Reckoning Discussion Thread (100th episode, Spoilers)

[Poetic Chaos]

Characters need to die to simply make his secret identity a secret again. Seeing him propose to Lana in the FOS kills me. I don't know what the hell brings them there, but she sure as hell don't belong.

[user123456789]

Look back (in this thread) at what JS posted on his website. JK goes down because of his heart (something I theorized previously by pointing out that JK is wearing the same clothes during his fight with Lionel that he is in Clarks arms in the FOS) -- Lana apparently goes down because of an accident.
It appears to happen at the same time.

This could all theoretically still end up on Clark’s shoulders. As a previous poster has said: what if Jor-El doesn’t collect the debt so much as he knows “Nature” will? “Nature” being smart like it is knows there’s a good chance Clark can save someone he loves, so it puts two people down for the count at the same time, and makes Clark choose which to save (can’t be in two places at once).

so ur sayin he chooses lana over his father?

[user123456789]

Characters need to die to simply make his secret identity a secret again. Seeing him propose to Lana in the FOS kills me. I don't know what the hell brings them there, but she sure as hell don't belong.

i can take all the changes they made to the superman mythos, but killing Lana would just... ugh.. NO.

[LivingInClip]

I say Jonathan dies - but somehow, Lex gets the blame for it. It can never be proven or even if it can, Lex has enough money to get out of it..This finally ends the friendship bewteen Clark and Lex, it has been under strain, but this does it..No more. Will Lex have something to do with it? Maybe..Maybe not, but either way, it ruins anything left with Lex and Clark.

Lionel will die ...Eventually. This episode? Maybe. It may show the constrast of Lex and Clark..Each dealing with a loss of a father..Clark mournin', Lex layin' back and not carin'.

Clark will tell Lana before Jon dies. Lana will turn him down for the secerts , the hidin' and then, while he is crushed, he'll lose his father.

[user123456789]

Clark will tell Lana before Jon dies. Lana will turn him down for the secerts , the hidin' and then, while he is crushed, he'll lose his father.

i dont think he'll be crushed. the ideal way lana would turn him down is because i HOPE she tells clark that his destiny is too great to be spent with just her. he is capable of doing great things and her rejection will be because she feels she's too inadequate for his needs. she'll say how its jealous of her to want an intimate relationship with someone who has all these abilities.

[triplet]

i finally think i understand what the 'un-devoted' part in ur sig means. at first i thought it was a personal thing (divorce?) but now i think it means you no longer go to DTS but visit TW.org?

Yeah, I was banned for supposedly stealing news content from them even though it was hardly an exclusive news item they were talking about and I have no reason to steal from those passive aggressive *****es anyways.

I can actually write and I do have ethics, unlike them.

Am I bitter? Naw... not me. ;)

Anyway, I'm the "Cindy" on tw.org that sometimes manages to sneak in news updates before James has a chance to. :D

[triplet]

There's some MAJOR new stuff to think about after this ep (Fanatic). The DTS 20 sec trailer -- look at it again! Look at the clothes Clark is wearing during the Lana the accident. Look familiar to some pics we've already seen?
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/compare01.jpg
Not only is it the same suit, the tie is open in the exact same way. Me thinks two characters go down for the count at the SAME time. Clark finally learns its impossible to save everyone?

I think you're right and I noticed that Clark was wearing the same thing as the FOS/Jonathan images right off....

This episode is going to be a heart breaker, that is for sure, no matter who buys it. I'm tearing up just thinking about it.

:(

[The Incredible Hulk]

I just heard a crazy rumor about this episode, not sure what to make of it...



Somehow time travel may be involved in this whole thing... :eek:

[triplet]

so ur sayin he chooses lana over his father?

Well, going by the new screen caps (http://www.kryptonsite.com/reckoningtrailer1.htm) for Reckoning's trailer on KryptonSite, I'm not sure he knows Jonathan is in trouble when he saves Lana.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/reckoningtrailer36.htm

http://www.kryptonsite.com/reckoningtrailer37.htm

Those are real interesting images, given it looks like both Jonathan and Clark are at the accident scene...

All I can say is wow... :eek:

Maybe Clark runs off with Lana to save her when Jonathan has his heart attack, I dunno what to think about these.

What I do hope is that time somehow speeds up between now and then, because I don't think I can wait two weeks to see what will happen.

[KalKai]

..and Lex is kissing Lana.. lol.

[Spaceballs]

I just heard a crazy rumor about this episode, not sure what to make of it...



Somehow time travel may be involved in this whole thing... :eek:

I dont like that. Its Smallville not Stargate or any other Time Travel thing. To bad Lana wont stay dead. Would have benn GOOD Character Development for Lex especially after Lexmas. I think Clark simply takes Lana to the FOS & Jor El revives Lana & then once Clark hears about Jonathan he tries to get Jor El to revive Jonathan. Boy Clark will be doing alot of pleading, begging with Jor El this Episode.

[triplet]

I dont like that. Its Smallville not Stargate or any other Time Travel thing.

I think he was joking...

[Spaceballs]

I think he was joking...

Nope several sites appear to have that Spoiler up according to a few people. But good god just thiinking about it

[avidreader]

I hate the idea of time travel, I really hope it doesnt go down like that. And I will be absolutely fuming if Lana is given some kind of mind whammy.

In those new pics, it looks like she accepts the ring at the farm, then leaves to go to Lex's :eek: . Kisses him..... eeeewwww! Drives off, talks to Clark on the cell and who knows what happens then. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/suetomup/S30J-126-SMA1-10-11.jpg

Do we have time in this 40 minutes for Clark to take two people to the FOS and beg Jor-el for help?

[Spaceballs]

I hate the idea of time travel, I really hope it doesnt go down like that. And I will be absolutely fuming if Lana is given some kind of mind whammy.

In those new pics, it looks like she accepts the ring at the farm, then leaves to go to Lex's :eek: . Kisses him..... eeeewwww! Drives off, talks to Clark on the cell and who knows what happens then. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/suetomup/S30J-126-SMA1-10-11.jpg

Do we have time in this 40 minutes for Clark to take two people to the FOS and beg Jor-el for help?

Why would Lana leave to go to Lexs RIGHT AFTER THAT ? DAMN HER Clark should have ignored Lana :down

[musclesforsupes]

Looks like a chloe or jonathan kent in the new screen cap

[The Caped Knight]

In the new trailer, It looks like lana's the one who dies .

[Spaceballs]

In the new trailer, It looks like lana's the one who dies .

But the Pictures say other other wise :(

[triplet]

Nope several sites appear to have that Spoiler up according to a few people. But good god just thiinking about it

Oh, I hope not.

Also, if Lana somehow forgets because of what happens I will rip Al & Miles a new one in my review.

:mad:

That would be absolutely ridiculous.

[musclesforsupes]

This is pissing me off I need to know NOW! WHO THE HEck DIES

[Spaceballs]

Oh, I hope not.

Also, if Lana somehow forgets because of what happens I will rip Al & Miles a new one in my review.

:mad:

That would be absolutely ridiculous.

I say lets all march to WB & KILL THEM ALL if that happens :up:

[Spaceballs]

This is pissing me off I need to know NOW! WHO THE HEck DIES

You know it is funny. If those Pictures of Lana & Jonathan NEVER leaked & after seeing the Lex, Clark Video wed all be celebrating that Lana is biting the dust lol

[avidreader]

I keep trying to tell myself that a mind whammy doesnt equal character progression.

But what if its enough for Clark to know that Lana accepted him. Its something that has plagued him since the Pilot. He realises that he can never have her. If that's what it boils down to, knowing my secret is dangerous then what about the Kents and Chloe, and Pete whereever he is, still knows.

And for Lana wont she still want to know what the truth is and still continue with her endeavours to uncovering the meteor showers.

Unless they give her amnesia for a while and that's why she hooks up with Lex only to regain her memory by the end of the season. I could see them doing that.

I think this is bothering me more than the death now.

[Spaceballs]

I keep trying to tell myself that a mind whammy doesnt equal character progression.

But what if its enough for Clark to know that Lana accepted him. Its something that has plagued him since the Pilot. He realises that he can never have her. If that's what it boils down to, knowing my secret is dangerous then what about the Kents and Chloe, and Pete whereever he is, still knows.

And for Lana wont she still want to know what the truth is and still continue with her endeavours to uncovering the meteor showers.

Unless they give her amnesia for a while and that's why she hooks up with Lex only to regain her memory by the end of the season. I could see them doing that.

I think this is bothering me more than the death now.

If they have Lana hook up with Lex after Clark saves her & tells her everything then Clark should have saved Jonathan & Lana should have stayed dead

[musclesforsupes]

I bet clark runs around the globe like in STM, and reverses time.

[Spaceballs]

I bet clark runs around the globe like in STM, and reverses time.

How is that possbile when Clark cant even fly yet ? Unless while Clark is looking down at Lana (with other people there) he lets out a cry & flies up WITH witnesses around. Maybe if Clark was there by himself I can see that happen but I dont know

[The Incredible Hulk]

I think thats why he said RUNS

[musclesforsupes]

yea i said RUNS not FLY

[Spaceballs]

Still seems weird. The most logical would be Clark Super Speeding Lana to the FOS when no ones looking :p

[GinaRenee]

Do my eyes deceive me, or is Clark carrying LOIS in one of those caps??

Okay, new theory -- everybody dies and only Clark is left standing!

[The Incredible Hulk]

well that would tie in with the vision he had in "Hourglass".... :)

[Spaceballs]

Do my eyes deceive me, or is Clark carrying LOIS in one of those caps??

Okay, new theory -- everybody dies and only Clark is left standing!

Eh ? What Screen Cap you talking about

[GinaRenee]

http://www.kryptonsite.com/reckoningtrailer26.htm

[triplet]

http://www.kryptonsite.com/reckoningtrailer26.htm

Yeah, I thought that looked like Lois too.

I guess the Smallville Medical Center is going to be extremely busy that night.... Yikes.

:eek:

[Spaceballs]

So maybe Lex goes "bonkers" after witnessing Lanas so called death & gets a nuke or something & he kills everyone ?

[musclesforsupes]

Would someone spill the beans if they no come on who cares if its spoiled we got over two weeks of this crap left.

[KalKai]

muscles what are you talking about? everybody knows, Jonathan dies, and Lana dies but she'll be back, and maybe Lionel.

[musclesforsupes]

Maybe Pete Ross comes back and dies.

[KalKai]

noes Petey noes.

[musclesforsupes]

Maybe corn flakes die :(

[Kaboom]

i always thought that in the con lana freaks out when clark tells her the truth.

as for the time travel.....and the everyone dying thing, i think that would be awesome.

what if clark tells lana the truth and she freaks out and confides in lex...in the interim period everybody dies because of this reveal, including johnathan from a heart attack. jor-el reveals the secrets of time travel, and clark races the world back and never tells lana, which prevents everyone from dying except for jonathan who would have died anyway. then we can have a verbatim track of stm "with all my power, and i couldn't even save him."

that would be some good television, even though i am still holding out hope its not jonathan that kicks it.

[avidreader]

Do my eyes deceive me, or is Clark carrying LOIS in one of those caps??

Okay, new theory -- everybody dies and only Clark is left standing!

Its hard to tell but it also could be Jonathan, which makes more sense. He's kind of got that fluffy hairdo thing going on at the moment.





I just read some specs somewhere else that say that Chloe helps Clark with the time reversal. I think I'd seen that somewhere else too.

They could reverse time to just before Lana leaves Lex's, and in the meantime Jonathan dies, making Clark realise that he cant control everything and that nature has its way.

[Spaceballs]

i always thought that in the con lana freaks out when clark tells her the truth.

as for the time travel.....and the everyone dying thing, i think that would be awesome.

what if clark tells lana the truth and she freaks out and confides in lex...in the interim period everybody dies because of this reveal, including johnathan from a heart attack. jor-el reveals the secrets of time travel, and clark races the world back and never tells lana, which prevents everyone from dying except for jonathan who would have died anyway. then we can have a verbatim track of stm "with all my power, and i couldn't even save him."

that would be some good television, even though i am still holding out hope its not jonathan that kicks it.

NO

:up:

[Kaboom]

NO

:up:

no with a thumbs up? i dont get it. =(

[Spaceballs]

no with a thumbs up? i dont get it. =(


I prefer Lana dying & Clark taking her to the FOS & Jor El agrees to revive her. The whole going back in time thing does not match the leaked Pictures. Then again they could just be ****ing with us all even with that Preview. But if Clark proposes & tells Lana everything I think Clark would want her to remember eh & not have to do everything again

[kamillon66]

I think Lana will die....damn that's depressing.

[GinaRenee]

Its hard to tell but it also could be Jonathan, which makes more sense. He's kind of got that fluffy hairdo thing going on at the moment.


Fluffy, yes, but not ponytailed. :p And the face looked like a woman's.

[musclesforsupes]

Maybe Triplet will give me a shout out :(

[Zorex]

This talk of time-travel is ewwy.

However...

The size and importance of this episode is becoming increasingly obvious. I mean, derr, 100th episode, deaths, blah blah blah...yes, I know we knew. But it just seems like every little thing that comes out....marriage proposal, cheating?, death, more death....

I'm not convinced about any of the deaths yet. Jonathon, Lana...the spots from last night seem to indicate Lana, but c'mon, they're not going to be THAT obvious...

edit: I just realized that there is quite a lack of Chloeness amidst all this talk of the 100th episode .... :(

[GarudA]

After seen all does caps, I am now 90% convinced that JK will be the one going and Lana will stay.

[triplet]

Maybe Triplet will give me a shout out :(

Give it up, muscles.

Maybe if I spell it out in nice, big friendly letters you'll get it:

Ain't. Gonna. Happen. Ever.

[Spaceballs]

Give it up, muscles.

Maybe if I spell it out in nice, big friendly letters you'll get it:

Ain't. Gonna. Happen. Ever.

You go boy :up: represent

[user123456789]

ok i've just caught myself up on the last few pages...

LEX & LANA HOOK UP?

plz someone xplain this... k-site is down!

[musclesforsupes]

Thats It I am telling Teela on you :(

[AgentPat]

Jeeze!! One day. ONE FREAKIN' DAY!! I'm never leaving this board for more than 5 minutes ever again.



The hell? Time travel now? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/confused.gif

And that car just HAD to be red, didn't it? I swear... they better not.... ARGH!!!! :mad:

[musclesforsupes]

Back to the future IV: Smallville style.

[Spaceballs]

Jeeze!! One day. ONE FREAKIN' DAY!! I'm never leaving this board for more than 5 minutes ever again.



The hell? Time travel now? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/confused.gif

And that car just HAD to be red, didn't it? I swear... they better not.... ARGH!!!! :mad:

You Know I am surprised Clark & Lex are not in the Red Truck that Episode

[rumpuso]

I'm really not too thrilled with the time travel prospect either, especially if Chloe is involved. I can't fathom a good reason for her to be a part of that.

That time travel rumor...

is it an official spoiler now, or just someone's ponderings that took off on the net?

[user123456789]

ok i've just caught myself up on the last few pages...

LEX & LANA HOOK UP?

plz someone xplain this... k-site is down!

gotta go take a shower and run to the dentist, so im just makin sure someone responds to what i posted earlier. thanks in advance.

[AgentPat]

I'm really not too thrilled with the time travel prospect either, especially if Chloe is involved. I can't fathom a good reason for her to be a part of that.

That time travel rumor...

is it an official spoiler now, or just someone's ponderings that took off on the net?You know what I know, and probably more Chell, 'cause I just got back. But I'm gonna have to bolt again since it's Friday and I'm already behind the 8 ball (no pun intended). :D

As to the red car...

One of my favs from Adenjo:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/manip-adenjo2.jpg

[Red]

The way i see it from all the spoilers and screens...
Theirs a car crash , lana's about to die Clark takes her to the FOS saves her.
Jonathan dies by heart attack, but Jor-el won't save him.

See simple

Oh and musclesforsupes welcome to my ignor list.

[JAX]

My bet is Jonathan Kent dies and stays dead (unfotunatly) and Lana dies and comes back. Thats the "2 deaths" right there. We've always speculated Lionel...maybe not. Heres hoping Lionel will stay.

[musclesforsupes]

Oh darn red x I am so devistated *rolls eyes*

[Sawyer]

musclesforsupes , YOU REALLY ARE A ****HEAD, I'VE BEEN READY THIS THREAD FOR A WHILE AND I HADLY EVER POST, BUT YOU REALLY ARE A JACKASS. YOU SEEM TO THINK YOUR LIKE SOME KIND OF KING, BUT YOUR JUST SOME LITTLE ****HEAD, WHO HASN'T GROWN UP YET.

YOU KNOW HOW YOU SAID ALL THE SUPERMAN FORUMS KNOW YOU,

I KNOW WHY BECAUSE YOU A LITTLE ****ING SPAMMER, I BET YOUR A LITTLE KID TRYING TO AT GROWN UP.

HERES SOME ADVICE **** OFF.

[Mike_D]

I bet Lionel-El trades his life for Lanas (because from the looks of things, a drunk lex luthor was the cause of the car crash). The real lionel probably died back when the second meteor shower was hitting and he has been jor-el the entire time. THEN johnathon dies from natural causes and jor-el cant save him.

[Kaboom]

"All those things i can do, all those powers...and i couldn't even save him."

i hope its not jonathan.....

[Red]

"All those things i can do, all those powers...and i couldn't even save him."

You can pretty much guaranty that will be used at some point this season.

[JAX]

The real lionel probably died back when the second meteor shower was hitting and he has been jor-el the entire time.

Thats what I've been thinking. Lionel doesnt seem like Lionel lately.

[Mike_D]

You can pretty much guaranty that will be used at some point this season.

I think he already used a line like that back when Johanthon had his first heart attack. He was saying it to Martha I believe in the hospital.

[musclesforsupes]

musclesforsupes , YOU REALLY ARE A ****HEAD, I'VE BEEN READY THIS THREAD FOR A WHILE AND I HADLY EVER POST, BUT YOU REALLY ARE A JACKASS. YOU SEEM TO THINK YOUR LIKE SOME KIND OF KING, BUT YOUR JUST SOME LITTLE ****HEAD, WHO HASN'T GROWN UP YET.

YOU KNOW HOW YOU SAID ALL THE SUPERMAN FORUMS KNOW YOU,

I KNOW WHY BECAUSE YOU A LITTLE ****ING SPAMMER, I BET YOUR A LITTLE KID TRYING TO AT GROWN UP.

HERES SOME ADVICE **** OFF.



Can we be friends :(

[triplet]

You go boy :up: represent

Boy?

I'm not, and never have been... ;)

I'm all woman. :D

[Spaceballs]

Boy?

I'm not, and never have been... ;)

I'm all woman. :D

I know that but "you go woman" :up: represent

Just didnt sound right

[Mike_D]

Boy?

I'm not, and never have been... ;)

I'm all woman. :D

Well..guess that would explaing your avatar. I didnt wanna ask questions :O

[triplet]

Well..guess that would explaing your avatar. I didnt wanna ask questions :O

LOL!

:up: Although, I suppose if you're going only by beefcake avatars it still wouldn't rule out my being male.

I bet there are gay men out there that like Tom's Super fine pecs as much as I do.

:D

[avidreader]

Okay I think I've got it worked out. ;)

The reveal and the Fos scene take place first, then the proposal which has Lana saying that she needs to think about it.

Clark goes back to Smallville, Lana goes to Metropolis. Lana, after talking with Chloe decides that she is ready to accept Clark's proposal so she goes out to the farm and tells Clark that she loves him and yes she'll marry him some day. He puts the ring on her finger.

I think the Lana/Chloe conversation is the catalyst.

Clark is ready to go to the victory party with his parents and Lana says she'll meet him there and that she just wants to go and talk to Lex first.

She goes to talk to Lex, Lex is drunk cause he lost the election, Lana tells him that her and Clark are engaged, Lex gives her a kiss and some other situation between Lex and Lana happens here. Whether she spots something about Clark and takes it or whatever (not really important to the scheme of things) but whatever it is it makes Lex go after her.

Lana's out driving on the road talking to Clark on the cell about whatever it was she picked up in Lex's office, Lex is trying to get her to pull over, she takes her eyes off the road and bang.

The victory party cant be too far away considering Jonathan's in those shots with Clark running up to the car and Lana laying on the road.

My guess would be that Clark in order to save Lana uses his abilities in front of everyone and races off to the FOS to beg Jor-el to save her.

This is where the time manipulation and Chloe comes into play.

Time goes back to just before Chloe and Lana's conversation.

Clark will seek Chloe's help, possibly having told her everything that has happened and asking her not to talk with Lana regarding the proposal and to tell her that she should take some time to think about it for a while before she does anything.

Therefore Lana doesnt go out to the farm and accept the ring, and she doesnt go to Lex.

Now in the meantime a different time line of events unfold and Jonathan and Lionel will get into their fight, as per the images we've seen, Jonathan will have a heart attack. Clark will come home and see Jonathan passed out in the barn he'll then proceed to the FOS again begging for help.

This time Jor-el will give him some speech about not being able to change destiny and other stuff. Jonathan will probably regain consciousness for a short while and he and Clark will have their final good byes.

Clark will learn that with all his powers he still cant save everybody.

We'll have the funeral and Martha and Lana will be at Clark's side not knowing about the change of events. Only Chloe knows.

Lana and Clark remain unengaged.

Clark has always felt responsible for the death of Lana's parents even though the situation was out of his control. And Lana due to circumstances beyond her control will be responsible for Jonathan's death. Maybe Clark will finally be able to forgive himself for this.

In actuality the original chain of events are because of Lex. Which could lead to tension between Clark and Lex.

I'm not sure where Lionel fits in to all of this, but I wouldnt be surprised to see him going too and perhaps because of Lex's meddling.

[Spaceballs]

NO JUST NO Time Traveling = NO

[KalKai]

Spaceballs STFU, it's a Sci-Fi show.

[avidreader]

NO JUST NO Time Traveling = NO

I'm not too crazy about the time travel either, and I dont know how they're going to do it, but I think its a pretty sure bet that its gonna be done and Kalkai is right, it is sci-fi television. i.e. anything goes.

[Spaceballs]

Spaceballs STFU, it's a Sci-Fi show.

You dont have to be rude just because I dont like the Time Traveling thing. There is NO need to be a Jackass about it.

[triplet]

Good ideas, avid.

Just might explain everything.

[Spaceballs]

& KalKai a mod said this a few pages back so I figured I would quote him

If you don't like a poster USE the ignore features on your controls and you won't see the offenders posts, DO NOT engage with name calling and such.

Thank you!

Morg

Yes I know I called you a Jack Ass but I wouldnt have to if you would have been a little bit more Mature like everyone else has been

[Kaboom]

avid....good ideas. sounds very smallville-y. is there a particular reason you didnt have jonathan having a heart attack in th first timline?

[KalKai]

?

Just because I told you to STFU doesn't mean I don't like you, it's the internet, and it's a message board, don't take it too seriously.

[Spaceballs]

?

Just because I told you to STFU doesn't mean I don't like you, it's the internet, and it's a message board, don't take it too seriously.

Your the one taking someones opinion to seriously. If you dont like my opinion on something there is NO need to say it THAT way no one else has. Think before you act.

[AgentPat]

I bet there are gay men out there that like Tom's Super fine pecs as much as I do.I have quite a few gay male friends, and every one of them wants to... um, well, lets just say the descriptions are a bit too graphic for this board. ;) Suffice it to say, they collectively think he's a stud muffin. (Their words, not mine.) My sister-in-law doesn't watch the show and even SHE called him "sex-on-a-stick" once. LOL! Uhhhkay.

Topic? Oh yeah, Reckoning - or as I think Crisis put it, Wreck-a-thing...

Eh. I got nuthin'. :p

[KalKai]

Again, it's the internet, you don't know in what way I said it, all you're seeing are just words on your monitor lol.

[avidreader]

avid....good ideas. sounds very smallville-y. is there a particular reason you didnt have jonathan having a heart attack in th first timline?

Lana's accident happens during the victory party and Jonathan hasnt returned to the farm and confronted Lionel. I think after Jonathan wins, Lionel will come to collect his payment.

[JAX]

Good ideas, avid.

Just might explain everything.

I agree Avid...very good indeed. I still dont want the fathers to die. Too many good storylines left to do. As for the deaths, Look...JS left it on his website. True he took it off, but it was posted and I witnessed it. He's not going to last. Thats enough for me.

[JAX]

Lana's accident happens during the victory party and Jonathan hasnt returned to the farm and confronted Lionel. I think after Jonathan wins, Lionel will come to collect his payment.

I still dont believe its "Lionel". Something is strange about him latley.

[Spaceballs]

Lana's accident happens during the victory party and Jonathan hasnt returned to the farm and confronted Lionel. I think after Jonathan wins, Lionel will come to collect his payment.

But I dont get is why is Lionel going after Jonathan ? Jonathan would NEVER approve it to begin with. Then again Lionel probably wanted to do this all along get Jonathan out of the Picture & he is probably hoping / knows that Martha will get his seat

[user123456789]

im.. bah.

[triplet]

Damn internet.... Double post!

[triplet]

I have quite a few gay male friends, and every one of them wants to... um, well, lets just say the descriptions are a bit too graphic for this board. ;) Suffice it to say, they collectively think he's a stud muffin. (Their words, not mine.) My sister-in-law doesn't watch the show and even SHE called him "sex-on-a-stick" once. LOL! Uhhhkay.

:D :up:



Topic? Oh yeah, Reckoning - or as I think Crisis put it, Wreck-a-thing...

Eh. I got nuthin'. :p

Wreck-a-thing? LOL!

:D

[user123456789]

i just looked at the screencaps...

why does it look like lana LETS lex kiss her?

[triplet]

But I dont get is why is Lionel going after Jonathan ? Jonathan would NEVER approve it to begin with. Then again Lionel probably wanted to do this all along get Jonathan out of the Picture & he is probably hoping / knows that Martha will get his seat

Maybe it's Jonathan that went after Lionel. He has a balled up piece of paper in his hand at one point, maybe he found out about Lionel's illegal financial contribution to his campaign.

Jonathan would be upset by that for several reasons:

Well, the contribution was illegal
If anyone finds out about the contribution, it would ruin Jonathan's political career for good.
Lionel's manipulation of Martha's love and devotion for Jonathan is just plain creepy.
His manipulation of Martha also brings up the jealousy that Jonathan had felt back in Season 2 when she was working for Lionel.

[Spaceballs]

Maybe it's Jonathan that went after Lionel. He has a balled up piece of paper in his hand at one point, maybe he found out about Lionel's illegal financial contribution to his campaign.

Jonathan would be upset by that for several reasons:
Well, the contribution was illegal
If anyone finds out about the contribution, it would ruin Jonathan's political career for good.
Lionel's manipulation of Martha's love and devotion for Jonathan is just plain creepy.
His manipulation of Martha also brings up the jealousy that Jonathan had felt back in Season 2 when she was working for Lionel.

That could be it as well but to me at least it makes sense because Lionel did this so that in the end Martha can get the seat since he knows Martha trusts him & not Jonathan doesnt. Time will tell eh

[user123456789]

wow... lookin at the screencaps, and the size of that coffin...

(its lana... =(....)

[Tron5000]

Lana's accident happens during the victory party and Jonathan hasnt returned to the farm and confronted Lionel. I think after Jonathan wins, Lionel will come to collect his payment.

What payment are you referring to?

[avidreader]

But I dont get is why is Lionel going after Jonathan ? Jonathan would NEVER approve it to begin with. Then again Lionel probably wanted to do this all along get Jonathan out of the Picture & he is probably hoping / knows that Martha will get his seat

I think Lionel knows about Clark, and Lionel will threaten to blackmail Jonathan using Clark's secret and the financial aid as the bait.

What payment are you referring to?


His financial contribution. Give me what I want (I dont know what that is but I think it has something to do with Clark) or I'll spill the beans about the illegal financial contribution that you received.

Remember Lionel said in Transference, "I now know why you are so secretive, true power is better left unsaid". Or words to that effect.

[Spaceballs]

What payment are you referring to?


I guess you werent paying attention last night when Lionel offered a Check to Martha early in the Episode she then turned it down but then after talking with Lois near the end of the Episode realizing they are really out of Money the last we see of Martha is secretly meeting Lionel & she gets in a Limo with him in it & they drive off

[Spaceballs]

I think Lionel knows about Clark, and Lionel will threaten to blackmail Jonathan using Clark's secret and the financial aid as the bait.

I dont think Lionel knows BUT he can use the adoption set up as Black Mail. THAT alone would cause really big issues.

[Mister J]

This is all driving me crazy. There's been so much speculation and most of its seems at least somewhat realistic. 13 days can't get here quick enough.

It seems like that 'Chloe's Gonna Die' train has lost some steam.

[avidreader]

I dont think Lionel knows BUT he can use the adoption set up as Black Mail. THAT alone would cause really big issues.

I wonder if that was the document that Griff had.

[Spaceballs]

I wonder if that was the document that Griff had.

I thought Griff had a Picture ? But your right that very well could have been the Adoption Papers

[user123456789]

This thread will be CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY in 13 days...

we should organize an AOL/AIM chatroom so we can discuss the episode in real-time! whose with me!!

[Spaceballs]

I wonder if that was the document that Griff had.

I hope that during the Con frontation Lionel tells Jonathan everything he did to keep Lex away. Thatd certainly answer some questions.

[Tron5000]

I guess you werent paying attention last night when Lionel offered a Check to Martha early in the Episode she then turned it down but then after talking with Lois near the end of the Episode realizing they are really out of Money the last we see of Martha is secretly meeting Lionel & she gets in a Limo with him in it & they drive off

I was paying attention. I know Martha took the money for Jonathan's campaign, but I never heard any discussion of Lionel coming to "collect anything."

Try not to be so demeaning, ass. And learn to break thoughts up into complete sentences.

[Spaceballs]

This thread will be CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY in 13 days...

we should organize an AOL/AIM chatroom so we can discuss the episode in real-time! whose with me!!

Your right about that. Heck this Thread is getting more replies then Fanatic

[muscaremy]

man its at 75 pages and still got two weeks left......damn

another thing dunno if its been sed or not but in pic 27 of the reckoning caps it seems theres quite a few people there for the funeral....... and to me it seems there wouldnt be that many for lana or chloe or anyone else cept for maybe bo duke.... no?



okay now that ive looked at the rest of the caps i dunno..... **** is it two weeks yet

[Tron5000]

Wonder how many pages this will have reached when the episode finally airs. We should start a pool.

[user123456789]

Wonder how many pages this will have reached when the episode finally airs. We should start a pool.

wouldn't it be fitting to be on our 100th page as the episode airs?

[avidreader]

man its at 75 pages and still got two weeks left......damn

another thing dunno if its been sed or not but in pic 27 of the reckoning caps it seems theres quite a few people there for the funeral....... and to me it seems there wouldnt be that many for lana or chloe or anyone else cept for maybe bo duke.... no?



okay now that ive looked at the rest of the caps i dunno..... **** is it two weeks yet

I saw that and was trying to make out who was there. Anyone capable of enlargening and sharpening the image?

I'm only up to page 47, you guys need to set your pages with more posts. :)

[Tron5000]

wouldn't it be fitting to be on our 100th page as the episode airs?

I think we could be well past that. After next week's episode, this thread is going to absolutely blow up.

[Zorex]

I have quite a few gay male friends, and every one of them wants to... um, well, lets just say the descriptions are a bit too graphic for this board. ;)
And then there are those of us who are inexplicably not sexually attracted to him.

:)

One thing is for certain...this episode is going to be packed to the brims :up:

[AgentPat]

And then there are those of us who are inexplicably not sexually attracted to him.;)

I totally understand. I think that inexplicable (good word, btw! :up: ) attraction kind of applies to a lot of the hetero male fans here, too.

I've had a similar experience with Grace Jones in the Conan movies and Tina Turner in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. I couldn't take my eyes off those ladies. Their charisma and presence just leapt off the screen, leaving my jaw hanging. I LOVE it when an actor or actress can do that to me. Of course, Welling has that ability in spades, but maybe it's just me?







http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/no.gif




Heh! Okay, well, maybe not.....

[KikiDee]

Jeeze!! One day. ONE FREAKIN' DAY!! I'm never leaving this board for more than 5 minutes ever again.



The hell? Time travel now? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/confused.gif

And that car just HAD to be red, didn't it? I swear... they better not.... ARGH!!!! :mad:

Didn't Lois get a lovely new Red Ford Fusion?

Duh, I'm a big dummy.....it's obviously an SUV. I'm just so confused :confused:

[JAX]

If you thought this thread was bad wait until one starts for the season finale :):up:

[avidreader]

;)

I totally understand. I think that inexplicable (good word, btw! :up: ) attraction kind of applies to a lot of the hetero male fans here, too.

I've had a similar experience with Grace Jones in the Conan movies and Tina Turner in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. I couldn't take my eyes off those ladies. Their charisma and presence just leapt off the screen, leaving my jaw hanging. I LOVE it when an actor or actress can do that to me. Of course, Welling has that ability in spades, but maybe it's just me?

No, its definitely not just you. You're not alone.

[triplet]

;) ....Their charisma and presence just leapt off the screen, leaving my jaw hanging. I LOVE it when an actor or actress can do that to me. Of course, Welling has that ability in spades, but maybe it's just me?







http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/no.gif




Heh! Okay, well, maybe not.....


LOL!

Not just you, babe. Definitely just not you... ;)

[JAX]

OLD NEWS....but for whats it worth:

CLARK MEETS A FEMALE AVENGER — Clark (Tom Welling) discovers the new reporter at the Daily Planet ? a bespectacled, bumbling woman named Maya (Denise Quinones, former “Miss Universe”) ? is actually a masked avenger who fights crime at night. Meanwhile, Clark’s bottled-up grief threatens to get the best of him. Kristin Kreuk, Michael Rosenbaum, Erica Durance, Allison Mack, John Glover, Annette O’Toole and John Schneider also star.

The airs after Reckoning...looks like every one stars....another spin by the WB . Do they have Bill O'Reilly running the show???

[triplet]

OLD NEWS....but for whats it worth:

CLARK MEETS A FEMALE AVENGER — Clark (Tom Welling) discovers the new reporter at the Daily Planet ? a bespectacled, bumbling woman named Maya (Denise Quinones, former “Miss Universe”) ? is actually a masked avenger who fights crime at night. Meanwhile, Clark’s bottled-up grief threatens to get the best of him. Kristin Kreuk, Michael Rosenbaum, Erica Durance, Allison Mack, John Glover, Annette O’Toole and John Schneider also star.

The airs after Reckoning...looks like every one stars....another spin by the WB . Do they have Bill O'Reilly running the show???


LOL! Maybe, but it might be contractually required for them to be mentioned for every episode even if they aren't in them. I know ED isn't in every episode but she's mentioned in every official episode description.

Whoever buys it may even still be in the credits post mortem because their contracts require it, but I guess we'll see.

[JAX]

LOL! Maybe, but it might be contractually required for them to be mentioned for every episode even if they aren't in them. I know ED isn't in every episode but she's mentioned in every official episode description.

Whoever buys it may even still be in the credits post mortem because their contracts require it, but I guess we'll see.

Yea, thats true

[Michael Corleone]

Um I know I'm jumping into the middle of this stuff, but I'm confused with the spoilers now. Everything seems a little muddled. Like the time traveling? I know this is sort of a big question but could someone shoot me a PM when they get the chance to sort all this stuff out? I'm sort of lost since the last time I read up on this stuff.

[JAX]

Um I know I'm jumping into the middle of this stuff, but I'm confused with the spoilers now. Everything seems a little muddled. Like the time traveling? I know this is sort of a big question but could someone shoot me a PM when they get the chance to sort all this stuff out? I'm sort of lost since the last time I read up on this stuff.

How long has it been since you read on it?

[Serene]

And then there are those of us who are inexplicably not sexually attracted to him.
Remind me why I like you so much again? ;)
Oh yeah.. I remember now. It's because you're a sweetheart. I like those. :)


Avid - Nice spec. I'm not sure about the reversing time thing..but hey, they did it in the movies when Supes saved Lois, so I guess it's not inconceivable that they'd do a SV-version of the same thing.

I still think it's very possible that Jonathan will somehow offer his lifeforce in exchange for Lana's (or Clark's since he would be offering too.) It would be his final lesson for Clark about self-sacrifice. Jonathan might know that his ticker doesn't have a lot of time left on it anyway.

Either that.. or Lana will just die. (%*#@&!)

I still have to wonder about Jor-El and his calling of the death. It seemed like the death would be as a result of Jor-El taking the pound of flesh to put mother nature back in order.. but in light of all the specs on any of the character's deaths.. none of them seem to fit that criteria. Jonathan's death sounds like it's either a result of his heart giving out, or him sacrificing himself. Lana's death would be the result of a Lex-related car accident.

So.. where (or, who?) is Jor-El's pound of flesh?

[avidreader]

^^^^ The only reason I put the time travel into it, is that even Craig has said that from what he knows that such an event may happen.

[Mike_D]

Bye Bye, Mike D--Dew

[AgentPat]

Okay, nothing overly "new" here, but I guess it bears noting. Here's the synop for Reckoning, as listed on TV-Now:

"Clark reveals his secret to Lana; Jonathan and Lex learn the results of the senatorial election; a car accident takes the life of someone Clark loves."

http://www.tv-now.com/stars/tomwell.html


Now, if I didn't know any better, I'd re-heeeeely have to wonder about this...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/reckoning.jpg

PS: The "Leaving Smallville, Come Back Soon" sign is just a leeeetle bit tacky, doncha think? LMAO!!!

[Spaceballs]

Okay, nothing overly "new" here, but I guess it bears noting. Here's the synop for Reckoning, as listed on TV-Now:
"Clark reveals his secret to Lana; Jonathan and Lex learn the
results of the senatorial election; a car accident takes the life of someone Clark loves."

http://www.tv-now.com/stars/tomwell.html
Now, if I didn't know any better, I'd re-heeeeely have to wonder about this...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/reckoning.jpg

PS: The "Leaving Smallville, Come Back Soon" sign is just a leeeetle bit tacky, doncha think? LMAO!!!

But this still does not answer a few things. Like it was said before if Jonathan dies of a simple Heart Attack then that is not Jor El causing the death. If Lex is the one that chases Lana off the road that is not the death from bringing Clark back to life. Maybe those Pictures of Jonathan & Lana at the FOS WAS intentionally leaked & they were just alternate Scenes shot to fool us ?

Either way we have 2 deaths according to spoilers that have NOTHING to do with the results of bringing Clark back to life

[avidreader]

I had noticed the sign but I didnt put the two together. I guess that really does mean that she'll be resurrected.

Good pick up Pat!

All I can say is poor Clark. First he has to deal with the love of his life dying, and then his father. Could things be any harder for the guy?

[Spaceballs]

But avi like I said these deaths are NOT results of the deal. Jonathans death is nature & Lanas death is Murder (if spoilers are true unintentional or not thats what Lex did) what death is the one Jor El warned Lex about ?

NONE of these 2


I dont think Jor El can see the Future & one of these 2 deaths are what he meant

[avidreader]

But avi like I said these deaths are NOT results of the deal. Jonathans death is nature & Lanas death is Murder (if spoilers are true unintentional or not thats what Lex did) what death is the one Jor El warned Lex about ?

NONE of these 2


I dont think Jor El can see the Future & one of these 2 deaths are what he meant

Well he did know that it was someone Clark loved, so I still think he thought it would be Jonathan, maybe he anticipated Lana's resurrection as well. I dunno, its all a bit mind boggling.

Did anyone notice in last night's episode that Lana said "I'll never know what it's like to come back from the dead".

Thought that was some interesting forshadowing. We're all speculating that she wont remember, but maybe she will.

[darkzombiemutt]

ok, so I havent been reading this lately, why do people think there will be a resurrection?

[triplet]

I had noticed the sign but I didnt put the two together. I guess that really does mean that she'll be resurrected.


Good pick up Pat!

I'm not sure that's what Pat meant, or at least I didn't get that, but that sign has to be there for a reason. After all, this is the first time we've seen it.



All I can say is poor Clark. First he has to deal with the love of his life dying, and then his father. Could things be any harder for the guy?

It will certainly suck to be Clark come January 26th, this is true. :( Poor baby. :(

Well he did know that it was someone Clark loved, so I still think he thought it would be Jonathan, maybe he anticipated Lana's resurrection as well. I dunno, its all a bit mind boggling.

Did anyone notice in last night's episode that Lana said "I'll never know what it's like to come back from the dead".

Thought that was some interesting forshadowing. We're all speculating that she wont remember, but maybe she will.


Wow. No, I didn't notice that really and I've seen it twice already.

Great catch and wonderful foreshadowing! :up:

I'm going to hate having to wait two weeks for Reckoning!

Why isn't it the 26th already? :(

[Serene]

^That's pretty much what I was trying to say in my earlier post, Spaceballs. But I guess we really don't know *exactly* how things are going to go down yet, so that could still be explained.

Interesting that they have a SV H.S. cheerleader present there for Lana's death. A aft-shadowing of Lana's past? :)

I assume she (and the guy) are from the school bus that Lana collided with.

[Spaceballs]

Also consider this guys & women. Would Clark WANT to go back in time, save Lana & experience his father dying AGAIN. Because when he goes back it didnt happen yet. I DOUBT Clark will want to go through that experience again when / if Jonathan DOES die from a heart attack. I can picture Jor El warning Clark "If you go back in time my son you will have to witness your father dying again & you will not be able to save him" or something like that

[avidreader]

I'm not sure that's what Pat meant, or at least I didn't get that, but that sign has to be there for a reason. After all, this is the first time we've seen it.

What meaning did you get from it?





It will certainly suck to be Clark come January 26th, this is true. :( Poor baby. :(

I'll be first in line to give him a hug, if he needs it. :)

Also consider this guys & women. Would Clark WANT to go back in time, save Lana & experience his father dying again because when he goes back it didnt happen yet. I DOUBT Clark will want to go through that experience again when / if Jonathan DOES die from a heart attack.

I think if Clark is able to alter the death of Lana, then Jonathan will die in a different time line.

[AgentPat]

I'm not sure that's what Pat meant, or at least I didn't get that, but that sign has to be there for a reason. After all, this is the first time we've seen it.No, Avid was correct. "Leaving SV, come back soon" is pretty blatant, AFAIC. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean "resurrection" per se, but it definitely implies that somebody... uh... um... Ack! Wait for it....

Returns.

:rolleyes: :p ;)

LOLOLOL!!!

[Spaceballs]

I honestly think Clark would not WANT to go back in time any way. Like I said if Jonathan does die of a heart attack & Clark goes back saves Lana Clark will still witness his father dying AGAIN & it will be even MORE painful for Clark because he KNOWS that even with all his Powers he can not save him.

[avidreader]

I honestly think Clark would not WANT to go back in time any way. Like I said if Jonathan does die of a heart attack & Clark goes back saves Lana Clark will still witness his father dying AGAIN & it will be even MORE painful for Clark because he KNOWS that even with all his Powers he can not save him.

I dont think he'll see Jonathan die twice. Although he will see two loved ones dying twice.

Remember these lessons are going to be hard for Clark, that was the point of it all.

[Spaceballs]

I dont think he'll see Jonathan die twice. Although he will see two loved ones dying twice.

Remember these lessons are going to be hard for Clark, that was the point of it all.

Why dont you think he will not see Jonathan die twice ? Clark is going BACK IN TIME BEFORE Jonathan dies & we dont know when these 2 events happen could be at the same time for all we know.

[Spaceballs]

& like I said before NONE of these deaths seem to be caused by resurrecting Clark

[avidreader]

Why dont you think he will not see Jonathan die twice ? Clark is going BACK IN TIME BEFORE Jonathan dies & we dont know when these 2 events happen could be at the same time for all we know.

I just think that as a consequence of changing events and saving Lana that this in turn will be what sets the chain of events to have Jonathan die instead.

Am I making sense? Or should I resort to Austin Power's theories on Time Travel?

[Spaceballs]

I just think that as a consequence of changing events and saving Lana that this in turn will be what sets the chain of events to have Jonathan die instead.

Am I making sense? Or should I resort to Austin Power's theories on Time Travel?

So your saying due to Clark going back in time saving Lana something else happens to Jonathan & he does NOT die because of a heart attack ? You can NOT change or stop a heart attack. You are suggesting that because Clark goes back in time that is what sets up the heart attack that is NOT possible. Jonathan dying at that time will happen no matter what. Clark is NOT Neo.

[triplet]

No, Avid was correct. "Leaving SV, come back soon" is pretty blatant, AFAIC. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean "resurrection" per se, but it definitely implies that somebody... uh... um... Ack! Wait for it....

Returns.

:rolleyes: :p ;)

LOLOLOL!!!

Oh, I don't know what I thought... nevermind. I'm in the middle of writing my review and surfing the forum at the same time. I'm flustered.

:D

[Spaceballs]

Oh, I don't know what I thought... nevermind. I'm in the middle of writing my review and surfing the forum at the same time. I'm flustered.

:D

(waits for muscles to beg triplet for a shout out)

[Spaceballs]

& also take note that if Jonathan DOES die because of Clark going back in time & saving Lana that is STILL NOT THE DEATH for bringing Clark back to life.

[The Incredible Hulk]

man I kind a regret going out to the boobie bar, I'm really out of the loop here :eek:

[Serene]

man I kind a regret going out to the boobie bar,

Suuure you do.
:hyper:

[triplet]

(waits for muscles to beg triplet for a shout out)

He'll always ask me, won't he?

LOL!

Gotta love him, however... he's our own adorable muscles.

:D

[triplet]

Suuure you do.
:hyper:

LOL!

You know he doesn't regret it at all.... :D

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/miss_j_bean/happybaby.jpg

you are soooo banned for posting that teet! :eek:

[Serene]

you are soooo banned for posting that teet! :eek:
Actually that's a picture of Hulk at the booby bar tonight. :D

Spy cameras are everywhere! :eek:

[The Incredible Hulk]

heh you guys need to get on YIM I'm in rare form.... :)

[Serene]

heh you guys need to get on YIM I'm in rare form.... :)
Apparently. :)

Rare.. can be good.. or bad.

Bad is often preferred. :D

[The Incredible Hulk]

Apparently. :)

Rare.. can be good.. or bad.

Bad is often preferred. :D

http://www.vidiot.com/Smallville/images/Smallville-204-1.jpg

[Serene]

^A perfect example of Bad being Good.

[Zorex]

OLD NEWS....but for whats it worth:

CLARK MEETS A FEMALE AVENGER — Clark (Tom Welling) discovers the new reporter at the Daily Planet ? a bespectacled, bumbling woman named Maya (Denise Quinones, former “Miss Universe”) ? is actually a masked avenger who fights crime at night. Meanwhile, Clark’s bottled-up grief threatens to get the best of him. Kristin Kreuk, Michael Rosenbaum, Erica Durance, Allison Mack, John Glover, Annette O’Toole and John Schneider also star.

The airs after Reckoning...looks like every one stars....another spin by the WB . Do they have Bill O'Reilly running the show???

Believe nothing. That's...pretty much the stance I'm taking :p
Remind me why I like you so much again? ;)
Oh yeah.. I remember now. It's because you're a sweetheart. I like those. :)

Suuure you do ;) :D

[Jay1/2Dub]

I've basically read this entire thread, and I'm confused lol. I'm hoping the death is either Jonathon or Chloe. I'm hoping it's not Lana for 2 reasons...
1. I love KK:)
2. Lana's death makes it seem as if Lois is second best in the future, and that just ain't right

[user123456789]

Did anyone notice in last night's episode that Lana said "I'll never know what it's like to come back from the dead".

Thought that was some interesting forshadowing. We're all speculating that she wont remember, but maybe she will.

whoaaa wait...

you mean clark tells lana, lana dies, gets resurrected, and DOESN'T REMEMBER ANYTHING?

[Pixiedust]

whoaaa wait...

you mean clark tells lana, lana dies, gets resurrected, and DOESN'T REMEMBER ANYTHING?

If they do the time reversal thing (and I'm really hoping they don't go there), it doesn't mean that it erases the reveal of his origins or the proposal. Time could turn back to just before the accident happens. Although like I said, I really don't want them to go there. If Lana dies in the accident, I hope she stays dead. I hope the pleading with Jor-el is for Jonathan's life, not Lana, and I hope it's Jonathan's life that is spared.

The only thing I would like with the time reversal thing if it happens with Lana is that I could then go into a certain thread and say their theory has been wrong all along. It's not Chloe who is really Lois. It's Lana. :D

That's another reason I am so against the time reversal thing if it happens with Lana. That is a classic Clois moment in Superman history and to repeat it with Lana just cheapens it, in my opinion. Lana is already being made out to be the love of Clark's life and that's just not true. I don't want it to seem that Clark ends up with Lois in the future by default because he couldn't have his precious Lana. And if Lana dies, I am afraid it will seem this way.

That's why I'm holding out hope that it will be Chloe who dies. Not that I really want her to die. I like Chloe and I don't know who would take her place as Clark's sidekick and confidante right now. But I still think he needs his dad and I don't want Lana to go from princess to saint. Besides, it just seems suspicious to me that Chloe hasn't been in any "official" death spoiler speculation and she is prominently featured in spoilers for the following eps. So let's just say I won't be surprised if there is a big twist and Chloe buys it. Not that I really look for that to happen.

It will probably be Jonathan and if Lana dies too I hope there is no resurrection for her.

[JAX]

SO what did I miss....all of the sudden I see "teets" being posted LOL...

AVID, I do see a lot of forshadowing in SV. Good call.

[user123456789]

If they do the time reversal thing (and I'm really hoping they don't go there), it doesn't mean that it erases the reveal of his origins or the proposal. Time could turn back to just before the accident happens. Although like I said, I really don't want them to go there. If Lana dies in the accident, I hope she stays dead. I hope the pleading with Jor-el is for Jonathan's life, not Lana, and I hope it's Jonathan's life that is spared.

The only thing I would like with the time reversal thing if it happens with Lana is that I could then go into a certain thread and say their theory has been wrong all along. It's not Chloe who is really Lois. It's Lana. :D

That's another reason I am so against the time reversal thing if it happens with Lana. That is a classic Clois moment in Superman history and to repeat it with Lana just cheapens it, in my opinion. Lana is already being made out to be the love of Clark's life and that's just not true. I don't want it to seem that Clark ends up with Lois in the future by default because he couldn't have his precious Lana. And if Lana dies, I am afraid it will seem this way.

That's why I'm holding out hope that it will be Chloe who dies. Not that I really want her to die. I like Chloe and I don't know who would take her place as Clark's sidekick and confidante right now. But I still think he needs his dad and I don't want Lana to go from princess to saint. Besides, it just seems suspicious to me that Chloe hasn't been in any "official" death spoiler speculation and she is prominently featured in spoilers for the following eps. So let's just say I won't be surprised if there is a big twist and Chloe buys it. Not that I really look for that to happen.

It will probably be Jonathan and if Lana dies too I hope there is no resurrection for her.

the spoiler pic of lana on phone -> lana car upside down -> lana bloody...

:eek::down:down:down:(

[Serene]

That's another reason I am so against the time reversal thing if it happens with Lana. That is a classic Clois moment in Superman history and to repeat it with Lana just cheapens it, in my opinion. Lana is already being made out to be the love of Clark's life and that's just not true. I don't want it to seem that Clark ends up with Lois in the future by default because he couldn't have his precious Lana. And if Lana dies, I am afraid it will seem this way.

I think it depends on how much value you place on those particular aspects of the mythology. In this telling of the tale, Lana IS the love of his life, so far at least.

We all have different expectations of this show. The range runs from those who have no clue about any of the previous Superman incarnations (my daughter and her friends fall into this category), all the way to those who know every detail of every Superman incarnation throughout history. I'm probable somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. Truly, I'm FINE with them changing whatever they want.. except for one thing, the unique essence of the greatest Superhero ever, alien-born and human raised. As long as they continue to capture that quality that takes my breath away as only a true "hero" can.. I'm pretty content.

So, I guess I just don't hold the show to the same expectations as those who are more bonded with the films or comic storylines.

It's all cool though. Plenty of room for all opinions. Well, except the die-hards.. but they're just crabby. :p


But I still think he needs his dad and I don't want Lana to go from princess to saint.
I never really got the Princess title, at least not since the first episode. An orphaned but independent girl working in a coffee shop and trying to find her way in life doesn't scream "Princess" to me. She is very beautiful, but I think all the women on that show are beautiful.

Besides, it just seems suspicious to me that Chloe hasn't been in any "official" death spoiler speculation and she is prominently featured in spoilers for the following eps. So let's just say I won't be surprised if there is a big twist and Chloe buys it.
I completely agree.

It will probably be Jonathan and if Lana dies too I hope there is no resurrection for her.
I'm more inclined to think that if she does indeed die, as opposed to just being critically injured, that she will be resurrected. The trailer and spoiler pics are just tooo obvious, if they were really going to kill her off. I mean, showing her crash, then laying there bloody, then Clark at a funeral? It's too much of a tease for her to be dead, or stay dead.

I'm more concerned about a potential mind-wipe of sorts. For him to finally tell her, and have her accept him.. then have everything reset back to square one with them? I may have to throw something really heavy at my TV if that happens.

[avidreader]

whoaaa wait...

you mean clark tells lana, lana dies, gets resurrected, and DOESN'T REMEMBER ANYTHING?

I seriously hope not, it would be a complete waste of 4 1/2 seasons if they take time back to before he told her and no progression what so ever. So lets hope that they're not that silly.

AVID, I do see a lot of forshadowing in SV. Good call.

I'm convinced that quote had some meaning behind it.

I think it depends on how much value you place on those particular aspects of the mythology. In this telling of the tale, Lana IS the love of his life, so far at least.

We all have different expectations of this show. The range runs from those who have no clue about any of the previous Superman incarnations (my daughter and her friends fall into this category), all the way to those who know every detail of every Superman incarnation throughout history. I'm probable somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. Truly, I'm FINE with them changing whatever they want.. except for one thing, the unique essence of the greatest Superhero ever, alien-born and human raised. As long as they continue to capture that quality that takes my breath away as only a true "hero" can.. I'm pretty content.

So, I guess I just don't hold the show to the same expectations as those who are more bonded with the films or comic storylines.

It's all cool though. Plenty of room for all opinions. Well, except the die-hards.. but they're just crabby. :p


Me too. :) :up:

[JAX]

I'm convinced that quote had some meaning behind it.


What I mean is that Smallville has forshadowed a lot in the past of things to come. I cant remeber any specific examples, but I know they've done it before.

[user123456789]

I seriously hope not, it would be a complete waste of 4 1/2 seasons if they take time back to before he told her and no progression what so ever. So lets hope that they're not that silly.

if this, or anything close to it, happens... i will seriously stop watching the show.

[Jay1/2Dub]

If they do the time reversal thing (and I'm really hoping they don't go there), it doesn't mean that it erases the reveal of his origins or the proposal. Time could turn back to just before the accident happens. Although like I said, I really don't want them to go there. If Lana dies in the accident, I hope she stays dead. I hope the pleading with Jor-el is for Jonathan's life, not Lana, and I hope it's Jonathan's life that is spared.

The only thing I would like with the time reversal thing if it happens with Lana is that I could then go into a certain thread and say their theory has been wrong all along. It's not Chloe who is really Lois. It's Lana. :D

That's another reason I am so against the time reversal thing if it happens with Lana. That is a classic Clois moment in Superman history and to repeat it with Lana just cheapens it, in my opinion. Lana is already being made out to be the love of Clark's life and that's just not true. I don't want it to seem that Clark ends up with Lois in the future by default because he couldn't have his precious Lana. And if Lana dies, I am afraid it will seem this way.

That's why I'm holding out hope that it will be Chloe who dies. Not that I really want her to die. I like Chloe and I don't know who would take her place as Clark's sidekick and confidante right now. But I still think he needs his dad and I don't want Lana to go from princess to saint. Besides, it just seems suspicious to me that Chloe hasn't been in any "official" death spoiler speculation and she is prominently featured in spoilers for the following eps. So let's just say I won't be surprised if there is a big twist and Chloe buys it. Not that I really look for that to happen.

It will probably be Jonathan and if Lana dies too I hope there is no resurrection for her.
Agreed 100% :up:

[The Caped Knight]

If they do the time reversal thing (and I'm really hoping they don't go there), it doesn't mean that it erases the reveal of his origins or the proposal. Time could turn back to just before the accident happens. Although like I said, I really don't want them to go there. If Lana dies in the accident, I hope she stays dead. I hope the pleading with Jor-el is for Jonathan's life, not Lana, and I hope it's Jonathan's life that is spared.

I hope so too .



The only thing I would like with the time reversal thing if it happens with Lana is that I could then go into a certain thread and say their theory has been wrong all along. It's not Chloe who is really Lois. It's Lana. :D

That's another reason I am so against the time reversal thing if it happens with Lana. That is a classic Clois moment in Superman history and to repeat it with Lana just cheapens it, in my opinion. Lana is already being made out to be the love of Clark's life and that's just not true.

I agree with you 100% Lana is not{ "the love of Clark's life"} Lois is . (Superman/Clark Kent in every incarnations (comics, film, TV, radio and more) always says That Lois is {"The love of his life"} .

I don't want it to seem that Clark ends up with Lois in the future by default because he couldn't have his precious Lana. And if Lana dies, I am afraid it will seem this way.

I hope it's not like that either . Lois & Clark should end up together in the future because they fell in love with each other & want to spend the rest of their live with each other .

[user123456789]

I hope so too .




I agree with you 100% Lana is not{ "the love of Clark's life"} Lois is . (Superman/Clark Kent in every incarnations (comics, film, TV, radio and more) always says That Lois is {"The love of his life"} .



I hope it's not like that either . Lois & Clark should end up together in the future because they fell in love with each other & want to spend the rest of their live with each other .

only way i would accept clark picking lois as second best, is if SV portrays Lana as CLARKS life-long love, and Lois as SUPERMANS life-long love.

[The Caped Knight]

only way i would accept clark picking lois as second best, is if SV portrays Lana as CLARKS life-long love, and Lois as SUPERMANS life-long love.


But that's just it, Lois is not second best, Lois is THE BEST Lana's NOT. I don't want it to be Clark picks Lois ( because she second best, because she not.) I want Clark to choose her because he realizes she The PREFECT WOMAN for him to spend the rest of his life with .

[triplet]

Lana is Clark's first love, not his soul mate. He hasn't found her (Lois) yet so he doesn't know what a love for someone who is your soul mate is like yet.

He has no idea that Lana isn't the one.

I don't think Clark having a serious romantic relationship with Lana now, even if she does die and isn't resurrected, is any danger to the true love he'll find later for Lois. It won't make Lois "a poor second" it won't invalidate the feelings he'll have for Lois in the future at all.

You can love more than one person, but I think in fiction there's only one soul mate. Lois is Clark's.

[Kane]

Soul mate? oh boy...

It'd be funny if Lois and Clark's marriage falls apart in the comics someday like the Dibneys recently did.

And can someone edit that tit out...it looks gross.

[user123456789]

But that's just it, Lois is not second best, Lois is THE BEST Lana's NOT. I don't want it to be Clark picks Lois ( because she second best, because she not.) I want Clark to choose her because he realizes she The PREFECT WOMAN for him to spend the rest of his life with .

nono... ack. my post came out wrong. ok it is obvious that in SV's reincarnation, we won't have a 'bumbling Clark.' Its going to be this Clark Kent + Superman.

For our beloved kryptonian, he has dual personalities, and somewhat dual lives in smallville. For Clark Kent of Smallville, Lana Lang is the love of his life. But when he becomes Superman aka HIMSELF, his true personality, the love of his life will be Lois. He would have moved on from Lana by then.

[triplet]

Soul mate? oh boy...

How would you describe their relationship? Yeah, he loves Lana now but it doesn't mean he won't really love Lois more later.

[The Incredible Hulk]

hell Lois is the love of MY life... I was pretty much drooling on myself during that scene at the end of Fanatic where she's standing in the kitchen talking to Martha....

[Mister J]

hell Lois is the love of MY life... I was pretty much drooling on myself during that scene at the end of Fanatic where she's standing in the kitchen talking to Martha....

lol

You're not alone, buddy. ED is hot.

[JackMercy]

hell Lois is the love of MY life... I was pretty much drooling on myself during that scene at the end of Fanatic where she's standing in the kitchen talking to Martha....

Join the club...

:up:

Except it was almost as exciting when she nabbed the psycho...


(sorry...)

;)

[Kane]

How would you describe their relationship? Yeah, he loves Lana now but it doesn't mean he won't really love Lois more later.

I'm not at liberty to say considering the present and future of Smallville is totally different than what we are used to. However, if you want some prespective on the relationship between these characters in the comics Id know what to say.....Clark didnt even love Lana in a romantic way in the comics, it was like the Clark/Chloe friendship.

But really...anything could happen here in the Smallville TV timeline.

[Kane]

hell Lois is the love of MY life... I was pretty much drooling on myself during that scene at the end of Fanatic where she's standing in the kitchen talking to Martha....

This thread has gone straight to hell.


I think when the episode is aired, someone should make a new Reckoning episode review thread.

[Serene]

Interesting..
From the WGN Chicago website:

Who will die in the 100th episode?

21.9%
Chloe (134 responses)

24.0%
Jonathan (147 responses)

32.8%
Lana (201 responses)

7.2%
Lionel (44 responses)

14.2%
Someone else (87 responses)

613 total responses

[AgentPat]

Lana is already being made out to be the love of Clark's life and that's just not true. I don't want it to seem that Clark ends up with Lois in the future by default because he couldn't have his precious Lana. And if Lana dies, I am afraid it will seem this way.Good point!! I have to agree here, 100%. In Blank, Chloe tells Clark that Lana is the "love of his life." The writers are TELLING the auidence this blatantly through the dialog. And Clark's actions around Lana reinforce that assertion. So if Lana dies, that removes her from the equation, and Clark has no other "choice" than to seek love elsewhere. That kinda sux, IMHO.

It does cheapen his eventual relationship with Lois, because he's spent two years around her as it is, and he's not even (apparently) attracted to her physically. In fact, he's annoyed by her very presence. For the purposes of entertainment, that makes for good drama. But when you look at the big picture, it really does start to come off as a "sloppy seconds" type scenario. Obviously, we'll have to see how it plays out, but if they ever do off Lana on SV, they should make it clear that she wouldn't have chosen to be with Clark - or that his feelings would have changed (as unimaginable as that might seem right now) - before her death. That would solve the "problem."

[user123456789]

Good point!! I have to agree here, 100%. In Blank, Chloe tells Clark that Lana is the "love of his life." The writers are TELLING the auidence this blatantly through the dialog. And Clark's actions around Lana reinforce that assertion. So if Lana dies, that removes her from the equation, and Clark has no other "choice" than to seek love elsewhere. That kinda sux, IMHO.

It does cheapen his eventual relationship with Lois, because he's spent two years around her as it is, and he's not even (apparently) attracted to her physically. In fact, he's annoyed by her very presence. For the purposes of entertainment, that makes for good drama. But when you look at the big picture, it really does start to come off as a "sloppy seconds" type scenario. Obviously, we'll have to see how it plays out, but if they ever do off Lana on SV, they should make it clear that she wouldn't have chosen to be with Clark - or that his feelings would have changed (as unimaginable as that might seem right now) - before her death. That would solve the "problem."

i would agree 100% with you, except i dont see the Clark we have now and the Superman/Clark we will get in the future to be the same person.

When chloe says lana is the love of his life, she is 100% correct. Lana is Smallville's Clark's love. However, IMO when he becomes Superman IN THIS SHOW, he will become a totally different entity, different person, different everything, and Lois will be the love of Supermans life.

[Spaceballs]

Good point!! I have to agree here, 100%. In Blank, Chloe tells Clark that Lana is the "love of his life." The writers are TELLING the auidence this blatantly through the dialog. And Clark's actions around Lana reinforce that assertion. So if Lana dies, that removes her from the equation, and Clark has no other "choice" than to seek love elsewhere. That kinda sux, IMHO.

It does cheapen his eventual relationship with Lois, because he's spent two years around her as it is, and he's not even (apparently) attracted to her physically. In fact, he's annoyed by her very presence. For the purposes of entertainment, that makes for good drama. But when you look at the big picture, it really does start to come off as a "sloppy seconds" type scenario. Obviously, we'll have to see how it plays out, but if they ever do off Lana on SV, they should make it clear that she wouldn't have chosen to be with Clark - or that his feelings would have changed (as unimaginable as that might seem right now) - before her death. That would solve the "problem."

I believe when Clark first met Lois he told Lana how he was annoyed of Lois & Lana replied with "Thats how the best ones always start, turn out to be at first" or something similiar to that

[Serene]

That would solve the "problem."
"Problem?" I don't see a problem. :confused:

:p :D

[user123456789]

I believe when Clark first met Lois he told Lana how he was annoyed of Lois & Lana replied with "Thats how the best ones always start, turn out to be at first" or something similiar to that

That line was excellent IMO. It really engaged the fans as to who Clarks destined love really is. I still enjoy all the CLANA, except it would be 100x better if they showed Lois starting to have feelings for Clark, while he's in a relationship with Lana.

[Spaceballs]

That line was excellent IMO. It really engaged the fans as to who Clarks destined love really is. I still enjoy all the CLANA, except it would be 100x better if they showed Lois starting to have feelings for Clark, while he's in a relationship with Lana.

Since you guys use this word alot who knows maybe that can also be "FORESHADOWING" maybe the writers always planned for something to happen to Lana & while Clark is doing his best to get over the fact Lana dies Lois is one of the ones that try comforting Clark ? She was there when Alicia died. Who knows might be the same thing here. Key word here is "FORESHADOWING" Lois was at the scene where Clark found Alicia dead & Lois turns up where Lana dies but this time Lois sticks around to help Clark.

[AgentPat]

i would agree 100% with you, except i dont see the Clark we have now and the Superman/Clark we will get in the future to be the same person.

When chloe says lana is the love of his life, she is 100% correct. Lana is Smallville's Clark's love. However, IMO when he becomes Superman IN THIS SHOW, he will become a totally different entity, different person, different everything, and Lois will be the love of Supermans life.Well yeah, I know that. It would be nice to have just a leeeetle nod here and there though. For example, I absolutely LOVED Blank, but I try not to think too deeply about what was implied in that ep. Clark was completely stripped of all his knowledge about who and what he is, and who he can and can't trust. He's left to "trust his gut." He's so enamored with Lana when he first sees her, he incinerates a table lamp at the talon (LOL). His gut feeling with Lois is that "we don't like each other all that much." :mad: That really peeved me. If Lois is to be the eventual love of Clark's life, there should be *something* about her NOW that intrigues him. Something. Anything!

We know why Lois will fall for Superman. That's obvious. Even if SV's Lois KNOWS Clark is Superman, we know how she will act when she first sees him "do his thing" AS Superman. The writers made that clear in Aqua. But Clark isn't even interested in Chloe, and if ANYBODY acts like a young Lois Lane, it's Chloe. So what in tarnation is going to get Clark to "notice" Lois? Her martial arts skills? Oh wait, Lana knows that too. :rolleyes: :p

Meh. It's just a pet peeve, that's all. Lois can break Clark's chops till dooms' day - that's what she does - but Clark falls for Lois. HARD! Like Lex and his eventual evil personification, that shouldn't be a light switch. There SHOULD be some build up to it. JMHO.

[Kane]

Well yeah, I know that. It would be nice to have just a leeeetle nod here and there though. For example, I absolutely LOVED Blank, but I try not to think too deeply about what was implied in that ep. Clark was completely stripped of all his knowledge about who and what he is, and who he can and can't trust. He's left to "trust his gut." He's so enamored with Lana when he first sees her, he incinerates a table lamp at the talon (LOL). His gut feeling with Lois is that "we don't like each other all that much." :mad: That really peeved me. If Lois is to be the eventual love of Clark's life, there should be *something* about her NOW that intrigues him. Something. Anything!

We know why Lois will fall for Superman. That's obvious. Even if SV's Lois KNOWS Clark is Superman, we know how she will act when she first sees him "do his thing" AS Superman. The writers made that clear in Aqua. But Clark isn't even interested in Chloe, and if ANYBODY acts like a young Lois Lane, it's Chloe. So what in tarnation is going to get Clark to "notice" Lois? Her martial arts skills? Oh wait, Lana knows that too. :rolleyes: :p

Meh. It's just a pet peeve, that's all. Lois can break Clark's chops till dooms' day - that's what she does - but Clark falls for Lois. HARD! Like Lex and his eventual evil personification, that shouldn't be a light switch. There SHOULD be some build up to it. JMHO.

Youre overanalysing. We may not even see a real explanation for why Clark and Lois end up together.....the series finale is supposed to end with him putting on the suit right? Well thats when he makes his first appearance and Lois is attracted to him....they dont start to have a relationship till years later.....we may never see the complexities involved in their future relationship.

[Spaceballs]

Youre overanalysing. We may not even see a real explanation for why Clark and Lois end up together.....the series finale is supposed to end with him putting on the suit right? Well thats when he makes his first appearance and Lois is attracted to him....they dont start to have a relationship till years later.....we may never see the complexities involved in their future relationship.

There is also that. Unless of course Lois finds out his secret in Smallville & she realises all the things Clark has done. But if Lana dies shortly after finding out Clarks secret Clark would want to be damn sure to let no one else find out :p

[user123456789]

But Clark isn't even interested in Chloe, and if ANYBODY acts like a young Lois Lane, it's Chloe. So what in tarnation is going to get Clark to "notice" Lois? Her martial arts skills? Oh wait, Lana knows that too. :rolleyes: :p


I never thought of it like that. And your right.

[AgentPat]

Youre overanalysing. We may not even see a real explanation for why Clark and Lois end up together.....the series finale is supposed to end with him putting on the suit right? Well thats when he makes his first appearance and Lois is attracted to him....they dont start to have a relationship till years later.....we may never see the complexities involved in their future relationship.LMAO!!! *I'm* overanalyzing? Hehehehehe. Too funny, especially coming from you, Crisis. No offense intended. ;)

Uhkay, I can see your point, but at the same time, I think the writers would be doing the audience a disservice to NOT explain what it is about Lois that will eventually make her the love of Clark's life - or as some folks here like to say, his "soulmate." Outside of the comics, it's never really been addressed. Clark just falls for Lois at the Planet. But SV has changed that history - and I'm TOTALLY FINE with that - but it does complicate things a bit, as Pixie pointed out.

I LOVE how Lois and Clark bust each other's chops on SV. It's VERY entertaining, and truth be told, in hindsight, I wouldn't have it any other way. But other than that one throwaway line in Gone, where Lana tells Clark "the good ones always start out that way," there hasn't been one single demonstrable event that would indicate Clark has any attraction to Lois, and vice versa. Lois has BAD dreams about men in red capes (Commencement.) It's totally funny, but what's that say? She has ZERO attraction to him physically (Crusade, Gone, Devoted, etc.) and she's very much aware of who HIS love is (Spirit, Commencement, Arrival, Aqua). And as far as Clark is concerned, Lois exasperates him. He was so "exhausted" by her in Fanatic, he flopped down on Lana's bed, completely whooped. Kinda funny for a guy who "rescues people from burning buildings and stops nuclear missiles in between doing farm chores before dinner." LOL :p

[Serene]

Yeah, but Pat.. all those examples you've cited above of Clark getting so annoyed by Lois *are* proof of how much she affects him. Maybe not in the way she will in the future, but I think there is a lot to be read in the way that she brings things out in him that no one else does. Lana's words were very prophetic, purposely so, but I think they have much farther reaching implications than first realized.

And you know how much I hate to admit that. ;)

[user123456789]

Yeah, but Pat.. all those examples you've cited above of Clark getting so annoyed by Lois *are* proof of how much she affects him. Maybe not in the way she will in the future, but I think there is a lot to be read in the way that she brings things out in him that no one else does. Lana's words were very prophetic, purposely so, but I think they have much farther reaching implications than first realized.

And you know how much I hate to admit that. ;)

i think we all have not been readin in between the lines

(thats me agreeing with u serene)

[AgentPat]

Yeah, but Pat.. all those examples you've cited above of Clark getting so annoyed by Lois *are* proof of how much she affects him. Maybe not in the way she will in the future, but I think there is a lot to be read in the way that she brings things out in him that no one else does. Lana's words were very prophetic, purposely so, but I think they have much farther reaching implications than first realized.Eh. Yes and no. LOTS of things effect Clark. Some good. Some bad.

Okay, TMI moment: One of my coworkers in a former job was The. Most. Annoying. Man. I EVER worked with. Stuck up. Rude. Condescending. Sound familiar? But gosh darn, he and a cute arse. LOL Perhaps a bad example, but I'm just trying to make a point. Just because another character is getting to Cark in an annoying way, it shouldn't necessarily be assumed she will become his soulmate. UNLESS, the writers throw us a bone. I've merely been waiting for the bone, that's all. Color me impatient, but don't sweat it. I'm sure it'll be covered at some point in the future.

[user123456789]

wats TMI mean?

[Thunder Emperor]

my God what has been going on in here, now lana is the likely candidate. i saw the trailer and i think she kicks the bucket. damn

[jas01724]

I love this. All of the evidence from the official trailers and previews points to anyone BUT Jonathan, or any of the other more obvious candidates.

Unofficial evidence, on the other hand ...

[mellyM]

I LOVE how Lois and Clark bust each other's chops on SV. It's VERY entertaining, and truth be told, in hindsight, I wouldn't have it any other way. But other than that one throwaway line in Gone, where Lana tells Clark "the good ones always start out that way," there hasn't been one single demonstrable event that would indicate Clark has any attraction to Lois, and vice versa. Lois has BAD dreams about men in red capes (Commencement.) It's totally funny, but what's that say? She has ZERO attraction to him physically (Crusade, Gone, Devoted, etc.) and she's very much aware of who HIS love is (Spirit, Commencement, Arrival, Aqua). And as far as Clark is concerned, Lois exasperates him. He was so "exhausted" by her in Fanatic, he flopped down on Lana's bed, completely whooped. Kinda funny for a guy who "rescues people from burning buildings and stops nuclear missiles in between doing farm chores before dinner." LOL :p
I guess its perception too, because I can definitely see Clark being attracted to her on SV, though subtle, but I still think its there. I'd go on but its kind of off topic anyway..and I'm dead tired...I probably shouldn't have said anything at all really, lol.

[Super_Ludacris]

pfft@ the WB allowing this to happen to Kristin Kreuk

[Red]

pfft@ the WB allowing this to happen to Kristin Kreuk

what to happen to her?

[Super_Ludacris]

Saying if Lana was to die and subsequently leave the show as it's looking like, just to appease some idiots on a couple of message boards

[rumpuso]

I guess its perception too, because I can definitely see Clark being attracted to her on SV, though subtle, but I still think its there.
That's how I see it too. The attraction is there, even though they both are irritated by it and eachother.

[The Incredible Hulk]

It does cheapen his eventual relationship with Lois, because he's spent two years around her as it is, and he's not even (apparently) attracted to her physically. In fact, he's annoyed by her very presence. For the purposes of entertainment, that makes for good drama. But when you look at the big picture, it really does start to come off as a "sloppy seconds" type scenario. "

That's not true at all. You want to hear something really personal and kind of embarrassing? My wife babysat me once :eek: (She's only 4 years older than me BTW) She was in my life when I was about 10 but I never thought anything of her until I was about 22. I dont think she's not the "love of my life" because it took me 12 years to be attracted to her. Circumstances and feelings change over time. Either that or I'm just slow :(

[Kane]

Thats...wow. A interesting story to tell ur kids.

[avidreader]

That's not true at all. You want to hear something really personal and kind of embarrassing? My wife babysat me once :eek: (She's only 4 years older than me BTW) She was in my life when I was about 10 but I never thought anything of her until I was about 22. I dont think she's not the "love of my life" because it took me 12 years to be attracted to her. Circumstances and feelings change over time. Either that or I'm just slow :(

And our lovable, adorable Clark is also slow in some ways, according to some. :D

What was that look that Clark gave Lois coming down the stairs in
Spirit? It was a gulp that implied "whoa you're hot baby". Looked like foreshadowing to me, if only a subtle one.

In Hidden on Clark's deathbed Lana gave us an insight into why she wont stay with Clark. She wont be able to handle his lifestyle. She'll constantly be worrying about him. She needs someone to be there for her all the time. That doesnt make her selfish, it makes her honest and courageous because she realises Clark is meant for bigger things, like saving the world on a daily basis. She wont be able to deal with that. Lois will.

Clark will move on from Lana because he knows that he has this responsibility to the world and she wont be able to be the one at his side. They'll have their bittersweet ending like we've been led to believe.



***********

I dont think Lana's going to die in this episode. It's just being implied that way.

I think the Lex/Lana conversation and the car accident will be part of the teaser. In the first Act we'll have Clark begging Jor-el for help and then everything will be reset and all of the images that we've seen will then be played out as time reset.

[AgentPat]

Aight, I had a feeling I'd see quite a bit of disagreement on the Lois/Clark interaction. Hey, that's cool. In a way, it means something is "working" between the characters that's being conveyed to the audience, but the writers don't want to hit us over the head with it. That in itself is funny since the Superman references ARE pretty blatant at times LOL.

My only reason for bringing any of this up was because I was in agreement with Pixie. If there was *ever* a reason to NOT off Lana, this is it. She's been set up since day one - or rather since Clark was five - as the girl of his dreams. The one (he believes) he's meant to be with. His soulmate, and all that jazz. Since the story is fiction, it's open to interpretation, but if Lana were to die, Clark is left with little choice but to move on. The show is replete with fate-based decisions; "I didn't have a choice" is practically Clark's mantra LOL. I just think the story would be better if Lana lets Clark go because she knows he's too important to the world. It's more bittersweet that way than just offing her character so Clark has no other choice than to find love elsewhere.

wats TMI mean?LOL TMI: Too much information. ;)

I love this. All of the evidence from the official trailers and previews points to anyone BUT Jonathan, or any of the other more obvious candidates.

Unofficial evidence, on the other hand ...Good point. Most people on this board know with a great deal of certainty (thanks Mr. Schneider! [waves] ;) ) that Jonathan does indeed die in this ep, and more than likely stays that way. But posters to an Internet board are a pretty small minority compared to the overall audience, most of whom probably have no clue whatsoever. The ratings grabber would be to make people think it was Lana. And really, when you watch those trailers, that's what they insinuate.

[avidreader]

My only reason for bringing any of this up was because I was in agreement with Pixie. If there was *ever* a reason to NOT off Lana, this is it. She's been set up since day one - or rather since Clark was five - as the girl of his dreams. The one (he believes) he's meant to be with. His soulmate, and all that jazz. Since the story is fiction, it's open to interpretation, but if Lana were to die, Clark is left with little choice but to move on. The show is replete with fate-based decisions; "I didn't have a choice" is practically Clark's mantra LOL. I just think the story would be better if Lana lets Clark go because she knows he's too important to the world. It's more bittersweet that way than just offing her character so Clark has no other choice than to find love elsewhere.

I happen to agree with you 100% on that point. See my post above. ;)

[AgentPat]

I happen to agree with you 100% on that point. See my post above. ;)Yeah. Saw it after I posted my reply. Great minds...

;)

[Kane]

I dont think Lana's going to die in this episode. It's just being implied that way.


Obviously Lana wont die. The fact that they seem to be trying to make it seem that shes dying probably means she wont.

We all know whos going to die....I still hate the fact that hes going to go like this :down but thats what theyre doing...

After the whole publicity picture leak, and the mistake on John S' website when someone accidently leaked the truth....its pretty damn obvious that

Jonathan Kent IS going to die.:down

I dont even see the point of guessing other characters at this stage. It will be John and Lionel

[Kaboom]

whoa....what mistake did i mss on john's website?

[jas01724]

The ratings grabber would be to make people think it was Lana. And really, when you watch those trailers, that's what they insinuate.Oh absolutely, that's exactly what they want people to think. And if it weren't for those "meaningless" little pictures, and JS' subsequent faux pas, there would be nothing but blind speculation to suggest otherwise.

This promotional sweep will have been planned for a long time. A certain leak very nearly wrecked it.

[Kaboom]

again...what mistake am i missing!!!!

[triplet]

again...what mistake am i missing!!!!

John S. had put up a notice on his site (http://www.johnschneider.tv/index.php) that Pa Kent was going to die and he thanked his fans for their support but that he was okay with it, He said the episode was terrific, etc... etc...

Only a few hours later, the message was pulled and this was put up instead:

I appreciate everyone's concern about the "Smallville" rumors but need to strongly reprimand whoever posted todays newsletter regarding the future of my character. In fact, I have read several scripts with Jonathan Kent in them and have no evidence of his demise.

Also... Please don't email anyone at The WB about this as they are busy preparing a fantastic second part of the season for us all.

Again... Rumors are just that and shouldn't be taken too seriously. And please don't write to Mr. Janollari. He is a big fan of not only the show but of mine as well. A great guy!

[Kaboom]

triplet you are awesome...thanks for the info.....unfortunate but as long as its written well and not completely forgotten i can deal.

[The Caped Knight]

Lana is Clark's first love, not his soul mate. He hasn't found her (Lois) yet so he doesn't know what a love for someone who is your soul mate is like yet.

He has no idea that Lana isn't the one.

I understand that part, Lana is Clark's First love {Just like Gwen Stacy was Peter Parker's first love}. Ok you have a point their , It's true clark hasn't found his soulmate yet , so he still doesn't know What "True Love" means. (i'm not saying that he & lana don't love each other, but it not "true love" it just a normal love life (for typical teenagers).



I don't think Clark having a serious romantic relationship with Lana now, even if she does die and isn't resurrected, is any danger to the true love he'll find later for Lois. It won't make Lois "a poor second" it won't invalidate the feelings he'll have for Lois in the future at all.

Well I'm glad to hear you say that. I feel more at peace .

You can love more than one person, but I think in fiction there's only one soul mate. Lois is Clark's.

It's true you can love more than one preson(Their are many different forms of love), (just like I love my Parents & my brothers & sisters.) but I don't love my girlfriend the same way as I love my parents .

So true Lois is Clark's Soulmate . :supes:

[The Caped Knight]

nono... ack. my post came out wrong. ok it is obvious that in SV's reincarnation, we won't have a 'bumbling Clark.' Its going to be this Clark Kent + Superman.


So you think {SV version}of Clark won't be "The bumbling Reporter" by the time he becomes SUPERMAN ? Intresting.

For our beloved kryptonian, he has dual personalities, and somewhat dual lives in smallville. For Clark Kent of Smallville, Lana Lang is the love of his life. But when he becomes Superman aka HIMSELF, his true personality, the love of his life will be Lois. He would have moved on from Lana by then.

I agree with you 100 % .

[triplet]

triplet you are awesome...thanks for the info.....

You're welcome... If you go back like a week or so, you can probably find the text of the original message. Someone had posted it in this thread, but I think that was like 500 or 600 posts ago.. :D

...unfortunate but as long as its written well and not completely forgotten i can deal.

I have no doubt it will be handled well. JS's original message basically said that so feel assured.

[AgentPat]

So you think {SV version}of Clark won't be "The bumbling Reporter" by the time he becomes SUPERMAN ? Intresting.I'm not boyscouT, but count me in the group that would rather NOT see SV's version of Clark go "goofy." I wasn't a huge fan of L&C, but I liked that they didn't go the Reeve route with making Clark a "bumbling" reporter. I always felt such a characterization draws MORE attention to Clark, and that's not something he'd want to do. If he's going to maintain two identities, Clark Kent should just be farmboyesque and unassuming in the big city. Superman will act like he is when he's "SuperClark" in Smallville. LOL

That said, I think they ARE going in the "bumbling" direction. We have Lois' comments from Commencement, and with Vengeance around the corner, I think we're gonna see how and why Clark chooses to don yet another facade. From an acting POV, I'm sure they'll have fun with that. It will also give them the opportunity to stretch their acting chops, something they don't always get the chance to do unless the characters are on something, possessed, or swap bodies with somebody else. LOL

[The Caped Knight]

Uhkay, I can see your point, but at the same time, I think the writers would be doing the audience a disservice to NOT explain what it is about Lois that will eventually make her the love of Clark's life - or as some folks here like to say, his "soulmate." Outside of the comics, it's never really been addressed. Clark just falls for Lois at the Planet. But SV has changed that history - and I'm TOTALLY FINE with that - but it does complicate things a bit, as Pixie pointed out.

I agree with you Pat, I too would love to know Why Clark Kent fell in love with Lois Lane . I know the reason {SUPERMAN fell in love with Lois} that's been explained many times in The comics, animated series & L&C .

I LOVE how Lois and Clark bust each other's chops on SV. It's VERY entertaining, and truth be told, in hindsight, I wouldn't have it any other way.

Yeah it's very entertaining. almost every girl that meets Clark Kent in smallville falls for him. But Lois is the only one that would look at him (say he look great) but is an Idoit. Lois is the only one that can bust Clark's Chops and he likes it (to a certain degree) .



But other than that one throwaway line in Gone, where Lana tells Clark "the good ones always start out that way," there hasn't been one single demonstrable event that would indicate Clark has any attraction to Lois, and vice versa.

Well, Lois had shown a little attraction to Clark while {he was Kal-EL} in "Cursade" When she saw he stark naked in the corn field {and got her first look at "Clark Jr." she also showed one at The Hospital When Kal-EL picked her up & moved her out of the door way. she also show some in every episode she been in. {it's not Major, But it's their}

Clark has shown a little attraction to Lois too. he just been trying so hard not to show it, but it their {It's been their from the first day they met & it's growing} .


Lois has BAD dreams about men in red capes (Commencement.) It's totally funny, but what's that say?

She having Dreams about her Future Husband.


She has ZERO attraction to him physically (Crusade, Gone, Devoted, etc.)

I wouldn't say that they both share an attraction for each other (just not a Romantic one yet.) their releationship right now is a Hate/Love releationship in which they can stand being around each other . But at the same time they find they work together alot and make a really good team .


and she's very much aware of who HIS love is (Spirit, Commencement, Arrival, Aqua).

At this point in Lois's life she see's Clark Kent as an idoit . Who she couldn't care less who he's dating . right now he's not her Man or SUPERMAN, he just an idoit farmboy with a Super Hero complex.

And as far as Clark is concerned, Lois exasperates him. He was so "exhausted" by her in Fanatic, he flopped down on Lana's bed, completely whooped. Kinda funny for a guy who "rescues people from burning buildings and stops nuclear missiles in between doing farm chores before dinner." LOL :p

lol.

hell Lois is the love of MY life... I was pretty much drooling on myself during that scene at the end of Fanatic where she's standing in the kitchen talking to Martha....

lol, I love Lois too .:supes:

[The Caped Knight]

I'm not boyscouT, but count me in the group that would rather NOT see SV's version of Clark go "goofy." I wasn't a huge fan of L&C, but I liked that they didn't go the Reeve route with making Clark a "bumbling" reporter. I always felt such a characterization draws MORE attention to Clark, and that's not something he'd want to do. If he's going to maintain two identities, Clark Kent should just be farmboyesque and unassuming in the big city. Superman will act like he is when he's "SuperClark" in Smallville. LOL

That said, I think they ARE going in the "bumbling" direction. We have Lois' comments from Commencement, and with Vengeance around the corner, I think we're gonna see how and why Clark chooses to don yet another facade. From an acting POV, I'm sure they'll have fun with that. It will also give them the opportunity to stretch their acting chops, something they don't always get the chance to do unless the characters are on something, possessed, or swap bodies with somebody else. LOL

I agree, I prefer The Hard bold Ace Reporter Clark Kent more so than The "Bumbling idoit" too . (L&C) ,(STAS), & (Post Crisis comics) Reporter Clark Kent was really the best version of Clark as a reporter. Clark didn't stand out, but he wasn't an idoit, he was bold when he had to be.

[mellyM]

That said, I think they ARE going in the "bumbling" direction. We have Lois' comments from Commencement, and with Vengeance around the corner, I think we're gonna see how and why Clark chooses to don yet another facade. From an acting POV, I'm sure they'll have fun with that. It will also give them the opportunity to stretch their acting chops, something they don't always get the chance to do unless the characters are on something, possessed, or swap bodies with somebody else. LOL
But we're not actually going to get to that point on Smallvile, we won't get to see Clark working as a reporter, bumbling or otherwise at the Daily Planet, or him being Superman, maybe just a glimpse at the end...or am I missing your point completely?

[Serene]

In Hidden on Clark's deathbed Lana gave us an insight into why she wont stay with Clark. She wont be able to handle his lifestyle. She'll constantly be worrying about him. She needs someone to be there for her all the time. That doesnt make her selfish, it makes her honest and courageous because she realises Clark is meant for bigger things, like saving the world on a daily basis. She wont be able to deal with that. Lois will.
I agree. I think she wants a stability in her life that Clark won't be able to give her once he embraces his destiny. It's something they'll both realize. Her entire life of losing the people she cared about: her parents, Whitney, her bio father, even Nell, has brought her to a place of wanting someone who will not leave her, or keep her in a constant state of worrying about him. Kinda rules out Clark/:supes: .

Personally, as a fan of the character, whatever path they take her down after her and Clark end it, I hope they leave them as lifelong friends.

I wouldn't be surprised if we got a hint about Lana hooking up with Pete at the very end of this series. Maybe a random line about him coming to visit family...

[Squatlow]

Not that it probably matters at this point, but I am surprised that none of you have mentioned it yet.

At the end of "Hidden", Jor-El uses the phrase "someone you love" in predicting the upcoming death we all dread. Yet in the trailer at the end of "Fanatic", Jor-El uses the phrase "someone you know". Maybe just more smoke and mirrors (is that the same as 'obfuscation'? :D) by WB, but I was shocked out of a jet-lagged stupor when I heard the change of phrase.

Anyone care to Tivo and check my facts?

And of course, ultimate question is; does it really matter at this juncture in the space/time continuum. BTW, if there is time travel in this ep, I'd guess it will be Jor-El induced rather than Clark flying (running?) backwards in excess of the posted universal speed limit...

[avidreader]

I just listened to all the trailers I've got and I didnt notice or hear that.

[Squatlow]

I just listened to all the trailers I've got and I didnt notice or hear that.

Actually, I was pretty jet-lagged and so I apologize for confusing things.

Having said that, I did hear it but it wasn't in the trailer attached to "Fanatic"...

In the "Previously on Smallville" section at the beginning of "Fanatic" Jor-El used the phrase "close to you" or words to that effect. Whatever words he used did not include the words "someone you love".

So, maybe someone could Tivo that and comment.

Again, sorry for the confusion; it was a long week (back and forth to Europe as I travel a good bit in my job).

I sometimes get all cornfuzzellated when I try to intransigate my exoverbiage as regards the exceed of a modern jet aircraft.

know whut ah mean vern...? :D

[avidreader]

Squatlow, I've lived with one of those for many years, so I know where you're coming from.;)

I'll have to check out that "Previously on Smallville" later.

[KalKai]

Squatlow there was no change, he says both things in Hidden. "The life of someone close to you will be exchanged for yours." (Hidden, Fanatic and in ALL the other trailers). The "someone you love" comes later "The life force that has been returned to you will soon be taken from.. someone you love."

[JAX]

Squatlow there was no change, he says both things in Hidden. "The life of someone close to you will be exchanged for yours." (Hidden, Fanatic and in ALL the other trailers). The "someone you love" comes later "The life force that has been returned to you will soon be taken from.. someone you love."

Thats a point I brought up....a couple of pages back. Its just to add more confusion.

As for the Lana dying... Look, I'm sorry but Lana Lang will not be killed off the show. Not single out anyone....they wont kill her character b/c of fans on a message board. The show caters to the 18-24 audiance which probably seem to relate more to LANA/CHLOE/CLARK/LEX. Although I am in denial about Jonathan Kent.....let's get serious here people; he posted it on his site. How much more proof do we need? Whether it was taken down or not it was there...I highly doubt it was a mistake.

My bets on Pa Kent and either Lionel or sheriff.

[Jay1/2Dub]

Aight, I had a feeling I'd see quite a bit of disagreement on the Lois/Clark interaction. Hey, that's cool. In a way, it means something is "working" between the characters that's being conveyed to the audience, but the writers don't want to hit us over the head with it. That in itself is funny since the Superman references ARE pretty blatant at times LOL.

My only reason for bringing any of this up was because I was in agreement with Pixie. If there was *ever* a reason to NOT off Lana, this is it. She's been set up since day one - or rather since Clark was five - as the girl of his dreams. The one (he believes) he's meant to be with. His soulmate, and all that jazz. Since the story is fiction, it's open to interpretation, but if Lana were to die, Clark is left with little choice but to move on. The show is replete with fate-based decisions; "I didn't have a choice" is practically Clark's mantra LOL. I just think the story would be better if Lana lets Clark go because she knows he's too important to the world. It's more bittersweet that way than just offing her character so Clark has no other choice than to find love elsewhere.

LOL TMI: Too much information. ;)

Good point. Most people on this board know with a great deal of certainty (thanks Mr. Schneider! [waves] ;) ) that Jonathan does indeed die in this ep, and more than likely stays that way. But posters to an Internet board are a pretty small minority compared to the overall audience, most of whom probably have no clue whatsoever. The ratings grabber would be to make people think it was Lana. And really, when you watch those trailers, that's what they insinuate.

Again, I agree 100% :o :up:

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Well yeah, I know that. It would be nice to have just a leeeetle nod here and there though. For example, I absolutely LOVED Blank, but I try not to think too deeply about what was implied in that ep. Clark was completely stripped of all his knowledge about who and what he is, and who he can and can't trust. He's left to "trust his gut." He's so enamored with Lana when he first sees her, he incinerates a table lamp at the talon (LOL). His gut feeling with Lois is that "we don't like each other all that much." :mad: That really peeved me. If Lois is to be the eventual love of Clark's life, there should be *something* about her NOW that intrigues him. Something. Anything!



Well just the fact that he gets annoyed with her and irritated by her says a lot. Lana's phrase of "The best ones always start like that" or something to that effect is true. One of my great and more meaning loves started like that. She was a neighbour which funny enough had lived in the building all her life and I never seen her until that day and then suddenly I started bumping on her all the time, to the point it was really annoying and irritating. And I didn't like it one bit because I was afraid she might think I was stalking her or worse that I was interested in her. Then one day I commented the whole situation with a friend and the fact that I was running in to her all the time and in alot of places and he said "I think you're in love..." and I'm like "no, no, no, I'm just pissed off with this situation and I don't want her to think I'm stalking her when I fact I'm as annoyed as she probably is with this !" and he's "You're in love, Ricardo's in love !"
Well turns out that after some time I did realize I was in love. So it's strange how love works sometimes...

[JAX]

Again, I agree 100% :o :up:

AgentPat is always full of wisdom :up:.

Whatever is done in ep 100, I hope is done in a tasteful manner. I hope G&M do the show in a way that will cater to both the internet and general audiance.

[user123456789]

So you think {SV version}of Clark won't be "The bumbling Reporter" by the time he becomes SUPERMAN ? Intresting.

Yea. I dont have time now, but i'll watch every single commentary on each season dvd and see if i can show some evidence as to which direction Al & Miles are going.

[user123456789]

this is from a poster at k-site forums..

IMO Jonathan will simply ask Jor El to exchange his life for Lana. Jor El may have accepted Lana's unexpected death as payment in full but Jonathan will want to keep his deal with Jor El and be the one that dies. Clark will have still learned a lesson. That he can't save everyone.

post by PKII

I think he hit the money right here.

[JAX]

this is from a poster at k-site forums..

IMO Jonathan will simply ask Jor El to exchange his life for Lana. Jor El may have accepted Lana's unexpected death as payment in full but Jonathan will want to keep his deal with Jor El and be the one that dies. Clark will have still learned a lesson. That he can't save everyone.

post by PKII

I think he hit the money right here.

Good idea, but I just dont think they'll have Jor-El be God-like

[Squatlow]

Squatlow there was no change, he says both things in Hidden. "The life of someone close to you will be exchanged for yours." (Hidden, Fanatic and in ALL the other trailers). The "someone you love" comes later "The life force that has been returned to you will soon be taken from.. someone you love."

Ah so, desu ka! Thanks for the clarification.

Nonetheless;

It got me thinking. Which is somethink I try to avoid now and then...
:D

[user123456789]

Good idea, but I just dont think they'll have Jor-El be God-like

but certainly its in the realm of possibilities after seeing Jor-El's god-like actions in Hidden.

[Tron5000]

Nobody knows what Jor-El will do next. That crazy Jor-El...Nothing he can do would surprise me. Maybe he'll exchange his own life force.

[Caliber]

It looks like its going to be his dad but I think its the only person that would make the deal work.

[avidreader]

It looks like its going to be his dad but I think its the only person that would make the deal work.

Now that's an interesting thought. Maybe that's why Jor-el agrees to help Clark resurrect Lana.

Jonathan made the deal back in Exile that he would do anything for Clark and this is why Jor-el was able to bring Clark back.

[avidreader]

Holy **** :eek: You guys need to go here right now, its in another language but its pretty easy to tell where to download. All I can say is, its awesome!

http://www.smallville-hero.com/

[KalKai]

I remember that site, it had the first trailer of the Season 5 Premiere before K-Site, DTS etc.

[KalKai]

Nice music lol, loved it.

[KalKai]

OMFG, Lex saw him.. it's the END OMG.

[avidreader]

That scene is different to the way we've seen it in the trailer that aired on TV. In the one on TV Clark runs up saying no, no, no.... and then we have Jonathan trying to hold him back.

I wonder what the heck is going on.

Lex looks more stunned to see Clark coming out of nowhere than what's just happened.

[AgentPat]

Wow. Just, WOW!! That RULED!!!!

I liked the music too, but that probably won't be the same track played in the actual episode. Those scenes were edited together, both with missing sections, so the soundtrack was probably just for the trailer. Awesome job though. Day-um!!!

And yeah, Lex SEES Clark, in a MAJOR way. This is gonna be interesting. I just hope they don't have to go to the time travel well to "correct" it at the end.


....Unless the accident happens in a bad dream or something?



Nah. ...Gosh, I hope not. LOL

[avidreader]

My son said the music was from Lord of the Rings, so I assume they wont be using that.

I've never done this before, so I hope it works.

http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2YUHF3JC23SKQ0NV36U4PNPVC6

[triplet]

OMG! That's frickin' awesome!

I can't wait for this episode to air!

[AgentPat]

My son said the music was from Lord of the Rings, so I assume they wont be using that.Yeah, didn't think so. Those two scenes were HEAVILY edited.

[NHawk19]

woo hoo post 2000 this thread cant be stopped.

and that trailer looks frickin awesome