Anybody have the most recent pics of Topher Grace?

[Visionary]

I don't mind Topher playing Eddie Brock, but he would be a much better Max Dillon/ELECTRO.:cool:

[BT18]

People need to drop this notion of a Venom spinoff. Really, really, bad idea.

The only way it could ever work is focusing on his part in a "Maximum Carnage" storyline. Where stuff with Spidey, who's teamed up with him, happens off screen.

But that just has too much potential for being seen as a cheapening of the Spidey franchise for Sony to do it.

[Retroman]

More pics of Topher http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/5420677.html?#cutid1

[IceVenom]

People need to drop this notion of a Venom spinoff. Really, really, bad idea.

The only way it could ever work is focusing on his part in a "Maximum Carnage" storyline. Where stuff with Spidey, who's teamed up with him, happens off screen.

But that just has too much potential for being seen as a cheapening of the Spidey franchise for Sony to do it.

Originally marvel was working on a venom movie around the same time they wanted to make a spider-man movie so i do believe a spin off movie is possible. It certainly is not impossible

[liesse00]

This is from the '06 March edition of Vanity Fair

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4176/06marchvanityfair9ml.jpg

[Cmill216]

This is from the '06 March edition of Vanity Fair

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4176/06marchvanityfair9ml.jpg


Go Eddie! :)

[Pagrebo]

Topher's about to make like a gopher... he's going down!!!

[General_Grievous]

Topher's about to make like a gopher... he's going down!!!

Favourite comment of the day.

[Pagrebo]

Favourite comment of the day.

I strive to bring just a little happiness into every day. I guess it's time for me to clock out now.

[James"007"Bond]

This is from the '06 March edition of Vanity Fair

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4176/06marchvanityfair9ml.jpg

well at least we know he can nail the menacing look.

[Sean Adisano]

well at least we know he can nail the menacing look.

menacing indeed :up:

but it's because of the beard. he can probably still look menacing without, but the beard just adds to it so much more. man i wish brock had a beard.

[General_Grievous]

I must agree, he has nailed the grim stary quality that Eddie Brock would require.

If only someone could edit that pic and get rid of the beard...

[James"007"Bond]

Personally, I dont think it matters if Brock has a berad or not. He probably wont but It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if he did.

[General_Grievous]

Is there any reason he has grown a beard recently - is it for another project, or just his own personal preference?

Perhaps Brock could have a beard, at least a bit of stubble, as the film progresses to show the classic "man going through breakdown" deal.

[Cinemaman]

I think he is a good choice for Eddie Brock.
Soon we will see him with big muscles.

[TheCardPlayer]

Wow...he does look pretty cool in that pic.....I don't know if he can be Eddie Brock but I'll reserve my judgement until I see him in action.

[craigaat]

I'm actually looking forward to seeing his portrayal of Brock.

["Iron Man"]

So am I.

[GNR]

I really hope he is Brock.

[Sean Adisano]

I really hope he is Brock.

me too :up:

[James"007"Bond]

I'm loving this sudden turn around of optimism for Grace as Brock.

[Cmill216]

I'm loving this sudden turn around of optimism for Grace as Brock.

Remember when "Bryce Got Hot"?

People do change opinions you know.

[Sean Adisano]

I'm loving this sudden turn around of optimism for Grace as Brock.

hey now, i was never againts topher as brock. i may have commented about his size, but thats wasn't a big deal for me, and isn't anymore to me. i was always for topher as brock :up:

[Brodie The Wise]

Why the hell can't eddie brock have a beard? Is he incapable of growing facial hair?

[Cmill216]

Why the hell can't eddie brock have a beard? Is he incapable of growing facial hair?

IMO, he can! I think that picture of Topher above really convinces me that he can pull off this role.

[General_Grievous]

I'll admit he looks great in that ONE picture, but I generally reserve judgment until more is revealed down the line. However I am intrigued to see his portrayal in this film, whether it be Eddie Brock or any other character.

[Spider-Bite]

I have always been glad that Topher is Brock. I think he will do great. Yeah it would be better if he wasn't skinnier than a flag pole, but it isn't that big of a deal. He can make up for it in acting ability!

[lordofthenerds]

I have always been glad that Topher is Brock. I think he will do great. Yeah it would be better if he wasn't skinnier than a flag pole, but it isn't that big of a deal. He can make up for it in acting ability!
I agree, but I don't think that he is skinnier than a flagpole. Look at that pic of him on page 4 and you'll see that his shoulders got broader and he has a bit of a belly.

[General_Grievous]

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8734/566163862yi.jpg

Voila

[Sean Adisano]

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8734/566163862yi.jpg

Voila

WOW! MAGIC! :eek:

[Alexia Dark]

He still looks like a goofy 20-something actor.

[liesse00]

Just found out the picture I posted was taken November 16 2005.

[TheCardPlayer]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/12/arts/television/12hoch.html

Platinum haired villain?

[General_Grievous]

He still looks like a goofy 20-something actor.

Looks can be deceiving. Like you, I'm sure, we are all simply waiting for Sony to make the all-important announcement.

On a lighter note, how come there has been a recent resurgance of Conan O'Brien related goodness on these forums? Theres some guy calling himself that name, liesse00 has a Conan avatar, I have one from ages ago...people must just love the man with the hair.

[Maxime]

Taken on Monday March 20th 2006

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[GoldGoblin]

A hat to hide his hair,and a jacket to hide is physique.

[ironmaidenrules]

he should flex for the camera before these venom boys explode

[Spencer9]

he looks small again in that picture

[E.Brock]

still not brock and probably never will be

[E.Brock]

screw it just let him hit the juice

[David33]

Well,SM3 enters its third month of shooting,and still no official word about who is Topher Grace playing...Im pissed off !!!.Can you imagine if finally Grace is NOT playing Brook???..Im tired of all this waiting..

[War Lord]

he looks small again in that picture

Looks can be deceiving. You don't necessarily need a lot of muscle to look larger if you're well cut.

[War Lord]

still not brock and probably never will be

Perhaps only by your fanboy standards.

[War Lord]

Well,SM3 enters its third month of shooting,and still no official word about who is Topher Grace playing...Im pissed off !!!.Can you imagine if finally Grace is NOT playing Brook???..Im tired of all this waiting..

With all the officially released clues, do you really need an official word?

[The Joker]

Perhaps only by your fanboy standards.

Or perhaps not.

Perhaps he actually has good taste,and wants Brock to look like he does in the comics.Like Octavius and Osborn did.You know because that's how we like our characters.That's how we got to like them.

Maybe he doesn't take any old crap and smile,like some other people do.

Anyway.....*Looks at new Topher pic* Yep he looks like he always has.

[el brujo138]

Perhaps only by your fanboy standards.

That´s a pretty arrogant way to speak to someone who wants a character portrayed on the big screen by someone that actually looks like said character. Why don´t you back up what you´re saying with something other than cocky remarks. You know tell us why you think Topher will do a good job as Eddie Brock based on previous roles he has had´.

But I guess you can´t do that because you have nothing to back up why you think Topher is right for the part, only blind faith in Raimi.

[Scott Free]

But the Venom in the comics was pretty stupid. I think a skinnier, normal sized Brock would go a long way in making Venom more of the "evil" Spider-Man that I would like to see. Just cause it was in the comics doesn't mean it's great.

[Iron Fist.]

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8734/566163862yi.jpg

Voila


:eek:Oh My GAWD HE'S GOTTEN HUGE!!!! Is he on steroids!?!?
LMAO :venom:

[Shin-Natsume]

what if he resembles ultimate brock?
or a new version of venoma at all? look at norman osborn in the movie and compare him to the comics... the only thing they share is a weird look...
besides, cgi can make venom as huge as anyone wants. its not the host. kassidy was a little untrained piece of nothing before the symbiote, but after it he was pretty bulked up. not huge but fine...

[justinisloco]

Now HERES a good Eddie Brock

http://www.joshlucasunderground.com/images/poseidon_photos/poseidonlucas1.jpg

[Iron Fist.]

a red x is not quite the Eddie Brock I had in mind.... lol

[TheCardPlayer]

Damn....I am starting to hope he's not Brock although I know he is....Let me live in denial....

That guy ain't no Brock!

[justinisloco]

Sorry... see if this works..

Heres a good Eddie Brock

http://www.joshlucasunderground.com/images/poseidon_photos/poseidonlucas1.jpg

http://www.joshlucasunderground.com/images/poseidon_photos/poseidonlucas1.jpg

[Spider-Bite]

Hey guess what. I am not authorized to view that page.

[Alexia Dark]

Its just a link to the pic.

[Visionary]

Damn....I am starting to hope he's not Brock although I know he is....Let me live in denial....

That guy ain't no Brock!
Yeah, he is.

Denial, denied.:O

[War Lord]

That´s a pretty arrogant way to speak to someone who wants a character portrayed on the big screen by someone that actually looks like said character. Why don´t you back up what you´re saying with something other than cocky remarks. You know tell us why you think Topher will do a good job as Eddie Brock based on previous roles he has had´.

But I guess you can´t do that because you have nothing to back up why you think Topher is right for the part, only blind faith in Raimi.

I do have faith in Raimi, because he has successfully chosen very appropriate actors to portray Sandman, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, GG2(or Hobgoblin, we'll have to wait and see) Doctor Connors, Aunt May, JJ Jameson, and Uncle Ben. I think with that very reasonable record, we can give Raimi some room to breathe and give him a chance to reinterpret the character in a way that works for the movie, because not everything that works in the comic will work in the movie.

One can't really criticize knowledgeably about Topher, because none of us saw his audition for the part. Since Raimi has seen Topher's audition and liked it, I'm willing to give it a chance. Odds are he's going for the ultimate reinterpretation, which is fine with me, because I'm not a fanboy.

[Orko Is King]

http://www.matthewperry.nl/blog/wp-content/WorkingOut.jpg

That's the closest I've gotten to an actual pic of Perry post-working out.

Here's pre-(massive) working out Ryan...

http://www.ryanreynoldsonline.com/images/gallery/moviecaptures/vanwilder/vanwilder19.jpg

And here's post working out Ryan Reynolds.

http://www.brianklotz.com/Images/ryanreynolds_sm.jpg

Ectomorph he ain't...

[Iron Fist.]

Well said!! ^^ :)

[Iron Fist.]

Sorry, well said WARLORD!!

[-Æ-]

lol good thing he shaved in the NL one...lol good grief

[Frenzy]

Reynolds does look in good shape in that b&w image.

Maybe Raimi won't release who Tophers gonna play coz even he aint sure he's right for the part - it has been done before. Last minute role changes for better actors.

[Cmill216]

Maybe Raimi won't release who Tophers gonna play coz even he aint sure he's right for the part - it has been done before. Last minute role changes for better actors.

Come on, Frenzy. :rolleyes:

:D

[Frenzy]

OK - maybe not :(

[Frenzy]

I'm watching SM2 as I type this - might give me some inspiration eh?

[War Lord]

Reynolds does look in good shape in that b&w image.

Maybe Raimi won't release who Tophers gonna play coz even he aint sure he's right for the part - it has been done before. Last minute role changes for better actors.

They would have mentioned changes by now if that was their intent and they wouldn't have released the photo of Spiderman in the black costume if they changed their mind.

[dark_b]

hahahahahhaha this is such a manip of reynolds.

[el brujo138]

I do have faith in Raimi, because he has successfully chosen very appropriate actors to portray Sandman, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, GG2(or Hobgoblin, we'll have to wait and see) Doctor Connors, Aunt May, JJ Jameson, and Uncle Ben. I think with that very reasonable record, we can give Raimi some room to breathe and give him a chance to reinterpret the character in a way that works for the movie, because not everything that works in the comic will work in the movie.

One can't really criticize knowledgeably about Topher, because none of us saw his audition for the part. Since Raimi has seen Topher's audition and liked it, I'm willing to give it a chance. Odds are he's going for the ultimate reinterpretation, which is fine with me, because I'm not a fanboy.

Yeah I have complete faith in the man that let Doc Ock tell Peter to win MJ with poetry, the man that responsible for the singing in the rain scene......Yes complete faith, a man that competent can not possibly screw up now can he?

And since me and others can´t say anything negative about Topher playing Venom because we haven`t seen him audition well then you cannot say anything positive about him either cause you haven´t seen his audition either, it goes both ways. If all you have is faith in Raimi then that is no stronger of an argument then me and others having a bad feeling about this.

And odds are not that he is going for the Ultimate interpretation because nothing so far in the movies have been from the Ultimate universe.

[fangrl06]

Ryan Reynolds is hot!

[black_dust]

hahahahahhaha this is such a manip of reynolds.
You`d be dead wrong there

[JokerNick]

Reynolds would have been a much better choice for Brock, he show's he can act crazy angry, like he did in the Amittyville Horror

[War Lord]

Yeah I have complete faith in the man that let Doc Ock tell Peter to win MJ with poetry, the man that responsible for the singing in the rain scene......Yes complete faith, a man that competent can not possibly screw up now can he?

And since me and others can´t say anything negative about Topher playing Venom because we haven`t seen him audition well then you cannot say anything positive about him either cause you haven´t seen his audition either, it goes both ways. If all you have is faith in Raimi then that is no stronger of an argument then me and others having a bad feeling about this.

And odds are not that he is going for the Ultimate interpretation because nothing so far in the movies have been from the Ultimate universe.

Nobody is saying that you can't criticize, but baseless criticism is nothing more than being a crank.

I've personally predicted the Venom storyline and the sympathetic take on Sandman long before anything was confirmed by Sony and I was right both times. I'm telling you, that it is likely that the storyline, imo, Raimi will have a storyline where Venom impersonates Spiderman, but commits crimes that implicates Spiderman instead.

Remember this post, because I will risk laughter if I'm wrong. However, I want to hear your jaw drop to the ground when I am proven right.

[Frenzy]

They would have mentioned changes by now if that was their intent and they wouldn't have released the photo of Spiderman in the black costume if they changed their mind.

I didn't mean changing the villain from Venom I meant changing who will play Brock:) Its a long shot anyway, but it happened, at great expense, to Eric Stoltz. He should've played Marty McFly in Back To The Future yet they changed him last minute for Micahel J Fox. It cost them a ton of money too as he'd filmed quite a few of the scenes.

[JokerNick]

^nope, your wrong, dead wrong, we all know Topher is playing Aunt Mays new boyfriend

[Frenzy]

LOL - He should be too :)

[fangrl06]

^nope, your wrong, dead wrong, we all know Topher is playing Aunt Mays new boyfriend
that's hot.

[Sentinel X]

Okay, people are making the a HUGE deal.Its really easy to solve...Eddie Brock is 6'3 and 260 pounds....Now all that is needed is Topher's weight and height...anyone know?

[JokerNick]

that pic of topher from vanity fair, those are Aunt Mays legs...................... and that ain't a beard either............. time to puke

[el brujo138]

Nobody is saying that you can't criticize, but baseless criticism is nothing more than being a crank.

I've personally predicted the Venom storyline and the sympathetic take on Sandman long before anything was confirmed by Sony and I was right both times. I'm telling you, that it is likely that the storyline, imo, Raimi will have a storyline where Venom impersonates Spiderman, but commits crimes that implicates Spiderman instead.

Remember this post, because I will risk laughter if I'm wrong. However, I want to hear your jaw drop to the ground when I am proven right.

Baseless criticism? How is it baseless when Topher is clearly to small to play Eddie Brock, that is not baseless it´s right there. Look at pictures of Eddie and then look at pictures of Topher, they look nothing a like. But you know if wanting the actors to actually resamble the characters is being cranky then what does that make people who swallow everything the studios throw at them? Yeah, that character is nothing like the one in the source material but my God I have faith in the filmmakers.

Asking Raimi to respect the source material is not being "cranky" its about wanting the material we like being treated the way it should be treated - it´s about having standards and not wanting a subpar product when a superior product can be achieved.

[Retroman]

Taken on Monday March 20th 2006

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/57145033.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE91233D6167B6F96B
http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/57145037.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CEBD9BC0BE01203A47
Thanks for the new pics.:up: It's hard to tell what kind of physique he's hiding underneath those clothes.

[fangrl06]

that pic of topher from vanity fair, those are Aunt Mays legs...................... and that ain't a beard either............. time to puke
OMG....:rolleyes:

[TrueBeliever]

I know, I know, this is going to sound like a weak attempt at something or anything. But Topher has gained weight. Is he 260lbs? Of course not. But looking at his neck and how full his face looks, I'd say... he's definately not 160 anymore...

[JokerNick]

Topher has a small build naturally, there really is not much you can do short of taking steriods, to make him big........ he's gonna probably look like topher, just toned, he's not going to look like Franky G, so get off it....

[Sentinel X]

Since when was 160 pounds a small build? :confused:...Its just average

[JokerNick]

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=topher+grace/v=2/SID=w/l=IVS/;_ylt=A9G_Rq7_0CFEYuEATiijzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNW N0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=154flp12m/EXP=1143153279/*-http%3A//us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/fox_home_entertainment/that_70_s_show___season_two/topher_grace/70show.jpg

your telling me this isn't a small build, dudes no bigger then a pube

[el brujo138]

Since when was 160 pounds a small build? :confused:...Its just average

Small compared to Eddie Brock.

[JokerNick]

how tall is topher grace?

[TheCardPlayer]

how tall is topher grace?5,10.

[War Lord]

how tall is topher grace?

He's about 5'10.

[Sentinel X]

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=topher+grace/v=2/SID=w/l=IVS/;_ylt=A9G_Rq7_0CFEYuEATiijzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNW N0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=154flp12m/EXP=1143153279/*-http%3A//us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/fox_home_entertainment/that_70_s_show___season_two/topher_grace/70show.jpg

your telling me this isn't a small build, dudes no bigger then a pubeI dont even think thats a build...but it is a lot of letters and numbers

[black_dust]

Topher Grace has recently talked to The Sunday Herald Sun about playing a role in the anticipated Spider-Man 3, according to Moviehole.

Sam Raimi’s movie, starring Kirsten Dunst and Tobey Maguire, will be released in 2007.

The 27-year-old "Traffic" star has been preparing for his new role, and was forced to lift weights.

"I'm in New York seeing friends and I have to go off and lift weights
for two hours. I'm not exactly in great shape. Your body hurts every day, but that pain is good, I suppose", Grace said.

The actor added that his commitments to "Spider-Man 3" will take up about twelve months.


Least he is doing somthing

[War Lord]

Least he is doing somthing

And a year of weight training allows for a good deal of size to be gained.

[fangrl06]

I wounder if Topher ever came on here and saw all of these people calling him skinny, and small and all that...

[War Lord]

I wounder if Topher ever came on here and saw all of these people calling him skinny, and small and all that...

He'd hire Chuck Norris to set us all straight.

[black_dust]

And a year of weight training allows for a good deal of size to be gained.


Indeed but... he doesn`t have a year the size he is now is going to be the size of the movie i would guess for continuity reasons, he would be buff in one part and not so in another because the film is shot out of order.

I have the upmost faith in him being ready for the film, look how much christian Bale went from the machinist to Batman in 6-8 months!

[Sentinel X]

I wounder if Topher ever came on here and saw all of these people calling him skinny, and small and all that...Hes not skinny or small...People are over-exaggerating about his size.Sure hes not a bodybuilder but hes not like freakin tiny either

Check this out...
http://www.halls.md/body-mass-index/av.htm
....hes in normal range :up: ....average build = normal range :)

[el brujo138]

Indeed but... he doesn`t have a year the size he is now is going to be the size of the movie i would guess for continuity reasons, he would be buff in one part and not so in another because the film is shot out of order.

I have the upmost faith in him being ready for the film, look how much christian Bale went from the machinist to Batman in 6-8 months!

The thing about that is that Bale first dropped weight to play the part in the Machinist and then right after that started buffing up for Batman. Now if you look at Bale in his earlier parts he is not a small guy, he has the frame to plat Batman. Besides the example is not very good because Batman - yes he is a big guy - is not the same size as Eddie Brock. One of the important parts about Eddie is that he is obsessed with weightlifting. There is no way around this, Eddie is a big man both in frame and by muscles added by weightlifting.

[black_dust]

The thing about that is that Bale first dropped weight to play the part in the Machinist and then right after that started buffing up for Batman. Now if you look at Bale in his earlier parts he is not a small guy, he has the frame to plat Batman. Besides the example is not very good because Batman - yes he is a big guy - is not the same size as Eddie Brock. One of the important parts about Eddie is that he is obsessed with weightlifting. There is no way around this, Eddie is a big man both in frame and by muscles added by weightlifting.
Im looking at it from a trainning point of view on the actors side. Also Eddie in Ulitimate spiderman wasn`t huge. :)

[The Joker]

Also Eddie in Ulitimate spiderman wasn`t huge. :)

These movies are not based on the Ultimate comics.If they were,we'd have a 15 year old Peter,a monster GG etc.

The fact is that Topher Grace is not physically suitable for Eddie Brock.Plain and simple.People can look the other way to that fact all they want.But some people should not act so outraged or so surprised at those who don't ignore the fact that this is how Eddie Brock has been portrayed for nearly 30 years,and don't like that Grace has been hired to play a character who is supposed to be a towering mass of intimidation.

If Raimi is making Venom some kind of evil Peter twin,then that's that.But alot of people find that a truly sucktacular move,like making Sandman Uncle Ben's real killer.Again if all this true.

[el brujo138]

Im looking at it from a trainning point of view on the actors side. Also Eddie in Ulitimate spiderman wasn`t huge. :)

Nothing in the moivies so far has been from the Ultimate universe ( I just said that a couple of posts back).

Besides did you even read my post, Bale has a bigger frame he can bulk up to being a big guy again, Topher on the other hand is a small guy for him to become big it takes a whole lot of more work. I´m repeating my last post here but you didn´t seem to read it despite replaying to it so I´ll do this one more time. Batman is a big guy but an important part about Eddie is that he became obsessed with weightlifting and because of that he is a huge muscular man. Topher is a small man compared to that, shooting has started and none of the pictures show anything other than Topher being a fit guy in his twenties which does not resemble Eddie in anyway what so ever.

[black_dust]

Nothing in the moivies so far has been from the Ultimate universe ( I just said that a couple of posts back).

Besides did you even read my post, Bale has a bigger frame he can bulk up to being a big guy again, Topher on the other hand is a small guy for him to become big it takes a whole lot of more work. I´m repeating my last post here but you didn´t seem to read it despite replaying to it so I´ll do this one more time. Batman is a big guy but an important part about Eddie is that he became obsessed with weightlifting and because of that he is a huge muscular man. Topher is a small man compared to that, shooting has started and none of the pictures show anything other than Topher being a fit guy in his twenties which does not resemble Eddie in anyway what so ever.
Bale isn`t that much "bigger" that Grace when he isn`t buffed to the max, Bale is slightly taller that all

[War Lord]

Nothing in the moivies so far has been from the Ultimate universe ( I just said that a couple of posts back).

Just because it hasn't been done as of yet, doesn't stop it from being done now.

[el brujo138]

Bale isn`t that much "bigger" that Grace when he isn`t buffed to the max, Bale is slightly taller that all

Yeah Bale in Equilibrium is such a tiny guy, he almost looks like that dude that plays Eric Forman in some sit-com show.

[el brujo138]

Just because it hasn't been done as of yet, doesn't stop it from being done now.

That´s funny because just a couple of posts back you said that you had faith in Raimi because he has done such a good job with Spider-Man. But the Spider-Man Raimi has been adapting has been based on the 616 Spider-Man universe not the Ultimate universe. So if he starts adapting the Ultimate universe that would be an unfamiliar universe something that has not been shown in the movies before. Tell me how can you have faith in something that you have never seen before? You believe that Raimi has done a good job so far working with the regular Spider-Man universe that is your argumet but if he throws something in the movie from the Ultimate universe then that is unknown territory. It is something that you can not have a positive argument about bases on a previous positive experience.

Besides it´s a lame defence, he might be basing Venom on the Ultimate universe, go on the evidence that has been provided so far. Not some vague notion that Raimi might be basing the movie about something diffrent that we have seen no clue about at all.

[Scott Free]

That´s funny because just a couple of posts back you said that you had faith in Raimi because he has done such a good job with Spider-Man. But the Spider-Man Raimi has been adapting has been based on the 616 Spider-Man universe not the Ultimate universe. So if he starts adapting the Ultimate universe that would be an unfamiliar universe something that has not been shown in the movies before. Tell me how can you have faith in something that you have never seen before? You believe that Raimi has done a good job so far working with the regular Spider-Man universe that is your argumet but if he throws something in the movie from the Ultimate universe then that is unknown territory. It is something that you can not have a positive argument about bases on a previous positive experience. Besides it´s a lame defence, he might be basing Venom on the Ultimate universe, go on the evidence that has been provided so far. Not some vague notion that Raimi might be basing the movie about something diffrent that we have seen no clue about at all. You\'re entire argument in this thread seems to be based on the assumption that in order for there to be good a Spider-Man Movie, it has to be a direct translation of the comics, and that simply isn\'t true.

[War Lord]

That´s funny because just a couple of posts back you said that you had faith in Raimi because he has done such a good job with Spider-Man. But the Spider-Man Raimi has been adapting has been based on the 616 Spider-Man universe not the Ultimate universe. So if he starts adapting the Ultimate universe that would be an unfamiliar universe something that has not been shown in the movies before. Tell me how can you have faith in something that you have never seen before? You believe that Raimi has done a good job so far working with the regular Spider-Man universe that is your argumet but if he throws something in the movie from the Ultimate universe then that is unknown territory. It is something that you can not have a positive argument about bases on a previous positive experience.

Besides it´s a lame defence, he might be basing Venom on the Ultimate universe, go on the evidence that has been provided so far. Not some vague notion that Raimi might be basing the movie about something diffrent that we have seen no clue about at all.

I'm allowing some latitude because, since he's very much experienced filmmaker, he's more aware of what translates well on film then you or I. I never expected Brock to be a giant of a man because he's not going to be on camera enough for the average movie viewer to really care and most movie goers won't be complaining if Brock is a wisp of a man but Venom is huge. The average movie goer, which is who Raimi is filming with an eye on and not the rabid fanboy, will actually be more impressed with a smaller brock but a huge Venom than a huge guy and a huge Venom.

[el brujo138]

I'm allowing some latitude because, since he's very much experienced filmmaker, he's more aware of what translates well on film then you or I. I never expected Brock to be a giant of a man because he's not going to be on camera enough for the average movie viewer to really care and most movie goers won't be complaining if Brock is a wisp of a man but Venom is huge. The average movie goer, which is who Raimi is filming with an eye on and not the rabid fanboy, will actually be more impressed with a smaller brock but a huge Venom than a huge guy and a huge Venom.

You know the average moviegoer doesn´t really intrest me, what I care about is seeing a quality movie that is respectful to it´s source material. What the average movie goer considers a qulity movie is not my concern and it should not be yours either or do you want to make the argument that the best movie of all time is Titanic because it made the most money and was really poplular?

[War Lord]

You know the average moviegoer doesn´t really intrest me, what I care about is seeing a quality movie that is respectful to it

I think that Raimi will be very respectful to the themes of the material, which is more important. It would have been much easier to find an actor who is 6'4 and buff and just copy the material word for word than one who could capture the essence of why Brock hates Peter and Brock's despondence.

[el brujo138]

You\'re entire argument in this thread seems to be based on the assumption that in order for there to be good a Spider-Man Movie, it has to be a direct translation of the comics, and that simply isn\'t true.

What is your argument? Care to back it up with anything more than "and that simply isn\'t true."

I have never said direct translation of the comics, don´t put words in my mouth - the quote button is your friend. I want respect for the characters that I am a fan of, I dont want Doc Ock giving Peter love advice or Eddie being portrayed by a small man, when he has always been a big, muscular man.

[War Lord]

What is your argument? Care to back it up with anything more than "and that simply isn\'t true."

I have never said direct translation of the comics, don´t put words in my mouth - the quote button is your friend. I want respect for the characters that I am a fan of, I dont want Doc Ock giving Peter love advice or Eddie being portrayed by a small man, when he has always been a big, muscular man.

Always implies Ultimate as well.

[el brujo138]

I think that Raimi will be very respectful to the themes of the material, which is more important. It would have been much easier to find an actor who is 6'4 and buff and just copy the material word for word than one who could capture the essence of why Brock hates Peter and Brock's despondence.

The "essence" of Brock? That is your argument? Care to back that up, by you know providing some proof about Topher being able to portray the essence of a man who is obsessed with bodybuilding? That is a big part of Eddies essence.

This is pointless, you refuse to reply to any of the points that I make. The basis of your entire argument is that you have faith in Raimi, that you somehow know that Raimi will do a good job with Venom.

[Spider-Who?]

The "essence" of Brock? That is your argument? Care to back that up, by you know providing some proof about Topher being able to portray the essence of a man who is obsessed with bodybuilding? That is a big part of Eddies essence.

This is pointless, you refuse to reply to any of the points that I make. The basis of your entire argument is that you have faith in Raimi, that you somehow know that Raimi will do a good job with Venom.
i dont see how body building is a "big part of Eddies essence". a persons muscle mass has nothing on their personality/character. If you wanna talk about Eddie's image from the comics to screen, sure, i can see your point; but dealing purely in personality/character and what drives him, being a body builder isnt much.

[War Lord]

The "essence" of Brock? That is your argument? Care to back that up, by you know providing some proof about Topher being able to portray the essence of a man who is obsessed with bodybuilding? That is a big part of Eddies essence.

This is pointless, you refuse to reply to any of the points that I make. The basis of your entire argument is that you have faith in Raimi, that you somehow know that Raimi will do a good job with Venom.

You can still be a bodybuilder without being 260 lbs.

The Essence of Eddie Brock, as I understand him, is that he wanted to be a top reporter, but because of Peter, he was fired from the Daily Globe and Brock hated Peter for it. The symbiote absorbed Eddie and learned his hate as well and he acts on that hate.

That is Venom.

[el brujo138]

i dont see how body building is a "big part of Eddies essence". a persons muscle mass has nothing on their personality/character. If you wanna talk about Eddie's image from the comics to screen, sure, i can see your point; but dealing purely in personality/character and what drives him, being a body builder isnt much.

How about the fact that Eddie became obsessed with rebulding his body in to that of a big muscular hulk of a man because he felt inferior because he was small. It`s not that Eddie is a big man, it´s that a big part of Eddies personality is about proving himself and by trying to prove himself he decides to remodel his body in to that of a big, strong, muscular man.

But that means nothing because by God Topher is going to do a great job as Eddie I HAVE FAITH IN RAIMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[el brujo138]

You can still be a bodybuilder without being 260 lbs.

The Essence of Eddie Brock, as I understand him, is that he wanted to be a top reporter, but because of Peter, he was fired from the Daily Globe and Brock hated Peter for it. The symbiote absorbed Eddie and learned his hate as well and he acts on that hate.

That is Venom.

Go read some backstory on Eddie, the part where he tries to prove to his father that he is the son that he always wanted. He does this this in many ways but an important part of Eddie is always trying to prove himself as a man. Shaping his body in to that of a muscular, perfect, strong man is an important part of Eddies story.

[Scott Free]

What is your argument? Care to back it up with anything more than \"and that simply isn\\\'t true.\" I have never said direct translation of the comics, don´t put words in my mouth - the quote button is your friend. I want respect for the characters that I am a fan of, I dont want Doc Ock giving Peter love advice or Eddie being portrayed by a small man, when he has always been a big, muscular man. When I say that something isn\'t bad, that usually meant that I think it\'s good, which is how I feel about the first two movies. Thus: My argument. It seems to be the gist of your spiel, sorry if I misenterpreted. These movies cannot be 2 hour comics brought to life, they just can\'t. When we only get a handful of films, I\'d like to see some characterization better than \"I\'m a crazy scientist who hates Spider-man, arrgh!\" So what if he\'s small? That has nothing to do with his character.

[War Lord]

Go read some backstory on Eddie, the part where he tries to prove to his father that he is the son that he always wanted. He does this this in many ways but an important part of Eddie is always trying to prove himself as a man. Shaping his body in to that of a muscular, perfect, strong man is an important part of Eddies story.

It would be more effectively done, moviewise, for a wisp of a man seeking approval of his father than somebody who is, in essence, the Hulk.

Seeing Topher gain 30 lbs and be cut up will be very effective, I guarentee it.

[el brujo138]

When I say that something isn\'t bad, that usually meant that I think it\'s good, which is how I feel about the first two movies. Thus: My argument. It seems to be the gist of your spiel, sorry if I misenterpreted. These movies cannot be 2 hour comics brought to life, they just can\'t. When we only get a handful of films, I\'d like to see some characterization better than \"I\'m a crazy scientist who hates Spider-man, arrgh!\" So what if he\'s small? That has nothing to do with his character.

*Sigh*
Read my posts, the fact that he is big is an imporatant part of Eddies character. And once again I have NEVER asked these movies to be 2 hours of comics brought to life, where did I say that?

And I´m a crazy scientist who hates Spider-Man has what do with Venom?

[el brujo138]

It would be more effectively done, moviewise, for a wisp of a man seeking approval of his father than somebody who is, in essence, the Hulk.

Seeing Topher gain 30 lbs and be cut up will be very effective, I guarentee it.

How do you know it would be more "effectively done", you haven´t seen it have you? Going on faith again are we?

Well I´m going on comics that told a good story, the proof is already there, it´s tried and tested. And if it has already told a good story what is to say it can´t tell a good story again?

[Cmill216]

*Sigh*
Read my posts, the fact that he is big is an imporatant part of Eddies character. And once again I have NEVER asked these movies to be 2 hours of comics brought to life, where did I say that?

And I´m a crazy scientist who hates Spider-Man has what do with Venom?

The fact is folks (and I'm addressing this to the people arguing against you el brujo), weight lifting is a big part of Eddie's character. Not only for the reasons that el has mentioned, but also as a means of stress relief. Now what they could do in this film is have Eddie in the beginning stages of that "weight lifting career" (if you will) and we see shots of a more cut Topher Grace (compared to what he usually looks like) lifting weights. He'll never be as big as Eddie was, but they could still play off that element. It's the best they can do with what they chose, which still makes me scratch my head.

[War Lord]

How do you know it would be more "effectively done", you haven´t seen it have you? Going on faith again are we?

Well I´m going on comics that told a good story, the proof is already there, it´s tried and tested. And if it has already told a good story what is to say it can´t tell a good story again?

It may have worked well in the comics, but a comic story doesn't always translate to a good film story.

[Scott Free]

*Sigh* Read my posts, the fact that he is big is an imporatant part of Eddies character. And once again I have NEVER asked these movies to be 2 hours of comics brought to life, where did I say that? And I´m a crazy scientist who hates Spider-Man has what do with Venom? I do not think his bodybulding is a big a part of him as you seem to. I have been reading Spider-man since I was 15 and never heard of all that business you just spouted. When you keep arguing for things to be just like they are in the comics, people might continue to get the impression that you want things to be just like the are in the comics. It has to do with Ock, and how that would make a sucky villain.

[el brujo138]

I do no\'t think his bodybulding is a big a part of him as you seem to.I have been reading Spider-man since I was 15 and never heard of all that business you just spouted. When you keep arguing for things to be just like they are in the comics, people might continue to get the impression that you want things to be just like the are in the comics. It has to do with Ock, and how that would make a sucky villain.

Saying that you have read Spider-Man stories since you were 15 doesn´t really mean much to me since I don´t know how old you are, you could have been 15 in 1999 for example. The stuff with Eddies background and how he became the man that he is was published during the early 90`s. Go check out the original stuff with Eddie it´s in the comics.

[el brujo138]

It may have worked well in the comics, but a comic story doesn't always translate to a good film story.

Really, Sin City was quite a good movie.

Tell me what about Eddie wouldn´t work on the big screen? Why is is so wrong to have him portrayed as a big man? Why wouldn´t that work?

[War Lord]

I do not think his bodybulding is a big a part of him as you seem to. I have been reading Spider-man since I was 15 and never heard of all that business you just spouted. When you keep arguing for things to be just like they are in the comics, people might continue to get the impression that you want things to be just like the are in the comics. It has to do with Ock, and how that would make a sucky villain.

I disagree with you here. Weight-training is a big part of Eddie Brock, but I think that part of the story can still be told effectively without Brock having to be 6'4 and 260 lbs.

Also, a 5'10 and absolutely ripped Brock who laments that he can't measure up to his father more effectively than a much bigger Brock because too many of these kinds of people automatically equate size with manhood and having a guy who is so large lamenting about not measuring up doesn't cut it, imo.

[Scott Free]

Saying that you have read Spider-Man stories since you were 15 doesn´t really mean much to me since I don´t know how old you are, you could have been 15 in 1999 for example. The stuff with Eddies background and how he became the man that he is was published during the early 90`s. Go check out the original stuff with Eddie it´s in the comics. Ew, I don\'t want to, Venom\'s horrid.

[el brujo138]

The fact is folks (and I'm addressing this to the people arguing against you el brujo), weight lifting is a big part of Eddie's character. Not only for the reasons that el has mentioned, but also as a means of stress relief. Now what they could do in this film is have Eddie in the beginning stages of that "weight lifting career" (if you will) and we see shots of a more cut Topher Grace (compared to what he usually looks like) lifting weights. He'll never be as big as Eddie was, but they could still play off that element. It's the best they can do with what they chose, which still makes me scratch my head.

Thank you , I don´t agree with you about everything in your post but at least you backed up your post with evidence. Weightlifting is a big part of who Eddie is.

[el brujo138]

Ew, I don\'t want to, Venom\'s horrid.

Then stop posting in a thread about Venom.

[War Lord]

Really, Sin City was quite a good movie.

Tell me what about Eddie wouldn´t work on the big screen? Why is is so wrong to have him portrayed as a big man? Why wouldn´t that work?

I said it doesn't always, not never. This is why Wolverine in X-men wore a black costume instead of yellow spandex, because yellow looks like puke on film, which is why you rarely see that colour other than an accent.

In my previous post, I explained why a smaller Brock could more effectively portray a man who thinks he can't measure up more effectively than a larger man.

[el brujo138]

I disagree with you here. Weight-training is a big part of Eddie Brock, but I think that part of the story can still be told effectively without Brock having to be 6'4 and 260 lbs.

Also, a 5'10 and absolutely ripped Brock who laments that he can't measure up to his father more effectively than a much bigger Brock because too many of these kinds of people automatically equate size with manhood and having a guy who is so large lamenting about not measuring up doesn't cut it, imo.

The imporant thing here is that Eddie is the one who automatically equates size with manhood, it´s a part of who he is. He wants to be the big man, he wants to be the hero, he wants to get respect.

[Scott Free]

I disagree with you here. Weight-training is a big part of Eddie Brock, but I think that part of the story can still be told effectively without Brock having to be 6\'4 and 260 lbs. Also, a 5\'10 and absolutely ripped Brock who laments that he can\'t measure up to his father more effectively than a much bigger Brock because too many of these kinds of people automatically equate size with manhood and having a guy who is so large lamenting about not measuring up doesn\'t cut it, imo. Well, I do not know venom as well as some people, but yes, my inference so far was that does not have to be a body builder. At least not yet, as things probably aren\'t that stressfull for him right now, what with the lack of Spider-Man hate.

[el brujo138]

I said it doesn't always, not never. This is why Wolverine in X-men wore a black costume instead of yellow spandex, because yellow looks like puke on film, which is why you rarely see that colour other than an accent.

In my previous post, I explained why a smaller Brock could more effectively portray a man who thinks he can't measure up more effectively than a larger man.

Yes you explained it, it wasn´t better than Eddies original story so I don´t see the point in replacing it with something new,

[War Lord]

The imporant thing here is that Eddie is the one who automatically equates size with manhood, it´s a part of who he is. He wants to be the big man, he wants to be the hero, he wants to get respect.

and if he was 6'4, he'd naturally think he's achieved his objective. Whereas, if he was only 5'10, he could more effectively lament his situation.

[Scott Free]

Then stop posting in a thread about Venom. Why? He\'s probably going to be in the movie, whether I like him or not.

[Cmill216]

Look, it is pretty obvious what is going on here (and if you can't see this than you are blind): Sam Raimi has gone with an Eddie Brock (if Topher is Eddie) that is the foil of Peter Parker; everything Peter does right, Brock does wrong, yatta yatta. Not only character-wise will he be a foil, but look-wise as well. And while that isn't like the comics (as far as physical appearance) it's not completely WRONG either. It does make some sense.

Now I'm not 100% behind the move. I have to see the film. I mean, I understand Raimi's direction of the Eddie Brock character if what I said is true, but I personally would have gone with a more comic-like Brock (actor Matt Dillon) if I was doing the film, but I'm not. (SIGH)

[Scott Free]

and if he was 6\'4, he\'d naturally think he\'s achieved his objective. Whereas, if he was only 5\'10, he could more effectively lament his situation. See, this here looks like a villain I could be interested in.

[War Lord]

Yes you explained it, it wasn´t better than Eddies original story so I don´t see the point in replacing it with something new,

You have to think in terms of film-making. If the movie-goer, saw a 6'4, large man lament how he's not man enough because he's not large enough, they are going to think he's loony, not sympathize with him.

However, if they see someone who went from being 98 pound weakling to a pretty good build, but isn't as large as his 6'4 father, it's more effective and more sympathetic.

[Scott Free]

Look, it is pretty obvious what is going on here (and if you can\'t see this than you are blind): Sam Raimi has gone with an Eddie Brock (if Topher is Eddie) that is the foil of Peter Parker; everything Peter does right, Brock does wrong, yatta yatta. Not only character-wise will he be a foil, but look-wise as well. And while that isn\'t like the comics (as far as physical appearance) it\'s not completely WRONG either. It does make some sense. Exactly, and this seems a lot more interesting then comic Brock.

[el brujo138]

Why? He\'s probably going to be in the movie, whether I like him or not.

Then you should not make stupid arguments about how weightlifting is not a part of the Venom character, seeing as the person I am arguing against in this thread admited that as fact and an important part of Eddies character.

[Cmill216]

Exactly, and this seems a lot more interesting then comic Brock.

....Um....I wouldn't say it's more interesting. It's just a different take.

[Scott Free]

Then you should not make stupid arguments about how weightlifting is not a part of the Venom character, seeing as the person I am arguing against in this thread admited that as fact and an important part of Eddies character. That wasn\'t so much a \"weightlifting is not a part of the Venom character \"argument as it was a \"I don\'t know much about Venom\" argument.

[Scott Free]

....Um....I wouldn\'t say it\'s more interesting. It\'s just a different take. Well, I would.

[el brujo138]

You have to think in terms of film-making. If the movie-goer, saw a 6'4, large man lament how he's not man enough because he's not large enough, they are going to think he's loony, not sympathize with him.

However, if they see someone who went from being 98 pound weakling to a pretty good build, but isn't as large as his 6'4 father, it's more effective and more sympathetic.

Once again I am not that intrested in the average movie goer and how she/he feels about this movie, this movie will make a profit anyway the Spider-Man name guarantees that.

I want a good story told with the characters I know and like, it really isn´t that hard. And no offense but the way you say you want to see it doesn´t really intrest me. Once again Sin City was a carbon copy of the comic and that was a good movie no reason why Spider-Man couldn´t work the same way.

[Scott Free]

Once again I am not that intrested in the average movie goer and how she/he feels about this movie, this movie will make a profit anyway the Spider-Man name guarantees that.

I want a good story told with the characters I know and like, it really isn´t that hard. And no offense but the way you say you want to see it doesn´t really intrest me. Once again Sin City was a carbon copy of the comic and that was a good movie no reason why Spider-Man couldn´t work the same way. Noone\'s saying you have to agree with Joe Shoebox\'s expectations of the movie. You don\'t even have to understand it. But you really dont\' have much of a choice but to tolerate it.

[War Lord]

Once again I am not that intrested in the average movie goer and how she/he feels about this movie, this movie will make a profit anyway the Spider-Man name guarantees that.

I want a good story told with the characters I know and like, it reallt isn´t thar hard. And no offense but the way you say you want to see it doesn´t really intrest me. Once again Sin City was a carbon copy of the comic and that was a good movie no reason why Spider-Man couldn´t work the same way.

You're only proving that you're not really interested in a good movie as long as it's a carbon copy of the comics. I'm not saying that to put you down or anything, but if you're more interested in a carbon copy movie, than the quality of the movie storyline has to matter less to you.

I'm more interesting in the storyline, even if it's at the expense of certain parts of the comic. IMO, a 6'4 large, impossibly muscular man crying over not being the man he'd like to be is less plausible than a 5'10, average, but quite fit, man crying over the same thing.

[el brujo138]

That wasn\'t so much a \"weightlifting is not a part of the Venom character \"argument as it was a \"I don\'t know much about Venom\" argument.

That is not what you said, you said that that you had been reading Spider-Man since you were 15 and that you had never heard about this, Making yourself out to be knowledgeble in the Spider-Man universe when in reality you did not even know a basic fact about the Spider-Man universe.

[TheVileOne]

Did you people cry this much over Hugh Jackman being a foot taller than Wolverine's documented height in the comics?

Sin City is not a comic with over 40 years of history and thousands of separate comic issues.

The reason they could copy the comics into the movie so easily is because they had that luxury.

Also, Sin City was only written, drawn, and interpreted in comic form by one guy, Frank Miller. There haven't been countless creative teams on Sin City like Spider-man.

[Scott Free]

That is not what you said, you said that that you had been reading Spider-Man since you were 15 and that you had never heard about this, Making yourself out to be knowledgeble in the Spider-Man universe when in reality you did not even know a basic fact about the Spider-Man universe. First of all, I dont\' know how basic a fact that is. Second, I\'ve been reading Spider-Man, Not Venom. Third, what does this have to do with me arguing against weightlifting? It seems like it\'s confirming my lack of knowledge of Venom rather than any active desire to remove the bodybuilding form his character.

[War Lord]

Did you people cry this much over Hugh Jackman being a foot taller than Wolverine's documented height in the comics?

Yes and that he didn't wear yellow spandex.

[Scott Free]

Did you people cry this much over Hugh Jackman being a foot taller than Wolverine\'s documented height in the comics? I wet my bed for weeks I was so upset:(

[el brujo138]

You're only proving that you're not really interested in a good movie as long as it's a carbon copy of the comics. I'm not saying that to put you down or anything, but if you're more interested in a carbon copy movie, than the quality of the storyline has to matter less to you.

I'm more interesting in the storyline, even if it's at the expense of certain parts of the comic. IMO, a 6'4 large, impossibly muscular man crying over not being the man he'd like to be is less plausible than a 5'10, average, but quite fit, man crying over the same thing.


Why would the quality of the movie suffer if it copied from the comic book? You said a copy of the movie would be less qualitywise, I provided proof that a movie does not have to suffer from copying the comic (Sin City). Once again, provide some sort of proof to back up your argument.

The rest of your argument rests on that you would prefer another take on Eddie Brock. The thing about that is that I don´t care about your take on Eddie and I would prefer to see the comic take on Eddie. A version that has already proved to be a succesful one.

[TheVileOne]

Hartigan didn't look as big, old, or grungy in the Sin City movie as he did in the comics. Hartigan in the comics looked like a much older man than Bruce Willis, like a guy in his late 50's early 60's. In the movie, Hartigan looked considerably younger.

Jessica Alba? Didn't really look like Nancy of the comics at all, and didn't strip naked.

So there you go, your precious Sin City was NOT a carbon copy.

[Scott Free]

Why would the quality of the movie suffer if it copied from the comic book? You said a copy of the movie would be less qualitywise, I provided proof that a movie does not have to suffer from copying the comic (Sin City). Once again, provide some sort of proof to back up your argument.

The rest of your argument rests on that you would prefer another take on Eddie Brock. The thing about that is that I don´t care about your take on Eddie and I would prefer to see the comic take on Eddie. A version that has already proved to be a succesful one. If you don\'t care about anyone else\'s takes, then why are you bothering arguing?

[Cmill216]

You can't argue "the adaptation theory" when comparing Sin City and SM, not only because of the length factor, but also because of the fact that that was the intention of Sin City: to be a near panel for panel with the novels. No comic film has gotten it completely right (in terms of adaptation). Even many people's precious Batman Begins had some oddities in terms of its adaptation: Rachel Dawes being a made up character instead of drawing from the many loves of Bruce from the comics, the ethnicity and stature of Ra's (and him being involved in Batman's origin at all), and Joe Chill being caught the night of Bruce's parents' murder.

[War Lord]

Why would the quality of the movie suffer if it copied from the comic book? You said a copy of the movie would be less qualitywise, I provided proof that a movie does not have to suffer from copying the comic (Sin City). Once again, provide some sort of proof to back up your argument.

The rest of your argument rests on that you would prefer another take on Eddie Brock. The thing about that is that I don´t care about your take on Eddie and I would prefer to see the comic take on Eddie. A version that has already proved to be a succesful one.

I never said that it would be less quality wise, but that it can be. A filmmaker isn't as free to do something as a comic book writer is and that's the reality of the situation.

With movies, you have to think in terms of plausibility. For example, in the comics, wolverine has been known to have his hands in all sorts of positions when popping his claws, but if people saw Wolverine in an awkward position, they'd be wondering why he didn't pop his claws through his forearms or through his leg.

Your arguement is solely based on a literal take on the character as the only acceptable option and there's nothing wrong with that. But since it's Raimi's responsibility to maximize everything to make it a great movie, I will defer to his judgement on that.

[Scott Free]

I want to snuggle up to War Lord, for he is wise and calm. And he doesn\'t condescend.

[War Lord]

I want to snuggle up to War Lord, for he is wise and calm. And he doesn\'t condescend.

freak.

[str8raz0r]

Hartigan didn't look as big, old, or grungy in the Sin City movie as he did in the comics. Hartigan in the comics looked like a much older man than Bruce Willis, like a guy in his late 50's early 60's. In the movie, Hartigan looked considerably younger.

Jessica Alba? Didn't really look like Nancy of the comics at all, and didn't strip naked.

So there you go, your precious Sin City was NOT a carbon copy.

Carbon copy visually, no.

However, it got the story dead on, the character motivations, the themes, and the overall look was damn fine.

However, we're also dealing with a much slimmer comic in Sin City, whereas S-M has so much history it hurts.

I think the comparison is ridiculously unfair. Of course Sin City looked the part: Frank Miller was the only cat who worked on the comic and he worked closely on the movie. Where does one decide to draw for Spider-Man? Do we go with the elegant subtlety of Ditko, or the wacky contortionist of McFarlane? Bagley's freaky-yet-still-humanoid Venom or Larsen's flappy-jawed monstrosity?

Sin City has complete coninuity because it's only one man's vision. Spider-Man has had so many different variations over the years that it's simply easier to piecemeal it together.

[TrueBeliever]

Can anyone name a Spider-Man villain who wasn't a "weaker" person before he came to being with new powers, similar to Peter Parker?

[The Kid]

I was going to say tha wrestler guy but then I read the rest of the sentence.

ah, can't think of one. no.

[TheVileOne]

Carbon copy visually, no.

However, it got the story dead on, the character motivations, the themes, and the overall look was damn fine.

[QUOTE]
However, we're also dealing with a much slimmer comic in Sin City, whereas S-M has so much history it hurts.


This is what I've been saying. Sin City is not a comic series that's run for 43 years with about 5 separate titles each month. And Every Sin City story has been done by just ONE guy. There really is comparison.


I think the comparison is ridiculously unfair. Of course Sin City looked the part: Frank Miller was the only cat who worked on the comic and he worked closely on the movie. Where does one decide to draw for Spider-Man? Do we go with the elegant subtlety of Ditko, or the wacky contortionist of McFarlane? Bagley's freaky-yet-still-humanoid Venom or Larsen's flappy-jawed monstrosity?


What about the Dodson Marvel Nights Version that kind of looks more like a human orca.

[el brujo138]

I never said that it would be less quality wise, but that it can be. A filmmaker isn't as free to do something as a comic book writer is and that's the reality of the situation.

With movies, you have to think in terms of plausibility. For example, in the comics, wolverine has been known to have his hands in all sorts of positions when popping his claws, but if people saw Wolverine in an awkward position, they'd be wondering why he didn't pop his claws through his forearms or through his leg.

Your arguement is solely based on a literal take on the character as the only acceptable option and there's nothing wrong with that. But since it's Raimi's responsibility to maximize everything to make it a great movie, I will defer to his judgement on that.

Yes I thought you would reply with something like this.

You have belive that Raimi can and should make changes to the Spider-Man story and in this case, so we don´t go to far off-topic, the character of Eddie Brock. The thing about that is in some parts of the Venom story changes are to be expected, like the symbiots origin, the Secret Wars origin has got to go. I have no problem with with a change like that because it makes sense, if something is impossible to do on the big screen, and Secret Wars is, then change it.

But here is problem with the whole Topher as Brock deal. It is not impossible to do Eddie as the man he is - a big man - like it is impossible to do Secret Wars. And if something is not impossible, then why not do it. Why change something - and here is the part where we don´t see eye to eye - that has already proven to be succesful? You can talk about Raimi responsibility about maximizing in the movie all you want, but from where I sit the original Venom story has proven succesful already and if it is not impossible to do it then why should I as a fan accept something other then the character that I liked in the first place.

Just because Raimi likes to change things about the characters doesn´t make them better. Doc Ock in Spider-Man suffered from being changed, he wasn´t as intresting as the comic version of Doc Ock. Norman/Goblin on the other hand worked out fine and there was no big changes from the comic. Raimi has changed characters before in the series (Doc Ock) and the movies became worse, when he stuck to the source material the movies worked. Do you know why? Because the source material is that good and better than Raimis vision.

[Scott Free]

There are about 380 million reasons why Sony won't be listening to your impassioned plea.

[el brujo138]

There are about 380 million reasons why Sony won't be listening to your impassioned plea.

Such a brilliant argument, you are the best debater I have ever met. The way you meet my arguments head on and dissect them astounds me. I admit defeat to you, you have convinced me that Raimi can do whatever the hell he wants to do and Spider-Man fans should sit there and take it, because BY GOD they have 380 milion reasons. And as a fan of Spider-Man I should respect Sony and Raimi and not the source material, because what is most important to me as a fan that Sony get their money.

[Scott Free]

Such a brilliant argument, you are the best debater I have ever met. The way you meet my arguments head on and dissect them astounds me. I admit defeat to you, you have convinced me that Raimi can do whatever the hell he wants to do and Spider-Man fans should sit there and take it, because BY GOD they have 380 milion reasons. And as a fan of Spider-Man I should respect Sony and Raimi and not the source material, because what is most important to me as a fan that Sony get their money. I\'m not saying it\'s the right thing and God Help all who disagree. But Raimi keeps making lots and lots of money, so they\'re going to continue to let him do what he wants. Deal with it.

[el brujo138]

I\'m not saying it\'s the right thing and God Help all who disagree. But Raimi keeps making lots and lots of money, so they\'re going to continue to let him do what he wants. Deal with it.

Dealing with it? Yeah that would make this board really funny.

"So they changed Eddie into a hybrid of Black Cat and Venom, this might not be the best approach but criticism is useless, let us all deal with it"

Reply: "Yes, you are correct, I might not agree with turning The Lizard into Spider-Mans love intrest, but let us just deal with it."

We might as well close the board down if everything is going to be about how great the Spider-Man movies are and above all criticism and how people that oppose stupid changes shouldn´t bother to write because they will just have to deal with it.

[Scott Free]

Dealing with it? Yeah that would make this board really funny.

"So they changed Eddie into a hybrid of Black Cat and Venom, this might not be the best approach but criticism is useless, let us all deal with it"

Reply: "Yes, you are correct, I might not agree with turning The Lizard into Spider-Mans love intrest, but let us just deal with it."

We might as well close the board down if everything is going to be about how great the Spider-Man movies are and above all criticism and how people that oppose stupid changes shouldn´t bother to write because they will just have to deal with it. You wanna step down from your high horse and have a chat? I believe you were against putting words in other people\'s mouths last night, don\'t start it today.

You don\'t have to like the changes, but there isn\'t much of a reason to argue about things that won\'t be changing, especially if you\'re going to be such a jerk about it.

[el brujo138]

You wanna step down from your high horse and have a chat? I believe you were against putting words in other people\'s mouths last night, don\'t start it today.

You don\'t have to like the changes, but there isn\'t much of a reason to argue about things that won\'t be changing, especially if you\'re going to be such a jerk about it.

In case you didn´t notice I don´t argue against the changes, I oppose the changes but I am also realistic about that this is going to happen. I am aware of that.

The thing is this board is full of people that think that casting Topher is a really good idea. And when I question them about it, citing things like that Topher looks nothing like Eddie and asking why they think that it´s a good idea. The only reply that I get is that they have faith in Raimi or people like you saying that I should deal with it.

So if you like this idea about Topher playing Eddie, then back it up with something other then telling me to deal with it. Because in essence you are telling me to shut up and that is not a good way to have a discussion. Tell me why you think that casting Topher is a good idea going on facts and things that we have seen. Topher in other roles, the Spider-Man movies so far etc etc.

[Scott Free]

In case you didn´t notice I don´t argue against the changes, I oppose the changes but I am also realistic about that this is going to happen. I am aware of that.

The thing is this board is full of people that think that casting Topher is a really good idea. And when I question them about it, citing things like that Topher looks nothing like Eddie and asking why they think that it´s a good idea. The only reply that I get is that they have faith in Raimi or people like you saying that I should deal with it.

So if you like this idea about Topher playing Eddie, then back it up with something other then telling me to deal with it. Because in essence you are telling me to shut up and that is not a good way to have a discussion. Tell me why you think that casting Topher is a good idea going on facts and things that we have seen. Topher in other roles, the Spider-Man movies so far etc etc. I don\'t get it, what\'s wrong with the faith argument? If people like what raimi has done with the past two movies, why can\'t they give him the benefit for this one? What\'s so horrible about that?

No, that\'s too much writing, I dont\' care for it:down

However, I will say that if Topher is venom, then that will probably mean they\'re going with the evil twin thing, which I like better then Venom as he is, so good on that. Also, he was nice in that Dennis Quiad movie:up:

[E.Brock]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/Umbrax2/venom.png

[Scott Free]

Did you intentionally try and find the picutere where he looked the most baked?

[E.Brock]

yea well u see raimi was baked when he cast topher as venom and since then topher has picked up raimi's habbits

[ComicBookGuyT]

Is it confirmed that Topher is playing Venom?

[Alexia Dark]

No, it hasn't been confirmed yet.

[ironmaidenrules]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/Umbrax2/venom.png
show that again and i will manifest into a living superherohype and perma-ban you

hehehehehe

[War Lord]

Is it confirmed that Topher is playing Venom?

It hasn't actually been confirmed, but there are just too many clues to indicate otherwise.

[War Lord]

Yes I thought you would reply with something like this.

You have belive that Raimi can and should make changes to the Spider-Man story and in this case, so we don´t go to far off-topic, the character of Eddie Brock. The thing about that is in some parts of the Venom story changes are to be expected, like the symbiots origin, the Secret Wars origin has got to go. I have no problem with with a change like that because it makes sense, if something is impossible to do on the big screen, and Secret Wars is, then change it.

But here is problem with the whole Topher as Brock deal. It is not impossible to do Eddie as the man he is - a big man - like it is impossible to do Secret Wars. And if something is not impossible, then why not do it. Why change something - and here is the part where we don´t see eye to eye - that has already proven to be succesful? You can talk about Raimi responsibility about maximizing in the movie all you want, but from where I sit the original Venom story has proven succesful already and if it is not impossible to do it then why should I as a fan accept something other then the character that I liked in the first place.

Just because Raimi likes to change things about the characters doesn´t make them better. Doc Ock in Spider-Man suffered from being changed, he wasn´t as intresting as the comic version of Doc Ock. Norman/Goblin on the other hand worked out fine and there was no big changes from the comic. Raimi has changed characters before in the series (Doc Ock) and the movies became worse, when he stuck to the source material the movies worked. Do you know why? Because the source material is that good and better than Raimis vision.

It isn't impossible to find a large man to play Brock, but it's unrealistic to think that a man who is bigger than 95% of the male population to be crying about how he's not big enough or man enough to please his father. That's not even remotely a credible storyline. There isn't one moviegoer, aside from yourself, that would go, "Yeah, that makes sense."

Brock, himself, is only going to be on the screen for perhaps 10 minutes with the rest of his screen time being devoted to Venom, so Brock himself is pretty much irrelevant.

I liked the Doc Ock from the movie and didn't think he suffered the least. You have to keep in mind that they don't have movies to develop the character, but only about 15 minutes and, therefore, have to take shortcuts, even if that means cutting entire story arcs out to do it.

[sag002]

I think I would be relieved to find out that Topher has been cast as Electro rather than Brock.

I just can't see them really thinking "Ok, this kid Grace looks like he would make the perfect Eddie Brock"

But I could see them saying "Ok, this kid Grace looks like a great Max Dillon"

Unless they are going for a Jekyll and Hyde thing where Topher's skinny Brock turns into the hulking Venom.

I mean, hey, Sam's casting choices have always been good and interesting. Every actor that has played a villain has been great. In the back of my mind I trust Raimi knows what he is doing.
In the comics, the Venom symbiote fed off hate and anger, which made him grow. Sam could make it so that he gives Eddie lots of hate, and make Venom completely CG. :venom:

[el brujo138]

It isn't impossible to find a large man to play Brock, but it's unrealistic to think that a man who is bigger than 95% of the male population to be crying about how he's not big enough or man enough to please his father. That's not even remotely a credible storyline. There isn't one moviegoer, aside from yourself, that would go, "Yeah, that makes sense."

Brock, himself, is only going to be on the screen for perhaps 10 minutes with the rest of his screen time being devoted to Venom, so Brock himself is pretty much irrelevant.

I liked the Doc Ock from the movie and didn't think he suffered the least. You have to keep in mind that they don't have movies to develop the character, but only about 15 minutes and, therefore, have to take shortcuts, even if that means cutting entire story arcs out to do it.

And how do you know he is only going to be on screen for 10 minutes? That is just you guessing, we have not had a script leak yet, hell Venom hasn´t even been confirmed yet (yes I´m quite convinced he will be in the movie). But somehow you know Eddie will only get 10 minutes and the rest will be Venom, this is your best argument for why Eddie doesn`t need to be a big guy?

[TrueBeliever]

http://tophergracefan.com/pictures/photoshoot/unknown/fl01.jpg
http://tophergracefan.com/pictures/photoshoot/unknown/fl02.jpg
From 2k5, so no, they're not recent but the images are nice.

[Maxime]

Cool pics indeed.

[Frenzy]

Skinny but still - he HAS the look if he chooses to use it :)

[Dr. Lankyman]

http://tophergracefan.com/pictures/photoshoot/unknown/fl01.jpg
http://tophergracefan.com/pictures/photoshoot/unknown/fl02.jpg
From 2k5, so no, they're not recent but the images are nice.
He looks pretty venomish in that first pic. The dark, brooding look fits him surprisingly

[War Lord]

And how do you know he is only going to be on screen for 10 minutes? That is just you guessing, we have not had a script leak yet, hell Venom hasn´t even been confirmed yet (yes I´m quite convinced he will be in the movie). But somehow you know Eddie will only get 10 minutes and the rest will be Venom, this is your best argument for why Eddie doesn`t need to be a big guy?

It's unfortunate that your whole world is going to collapse over this.

[el brujo138]

It's unfortunate that your whole world is going to collapse over this.

What does that even mean? You don´t know anything about the movie, going around and posting crap about how you know that Eddie will be in the movie for 10 minutes and then it´s going to be Venom.

Yeah sure pal, I´m sure Raimi called you last night and you had a chat with him about how things were going with the movie. And then he told you, by the way Eddie is in the movie for 10 minutes - sure the movie won´t be out 15 months or so and we may not have filmed the Eddie parts yet or edited them. But 10 minutes, that´s the magic number War Lord.

Do you see how stupid this sounds?

[War Lord]

What does that even mean? You don´t know anything about the movie, going around and posting crap about how you know that Eddie will be in the movie for 10 minutes and then it´s going to be Venom.

Yeah sure pal, I´m sure Raimi called you last night and you had a chat with him about how things were going with the movie. And then he told you, by the way Eddie is in the movie for 10 minutes - sure the movie won´t be out 15 months or so and we may not have filmed the Eddie parts yet or edited them. But 10 minutes, that´s the magic number War Lord.

Do you see how stupid this sounds?

When I say ten minutes, I'm only giving it an approximate time. It certainly won't be for 2 hours and ten minutes of Brock and ten minutes of Venom.

From the last 2 movies as a guide, and I think we can make a fair judgement based on that, Doc Octavious was only on the screen for about ten minutes before he became Doc Ock and Norman Osborn was also on the screen for about 10 minutes before he became the Green Goblin. I think it's safe to say that Brock will also be on the screen for only a short period of time before he becomes Venom.

But I could be wrong, he might be Brock for ten minutes and thirty seconds.

Oh Noes!

[el brujo138]

When I say ten minutes, I'm only giving it an approximate time. It certainly won't be for 2 hours and ten minutes of Brock and ten minutes of Venom.

From the last 2 movies as a guide, and I think we can make a fair judgement based on that, Doc Octavious was only on the screen for about ten minutes before he became Doc Ock and Norman Osborn was also on the screen for about 10 minutes before he became the Green Goblin. I think it's safe to say that Brock will also be on the screen for only a short period of time before he becomes Venom.

But I could be wrong, he might be Brock for ten minutes and thirty seconds.

Oh Noes!

Yes but in the last 2 movies Spider-Man had one supervillain to deal with in each of them. In this movie he has got three, all rules and what happend in the earlier movies now goes out the window. It doesn´t matter how much screen time Ock got in the last movie because he was the only villain in the next one there will be three villains.

And we don´t know the basic story, Eddie could be Eddie from the opening scene to the last scene where he becomes Venom giving him a whole lot more screen time than 10 minutes 30 seconds. You don´t know because you have not read the script and comparing to the two previous movies doesn´t work because neither of them had three villains.

[War Lord]

Yes but in the last 2 movies Spider-Man had one supervillain to deal with in each of them. In this movie he has got three, all rules and what happend in the earlier movies now goes out the window. It doesn´t matter how much screen time Ock got in the last movie because he was the only villain in the next one there will be three villains.

And we don´t know the basic story, Eddie could be Eddie from the opening scene to the last scene where he becomes Venom giving him a whole lot more screen time than 10 minutes 30 seconds. You don´t know because you have not read the script and comparing to the two previous movies doesn´t work because neither of them had three villains.

We know that the third movie is likely just a set up for Venom in the fourth movie. For the Venom story to be told properly, two movies are needed. In the third movie, the reasons for Brock's hatred of Peter are going to be established and then it will be Venom all the way in the fourth. The most of Venom you will see is Brock being taken over by the symbiote and perhaps some kind of anonymous attack by Venom on Spiderman. You still won't see much of Brock, other than what is needed to establish his character.

[el brujo138]

We know that the third movie is likely just a set up for Venom in the fourth movie. For the Venom story to be told properly, two movies are needed. In the third movie, the reasons for Brock's hatred of Peter are going to be established and then it will be Venom all the way in the fourth. The most of Venom you will see is Brock being taken over by the symbiote and perhaps some kind of anonymous attack by Venom on Spiderman. You still won't see much of Brock, other than what is needed to establish his character.

No we don´t know that this is just a set up for the fourth movie, it hasn´t been confirmed, we can guess and we can speculate.

But if it is just a set up for the fourth movie then your entire argument about Eddie being in the movie for such a short time as 10 minutes is useless. If they are going to set him up for a future bigger part, then they will give him more than ten minutes. Plenty of time for the characters to evolve and go through changes, like Harry. Harry has had plenty of screen time to set up that he is going to be a villain. Both in the first and in the second part.

If this is just to set up Eddie for a later bigger part, and remember this is just speculation we have no proof Spider-Man 4 is not confirmed, why would they give him such a small part. If they want to set up a character for later use in a bigger part then they should give him more than 10 minutes. It would only make sense to give him a small amount of screen time if they didn´t have time to do a proper origin.

It would be stupid as well. Hey audience remember that guy that you saw bits and pieces of well he is now a monster hell bent on killing Spider-Man. If they want an emotional impact the slow build with plenty of screen time for the character to make sure the audience understands his motives. Once again like Harry, Harry´s turn to the dark side is going to carry an emotional impact because we have seen him for a long time.

[War Lord]

No we don´t know that this is just a set up for the fourth movie, it hasn´t been confirmed, we can guess and we can speculate.

But if it is just a set up for the fourth movie then your entire argument about Eddie being in the movie for such a short time as 10 minutes is useless. If they are going to set him up for a future bigger part, then they will give him more than ten minutes. Plenty of time for the characters to evolve and go through changes, like Harry. Harry has had plenty of screen time to set up that he is going to be a villain. Both in the first and in the second part.

If this is just to set up Eddie for a later bigger part, and remember this is just speculation we have no proof Spider-Man 4 is not confirmed, why would they give him such a small part. If they want to set up a character for later use in a bigger part then they should give him more than 10 minutes. It would only make sense to give him a small amount of screen time if they didn´t have time to do a proper origin.

It would be stupid as well. Hey audience remember that guy that you saw bits and pieces of well he is now a monster hell bent on killing Spider-Man. If they want an emotional impact the slow build with plenty of screen time for the character to make sure the audience understands his motives. Once again like Harry, Harry´s turn to the dark side is going to carry an emotional impact because we have seen him for a long time.

Not saying the part is small, but it will be highly focused. You're taking me too literally when I say ten minutes. I'm only saying that the movie won't be entirely focused on Brock and than a small part on Venom.

[el brujo138]

This is getting silly. Topher looks nothing like Eddie, which is a fact. And when confronted with this the apologists argument is that they through some weird mystical way know that this just a set up for a fourth movie that hasn´t been comfirmed.

And then when confronted with the fact that Topher isn´t big enough to play a man who is obsessed with bodybuilding the aplogy is that it is much more intresting with a small man becoming Venom. That´s nice but that isn´t Eddie Brock. Besides it works fine when Eddie is a big man, because no matter how big he is he still feels inferior. A feeling that he can´t shake no matter how hard he tries and then finally he gets the ultimate power by joining with the symbiote. A creature that shares the feeling of being inferior and not being loved as Peter dumped it. Despite it´s power.

It´s like Anakin in Star Wars, he was strong but craved more and more power until he finally took the short cut to ultimate power.

[War Lord]

This is getting silly. Topher looks nothing like Eddie, which is a fact. And when confronted with this the apologists argument is that they through some weird mystical way know that this just a set up for a fourth movie that hasn´t been comfirmed.

And then when confronted with the fact that Topher isn´t big enough to play a man who is obsessed with bodybuilding the aplogy is that it is much more intresting with a small man becoming Venom. That

That's all you're focused on is that because Topher doesn't look like Brock in the 616 universe, that you cannot accept any other kind of alternative, even if the alternative is a better storyline. I'm convinved that Raimi has the bigger picture and a better picture in mind and I'm not going to limit him to a carbon copy, uninspired story.

Considering that Stan Lee hasn't raised any concerns, should say a lot.

[el brujo138]

That's all you're focused on is that because Topher doesn't look like Brock in the 616 universe, that you cannot accept any other kind of alternative, even if the alternative is a better storyline. I'm convinved that Raimi has the bigger picture and a better picture in mind and I'm not going to limit him to a carbon copy, uninspired story.

Considering that Stan Lee hasn't raised any concerns, should say a lot.

You replied to my unfinished post, I hit add reply to early.

Who says it´s better? You haven´t seen the script or the movie so you don´t know it´s better, you are going on things that you haven´t seen yet so you can not say it is better. The original Venom story on the other hand is a finished story so I can safely say that it is a good story. Better than the story that you just made up out of speculation.

It is stupid to presume that something that you haven´t seen is better than something that already exists. If you don´t understand that then you are deluded.

[War Lord]

You replied to my unfinished post, I hit add reply to early.

Who says it´s better? You haven´t seen the script or the movie so you don´t know it´s better, you are going on things that you haven´t seen yet so you can not say it is better. The original Venom story on the other hand is a finished story so I can safely say that it is a good story. Better than the story that you just made up out of speculation.

It is stupid to presume that something that you haven´t seen is better than something that already exists. If you don´t understand that then you are deluded.

I'm trusting Raimi, after two successful movies that proved their worth, I can give him a chance. Unfortunately, you're need for a carbon copy, uninspired movie, is giving you a very narrow sight. It would be far easier for Raimi to just print up a script directly based on the comics, even if it leaves movie goers scratching their heads as to why a 6'4 man is crying about not being man enough.

I've come to my conclusions based on what other posters (who've proven their worth) and the clues that Sony, Raimi or the actors have dropped and am fairly confident that I have an accurate gist of what is coming down.

[el brujo138]

I'm trusting Raimi, after two successful movies that proved their worth, I can give him a chance. Unfortunately, you're need for a carbon copy, uninspired movie, is giving you a very narrow sight. It would be far easier for Raimi to just print up a script directly based on the comics, even if it leaves movie goers scratching their heads as to why a 6'4 man is crying about not being man enough.

I've come to my conclusions based on what other posters (who've proven their worth) and the clues that Sony, Raimi or the actors have dropped and am fairly confident that I have an accurate gist of what is coming down.

Yeah sure just like no one could understand why Anakin Skywalker despite being powerful still wanted more power. It could be done, if Lucas did it then Raimi can do it, he has the blueprint in the comics, work with that.

[War Lord]

Yeah sure just like no one could understand why Anakin Skywalker despite being powerful still wanted more power. It could be done, if Lucas did it then Raimi can do it, he has the blueprint in the comics, work with that.

It could be done if the time within a movie allowed for it. But a 2.5 hour movie would only allow for it, if Venom was the only focus, which it is not.

Lucas had 6 movies, each being 2 hours or 2.5 hours to allow the development of Anakin and Raimi doesn't have that kind of time.

[el brujo138]

I'm trusting Raimi, after two successful movies that proved their worth, I can give him a chance. Unfortunately, you're need for a carbon copy, uninspired movie, is giving you a very narrow sight. It would be far easier for Raimi to just print up a script directly based on the comics, even if it leaves movie goers scratching their heads as to why a 6'4 man is crying about not being man enough.

I've come to my conclusions based on what other posters (who've proven their worth) and the clues that Sony, Raimi or the actors have dropped and am fairly confident that I have an accurate gist of what is coming down.

I don´t want a carbon copy but I don´t want characters changed when the original character could be done.

By your comments here, you must despise the first Spider-Man movie because Norman is a carbon copy of the comic book Norman. How narrow minded of a Spider-Man fan to want the characters done correctly.

Sucking up to Raimi and just swallowing everything without criticising it is quite narrow minded as well...

[el brujo138]

It could be done if the time within a movie allowed for it. But a 2.5 hour movie would only allow for it, if Venom was the only focus, which it is not.

Lucas had 6 movies, each being 2 hours or 2.5 hours to allow the development of Anakin and Raimi doesn't have that kind of time.

But he is just being set up for that fourth movie you said so yourself, plenty of time then...

[War Lord]

But he is just being set up for that fourth movie you said so yourself, plenty of time then...

Again, 2.5 hours would only be enough if Brock was the only focus, which we know that he's not. A movie and a half is enough, which is what Raimi is giving him, but only because their altering the origin for the movie.

[el brujo138]

Again, 2.5 hours would only be enough if Brock was the only focus, which we know that he's not. A movie and a half is enough, which is what Raimi is giving him, but only because their altering the origin for the movie.

Once again your argument is based on speculation not on facts, you don´t know anything and you keep ducking this. Saying that you have put together how the movie will turn out from Internet gossip doesn´t work, we are at least 14 months away from the premiere, if you don´t work on the movie you don´t know anything.

But still you claim the story that YOU put together through some tidbits here and there is better than a story that has been completed and exists. You don´t find your reasoning here a bit weird, because it looks like delusion to me. You have such faith in Raimi that you are prepared to hail the story of the movie, that you don´t know, better than a story that you do know, that isn´t just stupid that is being deluded.

[el brujo138]

It could be done if the time within a movie allowed for it. But a 2.5 hour movie would only allow for it, if Venom was the only focus, which it is not.

Lucas had 6 movies, each being 2 hours or 2.5 hours to allow the development of Anakin and Raimi doesn't have that kind of time.

Actually Lucas had 3 movies, the OT deals with Vader after he has turned. Only the PT deals with Anakin and him lusting for more and more power turning him evil. And actually most of that is done in Episode II and the first hour of Episode III.

Raimi can do it with Eddie, all it takes is some creativity and good writing and the point will be made clear.

[War Lord]

I don´t want a carbon copy but I don´t want characters changed when the original character could be done.

By your comments here, you must despise the first Spider-Man movie because Norman is a carbon copy of the comic book Norman. How narrow minded of a Spider-Man fan to want the characters done correctly.

Sucking up to Raimi and just swallowing everything without criticising it is quite narrow minded as well...

I'm fine with whether a character is a carbon copy or an alterated one, as long as it works.

I'm not personally stuck on, what I think is a relatively minor detail if the overall theme of the character is caught accurately. To me, having Brock being a large man is a relatively minor detail when compared with the psychological aspects of the character. I'd rather be convinced of the character than to walk away with the impression that he's just loony.

[War Lord]

Actually Lucas had 3 movies, the OT deals with Vader after he has turned. Only the PT deals with Anakin and him lusting for more and more power turning him evil. And actually most of that is done in Episode II and the first hour of Episode III.

Raimi can do it with Eddie, all it takes is some creativity and good writing and the point will be made clear.

The first three movies also involved the development of Darth Vader, his redemption.

[el brujo138]

I'm fine with whether a character is a carbon copy or an alterated one, as long as it works.

I'm not personally stuck on, what I think is a relatively minor detail if the overall theme of the character is caught accurately. To me, having Brock being a large man is a relatively minor detail when compared with the psychological aspects of the character. I'd rather be convinced of the character than to walk away with the impression that he's just loony.

But the psychological aspects of the character is there when he is a big man as well.

[War Lord]

Once again your argument is based on speculation not on facts, you don´t know anything and you keep ducking this. Saying that you have put together how the movie will turn out from Internet gossip doesn´t work, we are at least 14 months away from the premiere, if you don´t work on the movie you don´t know anything.

But still you claim the story that YOU put together through some tidbits here and there is better than a story that has been completed and exists. You don´t find your reasoning here a bit weird, because it looks like delusion to me. You have such faith in Raimi that you are prepared to hail the story of the movie, that you don´t know, better than a story that you do know, that isn´t just stupid that is being deluded.

It may be just based on internet gossip, but the conclusions I've drawn so far has been pretty much dead-on. Will it always dead-on or will it catch any 180 degree turns that Raimi might take? No, but so far that hasn't happened.

[War Lord]

But the psychological aspects of the character is there when he is a big man as well.

It isn't as convincing. A smaller man who cries that he doesn't measure up is far more convincing than a much larger man crying about the same thing.

[el brujo138]

The first three movies also involved the development of Darth Vader, his redemption.

Yes but we were not talking about the redemption of Vader. We were talking about craving more power even though you are already powerful as Anakin does in the PT and as Eddie does in the comics.

Vaders redemption hasn´t got anything to do with our discussion, it could but we are already getting a bit offtopic.

[el brujo138]

It isn't as convincing. A smaller man who cries that he doesn't measure up is far more convincing than a much larger man crying about the same thing.

You are the on that wanted the psychological aspects of the character. That means that you have to get in to his mind not just take what you see for granted. Eddie being a big man but still feeling inferior would take psychological aspect to portray. Eddie being a small man and feeling inferior can be shown up front without the same level of psychological aspects.

[War Lord]

Yes but we were not talking about the redemption of Vader. We were talking about craving more power even though you are already powerful as Anakin does in the PT and as Eddie does in the comics.

Vaders redemption hasn´t got anything to do with our discussion, it could but we are already getting a bit offtopic.

and Eddie will more effectively portray this as Topher.

Besides, you can't name such a large thespian that you think could do the job anyway.

[War Lord]

You are the on that wanted the psychological aspects of the character. That means that you have to get in to his mind not just take what you see for granted. Eddie being a big man but still feeling inferior would take psychological aspect to portray. Eddie being a small man and feeling inferior can be shown up front without the same level of psychological aspects.

It would be less effective if Eddie was a larger man than if he was smaller.

[The Joker]

It would be less effective if Eddie was a larger man than if he was smaller.

LOL! :D

Oh wait you're serious.....you think a smaller man like Topher is more effective than a large intimidating man?? o_O

What ever floats your boat.

[el brujo138]

It would be less effective if Eddie was a larger man than if he was smaller.

It wouldn´t be less effective at all, it worked fine in the comic books. You can easily put it on screen why Eddie feels inferior. Just show some of the conflict with his father - you know the psychological aspect that you claim you wanted to see. Or do you not want psychological aspects of the characters?

[el brujo138]

LOL! :D

Oh wait you're serious.....you think a smaller man like Topher is more effective than a large intimidating man?? o_O

What ever floats your boat.

Welcome to the upside down world, anything to excuse Raimis shortcomings and to defend poor casting.

[dr venture]

are you guys seriously arguing over a character that hasn't even been confirmed yet

[War Lord]

LOL! :D

Oh wait you're serious.....you think a smaller man like Topher is more effective than a large intimidating man?? o_O

What ever floats your boat.

For lamenting his inability to not being the man he thinks he should be, yes.

However for the purpose of Venom, Venom needs to be huge and he will be.

I can see over the course of the fourth movie, which I think is safe to assume there will be, that Venom grows in size over the course of the movie.

[War Lord]

It wouldn´t be less effective at all, it worked fine in the comic books. You can easily put it on screen why Eddie feels inferior. Just show some of the conflict with his father - you know the psychological aspect that you claim you wanted to see. Or do you not want psychological aspects of the characters?

An abusive father who beats the crap out of Eddie Brock will have an easier time beating up a smaller man than a larger one.

[The Joker]

For lamenting his inability to not being the man he thinks he should be, yes.

However for the purpose of Venom, Venom needs to be huge and he will be.

I can see over the course of the fourth movie, which I think is safe to assume there will be, that Venom grows in size over the course of the movie.

You have too much faith in Raimi my friend.All this is on assumption that he'll follow true to the comics.

A small man turning into a large monster is not psychologically effective.It's silly.Are we to believe the symbiote can also double a person's size?? Is Spidey going to become a huge mass of muscle too when he get's the black suit??

As for a fourth movie,again you're assuming Brock will even survive this movie.

[el brujo138]

An abusive father who beats the crap out of Eddie Brock will have an easier time beating up a smaller man than a larger one.

Eddies father wasn´t abusive and beat him up, he just never loved Eddie despite how hard Eddie tried. Despite him going in to football, journalism. Everything to please his father and get him to love him.This why Eddie started training, to relieve his stress and his tensions, it is part of who he is.

You just don´t get it, for a man that wants psychological aspects you sure dont know much about psychology.

[el brujo138]

You have too much faith in Raimi my friend.All this is on assumption that he'll follow true to the comics.

A small man turning into a large monster is not psychologically effective.It's silly.Are we to believe the symbiote can also double a person's size?? Is Spidey going to become a huge mass of muscle too when he get's the black suit??

As for a fourth movie,again you're assuming Brock will even survive this movie.

Don´t get him started, he knows everything about the next movie. He has put it together from Internet rumors you see, he even knows how much screen time Eddie will get in the next movie - 10 minutes.

[el brujo138]

An abusive father who beats the crap out of Eddie Brock will have an easier time beating up a smaller man than a larger one.

Besides it wouldn´t matter if Eddie was a big man, his love and respect for his father would make it impossible for him to strike his father. In an abusive relationship it is all about who has the power and who hasn´t, Eddies father is in a position of power and Eddie is not. So size here wouldn´t matter.

Once again psychological aspects of the character, deep rooted psychological aspects.

[justinisloco]

I have to admit.. i love this manip

http://i1.tinypic.com/s4s07n.jpg

[War Lord]

You have too much faith in Raimi my friend.All this is on assumption that he'll follow true to the comics.

A small man turning into a large monster is not psychologically effective.It's silly.Are we to believe the symbiote can also double a person's size?? Is Spidey going to become a huge mass of muscle too when he get's the black suit??

As for a fourth movie,again you're assuming Brock will even survive this movie.

Venom in the comics did add size to Brock and Venom grew quite a bit after taking over Brock. Does this pic really represent Brock as he really is?

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/4/45/Venom_12.jpg

I think a reasonable scenario is that the symbiote reads it's host and gives the host what he wants. Brock wants to be bigger, and so the symbiote makes him bigger. I don't know what Peter wants, so we'll have to wait and see what the symbiote gives him.

[dr venture]

^ could possibly make that pic bigger you know like wallpaper size

[War Lord]

Eddies father wasn´t abusive and beat him up, he just never loved Eddie despite how hard Eddie tried. Despite him going in to football, journalism. Everything to please his father and get him to love him.This why Eddie started training, to relieve his stress and his tensions, it is part of who he is.

You just don´t get it, for a man that wants psychological aspects you sure dont know much about psychology.

I do understand psychology more than you think, however that's irrelevant. This aspect of Brock can still be done with Grace, you don't need a large man to show this. If grace goes from 160 to 200, it will be far more impressive screnwise than 220 to 260.

[War Lord]

^ could possibly make that pic bigger you know like wallpaper size

I just copied from Marvel site and no, I don't know how to host pics on picture sites and recopy them unto SHH.

[dr venture]

^alright thanks anyway

[War Lord]

^alright thanks anyway

If you go to marvel's website, you can probably do it yourself easily enough.

[el brujo138]

I do understand psychology more than you think, however that's irrelevant. This aspect of Brock can still be done with Grace, you don't need a large man to show this. If grace goes from 160 to 200, it will be far more impressive screnwise than 220 to 260.

That wasn´t your argument, you are backtracking. You said that the story of Eddie would be better told with psychological aspects with a smaller man. I just proved that it works just the same with a big man.

Do you understand that psychological aspects means showing what is going on inside a person based on conflicts, in this case it´s even better because it is about conflict with a parent. A parent that doesn´t love you despite your best efforts which leaves scars and effects who you are. To relieve this Eddie goes into bodybuilding, shaping himself into a huge muscular man. This is a really important part of who he is.

So no I don´t think you know or understand psychology, your post about it being harder to beat up a bigger man than a smaller man showed that as I explained in another post about abusive relationships.

[War Lord]

That wasn´t your argument, you are backtracking. You said that the story of Eddie would be better told with psychological aspects with a smaller man. I just proved that it works just the same with a big man.

Do you understand that psychological aspects means showing what is going on inside a person based on conflicts, in this case it´s even better because it is about conflict with a parent. A parent that doesn´t love you despite your best efforts which leaves scars and effects who you are. To relieve this Eddie goes into bodybuilding, shaping himself into a huge muscular man. This is a really important part of who he is.

So no I don´t think you know or understand psychology, your post about it being harder to beat up a bigger man than a smaller man showed that as I explained in another post about abusive relationships.

You still haven't come up with even one name of an actor, 6'4 and 260 lbs that could play a credible part.

You have proven Jack in regards to showing how the story needs a large man to tell it properly. I've never denied the bodybuilding aspect of Brock. Eddie going into bodybuilding can still be done, you don't need a large man to show this. If Grace adds even 20 lbs to his frame, it'll be far more impressive visually than adding 40 lbs to somebody who is 6'4.

[el brujo138]

You still haven't come up with even one name of an actor, 6'4 and 260 lbs that could play a credible part.

You have proven Jack in regards to showing how the story needs a large man to tell it properly. I've never denied the bodybuilding aspect of Brock. Eddie going into bodybuilding can still be done, you don't need a large man to show this. If Grace adds even 20 lbs to his frame, it'll be far more impressive visually than adding 40 lbs to somebody who is 6'4.

If Topher adds 20 lbs to his frame all he does look like is a fit guy, Eddie is obsessive, he doesn´t look like a fit guy he looks like a body builder. That is something that even you admit is part of his personality.

And yes I did prove how the story of Eddie need a big man to tell with the psychological aspects that you yourself wanted to be a big part of the character, it´s a shame that you lack education in psychology because you don´t understand why this is important. Next time don´t say you want to see something that you dont know what it is.

I haven´t even thought about actors, it´s not important, Topher is casted to play Eddie that is a fact (waiting for official confirmation, but the black suit picture sealed the deal).

[War Lord]

If Topher adds 20 lbs to his frame all he does look like is a fit guy, Eddie is obsessive, he doesn´t look like a fit guy he looks like a body builder. That is something that even you admit is part of his personality.

And yes I did prove how the story of Eddie need a big man to tell with the psychological aspects that you yourself wanted to be a big part of the character, it´s a shame that you lack education in psychology because you don´t understand why this is important. Next time don´t say you want to see something that you dont know what it is.

I haven´t even thought about actors, it´s not important, Topher is casted to play Eddie that is a fact (waiting for official confirmation, but the black suit picture sealed the deal).

Again, you're taking me too literally instead of dealing with the conceptual points. Do I need to write a 5,000 word dissertation to get my point across successfully? I'm not saying that to put you down, but when I give a figure that is obviously meant to be a starting point or an approximation, you treat it as ironclad. What's up with that?

Topher at 180, though he'll probably weigh closer to 190 or even 200, since he has a year to train, will look fairly amazing. He'll get the same training that Tobey got, but a longer period to do it. Someone who is 5'10, 180 to 200 and cut to ribbons will look the part.

You proved nothing, other than the fact that you want a literal take and word by word movie. The possible abusive background and body-building aspect can easily be done by Topher as much as anybody.

Yes, I do understand the psychological take better than you, because I have come from that kind of abusive background and dealt with it successfully as well as helped others deal with theirs.

It surprises me that you haven't thought about the actual actors, considering your whole well-being seems to be wrapped up in having a Brock right off the comics.

Maybe Raimi, to please you, can use photocopied cut outs blown up to the proper proportions, since nothing else would please you.

[The Joker]

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/4/45/Venom_12.jpg



That is one of the most exaggerated renditions of Venom I've ever seen.

But I can certainly see an Eddie Brock like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Venom_uk/Eddie02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Venom_uk/Eddie01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Venom_uk/Eddie03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Venom_uk/Eddie06.jpg

turning into this:

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/4/45/Venom_12.jpg


Rather than someone like this:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8734/566163862yi.jpg


^^^^^ A joke IMO.

[Spider-Fan]

Your right, Ock. Topher as Venom is a joke. I have absolutely no confidence in Topher for this role. He will be terrible.

[Spider-Bite]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Jason141/041230_InGoodCompany_vl.jpg

[Jubba]

he's just evil here...looks like MJ is going to be dangled from a bridge again!

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1696/topherlegs7ty.jpg

[Jubba]

seems like he could be brooding over something venomous here...manip away, make it happen

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6259/toph8pd.jpg

[Jubba]

a closeup...looking grim, maybe pondering how to get even while still be good? maybe not...

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4372/tophead6ag.jpg

[el brujo138]

Again, you're taking me too literally instead of dealing with the conceptual points. Do I need to write a 5,000 word dissertation to get my point across successfully? I'm not saying that to put you down, but when I give a figure that is obviously meant to be a starting point or an approximation, you treat it as ironclad. What's up with that?

Topher at 180, though he'll probably weigh closer to 190 or even 200, since he has a year to train, will look fairly amazing. He'll get the same training that Tobey got, but a longer period to do it. Someone who is 5'10, 180 to 200 and cut to ribbons will look the part.

You proved nothing, other than the fact that you want a literal take and word by word movie. The possible abusive background and body-building aspect can easily be done by Topher as much as anybody.

Yes, I do understand the psychological take better than you, because I have come from that kind of abusive background and dealt with it successfully as well as helped others deal with theirs.

It surprises me that you haven't thought about the actual actors, considering your whole well-being seems to be wrapped up in having a Brock right off the comics.

Maybe Raimi, to please you, can use photocopied cut outs blown up to the proper proportions, since nothing else would please you.


The reason I haven´t thought about who is going to play Venom is because I find fantasy casting boring and meaningless, it doesn´t matter.

It´s a good thing Raimi has fans like you, because where I demand quality and respect for the source material you will just take anything that he puts on screen and embrace it as great and better than the source material. Hey you don´t even need to see it because as you yourself has written you already know that it is going to be better.

There is no way that Topher weighs 190 lbs, and you do realise that filming has started, he is not going to get a whole lot bigger than he is now. He hasn´t got a year to train, the movie premiers next year in May. Some 14 months from now, he hasn´t got the time to bulk up. Where do you find that year, its late march 2006 and next year in the early summer the movie will premier.

I want the source material treated with respect, I want translations from the comic book to the big screen that display the characters personality. Like Norman Osborn in the first Spider-Man movie, like Harry has been done so far.

Yeah, sure you know alot about psychology, your completly ignorant post about how it is harder to beat up a bigger child than a smaller child show that you know nothing about abusive relationships and the dynamic within an abusive relationship.

Enjoy Topher but I´m sure you will since you already have convinced yourself that both him and the story is going to be great.

[justinisloco]

seems like he could be brooding over something venomous here...manip away, make it happen

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6259/toph8pd.jpg



Done..


http://i2.tinypic.com/s626f4.jpg

[Silverstein]

brujo, you're right. But at the same time I don't think of the movies as a direct translation, I think of them as like an interpretation. Like a graphic novel. In this interpretation, spidey had organic webs, he knew mj before gwen, Doc Ock had a wife, etc....And Eddie Brock is going to be a slimer, younger man. This isn't too far from source material because ultimate eddie is similar to topher grace.

Brujo, I think you put a lot of thought into what you said, so please understand that I'm not being sarcastic or anything. I really respect what you said, but at the same time....You said that certain people have convinced themselves that both Topher and the story are going to be great, yet you would appear to have convinved yourself that they're going to be a dissapointment.

I find that the most truest of translations isn't neccesarily in the costumes or apperances of the characters but how they react to each other. Peter loves MJ, Eddie Brock will be some kind of villain or anti-hero or something. Green Goblin was evil and plotting, and even after his death is still haunting Peter. Harry was his friend, he depends on the love of MJ and aunt may. Everything seems about right there.

[War Lord]

The reason I haven´t thought about who is going to play Venom is because I find fantasy casting boring and meaningless, it doesn´t matter.

It´s a good thing Raimi has fans like you, because where I demand quality and respect for the source material you will just take anything that he puts on screen and embrace it as great and better than the source material. Hey you don´t even need to see it because as you yourself has written you already know that it is going to be better.

There is no way that Topher weighs 190 lbs, and you do realise that filming has started, he is not going to get a whole lot bigger than he is now. He hasn´t got a year to train, the movie premiers next year in May. Some 14 months from now, he hasn´t got the time to bulk up. Where do you find that year, its late march 2006 and next year in the early summer the movie will premier.

I want the source material treated with respect, I want translations from the comic book to the big screen that display the characters personality. Like Norman Osborn in the first Spider-Man movie, like Harry has been done so far.

Yeah, sure you know alot about psychology, your completly ignorant post about how it is harder to beat up a bigger child than a smaller child show that you know nothing about abusive relationships and the dynamic within an abusive relationship.

Enjoy Topher but I´m sure you will since you already have convinced yourself that both him and the story is going to be great.

He's been training for at least three months already and has time for upwards of nine months left to train. Because he's been ordered to keep himself covered, we can't really say what kind of shape he's in. There's a good chance that he's gained upwards of 15 lbs of muscle at the moment. That doesn't mean that he's gained any actual weight because he's also spent three months burning fat, so the net weight might be negligible.

You don't really want the source material respected, you just want a direct translation, whether or not it would translate well. As a movie goer, if a change that makes sense and perhaps improves the character for the movie, I'd rather see that then some uninspired copy.

I'm not saying that bigger men can't have abused backgrounds or be affected by it. I'm saying that the average movie-goer ain't going to buy the concept of the biggest-man-on-the-block being jealous of being less of a man than a wisp like Peter Parker.

[TheVileOne]

Doc Ock, why don't you show pictures of how much bigger Hugh Jackman is as Wolverine than in the comics?

Annoying fanboys.

[The Joker]

Doc Ock, why don't you show pictures of how much bigger Hugh Jackman is as Wolverine than in the comics?

Where have I ever said Jackman was a good choice for Wolverine?? Wolverine is supposed to be short.

Annoying fanboys.

Awww am I annoying you Mr Apologist?? Well gee I'm all torn up about that :D

[TheVileOne]

Where have I ever said Jackman was a good choice for Wolverine?? Wolverine is supposed to be short.

I never saw people whine this much about Wolverine needing to be short. You know what I hear from most fanboys? How awesome Jackman was and how much he nailed Wolverine. The majority of fanboys could seemingly care less about how tall he is.

Awww am I annoying you Mr Apologist?? Well gee I'm all torn up about that :D

I've yet to apologize for anything, Mr. Kvetching Pants.

[The Joker]

I never saw people whine this much about Wolverine needing to be short. You know what I hear from most fanboys? How awesome Jackman was and how much he nailed Wolverine. The majority of fanboys could seemingly care less about how tall he is.

Uh huh......and??? Are you comparing a guy who at leasts bears some resemblence to Wolverine,but has a difference in height,to a guy who neither looks like Brock but is also nowhere near his size??

I've yet to apologize for anything, Mr. Kvetching Pants.

You're always doing it.Anyone,and I mean anyone makes a crticism about the Spider-Man movies,and you're in there,apologetic guns blazing :D

The way you carry on you'd think you made these movies :o

I swear if Raimi gave Parker a sex change in Spider-Man 3 you'd defend it.Yep you're that bad :)

At least most people here have the balls to admit that Raimi made some major screw ups,and that these movies are actually flawed,but they still like the movies anyway.

[TheVileOne]

Uh huh......and??? Are you comparing a guy who at leasts bears some resemblence to Wolverine,but has a difference in height,to a guy who neither looks like Brock but is also nowhere near his size??

Without the mutton chops and the hair, when he's just casually Jackman, he doesn't resemble Wolverine at all. He's this prissy, song and dance Australian guy.

You're like the studio executives that LOATHED the idea of DeNiro as Al Capone because he didn't "LOOK" the part. He was too small and thin they say.


You're always doing it.Anyone,and I mean anyone makes a crticism about the Spider-Man movies,and you're in there,apologetic guns blazing :D


Its not my fault you are such a negative Nancy about it.


I swear if Raimi gave Parker a sex change in Spider-Man 3 you'd defend it.Yep you're that bad :)

:rolleyes:

I've yet to see any deviation that was that ridiculous.


At least most people here have the balls to admit that Raimi made some major screw ups,and that these movies are actually flawed,but they still like the movies anyway.

I don't think it takes balls to complain about something on a message board.

You know what takes balls? Taking on the position of directing three Spider-man movies and dedicating nearly a decade of your life to that character.

[Spider-Bite]

Why would we defend Raimi unless we agreed with the real world that he's doing an excellent job?

[black_dust]

Why would we defend Raimi unless we agreed with the real world that he's doing an excellent job?
He has opened the flood gates for the rest of the superhero films (more than x-men did anyway) which is cool.

But... we all know he isn`t a huge fan of the secret wars ect... so how much say did he really have on the Venom side, if sony was pushing, because they knew we wanted venom.

[The Joker]

Without the mutton chops and the hair, when he's just casually Jackman, he doesn't resemble Wolverine at all. He's this prissy, song and dance Australian guy.

And what are they going to add to Topher to make him look like Brock?? A hair dye job ain't going to swing it.

You're like the studio executives that LOATHED the idea of DeNiro as Al Capone because he didn't "LOOK" the part. He was too small and thin they say.

You're comparing someone of DeNiro's caliber playing a character like Capone,to some TV comedy actor playing a drooling symbiotic monster??

LMAO! :D

Its not my fault you are such a negative Nancy about it.

And it's not my fault you're such an apologist about the flaws.

I don't think it takes balls to complain about something on a message board.

If you took off your rose coloured glasses,you'd see there's nothing wrong with liking a movie,but also realising it's flawed,and deviates from the comics dramatically in several areas.

And guess what,those flaws shall be criticised.If you don't like that,then tough.You should put all us "Annoying fanboys" on ignore if it bothers you that much.If not,I'm more than happy to keep having these little tete a tetes with you :)

You know what takes balls? Taking on the position of directing three Spider-man movies and dedicating nearly a decade of your life to that character.

I'm sure the millions of dollars he get's paid to direct something he supposedly loves,makes it easier :o

[GreenMamba]

Jeebus. Lay off the holier than thou pills, Doc Ock.