Captain America

[Triligors]

I haven't read the comics, but know the character and that there are two possible routes of going with the film.

1. World War II- Captain America takes on Hitler and the rest of the f.cking nazis

or

2. Modern Day- Captain America adopts to modern society and has to stop a new threat from rising and taking control

Which version would you like to see?

[Kable24]

Nazis

[Sun_Down]

Cap adjusting to modern times/problems with plenty of flashbacks to WWII

[Black Panther]

Cap adjusting to modern times/problems with plenty of flashbacks to WWII

Avi Arad said that thats whats going to happen :up:

[newavengers12]

And what Avi says , it has to be done...

[TheVileOne]

This isn't really even an issue anymore since they've already said its going to be a man out of his time, fish out of water type flick.

[Muze]

i think the first one should take place during WWII; establish the origin of Cap and his archnemesis the Red Skull. and he could be unfrozen in the present for the sequel. he'd be found by SHIELD, be shown around the present by SHIELD agent Sam Wilson (actor Derek Luke), and be just getting situated when Hydra frees the Skull from his government cell (more like a pit and he's down there because he's just too hard to kill). Hydra and Baron Strucker (actor Mitch Pileggi) want the Red Skull to be their figurehead; since he unknowingly inspired the organization much like Cap inspired the creation of SHIELD. oh and Strucker's flackies would be Viper (actress Milla Jovovich), Dr Arnim Zola (actor Udo Kier), and a Hydra strong man/Red Skull-fanboy who is later named Crossbones (actor Andrew Bryniarski).

[Lazarus440]

i think the first one should take place during WWII; establish the origin of Cap and his archnemesis the Red Skull. and he could be unfrozen in the present for the sequel. he'd be found by SHIELD, be shown around the present by SHIELD agent Sam Wilson (actor Derek Luke), and be just getting situated when Hydra frees the Skull from his government cell (more like a pit and he's down there because he's just too hard to kill). Hydra and Baron Strucker (actor Mitch Pileggi) want the Red Skull to be their figurehead; since he unknowingly inspired the organization much like Cap inspired the creation of SHIELD. oh and Strucker's flackies would be Viper (actress Milla Jovovich), Dr Arnim Zola (actor Udo Kier), and a Hydra strong man/Red Skull-fanboy who is later named Crossbones (actor Andrew Bryniarski).
Baron Strucker and the Red Skull hate each other seeing as the Red Skull helped the baron get out of germany and then he screwed him over and the Red Skull has more of a history with AIM.

[BT18]

We've already had a couple Captain America movies and they were both in modern times. And they both sucked. Not that the former directly lead to the latter. Far from it, but Caps origin is too involved and important to be relegated to a flashback or mention. It requires a complete movie to be fleshed out and accepted.

There really only needs to be one Captain America movie. I think it has a greater probablity for greatness if they don't look at it from a potential franchise point of view and want the thing to standalone. They could continue the characters story by having him be the lead in an AVENGERS movie in the modern day.

[The Phantom]

IMO

The beginning arc should be about Captain America's origin in the past. And then the rest of the movie should be the man out of time deal. Definitely, S.H.I.E.L.D. should be a major part of his origin and resurrection.

Mathew McConaughey should star and Steven Spielberg should direct.

[Muze]

Baron Strucker and the Red Skull hate each other seeing as the Red Skull helped the baron get out of germany and then he screwed him over and the Red Skull has more of a history with AIM.

AIM isn't as colorful as Hydra. and the average movie-goer doesn't know Baron Strucker from Colonel Sanders.

[GNR]

Do it up Ultimates style.

[Scarlet-Spider1]

Do it up Ultimates style.
That might work or otherwise I just stick with Flashback to World War II (1944 or 1945)

[boywonder13]

I think it should be both.

[Caliber]

I think a combination of both ideas. The first fifteen minutes should be about his origin and ww2. After that he should struggle to adapt to modern times while facing an old threat of the Red Skull.

[3dman27]

since the 90's movie and the two tv movies basically take place in the modern day maybe showing HOW he became"the living legend of world war II"is a good idea

[Lazarus440]

AIM isn't as colorful as Hydra. and the average movie-goer doesn't know Baron Strucker from Colonel Sanders.
if they don't know then why the need to change?

[blades_shades]

It looks like we'll get a bit of both. It'll surely start off as a WWII flick possibly showing Cap's last battle in that ERA before becoming Frozen or sent through some time portal. Whatever. Maybe it'll be like Time After Time but with Cap. I'd go for that. I surely dont' want a pure WWII flick. I don't think it would work.

[Lazarus440]

i think the movie could be done in the same what the batman Begins was done, only more on the WWII stuff. but cap is know more for the man out of time stuff more then anything.

oh and to the people saying that the movie should be all in WWII because the last two movies were in the presents and they sucked and thats why the movie needs to be in the war. i say you're wrong, the last two movie sucked not because of the seting of the movie but because of the people makeing the movies. look at batman the last two movies before BB sucked and BB rocked and it had everything to do with the people makeing the movie.

[Muze]

if they don't know then why the need to change?

because i like Strucker and Hydra.

[Kmack]

The first beginning of the film should have Cap in WWII, then frozen, and wake up in the modern world with plenty of flashbacks. Which is probably what they are going to do:D

[Obi-Ron]

I could go for that.

[KingOfDreams]

I think it should be a two-parter. One movie for WWII and one movie for modern day. I did choose WWII in this poll, though...but now that I think about it, if there has to only be one movie than they should incorporate both elements in. Steve coping w/ modern living is a major theme of the comics so it should be in the movie as well.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

First one should be Cap's origin, show him an' Bucky fightin' Nazis then one final battle with th' Red Skull that leads to him bein' frozen, which's where part 2 should pick up.

It'd make th' fish outta water thing more impactful.

[Scarlet-Spider1]

It seem that I have to agree with KingofDreams and Wolverine25th very well....

I like KingofDreams idea that Captain America movie should have two-parter since it's pretty much long story about Captain America origin before fighting the Germans (I could say 1944 style).

I don't know about Bucky origin, but I like Bucky in The Ultimate Comics where he is infantyman for US Army 101st Airborne "Screaming Eagle."

[Darth Elektra]

i think the first one should take place during WWII; establish the origin of Cap and his archnemesis the Red Skull. and he could be unfrozen in the present for the sequel. he'd be found by SHIELD, be shown around the present by SHIELD agent Sam Wilson (actor Derek Luke), and be just getting situated when Hydra frees the Skull from his government cell (more like a pit and he's down there because he's just too hard to kill). Hydra and Baron Strucker (actor Mitch Pileggi) want the Red Skull to be their figurehead; since he unknowingly inspired the organization much like Cap inspired the creation of SHIELD. oh and Strucker's flackies would be Viper (actress Milla Jovovich), Dr Arnim Zola (actor Udo Kier), and a Hydra strong man/Red Skull-fanboy who is later named Crossbones (actor Andrew Bryniarski).

Thats a preety cool plot.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Ya know, Muze, that concept sounded very close to th' one I been toutin' on this board; 'cept I had Skull return in th' sequel to go after th' cosmic cube an' teamed Cap up with Agent-13.

[RAMORE]

love that idea muze

[Penguin]

WWII Cap

[CaptainCanada]

Cap adjusting to modern times/problems with plenty of flashbacks to WWII
That's the best route.

[sepharih]

This isn't really even an issue anymore since they've already said its going to be a man out of his time, fish out of water type flick.

I hadn’t heard that. Damnit...that really sucks.

Honestly, the film from 1990 demonstrated exactly why that’s really not a good idea. Before you ever even attempt to get into the “man out of his time” aspect of the character you really need to establish to the audience why this man is a living legend. The 1990’s film solution completely sidestepped this by only having him serve on one mission before he was frozen, covertly, so that very few even knew of his existence. I’m really not convinced that flashbacks are going to cut it.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

I hadn’t heard that. Damnit...that really sucks.

Honestly, the film from 1990 demonstrated exactly why that’s really not a good idea. Before you ever even attempt to get into the “man out of his time” aspect of the character you really need to establish to the audience why this man is a living legend. The 1990’s film solution completely sidestepped this by only having him serve on one mission before he was frozen, covertly, so that very few even knew of his existence. I’m really not convinced that flashbacks are going to cut it.
the plot of that movie had little to do with it sucking.
1) the movie was about 90 mins
2) the cast sucked
3) the sets and locations sucked
4) you could tell that they didn't put any money into the movie
5) the Acting
6) the stroy was week, after cap is unfrozen he runs around as steve rogers with the granddaughter of his long dead GF, and when he didn't do that they made bad jokes about him being from the 40's to show how time had changed.
7) Red skull wasn't done right
8) useing everything but his sheild to fight with.

the plot of a man out of his time has worked in meany other movies, books, and tv and that is what cap is know for most.

and to say that because one movie based on cap sucked so they should make the next one unlike that one is flaud logic. the 1990 movie was made cheaply and thats what it looked like on screen.

[3dman27]

Nazis

thats the ticket for caps movie:star:

[NinjaTurtleFan]

WWII and Nazis. Not Vietcong or modern American-villains.

[Dr. Fate]

Before you ever even attempt to get into the “man out of his time” aspect of the character you really need to establish to the audience why this man is a living legend.
True... very true.

[bulok]

Has anyone ever seen the movie Forever Young with Mel Gibson? That was kind of Capt. America-esque imo.

[Dr. Fate]

Has anyone ever seen the movie Forever Young with Mel Gibson? That was kind of Capt. America-esque imo.
Yeah, I've seen that one.

[Saved]

I was going to say Cap vs. Nazis as 1 film, and then the next one him adjusting. But, I like the Cap adjusting with lots of WW II flashbacks that lead to the return and battle with Red Skull.

[sepharih]

the plot of that movie had little to do with it sucking.
I disagree. I think it had a great deal to do with it. The entire foundation of the film was fundamentally flawed.

1) the movie was about 90 mins
2) the cast sucked
3) the sets and locations sucked
4) you could tell that they didn't put any money into the movie
5) the Acting
6) the stroy was week, after cap is unfrozen he runs around as steve rogers with the granddaughter of his long dead GF, and when he didn't do that they made bad jokes about him being from the 40's to show how time had changed.
7) Red skull wasn't done right
8) useing everything but his sheild to fight with.
You misunderstood me. I in no way meant to imply that that was the only thing wrong with the film. The flaws pervading that travesty are too many to name. These all stem from one overall problem, incompetent filmmaking. I think the decision to quickly leapfrog from the 40’s to the more modern era was simply another bad decision.

the plot of a man out of his time has worked in meany other movies, books, and tv and that is what cap is know for most.
I thought cap was most known for being a living legend, the hero of WWII.
Just because the man out of time aspect has worked in many other movies, books, and tv, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s an appropriate way to start this franchise off. As I said, before you even think about getting into that aspect I firmly believe that you need to spend time establishing that this man is literally a living legend. The audience won’t understand that if you A) take the road the 1990 film did, or B) have people know who he is in the film and react with awe, but fail to establish to the audience why they react this way around him.
A great screenwriter may be able to do it, and find some kind of a balance, but I think it’s a handicap that’s going to be difficult to work around. I think they’d be better off saving that aspect for future installments.

and to say that because one movie based on cap sucked so they should make the next one unlike that one is flaud logic.
......:huh:

...the 1990 film was a complete travesty...so the film in 2009 should be made like it? Is that what you’re suggesting? Sorry, but I think your logic is flawed.

the 1990 movie was made cheaply and thats what it looked like on screen.
You could have given Albert Pyun a 300 million dollar budget and he would have still produced an embarrassing schlockfest of a film. No amount of money overcomes the shortcomings of an incompetent filmmaker.

[Duncan MacLeod]

The first one should be completely set in WWII. His origin, his first battle with the Red Skull. No present day elements at all and no cliffhanger ending. About 10 or 15 years ago Marvel did a prestige format 4-issue origin story that would have made a fantastic Cap movie.

The second one should start at the end of WWII with the bomb and Cap being frozen and then found by Shield in the present. That's when to do the man out of time story. But let's establish Captain America as a legend first.

Just my $0.02

[CaptainCanada]

but fail to establish to the audience why they react this way around him.
Well, first, you relate his origin in flashback, and establish his heroic nature. Beyond that, the guy is from 1940s and woke up after more than 60 years on ice; that should be enough reason for people to be impressed to meet him.

It's impractical to do a whole movie set in World War II, because the transition to the 21st century is a known fact about Cap's backstory; place it at the end of a film, and you've essentially created an entire first ("first" implying financial success, and sequels, which is by no means a sure thing) film where the ending is known, which is a terrible idea. It's only after he gets to the 21st century that we arrive past the necessary stages of the plot, where what happens has some actual mystery.

Not to mention that, from a purely business/financial angle, period superhero/sci-fi films are traditionally abysmal performers.

[sepharih]

Well, first, you relate his origin in flashback, and establish his heroic nature. Beyond that, the guy is from 1940s and woke up after more than 60 years on ice; that should be enough reason for people to be impressed to meet him.The problem is that I don’t think a few flashbacks are going to cut it. Flashbacks are difficult enough to handle in a narrative because unless they’re done with the utmost care they tend to make the structure incredibly convoluted. It’s possible that some oscar worthy screenplay writer will find a way to do it, but I think you’re grossly underestimating the inherent difficulty.
Assuming that the first flashback you actually see would be his origin, to establish how he became this super soldier to start with, how do you then establish his heroic nature in the same flashback? I don’t think you really can. For that matter, how do you illustrate and convey Legendary status to someone with such a limited timeframe allotted to you to accomplish it in? I suppose someone could find a way to do it, but I still think it’s a severe handicap that’s going to give the screenwriter problems, and may very well lessen the films overall quality.
As for your “60 years on ice” comment, sure that’s one thing to be in awe of, but the point is that people should recognize him for more than just being a complete medical and scientific miracle. People should recognize him for being a bonafide legend and hero in his own right.

It's impractical to do a whole movie set in World War II, because the transition to the 21st century is a known fact about Cap's backstory; place it at the end of a film, and you've essentially created an entire first ("first" implying financial success, and sequels, which is by no means a sure thing) film where the ending is known, which is a terrible idea. It's only after he gets to the 21st century that we arrive past the necessary stages of the plot, where what happens has some actual mystery. Anyone who hadn’t been living under a rock since 1977 knew that Anakin was going to betray the Jedi order and become Darth Vader in Episode III. Popular opinion on the first two films notwithstanding, most people still seemed to love the movie.
Everyone, with the exception of utterly insane conspiracy theorists, knows what ultimately happened to the passengers on United 93, but that didn’t lessen the drama of the film.
Ever heard the saying that life is a road, not a destination? The same thing goes with drama and film in many respects. Besides:
1. I’m not sure that the majority of people who will see this film will actually know these details.
2. Another option was provided on this page as well. You could do this film and save his “death” and arrival in modern days for a sequel (assuming it was to happen at all).

Not to mention that, from a purely business/financial angle, period superhero/sci-fi films are traditionally abysmal performers. The only period superhero films that come to mind at the moment are The Shadow and The Phantom, and I don’t exactly think it was the fact that those were period pieces that gave them lackluster box office draws. Plus, they were both made in a time where superhero films were traditionally abysmal performers in general.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

The problem is that I don’t think a few flashbacks are going to cut it. Flashbacks are difficult enough to handle in a narrative because unless they’re done with the utmost care they tend to make the structure incredibly convoluted. It’s possible that some oscar worthy screenplay writer will find a way to do it, but I think you’re grossly underestimating the inherent difficulty.
Assuming that the first flashback you actually see would be his origin, to establish how he became this super soldier to start with, how do you then establish his heroic nature in the same flashback? I don’t think you really can. For that matter, how do you illustrate and convey Legendary status to someone with such a limited timeframe allotted to you to accomplish it in? I suppose someone could find a way to do it, but I still think it’s a severe handicap that’s going to give the screenwriter problems, and may very well lessen the films overall quality.
As for your “60 years on ice” comment, sure that’s one thing to be in awe of, but the point is that people should recognize him for more than just being a complete medical and scientific miracle. People should recognize him for being a bonafide legend and hero in his own right.

so because its hard to do just take the easy way out is that it, or is it that because "you" don't think there is any one that can do.

the thing is with the flash backs is, is that people will know that its a flash back seeing as it takes place in the 40's.


plus there are movies that have used the flash backs and it worked-

Highlander
Batman Begins

these are two movies that used flash backs and it worked.

but i find that this is all mood seeing as we know that the movie will be a man out of time story.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I would have the Captain taking on the Nazi`s during World War II,if this is done right,it might be one of the greatest Marvel films ever made.

[sepharih]

so because its hard to do just take the easy way out is that it, or is it that because "you" don't think there is any one that can do.
I’m for going the way which I feel would produce the best film, period. I’m not saying you definitively can’t do it well by setting it in the modern day with flashbacks. Anything is possible, but my point is that unless it’s done by a guy who REALLY knows what he’s doing it’s going to be a big complex inane mess, much like Ang Lee’s Hulk was for similar but different reasons. Again, I think you’re underestimating the inherent difficulty in structuring the film in such a manner.
Honestly, I enjoy David Goyer’s work for the most part, but I really don’t think he has what it takes to construct a well paced two plus hour narrative that does justice to Cap’s origin and living legend status and also brings him into the modern era with a general direction for him to go in. I can already imagine how incoherent that could end up being without a brilliant screenwriter at the table. In this case, less is more, and you’re better off keeping things more simple.

the thing is with the flash backs is, is that people will know that its a flash back seeing as it takes place in the 40's.
And? Flashbacks don’t just make a story convoluted because you may not be able to tell which timeframe your in currently, It’s more a matter of that, when a flashback goes on for an extended amount of time, it becomes easy to forget that you’re in a flashback at all, and it dilutes the central narrative. Take a screenwriting class and they’ll tell you straight up that flashbacks are a no-no for the most part.
If Cap’s WWII days are going to be told through flashbacks then it means, fairly certainly, that the focus of the film will be on his adapting to the modern days. I think that’s a bad idea. It would be better I think to focus in and establish his character during WWII so that we can both understand his living legend status and, perhaps more importantly, see things from his perspective when he finally *does* come to modern times. If you bring him into modern times too soon we also won’t get the full impact of how jarring an effect it must be on him.

plus there are movies that have used the flash backs and it worked-

Highlander
Batman Begins

these are two movies that used flash backs and it worked.
And you may notice that in Batman Begins case, (which Goyer also wrote) that the flashbacks are only used in the films earlier acts (exempting the brief segments concerning Bruce’s father). By the time his training with the league of shadows is complete the story keeps its focus entirely on Batman’s current course. It helped convey the idea of Bruce not knowing where to go or what path to follow.

And I really wouldn’t suggest using Highlander as an example of how to construct a film. Sure, I enjoy the movie and I think it’s pretty good for a cult 80’s b-movie, but I think we should set our standards a bit higher.

Understand, flashbacks do have their place in storytelling, but they’re still something you desperately want to avoid if at all possible.


but i find that this is all mood seeing as we know that the movie will be a man out of time story.
The point is far from moot since my submission is that, whether or not it *is* done as a man out of time story, doing so will be both problematic and, I feel, inferior to devoting an entire film to his days during WWII.
Also, has the script been finalized? Keep in mind that until production starts, and even during production for that matter, the script is in a constant state of flux. Even once the first draft is complete, revisions and rewrites are inevitable. Unless I missed something somewhere they haven’t even hired a director yet. Until production actually starts they could just as easily do a complete 180 and go the other way.

[the_ultimate_evil]

i still think a cap film will be very hard to do without forcing the whole america is the best on the film

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

i still think a cap film will be very hard to do without forcing the whole america is the best on the filmif you think thats what cap is about then you don't know much about him.

[sepharih]

^I don’t think that’s what he was implying, though I could be wrong. It seemed more to me like he was making the point that the filmmakers could spend two hours degenerating into yet another America saves the day and the rest of the world just stands their flabbergasted and in awe of how awesome we are, which is a decent point. Honestly though, that’s not really what I’m worried about.
Actually, considering the current political state we’re in, I’m more worried about this film being hijacked and turned into a two hour long piece of political criticism in which Cap basically tears the current administration a new one for their pious actions. Not that they don’t deserve it mind you, but I go to movies such as this to escape from said political climate.

Either way, it’s yet another reason why I think WWII is the best option.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

^I don’t think that’s what he was implying, though I could be wrong. It seemed more to me like he was making the point that the filmmakers could spend two hours degenerating into yet another America saves the day and the rest of the world just stands their flabbergasted and in awe of how awesome we are, which is a decent point. Honestly though, that’s not really what I’m worried about.
Actually, considering the current political state we’re in, I’m more worried about this film being hijacked and turned into a two hour long piece of political criticism in which Cap basically tears the current administration a new one for their pious actions. Not that they don’t deserve it mind you, but I go to movies such as this to escape from said political climate.

Either way, it’s yet another reason why I think WWII is the best option.i an with you on that, cap should be for whats right as he was ment to be.

[The_Hulk]

it should definitely be WWII with nazis..and maybe it could end with bucky dying and him being frozen to set up a 2nd movie.

[FVD]

Perhaps they should film two movies back to back ala Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest and At Worlds' End. That way we wouldn't have to wait forever for a sequel. They really should film that WWII origin film and have Cap's thawing out scene act as a cliffhanger or something.

[sepharih]

^Would rock, but it’ll never happen. Marvel’s pulling a big enough gambit as it is right now.

[Spider-Fan]

WWII for movie 1, and modern day for movie 2.

[jrpstarwars]

Captain America
http://linuxdidattica.org/docs/altre_scuole/msm_p/tic_palladio/2blet/fregolenti/kurt-angle.x300.jpg

It's true, it's damn true.

[3dman27]

Captain America
http://linuxdidattica.org/docs/altre_scuole/msm_p/tic_palladio/2blet/fregolenti/kurt-angle.x300.jpg

It's true, it's damn true.

OUCH!!!!

[jrpstarwars]

OUCH!!!!

What?

[3dman27]

angles bit was portraying an american olympic hero in the wwe thats why i said ouch at him playing cap

[Dr. Fate]

If they made a solo direct to DVD animated Captain America feature (like the Invincible Iron Man DVD) would you buy/watch it?

[Spider-Fan]

Definately. Cap is one of Marvel's most interesting characters. I wouldn't even hesitate to buy an animated feature about him.

[Jordacar]

I've always pictured the gritty Alistair MacLean-WWII action movie for Cap. But they could absolutely do the Christopher Nolan-esque jumbled flashback-riddled modern day narrative if they could pull it off.

[sepharih]

If they made a solo direct to DVD animated Captain America feature (like the Invincible Iron Man DVD) would you buy/watch it?

I'd totally go for that.

[3dman27]

If they made a solo direct to DVD animated Captain America feature (like the Invincible Iron Man DVD) would you buy/watch it?

now you're talking MY language:ninja:

[Cadetak4712]

I think its a bad idea to make one movie set in WW2 and then have the sequel set in modern time. It makes sense and sounds like a good idea to us because we are fans and already know the story. But to your average movie goer its going to seem weird. Imagine after seeing Saving Private Ryan the sequel had Tom Hank's character in the future? It would seem too weird right?

I think it should go like so:
1. Show his origin.
2. Show him on a few missions and have him interact with characters(but not too much screen time).
3. Do a Ultimate Avengers type sequence.
4. Have him get defrosted.

After that the rest of his WW2 experiences can be shown in flashback when its needed. The main appeal of Captain America is the "Man out of time" aspect...it will be the selling point for the film and will be the focus of the film.

[Dr. Fate]

Forgive me if this was covered before, but should the basis of the the film Cap's characterization be the mainstream Captain America or the alternate universe Ultimtes Captain America?

[fluffysellscars]

616 Cap, all the way. I have no desire to see Millar's jerk version of Captain America running around killing indiscriminately, nor do I wish to see Bucky alive and well as an old man. Stick with the version that made Cap a popular character in the first place.

[3dman27]

mainstream cap

[Dr. Fate]

Alrighty then. Should Captain America's love life be an issue in the film or should they actually downplay that?

[laytonc32]

I have a gut feeling that they will not make a Captain America movie and instead make an Avengers Movie with Captain America, Thor and several others in it. Could center the movie around Captain America like X-Men films were centered around Wolverine. I would also skip Red Skull. I would go with Baron Zemo and the Masters of Evil. Zemo is a much easier character to do.

[CaptainStacy]

WWII.

A Cap sequel or an Avengers movie can deal with him waking up in the modern world.

[Spider-Fan]

I think its a bad idea to make one movie set in WW2 and then have the sequel set in modern time. It makes sense and sounds like a good idea to us because we are fans and already know the story. But to your average movie goer its going to seem weird. Imagine after seeing Saving Private Ryan the sequel had Tom Hank's character in the future? It would seem too weird right?

I think it should go like so:
1. Show his origin.
2. Show him on a few missions and have him interact with characters(but not too much screen time).
3. Do a Ultimate Avengers type sequence.
4. Have him get defrosted.

After that the rest of his WW2 experiences can be shown in flashback when its needed. The main appeal of Captain America is the "Man out of time" aspect...it will be the selling point for the film and will be the focus of the film.

Difference. There is no set up for Hank's character to wake up in modern times. In a Cap WWII movie, I am most definately sure they would set it up. Possibly end with someone saying something like "What is this" and then getting a close up of Cap in his frozen state. Sets up Captain America 2 very nicely.

As I always say, doing it in 2 movies makes the man out of time aspect only better. You establish Cap and the Red Skull as men of the 40's better by doing a movie about that, and a sequel dedicated to showing how both men view the new world and their on going struggle is only enhanced when you get more time to cover it.

[Cadetak4712]

It would depend on how the do it I guess...but it would still seem weird like I said imagine a sequel to Saving Private Ryan where Tom Hanks gets unfrozen. It would seem weird, a gimmick, and ruin the first movie.

I guess it would also depend on if its going to be more of a "Superhero movie" or a "WW2 movie".

But seriously there is no way that they will make a two back to back films. Marvel will make it all into one film and the selling point of the film will be the Man out of time aspect because if you don't have that idea from the beginning the whole movie will just be an action movie but with a super-hero.

The Man out of Time aspect is central to the character...before that all he basically did was kill nazi's and was a walking advertisement. Everything that happened in WW2 is basically backstory. Hell when Marvel made the Ultimate line they did only a few pages of the WW2 stuff.

I think the y will focus on WW2 for the same amount of time they spent on Bruce before he became Batman.

[Spider-Fan]

It would depend on how the do it I guess...but it would still seem weird like I said imagine a sequel to Saving Private Ryan where Tom Hanks gets unfrozen. It would seem weird, a gimmick, and ruin the first movie.

I guess it would also depend on if its going to be more of a "Superhero movie" or a "WW2 movie".

But seriously there is no way that they will make a two back to back films. Marvel will make it all into one film and the selling point of the film will be the Man out of time aspect because if you don't have that idea from the beginning the whole movie will just be an action movie but with a super-hero.

The Man out of Time aspect is central to the character...before that all he basically did was kill nazi's and was a walking advertisement. Everything that happened in WW2 is basically backstory. Hell when Marvel made the Ultimate line they did only a few pages of the WW2 stuff.

I think the y will focus on WW2 for the same amount of time they spent on Bruce before he became Batman.

Saving Private Ryan and Captain America is a very poor comparison. Sorry man, but it is. SPR is a WWII epic, Cap is a superhero movie with WWII as a setting. Big difference. Not even remotely close.

The man out of time aspect of Cap is the best part of him. However, it is not the only part of him. WWII is a huge part of his history. Making that a brief 40 minutes and the modern day a brief (I'll be generous) 80 minutes is not as effective because that 40 min used to set up a future event, and short changing another important part of the character's history. People seem to think WWII is just a tedious detail in Cap's history, but it is a necessary part of his character and needs to be elaborated on.

You can do a lot with Cap in a WWII movie. The Super Soldier Serum, how the Axis view Cap as just propaganda, how the US soldiers see him in the same light until they go into action with him. There is a whole lot you can do. What they did in the Ultimates worked in the comic, but for a movie to effectively convey the man out of time aspect, we need to understand him. Doing it Ultimate style doesn't do that.

I doubt we will get two movies for Cap's origin, but he is a character who's origin is best told in two parts. It enhances everything about him. Alsoi, for those who say a Cap 2 is not a definite, so we may only get one. Cap has a lot of general popularity for a comic character not named Spider-Man, Superman, or Batman. He will do well enough to warant a sequel.

[MarvelXI]

I think they should begin the story with people who work for the goverment ( I don´t say shield because Nick Fury will has his own movie) founding him then the movie shows a flashback of his origin, what will be reviled later as his dream but they don´t show Red Skull and the fight that will kept for later.
For me honestly a movie in the WW2 era and then a sequel in modern era wouldn´t work because that would confuse some people who doesn´t know caps story.

PS: i think Micheal Bay is the best man to direct this movie

[InkSlinger]

I think we all pretty much want to see the original Captain America and his origin, but considering most of us were introduced to Cap when he was found floating in an ice chunk (by the early Avengers) I think that's how the movie should start. Only not with Avengers/superheroes.
He is found by a Navy carrier and brought aboard where his military I.D. scrambles top brass to the ship, top security. One or more of the brass know who Captain America is/was, as they were teenage soldiers who saw him in action/service. That's when the flashback to his origin begins and the story of his legend gets told. As the story unfolds, you get back and forth cuts from the flashback story to the present showing the ice melting.
Eventually, after the origin (being recounted between the brass, because he is still classified) and a number of kick-butt action war scenes, the story of his disapperance is told, bringing us to the present, by which time a lot of ice has been melted off of him. They are all standing around him remembering what this man meant to them then. One of them says there'll never be another one like him. That's when his eyes open and they all stop dead in their tracks, staring at him. "Call the President!"

Something like that.

[Spider-Fan]

I think they should begin the story with people who work for the goverment ( I don´t say shield because Nick Fury will has his own movie) founding him then the movie shows a flashback of his origin, what will be reviled later as his dream but they don´t show Red Skull and the fight that will kept for later.
For me honestly a movie in the WW2 era and then a sequel in modern era wouldn´t work because that would confuse some people who doesn´t know caps story.

PS: i think Micheal Bay is the best man to direct this movie

MICHAEL BAY!!! YUCK! HE IS ONE OF THE WORST DIRECTOR'S OUT THERE! ALL VISUALS NO SUBSTANCE (WHY TRANSFORMERS WILL SUCK)!!!!!!

I can't vomit enough over his mention. Didn't we see enough of his WWII take in the horrendous Pearl Harbor?

Please be joking. That is a horrible suggestion.

Michael Bay, EWWWW!

Also, how is a WWII Cap movie then a modern day one confusing? We seem to think people watching movies are stupid, but they are not. You tell the story, they will get it. Why do we constantly say we have to settle for less because we think people are stupid? It is a wrong attitude.

[BRUTAL]

MICHAEL BAY!!! YUCK! HE IS ONE OF THE WORST DIRECTOR'S OUT THERE! ALL VISUALS NO SUBSTANCE (WHY TRANSFORMERS WILL SUCK)!!!!!!

I can't vomit enough over his mention. Didn't we see enough of his WWII take in the horrendous Pearl Harbor?

Please be joking. That is a horrible suggestion.

Michael Bay, EWWWW!

Also, how is a WWII Cap movie then a modern day one confusing? We seem to think people watching movies are stupid, but they are not. You tell the story, they will get it. Why do we constantly say we have to settle for less because we think people are stupid? It is a wrong attitude.

Ghost Rider being #1 = Yeah, modern movie-goers are stupid...

[Spider-Fan]

Ghost Rider being #1 = Yeah, modern movie-goers are stupid...

I saw Ghost Rider. I thought it was good. Flawed but good. Am I stupid?

The only way people don't understand a story is if the movie is extremely artsy and complicated (doesn't happen to me, but I know people it happens to).

[BRUTAL]

I saw Ghost Rider. I thought it was good. Flawed but good. Am I stupid?

Yup

[MarvelXI]

MICHAEL BAY!!! YUCK! HE IS ONE OF THE WORST DIRECTOR'S OUT THERE! ALL VISUALS NO SUBSTANCE (WHY TRANSFORMERS WILL SUCK)!!!!!!

I can't vomit enough over his mention. Didn't we see enough of his WWII take in the horrendous Pearl Harbor?

Please be joking. That is a horrible suggestion.

Michael Bay, EWWWW!

Also, how is a WWII Cap movie then a modern day one confusing? We seem to think people watching movies are stupid, but they are not. You tell the story, they will get it. Why do we constantly say we have to settle for less because we think people are stupid? It is a wrong attitude.

For me Michael Bay is one of the best directors of all time I liked his Bad Boys movies and the Island.
Cap and Pearl Harbour are base on the world war 2 era but have different storys, I´m sure he is the right guy to direct this film and that Transformers will be great. Steven Spielberg is one of the executive producer another reason why this movie will be one of the best in the year.

I´m not saying that people who watching movies are stupid I only saying that some people who doesn´t know the story of cap and think that he only fights nazis in WW2 wouldn´t understand why he is in our time when they see the second movie. They would take the film to serious and thinking it is impossible that someone could survive in ice so many years.
I know many people who yhink like that trust me

[chiefchirpa]

I want to/rather see Modern Cap, but with current developments in the Mid East I think it's a safer bet to have Cap premiere movie set in WW2.

[Britannia]

All sound good except that I think the film should be; Captain America joins in a Team with Captain Britain and toghether with President ???? and Her Majesty The Queen behind them they take a fight against the growing muslim forces all over the world. Then the second film the nazi idea.

[Memphis Slim]

First one should be Cap's origin, show him an' Bucky fightin' Nazis then one final battle with th' Red Skull that leads to him bein' frozen, which's where part 2 should pick up.

It'd make th' fish outta water thing more impactful.



That's what I was thinking!! Let the sequel be the "found in ice" movie.

[Memphis Slim]

All sound good except that I think the film should be; Captain America joins in a Team with Captain Britain and toghether with President ???? and Her Majesty The Queen behind them they take a fight against the growing muslim forces all over the world. Then the second film the nazi idea.



You didn't just say that on these boards did you??? :dry:

[Spider-Fan]

For me Michael Bay is one of the best directors of all time I liked his Bad Boys movies and the Island.
Cap and Pearl Harbour are base on the world war 2 era but have different storys, I´m sure he is the right guy to direct this film and that Transformers will be great. Steven Spielberg is one of the executive producer another reason why this movie will be one of the best in the year.

I´m not saying that people who watching movies are stupid I only saying that some people who doesn´t know the story of cap and think that he only fights nazis in WW2 wouldn´t understand why he is in our time when they see the second movie. They would take the film to serious and thinking it is impossible that someone could survive in ice so many years.
I know many people who yhink like that trust me

Michael Bay is the wrong director for anything.

As for him in today's world, why would that be a hard explanation? You see him land in the artic, and end the movie in the present day with something to the effect of "look at this" and you see Cap in a suspended state. Cliffhanger=people filling the seats for Captain America 2. Not hard, I just did it in a few seconds. Audiences would buy it. No one on these forums has ever given a good reason they wouldn't, just like how people can't give me good reasons people won't buy a humanoid Galactus.

[Myrddin_Emrys]

Hmm a cap film in modern day with the current climate could be very well done and thought provoking.

I would like to see flash backs of cap in war time USA filled with boy scout intentions and apple pie, where the U.S is considered the savior of the world and then to modern day where he is struggling to fit in a modern terrorist civilisation where he struggles with the notion of America not being the most populer of countries at this present time, and finding it hard to fit in.
Something along these lines could be awesome if done right.

[MarvelXI]

Spider-Fan930, the only thing that I can say you is that one thing that some people want to see in the movies is that they would be ithe movie and see some realism, movies like this isn´t only made for the fans, it is made for everybody who are interesd to see the movie many of them thionk to serious.

[daywalker2007]

stephen spielberg is the only guy to do captain america

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

First movie in WW2 and the next one in current day would be sweet.

At least we'd get a better idea of how the old times were for him.

Besides, Cap never owning nazis on screen just doesn't sound right. :woot:

[Spider-Fan]

Spider-Fan930, the only thing that I can say you is that one thing that some people want to see in the movies is that they would be ithe movie and see some realism, movies like this isn´t only made for the fans, it is made for everybody who are interesd to see the movie many of them thionk to serious.

This is a movie about a guy who was experimented on by the gov't, became super strong/agile, and was frozen in time until today. This is not a realistic movie, and a non-realistic movie can STILL BE SERIOUS. If you want a realistic war movie, go watch Saving Private Ryan or something like that. This is a superhero flick with WWII in it. Superhero movies can be serious (see BB). Don't judge the way the movies are made by camp like FF.

[Spider-Fan]

stephen spielberg is the only guy to do captain america

Oh, that would be sweet. I doubt it will ever happen, but if he directed a Cap movie, I would be super hyped.

[3dman27]

Oh, that would be sweet. I doubt it will ever happen, but if he directed a Cap movie, I would be super hyped.

second the motion

[MarvelXI]

I´m not saying that I want a realistic movie I´m just saying that many people want to much and more realistic for a movie.
I´m a fantasy freak.
I love fantasy, one of my favourite games is final fantasy.
The only thing that I have understand is that much people aren´t interest in movies that doesn´t seems realistic.
Thats one of the reasons why Ghost Rider wasn´t a hugh success.
I don´t have seen the movie yet but I have spoken with many people and they have said the same thing.
Captain America has for me everything to seen realistic, like Iron Man.
But Again I´m NOT one of this serious guys, I LOVE FANTASY

[Brian Braddock]

If anyone wants to see Nazis getting owned by Cap - then you might have to forget about the idea of Speilberg as director.

He recently said in an interview (in one of the big film mags, can't recall exactly, Empire maybe?) when asked about who the bad guys would be in Indy 4 , that his days of using the Nazis as the bad guys in his films are gone.

He exorcised that demon with Schindlers List and considers it kinda passe anyway - whethjer or not he'd be prepared to go back on that is anyones guess but you'd think the use of Nazis in a Cap film would be kinda mandatory. They go hand in hand.

Would he desire to direct Cap enough to make an exeption? Or would he do only do it if they didnt focus on WW2 and the Nazis?


Personally, I'd like to see it. Everyime I watch the beginning of Hellboy, I imagine Cap beating on the Germans in that scene.

[Mr Jide]

I share your sentiments Benitez.

[dexterslab1976]

maybe i am not just a big captain america fan, but i think they need to redo alot about him. i mean how many soldiers wear a red, white, and blue uniform into battle. also how about the big A on his forehead. i think that would make a great target. to make a good movie, they need to make were people can relate a little bit to the character, and i dont see that happening with the way cap. is right now. :batman:

[CaptainCanada]

i mean how many soldiers wear a red, white, and blue uniform into battle.
Not many, that's the whole point.

[Dr. Fate]

Have we discussed the idea of Steven Spielberg directing Captain America?

[Spider-Fan]

I´m not saying that I want a realistic movie I´m just saying that many people want to much and more realistic for a movie.
I´m a fantasy freak.
I love fantasy, one of my favourite games is final fantasy.
The only thing that I have understand is that much people aren´t interest in movies that doesn´t seems realistic.
Thats one of the reasons why Ghost Rider wasn´t a hugh success.
I don´t have seen the movie yet but I have spoken with many people and they have said the same thing.
Captain America has for me everything to seen realistic, like Iron Man.
But Again I´m NOT one of this serious guys, I LOVE FANTASY

You do know that Ghost Rider is the biggest movie of the year thus far, right? It is doing pretty well.

I must say, this mentality that movies have to be realistic for people to like it is stupid. The whole genre we are adapting is FANTASY BASED! Why do people think it is a bad idea to try and adapt properly. If you gave the audience the chance to enjoy the concept for what it is, then they would. Realistic doesn't equal great nor audience appealing. Solid writing, acting, and directing often times do. That is what Cap needs, not some stupid realistic approach.

[Cyrusbales]

Well I think a flashback style should be used heavily, hardcore gritty war scenes, then comparisons with his life in modern times. So we only get the full story by the end of the film as everything slots into place.

[Mr Jide]

What do you think of Clint Eastwood directing?

[Dr. Fate]

What do you think of Clint Eastwood directing?
Interesting...

[Spider-Fan]

What do you think of Clint Eastwood directing?

Would love it if he did it too. I found his Iwo Jima movies to be amazing, and I still feel Letters From Iwo Jima was the best movie of last year.

[Savage]

Clint Eastwood would be a great director for this movie. Awesome alternative to Steven Speilberg like everyone's been wanting since they saw Saving Private Ryan. :up:

And the movie should take place in both eras. I don't see why it can't. I mean most comic book movies allow 40 minutes to an hour for the origin to take place anyway so I don't see the problem here. What company has the Captain America rights right now and do they own Nick Fury as well?

What I'm getting at here is that SHEILD could be the ones to thaw him out. If not then there's always the route of setting Cap's entire movie in WW2 but then having the Avengers thaw him out in their movie. Either works for me as long as I get to see Cap kick ass.

[Justice Bringer]

First film: Nazis

Sequel: Adjusting to changing times!

[Orko Is King]

WWII for the first movie and modern day in the 2nd.

[daywalker2007]

Steven Spielberg is the man for the job or Alfonso Quaron (Children of men)

the detail and realism of the scenes in Children in Men is on a par with Saving private ryan, if not even better.

I think Quaron has the courage to do a great movie, like Spielberg

[blind_fury]

Cuaron directing + Matt Damon as Cap + set during WWII = awesome movie

[Spider-Fan]

I gotta admit....Children of Men was great. Cuaron would be a good choice. This movie has a ton of potential, I just hope they put some talent around it like they have with Iron Man (not sure about John as the director yet, but they have a talented cast).

[daywalker2007]

the premise of the matt salinger captain america movie was quite good,
but executed poorly

a captain america movie will be awesome when done correctly

i still think Spielberg might want to give it a shot.

He was going to do Superman but due to fate he didnt end up doing it,

Its about time we see a Spielberg comic book adaptation

come on !

[Rage]

First off...Matt Damon is not Captain America...he's to small. John Cena cannot act. The perfect looking actor is a no name and couldn't carry a movie like this (according to execs) Matthew Mcconaughey is a big enough guy to play cap...and a big enough star to carry a movie.

Second off...Clint Eastwood is an awesome director...but his style would not work on a Super hero movie. He gives his actors...3 takes...THAT'S IT!! He films the backgrounds the way they are that day with no worry about continuity. He makes AWESOME movies...but his style and his patients...couldn't handle a huge budget comic book/Green screen special effects movie. Steven Speilberg will not do a movie that "makes light" of the Nazis...so he might do it...but I doubt that he would.

I suggest someone like David Franke. He's a rather unknown director who has done somework in TV and for HBO. His credits include: Band of Brothers. Rome. Entourage. Sex and the City. The Devil Wears Prada.
Marvel hasn't attracted any A list directors...so why think that Speilberg or Ridley Scott or Clint Eastwood would do it. Cuaron is also an interesting choice. He's done Prinsoner of Askaban too...but his schedule is booked up to 2009 according to imbd.com

Rage

[Rage]

As far as the actual question posed at the beginning of this thread...I voted for a WWII epic. I think that they should adapt (loosly) the 90s mini-series Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty by Fabian Nicieza & Kevin Maguire
http://www.thecomicshop.com.au/covers/postersandprints/poster-captainamerica02.jpg
it is a four issue story that follows Steve Rogers from skinny wimp...to becoming the living icon!! That is what I would love to see. A Saving Private Ryan/Band of Brothers...dirty and realstic looking.

And if they did that...I think that the Ultimate Captain America Costume would really look cool on screen...
http://tienda.dreamers.com/imagenes/43666.jpg

with some tweeking to the story, Cap could end up falling off the rocket into the Atlantic Ocean and freezing...and the cliffhanger ending would be SHIELD finding him frozen in the ice at the end.

Rage

[Rage]

If people/Marvel really wants the man out of time storyline...they should start the movie off (pre-credits) with a scene like the beginning of Ultimates, where Cap is leading a bunch of troops on an assault of a secret Nazi base. That way you can show him in battle and the awe of the troops and the fear that he demands from his foes. That scene could run for 15-20 mins of battle and action with Cap falling off the exploding missile into the cold artic/atlantic ocean...fade to opening credits/music.

When we start fading back in from credits we see the scientific team discussing Captain America and his unique history...so we learn some of his history there (and have a frame of reference from the opening scene) Cap wake up with cap and he is freaking out and confused (much like the Ultimate Avengers DVD movie) and he takes off into Manhatten. There while trying to fit in...we find the man out of time coming to grips with the fact this is America...in the future. He learns about the vietnam war, Watergate, 911, Iraq etc and comes to the conclusion that the world has changed and left him and his ideals far behind.

Nick Fury tracks him down and convinces him that America indeed needs him more than ever...

Rage

[Spider-Fan]

Cap does not need to be played by a really tall guy, much like Jackman played Wolverine, and he ain't short. Damon has the name, and would handle the material very well.

[Orko Is King]

As far as the actual question posed at the beginning of this thread...I voted for a WWII epic. I think that they should adapt (loosly) the 90s mini-series Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty by Fabian Nicieza & Kevin Maguire
http://www.thecomicshop.com.au/covers/postersandprints/poster-captainamerica02.jpg

it is a four issue story that follows Steve Rogers from skinny wimp...to becoming the living icon!! That is what I would love to see. A Saving Private Ryan/Band of Brothers...dirty and realstic looking.

And if they did that...I think that the Ultimate Captain America Costume would really look cool on screen...
http://www.beyondhollywood.com/moviepics4/ultimate-avengers-movie-1.jpg

with some tweeking to the story, Cap could end up falling off the rocket into the Atlantic Ocean and freezing...and the cliffhanger ending would be SHIELD finding him frozen in the ice at the end.

Rage

YES YES YES! I was thinking the very same thing as you!

[Jordacar]

Everyone always focuses on the whole man-out-of-time theme, but I think they should do the WWII origin story for the first film, because with that they could explore an aspect of Cap that we haven't seen for a long time: the Birth of a Living Legend.

Then maybe they could do what Rage suggested, which is tease the sequel with SHIELD discovering Cap in the ice.

[Rage]

Cap does not need to be played by a really tall guy, much like Jackman played Wolverine, and he ain't short. Damon has the name, and would handle the material very well.

I think there is a big difference between using a tall actor in a heroic role playing a shorter character...than vice versa.

Cap is tall and imposing...like Superman. You can't cast him as a 5'8" actor unless the rest of the cast are played by Umpaloompa :D

I like Matt Damon...just not as Cap. There are better options out there....one of which I suggested Matthew Mcconaughey is almost perfect.

He is taller
He is built and can put on more muscle
Both he and Damon have accents...both very american...neither NY where Cap is from...and neither has done a decent job of losing their accents on film (Boston vs. Texas)
He has starred in action movies before (Reign of Fire, Sarhara)
Has bulked up for movies (reign of fire)

http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/MattDamon/Ben_400.jpg

Here is a picture of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck standing next to each other. Ben is 6'3" (I believe) which is about the right height for cap...now look at how small Matt is compared to him...I just don't see him being able to pull of Captain America at that height. IMHO

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/ocean_s_twelve/_group_photos/brad_pitt4.jpg

Here he is next to another favourite on this forum...Brad Pitt...notice that he only comes up to Brad's brow (no to mention that his feet are hidden) His size is all wrong for the role...hi proportions are all wrong (head to torso)

Rage

[Spider-Fan]

All you would have to do with Damon is not cast people that are much taller than him. Not really a big deal, many movies have done that in the past.

[Rage]

So you limit the casting options of the other stars of the movie to accomodate Matt Damon? What if they could sign someone really bad ass as the Red Skull like (Clint Eastwood) but because of the height difference it would cause a problem? Would you shoot it Lord of the RIngs style and use boxes and camera tricks?

Captain America isn't Spiderman...he isn't a runt anymore...he is the peak of human perfection...tall, built like a brick ****house and Matt Damon is not those things.

I would have no problem with Matt Damon playing Hawkeye or Moon Knight or Daredevil for that matter. Heck, he can play any number of comic characters...but Captain America (like Superman) demands a physicallity and build that Damon does not have.

Rage

[Dr. Fate]

Stupid question - who should Captain America's love interest be?

[blind_fury]

Spider-man isn't a runt either. I've always thought Spidey had more of a Topher Grace lean extomorphic bodytype than short, runtish Maguire bodytype.

But back on topic. Captain America should be the ideal supersoldier. So yes Damon is too short.

[Spider-Fan]

So you limit the casting options of the other stars of the movie to accomodate Matt Damon? What if they could sign someone really bad ass as the Red Skull like (Clint Eastwood) but because of the height difference it would cause a problem? Would you shoot it Lord of the RIngs style and use boxes and camera tricks?

Captain America isn't Spiderman...he isn't a runt anymore...he is the peak of human perfection...tall, built like a brick ****house and Matt Damon is not those things.

I would have no problem with Matt Damon playing Hawkeye or Moon Knight or Daredevil for that matter. Heck, he can play any number of comic characters...but Captain America (like Superman) demands a physicallity and build that Damon does not have.

Rage

Damon could get more muscle. It is called excersise. Also, Damon doesn't need to look like 6 inches taller than the next person. Just don't cast people that tower him. Plenty of actors 5"10 or smaller can do this movie. 5"10 really isn't that small. I would gladly sacrafice a few inches of height for a quality actor. Damon is one of the top actors out there. None of the other suggestions in this or any thread about Cap is even in the same league of acting as Damon.

Also, Eastwood as the Red Skull? Umm, I'd say no to that very quickly.

[cryptic name]

maybe i am not just a big captain america fan, but i think they need to redo alot about him. i mean how many soldiers wear a red, white, and blue uniform into battle. also how about the big A on his forehead. i think that would make a great target. to make a good movie, they need to make were people can relate a little bit to the character, and i dont see that happening with the way cap. is right now. :batman:

he dresses that way for a reason. not only is he a symbol, and in a way a PR move for the military, but he wants his foes to see him coming. to look over the battlefield and think 'oh, s**t. it's Captain America'

[Artistsean]

Well Hollywood has been doing it for years, making the lead actor look much bigger and taller than he realy is. They do it with Tom Cruse and they did it all the time with Silvester Stalone, and I bet there are more too.
Also Damon was great in Borne Identity and Supremacy, he could bulk up and do action easily. Plus he is a great actor, so he wouldn't have the problem some have in convincing the audiance that it was Steve Rogers on screen and not Matt Damon (cough) Halle Berry (cough) Nick Cage (cough) Ben Afleck (cough)
I would rather see him as Daredevil but I think he might make an alright Captain America. But maybe there are some other actors out there who might be better.

I also have no problem with them having Captain America dress the the way he does in the comic, as long as they make his uniform the way John Cassidy drew it or the way the Perkins draws it now. Meaning that the blue chainmail on his chest are very defined (not like the original Cap movie), that his mask is sort of Batman molded to have more like a helmet look.
GOOD
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/good.jpg

Bad
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/bad.jpg
And for the movie, much like the horrible original, I say start it out with a short scene of WWII. (and in his Original Costume and with his Original Shield.)
Then have him get unthwad in the modern times, and then move into the story. The movie can sort of be about patriotism today or something, or maybe just about Captain America coping with the life he left behind and how he feels out of touch and out of time. Maybe even splice in some flash backs.
(I also think that the people who unthaw Steve Rogers should be employees of Stark Industries. It should be Stark Industries that thawed him out and it taking care of him. It could even be mentioned that Stark wants him to be mentally and physically ready to join the team.
I would also like Jarvis, the Avenger's buttler, to be someone for Cap to talk to like he did in that Scott Kollins illustraited Avengers book. That was awesome.)

Then in Captain America 2 hav it be the story of "Bucky" Barnes. Have the villian Baron Zemo emerge (actually his son) and reveal more about Cap's past. About how Bucky was his side kick, a young soldier who helped Cap on missions and was killed (or presumed dead) in an explosion that also was thought to have killed Baron Zemo.

And in Captain America 3 it could even have some more, or less, Flash backs. Or Captain America 3 could have Cap join the Avengers.

[Rage]

Damon could get more muscle. It is called excersise. Also, Damon doesn't need to look like 6 inches taller than the next person. Just don't cast people that tower him. Plenty of actors 5"10 or smaller can do this movie. 5"10 really isn't that small. I would gladly sacrafice a few inches of height for a quality actor. Damon is one of the top actors out there. None of the other suggestions in this or any thread about Cap is even in the same league of acting as Damon.

Also, Eastwood as the Red Skull? Umm, I'd say no to that very quickly.


Why is Matt Damon the only actor who can play this role? You want a short actor who needs to bulk up and is a top actor in movies today? How about Jude Law? I see way more Captain America in Jude Law (facially) He's a better actor and all he needs is 5" of height to Matt's 8"

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Heck...even Gwenyth is taller than the both of them.

You talk about Damon as if he's Pacino or Deniro...but he's not that great of an actor. Why pick him and limit your cast's height when there are other options out there...that can make everything much easier? Elijah Wood is a fine actor...why not cast him and bulk him up? I know I'm being a bit of an @ss...but I am just trying to explain how your arguement doesn't make any sense to me. I actually like Matt Damon...but he is totally wrong for this role. Just because he can kick some @ss as Jason Bourne and you've seen him in war movies as a soldier doesn't mean that he can pull off Captain America.

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[Hades]

A Captain American movie would be sweet.

I think for a better overall movie, it would probably be better to have him in the past for the first half and then him in current times for the rest. It would be more cinamtic and more emotional and what not. Then maybe for a sequel or something have most of the movie revolve around his past being told more in depth through flashbacks perhaps.

[Spider-Fan]

Why is Matt Damon the only actor who can play this role? You want a short actor who needs to bulk up and is a top actor in movies today? How about Jude Law? I see way more Captain America in Jude Law (facially) He's a better actor and all he needs is 5" of height to Matt's 8"

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Heck...even Gwenyth is taller than the both of them.

You talk about Damon as if he's Pacino or Deniro...but he's not that great of an actor. Why pick him and limit your cast's height when there are other options out there...that can make everything much easier? Elijah Wood is a fine actor...why not cast him and bulk him up? I know I'm being a bit of an @ss...but I am just trying to explain how your arguement doesn't make any sense to me. I actually like Matt Damon...but he is totally wrong for this role. Just because he can kick some @ss as Jason Bourne and you've seen him in war movies as a soldier doesn't mean that he can pull off Captain America.

Rage

I am not saying he is the only guy for the role, just the the leaps and bounds best suggestion at this point. Damon would be about what Pacino and DeNiro WERE in the older days at this point in his career(along with DiCaprio). Damon is easily one of the most talented actors of this generation. McConaughey or Lewis would probably be the second best suggestions thus far, but neither of those two are as talented as Damon is.

Like I said before, he can bulk up and be made to look taller. I would gladly give up a few inches to have someone as talented as Damon is in the movie.

[Savage]

Something I've come to realize is this is a Marvel movie that can really benefit from a lengthy run-time. I mean one similar to the Hulk. 2 hours and 30 minutes is plenty of time to get in both the WWII and modern day stuff without it seeming rushed.

[Cyrusbales]

2 hour movie would work I think, they would have enough time to do both the WW2 and present day, and tie it together nicely, without losing the audience with a long run time, which tends not to help comic book movies lately, hulk and SR are examples(altho i like SR).

I don't think this should be a patriotic movie though, the last thing the world wants is a 'we are great, we are america' movie.

Something where Cap analyses where america has gone wrong since his days would be good, "I may be captain america, but I stand for justice" so he can fight the hypocracy, but a more like ultimate cap would be good, where he is badass, but with a heart of gold still.

If the hwole film is about how good america is, it's worldwide sales will be non existant.

[Savage]

Yeah, with this movie obviously getting a worldwide release and all I think the patriotism should be toned down quite a bit so it doesn't isolate the rest of the world.

I don't think the movie should be an hour in WWII and a half hour in the modern world and another half dealing with the threat. Just feels too rushed in my opinion. I'd like for the movie to go into him being a skinny kid from Brooklyn that got picked on all the time and his love for his country and wanting to defend it. Time to introduce Bucky Barnes as his best friend and partner and maybe introduce a love interest from back then. This way there can really be an emphasis on what he lost during all those years. Friends, family, love. And it would make it even more ironic and even painful when the one thing that follows him into the future is the evil he's had to deal with (Red Skull or whoever they decide to go with).

Also I just want Bucky in there with enough time to develop and establish him at least halfway so in a sequel he can be fleshed out some more through flashback and have it be revealed that he didn't really die in the explosion but literally and figuratively blown in the opposite direction that Steve was.

[Cyrusbales]

I think we should have two timelines, the WW2 and the present day, and the audience goes through both journeys throughout the film, so it's like 2 films interwoven, where a revelation in the WW2 storyline relates directly to the present day storyline, for example Red Skull.

This is one of the few comic book movies I wouldn't mind directing, and I'm british, go figure!

[Savage]

Huh. That sounds pretty awesome. Finding clues in the past. :up:

[Cyrusbales]

if you think about it, being frozen for years would leave you a little messed up..... lol

I don't want the whole super high tech shield thing, a gov research centre or something perhaps, nothing too out there, so it keeps the whole thing in current day and grounded in realism, as Cap is one superhero who can't push into surrealism very well

[Spider-Fan]

Patriotism needs to play a role in this movie, but I agree that it shouldn't be a very America > everyone else movie. Cap being used to get people into the army out of patriotism is a must, however. There is a fine line to walk in the patriotism area.

If the movie was around 2 hr. 30 min, then I'd say go for both timelines, but I don't want them to intend it that way then do a 1hr 45min - 2hr movie about it. I think you sell one of the timelines short in that fashion (probably the WWII one), where as 1hr - 1hr 15min for each timeline would be appropriate. I think 1hr on WWII at the least is essential. People seem to view WWII as a throw away inconvenience, when it is a central part of Cap's character and understanding him. We can't do this Ultimates style. That would throw away one of the central eras of Cap's history out of the window.

[Rage]

I think we should have two timelines, the WW2 and the present day, and the audience goes through both journeys throughout the film, so it's like 2 films interwoven, where a revelation in the WW2 storyline relates directly to the present day storyline, for example Red Skull.

This is one of the few comic book movies I wouldn't mind directing, and I'm british, go figure!

If they were to do it this way...I picture it like Lost. The majority of the action is in the present day, with the flashbacks put in to reinforce the present day storyline. That would work well.

I do think that if you are going to do this movie in the present, you need to start the movie out with an opening sequence like they have in the Ultimates...so you get the exposition of who Cap is from Bucky Barnes as he explains who Cap is to the soldiers on the mission and we see thier scepticism about him...then he proves he is the Shiznit and they are in awe of him...then he sacrafices himself to save America...fade to black as he sinks in the cold Atlantic Ocean...fade to opening title sequence.

He can then wake up in the present and let the movie begin where he finds out that America is not the country that he loved as a younger man...but in the end, he learns to love it again inspite of the changes that have occured.

I am a Canadian and Cap is one of my all-time favourite characters...I would love to write/direct this movie too...it's my dream project.

Rage

[Cyrusbales]

I wouldn't say it's my dream project, got lotsa good projects lined up.

Anyhow i didn't mean ultimates as in the whole story line, I just meant with cap being a little less naive and pussy, in WW2, a lot of acount of people show a less than 'chipper' side, that some of 616 cap lacks...

[Savage]

I just thought of a way to incorporate Bucky as his partner (that way we don't get elderly modern Bucky). This is a bit of a deviation though. Throughout WWII they're great friends out of costume and in costume. Remember Cap's still quite young and naive so he let's Bucky in on his secret. But Cap discovers something going on (the missle) and is sent on this mission solo. Bucky, idolizing the guy, sneaks in to try to help him. When Cap discovers him, he kind of has a "what the hell are you doing here?" attitude but reluctantly allows him to tag along. They team up and the events occur the way you already know it. Bucky's supposed death leaving Cap with guilt not only for letting him tag along but for even letting him in on his secret (quite a harsh lesson about keeping a secret identity).

[Rage]

I really liked how sentinel of Liberty handled Bucky. Mix that with the Ultimates version and you have a really decent character. Bucky barns is Radar O'reilly mixed with Rebel without a cause. You need something...he can get if for you. Smokes, pinups, anything that is considered contraban...ole Bucky can get you...if the price is right. But what happens when he discovers Cap's secret identity...he parlees that into getting some grade A front line action (No more clerking or motorpool) via blackmail. He becomes the official photographer for Captain America and finally gets to see some action.

Bucky never wears a costume and gives us our expostion on Captain America through the opening of the movie and in flashbacks.

During Caps final mission, Bucky, (whom Cap thinks is a bit of a weasel) sacrafices himself to save America and attempts to deactivate the missle. He can't deactivate it and it takes off with him attached. Cap is able to to get to the missle and get aboard and tries to save Bucky who is still intent on disarming the missle. The missle blows up throwing Cap into the depths of the Atlantic/Artic Ocean and to the audience and Cap's knowledge...blows up Bucky.

Rage

[Savage]

I like everything but Cap thinking Bucky's a weasel. I like them being pals.

[Rage]

Hey, my best friend is a weasel...doesn't mean I don't love the guy.

I see Bucky as a kinda used car salesman. He does what ever he needs to do to get whatever he needs. I think of him as "Radar" from M*A*S*H meets "Caretaker" from the longest yard...with just a hint of "Worm" from Rounders...and maybe a touch of Lois Lane (always getting in trouble)

Having Bucky be a goody-two-shoes sidekick just doesn't cut it with me anymore. I loved what they did with him in both the Ultimates and especially in Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty.

Rage

[Rage]

I see someone like Joseph Gordon Levitt playing Bucky.

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He has a young enough look to play the role while being young enough to pull off the youth of the role...in 2-5 years when this movie is made. Remember that Bucky is in the Army...so he needs to be at least 18. Levitt is 25 right now and still looks 17.

Rage

[Brian Braddock]

I simply want Cap not to have rubber ears.

[blind_fury]

Bucky is lame. Keep him out of the movies.

[Savage]

I don't think he is but even so, can you really pass up the chance of seeing The Winter Soldier in a movie?

[Savage]

I see someone like Joseph Gordon Levitt playing Bucky.

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He has a young enough look to play the role while being young enough to pull off the youth of the role...in 2-5 years when this movie is made. Remember that Bucky is in the Army...so he needs to be at least 18. Levitt is 25 right now and still looks 17.

Rage

Read my mind, bro. :up:
Another good choice imo is Gregory Smith (yes, the guy from Everwood. I know him for Small Soldiers though). Same age as Levitt and looks way younger too. I was actually suprised to see his real age.
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Plus I have an easier time picturing this guy as the Winter Soldier.

[Spider-Fan]

I like Bucky a lot, but I think he has more of an impact used as an elderly character. It personifies what Cap has lost. The dead soldiers is effective, but seeing his best friend as an old man would mean more to the movie on an emotional level.

I was never big on the Winter Soldier either.

[Rage]

I think that Bucky should die...the guilt in that or the preceived guilt of his death is a major huminzing factor in Captain America's character.

If you like the peer that is elderly...use the love interest (like in the Ultimates)

Rage

[Rage]

Read my mind, bro. :up:
Another good choice imo is Gregory Smith (yes, the guy from Everwood. I know him for Small Soldiers though). Same age as Levitt and looks way younger too. I was actually suprised to see his real age.
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Plus I have an easier time picturing this guy as the Winter Soldier.

Really? I don't mind this casting choice...but after hearing about Levitt's roles in movies like the Lookout and Brick, I think he has the tough wisecracking aspect of the character. Plus, I hear nothing but rave reviews about his acting since 3rd Rock.

Rage

[Savage]

Yeah, I've seen those movies actually and he's great. Just providing an alternative because I always pictured this guy as well. :)

And yeah, it would be better to have his love interest grow old and even widowed. Bucky is supposed to be to Captain America what Uncle Ben is to Spider-man...I'd say Gwen Stacy but that just seems weird.

[Spider-Fan]

The Ultimate Bucky idea is one of the few ideas I think was a really good idea for Cap. You could do it for the love interest, but I like using Bukcy for this. I like using him this way more than him getting killed (and again, I was never keen on the whole Winter Soldier thing, so his absences in the movie world doesn't bother me in the least). But, to each his own I guess.

[Rage]

I haven't read a Cap comic in years...since John Cassidy was on it (prior to his run on Astonishing X-men)

I never read any of the Winter Soldier storylines..so I don't see Bucky as that character in my mind. So I wouldn't mind him dying or being elderly. The best compromise would be for him to find out that Bucky survived at the end of the first film after spending all that time morning him.

Rage

[Artistsean]

I think for the Captain America movies it should be like this:

movie 1- starts in WWII for the first few minutes of the film. (like the amount of time it took Peter to get bitten by a spider or until he became Spider-Man.) Something around 30-20% is set in the past and 70-80% of the film is set in the present. Have skinny Steve become muscular Captain America, maybe show a mission, as if he had gone on several. Then he gets frozen. Then the rest of the film should be about him in the present time trying to adjust and having to fight an old (or new) threat. Maybe the Red Skull.

movie 2- Death of Bucky. Set in modren times, and cuts to flashbacks, we see Bucky get killed in an exlosion that also killed another foe (Zemo). Now Captain America must fight Baron Zemo II, the son of the original Baron Zemo. At the same time, during this movie he is coming to grips with the loss of Bucky and all that.

movie 3- not sure but he fights some terrorists like Hydra or something. Or maybe this film features Falcon and SHIELD. Gary Sinise could play Nick Fury. Maybe the 3rd could be an Avengers movie, or something, I don't really have a plot for the 3rd.

movie 4- Winter Soldier. the return of the long thought dead Bucky as the Winter Soldier. And leave it open for Winter Soldier films, that could include Nick Fury and Captain America cameos. and leave room for more sequals at the end of this film. Don't end it like X3.

[Savage]

Hmm. Don't think the series is going to go that far or even becoming a franchise. Especially with the Avengers movie on it's way. I think these guys will probably get about 1 or 2 movies and that'll be it. The rest of their careers are pretty Avengers centric anyway.

I don't see why all these marvel movies need to be franchises or trilogies.

[Rage]

Just watched the movie Brick last night starring Joseph Gordon-Levitt...and I am convinced that he is the guy to play Bucky in the flashbacks/WWII parts of the Captain America movie. He has the frailness to play the vulnerable part of the character and the "Hootspah" to play the street-wise punk aspect of the character. IMHO...I consider him CAST!! ;)

Rage

[Artistsean]

I would love Captain America to be in an Avengers movie, and would be happy to give up a third or forth movie to see that.

But I don't think Bucky should be introduced until the second movie. Give the first movie time to establish Steve Rogers and the whole Captain America thing, past and present.

the sequal is the one to introduce and kill off Bucky in, and it would be nice to show Winter Soldier in one of the films but probably not in the same film that he is introduced in as Bucky. So possibly a third film for that. And it would be cool to have Captain America working with Falcon in there somewhere, but I guess that Falcon and Winter Soldier isn't manditory.
Although having them in one of the movies opens it to sequals staring them, a solo Falcon movie and a solo Winter Soldier movie.

But like I said i would give up showing Winter Soldier and Falcon in the third movie was the Avengers. It could go along with the 3rd Iron Man film being the Avengers like Jon Favero(spelling?) said. Then the two franchises could combine.

So, I think the first film should show Cap in the war for the first few mintues. He is leading his troops, one of them could be "Bucky" Barnes. Maybe even showed in a costume once ot twice but nothing too flashy (Cap should even have his original suit on in the begginning too). And we shouldn't see Bucky die either. He is focussed on as much as Foggy was in Daredevil. Then Cap is frozen and unfrozen in the modern times. As for someonew for him to pal around with so its not just him all alone for the whole film, SHIELD agent Sharon Carter definatly and maybe introduce Sam Wilson (pre Falcon) and also some other SHIELD agents.

then in a sequal, and shown in flashbacks like in the Avengers that Scott Kollins worked on, we see that Bucky was murdered while on a mission with Cap. He sacrafized himself to save everyone and killed Baron Zemo. All this is brought up again by the return of Baron Zemo, who is actually the son of the original Zemo.
That way the whole film is focussed on Cap and his loss. The first film could get too cluttered with the whole origin and waking up in modren times and coming to terms with that.

[Savage]

Bucky can be introduced in the first movie along with Cap. They pretty much go through the entire war together. There's no Cap year 1 followed by Bucky. There's Bucky and Cap. He doesn't need to be "brought in". He can just be another soldier who is assigned to be Cap's partner both because of his skill and as part of the publicity stunt to bring in the younger recruits. He's the one guy you see along Cap's side throughout the movie. Basicly his supporting cast. Without him Cap is just...a guy running around beating the crap out of people. He needs someone to socialize with and show his more human side with.

I say Buck is introduced, developed, and killed off in the same movie. Maybe in the next movie he returns as the Winter Soldier. He becomes to Cap what Lady Deathstrike was to Wolverine in X2 (or Harry is going to be to Peter in Spidey 3). He's actually one villain I really wouldn't mind being redeemed and helping Cap in the end (*cough* Dock Ock*cough*).

[Spider-Fan]

If your gonna use Bucky, you must do it in the first movie. Bucky's presence helps to establish how Cap had a life in WWII, instead of shallowly jipping the WWII period. More of an emotional connection to Bucky if he is introduced earlier.

[Cyrusbales]

i think just plan one solid film, this doesn't need a trilogy or franchise, just one good solid film!

[Artistsean]

I sat make one really good Captain America movie, be prepared to not have a sequal, and then be ready for the the movie to do well and for a franchise to happen. (but don't count on it)
Meaning, show him in the past (with Bucky, starting to come around to that idea) and show him in the present. Because what if they make one film totally set in the past, then the public doesn't go for Captain America? Then you have the film sort of left without it being finished.
It would be cool to have him in the past in the first film, frozen at the end, and then the sequal is him in the present. That is an interesting idea. I also like the idea someone posted about having the two timelines runing at the same time and sort of reavling things as it goes and leading to something. Its a different take on the super hero movies.
But I think the studio will do a straight up super hero film. And I think the studio will be hesitant to try something other than the formulaic hero movie and I think they would try to show all of Cap's story from his creation to his unfreezing in the modern times.

I am affraid though that the movie, Captain America movie, will become too jam packed with story like Daredevil.
What with his origin/super soldier serum (and all the explaining of that)
WWII (showing him in battle)
Bucky (his introduction)
Bucky's death
fighting a major villian (their introduction and screen time)
being frozen
being unfrozen (and the expaining of that)
coming to terms with being in the "future"
Sharon Carter (and other supporting characters)
fighting a major villian. (their intro and screen time)

Sounds like too much.
In the comics there was Cap and Bucky, so I have no problem with the movie showing those two working together.
Then Cap is unfrozen in modren times, we never see him frozen and we never see Bucky killed. Later it is explained what happened, right?
So I can see the movie doing that too.
Explaining Bucky's death in a sequal.

[Artistsean]

I was actually just thinking. There are so many ways to go with this Captain America movie.

-They could have film one be Captain America in WWII. Meaing all about his origin, Bucky, fights Baron Zemo, and maybe even Bucky's death at the hands of Baron Zemo. Then in Film two have him unthaw in the present time.
Or have the sequal be the Avengers movie.

-Or have it be like "EARTH’S MIGHTIEST HEROES", by Joe Casey and Scott Kolins. Where Cap is in WWII, then is frozen, then unfrozen in modern times and has to deal with being out of time and the loss of Bucky as the memories come crawling back to him.

-Have the two timelines running at the same time, with things getting revealed and slowing building up to something.

-Have Cap unfrozen in the present and have flash backs reveal his past (the serum, Bucky, and everything)

[Savage]

I honestly prefer the two timelines running at the same time idea. A Captain America movie can really benefit from that.

Borrowing from Hellboy and The Ultimates though (movie being setup in WWII but not necessarily being based on it) the movie can start off with an old black and white propaganda news reel showing Cap and Bucky leading the Army and basically being cheeseballs and hamming it up about patriotism and such and it could end with Cap posing similar to Uncle Sam's "I want you" and then it slowly turns to color and is revealed to be a poster on the ground and it's then rolled over by a tank, panning out to show the dirty, gritty, almost depressing desctruction that the battle between these two armies are causing and it's all to stop the Red Skull's plan for a missile (borrowing from Ultimate and replacing Baron Zemo here). The rest plays out as you know and later Cap's origin (in the style of the Blade movie) is explained in the form of a breifing or maybe Cap talking to Sharon Carter. OR a flashback. There could be a flashback about his origin and maybe one about a moment with Bucky before the event that caused his death.

[Artistsean]

I love the idea of the film starting as a semi cheesy, gritty, black and white propaganda film.
Or Maybe its an old news reel, like the ones they used to show during WWII (like they had in Rocketeer),
The old news reel, that they would show before a movie, talks about the war and Captain America leading the troops (along side him is Bucky),
But then it mentions that Captain America suddenly dissapeared during one important mission.

Then it cuts to modern times,
Where some mountain climbers, or scientists, find the frozen body of Captain America.
Then during the movie we learn through things like depreafings, Steve Rogers telling Sharon Carter, and Steve's flashbacks, what really happened back then.
We learn that Steve didn't die like some assumed but had been frozen in a block of ice since 1945. (Maybe we even see that the same mission that ended with Steve frozen also killed Baron Zemo and Cap's sidekick Bucky.)

I like the idea of a news reel because it can be the same as a propaganda film and show his past and explain who he is quickly, and also report his being missing since 1945.

[knownote]

A lot of folks on the board will probably have negative comments about what I'm gonna say...BUT......

A Captain America movie like it looks like they're planning on doing would just be terrible. The reason why: Captain America would be changed from the original comics, as instead of fighting our enemies, hollywood would have him fighting our own "unjust" goverment, thanks to the overwhelming political correctness in hollywood. In reality, if there really was a "Captain America" running around out there now, he'd end up fighting a lot of terrorists, who happen to be Middle Eastern and Muslim. Hollywood, for some reason chooses not to show them in any type of negative light at all now, even though muslim terrorists want us all DEAD.

If it's not Cap fighting the Nazi's, then I won't be seeing it. I'm fed up with hollywood.

[Savage]

God I hope not. This better not be about Cap fighting Al Queda or something or I will be pissed. We've got Hydra, AIM, Neo-Nazis, any of these guys but Al-Queda. :(

[knownote]

God I hope not. This better not be about Cap fighting Al Queda or something or I will be pissed. We've got Hydra, AIM, Neo-Nazis, any of these guys but Al-Queda. :(

Yea, heaven forbid he actually tries to fight people who want us wiped off the face of the earth.

[Savage]

Yeah, I mean the last thing I want is this turning into some propaganda flick with Cap punching Bin Ladin in the face...As much as that's what the character was originally intended for since he literally got into fist fights with Hitler but still...

[GL1]

Yea, heaven forbid he actually tries to fight people who want us wiped off the face of the earth.

Which is why they launched their weapons of mass destruction at us... wait a minute... :whatever: I for one, am not impressed with your naive, if not outright ignorant propaganda.

As for Cap and terrorists, I think the 80s action heroes kinda played terrorists out... as for a whole drawn out pre-frozen intro for cap, I think it's mindnumbingly clear that such an intro is not necessary. The News Reel was an excellent idea, but all this taking five minutes to introduce bucky (Soldier comes up to cap "Hey, I'm Bucky, They assigned me to you) and the villain ("For you see Captain, *I* was the one behind the self desetructing plane all those years ago" Cap: GASP!) It's really just making things more complicated than they need to be...

But, whatever supervillain working with the Nazis finding themselves working with Al Queda, that actually has merit... but not just Al Queda... to pretend America's main goal in attacking Iraq/Afghanistan was to fight terror is too much suspension of belief for me...

[Spider-Fan]

Cap fighting terrorists like Bin Laden would be nothing but a stupid, American war propoganda flick (haven't they tryed to brainwash the public enough already?). Cap has a rich history of WWII and villains that could be much better used to make an awesome Cap movie. If the villain of the Captain America movie is anyone but the Red Skull, I will be angry!

[CyberFaust]

i would love, LOVE to see cap kickin' nazi butt, but it would be silly and childish, most superhero movies are about the birth of a character, and the cap A movie should be about his rebirth.

[Spider-Fan]

It wouldn't be silly and childish. Is that how you see Indiana Jones? I don't.

[Parker]

I'd think it would actually make for a more adult-oriented plot, with a little darkness and grit.

[Cyrusbales]

If they make the war scenes realistic, then it would be great, like Band of Brothers but with Cap!

[CyberFaust]

It wouldn't be silly and childish. Is that how you see Indiana Jones? I don't.

indiana jones has a purpose, not just kicking butt for the sake of america

i really think it'll be the rebirth or the birth of cap, it can't go any other way because you need to introduce the caracter to most of the audience

[Artistsean]

They can't and wont make the movie super realistic and violent with the war scenes. This is a super hero movie, like Spider-Man, one that will attract thousands of little kids.
It would be unwise for Marvel and whatever studio produces it to make it ultra violent, even though I know war is, because then the children aren't allowed in and no families would see the movie.
It would not be as big or as popular as Spider-Man and it should be.

That is also why showing his birth in the beginning (origin) and then get frozen and then his rebirth (unfrozen) would be better. Because then it limits the war time violence. Although back during the 50s and such (black and white movies) they did war movies without ultra violence that still worked.

[Savage]

You know, you really have a point there.

[Spider-Fan]

indiana jones has a purpose, not just kicking butt for the sake of america

i really think it'll be the rebirth or the birth of cap, it can't go any other way because you need to introduce the caracter to most of the audience

That is oversimplifying Cap. Yes, he fights Nazis for America, but that doesn't make him childish and silly. It makes him a soldier.

On to the violence point, I agree the movie shouldn't be ultra-violent. Cap should appeal to a wide audience, and it would be a mistake by Marvel to limit the audience. However, just because WWII is a setting doesn't mean it has to be violent like that (even if the whole movie is set there).

[CyberFaust]

That is oversimplifying Cap. Yes, he fights Nazis for America, but that doesn't make him childish and silly. It makes him a soldier.

On to the violence point, I agree the movie shouldn't be ultra-violent. Cap should appeal to a wide audience, and it would be a mistake by Marvel to limit the audience. However, just because WWII is a setting doesn't mean it has to be violent like that (even if the whole movie is set there).
i would hate to see cap's shield covered in gore and blood, but there's only one way to kill a nazi, drive a stake through their hearts, chop off their head and cover them in mustard, it's true.

[Spider-Fan]

Mmmm....chopped head covered in mustard.

[OllieQ]

They should have the film take place now. They can have flashbacks to World War 2. What makes Cap such a gret comic is that he is a fish out of water. Things have changed and he is having a hard time adjusting to them. Can you imagine a person frozen in the 1940's awaking today. Things aren't as black and white as they were back then. Could you imagine Captain America's reaction seeing the results of 911 or the war America is fighting over seas. Just my honest opinion.
Also, get rid of the boots.

[Spider-Fan]

I don't want a Cap movie with him fighting terrorists. That would be stupid. The Red Skull is the way to go. He provides a link to Cap's past, and we can see the differing perspectives on what the world is today. I don't want to see Cap crying over 9/11 for two hours. That is not what would make an interesting Cap movie.

[Brian2887]

Similar to Ultimates #1. The beginning can be Captain America in a WWII battle that ends with him being frozen. Then, the rest of the story is present. Captain America is a modern day Don Quixote - a hero defending an older, nobler way of life that modern people don't understand.

[OllieQ]

I don't want a Cap movie with him fighting terrorists. That would be stupid. The Red Skull is the way to go. He provides a link to Cap's past, and we can see the differing perspectives on what the world is today. I don't want to see Cap crying over 9/11 for two hours. That is not what would make an interesting Cap movie.

I didn't say he would be fighting terroists, although in essence this is what he would be doing because Red Skull is one. You have to have Red Skull, that I agree. However it is in Cap's nature to fight this.
I do like the Ultimate version. I feel this costume would translate better ot he big screen.

[Spider-Fan]

Similar to Ultimates #1. The beginning can be Captain America in a WWII battle that ends with him being frozen. Then, the rest of the story is present. Captain America is a modern day Don Quixote - a hero defending an older, nobler way of life that modern people don't understand.

You see, I don't like the Ultimate way of doing it UNLESS we get a bunch of flashbacks. I want to SEE what he came from, not him just be here now and WWII (one of the most essential periods of this character) gets no time dedicated to it. I want to see more of WWII than one beginning scene.

[Spider-Fan]

I didn't say he would be fighting terroists, although in essence this is what he would be doing because Red Skull is one. You have to have Red Skull, that I agree. However it is in Cap's nature to fight this.
I do like the Ultimate version. I feel this costume would translate better ot he big screen.


Skull is a terrorist, but not a steriotypical terrorist. I don't want Cap fighting Muslims and whining about 9/11. That is not the Cap movie I want to see.

His Ultimate costume is probably better for the screen, but I'd like to see elements of the classic one put into it also.

[OllieQ]

Skull is a terrorist, but not a steriotypical terrorist. I don't want Cap fighting Muslims and whining about 9/11. That is not the Cap movie I want to see.

His Ultimate costume is probably better for the screen, but I'd like to see elements of the classic one put into it also.

Cap wouldn't be fighting Muslims as all Muslims are not terrorists. Terroists comes from different walks of life, nationalities, and faiths.

Cap has bigger fish to fry such as the Red Skull and Crossbones. He wouldn't be whining about 9/11...not in his nature. I do feel it needs to be addressed in a tasteful way. You don't have to mention who did it, but realize and have Cap realize a post 9/11 world. In any case, Cap would be pounding the crap out of super villains, not "terrorists".

I agree on the ultimates costume. I think this would translate best to the big screen.

[Blade90]

Meh, I prefer Classic Cap.

For the ending they can show him being frozen, that way they can leave room for a Sequel showing him in Modern times. Basically, what
WOLVERINE25TH said. :p

I'd also think Neal McDonough would do a good job as the Cap:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/jfirehammer/marvel%20legends/IconsCapAmVariant.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/nealmcdonough_fan1/Nealportrait2.jpg

Plus he's already acted in a WWll situation before(Band of Brothers) and did a pretty damn good job, so I think that just about nails it. For the costume, I's have to go with the Ultimate version.

[Matt312]

I think they should do a flash back to when Captain fighting the nazis then bring him back from his frozen state to current time.

[Spider-Fan]

Cap wouldn't be fighting Muslims as all Muslims are not terrorists. Terroists comes from different walks of life, nationalities, and faiths.

Cap has bigger fish to fry such as the Red Skull and Crossbones. He wouldn't be whining about 9/11...not in his nature. I do feel it needs to be addressed in a tasteful way. You don't have to mention who did it, but realize and have Cap realize a post 9/11 world. In any case, Cap would be pounding the crap out of super villains, not "terrorists".

I agree on the ultimates costume. I think this would translate best to the big screen.

I never said all Muslims were terrorists. They are the stereotypical terrorists now (thanks to Bush). I don't want 9/11 to be focused in the movie. Maybe a brief mention, but not a focus.

[ang_hulk]

i want both.I like ultimate caps style so id like the film to follow him a bit more.I want to see the time change thing and him being frozen and stuff though.

[3dman27]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a380/ringdeacon/captian-america-themovie.jpg

ATTEN-HUT
excellent manip good work

[Brian Braddock]

Meh, I prefer Classic Cap.

For the ending they can show him being frozen, that way they can leave room for a Sequel showing him in Modern times. Basically, what
WOLVERINE25TH said. :p

I'd also think Neal McDonough would do a good job as the Cap:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/jfirehammer/marvel%20legends/IconsCapAmVariant.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/nealmcdonough_fan1/Nealportrait2.jpg

Plus he's already acted in a WWll situation before(Band of Brothers) and did a pretty damn good job, so I think that just about nails it. For the costume, I's have to go with the Ultimate version.


I gotta admit, the resemblance between McDonough and the face of the Cap toy is uncanny. The eyes, the face, the chin; Man, even the hair is exactly the same.

Is he a tad too old for Cap though?, in that I mean would he have the longevity to be the star of a succession of action films.

[Cyrusbales]

and he got owned by the borg in first contact....

[Savage]

I don't think he's too old. Look at Downey Jr. I'm actually liking the idea of them being close in age. :up:

[Brian Braddock]

I'm starting to warm to the idea of NM. The more I think about it.................

[Frico]

I dunno, I mean, RDJ and Norton both got Oscar noms. :up:

Whoever's Cap should def have that same quality :o

[OllieQ]

I never said all Muslims were terrorists. They are the stereotypical terrorists now (thanks to Bush). I don't want 9/11 to be focused in the movie. Maybe a brief mention, but not a focus.
I believe I said that about 9/11 in my earlier post. Mention it, but don't focus on it. But also make it a defining moment for Cap. At the same time make it a hero movie free of major political influence.

Have Cap frozen fighting Red Skull. Thaw him out and give him the Ultimate Cap uniform and take on Cross Bones. have flashbacks of WWII scatered thfoughout the movie. Then have Red Skull return and he can take on both. That should be the plot in a nutshell.

[OllieQ]

I never said all Muslims were terrorists. They are the stereotypical terrorists now (thanks to Bush). I don't want 9/11 to be focused in the movie. Maybe a brief mention, but not a focus.
I believe I said that about 9/11 in my earlier post. Mention it, but don't focus on it. But also make it a defining moment for Cap. At the same time make it a hero movie free of major political influence.

Have Cap frozen fighting Red Skull. Thaw him out and give him the Ultimate Cap uniform and take on Cross Bones. have flashbacks of WWII scatered thfoughout the movie. Then have Red Skull return and he can take on both. That should be the plot in a nutshell.

[OllieQ]

I never said all Muslims were terrorists. They are the stereotypical terrorists now (thanks to Bush). I don't want 9/11 to be focused in the movie. Maybe a brief mention, but not a focus.
I believe I said that about 9/11 in my earlier post. Mention it, but don't focus on it. But also make it a defining moment for Cap. At the same time make it a hero movie free of major political influence.

Have Cap frozen fighting Red Skull. Thaw him out and give him the Ultimate Cap uniform and take on Cross Bones. have flashbacks of WWII scatered thfoughout the movie. Then have Red Skull return and he can take on both. That should be the plot in a nutshell.

[OllieQ]

Sorry for the repetitive posts. My computer went nuts earlier.

[demitri_vampiro]

wwII, that's the best way to introduce him, and that's also staying true to the comic. also the political climate in the us is not pretty good at the moment to make a cap movie in the present time. i have a feeling the director and the studio would over patrionise the movie too much.

[Mr. Socko]

WWII is the only way to Introduce Captain America. I would hate anything else. In fact, I'm not even a fan of modern America. If they get a great director, cast & crew, and place this film in WWII time period, it has the possibility of becoming the first comic book film to be recognized by the Academy for major awards.

If only Steven Spielberg would do this film...

[ANTOINE X]

Cap adjusting to modern times/problems with plenty of flashbacks to WWII


That s exactly what I have in mind. Thats one of the best way to explain CAP big experience of life. The nazi subject has been exploit so many times! CAP will look like a hero of the past! So we have to add the 911 event.

[Cyrusbales]

WWII is the only way to Introduce Captain America. I would hate anything else. In fact, I'm not even a fan of modern America. If they get a great director, cast & crew, and place this film in WWII time period, it has the possibility of becoming the first comic book film to be recognized by the Academy for major awards.

If only Steven Spielberg would do this film...


Batman got art direction oscar.....I consider that an important award....

[Mr. Socko]

That was too long ago.

[ANTOINE X]

That s exactly what I have in mind. Thats one of the best way to explain CAP big experience of life. The nazi subject has been exploit so many times! CAP will look like a hero of the past! So we have to add the 911 event.

Forget what I just said. Since there will probably be a trilogy maybe it s a better idea to start with the WW2 for the first one than on the second or 3rd film ending with the 911 era. :woot:

[Rage]

Since it has been stated that they are going to make an Avengers movie...I would have Cap in his own movie in WWII with the movie ending with him falling to the ocean...

...Start the Avengers movie with them finding him in the ice.

Rage

[Savage]

Pretty much. If they're making an Avengers movie then there is no excuse for them not to be the ones to find him like in the comics.

[Jordacar]

If they're making an Avengers movie then there is no excuse for them not to be the ones to find him like in the comics.

It does save time by connecting Cap to the Avengers right away.

To amp things up, the Avs could be fighting some undersea villain, and the battle reveals Cap's frozen body.

[Savage]

Huh. There's a new approach I never thought about. But that's all the way up there in the north pole area. I wonder what battle would bring them there.

[Jordacar]

Huh. There's a new approach I never thought about. But that's all the way up there in the north pole area. I wonder what battle would bring them there.

Probably one of Thor's frost giants.

[TwilightPro101]

Have all the compomenents mixed into one.

[Rage]

WWII is the only way to go and having the Avengers discover his tattered frozen body in the ice...in this uniform...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/Rage5/CaptainAmerica.jpg

then upgrade the shield and the uniform during the Avengers movie.

Rage

[Rage]

WWII is the only way to go and having the Avengers discover his tattered frozen body in the ice...in this uniform...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/Rage5/CaptainAmerica.jpg

then upgrade the shield and the uniform during the Avengers movie.

Rage

WTF...what's with the little red X :cmad:

Rage

[harbinger14]

Ive written the script all of you talk about. Without giving too much away it's set in WWII, Fury is Caps mentor, Red Skull and Zemo are the villians, and Bucky dies. I believe I've respected the mythology of the hero while changing some things here and there for movie purposes. Now if I could only get it to the right person, all of you will see the ultimate Captain America film. Any suggestions? And if someone wants to read it let me know and I wil send you a few pages.

[harbinger14]

Also if anyone knows how those two guys sold their spec script for Wonder Woman let me know please. Honestly guys, I'm a fan just like yall and I just want to see the best possible story about Cap make it to the screen. It must be EPIC. It has to be! I really believe I've written it, so any help would be greatly appreciated. If anyone knows of a way to get in touch with Mr. Arad or anyone who can be influentual let me know please.

[harbinger14]

I also have the idea for the whole trilogy of films. First off, if Marvel wants to make a new franchise with this film and believe me they do, the first one MUST be set in WWII! My script is and he falls into the arctic ocean at the end and SHEILD finds him present day which leads into part two which is the whole man out of time thing, which is a brilliant theme, but don't rush it! Then the second one deals with Cap in modern day, asking himself what has America become? What is this military machine that now controls the world? And do I want to help it? Of course he does when Hydra comes out of nowhere as an elite terrorist group. then hes got his shiny new costume. His introduction to the public, and his romance with Sharon Carter. Then for the third you go vry DARK. Like spider-man, you set up certain people in the govt being traitors in the second and they try to take over the US in the third. Plus you bring the winter soldier storyline in their too, tweak it a lil bit of course, and at the end you have your iconic CAptain America bringing the US back to what it once was and what it once stood for. Voila! Theres your trilogy. After that bring in the Avengers, but give Cap his own trilogy he deserves it.

[Spider - Man]

I also have the idea for the whole trilogy of films. First off, if Marvel wants to make a new franchise with this film and believe me they do, the first one MUST be set in WWII! My script is and he falls into the arctic ocean at the end and SHEILD finds him present day which leads into part two which is the whole man out of time thing, which is a brilliant theme, but don't rush it! Then the second one deals with Cap in modern day, asking himself what has America become? What is this military machine that now controls the world? And do I want to help it? Of course he does when Hydra comes out of nowhere as an elite terrorist group. then hes got his shiny new costume. His introduction to the public, and his romance with Sharon Carter. Then for the third you go vry DARK. Like spider-man, you set up certain people in the govt being traitors in the second and they try to take over the US in the third. Plus you bring the winter soldier storyline in their too, tweak it a lil bit of course, and at the end you have your iconic CAptain America bringing the US back to what it once was and what it once stood for. Voila! Theres your trilogy. After that bring in the Avengers, but give Cap his own trilogy he deserves it.

Here's the problem with doing a Cap trilogy before the first Avengers film: Cap in 2009, sequel in 2011, part 3 in 2013, so that leaves Avengers for like 2015. Downey Jr. and Ed Norton will be pushing 50! We need to see Iron Man and Hulk in 08, Cap (with Nick Fury), Thor, and Antman in 09, and Avengers in 2010 or 2011 at the latest. Like Rage said, leave the end of the Cap movie with everyone (except us!) thinking he's dead! Then have the Avengers find him frozen in their first movie.

[Spider-Fan]

Why does a Cap trilogy have to be done before an Avengers movie? The Avengers could come somewhere in the middle.

[harbinger14]

They can get someone else to play hulk and iron man. Hasnt stopped em' before. Does anyone know how to get ahold of anyone at marvel?

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Other : the nihilist version of Catain America

[Obi-Ron]

Other: Both

[Advanced Dark]

I was watching Punisher again last night with Tom Jane. Considering he's already bulking up and he's walked away from Punisher 2...he could play Cap. He has plenty of time to bulk up more.

[Brian Braddock]

Thomas Jane wouldnt be too bad of a shout actually.

Has the chin, has the build, is blonde, good actor, able to do action etc.

He'd be able to put all his angst and dissapointment with the Punisher franchise and pour it into giving an amazing performance as CAP.

I'd go and see it anyway.