People need to learn how to speak English in America.

[HellOnEarth]

Why are all the Presidents white? You tell me--why the Presidents are all white, and none of them are black, mexican, or Asian. What is the criteria of becoming a President? How do you become a President?

1. You have to be white

2. You need alot of money

There has never been such thing as equality or civil liberties in this country, and never will be. LMao. Equality my ass. :down This nation of ours will fall like the Great Empire of Rome, and I just can't wait for that day! :)

[HellOnEarth]

This is a bigoted, prejudiced, racist country like any other nation (and one day it will fall) where how much an individual makes has more worth than his character. :down

[Milkman95]

Why are all the Presidents white? You tell me--why the Presidents are all white, and none of them are black, mexican, or Asian. What is the criteria of becoming a President? How do you become a President?

1. You have to be white

2. You need alot of money

There has never been such thing as equality or civil liberties in this country, and never will be. LMao. Equality my ass. :down This nation of ours will fall like the Great Empire of Rome, and I just can't wait for that day! :)


Nope, just need to be born in the United States - race has nothing to do with it.

If you can't speak the country's native language as your first, then beat it. People come to the U.S. for better opportunities, better lives for their children, better education for their children, and a nicer way of living - the least they could do is learn or know the language instead of DIS-RESPECTING the country that made their family's lives better.

[HellOnEarth]

You are blind my friend.

[jaguarr]

Nope, just need to be born in the United States - race has nothing to do with it.

If you can't speak the country's native language as your first, then beat it. People come to the U.S. for better opportunities, better lives for their children, better education for their children, and a nicer way of living - the least they could do is learn or know the language instead of DIS-RESPECTING the country that made their family's lives better.

LOFL! You know that many of the people who built this country didn't speak English, right? You know that many of the people who continue to make this country great don't speak English, right? Did you know there are parts of the country where people are native born and still don't learn English because there's no need to? Go run around Little Havana in Miami espousing your viewpoints and see how long you last. Get over yourself and quit being a biggoted racist, vato!

jag

[celldog]

I thought this was a great article.....

We no speak English




http://homepage.mac.com/jholbo/nutwork/images/Grogan,%20Kaye.jpg
Kaye Grogan
August 10, 2005


Have you ever wondered why English is not the official language in America? After 200 plus years of English being the predominantly spoken language — what else would the native tongue be? And the last time I read the U.S. Constitution it was written in English.

For gosh sakes! ...me no speak Spanish either — so we're even!

The more I read about some of the goings on in Washington — the more I am convinced the time for straitjackets for many has come and gone.

Did you know in 1998 the Republicans voted 238-182 to oppose making English the official language, because many were courting the possibility of making Puerto Rico a statehood? The Washington Times reported in 1998 that the majority of the House supported the statehood proposal, and at the same time fell short one vote of an amendment that would support English as top language in the good ole' USA. Don't ever underestimate the wild hairs of Republicans — those hairs will stick up, when you least expect them to appear.

Now I know many people have and will sell out their souls for money . . . but trying to sell the country out for votes is a bit extreme — wouldn't you agree?

We all know that Puerto Rico and Mexico are both dirt poor countries — and it looks like America is in line to become poor too, if we continue down this destructive pathway of giving all of our resources and money away. Just who is going to benefit most with politicians wooing Puerto Rican voters?

While many wayward politicians are concentrating on giving favors to Hispanic voters for election support, they are forgetting their base supporters. I am still trying to figure out what these misguided folks are eating in their Wheaties every morning!

Apparently, the Puerto Ricans are balking becoming the 51st state, because their language and culture is nonnegotiable. Well, Americans can't say the same, because they are on the bottom of the "totem" pole when it comes to Members of Congress supporting their traditions, American culture, etc., in favor of courting foreigners. But refusing to support English as the official language is the pits!

And if this isn't enough anti-American jargon — if you recognize God and country publicly you're offending other cultures.

I find it hard to believe that 55 percent of the American people polled favor a Puerto Rican statehood making the official languages English and Spanish. This is just another preplanned "bogus" poll to give the appearance Americans favor welcoming Puerto Rico as the 51st state.

The vast majority of Puerto Ricans are adamant when it comes to being anything other than antagonistic toward Americans. They assert up front — they not only prefer their native language — they are not the slightest bit interested in learning English. So, why should we take on another country's headaches? Besides, two-thirds of the Puerto Ricans are living in poverty. And until we can take care of our own people living in poverty, and have affordable healthcare for our senior citizens, our government has no right to squander away the money needed here in America. And I have come to the conclusion we need accountants in Washington D.C. — not lawyers. How far do you think housewives or big companies would get balancing their checkbooks — if they operated in the red to the tune of trillions of dollars annually? Probably about as far as the closest federal prison.

I think sometimes we would be better off if we didn't understand English, because the words to describe how our government has let us down politically, morally, and financially — cut to the core and fiber of our souls.

Americans should not have to fight for their inalienable rights over and over again, considering these rights are written in stone. Every step that you take you are walking on the "invisible" blood shed by a soldier who suppressed their fear in order that you, your children, and your grandchildren . . . could pursue the right to life, liberty, and happiness.

In the meantime — we're heading to a modern day "Tower of Babel."

And that's just my opinion!


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[celldog]

http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/10/this-is-america-why-should-i-have-to-press-1-for-english/

[jaguarr]

You do realize that making English the "official language" of the U.S. wouldn't change anything at all, right?

jag

[redmarvel]

People come to the U.S. for better opportunities, better lives for their children, better education for their children, and a nicer way of living - the least they could do is learn or know the language instead of DIS-RESPECTING the country that made their family's lives better.

It may not be DISRESPECT, it may just be lack of time and money. It takes both time and money to learn another language. English as a second language courses are not necessarily cheap and the times the courses are offered are not necessarily compatible with their jobs / lifestyle. If American's want immigrants to learn English the courses should be FREE! Otherwise, do not expect immigrants who are pobably saving every penny they can, to spend money on something that they do not deem to be an absolute necessity to life.

When my parents came to Canada they didn't have any money to spare for English classes, they had 4 children to keep in clothes, they had to buy a car, they had to pay rent/mortgage. Both mom and dad worked. Mom worked part time to be home for the kids when they got out of school. Dad worked long hours and shifts. Eventually they saved enough for a downpayment on a house (and had 2 more kids). My Dad tried his best to speak English, but he never did it well. He never had the chance to learn because he was busy bringing up 6 kids, clothing and feeding them. Even when he finally had the time and money there wasn't an English as a second language course anywhere close to where my parents lived.

My dad paid his taxes and worked hard until his retirement. My parents brought up 6 children, 1 went to college, 3 went to university, all of them hold down a job and pay their taxes. None of them has ever been to jail.

Good immigrants don't need to speak the language, they just have to be willing to work hard, obey the laws and teach their children to do the same.

[Manic]

Besides, two-thirds of the Puerto Ricans are living in poverty. And until we can take care of our own people living in poverty, and have affordable healthcare for our senior citizens, our government has no right to squander away the money needed here in America.
Newsflash, b****: Puerto Rico is already a US territory. The fact that we're currently not doing anything to help them with poverty is just plain stupid. God knows we have the money-- hows about spending a little less cash on our inaugurations, Washington? Cracka ass crackas.

[Cinemaman]

I was in Walmart today and this woman who was suppose to be helping me couldn't even answer my question, I could barely tell what she was saying.

Pathetic, I'm really sick of this crap! If I went to another country I'd learn their language. My Grandfather was happy to come to America and give up his language.

ИДИОТ, ЛЮДЯМ НУЖНО ОБОСНОВАТЬСЯ!!! ДУМАТЬ НАДО!!!

[MOIDANGEREUX]

"English hasn't been spoken in America for ages." - Henry Higgins "My Fair Lady"

[Manic]

Lern speek Americanese

[Mr Sparkle]

Majority of Mexicans and Black do not want an education--it's simple as that. Why the f**k do we have to be a slave to a white man's system? That's how majority of the poor community (the ghetto) think of themselves and others.

:down


LOL, no, shut up.

[Hotwire]

I have no problem offering free classes to teach immigrants English. Back in El Paso, you could find these at the local elementary, and scondary schools. My who point is that it's just, in my opinion, that if you want to live in a country, you should at least learn it's language, rather than expect them to learn your's.


Someone please quote this portion and tell me specifically why an entire country should learn the language of the people who choose to immigrate there, rather than the immigrant learning the language of the country they are moving to???

[Darthphere]

I have no problem offering free classes to teach immigrants English. Back in El Paso, you could find these at the local elementary, and scondary schools. My who point is that it's just, in my opinion, that if you want to live in a country, you should at least learn it's language, rather than expect them to learn your's.


Someone please quote this portion and tell me specifically why an entire country should learn the language of the people who choose to immigrate there, rather than the immigrant learning the language of the country they are moving to???


LOL!, No one is expecting you to learn spanish, we all know youre not capable.:oldrazz:

[Hotwire]

LOL!, No one is expecting you to learn spanish, we all know youre not capable.:oldrazz:
Figures, you're too stupid to be able to answer the question. You are simply the kind of person who enjoys goading people until they snap and beat the crap out of you. Look, it would be a lot simpler if you just admit that you don't have the mental capacity to answer simple questions. That way no one will bother asking you anything, kind of like wearing a sign that say, "My name is Darthphere, and I'm a dee dee dee!"

I just realized, you're only 19. No wonder you think you know everything. You haven't been around long enough to realize you don't know s***!

[Mr Sparkle]

I just realized, you're only 19. No wonder you think you know everything. You haven't been around long enough to realize you don't know s***!

holy Jesus! you're NOT a teenager? :huh::huh::huh::wow::wow::wow:

[Mr. Walters]

I was once told by a former coworker that everybody in Texas should learn how to speak Spanish.

Which is preposterous. If you move into a country, you should try to have a passable knowledge of the language there. The natives should not bend over backwards to accomodate you, that's unfair.

And while some claim there is no official language, the United States's Constitution and all government documents are written in English. No other language. I think that qualifies as official.

I've already said my piece in this thread about being understanding of immigrants and their difficulties learning the language, so I'm not going to repeat myself.

I'll just say we have some damn intolerant mother****ers around here.

I just said we should learn their language to poke fun at the situation. I was being sarcastic. Yes, we should learn to speak to others but under no means should we learn 200 different languages in order to communicate with all the different immigrant groups here. It would be easier for them to learn english. As far as the un official language thing? Well, I think we need to adopt our official language(s) quick, so this can no longer be an issue to clog up message boards.

[Darthphere]

Figures, you're too stupid to be able to answer the question. You are simply the kind of person who enjoys goading people until they snap and beat the crap out of you. Look, it would be a lot simpler if you just admit that you don't have the mental capacity to answer simple questions. That way no one will bother asking you anything, kind of like wearing a sign that say, "My name is Darthphere, and I'm a dee dee dee!"

I just realized, you're only 19. No wonder you think you know everything. You haven't been around long enough to realize you don't know s***!


I like that you added this line:

"I just realized, you're only 19. No wonder you think you know everything. You haven't been around long enough to realize you don't know s***!"

After using this line:

"My name is Darthphere, and I'm a dee dee dee!"

Using Carlos Mencia, quite possibly the crappiest comedian ever in yuor post just pretty much made me lose what little respect I had for you, and it was a little.

Now to answer your dumbass question once again, no one is expecting you to learn spanish, but people will continue to speak it, you either learn to live with it, or shut the **** up. Pretty simple.

[Darthphere]

I have no problem offering free classes to teach immigrants English. Back in El Paso, you could find these at the local elementary, and scondary schools. My who point is that it's just, in my opinion, that if you want to live in a country, you should at least learn it's language, rather than expect them to learn your's.


Also, I wanted to point out another flaw in your whole argument. Free classes huh? Youre all for that. What about when you realize theyre only free to the students and theyre getting funded by your tax dollars. Are you going to be happy then? Because as it is right now it seem we have unlimited funds to build walls across the border but when it comes to actually attempting to help them, it all comes down to a half penny tax on all your purchases. You would be ok with that?

[Hotwire]

I like that you added this line:

"I just realized, you're only 19. No wonder you think you know everything. You haven't been around long enough to realize you don't know s***!"

After using this line:

"My name is Darthphere, and I'm a dee dee dee!"

Using Carlos Mencia, quite possibly the crappiest comedian ever in yuor post just pretty much made me lose what little respect I had for you, and it was a little.

Now to answer your dumbass question once again, no one is expecting you to learn spanish, but people will continue to speak it, you either learn to live with it, or shut the **** up. Pretty simple.
You still did not answer the question, so here it is again...
Tell me specifically why an entire country (not just me specificaly) should learn the language of the people who choose to immigrate there, rather than the immigrant (from any country) learning the language of the country they are moving to.

[Darthphere]

They wouldnt, and theyre not being asked to. Whats so hard to understand about that?

[Hotwire]

Also, I wanted to point out another flaw in your whole argument. Free classes huh? Youre all for that. What about when you realize theyre only free to the students and theyre getting funded by your tax dollars. Are you going to be happy then? Because as it is right now it seem we have unlimited funds to build walls across the border but when it comes to actually attempting to help them, it all comes down to a half penny tax on all your purchases. You would be ok with that?
The classes in El Paso were offered for free to the parents of the children who attended the school. Well at least at the public school my daughter went to. And I have no problem with my tax dollars doing something procutive in the community, and offering classes for immigrants to learn English is a great example. Now if the classes are availible, then it's still the responsibility of the immigrant to take them so to help themselves achieve a better life for themselves. As for the whole wall idea, that's just stupid. It's a waste of money and won't solve any issues with illegal immigration. That problem won't be resolved until the Mexican government fixes it's own economic problems, but that's an entirely different debate.

[Hotwire]

They wouldnt, and theyre not being asked to. Whats so hard to understand about that?So, the country isn't being asked to learn Spanish for the immigrants, and the immigrants aren't being asked to learn English?? Actually that's the whole arguement. I'm of the opinion that immigrants should learn the language of the country they are moving to. And I'm being told that's wrong. That an immigrant should not be required to learn the new language, but the other way around. The country that allows the immigrant to move there is responsible for learning the language of the immigrant.

[Wolverine Fan]

I agree. They should learn how to speck English.

[Darthphere]

Its the immigrants right to learn english or not, they wont be forced to. Nobody is being told they have to leanr Spanish. WOuld it make things easier if immigrants learned english? Sure, but realistically speaking, only a small percentage will. And I dont think they should be forced to either. Really, its their loss.

[Darthphere]

I agree. They should learn how to speck English.


Theyll learn to speak it, when you learn to type it. Deal?

[Hotwire]

Its the immigrants right to learn english or not, they wont be forced to. Nobody is being told they have to leanr Spanish. WOuld it make things easier if immigrants learned english? Sure, but realistically speaking, only a small percentage will. And I dont think they should be forced to either. Really, its their loss.
FINALLY!!!!! You finally almost understand my point. I feel that immigrants should be required to learn the language of the country they are moving to. Moving to Germany, gotta learn German. Gonna live in Italy, pick up Italian. Relocating to Japan, you're gonna nead Japanese. It's not just moving to America, learn English, but any country.

[Wolverine Fan]

Theyll learn to speak it, when you learn to type it. Deal?

You should talk.:cwink:

[Maxwell Smart]

Besame culo.

[tzarinna]

Naughty.

[The Riddler]

this thread is old.

that's all i will contribute to this thread.

[Maxwell Smart]

Naughty.

necesito(deseo) a azotado, señorita ;)

(don't know if I used the right word, lol)

[Manic]

"Besame culo" I understand, but "azotado" completely loses me.

*babelfish*
"whipped"

Ohhh. Kinky.

[Octoberist]

that's why you shouldn't shop at walmart.

I kid..I kid.

I'm a Target fan myself..

[Dangerous]

Man this thread is still goin!

[Ahura Mazda]

Damn straight. The only real way to learn a language is to go somewhere and live there, work there, soak it up. And odds are it's gonna take a while. I plan to move to France for good next year to do just that, and luckily, if the near year I spent there last year is any indication, they aren't anywhere near as snooty about it as our country can be. If you even try there, they get really happy even if you're butchering it.

Good luck with that. There are many english speakers there but people prefer it if you make an effort to try to seak french. It also depends where in France you go.

[Dangerous]

Yup sure is popular

[Darthphere]

FINALLY!!!!! You finally almost understand my point. I feel that immigrants should be required to learn the language of the country they are moving to. Moving to Germany, gotta learn German. Gonna live in Italy, pick up Italian. Relocating to Japan, you're gonna nead Japanese. It's not just moving to America, learn English, but any country.


I dont think you should be required to learn english.

[jaguarr]

FINALLY!!!!! You finally almost understand my point. I feel that immigrants should be required to learn the language of the country they are moving to. Moving to Germany, gotta learn German. Gonna live in Italy, pick up Italian. Relocating to Japan, you're gonna nead Japanese. It's not just moving to America, learn English, but any country.

With the logic you just laid out, wouldn't it make more sense to say that if you move to America, you have to learn American? And, exactly what IS the American language, anyway, but an amalgam of many, many others? If you're going to live in England, THEN maybe you should think about learning English. ;)

jag

[Darthphere]

Zing Zang Boom!

[HellOnEarth]

With the logic you just laid out, wouldn't it make more sense to say that if you move to America, you have to learn American? And, exactly what IS the American language, anyway, but an amalgam of many, many others? If you're going to live in England, THEN maybe you should think about learning English. ;)

jag

America came from England, buddy ;)

I believe we all should like the ancient Navajo language.

[jaguarr]

America came from England, buddy ;)

I believe we all should like the ancient Navajo language.

Yeah, I would agree with you except for that part about you being completely wrong and everything. :) And you do realize that there were and are 100's of Native American dialects?

jag

[Darren Daring]

Run, jag's on the prowl.

P.S. I don't think I've ever seen teh word "prowl" in print. It looks kinda right, I geuss.

[Erzengel]

I think we should all communicate through interpretive dance.

[Darthphere]

I think we should all communicate through interpretive dance.


Are we counting American Sign Language as a language because that would be my fifth langauage. English, Spanish, French, Pig Latin, and ASL.

[jaguarr]

I think we should all communicate through interpretive dance.

No, because then I'd have to deal with people doing the wrong dance all the time and I'd have to give them a beat down (while dancing, of course) to make sure they knew they were wrong.

jag

[Erzengel]

I speak English, some Spanish, some Tagalog and of course the language of Love.

[Darthphere]

No, because then I'd have to deal with people doing the wrong dance all the time and I'd have to give them a beat down (while dancing, of course) to make sure they knew they were wrong.

jag


DANCE OFF!!!!!!!!:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

Teddy

[Erzengel]

No, because then I'd have to deal with people doing the wrong dance all the time and I'd have to give them a beat down (while dancing, of course) to make sure they knew they were wrong.

jag
http://www.joshuanewman.com/photos/chipgoldberg.jpg

[Darthphere]

I speak English, some Spanish, some Tagalog and of course the language of Love.


Better make that 6 then.

[jaguarr]

http://www.joshuanewman.com/photos/chipgoldberg.jpg

Yeah....definitely an interpretive beatdown coming his way.

jag

[jaguarr]

I speak English, some Spanish, some Tagalog and of course the language of Love.

Tagalog isn't even a real language. That's like "speaking in tongues" only with less religioniness.

jag

[Erzengel]

Tagalog isn't even a real language. That's like "speaking in tongues" only with less religioniness.

jag

It's better than making clicking sounds. :csad:

[jaguarr]

It's better than making clicking sounds. :csad:

You leave DOG LIPS out of this! He does the best he can with what he has to work with! :cmad:

jag

[Tsunulia]

It's better than making clicking sounds. :csad:

Can you imagine if we couldn't see our words on here, but heard all the clicks from the keyboard instead?

[Darthphere]

I also speak the language of the aliens from Signs.

[Hotwire]

With the logic you just laid out, wouldn't it make more sense to say that if you move to America, you have to learn American? And, exactly what IS the American language, anyway, but an amalgam of many, many others? If you're going to live in England, THEN maybe you should think about learning English. ;)

jag
You get the point, if you want to live in a country that speaks a language other than the one you speak, you should learn that language. And I feel ANY country has the right to require you to learn their language if you are going to live there. Tell me, why is it wrong for any country to require immigrants to learn the language???

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I remember some of my fake speaking in tongues I pulled off when I was little and we attended a church where they taught that if you never speak in tongues you aren't saved.

Part of it was "AndalaSHAndolokiandokaniaso"

I was good, for a kid.:up:

[Darthphere]

You get the point, if you want to live in a country that speaks a language other than the one you speak, you should learn that language. And I feel ANY country has the right to require you to learn their language if you are going to live there. Tell me, why is it wrong for any country to require immigrants to learn the language???


Required equals forced. Nobody should be forced to do anything but following the law.

[jaguarr]

You get the point, if you want to live in a country that speaks a language other than the one you speak, you should learn that language. And I feel ANY country has the right to require you to learn their language if you are going to live there. Tell me, why is it wrong for any country to require immigrants to learn the language???

Clarification. I get the point you are trying to make. I do not agree with it, however. But let me illustrate, if I can, what makes your idea so unpalatable to me: "Welcome to America! Home of the free, land of the brave! The place where you can be anyone you want to be and accomplish anything you want to, all on your own terms! You will experience freedom like you have never known or appreciated here in the United States of America. However, if you do not learn American English then you will be required to leave and return to wherever the hell it is you came from."

Hypocrisy much? :) Besides, I sure as hell don't want my tax dollars going towards enforcing something so ridiculous, nor do I want the government to get any bigger than they already are for such a purpose.

jag

[Hotwire]

It's not forcing anyone to do anything. It's requiring someone who is moving to another country of their own choice and free will to have respect for their new home to learn it's language. If you don't want to learn the language, fine, go to a country that already speaks your language. Tell me jag, you don't want your tax dollars going to pay for enforcement of learning English, but you're fine with them paying to reformat the government forms into Spanish, to change all the phone systems at the IRS to accomidate Spanish, to paying bi-lingual government employees extra. And you call me a hypocrite!!!

[jaguarr]

It's not forcing anyone to do anything. It's requiring someone who is moving to another country of their own choice and free will to have respect for their new home to learn it's language. If you don't want to learn the language, fine, go to a country that already speaks your language. Tell me jag, you don't want your tax dollars going to pay for enforcement of learning English, but you're fine with them paying to reformat the government forms into Spanish, to change all the phone systems at the IRS to accomidate Spanish, to paying bi-lingual government employees extra. And you call me a hypocrite!!!

What part of "Land Of The Free" just doesn't work for you? :huh:

jag

[Darthphere]

It's not forcing anyone to do anything. It's requiring someone who is moving to another country of their own choice and free will to have respect for their new home to learn it's language. If you don't want to learn the language, fine, go to a country that already speaks your language. Tell me jag, you don't want your tax dollars going to pay for enforcement of learning English, but you're fine with them paying to reformat the government forms into Spanish, to change all the phone systems at the IRS to accomidate Spanish, to paying bi-lingual government employees extra. And you call me a hypocrite!!!



If youre requiring, youre forcing. Its just a nicer word to use.

[Hotwire]

What part of "Land Of The Free" just doesn't work for you? :huh:

jag
"Land of the Free" works just fine for me. But just because you are free, doesn't mean you don't have any resposibilities to yourself and your country. Freedom is far from free.

What part of "Tell me jag, you don't want your tax dollars going to pay for enforcement of learning English, but you're fine with them paying to reformat the government forms into Spanish, to change all the phone systems at the IRS to accomidate Spanish, to paying bi-lingual government employees extra" hit a little too close to home for you??

[Hotwire]

If youre requiring, youre forcing. Its just a nicer word to use.
Forced: the power to coerce, persuade or convince, to compell by phyiscal, mental or moral means

Required: Asking by right, demanding or ordering to do something.

So you were forced to go school through your childhood, you've been forced to get a driver's licence, you are forced to pay taxes, your own body body forces you to eat, you are forced to pay money for the things you want to buy in Wal-Mart.

[jaguarr]

"Land of the Free" works just fine for me. But just because you are free, doesn't mean you don't have any resposibilities to yourself and your country. Freedom is far from free.

What part of "Tell me jag, you don't want your tax dollars going to pay for enforcement of learning English, but you're fine with them paying to reformat the government forms into Spanish, to change all the phone systems at the IRS to accomidate Spanish, to paying bi-lingual government employees extra" hit a little too close to home for you??

Actually, no, because that would be using my tax dollars to ensure that people can continue to remain free and make their own choices about what languages they will choose to learn and use in this country. Your plan would use my tax dollars to force people to do something, just because you don't like anyone speaking a language you don't understand. So, yeah....what part of Land Of The Free doesn't really work for you?

jag

[Darthphere]

So you were forced to go school through your childhood,

Yes.
you've been forced to get a driver's licence,

No, a driver's license isnt a right, its a privielege and one that people can live without.

you are forced to pay taxes,

Uh yeah?

your own body body forces you to eat,

Eating is a necessity to live, speaking english isnt.

you are forced to pay money for the things you want to buy in Wal-Mart.

Yes, if not, its called stealing.


Did you have a point?:huh:

[DOG LIPS]

You leave DOG LIPS out of this! He does the best he can with what he has to work with! :cmad:

jag
Hey, click you pal. Click. You. :cmad:

[Daisy]

Are we counting American Sign Language as a language because that would be my fifth langauage. English, Spanish, French, Pig Latin, and ASL.

Just a note to a number of folks in this thread... using censored words in Pig Latin counts as by-passing the censors.

I speak English, some Spanish, some Tagalog and of course the language of Love.

Everytime I see Tagalog, I think of Girl Scout Cookies.

Tagalongs

[Ben Urich]

Just a note to a number of folks in this thread... using censored words in Pig Latin counts as by-passing the censors.

Ollocks-bay! :cmad:

Kidding :woot:

Please don't ban me. :csad:

[Hotwire]

You know what, this is pointless. Both of you are way to naive to understand anything. Jag, you think everyone in this country should have frredom with no responsibilty to their country or its established way of life. Darth, you feel no one should ever be required to do anything ever at any time, excpet by laws. And maybe I am a bit stubborn when it comes to catering to people who won't do things my way. But I still feel that your ways of thinking are way, way, too liberal. Liberal to the point that you will tolerate anything, no matter what. All under the guise of "Land of the Free."

[jaguarr]

You know what, this is pointless. Both of you are way to naive to understand anything. Jag, you think everyone in this country should have frredom with no responsibilty to their country or its established way of life. Darth, you feel no one should ever be required to do anything ever at any time, excpet by laws. And maybe I am a bit stubborn when it comes to catering to people who won't do things my way. But I still feel that your ways of thinking are way, way, too liberal. Liberal to the point that you will tolerate anything, no matter what. All under the guise of "Land of the Free."

Haha! Yeah, that's exactly what I said. :whatever:

jag

[Ben Urich]

I think it's naive to expect that making English the official language will actually change anything at all, but hey, whatever floats your boat. :up:

[Daisy]

Ollocks-bay! :cmad:

Kidding :woot:

Please don't ban me. :csad:

Ustjay on'tday etlay itway appenhay againay! :cmad:

[jaguarr]

I think it's naive to expect that making English the official language will actually change anything at all, but hey, whatever floats your boat. :up:

Yeah, I've pointed that out as well and it was promptly ignored by the linguistic elitists.

jag

[Hotwire]

That's me, the linguistic elitist!!:whatever:

[jaguarr]

That's me, the linguistic elitist!!:whatever:

Would you prefer linguistic segregationist? :huh:

jag

[Hotwire]

Haha! Yeah, that's exactly what I said. :whatever:

jag
No, but you implied it. You want an entire country to cater to the people who immigrate to it, and are willing to absolve said immigrants of any responsibilty they may have when it comes to melding with their new culture. Very naive.

[jaguarr]

No, but you implied it. You want an entire country to cater to the people who immigrate to it, and are willing to absolve said immigrants of any responsibilty they may have when it comes to melding with their new culture. Very naive.

How about monoligual advocacy enthusiast? :up: Seriously, if you really think requiring anyone to learn any language upon entering any country to live will actually change anything at all or is even enforcable in any way, not to mention bureaucratically feasible, you are the naive one.

At any rate, what you are failing to recognize is that the American culture is a melding of MANY different cultures from all over the world. That's why the U.S. has been referred to as "The Great Melting Pot". There is no overarching culture in America, not nationally and especially not at a regional level. What I'm advocating is that people be allowed to make a CHOICE for THEMSELVES about what language they CHOOSE to learn and speak, no matter where they live. If that holds them back, that is their problem but thinking that putting forth a national requirement (and the expense behind doing so) that all people in America learn and speak English will make any difference whatsoever or change a thing is naive as hell. I think I'll go about respecting people's different cultures and choices to speak the language they would like to, but thanks for stopping by. Or perhaps I should say, muchas gracias para tu entrada equivocada.

jag

[Kritish]

Spanish was the first European language spoken in North America after Columbus.

The United States does not have an official language.

Mexico is in America and Spanish is spoken there.

Americans are notorious for going to other countries and expecting the citizens there to speak English

I know, but I try to be able to speak at least some of the language I'm visiting. Like where is the john?

[Ben Urich]

Ustjay on'tday etlay itway appenhay againay! :cmad:

Es'myay :up:

[Kritish]

Deseo que esta gente haría por lo menos una tentativa de aprender inglés maldito.

[jaguarr]

Deseo que esta gente haría por lo menos una tentativa de aprender inglés maldito.

Algunos de ellos hacer.

jag

[Kritish]

Las probabilidades son que no sería un asno tan duro si utilizarían inglés más a menudo. Este nunca happend en la isla de Ellis.

[Erzengel]

I don't think a language should be forced on anybody, however if you choose not to learn the language of the country that you are in, it's your problem. I don't think anyone should bend backwards for these people, who refuse to learn the language and yet expect others to accomodate them.

[jaguarr]

Las probabilidades son que no sería un asno tan duro si utilizarían inglés más a menudo. Este nunca happend en la isla de Ellis.

Probablemente, sino tú todavía no puede forzar a la gente aprender una lengua.

jag

[Kritish]

No estoy intentando ser un dick, inglés puede ser que no sea la lengua offical. Pero la hemos estado hablando por más de 400 años.

[Kritish]

Probablemente, sino tú todavía no puede forzar a la gente aprender una lengua.

jag

Usted puede, no permite sí que hagan ciudadanos si no pueden tomar una "prueba inglesa". Otros países la han hecho.
A propósito, tengo gusto de su avatar.

[jaguarr]

Usted puede, no permite sí que hagan ciudadanos si no pueden tomar una "prueba inglesa". Otros países la han hecho.
A propósito, tengo gusto de su avatar.

Gracias. Que o quien es en su avatar?

jag

[Darthphere]

I can put words through a spanish english translator too. Know how I know youre doing that, some of the words arent gramatically correct. You lose.

[Kritish]

Ninguna pista, la vi y acabo de tengo gusto de ella. Puede ser que la cambie

[Kritish]

I can put words through a spanish english translator too. Know how I know youre doing that, some of the words arent gramatically correct. You lose.

I never claimed I was that fluent in Spanish.

[jaguarr]

I can put words through a spanish english translator too. Know how I know youre doing that, some of the words arent gramatically correct. You lose.

Some of it I am putting through a translator, some of it I'm not. My Spanish is horribly rusty (and was never that great to begin with). :csad:

jag

[Darthphere]

Some of it I am putting through a translator, some of it I'm not. My Spanish is horribly rusty (and was never that great to begin with). :csad:

jag


I wasnt talking to you whitey!:cmad:

[Erzengel]

I wasnt talking to you whitey!:cmad:

Leave the cracker alone!!! :cmad:

[jaguarr]

I wasnt talking to you whitey!:cmad:

Why you gotta cut a brotha like that!? :cmad:

jag

[Darthphere]

Jag caught feelings.

[Holly Goodhead]

Everyone should learn how to speak Toven.

[Kritish]

Leave the cracker alone!!! :cmad:

How come my fellow crackers don't have a white history week or something?:csad:

[jaguarr]

Everyone should learn how to speak Toven.

Is that like speaking Skank, only with fewer vowels? :huh:

jag

[Darthphere]

How come my fellow crackers don't have a white history week or something?:csad:


Because whitey is going down.

[Kritish]

Because whitey is going down.

It would be full of the genocide of natives anyways.

[jaguarr]

Because whitey is going down.

Kinda like your Mom only with a full set of teeth? :huh:

jag

[Darthphere]

I always find it hilarious when I hear American southerners talking about World War II to Canadians, saying things like; "Daggummit, Ifin it weren't fer us all o' y'alls Canajuns would be speakin' in the German!"
Yeah, I can see how much you respect the English language, ********. :whatever:


I like big words that are censored.

[Darthphere]

Kinda like your Mom only with a full set of teeth? :huh:

jag


Kind of, but she has had work done.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Is that like speaking Skank, only with fewer vowels? :huh:

jagI think it's only vowels. :huh:

[Erzengel]

How come my fellow crackers don't have a white history week or something?:csad:

Why don't you just steal it from any other Ethnic History Months. :csad:

[jaguarr]

Kind of, but she has had work done.

Good for her. Now she won't whistle when she talks. :up:

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

Is that like speaking Skank, only with fewer vowels? :huh:

jag

umm....

http://videodetective.com/photos/774/032531_23.jpg

[jaguarr]

http://videodetective.com/photos/774/032531_23.jpg

She seems to be saying "I ate WHAT!?" :huh:

jag

[Darthphere]

Or being ***** **** ,*****, ******,******.

[Hotwire]

How about monoligual advocacy enthusiast? :up: Seriously, if you really think requiring anyone to learn any language upon entering any country to live will actually change anything at all or is even enforcable in any way, not to mention bureaucratically feasible, you are the naive one.

At any rate, what you are failing to recognize is that the American culture is a melding of MANY different cultures from all over the world. That's why the U.S. has been referred to as "The Great Melting Pot". There is no overarching culture in America, not nationally and especially not at a regional level. What I'm advocating is that people be allowed to make a CHOICE for THEMSELVES about what language they CHOOSE to learn and speak, no matter where they live. If that holds them back, that is their problem but thinking that putting forth a national requirement (and the expense behind doing so) that all people in America learn and speak English will make any difference whatsoever or change a thing is naive as hell. I think I'll go about respecting people's different cultures and choices to speak the language they would like to, but thanks for stopping by. Or perhaps I should say, muchas gracias para tu entrada equivocada.

jag
Fine, I can agree with you on the undelined portion, but I simply add that no country be required to cater to them by changing the way they do things. I've come to this. I think that the most important aspect in the debate over English only in America is what not speaking English does to the individual and to society as a whole. Regardless of whether immigrants are forced to speak English or not, regardless of whether they choose to speak English or not is something to be decided by others. What is important is that by choosing not to learn English, immigrants are placing a burden upon themselves and this country.

[TEDDY]

DANCE OFF!!!!!!!!:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

Teddy

Ah yeah! DANCE OFF!

[HellOnEarth]

Fine, I can agree with you on the undelined portion, but I simply add that no country be required to cater to them by changing the way they do things. I've come to this. I think that the most important aspect in the debate over English only in America is what not speaking English does to the individual and to society as a whole. Regardless of whether immigrants are forced to speak English or not, regardless of whether they choose to speak English or not is something to be decided by others. What is important is that by choosing not to learn English, immigrants are placing a burden upon themselves and this country.

What do you mean a burden? Lmao.

They want to remain poor--so let them be poor. Why are you trying to educate them? If they want to be rich, they'll learn English. This is the f**ked up White America, where people believe there's such thing as equality in this nation, lmao.

[HellOnEarth]

There is no such thing as equality in this f**ked up nation. There never was--and there never will be. :)

It's like any other nation.

[Mr Sparkle]

What do you mean a burden? Lmao.

They want to remain poor--so let them be poor. Why are you trying to educate them? If they want to be rich, they'll learn English. This is the f**ked up White America, where people believe there's such thing as equality in this nation, lmao.


LOL, my uncle knew a man who came from China, he first came through Mexicali and then went to the US, he opened a grocery store in his community and made a really good living, to where he later opened another store, he put all his kids through College and was by all accounts a "wealthy"man, who had a marginal knowledge of english, at best.

I don't condone it, I'm just making a point.

[HellOnEarth]

Here we go again. And why did a Chinese man open a grocery store in Chinatown? Because they were not allowed to in the gold mining industry, railroads, and agriculture--they were shunned from the white communites. They were not provided with any education except scorn and contempt. Go read Ralph Waldo Emerson's essay on Chinese Americans, and how he treats them, lmfao. F**king racist bigoted mother f**ker that deserves a lynching. Do you know what he said about the Chinese? Said they were worse than negros, and the only thing they can do is make tea.




This is a nation of unequality.

[HellOnEarth]

I will write his essay here, if any of you even care, lmao.

[Hotwire]

What do you mean a burden? Lmao.

They want to remain poor--so let them be poor. Why are you trying to educate them? If they want to be rich, they'll learn English. This is the f**ked up White America, where people believe there's such thing as equality in this nation, lmao.
f they remain poor it puts a burden on you! Your tax dollars now go to help support them. If they learn the language and get a better education, they improve their social status, and you and I no longer have to support them. This allows our tax dollars to be spent on other things, like universal health care.

[Hotwire]

This is a nation of unequality.
This nation has a history of unequality, that's true. But things have improved. The one thing that has remained consistant is that you will go as far as your motivation will take you. Do some have it easier, yes, do some have to wok harder, yes, but no matter who you are, nothing is handed to you. Unless perhaps you are born into wealth.

[TKing]

This allows our tax dollars to be spent on other things, like universal health care.

Which will be wasted on smokers and junkies. :o

[Hotwire]

Which will be wasted on smokers and junkies. :o
Witch will allow people like myself to take my family to the doctor without having to worry about how to pay the bills!