Reckoning Discussion Thread (100th episode, Spoilers) [Archive] - Page 5

The Caped Knight

01-04-2006, 03:18 PM

Jonathan is only deceased in Pre-Crisis continuity and the Donner flicks. In all other iterations of the legend, the Kents are alive (which is something I always liked about the Superman character. That he wasn't driven to superherodom out of grief or guilt or tragedy, but because his parents instilled the goodness in him). In the comics since 1986, in Lois & Clark, in the Timm/Dini animated series and in Smallville. Even the comics have taken a cue and drastically de-aged Jonathan and Martha ever since Birthright.

Well said.

Tragedy & Guilt didn't Create SUPERMAN. (It was his parents Jonathan & Martha Kent's up bring, even when he became Superman before Lois was his wife, Clark had his parents to talk to when he faced a problem .)

Tragedy created BATMAN, The death of Thomas & Martha Wayne . murdered before his eyes at the age of eight. Bruce Wayne swore an oath to rid the city of the evil that had taken his parents' lives. He spent his youth traveling the world, training himself to intellectual and physical perfection and learning a variety of crime-fighting skills.While abroad, Bruce learned all 127 major styles of combat fighting. after several years of traveling Bruce returned to Gotham City & remembering what scared him when he was a little boy the swarm{BATS} Bruce took up The mantle and became BATMAN.

Guilt created SPIDER-MAN, Peter Parker attended a science exhibition where he was bitten by a Radioactive spider, that gave him Amazing Super powers creating The Amazing SPIDER-MAN .But Peter Parker (like any idoit teenager) learned The hard way that "With Great Power come great responsibility." The Death Of his Uncle Ben drove that message home after peter realized if he had only stoped the thief when he had the chance he would have prevented his uncle's death. Because of that Peter as Spider-man has devoted life to fighting injustice .

Telekinetic

01-04-2006, 03:19 PM

do you guys kno that clark asks lana to marry him in this ep? sorry if im behind but im new here.=P

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 03:26 PM

Only funny to a clown like yourself.

But you think from the other perspective

You basically said Lana should die so Chloe can get some shine:o come on, do you really think that's the answer?
You talk about Chloe being more suited for a reporter over Lana. In Smallville of course but you act like this is going into the never-going-to-happen "Metropolis" show that everyone wants. And that's not to say it is

Lana's left in the dust and Lex's is too evil to get with her? We've been saying for years if Lana gets with Lex that will be a great idea to throw into the catalyst of Clark and Lex's future. Some purists say no because that's not in the comics but again (say with me now kids) this is smallville and they determine there own future.Now we all know the problem with Lana is that she doesn't get good storylines. But it's like I said (and everyone agreed) if spent more time thinking of better storylines and letting the writers they'll break. I think if Lana goes with Lex that adds it creates even better dynamic and if Lana can be ruthless and share a bond with Lex (over years of course) and thats adds an interesting dynamic to Clark's future. It's better than "Oh hey ok we did nothing with her the last two seasons...let's kill her".

and no offense (much) but you saying Chloe is more suited for Clark's future sounds like K-site fan.

You say she isn't that critical or relevant to Clark's future but even in the comics she was a close friend. I don't think killing her off because they can't please the fans with the way write her is the way to do it. Hell, let them break up or whatever in the 100th episode if Clark reveals everything to her and then start fresh and make it intresting now that she sees things from a different perspective it makes her interesting again and throws her back into the mix of things

Again Killing her off would be a suprise but she's one of the main characters on the show (the big 3 and all that) so do just brush her off like that could be a precieved risk as well. She did attract viewers initally (not all, some) and losing makes things seem odd and out of place

I think Johnathan's death and whoever else plus Lana getting closer Lex, shapes Clark's attitude and perspective to things as well

JAX

01-04-2006, 03:31 PM

1000 posts in this damn thread, and the episode wont air for 3 weeks.... :eek:

What can I say..it's a hyped episode. Hopefully ratings will go through the roof.

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 03:42 PM

Well said.

Tragedy & Guilt didn't Create SUPERMAN. (It was his parents Jonathan & Martha Kent's up bring, even when he became Superman before Lois was his wife, Clark had his parents to talk to when he faced a problem .)

Tragedy created BATMAN, The death of Thomas & Martha Wayne . murdered before his eyes at the age of eight. Bruce Wayne swore an oath to rid the city of the evil that had taken his parents' lives. He spent his youth traveling the world, training himself to intellectual and physical perfection and learning a variety of crime-fighting skills.While abroad, Bruce learned all 127 major styles of combat fighting. after several years of traveling Bruce returned to Gotham City & remembering what scared him when he was a little boy the swarm{BATS} Bruce took up The mantle and became BATMAN.

Guilt created SPIDER-MAN, Peter Parker attended a science exhibition where he was bitten by a Radioactive spider, that gave him Amazing Super powers creating The Amazing SPIDER-MAN .But Peter Parker (like any idoit teenager) learned The hard way that "With Great Power come great responsibility." The Death Of his Uncle Ben drove that message home after peter realized if he had only stoped the thief when he had the chance he would have prevented his uncle's death. Because of that Peter as Spider-man has devoted life to fighting injustice .

I'm amussing then by this you don't want a death episode to shape Clark's characterstics and destiny but let it be what it is. One of the things I enjoy about DC is that they allow there characters to be interpreted differently. That might anger some fans but at the same if the interpretation is fresh it's ok. So I don't think its a problem if "Guilt and Tragedy" shape up Superman as much as Mom, Dad, Apple Pie and the American Way or whatever

Kane

01-04-2006, 03:46 PM

But you think from the other perspective

You basically said Lana should die so Chloe can get some shine:o come on, do you really think that's the answer?
You talk about Chloe being more suited for a reporter over Lana. In Smallville of course but you act like this is going into the never-going-to-happen "Metropolis" show that everyone wants. And that's not to say it is

Lana's left in the dust and Lex's is too evil to get with her? We've been saying for years if Lana gets with Lex that will be a great idea to throw into the catalyst of Clark and Lex's future. Some purists say no because that's not in the comics but again (say with me now kids) this is smallville and they determine there own future.Now we all know the problem with Lana is that she doesn't get good storylines. But it's like I said (and everyone agreed) if spent more time thinking of better storylines and letting the writers they'll break. I think if Lana goes with Lex that adds it creates even better dynamic and if Lana can be ruthless and share a bond with Lex (over years of course) and thats adds an interesting dynamic to Clark's future. It's better than "Oh hey ok we did nothing with her the last two seasons...let's kill her".

and no offense (much) but you saying Chloe is more suited for Clark's future sounds like K-site fan.

You say she isn't that critical or relevant to Clark's future but even in the comics she was a close friend. I don't think killing her off because they can't please the fans with the way write her is the way to do it. Hell, let them break up or whatever in the 100th episode if Clark reveals everything to her and then start fresh and make it intresting now that she sees things from a different perspective it makes her interesting again and throws her back into the mix of things

Again Killing her off would be a suprise but she's one of the main characters on the show (the big 3 and all that) so do just brush her off like that could be a precieved risk as well. She did attract viewers initally (not all, some) and losing makes things seem odd and out of place

I think Johnathan's death and whoever else plus Lana getting closer Lex, shapes Clark's attitude and perspective to things as well

Jorel killing Jonathan is just bad taste. John should die of natural causes.

The 'big' 3 is kinda irrelevant at this point as all the characters get equal focus this season.

I'm not a Chloe fan...infact I strongly dislike Chloe...but it stands that Chloe is in the position of the traditional Lana Lang. Meaning if Lana dies, Chloe will still carry out the Lana Lang future from the comics; marrying Vice Pres Pete Ross and having his son, becoming a reporter, being the girl who was best friends with Clark since they were kids and someone who keeps his secret, being the girl who always loved Clark but he never reciprocated etc...

And Lana getting with Lex is fine for now, but when Lex is fully evil in the future....having Lana as Lex's evil sidekick is just dumb. Its a new concept but from what I've seen on Smallville, evil Lana just doesnt work. I'd rather Lana go out with some grace...than that.

Kane

01-04-2006, 03:50 PM

I'm amussing then by this you don't want a death episode to shape Clark's characterstics and destiny but let it be what it is. One of the things I enjoy about DC is that they allow there characters to be interpreted differently. That might anger some fans but at the same if the interpretation is fresh it's ok. So I don't think its a problem if "Guilt and Tragedy" shape up Superman as much as Mom, Dad, Apple Pie and the American Way or whatever

Jorel killing Clarks father Jonathan wont shape anything...it will if anything it will give Clark more of a reason to hate Jorel (and drive Clark further away from his destiny). John is probably the most influential, respected and loved person in Clark's life...hes Clarks role model too.

John dying of natual causes is fine though... but being killed by Jorel (someone John strongly dislikes and warns Clark about.....someone who gave John heart problems and put him in a 3 month coma) would be in poor taste.

JAX

01-04-2006, 03:54 PM

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 04:02 PM

Jorel killing Jonathan is just bad taste. John should die of natural causes.

The 'big' 3 is kinda irrelevant at this point as all the characters get equal focus this season.

I'm not a Chloe fan...infact I strongly dislike Chloe...but it stands that Chloe is in the position of the traditional Lana Lang. Meaning if Lana dies, Chloe will still carry out the Lana Lang future from the comics; marrying Vice Pres Pete Ross and having his son, becoming a reporter, being the girl who was best friends with Clark since they were kids and someone who keeps his secret, being the girl who always loved Clark but he never reciprocated etc...

And Lana getting with Lex is fine for now, but when Lex is fully evil in the future....having Lana as Lex's evil sidekick is just dumb. Its a new concept but from what I've seen on Smallville, evil Lana just doesnt work. I'd rather Lana go out with some grace...than that.

If the Big 3 have all gotten shine then they really aren't irrelevant. There's a reason there getting shine

But with Chloe I don't really see how she is in that position. And how in the hell do you assume she's gonna marry Pete Ross? How do you even know he's gonna be Vice-President in this world? We don't even know where he is now 2 years since his abscence. Right now Chloe is just a slight step up female Ben Urich to Clark's Matt Murdock ("Go get em Clark":o ).

Lana doesn't have to be an evil camp Lana. Your right evil Lana doesn't work if she's a camp vampire or witch. If you put her and challenge her to have a heavier role it could work.From what I heard she did her thing in Lexmas. I think you can look at it from two angles: a) Lana gets Lex. They fall in love with each other but there's this conflict there because of Lex's darker past effects Lana as well and causes a dual conflict. At the same time she could be the only light and positive in his future. The Best Lex Luthour is the one who's not 100% evil there has to be this likable charm to him on the surface and Lana can be the one who challenges both his side.Can a family man who is evil balance his life or will make his situation all the more tragic Which adds depth and duality to Lex. B) At the same time it strenghtens Lana as a character and she can be this middle person between Clark and Lex in Metropolis (even though by then as a consequence of Clark is distant with her). Within the realm of Smallville and these 3 characters are tied in best this way (remember, forget about the comics and mythology where looking in this world)

AgentPat

01-04-2006, 04:06 PM

...Now we all know the problem with Lana is that she doesn't get good storylines...That's a tough sell. I think she's has some decent storylines. Only problem is, people either don't care (Henry Small, Nell moving to Metropolis, Whitney & Jason trials & tribulations, etc.) the stories are non-sequetur (running a coffee shop when she has no clue about making coffee, or moving to Paris to go to an art school when she's showed no prior interest in art), or her importance is overstated and consequently seen as being forced into the mythos (Lanabelle and the witch/stones arc).

I've never found Lana overly interesting, but that's because she's rarely given a challenge that I personally care about, unless it directly involves Clark. But that's okay because everything revolves around him anyway. The real problem is that the writers have yet to satisfactorily explain why *Clark* finds her interesting LOL. We just have to accept she's the "love of his life," which can be irritating for some viewers, especially when there's other characters on the show that share more things in common with him.

For example, RedK aside, we KNOW *exactly* why Clark fell for Alicia - twice. The writers were very thorough in detailing Clark's fascination and attraction to Ms. Teleport: "She makes me feel normal and special at the same time." Chloe's been a HUGE influence on Clark on his career choices, she's someone he's expressed interest in, and she would literally die for him - and has said so. Oh, and he can be "himself" around her too. In fact, Chloe knows more than Alicia ever did. Then there's Lana. Other than the physical attraction - and the shoehorned witch story arc from last season - what DO they have in common? It's frustrating.

I'm GLAD Clark is FINALLY gonna spill. It's about freakin' time. At least all the cards will be on the table, not to mention a ring (LOL), so we may finally get some explanation as to the source of their mutual attraction.

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 04:09 PM

Jorel killing Clarks father Jonathan wont shape anything...it will if anything it will give Clark more of a reason to hate Jorel (and drive Clark further away from his destiny). John is probably the most influential, respected and loved person in Clark's life...hes Clarks role model too.

John dying of natual causes is fine though... but being killed by Jorel (someone John strongly dislikes and warns Clark about.....someone who gave John heart problems and put him in a 3 month coma) would be in poor taste.

How do we even know it's gonna be Jor-El that kills him in the episode? No one's really stop and thought about that.
And as far Jor-el killing John driving Clark from his destiny. I doubt it will, it's his destiny it can't be avoided. He may be Superman for the people of the Earth not for Jor-El. His vision of destiny may not be his son as Superman but as Kal-El. Do you see that slight difference? I can explain it further

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 04:11 PM

That's a tough sell. I think she's has some decent storylines. Only problem is, people either don't care (Henry Small, Nell moving to Metropolis, Whitney & Jason trials & tribulations, etc.) the stories are non-sequetur (running a coffee shop when she has no clue about making coffee, or moving to Paris to go to an art school when she's showed no prior interest in art), or her importance is overstated and consequently seen as being forced into the mythos (Lanabelle and the witch/stones arc).

I've never found Lana overly interesting, but that's because she's rarely given a challenge that I personally care about, unless it directly involves Clark

Thats what I mean when I say she needs better storylines.

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01-04-2006, 04:16 PM

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avidreader

01-04-2006, 04:21 PM

First, and I'm gonna say it out loud, STOP COMPARING THE SMALLVILLE CHARACTERS TO EVERY OTHER INCARNATION OF SUPERMAN CHARACTERS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.

This is Smallville. Clark loves Lana. Lana loves Clark. They both have a connection with each other, which has yet to be fully explored because of that big secret that gets in the way.

Lana is not going to betray Clark and shack up with Lex. She just wouldnt do it.

The love triangle that AlMiles spoke about, I think has already been played to a point. Splinter and Lexmus.

She has also partnered Lex in researching the spaceship and we will see more of that over the next couple of episodes. Lex loves Lana. Lana does not love Lex.

Chloe is a close friend only that knows Clark secret. I believe post-Reckoning that we will see how Lana manages knowing that Chloe knew before she did. In time, I think she will understand why.

And lets just see how the Jonathan/Jor-el/Clark triangle plays out before we start assuming what makes Clark becomes a World Hero.

And Pete is gone from Smallville, given an exit and wont be reactivated just for the sake of tying it into the mythos.

I'll shut up now that I've said my bit.

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 04:24 PM

I agree with everything you say Avidreader....except I think Lana-Lex interaction could be potentially interesting

BaK

01-04-2006, 04:31 PM

I have to admit I have lost track of posts here with conditions for the reward,
(if I understood this thread prize competition correctly), the first person to guess everything right gets AgentPat's plazma tv?

Somebody please explain this again, thanks! :)

And thanks to AgentPat of course. U rock girl! :up:

KalKai

01-04-2006, 04:33 PM

LOL, she's the 1 getting the plasma not us.. if Jonathan dies that is.

avidreader

01-04-2006, 04:36 PM

I agree with everything you say Avidreader....except I think Lana-Lex interaction could be potentially interesting

Well my theory is that Lana will somehow want to find out what Lex knows about Clark and she will do this by pretending to remain in some sort of partnership with him.

Something else I just thought of. This episode Reckoning is a turning point for Clark. He begins to accept who he is. Whilst Jonathan dying is going to have a huge impact on him, the one person who he has wanted acceptance from throughout this entire series is Lana. I cant see her in this episode spitting at him and telling him that she never wants anything to do with him again. She will understand and appreciate his honesty and by the time the episode Cyborg comes around she will fully accept him. I think that's what that episode is going to illustrate for us.

There are so many storylines to explored from thereon end with Lana knowing about Clark.

Okay, now I'll really shut up cause I got to go and pick my son up from schooll.

BaK

01-04-2006, 04:45 PM

LOL, she's the 1 getting the plasma not us.. if Jonathan dies that is.
Even if Jonathan doesn't she's the 1? :confused:

Kane

01-04-2006, 04:48 PM

How do we even know it's gonna be Jor-El that kills him in the episode? No one's really stop and thought about that.
And as far Jor-el killing John driving Clark from his destiny. I doubt it will, it's his destiny it can't be avoided. He may be Superman for the people of the Earth not for Jor-El. His vision of destiny may not be his son as Superman but as Kal-El. Do you see that slight difference? I can explain it further

Jorel being depicted in that manner sucks, as being an obstacle for Clark as opposed to someone who shows them the way.

And Jor-el said he would extract the life from someone that Clark loves...

For the record, if Pa Kent dies from natural causes, I would not have a problem with that....I just dont want Jor-el and Clark responsible for killing him, that'd be stupid.

Kane

01-04-2006, 04:58 PM

First, and I'm gonna say it out loud, STOP COMPARING THE SMALLVILLE CHARACTERS TO EVERY OTHER INCARNATION OF SUPERMAN CHARACTERS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.

I'm just hoping that the future of Smallville takes a closer turn to that of the already established and familiar Superman mythos as opposed to being too different. Some similar stuff like the Lex/Pete pres candidacy and other elements I mentioned arent bad.

The Pete actor may be gone from the show, but 'Pete Ross' can still be mentioned onscreen. As for Chloe and Pete hooking up, after watching alot of eps from the earlier seasons for the first time... I think it would be a nice way to go, since it was hinted.

Lana going evil and becoming Lex's b^tch is still another bad direction for the character. She seems to get the worst storylines and characterization of all of the characters...which is why I think she should be eliminated.

If G+M do pay attention to the net fanbase like someone suggested, theyll know the Chloe fans are huge in numbers, definately way more than Lana.....despite the fact I hate Chloe. Im just trying to look at what is best for the story and show without showing a particular bias to certain characters I may like and hate. I definately hate Chloe more than Lana.....but Lana is the better person to die for the sake of the story.

Zing79

01-04-2006, 05:07 PM

Another hint so to speak...we can at least rule out Lana from the picture from here on in.

Ask Ausiello column on TV Guide .com
Question: You've let me down for the last time. Smallville not in your Top 10 shows? Not even an honorable mention? The only way to redeem yourself is to drop a big hint about the person close to Clark who will die in the 100th episode. — Glenda

Ausiello: You're right. At the very least, Smallville deserved an honorable mention. (And while I'm at it, yes, Gilmore Girls deserved to be ranked. I'm ashamed of myself.) To make it up to you, here's a hint on the big death: It's not Clark, Lana, Lois or Lex. (Shhhhh!)

KalKai

01-04-2006, 05:08 PM

Posted already Zing.

AgentPat

01-04-2006, 05:11 PM

If G+M do pay attention to the net fanbase like someone suggested, theyll know the Chloe fans are huge in numbers, definately way more than Lana.....despite the fact I hate Chloe. Im just trying to look at what is best for the story and show without showing a particular bias to certain characters I may like and hate. I definately hate Chloe more than Lana.....but Lana is the better person to die for the sake of the story.Isn't funny how you can be in agreement with somebody if you just switch the names? LOL :up: :p

(I don't "hate" Lana though - I just like Chloe more.)

Oh, and BaK, the plasma TV is a bet with my husband. He thinks it'll be Chloe. I've been saying Jonathan. Whoever "wins" gets to chose where the TV goes - basically his "play room" or mine. LOL If both characters are offed in Reckoning, then we'll just draw straws or something.

Kane

01-04-2006, 05:12 PM

You know he could simply be basing that statement on seeing those pictures of Jonathan and Clark (before we did)....Did he actually see the episode?

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 05:14 PM

The Pete actor may be gone from the show, but 'Pete Ross' can still be mentioned onscreen. As for Chloe and Pete hooking up, after watching alot of eps from the earlier seasons for the first time... I think it would be a nice way to go, since it was hinted.

Lana going evil and becoming Lex's b^tch is still another bad direction for the character. She seems to get the worst storylines and characterization of all of the characters...which is why I think she should be eliminated.

1) What? (referring to Pete)
2) The best way to fix a character is to give her better storylines not killing them off that's a lame cop out and she's not as unpopular as some say. This is not like Brenda from 90210 (now thats hatred):o

JAX

01-04-2006, 05:16 PM

You know he could simply be basing that statement on seeing those pictures of Jonathan and Clark (before we did)....Did he actually see the episode?

Doubt anyone has seen the episode. I'll believe it when I see it. His statement and the girl from E! (10 10 He Wont Do It Again), till this day prove nothing.

Kane

01-04-2006, 05:16 PM

AgentPat

01-04-2006, 05:16 PM

You know he could simply be basing that statement on seeing those pictures of Jonathan and Clark (before we did)....Did he actually see the episode?I doubt it. I doubt anybody really knows other than those who actually shot the relevant scenes. They'd be stupid to let that kind of info leak out, y'know?

Kane

01-04-2006, 05:17 PM

Doubt anyone has seen the episode. I'll believe it when I see it. His statement and the girl from E! (10 10 He Wont Do It Again), till this day prove nothing.

Ah ok.

KalKai

01-04-2006, 05:18 PM

Jorel being depicted in that manner sucks, as being an obstacle for Clark as opposed to someone who shows them the way.

And Jor-el said he would extract the life from someone that Clark loves...

For the record, if Pa Kent dies from natural causes, I would not have a problem with that....I just dont want Jor-el and Clark responsible for killing him, that'd be stupid.

Jor-El never said "I'm going to extract the life force from someone you love".

Jor-El is the 1 that knows, all he's doing is telling Clark, doesn't mean he's responsible for it.

avidreader

01-04-2006, 05:19 PM

I'm just hoping that the future of Smallville takes a closer turn to that of the already established and familiar Superman mythos as opposed to being too different. Some similar stuff like the Lex/Pete pres candidacy and other elements I mentioned arent bad.

I just dont want to see the characters of Smallville taken too far out of context to the way they portray them, just for the sake of making every detail within the comics match it.

As long as Clark becomes Superman and Lex becomes the evil villain then they can take the others pretty much anywhere they want.

The Pete actor may be gone from the show, but 'Pete Ross' can still be mentioned onscreen. As for Chloe and Pete hooking up, after watching alot of eps from the earlier seasons for the first time... I think it would be a nice way to go, since it was hinted.

Well we've seen his name on Clark's emails, and he was mentioned in Mortal. There were some suggestions of a Chloe/Pete romance, but the show didnt have the time to explore it, as stated by James Marshall in the Truth commentary.

Although I think Chloe's a gonner by the end of the series, either by way of death or the looney bin.

Lana going evil and becoming Lex's b^tch is still another bad direction for the character. She seems to get the worst storylines and characterization of all of the characters...which is why I think she should be eliminated.

I couldnt agree more. It is so not the Lana Lang of Smallville. But I dont know why you think they will take her in that direction anyway.

If G+M do pay attention to the net fanbase like someone suggested, theyll know the Chloe fans are huge in numbers, definately way more than Lana.....despite the fact I hate Chloe. Im just trying to look at what is best for the story and show without showing a particular bias to certain characters I may like and hate. I definately hate Chloe more than Lana.....but Lana is the better person to die for the sake of the story.

I think there are probably as many Kristen Kreuk fans out there as there are Allison Mack.

JAX

01-04-2006, 05:20 PM

1) What? (referring to Pete)
2) The best way to fix a character is to give her better storylines not killing them off that's a lame cop out and she's not as unpopular as some say. This is not like Brenda from 90210 (now thats hatred):o

Also remember that "killing" a character, doesnt neccessarly mean they're dead...or that they wont come back. But then again the show will lose credability if they do that.

AgentPat

01-04-2006, 05:20 PM

This thread is about 60 posts short of overtaking the Talon thread. Wow! :eek:

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 05:22 PM

Shes pretty much the Smallville equivalent to Brenda.

Besides, if you watch the season 4 interviews, they DID try to fix the Lana character. That witch storyline was their attempt to give her a better and more relevant storyline to Clark....and look how that backfired. They should just cut their losses and move on.

Not really because the hate isn't that great outside the internet. Brenda was like some household/pop culture hate (aka outside of a couple of message boards)

And I mean listen to yourself, the WB is gonna allow them to cut one of there stars because the writers can't give the character good storylines? (which haven't even resulted in bad ratings, just a couple of message boards of distrungled fans)

Kane

01-04-2006, 05:24 PM

I doubt it. I doubt anybody really knows other than those who actually shot the relevant scenes. They'd be stupid to let that kind of info leak out, y'know?

Exactly. G+M arent total idiots (at least I hope not). When those pics of Clark and John surfaced, there didnt seem to be much of an attempt to have them removed.

When certain pics from the new Superman movie surfaced (that were meant to be on a particular magazine)... they werent allowed to be posted on SHH due to some legal reasons (obviously they were contacted by the powers at be).

Whats even stranger is even though theres no attempt to have them removed, new pics are surfacing on a daily basis.

And even stranger is the fact that this death was supposed to be some tight secret. Fake spoilers were even released. Why would they intentionally take what look like the regular official episode photos depicting the major death?....Giving away the huge element of the episode in the pictures..

I'm thinking its very likely these pictures are a red herring. It depicts something that happens from the episode....but it may not be the DEATH weve been looking for.

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 05:24 PM

Also remember that "killing" a character, doesnt neccessarly mean they're dead...or that they wont come back. But then again the show will lose credability if they do that.

Exactly

JAX

01-04-2006, 05:26 PM

I'm thinking its very likely these pictures are a red herring. It depicts something that happens from the episode....but it may not be the DEATH weve been looking for.

I hope you're right. :up:

KalKai

01-04-2006, 05:28 PM

I doubt it. I doubt anybody really knows other than those who actually shot the relevant scenes. They'd be stupid to let that kind of info leak out, y'know?

Oh come on, we had SAM saying Jonathan is the 1 to die like a month ago, we got hints from Kristin all pointing to Jonathan, then the pictures, and now Ausiello, isn't that enough? lol.

Kane

01-04-2006, 05:30 PM

Not really because the hate isn't that great outside the internet. Brenda was like some household/pop culture hate (aka outside of a couple of message boards)

And I mean listen to yourself, the WB is gonna allow them to cut one of there stars because the writers can't give the character good storylines? (which haven't even resulted in bad ratings, just a couple of message boards of distrungled fans)

Its debatable whos decision it really is...whether its G+M or the WB itself....though its really a moot point to say they should keep Lana because shes part of the 'big three'. Characters outside the 'big 3' such as Chloe, Lois and Lionel have generated more popularity than Lana also....which proves 'the big 3' isnt even relevant anymore.

Its logical that a character who they cant write good storylines for is one that should be removed....its better than more failed attempts and trying to change the nature and essense of the character drastically (like last season). Even the vampire Lana stuff this year was television poison.

avidreader

01-04-2006, 05:30 PM

JAX

01-04-2006, 05:30 PM

...isn't that enough? lol.

Lol...to the general public, yes. To Smallville die-hard fans....no.

BaK

01-04-2006, 05:31 PM

Oh, and BaK, the plasma TV is a bet with my husband. He thinks it'll be Chloe. I've been saying Jonathan. Whoever "wins" gets to chose where the TV goes - basically his "play room" or mine. LOL umm.. have you gyus ever considered adoption? :D

(if too many applicants show up, I'll be the 3yr old one with the yellow blanket :) )

Kane

01-04-2006, 05:36 PM

One of those Comic News pages, cant remember which one, has said today that those pictures are an official release from Warner Bros.

If thats true...then its more hope that John isnt the real death. Even in episodes that had less important twists, the official episode pictures never depicted the spoilers in such an obvious manner.

AgentPat

01-04-2006, 05:37 PM

Oh come on, we had SAM saying Jonathan is the 1 to die like a month ago, we got hints from Kristin all pointing to Jonathan, then the pictures, and now Ausiello, isn't that enough? lol.Well, then somebody else is gonna get dumped too. I'd really be surprised if Jonathan was the only one - assuming he IS the one. All of this will have been for nothing 'cause they basically TOLD us when those official pics hit the Net. WTF? Why would they do that? It just doesn't make sense. The whole idea is to keep it a secret till the show airs. Y'know, ratings - who shot JR - and all that jazz? LOL

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 05:38 PM

Its debatable whos decision it really is...whether its G+M or the WB itself....though its really a moot point to say they should keep Lana because shes part of the 'big three'. Characters outside the 'big 3' such as Chloe, Lois and Lionel have generated more popularity than Lana also....which proves 'the big 3' isnt even relevant anymore.

Its logical that a character who they cant write good storylines for is one that should be removed....its better than more failed attempts and trying to change the nature and essense of the character drastically (like last season). Even the vampire Lana stuff this year was television poison.

Just because the secondary characters are just as popular as the big 3 how does that deem the big 3 irrelevant?
And no it's not logical that if they can't write good storylines for a MAIN CHARACTER that they should just off her. Just take it back to the first couple of seasons. Hell they kinda have this season, which helps it's rejuvination and why she's not as criticised this year compared to season 3 and 4. Just have Clark tell her truth, she gets his destiny and have her be a companion to her. it's all good, no need to complicate with vampire and witches. And no need to jump the shark and kill off one of the stars of the show. I mean does Gough, Millar and Kristin want that?....I don't think so

Brainiac 8

01-04-2006, 05:42 PM

This thread is about 60 posts short of overtaking the Talon thread. Wow! :eek:

I know, scary isn't it?;)

I just dont want to see the characters of Smallville taken too far out of context to the way they portray them, just for the sake of making every detail within the comics match it.

As long as Clark becomes Superman and Lex becomes the evil villain then they can take the others pretty much anywhere they want.

I agree whole heartedly with this, Avid. Crisis, I think you and many others make way too much of this "Gotta stick to the comics" thing. We know that the outcome will be Clark as Superman and Lex as a criminal genius. How we get there is up for grabs.

Think of it this way. There have been many interpretations of Superman, and in all of those some agree with others and some don't. I personally think Byrne was a hack and messed up alot of what Superman is, but I know many who feel he wrote Supes the best. Miles and Gough have their own vision of what they think Superman growing up would have been like. That doesn't make it wrong, and doesn't mean everyone will like it. I personally have really enjoyed how they have portrayed it, and they are only getting better.

Sometimes we just have to sit back, crack open a Corona (mMmM...:O ), and enjoy their interpretation of the mythos. You may not like all of it, but there's alot of cool for you to enjoy!:up: :D

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 05:45 PM

I
Think of it this way. There have been many interpretations of Superman, and in all of those some agree with others and some don't. I personally think Byrne was a hack and messed up alot of what Superman is, but I know many who feel he wrote Supes the best. Miles and Gough have their own vision of what they think Superman growing up would have been like. That doesn't make it wrong, and doesn't mean everyone will like it. I personally have really enjoyed how they have portrayed it, and they are only getting better.

What I've been trying to say and with that said, Gough and Miles (why do I always call him Millar by accident lol) can determine and change around the characters how they want. No one can be written off, **** that fanboy-shipper-bias-ice-cream-crap

Mike_D

01-04-2006, 05:46 PM

HAHA, this is one long thread.

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 05:47 PM

HAHA, this is one long thread.

You knew it was gonna happen though

Brainiac 8

01-04-2006, 05:47 PM

What I've been trying to say and with that said, Gough and Miles (why do I always call him Millar by accident lol) can determine and change around the characters how they want. No one can be written off, **** that fanboy-shipper-bias-ice-cream-crap

I agree with you, I'm still wondering why anyone has to die yet.:confused:
All in the name of shocks and thrills I suppose.:o

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 05:48 PM

I agree with you, I'm still wondering why anyone has to die yet.:confused:
All in the name of shocks and thrills I suppose.:o

and get chlark fans all excited. Look how forceful they are with the "Lana/Chloe gotta die" crap

they need to go back and play with there dolls

AgentPat

01-04-2006, 05:49 PM

What I've been trying to say and with that said, Gough and Miles (why do I always call him Millar by accident lol)'Cause that's their names, maybe? Alfred Gough & Miles Millar. ;)

Kane

01-04-2006, 05:49 PM

Just because the secondary characters are just as popular as the big 3 how does that deem the big 3 irrelevant?
And no it's not logical that if they can't write good storylines for a MAIN CHARACTER that they should just off her. Just take it back to the first couple of seasons. Hell they kinda have this season, which helps it's rejuvination and why she's not as criticised this year compared to season 3 and 4. Just have Clark tell her truth, she gets his destiny and have her be a companion to her. it's all good, no need to complicate with vampire and witches. And no need to jump the shark and kill off one of the stars of the show. I mean does Gough, Millar and Kristin want that?....I don't think so

Maybe because shes barely appeared in season 5? KKs been filming her movie. Though the vampire Lana ep got its share of criticising.

The Caped Knight

01-04-2006, 05:50 PM

I'm amussing then by this you don't want a death episode to shape Clark's characterstics and destiny

NO!!!

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 05:50 PM

'Cause that's their names, maybe? Alfred Gough & Miles Millar. ;)

It's not that, it's just I keep confusing him with some comic book writer with a similar name, what his name... that Millar guy:o

The Caped Knight

01-04-2006, 05:50 PM

I'm amussing then by this you don't want a death episode to shape Clark's characterstics and destiny

No I don't want Clark to become SUPERMAN out of TRAGEDY & GUILT . In every version Of Superman (exsept for Pre. Crisis comics, SUPERMAN : The movie), Clark Kent made the choice to become SUPERMAN. Because of the GOOD UPBRINGING by Jonathan & Martha Kent . But it was Clark's CHOICE .(no one force him too, No death had to drive the message home. It was HIS CHOICE .

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 05:53 PM

No I don't want Clark to become SUPERMAN out of TRAGEDY & GUILT . In every version Of Superman (exsept for Pre. Crisis comics, SUPERMAN : The movie), Clark Kent made the choice to become SUPERMAN. Because of the GOOD UPBRINGING by Jonathan & Martha Kent . But it was Clark's CHOICE .(no one force him too, No death had drive the message home. It was HIS CHOICE .

Translation:
Tonight on Stars in my Eyes Vern,

I'm gonna be a whiny fanboy who doesnt realise my idol and the company that makes him has reinvented him and others more times Madonna and the cars on Pimp my Ride.:o :)

just playing with you

AgentPat

01-04-2006, 05:53 PM

and get chlark fans all excited. Look how forceful they are with the "Lana/Chloe gotta die" crap

they need to go back and play with there dolls
http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/tongue.gif

Brainiac 8

01-04-2006, 05:54 PM

It's not that, it's just I keep confusing him with some comic book writer with a similar name, what his name... that Millar guy:o

Mark Miller:up:

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 05:54 PM

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/tongue.gif

Dont make me bring out the Cam "You Mad" pic lol!

AgentPat

01-04-2006, 05:55 PM

It's not that, it's just I keep confusing him with some comic book writer with a similar name, what his name... that Millar guy:oMark Millar (http://www.millarworld.tv/). :)

Kane

01-04-2006, 05:55 PM

No I don't want Clark to become SUPERMAN out of TRAGEDY & GUILT . In every version Of Superman (exsept for Pre. Crisis comics, SUPERMAN : The movie), Clark Kent made the choice to become SUPERMAN. Because of the GOOD UPBRINGING by Jonathan & Martha Kent . But it was Clark's CHOICE .(no one force him too, No death had to drive the message home. It was HIS CHOICE .

No man... Even in the precrisis and the movie, Clark didnt feel guilt over Pa Kent's death and thus didnt become Superman out of guilt. Pa Kent died naturally..

Clark in the movie said with all his powers and abilities, there was nothing he could have done to stop this.... It wasnt Clarks fault at all.

Jorel on Smallville killing John because of Clarks actions is another story.

Brainiac 8

01-04-2006, 05:56 PM

Mark Millar (http://www.millarworld.tv/). :)

copier.:mad: ;)

Kane

01-04-2006, 05:57 PM

Mark Millar (http://www.millarworld.tv/). :)

Hes actually good.

avidreader

01-04-2006, 05:57 PM

No I don't want Clark to become SUPERMAN out of TRAGEDY & GUILT . In every version Of Superman (exsept for Pre. Crisis comics, SUPERMAN : The movie), Clark Kent made the choice to become SUPERMAN. Because of the GOOD UPBRINGING by Jonathan & Martha Kent . But it was Clark's CHOICE .(no one force him too, No death had to drive the message home. It was HIS CHOICE .

Unlike the movies, Jonathan's dying now and Clark's not leaving Smallville yet to become Superman. There's still alot of time to go. So his death isnt going to be the catalyst for him leaving Smallville.

It is his upbringing by Martha and Jonathan that have instilled the good values in him to have him make the right choices that will eventually lead to him becoming Superman.

I think that Jonathan's death is going to help him accept his heritage. Dont know how, but I think it will.

Super_Ludacris

01-04-2006, 05:59 PM

No man... Even in the precrisis and the movie, Clark didnt feel guilt over Pa Kent's death and thus didnt become Superman out of guilt. Pa Kent died naturally..

Clark in the movie said with all his powers and abilities, there was nothing he could have done to stop this.... It wasnt Clarks fault at all.
Jorel on Smallville killing John because of Clarks actions is another story.

Makes Clark sound like a robot or something

AgentPat

01-04-2006, 06:05 PM

copier.:mad: ;)

Pat slides a beer down the bar to Brainiac. ;)

Brainiac 8

01-04-2006, 06:10 PM

Pat slides a beer down the bar to Brainiac. ;)

Ok, your forgiven. (Wow, I'm a sucker for pretty women and beer.:D )

jas01724

01-04-2006, 06:11 PM

One of those Comic News pages, cant remember which one, has said today that those pictures are an official release from Warner Bros.I don't know where they're getting that from. They were supposed to be an official release, but they weren't intended for release until AFTER the episode had aired. WB wouldn't purposely release something like that on New Year's Eve ...

Having said that, and knowing WB fairly well, if the images aren't deemed too bad they may choose to just release them earlier than intended and be done with it. But that hasn't happened yet.

avidreader

01-04-2006, 06:17 PM

I don't know where they're getting that from. They were supposed to be an official release, but they weren't intended for release until AFTER the episode had aired. WB wouldn't purposely release something like that on New Year's Eve ...

I'm almost peeved, if that "releasor of the Jonathan's images" posted them when she shouldnt have. I know it goes back to what you were saying the other day. But she's really spoilt it not just for us fans, but for the WB and Smallville.

Still, I guess the internet fanbase isnt as big as the entire viewing audience. So there may not be too much damage done.

Having said that, and knowing WB fairly well, if the images aren't deemed too bad they may choose to just release them earlier than intended and be done with it. But that hasn't happened yet.

Has it or hasnt it?

jas01724

01-04-2006, 06:28 PM

Has it or hasnt it?Huh? WB hasn't released them yet, if that's what you meant.

I've seen this mentioned on a few comic sites, but they're all just repeating what Jana said when she posted them.

avidreader

01-04-2006, 07:32 PM

Huh? WB hasn't released them yet, if that's what you meant. ;)

I've seen this mentioned on a few comic sites, but they're all just repeating what Jana said when she posted them.

Oh, okay.

GinaRenee

01-04-2006, 08:43 PM

What I keep wondering is this: If there was even the slightest risk that any still photos could leak out and give away the surprise for this episode, why take photos at all? They didn't for "Solitude." To this day you can't find a publicity still from that episode on the Web, and that one didn't have half the suprises that "Reckoning" is supposed to.

So I'm led to think that these pictures are from "Reckoning," and they were supposed to be released, but there's more to them than meets the eye.

AgentPat

01-04-2006, 08:53 PM

Huh? WB hasn't released them yet, if that's what you meant.

I've seen this mentioned on a few comic sites, but they're all just repeating what Jana said when she posted them.Wait, so it was Jana that initially posted those pics? And The WB hasn't officially released 'em yet?

Not to put too fine a point on it, but did she just burn one helluva serious bridge? What a numbskull LOL. :p

So I guess that's that then, eh? Seems pretty obvious now, considering. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ohwell.gif

Oh, and Brainiac... http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/kiss.gif

avidreader

01-04-2006, 09:21 PM

Wait, so it was Jana that initially posted those pics? And The WB hasn't officially released 'em yet?

Not to put too fine a point on it, but did she just burn one helluva serious bridge? What a numbskull LOL. :p

So I guess that's that then, eh? Seems pretty obvious now, considering. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ohwell.gif

Oh, and Brainiac... http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/kiss.gif

You know after a couple of days of thinking about it, I'm really annoyed at her for posting them when she shouldnt have. I know as a fan its my problem or business if I want to view them or not, but for the good of the show and its creators I think it was a bad call.

Kane

01-04-2006, 09:24 PM

Brainiac 8

01-04-2006, 09:24 PM

You know after a couple of days of thinking about it, I'm really annoyed at her for posting them when she shouldnt have. I know as a fan its my problem or business if I want to view them or not, but for the good of the show and its creators I think it was a bad call.

Very bad call, in my opinion. It really was a disservice to the producers, and I hope she gets a mighty tongue lashing.:mad:

I look at spoilers anyway, but there are alot of people out there who hate them. It is just rude to ruin something of this import in a show.

Oh and Pat :O your making me blush.;)

jas01724

01-04-2006, 09:30 PM

If there was even the slightest risk that any still photos could leak out and give away the surprise for this episode, why take photos at all? They didn't for "Solitude."Ooooh yes they did, they were just lucky that none got out. Every episode has a photographer on set, shooting pretty much every take of every scene. There are usually (at a low guesstimate) 10,000 images taken of each episode! And we often only see the dozen or so that are deemed suitable for release.

Wait, so it was Jana that initially posted those pics?She runs DTKK, and she posted them both there and on Sweet. They HAVE NOT been officially (and that's the important word here) released anywhere.

GinaRenee

01-04-2006, 09:32 PM

What were those pics intended to be anyways? Are they the normal episode pics that tend to be posted on K-site prior to the airing of the episode?

If so...what was the logic in taking those pics to begin with....pictures depicting the 'death' when the powers at be claim to have gone to such great lengths to keep it a secret.

Something just doesnt add up.

Exactly. They didn't have to take them at all.

Maybe some of you are buddies with the WB suits and know how these things work. I'll be the first to admit I don't know much at all. But taking ANY sort of risk that the pictures would leak out, allowing ANYONE access to them, seems insane. That's just my humble opinion.

Serene

01-04-2006, 09:34 PM

Not that I'm here to defend anyone.. but I guess I don't have a problem with the pictures being posted. I can't deny that I'm glad to see them, ya know?

Of course, when someone chooses to post something that's supposed to be off-limits, they do so at their own risk.

If I had found those pics, I don't think I would have posted them unless I knew for sure they were okay to post (i.e. officially released). Barring that, I'd just share them with a few close friends. ;)

Spoilers from casting sheets aren't supposed to be for public viewing either.. but we all read those. :)

AgentPat

01-04-2006, 09:37 PM

Ooooh yes they did, they were just lucky that none got out. Every episode has a photographer on set, shooting pretty much every take of every scene. There are usually (at a low guesstimate) 10,000 images taken of each episode! And we often only see the dozen or so that are deemed suitable for release.Holy TOLEDO!! Talk about learning something new every day. Day-um!!! I had NO idea they took that many pics. Wow!!!

She runs DTKK, and she posted them both there and on Sweet.And yet another thing I di'int know. I've never been to DTKK, and the URL I had for Sweet went south a while back. I haven't had the motivation to "find" the new domain name, or wherever they moved it to.

They HAVE NOT been officially (and that's the important word here) released anywhere.Very interesting. Any idea where their collective heads are at now that the pics ARE out there and the "damage" is done?

AgentPat

01-04-2006, 09:41 PM

Not that I'm here to defend anyone.. but I guess I don't have a problem with the pictures being posted. I can't deny that I'm glad to see them, ya know?Oh, for what it's worth, I'm glad I saw 'em too. I have NO problem with ANY show spoilers. You got 'em? I wanna see 'em! LOL I keep my yap shut of course if they're not supposed to be made public.

Serene

01-04-2006, 09:43 PM

Holy TOLEDO!! Talk about learning something new every day. Day-um!!! I had NO idea they took that many pics. Wow!!!

That is interesting. Damn.. I want that photographer's name and email address. :)

Very interesting. Any idea where their collective heads are at now that the pics ARE out there and the "damage" is done?

I have to think that if those pictures really weren't supposed to be released then heads have GOT to be rolling at the point of leakage. If true (and again, who knows?).. then that's got to be the BIGGEST spoiler of the season that was just prematurely let out of the bag.

avidreader

01-04-2006, 09:57 PM

We're still only talking about a minority of fans that have seen them though, so I guess the damage isnt too bad. And not all internet fans read spoilers either.

And I was ecstatic to see them, I just feel bad for the show when they were trying their darndest to keep it all under wraps.

jas01724

01-04-2006, 10:01 PM

Not that I'm here to defend anyone.. but I guess I don't have a problem with the pictures being posted.The only reason I care is that if they get one notable leak, they may crack down on points of access and make it more difficult to get ANYTHING.

Holy TOLEDO!! Talk about learning something new every day. Day-um!!! I had NO idea they took that many pics. Wow!!!Think about it: 8 to 10 day shoot, photographer snapping away. Remember how many hundreds or thousands of images you get on the likes of WireImage from a one-hour movie premiere, and then multiply ...

Any idea where their collective heads are at now that the pics ARE out there and the "damage" is done?I know they know, I just don't know if they've decided what to do about it yet. "Not happy" works for the time being ...

avidreader

01-04-2006, 10:04 PM

^^^^^ That makes me feel sad. :(

But I guess they should keep a tighter grip on things.

Serene

01-04-2006, 10:07 PM

The only reason I care is that if they get one notable leak, they may crack down on points of access and make it more difficult to get ANYTHING.

That's a very good point. It makes sense that if these truly did slip through a hole, that hole will be firmly and permanently patched..

I'm very metaphorical today..

Earthsea

01-04-2006, 10:16 PM

I am personally glad these leaked. Wether or not this is the actual death or not I am one of the few who does NOT want Jonathan to die "right now" He should be the LAST of the ones closest to Clark that dies & he deserves to see Clark wear the Suit at least once & then die that Episode. So if it IS Jonathan fans can get ready now & be pissed now & just get over it now instead of being pissed when they first see it happen

avidreader

01-04-2006, 10:21 PM

^^^^ Its like when your pregnant and you find out during the ultrasound whether you're having a boy or girl, just so you can prepare yourself for it.

Sverdlovski

01-04-2006, 10:53 PM

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/suetomup/twjsreckoning038lo.jpg

I'm glad it's Jonathan. It was either he and Chloe, but I like her (she's a woman, and beautiful, I don't need more reasons than those:D ), so I'm relieved.

BTW, in this pic, doesn't Tom Welling look like a vampire who just made another victim? Well, it does to me. :) Maybe it's because I re-watched Interview with the Vampire yesterday :D

PS: Brad Pitt is such a wuss in that flick. :p

Earthsea

01-04-2006, 10:59 PM

I'm glad it's Jonathan. It was either he and Chloe, but I like her (she's a woman, and beautiful, I don't need more reasons than those:D ), so I'm relieved.

BTW, in this pic, doesn't Tom Welling look like a vampire who just made another victim? Well, it does to me. :) Maybe it's because I re-watched Interview with the Vampire yesterday :D

PS: Brad Pitt is such a wuss in that flick. :p

& that shadow in the Picture is Lana telling him how to bite since she herself was a vampire :eek:

I can picture Lana yelling

BITE ***** BITE

Kane

01-04-2006, 11:08 PM

Thunder Emperor

01-04-2006, 11:52 PM

Pa kent must live, i hate all this pa kent pre-crisi death thing.

KalKai

01-05-2006, 01:05 AM

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8696/tvgbtssv20064om.jpg

:D lol.

Kane

01-05-2006, 02:46 AM

Urgh..

Zing79

01-05-2006, 04:09 AM

This whole “officially released pictures debate” needs to end. By virtue of being out there on that website for this long, those pictures are “official” WB photos. End. Of. Story.

Just because Jas and K-site didn’t get a press release with the attached photos does not mean they’re “super secret never should have seen the light of day” leaked images. I work in the media with companies like Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony. You post anything you’re not supposed to and you can expect an email or contact from that company with 48 hrs (regardless of the time of year). They pay TEAMS of PR agents to work 24/7-365 protecting their image and product.

Since those pictures are still up you can bet WB knows about them and doesn’t care/isn’t concerned about what they’ll do to the secret. The ONLY way what I’m saying is wrong is if magically they somehow get taken down, and if that happens an entire PR firm is going to pay for that screw up (because they've been up WAY to long).

Just look at how fast they erase leaked images and info off this board for SR. There are many people who's job it is to do just that for Smallville.

Mike_D

01-05-2006, 04:45 AM

http://cmgponline.com/go/dmgproductions/peanutbutter.jpg

BaK

01-05-2006, 05:37 AM

http://cmgponline.com/go/dmgproductions/peanutbutter.jpg
And I concur..

That's always handy though when you work in the white house and don't really know the most appropriate ''damage control'' campaign startup approach when brand new ''leaking'' affair unfolds..

AgentPat

01-05-2006, 08:45 AM

Think about it: 8 to 10 day shoot, photographer snapping away. Remember how many hundreds or thousands of images you get on the likes of WireImage from a one-hour movie premiere, and then multiply ...Well, it wasn't the amount that surprised me as much as it was having a photographer there for every take of every scene. That's serious bucks, and something I didn't think they'd have in their budget to blow if most of the pictures aren't going to be seen anyway. They could always make promo stills right off the film stock if they wanted to. I just figured they brought in a photographer for key scenes where they wanted alternate angles for promotion use before or after the fact. For example, the Spell barn scenes, Aqua's buff bods at the lake and shots of Marsters at CKA&M, "stripper" Lois in Exposed, etc. That kind of thing. And certainly, scenes involving Lana, Clark, and Jonathan at the FOS in Reckoning would be right up there with scenes they'd want extra shots of for promotion.

I'm with Serene - I want that photographer's addy. LOL What a job, eh?

I know they know, I just don't know if they've decided what to do about it yet. "Not happy" works for the time being ...Makes sense.

Its like when your pregnant and you find out during the ultrasound whether you're having a boy or girl, just so you can prepare yourself for it.[Pat thanks her lucky stars she's never had to relate to this metaphor.] LOL

BTW, in this pic, doesn't Tom Welling look like a vampire who just made another victim?Hah! Yeah, he does!

Curses, Sverd! Now I'm always gonna "see" that when I look at that picture. :mad: ;)

This whole “officially released pictures debate” needs to end. By virtue of being out there on that website for this long, those pictures are “official” WB photos. End. Of. Story.LOL@Zing. We weren't debating it, Zing. Folks were just making statements. Yes, they ARE "official" WB photos. They just weren't meant for release yet. That's all folks have been saying. This is unlike the "Something About Mary" pics (sorry, iz just my pet name for those abominations :p ) that definitely were NOT meant to see the light of day. Ever. They were beyond laughable and quite an embarrassment to all parties concerned, which is why Warners reacted as swiftly as they did.

Just because Jas and K-site didn’t get a press release with the attached photos does not mean they’re “super secret never should have seen the light of day” leaked images.But James - and I'd presume K-Site - DID receive the pics, as did Jana. Jana jumped the gun and posted them. James posted his versions - cleaner and larger, I might add - *after* Jana let the cat out of the bag. I'd venture a guess that Craig is probably still sitting on his, waiting for The WB to give the official okay.

I work in the media with companies like Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony. You post anything you’re not supposed to and you can expect an email or contact from that company with 48 hrs (regardless of the time of year). They pay TEAMS of PR agents to work 24/7-365 protecting their image and product.Yes, I agree. But we don't really know exactly how The WB reacted to the pics being posted. They're not bad images per se. The only reason they wouldn't want them displayed before the ep airs is because it gives away a plot point. Other than that, they're doing what they're supposed to do: promote the show, albeit by giving away a critical spoiler in an unaired episode. The WB might have just figured, well, what's done is done. Let it ride.

Just look at how fast they erase leaked images and info off this board for SR.Well, when said leaked images makes your star look like a bloated pear with something sticky and unmentionable in his hair, wearing a sewed on suit and a shower curtain for a cape... well... I'd be pretty dern quick to yank those "promos" too. :p

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 08:57 AM

The fact that the Pictures are still online & not forced to take down makes me think the Scene we see in the pictures = decoy Scene for the actual Scene. We all know how WB can be with this stuff I do not buy it one bit that they are not doing anything about these pictures its a big ass Spoiler. I find it simply "coincidence" these leaked. WB probably shot multible Scenes between the People who die & the actual scenes are like locked away in a vault & WB shot a replacement Scene with Jonathan just in case pictures leaked. The fact that WB is doing pretty much nothing to take these pictures down like they normally would is a sign

GinaRenee

01-05-2006, 08:58 AM

The WB might have just figured, well, what's done is done. Let it ride.

Like FX did? When ONE picture that gave away their big surprise of the season made it onto the Web, they yanked it so fast that heads were spinning.

ETA: I meant to say, "Like FX did with 'Nip/Tuck'?" Sorry. I'm short on sleep and undercaffeinated.

AgentPat

01-05-2006, 09:59 AM

Like FX did? When ONE picture that gave away their big surprise of the season made it onto the Web, they yanked it so fast that heads were spinning.

ETA: I meant to say, "Like FX did with 'Nip/Tuck'?" Sorry. I'm short on sleep and undercaffeinated.Pfft, who knows? They're not FX. I have no idea how The WB reacted given the circumstances. Are they grumbling in their collective chairs because everybody was whopping it up at New Year's parties to notice that half a dozen images showed up on the Net and had a good 48 hours to propagate to the point of ubiquity, or are they high-fiving each other with smug smiles and "OMG: It worked!" astonishment?

The Truth is Out There

We'll all know soon enough, gang. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif

NHawk19

01-05-2006, 10:10 AM

meh I think Zing's point cant be taken lightly. If they did that much damage WB would have yanked them. Again we still dont know much.

musclesforsupes

01-05-2006, 10:28 AM

Tom should give everone cornflakes that would solve it all.

JAX

01-05-2006, 10:33 AM

Tom should give everone cornflakes that would solve it all.

I concur.

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 10:33 AM

meh I think Zing's point cant be taken lightly. If they did that much damage WB would have yanked them. Again we still dont know much.

Compare WB to how they react when say Superman Returns leaked Pictures gets online what have they always done ? They get them taken down asap. In this case they have not & if I was working on this Show & something like this got out & if it was not intentional Id be pissed. The fact that WB is doing nothing because the damage is done is crap just by comparing what they do to when leaked Superman Returns pictures gets online. Its obvious how the WB would react if this was NOT intentional. The WB went nuts also when Batman Begins stuff got online when they werent supposed to etc so WB doing flat out nothing with these photos say something

RakuMon

01-05-2006, 10:42 AM

Wow! This thread has surpassed "The Talon" thread which was started on November 9, 2004! And this episode won't air for almost another month!

Super_Ludacris

01-05-2006, 10:47 AM

So this seals it? he's dead now? come on hurry up and let's kill this daddy lol

AgentPat

01-05-2006, 10:51 AM

meh I think Zing's point cant be taken lightly. If they did that much damage WB would have yanked them. Again we still dont know much.Agreed, and that's the point. We just don't know.

Look at the situation with the two scripts that follow Reckoning. Both have Chloe in 'em, and she is arguably one of the two characters most likely to draw the short straw. If we make the assumption that the character sides from both scripts are indeed real, then Chloe was removed from the equation weeks ago. It was a gaff in the system - somebody didn't think about concealing subsequent sides in order to prevent the audience from prematurely figuring out who dies in the 100th ep. But if those sides were faked, everything that's happened so far could be part of a bigger plan.

But just how likely is that? :p

I'd rather take the occam's razor approach and go with the most likely scenario. I don't believe The WB is THAT creative or motivated enough to hatch such an elaborate plan of deception. EVERYTHING up to this point says Jonathan is toast, so that's what I'm going with.

...plus I want my plasma TV, goddamit! :D

Union Jack

01-05-2006, 10:53 AM

when is the next episode of smallville..its seems like forever since it was on..ive had to watch my dvds of it since..the first series is sooo different!

AgentPat

01-05-2006, 10:55 AM

when is the next episode of smallville..its seems like forever since it was on..ive had to watch my dvds of it since..the first series is sooo different!The next "new" episode airs next week, 1/12/06.

The Incredible Hulk

01-05-2006, 10:55 AM

Compare WB to how they react when say Superman Returns leaked Pictures gets online what have they always done ? They get them taken down asap. In this case they have not & if I was working on this Show & something like this got out & if it was not intentional Id be pissed. The fact that WB is doing nothing because the damage is done is crap just by comparing what they do to when leaked Superman Returns pictures gets online. Its obvious how the WB would react if this was NOT intentional. The WB went nuts also when Batman Begins stuff got online when they werent supposed to etc so WB doing flat out nothing with these photos say something

one thing to take into the account is the "damage control" aspect. Back when the Batman Begins script leaked onto the net WB flipped the hell out, but then the seemingly cooled off quickly after the response to it was fantastic. They stopped cracking down on people who had it. The pics of SR that have been pulled were the exact opposite. People were saying how bad some of them looked, the suit sucks, etc., it was killing buzz. Thus they couldnt pull them fast enough.

With the Smallville photos, the response has overall been pretty positive, so even if somehow their release was unintentional, which I dont really believe it was, they may just be going with it, since it's not hurting word of mouth for the episode. If the size of this thread is any indication, theyre bringing in positive returns for WB already.

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 11:00 AM

Agreed, and that's the point. We just don't know.

Look at the situation with the two scripts that follow Reckoning. Both have Chloe in 'em, and she is arguably one of the two characters most likely to draw the short straw. If we make the assumption that the character sides from both scripts are indeed real, then Chloe was removed from the equation weeks ago. It was a gaff in the system - somebody didn't think about concealing subsequent sides in order to prevent the audience from prematurely figuring out who dies in the 100th ep. But if those sides were faked, everything that's happened so far could be part of a bigger plan.

But just how likely is that? :p

I'd rather take the occam's razor approach and go with the most likely scenario. I don't believe The WB is THAT creative or motivated enough to hatch such an elaborate plan of deception. EVERYTHING up to this point says Jonathan is toast, so that's what I'm going with.

...plus I want my plasma TV, goddamit! :D

"cough, more then one death cough"

Chloe can still bite it along with Jonathan :p

For all we know Jonathan can actually die early on in the Episode because of Lex wanting him out of the race & Clark blames Jor El the entire Episode then last 15 Minutes Chloe drops dead & Jor El swears to Clark he had nothing to do with Jonathans death then Clark put 2 & 2 together with Lex

kamillon66

01-05-2006, 11:57 AM

I'm betting on Jonathan but I think the other will be Lana much to my dismay :(

JAX

01-05-2006, 12:12 PM

Again, I'm a big advocate of keeping Johnathan Schnieder on the show, however IF G&M decide to kill the character--I don't believe it would impact the show in a negative way. Smallville is and has been going in a new direction. Before you lash out hear what I have to say.
JS's role on SV has dropped dramastically. We've barley seen him the last 2 seasons. Clark is now out of high school and we probably wont see many storylines at home. Yes, Yes, I realize the show is called "Smallville", but that doesnt mean venturing out is out of the question. We also have to take into account the new characters introduced, and how these characters will impact on the show. Take the intro of Brainiac, Deciples, the intro of the Fortress, the turning of Lex and of coarse the likely intro of ZOD in the season finale. Clark, ZOD, and Lex can carry season 6 by themselves if needed. I think SV is only getting stronger regardless of what happens.

AgentPat

01-05-2006, 12:33 PM

one thing to take into the account is the "damage control" aspect. Back when the Batman Begins script leaked onto the net WB flipped the hell out, but then the seemingly cooled off quickly after the response to it was fantastic. They stopped cracking down on people who had it. The pics of SR that have been pulled were the exact opposite. People were saying how bad some of them looked, the suit sucks, etc., it was killing buzz. Thus they couldn't pull them fast enough.Exactly! That's what I was trying to point out, but it's not sinking in for some reason LOL. Those "banned" SR promo shots weren't MEANT to be posted on the Net. EVER!! One look at 'em and you can see that. They were probably some kind of test shots or something and as such, they were horrendous. If they had turned out like the BB script, and *everybody* went ga ga over 'em, then Warners probably wouldn't have cared, but that's not what happened.

With the Smallville photos, the response has overall been pretty positive,Bingo! Nobody is picking apart the sets, the wardrobe or the... uh... casting. LOL EVERYBODY is talking about the plot(s), the characters, and who's gonna die - and quite frankly, there's still doubt in some people's minds, despite the obvious. It's all good.

so even if somehow their release was unintentional, which I dont really believe it was, they may just be going with it, since it's not hurting word of mouth for the episode. If the size of this thread is any indication, they're bringing in positive returns for WB already.I fully believe those images were meant to be shown. It's just unclear *when* they intended that time to be.

"cough, more then one death cough"

Chloe can still bite it along with JonathanSure. Any number of other characters could be offed. Well, anybody 'cept Clark and Lex, I suppose. But Jonathan's definitely toast. JMHO.

musclesforsupes

01-05-2006, 01:53 PM

I still hope the truth about you know what movie and Thomas Eugene Welling is finally told.

triplet

01-05-2006, 02:02 PM

...Thomas Eugene Welling...

Okay, that middle name doesn't match what's listed on Tom's IMDB page... and I've seen you call him that before so why do you call him that?

Do you know something no one else does, muscles?

musclesforsupes

01-05-2006, 02:21 PM

*giggles*

triplet

01-05-2006, 02:26 PM

*giggles*

You're aggravating, you know that, don't you?

:mad:

NHawk19

01-05-2006, 02:34 PM

^^Why do you fall for it everytime

AgentPat

01-05-2006, 02:51 PM

LOL! Yeah Trip, really? :p

triplet

01-05-2006, 02:52 PM

^^Why do you fall for it everytime

Well, I'm gullible I guess, but I also want to know why he thinks Tom's middle name is "Eugene..."

I think maybe he's just making it up.

triplet

01-05-2006, 02:52 PM

LOL! Yeah Trip, really? :p

I dunno... I'm silly I guess.

:shrug:

musclesforsupes

01-05-2006, 02:53 PM

*sigh* if you guys new me in real life you would all love me :)

Abaddon

01-05-2006, 02:57 PM

But we dont,so we hate you.:)

triplet

01-05-2006, 02:57 PM

*sigh* if you guys new me in real life you would all love me :)

*snort*

That's kinda hard to believe, muscles...

musclesforsupes

01-05-2006, 03:05 PM

Talks with a friend next to him named Tom :)

triplet

01-05-2006, 03:09 PM

Talks with a friend next to him named Tom :)

You're still aggravating, no matter who your friends are.

:mad:

AgentPat

01-05-2006, 03:12 PM

Talks with a friend next to him named Tom :)[Goes home to a husband named Tom.]

Nah nah! Beetcha. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/tongue.gif

;)

Serene

01-05-2006, 03:41 PM

It's funny how worked all of us net-heads are about the pictures. But truly.. the overwhelming majority of viewers have NO CLUE that they even exist.

Case in point:
I was talking to a new-ish woman at work today during lunch about SV. I never knew she was a fan, but apparently my reputation had preceeded me to her. :) Anyway, she was telling me how her whole family never misses an episode. Btw.. my previously held opinion of her went up a few notches after this conversation. ;) Anyway.. I told her about the upcoming death in the 100th ep, this she had heard about from the commercials.. but I also told her there were spoiler pictures online that may or may not be accurate. She was amazed, and wanted to know all about them. She was so sad for Clark, if he loses his father.. but when I told her that there are pictures of a proposal.. she (I swear) almost got teary-eyed! LOL...

The point is.. she's Joan Q. Public SV Fan, with no clue about any pictures. And I would bet that she represents the vast majority.

We, on the other hand.. are just the cream of the crop. :D

AgentPat

01-05-2006, 03:57 PM

...she's Joan Q. Public SV Fan...I bump into SV fans when I least expect it, and they're usually pretty "rabid," though admittedly not to the extent we are - posting All. Freakin. Day. on a SV message board. :rolleyes: (I think I broke a personal record today LOL) Anyhoo, I think I scare people when SV or Superman comes up in conversation 'cause it's like opening a floodgate of non-stop information. When they start to look at me funny and take a few steps back, I know it's time to clam. That's when they're overloaded with geekness and become afraid. Very, very afraid. LOL :p

jas01724

01-05-2006, 04:38 PM

Well, it wasn't the amount that surprised me as much as it was having a photographer there for every take of every scene.Eh, WB has photographers on a standard payroll ... one day on set with a camera is no different to one day sat in an office doing the paperwork. The photog gets paid the same whether they're on set for one hour or ten ...

We weren't debating it, Zing. Folks were just making statements. Yes, they ARE "official" WB photos. They just weren't meant for release yet. That's all folks have been saying.Dear me, you'd think Zing would know me better than that. ;) I said yesterday that if WB has decided the images are not too bad, they might just let it slide; I've lost count of the number of times that they've done exactly that! It doesn't mean they were happy that the images got out, it just means that it wasn't worth the trouble it would take to fix ...

Some of the images from 'Aqua' and 'Exposed' were technically posted earlier than they should have been, but those episodes weren't (to my knowledge) a major concern. 'Reckoning' is a slightly different animal.

Gmanofsteel

01-05-2006, 04:49 PM

Okay, that middle name doesn't match what's listed on Tom's IMDB page... and I've seen you call him that before so why do you call him that?

Do you know something no one else does, muscles?
only what lives in his fantasy world.

Bruce_Wayne29

01-05-2006, 04:50 PM

What it would be really cool would be if Reckoning would be a 2h episode.
I haven't ruled out the fact that "Jor-El" could save Jonathan's life at the last minute. I always thought they would only kill him in a season finale but who knows. I'm betting on both Lionel and Jonathan.

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 04:54 PM

Talks with a friend next to him named Tom :)

< < < Talks to friends next to him named Allison & Michael :up:

Serene

01-05-2006, 05:08 PM

I haven't ruled out the fact that "Jor-El" could save Jonathan's life at the last minute.

I haven't either. :)

Kane

01-05-2006, 05:09 PM

Well, when said leaked images makes your star look like a bloated pear with something sticky and unmentionable in his hair, wearing a sewed on suit and a shower curtain for a cape... well... I'd be pretty dern quick to yank those "promos" too.

Alright statements like that are just encouraging Smallville/Welling bashing and fueling the fire.

Ive seen plenty of ugly pictures of Welling too, doesnt prove anything in the longrun.

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 05:27 PM

I haven't either. :)

Why else would Clark take Jonathan to the FOS ? Remember that one Picture of Clark screaming in the FOS with Jonathan in his hand ? Thats probably Clark crying out to Jor El begging him to bring his father back like the way it was done for him.

Serene

01-05-2006, 05:41 PM

Why else would Clark take Jonathan to the FOS ? Remember that one Picture of Clark screaming in the FOS with Jonathan in his hand ? Thats probably Clark crying out to Jor El begging him to bring his father back like the way it was done for him.
Well, I think it's obvious that Clark takes him there to plead with Jor-El to save him. But whether or not Jor-El does it, or even CAN do it.. is the question.

I just don't rule that out. Of course, there's very little I am ruling out in this ep.

KalKai

01-05-2006, 06:37 PM

OK guys..

http://www.johnschneider.tv/index.php

As I'm sure you've heard by now, my days on "Smallville" are numbered. Yes, Jonathan Kent is going to be called away. It's written as his heart giving up but I personally think that Jorel requested payment for the powers given to Jonathan to get Clark back. In any case... In episode 100... He passes. Don't be upset though. I believe this is essential to the maturing of Clark and that his need to "be" his father around the farm and in life is what actually gives him the perspective to become Superman. The episode is fantastic! Look for it in February or March.

mellyM

01-05-2006, 06:44 PM

Zorex

01-05-2006, 06:45 PM

is that for real??

Serene

01-05-2006, 06:46 PM

You beat me to it, KalKai. :)
I just saw that too. I have to say, I'm surprised that he would be so forthcoming about it this far in advance of the show being aired. You have to wonder if the pictures that were (or weren't) released were a factor.

Okay.. so I guess we're all definitely spoiled now. :(

Hey! Maybe he's in on a huge elaborate ruse too! (j/k) :D

darkzombiemutt

01-05-2006, 06:47 PM

dude, hulks gonna be pissed.

triplet

01-05-2006, 06:48 PM

Good, no more debating, its over...and his death is the only one that made sense as much as it kills me to see him go..he was my very first TV crush *sniff* So not fair!

He spoiled it on his web site!

WTF!

:mad:

I'm glad he's not upset, but puhleeze..... He killed the tension.

As much as I thought the images were the real deal and not faked, like I said I'm not sure they'd go to the expense, there was still some suspense, some doubt, left and now he took that away.

Oh, well... Now, I'm bummed about him but I'm glad that Chloe is probably going to pull through.

Zing79

01-05-2006, 06:50 PM

Well that settles one death...now onto the next one :)

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 06:51 PM

So that is one death solved

Zorex

01-05-2006, 06:51 PM

Tension gone, yes.

But....not entirely. It feels weird that he would go and reveal it right on his site. I do wonder if the pics had anything to do with that.

Oh well. That said...

Oh, well... Now, I'm bummed about him but I'm glad that Chloe is probably going to pull through.
I too am glad it's him and not Chloe :p

Zing79

01-05-2006, 06:53 PM

He spoiled it on his web site!
Oh, well... Now, I'm bummed about him but I'm glad that Chloe is probably going to pull through.
***** needs to die now! LOL
She better be that second magical death.

darkzombiemutt

01-05-2006, 06:54 PM

ok, so Jonathan looses his life because of Clark essentially. They may not directly say its one thing or another, but Jor El pretty much had Jonathan knocked off. Ouch. I really do hope they really downplay that like JS mentions. Though now techinally in death Jonathan will always be with Clark, since its his lifeforce he stole.

Serene

01-05-2006, 06:55 PM

dude, hulks gonna be pissed.

Nah. If JS is correct about how it's going to really go down on screen, (and he should know) he says that Jonathan does indeed die from heart failure and not because of Jor-El.. but JS's personal opinion is that it's a result of the lifeforce switch that Jor-El spoke of.

It's written as his heart giving up but I personally think that Jorel requested payment for the powers given to Jonathan to get Clark back.

darkzombiemutt

01-05-2006, 06:58 PM

ok, then the question is, is the other death that is mentioned, going to be the life force they hint at Clark taking? Because if its someone like Lionel Luthor, it has to be Jonathans life that was traded. Thats the only conclusion anyone could come to.

jas01724

01-05-2006, 06:58 PM

As much as I thought the images were the real deal and not faked, like I said I'm not sure they'd go to the expense, there was still some suspense, some doubt, left and now he took that away.I'm wondering about that. He probably won't have been on set or really in touch with any of the WB peeps since he shot his final scenes, so it's possible that he saw the pictures, assumed it was no longer a big secret, and thought what the hey ... "As I'm sure you've heard by now" makes it sound like he thinks people already know.

Those pictures could cause some trouble yet.

Serene

01-05-2006, 06:59 PM

Nah. If JS is correct about how it's going to really go down on screen, (and he should know) he says that Jonathan does indeed die from heart failure and not because of Jor-El.. but JS's personal opinion is that it's a result of the lifeforce switch that Jor-El spoke of.

It's written as his heart giving up but I personally think that Jorel requested payment for the powers given to Jonathan to get Clark back.
Holy ****! :eek:

I just realized.. if JS is correct, and Jonathan's life isn't the one exchanged for the lifeforce.. then WHO IS?? GAhh!!

Back at square one. :(

Yeah.. I quoted my own post. I think that's technically "posterbation."

mellyM

01-05-2006, 07:08 PM

Well, its gone now, so I guess someone at WB saw it

KalKai

01-05-2006, 07:09 PM

>Hey Ya'll

Will be back shortly...

John

LOL.

user123456789

01-05-2006, 07:12 PM

is that for real??

looks like it

Serene

01-05-2006, 07:12 PM

I'm wondering about that. He probably won't have been on set or really in touch with any of the WB peeps since he shot his final scenes, so it's possible that he saw the pictures, assumed it was no longer a big secret, and thought what the hey ... "As I'm sure you've heard by now" makes it sound like he thinks people already know.

Those pictures could cause some trouble yet.

http://www.johnschneider.tv/index.php
It seems odd that he would ask for his fans to write the WB to get him his own show. I mean, it makes me think that he already knows that the WB isn't going to be upset with him for posting this HUGE spoiler. Argh. Now I'm suspicious again. :confused:

Edit: ROFL!!! I can't believe it just went *poof!*

Zing79

01-05-2006, 07:14 PM

You see? That is how quickly a PR agency works when they care! LOL

JAX

01-05-2006, 07:26 PM

You see? That is how quickly a PR agency works when they care! LOL

Interesting on how quick they work :) Also, who guaranteed a 2nd death?

JAX

01-05-2006, 07:27 PM

NEW UPDATE

Hi there!

I appreciate everyone's concern about the "Smallville" rumors but need to strongly reprimand whoever posted todays newsletter regarding the future of my character. In fact, I have read several scripts with Jonathan Kent in them and have no evidence of his demise.

Also... Please don't email anyone at The WB about this as they are busy preparing a fantastic second part of the season for us all.

Again... Rumors are just that and shouldn't be taken too seriously. And please don't write to Mr. Janollari. He is a big fan of not only the show but of mine as well. A great guy!

Happy New Year!

John

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 07:36 PM

The plot thickens :p

Wait where was that typed anyway ?

KalKai

01-05-2006, 07:36 PM

wtf? this is non-sense, what do we have to believe now? lol, it's also a lot of fun though.

Zorex

01-05-2006, 07:40 PM

omg, haha. trying to throw everyone off.

JAX

01-05-2006, 07:40 PM

wtf? this is non-sense, what do we have to believe now? lol, it's also a lot of fun though.

I believe that this show will be the end of me. I also believe I need an avatar pretty damn soon. Seriously though, he probably got chewed out for posting it and WB made him take it down. Damn you pencil pushers. Or, someone that works for him posted it.

Kane

01-05-2006, 07:40 PM

Alright I give up. This is turning into a huge mess.

jas01724

01-05-2006, 07:42 PM

it makes me think that he already knows that the WB isn't going to be upset with him for posting this HUGE spoiler.That, or he thought it wasn't such a HUGE spoiler anymore. I'm not surprised in the slightest that it's been taken down again.

You see? That is how quickly a PR agency works when they care!And when they're at work; none of the people I speak to were at work until Tuesday, and some didn't even get back until Wednesday! The images went up on New Year's Eve when there would have been at best a skeleton crew. None of the major PR people would have been on hand until it was probably already too late to do anything about it.

Taking this latest incident into account, I'm beginning to picture a snowball effect ...

JAX

01-05-2006, 07:42 PM

Alright I give up. This is turning into a huge mess.

Let's discuss X3....:up:

Zorex

01-05-2006, 07:43 PM

Kane

01-05-2006, 07:45 PM

Let's discuss X3....:up:

Nah. Too much Halle Berry in that one.

They need to pull Marsden's ass off Superman Returns and give him alot of focus in X3...

What's the point of the Phoenix Saga without Cyclops?

Serene

01-05-2006, 07:45 PM

http://bestsmileys.com/mouthzippedshut/1.gif <--JS?

Kane

01-05-2006, 07:47 PM

I hope John Schnieder's last episode has alot of sex in it...

that should piss him off.

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 07:48 PM

That, or he thought it wasn't such a HUGE spoiler anymore. I'm not surprised in the slightest that it's been taken down again.

Or this is all part of the Master Plan to confuse everyone :p

jas01724

01-05-2006, 07:52 PM

Or this is all part of the Master Plan to confuse everyone :pWho's confuzzled? :p

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 07:53 PM

Who's confuzzled? :p

Do you honestly think Jonathan Kent himself would make that mistake ? I am sure NOT doing that is in some kind of Contract / NDA

Serene

01-05-2006, 07:55 PM

I think it's hilarious. I'm a bit tense about it too....I really really don't want Chloe to die. no no no. But really, this is a riot. "Look! Pics in which he may quite possibly be dead!" "Look, he's proposing...oh, she definitely dies." "Chloe Spoilers Post-Ep 100! .....oh, that totally means she dies." :p

I'm having fun with this. :)

Are they really playing with us? Or has the security on this ep just gone totally FUBAR? LOL...

Man.. I really hope they talk about all this on the DVD commentary.

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 07:56 PM

I'm having fun with this. :)

Are they really playing with us? Or has the security on this ep just gone totally FUBAR? LOL...

Man.. I really hope they talk about all this on the DVD commentary.

Screw commentary this deserves its own Hour long Documentary :up:

jas01724

01-05-2006, 08:00 PM

Do you honestly think Jonathan Kent himself would make that mistake ? I am sure NOT doing that is in some kind of Contract / NDAMistakes happen, regardless of who you are ...

Squatlow

01-05-2006, 08:04 PM

I'm going with my earlier post. I think this episode willl be more about Lex turning than Clark maturing. I think Lana and Lionel are the 2 swimming in the dead pool.

Q-But oh great Squatlow, what about the now infamous photos?
A-Who says JK is dead in those photos?

I'm fully expecting there to be some hidden twist in the end, especially since TPTB didn't throw a hissy fit as expected today over the "premature" release of those teaser pics.

This is a good theory, though the dent would be how would Lex know it was Clark's fault, unless Clark told him, or Lex was there to witness the exchange of dialog? In case of the latter, that would mean that everybody except Martha and Lois (for now) have seen Clark's Fortress of Solitude. Ya just have to laugh. LOL ;)

Indeed! It's a BYOB party. (Bring your own [drool] bucket.)

[Pat brings two, just for the helluvit.]

:D

Wouldn't be too hard for the writers to get both bodies in Smallville. Lessee now, ummm, Jor-El grants Clark's wish to revive JK in the FOS, then returns to Smallville with Lana (the sacrifice) and they both drop dead in the Luthor mansiion where Clark superspeeds (FLIES MAYBE???!!!) back to Smallville and is discovered by Lex leaning over both Lionel's and Lana's bodies trying to do CPR on both and uhhh...oh hell, I dunno how they'd do it, but they could if they wanted to!!!

Guess I better not quit my day job. Detective prolly wouldn't be a good career choice. :O :D :D

GinaRenee

01-05-2006, 08:12 PM

Well, I don't have a clue what all this is about, but I've sent a note to John's assistant asking if we can please have some kind of explanation of what's going on. I'm inclined to think that the first message was accurate and the second was an attempt at damage control that went a little too far (with all the "I've read several scripts" and so forth). But we'll see.

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 08:12 PM

With this Episode I say all bets are off :p

JAX

01-05-2006, 08:14 PM

A-Who says JK is dead in those photos?

Ummmm.....JK did :)

ILuvKalEl

01-05-2006, 08:16 PM

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 08:17 PM

It is going to be a long 2 Months

JAX

01-05-2006, 08:18 PM

Also, who is this " Mr. Janollari" ??????? I think we need to have a little chat with him...

KalKai

01-05-2006, 08:19 PM

2 months? the 100th is on the 26th.

Mike_D

01-05-2006, 08:27 PM

I hope John Schnieder's last episode has alot of sex in it...

that should piss him off.

LMAO

Mike_D

01-05-2006, 08:27 PM

I hope John Schnieder's last episode has alot of sex in it...

that should piss him off.

LMAO

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 08:32 PM

Holy double post Batman

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 08:33 PM

2 months? the 100th is on the 26th.

of Jan ? okay its going to be a LONG Jan

I hope he lives. Imagine after Jonathan "supposedly" dies & the town declares him dead while Clark is at the Fortress with him & Lex automatically wins because no one is willing to run against him can you imagine the face on Lex's look with Jonathan walking into the Mansion with Clark paying Lex a little visit & after Jonathan says what he has to say to Lex him & Clark leaves & Lex thinks they are gone after a while then Lex gets on the Phone calling someone (the guy who was supposed to kill Jonathan) Clark Super Hears the Phone Call storms back into the room where Lex is & kicks Lex Ass

AgentPat

01-05-2006, 08:47 PM

[strolls innocently into thread]

What the..............

HUH?????

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/huh.gif

OMG! I think I just peed my pants from laughing so hard.

So uh... we were talking about "damage control?" HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Gotta luv JS. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/footinmouth.gif Best. Goofball. Moment. Ever!
And yeah, I think heads are *definitely* gonna roll now. This has been one crazy roller coast ride, ahuh!

Brainiac 8

01-05-2006, 08:48 PM

Brainiac 8

01-05-2006, 08:49 PM

Pat, I'm thinking you should start picking out the spot for the ol' Plasma.:up: :D

AgentPat

01-05-2006, 08:52 PM

Pat, I'm thinking you should start picking out the spot for the ol' Plasma.I just broke out the tape measure, B8! :D :up:

Though hubby continues to point out that if Chloe bites it too, the bet is null. :(

Shadup, Zing. :p ;) :D

Brainiac 8

01-05-2006, 08:56 PM

I just broke out the tape measure, B8! :D :up:

Though hubby continues to point out that if Chloe bites it too, the bet is null. :(

Shadup, Zing. :p ;) :D

Sounds like he's gonna fight it tooth and nail til the end.:p

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 08:57 PM

If Lionel dies in this Episode I wonder how that'll happen. Clark confronts Lex with Clark knowing Lex killed Jonathan. Clark & Lex get into a brawl after a few good hard punches & a throw or two Lex brings out Green Kryptonite to weaken Clark Lex punches Clark a few times with the Kryptonite Clark is Super Weak then Lionel (Jor El is in control) comes in to try to stop Lex Lionel uses some Super Powers to get that Green Kryptonite away from Clark. Lex & Lionel have a few words & Lex finds out that Lionel knows everything about Clark Lionel (remember Jor El is controlling) begs Lex to put the Green Kryptonite away & that him & Clark will tell Lex that the 3 will talk things through but Lex is just furious with his father that Lionel is protecting Clark Lex shoots & kills Lionel himself a bright light surrounds Lionel (meaning Jor El is going back to the FOS) Lex puts the Kryptonite away & has a little bit of a bloody face. Clark gets up & Lex & Clark just stares at each other for a bit with Clark showing a ticked off face & Clark walks away & tada end of their Friendship & Lex is now evil :up:
Note this would obviously happen at the very end of the Episode with Jonathan really dead

What you guys think for the death of Lionel ?

Serene

01-05-2006, 09:04 PM

Be sure to note whose faces are used in this manip. :D

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8177/almilesfreeze5uz.jpg
reposted with permission.

triplet

01-05-2006, 09:09 PM

http://bestsmileys.com/mouthzippedshut/1.gif <--JS?

Too funny...

:D

AgentPat

01-05-2006, 09:17 PM

These are wicked funny!!!

http://bestsmileys.com/mouthzippedshut/1.gif

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8177/almilesfreeze5uz.jpg

The Incredible Hulk

01-05-2006, 09:32 PM

GinaRenee

01-05-2006, 09:41 PM

He had a LOT to lose. He's still trying to sell that new show he wants to produce to the WB, according to that first message, which I still think is accurate. If he were to tick them off now . . . not so good.

GinaRenee

01-05-2006, 09:46 PM

Serene

01-05-2006, 09:48 PM

one thing I dont find too bad IF its true, is that from what he said, they're making the death caused by his heart, naturally I'm hoping. Let Jor-El zap someone else, but if they have Jor-El killing off Jonathan because of one of those deals, they've totally just ****ed the motivations for Superman

Re-reading the quote - I now think that we don't know one way or another if it's the lifeforce exchange death or not. JS feels it relates back to the deal made with Jor-El to get Clark back from Metropolis.. but he says it's written as heart failure. I think it could still be *the* death by Jor-El.. heart failure brought on by Jor-El jumping out and yelling BOO at Jonathan? ;)

Come to think of it... if it turns out that Jonathan's death is truly the one foretold by Jor-El, does that necessarily mean that it was "caused" by Jor-El? Or was Jor-El just the messenger in the great balance of nature?

Things that make you go, "hmmm..."

Earthsea

01-05-2006, 09:48 PM

Can JS really be THAT dumb to have posted that on that website? :confused: The cast has all signed a non-disclosure agreement I'm assuming, though if he gets offed, what does he have to lose except for maybe a lawsuit and no more "American Girl" TV movies :eek: atleast he's still got Home Depot....

one thing I dont find too bad IF its true, is that from what he said, they're making the death caused by his heart, naturally I'm hoping. Let Jor-El zap someone else, but if they have Jor-El killing off Jonathan because of one of those deals, they've totally just ****ed the motivations for Superman

Thing is if Jonathan dies of Natural Cause then that is not Jor El killing them & the death is supposed to be because of Jor El & someone close to Clark. If Lionel dies Clark wont care basically. If Jonathan really dies of natural cause then the only other candidate is Chloe that Clark would care about dying, I really hope these guys know what they are doing.

triplet

01-05-2006, 10:08 PM

Oh, and I forgot to say, it's his assistant who posts the newsletters. But both he and John have been pretty careful lately about what they were saying.

I don't know. My best guess is that either John or his assistant were getting e-mails about the pictures, and figured the jig was up and they could tell the truth. Until the WB informed them otherwise.

That seems the most likely scenario, just like someone else said... I don't remember who.. James? Pat?

I think JS's heart was in the right place, even though he was apparently mistaken that the cat was totally out of the bag because of those pictures. He must have had a lot of emails and calls.

He just wanted to reassure his fans that he was okay with it.

I'm glad he is.

Serene

01-05-2006, 10:14 PM

Is there any chance that both of the "updates" were false and just a result of his site getting hacked?

Spider-Gamer

01-05-2006, 10:15 PM

Is there any chance that both of the "updates" were false and just a result of his site getting hacked?
I hope so... :(

jas01724

01-05-2006, 10:15 PM

That seems the most likely scenario, just like someone else said... I don't remember who.. James? Pat?It was me, because I STILL think those pictures either have or will cause a lot of a trouble.

Yeah, yeah, Zing thinks it's no big deal. :p

jas01724

01-05-2006, 10:19 PM

Is there any chance that both of the "updates" were false and just a result of his site getting hacked?It looks like a well-intentioned mistake to me.

triplet

01-05-2006, 10:29 PM

It was me, because I STILL think those pictures either have or will cause a lot of a trouble.

Yeah, yeah, Zing thinks it's no big deal. :p

I think the big worry is whether the wider media will get hold of the story and publish the announcement that was on JS's web site.

That would probably be really bad...

Spider-Gamer

01-05-2006, 10:32 PM

I think the big worry is whether the wider media will get hold of the story and publish the announcement that was on JS's web site.

That would probably be really bad...
I hope not because if it is true I don't want it ruined for the general public! :(

jas01724

01-05-2006, 10:45 PM

I think the big worry is whether the wider media will get hold of the story and publish the announcement that was on JS's web site.WB will want to know why that little announcement was there to start with; if it turns out that he thought the cat was out of the bag already, WB will be very curious to find out what made him think so.

A similar situation is going on over on the board for that movie we won't name. Some spoilers were posted on the 2nd, and they were up for two whole days until the PR team were back at work. At any other time they would have been gone within hours.

I'm still picturing that snowball ...

JackMercy

01-05-2006, 10:54 PM

This is some gooood pizza...

Just when you're expecting something routine and...predictable, you get a spicy one!

(I ain't got Nothin'!)

;)

JackMercy

01-05-2006, 10:59 PM

Oh yeah, and snowballs? Nobody much likes 'em where I come from!

They aren't popular 'round here!

(if you hadn't figured that out already...)

:cool:

triplet

01-05-2006, 11:22 PM

Okay, I just saw this... too funny and quite appropriate to the man who's playing the late, great Jonathan Kent.

It's important that you look out for your interests this week, because no one else will. But that's okay: Success tastes better when you've cooked it yourself. Decide what it is you want to achieve in life, and then make it happen.

he he he

jas01724

01-05-2006, 11:26 PM

This is some gooood pizza...Mine fell out of the oven before it was baked. Now everyone's mad because the sauce is all over the floor ...

I think the head chef just slipped on it.

:O

Zing79

01-06-2006, 01:03 AM

It was me, because I STILL think those pictures either have or will cause a lot of a trouble.

Yeah, yeah, Zing thinks it's no big deal. :p
LOL
I still don't.
Those pictures are STILL up. Either DTKK is begging to get sued, or WB just doesn't care.

All of those assets are owned by WB. Forget about getting black balled by a PR agency; that's real world screwed. And there’s no way DTKK hasn’t received a cease and desist order by now if WB actually cared.

jas01724

01-06-2006, 01:38 AM

And there’s no way DTKK hasn’t received a cease and desist order by now if WB actually cared.Something leaked out to me once, and it was never taken down from where it was posted. Yet I was still contacted about it THREE WEEKS later because they weren't happy. There was no formal C&D or anything even resembling one, but to say they didn't care would not be quite true. ;)

Thunder Emperor

01-06-2006, 02:34 AM

from http://www.johnschneider.tv/index.php

Hi there!

I appreciate everyone's concern about the "Smallville" rumors but need to strongly reprimand whoever posted todays newsletter regarding the future of my character. In fact, I have read several scripts with Jonathan Kent in them and have no evidence of his demise.

Also... Please don't email anyone at The WB about this as they are busy preparing a fantastic second part of the season for us all.

Again... Rumors are just that and shouldn't be taken too seriously. And please don't write to Mr. Janollari. He is a big fan of not only the show but of mine as well. A great guy!

Happy New Year!

John

Zing79

01-06-2006, 02:54 AM

Something leaked out to me once, and it was never taken down from where it was posted. Yet I was still contacted about it THREE WEEKS later because they weren't happy. There was no formal C&D or anything even resembling one, but to say they didn't care would not be quite true. ;)
Worst.PR.EVER.
If any of what you're saying (about this particular situation) is bang on everyone working on the WB/TV/Smallville account should be fired on the spot.

I can't sneeze without someone in PR knowing about it, and how it affects their client. And its even worse with assets, where deals are negotiated months in advance for their release and NDA's are signed left and right to secure them.

These pictures all seem pretty intense, and if this whole situation is being handled so casually, WB/TV/Smallville has the worst PR agents working PR today.

As far as what happened with you, (and don't take this the wrong way because 90% of my current career has been like this :( ), you're just not big enough for a PR agency to be on top of what you're doing 24/7.

Years ago I obtained a preview handed to me by someone who signed an NDA. I put it up, and during the period it was up only on my site, not a word from anyone ever came. The second that preview was picked up by a huge media outlet (and I mean almost to the second), my inbox was hit with not so subtle hints that the preview should come down.

Thunder Emperor

01-06-2006, 02:58 AM

Hey Zing any ne manips, and Happy New Year Man.

jas01724

01-06-2006, 03:37 AM

If any of what you're saying (about this particular situation) is bang on everyone working on the WB/TV/Smallville account should be fired on the spot.I have no idea why they've taken so long to do anything about this, all I know is that they were leaked/released early. I can't really fault them for it, as they seem to want to allow fans to enjoy their material unless it causes a major problem ... but then JS' little announcement, and the subsequent speedy retraction, indicates that this is something they want to keep under wraps. My gut tells me JS was on the level and honestly thought everybody already knew.

As far as what happened with you ... you're just not big enough for a PR agency to be on top of what you're doing 24/7.Oh sure, and I'm happy about that. ;) The thing I was contacted about was actually posted in the SR forum here on SHH! where everything seems to be stamped on in an instant. I wouldn't have been surprised by the delay if it had been posted on my own site, but that just goes to show that even things posted on here don't always immediately get much attention.

What you say about it only being noticed once it's posted somewhere bigger is so true. DTKK and Sweet probably aren't first on the list of places that the PR department would think to look, anymore than my site would be.

Mike_D

01-06-2006, 06:34 AM

AgentPat

01-06-2006, 06:51 AM

:down another "Johanthon Kent is dead but not really" episodes...bleh.

Must mean Chloe and Lionel are goners.Mike, read back a bit. There's more to this "story." LOL
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7545986&postcount=1148

Jonathan Kent will be no more post Reckoning. ;)

NHawk19

01-06-2006, 07:09 AM

Well who knows, this could all be a delicate ruse to try to drum up controversy regarding the death of a character, whose death was supposed to be a controversy, but really doesnt come unexpectedly. Alas poor John you screwed up the WB's plans forcing them to lay the smack down on your ass.

Mike_D

01-06-2006, 08:54 AM

Mike, read back a bit. There's more to this "story." LOL
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7545986&postcount=1148

Jonathan Kent will be no more post Reckoning. ;)

*sigh of relief*...at last :up: (not to sound morbid but the time has come for Clark's dad to go bye-bye). It shall be a good episode indeed.

musclesforsupes

01-06-2006, 09:21 AM

Maybe no one will die.

Zorex

01-06-2006, 09:40 AM

Serene, omg, FUBAR. haha. yes, it is reaching that level. Any day now Kreuk's probably gonna have a quote online saying "omg, didn't you know, it's my ass they're putting six feet under!" followed, only minutes later, with "whoa, sorry, THAT wasn't meant to be said.......................watch episode 100."

Earthsea

01-06-2006, 10:11 AM

Mike, read back a bit. There's more to this "story." LOL
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7545986&postcount=1148

Jonathan Kent will be no more post Reckoning. ;)

Still a chance Chloe can be dead dude #2 Depending no how Jonathan dies of course. If he dies of Natural Cause then good chance Chloe is a goner but if Jonathan dies due to Jor El then Lionel is the other one to go

AgentPat

01-06-2006, 10:24 AM

Oh yeah, and snowballs? Nobody much likes 'em where I come from!

They aren't popular 'round here!

(if you hadn't figured that out already...)Hmm. Snowballs, eh? Well they're okay, provided the timing is right and you know how to catch 'em. Otherwise, you're better off just getting out of their way.

As to being popular. Pfft! I live in New England. Snowballs are a way of life here.

And here. :p

Jack, I just couldn't resist. :cool:

PS: It's January 6th. It's the New Year. Lets make it a 'pecial one. Whadaya say? :O

avidreader

01-06-2006, 10:25 AM

"It's written as his heart giving up but I personally think that Jorel requested payment for the powers given to Jonathan to get Clark back. "

He's referencing what happened in Exile here. So we still may have a surprise death/life exchange. Could explain the lack of damage control.

Kane

01-06-2006, 11:08 AM

Theres something else so basic that should have been considered earlier on, even before Schneider's statements;

Despite the fact that I hate the idea of John Kent dying, it seems like the likely result given the already established information (even before the pictures);

If Kent dies (thanks to Jorel and Clark) it can be explained to the public as due to his heart condition or a heart attack. Obviously the funeral for whoever dies will be a public event as evidenced by the lavishness of it during the promo.

If Lana or Chloe dies (killed by Jorel)...how is it going to be explained to the public?...and to Lex, Lois and the other characters who dont know about Clark's story.

Unfortunately its likely to be Kent based on this. However, all this life-force transfering nonsense was really uneccessary, he could have simply died naturally of a heart attack and it would probably work better that way.

musclesforsupes

01-06-2006, 11:09 AM

whats the latest news from kryaptonsite.com

avidreader

01-06-2006, 11:13 AM

Unfortunately its likely to be Kent based on this. However, all this life-force transfering nonsense was really uneccessary, he could have simply died naturally of a heart attack and it would probably work better that way.

I dont understand how you can say something will work better when you dont know the exact details of how its going to work anyway.

If Lana or Chloe dies (killed by Jorel)...how is it going to be explained to the public?...and to Lex, Lois and the other characters who dont know about Clark's story.

And why would the public have to be aware of the life exchange. A death is a death no matter how it happens.

I dont think you're going to see someone's life force leave their body and make its way into Clark's.

avidreader

01-06-2006, 11:16 AM

whats the latest news from kryaptonsite.com

Here's the news page if you want to go and take a look

http://www.kryptonsite.com/news.htm

;)

Kane

01-06-2006, 11:17 AM

And why would the public have to be aware of the life exchange. A death is a death no matter how it happens.

I dont think you're going to see someone's life force leave their body and make its way into Clark's.

I never said they could have to be aware of the exchange exactly but aware of the reason of the person's death. John has a heart condition, so his death makes sense.

With Lana or Chloe....their deaths may be alot harder to explain to Lex, Lois and everyone else.

Kane

01-06-2006, 11:19 AM

I dont understand how you can say something will work better when you dont know the exact details of how its going to work anyway.

Well if Im examining it from the standpoint of Jorel taking the life from Jonathan Kent....I can safely say I dislike that idea from reasons Ive mentioned many times already.

John Kent dying naturally works fine for me.

musclesforsupes

01-06-2006, 11:21 AM

My stupid job prevents me from seeing it :( can someone unlock the magic power of cut and paste.

avidreader

01-06-2006, 11:27 AM

^^^ There's nothing new there Muscles, regarding Reckoning.

There are some screen caps from the latest trailer and the episode title for 5.16 Hynotic.

I never said they could have to be aware of the exchange exactly but aware of the reason of the person's death. John has a heart condition, so his death makes sense.

With Lana or Chloe....their deaths may be alot harder to explain to Lex, Lois and everyone else.

Couldnt they get run over by a car or contract a disease. They're not going to just keel over and die.

musclesforsupes

01-06-2006, 11:33 AM

I need to call up Tom and get him to tell me the truth over the weekend, that guy hasnt called me since Monday anyway.

JAX

01-06-2006, 11:33 AM

Unfortunately its likely to be Kent based on this. However, all this life-force transfering nonsense was really uneccessary, he could have simply died naturally of a heart attack and it would probably work better that way.

I agree...I hope its not John Schneider either, but it likley is. Whatever the case may be....the show will move on for the better. Again, we are going see storylines with Brainiac, Deciples of Zod, and maybe Zod himself not to mention 100% evil Lex. That should keep us entertained for a while.

Another thing, has anyone noticed that 90% of the people in the forums here and elsewhere support keeping JS on the show? Do you think WB has paid attention that?

Bruce_Wayne29

01-06-2006, 11:35 AM

In the imortal words from Jonathan himself in "Perry": "This thing's getting way out of control."
I'm having a hard time believing that Schneider would spoil the show like this just because of the pictures that were leaked. Unless he has a major beef with Warner or the producers regarding misuse of the character and did this as a retaliation. But I find that doubtful.
Plus if they have Clark begging Jor-El to save Jonathan and he doesn't save him, Clark will have even more hatred for Jor-El which is a bit stupid unless he is revealed to be The Eradicator. Jonathan's death should be the result of natural causes and shouldn't have anything to do with Jor-El.
Let's just leave Lana out of the equation once and for all. Whether you hate her or not, not only she is one of the 3 main characters in the show but she is alive in the future when Clark already is wearing the suit so she can't be killed. You may argue that the show sometimes do their own thing but they wouldn't disrespect this, plus it's already been hinted that is not her.
What I think is that this is an unprecendented marketing (at least in recent years there hasn't been something like this) campaign for a tv show episode. And it may result in their biggest rated show ever. I think with all the false scripts, posts etc they are playing with us and driving us sucessfully insane.
I'm still betting on Lionel and the other one will be either Chloe or Jonathan.