Reckoning Discussion Thread (100th episode, Spoilers)

[thechubbysaint]

Actually, most states don't have a succession law for most elected officials (excluding the governor/vice gov thing). Therefore, the Ks Gov would have to appoint someone to fill the vacancy until a new election could be held or until the next general election. Again, depends on the state. But I believe the Gov could certainly appoint Martha and as a plot device (especially with Lionel around) it could be of interest. Or not...


It may not be the case because he wasn't sworn in and it takes a few days for the election to be certified. A death may just be equal to a concession, but I'm sure each state has something set up for such ocassions.

[Kane]

After seeing this crap, SUPERMAN RETUNRS doesn't sound as bad as before .

Alrite Im really scared....:(

So many Smallville fans disapointed with the episode......thats not a good sign for me. :down

Hopefully I'll get to see it tommorow *fingers crossed*

:( Im sure Jonathan's death cut like a knife..... and Lana surviving?:confused:

That sounds even more painful.

[Anguissette1979]

That *would* be interesting... what if Lex gets to be senator after all?

[user123456789]

I did it in reverse for my grandmother. The viewing just disturbs me and gives me an unpleasent last memory. Something about the lowering into the ground and the finality of the moment really kills me.

yea... the lowering into the ground really hurt me emotionally. i also did the 'handful of dirt drop' thing.

worst day of my life

[Kaboom]

Alrite Im really scared....:(

So many Smallville fans disapointed with the episode......thats not a good sign for me. :down

Hopefully I'll get to see it tommorow *fingers crossed*

:( Im sure Jonathan's death cut like a knife..... and Lana surviving?:confused:

That sounds even more painful.

it sonds liek we all knew this was how it was gonna end up, just not as dumb and that lana would finally know.

[Michael Corleone]

Actually, most states don't have a succession law for most elected officials (excluding the governor/vice gov thing). Therefore, the Ks Gov would have to appoint someone to fill the vacancy until a new election could be held or until the next general election. Again, depends on the state. But I believe the Gov could certainly appoint Martha and as a plot device (especially with Lionel around) it could be of interest. Or not...


Agreed. I checked but there doesnt seem to be much on the subject outside of emergency succession. Dealing only with current senators. But I think you're right on this one. I think Martha should take the seat. It would add a nice subplot especially for her.

[Threshold]

From what I've heard the whole crystal time travel thing sounds kinda weak. Would it have been better had he found the strength to fly and do the reverse the world thing instead?

[Triligors]

I don't see Clark and Lana trying to get back together. Clark would want to, but he would be scared of the possibilities. He's been there, he's seen it. He doesn't want it to happen. Meaning he will never risk it. Up to this point it's always been a question- will Lana accept him? Now he knows the answer. But, now that he does he also knows what would happen as a consequence. I don't see their relationship becoming anything more than friends. So, that with Jonathon's death is a major change.

[JAX]

Alrite Im really scared....:(

So many Smallville fans disapointed with the episode......thats not a good sign for me. :down

I for one am. I wouldnt be surprised if fans write to WB to get Jk back on the show.

[AgentPat]

After seeing this crap, SUPERMAN RETURNS doesn't sound as bad as before .:eek: Whoa! Hang on there chief. I wouldn't go THAT far! :p

The surprise to me was that there was no twist at the end. We heard JK was going to die and he did. Guess STM is mostly canon after all in a parallel universe kind of way. Having said that, I must confess that as much as I think Clark still needs JK, I wasn't moved to tears at the end. Kind of felt cheated emotionally that Clark didn't take JK to the FOS as in the released stills. I think it would have been a good dramatic counterpoint to the plea to Jor-El for Lana.

I did however cry like a baby when he flew.:O

Oh yes, one other little thing.

I've never seen Tom Welling look more like Superman...Ditto to this post, in its entirety!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[user123456789]

From what I've heard the whole crystal time travel thing sounds kinda weak. Would it have been better had he found the strength to fly and do the reverse the world thing instead?

that would be a good Poll question,lol.

[Anguissette1979]

I don't see Clark and Lana trying to get back together. Clark would want to, but he would be scared of the possibilities. He's been there, he's seen it. He doesn't want it to happen. Meaning he will never risk it. Up to this point it's always been a question- will Lana accept him? Now he knows the answer. But, now that he does he also knows what would happen as a consequence. I don't see their relationship becoming anything more than friends. So, that with Jonathon's death is a major change.

This is interesting because it makes Clark and Lex the same in some ways. They both got a glimpse of their futures with Lana and she dies. They both made the choice to not be with her rather than see her die.

[Serene]

Rollercoaster, indeed.

*sigh*

All of you *****ing and moaning about Lana still being alive can just bite me, btw.
I'm glad Clark did what he did to save her. Did you not SEE the beginning? This is the woman he loves enough to want to MARRY.. doing whatever he could to bring her back makes perfect sense! He made a choice that is no less than what I would expect of him. So, I'm glad she's still alive.

I'm so incredibly sad and disappointed that she's back in the dark though. That was a copout. Big time. My son called me from school to say that he loved the episode, but he's also ticked off about Lana not knowing AGAIN. I knew they'd do this. :( Still.. I was hoping it wouldn't happen. So, I assume that they are going to have to do *another* reveal to Lana, at some point, probably near the end of the series.

Jonathan's passing was an inevitable thing. They've been building up to his demise for an awful long time. My heart broke for Martha, but her strength in accepting what happened was a good lesson for all. The final "looks" Jonathan gave to Clark and Martha were just so damn sad...

And whoever it was that said this.... I don't think he "ignored" Lana's hand at the funeral. It was a simple show of support from her to him. He was burying his father, I wouldn't expect anything more from him than exactly what he did, just accept the hand.

Lex.. poor woobie. Yeah, my heart breaks for him too. Lionel is back to showing his true colors. As if his emotionally abusive upbringing of Lex (which has HUGE ramifications that we're all aware of) wasn't enough.. I can't believe he was sniffing around Martha at her HUSBAND'S FUNERAL!

The picture.. has to be something that could expose Clark.

I thought the symbolism at the end of everyone leaving, and Clark standing there, alone, amidst the snowfall and with that wrenching music in the background, was just beautiful.

Squatlow nailed it.. Clark has never looked so Supermanly.

Despite my being devastated that they took away Lana's knowledge of Clark, I still have to say that I did love this episode. I cried, not sobbed.. but definitely cried several times. Sometimes from happiness, but sometimes not.

[Kane]

I for one am. I wouldnt be surprised if fans write to WB to get Jk back on the show.

Naw that would cheapen whatever his death was like here.

Its okay

[Spaceballs]

Naw that would cheapen

This ENTIRE Episode was practically cheapened :(:down:down

[Kaboom]

This is interesting because it makes Clark and Lex the same in some ways. They both got a glimpse of their futures with Lana and she dies. They both made the choice to not be with her rather than see her die.
i f lana dies in everyones future why not just cut to the chase and kill her off now?

[user123456789]

I don't see Clark and Lana trying to get back together. Clark would want to, but he would be scared of the possibilities. He's been there, he's seen it. He doesn't want it to happen. Meaning he will never risk it. Up to this point it's always been a question- will Lana accept him? Now he knows the answer. But, now that he does he also knows what would happen as a consequence. I don't see their relationship becoming anything more than friends. So, that with Jonathon's death is a major change.

in my own perfect little smallville world, we would fast forward to the series finale

lana would see a red & blue streak in the sky...

"go get em clark"

[JAX]

Naw that would cheapen whatever his death was like here.

Its okay

I'm not pissed that the character died. I'm just saying that the 2nd half had so much potential. If Chloe (Chloe fans dont take this the wrong way cause I love her character) would have been in place of Lana and they continued the show with no time crystal..that would have beefed up the rivalry with Lex and Clark and had a huge impact on the show. Now thats a surprise. and i dont use the term loosley that the writers did explaing the show.

[Spaceballs]

in my own perfect little smallville world, we would fast forward to the series finale

lana would see a red & blue streak in the sky...

"go get em clark"

I wonder what the Show Creators must think when they find out the die hard fans reactions. I seriously was NOT expecting just about EVERYONE to be so ticked. This is Smallvilles darkest hour :(

[Kane]

This ENTIRE Episode was practicallly cheapened :(:down:down

You guys expected to much.... Smallville is famous for pulling these kind of resets...

Its the only reason it doesnt upset me as much.

[Anguissette1979]

i f lana dies in everyones future why not just cut to the chase and kill her off now?

I'm down with that ;)

<--- NOT a Lana fan.

[Assassin]

worst episode ever

[Spaceballs]

You guys expected to much.... Smallville is famous for pulling these kind of resets


No I KNEW what was going to happenn. But as I said before they had ALOT OF GREAT set ups for "Alternate" Events aside from just Jonathan & it would have been SO MUCH BETTER to have Lionel die along with Jonathan in that Scene & like Pat brought up Clark could have gotten a start at the Daily Planet in this Episode with what 5 Seconds if Dialogue ? This Episode MISSED so many opportunities even OUTSIDE of what WE knew. This Episode had HUGE potential even with alot of stuff we DID NOT KNOW

[snowangel061989]

worst episode ever

I agree, kinda makes me not want to watch smallville anymore.

[jas01724]

I have a nagging feeling that they cut a lot out of this to make the timeslot ... and that a lot was lost in translation. It was planned, and even filmed to fit a 90-minute slot if they could have swung it.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I don't see Clark and Lana trying to get back together. Clark would want to, but he would be scared of the possibilities. He's been there, he's seen it. He doesn't want it to happen. Meaning he will never risk it. Up to this point it's always been a question- will Lana accept him? Now he knows the answer. But, now that he does he also knows what would happen as a consequence. I don't see their relationship becoming anything more than friends. So, that with Jonathon's death is a major change.

I think this is just justification on the writers' part to get some drama. Clark could tell Lana. Yes, she'd be in danger. CHLOE knows, and she's in potential danger ALL THE TIME. Why is Lana different? Because they're dating? That's BS - if people are watching her "every move," they're watching everyone's every move...the Kents, Chloe, Lana, Lois, ALL of the people around him. If one is in danger, they're ALL in danger.

Lana knowing doesn't automatically mean death. It just means she knows. She could just as easily get into a car wreck without knowing...and Clark would still find some way to blame himself.

[Kaboom]

I'm down with that ;)

<--- NOT a Lana fan.

havent seen you in these parts before but i'm glad that we agree.

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[Spaceballs]

I think I am going to try Editing this Episode to the way it was SUPPOSED to have been

[Kaboom]

I think this is just justification on the writers' part to get some drama. Clark could tell Lana. Yes, she'd be in danger. CHLOE knows, and she's in potential danger ALL THE TIME. Why is Lana different? Because they're dating? That's BS - if people are watching her "every move," they're watching everyone's every move...the Kents, Chloe, Lana, Lois, ALL of the people around him. If one is in danger, they're ALL in danger.

Lana knowing doesn't automatically mean death. It just means she knows. She could just as easily get into a car wreck without knowing...and Clark would still find some way to blame himself.

YOU ARE SO RIGHT. chloe and pete know and they're alive and kicking. the only thing lana not knowing means is no sex...and thats just dumb.

[The Incredible Hulk]

oh boy, I see we're back to the whining play by play for episodes now. How exactly do you pay attention to a show while you're typing a message every 5 seconds? Spaceballs (aka MvTrlrsc) and Kal-El 8 how many times can each of you make the same post? You disliked the episode, we get it.

Some thoughts:

1.) For everyone complaining about knowing what happened ahead of time, I dont know what to tell you? Dont go online and read every spoiler made available beforehand, that sort of kills the novelty of it all. If you're on this board everyday, you really have no room to complain. None of what happened tonight surprised me? Why? Because I'm a spoiler-whore but I derive enjoyment none the less.

2.) If you thought Lana was actually going to die, you must be new to the show. As has been said already, theyre not killing off their female lead, especially if they have at minimum another season and a half left to go. Everyone who's cried about them taking liberties with the "canon" should be thankful for that.

3.) Lana didnt KILL Jonathan. C'mon now, did you guys really type that with a straight face? I guess I could understand if you said that Clark "killed" Jonathan by the time reversal, but how the hell would Lana be responsible for it?

4.) It wasnt "time travel" it was more like a "Restart". If it was time travel, Clark wouldve gone back and seen himself doing what he did previously. Sort of like in "Back to the Future".

5.) Jonathan dying is actually a good thing. It's going to have a more profound effect on Clark, and the show will get a lot more into that as this season goes on, as we see next week. It also forces him to become "the man" at home. I've always liked that about pre-crisis. Anyone who says Pre-crisis "sucked", probably hasnt read anything from pre 1986 and doesnt realize how much the comics have started going back to concepts from that time period recently.

6.) I agree Squatlow, Welling did look supremely Supermna-ly in those last few scenes. The scene of him at the grave with the Angel over his shoulder was how a SUperman should look. It's amazing how he doesnt even need the costume for that.

7.)Overall it was a solid episode. Not the best one of the series, but I think the key is how it changes things from here on out. How will Clark's behavior change from here on out? Thats something thats only going to be judged after numerous episodes have passed. This is the "causal" factor, let's see what kinmd of effect we get.

[JAX]

I think I am going to try Editing this Episode to the way it was SUPPOSED to have been

you mean GOOD. It should have been the episode of the series...but somebody had to put their little twist that made the 2nd half crap. Even SWEET didnt like the episode.

[Kane]

I agree, kinda makes me not want to watch smallville anymore.

Holy.....


Well even if the episode sucked, the fan reactions are entertainment enough for me :D

[Anguissette1979]

havent seen you in these parts before but i'm glad that we agree.

CHECK OUT MY NEW SIGNATURE.

I'm from the Batman Begins boards. ;) I post occasionally here since we're waiting for the BB sequel.

[Zing79]

This episode was structured perfectly -- very sixth sense. Things happened in the first half hour that seemed so inconsequential and ‘cheap’ but later made MUCH more sense. I think this was more self hype killing things for people then anything else. You were NOT supposed to know Jonathan was going to bite it. Everything that was officially released made you believe it was Lana. Come at it from that perspective and the last half an hour would have been shocking (to say the least). You would have seen Clark trying to play God (despite Jor-El warning him the universe would make him pay a price for it), and watching as his assuredness on how to ‘solve’ the original problem actually caused a whole new set of problems.

Think about it – he tells Lana and Lana is there to help Lois (that scene with her almost falling which looked like crappy foreshadowing makes sense later). Lana gets hit by that car, and Jonathan doesn’t make it home to meet Lionel (Jonathan being there out of nowhere later makes much more sense). If he’s not off taking Lois to a hospital, he’s home MUCH earlier, and is there before Jonathan even talks to Lionel.

If you didn’t know who really died, you would have seen a man with unbelievable powers trying to play God, and watching him learn the worst way possible, that he’s sure as hell not that.

[snowangel061989]

Holy.....


Well even if the episode sucked, the fan reactions are entertainment enough for me :D


i know, it is cool to see how we all think alike.

[Kane]

I'm from the Batman Begins boards. ;) I post occasionally here since we're waiting for the BB sequel.

2008 :D But its okay, I think were getting 2 sequels back to back...and probably another Superman movie following that :D :up:

[musclesforsupes]

Well

I have to say I really thought the episode was pretty good.

1. I loved the part where chloe says what did you do clark turn the world on its axis, which is just like STM
2. I kinda liked the time travel experience
3. I like the flight that lana and clark did in the fortress, however it seemed more of a superjump.

What I didnt like was the start of the episode it seemed to just jump right to the fortress no lead in or nothing. I also didnt like the "new crystal" I still love the look of the fortress its really donner like. I also didnt like the fight with lionel, what the heck was in the picture anyway? Probably another spy pic of clark using his powers. Finally I didnt think they really honored pa that well, I did like the classic STM outfit he wore, like when Pa died in STM. However they could have honored him better with a longer sequence. Makes you wonder if Pa will come back in any vision or anything, or is he dead as dead. Finally I have to say Tom is really molding into this role well, especially then ending with him by the angel, and the side view, if you wanna know why I wish he would have been in SR then look at the scene a few times. Overall a solid B+ for the episode.

[Kane]

i know, it is cool to see how we all think alike.

Which is a first...Im impressed.

[supes_el]

All of you are idiots. This episode was awesome and did you really expect them to kill off Lana? Not only would it have completely made everything before it pointless (and when I say that I mean the Lexana stuff and Clark revealing his secret to her and then proposing), but it would have turned away a lot of the general public b/c she is afterall the female lead. As soon as she died only halfway thru I knew there was a catch...and I was glad. The way they set things up will make future conflicts even better b/c of the whole Clark/Lex/Lana dynamic. Plus all this really made us feel for Clark b/c he basically held back from doing the one thing he's dreamed about doing for yrs in order to save Lana.

BTW why is everyone so pissed at her? Because she broke up with him? Please...it was completely understandable if you look at it from her angle. We are supposed to sympathize with the BOTH of them. Get with the program and interpret the events how theyre meant to be. Plus we all didn't want the blame to be placed on Jor-El b/c then how could Clark EVER learn to trust and love him. If it was Lana that died Clark would have hated Jor-El forever. But because it was Jonathan due to natural causes it will teach him some very valuable lessons. Maybe yall just had your expectations too high and let your biases against Lana blind you from realizing the what was the right way to go. Sure Lana's death was a ****tease but a necessary one and one that gave Clark a diffucult decision to make.

I mean seriously, the writers basically came out and told us Lana and Lex would get together by seasons end so I never really thought they would completely cut that subplot short by killing her. It would have been pretty cliche anyway since it seems all comic-book hero love interests die these days. There is one thing I didnt like and it was how they cut to commercial breaks during the two death scenes. I know they do that for suspense but it totally took me out of the emotional moment.

BEST POST EVER...REALLY I MEAN IT!

oh boy, I see we're back to the whining play by play for episodes now. How exactly do you pay attention to a show while you're typing a message every 5 seconds? Spaceballs (aka MvTrlrsc) and Kal-El 8 how many times can each of you make the same post? You disliked the episode, we get it.

Some thoughts:

1.) For everyone complaining about knowing what happened ahead of time, I dont know what to tell you? Dont go online and read every spoiler made available beforehand, that sort of kills the novelty of it all. If you're on this board everyday, you really have no room to complain. None of what happened tonight surprised me? Why? Because I'm a spoiler-whore but I derive enjoyment none the less.

2.) If you thought Lana was actually going to die, you must be new to the show. As has been said already, theyre not killing off their female lead, especially if they have at minimum another season and a half left to go. Everyone who's cried about them taking liberties with the "canon" should be thankful for that.

3.) Lana didnt KILL Jonathan. C'mon now, did you guys really type that with a straight face? I guess I could understand if you said that Clark "killed" Jonathan by the time reversal, but how the hell would Lana be responsible for it?

4.) It wasnt "time travel" it was more like a "Restart". If it was time travel, Clark wouldve gone back and seen himself doing what he did previously. Sort of like in "Back to the Future".

5.) Jonathan dying is actually a good thing. It's going to have a more profound effect on Clark, and the show will get a lot more into that as this season goes on, as we see next week. It also forces him to become "the man" at home. I've always liked that about pre-crisis. Anyone who says Pre-crisis "sucked", probably hasnt read anything from pre 1986 and doesnt realize how much the comics have started going back to concepts from that time period recently.

6.) I agree Squatlow, Welling did look supremely Supermna-ly in those last few scenes. The scene of him at the grave with the Angel over his shoulder was how a SUperman should look. It's amazing how he doesnt even need the costume for that.

7.)Overall it was a solid episode. Not the best one of the series, but I think the key is how it changes things from here on out. How will Clark's behavior change from here on out? Thats something thats only going to be judged after numerous episodes have passed. This is the "causal" factor, let's see what kinmd of effect we get.

couldnt have said it better myself... im humbled to be on your screen

[Squatlow]

Well, lots of angst in "The Adventures of Smallville Forum" tonight, so (because I'm old and need my beauty rest), I believe I'll pack it in for now.

Might be a good thing to sleep on the episode anyway; lots of things to consider.

Besides, tomorrow night is SciFi Friday.

But of course, all of you knew that, didn't you...

TTFN

[Kaboom]

oh boy, I see we're back to the whining play by play for episodes now. How exactly do you pay attention to a show while you're typing a message every 5 seconds? Spaceballs (aka MvTrlrsc) and Kal-El 8 how many times can each of you make the same post? You disliked the episode, we get it.

Some thoughts:

1.) For everyone complaining about knowing what happened ahead of time, I dont know what to tell you? Dont go online and read every spoiler made available beforehand, that sort of kills the novelty of it all. If you're on this board everyday, you really have no room to complain. None of what happened tonight surprised me? Why? Because I'm a spoiler-whore but I derive enjoyment none the less.

2.) If you thought Lana was actually going to die, you must be new to the show. As has been said already, theyre not killing off their female lead, especially if they have at minimum another season and a half left to go. Everyone who's cried about them taking liberties with the "canon" should be thankful for that.

3.) Lana didnt KILL Jonathan. C'mon now, did you guys really type that with a straight face? I guess I could understand if you said that Clark "killed" Jonathan by the time reversal, but how the hell would Lana be responsible for it?

4.) It wasnt "time travel" it was more like a "Restart". If it was time travel, Clark wouldve gone back and seen himself doing what he did previously. Sort of like in "Back to the Future".

5.) Jonathan dying is actually a good thing. It's going to have a more profound effect on Clark, and the show will get a lot more into that as this season goes on, as we see next week. It also forces him to become "the man" at home. I've always liked that about pre-crisis. Anyone who says Pre-crisis "sucked", probably hasnt read anything from pre 1986 and doesnt realize how much the comics have started going back to concepts from that time period recently.

6.) I agree Squatlow, Welling did look supremely Supermna-ly in those last few scenes. The scene of him at the grave with the Angel over his shoulder was how a SUperman should look. It's amazing how he doesnt even need the costume for that.

7.)Overall it was a solid episode. Not the best one of the series, but I think the key is how it changes things from here on out. How will Clark's behavior change from here on out? Thats something thats only going to be judged after numerous episodes have passed. This is the "causal" factor, let's see what kinmd of effect we get.

hulk...its NOT naivete...just venting....itsa good thing...everyone say it with me....WOOOO-SAAAH

[Assassin]

Changed my sig too

[Michael Corleone]

It was nice that they had jk die the same way he did in the movie. Dying in front of the barn.

[Anguissette1979]

2008 :D But its okay, I think were getting 2 sequels back to back...and probably another Superman movie following that :D :up:

SO sweet but until the BB boards pick back up I'm here every week.

[Spaceballs]

So lets see we got Lex who gets shot every other Episode & Lana who survives things People would never normally survive. Those 2 will make the Perfect Couple. Maybe Lana will start getting shot at 2 when she gets with Lex :up:

[AgentPat]

No I KNEW what was going to happenn. But as I said before they had ALOT OF GREAT set ups for "Alternate" Events aside from just Jonathan & it would have been SO MUCH BETTER to have Lionel die along with Jonathan in that Scene & like Pat brought up Clark could have gotten a start at the Daily Planet in this Episode with what 5 Seconds if Dialogue ? This Episode MISSED so many opportunities even OUTSIDE of what WE knewExactly.

I KNEW Clark would propose to Lana. I KNEW she would accept. I KNEW Jonathan was the one that was going to die. I KNEW Lana would die, but not STAY dead. I KNEW all this stuff. It's ALL good! I just was EXPECTING the writers to DO something with all those events LOL. The time travel stuff - which WAS speculated but not "confirmed," didn't bother me. Jonathan dying and Lana surviving didn't bother me. Like I said, it's ALL good! There just wasn't any payoff in the end! There was no fancy twist everybody kept talking about. In fact, it was all pretty cut and dried. The dialog seemed rushed in certain scenes too, most notably the FOS scenes in the beginning. I EXPECTED Clark's reveal to be so much more powerful. Flight and coal crushing aside, the dialog between Clark and Chloe in the Yukon hospital in Arrival was SO much better. Mack really delivered the perfect "amazed" reaction. Kreuk was just like, "Okay. You're an alien. And?" LOL

I'll watch it again tomorrow morning during my workout. Maybe I'll catch some things I missed that might change my overall opinion. I dunno. :(

[Unleashed]

only sad thing about this episode is that Lana is still breathing
:up:

[musclesforsupes]

So what was that pic? that was on the barn floor?

[JAX]

Exactly.

I KNEW Clark would propose to Lana. I KNEW she would accept. I KNEW Jonathan was the one that was going to die. I KNEW Lana would die, but not STAY dead. I KNEW all this stuff. It's ALL good! I just was EXPECTING the writers to DO something with all those events LOL. The time travel stuff - which WAS speculated but not "confirmed," didn't bother me. Jonathan dying and Lana surviving didn't bother me. Like I said, it's ALL good! There just wasn't any payoff in the end! There was no fancy twist everybody kept talking about. In fact, it was all pretty cut and dried. The dialog seemed rushed in certain scenes too, most notably the FOS scenes in the beginning. I EXPECTED Clark's reveal to be so much more powerful. Flight and coal crushing aside, the dialog between Clark and Chloe in the Yukon hospital in Arrival was SO much better. Mack really delivered the perfect "amazed" reaction. Kreuk was just like, "Okay. You're an alien. And?" LOL

I'll watch it again tomorrow morning during my workout. Maybe I'll catch some things I missed that might change my overall opinion. I dunno. :(

Exactly, well said Spaceballs and Agent (as always) lets see what triplit and avid think

[Kaboom]

Changed my sig too

yea assassin! one person is a voice! two is a trend!

[Spaceballs]

I guess we will have some Deleted Scenes on the Season 5 DVD for this Episode with when Clark takes Jonathan to the Fortress etc

[Michael Corleone]

Hulk: While I agree with most of your points I think some folks on here are more upset with Lana not knowing. I can't speak for everyone but thats really what bugs me. Everything else was OK, but the tap dance they did around Lana is something they would have done in season 2. Not now. It's time to progress the story a bit further. But I feel we are reset to almost the end of season 2 or midway thru 3.

[galmorzu]

I just want to say one thing (and btw, I loved the episode. I'm not a hardcore fan, so maybe that's why I don't feel so let down, because I hadn't built this up to be something else. I really thought this was done well for the most part):

The life that was taken in exchange for Clark's couldn't have been more appropriate. This way, no one can be mad at Jor-el for taking an innocent life. Jonathan himself made this decision for his son, knowing it could cost him his life, a long time ago. In a way, Jonathan gave his life for Clark without it having to be forced upon him. It's not a huge, world-shaking change to the series as we know it, but it was the right choice.

Sure there were some things I would have done differently or added, but for what it was worth, that was an hour well spent. And as always, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and feelings about this episode. I'm just saying that personally, this was a fine episode overall.

[muscaremy]

hulk u sed it perfectly..... i dont see what everyones problem is you got exactly what you knew and what was supposed to happen.....

i thought this episode was very good...

one - he knows lana *died* because of lex... thats not going to slip his mind..
two - clark knows now no matter what he cant save everyone.. and everything he does has consequences...
three - the shots of jk in the fos could have just been fake to throw out their for the spoiler viewers(us) much like the way x2 had pics of jean grey in the white house
four - lionel has something over the kent family and hes going to continue to use it and now marthas open for him to take....

i could go on for hours... with how this ep is going to change everything but i wont....

i just think people had high hopes for things to happen that would never really happen

[cheungcheung]

yeah the reveal wasn't long enough... but i guess the horrible writers are waiting for the REAL reveal to occur when clark leaves smallville... argh!!! :mad::down

[The Incredible Hulk]

This episode was structured perfectly -- very sixth sense. Things happened in the first half hour that seemed so inconsequential and ‘cheap’ but later made MUCH more sense. I think this was more self hype killing things for people then anything else. You were NOT supposed to know Jonathan was going to bite it. Everything that was officially released made you believe it was Lana. Come at it from that perspective and the last half an hour would have been shocking (to say the least). You would have seen Clark trying to play God (despite Jor-El warning him the universe would make him pay a price for it), and watching as his assuredness on how to ‘solve’ the original problem actually caused a whole new set of problems.

Think about it – he tells Lana and Lana is there to help Lois (that scene with her almost falling which looked like crappy foreshadowing makes sense later). Lana gets hit by that car, and Jonathan doesn’t make it home to meet Lionel (Jonathan being there out of nowhere later makes much more sense). If he’s not off taking Lois to a hospital, he’s home MUCH earlier, and is there before Jonathan even talks to Lionel.

If you didn’t know who really died, you would have seen a man with unbelievable powers trying to play God, and watching him learn the worst way possible, that he’s sure as hell not that.

finally someone GETS it... :up:

[user123456789]

to all of you who have the "It should have been Lana" sigs...

just... ugh.

im glad we have some REAL smallville fans here.

ps: hulk, great post. im glad someone here agrees with me about the 'restart (and not time travel)' concept.

zing79: GREAT, GREAT post. glad to see you've connected everything fairly well. i didn't realize Lios' accident was a result of lanas lack of being there. great catch!

[AgentPat]

I have a nagging feeling that they cut a lot out of this to make the timeslot ... and that a lot was lost in translation. It was planned, and even filmed to fit a 90-minute slot if they could have swung it.Agreed, absolutely. I think the hacking and slaying they needed to do RUINED it. You can TOTALLY tell that there was more to each scene but it was cut for time. NONE of the scene with Clark and Jonathan at the Fortress was shown, and it was obviously filmed. AND, it appeared to be a pretty powerful scene. They cut it. The hell?

Like I said, they should have made it a two parter. I think it would have been a MUCH better episode had they not hacked it to death.

Maybe they'll include the deleted scenes on the DVD? That would make up for it, I think.

[Spaceballs]

Seems like this forum is now divided

[Max]

IA, Hulk. I'm rather amazed that some are surprised as to who dies at the end. Considering that Smallville probably only has one more year, Clark needs to be fully propelled towards his destiny, and in order for him to do that, the writers have taken away the person that Clark leans on most. Duh, this isn't brain surgery.

I throughly enjoyed the episode, and frankly, how can the episode live up to everyone's expectations, when all our expectations are going to be different. Kill off Lana? I don't think so. Her death would serve absolutely no purpose. Clark would simply move on and would learn to cope with the loss with the love of his parents and his friend Chloe, especially since Lana and Clark are already moving apart.

Kill off Chole? I'll admit, I was really afraid of that, but then the logical choice was Jonathan. Was it a surprise? Well, I have to say, the episode kept me guessing right up until Clark saved Lana - then I knew. Not too shabby to keep me squirming almost until the end.

My first reaction to Jonathan's death was that it should have been more emotional or more devastating, but then I realized that a sudden death would be exactly like what was depicted. You're just in absolute shock and your numb all over. I think I was happy with that choice on the part of the writers that Clark was stoic and numb. He wasn't sobbing or grieving horrifically. He was just - disconnected, like he was watching events from outside himself. I thought that scene at the grave was perfect! He was a rock for his mother, no tears, nothing. He acknowledged Lana's sympathy when he clasped her hand, but he never looked at her. He just looked at his father's casket, nothing else. I think even Martha noticed this posture with Clark when he was pouring the handful of dirt on Jonathan's casket. There was concern in her eyes, I think.

I think the episode was well done. Could it have been better? Sure, but was I disappointed? No. There was a lot of information provided, and I'll have to watch it again to absorb it all.

1. Lana was able to accept Clark's heritage (I'll admit, I would have liked more of a shocked reaction from her, but I think Lana suspects already.)
2. Just like Pete, Lana knowing the truth about Clark will always put her life in danger, and Clark sarifices his happiness to protect her.
3. Clark unknowingly saves one life only to sacrifice another.
4. What was in that picture that Lionel showed Jonathan?
5. Whatever it was, it caused a tremendous amount of stress to Jonathan, which ultimately killed him. (Lionel definitely contributed to Jonathan's death)
6. Did Lana see Clark? What did she see exactly?
7. What happens now for Clark? I think Superman is really going to start to emerge; and last but not least . . .
8. Lionel is still the bastard we all knew and loved.

7 out of 10 stars

[musclesforsupes]

I think the people who are trashing this episode as the worst ever are being foolish, now Kryp-tuck that was bad! Oh what about BugBoy episode from season 1, that sucked. Hell I even thought the pilot episode sucked in my opinion, this ranked right up there. Hello its the 100th show, death of a major character, and really shows Tom's maturity into this role. We all know Lana isnt going to die, or Ma, or hell even Chloe (although she could die next season or later on) however Pa has to die, its in the mythology, if you didnt honestly think he would go, then you dont follow this character that well. I doubt they would have killed Lana or Ma can you imagine the anger from us fanboys and girls?

[muscaremy]

yes hulk and zing u guys sed it more intelligently then i did.. haha basically i get it but didnt write it out well...........

[Kane]

Seems like this forum is now divided

Seems more like a 9:1 divide

[PeteVenkman]

So what was that pic? that was on the barn floor?

I believe it was a pic of the spaceship... or maybe a picture of young clark the day they found him.... either way it was to show that lionel KNEW clark wasn't normal and had photo evidence

[musclesforsupes]

Am I the only one who liked this episode?

[muscaremy]

to steal a line from austin powers .... seems to me most people on here are just "DUTCH HATERSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and wana kreuk dead

nah muscles i liked it too

[Zorex]

I'll take the episode for what it was, but now I'm worried about next week's.....doesn't look like such a great way to pick up after this, IMO.

[phoenixflight]

hulk...its NOT naivete...just venting....itsa good thing...everyone say it with me....WOOOO-SAAAH

Incredible Hulk - great post. And for everyone else who claims it's just 'venting' - get a clue and understand the implications behind all that happened on a well executed show.

[musclesforsupes]

Guys the rest of this season and if lucky next are going to be great, this is going to be awhole new series from now on, hell I am even getting excited that we might even see him dawn the tights in a few episodes. Even though there is a no tight of flights rule, I believe anything can happen with this show and I wouldnt be surprised if he wore the suit or flew from now on.

[Serene]

This episode was structured perfectly -- very sixth sense. Things happened in the first half hour that seemed so inconsequential and ‘cheap’ but later made MUCH more sense. I think this was more self hype killing things for people then anything else. You were NOT supposed to know Jonathan was going to bite it. Everything that was officially released made you believe it was Lana. Come at it from that perspective and the last half an hour would have been shocking (to say the least). You would have seen Clark trying to play God (despite Jor-El warning him the universe would make him pay a price for it), and watching as his assuredness on how to ‘solve’ the original problem actually caused a whole new set of problems.

Think about it – he tells Lana and Lana is there to help Lois (that scene with her almost falling which looked like crappy foreshadowing makes sense later). Lana gets hit by that car, and Jonathan doesn’t make it home to meet Lionel (Jonathan being there out of nowhere later makes much more sense). If he’s not off taking Lois to a hospital, he’s home MUCH earlier, and is there before Jonathan even talks to Lionel.

If you didn’t know who really died, you would have seen a man with unbelievable powers trying to play God, and watching him learn the worst way possible, that he’s sure as hell not that.
You're helping to restore my faith in this forum, Zing. ;)
All very good and observant points.

[user123456789]

Am I the only one who liked this episode?

the more and more we discuss it, i am liking it more.

the ONLY complaint i have is Lana NOT knowing clarks secret at episodes end.

[Kaboom]

to all of you who have the "It should have been Lana" sigs...

just... ugh.

im glad we have some REAL smallville fans here.

ps: hulk, great post. im glad someone here agrees with me about the 'restart (and not time travel)' concept.

zing79: GREAT, GREAT post. glad to see you've connected everything fairly well. i didn't realize Lios' accident was a result of lanas lack of being there. great catch!

thats me...i am a real smallville fan..i recognize that lana is the female lead. but i, like everyone else it seems wishes that if it was jk to die, then lana should at least KNOW. otherwise we get the reaction we're getting. why? because the past five years have been nuilding to the reveal...and now we;re left at the begining. forgive me for voicing a greivance that after 5 years lana is still just as "galactcally stupid." as epsiode one.

so i will have my choice of signature for the next few days and then it will change back. but for now i am expressing my disappointment with the show not having "guts" for lack of a better word.

i think in previous posts ive made it clear that i have nothing against the lana character herself, just the way she is written. se la vie.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I think the people who are trashing this episode as the worst ever are being foolish, now Kryp-tuck that was bad! Oh what about BugBoy episode from season 1, that sucked. Hell I even thought the pilot episode sucked in my opinion, this ranked right up there. Hello its the 100th show, death of a major character, and really shows Tom's maturity into this role.

Jonathan doesn't have to die...in the current comics continuity, BOTH of the Kents are ALIVE.

I would remind folks that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

This episode let me down, and I didn't think it was that great. That's my opinion. But I have feeling the few who were totally amazed by the episode are going to start bashing soon ("Finally someone GETS it..." as if we don't? Wtf).

[tonytr1687]

That photo has to be something bigger other than Clarks secret for them to be keeping it mysterious this long. I mean if it was something concerning Clark why dont they just show us the photo?

[Spaceballs]

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(sighs)

[muscaremy]

excellent gif... i thought the accident scene itself was done very well

[musclesforsupes]

Oh and btw I have a feeling Lana is going to know the secret eventually, plus she once again saw him while standing with Lex. Lana cannot die in this series, the only two characters left that they can really kill off can be only Lionel and Chloe.

[Michael Corleone]

I think Superman is really going to start to emerge


If this is true then I hope the don't plan on another two seasons. If that's the case then this is a perfect example of "jumping the shark" and there isnt anywhere to go but downhill. I understand what you mean. I'm just saying that it's a lot to stretch out for two more seasons. If they really want to break the stigma of making the jump? Then they really need to kick in to high gear with Lex(which I think they might). Also they REALLY need to start tying up loose ends. All the continuity questions. Not Superman continuity. Smallville continuity combined with Superman. There needs to be something to bridge the gap. Why Lois doesnt recognize him? Why Lex doesnt recognize him, etc.

[Spaceballs]

Oh and btw I have a feeling Lana is going to know the secret eventually

If she finds out the Secret it wont be through Clark & if Clark finds out Lana knows thatll make things worse

[Kaboom]

Incredible Hulk - great post. And for everyone else who claims it's just 'venting' - get a clue and understand the implications behind all that happened on a well executed show.


please refer to my previous post. i have a clue....im just expressing diappointment that such opportunities were wasted.....i have nothing against jk dying and lana living....i just wish it was done differently. please at least offer me the benefit of the doubt.

[musclesforsupes]

I am just surprised at so many people hating this episode, I mean this has the makings of the anger from the SR costume.

[Torchd]

yea assassin! one person is a voice! two is a trend!

I'm in

[The Caped Knight]

I also actually liked that clark didn't cry at the funural, he looked so...... resolved, determined, whatever it was... it was like you could see him becoming Superman.

That's about the only thing that was good about this episode . :supes:

[mathhater]

I thought it was a great episode. And even though I've listened to all the speculation, there never was much doubt in my mind as to how it would end up...and minus the little reset crystal, this episode was pretty much exactly what I expected all along...and as such, I was really happy with it.

The main problem??...as with most things in life, when there's ANYTHING with this level of hype to it, it's gonna be hard to live up to. Smallville just fell victim to the hype machine tonight. Was it seriously a bad episode??...hardly. If there hadn't been any spoilers or any warnings or any speculation, I think this episode would've floored people. But all this hype got started too long ago and the consequence was an episode that would've been VERY difficult to live up to.

My opinion here, but I thougt it was great.

[Spaceballs]

I was surprised to see Lex there. But then of course Lex had his mad face on with Lana & Clark holding hands

[The Incredible Hulk]

IA, Hulk. I'm rather amazed that some are surprised as to who dies at the end. Considering that Smallville probably only has one more year, Clark needs to be fully propelled towards his destiny, and in order for him to do that, the writers have taken away the person that Clark leans on most. Duh, this isn't brain surgery.


Exactly. You take away his "crutch", then you force him to stand.

Basically what this episode came down to was a time honored comic story of "A Hero's Choice", where the hero needs to make a choice of one person to save over another. Only in Clark's case he didnt know the choices, and as Martha so eloquently pointed out at the end, would he have really been able to make that kind of choice anyway? In Clark's case with his abilities that's normally not a problem he can usually save both, but the way it was setup by the string of events here, it made it impossible for even him. With all he can do he still cant stop a heart attack.

Zing hit it right on the head. Jor-El taught Clark a lesson by letting him try to play God. In the end he's destined to lose because one chain of events ensues from changes he makes in another. Zing laid out the circumstances that changed perfectly. That's something he'll be bound by even as Superman.

[Serene]

Newsflash: Lana isn't Chloe. Her reaction to the reveal wouldn't, and shouldn't, be the same.

Maybe it was too subtle for the masses, but when he first told her that he was an alien, she did exactly what I hoped she would do.. she cupped his face with her hand, and listened.

I thought it was beautiful. Could it have been more *dramatic*? Perhaps, but I thought there was a lot of power and love in their exchange. From his nervous determination, to her calm and loving acceptance. It worked for me.

[phoenixflight]

please refer to my previous post. i have a clue....im just expressing diappointment that such opportunities were wasted.....i have nothing against jk dying and lana living....i just wish it was done differently. please at least offer me the benefit of the doubt.

I will grant you that and I will read your previous posts. Talk about 'venting', it just angers me to read how quick people are to trash this episode.

[musclesforsupes]

I liked the end the best too, but they really could have played the emotions of Pa's death alittle better, I mean why didnt clark run to get the police or ambulance, why did he just lay there on the ground its, like bamm there is pa, bamm we are at the funeral.

[Kryptonsucks89]

I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that Clark never told Lana HOW he came here. Remember what happened when he came to Smallville.

[Kaboom]

I will grant you that and I will read your previous posts. Talk about 'venting', it just angers me to read how quick people are to trash this episode.

thank you phoenix..i appreciate your candor.(is that word..im slightly inebriated at the moment)

[musclesforsupes]

I hope K-site posts news tomorrow of some extended scenes or a 90 min version of this episode on the Season 5 dvd set.

[muscaremy]

yup thats exactly how i understood it ..

[musclesforsupes]

Yea lets trash kryp-tuck come on everyone this wasnt that bad at all.

[Batgort]

For what its worth, I too liked this episode and thought it was well done. Obviously, Clark is not ready to be a super-man and manage a lovelife. (Perhaps we'll know more about that conflict in SR?)

I don't think Lana ever has to know, and she could just fade off now or have some conflict with Lex. It would be nice to see Lex and Lana hook up now. Clark needs to break some of his ties to Smallville and spend more time in Metropolis, getting closer to Superman and Lois.

I think from this point on we're ready for an even more kick-ass show and I can't wait. Here's to another 100 episodes! :supes:

[phoenixflight]

thank you phoenix..i appreciate your candor.(is that word..im slightly inebriated at the moment)

Even in your 'state' you're still functional. Are you celebrating or mourning the episode!?!

[musclesforsupes]

well time for bed everyone I will be back on around 815 while at work tomorrow morning, good night. Oh and I hope some peoples opinion on this episode change, come on everyone just think of that last seen with Tom and next to the angel this season and series are only gonna get better! Stay Positive!!! Flys off like clark to the bedcovers of solitude :D Night night :)

[Max]

If this is true then I hope the don't plan on another two seasons. If that's the case then this is a perfect example of "jumping the shark" and there isnt anywhere to go but downhill. I understand what you mean. I'm just saying that it's a lot to stretch out for two more seasons. If they really want to break the stigma of making the jump? Then they really need to kick in to high gear with Lex(which I think they might). Also they REALLY need to start tying up loose ends. All the continuity questions. Not Superman continuity. Smallville continuity combined with Superman. There needs to be something to bridge the gap. Why Lois doesnt recognize him? Why Lex doesnt recognize him, etc.

I think that's exactly what's going to happen - "kick it into high gear." Now that Clark can't lean on his father, he's going to have to make decisions and mistakes on his own, you couple that with Clark's guilt and grief over the death of his father, and you've got a Clark/Lex smackdown waiting to happen. Next week looks awesome!

[Zorex]

Newsflash: Lana isn't Chloe. Her reaction to the reveal wouldn't, and shouldn't, be the same.

Maybe it was too subtle for the masses, but when he first told her that he was an alien, she did exactly what I hoped she would do.. she cupped his face with her hand, and listened.

I thought it was beautiful. Could it have been more *dramatic*? Perhaps, but I thought there was a lot of power and love in their exchange. From his nervous determination, to her calm and loving acceptance. It worked for me.
Yeah, I agree. It was good for me.

[Kaboom]

Even in your 'state' you're still functional. Are you celebrating or mourning the episode!?!

hrsday and as any self-respecting 25 year old who still wishes he was in undergrad, im getting ready to celebrate thursday!

[Evelisse]

Thought the episode was alright, I think as was said it needed another half hour or hour to flesh it out some more, felt choppy and rushed. I really hope them saying this changes everything really does do just that, time to kick it into gear, no more fotw with a scene of clark looking at a family photo sighing only to go hang with Chlanois.

[Michael Corleone]

Exactly. You take away his "crutch", then you force him to stand.

Basically what this episode came down to was a time honored comic story of "A Hero's Choice", where the hero needs to make a choice of one person to save over another. Only in Clark's case he didnt know the choices, and as Marta so eloquently pointed out at the end, would he have really been able to make that kind of choice anyway? In Clark's case with hsi abilities that's normal not a problem he can usually save both, but the way it was setup by the string of events, it made it impossible for even him. With all he can do he still cant stop a heart attack.

Zing hit it right on the head. Jor-El taught Clark a lesson by letting him try to play God. In the end he's destined to lose because one chain of events ensues from changes he makes in another. Zing laid out the circumstances that changed perfectly. That's something he'll be bound by even as Superman.


Not disputing the point of the story. But when you strip it down all this episode was was more of the same. Jonathan's death while having a purpose gets lost in the rest of the episode. The whole thing felt rushed. When you look back on everything all you see is them basically yelling "we're gonna kill someone...we're gonna kill someone!" I understand that the "real" reveal with Lana will have more weight to it. Or at least I hope it will. I have no problem with Jonathan dying. I have no problem with Lana living. I have a slight problem with Lana not knowing. But that is more because it was such a tease. But when it gets boiled down it just suffers from the same formulatic problems the show has always had. I really hope they shock me more with the upcoming episodes and begin to take this thing to the next level.

[phoenixflight]

hrsday and as any self-respecting 25 year old who still wishes he was in undergrad, im getting ready to celebrate thursday!

Be careful out there, and just remember, as Clark has painfully found out, Your Choices Share Your Destiny. Enjoy Thursday (and what do you do to ring in Fridays??)

[thechubbysaint]

hmmm... Now that they went pre-crisis with smallville and having j. Kent die. Supes will be like every other hero who has angst about someone close to them dying. L-A-M-E


Aside from events spilling over from this week. Next week looks like a throw away 'super teen v. freaks' episode. bAHHH!

[Torchd]

to all of you who have the "It should have been Lana" sigs...

just... ugh.

im glad we have some REAL smallville fans here.

Now, just to set the record straight, with me, I don't have an "Anti-Lana" bone in my body, when she died it hit hard with Clark right there and everything that was tragic. But when Johnathan died and Martha screamed, You could tell in Clark's face he knew it was his fault. That his Dad died just so his girlfriend would live, and how do you think he feels when he sees Lana and Lex together. I just think that Lana dieing was TRAGIC enough. imo

[Michael Corleone]

hmmm... Now that they went pre-crisis with smallville and having j. Kent die. Supes will be like every other hero who has angst about someone close to them dying. L-A-M-E


Aside from events spilling over from this week. Next week looks like a throw away 'super teen v. freaks' episode. bAHHH!


If you knew anything about pre-crisis Superman. You would know that there is nothing angst about him.

[Spaceballs]

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[The Caped Knight]

hmmm... Now that they went pre-crisis with smallville and having j. Kent die. Supes will be like every other hero who has angst about someone close to them dying. L-A-M-E




I totally Agree .

[Kaboom]

hmmm... Now that they went pre-crisis with smallville and having j. Kent die. Supes will be like every other hero who has angst about someone close to them dying. L-A-M-E

jonathan knt dying is not the problem, its how it was done. jk did not die in every incarnation. in the versions where he did die, it teaches clark about the fraility of human life. something he will never experience himself, but is forced to endure as he outlives everyone who is close to him. in fact it grounds him, as someone who is invulnerable, and not subject to the laws and penalties that we alla re, that he chooses not only to protect humanity but to embrace speaks to his character as a person even though he is kryptonian. its not angst...its love. it just wasnt done well in 100.....here hoping 101 rectifies it.

[Zing79]

Some of you people are just ridiculous. Why do you think the episode has been reviewed so well by the press? Probably because they didn’t turn into spoiler whores before it aired. They watched it as it was intended.

Keep telling yourself the fact you knew Jonathan was going to bite it didn’t affect how you saw the show. Keep telling yourself the fact you knew the reset button on the reveal was going to get pressed didn’t affect how you saw the show.

There’s NO WAY it gets reviewed as well as it did by the mainstream press if it was ANYWHERE near as bad as some of you had made it out to be.

Much like Clark this episode, some of you tried to play God and learn every detail of the ep before it aired – this is your consequence. Don’t blame the show; blame yourself for being a whore.

[AgentPat]

I am just surprised at so many people hating this episode, I mean this has the makings of the anger from the SR costume.:rolleyes: Um... NO! LOL

I don't "hate" this episode. Far, FAR from it. I'm just a little disappointed, that's all. I laughed at the Superman in jokes, I caught the little factoids that Zing and Hulk brought up. The fact of the matter is, the episode didn't "amaze" me as much as I had hoped it would. Call it the entertainment factor. Was it an important episode? Absolutely. Jonathan is dead. That's huge. But the Lana reset bugs the bejeezes out of me. It was just last week that Welling talked about that sort of thing and how they were going to change it, finally. BULL! LOL

I think it was a very Supermanly move for Clark to sacrifice his happiness for Lana, even knowing that she might possibly end up with Lex. But he didn't alter her curiosity about the space ship, alien Ken and Barbie, or the meteors in general. Lex and Lana are THIS -><- CLOSE to discovering things Clark would probably NOT want them to know. So whether he tells her now or later, he's gonna have to spill eventually. And canon tells us he will.

SO... what would have been better? IMHO, Clark should just have told her about himself the second time like he did with Pete and Chloe, but not proposed or taken her to the FOS. There's plenty of ways he could have proved to her he wasn't from around here without crushing a lump of coal into a diamond, or leaping a quarter mile straight up, with her in his arms LOL.

Would knowing put her in danger? Yeah. But Clark's parents know, and so do Chloe and Pete. And while they've had their moments of "this sux," Lana is gonna find out eventually anyway.

Of all the things that could have been better with this ep, the Lana reset is probably the one thing that bugs me the most. Everything else I can live with. I know the season is barely half over. There's a LOT more to tell, and a LOT will link back to Reckoning, so that aspect is good! :up:

[Kaboom]

Be careful out there, and just remember, as Clark has painfully found out, Your Choices Share Your Destiny. Enjoy Thursday (and what do you do to ring in Fridays??)

thanks, thats why G-d invented Superman...and cabs...

[Michael Corleone]

Some of you people are just ridiculous. Why do you think the episode has been reviewed so well by the press? Probably because they didn’t turn into spoiler whores before it aired. They watched it as it was intended.

Keep telling yourself the fact you knew Jonathan was going to bite it didn’t affect how you saw the show. Keep telling yourself the fact you knew the reset button on the reveal was going to get pressed didn’t affect how you saw the show.

There’s NO WAY it gets reviewed as well as it did by the mainstream press if it was ANYWHERE near as bad as some of you had made it out to be.

Much like Clark this episode, some of you tried to play God and learn every detail of the ep before it aired – this is your consequence. Don’t blame the show; blame yourself for being a whore.


Not trying to argue with you but. The very people that are upset are the very people they should be trying to please. Not the critics.

[The Caped Knight]

SUPERMAN : The Movie

Young Clark : All those things I can do. All those powers. And I couldn't even save him. (Talking about Jonathan.)

Well, Smallville(Clark), If you didn't use The stupid Time Crystal thing. Your Father would still be alive .

[Superman4ever]

jonathan knt dying is not the problem, its how it was done. jk did not die in every incarnation. in the versions where he did die, it teaches clark about the fraility of human life. something he will never experience himself, but is forced to endure as he outlives everyone who is close to him. in fact it grounds him, as someone who is invulnerable, and not subject to the laws and penalties that we alla re, that he chooses not only to protect humanity but to embrace speaks to his character as a person even though he is kryptonian. its not angst...its love. it just wasnt done well in 100.....here hoping 101 rectifies it.

:up: :up:

I'm still...

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I sorta knew, but it still sucks! I'm kinda glad it wasn't Chloe though, I love her to bits. I sorta wish it was Lana now though, but I guess this ties in with SR pretty well!

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[thechubbysaint]

If you knew anything about pre-crisis Superman. You would know that there is nothing angst about him.

I think you are confused. Unlike, say spiderman or Batman, he doesn't let it haunt him, but the angst with Clark is the catalyst for his next step into supes. Same motivation as every other hero out there. Watch Chloe become the next Gwen Stacey. ;)

[NotFadeAway]

This will teach Clark that he can't save everyone!!!!

Would have rather had Lana die though.....you can tell how much you care about characters when all you say is " damn " when Lana got hit by the bus.....but you get choked up when Jonathan dies.

[muscaremy]

Some of you people are just ridiculous. Why do you think the episode has been reviewed so well by the press? Probably because they didn’t turn into spoiler whores before it aired. They watched it as it was intended.

Keep telling yourself the fact you knew Jonathan was going to bite it didn’t affect how you saw the show. Keep telling yourself the fact you knew the reset button on the reveal was going to get pressed didn’t affect how you saw the show.

There’s NO WAY it gets reviewed as well as it did by the mainstream press if it was ANYWHERE near as bad as some of you had made it out to be.

Much like Clark this episode, some of you tried to play God and learn every detail of the ep before it aired – this is your consequence. Don’t blame the show; blame yourself for being a whore.

exactly..... ive read and seen the spoilers but i knew what to expect before hand so it didnt ruin it for me..... plus when watching it i get so into watching i block out all spoilers... i did this with x2 i knew jean died but blocked it out while watching... darth maul in episode one..... etc... dont say it sux cuz u ruined it for yourself

[Max]

See, I'm glad Lana doesn't know. I mean how many people need to know the secret? Part of the fun of the show is that some people don't know. Lex and Lana are trying to uncover the secret, and I have no idea how much Lionel knows. As to why Lana doesn't know, they pretty much showed you why she can't know, not yet - because Lex will sense in two milliseconds that Lana knows the truth, and he will hound her (or worse) until he gets it out of her.

If I had to guess what is going to happen from this point forward, it is this:

1. Lana and Clark are done. Finito. Over. Well, they will be once she plays the dutiful girlfriend-since-your-dad-just-died role. At this point, they are going to move on from each other. They should. Lana is not suppose to be the love of Clark's life, so the fact that she doesn't know the truth right now and the fact that she and Clark will ultimately break up, makes sense and is fine by me.

2. Lana will be drawn to Lex and vice versa, which will set up the catalyst for a rift between Lex and Clark. It won't be the big event that divides them, but the crack will start to expand from this point forward.

3. Clark will definitely start to move towards Metropolis and all the dangers and intrigue that await him there, which will also propel him towards his destiny.

4. I think Jor-el will finally get to have a place in Clark's life. Let's face it, as long as Jonathan Kent was alive, he was Clark's father. Period. Jor-el never stood a chance, but now that Jonathan is gone, I think Clark will start to seek out his birth father. Good things will start to happen, I think.

An earlier poster hit the nail on the head when he/she said that this episode simply suffered from being overhyped, and there was NO way it was going to live up to that kind of anticipation. Too many spoilers, too many pictures, threads, and conversations all leading up to tonight's episode. Add in the fact that I agree that they probably cut a chunk of stuff out of this episode. For heavens sake, WB, you can sacrifice "Beauty and the Geek" for one friggin night to give the 100th episode of SV a proper 90-minute sendoff! Idiots.

Overall, if it wasn't a 100th episode with all the hype, I think some people would be expressing more positive reviews. It. Was. A. Good. Episode.

[Kaboom]

I think you are confused. Unlike, say spiderman or Batman, he doesn't let it haunt him, but the angst with Clark is the catalyst for his next step into supes. Same motivation as every other hero out there. Watch Chloe become the next Gwen Stacey. ;)

lets not even get started on her!

[Spaceballs]

Anyone like my gifs ?

[The Caped Knight]

If I had to guess what is going to happen from this point forward, it is this:

1. Lana and Clark are done. Finito. Over. Well, they will be once she plays the dutiful girlfriend-since-your-dad-just-died role. At this point, they are going to move on from each other. They should. Lana is not suppose to be the love of Clark's life, so the fact that she doesn't know the truth right now and the fact that she and Clark will ultimately break up, makes sense and is fine by me.

2. Lana will be drawn to Lex and vice versa, which will set up the catalyst for a rift between Lex and Clark. It won't be the big event that divides them, but the crack will start to expand from this point forward.

3. Clark will definitely start to move towards Metropolis and all the dangers and intrigue that await him there, which will also propel him towards his destiny.

4. I think Jor-el will finally get to have a place in Clark's life. Let's face it, as long as Jonathan Kent was alive, he was Clark's father. Period. Jor-el never stood a chance, but now that Jonathan is gone, I think Clark will start to seek out his birth father. Good things will start to happen, I think.



well putting it that way, I'll have to agree .

[Zing79]

Not trying to argue with you but. The very people that are upset are the very people they should be trying to please. Not the critics.
The critics represent the vast majority of people who saw this ep. That vast majority didn't know squat outside of the officially released info. Their enjoyment of this ep will be vastly different then ours.

And I'm equally sure there's a nice chunk of people in that vast majority who also happen to be 'hard core' fans.

[muscaremy]

also for those who say its stupid cuz if he hadnt had to save lana his father would still be alive are wrong... cuz that meeting with lionel would have just happend a few days later...and then clark would be double f'd

[Kaboom]

Anyone like my gifs ?

the first and last were by fat the best...when i posy enough to get an avatar can i steal one?

[Michael Corleone]

I think you are confused. Unlike, say spiderman or Batman, he doesn't let it haunt him, but the angst with Clark is the catalyst for his next step into supes. Same motivation as every other hero out there. Watch Chloe become the next Gwen Stacey. ;)

No sorry. Clark puts on the suit at age 8. He is Superboy for most of his adolecent years. Both his parents die. He moves to Metropolis. Graduates from college and changes his name to Superman. He is using his powers openly for most of his life.

[Spaceballs]

the first and last were by fat the best...when i posy enough to get an avatar can i steal one?

Enjoy :up:

[Zing79]

SUPERMAN : The Movie

Young Clark : All those things I can do. All those powers. And I couldn't even save him. (Talking about Jonathan.)

Well, Smallville(Clark), If you didn't use The stupid Time Crystal thing. Your Father would still be alive .
And his wife-to-be would be dead. Welling (Clark) learned far more then Jeff East (Clark) did in STM.

[Superman4ever]

SUPERMAN : The Movie

Young Clark : All those things I can do. All those powers. And I couldn't even save him. (Talking about Jonathan.)

Well, Smallville(Clark), If you didn't use The stupid Time Crystal thing. Your Father would still be alive .

Not really, that's still very possible, however, Jonathan still had to meet with Lionel at some point and that photo was still going to show up to get that weak heart of his agitated. So either way Clark could have lost both. However, with this decision to save Lana he at least gets to keep her in his life...which kinda sucks for me cause she's annoying the hell out of me at the moment.

How many times does Clark have to save her life for her to be a smidget appreciative/understanding? Lex gets shot once for her...once...and she was willing to do anything for him.

Clark saves her dozens of times and she acts like he owes her! :down

I hope Chloe and Clark hook up...or Lois...they have dragged this "love" story WAY too long.

[AgentPat]

If I had to guess what is going to happen from this point forward, it is this:

1. Lana and Clark are done. Finito. Over. Well, they will be once she plays the dutiful girlfriend-since-your-dad-just-died role. At this point, they are going to move on from each other. They should. Lana is not suppose to be the love of Clark's life, so the fact that she doesn't know the truth right now and the fact that she and Clark will ultimately break up, makes sense and is fine by me.

2. Lana will be drawn to Lex and vice versa, which will set up the catalyst for a rift between Lex and Clark. It won't be the big event that divides them, but the crack will start to expand from this point forward.

3. Clark will definitely start to move towards Metropolis and all the dangers and intrigue that await him there, which will also propel him towards his destiny.

4. I think Jor-el will finally get to have a place in Clark's life. Let's face it, as long as Jonathan Kent was alive, he was Clark's father. Period. Jor-el never stood a chance, but now that Jonathan is gone, I think Clark will start to seek out his birth father. Good things will start to happen, I think.Hee! Good post, Max. I feel better now. :up: :D

[Kaboom]

ladies and gentleman i am off for the night....dont anybody go posting anything super intelligent why i'm gone!

and remember...ne day we will see the suit..and all will be forgiven....

until then...

[Superman4ever]

Anyone like my gifs ?

I did...thanks :up:

[muscaremy]

Not really, that's still very possible, however, Jonathan still had to meet with Lionel at some point and that photo was still going to show up to get that weak heart of his agitated. So either way Clark could have lost both. However, with this decision to save Lana he at least gets to keep her in his life...which kinda sucks for me cause she's annoying the hell out of me at the moment.

How many times does Clark have to save her life for her to be a smidget appreciative/understanding? Lex gets shot once for her...once...and she was willing to do anything for him.

Clark saves her dozens of times and she acts like he owes her! :down

I hope Chloe and Clark hook up...or Lois...they have dragged this "love" story WAY too long.

yea i pointed that out guess no one noticed.... but again now hes not double f'd

[The Incredible Hulk]

hmmm... Now that they went pre-crisis with smallville and having j. Kent die. Supes will be like every other hero who has angst abo!

yeah umm because post-crisis Supes never worries about the people around him getting hurt or dying :confused:

[thechubbysaint]

No sorry. Clark puts on the suit at age 8. He is Superboy for most of his adolecent years. Both his parents die. He moves to Metropolis. Graduates from college and changes his name to Superman. He is using his powers openly for most of his life.


My point exactly:
. . .his parents die. He moves [on. eventually becomes superman]. . .

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Would knowing put her in danger? Yeah. But Clark's parents know, and so do Chloe and Pete. And while they've had their moments of "this sux," Lana is gonna find out eventually anyway.

Finally, someone gets it. :up: :D

THIS is the huge issue I had with the episode.

Jonathan's death DOES change the scope of the series. But the fact is, in a few episodes, things will be much the same minus Jonathan. The characters won't mope forever, and Jonathan won't be mentioned in every episode.

But, suppose we'd added Jonathan's death to Lana finding out sans mindwipe. THAT would have changed the series, as SO MUCH of the series has been Clark's struggle with keeping his secret from Lana while maintaining some kind of relationship with her. It would've added much more depth to the relationships of the characters.

Clark COULD have told her the second time around, only under different circumstances - perhaps no proposal? Perhaps WARNING her about Lex? Perhaps not taking her to the Fortress?

I mean, really. Right now, ALL of Clark's close friends and family, save for Lois, know about his secret. Can you imagine how pissed she'll be when she finds out for real AND that she'd been kept in the dark while everyone else is allowed to run around with the secret in their minds?

THAT is the most dissapointing part about this episode - the mindwipe. Call it time travel, call it a reset, what have you, but dammit, what was the end result? SHE KNEW AND THEN SHE FORGOT. That, my friends, is a mindwipe.

[Superman4ever]

yea i pointed that out guess no one noticed.... but again now hes not double f'd

Great minds...;) To much happening at once for everyone to read all the posts. It happens! :)

See, I'm glad Lana doesn't know. I mean how many people need to know the secret? Part of the fun of the show is that some people don't know. Lex and Lana are trying to uncover the secret, and I have no idea how much Lionel knows. As to why Lana doesn't know, they pretty much showed you why she can't know, not yet - because Lex will sense in two milliseconds that Lana knows the truth, and he will hound her (or worse) until he gets it out of her.

If I had to guess what is going to happen from this point forward, it is this:

1. Lana and Clark are done. Finito. Over. Well, they will be once she plays the dutiful girlfriend-since-your-dad-just-died role. At this point, they are going to move on from each other. They should. Lana is not suppose to be the love of Clark's life, so the fact that she doesn't know the truth right now and the fact that she and Clark will ultimately break up, makes sense and is fine by me.

2. Lana will be drawn to Lex and vice versa, which will set up the catalyst for a rift between Lex and Clark. It won't be the big event that divides them, but the crack will start to expand from this point forward.

3. Clark will definitely start to move towards Metropolis and all the dangers and intrigue that await him there, which will also propel him towards his destiny.

4. I think Jor-el will finally get to have a place in Clark's life. Let's face it, as long as Jonathan Kent was alive, he was Clark's father. Period. Jor-el never stood a chance, but now that Jonathan is gone, I think Clark will start to seek out his birth father. Good things will start to happen, I think.



:up: :up:

They better have Clark fly, since he can leap enormous feats in a single bound he HAS to fly this season...

I could totally, in the season finale, see an upset Clark (still wheeling from the loss of his father and whatever finale twist-and-turns he is facing) just running in the corn feilds and then...flight.

CUT TO:

End Credits!

[Lt. Figgnuts]

They better have Clark fly, since he can leap enormous feats in a single bound he HAS to fly this season...


I dunno...maybe I wasn't paying enough attention, but Clark's "takeoff" from that jump didn't seem like it took much effort...I don't remember seeing him crouch or anything like that...

...even if it was a leap, it was VERY controlled, because they moved up pretty slowly and he landed pretty softly.

He's like, an inch away from flying.

[Spaceballs]

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7346/03up.gif

:p

[Ronny Shade]

Damn. I was going to post my disappointment that they went and killed off Jonathon and how theyre making this show way too much like its supposed to be tied in with the movies, but then there's this whole big long discussion thats been going on for 126 pages and I am NOT going to read it all.

[thechubbysaint]

He probably would have broken her neck if he didn't fly and jumped to that height, but common sense hasn't stopped hollywood before.

[Ronny Shade]

I dunno...maybe I wasn't paying enough attention, but Clark's "takeoff" from that jump didn't seem like it took much effort...I don't remember seeing him crouch or anything like that...

...even if it was a leap, it was VERY controlled, because they moved up pretty slowly and he landed pretty softly.

He's like, an inch away from flying.

That looked like flying to me

[The Caped Knight]

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7346/03up.gif

:p


Can you post the one Where lana gets killed Please .

[Superman4ever]

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7346/03up.gif

:p

Cool! Thanks...where's the one where she dies? Just loop her death for me! :up:

[Spaceballs]

Cool! Thanks...where's the one where she dies? Just loop her death for me! :up:

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[Lt. Figgnuts]

That looked like flying to me

:) That's about what I'm sayin'.

[Michael Corleone]

My point exactly:
. . .his parents die. He moves [on. eventually becomes superman]. . .


ummmmk? Seeing as he was already Superman minus the name I dont see your point. Their death wasnt the catalyst for him to become Superman because he was already just that. He changed his name. Not his actions. Moving on would also not be considered angst or their death a catalyst. You have no choice but to move on. I think you're confusing Superman The Movie continuity and Pre-crisis continuity. He was already "Super" by the time of their death. If anything it made him CONTINUE what he was already doing. Not start something.

[Spaceballs]

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(sighs)

here

[Superman4ever]

I dunno...maybe I wasn't paying enough attention, but Clark's "takeoff" from that jump didn't seem like it took much effort...I don't remember seeing him crouch or anything like that...

...even if it was a leap, it was VERY controlled, because they moved up pretty slowly and he landed pretty softly.

He's like, an inch away from flying.

They hinted it, but he's not there yet. Able to leap tall buildings...

However, how did they get down?

[Descendant]

Not trying to argue with you but. The very people that are upset are the very people they should be trying to please. Not the critics.

Well, I'm a fan and I'm very pleased. I've been very pleased with Season 5 all together. The simple truth is you cannot please every rabid fanboy out there because people have different views and intrepretations of the character. Many fanboys want it to be the comic books. It's not and it's not meant to be that way. It's a story to tell with television as the best format to tell it in. And for all the people comparing it to the movies and comic books all got it wrong. It is its own dynasty. It tell its own story with the core concepts of Superman and I'm always enjoyed with what they bring. I think the actors have gotten exceptionally good and the stories just keep getting better. I'm a huge fan of the comic books, movies, and Smallville. I consider myself a huge fanboy. But I look at Smallville as it's own beast and it rocks.

I thought Reckoning was really good. It brought up the point made in the movie("All those powers and I couldn't save him.") and expanded the whole idea of him messing with fate and thats what the episode was about. It underlined that the choices he makes is what makes him a hero. He saved Lana's life and I think Jonathan Kent was going to die anyway. The one who was supposed to die because of Lana being saved was Lois. Jonathan Kent's heart was failing anyway. This episode will have a huge impact on the future of this season and the future respectively. How will Clark deal with his grief and depression? What a way to spin the last episodes of the season.

[Michael Corleone]

That looked like flying to me


Yeah....that wasnt a jump. That was taking off and flying to the upper level of the fortress.

[Superman4ever]

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(sighs)


here



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[Lt. Figgnuts]

They hinted it, but he's not there yet. Able to leap tall buildings...

However, how did they get down?

Well, yeah. Not there YET, but he's like...right on the doorstep. He rang the doorbell, and he's just waiting for flight to answer.

How'd they get down? How indeed, if it wasn't a very controlled jump? ;)

[Superman4ever]

Well, yeah. Not there YET, but he's like...right on the doorstep. He rang the doorbell, and he's just waiting for flight to answer.

How'd they get down? How indeed, if it wasn't a very controlled jump? ;)

Yeah that's what my earlier post was stating...


I could totally, in the season finale, see an upset Clark (still wheeling from the loss of his father and whatever finale twist-and-turns he is facing) just running in the corn feilds and then...flight.

CUT TO:

End Credits!

...putting the nail in the cofin!

[The Caped Knight]

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4341/untitled6dx.gif

DIE ***** DIE :mad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Y'all are some angry fans lol. Especially you Kal-El 8.

[Michael Corleone]

Y'all are some angry fans lol. Especially you Kal-El 8.
lol I know.....I didnt know so many hated Lana. I mean she certainly isnt my favorite character on the show. But....damn?

[Spaceballs]

The Season 5 Finale will most likely STINK for Clark

A) Lex & Lana should be a couple by then

B) Return of Zod

C) Return of other 2 Kryptonians

This is all Childs Play for Clark :up:

[muscaremy]

its like i sed a lot of people here are "DUTCH HATERSSSSSSSSS"

[Kane]

I think she just represents the worst elements of the show.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

A) Lex & Lana should be a couple by then


I really hope that they've broken up by the finale. I dislike the idea of Lana/Lex.

[The Caped Knight]

Y'all are some angry fans lol. Especially you Kal-El 8.

I never Like Lana in [smallville] I like KK, But I feel that from The begining She was written badly . She is the most useless preson on the show . When she with Lex , she different and I enjoyed her.



But after tonight's Episode, I have a lot of Venom & RAGE towards Lana Lang. That If she was standing in front of me I'd Kill her .

[muscaremy]

on that note it looks like baldys finally gonna get some lovin from someone whos not tryin to kill him

[Michael Corleone]

OK I think I'm signing off on this thread tonight. You all have fun!

[DarthSkywalker]

Solid episode, but it felt so rushed. So obvious at a point.

Still the final act was one of the best of the shows run. But they killed off there second best actors.

[Serene]

Well, I'm a fan and I'm very pleased. I've been very pleased with Season 5 all together. The simple truth is you cannot please every rabid fanboy out there because people have different views and intrepretations of the character. Many fanboys want it to be the comic books. It's not and it's not meant to be that way. It's a story to tell with television as the best format to tell it in. And for all the people comparing it to the movies and comic books all got it wrong. It is its own dynasty. It tell its own story with the core concepts of Superman and I'm always enjoyed with what they bring. I think the actors have gotten exceptionally good and the stories just keep getting better. I'm a huge fan of the comic books, movies, and Smallville. I consider myself a huge fanboy. But I look at Smallville as it's own beast and it rocks.

I thought Reckoning was really good. It brought up the point made in the movie("All those powers and I couldn't save him.") and expanded the whole idea of him messing with fate and thats what the episode was about. It underlined that the choices he makes is what makes him a hero. He saved Lana's life and I think Jonathan Kent was going to die anyway. The one who was supposed to die because of Lana being saved was Lois. Jonathan Kent's heart was failing anyway. This episode will have a huge impact on the future of this season and the future respectively. How will Clark deal with his grief and depression? What a way to spin the last episodes of the season.

Nice post,Descendant. :up:

I just watched the ep again, and while I'm still disappointed about Lana not knowing anymore, I feel even more strongly that this is a marvelous episode for a lot of reasons. There is a lot more subtext and symbolism if you go just a smidge deeper than the surface.

The simple act of Clark helping Martha put on her pearls is a prime example.

Oh, and can I just say how lovely it is to see the board being spammed with so many Hate posts? Like Hulk said.. do a few of you really need to say the SAME DAMN thing over and over, ad infinitum?

[Spaceballs]

on that note it looks like baldys finally gonna get some lovin from someone whos not tryin to kill him

Funny :up:

[Kane]

Oh, and can I just say how lovely it is to see the board being spammed with so many Hate posts? Like Hulk said.. do a few of you really need to say the SAME DAMN thing over and over, ad infinitum?

Arent you saying the same thing over and over?

[muscaremy]

its true tho they all want the bald guy dead... for his money or other reasons....smallville is a hate crime gainst bald people

[DarthSkywalker]

The one major problem other then the very terrible teaser opening, was that it felt like it should of been an extended episode.

Given 5-10 mins morre it could of been tons better. But they got about 42 mins, the first 10 of which weren't exactly great.

Also he didn't fly. Completely a jump. Just look how he lands.

[Spaceballs]

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1001/045vz.gif


:up:

[The Caped Knight]

Ok, (I'm still Very upset that Jonathan Kent died.)

But I Will try to get past that . And post a nice review of The Episode .

[Spider-Gamer]

Ok, (I'm still Very upset that Jonathan Kent died.)

But I Will try to get past that . And post a nice review of The Episode .
Now THAT I have to read! :o

[MJZ]

Wow. That was an incredible episode. One of the best of the series, EASY.

You guys who didn't like it are out of your minds. I think the main issue people are having is that the first 20 minutes were every fan's fantasty, and it got "robbed."

This episode has profound implications, and things are going to get a helluva lot more interesting from here on out. Throw me in with Zing and Hulk. :up:

[Sawyer]

Um, WTF? Oh not about the death cause he was my first guess, but what was with Lois in the water with the stereo, I mean they did it but didnt talk about it at all. What the hell was the point of it? But anyway, I liked the last five minutes, VERY dramatic. Good Music, it had everything goin on. I really hope that Lionel doesnt try to make a move on Martha, but if he does I hope Clark smacks him around good.

[muscaremy]

Wow. That was an incredible episode. One of the best of the series, EASY.

You guys who didn't like it are out of your minds. I think the main issue people are having is that the first 20 minutes were every fan's fantasty, and it got "robbed."

This episode has profound implications, and things are going to get a helluva lot more interesting from here on out. Throw me in with Zing and Hulk. :up:

dont forget me im just not as good with words as them

[NotFadeAway]

Speaking of baldy, I wouldn't mind seeing Helen Bryce resurface.

[Superman4ever]

lol I know.....I didnt know so many hated Lana. I mean she certainly isnt my favorite character on the show. But....damn?

I used to love the hell out of her, but 5 years of her whining and this endless drag-on of "tension" by the show and its creators is silly.

Now, for me, it's Chloe and Clark; she obviously still loves him...I say go for it! Chloe has been so amazing, especially, since she found out. Just like Pete.

Let forgetful Lana and Lex end up together.

Seriously, how many times does Clark need to save the ***** for her to have a little sympathy and understanding for Clark? It really boils me when she nags the sanity out of him, and us, without even throwing him a line of support. She confides in Lex and, as in the last episode, was willing to die for him when he took a bullet for her, but how many bullets did Clark take for Lana in “Extinction”? However, she thanked Lex, but what did good ‘ol Clark get from her at the end of “Extinction”? More nagging.

It’s a silly and forced cycle and I’ve been tired of it. If this show didn’t have anything to do with Superman, I would have left a LONG time ago!

[user123456789]

You guys who didn't like it are out of your minds. I think the main issue people are having is that the first 20 minutes were every fan's fantasty, and it got "robbed."

pretty much. other than that the episode was fantastic. can't wait to re-watch it

[Kane]

Throw me in with Zing and Hulk.

I think Zing is from a Power Rangers board.

[avidreader]

Yuck! I Hated That.

[DarthSkywalker]

Wow. That was an incredible episode. One of the best of the series, EASY.

You guys who didn't like it are out of your minds. I think the main issue people are having is that the first 20 minutes were every fan's fantasty, and it got "robbed."

This episode has profound implications, and things are going to get a helluva lot more interesting from here on out. Throw me in with Zing and Hulk. :up:

The first 20 were terrible and that is the problem. Everything after the Lex confrontation rocked. Problem is that the second half was to obvious. Still it was easily done, and it was played rather well.

[LostSon88]

Wow. An amazing and tragic episode.

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad I stayed spoiler free for this episode. I was on the edge of my seat the entire episode wondering who it was gonna be. First Lana, then a hint of Lois (which confused the hell outta me), then finally Jonathan--actually for a minute there, I thought Lionel was gonna die too (again, on the edge of my seat). Then the last 15 minutes, I was nearly speechless. From when Jonathan walked out of the barn to his funeral, I almost couldn't speak. My only reaction to when Jonathan closed his eyes for the last time was "Oh, man..."

-LIONEL MUST DIE! (least by the end of this season) what the hell was he doing at the funeral? He had no business being there.

Sorry, if I sound so angry...it's just ya' know after you grow attached to these characters for 5 years sometimes you can't help but get emotional...

Overall, a solid 9.5/10 on my scale (-.5 for the teasing of Lois)

EDIT: Oh, and so I take it that Superman's spinning around the globe in SM:The Movie is considered canon in the Smallville universe?

[Kane]

I cant waaaait to watch this episode so I can review it.

[NotFadeAway]

AS I said in another thread just a moment ago, no one seems to mention that " fate's " second choice was Lois Lane.......going after Clark's present and future love interests.

[muscaremy]

all these people sayin they want to watch again.... i think ill do so right now...

too bad damn tvs and vcrs dont record in high def

[Kane]

AS I said in another thread just a moment ago, no one seems to mention that " fate's " second choice was Lois Lane.......going after Clark's present and future love interests.


Dr Fate was in this episode??

[DarthSkywalker]

AS I said in another thread just a moment ago, no one seems to mention that " fate's " second choice was Lois Lane.......going after Clark's present and future love interests.

No not the case. If it was it wouldn't have been stopped twice. Fate choice the guy with heart problems.

[user123456789]

Wow. An amazing and tragic episode.

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad I stayed spoiler free for this episode. I was on the edge of my seat the entire episode wondering who it was gonna be. First Lana, then a hint of Lois (which confused the hell outta me), then finally Jonathan--actually for a minute there, I thought Lionel was gonna die too (again, on the edge of my seat). Then the last 15 minutes, I was nearly speechless. From when Jonathan walked out of the barn to his funeral, I almost couldn't speak. My only reaction to when Jonathan closed his eyes for the last time was "Oh, man..."

-LIONEL MUST DIE! (least by the end of this season) what the hell was he doing at the funeral? He had no business being there.

Sorry, if I sound so angry...it's just ya' know after you grow attached to these characters for 5 years sometimes you can't help but get emotional...

Overall, a solid 9.5/10 on my scale (-.5 for the teasing of Lois)

at first glance, we may see it as a teasing of lois, but i think you missed something..

before the 'restart', lana was there to catch lois because clark confessed.

after the 'restart', lana was NOT there because clark did NOT confess.

it was fate that lois was going to fall. i think once we sit back and analyze the episode, its always clear she was never meant to die, or serve as a 'decoy' for fans until pa kent really died.

[user123456789]

all these people sayin they want to watch again.... i think ill do so right now...

too bad damn tvs and vcrs dont record in high def

if you have a broadband connection just download the episodes. they come out 24-48 hours after it premieres.

[Serene]

I'm quoting Hulk's post from that other thread, but putting the response here.. just because I want to. :p
Lionle wouldve most likely left after a while and not shown him that photo, which i assume was of Clark's ship, that made him so PO'ed

You know.. at first that's what I assumed as well, that it *has* to be a Clark-related picture. But, after rewatching the ep, Lionel's dialogue leads me to suspect that it's something Martha related.

He says, "Don't forget, you and I have a common interest. One that.. uh.. (looks at picture) both of us would protect with our lives. I have nothing but respect for a man that would hurl himself into the spotlight with such a dangerous secret to protect."

It seems almost a gimme that it would be a pic of the spaceship.. but I guess it could be. Maybe Martha has a few skeletons in her closet?

[DarthSkywalker]

Wonder how much of a call girl Martha was back in the day... or even now. I mean she did jump into that car.

[Superman4ever]

Well, I'm a fan and I'm very pleased. I've been very pleased with Season 5 all together. The simple truth is you cannot please every rabid fanboy out there because people have different views and intrepretations of the character. Many fanboys want it to be the comic books. It's not and it's not meant to be that way. It's a story to tell with television as the best format to tell it in. And for all the people comparing it to the movies and comic books all got it wrong. It is its own dynasty. It tell its own story with the core concepts of Superman and I'm always enjoyed with what they bring. I think the actors have gotten exceptionally good and the stories just keep getting better. I'm a huge fan of the comic books, movies, and Smallville. I consider myself a huge fanboy. But I look at Smallville as it's own beast and it rocks.

I thought Reckoning was really good. It brought up the point made in the movie("All those powers and I couldn't save him.") and expanded the whole idea of him messing with fate and thats what the episode was about. It underlined that the choices he makes is what makes him a hero. He saved Lana's life and I think Jonathan Kent was going to die anyway. The one who was supposed to die because of Lana being saved was Lois. Jonathan Kent's heart was failing anyway. This episode will have a huge impact on the future of this season and the future respectively. How will Clark deal with his grief and depression? What a way to spin the last episodes of the season.

Awesome post! :up:

[Frodo]

Hey Guys, I thought the Episode was great myself . I am a bit bummed to see John go but it's not unexpected . To tell you the truth I would have prefered Lana get the ax for storytelling purposes. Nothing against Kristen , she's amazingly beautiful but I think her character has kinda been going in circles for the past few years . My hope is that Clark will shut Lana out and She will get with Lex. That's more intresting IMO then Lana and Clark. I'm still wondering what's gonna happen to Chole . Jor El said there will be one more trial . Will Chole figuare into that somehow?

[Superfan]

Ok, first off let me say that all these bozos saying this episode was bad and horible are completely out of the minds!!!

Great episode this was!!! It didnt actually air here until 11pm eastern time as we dont have the WB, we have UPN, so it airs on UPN at 11pm. But leading up to 11pm, I read these boards to see what happened.

I saw everyone talking about this alternate reality that the time crystal created, and I feared it would just be this cheap tack on at the end of the epiode to "fix" things all neatly. Boy was I wrong.

I never dreamed that it all would play out like Back to the Future Part II. To see the same events take place, all happening slightly diffrently etc. WHat a great way to do it I must say!!!!!

ABout the deaths. I thought BOTH deaths were handled BRILLIANTLY. Clarks reactions to Lana's death was GUT wrenching. ANd the way Jonathan died at the very end was....wow. The encounter between he and Lionel was chilling and erie at the same time. ANd the way he colapsed was also VERY erie. Not an image I will forget too soon. ANd MArtha immediate reaction was also heartbreaking. (also I cant believe that Lionel seems to know Clarks secret and no one in here seems to care much about that, only to ***** about the events that happened that they didnt want to happen. Talk about letting expectations getting the best of you)

Anyways, this was an AWESOME AWESOME episode, that will go down in smallville history. It ranks right up there as one of the better ones, no doubt.

[Superman4ever]

Wonder how much of a call girl Martha was back in the day... or even now. I mean she did jump into that car.

We were kidding about that too...who knows ;)

[muscaremy]

damn looks like i have to go get myself a broadband connection

[Superman4ever]

Ok, first off let me say that all these bozos saying this episode was bad and horible are completely out of the minds!!!

Great episode this was!!! It didnt actually air here until 11pm eastern time as we dont have the WB, we have UPN, so it airs on UPN at 11pm. But leading up to 11pm, I read these boards to see what happened.

I saw everyone talking about this alternate reality that the time crystal created, and I feared it would just be this cheap tack on at the end of the epiode to "fix" things all neatly. Boy was I wrong.

I never dreamed that it all would play out like Back to the Future Part II. To see the same events take place, all happening slightly diffrently etc. WHat a great way to do it I must say!!!!!

ABout the deaths. I thought BOTH deaths were handled BRILLIANTLY. Clarks reactions to Lana's death was GUT wrenching. ANd the way Jonathan died at the very end was....wow. The encounter between he and Lionel was chilling and erie at the same time. ANd the way he colapsed was also VERY erie. Not an image I will forget too soon. ANd MArtha immediate reaction was also heartbreaking. (also I cant believe that Lionel seems to know Clarks secret and no one in here seems to care much about that, only to ***** about the events that happened that they didnt want to happen. Talk about letting expectations getting the best of you)

Anyways, this was an AWESOME AWESOME episode, that will go down in smallville history. It ranks right up there as one of the better ones, no doubt.

You whole post = :up:

[Serene]

Arent you saying the same thing over and over?

No, I don't believe so.
Ironically, I only looked at your post because I thought that several of the yahoos posting in here tonight are even more annoying than you, so I'd take you off ignore. But since you feel the need to criticize my posts behind my back.. I've reconsidered.

Now, for me, it's Chloe and Clark; she obviously still loves him...I say go for it!

That would require Clark to actually have feelings beyond friendship for Chloe. Have you actually watched any of the previous episodes? :confused: Chloe *finally* isn't being defined solely by her unrequited Clark-lusting.

Seriously, how many times does Clark need to save the ***** for her to have a little sympathy and understanding for Clark? It really boils me when she nags the sanity out of him, and us, without even throwing him a line of support.

Again, I'm not sure what show you've been watching. So.. the ***** loves the guy enough to want to marry him, after finally finding out, after 5 years of him hiding things from her.. that he's an alien. But she has no sympathy or understanding?
Sometimes.. to understand a character's motivations, it's necessary to look at things from their point of view. It's really a neat trick, you should try it sometime.

[DarthSkywalker]

We were kidding about that too...who knows ;)

That is what i thought of though as i was watching it. I actually think that is where they are heading with this. That or it was something on Lana and Lex. But i doubt it.

[Zing79]

Wow. That was an incredible episode. One of the best of the series, EASY.

You guys who didn't like it are out of your minds. I think the main issue people are having is that the first 20 minutes were every fan's fantasty, and it got "robbed."

This episode has profound implications, and things are going to get a helluva lot more interesting from here on out. Throw me in with Zing and Hulk. :up:
Damn straight they are -- and they already did IN this episode.
This is what happens on repeat viewings when you just enjoy things for what they are instead of anticipating things you expect to see. People need to re-watch the episode again. When they say things aren’t going to be the same, they really mean it. Listen to what Jor-El tells Clark in the fortress.

“You knew a life would be exchanged for yours”
….
Clark: You have to let me fix it
“Your powers on earth may seem extra-ordinary Kal-El, but WE are not gods”
….
“There is one trial you have yet to experience…but you must heed my warning. The tide of fate is impossible to stop, even if you are able to alter one course of events, the universe will find a balance.”

Seriously, since when has Jor-El ever sounded so logical to ‘us’? He’s far closer to what people want him to be after this episode.
Jor-El tells him neither of them are Gods. In essence he came down from his cloud and put himself on Clark’s level.
Jor-El may have saved Clark, but he knew the universe would balance that out (HE’S not taking this life, so much as he knows the Universe is going to pony up for that trick).
Jor-El saved the most important trial for last – that Clark will not be able to save everyone, no matter what either of them do.
The best part?? Jor-El let CLARK decide on his own what to do!!! Jonathan earlier in the episode told Clark he was a man, and Jor-El is mirroring him. He's showing the kind of faith in his son he hadn't shown before

There are soooo many profound instances (like the ones above) sprinkled through the show -- you really have to watch it over and over, and think about what they mean in the long term.

[Zing79]

I think Zing is from a Power Rangers board.
I'm not sayin nothin! ;)

[Serene]

Holy crapola! This is what happens on repeat viewings when you just enjoy things for what they are instead of anticipating things you expect to see. People need to re-watch the episode again.
<snip>
There are soooo many profound instances (like the ones above) sprinkled through the show -- you really have to watch it over and over, and think about what they mean in the long term.

See? Zing knows I'm not just a ranting crazy lady. :D

Okay.. sometimes, maybe. ;)

[Superfan]

One of the things that Millar stated in an interview was that after this episode, SMallville would not be the same ever again.

Let me explain something. Every moment of every episode of Smallville from the Pilot through half of Reckoning was on the course of fate of one reality. Then in one instance tonight, the timeline scewed into an ALTERNATE reality, a reality that will remain for the remainder of the Smallville canon universe (for eternity presumably)

When they said things would never be the same after tonight, they werent kiddin....

[Mister J]

After watching the episode and then catching up on 500 posts here, I'm disappointed overall. I don't really have a problem with Lana still being alive or with JK dying, kinda saw both of those coming. I just felt the episode missed some opportunities to drive the Superman mythos along. Seems like all that "this will change everything" stuff was just major hyperbole.

If one good thing can come out of this, I hope its Clark's development beyond this whiny, insecure boy they like to portray him at times. I'm not sure what will necessitate it (just one area where they dropped the ball), but I hope that we see some form of maturation in the future Superman.

I will say that the death of JK was done very well. It was one of the few times that a character's death really played on my emotions (then again, that could have just been my disappointment on the preceeding events). It was a very powerful closing scene. The varying looks of the characters sets up some potential. It left several alleys for development. We'll see.

All in all, I feel that nothing was achieved in this episode, outside of killing off a fantastic characters. Hopefully, that perspective will change after a few episodes. :supes:

[Tron5000]

Just got to watch it on TiVo because of the Thrashers game. Must say, I really like the way the episode was done, in the way it set up certain lessons for Clark to learn. Only thing that pisses me off is that Lana doesn't know. I had a feeling there might be a mind-wipe, and I guess the back-in-time thing is pretty much the same, but I wanted her to know, dammit.

[triplet]

all these people sayin they want to watch again.... i think ill do so right now...

too bad damn tvs and vcrs dont record in high def

You shell out for a HDTV set and don't have a DVR of some kind? TiVo is your friend, my man. TiVO... :D

It totally rocks. Best invention since sliced bread, I'm serious.

[Tron5000]

^ Agreed. Without TiVo, I would've missed the hockey game tonight. Would've had to stay home for Smallville.

[muscaremy]

Damn straight they are -- and they already did IN this episode.
This is what happens on repeat viewings when you just enjoy things for what they are instead of anticipating things you expect to see. People need to re-watch the episode again. When they say things aren’t going to be the same, they really mean it. Listen to what Jor-El tells Clark in the fortress.

“You knew a life would be exchanged for yours”
….
Clark: You have to let me fix it
“Your powers on earth may seem extra-ordinary Kal-El, but WE are not gods”
….
“There is one trial you have yet to experience…but you must heed my warning. The tide of fate is impossible to stop, even if you are able to alter one course of events, the universe will find a balance.”

Seriously, since when has Jor-El ever sounded so logical to ‘us’? He’s far closer to what people want him to be after this episode.
Jor-El tells him neither of them are Gods. In essence he came down from his cloud and put himself on Clark’s level.
Jor-El may have saved Clark, but he knew the universe would balance that out (HE’S not taking this life, so much as he knows the Universe is going to pony up for that trick).
Jor-El saved the most important trial for last – that Clark will not be able to save everyone, no matter what either of them do.
The best part?? Jor-El let CLARK decide on his own what to do!!! Jonathan earlier in the episode told Clark he was a man, and Jor-El is mirroring him. He's showing the kind of faith in his son he hadn't shown before

There are soooo many profound instances (like the ones above) sprinkled through the show -- you really have to watch it over and over, and think about what they mean in the long term.


just noticed that too.. as i just finished watching that scene.... it really does help to watch it again and again

[Pickle-El]

OH man......great episode. I'll so far as to say it's as good as Rosetta.

[muscaremy]

yea i know i need tvo or dvr but wen u currently unemployed as i am its not an option

[Tron5000]

Only $5 a month, bro. You can find that in the couch cushions.

[Zing79]

just noticed that too.. as i just finished watching that scene.... it really does help to watch it again and again
I loathe doing this, because Smallville certainly isn't on this level -- but there's a reason they make you read Shakespeare in school with a group of people.

This episode -- this SERIES -- is about one man and his journey. EVERYTHING going on around that man is there to serve as a device to push him along his journey.

Most of the time this series doesn't even get CLOSE to Shakespearean themes (it’s not even on the same planet), but this isn’t one of those times. Shakespearian plays have one central theme, and everything that happens, happens in the context of the main theme. I think its safe to say we will not be agreeing on much when it comes to Smallville, if you just watched the same episode as me, and come away thinking that what just happened isn't having a MAJOR impact on the main theme of this show (presently, and moving forward into the future).

[avidreader]

Okay, I've calmed down a little bit, especially after reading Hulk and Zing's posts and even Muscles.

I think the thing that kicked my adrenal gland into overload, was Lana's mind being wiped.

However, didnt Chloe convince him that he could still tell her, but be there to save her. I'm gonna watch it again anyway.

And I just cant stand the though of Lexana, it really makes me ill. I so hope they dont take it that far.

What was presented was presented beautifully and everyone played there part well.

And Pat, I dont think it was time for Clark to take on a position at the Daily Planet, I think if a job had been offered to him then it would have been really forced. That's just my opinion.

AND TOM WELLING IS SUPERMAN.

Awesome performance.

[muscaremy]

exactly....

[Sonny]

for me, this was a powerful episode, it gave him a choice to choose his destiny, he saw what life would be like from both sides, it was a great yet eerie feeling for me. I couldn't help but to feel so sorry for clark at the end, to me, it seemed as if he was left alone by everyone in one instant, chloe, lois, lana and his mother. For me it was one of the best episodes I've seen in the series. I didn't know what to feel sad, sympathetic, angry......I'm torn about my opinion towards where lana is in regards to clark and lex. I saw in an interview ith Welling that Lex got with lana by the end of the season, I hope thats a lie. But anyway, great episode imo.

[triplet]

Some DVR's have no subscription.... you can set one up on your pc, if you have a TV tuner card that is... might be cheaper than getting a component DVR.

I've only recently gotten a job, myself, so I feel for you not working, musaremy.

[LostSon88]

You know what's funny? Lex has been drinking off and on for the past 5 years and we are just now seeing him drunk for the first time. :D

[Tron5000]

Man, even though Lana's life was exchanged for Jonathan's, I still wish she knew Clark's secret.

[muscaremy]

also a friend of my has dvr with our cable company and hes told me that sometimes the **** dont work i dunno if its his in particular or the cables service so i just stuck with tapes

[Superman4ever]

That would require Clark to actually have feelings beyond friendship for Chloe. Have you actually watched any of the previous episodes? :confused: Chloe *finally* isn't being defined solely by her unrequited Clark-lusting.

Again, I'm not sure what show you've been watching. So.. the ***** loves the guy enough to want to marry him, after finally finding out, after 5 years of him hiding things from her.. that he's an alien. But she has no sympathy or understanding?
Sometimes.. to understand a character's motivations, it's necessary to look at things from their point of view. It's really a neat trick, you should try it sometime.

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/confused/confused0077.gif

What are you watching? She's been unrelenting for years now. He's saved her life, and MANY others, time and time again, so whatever he's hiding it is not a bad thing. Ya don't think she could actually give it a break, and give him a chance, i.e. trust him for once and wait until he's ready to divulge instead of forcing him with clichés and ultimatums?

She's told Clark, countless times, that trust and truth are key, well she hasn't been very trustworthy or truthful for that matter either...cohering with Lex and such about her so-called love. Lately she’s been a contradiction unto herself. C'mon get out of your little fantasy world and wake up. Sometimes seeing something from other people’s point of view makes things that much clearer. If Lana wanted Clark to be truthful maybe she should have had a little faith in the guy.

BTW, Lana ONLY accepted Clark after she spoke with Lois, who told her that she'd be lucky to have a person as honorable as Clark one day!

And Clark couldn't have feelings for Chloe eventually...down the line? I never said it should happen, but that IF it did I would (enthusiasticlly) approve because Chloe rocks. She's been a true friend to Clark. She's the one that's been accepting of his alien roots. She isn't defined by her lust for Clark, but she still has feelings for him...if you watched the eppie you would have realized that. It was subtle, and I'm sure it flew over your nest, but that's OK!

BTW, she was never defined by her love for Clark, she was always a strong, smart, witty-go-getter that happened to like Clark, but was always out of Clark’s gaze because he was always infatuated with Lana. Now that it could be over between them he might start to see the gem/friend that she really is, and since her attributes are similar to Lois, this could be the first step to…do I need to spell it out for you? Chloe has been more fleshed out, as a character, then probably anyone character on Smallville. Now had you seen any of the previous episodes you would have seen that. Cause that hasn’t been so subtle but more a slap in the face kinda thing. So wake up!

[Zing79]

Okay, I've calmed down a little bit, especially after reading Hulk and Zing's posts and even Muscles.

I think the thing that kicked my adrenal gland into overload, was Lana's mind being wiped.

However, didnt Chloe convince him that he could still tell her, but be there to save her. I'm gonna watch it again anyway.

For the love of god will people let go of the mind wipe -- please?
Lana lives, Lana doesn’t remember. Time wipes, whatever complaint I’ve read so far. That man just learned a HARD lesson -- the hardest he’ll EVER learn. And everything going on in that episode should have re-enforced that to you. It took the combined efforts and sacrifices of Jor-El, Jonathan Kent and Lana Lang (and to a lesser extent even Clark) for him to learn that lesson.

He learned he can’t save everyone, he learned he can’t play God. He learned his powers had limits! And if you take away ANY of what happened in this episode, he would not have learned that so poignantly.

No mind wipe = equals Lana GOING to see Lois = Lois NOT getting hurt = Clark NOT at a hospital = Jonathan NOT there alone to meet Lionel = Jonathan NOT dying = Clark NOT learning he isn't a God.

The writers connected everything so well, that the catalyst for the lesson WAS him NOT telling her.

And I just cant stand the though of Lexana, it really makes me ill. I so hope they dont take it that far.

That's called kicking a man while he's down. You can't hurt someone like Clark physically, but you can crush his spirit. Watching him learn to rise above it will make him stronger.

He's NOT Superman yet (duh). He's learning things like everyone else learns them -- trial and error; experiences. How on earth do people expect him to be such a good role model when he IS Superman, if he hasn't experienced some really bad things emotionally before he gets there.

BTW -- I'm not going after you, just speaking in general to the populous. :)

[batnkevlar]

I liked it... i mean, my parents watched it with me and my sister, and me, my mom, and my sister bawled...

[avidreader]

We recorded the show on DVD and it lasted 38 minutes. I though Smallville episodes went for 42 to 43 minutes. James said something earlier about it being cut down from a 90 minute airing.

Remember in the teaser we saw Clark says to Lana "my parents didnt adopt me, they found me in a cornfield"

That was nowhere to be seen. I think there was alot cut out of that, and I'm now wondering if they are saving it for a later episode.

Probably not.

Zing you make way too much sense, and should post here more often than you do. :up:

Now I understand all the Lana dying and catching Lois, and later on Lois falling. But can someone explain that to me point by point. Cause I cant get the whole thing right in my mind. :confused:

Now I'm off to watch the episode again. Catcha's in the morning.

Oh, and Ksite have the spoilers up for Fragile and it refers to Senator Martha Kent. Looks like she does assume the position.

Zing, I just read your post and I understand the reason why everything happened the way it did, I just wanted her to know so we could get past the angst that always exists with their relationship. I hope he doesnt come out of this still pining after Lana and not being able to have her because of his secret.

[jaydawg]

I'm really disappointed in how predictable this whole thing was. You know Lana isnt going to die. You know Johnathan is going to die. Really disappointed. And frankly, they got all the mileage they could have got out of Lana. I just wish they had the balls to stick to their guns. Things would be a hell of alot more interesting if Lana actually did die and Clark was there to see a drunk Lex be responsible.

[muscaremy]

zing again i agree with everything u say but one things just been kinda naggin at me and thats mind wipe/her forgetting..... technically its more like she never finds out.... just a nagging thing really not being testy or what not

[The Hurricane]

Overall it was a good episode but this thing about Lana not knowing anymore what happened is stupid. And we know he isnt going to tell her now because lex can tell.

On another note I am happy to see that cark was flying but it could have been a big jump. I just wished there was a bigger deal that made him fly. Like an episode where he could only save someone if he could fly to get to them or something

[Superman4ever]

Now I understand all the Lana dying and catching Lois, and later on Lois falling. But can someone explain that to me point by point. Cause I cant get the whole thing right in my mind. :confused:


Lana goes to help Lois, decorate for the party, after she finds out Clark's secret and is just in time to catch Lois from stumbling and hitting her head, but the second time around Chloe stays with Lana, at Clark's request, and doesn't leave her side, and for some reason the two don't stop by Lois and hence Lois topples and no one is there to catch her. She almost is electrocuted but Clark saves her!

[O'Haire]

I just wished there was a bigger deal that made him fly. Like an episode where he could only save someone if he could fly to get to them or something

Thats how I have always wanted Lana to find out. By Clark forcing himself to fly to save her some how. I always thought that would be a great way for her to find out IMO.

[The Sage]

Can anyone tell me the name of the song that played during the funeral?

[Serene]

Ya don't think she could actually give it a break, and give him a chance, i.e. trust him for once and wait until he's ready to divulge instead of forcing him with clichés and ultimatums.
Again, I refer you to tonight's episode. No one forced Clark.. he made the conscious decision to finally share his secret with her because he could see how his continued lying to her was wrong. Chloe had a part in him finally realizing this.

She's told Clark, countless times, that trust and truth are key, well she hasn't been very trustworthy or truthful for that matter either...cohering with Lex and such about her so-called love. Lately she’s been a contradiction unto herself. You don't really want to get into comparing who's lied to who more, do you?

C'mon get out of your little fantasy world and wake up.
Dude. Look around.

And Clark couldn't have feelings for Chloe eventually...down the line? I never said it should happen, but that IF it did I would (enthusiasticlly) approve because Chloe rocks. She's been a true friend to Clark. She's the one that's been accepting of his alien roots.

I agree, Chloe rocks, and that she's a true friend. I'm pretty sure that Lana's acceptance of Clark's proposal was also an acceptance of his alien roots.. but I know, that probably doesn't count.

She isn't defined by her lust for Clark, but she still has feelings for him...if you watched the eppie you would have realized that. It was subtle, and I'm sure it flew over your nest, but that's OK!
My nest? Oookay.
And I happen to agree that Chloe still have some feelings for Clark, and like a big girl, she's come to accept that he doesn't return them. She wants Clark happy regardless, and she knows that Lana makes him happy. *That's* what makes Chloe such a great friend. She prioritizes Clark's feelings over her own.

Now had you seen any of the previous episodes you would have seen that.

Yeah.. maybe I'll watch a few.

Oh, wait... :rolleyes:

[Serene]

Can anyone tell me the name of the song that played during the funeral?
"I Grieve" by Peter Gabriel. I posted a link to it a number of pages ago.

[Zing79]

I repeat – LET.IT.GO.WITH THE “MIND WIPE”

Here’s another reason why you should do that. Lana all but made the decision for him!
Second go around, in the barn, when she’s going on and on about him and his lies, and why he won’t tell her.
Lana: “…What could be worse then losing the person that you love?”
NOTHING is his response.

He just watched his wife to be – the person he loves – DIE. He’s just seen that telling her and losing her is a real possibility.

In semi-conclusion:
1. Let it go. You’ll have ‘your day’ eventually.
2. Watch the show again, without expecting things to happen. Don’t look ahead; just pay attention to what is going on. This episode is off the chart in its writing.

[The Sage]

"I Grieve" by Peter Gabriel. I posted a link to it a number of pages ago.

Bless you dear. :)

Oh, *cheap plug alert* and visit the Words of Sage thread in the Off Topic section of The Planet. ;)


Oh, and minus the cop-out with Lana, this episode was great. :up:

[muscaremy]

again zing we on the same page here... where ya been before this.... its great to see someone who thinks like ones self...

[Superman4ever]

Again, I refer you to tonight's episode. No one forced Clark.. he made the conscious decision to finally share his secret with her because he could see how his continued lying to her was wrong. Chloe had a part in him finally realizing this.

You don't really want to get into comparing who's lied to who more, do you?

I agree, Chloe rocks, and that she's a true friend. I'm pretty sure that Lana's acceptance of Clark's proposal was also an acceptance of his alien roots.. but I know, that probably doesn't count.

My nest? Oookay.
And I happen to agree that Chloe still have some feelings for Clark, and like a big girl, she's come to accept that he doesn't return them. She wants Clark happy regardless, and she knows that Lana makes him happy. *That's* what makes Chloe such a great friend. She prioritizes Clark's feelings over her own.

Clark stated that he realized that he was losing her, and that it wouldn't have lasted more than another few weeks had he not told her. I agree that Chloe had a part in this, but so did Lana's constant nagging. I'm not in the minority on this one, most Smallvillians are tired of the endless cycle between these two...this plot-tension really has lost all relevance and is now just a repetitive nuisance! Many are complaining that this episode, which was great, was crap simply because Lana was “mind-wiped”.

You really haven't proven anything except that you agree with me so...whatever!

[Superfan]

For those claiming this the worst episode ever, let me simply remind you of Craving, Cool, Drone, Devoted, Spirit, Spell, and Safe. I think some of you need to get some perspective of the series.

[Mister J]

I think all the 'worst ever' references are exaggerations. It's just reflective of people's disappointment. There have certaintly been worse episodes.

[The Hurricane]

I think all the 'worst ever' references are exaggerations. It's just reflective of people's disappointment. There have certaintly been worse episodes.
Yeah.. was a good episode but it isnt what we wanted out of it. It all ends on bad notes.

[The Sage]

Well I'm gonna be gone for the weekend, so I'll just drop these before I go. And I hope these are good for you Hulk. Otherwise hit me up next week.

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[Mister J]

Yeah.. was a good episode but it isnt what we wanted out of it. It all ends on bad notes.

I'm just stuck on how it seems that nothing's changed...outside of Jonathan dying. I really hope we see some development in Clark moving toward what we all know he's destined for. Speed it up, already. It's been 4 1/2 years.

[Serene]

I'm not in the minority on this one, most Smallvillians are tired of the endless cycle between these two...this plot-tension really has lost all relevance and is now just a repetitive nuisance! Many are complaining that this episode, which was great, was crap simply because Lana was “mind-wiped”.

You really haven't proven anything except that you agree with me so...whatever!

I find that a very confusing (and disturbing) thing for you to say. I'll just write it off with the rest of your comments though.

Oh, and kill me before I ever refer to myself as a "Smallvillian."


Awesome caps, Sage.. Thanks for posting them :)

[The Sage]

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[The Sage]

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[muscaremy]

ok whats kreuk standing on cuz she look too tall there

[The Sage]

ok whats kreuk standing on cuz she look too tall there

Could it be...a hill since they live in the country and are in a cemetery...or a some snow since it is snowing. You know, simple stuff like that that can be noted with common sense. :p

[The Hurricane]

Whats the bet Lional and Ms kent might get it on later down the track.

[muscaremy]

i dunno cuz shes standing right next to tom plus i was just sayin

[Mister J]

Let's really hope that doesn't happen.

[The Hurricane]

What do you thinks in the picture?