Vengeance Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[KalKai]

Discuss. :D

[avidreader]

Discuss. :D

This is Episode 5.13, after 5.12 (100). Someone is going to seek revenge on whoever died in Episode 12.

[Serene]

This is Episode 5.13, after 5.12 (100). Someone is going to seek revenge on whoever died in Episode 12.

Hopefully it'll be Clark. We can always use some Angry Clark.

Knowing SV, they'll be more than one person seeking vengeance. I say it's Clark and Lex.

[RakuMon]

Vengeance?!
A Bruce Wayne episode?!!
:eek: ;) :D

[avidreader]

Hopefully it'll be Clark. We can always use some Angry Clark.

Knowing SV, they'll be more than one person seeking vengeance. I say it's Clark and Lex.

Clark on Lex for Jor-el
Lex on Clark for Lionel

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Clark going after Lex for being in directly responsible for killing Jonathen (they are running mates) & or Chloe

Lex going after Clark just cause hes had it & is sick of knowing Clark is lying to him

or this could be the big

Clark VS Braniac

[Triligors]

Clark blaming Lex, and Lex blaming Clark? Doesn't make sense.

Jonathon dies because of something having to do with Lex. Remember the bombing incident when Lex wants to do anything to beat Jonathon in the election?

Betting the death is a step in that direction and a complete shattered relationship between Luthor and the Man of Steel

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Or this could be a WHOLE NEW THING with the other dude / dudeette that dies. Remember there are more then One deaths. So this does NOT necessary mean the Vengence will be Clark getting ticked & I do NOT think Lex KILLING his running mate will help him. Fine & Clark has PLENTY of dirt on Lex. Clark will WANT the town to know. Lex would loose his place any way if he KILLED his Running Mate & you'd bet Fine would have proof if that happened. If Lex did kill Jonathen to get him out of the way itd be for nothing. So I think story wise Lex killing Jonathen to win the Election in the Long Run won't be that worth it.

[avidreader]

If Lana does find out Clark's secret in Reckoning then maybe its her vengeance on Clark for not telling her. Or she could be peeved at him for her parents.
I hope not, but maybe.

[triplet]

Maybe it's not Lex that kills Jonathan, but that chick that's hot on him in Fanatic....

Craig's spoilers on Fanatic alluded to a goal that the girl will have that he didn't want to spoil. I'm thinking she might kill Lex's rival to prove her love for him.

But who knows....

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I am 99 % sure Jonathen will NOT be the one to bite it at least not the Jor El death. It would be waste of a great Character & Lex & Clark are still on talking Terms after this Episode (if you follow Spoilers) so it can't be Jonathen's death.

[avidreader]

Maybe it's not Lex that kills Jonathan, but that chick that's hot on him in Fanatic....

Craig's spoilers on Fanatic alluded to a goal that the girl will have that he didn't want to spoil. I'm thinking she might kill Lex's rival to prove her love for him.

But who knows....

I really dont want Jonathan to die yet.

[triplet]

Like I said, who knows....

I hope the spoilers don't reveal who dies. I want to be surprised.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Maybe it's not Lex that kills Jonathan, but that chick that's hot on him in Fanatic....

Craig's spoilers on Fanatic alluded to a goal that the girl will have that he didn't want to spoil. I'm thinking she might kill Lex's rival to prove her love for him.

But who knows....

That will STILL NOT WORK because Clark will find out through Chloe or Fine that that girl has a thing for Lex & Clark will put 2 & 2 together. Clark & Lex are still talking to Each Other in future Episodes so Lex or anyone Close to Lex can NOT be responsible because Clark will be just ticked at Lex.

[avidreader]

Like I said, who knows....

I hope the spoilers don't reveal who dies. I want to be surprised.

Well we could get someone else to read them first, and if it says who dies then they can tell us, cause I dont want to know either.

[triplet]

Who do think would volunteer for that?

Well, I'm not sure Craig would reveal that part anyway. He's alluded to things he didn't want to spoil in his spoilers and that's a pretty big spoiler.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Spoiling is Spoiling. If he does not want to spoil then he should NOT be in the Spoiling business PERIOD.

[triplet]

He's selective about what he spoils....

[GinaRenee]

The real question is not whether Craig would spoil it, but whether TPTB would allow the information to leak out. If it's revealed in the casting sides, other sites will spoil it whether Craig does or not.

[triplet]

Very true....

[Serene]

You know.. I don't want to know either. I hope it's not posted on any of the sites, because I'm afraid it's inevitable to run across it then.

[Mike_D]

FOOLS!!!

Alicia Baker comes back as a zombie and seeks out the sand-guy at the Asylum.

Duh.

[Triligors]

Still on talking terms?

It's kind of like the Joker and Batman talking now, or Supes talking to evil Lex than the old Lex and Clark relationship. Lex definitely screwed himself over, Clark has gone to Fine to help Fine "destroy" Lex. Because Clark now knows what Lex is all about. This was shown in the end of Aqua.

[Max]

I think it's Lionel. If you've noticed, Lionel has barely been featured this season - only sporatic scenes here and there. Lionel isn't needed as much in SV as his presence has essentially served its purpose - corrupting Lex. Don't get me wrong, I love John Glover. I just don't know if there's anymore use for his character in SV.

However, that does bring up the "someone you love," dilemma. Pretty sure Clark isn't loving Lionel so much.

[tonytr1687]

You guys are jumping the gun on Lex being all-evil. Granted he left Aquaman without water but I don't really think he thot it would kill him. Murdering someone like Chloe or Jonathan who he's known for years is still a little beyond him at this point.

[avidreader]

I think it's Lionel. If you've noticed, Lionel has barely been featured this season - only sporatic scenes here and there. Lionel isn't needed as much in SV as his presence has essentially served its purpose - corrupting Lex. Don't get me wrong, I love John Glover. I just don't know if there's anymore use for his character in SV.

However, that does bring up the "someone you love," dilemma. Pretty sure Clark isn't loving Lionel so much.

But Lionel is harbouring Jor-el and I guess its reasonable to assume that Clark loves Jor-el. Despite their relationship to date.

[Max]

But Lionel is harbouring Jor-el and I guess its reasonable to assume that Clark loves Jor-el. Despite their relationship to date.

Yeah, I thought of that too, Avid. I'm just not sure the writers want to part with Jor-el yet. I still think it's going to be Lionel. I don't see it being Jonathan (not yet) or Chloe (she's too popular). If the title of the episode is Vengeance, I don't see Clark seeking revenge, but Lex - definitely.

[avidreader]

They might want to move on to a more physical presence in the FOS though, and Lara could take over that possie very nicely.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

They might want to move on to a more physical presence in the FOS though, and Lara could take over that possie very nicely.

That's an interesting theory. But there's still something that doesn't quite fit in. Clark should be able to "see" or hear Jor-El in his holograms during his training which hasn't even started yet, so I'm really having a tough time swallowing the fact that they might want to part ways with Terence Stamp which has been such a cool thing for the series.
Lara would be cool nonetheless. Can we find out who did her voice in the Memoria episode ?
I really doubt it will be Jonathan since John has a contract for every episode in this season. Maybe Lionel and that could be another or the ultimate thing that drives Lex completly into the darkside.

[Red X]

I think it's Lionel. If you've noticed, Lionel has barely been featured this season - only sporatic scenes here and there. Lionel isn't needed as much in SV as his presence has essentially served its purpose - corrupting Lex. Don't get me wrong, I love John Glover. I just don't know if there's anymore use for his character in SV.

However, that does bring up the "someone you love," dilemma. Pretty sure Clark isn't loving Lionel so much.

agreed.

maybe pete comes back...then er dies :confused:

[Triligors]

My bet is still on Jonathon. It's inevitable that he's going to die, so I think he'll just unfortunately die now.

And jumping the gun on Lex being evil?

He is evil. Lex made a deal with convicted felons that he set up from the getgo in order to find out if Clark is or is not super human- even if it meant harming others in the process! Lex also tortured Aqua and Clark saved Aqua from dieing- didn't you notice how his skin was kinda turning blue and withering away? Aquaman only has a limited amount of time he can stay on land, Lex noticed this yet did nothing about it. If Clark hadn't come in time, bye bye AC. Thus, in the end of the episode Clark tells Fine that he wants to help him "destroy" Lex which will definitely shatter their relationship and will be evident in tonights episode.

[NHawk19]

Meh could be Brainiac's vengence on Clark for whatever he does at the FOS

[mellyM]

But Lionel is harbouring Jor-el and I guess its reasonable to assume that Clark loves Jor-el. Despite their relationship to date.
I don't think Jor-El needs anyone to exist, he just used Lionel so he could physically get to Clark, much like he used Jonathan to heal Clark in Talisman. I wouldn't be surprised if they killed both fathers, hell it may even be Martha, and I seriously hope its not Chloe..I'm so not going to be able to resist any sides if they are released.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Meh could be Brainiac's vengence on Clark for whatever he does at the FOS

Braniac gets Clark to DESTROY the FOS. What would Braniac have against Clark ?

[Triligors]

Destroy the FOS? I don't think so, but might work- kind of like Fine destroying Clark's possible history of Krypton so that he wouldn't learn anything....?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

That is what Spoilers say for the Episode Martha gets that Krypton Disease. Fine tells Clark Jor El is responsible for Martha getting the disease & somehow Fine is able to convince Clark to destroy it. All on K-Site. So we should see a LITTLE Destruction before Clark figures out whats really going on

[tonytr1687]

My bet is still on Jonathon. It's inevitable that he's going to die, so I think he'll just unfortunately die now.

And jumping the gun on Lex being evil?

He is evil. Lex made a deal with convicted felons that he set up from the getgo in order to find out if Clark is or is not super human- even if it meant harming others in the process! Lex also tortured Aqua and Clark saved Aqua from dieing- didn't you notice how his skin was kinda turning blue and withering away? Aquaman only has a limited amount of time he can stay on land, Lex noticed this yet did nothing about it. If Clark hadn't come in time, bye bye AC. Thus, in the end of the episode Clark tells Fine that he wants to help him "destroy" Lex which will definitely shatter their relationship and will be evident in tonights episode.

The only thing Lex knew about AC was that he could breathe under water. And yes he did set up all that to test Clark, but I don't think he knew Lana would be there and especially not his parents. And even if he did he was convinced of Clark enough that he thought he would save them. But I kinda half-agree with you in that Lex is pretty much evil, just not enough to kill someone yet. And this is exactly why I feel the writers have rushed his full transformation. It wasn't long ago that he 'didn't want anyone to get hurt' like in Sacred or Forever, and now all of a sudden he doesn't care about human life to an extent? What gives?

And another thing, can someone tell me where in Aqua did Lex see AC breathe under water?

[The Incredible Hulk]

he saw him check out the Leviathan machine on the video on his computer. He stopped it in slow mo and you could see A.C.'s face.

[Triligors]

Well, I was seeing AC right there and it was obvious that he was getting very sick just by looking at his skin color and Lex knows of meteor freaks- so he could have thought that's what AC could have been. But, Lex was there watching AC become dry- similar to how a fish can't survive on land. So, that means Lex was going to kill AC.

And maybe not whole evil yet, but Clark doesn't seem likely to even be on friendly speaking terms with Lex anymore. Now it will be just like "yeah, I'm only talking to you because it deals with something bigger than you." He went to Fine litterally saying, "I'll help you bring Lex down."

[avidreader]

The only thing Lex knew about AC was that he could breathe under water. And yes he did set up all that to test Clark, but I don't think he knew Lana would be there and especially not his parents. And even if he did he was convinced of Clark enough that he thought he would save them. But I kinda half-agree with you in that Lex is pretty much evil, just not enough to kill someone yet. And this is exactly why I feel the writers have rushed his full transformation. It wasn't long ago that he 'didn't want anyone to get hurt' like in Sacred or Forever, and now all of a sudden he doesn't care about human life to an extent? What gives?

And another thing, can someone tell me where in Aqua did Lex see AC breathe under water?

That was almost a year ago, and he now is sick to death of everyone keeping things from him. He assumes its because he's Lex Luthor and cant be trusted. So in my opinion he is conducting himself in the way that people see him, he just doesnt care any more. He'll get what he wants regardless.

[tonytr1687]

he saw him check out the Leviathan machine on the video on his computer. He stopped it in slow mo and you could see A.C.'s face.

What scene was that?

[triplet]

What scene was that?

Just before Clark and Aquadude came in for their confrontation with him, I believe....

He closed the laptop to hide from them what he was looking at, I guess.

[KalKai]

New Spoilers Revealed 11/3/05:

- Chloe is present in these spoilers; however, don't assume that ANY spoilers beyond the previous episode ensure safety for your favorite character. We have learned that some false information can and will be disseminated. Beyond that, we do find it a bit odd that the casting sides for the episode mention nothing of a character death. TPTB may be on to us. Although... the Daily Planet connection here is pretty intricate, so maybe it DOES mean Chloe is safe.

But I Thought Clark Hated Masks?
- Clark puts on a pantyhose mask and pretends to mug Chloe, in order to get the attention of a local vigilante. The ruse works. The vigilante shows up and pounces, spinning the "mugger" off of Chloe. The vigilante is described as a masked, leather-clad heroine. There's a fight, and Clark pulls the mask off of her.. revealing Maya. Chloe and Clark recognize her, and are rocked.

As The Anvil Turns
- Maya turns into her "civilian identity" in a phone booth outside of the Daily Planet. Chloe asks her about this, and Maya says that the bathroom was taken. Chloe comments about how different Maya looks with her hair in a scrunchie and a pair of glasses. Chloe then asks Maya for an exclusive interview, promising not to reveal her true identity. Funny how Chloe takes all of these Lois Lane-like mannerisms all the time. "Trust me, she's great at keeping secrets," Clark tells Maya. Maya ends up striding to her desk, which implies she's an employee at the Daily Planet. Clark and Chloe follow her there, and there's a meteor rock on her desk. Chloe tries to keep it away from Clark. We learn that a meteor rock once saved Maya's life.

The Origin of Maya
- Six months previous, Maya and her mother were stabbed. She needed a heart transplant, and nearly died. The person who ended up becoming her heart donor, was in Smallville and died during the second meteor shower. Somehow the meteors must have affected the heart, which gave Maya special powers.
- Maya's mother wasn't so lucky. She had passed away. But her mom had worked a lot to give to the community and help people, as a social worker, which inspired Maya in many ways. "The day she died I lost my hero," Maya said.

Costume Fun
- Later, Clark asks why Maya takes her costume everywhere, and doesn't wear it everywhere she goes. "It bunches up. Makes me look fat," she tells him. He also asks her why she wears a mask and black leather, and she asks if he'd rather suggest primary colors and a cape.
- "So who are you really? The mild-mannered reporter or the dark avenger?" Clark asks. Batman anvil!
- Clark and Maya definitely have different approaches to crime fighting.

[avidreader]

It sounds like a good episode. This new character sounds like a cross between batgirl/wonderwoman/superman/clark kent.

[Mike_D]

Well...I guess that answers the "chloe will die in episode 100" dilema.

[avidreader]

I've seen some sides that Clark is after someone who stole his watch. There is speculation that the watch was given to him by whoever died in 5.12.

[DarthSkywalker]

This doesn't make any sense. This does not sound like fall out at all. Also watch out for Chloe to possible be replaced with Lois in these scenes, if this is true.

[Zorex]

well....so there's a chance Chloe may not die in 5.10........but yeah, she could possibly be replaced by Lois. but still.....I really really hope it stays Chloe.

[Triligors]

Name replacement? I don't think so because Lois has no connection to the Daily Planet other than that her cousin works there. Kill Chloe, kill Daily Planet. That's why I don't think it's her that dies. These spoilers just go to prove that.

Anyways. This episode is going to be GREAT, there's ALOT of references. Such as changing in a telephone booth- lol, never expected that to show up at some point. The dark avenger/knight reference as well as the funny line: Clark also asks her why she wears a mask and black leather, and she asks if he'd rather suggest primary colors and a cape. (kind of reminds me of the X-Men dialouge: What? Would you prefer to wear yellow spandex?).

Also, I think this probably is a DC hero and the name Maya is just covering it up. Gough and Millar said to expect more hero cameos this season, which means more than one (Aquaman) and I'm betting this is it. Anyways, it sounds like a 'cameo' episode. It has 1. Clark not trusting hero, 2. Clark and hero have differences in methods and learn something from each other, 3. Clark and hero part ways the same and have references to various things of the DC universe. I don't know, but this is the pattern of a cameo episode, and kryptonsites "might possibly be a codeword" I think is correct. It's under wraps who it is, films often do this. While Begins was filming I think they called it Fear or something, usually happens on certain episodes. Is there any other heroine in the universe or is it only Wonder Woman?

[avidreader]

Anyways. This episode is going to be GREAT, there's ALOT of references. Such as changing in a telephone booth- lol, never expected that to show up at some point.



Hmmm.... Season 3 Exile. Clark is in a phone booth and rips his shirt open, revealing an S on his chest. Well it was an 8, but same thing. ;)

[Triligors]

Well, I know and recognized that. But, I mean it's almost a direct reference.

Going into a telephone booth and changing into a costume. That's a little more than just going into a telephone booth and ripping a shirt off.

Also, Chloe's line of "Chloe comments about how different Maya looks with her hair in a scrunchie and a pair of glasses" is going to be classic as well because Clark takes on a very similar method of alternate personas. Glasses on: CK, Glasses Off: It's Superman!

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Chloe is present in these spoilers; however, don't assume that ANY spoilers beyond the previous episode ensure safety for your favorite character. We have learned that some false information can and will be disseminated.

Keep this in mind when getting all excited that Chloe isn't going to bite it, guys. Don't trust anything until the episode airs.

Anyway, I think that Lex went overboard for no apparent reason this year. I can understand him starting along the path that will eventually lead him to darkness, but he seems to be like, right on the doorstep sometimes. The writers, I think, need to figure out exactly where Lex stands at this point and WHY he stands there.

I'm also confused as to why we have a discussion thread for this episode when it isn't airing until Feburary?

[DarthSkywalker]

Name replacement? I don't think so because Lois has no connection to the Daily Planet other than that her cousin works there. Kill Chloe, kill Daily Planet. That's why I don't think it's her that dies. These spoilers just go to prove that.

Anyways. This episode is going to be GREAT, there's ALOT of references. Such as changing in a telephone booth- lol, never expected that to show up at some point. The dark avenger/knight reference as well as the funny line: Clark also asks her why she wears a mask and black leather, and she asks if he'd rather suggest primary colors and a cape. (kind of reminds me of the X-Men dialouge: What? Would you prefer to wear yellow spandex?).

Also, I think this probably is a DC hero and the name Maya is just covering it up. Gough and Millar said to expect more hero cameos this season, which means more than one (Aquaman) and I'm betting this is it. Anyways, it sounds like a 'cameo' episode. It has 1. Clark not trusting hero, 2. Clark and hero have differences in methods and learn something from each other, 3. Clark and hero part ways the same and have references to various things of the DC universe. I don't know, but this is the pattern of a cameo episode, and kryptonsites "might possibly be a codeword" I think is correct. It's under wraps who it is, films often do this. While Begins was filming I think they called it Fear or something, usually happens on certain episodes. Is there any other heroine in the universe or is it only Wonder Woman?

Unless of course Lois makes a connection to the Plant in soon. That or Chloe sort of puts her over for the editor before she dies.

[Serene]

I'm also confused as to why we have a discussion thread for this episode when it isn't airing until Feburary?

It's what we do.

[avidreader]

....and we have spoilers for it, so we discuss.

[KikiDee]

Well, I know and recognized that. But, I mean it's almost a direct reference.

Going into a telephone booth and changing into a costume. That's a little more than just going into a telephone booth and ripping a shirt off.

Also, Chloe's line of "Chloe comments about how different Maya looks with her hair in a scrunchie and a pair of glasses" is going to be classic as well because Clark takes on a very similar method of alternate personas. Glasses on: CK, Glasses Off: It's Superman!

Hmmm so does Wonder Woman.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Jedi Master]

i think clark is gonna be so mad, and end up in some industrial city, and run into a rich boy, and then soon they fight, and u see alfred running after them saying, Master Bruce its best if you dont fight any bloody tourist's, we dont want to ruin your fathers name. :) :) :)

[Serene]

Ask Ausiello at TVGuide.com (www.tvguide.com) has this to say:

Question: [Bleep] some Smallville poop on [bleep]. You know you want to. — Matt

Ausiello: This just in: I'm banning all poop references from AA, effective immediately. That's right, we're going back to scoop. (You ruined it for everyone, Matt. Happy?) Now, regarding Smallville, a friend of a friend's former girlfriend's second cousin once removed is going in to test for the role of "Maya, an Avenging Angel." She'll be introduced in Episode 13 and is described as being "in her early twenties, drop-dead gorgeous and has similar powers as Clark — and she's Latina!" Sounds like Wonder Woman to me.

Nothing new..I guess he could be getting his scoop right off of K-Site.

[The Incredible Hulk]

totally forgot about this episode and thread

[Brainiac 8]

totally forgot about this episode and thread

The question is, what of this information from this episode can we trust as fact or fabrication.

To be honest, I'm not sure what to think of this episode yet.

[avidreader]

The question is, what of this information from this episode can we trust as fact or fabrication.

To be honest, I'm not sure what to think of this episode yet.

I think the story outline is probably somewhat true, but I have to say that I think all of the dialogue and script spoilers we've seen are probably bogus.

[Brainiac 8]

I think the story outline is probably somewhat true, but I have to say that I think all of the dialogue and script spoilers we've seen are probably bogus.

I agree with you, I'm sure the overall story is correct. But as far as the characters involved, diaogue, that sort of thing I bet are not real. Those type of things would be easy to change once the big 100 is done.:)

[avidreader]

From Ksite

CLARK MEETS A FEMALE AVENGER — Clark (Tom Welling) discovers the new reporter at the Daily Planet, a bespectacled, bumbling woman named Maya (Denise Quinones, former “Miss Universe”), is actually a masked avenger who fights crime at night. Meanwhile, Clark’s bottled-up grief threatens to get the best of him. Kristin Kreuk, Michael Rosenbaum, Erica Durance, Allison Mack, John Glover, Annette O’Toole and John Schneider also star. Al Septien & Turi Meyer wrote the episode directed by Jeannot Swarc (#2T6413).

Clark's bottled up grief gets the best of him. Sounds sad. :(

[Spaceballs]

Anyone notice

and John Schneider also star.

[avidreader]

Anyone notice

and John Schneider also star.

Yeah I noticed. They're all listed though.

[KalKai]

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9083/vengposter7gn.jpg

[AgentPat]

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9083/vengposter7gn.jpg
WOW!!!!!!!! :eek:

Holy spin-off potential, Batman. That picture puts Aquaman to shame. I SOOOO hope they don't kill off her character at the end of the ep. If Chloe doesn't survive Reckoning, I want THAT character to become Clark's new "friend." LOL :D :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

WOW!!!!!!!! :eek:

Holy spin-off potential, Batman. That picture puts Aquaman to shame. I SOOOO hope they don't kill off her character at the end of the ep. If Chloe doesn't survive Reckoning, I want THAT character to become Clark's new "friend." LOL :D :up:
let the "Dark Angel ripoff" comments begin....

http://static.flickr.com/22/28697991_01954dd9be.jpg

or better yet Underworld maybe?

http://www.filmfanzine.com/data/images/underworld%20poster%20beckingsaleOrig.jpg


and for the love of god can they STOP airbrushing Welling's face in those and making him look feminine? It barely even looks like him...

[AgentPat]

Hee! Well, truth be told, I thought "Underworld" too. But this ep isn't about vampires or werewolves, so we're good. LOL

Never watched Dark Angel, but I heard about it. Did it do well in the ratings? Might explain some things. ;)

[triplet]

Hee! Well, truth be told, I thought "Underworld" too. But this ep isn't about vampires or werewolves, so we're good. LOL

Never watched Dark Angel, but I heard about it. Did it do well in the ratings? Might explain some things. ;)

It didn't do great, it started out well I think but it only lasted two seasons.

Personally, I only saw the Pilot and wasnt' interested enough in it to watch any more.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Unless my memory is deceaving me, wasn't a girl of similar looks and with Superman type powers working for Lex in the Lex Luthor: Man Of Steel series ?

[Serene]

WOW!!!!!!!! :eek:

Holy spin-off potential, Batman. That picture puts Aquaman to shame. I SOOOO hope they don't kill off her character at the end of the ep. If Chloe doesn't survive Reckoning, I want THAT character to become Clark's new "friend." LOL :D :up:

Funny you should say that. :)

If they don't kill her off, perhaps they are thinking spin-off. It's been nagging me since I first read the spoilers of this ep, and now seeing that poster, I know why. This SO much reminds me of the last season of Highlander, where they were only contracted for 13 eps (half a normal season) and 6 of those eps were for potential "spin-off girls." Truthfully, it was a sad and sucky final season, but it did end up with a phenomenal series finale.

[cheungcheung]

or birds of prey....

http://www.birdsofpreyonline.com/gallery/ascott/BP01_ASCT13d.jpg

[Spaceballs]

That Chick in the Poster with the Costume directly

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9083/vengposter7gn.jpg

reminds me of

http://img428.imageshack.us/img428/4343/20020404ccyb23ku.jpg

http://img428.imageshack.us/img428/2152/20020513ccyb17wv.jpg

Only without the Metal Hand thingy, Sword & for those who dont know these Pictures are from the WITCHBLADE Series

[JAX]

totally forgot about this episode and thread

Im still stuck in the Reckoning thread. I'm not sure if I'm ready to move on.

[Kal-El 8]

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9083/vengposter7gn.jpg



:eek: Wow she looks Hot . :up: :up:

[Spaceballs]

I can almost bet she finds out or comes very close to finding out Clarks Secret before Lana during their encounters

[triplet]

I can almost bet she finds out or comes very close to finding out Clarks Secret before Lana during their encounters

Seeing how Lana finds out about Clark's powers in the episode that airs before this one, I think that is unlikely.

[Spaceballs]

Seeing how Lana finds out about Clark's powers in the episode that airs before this one, I think that is unlikely.

Well she PROBABLY finds out. I dunno this doesnt seem like a throw away Character. Would be nice to have someone give Clark a run for his Money

[triplet]

Well she PROBABLY finds out. I dunno this doesnt seem like a throw away Character. Would be nice to have someone give Clark a run for his Money

She "probably" finds out?

I guess we'll see, but I still find your theory unlikely because of the spoilery images that have come out from Reckoning.

[Jay1/2Dub]

She is definitely hott... I hope this episode actually deals with Clark's grief more than how they've done so with similar situations in the past.

Oh yeah triplet, when's your review going to be up at chloesite??

[triplet]

She is definitely hott... I hope this episode actually deals with Clark's grief more than how they've done so with similar situations in the past.

Oh yeah triplet, when's your review going to be up at chloesite??

I sent it to Craig last night and he didn't say when he'd get it put up. However, he's probably still fretting over the server problems for the forums so it could take a day or two to get that up.

[Jay1/2Dub]

Coolbeans!! :)

[The Incredible Hulk]

:eek: Wow she looks Hot . :up: :up:

yeah a former Ms. Universe tends to be that way :up:

[AgentPat]

:eek: Wow she looks Hot.LOL! I'm very hetero female, but I totally agree! :up:

Funny! :D

I can almost bet she finds out or comes very close to finding out Clarks Secret before Lana during their encountersWho? Maya? Clark spills to Lana in Reckoning, and he does so in the most thorough way you can possibly imagine. Fanboys (and girls) are going to have a serious geekgasm during the FOS scene. Trust me on this. ;)

[Spaceballs]

Who? Maya? Clark spills to Lana in Reckoning, and he does so in the most thorough way you can possibly imagine. Fanboys (and girls) are going to have a serious geekgasm during the FOS scene. Trust me on this. ;)

I am sure most fans have been waiting for the big reveal for Lana but if Clark turns back time & she forgets I think most will be ticked off

[JackMercy]

Funny you should say that. :)

If they don't kill her off, perhaps they are thinking spin-off. It's been nagging me since I first read the spoilers of this ep, and now seeing that poster, I know why. This SO much reminds me of the last season of Highlander, where they were only contracted for 13 eps (half a normal season) and 6 of those eps were for potential "spin-off girls." Truthfully, it was a sad and sucky final season, but it did end up with a phenomenal series finale.

Funny you should say that, Serene...

And nice to see thee ol' Highlander mentioned round these parts...
(agreed on your last point by the way...aware of the 'rebirth' happening soon?)

Would be nice to see BOP on DVD sometime soon, as well...

;)

[The Incredible Hulk]

Funny you should say that, Serene...

And nice to see thee ol' Highlander mentioned round these parts...
(agreed on your last point by the way...aware of the 'rebirth' happening soon?)

Would be nice to see BOP on DVD sometime soon, as well...

;)

Jack, we need Adrian Paul on Smallville as Zod, if not him then Jason Isaacs, oh and I want a casting credit ;)

[JackMercy]

Jack, we need Adrian Paul on Smallville as Zod, if not him then Jason Isaacs, oh and I want a casting credit ;)

I'm workin' on it!

;)

[The Incredible Hulk]

nice :up: see it's all about the fanbase crossovers. then we'll just get a season finale episode with Paul, Marsters, Wopat, and someone with ties to Star Trek, and just imagine the confluence of geeks you'd have tuned into watch that thing :eek: It might like rip a hole in space/time continuum :eek:

[JackMercy]

nice :up: see it's all about the fanbase crossovers. then we'll just get a season finale episode with Paul, Marsters, Wopat, and someone with ties to Star Trek, and just imagine the congregation of geeks you'd have tuned into watch that thing :eek: It might like rip a whole in space/time continuum :eek:

Hulk, all I can say is, great minds think alike...

It's springtime, it's finale time, it's Super-time, and it's Smallville...

Bigger, better, faster, more, is what everyone will be asking for!

Take last year and add about 25%, wouldn't that be great...?

;)

[Serene]

Funny you should say that, Serene...

And nice to see thee ol' Highlander mentioned round these parts...
(agreed on your last point by the way...aware of the 'rebirth' happening soon?)

The answer is yes, ooooh yes. (really geeky HL reference) ;)

I keep tabs on HL happenings still. AP had a weblog of sorts with reports from the set of the new movie. It actually sounds pretty interesting, not that I wouldn't have seen it anyway.

Old fannish web habits die hard, ya know?

[AgentPat]

...just imagine the confluence of geeks you'd have tuned into watch that thing :eek: It might like rip a hole in space/time continuum :eek:ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!

Add me to the list of geeks that would be forever grateful to get AP on SV as Zod. I'm foaming at the mouth just thinking about it. Man!!!

Oh, and as far as finales go, please let this not be the last hurrah. :( I know folks wanted to end on a high note, but it's just WAY too good to end now. I don't give a rat's patootie about two "Supermen" happening at the same time. *ahem* We all have our priorities, doncha know? :p

[user123456789]

more supermen the better i say

[avidreader]

Description for Vengeance from comicscontinuum.

"Clark (Tom Welling) discovers the new reporter at the Daily Planet, a bespectacled, bumbling woman named Maya (Quinones), is actually a masked avenger who fights crime at night. Meanwhile, Clark's bottled-up grief threatens to get the best of him."

As feared by alot of posters here, I bet Clark starts off down the path of Batman/Bruce Wayne, but by episodes end he will remember some wisdom from his father or receive some influence from the women in his life that this is not the way for a Superman.

[AgentPat]

As feared by alot of posters here, I bet Clark starts off down the path of Batman/Bruce Wayne, but by episodes end he will remember some wisdom from his father or receive some influence from the women in his life that this is not the way for a Superman.Y'know, I never put those two points together, but it doesn't bother me. In fact, if that is indeed what they do - Clark takes his grief out on some perp while preventing a crime, but realizes by ep's end that it's not the right thing to do, or it's just not what HE wants to do, I think it will be a fantastic episode. Part of the fun in Batman/Superman crossover comics is seeing how they butt heads constantly. They have diametrically opposed ways of getting the same job done, and that aspect can be very entertaining. We all know Batman's approach and WHY he acts the way he does. This would be awesome character development for Superman because it would show WHY he chooses to use a completely different approach to the same challenge.

This ep is looking better and better. I can't wait!!! :up: :D

[triplet]

Y'know, I never put those two points together, but it doesn't bother me. In fact, if that is indeed what they do - Clark takes his grief out on some perp while preventing a crime, but realizes by ep's end that it's not the right thing to do, or it's just not what HE wants to do, I think it will be a fantastic episode. Part of the fun in Batman/Superman crossover comics is seeing how they butt heads constantly. They have diametrically opposed ways of getting the same job done, and that aspect can be very entertaining. We all know Batman's approach and WHY he acts the way he does. This would be awesome character development for Superman because it would show WHY he chooses to use a completely different approach to the same challenge.

This ep is looking better and better. I can't wait!!! :up: :D

Excellent points, both from you and avid, Pat! :up:

I do love the superman/batman comics I've read... they can be highly entertaining to see how differently the men came to be who they are. I loved that beginning part of Loeb's Superman/Batman series where they talk about their origins... It's brilliant.

This one should be an excellent episode!

[smsvmos]

I am verry exited to see this episode cause the actress that is playing Maya is actualy from my home town of Lares Puerto Rico and let me tell u she is Super HOT :D Her name is Denise Quiñones and here is a realy hot picture of her so enjoy guys :D http://www.bollywoodcity.com/photogallery/albums/Bakini%20Paradise%20for%20Men/denise-m-quinones-02-0.656158447265625-l.jpg

If Denise gets to see this I can only say !!!!! PUERTO RICO!!!!!!!! WEPA!!!!!!!

[avidreader]

Did anyone else notice that Jonathan and a young Clark were in the trailer for this episode?

Clark looks like he is dealing with some pretty big emotional issues.

[Mike_D202]

Yea I cant wait to see him discover which route he'll take in this eppy. The punisher/batman vigilante route or the boy scout justice. We all know what he takes but it'll be an interesting journy (especially how hes dealing with his emotions now).

[The Incredible Hulk]

it looked like Clark was watching a home movie or something

[NHawk19]

Seems like in the trailer he was pretty PO'd when he was hoisting that guy in the air. So I'm sure Clark will be working through some anger issues

[Pythenis]

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9083/vengposter7gn.jpg


Notice the dark area of the cloud that is blocking out the moon? Kinda Bat-ish in shape no? Or maybe Im just seeing what I want to see?

[avidreader]

There are some great screen caps up at K.site

http://www.kryptonsite.com/vengeancetrailer15.htm

[DIRECTOR]

anyybody have a link to the teaser of this episode

[The Incredible Hulk]

Clark looks so sad

http://www.kryptonsite.com/vengeancetrailer8.htm

[DIRECTOR]

hello?

[avidreader]

Clark looks so sad

http://www.kryptonsite.com/vengeancetrailer8.htm


That one breaks my heart

hello?

DTS will probably have it up later today and the WB will probably have it up in the next day or so as well.

[KalKai]

http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2I1U12074Z9GG09LO9D5AHUESM

[Spaceballs]

Start using RAPIDSHARE people :p Unless you guys LIKE having to upload & re upload again when the file expires after 2 downloads

[KalKai]

Actually that expires after 7 days or a certain ammount of downloads, more than enough.

[triplet]

http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2I1U12074Z9GG09LO9D5AHUESM

Thanks, KalKai... I didn't see the whole thing.

:up:

Clark looks really effed up in next week's episode.

[avidreader]

Thanks, KalKai... I didn't see the whole thing.

:up:

Clark looks really effed up in next week's episode.

Doesn't he? Its gonna be a beauty. I love seeing that sort of character emotion, it makes great story telling.

[triplet]

Doesn't he? Its gonna be a beauty. I love seeing that sort of character emotion, it makes great story telling.

When the hero suffers, it heightens the stakes for him and makes his winning out at the end that much more satisfying a conclusion.

Drama can't exist without conflict and conflict reveals character. If the hero didn't suffer, things would be way boring.

:up:

[avidreader]

When the hero suffers, it heightens the stakes for him and makes his winning out at the end that much more satisfying a conclusion.

Drama can't exist without conflict and conflict reveals character. If the hero didn't suffer, things would be way boring.

:up:

Couldnt have said it better myself.

[The Incredible Hulk]

so Clark encounters Zorro, the female version...or Zorra perhaps? :confused: Zorra the Explorer? :eek:

[MJZ]

Looks like their pseudo version of Batman. :)

[avidreader]

He looks like he's had a haircut for his new job.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/suetomup/003.jpg

[Spaceballs]

Great shot for a Superman Manip :up:

[triplet]

Couldnt have said it better myself.

Heee... :D :up:

<------ Notice the new custom text? Hee...

I'm now a freelance writer! Pay is crap and I won't work every week it looks like but he liked my writing enough to sign me on!

:D

I'm happy!

[triplet]

He looks like he's had a haircut for his new job.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/suetomup/003.jpg

Gorgeous!

:D

[avidreader]

Well if James lets me post his, I'll edit it. ;)

[jas01724]

Well if James lets me post his, I'll edit it. ;)Don't see why not. :p

[avidreader]

Don't see why not. :p

Thanks and done.

Triplet you need to edit too.:D ;)

[Kaboom]

is it me or did the mask she was wearng in the trailer look like something you can get out of a cracker jack box?

[Kal-El 8]

http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651447.jpg
http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651451.jpg
Piss-off Clark vs. Snake

http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651453.jpg
Maya,Clark vs. Snake

http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651455.jpg
Maya vs. Snake

[Kal-El 8]

http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651457.jpg
Maya look's Better without The (stupid Mask)
http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651462.jpg
Is That a Kryptonite necklace around her neck ?
http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651463.jpg
Maya look's like Huntress in this pic .
http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651470.jpg
Clark & Maya

[Kal-El 8]

I am verry exited to see this episode cause the actress that is playing Maya is actualy from my home town of Lares Puerto Rico and let me tell u she is Super HOT :D Her name is Denise Quiñones and here is a realy hot picture of her so enjoy guys :D http://www.bollywoodcity.com/photogallery/albums/Bakini%20Paradise%20for%20Men/denise-m-quinones-02-0.656158447265625-l.jpg

If Denise gets to see this I can only say !!!!! PUERTO RICO!!!!!!!! WEPA!!!!!!!

MEOW :eek: She's look's Hot :up: :up:

[user123456789]

i think im one of the few guys here that thought she looked ugly in the promo poster..

[rumpuso]

DTS has the AOL preview up today.

http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1458258&referer=http%3A//television.aol.com/videoondemand

[Kal-El 8]

DTS has the AOL preview up today.

http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1458258&referer=http%3A//television.aol.com/videoondemand

Angry Clark pushes lana away . (I love it)

[Mike_D202]

This season can only get better now that I've watched that clip.

I wonder what the season finale shall have?!!

[Kal-El 8]

CLARK MEETS A FEMALE AVENGER — Clark (Tom Welling) discovers the new reporter at the Daily Planet, a bespectacled, bumbling woman named Maya (Denise Quinones, former “Miss Universe”), is actually a masked avenger who fights crime at night. Meanwhile, Clark’s bottled-up grief threatens to get the best of him.



Well I Guess Alfred was right.

From Batman: Mask of the Phantasm

ALFRED: Vengeance blackens the soul,Bruce. I always feared you would become that which you fought against. You walked the edge of that abyss every night, but you haven't fallen in and I thank Heaven for that. But Andrea fell into that pit years ago, and no one, not even you, could have pulled her back.


I think The TPTB are going to show us A Clark Kent that after his Father's Death was very Close to walking down The Same path as Bruce Wayne/BATMAN exsept (Clark would use his super powers to kill The bad guys instead of turning them over to The Law, like SUPERMAN does.) He would become The very evil (FOTW's) he's Fought against for so long .

[avidreader]

Well I Guess Alfred was right.

From Batman: Mask of the Phantasm



I think The TPTB are going to show us A Clark Kent that after his Father's Death was very Close to walking down The Same path as Bruce Wayne/BATMAN exsept (Clark would use his super powers to kill The bad guys instead of turning them over to The Law, like SUPERMAN does.) He would become The very evil (FOTW's) he's Fought against for so long .

I agree. I think that's exactly where this episode is taking us. What I'm going to find interesting is what it is that will pull him back.

We've seen that shot of him with the tear in his eye, maybe watching a video of him as a youngster with his dad. Will that inspire him.

I'm looking forward to these post-death episodes. They are going to have some great story telling.

[Kal-El 8]

What I'm going to find interesting is what it is that will pull him back.



I hope it's Lois like in " Pariah"

Clark was about to kill Tim, But Lois stoped him.

(That's one of the many things only Lois can do for Clark/SUPERMAN, On many different time in The SUPERMAN story, Clark almost when off the deep end. And Lois was their to bring him back. She reminds him He would be no better than the evil he's Fought)

So I hope it's Lois if not Jonathan would be just as good .

[The Incredible Hulk]

DTS has the AOL preview up today.

http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1458258&referer=http%3A//television.aol.com/videoondemand

It's funny how sometimes Kreuk let's her Canadian accent slip through on certain words. Listen to how she says "bottled". :D Aint no "Kansas-ians" talking like that....

Well I Guess Alfred was right.

From Batman: Mask of the Phantasm

I think The TPTB are going to show us A Clark Kent that after his Father's Death was very Close to walking down The Same path as Bruce Wayne/BATMAN exsept (Clark would use his super powers to kill The bad guys instead of turning them over to The Law, like SUPERMAN does.) He would become The very evil (FOTW's) he's Fought against for so long .

my thoughts exactly :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651463.jpg


heh anyone notice the big word in red behind Clark in that pic? :D

Also I think K-Site said the character's name was changed to Angela now...

[avidreader]

I cant work out what it says, and why is she looking at the camera?

[The Incredible Hulk]

"SUPER" was what I was talking about but it does say like "SUPERC" something. the rest of the word is out of frame in that shot, on purpose I'd guess

[Mike_D202]

wow, clarks wearing DARK colors in this eppy. oooooo. :D

[KikiDee]

Heee... :D :up:

<------ Notice the new custom text? Hee...

I'm now a freelance writer! Pay is crap and I won't work every week it looks like but he liked my writing enough to sign me on!

:D

I'm happy!

Congrat's Trip. It's so cool that you get paid for something for you love to do.

I had a friend that recently got 50 bucks for 3 lines of type in a magazine. Hey, it's a start!

Good luck and I hope it only gets better from here.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Mike_D202]

http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651447.jpg

...you have a bald head...and I dont like that.

[GothicPowerMix1]

http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651447.jpg

...you have a bald head...and I dont like that.

Odd considering a certain friend of his is bald :p

[Mike_D202]

Odd considering a certain friend of his is bald :p

haha, not for very long. In fact I dont think they're friends anymore after thursdays eppy.

[Kal-El 8]

http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651447.jpg

Bruce Wayne :...you KILLED MY PARENTS.

[GothicPowerMix1]

haha, not for very long. In fact I dont think they're friends anymore after thursdays eppy.

Lex did nothing though & besides Clark brought that on himself for pushing Lana away & Lana is just choosing to go to the Person slowly that has been trusted her & told her the truth which Clark will never do. You can only blame Clark for that. Lana & Clark are like Rachel & Ross

Cant wait for Clark to say

"We were on a bbbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkk"

[Kal-El 8]

http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651476.jpg

http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-01/21651464.jpg

[avidreader]

AOL clip

http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2XD07BAZDXSIJ2M0WTSU48K7JO

[triplet]

Congrat's Trip. It's so cool that you get paid for something for you love to do.

I had a friend that recently got 50 bucks for 3 lines of type in a magazine. Hey, it's a start!

Good luck and I hope it only gets better from here.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Thanks. :D

I'm happy, luckily since it's only part-time I can still get unemployment as long as I don't make more than my checks (which I don't think I'm in any danger of doing, btw) so unless something a lot better comes along, I can make do with the unemployment and the pittance I'll be getting for this.

But getting paid to write is always good. :D

[MJZ]

Maybe I'm alone here but I can't wait to see every episode from here on out, in the wake of Reckoning... :)

[avidreader]

Maybe I'm alone here but I can't wait to see every episode from here on out, in the wake of Reckoning... :)

Count me in. :up:

[AgentPat]

Maybe I'm alone here but I can't wait to see every episode from here on out, in the wake of Reckoning... :)You kidding? I'm *always* psyched to see a new episode of SV. And I've been pretty pumped to see Vengeance since those first teaser photos were released and we knew it wasn't just a fake script anymore. As somebody said earlier in this thread, it will be interesting to see what yanks Clark out of his Batman-esque vigilante mode. Another thing I find interesting is the guy that he's got in a choke hold is (almost) bald. Hee! Looks like Clark will be taking his anger out on people and things (notice him breaking the socket wrench - or whatever that tool was in the teaser) in more ways than just one. Vengeance looks like it will be a nice compliment to Reckoning - a fun ride with lots of action. I can't wait! :D :up:

[triplet]

The WB finally put up the trailer. You can find it here, just right click and save as....

http://raincloud.warnerbros.com/thewb/us/content/mJc3Y2_SM513-trl_qt_300.mov

[Red X]

Thanks Trip. How do you find this stuff before anyone else?

[Red X]

Whats Clark breaking in half? And that woman has a stupid mask.

[triplet]

Thanks Trip. How do you find this stuff before anyone else?

It's easy, actually...

:D

[BaK]

Thanks Trip. How do you find this stuff before anyone else?
she uses superspeed..

[triplet]

she uses superspeed..

That's right, it's my superpower! :D :up:

[mellyM]

devotedtosmallville.com usually has the trailer up shortly after its shown after the current episode. They're not good for much, but they're good for that:)

[AgentPat]

Whats Clark breaking in half?Looks like a socket wrench.

[triplet]

devotedtosmallville.com usually has the trailer up shortly after its shown after the current episode. They're not good for much, but they're good for that:)

Mmm... they put up crappy caps of the trailer, however.. poor video quality doesn't make me happy.

The real QT movies are much better. :D

[Eklypze]

man this episode looks badass i think it would be great if clark actually killed that guy (maybe even on accident) as it would be interesting to see him cope with the guilt from that

[Eklypze]

but as this is smallville we know that will never actually happen

[avidreader]

Hey, I just noticed on the Vengeance trailer that Christopher Sayour's name is back up as the Stunt co-ordinator. That's good news. I wondered whether he was okay.:)

[GothicPowerMix1]

man this episode looks badass i think it would be great if clark actually killed that guy (maybe even on accident) as it would be interesting to see him cope with the guilt from that

NO

We already have to watch him cope with guilt about things he had NO control over happening & now hes gonna blame himself for Jonathans death when Jonathan did what any Father would do that loved their son. Please Im getting bored of moody Clark right now. Come on Zod take over Smallville or Metropolis in the Finale & give Clark a reason to turn his guilt into anger & power :up:

[The Hurricane]

The WB finally put up the trailer. You can find it here, just right click and save as....

http://raincloud.warnerbros.com/thewb/us/content/mJc3Y2_SM513-trl_qt_300.mov

Thanks. Looks like it might be a good episode. Hopefully he lashes alot

[The Incredible Hulk]

damn, the night before the episode and this thread fell back to the 2nd page... I think this episode looks interesting, it looks like it's gonna show why Clark takes the "high road" when fighting evil instead of giving in to his aggression....

[Mike_D202]

I wonder whats gonna happen with the vigilante woman, she'll probably get arrested by Clark turning her in.

[The Incredible Hulk]

maybe Clark will slap her around a bit ;)

[avidreader]

I'll stick this is in here, since its post Reckoning and it may inspire some conversation for this episode. Got the links via DTS.

Clark vs. Lex: "It's Going to Explode!
by Matt Webb Mitovich

http://tvguide.com/NR/rdonlyres/DD606DBE-4FEF-470C-9DC0-6C7E903C19BF/6507/060202insider2.jpgTom Welling, Smallville Last week, WB's Smallville (http://online.tvguide.com/NewSearch/detail.aspx?id=3149668&tvobjectid=100398&sourcetype=S&progseriesparentid=3149668&keyword=smallville&referrer=search1) (Thursdays at 8 pm/ET) finally pulled the trigger on its much-trumpeted 100th-episode death, as John Schneider's Jonathan crossed over to that big farmhouse in the sky. Seeing as Clark's pop all but died at the hands of Lex's own dad, is one of comicdom's all-time great rivalries ready to rumble?
"It's a turning point," says Tom Welling (http://tvguide.com/redirect?keyword=tom+welling), Smallville's young Man of Steel. "The episodes we're doing now are even better, I think, than what we've done in the past. From [here] on, the show is going to be very different from what it's been. We're finally going to be what the audience wanted the show to be."
What many Smallville fans wanted the show to be was darker, more brooding... less about coeds in angst and more about a superhero's genesis. "In the past, it was all different shades of the same ideas or characters going, 'We got in an argument last night. Let's get in another argument,'" Welling observes. "Now we've come to a point where these characters are saying, 'Let's start moving forward. Let's figure out why we're not getting along. Let's see if our relationship works.' Or, in cases like Clark and Lex, saying, 'You're not who I thought you were.'"
Indeed, in light of recent and imminent developments, Welling says, "We're going to start seeing the Lex Luthor and Clark Kent rivalry. It's going to explode a lot faster than it has in the past."
In doing so, the meatiest bits of Superman mythology will at long last take flight, even if Clark himself doesn't. "I find it much more interesting to concentrate on the development of [Clark] and show what happened in his life to make him the Superman that we all know him to be," says Welling. "To put on the cape or put on the tights and start flying around... makes things too easy for Clark."

Just as we'll have to see what happens to Smallville's favorite son now that he must face life without his adoptive Earth father. Saying goodbye to Schneider "was very bittersweet," Welling says. The Dukes of Hazzard alum was "looking forward to a little time off" to pursue projects he has in the development pipeline [Schneider himself talks about his send-off in the new TV Guide, hitting newsstands now], "but when the day came [to tape Episode 100], he was on set just kind of looking around, going, 'Yeah, well, I guess this is it.'"
Losing an original cast member, Welling notes, "is part of the industry we're in, and we know that." He then adds, "Luckily, when a person is killed off the show, they don't actually die in real life, so you're able to continue that friendship."
Besides, as Superman lore has shown time and time again, what doesn't kill Clark Kent only makes him stronger, a quality that will become invaluable as things reach a boil between him and his bald bud, Lex. "The producers, the writers, even some of the directors, they're all like, 'It's time to grow up a little bit.' We're all feeling that," says Welling. "It's a natural progression for an actor to want his character to evolve."

[Kaboom]

maybe Clark will slap her around a bit ;)

question: assuming clark does "slap her around" how do you think that would affect the ratings and everyones perceptioon of clark if he beats up a girl kinda like the way he fought braniac. even if she is superpowered.

avid? triplet? how do you think peopel would react?

[avidreader]

question: assuming clark does "slap her around" how do you think that would affect the ratings and everyones perceptioon of clark if he beats up a girl kinda like the way he fought braniac. even if she is superpowered.

avid? triplet? how do you think peopel would react?

Well he doesnt usually hit on girls, something I've noticed, even bad ones. So my guess is that she may try to lash out at him, but he will just hold her off, angry or not.

I would think even with her powers she wont be any match for Clark Kent.

So imo I dont think we need to worry about what people would think, as I dont see it happening.

[rumpuso]

I think we see in the preview that he tosses her.

Right? Or no?

[AgentPat]

...how do you think that would affect the ratings and everyone's perception of Clark if he beats up a girl kinda like the way he fought braniac. even if she is superpowered.What makes this one any different than bone morpher Tina Greer, teleporter Alicia, or even psycho chick he hurled into the wall in Bound? LOL

[AgentPat]

...Actually, now that I think about it, he just threw a paint can at Alicia, so I guess she doesn't count. But those battles with Tina were quite the slam dunk. ;)

[avidreader]

I think we see in the preview that he tosses her.

Right? Or no?

He does, doesnt he? Maybe he doesnt do it too hard. I cant see him going so far that he would hurt her.

And I had forgotten about the girl in Bound, he needed to do that though to knock her out so she wouldnt see him.

I dunno, I guess if he doesnt deliberately use an abudance of powers and is somewhat justified for hitting her, then I wouldnt have a problem.

But then I probably dont speak for the majority.

[avidreader]

...Actually, now that I think about it, he just threw a paint can at Alicia, so I guess she doesn't count. But those battles with Tina were quite the slam dunk. ;)

Even though she was Tina, he was fighting himself on that occasion. It didnt have quite the same appearance as fighting one on one with a girl.

[Serene]

I don't mind seeing Clark using the same force to stop a female as he would a male. If Clark is having to use force on someone, it's for good reason, no matter what sex they are. He's not going to purposely beat the crap out of anyone.. except maybe tonight. ;)

This reminds me of an episode of Highlander called "Chivalry." Macleod was almost killed because he hesitated, and couldn't bring himself to kill a female immortal, although she deserved it. Methos took care of the situation, explaining to her, right before her took head, that he was a man "born long before the age of chivalry."

[Serene]

double trouble.. :mad:

[The Incredible Hulk]

question: assuming clark does "slap her around" how do you think that would affect the ratings and everyones perceptioon of clark if he beats up a girl kinda like the way he fought braniac. even if she is superpowered.

avid? triplet? how do you think peopel would react?

someone's sarcasm detector needs a tune up ;)

[Mike_D202]

Tonights episode is gonna be interesting.

[snowangel061989]

Tonights episode is gonna be interesting.

I have to agree :up:. Very interesting, yet very depressing.:supes:

[avidreader]

Sad and emotional I think. Better have that tissue box handy again. :(

[snowangel061989]

Sad and emotional I think. Better have that tissue box handy again. :(

Exactly what i was thining

[Colossal Spoons]

Who is this masked chick? I'm assuming she's a comic character.

[The Batman]

Why couldnt she be wonder woman again??

[cyrus02pso]

ok the batman music is really pissing me off, this chick is NOT batman.

[cyrus02pso]

Why couldnt she be wonder woman again??

movieembargo. but this would have been a perfect time for a batman episode...

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok, so who IS she?

[cyrus02pso]

smallville made up replacement

[Savage]

I'm thinking she was created by Lionel using Clark's DNA and he's using her somehow to get to him. She probably doesn't even know that she's being used. I mean how else did she end up with kryptonite AND know that it would hurt him?

[Robin91939]

ok the batman music is really pissing me off, this chick is NOT batman.
Yeah, and thing is she is completely modeled off of Batman, a cheap immatation.

Young girl who had her family killed by a mugger, becomes a masked vigilante, I mean, common. Why couldn't they just use Bruce Wayne in a mask for three episodes or something.

-R

[Katsuro]

Yeah, and thing is she is completely modeled off of Batman, a cheap immatation.

Young girl who had her family killed by a mugger, becomes a masked vigilante, I mean, common. Why couldn't they just use Bruce Wayne in a mask for three episodes or something.

-R

She was like Batman for the first half of the episode, until she started killing people. That and the super powers.

[Savage]

Yeah. I thought she was yet another kryptonian for a while or a creation of brainiac but...honestly, who knows right now.

[Colossal Spoons]

Aw, man. That ending was not what I needed :(

[Darthphere]

Pretty good episode, though honestly really didnt move anything along at all. It felt like a filler episode with a lot of heart. And yeah this chick really sucks and the Batman music was pissing me off.

[cyrus02pso]

Such a beautiful ending but such a crap episode

[Venom71]

Well I thought it was a great episode. :up: :supes:

[Triligors]

Yeah, definitely great episode. It showed Clark's feelings and how he chose to express those and overcome his feelings to continue being Superman. Also, we all know that if Batman was available he would have definitely been in this episode. The female hero's beliefs are the exact same as Batmans. And Superman more than often had to stop Batman from going too far, this is what Jonathon had instilled in Clark a sense of moral values. That definitely came across in this episode. And once again, I couldn't help but shed a couple tears and get a lump in my throat at the end of the episode. It was very sad. "Good bye."

[tonytr1687]

Best line of the whole episode:

Lionel - I have returned

Too bad it didnt last long...but maybe Lionel will continue to fight.

[snowangel061989]

Such a beautiful ending but such a crap episode

I agree! It was sad to watch them say goodbye to johnathan. And then seeing Clark and Martha crying, that brought a little tear to my eye :(

[Michael Corleone]

I'm sorry but the reversal of Lana knowing has sorta soured me on the two of them. I just don't care about them together anymore. The reversal may have made for good tv for some but I think it's killed it for me.

[cyrus02pso]

I thought that whole lionel lex exchange was pretty pointless

[deathshead2]

Clark looked so sad :( but I did like the fact the girl acted goofly you know droping things the glasses makes you wonder if that is who clark steals the idea to act that way whn he works at the planete

[The Master]

The end kinda hit alittle too close to home for me.(I lost my father only a few years ago.:( )

[deathshead2]

Clark looked so sad :( but I did like the fact the girl acted goofly you know droping things the glasses makes you wonder if that is who clark steals the idea to act that way whn he works at the planete

[cyrus02pso]

I thought that whole lionel lex exchange was pretty pointless

[snowangel061989]

whoops, double post. My bad.

[Phantasm]

I was in tears by the end of this...

:(

[Darthphere]

Did anyone really care or know what exactly what was going with Lex/Lionel fighting over the company once again? Havent we moved on from that, Lionel had the company for like 5 minutes. Talk about time filler.

[Darthphere]

Did anyone really care or know what exactly what was going with Lex/Lionel fighting over the company once again? Havent we moved on from that, Lionel had the company for like 5 minutes. Talk about time filler.

[Phantasm]

Crappy episode. Too reminiscent of MOTP. But the ending just pierced me.

I WANT JONATHAN BACK!!!!
:(
:(

[cyrus02pso]

I'm sorry but the reversal of Lana knowing has sorta soured me on the two of them. I just don't care about them together anymore. The reversal may have made for good tv for some but I think it's killed it for me.

man the whole clark/lana thing was over for me somewhere in season3 i just hope they are over for good

[tonytr1687]

Did anyone really care or know what exactly what was going with Lex/Lionel fighting over the company once again? Havent we moved on from that, Lionel had the company for like 5 minutes. Talk about time filler.

Its called foreshadowing. There's gonna be more battling between them. Lionel wouldn't give up that easily. Plus they're kinda showing that Lex has the upper hand now, as well as simply explaining to the audience just why Lionel was against Lex's campaign and helping Jonathan. He saw that Lex's campaign was hurting the company and therefore he wanted to stop it. Isnt it interesting that while Lex is trying to woo Lana, Lionel is trying to woo Martha.

[Darthphere]

Ok I got that, I asked does anyone really care.

[The Incredible Hulk]

The first 40 minutes of that episode were okay, the last 20 were fantastic. I got really choked up at the end, reminded of when my gramps passed away a bunch of years ago and then seeing him on my wedding video...

[tonytr1687]

Ok I got that, I asked does anyone really care.

Well yea I do. If Reckoning didnt confirm that evil Lionel is back and not just Jor-El impersonating him, then this episode certainly did. Plus this means we'll get to see more Lex/Lionel mind games which have been sorely missed, at least IMO. There's some grand scheme that Lionel is cooking up and I think we'll start to see it unfold between now and the season finale. That photo is gonna pop back up.

[user123456789]

Ok I got that, I asked does anyone really care.

nope.

anyway, i liked some of the dialogue in this episode, really touching. and that video makes me miss PA KENT!!!!!

[amazingfantasy15]

Wow, and I thought Aquaman was a bad actor, the chick in this episode made him look like, well he's still not good, maybe more Keanu Reeves than Steven Seagal.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Did anyone really care or know what exactly what was going with Lex/Lionel fighting over the company once again? Havent we moved on from that, Lionel had the company for like 5 minutes. Talk about time filler.

Lionel was trying to initiate a takeover of LuthorCorp by having business partners from overseas buying vast quantities of preferred stock when the price went down, I'm guessing it went down b/c of things that happened at the company while Lex was focusing on the Senate race. Lex however knows Lionel was with Jonathan right before he bought it and knows how Lionel feels about Martha, so him letting on about that and how much it would devastate Martha, makes Lionel back off his takeover attempt before the Bd. of Governors at LuthorCorp okays the sale of stock ot them.

[AgentPat]

Pretty good episode, though honestly really didn't move anything along at all.:confused:

You kidding? Bumbling chick who wears nerdy glasses and works at the Daily Planet, surreptitiously using her access at said newspaper to fight crime using superhuman powers, and changes her clothes - in a PHONE BOOTH - to a costume when seeking justice?

Nah. That doesn't move anything along in a show about the early years of SUPERMAN.

:p :p :p

It felt like a filler episode with a lot of heart.Well, I have to disagree again. This episode is starting a whole new set of story arcs. The entire playing field has just been shifted in a major way. We've got the beginnings of an odd relationship between Lana and Lex, not to mention a creepy one between Martha and Lionel. Clark and Lionel's relationship just took a turn towards the bizarre (he's calling Clark "son" now?!?) And it appears Martha and Chloe will become closer as they are the only two (we'll just forget about Pete LOL) who can freely talk about Clark. There's also the matter of what Lionel has against the Kents (the photo incriminating Clark), and his underhanded methods to get LuthorCorp back from Lex (the whole Chinese underground subplot.) My word, "filler episode" this was not. ;)

[AgentPat]

Clark looked so sad :( but I did like the fact the girl acted goofly you know droping things the glasses makes you wonder if that is who clark steals the idea to act that way whn he works at the planete
:eek:

Ya think? LOL ;) :D :up:

[Darthphere]

:confused:

You kidding? Bumbling chick who wears nerdy glasses and works at the Daily Planet, surreptitiously using her access at said newspaper to fight crime using superhuman powers, and changes her clothes - in a PHONE BOOTH - to a costume when seeking justice?

Nah. That doesn't move anything along in a show about the early years of SUPERMAN.

:p :p :p

Well, I have to disagree again. This episode is starting a whole new set of story arcs. The entire playing field has just been shifted in a major way. We've got the beginnings of an odd relationship between Lana and Lex, not to mention a creepy one between Martha and Lionel. Clark and Lionel's relationship just took a turn towards the bizarre (he's calling Clark "son" now?!?) And it appears Martha and Chloe will become closer as they are the only two (we'll just forget about Pete LOL) who can freely talk about Clark. There's also the matter of what Lionel has against the Kents (the photo incriminating Clark), and his underhanded methods to get LuthorCorp back from Lex (the whole Chinese underground subplot.) My word, "filler episode" this was not. ;)


Well you can disagree of course but just becuase that chick was acting like Clark kent we know and love doesnt mean anything. Its more of a nice little wink wink nudge nudge thing than actaully accomplishing anything. All those things you described were minor plot points that were being prgressed but the actual main plot wasnt furthered in any way by this episode. i know youre a big fan of the show but this was a filler episode at its best.

[user123456789]

Wow, and I thought Aquaman was a bad actor, the chick in this episode made him look like, well he's still not good, maybe more Keanu Reeves than Steven Seagal.

LMFAO!! great analogy!

[rumpuso]

I need a blanky and a pacifier after this episode.

I'm a mess.

Again.

:(

[amazingfantasy15]

Decent episode, the subplots were very interesting, but the main plot wasn't great, mainly because the girl's acting was so horrible, heavy handed Superman and Batman overtones didn't help either.

[cyrus02pso]

Wow, and I thought Aquaman was a bad actor, the chick in this episode made him look like, well he's still not good, maybe more Keanu Reeves than Steven Seagal.

exactly

[triplet]

Pretty good episode, though honestly really didnt move anything along at all. It felt like a filler episode with a lot of heart. And yeah this chick really sucks and the Batman music was pissing me off.

I'm with Pat... how on earth can anyone call this a "filler" episode???

So much was moved forward and Clark realized in this episode that anger and thirst for vengeance isn't what should drive him. He just has to figure out a way to show himself while he's doing the crimefighting thing...

Excellent episode.

Not the best episode ever, the acting of the guest star left a little to be desired, but still good.

:up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Because if they dont see a cape, the FoS or hear Jor-El in the episode, it automatically becomes "filler" regardless of what character progress is made or how much they dealt with Jonathan's death....

[AgentPat]

...just because that chick was acting like Clark kent we know and love doesn't mean anything.But that's the point. She *wasn't* acting like Clark that we know now. That's what Clark will become (minus the vengeance and killing people part.)

Its more of a nice little wink wink nudge nudge thing than actually accomplishing anything.In SV continuity, this one episode just set the precedent for Clark Kent's entire approach to concealing his identity, right down to his choice of occupations and his demeanor while working there. In all seriousness, how in the world could this be considered a "filler" episode?

Years from now, when somebody asks me which are the "important" SV episodes to catch among the 154 or so that were produced, this will be one of the ones I recommend. It's enormously important to the hows and whys of the Superman mythos (as established in SV.)

All those things you described were minor plot points that were being progressed but the actual main plot wasn't furthered in any way by this episode.Again, that's the point. A whole bunch of NEW plots have just been introduced. None of those plots have progressed because they just got started. Count on the Lana/Lex one being in full swing right up till the end of the season - and possibly into next. That's a pretty big plot point, I think.

[Serene]

Isnt it interesting that while Lex is trying to woo Lana, Lionel is trying to woo Martha.
A nice bit of storyline symmetry there. Did you notice that Lionel said to Martha almost exactly what Lex said to Lana.. "I'll always be there for you.."

Anyone else glad when Maya knifed that guy that killed her mom? I know.. it's wrong to kill.. blah blah.. but I was glad they had her do it. She's obviously *not* Clark, but rather an example of what he could be if he let his grief and anger overwhelm him. I give them credit for not soft-peddling that. Clark needed to *see* vigilante justice in action, and she really showed him.

I thought the Batman music was a little forced. I guess Maya is our Batman Light, since they can't feature Batman proper on the show. I did think the actress did a decent enough job, and she was beautiful, moreso than she looked in the stills.

I didn't care for the special f/x of her jumping around the buildings. Maybe they shot the f/x wad on Reckoning? ;)

So.. uh, did it seem like Lionel should have seen Clark use his superspeed to save him? He acted like he didn't, but I thought for sure they were adding Lionel to the list of people that know about Clark (you know.. the list that includes just about everyone but LANA! :mad: ;)) I guess we are to assume that Lionel didn't actually comprehend that Clark went from one end of the room to the other in a fraction of a second. That was.. odd.

I knew Lana was going to get him the watch back. I just knew. That was a nice bone for those of us still grieving them.

I really thought this was one of Tom's best episodes, right up there with Splinter and Transference. Damn.. can we please continue to give the guy scenes where he's allowed to show a range of emotions?? His grief in the opening scene with Martha, was palpable just from the look in his eyes. Then the final scene, with the one tear leading to the opening of the floodgates when Martha embraced him. He's really sooo damn good at these quiet but intense scenes. Serious kudos to the guy. I was sniffling all over again.

The Acuvue commercial? Al and Miles.. you are whores. That stuff sucks and totally rips me out of the show. I hate it. HATE IT.

But, um.. yeah.. so I'm trying to enter that contest anyway. :) It must be getting swamped with hits because I can't get through at all.
But I do still hate it! :O

[amazingfantasy15]

One thing that kinda annoying me about the episode was how Clark dealt with Jonathan's death, it seemed kinda like Peter Parker than Clark Kent. The guilt he felt, thinking it was his fault, then going into vengance mode seemed much more Spider-Man than Superman.

[triplet]

Because if they dont see a cape, the FoS or hear Jor-El the episode, it automatically becomes "filler" regardless of what character progress is made or how much they dealt with Jonathan's death....

True...

I didn't think that the superman refs were OTT either.

I thought they were good in this episode and gave hints to Clark about how he could act in the future if he wants to use his powers openly.

Also I really liked that Chloe and Martha have bonded a bit....

And how creepy was Lionel calling Clark "son?"

:eek:

[GothicPowerMix1]

They can't use Bruce Wayne so they come up with their own Bruce Wayne. Can't wait to see what they think of next.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I doubt Lionel saw Clark, when you're falling out a window, you usually have another focus

[Triligors]

One of my favorite beats of the episode because of its eerie undertones is when Lionell calls Clark "son."

[Serene]

I doubt Lionel saw Clark, when you're falling out a window, you usually have another focus
I'm always fine with putting on my disbelief suspenders when it comes to this show, but that one just really stood out to me. Whether or not Lionel actually "saw" him move shouldn't matter, it's the timing of Clark being over THERE, then suddenly over HERE.

But, whatever.. maybe Lionel was just too busy filling his pants thinking he was going out the window to notice.

[AgentPat]

So much was moved forward and Clark realized in this episode that anger and thirst for vengeance isn't what should drive him.Excellent point. I wasn't even thinking along those lines but you're right. That's a MAJOR thing as well.

Gosh... so NOT a "filler" episode. My word!

Because if they dont see a cape, the FoS or hear Jor-El the episode, it automatically becomes "filler" regardless of what character progress is made or how much they dealt with Jonathan's death....I didn't consider the resolution to last week's ep either, which was pretty important. Clark needed to finally let Jonathan go. He needed to let his emotions out, and not do it through anger. He needed to allow himself to grieve.

The acting on the part of the actress who played Andrea wasn't the best, but I didn't mind the Batman homages. When the "sidekick" line came up, I wanted to hear Clark say "I work alone." That would have been hysterical. But his comeback was pretty funny nonetheless. What he say, "I'm NOT a sidekick," or something like that? LMFAO!!!

Also love how they snuck in the ambiguity as to weather Clark jumped or flew. The sound effect used was the same one they use when he superspeeds. Would jumping make that sound? Hee!

[SuperSoldier87]

I missed the episode does anybody have it online

[thechubbysaint]

I still think Clark's crying would have been better last episode at the funeral.

[AgentPat]

I didn't care for the special f/x of her jumping around the buildings. Maybe they shot the f/x wad on Reckoning? ;)Yeah, probably. Those effects were pretty bad, I agree.

So.. uh, did it seem like Lionel should have seen Clark use his superspeed to save him? He acted like he didn't, but I thought for sure they were adding Lionel to the list of people that know about Clark (you know.. the list that includes just about everyone but LANA! :mad: ;)) I guess we are to assume that Lionel didn't actually comprehend that Clark went from one end of the room to the other in a fraction of a second. That was.. odd.Actually, I thought it was perfect because of COURSE he would have seen all that stuff. The fact that he TOTALLY ignored it practically confirms that whatever is in the picture, has to do with Clark.

I really thought this was one of Tom's best episodes, right up there with Splinter and Transference. Damn.. can we please continue to give the guy scenes where he's allowed to show a range of emotions?? His grief in the opening scene with Martha, was palpable just from the look in his eyes. Then the final scene, with the one tear leading to the opening of the floodgates when Martha embraced him. He's really sooo damn good at these quiet but intense scenes. Serious kudos to the guy. I was sniffling all over again.I know folks will probably rake me over the coals for this, but I think he did a better job in THIS episode than he did in Reckoning. His acting was pretty good in Reckoning, particularly the car crash scene, but he was on FIRE in this entire episode. I'm really impressed. Very, VERY impressed.

[LarryLegend]

I liked it.

Great that they actually showed Clark dealing with this as opposed to say when Ryan or Alicia died.

As others have said we get to see him consider and reject a possible path plus good plot set-ups for future episodes.

[tonytr1687]

I still think Clark's crying would have been better last episode at the funeral.

Not really...the whole point was he was bottling up his grief up until that last scene in tonights episode of course. Anyway as usual the scenes between Lex and Lionel were magnificent. As important as the stuff with Maya was, I thought that whole main plot was the weakest part of the episode execution-wise, whereas the Lex/Lionel and "grieving for Jonathan" subplots were great. Maybe b/c Maya and those thugs were horrible actors.

[JackMercy]

I know folks will probably rake me over the coals for this, but I think he did a better job in THIS episode than he did in Reckoning. His acting was pretty good in Reckoning, particularly the car crash scene, but he was on FIRE in this entire episode. I'm really impressed. Very, VERY impressed.

So was I.

Anyone notice how Clark was learning how to assemble newspaper pages on a matting board?

;)

[Thunder Emperor]

as an eps i think it sucked, the girls acting was seriously off, loved the sub-plot with lex lionel and martha. it seriously could have been a good eps. but her reason fo rcrime fighting was super-lame


by the way our friend JcDc sent me this PM

No posting of PMs, please. That is why they are called PRIVATE!--Dew

Could someone here please kindly respond? Thank you

[Serene]

Notice the the TV set, freeze-framed, in centered in the closing shot.

clip from theone - This young man's a Man of Steel.." (http://clana.darkness-light.net/vengeancecm.wmv)

[KikiDee]

Yeah, probably. Those effects were pretty bad, I agree.

Actually, I thought it was perfect because of COURSE he would have seen all that stuff. The fact that he TOTALLY ignored it practically confirms that whatever is in the picture, has to do with Clark.

I know folks will probably rake me over the coals for this, but I think he did a better job in THIS episode than he did in Reckoning. His acting was pretty good in Reckoning, particularly the car crash scene, but he was on FIRE in this entire episode. I'm really impressed. Very, VERY impressed.

I had to quote this again because I wholeheartedly agree. I was impressed with the maturity in his demeanor as well as his voice. I know a lot of people think he has mastered the blank stare, but I think his eyes are extremely expressive. At the beginning when he's speaking to Lana you could tell he was pissed, but then as he realized he was being a total ass his look softened and his facial muscles relaxed.

On another note, Michael is doing a pretty bang up job too. It's like he's taken a low-key page out of Tom's book. He's very much the cool cat these last two episodes.

I say :up: :up: for a really entertaining ep that seems to be evolving our "little" hero into something spectacular.

[jaydawg]

If not for Lex's memorable scene with Lionel, this episod would be utterly pointless. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, one of, if not the, worst episodes ever produced by SV. And before anyone defends the lame ass jumping of "Vengence" theres a rule out there that says "If it's not gonna look good, don't do it." Its sad when the trailer tells you this is gonna suck from the get go. That girls acting even brought Welling's down. Christ, I thought I was watching Smallville, not the rookie adventures of Zorra.

[The Incredible Hulk]

as an eps i think it sucked, the girls acting was seriously off, loved the sub-plot with lex lionel and martha. it seriously could have been a good eps. but her reason fo rcrime fighting was super-lame

Wasnt her reason basically the same as Batman's? Her parent tried to do good deeds and paid with her life for it...

Unnecessary--Dew

[KikiDee]

as an eps i think it sucked, the girls acting was seriously off, loved the sub-plot with lex lionel and martha. it seriously could have been a good eps. but her reason fo rcrime fighting was super-lame

Yeh, maybe, but what would you do if you watched your mother get murdered and then found out that you had superhuman abilities? Plus her mom did a lot for the community so maybe she thought she was doing it in her mother's honor. Who knows at least now we know Clark's not a sidekick and he still thinks he can be who he is without a disguise.
Wonder what happens for him to find out that's not gonna work? :)


Yeah, you need to stop, too--Dew