Will Venom look cool or not cool, or fake, but cool?

[Jason Martell]

So how cool will Venom look? In the first Spider-Man often times Spider-Man looked fake, like something out of a video game. So here's the million dollar question. How cool will Venom look? They might not get it perfect. Or they might make him satsifying, but not mindblowing. His face might not show facial expressions. He might always have the exact same look on his face. So what do you guys think?

[craigaat]

The effects in Spiderman and even Spiderman 2 look dated now, but at the time I didn't mind. I don't even know what Venom is going to look like, let alone how real it will be.
So I voted not sure.

[Jason Martell]

Dated? Look again at Spider-Man 2. It's only 1 year old. What kind of effects have come out since #2 came out, that make #2 look dated? In my opinion Matrx 2 and 3 are the only movies that effects better than those shown in part 2. Look at the train scene of Spider-Man 2.

[Dark Phantom]

Dated? Look again at Spider-Man 2. It's only 1 year old. What kind of effects have come out since #2 came out, that make #2 look dated? In my opinion Matrx 2 and 3 are the only movies that effects better than those shown in part 2. Look at the train scene of Spider-Man 2.

I kind of agrre. I was wathing Matrix Reloaded again and the scene where Neo fights the clones looked really dated:down . The SM2 train scene still looks fresh. That's why it won an academy award;)

How realistic will Venom look? I'm not really sure either. I wouldn't go for a complete CGI look like they did with the Hulk, it would be too expensive. I would go for a combonation of a prosthetic suit and CGI effect. Much like what they did with The Thing in FF, but better.

[Cinemaman]

One of the most cool fights is Spidey vs. Octopus.
There was much action and CGI effects.

And I hope that Venom in SM3 will look dark and cool.

[Threshold]

Why are you polling us on this? How the hell would any of us know?

[Joker]

If there is a god,and Sony have an ounce of sense,Venom will not be in SM-3.

If the unthinkable happens and Venom is in SM-3,well as Eddie Brock he'll look like a joke because Topher Grace is supposed to be this:

http://img291.echo.cx/img291/9516/venomeddie8mm.jpg

[Threshold]

You might want to get yourself prepared to see something more like this:

http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Pics/E/EddieBrockJr.JPG

http://www.samruby.com/Series/Ultimate/Large/Ultimate34.JPG

[Cinemaman]

I don't want Topher Grace as Venom, but I want Venom in SM3.
Because if Venom doesn't be in SM3, it will be some part boring.

[Joker]

You might want to get yourself prepared to see something more like this:

http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Pics/E/EddieBrockJr.JPG

http://www.samruby.com/Series/Ultimate/Large/Ultimate34.JPG

Well I would but you see there's just one problem: These movies ain't based on the Ultimate comics :D

[Cinemaman]

You might want to get yourself prepared to see something more like this:

http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Pics/E/EddieBrockJr.JPG

http://www.samruby.com/Series/Ultimate/Large/Ultimate34.JPG

If Grace plays this version of Eddie Brock, I will agree with this.

[ScottishFogg]

Well I would but you see there's just one problem: These movies ain't based on the Ultimate comics :D

the movies are based on Spider-Man comics. period. Raimi doesn't seem to be making the statement "we're only using 616 continuity," or "just the stuff from Amazing." he's creating his own universe, that's why you have no Gwen, no mechanic webshooters, blah blah blah.

what would be so horrible about an Ultimized villain? at this point, Ultimate Venom seems like a far superior choice over 616 Venom.

[BruceWayne05]

i hope they do it like spawn(esp the mask) but extra fluid

[Cinemaman]

i hope they do it like spawn(esp the mask) but extra fluid

I hope too.
They will make all Venom's body in new techology of CGI-effects. But Venom will be darker and real than Hulk.

[Genosha]

I like Topher as Venom. I think its great for Raimi to fiddle with duality issues between Spidey and Venom.

Perhaps have Brock be the new suitor to Mary Jane to make Peter's life more miserable.

I think it would be far more interesting to make Venom a polar opposite of Spidey than have him be muscle-bound Eddie Brock going nutso and saying, "I want Spider-Brains!".
I believe audiences, people who aren't totally aware of everything in the Spidey mythos, would accept Venom as more realistic and dangerous coming from somebody like Grace.

Leave the muscle work to Sandman and Flint Marko.

[Jason Martell]

If there is a god,and Sony have an ounce of sense,Venom will not be in SM-3.

If the unthinkable happens and Venom is in SM-3,well as Eddie Brock he'll look like a joke because Topher Grace is supposed to be this:

http://img291.echo.cx/img291/9516/venomeddie8mm.jpg

You know in reality, they probably need somebody small because they have to fit that mask with that mouth over their head. It would be real difficult to fit a Venom mask over somebody with a large head like say, somebody real tall. That picture of Venom's face wouldn't even fit on that picture of Brock's head. Remember you can see inside venom's mouth. We don't want to look inside and see the guys face taking up all the room where his teeth and tounge should be. I personally want longer teeth. You know in real life, Grace is older than he looks on the show. In real life he has a rougher look to him. And unless they show him without his shirt on, they can easily make him look buff. Wearing padded muscles under his clothes, and of course the muscle enhanced Venom suit. I originally didn't like the idea of Grace playing Venom but, I'm warming up to it. I actually think Venom will look good, and then they will improve on him for part 4, and Carnage will just look perfect. The important thing, is that Venom's skin need to look like liquid. And his face needs to show expression. His smile and his eyes can change shape to show expression like in the comic book. And when he gets punched he should look soft, except for his teeth.

[Bicranial]

I like Topher as Venom. I think its great for Raimi to fiddle with duality issues between Spidey and Venom.

Perhaps have Brock be the new suitor to Mary Jane to make Peter's life more miserable.

I think it would be far more interesting to make Venom a polar opposite of Spidey than have him be muscle-bound Eddie Brock going nutso and saying, "I want Spider-Brains!".
I believe audiences, people who aren't totally aware of everything in the Spidey mythos, would accept Venom as more realistic and dangerous coming from somebody like Grace.

Leave the muscle work to Sandman and Flint Marko.

You are absolutely, 100% right on. This is a wonderful response, and very close to what we'll see in the movie, IMO. I hope, for everyone's sake, that this is right. Even the Venom supporters must see that this is the only way it will translate to the big screen.

[Cinemaman]

I like Topher as Venom. I think its great for Raimi to fiddle with duality issues between Spidey and Venom.

Perhaps have Brock be the new suitor to Mary Jane to make Peter's life more miserable.

I think it would be far more interesting to make Venom a polar opposite of Spidey than have him be muscle-bound Eddie Brock going nutso and saying, "I want Spider-Brains!".
I believe audiences, people who aren't totally aware of everything in the Spidey mythos, would accept Venom as more realistic and dangerous coming from somebody like Grace.

Leave the muscle work to Sandman and Flint Marko.

I agree with you, and like the idea to make Brock a polar opposite of Spidey. But I hope that Venom will be powerful and have muscle.

[Jason Martell]

I don't know. I think Venom needs to be a muscle bound huge monster.

[spider-neil]

You might want to get yourself prepared to see something more like this:

http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Pics/E/EddieBrockJr.JPG

http://www.samruby.com/Series/Ultimate/Large/Ultimate34.JPG

insiders on freeze dried say the costume is black with a purple tint as above

http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/news/index.php?Action=Full&NewsID=3564

[StreetFighter]

Note not a single mention of the now confirmed Sandman?

[Jason Martell]

I think he should be black with a bluish tint, maybe the purple is only for at night.

[spider-neil]

Note not a single mention of the now confirmed Sandman?

go to the main freeze dried page and search for spider-man articles.
they scooped sandman ages and are sure venom is the main bad guy.

[el brujo138]

the movies are based on Spider-Man comics. period. Raimi doesn't seem to be making the statement "we're only using 616 continuity," or "just the stuff from Amazing." he's creating his own universe, that's why you have no Gwen, no mechanic webshooters, blah blah blah.

what would be so horrible about an Ultimized villain? at this point, Ultimate Venom seems like a far superior choice over 616 Venom.

Well one thing is for certain Raimi is not using the Ultimate universe to build his movies as they are completly diffrent, they are based more on the classic universe so that argument is not correct.

[Morg]

gotta feeling Venom going be lame, in the comics he looks cool but on screen?? Time will tell

[Joker]

the movies are based on Spider-Man comics. period. Raimi doesn't seem to be making the statement "we're only using 616 continuity," or "just the stuff from Amazing." he's creating his own universe, that's why you have no Gwen, no mechanic webshooters, blah blah blah.

Well now let's see:

Were Peter and MJ 15 years old???? No
Did Norman Osborn mutate into a big huge Goblin monster??? No
Did Ock have scarred eyes,was sensitive to light and wear his tentacles in the front of him??? No
Was Uncle Ben a hippy guy with a pony tail??? No

Sam Raimi doesn't have to make a public statement saying he's using the 616 comics as his source.It is blatantly obvious.

what would be so horrible about an Ultimized villain? at this point, Ultimate Venom seems like a far superior choice over 616 Venom.

Who said it was horrible to use an Ultimate villain?? I merely pointed out the obvious.These movies are not based on the Ultimate comics.Therefore Ultimate style characters are not gonna happen.

I've seen homages to the 616 comics in the movies.Can you show me some from USM??? Nope.

And before you jump in and say GG taking MJ to the bridge is based from USM then save it.That story came out 4 months after SM-1 was released.Bendis ripped it off the movie.

[Spidey-Jason]

With the technology the Sony crew have in their hands,Venom(if he´s in the movie) is gonna look damn cool!:spidey:

[el brujo138]

I agree with Doc Ock, besides isnt Sam Rami a well known fan of classic Spider-Man? There is nothing from Ultimate Spider-Man in the movies so Topher playing Eddie Brock would make no sense what so ever considering the physicall diffrence between them.

[venomous]

To tell you the truth, Ultimate venom doesn't look far off from 616 at all (even though it's really peter not eddie). Technically he could use Ultimate. ;)

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/5268/bothpages2ev.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[el brujo138]

Yeah Venom looks the same in Ultimate but Eddie does not besides Raimi is not using Ultimate as sourcematerial like Doc Ock proved in his post.

[Jason Martell]

To tell you the truth, Ultimate venom doesn't look far off from 616 at all (even though it's really peter not eddie). Technically he could use Ultimate. ;)

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/5268/bothpages2ev.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

that's how venom should look, but when the tongue is in his mouth I think his teeth should grow longer, and then retract again when his tongue is sticking out. I shouldn't say retract. I should say grown and shrink. It would be easy to make that look cool, because of the way Venom's skin should crawl and look liquidy. I actually haven't read practically anything Ultimate, but that scene there is pretty cool. Maybe in the movie they should have Spider-Man look like he normally did wearing the black suit, bu then after it starts to take over this happens(except it's not the guy that killed his uncle), and that's what finally convinces Peter it's time for the symbiote to go.

[Joseph_Freefall]

Well now let's see:

Were Peter and MJ 15 years old???? No
Did Norman Osborn mutate into a big huge Goblin monster??? No
Did Ock have scarred eyes,was sensitive to light and wear his tentacles in the front of him??? No
Was Uncle Ben a hippy guy with a pony tail??? No

Sam Raimi doesn't have to make a public statement saying he's using the 616 comics as his source.It is blatantly obvious.



Who said it was horrible to use an Ultimate villain?? I merely pointed out the obvious.These movies are not based on the Ultimate comics.Therefore Ultimate style characters are not gonna happen.

I've seen homages to the 616 comics in the movies.Can you show me some from USM??? Nope.

And before you jump in and say GG taking MJ to the bridge is based from USM then save it.That story came out 4 months after SM-1 was released.Bendis ripped it off the movie.
And who's to say Raimi doesn't start basing some of it off the Ultimate universe with SM3?

[Fathermithras]

Well now let's see:

Were Peter and MJ 15 years old???? No
Did Norman Osborn mutate into a big huge Goblin monster??? No
Did Ock have scarred eyes,was sensitive to light and wear his tentacles in the front of him??? No
Was Uncle Ben a hippy guy with a pony tail??? No

Sam Raimi doesn't have to make a public statement saying he's using the 616 comics as his source.It is blatantly obvious.

Quote:
what would be so horrible about an Ultimized villain? at this point, Ultimate Venom seems like a far superior choice over 616 Venom.


Who said it was horrible to use an Ultimate villain?? I merely pointed out the obvious.These movies are not based on the Ultimate comics.Therefore Ultimate style characters are not gonna happen.

I've seen homages to the 616 comics in the movies.Can you show me some from USM??? Nope.

And before you jump in and say GG taking MJ to the bridge is based from USM then save it.That story came out 4 months after SM-1 was released.Bendis ripped it off the movie. [QUOTE]

Yes, because he didn't say "He may base some of it off the ulitmate comics" He clearly said "Of course! The entire movies are based on them!!!"

The argument against the ultimate aspects is ridiculous, since almost nothing int the movies are a direct or even near direct take from the 616 comics. He was bit by a mutant spider, Uncle Ben was shot in a car jacking, Pete loved MJ from the time he was a kid, No webshooters, Pete's clinging powers work different, Aunt May loves him, No Gwen, Betty, etc. Doc Ock was frekaing controlled by evil sentient tentacles for mithras' sake!

See the point? He's using the basics of spidey and doing something completely and utterly different. He is in no way bound to the 616 universe. Saying so is ridiculous and unsupported by the facts. Raimi can borrow from anything he wants, and nothing is stopping him from using an ultimate concept (Like FF did) to make an easier time of introducing Venom. 616 venom would be fudged totally if put in the movie, especially with Topher Grace playing him. NOT undoable, but a large part of the character would be missing. Ultimate is the most popular spidey line, and since (As stated) he's not bound by 616 or any other continuity, he can use whatever he wants.

I am not stating he will obviously use Ultimate Venom. I doubt he will to be perfectly honest. But to make the statement that he will NOT because the movies are based on the 616 shows clear ignorance of the facts. The movie is utterly, completely different from 616. It is different from ultimate as well. But nothing stops him from using material from either of them, or creating his own.

And about the "Was GG a giant monster!?"... Was he in a mechanical armor in the comic? No. Did he die in their first few encounters? No. Useless argument.

[Joker]

And who's to say Raimi doesn't start basing some of it off the Ultimate universe with SM3?

After two movies of not using them I think it's safe to say he's not.Why would he??? He's a self professed 616 fan.

He has over 40 years of material there,as opposed to 5 years of Bendis' stuff based off the 616 comics.

Yeah I'll put my money on no Ultimate stuff in SM-3,just like the other two :)

[Joker]

Yes, because he didn't say "He may base some of it off the ulitmate comics" He clearly said "Of course! The entire movies are based on them!!!"

The argument against the ultimate aspects is ridiculous, since almost nothing int the movies are a direct or even near direct take from the 616 comics. He was bit by a mutant spider, Uncle Ben was shot in a car jacking, Pete loved MJ from the time he was a kid, No webshooters, Pete's clinging powers work different, Aunt May loves him, No Gwen, Betty, etc. Doc Ock was frekaing controlled by evil sentient tentacles for mithras' sake!

All of what you said there is not from the Ultimate comics.So you've just re-enforced my point that nothing from Ultimate has been used yet.

But we've had plenty from 616.

See the point? He's using the basics of spidey and doing something completely and utterly different. He is in no way bound to the 616 universe. Saying so is ridiculous and unsupported by the facts. Raimi can borrow from anything he wants, and nothing is stopping him from using an ultimate concept (Like FF did) to make an easier time of introducing Venom. 616 venom would be fudged totally if put in the movie, especially with Topher Grace playing him. NOT undoable, but a large part of the character would be missing. Ultimate is the most popular spidey line, and since (As stated) he's not bound by 616 or any other continuity, he can use whatever he wants.

Nobody says he's bound to 616.He clearly wants to stay with 616 looking at the previous two movies.

People are basing their arguements for Ultimate Venom being used on NOTHING. I'm basing my opinion on Raimi saying he is a 616 fan,and the fact nothing from USM has been used in the movies.

And I confidently think won't be used in SM-3 either.


And about the "Was GG a giant monster!?"... Was he in a mechanical armor in the comic? No. Did he die in their first few encounters? No. Useless argument.

No that is a useless arguement.

Do you really think the purple cap and elf shoes with green spandex would have looked good on screen???

Of course not.Green Goblin needed a revamp in costume.

[Fathermithras]

You misinterpreted my comments. You stated he would not use anything from Ultimate based on the fact he based his material on 616 and I showed how almost nothing is take canon-wise from 616. It's all his own interpretation bjased on elements fans are familiar with. I did not state he would use USM, or even that he's likely to. I only stated it is a possibility, based on the fact that Ultimate Venom's Eddie Brock is more akin to Grace. I do not see why he would have picked someone so blatantly UN-616 if he intended to go with the mainstream universe version.


All of what you said there is not from the Ultimate comics.So you've just re-enforced my point that nothing from Ultimate has been used yet.file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/WILLIA%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.jpgfile:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/WILLIA%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-3.jpg

What I was trying to do was show you very little is taken from the 616.


Nobody says he's bound to 616.He clearly wants to stay with 616 looking at the previous two movies.

From my earlier comments about the extreme variance from 616, he clearly does not.

People are basing their arguements for Ultimate Venom being used on NOTHING.

Then you're not paying attention. they base it off the factthe actor who is supposed to be playing him looks nothing like the 616 version of the character, yet is remarkably simiar to the Ultimate. This is obviously not a conclusive argument, or even an extremely compeeling one, but it is far from nothing.


No that is a useless arguement.

Do you really thing the purple cap and elf shoes with green spandex would have looked good on screen???

Your opinion does not in any way, shape or from constitute fact. The general reaction from the movie was that they DID want a version of the Goblin wearing a costume suit, with perhaps a few minor updates (For example, using methods akin to the Spidey suit, which is of course not simply spandex).

Once again, not saying they will use Ultimate version. Merely that stating that he absolutely will not is based on unsound arguments. He can at anytime choose to use any idea he's presented with (especially since USM is Spidey's best selling title). Fantastic Four used this method for the Doc Doom character, making an easier introduction of a villiam for a wildly successful (Though disappointing for me) film. So it has been done in Marvel films before.

Claiming he won't use anything other then 616 because he clearly keeps to 616 is not based on the facts. Saying he will definately used Ultimate is mere speculation, with only a small argument for it. This does not make it impossible, nor does it make it likely.

[Joker]

You misinterpreted my comments. You stated he would not use anything from Ultimate based on the fact he based his material on 616 and I showed how almost nothing is take canon-wise from 616. It's all his own interpretation bjased on elements fans are familiar with. I did not state he would use USM, or even that he's likely to. I only stated it is a possibility, based on the fact that Ultimate Venom's Eddie Brock is more akin to Grace. I do not see why he would have picked someone so blatantly UN-616 if he intended to go with the mainstream universe version.

Oh believe me I know Raimi is not 100% faithful to the comics.Far from it.Most of his changes I do not approve of at all.

But my point is his changes were not from Ultimate.So when Raimi does change something he seems to change in a way he sees it.His own vision.

Then you're not paying attention. they base it off the factthe actor who is supposed to be playing him looks nothing like the 616 version of the character, yet is remarkably simiar to the Ultimate. This is obviously not a conclusive argument, or even an extremely compeeling one, but it is far from nothing.

But that's just it.There is ZERO confirmation that Topher Grace is Venom thank god.Not to mention the fact he looks nothing like Eddie Brock.

Look at the previous villains.Would you say Molina and Dafoe look alot alike the villains they played??? I sure would.Especially Molina.

And now look at Church.Like Molina he is practically identical to his villainous comic counterpart.

So why people think Raimi would choose an actor so dramatically different from Venom to play Venom really is beyond me.Wishful thinking most likely.

Your opinion does not in any way, shape or from constitute fact. The general reaction from the movie was that they DID want a version of the Goblin wearing a costume suit, with perhaps a few minor updates (For example, using methods akin to the Spidey suit, which is of course not simply spandex).

Claiming he won't use anything other then 616 because he clearly keeps to 616 is not based on the facts. Saying he will definately used Ultimate is mere speculation, with only a small argument for it. This does not make it impossible, nor does it make it likely.

I never said it was fact.I said I was confident he wouldn't.After one movie I wouldn't be as confident.But after two movies,plus reading and seeing several interviews with Raimi,I am positive he is 100% 616 fan.

Like I said I'm basing my opinion on what we know.Raimi seems to be a creature of habit with his movies.He sticks to a certain type of formula.

[Fathermithras]

Oh believe me I know Raimi is not 100% faithful to the comics.Far from it.Most of his changes I do not approve of at all.

But my point is his changes were not from Ultimate.So when Raimi does change something he seems to change in a way he sees it.His own vision.


Agreed on both accounts. the changes have been pretty freaking stupid haven't they?



But that's just it.There is ZERO confirmation that Topher Grace is Venom thank god.Not to mention the fact he looks nothing like Eddie Brock.

Look at the previous villains.Would you say Molina and Dafoe look alot alike the villains they played??? I sure would.Especially Molina.

And now look at Church.Like Molina he is practically identical to his villainous comic counterpart.

Not zero confirmation. It simply was not official confirmation. It WAS however, confirmation from a source who has spilled the beans before (The liz error was not an error. Liz was taken out AFTER she spilled it. She confirmed Ock, and Sandman thus far. Not 100 percent, but good.).

However, you make a good point! so far, the actors have looked like who they are supposed to play. This brings up a statement of yours that supports Ultimate Venom (If indeed the reports of him being in the movie, are true)

So why people think Raimi would choose an actor so dramatically different from Venom to play Venom really is beyond me.

We have unofficial reports from a reliable source Topher is Venom. Topher does not look like 616 Brock. HOWEVER, he looks very much like Ultimate Brock. So far every character has looked like their comic counterpart. Thus if he continues this kind of casting, this appears to be evidence (Not conclusive of course, but evidence) that he will be using Ultimate Brock.

You state most of the actors look like their character. If Topher is Venom (which we have from a source who so far has only been wrong on villians when they took one out after her confrimation) he LOOKS like Ultimate Venom. That would conform to Raimi's previous casting.



I never said it was fact.I said I was confident he wouldn't.After one movie I wouldn't be as confident.But after two movies,plus reading and seeing several interviews with Raimi,I am positive he is 100% 616 fan.

Like I said I'm basing my opinion on what we know.Raimi seems to be a creature of habit with his movies.He sticks to a certain type of formula.

during the first movie ultimate was barely in existence, so of course he didn't use any. The Second movie does not conform in any way to the 616 Doc Ock, nothing at all except that an accident made him have the tentacles, and even then they made him evil in a different way entirely.

He is a creature of habit, but so far 616 is not his habit. BUT, his habit IS to hire actors that resemble the parts they're playing, which COULD lead us to believe he may use an Ultimate (or semi-ultimate) Brock.

I'm not trying to convince you he WILL. I'm trying to get you to understand that it's not totally implausible. There IS an argument for it that is reasonable. Doesn't mean he will, but arguing the point isn't merely wishful thinking.

[CHEZ]

Each Spider-Man film release makes less profit,(by a small margin, but nonetheless) and each one must be an improvement over the last, meaning each one will cost more to produce than the last. It's like a being stuck between a rock and a hard place, because with less profit, will come less investment. With less investment the value decreases.
It seems likely that Venom would be "unable" to receive the sfx caliber it needs to be successful.
So my guess, and not to be unfair, is that the fx will likely flop, because Venom would be extremely costly to produce.
Unless they change Venom for his big screen appearance, thus cheapening the character.
But hey, you get a "Venom" that slightly resembles the Venom from the comics.

[Fathermithras]

I think if Venom is used they need to go with a mix of puppetry and cgi. CGI is nice, but puppetry (when done well) looks so much better and more real. CGI almost always has this fakeness to it.

[Joker]

Agreed on both accounts. the changes have been pretty freaking stupid haven't they?

Very stupid.The ones that irritate me the most are the changes to Ock's character,how it's all about a girl,Green Goblin's plan,if you can call it that,was very weak for such an awesome villain,and the character of MJ is written terribly.


I'm not trying to convince you he WILL. I'm trying to get you to understand that it's not totally implausible. There IS an argument for it that is reasonable. Doesn't mean he will, but arguing the point isn't merely wishful thinking.

Oh I know there's an arguement.I just think it's an incredibally weak one ;)

Like someone saying that there is a chance Madame Webb will be in this one guiding Spider-Man.

Is there a chance of that?? Yes.

Is it a big chance??? Hell no.

If you ask me Topher is playing Electro.Not my first choice for the role,but with a little stretch of the imagination I can see him as Electro.

Nothing,no matter how hard I try,can make me see Topher as Eddie Brock.The Ultimate version doesn't even come into the equation with me.And I suspect the same with Raimi too.

[Fathermithras]

Cool. Madame web example though, isn't a good comparison, but I see what you're trying to sat.

Why do you think he's playing elctro by the way? I think he'd be a good one, but that rumor has no evidence at all, as opposed to the Venom one. The reason I'd say UltVenom is because I too cannot see any way in hell that Topher could be Brock from 616!

On a side note it's nice to see people actually respecting one another instead of engaging in a "Ur stewpid" "No, U R Fahg." face off of bull****ting.

[Joker]

Cool. Madame web example though, isn't a good comparison, but I see what you're trying to sat.

Well I used Madame Webb as an example because I think an inter-dimensional granny has the same chance as Ultimate Eddie being in SM-3 ;)

Why do you think he's playing elctro by the way? I think he'd be a good one, but that rumor has no evidence at all, as opposed to the Venom one. The reason I'd say UltVenom is because I too cannot see any way in hell that Topher could be Brock from 616!

Well three reasons really.

1.Topher Grace if he is playing a villain,looks like Electro more than any other of the remaining big time villains that have yet to make it to the movies.And like I said,Raimi hires actors who look like the villains.That's one thing I can't fault him with.

2.AICN,who have been saying from the get go since Church was 1st cast,that their sources were reporting Sandman.Also back in the SM-2 days they reported several scoops which were true,including a description of footage of the cafe scene in SM-2 before the trailer even came out.And they say their sources are certain Grace is playing Electro.

3.Electro is a classic.Right from Stan Lee's day.Like GG,Ock and Sandman.Raimi loves the classics big time.He grew up with them.And Venom is no classic.

On a side note it's nice to see people actually respecting one another instead of engaging in a "Ur stewpid" "No, U R Fahg." face off of bull****ting.

Yes it's a nice change.

Visit the Sandman revealed thread at the top of the forum.

Plenty of that crap was going on in there :down

[Rez]

Everyone else has already said anything I would have better.... I am of the belief that it is certainly Grace as Venom.

[Fathermithras]

Well I used Madame Webb as an example because I think an inter-dimensional granny has the same chance as Ultimate Eddie being in SM-3 ;)

That's fine, though Venom is all but officially confirmer so i think your opinion is a bit odd, though i respect it.

1.Topher Grace if he is playing a villain,looks like Electro more than any other of the remaining big time villains that have yet to make it to the movies.And like I said,Raimi hires actors who look like the villains.That's one thing I can't fault him with.

I could agree if Venom wasn't all but officiallt confirmed. Besides, he looks like Molten man, Ned Leeds, and a few other blonde villians as well.


2.AICN,who have been saying from the get go since Church was 1st cast,that their sources were reporting Sandman.Also back in the SM-2 days they reported several scoops which were true,including a description of footage of the cafe scene in SM-2 before the trailer even came out.And they say their sources are certain Grace is playing Electro.

Interesting note! I think Dunst is a very reliable source but if there's a better one I'd be willing to alter my opinion on the matter. AICN has an article though, that makes it sound like they're unsure who he'll play.


3.Electro is a classic.Right from Stan Lee's day.Like GG,Ock and Sandman.Raimi loves the classics big time.He grew up with them.And Venom is no classic.

True! But he's not poular at all. If he were the main villian, it'd be a bit reminiscent of Doc Doom too, but I'd like it.

Interesting...

[Kritish]

I want him to be frikin scary, the kind of thing that gives 7 year olds nightmares .

[Jason Martell]

Each Spider-Man film release makes less profit,(by a small margin, but nonetheless) and each one must be an improvement over the last, meaning each one will cost more to produce than the last. It's like a being stuck between a rock and a hard place, because with less profit, will come less investment. With less investment the value decreases.
It seems likely that Venom would be "unable" to receive the sfx caliber it needs to be successful.
So my guess, and not to be unfair, is that the fx will likely flop, because Venom would be extremely costly to produce.
Unless they change Venom for his big screen appearance, thus cheapening the character.
But hey, you get a "Venom" that slightly resembles the Venom from the comics.

that's what I am terrified of. LIterally terrified of. but I honestly believe that if Venom is in the movie and preview, and he looks as good as possible, and the movie is the best spidey movie yet, and it doesn't have too much competition in the week before it's released and the next two weeks after that, and it's promoted properly it will be the biggest movie of all time! The reason I say that is because if you get a huge first two weeks, you will get enourmous positivie word of mouth advertising. Combine that with an awesome looking Venom in the previews and everybody and their mother will want to see this movie. And Venom can help bring that huge opening two weeks. So it all rests now, on how good Venom looks, competition, and how good the movie is. Because competition and Venom quality will decide the opening two weeks. Opening two weeks will result in the best word of mouth advertising which will decide whether it's the biggest movie of all time. NO other companies will risk a big budget movie to compete with Spidey 3, so the time slot is secured. I'm sure Sony realized this. So it all comes down to how much money are they willing to risk that money?

Anybody know the budget for this movie? Remember guys they have been working on these effects for like a year and a half now. and Ock looked perfect.

[spider-neil]

in ultimate eddie is skinny he puts the suit on and becomes huge.

look at what the muscle suit did for ron pearlman(sp) in hellboy, that was an incredible transformation.

I think it is totally possible for topher to look large

[spider-neil]

that's what I am terrified of. LIterally terrified of. but I honestly believe that if Venom is in the movie and preview, and he looks as good as possible, and the movie is the best spidey movie yet, and it doesn't have too much competition in the week before it's released and the next two weeks after that, and it's promoted properly it will be the biggest movie of all time! The reason I say that is because if you get a huge first two weeks, you will get enourmous positivie word of mouth advertising. Combine that with an awesome looking Venom in the previews and everybody and their mother will want to see this movie. And Venom can help bring that huge opening two weeks. So it all rests now, on how good Venom looks, competition, and how good the movie is. Because competition and Venom quality will decide the opening two weeks. Opening two weeks will result in the best word of mouth advertising which will decide whether it's the biggest movie of all time. NO other companies will risk a big budget movie to compete with Spidey 3, so the time slot is secured. I'm sure Sony realized this. So it all comes down to how much money are they willing to risk that money?

Anybody know the budget for this movie? Remember guys they have been working on these effects for like a year and a half now. and Ock looked perfect.


the effects for venom and sandman will be awesome
sure with every movie that comes out the profit margin shrinks but remember the effects house (sony pictures imageworks) already have the data for spider-man (a HUGE outlay in spider-man 1) so they can concentrate on oil/liquid effects for venom and mud/dust effects for sandman.
also the make up department will take off some of the load for visual effects.

[Cinemaman]

I think they will do some mix of Ultimate Venom and classic.
I don't think that Sam will use Electro in SM3.
CGI have a new technology of visual effects, and they will make great and real Venom.

[el brujo138]

Going on all the evidence we have so far were to movies are heading storywise and how the actors so far have resembled the classic villains and not the ultimate versions of the villains I dont think the chances of seeing Venom in the next movie are that big.

The story so far in the movies have focused on three things: First the love story between Peter and MJ. Secondly Oscorp being involved in the creation of the villains, science gone wrong. Thirdly the story so far has focused on the Osbournes/Goblin story.

So far the movies has focused on classic Spider-Man stories and I just dont see how Venom fits in all of this and that is what I would like to have answered by thoose who are so ceratain that Venom wil be in the next movie. Dont give me the answer about what Kirsten said because I already know that, what I want to know is how the pro-Venom camp see him fitting in to all of this because frankly I dont see any room for him until the Goblin story arc has been finished.

[xXSOADXx]

So how cool will Venom look? In the first Spider-Man often times Spider-Man looked fake, like something out of a video game. So here's the million dollar question. How cool will Venom look? They might not get it perfect. Or they might make him satsifying, but not mindblowing. His face might not show facial expressions. He might always have the exact same look on his face. So what do you guys think?


spider man has a costume so he cant really have a moving mouth :spidey: but venom has a sute that becomes him so its like his skin.... :venom: sooo hes got a working mouth, but im sure they wont make it all cgi like some ppl think... atleast i hope not because it might look cheezy. maby the mouth will be cgi cos i dont think toffer grace will be able to do the tounge thing :D

[daveswb]

I think it's most important to remember that these movies most definetly have thier own versions of the charaters.

Did the green gobin look like any incarnation from the comics? Did Doc Ock? No! Neither will Venom. Yes it appears they got Sandman right, but then again it's just a striped green shirt. Simple enough. They could of put him in any outfit, but with out CGI applied the green stripped shirt gives away who he is. He may only wear that shirt once in the movie, but that's all the fans really need. Brock and Venom will be a totally unique take on the character. I think it's the only way they can do justice to the character in the movies.

Also remeber there haen't been any pics of grace released since he started training. Any one wonder why? Look at that pic of church. His arms aren't huge but you can tell from that pic he's been working out. He definetly has a bigger chest. They must of had him lifting a lot. He is also older, so I'm sure it's harde for him to get into shape. Grace is young, you'd be suprised what daily weight lifting for 6 months can do to a person. And don't put it past a hollywood trainer to be feeding him steriods. I think we will suprise us. Maybe not look like arnold when he is done, but still he'll be bigge than people think.

[Genosha]

I think they will do some mix of Ultimate Venom and classic.
I don't think that Sam will use Electro in SM3.
CGI have a new technology of visual effects, and they will make great and real Venom.

I have to admit, as much as I love Venom, I wouldn't mind throwing in Electro instead.
He could be just as visually stunning as Sandman will be and I always thought Electro was an underrated Spidey villian.

[Cinemaman]

I have to admit, as much as I love Venom, I wouldn't mind throwing in Electro instead.
He could be just as visually stunning as Sandman will be and I always thought Electro was an underrated Spidey villian.

So what villian do you want in SM3?

[Fathermithras]

Originally Posted by Cinemaman
I think they will do some mix of Ultimate Venom and classic.
I don't think that Sam will use Electro in SM3.
CGI have a new technology of visual effects, and they will make great and real Venom.


Venom is the most likely villian thus far, and he will likely be a young Eddie Brock around Pete's age t act as a foil (like the Ultimate one) since Grace is so similar in appearance and age to Maguire. Electro isn't popular enough to get in the movie. If he did I'd be shocked.

I REALLY hope Venom is done with Puppets and suits quite a bit. CGI for the whole character would be dick.

[spideydave]

Did everyone forget that Topher Grace is WORKING OUT. Hes been working ob being buff since LAST APRIL!!!!!! And they film this movie in January. Im guessing he should be pretty buff since Tobey got buff and fit for the 1st Spidey in only 5 monthes. Plus, a witness says they saw Grace in LA at Crunch ( fitness club) and he looked like a Football player. WITH blond hair. Leave the dude alone.

[willi-jay]

Back in the early 90s when I first heard the rumors about a spiderman movie, knowing the comics, the only choice for venom was Brian Bosworth (ex-football player). He's pushing 40 now but even with his mediocre acting I still think visually he's the perfect Eddie Brock.(http://www.beckys-place.net/boz.html)

[Jason Martell]

no way, he looks like too much of a jock.

[willi-jay]

He WAS a body builder!!!

[spider-neil]

Back in the early 90s when I first heard the rumors about a spiderman movie, knowing the comics, the only choice for venom was Brian Bosworth (ex-football player). He's pushing 40 now but even with his mediocre acting I still think visually he's the perfect Eddie Brock.(http://www.beckys-place.net/boz.html)

I'd rather someone who didn't look 100% the part but can act
i.e. keaten - batman

rahter than someone who looks the part and can't act for toffee
bane - batman & robin 'MONKEYYYY!!!!'

[ApocolypseNow]

Dated? Look again at Spider-Man 2. It's only 1 year old. What kind of effects have come out since #2 came out, that make #2 look dated? In my opinion Matrx 2 and 3 are the only movies that effects better than those shown in part 2. Look at the train scene of Spider-Man 2.
they didnt really have the best CGI anyway, he looked like a cartoon the whole time.

[CHEZ]

Did everyone forget that Topher Grace is WORKING OUT. Hes been working ob being buff since LAST APRIL!!!!!! And they film this movie in January. Im guessing he should be pretty buff since Tobey got buff and fit for the 1st Spidey in only 5 monthes. Plus, a witness says they saw Grace in LA at Crunch ( fitness club) and he looked like a Football player. WITH blond hair. Leave the dude alone.


What witness? Where did you hear/read that?


I imagine Grace should be pretty buff by now, but I still don't understand why they would even bother to go through all that trouble. Why would they choose him for Eddie Brock (if he is indeed playing that role)
Don't get me wrong, I like Topher Grace. I always felt he would have made a better Peter Parker than Tobey Maguire.
But, I keep thinking, like many others here in the hype, that he is a very very strange choice for Brock. I'm kinda hoping he'll end up being someone else.
Even though, I don't care for Electro, I could see him in that role before Venom, that's for sure.
It's just all very curious....

[Jason Martell]

they didnt really have the best CGI anyway, he looked like a cartoon the whole time.

That's complete BS. There were like 3 seconds at the most during part 2 where it didn't look 100% real. Exactly how it would look in real life.

[spideydave]

What witness? Where did you hear/read that?


I imagine Grace should be pretty buff by now, but I still don't understand why they would even bother to go through all that trouble. Why would they choose him for Eddie Brock (if he is indeed playing that role)
Don't get me wrong, I like Topher Grace. I always felt he would have made a better Peter Parker than Tobey Maguire.
But, I keep thinking, like many others here in the hype, that he is a very very strange choice for Brock. I'm kinda hoping he'll end up being someone else.
Even though, I don't care for Electro, I could see him in that role before Venom, that's for sure.
It's just all very curious....


I read about it in SFX mag and US weekly

[Venom'sDad]

What witness? Where did you hear/read that?


I imagine Grace should be pretty buff by now, but I still don't understand why they would even bother to go through all that trouble. Why would they choose him for Eddie Brock (if he is indeed playing that role)
Don't get me wrong, I like Topher Grace. I always felt he would have made a better Peter Parker than Tobey Maguire.
But, I keep thinking, like many others here in the hype, that he is a very very strange choice for Brock. I'm kinda hoping he'll end up being someone else.
Even though, I don't care for Electro, I could see him in that role before Venom, that's for sure.
It's just all very curious....


Fear not Chez.... he will be The Chameleon. ;)

[BlackSpidey718]

He better be good. Not a skinny little biatch and he has to have the tounge and the crazy persona.

[Visionary]

VENOM should look somewhat like the creatures of the ALIEN movies, black and shiny, but with a human form of course.

However, I would only like to see EDDIE BROCK in Spidey 3, not VENOM. They should build VENOM up until Spidey 5. Allow the symbiote to land with John Jameson's space mission ion SM3, have Spidey wearing the symbiote suit in SM4 while fighting THE LIZARD featuring KRAVEN hunting them both and VENOM in SM5.

[GizmoeTheClown]

Im new here to the board, but I was wondering if anyone here has seen this pic yet?

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_12931029/__hr_Sandman.jpg?bcsrzfDBB75_NuYN (http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bananatreeproductions/vwp?.dir=/&.dnm=Sandman.jpg&.src=gr&.view=t)

[Danny Rand]

Yup...Good Pic..They really know how to pic the right actors... The Sandman is gonna be wicked!!!! Is Venom even gonna be in this movie??


Hey....how do I get an AVATAR under my name?? ANYONE KNOW??

[Red X]

$5 says venom isn't in Spider-man 3.

[Asteroid-Man]

I hope it looks cool

[the Firestarter]

i'd say cool... but not terribly convincing.

[Spensea]

http://www.rceverbeck.com

This is venom - the original cast in Spiderman

[borinquenknight]

It will be what Raimi envisions Venom as. So there might be a drastic departure from the traditional image. As different as comic book Green Goblin is from Movie Green Goblin. This would probably be for the best. I for one thought some of the effects on Spawn the mvie were way too over the top. It seemed story took backseat to the cape. I just want the Trilogy to end on a high note and not like the Blade series did.

[thorstone]

Wait, the poll is about special effects but Grace will be in a suit; most likely he will just look like Spiderman when he wears the suit. My fear is that Venom will be blue or purple; he is suppossed to be black.

If they do the teeth and tongue it will ruin the movie.

[Spensea]

Venom will be bad ass!

[the Firestarter]

who's to say that topher will be in the suit. it could be completed CG or partially CG. in the comics venom is a lot more bulky than spiderman.

maybe topher puts on the suit and it changes him or the appearance of it changes while on him. i would think that they would really go nuts on the special effects to make this happen.

[Arcturus]

Queston: Will Venom look cool or not cool, or fake, but cool?


Answer: Well I don't know know if Venom will look cool or not, because it doesn't really matter, even if he doesnt look cool, he'll be cool.

:down :confused:

[Chaos Bringer]

These movies ain't based on the Ultimate comics :D

that mighta been the case at the get go but guess what brother-prepare yourself for the switch. It's coming. Marvel is selling well more in the ultimate title than that of any other reg. spidey series.
oops, did it again.
dealt.

[Joker]

that mighta been the case at the get go but guess what brother-prepare yourself for the switch. It's coming. Marvel is selling well more in the ultimate title than that of any other reg. spidey series.
oops, did it again.
dealt.

It was the case with SM-2 as well,not just SM-1.

And in case you didn't notice 'brother',the stories are based from the old days.Ock's intro,GG's intro,Harry's vedetta against Spider-Man,Peter quitting being Spider-Man and tossing the costume in the trash can etc.It's all from the old days.

None of this is Ultimate stuff.I doubt Raimi has even read an Ultimate comic.He's old school 616 fan.

And if you think that just because USM is high in sales this year,holds any bearing on the movies,then prepare yourself for a shock :)

That said,if Gopher is Venom,then Eddie Brock will look like a joke,never mind Venom.

Dealt.

[darkendfire]

as much as i dislike his acting skills and corny lines, i think Vin Deisel could have done venom! lmao it would have been funny and cool, after all, they just have to splash black paint on him:woot: .

i just home they stick to as much of what the old venom looked like as they can.

[lizard855]

Have to wait till May

["Iron Man"]

Venom in the film looks just like he does in the comics.



So if you like his comics look, you're going to love his film look.



Simple as that.

[RobHimself]

That said,if Gopher is Venom,then Eddie Brock will look like a joke,never mind Venom.

Dealt.

Do you still feel this way?

I've always been a huge That 70's Show fan, and always thought Topher would make it huge some day, he's such a good young actor. But 10 months ago, I would of agreed with you 100% I just couldn't see Topher as a good Eddie Brock/Venom.

But after seeing pics of what he will look like, and watching the trailer and comic-con footage, I am convinced 100%, not only that he will be a good Eddie Brock, but I think he will steal the show in SM3 given his role is big enough.

But, that's just me.

[kevinpenni]

mindblowing... in Raimi I trust. :up:

[Naite22]

From what I've heard from Sony and the crew behind Spidey 3, the effects in it will be out of this world state of the art!... They're using entirely new developed methods to create SandMan, AND Venom! It'll be a spectacular blend of Make-Up, puppetering, CG, AND actual physical costume parts (with Venom that is!)... I think the result will be absolutely amazing! But we'll just have to wait and see, won't we:)

[Parquagh]

If Raimi is being so touchy about everything related to Venom, he must be mindblowing.... the effects must be really cool or we'll have... GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT
I have faith in Raimi and his CGI team...

[Fran]

This just should have been in the Offical Venom Thread.

[Spider-Bite]

as much as i dislike his acting skills and corny lines, i think Vin Deisel could have done venom! lmao it would have been funny and cool, after all, they just have to splash black paint on him:woot: .

i just home they stick to as much of what the old venom looked like as they can.

that's a hell of a bump, and not only that but Vin diesel would be worse than if they had casted Kirsten dunst as Peter parker.

[Spider-Bite]

as much as i dislike his acting skills and corny lines, i think Vin Deisel could have done venom! lmao it would have been funny and cool, after all, they just have to splash black paint on him:woot: .

i just home they stick to as much of what the old venom looked like as they can.

that's a hell of a bump, and not only that but Vin diesel would be worse than if they had casted Kirsten dunst as Peter parker.

[DACMAN]

The effects in Spiderman and even Spiderman 2 look dated now, but at the time I didn't mind. I don't even know what Venom is going to look like, let alone how real it will be.
So I voted not sure.
http://www.weekinrewind.com/images/SpiderMan.jpg

http://www.cinemablend.com/moviereviews/images/spiderman/trailer2/7.jpg

Spider-Man is COMPLETELY CGI in these shots. The only thing real is the building. You're nuts if you don't think that looks totally real.

And for those that don't believe me, watch the special features on the first DVD.

[Arcturus]

Mindblowing, the best effects of all time.

[Naite22]

http://www.weekinrewind.com/images/SpiderMan.jpg

http://www.cinemablend.com/moviereviews/images/spiderman/trailer2/7.jpg

Spider-Man is COMPLETELY CGI in these shots. The only thing real is the building. You're nuts if you don't think that looks totally real.

And for those that don't believe me, watch the special features on the first DVD.[/quote]

Holy crap! I didn't know that he was all CG in these shots... it looks 110% real!

[Tempest19]

Well now let's see:

Were Peter and MJ 15 years old???? No

Doc Ock, what I found so funny- no offense- was that you claimed to be an old school fan but fogot one key thing. One key change that the movie has made.

In the classic comic books, Peter Parker was not a senior at Midtown High School. He was a sophmore at Midtown High School. This was established in Spider-Man #240 and on many other occasions. Thus, the ages in Ultimate are actually closer to the 'old school' Spidey comics than those of the film.

But, throughout- albiet- there have been many 'age jumps' if you will.... for more on this go to:

Spider-Man 101 (http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/SpiderMan101/SpiderMan101Part6.html)

And scroll down to "How old is Spider-Man?"

So, just when differing Ultimate and the films. In regards to the age of Peter Parker- Ultimate was actually closer to "old school" than the films.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Venom in the film looks just like he does in the comics.



So if you like his comics look, you're going to love his film look.



Simple as that.same here.

[DACMAN]

http://www.weekinrewind.com/images/SpiderMan.jpg

http://www.cinemablend.com/moviereviews/images/spiderman/trailer2/7.jpg



Holy crap! I didn't know that he was all CG in these shots... it looks 110% real!
I'm sayin! It's easily the best CGI I've ever seen.

[WTFimVENOM]

I can't see Venom sucking at all,
Do you guys really think Raimi would go with a less than perfect Venom???
This is Marvels most sucessful franchise we're talking about remember??

[WTFimVENOM]

And if you think that just because USM is high in sales this year,holds any bearing on the movies,then prepare yourself for a shock :)

That said,if Gopher is Venom,then Eddie Brock will look like a joke,never mind Venom.

Dealt.
Im sorry your so close minded :o


And I guess since Norman Osborn didn't have rock hard abs he sucked as goblin???
Makes total sense ;)

[Eggyman]

I am honestly not sure how to vote - i am hoping he will look cool (obviously) but at the same time I don't know whether or not he will look fake - how on earth could he look realistick (big black spideyish thing with lolling tongue and big teeth). I think I know what you meen but it's a bit of a wierd question - i think he will look like he is really there but i don't think you could ever make venom look like he's supposed to be there in the real world . . . it's just such a big step away from what we've seen already, taking further into the realms of fantasy - Sandman too, for that matter.

[Visionary]

Yeah, because Spider-Man isn't deeply rooted in fantasy...he's real. :confused:

[kevinpenni]

from what we've heard at comic con and seen in the bootleg trailer as well as the "transforming" wallpaper - theres no doubt in my mind that Venom will look bad ass :up:

[Eggyman]

Yeah, because Spider-Man isn't deeply rooted in fantasy...he's real. :confused:

Anyone ever tell you that sarcasm's the lowest form of whit - Spidey's a man in a suit, apart from the powers he looks real. That, my snappy little friend, was my point.

[blitz]

I was at comic con and I can def say that venom looked a lot more realistic then I thought! AND VENOM ISNT EVEN COMPLETED!

[Visionary]

Anyone ever tell you that sarcasm's the lowest form of whit - Spidey's a man in a suit, apart from the powers he looks real. That, my snappy little friend, was my point.
Yeah, Spider-Man's a man in a suit, and Venom's a man in goop. Either way, once they start doing their thing, FANTASY kicks in, CGI takes hold. Making them look realistic every time you see them, ain't gonna happen. Unless, they're in suits the entire time--and that ain't happening either. So realism is pretty much going to be going back and forth. As much as I love LOTR, I could tell Gollum was CGI 90% of the time based on his looks and movements.:o

[Secret_Riddle]

i think he will be cool.

[Spider-Bite]

As much as I love LOTR, I could tell Gollum was CGI 90% of the time based on his looks and movements.:o

that was years ago already. Did you see king kong? or Pirates 2?

["Iron Man"]

Well while I was NOT sadly at Comic-Con, I did watch the bootleg footage on YouTube, and I must say that from what I can see Venom definetly looks like he does in the comics. And yes he looks very realistic.

[Spider-Bite]

from what we've heard at comic con and seen in the bootleg trailer as well as the "transforming" wallpaper - theres no doubt in my mind that Venom will look bad ass :up:

you have to remember how everybody made X-Men 3 sound. people will be so anxious and excited that with the few seconds they get to see they are unable to properly and thuroguly analyze it and decide how good it looks. It's not the same thing as when you get a clear view for a long period of time and can look at it again and again.

[fangrl06]

He's going to look fake, but you know I'll be going to see it anyway at least 7 times in theaters...

[fangrl06]

that was years ago already. Did you see king kong? or Pirates 2?
King Kong-worst movie ever made (next to Supergirl and Capt. America).

[Nebins]

Are there people out there who still believe Venom won't be in this movie?

[Eggyman]

Yeah, Spider-Man's a man in a suit, and Venom's a man in goop. Either way, once they start doing their thing, FANTASY kicks in, CGI takes hold. Making them look realistic every time you see them, ain't gonna happen. Unless, they're in suits the entire time--and that ain't happening either. So realism is pretty much going to be going back and forth. As much as I love LOTR, I could tell Gollum was CGI 90% of the time based on his looks and movements.:o

That was exactly my point; Venom, in my opinion, will be more cgi than spidey. Yep that was it . . . I think, and you just aggreed with me. :cwink:

oh, and I did originally say, "further into the realms of fantasy", but have a nice day, we will see in time.

[fangrl06]

Are there people out there who still believe Venom won't be in this movie?
:dry: ......where did that come from?

[fangrl06]

.........it's slow in here.

[Eggyman]

too true ;)

[WTFimVENOM]

Yeah, because Spider-Man isn't deeply rooted in fantasy...he's real. :confused:
Lol, that made me laugh

[Eggyman]

Lol, that made me laugh

I'm glad his killer whit wasn't completly wasted

[batman7289]

he'll look kool

[lordofthenerds]

Whoever voted "rediculous" need to go out and watch movies that don't have a gagillian dollar budgets.

[WTFimVENOM]

lol, amen to that
some people hav no clue

[WTFimVENOM]

I'm glad his killer whit wasn't completly wasted
Yeah... I know right?? :yay: :woot:

[Asteroid-Man]

It'll be like Yoda. Fricken sweet but still, you can tell it's fake. But everyone will love him non the less ;)

[WTFimVENOM]

^ Astriod-man, ever notice that symbiot spidey's spider symbol looks white when he swings toward the screen in ur avy??

[Asteroid-Man]

yep. I have actually. I put that avyy together one screen shot after the other. It's either an out of focus zoom on the spider or an easter egg. First possibility is more logical ;)

[WTFimVENOM]

lol yeah

[Spider-ManHero12]

yep. I have actually. I put that avyy together one screen shot after the other. It's either an out of focus zoom on the spider or an easter egg. First possibility is more logical ;)your avyy is great:up:.

[Spider-Bite]

King Kong-worst movie ever made (next to Supergirl and Capt. America).

than what's your definition of good? endless static for two hours?

[Visionary]

that was years ago already. Did you see king kong? or Pirates 2?
Yep, beside Kong himself, everything else looked totally CGI. Pirates 2 also, very much like Gollum you can tell what's what, although it still looked very good. Nobody can do human CGI without the eyes knowing that it's fake. Only for a short time span on film, can they pull it off--the eyes always knows when it comes to human CGI. Human CGI just isn't there yet, but I'm not saying that they should stop using it, practice makes perfect. If they don't continue to do it, they'll never master it.

Oh, and even from the blurry Comic-Con footage, I thought Venom looked damn good for unfinished CGI.;)

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yep, beside Kong himself, everything else looked totally CGI. Pirates 2 also, very much like Gollum you can tell what's what, although it still looked very good. Nobody can do human CGI without the eyes knowing that it's fake. Only for a short time span on film, can they pull it off--the eyes always knows when it comes to human CGI. Human CGI just isn't there yet, but I'm not saying that they should stop using it, practice makes perfect. If they don't continue to do it, they'll never master it.

Oh, and even from the blurry Comic-Con footage, I thought Venom looked damn good for unfinished CGI.;)same here.