View Full Version : Should SM3 be darker
Red X
10-25-2005, 12:33 PM
while i do enjoy the spidey films ( the first more than the second). I had hoped that SM2 might have gone darker. I know Spideys not a dark character , but for me at times (mostly in 2) its was bit too kiddish, i'm not saying the the movie should go from a PG13 to an R and, I know that the movies get most of their money from kids. But i'm hoping the story in 3 is darker and deeper, but still in tone to the previous movies.
thoughts?
Cmill216
10-25-2005, 12:54 PM
If you factor in the whole "Harry's gonna probably want revenge" factor, then yeah, it should, and probably will be, darker.
Threshold
10-25-2005, 01:17 PM
yeah, go darker
black_dust
10-25-2005, 01:20 PM
yup darker the better :)
Doctor Goblipus
10-25-2005, 01:43 PM
No, I think the tones great. Save the darkness for Batman.
TheSlag
10-25-2005, 01:48 PM
Brother vs. Brother. Peter and MJ together... til death do they part. Yep. Definitely will be darker... and should be too.
Some say SM2 was darker than SM1. I don't. While neither were particularly that dark, I think SM1 was much more moving... dramatic. SM2 concentrated on the love aspect of Peter and MJ too much. With that resolved (together), they can concentrate on more moving pieces in the storyline.
Spider-X
10-25-2005, 01:48 PM
If Venom is truely in this one...then i think this is a "no duh" situation...
Threshold
10-25-2005, 02:53 PM
No, I think the tones great. Save the darkness for Batman.
Spider-Man can be very dark. Unlike DC's Batman and Superman (which are their Dark and Light properties) Spider-Man can go both light and dark and still maintain the right tone.
Bicranial
10-25-2005, 03:48 PM
Spider-Man can be very dark. Unlike DC's Batman and Superman (which are their Dark and Light properties) Spider-Man can go both light and dark and still maintain the right tone.
Absolutely. I don't think it's a question of making the whole movie darker, just darker in the right places.
They should try concentraiting on making SM3 a decent film - once they hit that nail on the head, then yes, go darker.
Threshold
10-25-2005, 04:56 PM
http://netilium.org/~mad/dctf/dctf-1.wmv
Murder
10-25-2005, 04:59 PM
http://netilium.org/~mad/dctf/dctf-1.wmv And now for something completely different.......
spider-jide
10-25-2005, 05:06 PM
spider-man doesn't need to be darker or lighter or whatever, what it needs to be is faithful to the source material and not deviate from the core aesthetics, which now, will never happen.....at least not while Raimi is directing anyway.
Murder
10-25-2005, 05:27 PM
Have faith!!!
Darth Elektra
10-25-2005, 05:33 PM
No, I think the tones great. Save the darkness for Batman.
Spidy3 has harry wanting revenge and venom,so it should be darker,but yes leave the darkness to DD,Batman,and GR!
I thought Spider-Man 2 was fairly dark, and I loved it. The ending was the happiest part of the movie, and that's only because MJ dumped her fiance at the altar and went to Peter.
Granted, it would be fantastic to see something so dark in the vien of Torment or Kraven's Last Hunt on screen, but I doubt it will ever happen.
Kipobe
10-25-2005, 08:12 PM
Darker than the candy floss and sweet sugar pie with a side of bubble-gum ice-cream we've gotten so far? Yes, I think so. Not that it should exactly be "dark".... it should have dark moments... but where it's at right now is just ridiculous. The only way Spider-Man 2 can not be called a waste of a movie in such an intense trilogy is if Spider-Man 3 takes all the emotion that's been built and twists it in each and every scene.
There's no need to revisit Aunt May's backyard (so to speak...)
There's no need to see Pete fumble over his words with MJ...
There's no need to see them awkward anymore: "I do, but I don't..."
There's no need for them to NOT deal with the issues...
And for crying out loud, if he doesn't change his opening monologue to something much better, there'll be no more need for Sam Raimi's vision in the Spider-Man franchise.
Murder
10-25-2005, 08:34 PM
I don't see how Raimi could use Venom or Harry's Downfall to Gobby or both and it not be darker. These parts of the story, to me, have to be grim. Grim to the sound of pigs being slaughtered. The End
Spidey-Jason
10-25-2005, 09:53 PM
Spider-Man can be very dark. Unlike DC's Batman and Superman (which are their Dark and Light properties) Spider-Man can go both light and dark and still maintain the right tone.
Very well said! :spidey:
Go God Go!
10-25-2005, 11:11 PM
The thing about Spider-Man is, I think, the story can be as dark as you want it to be, as long as Spider-Man himself, is still rather light. I do hope SM3 is the darkest film. I don't want Spider-Man or Peter to turn into...Batman/Bruce Wayne, but the events around him, and the villains, etc. can be darker, and I hope they're darker.
Spidey-Sean
10-26-2005, 01:05 AM
The only dark parts I can think of in the first two films include doc ock's murdering the hospital workers and the goblin transformation in the lab. Otherwise the tone seemed more upbeat in the first, more dramatic in the second, which I liked. The question plauging me is, what kind of tone will the third have, with dark aspects or not?
blades_shades
10-26-2005, 03:04 AM
Yeah it should be darker since the symbiote is black...or if you believe the rumors a ugly dark purple. In either case it is darker. However sand isn't very dark except in the black sand beaches of Hawaii. Maybe Marvel will cast an African American as Volcanic Sand Man and then the movie will be even darker.
Batman1939
10-26-2005, 05:04 AM
Yes!
spider-jide
10-26-2005, 05:12 AM
Darker than the candy floss and sweet sugar pie with a side of bubble-gum ice-cream we've gotten so far? Yes, I think so. Not that it should exactly be "dark".... it should have dark moments... but where it's at right now is just ridiculous. The only way Spider-Man 2 can not be called a waste of a movie in such an intense trilogy is if Spider-Man 3 takes all the emotion that's been built and twists it in each and every scene.
There's no need to revisit Aunt May's backyard (so to speak...)
There's no need to see Pete fumble over his words with MJ...
There's no need to see them awkward anymore: "I do, but I don't..."
There's no need for them to NOT deal with the issues...
And for crying out loud, if he doesn't change his opening monologue to something much better, there'll be no more need for Sam Raimi's vision in the Spider-Man franchise.
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The Amazing Lee
10-26-2005, 05:45 AM
Of course it should be darker...but not too dark that it alienates it's existing audience. :up:
The_Guyver
10-26-2005, 06:01 AM
Yes, definitely darker. The climactic fight with GG in S-M 1 was gritty, and although the scraps with Doc Ock in S-M 2 were spectacular, none lived up to its predecessor.
spider-jide
10-26-2005, 07:02 AM
Yeah the end fight with dr octopus was a huge let down and could/should have been much better, even MJ finding out pete being spidey felt anti climatic.
terry78
10-26-2005, 11:38 AM
As mentioned, the movie can be dark, but leave Spider-Man as his happy go lucky self. In the comics, even when a bunch of crap is taking place around him he still finds time to crack a joke and annoy the hell out of his adversaries, even if it is only a defense mechanism.
Mara Jane
10-26-2005, 01:44 PM
The movie should have moments of darkness (like the hospital scene in SM2), but shouldn't be entirely dark. This will turn people off; Spidey is perceived by the public as a 'fun' and 'light' character (whcih is why stupid parents took their small children to see his PG-13 film when I was there).
SM2 was so depressing that it's hard to watch repeatedly. This new film should have threats and fear, more than SM2, but no constant depression. Spidey needs to be lighter and more carefree to balance those dark, fearful moments. I voted no because Spidey has been so unfunny in the past films, and it's time to step it up.
PeterPan
10-26-2005, 01:47 PM
yea the 3rd will be dark than the other 2...with maryjane dieing it in...that alone makes it darker than the other 2...
TheSlag
10-26-2005, 01:54 PM
yea the 3rd will be dark than the other 2...with maryjane dieing it in...that alone makes it darker than the other 2...
I dub thee Deep Throat... no, not an insult... an aside to the fact I hope you have inside info. ;) A man can hope... can he not?? :D
Silver Sable
10-26-2005, 06:49 PM
A little darker but not too much
I don't care what it is. If he isn't using one funny jokes as Spidey like he's supposed to be doing, I've officially lost faith. Three times the charm IMO though, he's got MJ and now he has more A REASON to be funny. So. No excuse this time. Sam is one of my fav directors, but he's let me down 2 times with an almost fake Spider-Man in my eyes....I voted "no" btw..lol..
TheSlag
10-27-2005, 01:37 AM
*wipes away a tear*... a darker Spider-Man movie. The thought alone touches me.. NOT THERE YA PERVS YA :mad: ;)
Runs outa thread singing... REDHEAD TO HEAVEN IN 2007!!!!
Smegger56
10-27-2005, 06:00 PM
I hink so... but it also needs to be funnier... and by funnier, i mean more Spiderman quips... alot more. Infact, more spidey, and more involvement from the villian.
It's just sad that after TWO movies we're STILL asking for 2 thing that are a bloody STAPLE of the Spidey comics - quips and villain involvement.
I weep for the franchise...for some odd reason, when Spidey 5 rolls around we'll still be on here screaming for these things.
Jason Martell
10-27-2005, 11:36 PM
I think that temproarily while spidey is wearing the black suit, the movie should take on a darker tone. During the time when spidey is losing his mind, and doesn't know what's going on.
god/devil
10-28-2005, 03:11 PM
It better be darker or else I won't be seeing it. No offence to anyone but the first two movies felt like they were made for nine year olds.
terry78
10-28-2005, 03:14 PM
Spider-Man was never intended to be an "adult" thing. He originally was for kids, but the themes over time became more mature, and anyone from 3 years old on up to age 100 are supposed to be able to relate to and enjoy it.
TheSlag
10-28-2005, 04:26 PM
Spider-Man was never intended to be an "adult" thing. He originally was for kids, but the themes over time became more mature, and anyone from 3 years old on up to age 100 are supposed to be able to relate to and enjoy it.
What comic were you reading growing up? With Peter's relationships playing just as important of a role in the comics as his webswinging, with Harry taking drugs, with all the personal problems Peter faced... it seemed they aimed for both young and old, and nailed it on both IMO.
Funny. Remember as a kid, skipping over some of the relationship "stuff" to get to the good stuff. Now... the relationship stuff means more than the action stuff to me. (full circle ;) )... NOT... that I don't enjoy the action stuff too... mind you. Just enjoy the character development more. And DO NOT confuse character development with the WB Puppy Love... ALL about ONE girl crap they're pushing on us.
It better be darker or else I won't be seeing it. No offence to anyone but the first two movies felt like they were made for nine year olds.
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god/devil
10-29-2005, 01:53 PM
Vile your Avator is so freaky. I hate that movie and not just for the bad acting.
Back on topic The reason I said the above statement about it being made for nine year olds was because of in my opinion the second film seemed unbalanced. One scene you would have a really deep emotion moment, then the next would be really childish and silly. Still a good movie though I just hope that the next one will be slightly more balanced and mature(not nessessarily darker)
Alexia Dark
10-29-2005, 02:59 PM
Only as dark as the comics can be, which is pretty damn dark sometimes. But if you always keep to the heart of the character, give him a few quips, and enough uplifting scenes with MJ (but not cheesy ones), it'll be fine. Just no more goofy-faced Peter making himself look like a complete idiot.
technics
10-29-2005, 03:27 PM
Only as dark as the comics can be, which is pretty damn dark sometimes. But if you always keep to the heart of the character, give him a few quips, and enough uplifting scenes with MJ (but not cheesy ones), it'll be fine. Just no more goofy-faced Peter making himself look like a complete idiot.
!!! :up: :up: :up: :up: !!!
Raniburger
10-30-2005, 03:33 AM
Here is a pic (that I looove by the way) submitted by Draw4U in the fan art thread:
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7113/venommovie7pf.jpg
As much as I absolutely love this picture, you can't tell me this monster could be in a Spider-Man movie without making the film a whole lot darker... This (to me at least) is the Venom that the fanboys & adult fans would like to see.
BUT, how could you honestly say that this sort of monster woudln't scare little kids? Whether or not they should be watching is another matter. But if history is anything to go by, we know that the studio is going to make a film that is accessible to as many people as possible. So as much as I would eventually love to see Venom in a SM movie, I can't help but feel that when we finally do see him, he'll be dumbed-down somewhat...
ps. Doesn't this picture go a looong way to making you realise how awesome Venom could really look on screen if done right?
Frenzy
10-30-2005, 06:07 PM
One thing I do hope is that, yes fair enough when Venom's first created he sticks to the shadows and creeps about in the dark but as the film moves on we should see him in broad daylight fights too. I think they will make history with the special effects if they can pull off a fully believable Venom in broad daylight fighting Spidey.
The big finale of the SM films has resorted to night. I'd like to see the big showdown in SM3 conducted in the middle of the brightest sunniest day ever with the whole city watching and the press there in choppers and maybe even the army on stand by.
It has to be big people, REALLY BIG this time. Something we've not yet seen.
My point is also that they may get away with the Venom pictured above if the scenes are shot in the daylight. It's scarier at night when you see somehting as horrific as that thing above. A lot of the Ultimate Game's story parts are in the day and Venom moves and jumps around so well in that. He looks awesome apart from being purple and not black. But hey, it still shows how good he could be.
Just a thought guys, just a thought.
Murder
10-30-2005, 06:19 PM
One thing I do hope is that, yes fair enough when Venom's first created he sticks to the shadows and creeps about in the dark but as the film moves on we should see him in broad daylight fights too. I think they will make history with the special effects if they can pull off a fully believable Venom in broad daylight fighting Spidey.
The big finale of the SM films has resorted to night. I'd like to see the big showdown in SM3 conducted in the middle of the brightest sunniest day ever with the whole city watching and the press there in choppers and maybe even the army on stand by.
It has to be big people, REALLY BIG this time. Something we've not yet seen.
My point is also that they may get away with the Venom pictured above if the scenes are shot in the daylight. It's scarier at night when you see somehting as horrific as that thing above. A lot of the Ultimate Game's story parts are in the day and Venom moves and jumps around so well in that. He looks awesome apart from being purple and not black. But hey, it still shows how good he could be.
Just a thought guys, just a thought.:up: :up:
Vile your Avator is so freaky.
We aim to please! :)
shinlyle
11-01-2005, 02:14 PM
Yes, it HAS to be darker.
Harry's descension into madness, drugs, etc, requires a dark story to illustrate the dark path he ends up on. Simple as that.
If Venom is included, then it definitely needs to be darker. Venom is an evil-looking character....and to make that all bright and happy is to enter the Schuelmacher-esque doom that enveloped the batman franchise. Eddie's descent into madness and desperation, along with Peter (potentially) slipping as the symbiote begins to take him over also requires some more "darkness".
Does this mean that the film can't still be positive? No. Does it mean that the film can't still be enjoyable for all ages? NO.
It just means that we're going to actually get into the characters' heads a little more than the last two films. That's all.
shinlyle
11-01-2005, 02:17 PM
Here is a pic (that I looove by the way) submitted by Draw4U in the fan art thread:
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7113/venommovie7pf.jpg
Even though it is a manip done of the movie version of Spawn, it still looks pretty damn cool... :up:
raybia
11-01-2005, 02:37 PM
I still cannot help but wonder what kind of series this would have been if James Cameron was able to direct it like he wanted to originally.
shinlyle
11-01-2005, 03:24 PM
I still cannot help but wonder what kind of series this would have been if James Cameron was able to direct it like he wanted to originally.
You mean the one that had Spdiey killing bad guys left and right and fighting a Kingpin/Electro hybrid?
I'll just relish in the fact that it never happened.
Bicranial
11-01-2005, 04:12 PM
Yeah, that was awful. I especially liked Pete's wet web dream. Ick.
Abaddon
11-01-2005, 04:22 PM
spider-man doesn't need to be darker or lighter or whatever, what it needs to be is faithful to the source material and not deviate from the core aesthetics, which now, will never happen.....at least not while Raimi is directing anyway.
I approve this post.:up:
LarryLegend
11-01-2005, 05:58 PM
You mean the one that had Spdiey killing bad guys left and right and fighting a Kingpin/Electro hybrid?
I'll just relish in the fact that it never happened.
me too.
Raniburger
11-02-2005, 03:00 AM
Is the Cameron script public property now? Is it available to read? If so, it would certainly be interesting to see an alternate take on the franchise...
The_Guyver
11-02-2005, 06:03 AM
Is the Cameron script public property now? Is it available to read? If so, it would certainly be interesting to see an alternate take on the franchise...
I read it from the following link, and it's still available, so I guess it is:
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/s/spider-man-scriptment.html
Red X
11-02-2005, 11:40 AM
"If" venom is indeed one of the villians, lets hope rami can bring in some of his old evil dead vison for 3.
Kmack
11-03-2005, 01:36 AM
Yes, I think it should get a bit darker, atmospherically and morally.
Galvatron
11-03-2005, 04:44 AM
I see SM-3 being in the tone of the first two movies.
Arcturus
11-03-2005, 05:01 AM
No keep the darkness for Spawn and whatnot.
Frenzy
11-03-2005, 06:22 PM
:up: :spidey: His villians should be bad ass and dark but the films - make them entertaining
Raniburger
11-04-2005, 06:39 AM
I read it from the following link, and it's still available, so I guess it is:
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/s/spider-man-scriptment.html
Thanks mate... :up:
Cinemaman
11-06-2005, 05:17 AM
It should be darker but not like "Darkman" or "Batman'89".
Casius--J
11-06-2005, 09:21 AM
Yeah i think it should have some dark elements but overall the character of spidey needs to be lighter and more funny. I want him to annoy the hell out of his adversaries!!
Venom4SM4
11-06-2005, 10:45 AM
i think instead of bein darker the costumes need to be alittle more intimidating.....i mean come on gg is a maniac whys he need a flight suit. Since harry is going mad before he even breathed in the permormance enhanching antidote oscorp made, maybe when he takes it he will be double insane and just wear the oldschool gg costume maybe look somethin like >http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/news_images/3135_8416_1.jpg (http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/news_images/3135_8416_1.jpg)
much cooler then a crappy flight suit and a expressionless mask......if it wasnt for defoes acting gg woulda been crap :confused: :( :(
Pablo Parker
11-06-2005, 12:33 PM
I still cannot help but wonder what kind of series this would have been if James Cameron was able to direct it like he wanted to originally.
what i wonder is what´d happened if David Fincher would´ve directed. It´s been said that he wanted to focus in the university years of Parker and have Gwen Stacy in the movie... :(
Yeah, I agree Peter really needs a tan.
I think they should NOT go darker, just a little less cheesy romance and that will balance it out better.
technics
11-14-2005, 07:32 PM
I kno this an ancient thread but I was just watching Primetime Headlines on Cnn and they were talking about how the Harry Potter films are getting darker with each sequel and I thought that should be the course that the Spiderman films should take. I kno alot of ppl think that Spiderman is not dark but I beg to differ....The constant struggle when PP goes thru stuggles with money and with his relationships between life as Spiderman, money, Aunt May, MJ for example is (IMO) a dark theme. If Harry Potter franchise can be dark and sell toys and appeal to adults why cant SP.
Asteroid-Man
11-14-2005, 07:37 PM
ad a bit of swearing and it'll be dark enough
Yeah how come there's no cussing in the Spidey films? I dont want the f bomb to be droped like a Kevin Smith film but come on, people do say a few cuss words here and there. Just have Spider-Man get knocked across the room, rubs his head and say "Damn". But I agree with technics, The kid audience is growing up and maturing with the Spidey films. Dont you think the Spidey films should mature and take a darker approach? And for God sakes give Spidey the quips!!!
I dont think 'Darker' is the word, but I believe that Raimi needs to stop treating us like 5 year olds. He all but holds your hand the entire way through the movie - Again, take Octopus for example. Why couldnt Octavius had been an arrogant prick before the accident...only to become an arrogant prick with the means to DO something about it AFTER the accident? Oh no, that can't happen! Because in Raimi-Spidey World there ARE no bad people! Look kids! Otto is a great guy! He's funny! He loves his wife! See? Watch him stare lovingly into her eyes! And his work! Oh his work! For the good of mankind! But his whole life isnt his work, oh no, he needs time to read poetry to his wife!...who, incase you missed it the first time he truely loves a lot. And he likes Peter! Otto is a great guy....uh...accident time! Look out Otto! Those nasty tentacles have TAKEN CONTROL of you! Aww..poor Otto! Boo to the Tentacles! Wait...Spidey can't save the day...because Dr Octopus will! Yay! He's won over them nasty tentacles! Save the day, Ock! Save it!
Asteroid-Man
11-15-2005, 04:40 PM
Like tobey Maguire is a good actor. They make his role two...soft. They need to make him exactly like the 2 video games after the animated series. SPIDERMAN & SPIDERMAN 2:ENTER ELECTRO He is SPIDEY in that one.
:spidey::spidey::spidey:
Abaddon
11-17-2005, 09:37 AM
I dont think 'Darker' is the word, but I believe that Raimi needs to stop treating us like 5 year olds. He all but holds your hand the entire way through the movie - Again, take Octopus for example. Why couldnt Octavius had been an arrogant prick before the accident...only to become an arrogant prick with the means to DO something about it AFTER the accident? Oh no, that can't happen! Because in Raimi-Spidey World there ARE no bad people! Look kids! Otto is a great guy! He's funny! He loves his wife! See? Watch him stare lovingly into her eyes! And his work! Oh his work! For the good of mankind! But his whole life isnt his work, oh no, he needs time to read poetry to his wife!...who, incase you missed it the first time he truely loves a lot. And he likes Peter! Otto is a great guy....uh...accident time! Look out Otto! Those nasty tentacles have TAKEN CONTROL of you! Aww..poor Otto! Boo to the Tentacles! Wait...Spidey can't save the day...because Dr Octopus will! Yay! He's won over them nasty tentacles! Save the day, Ock! Save it!
Hahahha I love this post.:up:
the Firestarter
11-23-2005, 12:56 AM
darker definitely.
spyderman2k4
11-23-2005, 02:15 PM
I love Spider-Man, and I love the movies... but as nearly everyone else has said, many moments were way too childish. I wouldn't want it to be as dark as Batman... but sometimes it's just too cheesy.
Retroman
11-23-2005, 02:32 PM
If Venom ánd Goblin 2 are in i expect it to be darker than the first two.
Red X
04-16-2006, 01:48 PM
bumpy
Princess Jade
04-16-2006, 11:42 PM
I think they should have shown more of Harry's decent into drug adiction and madness... A few too many drinks and a hissy fit doesn't cut it :S
Cmill216
04-17-2006, 12:04 AM
I think they should have shown more of Harry's decent into drug adiction and madness...
:confused: And who's to say we won't see any of that in SM3? I mean, this IS the one where he is likely to go truly mad.
TheCardPlayer
04-17-2006, 12:27 AM
I just hope Venom isn't Eddie under the symbiote's control.
Cause that'd be freaking redundant and useless.
theoneandonly
04-17-2006, 05:29 AM
i think this one will be much darker especially looking at the teaser poster
like especially with harry wanting revenge and now he knows how to get it
Spiderpig
04-17-2006, 07:09 AM
I'd love to see a darker movie but Sony will never do it, particularly with a comic book franchise. It would probably halve their audience (and BO figures).
theoneandonly
04-17-2006, 08:43 AM
yeah i see what you mean
eXperiment
04-17-2006, 10:38 AM
Yes, go darker.
Cmill216
04-17-2006, 11:03 AM
Well if Banks is true, and the theme of the movie is "The dark side of power/ the power a superhero has, and how they use it", then the answer is right there.
SpiderB
04-17-2006, 11:04 AM
I dont think 'Darker' is the word, but I believe that Raimi needs to stop treating us like 5 year olds. He all but holds your hand the entire way through the movie - Again, take Octopus for example. Why couldnt Octavius had been an arrogant prick before the accident...only to become an arrogant prick with the means to DO something about it AFTER the accident? Oh no, that can't happen! Because in Raimi-Spidey World there ARE no bad people! Look kids! Otto is a great guy! He's funny! He loves his wife! See? Watch him stare lovingly into her eyes! And his work! Oh his work! For the good of mankind! But his whole life isnt his work, oh no, he needs time to read poetry to his wife!...who, incase you missed it the first time he truely loves a lot. And he likes Peter! Otto is a great guy....uh...accident time! Look out Otto! Those nasty tentacles have TAKEN CONTROL of you! Aww..poor Otto! Boo to the Tentacles! Wait...Spidey can't save the day...because Dr Octopus will! Yay! He's won over them nasty tentacles! Save the day, Ock! Save it!
While I do think the films should be more mature, giving the villains more than one emotion is actually a step towards that. I agree that making the tentacles "control" Ock was a very poor choice (I would have liked to have seen him turn criminal on his own, and what happens to him in the film would have given him plenty of motivation to do so). But making him a good person in the beginning made his character much more interesting to me. Movie characters must have arcs within the film in order to be realistic. Nobody in the world is evil all the way to the bone, even "bad" people are emotionally vulnerable at times. Totally bad characters are one dimensional on film. And to be fair, Otto was a bit arrogant in the film. One of the first things he says to Peter is (to paraphrase) "Your professor tells me you're lazy. Brilliance isn't enough, young man" followed later by "Peter, what have we been talking about for the last hour and a half?" when Peter questions him. So he was still kind of a jerk, but just a more realistic one.
Amm-arD
04-17-2006, 11:11 AM
would love a darker one..but then again its all about making money..so it probably wont be, but with what is supposedly going to happen in SM3 it might just be!
theoneandonly
04-17-2006, 11:11 AM
While I do think the films should be more mature, giving the villains more than one emotion is actually a step towards that. I agree that making the tentacles "control" Ock was a very poor choice (I would have liked to have seen him turn criminal on his own, and what happens to him in the film would have given him plenty of motivation to do so). But making him a good person in the beginning made his character much more interesting to me. Movie characters must have arcs within the film in order to be realistic. Nobody in the world is evil all the way to the bone, even "bad" people are emotionally vulnerable at times. Totally bad characters are one dimensional on film. And to be fair, Otto was a bit arrogant in the film. One of the first things he says to Peter is (to paraphrase) "Your professor tells me you're lazy. Brilliance isn't enough, young man" followed later by "Peter, what have we been talking about for the last hour and a half?" when Peter questions him. So he was still kind of a jerk, but just a more realistic one.
yeah i see what you mean like otto didnt want to be evil he loved his wife and he liked his job
but i also think he went a bit mad after his wife got killed
Jubba
04-17-2006, 11:21 AM
they can go darker and not lose their audience
harry potter goes darker with each film they make and i think they keep making more and more money each time...at least they're not really losing too many people other than the very young ones, maybe
i think sony can go darker, but it's not like we'll see venom chowing down on MJs guts or anything that "dark"
theoneandonly
04-17-2006, 11:32 AM
"chowing down" good way to put it
can you imagine it would be surprising if spidey dies in the end of this film
sag002
04-17-2006, 11:37 AM
If Venom's in it, definitely darker.
Jubba
04-17-2006, 11:46 AM
"chowing down" good way to put it
can you imagine it would be surprising if spidey dies in the end of this film
it sure would be surprising, but not likely...and people would be maaaad
MAYBE spiderman can die but the symbiote brings him back to life if the symbiote suit is in this one..then MJ has a problem with him having suit that has that kind of power (this would work if the suit is a medical device like in Ultimate Spiderman...
they could have him dead if they do an empire strikes back type ending and have the suit appear from his pores and maybe we see a finger twitch or his eyes open, all white and creepy as the movie ends
or maybe Reed Richards can bring him back to life like he did in Secret Wars II with the help of superpowered Dr. Doom, haha....oh comics....
Kabuki_Jo
04-17-2006, 01:14 PM
go darker, yes.
we hope.
PoisonToYou8351
04-17-2006, 02:31 PM
yes because if spiderman gets the symbiote on him and he almost kils someone then its a lot darker than the other two movies.
Spencer9
04-17-2006, 03:54 PM
If Venom and GG2 are there, which looks like they are.. I think Venom will just make it darker by being there. Green Goblin 2 makes it darker because it is friend vs friend, brother vs brother
theoneandonly
04-17-2006, 04:28 PM
yeah this 1 will be dark what with all the death and harry wanting revenge
SpyderDan
04-17-2006, 07:38 PM
Judging from the teaser art so far, it looks like it's definitely going to be darker. :up:
Crimson Dynamo
04-17-2006, 08:09 PM
I hope it doesn't get too dark. Otherwise I may have to bring a flashlight.
Dcknight
04-17-2006, 11:48 PM
I hope it doesn't get too dark. Otherwise I may have to bring a flashlight.
you know you have a talent for humor, why don't you become an humorist!! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif :P
Crimson Dynamo
04-18-2006, 12:37 AM
you know you have a talent for humor, why don't you become an humorist!! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif :P
Thank you. I'm often told that I should be a comedian. Well, that or a porn star.
PWN3R
04-18-2006, 12:44 AM
The thing about Spider-Man is, I think, the story can be as dark as you want it to be, as long as Spider-Man himself, is still rather light. I do hope SM3 is the darkest film. I don't want Spider-Man or Peter to turn into...Batman/Bruce Wayne, but the events around him, and the villains, etc. can be darker, and I hope they're darker.
I totally agree. :up:
Amm-arD
04-18-2006, 03:55 AM
yeah, as long as Spidey is the good old same
theoneandonly
04-18-2006, 07:39 AM
Thank you. I'm often told that I should be a comedian. Well, that or a porn star.
porn star aye haha
i would expect if someone close to him would die spiderman would go dark
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