Anybody have the most recent pics of Topher Grace?

[The Joker]

Jeebus. Lay off the holier than thou pills, Doc Ock.

Unless you're going to counter argue what I'm saying,save your snide remarks for someone who'll actually take that kind of crap off you.

[GreenMamba]

No, I think I'll see how long it takes to reach your breaking point. I mean, seriously, I'd love to argue, but the sheer amount of argumentum ad hominem in your points make them inarguable.

[The Joker]

No, I think I'll see how long it takes to reach your breaking point.

You're in for a loooooooooooooooong wait then ;)

I mean, seriously, I'd love to argue

Sure you would

but the sheer amount of argumentum ad hominem in your points make them inarguable.

Translation: I can't think of anything to counter argue,so I'm just going to insult you again like I did in my previous post.

[DroolingforGwen]

First time looking at some of those pics... i have to say (just as everyone else has said before) what on earth were they thinking with this casting decision... the only way to do venom now is completely CGI... no one is putting on 15-20 pounds of bulk in 9 months... unless he goes the Barroid Bonds route... i think we are going to get some Hulk variation of Venom.... lets just hope the technology they got isn't a bit premature...

[fangrl06]

First time looking at some of those pics... i have to say (just as everyone else has said before) what on earth were they thinking with this casting decision... the only way to do venom now is completely CGI... no one is putting on 15-20 pounds of bulk in 9 months... unless he goes the Barroid Bonds route... i think we are going to get some Hulk variation of Venom.... lets just hope the technology they got isn't a bit premature...
they'll probably have grace wearing a fake chest or something.

[fangrl06]

Unless you're going to counter argue what I'm saying,save your snide remarks for someone who'll actually take that kind of crap off you.
Whatever dude...

[Cmill216]

no one is putting on 15-20 pounds of bulk in 9 months

Umm....what? :confused:

[fangrl06]

steriods^^:supes:

[Cmill216]

steriods^^:supes:

...Or...working out. A diet. If a person is on a sound weight training program and on a diet, they could easily gain 15-20 pounds of muscle in nine months.

[fangrl06]

...Or...working out. A diet. If a person is on a sound weight training program and on a diet, they could easily gain 15-20 pounds of muscle in nine months.
I know. I'm joking, wouldn't want him to have man-boobs....

[Warhammer]

He'll be on the 70's Show Finale right?
Maybe we'll get to see him then.

:cool:

[DroolingforGwen]

Not just talking about weight... but muscles... it's not ez to develope a chest in that span... unless you hit the gym 4 times a week... good diet, etc... it's possible... my brother was a scrawny ass mo fo and then became the Hulk overnight it seemed... with protein shakes and constant work out... but realistically it takes a year and a half to get decent... and obviously Topher has his work cut out for him... we aren't just talking about the average guy in the gym anyway though... Brock is supposed to be a built guy... not the average dude you see benching 150 tops in the gym... by the way... when is that 70's finale airing?

[TheVileOne]

And what are they going to add to Topher to make him look like Brock?? A hair dye job ain't going to swing it.

Just saying, you said he had resemblance of Wolverine. And off-set he really doesn't. He's tall and wiry. Short hair. Australian accent. Upbeat attitude. Wolverine...short, scrappy, irritable, hairy, and scruffy.


You're comparing someone of DeNiro's caliber playing a character like Capone,to some TV comedy actor playing a drooling symbiotic monster??

LMAO! :D


Well they made some British TV actor, Andy Serkis, a regular, average sized guy into a small, gangly, drooling monster didn't they?

That's the thing about movies.

LMAO! :D

Also, I was just saying, studio executives, sounded the same way you do in their opposition of DeNiro as Capone. They didn't really seem to care for his caliber.

If you took off your rose coloured glasses,you'd see there's nothing wrong with liking a movie,but also realising it's flawed,and deviates from the comics dramatically in several areas.

My glasses are clear, not rose colored.

It deviates more than several areas. And there is nothing wrong with that.


And guess what,those flaws shall be criticised.If you don't like that,then tough.You should put all us "Annoying fanboys" on ignore if it bothers you that much.If not,I'm more than happy to keep having these little tete a tetes with you :)


I don't see flaws being criticized. I just see incessant nitpicking.


I'm sure the millions of dollars he get's paid to direct something he supposedly loves,makes it easier :o

Yup, and he deserves every penny of it.

[Symbiotica]

No, I think I'll see how long it takes to reach your breaking point. I mean, seriously, I'd love to argue, but the sheer amount of argumentum ad hominem in your points make them inarguable.

"Ad hominem"? Maybe when you've been around here long enough, you'll realize why some of these things are being said; it is because some of us are extremely familiar with the person saying them and his tactics - which btw, have had us laughing for years.

Unless, that is, you're actually someone known posting under a "stealth" nickname. We get a lot of that, you certainly would not be the first.

I notice you are trying to take Ock to task for 'ad hominems' yet manage not to chastise the other participant in the conversation. Hmmmm.

As for those of you suggesting Grace should take illegal steriods to bulk up for the role, I have only echoing laughter, tinged with more than a little scorn. Some of you seriously need some help. Really. Its like Gopher being Venom is bound up with your inmost concepts of yourselves; as if should he turn out to be someone else, the sun would go out in your worlds.

You're desperate. So desperate for this to happen.

And I'm laughing. :) Carry on, this is pretty amusing. :up:

[TheCardPlayer]

Honestly people...Is there a faint glimmer of hope that he may not be Venom or did my favorite comic book character of all time, just got raped?

[Symbiotica]

There is indeed a faint glimmer of hope he is not Venom. Just a wee one.

Its the only reason some of us are still here.

[TheVileOne]

Well if it is true, I will roll out the red carpet for your exit.

[Pagrebo]

There is indeed a faint glimmer of hope he is not Venom. Just a wee one.

Its the only reason some of us are still here.

I have just changed my vote. I AM NOW 100%, UNEQUIVOCABLY, WITHOUT RESERVATION HOPING AND PRAYING THAT TG IS VENOM!!!:eek:

[War Lord]

First time looking at some of those pics... i have to say (just as everyone else has said before) what on earth were they thinking with this casting decision... the only way to do venom now is completely CGI... no one is putting on 15-20 pounds of bulk in 9 months... unless he goes the Barroid Bonds route... i think we are going to get some Hulk variation of Venom.... lets just hope the technology they got isn't a bit premature...

With the proper calorie intake and nutrition, as well as the right training, gaining 30 lbs of muscle isn't impossible within a year. It gets harder as you approach your own personal limit, but it's not impossible.

[War Lord]

Not just talking about weight... but muscles... it's not ez to develope a chest in that span... unless you hit the gym 4 times a week... good diet, etc... it's possible... my brother was a scrawny ass mo fo and then became the Hulk overnight it seemed... with protein shakes and constant work out... but realistically it takes a year and a half to get decent... and obviously Topher has his work cut out for him... we aren't just talking about the average guy in the gym anyway though... Brock is supposed to be a built guy... not the average dude you see benching 150 tops in the gym... by the way... when is that 70's finale airing?

Topher has the advantage of the best personal trainer, nutritionist, and coach that Hollywood money can buy. Their job is to get results and they will.

[Symbiotica]

I have just changed my vote. I AM NOW 100%, UNEQUIVOCABLY, WITHOUT RESERVATION HOPING AND PRAYING THAT TG IS VENOM!!!:eek:

Oh, bite me.

Just for that, if he is I'm not leaving. I will never leave as long as I can get to so many people, with so little of an effort.

I'm happy to be your wolf in wolves' clothing. I haven't seen a place so full of "If you don't agree with me, I don't like you" since freakin' when...? first grade? Sheesh! I am glad I trouble you; I hope the mere idea of me gives you nightmares. God forbid someone have a differing opinion, no matter how well-put: IT IS NOT ALLOWED!

You think I need your approval? You think I care what you think? If I did, I'd be a little sheep like the majority of the forum, only daring to speak when I am in agreement with the herd. Find the red badge of courage, here? Not a chance! Ooooo, that might make you unpopular. Perish the thought!

Like running with the herd gets you anywhere in life, but forgotten.

Bite me, Raimi sycophant. You are not one of my kind.

[Pagrebo]

Oh, bite me.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!(or something like that)


Just for that, if he is I'm not leaving. I will never leave as long as I can get to so many people, with so little of an effort.

I personally am glad you're not leaving. I enjoy discussing with people of all opinions.

I'm happy to be your wolf in wolves' clothing. I haven't seen a place so full of "If you don't agree with me, I don't like you" since freakin' when...? first grade?

And first grade is the last time I had someone use the term "bite me" with me.

Sheesh! I am glad I trouble you; I hope the mere idea of me gives you nightmares.

You don't trouble me, however, I do believe you may be a troubled individual. And I can't remember the last time I had a nightmare... but if I do, and you're the star, I'll let you know.

God forbid someone have a differing opinion, no matter how well-put: IT IS NOT ALLOWED!

Unfortunately, many times--not always-- your opinion(whether it differs from mine or not) is not well-put. It is often based on emotionalism and lacking in logic, fact, and open-mindedness. Nevertheless, I support your right to have your opinion.

Bite me, Raimi sycophant

Hmm, I've both supported as well as critiqued many of Raimi's actions as director of the SM movies, so I don't think your description fits. But if you insist, I prefer the term "ass kisser":) .

Now run along and play with your friends. Recess is almost over, and I haven't the time nor the inclination to continue to school you tonight.

Aloha!

[Pagrebo]

Oh my, you edited your post. I was so hoping to close up shop for the night, but I really must, in all fairness, address each of your concerns.
You think I need your approval? You think I care what you think?
OK. No I never thought you needed my approval. Apparently, however, you do care what I think, otherwise you wouldn't be going off on a tangent like this.
If I did, I'd be a little sheep like the majority of the forum, only daring to speak when I am in agreement with the herd. Find the red badge of courage, here? Not a chance! Ooooo, that might make you unpopular. Perish the thought!
There is nothing wrong with being either with the majority or the minority. I just hope you're not basing all of your posts on some need you have to be seen as rebellious. Everyone on these boards comes from different places and cultures from around the world, and (with very few exceptions) we will never actually meet, so I doubt that popularity holds that much importance. I could be wrong on this, but as for me, my self worth is not linked in any way, shape or form to anyone's opinion of me... least of all those on these boards.
Like running with the herd gets you anywhere in life, but forgotten.
Watch Animal Planet or something, and see what happens to those that stray too far from the herd... they usually become supper.
You are not one of my kind
And damn proud of it!:)

[Symbiotica]

And first grade is the last time I had someone use the term "bite me" with me.

The other terms would get me banned; this is as harsh as it gets. Sorry.

You don't trouble me, however, I do believe you may be a troubled individual.

OMG, Freud is posting here from beyond the grave! Outstanding! :up:

Unfortunately, many times--not always-- your opinion(whether it differs from mine or not) is not well-put. It is often based on emotionalism and lacking in logic, fact, and open-mindedness.

If only saying that made it true! However unfortunately for you, I can unequivocably state that your posts are often lacking in that most basic of components: common-sense, much less "logic, fact, and openmindedness." I think I see a little "emotionalism" here too...

I've never claimed to be "open-minded," and therefore that's a non-sequiter. You waste your time when you try to play the political-correctness card with me.

Watch Animal Planet or something, and sees what happens to those that stray too far from the herd... they usually become supper.

LOL! "Stay mediocre! If you don't, you risk getting eaten!"

You zebra, me well-armed predator. You stay safe in your little herd, now.... because if you think for yourself, I might GETCHA! LOL this is sad, really.

Now run along and play with your friends. Recess is almost over, and I haven't the time nor the inclination to continue to school you tonight.

Is that a conclusion or simply the place where you got tired of thinking? In closing I must quote my symbiotic Hype brother [he knows well who he is], whose sentiments in a past post sum your message up too well not to use:

"Your post is a tedious, homogenised, chameleon-esque scribble which amounts to nothing more than the demented cacophonous racket of a drugged lunatic banging loudly on kitchen pots and pans. I see alot of this all over the hype, but it keeps happening over and over like an undying creature who will not quit."

Take a bow, exit stage left. Thanks for playing!

[GreenMamba]

You're in for a loooooooooooooooong wait then ;)

That's what I was hoping for.

Sure you would

Naw, not really.

Translation: I can't think of anything to counter argue,so I'm just going to insult you again like I did in my previous post.

Counter argue what? What am I supposed to be countering? I never said I was against the point you are trying to make (I actually agree with you). All I was saying was the way you convey it is in a very snide "I'm right, you're wrong, and the fact that you disagree with me makes you a flaming idiot, even though the subject matter is more subjective than I let on."

Maybe when you've been around here long enough, you'll realize why some of these things are being said; it is because some of us are extremely familiar with the person saying them and his tactics

Excuse me for thinking holding a grudge was below the people of this board.

which btw, have had us laughing for years.

No freaking comment.

Unless, that is, you're actually someone known posting under a "stealth" nickname. We get a lot of that, you certainly wouldn't be the first.

Nope, I'm just me.

I notice you are trying to take Ock to task for 'ad hominems' yet manage not to chastise the other participant in the conversation. Hmmmm.

Kindly point the fallacies out for me, and I'll be glad to chastise.

[TheSlag]

Anybody know when the finale of the 70's show is scheduled? The one with Topher? Date?

[The Joker]

Just saying, you said he had resemblance of Wolverine. And off-set he really doesn't. He's tall and wiry. Short hair. Australian accent. Upbeat attitude. Wolverine...short, scrappy, irritable, hairy, and scruffy.

Ok you can scrap the attitude,hair and accent thing for starters.No actor is going to be going around with Wolverine's hair or his attitude.

Second loads of actors hide their real accents in their performances.Alfred Molina for one.He's british.

So all Jackman needed was a little meat on his bones,a wig and facial hair,and hey presto you have instant Wolverine.

Topher not only has no buffing from recent pics we've seen.but his little blonde dye job has done NOTHING to make him look like Brock.Simple as that.

Well they made some British TV actor, Andy Serkis, a regular, average sized guy into a small, gangly, drooling monster didn't they?

Who??

Also, I was just saying, studio executives, sounded the same way you do in their opposition of DeNiro as Capone. They didn't really seem to care for his caliber.

First of all,Grace isn't even in DeNiro's league.Not even close.Second,the character of Al Capone is vastly different to Venom.Not to mention Capone is not a beefed up mass of intimidation.Brock/Venom is.Grace is not.Not even close.

My glasses are clear, not rose colored.

It deviates more than several areas. And there is nothing wrong with that.

There's nothing wrong with it for YOU.Not everyone likes the changes,and thus will complain about them.There's people over in the X-3 forums who like the changes being made there,but I see you still kicking up a stink over it,simply because it conflicts with what you like.

And so the debates will rage on :)

I don't see flaws being criticized. I just see incessant nitpicking.

Of course you don't see it,the rose coloured glasses are obscuring your vision.It's either high praise for every aspect of these movies,or people are just nitpicking haters as far as you're concerned.


Counter argue what? What am I supposed to be countering? I never said I was against the point you are trying to make (I actually agree with you).

Ok,apologies,my bad for misinterpreting that.

All I was saying was the way you convey it is in a very snide "I'm right, you're wrong, and the fact that you disagree with me makes you a flaming idiot, even though the subject matter is more subjective than I let on."

Let me explain something to you.Anything I have said in this thread regarding the topic,I have backed up with actual comic evidence and other pics.

I often use the terms "IMO" when expressing my distaste of Topher as Venom.I can dig up these posts if you wish.

When I turned "snide" it was in response to snideness first directed at ME when TheVileOne called me and others annoying fanboys.You see snideness is the only way he can argue.He's that bad at it that it got him a lengthy stint on probation once.Hop over to the X-Men 3 forums,he's at it over there too.I saw moderator intervention too there today because of it.That's his way.

You want to see deliberate snide and rude remarks?? Here it is:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8236962&postcount=518

People like that,not only contribute nothing to the debate,but deliberately try to stoke the flames of an arguement.

If you're going to chastise anyone for being snide,direct it at people like that who deserve it.

[Cmill216]

*reading over the last page of retorts*

NOW TRANSITIONING BACK TO THE TOPIC OF RECENT PICTURES OF TOPHER GRACE

Thank you.

[fangrl06]

Anybody know when the finale of the 70's show is scheduled? The one with Topher? Date?
I thought that show was over??

[Cmill216]

Anybody know when the finale of the 70's show is scheduled? The one with Topher? Date?

Its final episode will air on May 18, 2006, the show's 200th episode total, ending the run at eight seasons.

[TheVileOne]

Ok you can scrap the attitude,hair and accent thing for starters.No actor is going to be going around with Wolverine's hair or his attitude.

Second loads of actors hide their real accents in their performances.Alfred Molina for one.He's british.

Off-set, he still doesn't resemble Wolverine.

So all Jackman needed was a little meat on his bones,a wig and facial hair,and hey presto you have instant Wolverine.

Topher not only has no buffing from recent pics we've seen.but his little blonde dye job has done NOTHING to make him look like Brock.Simple as that.


He looks bigger than he did in early years of That 70's Show and even that crappy Tad Hamilton movie.


Who??


Gollum in Lord of The Rings? You might've heard of it.

First of all,Grace isn't even in DeNiro's league.Not even close.Second,the character of Al Capone is vastly different to Venom.Not to mention Capone is not a beefed up mass of intimidation.Brock/Venom is.Grace is not.Not even close.

Who knows, maybe he will be some day. And Al Capone is indeed a beefed up mass of intimidation. He was a BIG GUY and that's part of why studio executives didn't believe DeNiro could play the role.


Of course you don't see it,the rose coloured glasses are obscuring your vision.It's either high praise for every aspect of these movies,or people are just nitpicking haters as far as you're concerned.


Maybe my glasses aren't rose colored, and yours are just so thick and completely black so you can't see anything at all.

[Symbiotica]

All of you currently over in the X-3 forum weeping, whining and wailing about changes to continuity in that movie, but over *here* saying others do not have the right to feel the same way about changes to Spidey continuity, guess what:

You just invalidated your entire argument, and more, you just made a fool out of yourself. :up:

Its a zero-sum proposition, folks - you don't get to complain in other forums, and then come over here whining about people complaining. Nope. Sorry. Not valid.

I for one hope they kill Cyclops deader than Jacob Marley, just to rub your inconsistencies in a little deeper. LOL! Outstanding use of logic, geniuses. :)

p.s. the mere idea of comparing Grace to Deniro makes me want to laugh myself into cardiac arrest. Brilliant comparison! And who says this forum isn't funny?!

[The Joker]

Off-set, he still doesn't resemble Wolverine.

That's because he doesn't have the wig and facial hair.

Topher's walking around with his blonde hair and looks nothing like Brock.Tell me what is he going to wear that's going to make him look like Brock??

He looks bigger than he did in early years of That 70's Show and even that crappy Tad Hamilton movie.

That's not saying much.He was as thin as a wire in those.

Gollum in Lord of The Rings? You might've heard of it.

Gollum was CGI.Eddie Brock will be a real person.

Who knows, maybe he will be some day. And Al Capone is indeed a beefed up mass of intimidation. He was a BIG GUY and that's part of why studio executives didn't believe DeNiro could play the role.

I'm sorry but there's a difference between this:

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t040/T040647A.jpg


And this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Venom_uk/Eddie06.jpg


Maybe my glasses aren't rose colored, and yours are just so thick and completely black so you can't see anything at all.

Afraid not,I'm not so blinded that I can't see genuine flaws staring me in the face.

[TheCardPlayer]

Why? Why did Raimi cast Grace as Brock?

Why did he screw up that bad? Does he hates Venom so much?

[adzmullz1]

y'all have probably seen this pic , ah well........i still think im special , and thats all that counts!

http://static.flickr.com/22/34516877_16800cd71f_m.jpg

[ProjectPat2280]

Dont you think its a bit pointless to still be ******ing about how much you hate Topher Grace?? I mean, if the guy is Brock, you might as well learn to cope. You are gonna see the movie regardless, so to make the movie a little more enjoyable, dont ya think you need to just..... let it go??

[supermarvelman]

Well look at Juggernaut in the movie and compare him to Juggernaut in the comics. Much smaller, if they wanted Juggs in the movie to look more like Juggs from the comic they would've had to made him as big as the Hulk from the Hulk movie with CGI. I personally dont think Topher will be Brock but if he is, it would be cool to see the suit give him the bulk, such a scarwny guy transforming into this muscular beast, the suit has the power. Maybe the suit will reflect how the person feels inside, probably why if Pete gets it he wont be some bulky version of himself, and because of Brocks rage towards Peter thats why he becomes such a beast.

Nice mullet by the way.

[Frenzy]

Topher is Brock - we'll find out soon.

[Advanced Dark]

Dont you think its a bit pointless to still be ******ing about how much you hate Topher Grace?? I mean, if the guy is Brock, you might as well learn to cope. You are gonna see the movie regardless, so to make the movie a little more enjoyable, dont ya think you need to just..... let it go??

:up:

[supermarvelman]

I'm sure he is but Venom will not be the actual villian in this movie, they'll just take care of his origin in this movie.

[Frenzy]

I'm sure he is but Venom will not be the actual villian in this movie, they'll just take care of his origin in this movie.

I'd settle for that :spidey:

[fangrl06]

y'all have probably seen this pic , ah well........i still think im special , and thats all that counts!

http://static.flickr.com/22/34516877_16800cd71f_m.jpg
I'm really starting to believe in the possibility that he is electro.

[TheCardPlayer]

I'm really starting to believe in the possibility that he is electro.Black Suit.

[supermarvelman]

Electro and Sandman would be great, I still dont see why he couldn't be one of the many Hobgoblins.

[TheCardPlayer]

Electro and Sandman would be great, I still dont see why he couldn't be one of the many Hobgoblins.Black Suit.

[fangrl06]

Black Suit.
point being?

[TheCardPlayer]

point being?Black Suit =Electro? or Black Suit= Venom?

[War Lord]

point being?

The black suit is not just some cosmetic change. Because the picture of the black suit is an official release from Sony, it can only be because Raimi is incorporating the Venom storyline into the movie.

[Sean Adisano]

Black Suit =Electro? or Black Suit= Venom?

i'm thinking the latter.

[TheCardPlayer]

i'm thinking the latter.Exactly. Yet many people seems to believe it's a clever play on words....A black suit as in tuxedo...But...


http://www.marvel.com/news/moviestories.229

This link says that Spidey's red suit turns black.



And honestly people, black suit = Venom.

Live with it or watch something else.

[fangrl06]

Black Suit =Electro? or Black Suit= Venom?
No really, you think? All I was getting at is just because SM is going to wear a black suit, doesn't mean venom is in this movie. What could happen is Sandman and Electro could be in this one (while Harry slowlly descends into madness) and the next one could be Venom and GG2.

[Sean Adisano]

No really, you think? All I was getting at is just because SM is going to wear a black suit, doesn't mean venom is in this movie. What could happen is Sandman and Electro could be in this one (while Harry slowlly descends into madness) and the next one could be Venom and GG2.

harry is definitely gg2 in this movie, its his time.

[supermarvelman]

Pete will probanly have to use the symiote to take down Sandman & Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, or Electro.

Especially if it was Sandman and Electro.

They seem like they fit together the best cause Spideys powers really have no effect on either of them.

[fangrl06]

Pete will probanly have to use the symiote to take down Sandman & Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, or Electro.

Especially if it was Sandman and Electro.

They seem like they fit together the best cause Spideys powers really have no effect on either of them.
Yup. And when lightning strikes sand you get...

[supermarvelman]

I dont know what do you get?

[Sean Adisano]

Exactly. Yet many people seems to believe it's a clever play on words....A black suit as in tuxedo...But...


http://www.marvel.com/news/moviestories.229

This link says that Spidey's red suit turns black.



And honestly people, black suit = Venom.

Live with it or watch something else.

*clicking of the remote control* ooooo, theres nothing on :(

uhhh, back to the topic...
why would they go into spidey having his black suite, and not have venom in the story, eventually(not to say he's in this movie because we don't really know), but we do know he's coming into this story because the black suite goes hand and hand with venom. would be completely stupid to even think about black suite and no venom.

TheCardPlayer, keep on truckin, your doing great with your beautiful words :D :up:

[War Lord]

harry is definitely gg2 in this movie, its his time.

It will be definitely Harry's movie, he's the main man. Sandman is just to round it out and they are only introducing Venom.

[Sean Adisano]

Yup. And when lightning strikes sand you get...

i'm not sure, crystals, a hot dog, what... help us out here :confused:

[supermarvelman]

No really, you think? All I was getting at is just because SM is going to wear a black suit, doesn't mean venom is in this movie. What could happen is Sandman and Electro could be in this one (while Harry slowlly descends into madness) and the next one could be Venom and GG2.

Thats kinda what i'm thinking, it would be way to obvious to Pete if GG appeared again. Pete would be like hmm i wonder who that is, what a nail biter.

Thats why I've suggested that Topher could possibly be Hobgoblin.

[Sean Adisano]

It will be definitely Harry's movie, he's the main man. Sandman is just to round it out and they are only introducing Venom.

i wish i could shake your hand, nicely put my man :up:

[fangrl06]

It will be definitely Harry's movie, he's the main man. Sandman is just to round it out and they are only introducing Venom.
my train of thought exactly...

[Sean Adisano]

Thats kinda what i'm thinking, it would be way to obvious to Pete if GG appeared again. Pete would be like hmm i wonder who that is, what a nail biter.

Thats why I've suggested that Topher could possibly be Hobgoblin.

i'm pretty sure harry is going to change the gg costume, remember at the end of spidey two when he finds the mask and serum and gliders and all, he doesn't find the body suite, he'll have to make his own. i'm sensing a new modified costume.

[Cmill216]

Thats kinda what i'm thinking, it would be way to obvious to Pete if GG appeared again. Pete would be like hmm i wonder who that is, what a nail biter.

Thats why I've suggested that Topher could possibly be Hobgoblin.

And let me ask you something: What's the payoff of Topher's character being the Goblin and not Harry?

[supermarvelman]

*clicking of the remote control* ooooo, theres nothing on :(

uhhh, back to the topic...
why would they go into spidey having his black suite, and not have venom in the story, eventually(not to say he's in this movie because we don't really know), but we do know he's coming into this story because the black suite goes hand and hand with venom. would be completely stupid to even think about black suite and no venom.

TheCardPlayer, keep on truckin, your doing great with your beautiful words :D :up:

So they dont have to use time in movie 4 to introduce the symbiote, but intro Brock in part 4. Also i would want them to use the whole movie to show Pete's slow transformation into a darker version of himself ultimatly getting rid of it somehow leaving things open for the next one. Like they did with the GG suit at the end of 2.

[fangrl06]

i'm pretty sure harry is going to change the gg costume, remember at the end of spidey two when he finds the mask and serum and gliders and all, he doesn't find the body suite, he'll have to make his own. i'm sensing a new modified costume.
Hmm...I never thought of that before...good idea.

[supermarvelman]

The payoff would be introducing another character into the world of Spider-man. Plus making Harry look like he the innocent one gaining Petes trust by having someone else sport the Goblin costume and having Harry play puppet master setting things up in the shadows. So he could make a full fledged return in part 5 or something.

[War Lord]

So they dont have to use time in movie 4 to introduce the symbiote, but intro Brock in part 4. Also i would want them to use the whole movie to show Pete's slow transformation into a darker version of himself ultimatly getting rid of it somehow leaving things open for the next one. Like they did with the GG suit at the end of 2.

Exactly and show how Brock, coming from a similar income class and life as Peter did, but making different choices that cause his life to go downhill and develop an absolute hate for Peter, creating the perfect Anti-Spiderman.

[supermarvelman]

i'm pretty sure harry is going to change the gg costume, remember at the end of spidey two when he finds the mask and serum and gliders and all, he doesn't find the body suite, he'll have to make his own. i'm sensing a new modified costume.

Change it and have someone else do the dirty work.

[fangrl06]

The payoff would be introducing another character into the world of Spider-man. Plus making Harry look like he the innocent one gaining Petes trust by having someone else sport the Goblin costume and having Harry play puppet master setting things up in the shadows. So he could make a full fledged return in part 5 or something.
Well, Harry was always a coward but I don't think he'd ever do that.

[War Lord]

Change it and have someone else do the dirty work.

doubtful. Remember, it was confirmed that the movie would be a 2.5 villain feature. I think the 0.5 villain is to introduce the next villain for the next movie and that implies Venom.

[Cmill216]

The payoff would be introducing another character into the world of Spider-man. Plus making Harry look like he the innocent one gaining Petes trust by having someone else sport the Goblin costume and having Harry play puppet master setting things up in the shadows. So he could make a full fledged return in part 5 or something.

Harry not directly fullfilling his father's legacy is a payoff? Introducing another character is a payoff? :down

Three films with Goblins in them? :down

Franco returning to be the GG in "full fledged" form in SM5 after he has stated clearly that this will be the last film for his character? :down

[supermarvelman]

I say i Harry doesnt return as GG2 until 5, because if its Hobgoblin this time and not Harry, it would easier for Pete to trust him again, then have Harry gain more trust in part 4 with no mention of any Goblin then he strikes in part 5

[fangrl06]

Harry not directly fullfilling his father's legacy is a payoff? Introducing another character is a payoff? :down

Three films with Goblins in them? :down

Franco returning to be the GG in "full fledged" form in SM5 after he has stated clearly that this will be the last film for his character? :down
Harry's gonna die...
*tear*
Damn, I promised myself I wouldn't cry...

[supermarvelman]

Harry not directly fullfilling his father's legacy is a payoff? Introducing another character is a payoff? :down

Three films with Goblins in them? :down

Franco returning to be the GG in "full fledged" form in SM5 after he has stated clearly that this will be the last film for his character? :down

Harry's always been a disappointment in Normans eyes, he never fullfill his fathers legacy.

[supermarvelman]

Goblin could be in all the movies, he's like spideys Lex Luthor

[War Lord]

Harry's always been a disappointment in Normans eyes, he never fullfill his fathers legacy.

That doesn't mean he's going to completely fulfill it here either. Underneath GG2, there will probably be a heart.

[Cmill216]

I say i Harry doesnt return as GG2 until 5, because if its Hobgoblin this time and not Harry, it would easier for Pete to trust him again, then have Harry gain more trust in part 4 with no mention of any Goblin then he strikes in part 5

I understand where you are coming from (and your theory isn't awful), but if you look up the phrase "unnecessary dragging out" in the encyclopedia, you'll see your idea. :D

Again, dude, this is Harry's last film. Franco's not coming back. The Goblin Legacy ends here, once and for all.

[supermarvelman]

That doesn't mean he's going to completely fulfill it here either. Underneath GG2, there will probably be a heart.

Exactly that might be why he doesnt want to be the one to kill his good friend Peter, Cause he knows Petes the one behind the mask.

[supermarvelman]

I understand where you are coming from (and your theory isn't awful), but if you look up the phrase "unnecessary dragging out" in the encyclopedia, you'll see your idea. :D

Again, dude, this is Harry's last film. Franco's not coming back. The Goblin Legacy ends here, once and for all.

Well hpefully it does, but in my opinion its not gonna end here.

[Cmill216]

Goblin could be in all the movies, he's like spideys Lex Luthor

*scratching head*

Huh? What about Spidey's legendary villains like Doc Ock and the Kingpin? As much as I love the Goblins, either of the villains I named could be considered "Spidey's Lex Luthor". But the fact is that Spidey doesn't have a Lex Luthor. He's not gay like Supes. :p

[War Lord]

Exactly that might be why he doesnt want to be the one to kill his good friend Peter, Cause he knows Petes the one behind the mask.

The actual plot is still speculation, but I can imagine Harry, as GG2, sacrificing himself to save MJ from Sandman or something.

[Sean Adisano]

I say i Harry doesnt return as GG2 until 5, because if its Hobgoblin this time and not Harry, it would easier for Pete to trust him again, then have Harry gain more trust in part 4 with no mention of any Goblin then he strikes in part 5

thats just stretching the whole harry gg2 thing too long. this is his movie to strike.

[Sean Adisano]

The actual plot is still speculation, but I can imagine Harry, as GG2, sacrificing himself to save MJ from Sandman or something.

i see him sacrificing himself, but to save peter.

[War Lord]

i see him sacrificing himself, but to save peter.

Either way is acceptable and plausible.

[Sean Adisano]

*scratching head*

Huh? What about Spidey's legendary villains like Doc Ock and the Kingpin? As much as I love the Goblins, either of the villains I named could be considered "Spidey's Lex Luthor". But the fact is that Spidey doesn't have a Lex Luthor. He's not gay like Supes. :p

SUPERMAN IS GAY IN ALL THINGS!!!!!

[Cmill216]

The actual plot is still speculation, but I can imagine Harry, as GG2, sacrificing himself to save MJ from Sandman or something.

I can see GG2 sacrificing himself for someone. And the GG2 will kinda more than likely be Harry.

[Sean Adisano]

Either way is acceptable and plausible.

exactly :up: :)

[supermarvelman]

Goblin killed Gwen, he is Spidey's main villian

He is Spidey's Joker

He is Spidey's Doom

[Sean Adisano]

I can see GG2 sacrificing himself for someone. And the GG2 will kinda more than likely be Harry.

kinda more than likely be harry? it is harry, and if its not, i'm going to slap raimi right in the face. i'll walk right to sony's door's, knock, wait for them to answer, make an appointment to meet with raimi, leave and then come back for my appointment, and then just slap him in the face.

[Sean Adisano]

Goblin killed Gwen, he is Spidey's main villian

He is Spidey's Joker

He is Spidey's Doom

but in the movies spidey doesn't really have a main villian if you ask me. none of the villians have brought any real harm to the ones peter loves. unless harry changes all that in this one.

[Cmill216]

Goblin killed Gwen, he is Spidey's main villian

He is Spidey's Joker

He is Spidey's Doom

I'm not arguing the Goblin's significance. He is significant. But to say that every Spidey film needs the Goblin because Spidey and The Goblin go hand and hand? The Goblin's role in the comics is significant, but not "Lex Luthor is to Superman" significant. Spidey has his fairshare of significant adversaries. Doc Ock & Venom to name a few.

[Cmill216]

kinda more than likely be harry? it is harry, and if its not, i'm going to slap raimi right in the face. i'll walk right to sony's door's, knock, wait for them to answer, make an appointment to meet with raimi, leave and then come back for my appointment, and then just slap him in the face.

I was being sarcastic.

[TheVileOne]

That's because he doesn't have the wig and facial hair.

Topher's walking around with his blonde hair and looks nothing like Brock.Tell me what is he going to wear that's going to make him look like Brock??


I don't know, you obviously haven't seen any pictures of Grace as Brock.

Gollum was CGI.Eddie Brock will be a real person.

The point of comparison was turning a COMEDY TV ACTOR into a "drooling, symbiotic monster." This is not a hard thing to do in big budget filmmaking. As evidenced by turning someone like Andy Serkis who doesn't look like Gollum at all into Gollum.



I'm sorry but there's a difference between this:

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t040/T040647A.jpg


And this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Venom_uk/Eddie06.jpg



The biggest difference I see is that one is an actual photograph of a REAL human being, and another is a comic book illustration.

[Sean Adisano]

I was being sarcastic.

oh i know, thats why i added my little joke at the end...you didn't get it, no one did :(

[Dew k. Mosi]

just make sure to keep it civil, children

[War Lord]

just make sure to keep it civil, children

Why is it that whenever I see Dew's name as last post, I immediately check to see if the thread is closed?

[Maxime]

I'm not sure if this picture has been posted before. It's new to me so here it is.

http://tophergracefan.com/pictures/events/guccishow2005/gu03.jpg

[Quentin Beck]

I haven't seen it! :eek: thanks! :)

[Cmill216]

He looks like he's filled out a lot.

[TheCardPlayer]

Either that's a big suit, or that's a damn big Topher Grace!

[Britboy]

He's looking good......
He certainly has the face of a very good villain....that cold stare and unpredictibility.....

Lets go Topher!

[not_a_victim]

Two things:
His face is filled out a little more than we usually see, and yes, I am taking the beard out of the equation, and just using the face.
Most importantly, his face is filled out, but the muscles of his neck are quite visible. You would have to have some decent muscle under your fat/skin to have that combination. I'm not saying he is a Ronnie Colman, just saying he is bigger than we have seen in the past.

[Frenzy]

I've seen more meat on a Butchers pencil :) than on Topher Grace ;)

[Cmill216]

I'm not sure if this picture has been posted before. It's new to me so here it is.

http://tophergracefan.com/pictures/events/guccishow2005/gu03.jpg

This pic was taken back on November 16. I haven't seen it before, though.

[str8raz0r]

This pic was taken back on November 16. I haven't seen it before, though.

It looks like that coat is straining at the button, which is a good thing.

He may not be the hulking brute Eddie Brock of the comics, but it shows that he'll be at least as muscular as Tobey, if not a little more.

[Symbiotica]

... none of you know anything [besides the fact that Gopher here has a lousy tailor, judging from the picture above] until you see a picture without a coat and dress-shirt; to say otherwise is outright fantasy.

p.s. that muscle visible in his neck, the sternocleidomastoid muscle, is visible in EVERYONE who is not extremely fat. Its visible in you right now - go find a mirror.

It proves nothing.

[Syncos]

Well, I must admit I was very much skeptical about Grace as Brock. I still am. However, I found a picture of grace that immediately reminded me of a picture of brock. I tweaked it a bit. Drew brocks hair on grace really quick for reference sake. But look at his eyes, his face. He has the madman look. He may be able to pull it off.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/272/toperbrock2qr.jpg

[Daredevil886]

Well, I must admit I was very much skeptical about Grace as Brock. I still am. However, I found a picture of grace that immediately reminded me of a picture of brock. I tweaked it a bit. Drew brocks hair on grace really quick for reference sake. But look at his eyes, his face. He has the madman look. He may be able to pull it off.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/272/toperbrock2qr.jpg

In a weird way, that pic is actually really convincing.
I dunno, i think having Topher play venom (if he is) would be intresting, seeing as how he parallels Toby so well. Correct me if i'm wrong, but venom mimicks spiderman in a sense.. having him resemble him a little more could make it that much more intresting.. or maybe i'm just talking out of my arse.

[SsM]

I've already stated that I dont mind Topher as Brock.. If he were to be Brock.

[Symbiotica]

Well, I must admit I was very much skeptical about Grace as Brock. I still am. However, I found a picture of grace that immediately reminded me of a picture of brock. I tweaked it a bit. Drew brocks hair on grace really quick for reference sake. But look at his eyes, his face. He has the madman look. He may be able to pull it off.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/272/toperbrock2qr.jpg

.... I dunno what mind-altering substances some of you are on, that you see a resemblance between this photo and that artwork, but hey whatever.

I used to think De Nial was a river that runs through Egypt... until I came to this forum, anyways. :) Seriously, I could paste Dan Rather in there and there would be as much of a resemblance.

Where is this "madman look"? He looks like he's zoned out on Zoloft to me; but plainly I know nothing. LOL!

[War Lord]

Well, I must admit I was very much skeptical about Grace as Brock. I still am. However, I found a picture of grace that immediately reminded me of a picture of brock. I tweaked it a bit. Drew brocks hair on grace really quick for reference sake. But look at his eyes, his face. He has the madman look. He may be able to pull it off.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/272/toperbrock2qr.jpg

I kinda see a closer resemblance between

Topher http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/272/toperbrock2qr.jpg and Herman http://www.timvp.com/munsters7.jpg

[Nebins]

I think Topher could play a great Brock and although Venom is huge he will probably be all CG anyway so I don't see a problem.

[Pagrebo]

... none of you know anything [besides the fact that Gopher here has a lousy tailor, judging from the picture above] until you see a picture without a coat and dress-shirt; to say otherwise is outright fantasy. It proves nothing.
Agreed. It neither proves that he HAS bulked up, nor does it prove that he HASN'T. So whatever anyone says, it's not "outright fantasy", it's just peoples opinions. To that they are entitled.
.... I dunno what mind-altering substances some of you are on, that you see a resemblance between this photo and that artwork, but hey whatever.
Why can't people just have a differing opinion without being accused of being under the control of outside influences(...or worse, in some cases)? Some see a resemblance, others do not(myself included). Why is there a need to denigrate others opinions?
but plainly I know nothing
Not true. You plainly know as much as the rest of us as it pertains to this movie... which is to say, not a whole lot. Opinions are (almost) all we have at this point. All of us.:)

[Jubba]

why manip the picture, he actually HAS blonde hair as of earlier this year:

http://tophergracefan.com/pictures/awards/goldenglobes2006/06gg09.jpg

though it looks like the only one bulking up has been john voigt...maybe he plays venom after topher changes and james earl jones can do the voiceover

[Retroman]

UPDATE
New pics courtesy of Getty Images of Topher Grace taken 2 days ago - on April 5, 2006!


http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1561/572638371mb.jpghttp://img456.imageshack.us/img456/5625/572638381kk.jpg
Actor Topher Grace attends the Sienna Los Angeles store opening on April 5, 2006 in Los Angeles, California.


Images courtesy of Mark Mainz/Getty Images

[SpiderB]

I really hope the beard is for the character and not just something he's grown during a hiatus.

[dr venture]

what does his shirt say sign my duties as what?

[TheCardPlayer]

Still looks skinny.

[liesse00]

His beard really sticks out especially in the close up picture.

[DroolingforGwen]

The guy is a pencil.... not classic comic book Brock... he might be a good fit for his personality but he still looks pretty scrawny... of all the guys out there... why him??? We'll find out in a year, but I like the rest of us will be skeptical until further notice...

[E.Brock]

still not big enough

[E.Brock]

but im coming to except him even though he will NEVER be eddie brock but im excepting him but.....this sucks

[DroolingforGwen]

By the way... the filming is going to wrap up in a few months so drop the talk that he can make up the pounds... unless he takes some pills....

[Nebins]

Well why should we expect him to be exactly like the comics? GG wasn't exactly like the comic and Ock wasn't either. We need to think of the movies as a different universe. Like the Ultimate universe is a different version of the characters than the main Marvel U.

[dr venture]

By the way... the filming is going to wrap up in a few months so drop the talk that he can make up the pounds... unless he takes some pills....

he's gonna start hanging out with barry bonds

[8Ball2/JanG5]

He's got a lazy eye.

non facial symmetry is always used in hollywood to mean evil.

[lordofthenerds]

He shrunk from that November pic. :(

[DroolingforGwen]

the november pick only looks decent because that suit makes it appear as though he has broad shoulders, plus his head is leaning forward to make his neck look bigger... i just guess we have to accept him for what he is....

[spideydave]

Its not about what Topher Grace has done in the past as an actor it's all about what he can do NOW. You guys forget he's a character actor. ;)

[Boom]

UPDATE
New pics courtesy of Getty Images of Topher Grace taken 2 days ago - on April 5, 2006!


http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1561/572638371mb.jpghttp://img456.imageshack.us/img456/5625/572638381kk.jpg
Actor Topher Grace attends the Sienna Los Angeles store opening on April 5, 2006 in Los Angeles, California.


Images courtesy of Mark Mainz/Getty Images
Two days ago? They're in the middle of filming aren't they?

Does this mean he has a beard in the movie :confused:?

[dr venture]

^ it would seem so

[Robin91939]

Two days ago? They're in the middle of filming aren't they?

Does this mean he has a beard in the movie :confused:?
Or he had an off day or two, and didn't shave....it doesn't take a grown man that long to grow a beard like that....plus, I think he looks better with a beard than with out.

-R

[Boom]

Or he had an off day or two, and didn't shave....it doesn't take a grown man that long to grow a beard like that....plus, I think he looks better with a beard than with out.

-R
Oh no, don't get me wrong. I actually think he looks better with it too.

[Star]

honestly, i think that topher would make a good eddie brock/venom, if its done well.

[Mr. Socko]

Wow, he doesn't look like the type that would be playing Venom/Eddie Brock. Well maybe the Ultimate Spider-Man version...

[drunkhomer]

no possible ***in way topher can pull off being buff enough to ply venom....BUT he may ply a good eddie brock..

[War Lord]

no possible ***in way topher can pull off being buff enough to ply venom....BUT he may ply a good eddie brock..

Venom is going to be CGI, for the most part, and so he can be as big as a house.

[black_dust]

Or he had an off day or two, and didn't shave....it doesn't take a grown man that long to grow a beard like that....plus, I think he looks better with a beard than with out.

-R


Bwhaha going one like that would take a week or so! Fair bet he has one in the film

[Shockdingo]

Venom is going to be CGI, for the most part, and so he can be as big as a house.

Speaking of that, remember in the old Sega Arcade Spiderman game where Venom would get huge when you fight him through the levels? First, he's normal on the street after breaking free, then you win and you have to fight him as he gets huge in the apartment areas?

On subject: I'm one of those people who's not 100% thrilled with Topher being Venom(I'm a huge Brock fan too) but I'll live with it, I say give him a chance since it seems we can't change what's already happened, plus people should chill with the personal attacks. Sheesh, he's not to your liking, we all get it, but it's not like he stabbed your dog, chucked it's corpse at your sister's head and threw you naked in to the freezing river while setting your comics on fire and then peeing on said flames.

Plus, the beard looks really good on him. :up:

[str8raz0r]

Bwhaha going one like that would take a week or so! Fair bet he has one in the film

Naw, that's seriously just a few day's stubble. It's not like he's got a Chuck Norris beard going on.

Chances are, he's got a few days off because they're doing stuntwork/scenes without Brock/Leeds/whoever the hell he is.

[black_dust]

Naw, that's seriously just a few day's stubble. It's not like he's got a Chuck Norris beard going on.

Chances are, he's got a few days off because they're doing stuntwork/scenes without Brock/Leeds/whoever the hell he is.
That aint stubble

[Goran]

http://tophergracefan.com/pictures/photoshoot/unknown/fl01.jpg


Ladies and Gentlemen, may I introduce to you: Anakin Skywalker aka Darth Vader... :D :up:

[black_dust]

He looks like Michael Scofield from prison break (Wentworth Miller) in that picture

[Shockdingo]

I gotta agree with Black_Dust, he does look a whole lot like him there.

[Goran]

But with this hood he remembers me of Anakin when he turns evil... :)

[maninthechair]

I can't wait to see a real picture of Venom. I don't think he's going to be huge like in the comics. I think he's going to be a evil version of spiderman

[Cmill216]

I think he's going to be a evil version of spiderman

And that's NOT Venom.

[JokerNick]

yep, Topher is huge............








http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/9008/topher5bi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

[Toxin]

But with this hood he remembers me of Anakin when he turns evil... :)

Strangely, in the fan art section, I had just drawn a mini-comic of Ultimate Eddie Brock turning into Venom wearing a hood like that. :-)

[spideydave]

Well why should we expect him to be exactly like the comics? GG wasn't exactly like the comic and Ock wasn't either. We need to think of the movies as a different universe. Like the Ultimate universe is a different version of the characters than the main Marvel U.

Im sorry everytime I read a comic book featuring GG I hear Williem Dafoe's voice in my head.:O

[maninthechair]

And that's NOT Venom.

Granted that's not Venom, but it may be the movie version of Venom. The movies have been known to take liberties with the comics.... GG's armor, black leather uniforms for the X-Men, organic web shooters... take your pick. Raimi already said he didn't really like Venom. It wouldn't surprise (or disappoint) me he he changed the character a little.

[Cmill216]

Granted that's not Venom, but it may be the movie version of Venom. The movies have been known to take liberties with the comics.... GG's armor, black leather uniforms for the X-Men, organic web shooters... take your pick. Raimi already said he didn't really like Venom. It wouldn't surprise (or disappoint) me he he changed the character a little.

Yeah, but for two of the three you mentioned the changes were made because it would look just plain silly on film. Venom IS bigger than Spider-Man, and changing that is completely tasteless and pointless.

[SpiderB]

I'm sure he will be a little bigger than Spidey, but I seriously doubt they're gonna make him into this big hulking figure like in the comic books, and he shouldn't be. They want the character to be believable. Also, it provides the film with a sense of harmony(visually and storywise), having Venom be a sort of evil version Spidey. Not everything translates well from comics to the film medium. They are very different. Some things have to be changed.

[Galactical]

well said.

[maninthechair]

I'm sure he will be a little bigger than Spidey, but I seriously doubt they're gonna make him into this big hulking figure like in the comic books, and he shouldn't be. They want the character to be believable. Also, it provides the film with a sense of harmony(visually and storywise), having Venom be a sort of evil version Spidey. Not everything translates well from comics to the film medium. They are very different. Some things have to be changed.

Exactly

[Maxime]

By the way, Topher is probably in LA shooting the final episode of That 70's Show. Isnt the final episode airing like on May 18th or something?

[War Party]

By the way, Topher is probably in LA shooting the final episode of That 70's Show. Isnt the final episode airing like on May 18th or something?

He's not filming the last episode. he's done with that show for good. he even broke up with dana in a letter.

[Spider-Grrl1516]

Topher Grace is going to be in the last episode. Your post is the first time I've heard otherwise, War Party.

[War Party]

well the post about him being in it is the first time I heard that.

[Spider-Grrl1516]

Really? That's odd.

[War Party]

I stand corrected. I looked it up and he is indeed appearing in it. I just didn't think he would, because he broke up with dana in the show.

[Spider-Grrl1516]

By the way, not to seem rude, but it's Donna, not Dana.

[War Party]

By the way, not to seem rude, but it's Donna, not Dana.

come on...

[Spider-Grrl1516]

What is that about? I was just giving you a friendly correction.

[War Party]

it's just spelling.

[liesse00]

it's just spelling.

He just corrected you, calm down

[War Party]

He just corrected you, calm down

I am calm. I just didn't see the point in it. "dana", "donna", who cares.

[liesse00]

I am calm. I just didn't see the point in it. "dana", "donna", who cares.

I said calm down!

[War Party]

No!

[str8raz0r]

*sobs* Stop fighting!

Back on track...remember folks, just because Topher's not drastically taller than Tobey doesn't mean it can't work. Michael Clark Duncan stood on risers for a lot of The Green Mile to look even more monstrous than he is.

I don't see why creative camera work, some off-frame props and a little CGI won't make it a more pronounced difference.

Hell, why don't we just wait until the movie and see how it comes out!

Now let's sit in a circle and sing Kumbayah!

[War Party]

I was just messing around friend. No fighting on this side of the screen.

[Frenzy]

yep, Topher is huge............
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/9008/topher5bi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

What the hell is this abomonation - LOL :up: :)

[Johnny Drama]

It's possible he'll get to where you want him to be. Just look at Christian Bale in The Machinist, and look at him in Batman. It took him about 2-3 months to go from 120lbs to 220lbs. Admittedly he didn't do it in the healthiest of ways but he still got there incredibly fast.


Thank you. I could have never thought of a better example.

[str8raz0r]

I was just messing around friend. No fighting on this side of the screen.

I know...we all get a case of the sillies here sometimes.

[Trooper]

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3117/venom7jg.gif

Topher as Venom, i maniped it from this picture over at
http://kre8tivekonceptz.com/venomaa.jpg

[3-UNIT]

That's pretty sweet, and the original shows that Brock doesn't have to be huge like in most of the comics

[Maxime]

Topher clean shaved again.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/QuickSiR/57324405.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/QuickSiR/57324132.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/QuickSiR/57324130.jpg

[str8raz0r]

Topher clean shaved again.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/QuickSiR/57324405.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/QuickSiR/57324132.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/QuickSiR/57324130.jpg

The guy doesn't look half-bad. He may not be comic Brock, but if he can nail the psychological aspects, I might be able to buy it.

If he can do the whole arrogance-covering-a-damaged-man dealy, I think it might work on a different level...as far as the whole Spider-Man without the sense of responsibility and justice that Parker has.

[TheVileOne]

People whore around the In Name Only term so much it no longer has any meaning.

[Spider-Girl™]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/QuickSiR/57324405.jpg


Ok he totally looks like an Eddie Brock there. He doesnt look all big and brooding, but he does look like he can pull it off.

[lordofthenerds]

I still think he should have worked out more, but I can tell his chest is bigger and shoulders are broader.

[Shockdingo]

The guy is improving, awesome :)

[Spiderpig]

I don't think it matters, comic build is always exaggerated. Look at the size of comic/cartoon Peter compared to Tobey.

If he is playing Eddie, and he does become Venom - it'll make the transformation all the more startling.

Raimi's casting has been spot on so far (with the possible exception of the pizza guy from SM2)

[faceplant]

anybody know when the last episode of that 70's show is one, we could probably get a good idea of how big he's gotten from that

[faceplant]

he does have a good villainy look to him.

[Cmill216]

anybody know when the last episode of that 70's show is one, we could probably get a good idea of how big he's gotten from that

May 18.

[faceplant]

thanks

[Spawn187]

I am trying to get a scanner for my pic its from 2 months ago.

[christpunchers]

I like that short / semi spikey / messy hair hes got going. Are those blonde streaks or are they technically "highlights". Wondering if i can get something like that done @ toni & guy.

[James"007"Bond]

I still think he should have worked out more, but I can tell his chest is bigger and shoulders are broader.

If anybody needs to work out more, its that lazy-ass maguire. Anybody seen Jake Gyllenhaal lately? Thats what a PP/spider-man should look like. Jake G looks pretty ripped.

On another note, looking at thesepics of Grace still has me chocked up on the fact that he'll neverbe spider-man.

[french joker]

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3117/venom7jg.gif

Topher as Venom, i maniped it from this picture over at
http://kre8tivekonceptz.com/venomaa.jpg
It's just BEAUTIFUL, the manip let me think that Grace could be a reaaly good Venom:up: :eek:

[rock86]

Yo wassup all, I've been a member of the site for awhile but now is when I decided to make a post! I'm a huge spiderman and x-men fan and can't wait to add the movies to my collection, I was checking out countingdown.com and came across this picture posted, though I dont know if its legit its still pretty sick, lemme know what ya think!?
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/7521/tophervenom0gh.jpg

[Aiden]

Barney made that, right?

[djkris]

Amazing job!:up:

[rock86]

So I'm guessing its fan made? oh well if it is the person who did it needs to get hired by Sony to do the poster for them!

[Cmill216]

Barney made that, right?

...I think so....

It is probably my favorite manip of all time.

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

It's possible he'll get to where you want him to be. Just look at Christian Bale in The Machinist, and look at him in Batman. It took him about 2-3 months to go from 120lbs to 220lbs. Admittedly he didn't do it in the healthiest of ways but he still got there incredibly fast.
Hayden buffed up a TON for Anakin in ep.III, and he was much skinner in ep.II than ep.III, not as as Topher, but its a pretty good example.

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

Ok he totally looks like an Eddie Brock there. He doesnt look all big and brooding, but he does look like he can pull it off.
Yeah he does. Deff an improvement over before I have no doubt he will pull it off.

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

I can't imagine he could get big enough to play the Eddie Brock that everyone knows from the comics. Maybe he'll surprise us though. Or maybe he isn't Brock at all.
If it makes a difference, imdb shows him cast in SM3, we all knew that, and it also says he's Eddie Brock...
http://imdb.com/name/nm0333410/
But, it does not have him listed as Eddie Brock/Venom, neither Harry Osborn/Hobgoblin, but it does have Tobey Maguire .... Peter Parker/Spider-Man & Thomas Haden Church .... Flint Marko/Sandman
http://imdb.com/title/tt0413300/

[Galactical]

The man was born to play spider-man. But he'll do ok as eddie I guess.

[black_dust]

The man was born to play spider-man. But he'll do ok as eddie I guess.
Ive always felt Jake gyllenhaal would have made a good spider-man/peter parker.



Topher looks pretty cool, im happy with his size, least he doesn`t look as thin as a rake!

[The Infernal]

Ive always felt Jake gyllenhaal would have made a good spider-man/peter parker.



Topher looks pretty cool, im happy with his size, least he doesn`t look as thin as a rake!

Is it just me or does Jake Gyllenhaal remind anyone of Tobey Maguire? On the other hand Topher isn't too far off either. I don't mean freakishly (not a word, I think :o ) but they share a similar look IMO.

[dr venture]

^ i agree

[black_dust]

Is it just me or does Jake Gyllenhaal remind anyone of Tobey Maguire? On the other hand Topher isn't too far off either. I don't mean freakishly (not a word, I think :o ) but they share a similar look IMO.
True that, but jake wouldn`t have that werid nose flare thing going on that tobey does when he is running;)

[Spider-Man™]

Topher clean shaved again.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/QuickSiR/57324405.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/QuickSiR/57324132.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/QuickSiR/57324130.jpg

I'm guessing these are the pics of Grace. He doesn't look that bad, but even with what we have and about the confirmation as Venom i'll still wait and see.

[Mr. Vice]

He better get his 5:00 shadow back or else:mad:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Alright. That's enough pictures of Topher Grace.

We know what he looks like now.



Seriously - no more.

[ironmaidenrules]

yea, i doubt he changed in the last whatever mins


ewww....we may need a pic of him without a shirt on


EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Brian Braddock]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/april05-germancinema.jpg

"I still look the same, dammit!!!!!"

[ges681]

Since the news of Topher as Venom, I had to admit i had my doubts.
Ive read posts on this forum showing pictures of the scrawny Topher from that 70's show. Then when I hasnt seen him on news of pictures lately i figured he was probably bulking up somewhere. :down

This is the link to the very RECENT preimere photos of American Dreamz. Topher dont look like his body type is very VENOMLIKE.
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808752727&cf=premiere&photoid=611326&intl=us

Just wondering if at this point with the movie only a year away ow everyone else feels about his appearence. I have lots of faith in Sam R, but maybe I just expected more from Topher.

[Spiderpig]

Ive read posts on this forum showing pictures of the scrawny Topher from that 70's show.Why not post it in there then...?:thing:

[Spider-Bite]

wow I almost didn't recognize him. I almost mistook him for Arnold Schwarzenaeger or something he was so big.

[Crimson Dynamo]

wow I almost didn't recognize him. I almost mistook him for Arnold Schwarzenaeger or something he was so big.

Who says Venom is going to be big anyway? He might be Parker-sized.

[Spider-Bite]

Who says Venom is going to be big anyway? He might be Parker-sized.

I know that. I was responding to his description of Topher being "Venom like and un Topher like"

[Brian Braddock]

Who says Venom is going to be big anyway? He might be Parker-sized.

Exactly! I love all the "If Topher's not as big as this guy is for Spiderman 3 I demand we all boycott this film!!!" attitudes :rolleyes: lol

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/dorian_yates_158.jpg



Seriously tho - I'm fine with Venom not being built like a bodybuilder (I mean, c'mon -in some of the comics he'd probably win some competitions being as built as he is!!! Its like - "Hey Eddie, forget the revenge thing and go win the Olympia already!!! Make yourself a ton of cash!")

From what we hear, the suits gonna beef up Topher just enough so he looks more like an equal match to Spidey. So i'm not really putting much stock in what Topher looks like now, to be honest - I have faith the end result will be fine. :up:

[Jlandsw]

Yo wassup all, I've been a member of the site for awhile but now is when I decided to make a post! I'm a huge spiderman and x-men fan and can't wait to add the movies to my collection, I was checking out countingdown.com and came across this picture posted, though I dont know if its legit its still pretty sick, lemme know what ya think!?
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/7521/tophervenom0gh.jpg

That picture is really SICK!!!!!!!!!!! Nice job :up:

[Spiderman703]

Likin the pic that is above me but i still can't see Topher being Venom/Eddie i think that they could have done a little better

[Spencer9]

That is an awesome pic! Maybe things will work out after all..

[Arcturus]

Doesn't look like Eddie Brock to me.

[War Party]

Doesn't look like Eddie Brock to me.

Well, you don't look like Eddie Brock to me... I don't know what I'm talking about. My apologies. Just messing around.:)

[Arcturus]

Okay?

:confused:

[The Kid]

lol neither do I, but who cares what eddie looks like as long as he's kicking tobey's ass all over new york.

[War Party]

Okay?

:confused:

I'm drunk.

[TheBat812]

coming from somebody who has relatively no knowledge of the Spiderman universe, I think he could make a great venom. That pic kicks all kinds of ass.

[Spiderpig]

Topher's physique will not necessarily dictate the size of Venom.

I'm presuming Venom will be mostly, if not all CGI. Don't know why, I just can't see it working with a guy in costume.

[Arcturus]

Well I guess the only real thing to do is wait and we'll see. I'm looking forward to Spider-Man 3, but i'll hold opinion till then.

[The offspring]

grace will be ace as whatever character raimi casts him as, raimi has 20 years of movie making experience when most of us hypers have nadda, have faith in a proffesional who knows his **** instead of *****ing cause your fanboy fantasies will never be a reality. *hic*

[Symbiotica]

grace will be ace as whatever character raimi casts him as, raimi has 20 years of movie making experience when most of us hypers have nadda, have faith in a proffesional who knows his **** instead of *****ing cause your fanboy fantasies will never be a reality. *hic*

... don't you just hate it when people post here drunk? I do... unless its a funny post.

This misses that mark by several miles.

[Mister Gone]

I think that the quiet and funny characters always pull off a psycho really well, cause you don't expect it. I am excited to see what kind of performence Raimi gets out of him. I always thought of Brock as the quiet and plotting psycho much more than a raving looney. That was Cassidy.

[The Venomator]

i think venom deserves his own movie in future, but with all the super-villans in this will surely make it more action packed and a more thrilling storyline than one and two

[Mister Gone]

Naw, when they made him all anti-hero in the comics, that's when Venom became a little limp wristed.

[faceplant]

... don't you just hate it when people post here drunk? I do... unless its a funny post.

This misses that mark by several miles.

lol, i think i'm drunk every time i post here....

[Mister Gone]

State dependent learning i guess

[R00K1]

hey everyone new to the boards. just thought id add my 2 cents in,

now b4 i go on i just would like to state i havent read ALL the posts in this thread. too many, but form what i have read seems ppl are bumming hard on tophers look and cause hes not uber buff.

well i got 3 words for you ULTIMATE SPIDERMAN. if i remember correctly and i know i do, eddie brock is a pretty scrawny college kid in that adaptation. i wouldnt doubt for a second thats where theyre basing this movie eddie brock out of.

but what happens whne he becomes venom? freakin monster. so dont fret ppl. im sure these guys know what theyre doin

[matrix_ghost]

http://superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8241311&postcount=1774

BARNEY~

http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/7521/tophervenom0gh.jpg

Not a very good first impression if you ask me...

already lying for attention
He's not lying since i did see that thread at the countingdown forums.
http://www.countingdown.com/movies/2756481/board?viewpost=3855873&folder=0

Plus it's the internet , pics are constantly swapped from one forum to another.

Christ you guys really need to be more openminded and not think that the world revolves around the hype

[Amm-arD]

He's not lying since i did see that thread at the countingdown forums.
http://www.countingdown.com/movies/2756481/board?viewpost=3855873&folder=0

Plus it's the internet , pics are constantly swapped from one forum to another.

Christ you guys really need to be more openminded and not think that the world revolves around the hype

still, i think that pic is quite damn cool,

[Amm-arD]

well i got 3 words for you ULTIMATE SPIDERMAN.

Ultimate Spiderman is 2 words, sorry couldnt help it lol

[Pagrebo]

It's too bad we didn't have opportunities like this to discuss the original Batman movie when Michael Keaton was cast. Most of the people on these boards either weren't even born yet or were too young to remember, but there was a huge bruhaha over his casting. Two hours after the movie premiered, nobody could imagine anyone else in the role. Proof that acting and direction can cure all preconceived ills. Now we just have to wait and see if TG & Raimi can pull it off.

[ges681]

well i got 3 words for you ULTIMATE SPIDERMAN. if i remember correctly and i know i do, eddie brock is a pretty scrawny college kid in that adaptation. i wouldnt doubt for a second thats where theyre basing this movie eddie brock out of.


:O i got 2 words for you....... thanks for joining :up:

[TheCardPlayer]

:O i got 2 words for you....... thanks for joining :up::D :up:

[Mister Gone]

:up: :D :up:

[muscaremy]

thats hilarious

[wilson15636]

It's too bad we didn't have opportunities like this to discuss the original Batman movie when Michael Keaton was cast. Most of the people on these boards either weren't even born yet or were too young to remember, but there was a huge bruhaha over his casting. Two hours after the movie premiered, nobody could imagine anyone else in the role. Proof that acting and direction can cure all preconceived ills. Now we just have to wait and see if TG & Raimi can pull it off.


Good point! :batman: :venom:

[ironmaidenrules]

thats a very good point

cept he made a great batman

not too good as wayne

maybe grace wuill make a great venom since he's a good actor but will fall short as brock since his appearance will be easier to see

keaton had the suit
grace will most likely have cgi enhancements when he's venom

[War Party]

Well, apparently Grace is going to be in the series finale of That 70's Show. So I guess finally we'll see how he looks.

[Nebins]

When is that?

[The Kid]

It's too bad we didn't have opportunities like this to discuss the original Batman movie when Michael Keaton was cast. Most of the people on these boards either weren't even born yet or were too young to remember, but there was a huge bruhaha over his casting. Two hours after the movie premiered, nobody could imagine anyone else in the role. Proof that acting and direction can cure all preconceived ills. Now we just have to wait and see if TG & Raimi can pull it off.

amen

[War Party]

When is that?

I don't know the exact date, but it's definitely in May. But I just read that he filmed the scenes Feb. 17. So I don't think seeing him in that episode is going to do us any good.

[craigaat]

venom4life, what's you avatar?

[eXperiment]

I wouldn't mind knowing myself.