Reckoning Discussion Thread (100th episode, Spoilers)

[Colossal Spoons]

So for the record; Clark did "fly" tonight? I remember that screw job with the rocket and people saying that it was a "super-jump". Same with the time he "ran" up that tornado to save Lana.

[MJZ]

So for the record; Clark did "fly" tonight? I remember that screw job with the rocket and people saying that it was a "super-jump". Same with the time he "ran" up that tornado to save Lana.

Well, whatever it was, for our purposes, it's a Smallville Flight, i.e. getting the same effect w/o explicitly doing so...

[avidreader]

Well I watched it a second time and without feeling the anxiousness of anticipation I enjoyed it so much more.

You know I think that this is the first time throughout the course of the series that I have actually felt just how enormous the responsibility of Clark's powers are. I think this episode tonight did a great job in conveying that.

Whilst I was disappointed that he chose not to tell Lana the second time around, because it worries me as to what direction they will take her character from here, I can possibly see her finding out on her own a little farther down the track.

I know this is all leading to why he chooses dual identities but it makes me feel a little worried for him that he still thinks that he cant have a relationship with a woman.

And if this is the end of the Clark/Lana romantic relationship, I really want to see them become best friends as I think she has alot to offer him with regards to his future.

Did anyone notice that Jonathan is in the trailer for next week's episode? It looks like a flashback to when Clark was a little boy.

I stll dont get the Lana dying/saving Lois, Lana living/Clark saving Lois/Jonathan dying thing, but maybe one of my IM buddies will explain it to me.

[Red]

WOOP!, best episode all season!

[Michael Corleone]

I repeat – LET.IT.GO.WITH THE “MIND WIPE”

Here’s another reason why you should do that. Lana all but made the decision for him!
Second go around, in the barn, when she’s going on and on about him and his lies, and why he won’t tell her.
Lana: “…What could be worse then losing the person that you love?”
NOTHING is his response.

He just watched his wife to be – the person he loves – DIE. He’s just seen that telling her and losing her is a real possibility.

In semi-conclusion:
1. Let it go. You’ll have ‘your day’ eventually.
2. Watch the show again, without expecting things to happen. Don’t look ahead; just pay attention to what is going on. This episode is off the chart in its writing.


Can't sleep and thought id pop back on here for a few. After relaxing and collecting my thoughts I have a few things to say.

First off....The show was good...not great. Certainly not the "off the chart" in writing. Good writing for smallville? Obsolutely. But there are still some problems that well really dont count because they have plagued the show from the start.

Second...Yes the events should have major effects on the characters. The real question is will the writers make this clear. With the past track record with their own continuity I can understand why some people on here would be a little upset.

Third....The show did feel rushed. I don't really put fault on this because they did a damn good job with what time they had; however, I did feel there were more commercials for this broadcast. I think this hurt the tension they were trying to build up in the show. If it is true that they will have an extended version on the dvd then Im sure it will help this problem.

Last....Reading the past post.....The door swings both ways people. It seems everyone either loves it or hates it. But it's not really fair for some to say "let it go" when some of you(not specifically you Zing just using an example) are just doing the exact opposite. Let them vent...they're just doing the same thing everyone else is doing on here. Just as the ones singing its praises should be allowed to do so. It's a forum folks...this is what happens.

I'm not badmouthing the episode...and I'm not totally happy with it. I'm just trying to grasp an objective view of it. It's certainly the best this season. The whole series? Eh I don't know...I'd have to rewatch some others to get an idea. I think the real question I have is. They've raised the bar considerably. Will they be able to continue this level or are we going to fall back into a formulatic style that they have had before? I think they can. I think they have a real chance here to show the other networks and other shows that they really are a contender.

[avidreader]

And that was definitely flying. I'd say he's been practising up in the igloo for a little while now.l

[Michael Corleone]

Just so you don't think I'm dogging on it and just complaining I figured I should post some things that I thought worked really well.

1. The flight. Yes that's what it was. NOT a jump. The look on Lana's face was exactly what I wanted it to be. Kristen's acting stepped up a notch for me. When she touched Clarks face in the fortress I got a sense that she truely cares for him.

2. Tom's performance is hands down the best he has ever done. This episode really tested his ability as an actor and he came thru. The scene at the crash had me going. Both him and John really made that work.

3. Lex. As usual he does his thing but there was something I can't quite put my finger on. He was just really great.

4. The scene with Clark and Martha before the funeral was wonderful. My father has a heart problem that he has suffered with for years so I guess it hit closer to home but still just great work all around.

5. The F/X as usual were damn good. However, when they were headed to the fortress I had to hold back a chuckle because I thought.."hey they're in the stargate!" Not a bad thing...just made me smile.

Like I said it was good but I suppose Im a little suspicious because of past stories and how they worked out. I hope they prove me wrong.

[Mister J]

Who knew the FOS had upper levels like that.

[avidreader]

From K site

Al Gough Talks About The Smallville Death
Last week, we interviewed Executive Producer Alfred Gough (http://www.kryptonsite.com/gough0106.htm) in anticipation of Smallville's 100th episode, which aired on January 26. Now that the episode has passed, we have a few follow-up questions, where Gough talks about the decision to kill Jonathan Kent and has some kind words to say for actor John Schneider:
KRYPTONSITE: Was it always part of the plan to kill Jonathan Kent in the 100th episode?
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER ALFRED GOUGH: It's part of the mythology. We had talked about other characters, but it just seemed that as we were going into Season Five, this is the year the boy becomes the man, so at some point the mentor/father figure has to die, in order for Clark to ultimately step up and really embrace his destiny. Nobody can buffer or shield him anymore from these things. He's got to take it on for himself.
K-SITE: Do you have any words to say about John Schneider and his performance as Jonathan Kent?
GOUGH: He's a terrific actor. He's a total TV star, of which there are very few. He's a guy we always wanted to cast on the show, the first time we came in and met him. I think he completely embodies the qualities of Jonathan Kent. The strengths, and a kindess, but there's a fight in him as well, and I think you can see all these things in Clark. And he's obviously a parent who, in his own life, deeply cares about his kids, and I think that translated onto the screen. He just brought a real warmth and authenticity to the role. And when we broke the news, he took it like a pro, and was very dignified, and he understood, and understands the nature of doing a television series, and he's a great guy, and I'm sure he will now go on and star in another hit show. Like I said, he's a complete TV star, and there are very few of them.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/deadjon.jpgK-SITE: Some photos had leaked a few weeks ago of Clark taking a dead Jonathan's body to the Fortress of Solitude, but that scene was absent from the final cut. What happened there?
GOUGH: We just felt it was too much. It was something that sounded great on paper, but ultimately it seemed a little awkward and a little morbid. It felt like a little bit of a stutter step in the episode. You'd already seen it once when he brought Lana, and it's not like he brought Lana's body there. I think some of it was the staging, and some of it was just - you didn't need to see that scene again.
To read our review with Al Gough from last week, click here (http://www.kryptonsite.com/gough0106.htm).

[jusblaze21]

Nice, article, kinda of makes me feel better about his death.But i like wat john kent brought to the show.

[Mister J]

There's a big hole there concerning maturity, responsibility and sense of family/commitment. It's a really big opportunity for CK to take a step or two forward. Something good has got to come out of this. JK was awesome...and did you see that hook he threw at Lionel?

Down goes Luthor!
Down goes Luthor!
Down goes Luthor!

[spideyboy_1111]

i loved the episode... but it was hella predicatble...

[GarudA]

i loved the episode... but it was hella predicatble...

I agree about it been VERY predictable, but did not like the episode that much, it was like I knew what was already gonna happen so no shock factor at all.

[Sith-Lord]

O.K...I live in the U.K so this episode is waaaaay off but quite frankly I cannot wait! So just a couple of questions for everyone who's seen it.

* How does Pa Kent die exactly?
* What was the fight between him and Lionel about? And what is Lionel doing at the funeral?
* It seems everyone around here is taking about "Time-Travel." Let me guess Lana sd forgot Clarks secret and Lex cant remember seeing Clark "Super-Speed" in front of him. Am I right?

Thanks. :up:

[Morg]

O.K...I live in the U.K so this episode is waaaaay off but quite frankly I cannot wait! So just a couple of questions for everyone who's seen it.

* How does Pa Kent die exactly?
* What was the fight between him and Lionel about? And what is Lionel doing at the funeral?
* It seems everyone around here is taking about "Time-Travel." Let me guess Lana sd forgot Clarks secret and Lex cant remember seeing Clark "Super-Speed" in front of him. Am I right?

Thanks. :up:


J. Kent died of a heart attack
The fight with Lionel and Jonathan was about a picture, no clue what it was but rumors thinks it's Clark spaceship or something about Clark as for Lionel being at the funeral, beats me. The Kents didn't know Lionel was there(the barn fighting with Pa Kent) so they have no clue he was partly caused Pa Kent death.
Yep neither Lana or Lex have no memory of the previous timeline only Clark, Chloe(because Clark told her) and Martha

[Sith-Lord]

Ah so the fight between them caused the heart attack!? Thanks MORG. :)

[Morg]

Ah so the fight between them caused the heart attack!? Thanks MORG. :)

Think it was more then that, stress, anger(at Lionel trying to blackmail Jonathan) and the fight I would say

[Sith-Lord]

So did Lionel see JK have the heart attack and leave him or did it happen after he had left :confused:

[Morg]

So did Lionel see JK have the heart attack and leave him or did it happen after he had left :confused:


after Lionel left the barn

[Sith-Lord]

Ah. O.K thanks a lot. Much appreciated...Hell only another 9 weeks!

[Pixiedust]

I think the problem people are having with this episode is that their focus is in the wrong place. This episode was *never* intended to be about Lana knowing (and remembering) Clark's secret. This wasn't an episode about Lana. It was an episode about Clark and a very hard lesson that he would have to learn.

Listen to what Jor-el was trying to teach him in the Fortress. There is a balance in nature. For every action there is a reaction. For every cause there is an effect.

Zing brilliantly listed the things that changed as a result of Clark's do-over. Although Clark thinks Lana is his destiny,the woman that he is destined to marry (Lois) almost died as a result of his decision to turn back time.

Every choice has a consequence and he has to realize that every choice he will make as Superman can potentially change any number of events for the good or the bad. This is a theme that has been played over and over. His father has taught him how to make the good choices in life. The right choices even if they aren't the easy choices. Now his father is gone so he must step up and be the man his father has raised him to be.

There are some who say there was no resolution to this episode. I don't think there was supposed to be an easily wrapped up outcome to this episode. These events start him on his destiny to be Superman.

It's not about Lana and whether or not she knows; it's about Clark and how they make him the "super" man he will become. These themes will play out through the rest of the series.

I think we'll see the beginning of them in Vengeance. Think back to Rogue. His father taught him that no matter how angry he gets, no matter how much someone deserves to be punished, he cannot make that ultimate call. "Why is my dad dead and you're not." I think he's going to step up and teach that vengeance has to be meted out with justice. Isn't that one of the things that Superman stands for?

Everything is going to change. Clark is about to step up and become the man who will one day deserve the title of Superman. That's what the 100th episode was about.

As for Tom's performance, he killed me. Broke my heart into itty bitty pieces. He's never been better or more Supermanly. Ma Kent broke my heart in equal measures. One of the things that I have always loved about Smallville is the Kent family relationship. Now Jonathan is gone an d a vital link in that chain is missing. But like Jonathan said, they have each other and that's what makes them strong. That's what I have always loved and Jonathan will be sorely missed by me.

Would this ep have been better if they'd had more time? Probably. But they took what they could get in and hit all the right notes and I think it sets up the rest of the series up for a super ride.

[Morg]

Ah. O.K thanks a lot. Much appreciated...Hell only another 9 weeks!


can't DL it into your pc?

[rumpuso]

I am completely amazed at the negativity on this board. And I suspect a lot of disappointement derives from all of our obsessive tendency to speculate and deliberate for 100+ pages prior to the episode airing. However, in my opinion, Reckoning had to have been one of Smallville's most powerful episodes to date. We saw the story of Clark/Superman's greatest tragedy...that no matter what he does or how much time passes, in the end he will be the last one standing. I must have cried buckets last night that this beautiful soul had to sacrifice the love of his life so that she could live. Lana may never know the hows or the whys of Clark clamming up on her, and that is tragic in itself. She is blessed with the love of one of the kindest persons, and sadly she'll never understand the full extent of that. Tragic for Clark ... yes. But also, so very tragic for Lana.

Tom killed me last night. His devastation was clear in his body language completely. He *felt* from the inside out in this episode and it moved me to tears. The grief at Lana's accident site and his desperate plea with Jor-el really pulled at my heart strings. But when Clark had the talk with Martha before the funeral and then ended the discussion by helping his mom with her pearl necklace, I lost my battle for composure. They both played that scene perfectly.

The mystery of the picture that Lionel was holding over Jonathan's head will come back to haunt Martha, I presume. Mel and I rewound the shot when Lionel pulled the picture out of his briefcase and it looked to us as if it was the shape of Braniac's ship. How that relates directly back to Clark in Lionel's mind still remains to be resolved. I wonder if someone would be kind enough to screen cap that shot??

The funeral was a perfect depiction of Clark's grief. He was surrounded by friends. Lana held his hand. But he and and his mother stood apart from eachother as they each tried to come to grips with the loss of the single most important individual in both their lives. Martha and Clark connected through their final glance after everyone walked off, but in the end there was only Clark, left alone in a place he will find himself visiting time and time again throughout the course of his life. No hand holding, or backward glances will put a bandaid on the boy who stands alone. And that is the tragedy that is Superman. The kindest soul, with the bleakest future.

Reckoning to me, was the perfect set up for the rest of the series. And it was supremely powerful in each message that it delivered.

(However, there were far too many commercials).

[The Sage]

F*** you magic time crystal! :mad:

That's one of my few gripes with this episode. Obviously a nod to STM, but that pulled me out of the episode. Jor-El says they aren't gods, but pulls out a time crystal. Other thing that I felt was weird or forced was the Lionel/Jonathan scene. I hope it isn't forgotten or anything. It felt as if that scene was put in purely for the sake of causing Kent's heart attack failure and felt awkward. Besides that, I thought it was a great episode.

[byung76]

I think the episode was alright, I only wonder if Clark is going to get the nerve to show his powers and ask Lana to marry him again!!!!!

[Mike_D202]

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1001/045vz.gif

thats flying if i ever saw it. the fortress of solitude was AMAZING. its enormous!

cant wait for next week's episode. looks like clark is gonna find out the difference between vigilante dark justice and true justice.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I love Smallville to death and I am a huge fan of the show but this time they really pissed me off I am sick and tired of them always saying "this time lana finds out the truth" only to make her forget. I mean come on now for once in a long time now the show did something right and then they went and ****ed it all up. Though I do like how his dad died but its messed up that they keep doing stuff like that then copping out.

[The Sage]

I love Smallville to death and I am a huge fan of the show but this time they really pissed me off I am sick and tired of them always saying "this time lana finds out the truth" only to make her forget. I mean come on now for once in a long time now the show did something right and then they went and ****ed it all up. Though I do like how his dad died but its messed up that they keep doing stuff like that then copping out.

Yeah I really didn't like that either.

But now the circle is complete. It's like ROTS in the SW series.

[NHawk19]

I honestly have mixed emotions on this episode. We talked and debated everything to death so expectations for me were running pretty high. Was this a good ep? Yes. Does it move the story? Yes for Clark, Martha, and Chloe; No for almost everyone else.

Those first 20 minutes were killer. He flew yea he did bar none. Lana knew, There was the potential for huge implications for Lex. It was great.

Then they rewind with a magic crystal from the FOS. We've all stated at one time or another the I forgot angle was poorly done. In this instance it fit Clark made a choice to save Lana not knowing those implications. In doing so he saved Lana, and Lois from doom, but didnt even think that someone else would have to balance his save of Lois.

Things I liked:

The first 20 mins. Gawd would that have pushed the show to it's limits.

Things I really didnt care for:

We're back to square one for Lana. She's in the dark and staying that way

The writers to me anyway seem to want to make Lex almost a victim of circumstance. Clark chose not to tell Lana and now Lex is the bad guy to him because his choice drove him to her. Doesn't fly with me Clark should be angry with himself.

No other implications were setup. Johnathan was the ultimate end. What about Chloe, Martha, Pete, any of the Freaks Clark has battled. They all know and could have just as easily suffered as JK.

JK's death seemed out of place. In the end yes he was defending his family when he started into his heart attack but it just seemed rather anti-climatic.

To those who say that without the spoilers JK would have been a shock. I have to say no they've been setting this up since Jor-El gave him powers in season 3.

Also, I know loosing a farther will have huge ramifications in Clark's life going forward. However, there are other storylines and people that could stand a push not just Clark. Seems like the writers wasted an oppurtunity to push those others and really take the show someplace new. As it stands now I cant see any of the major changes for the show (not Clark) the producers were hyping.

Oh and one last thing. . . . .Where was that magic time crystal when Clark was shot? :confused:

[Ultimate_Superman]

How is the circle complete. each and everytime they say Lana will find out they make here forget. Its just plain old and tired now. At first it was okay but now they always say it and its just dumb. They did everything right with that part and then took it all away. I mean he could have still told her after his dad died but no they didn't want that. They are really letting me down where it counts.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I honestly have mixed emotions on this episode. We talked and debated everything to death so expectations for me were running pretty high. Was this a good ep? Yes. Does it move the story? Yes for Clark, Martha, and Chloe; No for almost everyone else.

Those first 20 minutes were killer. He flew yea he did bar none. Lana knew, There was the potential for huge implications for Lex. It was great.

Then they rewind with a magic crystal from the FOS. We've all stated at one time or another the I forgot angle was poorly done. In this instance it fit Clark made a choice to save Lana not knowing those implications. In doing so he saved Lana, and Lois from doom, but didnt even think that someone else would have to balance his save of Lois.

Things I liked:

The first 20 mins. Gawd would that have pushed the show to it's limits.

Things I really didnt care for:

We're back to square one for Lana. She's in the dark and staying that way

The writers to me anyway seem to want to make Lex almost a victim of circumstance. Clark chose not to tell Lana and now Lex is the bad guy to him because his choice drove him to her. Doesn't fly with me Clark should be angry with himself.

No other implications were setup. Johnathan was the ultimate end. What about Chloe, Martha, Pete, any of the Freaks Clark has battled. They all know and could have just as easily suffered as JK.

JK's death seemed out of place. In the end yes he was defending his family when he started into his heart attack but it just seemed rather anti-climatic.

To those who say that without the spoilers JK would have been a shock. I have to say no they've been setting this up since Jor-El gave him powers in season 3.

Also, I know loosing a farther will have huge ramifications in Clark's life going forward. However, there are other storylines and people that could stand a push not just Clark. Seems like the writers wasted an oppurtunity to push those others and really take the show someplace new. As it stands now I cant see any of the major changes for the show (not Clark) the producers were hyping.thank you good review I have to agree the first 20min were the best I have seen Smallville ever do in a story about Lana and Clark that is. Then they undid all that stuff.:mad:

[Mike_D202]

so in other words Tony, you just want Lana to find out?

[NHawk19]

^^There is no complete circle and Lana just becomes another waste of time if Clark doesnt do something to compensate. I know he loves her enough to marry her and all which is why he doesnt want to tell her but just as Jor-El said another balance was found. She's in no more or less danger than mom Pete and Chloe.

[musclesforsupes]

Guys I dont think he was flying, that was more of a superjump.

Also seems like there is still alot of anger here from all you regarding this episode. I just dont understand.

[The Sage]

Missed a couple.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/8320/vlcsnap54461608by.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-5445257.jpg

[The Sage]

^^There is no complete circle and Lana just becomes another waste of time if Clark doesnt do something to compensate. I know he loves her enough to marry her and all which is why he doesnt want to tell her but just as Jor-El said another balance was found. She's in no more or less danger than mom Pete and Chloe.

You don't get what I meant, hehe. Don't worry about it.

[triplet]

I love Smallville to death and I am a huge fan of the show but this time they really pissed me off I am sick and tired of them always saying "this time lana finds out the truth" only to make her forget. I mean come on now for once in a long time now the show did something right and then they went and ****ed it all up. Though I do like how his dad died but its messed up that they keep doing stuff like that then copping out.

You need to go back a page and read Pixie's take on this...

She made the point that this episode wasn't really about Lana finding out, although I was disappointed that the time travel rumors were true initially, I think I agree with Pixie. The episode ultimately wasn't about that.

It was about Clark making choices and learning to live with the consequences of his actions.

The huge consequence for him saving Lana and NOT telling her was that he would lose her but that she had a better chance at living. He told Chloe that. Her life would always be in danger if she were with him. It's one of the reasons he had never told her to begin with. The accident proved that he was right in fearing for her were she to know.

The second time in the loft, Clark realized that he couldn't tell her.

He realized that he really would do anything to save her, including walking away from her. That's painful and tragic for him.

Truly sad but he's convinced that his sacrifice is worth it if it saves her life.

Poor Clark.


And oh, did Tom totally rock in this episode or what?

When he found Lana at the crash... it was devastating to watch. And the scene between Clark and Martha... so sad and amazing.

Annette O'Toole was fantastic in that scene too. Wow... Just. Wow.

And I don't know what that one reviewer was smoking. Kristin did a wonderful job too, it was probably her best work to date in the series.

Everyone did great and I guess the Magnificent Bastard is truly back. Lionel is NOT still channeling Jor-El.

I would LOVE to know what the hell was in that photo that made Jonathan so angry... I suppose we'll find out eventually.

Awesome episode.

[NHawk19]

Guys I dont think he was flying, that was more of a superjump.

Also seems like there is still alot of anger here from all you regarding this episode. I just dont understand.

It was too gracefull and controlled to be a jump also I dont remember him bending as if to jump.

Its not really anger though more dissappointment. From what the producers alluded to there were going to be huge ramifications to the show (not just Clark) but as is, things just seemed to stop were they always do, 3 steps short of greatness.

[Ultimate_Superman]

so in other words Tony, you just want Lana to find out?yes its about time she does:mad:^^There is no complete circle and Lana just becomes another waste of time if Clark doesnt do something to compensate. I know he loves her enough to marry her and all which is why he doesnt want to tell her but just as Jor-El said another balance was found. She's in no more or less danger than mom Pete and Chloe.:up:

[NHawk19]

You don't get what I meant, hehe. Don't worry about it.

actually I was trying to respond to tony but you beat me to it cause my typing was slow :D

[Ultimate_Superman]

You need to go back a page and read Pixie's take on this...

She made the point that this episode wasn't really about Lana finding out, although I was disappointed that the time travel rumors were true initially, I think I agree with Pixie. The episode ultimately wasn't about that.

It was about Clark making choices and learning to live with the consequences of his actions.

The huge consequence for him saving Lana and NOT telling her was that he would lose her but that she had a better chance at living. He told Chloe that. Her life would always be in danger if she were with him. It's one of the reasons he had never told her to begin with. The accident proved that he was right in fearing for her were she to know.

The second time in the loft, Clark realized that he couldn't tell her.

He realized that he really woulddo anything to save her, including walking away from her. That's painful and tragic for him.

Truly sad but he's convinced that his sacrifice is worth it if it saves her life.

Poor Clark.


And oh, did Tom totally rock in this episode or what?

When he found Lana at the crash... it was devastating to watch. And the scene between Clark and Martha... so sad and amazing.

Annette O'Toole was fantastic in that scene too. Wow... Just. Wow.

And I don't know what that one reviewer was smoking. Kristin did a wonderful job too, it was probably her best work to date in the series.

Everyone did great and I guess the Magnificent Bastard is truly back. Lionel is NOT still channeling Jor-El.

I would LOVE to know what the hell was in that photo that made Jonathan so angry... I suppose we'll find out eventually.

Awesome episode.No disrespect but I dont care if it was or wasn't about Lana finding out my point is stop doing it if you dont wish to follow up on your promise. I could care less if the show was about who died they way they did it was poor.

[Mike_D202]

The photo was actually Johnathon dressed in drag.

[NHawk19]

No disrespect but I dont care if it was or wasn't about Lana finding out my point is stop doing it if you dont wish to follow up on your promise. I could care less if the show was about who died they way they did it was poor.

as far as Lana finding out goes, they really just need to commit one way or another. We know she doesnt end up with him and that's fine but show her finding out then show why she would leave someone like Clark. right now the story is just getting stale.

[The Sage]

There's also a bit of Peter Parker-esque...Clark's irresponsibility and carelessness of his abilities have inadvertently caused the death of his adopted father, just as Parker's neglect and irresponsibility caused his adopted father/uncle's death.

[I_am_budders]

I'm sorry, I just expected more out of this episode.

The good:

-Lionel is back to his scheming and I love it.

-Lex's lines and plot were great, Michael really gave an A+ performance.

-The Chloe/Clark interaction was great, as usual.

The bad:

-Beating the Lois/Clark foreshadowing over our heads. This is really getting on my nerves. We get it.

-The fact that they used time travel when the scenario the first time around was practically perfect really irked me. It had everything, Lana and Clark coming clean, Lana out of the way so Clark could move towards his destiny, Lex in full anger mode towards Clark. I almost believed that situation was big enough that Clark and Lex would become mortal enemies.

-The whole episode just felt bleh. Jor-El didn't even make Clark beg for the crystal of time travel, it was just, "Oh, well, here, take this crystal, but you only get one!". Clark grabbed it and never thought twice about it. Didn't he see the Butterfly Effect? You can't just screw with time like that and it's selfish even if you can. How the hell do the kryptonians even have the technology to reverse time? If Jor-El can make crystals that let you hit the reset button on life, why wasn't he able to just make multiple ones and plan an escape from krypton? It's such a cop out it isn't even funny. I've given liberties like no other to this show, but this is really reaching, reaching just kill a character off, UNECCESSARILY. Sure, pre-crisis Superman had some good stories, but none of them were great because of the fact that JK was dead. I tend to like post-crisis better anyways, I think it just works better when his father's there. I simply don't see the show being as catastrophically shifted as I imagined it after this episode, all they did was kill a great character. The death was rushed too, the only emotion I felt the entire episode was seeing the look on Jonathan’s face before he passed. I’m starting to rant, so I’ll stop, but I think I’ve made my point pretty clear.

This show could have been amazing if they had followed the original plot before the whole time travel business.


...I still can't get over the time crystal lol.

[Mike_D202]

what has me intrigued is next weeks episode. the ramifications and emotions left from this eppy will be applied to an example of vigilanteism in metropolis. Clark will have more choices to make as to which road he'll go down, the dark batman/punisher route or the boy scout justice.

More lessons on becoming SUPERMAN.

[I_am_budders]

Double

[Ultimate_Superman]

You don't get what I meant, hehe. Don't worry about it.I agree and understand what you because quote on quote SV is not apart of the movies but it is being shaped for fans who want to put it in line with the movies.

[Ultimate_Superman]

As said before this show is really just putting itself in line with the movies like it or not.

[The Incredible Hulk]

is there an echo in here? :confused:

[Mike_D202]

There is one thing I didnt like and it was how they cut to commercial breaks during the two death scenes. I know they do that for suspense but it totally took me out of the emotional moment.

I know what you mean, I was totally into Jonathon having a heart attack then they cut to a stupid Geico commercial. :o

[The Sage]

is there an echo in here? :confused:

LOL. Hey are the caps okay for you?

[NHawk19]

There's also a bit of Peter Parker-esque...Clark's irresponsibility and carelessness of his abilities have inadvertently caused the death of his adopted father, just as Parker's neglect and irresponsibility caused his adopted father/uncle's death.

Ahh the great power great responsability kick. Yeah but that's what made Peter conciencios. Supes was to me more punch first ask questions later, never second guessing like spidey. They've now taken that away.

-Beating the Lois/Clark foreshadowing over our heads. This is really getting on my nerves. We get it.

Yeah the first one bugged me but the second was more subtle. Wish when they did that with Lois it would be more like that.

[Mike_D202]

I thought the lois/clark hints were pretty humorous.

They were supposed to be funny, right?

[Ultimate_Superman]

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1001/045vz.gif

and I dont care what anyone says he is flying now. His new power IMO from season 4 was that he can now fly.

[musclesforsupes]

I guess he can fly, maybe K site will clear it up. Where is triplet what does her sources say?

[RakuMon]

Jesus! Am I glad I stopped coming in the Reckoning thread a couple weeks ago! It took me 2 1/2 hours to catch up, and I am honestly shocked that so many people didn't like it.

I think this episode is a PERFECT example of being too spoiled for a show. Everyone had their own expectations about what THEY thought might happened, and most of the complaints seem to reflect that. I thought the entire episode was brilliant. Every aspect: the acting (this was a star-making turn for Welling if I've ever saw one!), the direction (Beeman's the best), the cinematography (looked very cinematic) and the music all worked.

Put it this way, I've been against Jonathan dying from day one. But after watching last night's ep, I can't see it any other way. His death is the most affecting thing I've seen on television in a LONG time. My wife and I went through three boxes of tissues EASILY.

The time travel aspect actually worked for me. I loved how all the inconsequential stuff actually had pay offs (Lois slipping, the reporter getting fired, Jonathan miraculously showing up at the accident, et al) and how the events that transpired ACTUALLY taught Clark something.

I wonder if all the people who had issues with Clark resetting the timeline in order to save the woman he loved also had the same problem with Superman The Movie? I mean, at least he didn't kiss Lana's memory away! :D

Seriously, the crystal wasn't a magic crystal. If Kryptonian technology can travel light years through space and transport people in an instant, why can't it travel through time? It makes more sense than "spinning the earth backwards!"

[Mike_D202]

Jesus! Am I glad I stopped coming in the Reckoning thread a couple weeks ago! It took me 2 1/2 hours to catch up, and I am honestly shocked that so many people didn't like it.

I think this episode is a PERFECT example of being too spoiled for a show. Everyone had their own expectations about what THEY thought might happened, and most of the complaints seem to reflect that. I thought the entire episode was brilliant. Every aspect: the acting (this was a star-making turn for Welling if I've ever saw one!), the direction (Beeman's the best), the cinematography (looked very cinematic) and the music all worked.

Put it this way, I've been against Jonathan dying from day one. But after watching last night's ep, I can't see it any other way. His death is the most affecting thing I've seen on television in a LONG time. My wife and I went through three boxes of tissues EASILY.

The time travel aspect actually worked for me. I loved how all the inconsequential stuff actually had pay offs (Lois slipping, the reporter getting fired, Jonathan miraculously showing up at the accident, et al) and how the events that transpired ACTUALLY taught Clark something.

I wonder if all the people who had issues with Clark resetting the timeline in order to save the woman he loved also had the same problem with Superman The Movie? I mean, at least he didn't kiss Lana's memory away! :D

Seriously, the crystal wasn't a magic crystal. If Kryptonian technology can travel light years through space and transport people in an instant, why can't it travel through time? It makes more sense than "spinning the earth backwards!"

exactly.

[RakuMon]

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1001/045vz.gif

thats flying if i ever saw it. the fortress of solitude was AMAZING. its enormous!

cant wait for next week's episode. looks like clark is gonna find out the difference between vigilante dark justice and true justice.

Yeah, Clark is TOTALLY flying there! Look at how he's looking at Lana, like he's in total control of where he's going. Definitely flying.

[Sith-Lord]

I'm kinda dissapointed from what I've heard. Sure JK's death is sad and powerfull but I was just hoping we would see it closer to Clark becoming Super-Man.

For some reason I always saw Clark leaving Smallville a couple of days after if not directly after the funeral to perhaps go on journey of self-discovery. But it seems we have the rest of this season (duh) and perhaps a 6th season of Clark still in Smallville.

What I'm getting at is that with JK's death Clark IS ready to become Super-Man...but how much can he still learn in Smallville.

[The Hurricane]

funny I was just having the same convo with some of my mates. I hope its just a jump. They have to dedicate an episode to flying.

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL. Hey are the caps okay for you?

yeah theyre awesome, thanks :up:

[Pixiedust]

There's also a bit of Peter Parker-esque...Clark's irresponsibility and carelessness of his abilities have inadvertently caused the death of his adopted father, just as Parker's neglect and irresponsibility caused his adopted father/uncle's death.

But there is a big difference there. Peter let the bad guy go and the bad guy later killed his uncle.

Clark made a choice to save the woman he loves and Jonathan then died of a heart attack. Would he have died of a heart attack that night if Clark hadn't changed things and Jonathan had been at the accident site and not fighting with Lionel? Maybe not. But he still would have died at a later time. Maybe the next day, maybe the next week. It's the natural law of cause and effect. But it in no way means that Clark caused his father's death. Like Martha said a heart is only given so many beats and Jonathan had used all of his and used them well.

If Clark would have been responsible for anyone's death by changing things, it could have been potenially Lois' and we don't even know that Clark knew that Lana saved Lois from falling the first time around.

Clark may have made a bad choice by turning back time to save Lana, but it was necessary to his growth into Superman in order to learn that even with all his powers there will be people he can't save and there are far reaching consquences to any action he makes.

I understand people being upset that he chose not to tell her the second time around, but I can understand his choice. He's being the noble being we know him to be by sacrificing his happiness for the good of someone else. A very Superman like trait. I really didn't see it as TPTB trying to yank the viewers chains once again, but a necessary life lesson that Clark must make sacrifices for what he feels to be the greater good. It breaks my heart for him that he has to make those kinds of choices and Tom portrayed that beautifully.

[Serene]

First of all.. Rumpuso.. lovely, lovely post. Like I said last night, the second viewing of that ep was so much more intense, particularly the scene where Clark helped Martha with her necklace. Maybe it's because I am a mother and a wife, but I just sobbed at that scene.

I *get* that this ep wasn't about Lana finding out. The bigger picture of Clark taking a huge step towards Super-ness is really what it is about, and on that level this episode was incredible. I really did love it.

I am not happy about the Lana thing.. not because of how they did it, that was fine..I'm glad it wasn't a whole turning the earth trick..The disappointment is in how they seem to have taken the relationship to a great height (which was wonderful to see) but then they took it all the way back to square one. And square one is a frustrating place to be for 5 seasons. Knowing that Clark and Lana don't have a future together as a couple, I wish they would have at least given them this season to be one and start the wheels working for "why" they won't be together for the long haul.

So, I'm beyond thrilled about the progression in Clark's journey.. but I'm still dismayed at the step-backwards in his relationship with Lana.

I'd still give this ep 4.9/5 though, Tom was amazing in every scene. I think everyone did a great job, actually. It's like Tom has said in interview.. they've all hit their stride in the show. They are all comfortable in their characters now. Even ED, who I always thought was very choppy in her early appearances, has *become* Lois for me now.

And my vote - Superjump combined with flight.. although with a lot more practiced control than he had in Hidden. He's *almost* there. ;)

[Ultimate_Superman]

I just hope that Lana remembers everything and I think she may. Say what you want about that kiss in Superman II but Lois did remember everything as stated in Superman IV. Till they went with that damn kiss again. I am just saying it was bad form on their part to do something like that. It to me was like that South Park moment when we were to find out who Cartman's dad really was and then they played that stupid show and made the fans wait another week or two before we found out.

[NHawk19]

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1001/045vz.gif

After watching this time and time again I'm acctually leaning back towards jump. Granted it's graceful and all but there was no charge up or space distortion around him. Plus he steps out of frame some. The only thing making me think otherwise is how he looks at Lana.

[The Green Goblin]

I liked it. :)

Once "Cher started singing" you knew Pa was dead meat, but there was this little chance it could be Chloe.

When Lana finds out, for real, show's over IMO.

[The Incredible Hulk]

But there is a big difference there. Peter let the bad guy go and the bad guy later killed his uncle.

Clark made a choice to save the woman he loves and Jonathan then died of a heart attack. Would he have died of a heart attack that night if Clark hadn't changed things and Jonathan had been at the accident site and not fighting with Lionel? Maybe not. But he still would have died at a later time. Maybe the next day, amybe the next week. It's the natural law of cause and effect. But it in no way means that Clark caused his father's death. Like Martha said a heart is only given so many beats and Jonathan had used all of his and used them well.

If Clark would have been responsible for anyone's death by changing things, it could have been potenially Lois' and we don't even know that Clark knew that Lana saved Lois from falling the first time around.

Clark may have made a bad choice by turning back time to save Lana, but it was necessary to his growth into Superman in order to learn that even with all his powers there will be people he can't save and there are far reaching consquences to any action he makes.

I understand people being upset that he chose not to tell her the second time around, but I can understand his choice. He's being the noble being we know him to be by sacrificing his happiness for the good of someone else. A very Superman like trait. I really didn't see it as TPTB trying to yank the viewers chains once again, but a necessary life lesson that Clark must make sacrifices for what he feels to be the greater good. It breaks my heart for him that he has to make those kinds of choices and Tom portrayed that beautifully.

can I hug you? ;)

[The Caped Knight]

http://oxoniensis-art.com/caps/sv/512/reckoning_595.jpg

:batman:

[musclesforsupes]

Next week clark looks crazy, and who is the black cat/catwoman type of girl

[NHawk19]

But there is a big difference there. Peter let the bad guy go and the bad guy later killed his uncle.

Clark made a choice to save the woman he loves and Jonathan then died of a heart attack. Would he have died of a heart attack that night if Clark hadn't changed things and Jonathan had been at the accident site and not fighting with Lionel? Maybe not. But he still would have died at a later time. Maybe the next day, maybe the next week. It's the natural law of cause and effect. But it in no way means that Clark caused his father's death. Like Martha said a heart is only given so many beats and Jonathan had used all of his and used them well.

If Clark would have been responsible for anyone's death by changing things, it could have been potenially Lois' and we don't even know that Clark knew that Lana saved Lois from falling the first time around.

Clark may have made a bad choice by turning back time to save Lana, but it was necessary to his growth into Superman in order to learn that even with all his powers there will be people he can't save and there are far reaching consquences to any action he makes.

I understand people being upset that he chose not to tell her the second time around, but I can understand his choice. He's being the noble being we know him to be by sacrificing his happiness for the good of someone else. A very Superman like trait. I really didn't see it as TPTB trying to yank the viewers chains once again, but a necessary life lesson that Clark must make sacrifices for what he feels to be the greater good. It breaks my heart for him that he has to make those kinds of choices and Tom portrayed that beautifully.

Either way it's still the great power great responsability thing.

To me Supes has always been to bullheaded to have learned this lesson. More a punchfirst solve the problem second guy.

[Kane]

I know what you mean, I was totally into Jonathon having a heart attack then they cut to a stupid Geico commercial. :o

Jonathans dead............






But I saved a ton of money by switching to Geico! :D


Couldnt resist.

[The Green Goblin]

I understand people being upset that he chose not to tell her the second time around, but I can understand his choice. He's being the noble being we know him to be by sacrificing his happiness for the good of someone else. A very Superman like trait. I really didn't see it as TPTB trying to yank the viewers chains once again, but a necessary life lesson that Clark must make sacrifices for what he feels to be the greater good.


*exactly*

[Kane]

http://oxoniensis-art.com/caps/sv/512/reckoning_595.jpg



He looks like hes doing a Donald Trump impression there.

[RakuMon]

Clark may have made a bad choice by turning back time to save Lana, but it was necessary to his growth into Superman in order to learn that even with all his powers there will be people he can't save and there are far reaching consquences to any action he makes.

I understand people being upset that he chose not to tell her the second time around, but I can understand his choice. He's being the noble being we know him to be by sacrificing his happiness for the good of someone else. A very Superman like trait. I really didn't see it as TPTB trying to yank the viewers chains once again, but a necessary life lesson that Clark must make sacrifices for what he feels to be the greater good. It breaks my heart for him that he has to make those kinds of choices and Tom portrayed that beautifully.

I agree 100%. I said this in another thread, but what I liked so much about Clark turning back time is that it actually had consequences. Something Superman's spinning the earth backward in the Movie did NOT have!

[Kane]

There's also a bit of Peter Parker-esque...Clark's irresponsibility and carelessness of his abilities have inadvertently caused the death of his adopted father, just as Parker's neglect and irresponsibility caused his adopted father/uncle's death.

Ya I really didnt want them to adapt that. I prefered it when Jonathan died of natural causes (STM, Precrisis) and Clark wasnt guilty.

[The Hurricane]

Wow more than a thousand posts in the last 10 hours

[Dark_Lord]

I just saw the episode. I liked it. I'm a little pissed that he wont tell Lana his secret, at least for now, but maybe its for the best.

[Pixiedust]

can I hug you? ;)
Sure. :)After last night and rewatching it this morning, I can use one of those. That Martha/Clark scene made me cry as hard the second time as the first.

[NHawk19]

500 more and we surpass the Tom Welling Thread

[Kane]

I agree 100%. I said this in another thread, but what I liked so much about Clark turning back time is that it actually had consequences. Something Superman's spinning the earth backward in the Movie did NOT have!

If Smallville Kryptonians have the god-like precrisis abilities to turn back time??

Does that mean Clark will eventually get all the other precrisis powers too?

Wiping peoples memories...etc

[NHawk19]

If Smallville Kryptonians have the god-like precrisis abilities to turn back time??

Does that mean Clark will eventually get all the other precrisis powers too?

Wiping peoples memories...etc

I really hope not. But the face distortion ability may explain why \S/ looks different it the move :D

[Ultimate_Superman]

I agree 100%. I said this in another thread, but what I liked so much about Clark turning back time is that it actually had consequences. Something Superman's spinning the earth backward in the Movie did NOT have!Yes it did. Do you know what Superman II was supose to be really about? He lost his powers because of him turning back time. Not because of him wanting to be with Lois I think you need to look up what Superman II was suppose to be instead of the one that came out because they fired Donner. Though Donners Superman II is coming out.

[Doobie88]

If Smallville Kryptonians have the god-like precrisis abilities to turn back time??


You'd think Jor-El Would have turned back time and made a freaken bigger space ship to begin with..

[AgentPat]

The aftermath...

Bittersweet about Smallville
By BILL BRIOUX, SUN MEDIA

SPOILER ALERT: If you didn't catch last night's 100th episode of Smallville on WPIX, Cable 62 or on KTLA, Cable 60), you may want to avoid the Internet, morning radio, tonight's showbiz magazine shows or the following story.

When a main character on a hit series is killed off, it can be devastating for fans, not to mention the actor involved. But don't go holding any pity parties for the man who, until last night at least, played Smallville's stoic father figure Jonathan Kent.

"There are two things that are constant in Hollywood," says John Schneider. "Pollen and John Schneider."

The former Dukes of Hazzard good ol' boy was the star attraction last week at the TV critic's WB network press tour party in Pasadena.

The trim and tall 50-year-old, who has a couple of TV deals in development, says he got word just three episodes before he picked up the script for the 100th episode that his character's time was up. "It was very bittersweet," said Schneider. He knew it was coming eventually (hey, he read the Superman comics as a kid, too) but didn't expect to get whacked in the middle of a season. The character will reappear in a flashback or two (including a heart-tugging scene at the end of the very next episode), but otherwise young Clark Kent is on his own.

Which is exactly the kick in the pants Kent and this series needed, says Schneider. "It is so necessary for this to happen. In order for Clark Kent to become Superman, he needed to fill the shoes of someone."

That someone was hard-working farmer Jonathan Kent, and Schneider was proud to play him as a solid, straight arrow role model. "Superman is the defender of all that is right," he says. "And he gets that, by God, from his father. And I like that."

Schneider says he can "still feel something in my gut" whenever he thinks about John Wayne's famous death scene from the 1972 western The Cowboys. The Duke was stuck with a crew of teenage ranch hands who had to become men in a hurry. "I can still see him lying down on the ground and saying, 'You're good boys.' That kind of a death, the empowerment of those boys ... is important," says Schneider.

His biggest regret is that he's leaving just as the series, he feels, is finally (like Kent) taking off.

"If there was a confused moment at all in Smallville, just for me, it would have been the fourth season," says Schneider, who feels the fifth season just keeps getting better and better. "Personally, I think our weakest show from Season 5 is better than our strongest show from Season 4."

What Schneider won't miss, however, is the commute from Vancouver, where Smallville is shot. He missed the first 20 minutes of last summer's Dukes of Hazzard movie premiere when he tried jetting in for it from B.C.

Schneider still drives one of the souped-up 1969 Dodge Chargers that doubled as the General Lee on The Dukes of Hazzard. He pronounced the summer movie makeover of his old series as "not nearly as raunchy or as inappropriate as I had expected." Now there's an endorsement.

While he won't miss the commute, he will miss Vancouver. "Will I miss the seaplanes landing in front of the snow-capped mountains and the water in front of a beautiful hotel? You bet. I think some of the most beautiful places in the world are kept up in Canada."

http://www.edmontonsun.com/Entertainment/Weekend/2006/01/27/1414063-sun.html

[Kane]

Actually whats even sadder is (even if you didnt want to look at spoilers) G+M spoiled this in an interview long ago.

They said they wanted to kill off Jonathan Kent eventually...

And then prior to Reckoning in another interview they said....it was something they had planned out since the start!!

:down

[NHawk19]

Well atleast he's got something going for him and it sounds like the press took a real interest in what happened.

RIP Johnathan Kent

[Kaboom]

at least now there will be more money for special effects right?

[KikiDee]

I personally thought the episode was just beautiful. I have no major disappointments, but I just love the show for the pure glorious entertainment that it is.

I knew watching it that some people were going to have problems with the whole "Groundhog Day" second chance. The irony is that she didn't die because he told her and someone else almost did because he didn't. They never really showed whether or not he figured that out. I do believe along with others that Jonathan's death was inevitable.

I think they've set up the next phase in his evolution perfectly. I know people are disappointed with the Clark and Lana relationship basically being over, but I'm personally okay with it. We know they don't end up together and we also know that Clark would never be able to just walk away from her. She needed to be the one to leave and it's absolutely brilliant with Lex constantly reminding her how he doesn't hide things from her. We know Clark doesn't exactly trust Lex anymore, but does he count him as an enemy? How would you feel if your ex-best friend started dating the love of your life?

Overall it was a rollercoaster of emotion from elation (during the entire FOS sequence in the beginning) to utter horror (Lana's crash) to suspenseful anticipation of what we knew was to come (Jonathan's death) to absolute heartbreaking despair. The acting was inspiring and I thought the music was well chosen. I loved the cinematography in the funeral scene. Like I said it was just an absolutely beautiful episode.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Another point for those who dont think much changed in this ep outside of Pa biting the big one:

Before this, his big fear was that if he told Lana she wont accept him for who he was. Now he knows without a doubt that she would accept him and devote herself to him, and he STILL cant tell her because he's afraid of what the consequences of telling her would mean to her safety. It's like a double kick to the nuts for the poor freaking guy. It was illustrated in the following quote during the second go around:

Lana: "What could be worse than losing the people you love?"

Clark: "Nothing."

[kane9321]

wow just wow

[Ultimate_Superman]

Right but the problem has now become we have taken Clark and Lana back to season 2 & 3 and how much you want to bet that they really wont bring up the first half of the show again?

[KalKai]

I was spoiled too much, and the music does make a big difference. The music in the preview clip was so much better, the music in the episode was too soft and romantic.

[KalKai]

Right but the problem has now become we have taken Clark and Lana back to season 2 & 3 and how much you want to bet that they really wont bring up the first half of the show again?

No they haven't, Clana is OVER, they told us from the beginning that Lana and Lex were gonna end up together by the end of the season (remember that Welling interview?), why are Clana fans so angry? lol.

[NHawk19]

Right but the problem has now become we have taken Clark and Lana back to season 2 & 3 and how much you want to bet that they really wont bring up the first half of the show again?

Nah he'll talk to Chloe about it. Further proving that the writers have turned her into more of what we would consider Lana than the way Lana's written.

[NHawk19]

No they haven't, Clana is OVER, they told us from the beginning that Lana and Lex were gonna end up together by the end of the season (remember that Welling interview?), why are Clana fans so angry? lol.

I dont think it has to do with being a clana fan as much as it does wanting to see something start and finish properly. Rather than never really start.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Nah he'll talk to Chloe about it. Further proving that the writers have turned her into more of what we would consider Lana than the way Lana's written.True

[Pixiedust]

I was just thinking about the Clois foreshadowing in this ep. Yeah, I know sometimes they can hit us over the head with it. Not that I mind that being a Clois fan since Superman I and not to mention that it ticks off the Chloisers (always a plus)

While this was a nice wink at the audience that yes Lois and Clark end up together in the future, it was much more than that. It showed how Lois really feels about Clark. Pet peeve...but I get so tired over everyone saying how much they hate each other. They bicker and banter, but that doesn't mean they don't like each other. The end of Lucy, Exposed and Aqua all confirm that they consider each other a friend.

But I think this is my favorite bit of foreshadowing yet because it shows what Lois really thinks about Clark. She says she would consider herself lucky if she ended up with a guy as honorable as Clark. You don't say that about a guy you look down on, don't like or don't respect.

Yeah, my favorite bit of foreshadowing so far. And Clark saves her too. Good Clois as far as I'm concerned.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Also as far as Lex and Lana maybe hooking that is even a worse idea. What are they trying to do make it like Peter and Harry in Spider-Man where he is always competeing with Clark? I mean come on now they are making Lex into an evil Pete Ross because that is how Pete Ross always felt.

[Spaceballs]

Now he knows without a doubt that she would accept him and devote herself to him, and he STILL cant tell her because he's afraid of what the consequences of telling her would mean to her safety

Then Clark needs to step up & realize that Lana is NOT the one for him & also you keep bringing up Lanas safety. Like other said earlier. Chloe knows, Pete knows & his Parents knows. Lanas safety is THE SAME EXACT as them. So Lana knowing would be NO different. Its the CHOICE that Lana made to go see Lex. Either way I hope Clark starts to realize now that him & Lana are just NOT meant to be. I dont want to be back to Season 1 & 2 Moody Clark. This is just a big ass step back. Clark needs to step up to the plate & realize that Lana is not the one for him. He needs to start QUESTIONING that. Clark now has to realize he has to let Lana go. If he doesnt then this Episode was for NOTHING. How can Clark BE THE MAN here if all he is going to do is get jealous at Lex for getting close to his girl when Clark will NEVER be fully honest with her & he knows that now. Clark just needs to realize its not meant to be & him. But Clarks going to be the whiny jealous type & just blame it all on Lex. If NOTHING changes after this & they become enemies because of Lana that will show Clark was NEVER able to move on & let go. Therefore this Episode was for NOTHING. I am going to hate the fact that after this Episode things will still be the same & Clark will blame Lex for loosing Lana & they become enemies when if Clark stepped up & be the man (especially after this Episode) Clark would have eventually just Let Lana go & within time Lex & Clark would have been able to be friends again. But Clark cant even do that.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I just see it going back to season 1&2 where Clark is always crying over Lana. Really its about time for Lana to find out then Clark travel the world and ask Lana to come with him and she turns him down.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Also as far as Lex and Lana maybe hooking that is even a worse idea. What are they trying to do make it like Peter and Harry in Spider-Man where he is always competeing with Clark? I mean come on now they are making Lex into an evil Pete Ross because that is how Pete Ross always felt.

more like when Lois dated Lex for a time in the comics probably....

[Super_Ludacris]

Well I do thnk Lana and Lex is a good thing. I think it's a step up from just the same old clana stuff and her just hanging in the background. Makes the future dynamic more interesting too

[Red]

After second viewing this episode kind of disapointed me.

The time travel thing, i don't think it works in the SV universe. And i think the idea's that myself and others suggested about Jor-el saving Lana, but noy Pa where much better than what we saw.

After seeing the trailers of , most noticabliy Lex seeing Clark super speed to the rescue i had the feeling of a mind wip on lex., but instead we get a cop-out.

[Spaceballs]

more like when Lois dated Lex for a time in the comics probably....

Read what I said back a pag Hulk

[spideyboy_1111]

I agree about it been VERY predictable, but did not like the episode that much, it was like I knew what was already gonna happen so no shock factor at all.
only thing that shocked me was clark proposing.. that boys way tooo eager... lol that came out of left field for me though (then again the last season or 2 i havent seen most episodes due to my school schedule)

[Ultimate_Superman]

more like when Lois dated Lex for a time in the comics probably....Now that I can see but I still don't like the idea with Lana. To me Lana is our Gwen Stacy and for people who follow Spider-Man the comic not Ultimate and the movies also not that Sins of the Past Gwen you know who important she was to the Spider-Man history and I look at her like that. I feel she was the pure thing in Superman's past and they are really just meesing her up and making Chole what Lana should have been and should be.

[Super_Ludacris]

I agree with that scarface...

[Spaceballs]

I simply think the Season Finale should have been Clark realizing he needs time away from Smallville after all thats happened & he packs his back & goes away for a bit. In fact something like this wouldnt be so bad for AFTER this Episode. Martha might be become Senator so shell be busy with that & would have been more interesting to see Clark for the remaining of the Season to go to place to place trying to move on from Lana etc & then he goes back to Smallville once he finds out aliens are attacking the town in the Season Finale. But nope. We are back to Season 2 & 3 :down

[triplet]

I was just thinking about the Clois foreshadowing in this ep. Yeah, I know sometimes they can hit us over the head with it. Not that I mind that being a Clois fan since Superman I and not to mention that it ticks off the Chloisers (always a plus)

While this was a nice wink at the audience that yes Lois and Clark end up together in the future, it was much more than that. It showed how Lois really feels about Clark. Pet peeve...but I get so tired over everyone saying how much they hate each other. They bicker and banter, but that doesn't mean they don't like each other. The end of Lucy, Exposed and Aqua all confirm that they consider each other a friend.

But I think this is my favorite bit of foreshadowing yet because it shows what Lois really thinks about Clark. She says she would consider herself lucky if she ended up with a guy as honorable as Clark. You don't say that about a guy you look down on, don't like or don't respect.

Yeah, my favorite bit of foreshadowing so far. And Clark saves her too. Good Clois as far as I'm concerned.


Personally, I never thought that Lois hated Clark. Yeah she enjoys ribbing him and giving him ****, but I never thought she lacked respect for him. There have been moments (like the ones you pointed out in Lucy, Exposed and Aqua) where it's clear she thinks a lot of him.

But I wonder whether Clark will realize what Lois' close call with Fate means.

For us it's obvious, we know what they mean to each other in the future. But will her nearly dying for him cause Clark to recognize that Lois will someday be as important to him as his father and Lana?

He did have an interesting look on his face after he picked her up...

[triplet]

I just see it going back to season 1&2 where Clark is always crying over Lana. Really its about time for Lana to find out then Clark travel the world and ask Lana to come with him and she turns him down.

I was really hating it when I first heard about the time travel reboot spoiler, but in seeing the episode I think it works.

He's decided she's safer without him in her life. It's a tragic irony, he had to let her go in order to not lose her for good, but he deliberately let her walk away. He's making a sacrifice that will benefit her in ways she doesn't yet understand. He knows the stakes better now than ever before since he's lived through her death once. I don't think he'll go back to that.

So it's not back to square one at all.

[Colossal Spoons]

See; if Clark really did fly; then it was so anti-climactic. We've been waiting for Clark to fly on his own for like 4 season's now and he judt does it like he's been doing it for years. Remember how psyched we were when he flew due to Jor-El's posession? That's what I wanted to see last night.

[KalKai]

He didn't fly, flying is what we saw in Crusade.

[Colossal Spoons]

This couldn't have been a super jump though cuz it would have been impossible to time the landing that perfectly; especially while carrying Lana.

[Venom71]

Looked like he was flying too me

[Kaboom]

yea what a waste if they spoiled his first true flight on lana.

[Spaceballs]

yea what a waste if they spoiled his first true flight on lana.

Technically

That NEVER happened

[Kane]

Technically his first true flight already happened...so whats the problem?

[Colossal Spoons]

Not of his own free will.

[avidreader]

Maybe he can maintain vertical flight, but not horizontal? He still may need to learn how to do that.

************

Anyway, after reading alot of the posts in here, Pixie, Rumpuso, Serene, Raku, Triplet Kiki, Zing, Hulk and some others, I'm in more tears than I was last night. :(

I'm not sure what the ramifications of all of this is going to have on Clark's relationship with Lana, and I wont even begin to second guess. I'll just wait and see what happens.

But I will say after watching last night's episode, these guys know what they are doing, so I'll keep my faith in them that they wont have us back to Season 3 Clana.

Just watching the trailer for next week's episode Vengeance keeps my hopes very high at the moment.

[KalKai]

Clark's wearing something different at least next week lol.

[JAX]

Well I do thnk Lana and Lex is a good thing. I think it's a step up from just the same old clana stuff and her just hanging in the background. Makes the future dynamic more interesting too

Thats true. There has to be a way that Clark and Lex truly turn on each other. As of now, they still have the "we could still be friends" feel.

[Spaceballs]

Thats true. There has to be a way that Clark and Lex truly turn on each other. As of now, they still have the "we could still be friends" feel.

I dont like it. Clark is supposed to GROW UP & BE THE MAN. Therefore he should realize Lana & him is NOT meant to be (especially after this new Episode) & start to move on. Instead we are back to Season 2 & 3 Clark with him crying over Lana with pushing her away & will just blame Lex for when he does loose her. Clark learned a thing or 2 from being with Lana & this is making Clark WORSE. Now it just seems to be FORCING Lana & Lex together so Clark & Lex have a reason to be bad guys & they cant even let Clark move on THE RIGHT WAY but instead he will just whine & blame Lex.

[JAX]

I dont like it. Clark is supposed to GROW UP & BE THE MAN. Therefore he should realize Lana & him is NOT meant to be (especially after this new Episode) & start to move on. Instead we are back to Season 2 & 3 Clark with him crying over Lana with pushing her away & will just blame Lex for when he does loose her. Clark learned a thing or 2 from being with Lana & this is making Clark WORSE. Now it just seems to be FORCING Lana & Lex together so Clark & Lex have a reason to be bad guys & they cant even let Clark move on THE RIGHT WAY but instead he will just whine & blame Lex.

It appears to be 1 step forward 2 steps back, but lets give G+M a chance. Who knows whats planned

[spideyboy_1111]

my big question is if its not safe for lana to know why is it safe for others? lol it just didnt add up to me

[Spaceballs]

It appears to be 1 step forward 2 steps back, but lets give G+M a chance. Who knows whats planned

If Clark was able to GROW UP & realize him & Lana are not meant to be in the end him & Lex would have more then likely been able to remain Friends once Clark realizes that him & Lana are just not meant to be. But like I siad they are FORCING this to happen with Lex & Lana just to give Clark & Lex a reason to become enemies. I would have more preferred Clark getting pissed at Lex for helping Braniac & Lex finds out EVERYTHING about Clark through Braniac & eventually Zod & the other 2 Kryptionians & them become enemies then Lex & Lana dating. But nope. It is such a shame that after such a great start this Season. They seem to be going down hill.

[JAX]

Is it me or did parts of the episode have a final destination type feel.

[JAX]

If Clark was able to GROW UP & realize him & Lana are not meant to be in the end him & Lex would have more then likely been able to remain Friends once Clark realizes that him & Lana are just not meant to be. But like I siad they are FORCING this to happen with Lex & Lana just to give Clark & Lex a reason to become enemies. I would have more preferred Clark getting pissed at Lex for helping Braniac & Lex finds out EVERYTHING about Clark through Braniac & them become enemies that way then Lex & Lana dating. But nope. It is such a shame that after such a great start this Season. They seem to be going down hill.

but you cant look at that way. its not part of the superman story not in the comics nor movies. Lex knowing who Clark is would make the entire series worse not better. And for Lana...that character can do what she wants as long as they turn Lex and Clark totaly against each other.

[Spaceballs]

but you cant look at that way. its not part of the superman story not in the comics nor movies. Lex knowing who Clark is would make the entire series worse not better. And for Lana...that character can do what she wants as long as they turn Lex and Clark totaly against each other.

But they seem to be FORCING IT. How can fans see Clark the way they are supposed to see him when he will just blame OTHERS for HIS problems ? He will never want to trust Lana with his secret. Lana goes to Lex. Clark blames Lex for loosing Lana. Clark is BLAMING OTHERS for HIS mistakes & choices. Thats not a very Superman thing to do.

[avidreader]

Is it me or did parts of the episode have a final destination type feel.

I havent seen Final Destination, so I cant answer that Jax.

********

I dont think that there is going to be ONE single event that causes Clark and Lex to be mortal enemies. Its been building since the end of Season 3 that there will be a number of different causes.

We've read in interviews that Brainiac will be using Lex's curiosity in the ship to go up against Clark.

There is definitely a sign that its all going to blow up pretty soon, we just have to sit and be patient.

Its the unfortunate consequence of watching a prequel.

[Kaboom]

^^^but hes not superman yet....

[avidreader]

But they seem to be FORCING IT. How can fans see Clark the way they are supposed to see him when he will just blame OTHERS for HIS problems ? He will never want to trust Lana with his secret. Lana goes to Lex. Clark blames Lex for loosing Lana. Clark is BLAMING OTHERS for HIS mistakes & choices. Thats not a very Superman thing to do.

I didnt see Clark blaming Lex last night for what happened. He told Jor-el, that this isnt her destiny. If I hadnt told her about me, then none of this would have happened.

The only time he mentioned Lex was when he was telling Chloe what happened, and even then he didnt blame Lex.

[avidreader]

double post

[Spaceballs]

We've read in interviews that Brainiac will be using Lex's curiosity in the ship to go up against Clark

I honestly think that it will take more then whats in the Ship to get Lexs attention. Lex would want to know why Fine all of a sudden wants Clark out of the Picture, dead & I can imagine Lex wanting to know HOW Fine knows whats in the ship & his connections etc.

[JAX]

But they seem to be FORCING IT. How can fans see Clark the way they are supposed to see him when he will just blame OTHERS for HIS problems ? He will never want to trust Lana with his secret. Lana goes to Lex. Clark blames Lex for loosing Lana. Clark is BLAMING OTHERS for HIS mistakes & choices. Thats not a very Superman thing to do.

The decisions they made yesterday for the most part were not good. At least it seems that way. The 1st half was fantastic and 2nd half was not so good. Lana went Lex not b/c she really wanted to but Lex did call her. He sees them hugging and gets mad. We dont know yet if Clark is blaming others. It seemed like he understood why his father died at the end of the episode, like when Jor-el told him he needed to heed his warning. If Clark is blaming anyone its probably himself. I dont think the writers will ever really hook up Lex and Lana. They will probably tease at it. I think what will break down Clarks relationship with Lex is Lionel. I think Clark will find out Lionel had something to do with Jonathans death and think Lex was involved.

I'll be patiant and trust what G&M come up with

[spideyboy_1111]

i just find it amusing that not telling her really didnt even stop her from dying (he saved her) and why is it more dangerous for lana to know then chloe and his parents? hell i think it would be more dangerous for chloe since she deals with the media and has her name out there more

[Spaceballs]

The decisions they made yesterday for the most part were not good. At least it seems that way. The 1st half was fantastic and 2nd half was not so good. Lana went Lex not b/c she really wanted to but Lex did call her. He sees them hugging and gets mad. We dont know yet if Clark is blaming others. It seemed like he understood why his father died at the end of the episode, like when Jor-el told him he needed to heed his warning. If Clark is blaming anyone its probably himself. I dont think the writers will ever really hook up Lex and Lana. They will probably tease at it. I think what will break down Clarks relationship with Lex is Lionel. I think Clark will find out Lionel had something to do with Jonathans death and think Lex was involved.

I'll be patiant and trust what G&M come up with

Well I hope with G&M come up with something good. They had NOTHING to do with the 100th Episode & now they got to clean up this mess

[RakuMon]

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1001/045vz.gif

After watching this time and time again I'm acctually leaning back towards jump. Granted it's graceful and all but there was no charge up or space distortion around him. Plus he steps out of frame some. The only thing making me think otherwise is how he looks at Lana.

I think the lack of distortion was due to the fact that Clark didn't need to leap with any velocity (it wasn't like he needed to stop a nuke or fly to the skies above Africa or anything.) I think this fact makes it seem MORE likely that he flew. Since he seems to lift off without any effort.

[DIRECTOR]

he is jumping people, "leap over a tall building in a single bound", if that is the slogan.

he isn't flying. Think of it like the HULK, how in the movie he leaps around

[avidreader]

i just find it amusing that not telling her really didnt even stop her from dying (he saved her) and why is it more dangerous for lana to know then chloe and his parents? hell i think it would be more dangerous for chloe since she deals with the media and has her name out there more

In his discussion with Chloe he said that there will always be people trying to find out about me, and with Lana being the closest to him she is the one most likely to be in danger.

I see all of this talk leading to the reason why he takes on the dual identity. Does anybody else see this?

[JAX]

Well I hope with G&M come up with something good. They had NOTHING to do with the 100th Episode & now they got to clean up this mess

From what I've read so far on SHH and other sites, the fan reacton seems to be a negative one towards the second half. I think they will or they should take that into account for upcoming episodes not filmed yet. Here's hoping the season finale will be a giant 2 hour special with Lana finding out, evil Lex, Brainiac, and Zod. That would make up for it.

And how about Lionel. Just when you thought that evil son of ***** couldnt get worse. I love it. I hope they keep him around for a while. He's the true Lex Luthor.

[JAX]

In his discussion with Chloe he said that there will always be people trying to find out about me, and with Lana being the closest to him she is the one most likely to be in danger.

I see all of this talk leading to the reason why he takes on the dual identity. Does anybody else see this?

Im raising my hand

[Spaceballs]

In his discussion with Chloe he said that there will always be people trying to find out about me, and with Lana being the closest to him she is the one most likely to be in danger.

I see all of this talk leading to the reason why he takes on the dual identity. Does anybody else see this?

But if thats a big reason with why he becomes Superman then why would move to Metropolis AWAY from the People he cares about ? He wouldnt be around to use his other identity to save them at the last Minute

[triplet]

Im raising my hand



:triplet raises her hand:

[DIRECTOR]

is it a deleted scene?

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/8635/normalreckoning148xd.jpg

[KalKai]

Yes, that was cut out.

[Spaceballs]

This Episode was Filmed to be a 90 Minute event. But they could not live with putting off Beauty & The Geek for one night so Smallville suffered

[The Incredible Hulk]

In his discussion with Chloe he said that there will always be people trying to find out about me, and with Lana being the closest to him she is the one most likely to be in danger.

I see all of this talk leading to the reason why he takes on the dual identity. Does anybody else see this?

:up: that's EXACTLY where they're going with it. Clark is getting to the point where he wants to be his reali self, but in order to safeguard others he'll have to have another identity to protect those he cares about. That seems rather obvious to us knowing Superman and all, but being it's a prequel, it's something the hero has to discover on his own.

[spideyboy_1111]

hmmmm leads me to think chloe will help hide his background... wich he would need to do with becoming "regular dorky clark"

[JAX]

hmmmm leads me to think chloe will help hide his background... wich he would need to do with becoming "regular dorky clark"

"Tall, dark, and bumbling"

Loved that line

[triplet]

This Episode was Filmed to be a 90 Minute event. But they could not live with putting off Beauty & The Geek for one night so Smallville suffered

No where did I see that mentioned... you're just making that up.

Gough said in a follow up interview on kryptonsite that they filmed that but decided to cut it because it went over a lot of the same territory as when Clark had begged for his second chance to save Lana.

See the entire interview here:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/goughdeath.htm

But here is the salient part:

K-SITE: Some photos had leaked a few weeks ago of Clark taking a dead Jonathan's body to the Fortress of Solitude, but that scene was absent from the final cut. What happened there?

GOUGH: We just felt it was too much. It was something that sounded great on paper, but ultimately it seemed a little awkward and a little morbid. It felt like a little bit of a stutter step in the episode. You'd already seen it once when he brought Lana, and it's not like he brought Lana's body there. I think some of it was the staging, and some of it was just - you didn't need to see that scene again.

[Spaceballs]

Well they better end up on the DVD.

[musclesforsupes]

So what was that pic anyway? Clark using his powers, Clark with kryptonite, Clark and Lana doin it? Pa with another woman? WHAT!:mad:

[Spaceballs]

Ma Kent naked in the Shower ? :eek: Thatd get ANY married dude going


jk though


I have no idea

[triplet]

It looked kinda like a photo of Clark's ship... It was hard to tell since we only saw it a little from the wrong side, but hopefully someone will get a good cap of that.

[NHawk19]

Well clark's used his powers in front of so many people that's not a stretch but I'd be willing to bet its his ship.

[Spaceballs]

It looked kinda like a photo of Clark's ship... It was hard to tell since we only saw it a little from the wrong side, but hopefully someone will get a good cap of that.

I'll see what I can do & I think it has to be MORE then Clarks Ship. Anyone can fake that type of thing with good creativity on the Computer. Has to be MORE then that

[NHawk19]

I'll see what I can do & I think it has to be MORE then Clarks Ship. Anyone can fake that type of thing with good creativity on the Computer. Has to be MORE then that

Did they definately say it was a picture? If not it could be blood reports or something.

OR maybe its satilite photos of the FOS

[Spaceballs]

http://img500.imageshack.us/img500/6828/00rp.jpg

You can see some kind of shape I brightened it up

[Spaceballs]

& it is def something MORE then his Ship because JK would not simply act & look so nervous

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1359/untitled7ua.gif

[JAX]

I would say the ship or clark using his powers.

[NHawk19]

I have a feeling this ep had quite a few deleted scenes

[Spaceballs]

I would say the ship

Thing is Lionel would NEVER be able to PROOVE to the Media etc that the Ship is real since Clark destroyed it & now theres no evidence of it

[JAX]

Thing is Lionel would NEVER be able to PROOVE to the Media etc that the Ship is real since Clark destroyed it & now theres no evidence of it

Who knows what that whack job came up with. I'm loving it though...what a great character.

[Spaceballs]

Who knows what that whack job came up with. I'm loving it though...what a great character.

Guys been in a nut house

Had his own Parents killed

Went to Jail

Even had his own sons mind erased

Its gonna take alot to get People to believe him

[musclesforsupes]

& it is def something MORE then his Ship because JK would not simply act & look so nervous

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1359/untitled7ua.gif


Lionel looks like he is dancing lol, and Pa looks like he is choking on his tongue. LOL

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

Could it be something to do with the adoption of clark , in ther first or second season he threatened Johnatan with that .

[musclesforsupes]

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1359/untitled7ua.gif


This is what happens when someone sees that you call XXX phone numbers :D

[JAX]

Guys been in a nut house

Had his own Parents killed

Went to Jail

Even had his own sons mind erased

Its gonna take alot to get People to believe him

LOL....yup thats good ole Lionel.

[Abaddon]

Mixed feelings about the episode.Though I did find Lana's death surprisingly violent.

[NotFadeAway]

I FIGURED IT OUT......

Damn Lion-El gave Jonathan the picture to kill him.........son of a *****.

[Spaceballs]

LOL....yup thats good ole Lionel.

& not to mention he now wants to obviously bang his sons Friends Mother

Thats one heck of a resume :eek:

These 2 Families should be on Jerry Springer with a surprise guest of Jor El in Human Form for the occasion :up:

[NotFadeAway]

With Jor-El telling Lex to put his middle fingers to the sky, but in a very intellectual voice.

[Super_Ludacris]

Yeah that was a bad look

[dark_b]

Clark stated he cant be with lana but now he knows she really loves him but shed be in danger if she knew the truth:
did we watch a piderman movie or what:D ?

it was a strange episode. i dotn knwo if i hate it or love it.

at least i saw some good cgi. the fortress was amazing and the jump with lana was great.:up:

[user123456789]

I was just thinking about the Clois foreshadowing in this ep. Yeah, I know sometimes they can hit us over the head with it. Not that I mind that being a Clois fan since Superman I and not to mention that it ticks off the Chloisers (always a plus)

While this was a nice wink at the audience that yes Lois and Clark end up together in the future, it was much more than that. It showed how Lois really feels about Clark. Pet peeve...but I get so tired over everyone saying how much they hate each other. They bicker and banter, but that doesn't mean they don't like each other. The end of Lucy, Exposed and Aqua all confirm that they consider each other a friend.

But I think this is my favorite bit of foreshadowing yet because it shows what Lois really thinks about Clark. She says she would consider herself lucky if she ended up with a guy as honorable as Clark. You don't say that about a guy you look down on, don't like or don't respect.

Yeah, my favorite bit of foreshadowing so far. And Clark saves her too. Good Clois as far as I'm concerned.

great post. i have to admit, i was a bit surprised when she said those things about Clark to Lana. :supes:

[Spaceballs]

Clark stated he cant be with lana but now he knows she really loves him but shed be in danger if she knew the truth

What about

Chloe

Pete

& Ma Kent ?

Its not the same for them knowing ? Lana just makes ****ed up choices :down

[user123456789]

I didnt see Clark blaming Lex last night for what happened. He told Jor-el, that this isnt her destiny. If I hadnt told her about me, then none of this would have happened.

The only time he mentioned Lex was when he was telling Chloe what happened, and even then he didnt blame Lex.

whoa! you went into first person mode with Clark there for a bit. lol.

[Ultimate_Superman]

This is why I say I hate the direction SV is going they were just fine on the right path now their going into a soap opera type of thing which is kind of sad because IMO it is falling down the same path as Lois and Clark now which was a great show till it went down the same path.

[dark_b]

What about

Chloe

Pete

& Ma Kent ?

Its not the same for them knowing ? Lana just makes ****ed up choices :downyou didnt quote all. because this was a joke. you see?

Clark stated he cant be with lana but now he knows she really loves him but shed be in danger if she knew the truth: did we watch a spiderman movie or what:D ?

[Venom71]

What about

Chloe

Pete

& Ma Kent ?

Its not the same for them knowing ? Lana just makes ****ed up choices :down
Actually the writers make her decisions for her. ;)

[Ultimate_Superman]

No it was Spider-Man meets Groundhog Day

[Happenstance]

Im just sick of all the stuff with Lana now, its getting very boring for me

[Super_Ludacris]

No it was Spider-Man meets Groundhog Day

Both good movies, Smallville a good show too:confused: :D

[The Incredible Hulk]

This is why I say I hate the direction SV is going they were just fine on the right path now their going into a soap opera type of thing which is kind of sad because IMO it is falling down the same path as Lois and Clark now which was a great show till it went down the same path.

actually if it was going down the Lois and Clark it wouldve been cancelled after Season 4, and Lana would've known the secret long ago...

[dark_b]

Im just sick of all the stuff with Lana now, its getting very boring for meyou mean:
clark and lana together
clark and lana not together
clark and lana together
clark and lana not together
clark and lana together
clark and lana not together
clark and lana together
clark and lana not together
clark and lana together
clark and lana not together
.
.
.
.
clark and lois together.

[Ultimate_Superman]

actually if it was going down the Lois and Clark it wouldve been cancelled after Season 4, and Lana would've known the secret long ago...They started down the Lois and Clark trail during season 4 and just kept on it saying f-up to any warning signs.

[Abaddon]

Theyve run the Clana thing to death.Its ridiculous.And where was the anger and resentful Lana shouldve felt,knowing now that Clark was at least partially responsible for her parents deaths?Eech.The weakest aspect of this show is its repetitiveness.The writers are so focused on keeping the status quo.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I tell you what though the moment Lana sleeps with Lex is the moment I am going to stop watching the show I already read Sins of the Past I dont need to see it live on TV.

[Pede-Pedaw]

Question for the superman comicbook readers: Does Jonathan die in the comics? If so, when?

Just curious because this is the second time I've seen Pa Kent go down from a heart attack (S:TM and SV). But I've also seen him alive and kicking in Lois and Clark and the Superman animated series. I guess I just wanted to know which was more true to the comics.

[Abaddon]

Haha,that thought actually came across my mind as I watched the Lana/Lex scene.I kept wondering if she was going to be seduced by his "magnetism".Especially considering Lana is basically the Gwen Stacy of the Smallvilleverse.

[The Incredible Hulk]

In the pre-crisis comics, yes he did die. Post crisis they've kept him around.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yea in Pre-Crisis Pa and Ma Kent die at the same time when Superman was Superboy. In post-crisis he died to bring Superman back to life when Superman died.

[dark_b]

the answer is: it is both right.

[Red]

my big question is if its not safe for lana to know why is it safe for others? lol it just didnt add up to me

Lana = idiot.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Haha,that thought actually came across my mind as I watched the Lana/Lex scene.I kept wondering if she was going to be seduced by his "magnetism".Especially considering Lana is basically the Gwen Stacy of the Smallvilleverse.No I am just saying they way things are going it is like I am watching a live verison of that comic.

[Kane]

Yea in Pre-Crisis Pa and Ma Kent die at the same time when Superman was Superboy. In post-crisis he died to bring Superman back to life when Superman died.

WTF? Pa Kent is still alive..

[Super_Ludacris]

They just run the show like that

[Abaddon]

No I am just saying they way things are going it is like I am watching a live verison of that comic.


I dont think theyll go that route.

[MJZ]

No one seems to mention that with Jonathan gone, Clark can become closer to Jor-El? That's another step closer to the \S/...

[Ultimate_Superman]

WTF? Pa Kent is still alive..No he died to bring Clark back though in comic time it was like only mins or sec he died to bring Superman back to life during the death of Superman time.

[Zing79]

OK, now I’m getting a little frustrated. If you’re going to be pissed about something, understand what that is.

Let’s learn something shall we?
Hamlet is one of the greatest works ever written by Shakespeare. Of all the pivotal characters in Hamlet, Ophelia (his girlfriend) is the most static and one-dimensional. Ophelia herself is not as important as her representation of the dual nature of women in the play. Ophelia's purpose is to show at once Hamlet's warped view of women as callous sexual predators, and the innocence and virtue of women.

She’s there solely to push forward themes that are important to HAMLET!!!!! Sound familiar? I don't see people *****ing and moaning about this play because of Ophelia's representation.

In this episode, Lana is there SIMPLY as a catalyst. Her SOLE role is to be there to show Clark that he is not a God. That he can't save everyone. That the Universe and fates are far more powerful them him. That the combined efforts of TWO Kryptonians isn't enough to subvert the will of the Universe.

Lana NEEDED to find out, so Clark could watch her die -- so Clark could try to undo the will of the Universe. In trying to do that (by not telling her the second time), he set off a chain of events that resulted in his father's death.

What's a more important !#@%!#@ theme here?
I am not a God?
or
My girlfriend knows my secret?

[Happenstance]

No one seems to mention that with Jonathan gone, Clark can become closer to Jor-El? That's another step closer to the \S/...

If it was me this would drive me a lot further away

[Ultimate_Superman]

I dont think theyll go that route.I never thought Spider-Man would and look at what happened. I mean they brought a woman back from the dead just to rub her name in mud and now they are doing the same to Lana.

[Ultimate_Superman]

OK, now I’m getting a little frustrated. If you’re going to be pissed about something, understand what that is.

Let’s learn something shall we?
Hamlet is one of the greatest works ever written by Shakespeare. Of all the pivotal characters in Hamlet, Ophelia (his girlfriend) is the most static and one-dimensional. Ophelia herself is not as important as her representation of the dual nature of women in the play. Ophelia's purpose is to show at once Hamlet's warped view of women as callous sexual predators, and the innocence and virtue of women.

She’s there solely to push forward themes that are important to HAMLET!!!!! Sound familiar? I don't see people *****ing and moaning about this play because of Ophelia's representation.

In this episode, Lana is there SIMPLY as a catalyst. Her SOLE role is to be there to show Clark that he is not a God. That he can't save everyone. That the Universe and fates are far more powerful them him. That the combined efforts of TWO Kryptonians isn't enough to subvert the will of the Universe.

Lana NEEDED to find out, so Clark could watch her die -- so Clark could try to undo the will of the Universe. In trying to do that (by not telling her the second time), he set off a chain of events that resulted in his father's death.

What's a more important !#@%!#@ theme here?
I am not a God?
or
My girlfriend knows my secret?Okay but all that could have been expressed with his dad dying and then telling Lana at the end of the show. See here is my thing they could have still had him tell Lana but maybe this time have Lana want some space or something right now. It was just poorly done.

[Abaddon]

Dont even get me started on Sins Past.:down:

[The Incredible Hulk]

OK, now I’m getting a little frustrated. If you’re going to be pissed about something, understand what that is.

Let’s learn something shall we?
Hamlet is one of the greatest works ever written by Shakespeare. Of all the pivotal characters in Hamlet, Ophelia (his girlfriend) is the most static and one-dimensional. Ophelia herself is not as important as her representation of the dual nature of women in the play. Ophelia's purpose is to show at once Hamlet's warped view of women as callous sexual predators, and the innocence and virtue of women.

She’s there solely to push forward themes that are important to HAMLET!!!!! Sound familiar? I don't see people *****ing and moaning about this play because of Ophelia's representation.

In this episode, Lana is there SIMPLY as a catalyst. Her SOLE role is to be there to show Clark that he is not a God. That he can't save everyone. That the Universe and fates are far more powerful them him. That the combined efforts of TWO Kryptonians isn't enough to subvert the will of the Universe.

Lana NEEDED to find out, so Clark could watch her die -- so Clark could try to undo the will of the Universe. In trying to do that (by not telling her the second time), he set off a chain of events that resulted in his father's death.

What's a more important !#@%!#@ theme here?
I am not a God?
or
My girlfriend knows my secret?

nice post :up: *starts 80's movie slow clap*

[avidreader]

OK, now I’m getting a little frustrated. If you’re going to be pissed about something, understand what that is.

Let’s learn something shall we?
Hamlet is one of the greatest works ever written by Shakespeare. Of all the pivotal characters in Hamlet, Ophelia (his girlfriend) is the most static and one-dimensional. Ophelia herself is not as important as her representation of the dual nature of women in the play. Ophelia's purpose is to show at once Hamlet's warped view of women as callous sexual predators, and the innocence and virtue of women.

She’s there solely to push forward themes that are important to HAMLET!!!!! Sound familiar? I don't see people *****ing and moaning about this play because of Ophelia's representation.

In this episode, Lana is there SIMPLY as a catalyst. Her SOLE role is to be there to show Clark that he is not a God. That he can't save everyone. That the Universe and fates are far more powerful them him. That the combined efforts of TWO Kryptonians isn't enough to subvert the will of the Universe.

Lana NEEDED to find out, so Clark could watch her die -- so Clark could try to undo the will of the Universe. In trying to do that (by not telling her the second time), he set off a chain of events that resulted in his father's death.

What's a more important !#@%!#@ theme here?
I am not a God?
or
My girlfriend knows my secret?

Man you make some great posts. :up:

People always carry on about Smallville being Dawsons Creek and when they use a character, as Zing has illustrated above, they dismiss it as the character being useles.

**********

I watched it a third time this morning and I get more emotional with each viewing, but there is something unusual about the look on Lana's face after the second bus incident. First viewing, I thought perhaps that she saw Clark, but now I think maybe there is more to it. Did she have a feeling of deja vu?

[Zing79]

If it was me this would drive me a lot further away
How, how exactly would it drive you away? Jor-El didn't take this life. The Universe did. As retrobution for Jor-El keeping Clark alive.

Jor-El TOLD Clark in the FOS the **Universe** was going to take someone no matter what. Jor-El told Clark NEITHER of them were God's, and that NEITHER of them could stop this from happening.

You wanna know what part Jor-El played in ALL this? He kept his only son alive knowing full well the Universe was going to collect on that. Sound familiar? Like maybe keeping your girlfriend alive knowing full well the Universe is going to collect on that.

They are A LOT closer after this episode then they were before.

[BaK]

10 out of 10 !
:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

[Super_Ludacris]

nice post :up: *starts 80's movie slow clap*


*joins in the slow 80's clap*

[Super_Ludacris]

Zing79, Avidreader your my heroes :(

[Happenstance]

How, how exactly would it drive you away? Jor-El didn't take this life. The Universe did. As retrobution for Jor-El keeping Clark alive.

Jor-El TOLD Clark in the FOS the **Universe** was going to take someone no matter what. Jor-El told Clark NEITHER of them were God's, and that NEITHER of them could stop this from happening.

You wanna know what part Jor-El played in ALL this? He kept his only son alive knowing full well the Universe was going to collect on that. Sound familiar? Like maybe keeping your girlfriend alive knowing full well the Universe is going to collect on that.

They are A LOT closer after this episode then they were before.

I totally understand that but I guess it depends if Clark believes that the universe would want to even the scales and not Jor-El making good on his promise himself.

We can see a lot easier that it wasnt Jor-El that did it but as I said before if I was in Clarks shoes id find it pretty hard to believe that the universe took his dads life and not Jor-El who said it would happen.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I watched it a third time this morning and I get more emotional with each viewing, but there is something unusual about the look on Lana's face after the second bus incident. First viewing, I thought perhaps that she saw Clark, but now I think maybe there is more to it. Did she have a feeling of deja vu?I thought the same too and what I am hoping is that she remembers things. But just trying sort it all out.

[Abaddon]

OK, now I’m getting a little frustrated. If you’re going to be pissed about something, understand what that is.

Let’s learn something shall we?
Hamlet is one of the greatest works ever written by Shakespeare. Of all the pivotal characters in Hamlet, Ophelia (his girlfriend) is the most static and one-dimensional. Ophelia herself is not as important as her representation of the dual nature of women in the play. Ophelia's purpose is to show at once Hamlet's warped view of women as callous sexual predators, and the innocence and virtue of women.

She’s there solely to push forward themes that are important to HAMLET!!!!! Sound familiar? I don't see people *****ing and moaning about this play because of Ophelia's representation.

In this episode, Lana is there SIMPLY as a catalyst. Her SOLE role is to be there to show Clark that he is not a God. That he can't save everyone. That the Universe and fates are far more powerful them him. That the combined efforts of TWO Kryptonians isn't enough to subvert the will of the Universe.

Lana NEEDED to find out, so Clark could watch her die -- so Clark could try to undo the will of the Universe. In trying to do that (by not telling her the second time), he set off a chain of events that resulted in his father's death.

What's a more important !#@%!#@ theme here?
I am not a God?
or
My girlfriend knows my secret?


So basically,instead of finding new ways to explore the same themes,they just want to use the same character to explore the same theme over and over again.

[Venom71]

Zing is making some really great points...I watched the episode a second time and thought it was great. I liked it when I watched it last night but I liked it even more the second time around.:up: :up:

[Zing79]

Okay but all that could have been expressed with his dad dying and then telling Lana at the end of the show. See here is my thing they could have still had him tell Lana but maybe this time have Lana want some space or something right now. It was just poorly done.
I understand people really want Clark to tell her, but...
One problem with that order of events. He never tries to play God. He never gets a chance to try to undo what the Universe had put in motion.
So Jonathan dies of a heart attack and he watches on not being able to do anything about it.

That's not quite the same lesson as him actually TRYING to interfere in the course of human history. In this episode BOTH the viewer and Clark get to see the Universe working, and both of us should have come to realize that Clark isn’t more powerful then that.

You realize Clark in Smallville just learned a lesson that Superman in STM never learned?

[Serene]

Wow. I really need a break from you people. My RL drama sucks enough.. I don't need my playtime fun bringing me down too.

[avidreader]

Zing is making some really great points...I watched the episode a second time and thought it was great. I liked it when I watched it last night but I liked it even more the second time around.:up: :up:

And its even better the third time. ;)

I thought the same too and what I am hoping is that she remembers things. But just trying sort it all out.

I think that would make an interesting arc for her.

[Super_Ludacris]

So basically,instead of finding new ways to explore the same themes,they just want to use the same character to explore the same theme over and over again.

That is what there doing anyway

[Ultimate_Superman]

I understand people really want Clark to tell her, but...
One problem with that order of events. He never tries to play God. He never gets a chance to try to undo what the Universe had put in motion.
So Jonathan dies of a heart attack and he watches on not being able to do anything about it.

That's not quite the same lesson as him actually TRYING to interfere in the course of human history. In this episode BOTH the viewer and Clark get to see the Universe working, and both of us should have come to realize that Clark isn’t more powerful then that.

You realize Clark in Smallville just learned a lesson that Superman in STM never learned?and what was that as I said before Superman in the movie learned that lesson just as well the WB or whoever was in charge of the movies during that time just cut it out and made it into another movie. Also I see where you going with this Hamlet stuff I read and seen the play many times. My issue with the show is that they are now going down the Lois and Clark road or Sins or the Past and I think its a shame because their are so many other ways or things that can be done to prevent this.

[avidreader]

Wow. I really need a break from you people. My RL drama sucks enough.. I don't need my playtime fun bringing me down too.

Always look on the bright side of life
da dum, da dum da dum da dum

:D

and what was that as I said before Superman in the movie learned that lesson just as well the WB or whoever was in charge of the movies during that time just cut it out and made it into another movie. Also I see where you going with this Hamlet stuff I read and seen the play many times. My issue with the show is that they are now going down the Lois and Clark road or Sins or the Past and I think its a shame because their are so many other ways or things that can be done to prevent this.


Tony its not even close to Lois & Clark. They never dealt with issues like this. It was always bad guy does bad, Lois & Clark investigate, Superman saves the day. A little bit of comedy thrown in for fun.

There were never any issues that made Clark take a step back and assess his power and purpose in the world.

[Zing79]

So basically,instead of finding new ways to explore the same themes,they just want to use the same character to explore the same theme over and over again.
So Clark trying to play God and failing (as far as I know a new theme) using the plot device of Clark telling Lana his secret (as fas I know he's never sat down and told her about it) is considered the same themes, using the same characters?

I'm kind of lost.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Also Zing remember he knew what happened even in Superman II you do see some of Donners work of how it was suppose to be. Like him going back to the FOS telling his dad he messed up or in the dinner where he says "I knew this would hapen I just didn't listen" Remember he was stripped of his powers because he didn't listen to Jor-El and turned back time. Same thing as SV.

[user123456789]

You realize Clark in Smallville just learned a lesson that Superman in STM never learned?

interesting.

[Kaboom]

OK, now I’m getting a little frustrated. If you’re going to be pissed about something, understand what that is.

Let’s learn something shall we?
Hamlet is one of the greatest works ever written by Shakespeare. Of all the pivotal characters in Hamlet, Ophelia (his girlfriend) is the most static and one-dimensional. Ophelia herself is not as important as her representation of the dual nature of women in the play. Ophelia's purpose is to show at once Hamlet's warped view of women as callous sexual predators, and the innocence and virtue of women.

She’s there solely to push forward themes that are important to HAMLET!!!!! Sound familiar? I don't see people *****ing and moaning about this play because of Ophelia's representation.

In this episode, Lana is there SIMPLY as a catalyst. Her SOLE role is to be there to show Clark that he is not a God. That he can't save everyone. That the Universe and fates are far more powerful them him. That the combined efforts of TWO Kryptonians isn't enough to subvert the will of the Universe.

Lana NEEDED to find out, so Clark could watch her die -- so Clark could try to undo the will of the Universe. In trying to do that (by not telling her the second time), he set off a chain of events that resulted in his father's death.

What's a more important !#@%!#@ theme here?
I am not a God?
or
My girlfriend knows my secret?

in Hamlet Ophelia is how we see how crazy Hamlet is becoming. shes kind of like the picture in Dorian Grey. We only see how bad the protagonist is because of the effect the protagnoist has on a separate object.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Tony its not even close to Lois & Clark. They never dealt with issues like this. It was always bad guy does bad, Lois & Clark investigate, Superman saves the day. A little bit of comedy thrown in for fun.

There were never any issues that made Clark take a step back and assess his power and purpose in the world.Okay lets go again in Lois and Clark he already knew who and what he was. They didn't make his father a bastard but showed him to be more like MOS Jor-El. The only thing SV has touched on that L&C didn't is the dath of a parent. Other then that they have been going down that path for a while. L&C end of season 3 and all of season 4 is starting to shows its face in SV now and they need to fix that.

[Tron5000]

Okay but all that could have been expressed with his dad dying and then telling Lana at the end of the show. See here is my thing they could have still had him tell Lana but maybe this time have Lana want some space or something right now. It was just poorly done.

But remember, Clark said that as long as Lana knows his secret, whoever is out to do harm to Clark will always be looking at Lana, too. Though her death was prevented this one time, Clark feels that Lana knowing his secret will always put her in harm's way, and he cares way too much for her to do that.

The selfish thing to do would be to try to keep the woman you love and always try to protect her from harm. She's safer not knowing his secret.

[user123456789]

But remember, Clark said that as long as Lana knows his secret, whoever is out to do harm to Clark will always be looking at Lana, too. Though her death was prevented this one time, Clark feels that Lana knowing his secret will always put her in harm's way, and he cares way too much for her to do that.

The selfish thing to do would be to try to keep the woman you love and always try to protect her from harm. She's safer not knowing his secret.

clark should just got back to season 3 mode...

Lana: Alicia told me you were still in love with me... but that was crazy too right...
Clark: (reluctantly) right...

[Kane]

No he died to bring Clark back though in comic time it was like only mins or sec he died to bring Superman back to life during the death of Superman time.

I cant even remember that. It was in the 90s.....but hes still alive now...

This is what the Superman Homepage says:

"Jonathan had a heart attack and in a near death experience helped Superman's spirit return from another place."

Near-Death....but Jonathan didnt actually die. Hes alive.

[Ultimate_Superman]

But remember, Clark said that as long as Lana knows his secret, whoever is out to do harm to Clark will always be looking at Lana, too. Though her death was prevented this one time, Clark feels that Lana knowing his secret will always put her in harm's way, and he cares way too much for her to do that.

The selfish thing to do would be to try to keep the woman you love and always try to protect her from harm. She's safer not knowing his secret.Once again we had Spider-Man come out from the people who (now this may come as surprise) wrote Spider-Man

[mellyM]

OK, now I’m getting a little frustrated. If you’re going to be pissed about something, understand what that is.

Let’s learn something shall we?
Hamlet is one of the greatest works ever written by Shakespeare. Of all the pivotal characters in Hamlet, Ophelia (his girlfriend) is the most static and one-dimensional. Ophelia herself is not as important as her representation of the dual nature of women in the play. Ophelia's purpose is to show at once Hamlet's warped view of women as callous sexual predators, and the innocence and virtue of women.

She’s there solely to push forward themes that are important to HAMLET!!!!! Sound familiar? I don't see people *****ing and moaning about this play because of Ophelia's representation.

In this episode, Lana is there SIMPLY as a catalyst. Her SOLE role is to be there to show Clark that he is not a God. That he can't save everyone. That the Universe and fates are far more powerful them him. That the combined efforts of TWO Kryptonians isn't enough to subvert the will of the Universe.

Lana NEEDED to find out, so Clark could watch her die -- so Clark could try to undo the will of the Universe. In trying to do that (by not telling her the second time), he set off a chain of events that resulted in his father's death.

What's a more important !#@%!#@ theme here?
I am not a God?
or
My girlfriend knows my secret?
*applauds* that was beautiful,and I don't get why people don't see it,and why people don't see the life altering themes presented in this episode, and how crucial they are to the *super* man he is to become.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I cant even remember that. It was in the 90s.....but hes still alive now...

This is what the Superman Homepage says:

"Jonathan had a heart attack and in a near death experience helped Superman's spirit return from another place."

Near-Death....but Jonathan didnt actually die. Hes alive.No in the comics he flat lined and rode it for a while. Let me put it a better way then he died on the table for a brief moment in comic time.

[RakuMon]

I watched it a third time this morning and I get more emotional with each viewing, but there is something unusual about the look on Lana's face after the second bus incident. First viewing, I thought perhaps that she saw Clark, but now I think maybe there is more to it. Did she have a feeling of deja vu?

Yeah, I watched it a second time last night and was more emotional the second time. I think it's because already knowing the plot details allowed me to really concentrate on the performances, and boy were they brutal! I definitely lost it the second time around!

As for Lana's face at the second accident. She wasn't looking at Clark. She was looking at Jonathan, and the director illustrated the hands of fate moving to Jonathan since it was denied Lana. That's why the camera slowed down and why Lana had that look on her face. It was a kind of deja vu.

And I've been wanting to state my case for Reckoning but Zing's been knocking 'em out the park all day! I've got nothing else to add other than my thoughts on Jor-El's deal from "Hidden."

For the longest time, I was in the "Don't Kill Pa Kent" camp for the same reasons that a lot of people are complaining. I thought Clark would blame Jor-El for taking his life. But the way it was explained made COMPLETE sense. The reason Clark will lose someone was not because of Jor-El, but because of the balance of the universe. Because Jor-El mucked with it the first time to save the one he loved (namely Kal-El), he set those events in motion. Just like Clark did last night. I think that's something Clark will figure out through the rest of the season.

I always argued that recycling the "All my powers and I couldn't save him" lesson from STM wouldn't work on Smallville. Luckily the writers agreed and decided to teach Clark a different, more poignant lesson. "Despite my abilities, I cannot alter the will of the universe."

[Mister J]

But remember, Clark said that as long as Lana knows his secret, whoever is out to do harm to Clark will always be looking at Lana, too. Though her death was prevented this one time, Clark feels that Lana knowing his secret will always put her in harm's way, and he cares way too much for her to do that.

The selfish thing to do would be to try to keep the woman you love and always try to protect her from harm. She's safer not knowing his secret.

That whole 'Lana will be in danger if Clark tells her' doesn't fly. Anyone who would want to get at Clark's secret through people close to him already has a good number of options (Martha, Chloe, Lois, Pete, Lana, etc.). Him telling her does nothing to put her in danger. Someone looking to do harm would just strike at those close to him.

His decision not to tell her is just a continuation of the insecrutity that has marred this version of Clark since the series started. I'm hoping to see less of that now that Jonathan's gone.

[Zing79]

in Hamlet Ophelia is how we see how crazy Hamlet is becoming. shes kind of like the picture in Dorian Grey. We only see how bad the protagonist is because of the effect the protagnoist has on a separate object.
...and that also. Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not, but everything she does in the play (and everything that happens to her) is merely done to show us something about Hamlet.

[Ultimate_Superman]

No its just them writing Clark Kent like Peter Parker.

[user123456789]

As for Lana's face at the second accident. She wasn't looking at Clark. She was looking at Jonathan, and the director illustrated the hands of fate moving to Jonathan since it was denied Lana. That's why the camera slowed down and why Lana had that look on her face. It was a kind of deja vu.


i think its a little before that. she sees clark. not when she gets out and talks with lex.

[Spaceballs]

[quote=Originally Posted by Zing79
You realize Clark in Smallville just learned a lesson that Superman in STM never learned? [/quote]


How so ?

STM Clark - Turns back time to save the girl he loves

SV Clark - Turns back time to save the girl he loves

STM Clark - Looses his dad in a way he was never able to save

SV Clark - Looses his dad in a way he was never able to save him

(Sv Clark)
A) The Lionel confrontation would HAVE HAPPENED NO MATTER WHAT Clark just post poned it

B) Jonathans heart would have given out NO MATTER WHAT again if it didnt happen the first time he was going to run into Lionel it would have been the next day

Seems 100 % THE SAME to me

STM 2 Clark - looses his powers becomes Human

SV Clark - looses his powers & becomes Human

STM 1 & 2 - Clark - Disobeys Jor El a few times & later suffered the consequences

SV Clark - Disobeys Jor El a few times & suffers the consequences

Seems the same to me


[/I]

[Kaboom]

...and that also. Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not, but everything she does in the play (and everything that happens to her) is merely done to show us something about Hamlet.

i agree with you to an extent....Hamlet is definetly my favortie play. ive read it more times then i can count. I even wrote a paper on it in undergrad, where i prove that it was Gertrude who was actually the main bad guy....err...girl...and was secretly behind everyhitng. in fact, i show how it was gertrude that killed Ophelia. i know i knpw...ophelia drowned in a stream....my prof loved it gave me an "A"

[The Incredible Hulk]

in STM (at least the version we saw) Clark never suffered any consequences for turning back time. In Reckoning ,Clark turned back time but still suffered the death, just with another person.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Here is my point and the reason why this show pisses me off just like that fact of Lois having a baby in SR. This may not follow nor does it have to follow the comics to a tee but it is still based off of the heroes that we all know and loved and grew up with. Now some of you may have got into Superman from just watching the show or movies and thats all you may know of him so some of you are like who cares but I grew up on both and I right now see this show as how they did Gwen in Sins of the past because right now they are killing many of the people on this show and really need to get back to basic on what made this show magic when John Kent died they did it. When he told Lana the truth they did it. But how they mind wiped everything was poorly done and no matter how great some parts maybe when you do a main point like that and do it very poorly that is what will stick out the most and this Lex Lana thing just adds on to it for me.

[Spaceballs]

in STM (at least the version we saw) Clark never suffered any consequences for turning back time. In Reckoning ,Clark turned back time but still suffered the death, just with another person.

& Clark KNEW that would happen in advanced

[Ultimate_Superman]

in STM (at least the version we saw) yet wait till the summer

[Kaboom]

i think we all would have been happy with the episode if lana knew the secret...it seems to me that the whole mind wiping thing is everyones grief. maybe the AG and MM will get the hint...its time.

[Tron5000]

That whole 'Lana will be in danger if Clark tells her' doesn't fly. Anyone who would want to get at Clark's secret through people close to him already has a good number of options (Martha, Chloe, Lois, Pete, Lana, etc.). Him telling her does nothing to put her in danger. Someone looking to do harm would just strike at those close to him.

His decision not to tell her is just a continuation of the insecrutity that has marred this version of Clark since the series started. I'm hoping to see less of that now that Jonathan's gone.
However, Clark did see last night how Lana's knowing could lead directly to her demise, something he has always worried about.

On another note, when Lois said she would be lucky to end up with someone as honorable as Clark, does anyone think this sets up some Clark-Lois action either later in this season or in the next?

[Tron5000]

And again, this is Smallville. There's certainly a chance that Lana will either somehow remember what happened or will find out another way, leading to a whole "Why didn't you tell me?" thing. There's still plenty of room for Lana to know Clark's secret.

[Spaceballs]

I wonder what the WB & Show Creators must think of everyones reactions to this Episode being VERY mixed. They surely must have NOT seen this coming

[triplet]

...this thread is giving me a headache.

[Spaceballs]

...this thread is giving me a headache.

Bet NO ONE thought this Thread would turn out like this lol