Anybody have the most recent pics of Topher Grace?

[BT18]

It would be interesting to see how his "bodybuilding" has progressed

[Matis17]

I can't imagine he could get big enough to play the Eddie Brock that everyone knows from the comics. Maybe he'll surprise us though. Or maybe he isn't Brock at all.

[Jason Martell]

In one year Matthew Perry went from not buff at all, to incredibly super buff. I'm talking about during the last year. If you see a rescent picture of him you will be surprised. With a professional trainer, strong dedication, the right diet, combined with protein shakes, and other safe pills(no steroids) you an get pretty buff, pretty quick.

[Matis17]

Mathew Perry was never the beanpole that Topher Grace was/is.

[CHEZ]

I think I would be relieved to find out that Topher has been cast as Electro rather than Brock.

I just can't see them really thinking "Ok, this kid Grace looks like he would make the perfect Eddie Brock"

But I could see them saying "Ok, this kid Grace looks like a great Max Dillon"

Unless they are going for a Jekyll and Hyde thing where Topher's skinny Brock turns into the hulking Venom.

I mean, hey, Sam's casting choices have always been good and interesting. Every actor that has played a villain has been great. In the back of my mind I trust Raimi knows what he is doing.

[TheSlag]

In one year Matthew Perry went from not buff at all, to incredibly super buff. I'm talking about during the last year. If you see a rescent picture of him you will be surprised. With a professional trainer, strong dedication, the right diet, combined with protein shakes, and other safe pills(no steroids) you an get pretty buff, pretty quick.

Chandler Bing is "incredibly super buff"?!?!?!?!?!?!? Do you have a link, I have not heard, nor seen this. I know he's had issues with his weight, but not that he was incredibly super buff now? What is your definition of incredibly super buff anyway?

[Jason Martell]

Mathew Perry was never the beanpole that Topher Grace was/is.

look at the early season of friends, he was scrawny. Thenhe got fat, and now he's buff.

[Jason Martell]

Chandler Bing is "incredibly super buff"?!?!?!?!?!?!? Do you have a link, I have not heard, nor seen this. I know he's had issues with his weight, but not that he was incredibly super buff now? What is your definition of incredibly super buff anyway?

Well I didn't see this over the internet. It was either people mag, or US mag, or a tabloid. But I saw the picture of him, and he was ripped. Except his legs are still kind of skinny. But the before picture from a year ago looked weak and scrawny compared to how he looks now.

[Hunter Rose]

didn't ryan reynolds get buff for blade and amityville? he used to be average/skinny in that show about the pizza place and he got ripped quick. you guys need to remember that these guys are going to be getting buff for their job with top quality trainers and nothing else to worry about, so if topher is venom, i'm betting he's hitting the gym and getting big.

[BT18]

didn't ryan reynolds get buff for blade and amityville? he used to be average/skinny in that show about the pizza place and he got ripped quick. you guys need to remember that these guys are going to be getting buff for their job with top quality trainers and nothing else to worry about, so if topher is venom, i'm betting he's hitting the gym and getting big.

Ryan Reynolds was never "average/skinny". Atleast not since he's gotten famous. In Van Wilder he was shirtless alot and he clearly didn't have a thinner or smaller than average frame. Topher Grace does.

He's just going to be an adaptation of Peter Parker sized Venom from the Ultimate version of the character, which I think is boneheaded. But anyone who thinks someone Topher Grace sized can attain anything resembling the least muscular panel of the classic Eddie Brock from the comics has no understanding of how bodybuilding and development based on ones own genetic makeup works.

[Toren]

http://www.matthewperry.nl/blog/wp-content/WorkingOut.jpg

That's the closest I've gotten to an actual pic of Perry post-working out.

Here's pre-(massive) working out Ryan...

http://www.ryanreynoldsonline.com/images/gallery/moviecaptures/vanwilder/vanwilder19.jpg

And here's post working out Ryan Reynolds.

http://www.brianklotz.com/Images/ryanreynolds_sm.jpg

[Zen]

not a giant difference. he started out much bigger then topher and topher has to at least get to the latter size. at least.

[Matis17]

Ryan isn't even close to being as scrawny as Topher in that top pick.

[Retroman]

Topher Grace transforming for Spider-Man role

Grace was officialy announced as a Spider-Man 3 villain on May 19th, 2005 - http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=3034


Here are some pictures to show....
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2521/521915985mf.jpg
February 13, 2005


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6835/527393401lz.jpg
April 30, 2005


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5870/530749751ij.jpg
June 15, 2005


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9260/533264548fj.jpg
August 4, 2005


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6291/556342654sm.jpg
September 15, 2005


Images courtesy of Getty Images

MORE are available here (including full body shots - he looks bigger): http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=SRH&logsrch=1

[Donk3y]

It's possible he'll get to where you want him to be. Just look at Christian Bale in The Machinist, and look at him in Batman. It took him about 2-3 months to go from 120lbs to 220lbs. Admittedly he didn't do it in the healthiest of ways but he still got there incredibly fast.

[not_a_victim]

Wow, pictures of Grace's face. How buff.
Perry lost a bunch of weight when he was addicted to painkillers, then bloated back up, then got fairly tight.
I still say the reason that Grace will be Brock is so that he just doesnt overpower TM with his presence. Can you imagine how a bodybuilder sized guy playing brock would look next to TM as spidey? Also, unless I am mistaken, when Venom first made his appearance, he wasnt as huge as he is now.
Also, dont ever doubt that Hollywood actors/actresses arent chemically assisted with their body transformations. Remember, steroids are legal if you have a prescription. Not saying that is what Grace is doing, just saying it happens.
Also, wasnt Grace shirtless for a scene in the "tad hamilton" movie? He was lean but I dont remember him looking anything like DJ Qualls, and most people seem to think he is that skinny.

[Matis17]

No body shots? Can't really gage anything from those pics.

[Retroman]

No body shots? Can't really gage anything from those pics.
MORE are available here (including full body shots - he looks bigger): http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=SRH&logsrch=1

[el brujo138]

Ok so say that Topher somehow manages to build himself up from his scrawny teenage looking body into looking like Eddie Brock who is a bodybuilding freak that does not change the fact that Topher going on his work so doesnt has the ability to pull of the part.

[War Party]

I'm holding judgement until I see Grace in Spider-Man 3. I have no opinion on him yet. But That's 70 Show is funny.

[ZER0C00L]

he has lazy eye

[Venom'sDad]

I'm holding judgement until I see Grace in Spider-Man 3. I have no opinion on him yet. But That's 70 Show is funny.

Which is why I think most feel his personality fits Electro more so than Venom. Electro is a wise-cracking villain..... maybe he might bring out the wise-cracking Spidey for a change.







BTW....... I think he's The Chameleon :)

[War Party]

I'll be happy with Electro.

[Warhammer]

Elektro is fine, but i prefer him as an Eddie Brock under development. I have faith in Grace's acting ability, because he does a really good job at it. I just wish there wasnt a whole Goblin legacy that needed to be finished. I really want to see a new goblin so the story will be done and because i have been waiting for that for soo long. Thomas Haden Church being the possible Sandman and all and a Goblin cliffhanger at the end of Spider-Man 2 makes me want too many things at one time.
1. I want a new Goblin.
2. I want the Goblin/Spider-Man story to be finished.
3. I love Thomas Haden Church's acting ability and i want him to be Sandman
4. Topher Grace is a very good actor that deserves to be a villain, but i don't want Venom in this one.
5. Venom deserves his own movie.
:(

Sandman/Goblin :up:
Venom :down

[Jason Martell]

Ok so say that Topher somehow manages to build himself up from his scrawny teenage looking body into looking like Eddie Brock who is a bodybuilding freak that does not change the fact that Topher going on his work so doesnt has the ability to pull of the part.

did you observe his audition or something? Have you watched him try? How do you know this? You know sometimes people can play more than one kind of character. Alfred Molina use to play a goofy comedy role.

Compare Reeves acting style in the matrix to that of Bill and TEd. Completely different personas. Just because you can play one doesn't mean you can't play the other.

[TheBat812]

MORE are available here (including full body shots - he looks bigger): http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=SRH&logsrch=1
you post the actual pics? i cant find them

[el brujo138]

did you observe his audition or something? Have you watched him try? How do you know this? You know sometimes people can play more than one kind of character. Alfred Molina use to play a goofy comedy role.

Compare Reeves acting style in the matrix to that of Bill and TEd. Completely different personas. Just because you can play one doesn't mean you can't play the other.

I have seen Topher in other parts and That 70´s Show more than a dozen times and I can safely say that he will not be able to pull of the part of the demented and psychotic hellbent on killing Spider-Man Eddie Brock. Maybe with a couple of more years exprience behind him but as of right now the answer is no.

And your comparision to Keanu is faulty. The second Bill & Ted movie was made in 1991 and the Matrix was made in 1999, so its not that Keanu just played the goofy Ted and then a couple of years later started playing Neo. No he had plenty of time to get experience and trying out other parts before the Matrix gig. He played an actionhero in Speed, a young man seduced by the devil and entering a new world in the Devils Advocate and proved in those movies that he could play the part of Neo.

A bit diffrent from Topher who has spent most of his acting career playing a goofy kid on a sit-com. So that comparison does not work and is wrong.

[Wolverini]

Whoa! What makes everyone so damn sure he cant pull of a good Venom? Look at Toby Maguire for instance. Have you seen his screentest? He looked small and everything BUT muscular for some reason :( Atleast thats my opinnion. Yet in Spiderman 1 , after his bodybuilding stuff , he looked big and muscular. If they can pull that off with Tobey , they most certainly can with Topher. I always thought Tobey was a bit too small to play Parker / Spiderman but look how that came out in Spiderman 1 + 2!

Rest assured , im sure Raimi knows what he's doing! He'll pull of this Venom , that is , if there's going to BE a Venom in SM3.

Eddie Brock withouth the Venom suit looked just like Parker except a little bigger. Brock WITH the Venom suit however looked massive and BIG. Im sure Raimi will do Venom justice :O

[Matis17]

And your comparision to Keanu is faulty.Using Keanu Reeves as an example of good acting is faulty.

[RAMORE]

I think it will work topher is a great actor watch all his movies and tell me he's not. Plus he's like 3 inches taller than tobey for intimidating out of costume confrontations and in costume who cares its not really him anyway.

[Toren]

And I wouldn't really say that Eddie Brock is psychotic... hellbent on destroying Peter's life, yes... but not psychotic. Leave the psychosis to Carnage.

[el brujo138]

And I wouldn't really say that Eddie Brock is psychotic... hellbent on destroying Peter's life, yes... but not psychotic. Leave the psychosis to Carnage.

Wrong. Psychotic means that you lose contact with reality and you cant make a diffrence between what is going on in your mind and what is going on around you. Sound like Eddie allright, he is absouletly convinced that Peter Parker destroyed his career eventhough that is not what really happend and he wont face up to reality because he is no longer able to see what is real and what is wrong. He has lost contact with reality so he is psychotic.

[chazzared]

I agree with matis, if you wanted to takl about good acting, keanu reeves isnt the best example. His entire acting ability can be summed up with this picture
http://www.20six.co.uk/pub/Chazzared/matrix.jpeg

[Jason Martell]

I have seen Topher in other parts and That 70´s Show more than a dozen times and I can safely say that he will not be able to pull of the part of the demented and psychotic hellbent on killing Spider-Man Eddie Brock. Maybe with a couple of more years exprience behind him but as of right now the answer is no.

And your comparision to Keanu is faulty. The second Bill & Ted movie was made in 1991 and the Matrix was made in 1999, so its not that Keanu just played the goofy Ted and then a couple of years later started playing Neo. No he had plenty of time to get experience and trying out other parts before the Matrix gig. He played an actionhero in Speed, a young man seduced by the devil and entering a new world in the Devils Advocate and proved in those movies that he could play the part of Neo.

A bit diffrent from Topher who has spent most of his acting career playing a goofy kid on a sit-com. So that comparison does not work and is wrong.

Fine compare Reeves in Speed to Bill and Ted. Completely different.

Compare Will Smith in Fresh Prince of Bel Air to a single one of his movies. I have seen a lot of that 70's show. And there were a few instances where it got all dramatic, and not corny comedish. Wehre he would get all angry and dramatic. I honestly don't have a doubt in my mind, that Topher will make the perfect Venom. I think he will be slightly different from Eddie in the comic book, but he will be perfect.

[Jason Martell]

I agree with matis, if you wanted to takl about good acting, keanu reeves isnt the best example. His entire acting ability can be summed up with this picture
http://www.20six.co.uk/pub/Chazzared/matrix.jpeg

AAAHHHHHHHHH! I got to go watch that movie now.

[el brujo138]

Fine compare Reeves in Speed to Bill and Ted. Completely different.

Compare Will Smith in Fresh Prince of Bel Air to a single one of his movies. I have seen a lot of that 70's show. And there were a few instances where it got all dramatic, and not corny comedish. Wehre he would get all angry and dramatic. I honestly don't have a doubt in my mind, that Topher will make the perfect Venom. I think he will be slightly different from Eddie in the comic book, but he will be perfect.

Do you even read what I write? He had the chance to get some experience between playing in Bill & Ted and the Matrix which was your example. Infact he got around 8-9 years of experience playing in diffrent parts thereby proving himslef worthy of the part. 8-9 years worth of expeirence, of working with diffrent directors and thereby nobody thought of him as that Ted guy anymore.

Topher on the other hand has been in 5 movies and starred in a sit-com and thats it!To compare that to Keanu as you just did was wrong and you know it because you are backtracking. Yeah that sit-com show sure got all tense and dramatic but in a sit-com way where you know that everything is gonna turn out allright. Have you even read the Spider-Man comics with Venom, do you even know how demented and evil Venom acts? Nothing Topher has done has shown that he can play Eddie Brock.

You have yet to post anything of worth to prove that he can pull of the part as I just shot down your Keanu-Topher comparison. Back up what your saying with proof.

[Jason Martell]

How much experience did Reeves have between Speed and Bill and Ted. I didn't claim to have proven Grace can play him, I merely pointed out that nobody has posted any proof he can not play him.

[el brujo138]

How much experience did Reeves have between Speed and Bill and Ted.

Between the first Bill & Ted movie he had 6 years and between the second and Speed he had 3 years. Now compare that to Topher, hmmm lets when did That 70s show get cancelled? This year or is it still running?

And the Speed example is not a god one to use either because Keanu runs around looking like a dope in the movie all the time while Dennis Hopper carries the movie on his back. So in those 6 or 3 years ( it depends on if you count from the first or the secind movie) Keanu still sucked while 4-5 years later in the Matrix he turned in a really good performance. So going by your logic Topher will suck in this movie.

Have you got anything to backup this Topher is gonna do it crap? Or are you just gonna pretend he can do it and use faulty arguments and comparisons?

[el brujo138]

How much experience did Reeves have between Speed and Bill and Ted. I didn't claim to have proven Grace can play him, I merely pointed out that nobody has posted any proof he can not play him.

Hmmm...funny everybody that doesnt want him for the part has posted proof in that we are saying that going by what we have seen so far from him and going by his lack of experience he is not going to be able to pull of the part of Eddie Brock.

[Yellow Cyclone]

actually reeves was pretty diesel in speed compared to bill and ted...




just saying :p

[Matis17]

I will say this. I would invest more faith in Topher Graces acting talents than Keanu Reeves. Not that I really believe he's playing Brock but what ever villain he's been tapped for, I'm confident that it's because Sam Raimi knows he can do it.

[tecnowraith]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/lawyerlee2/TopherGrace.jpg
not sure how new this pic is.

[gdw]

So um yeah, where are the supposed recent pics? Figure they shoulc be around if that is what we are discussing.

[user123456789]

i love how topher wears a hat now lol

[Jason Martell]

Hmmm...funny everybody that doesnt want him for the part has posted proof in that we are saying that going by what we have seen so far from him and going by his lack of experience he is not going to be able to pull of the part of Eddie Brock.

You guys have not posted any proof or even evidence that he can not do this. You have not. All you know is that he can play eric on that 70's show. You have no possible way of knowing that he can't do a completely different part for this movie, unless you saw him audition for the part.

[LarryLegend]

Using Keanu Reeves as an example of good acting is faulty.

LOL! :up:

[Toren]

Wrong. Psychotic means that you lose contact with reality and you cant make a diffrence between what is going on in your mind and what is going on around you. Sound like Eddie allright, he is absouletly convinced that Peter Parker destroyed his career eventhough that is not what really happend and he wont face up to reality because he is no longer able to see what is real and what is wrong. He has lost contact with reality so he is psychotic.
Or he could just be paranoid. I know I am a bit. I still wouldn't say psychotic. He isn't seeing ****, which is losing touch with reality (such as Harry is). I know that seeing **** isn't the only means of psychosis, but to me he's just paranoid. Spiderman did screw up his life with the story. He has an unhealthy obsession (as do most people, just not with another person) and is in denial. Not psychotic.

That's just my interp though.

And, in case you guys forgot, Topher has been in several movies. Including Traffic... though I think he was only the freaking out boyfriend of the girl who overdosed. Not quite sure. I haven't seen that movie in a long time. And a lot of actors, such as THC, were in tons of movies before being noticed (THC was in roughly 22 movies before being noticed) while others hit spot on in their first acting job.

Being caught in one role is death to the actor (ie Mark Hamill - when was the last time you saw him in something other than a Sci Fi related movie)... which is why I'm glad that Topher is actually getting a serious role for once.

[Postman]

people he's not going to be big. If they were going to get a hulkiing venom they would have gone with someone else its obvious they eare going the ultimate route.

[el brujo138]

Or he could just be paranoid. I know I am a bit. I still wouldn't say psychotic. He isn't seeing ****, which is losing touch with reality (such as Harry is). I know that seeing **** isn't the only means of psychosis, but to me he's just paranoid. Spiderman did screw up his life with the story. He has an unhealthy obsession (as do most people, just not with another person) and is in denial. Not psychotic.

That's just my interp though.

And, in case you guys forgot, Topher has been in several movies. Including Traffic... though I think he was only the freaking out boyfriend of the girl who overdosed. Not quite sure. I haven't seen that movie in a long time. And a lot of actors, such as THC, were in tons of movies before being noticed (THC was in roughly 22 movies before being noticed) while others hit spot on in their first acting job.

Being caught in one role is death to the actor (ie Mark Hamill - when was the last time you saw him in something other than a Sci Fi related movie)... which is why I'm glad that Topher is actually getting a serious role for once.

No he is not paranoid he is psychotic. Go look up the symtoms of a psychosis and of paranoia and read the original Venom stories, he is psychotic.

Anyway I am through with this discussing Topher for Eddie stuff, I have made my point. Besides he is not even offically confirmed yet and I dont think he will be either because of the reasons I have stated.

People that are spewing all this garbage about how great a scrawny actor from a sit-com will be as the bad ass huge Venom are fanboys that dont listen to reason.

[el brujo138]

You guys have not posted any proof or even evidence that he can not do this. You have not. All you know is that he can play eric on that 70's show. You have no possible way of knowing that he can't do a completely different part for this movie, unless you saw him audition for the part.

And you have no proof that he CAN do it either and I have asked several times that you provide some sort of evidence and you havent so I give up, there is no point of trying to reason here. Believe whatever you want.

[Postman]

argh he's not going to do it.

[Fathermithras]

"
Or he could just be paranoid. I know I am a bit. I still wouldn't say psychotic. He isn't seeing ****, which is losing touch with reality (such as Harry is). I know that seeing **** isn't the only means of psychosis, but to me he's just paranoid. Spiderman did screw up his life with the story. He has an unhealthy obsession (as do most people, just not with another person) and is in denial. Not psychotic.

That's just my interp though."

Your interpretation is utterly incorrect and faulty. Your confusing pschitzophrenia with being psychotic. he has a separationf from reaity, there is aboslutely no argument there. NOT HALLUCINATING does not mean he's not psychotic.

Leave the psyche diagnoses to those who know.

[Fathermithras]

And you have no proof that he CAN do it either and I have asked several times that you provide some sort of evidence and you havent so I give up, there is no point of trying to reason here. Believe whatever you want.

He could easily do ULTIMATE Eddie Brock. Believing he's going to play an aged, hardened news veteran is idiotic.

[Toren]

"
Or he could just be paranoid. I know I am a bit. I still wouldn't say psychotic. He isn't seeing ****, which is losing touch with reality (such as Harry is). I know that seeing **** isn't the only means of psychosis, but to me he's just paranoid. Spiderman did screw up his life with the story. He has an unhealthy obsession (as do most people, just not with another person) and is in denial. Not psychotic.

That's just my interp though."

Your interpretation is utterly incorrect and faulty. Your confusing pschitzophrenia with being psychotic. he has a separationf from reaity, there is aboslutely no argument there. NOT HALLUCINATING does not mean he's not psychotic.

Leave the psyche diagnoses to those who know.
As I said, I could just be talking out of my ass.

No need to be so angry. Just doing idle chatter on a forum. Maybe if I cared enough to look it up, I would, but frankly I don't. If so be it, I could do the newb mistake of going through your post and critique it (but I won't because I hate when people do that - that and the only troubles I see are with my own preferences).

Anyway, why are people so testy on these boards? Its as if I'm attacking the core of their beliefs by stating my thoughts, which happened to be wrong. Simply state it as such and leave it be.

Just like the people who ambushed Symbiotica in the Sandman thread.

[Fathermithras]

Sorry, I meant to merely be analytical with my response. I came off as a dick.

[Jason Martell]

And you have no proof that he CAN do it either and I have asked several times that you provide some sort of evidence and you havent so I give up, there is no point of trying to reason here. Believe whatever you want.

I never claimed to have proof or even know that he can play it. I have only refuted your guys points that he can't play it. What I was saying about reeves wasn't intended as evidence that he can play it, only evidence to refute your guy's points that he can't play it.

the only person that probably knows is Raimi, since I'm sure he would have him do some kind of test screen or audition first.

[Toren]

Sorry, I meant to merely be analytical with my response. I came off as a dick.
It happens. We all have our dick moments (see the Something Strange about the New SANDMAN Picture for mine).

I really need to brush up on my Psych notes (or actually go back to college) anyway.

[Tobiaswins]

He could easily do ULTIMATE Eddie Brock. Believing he's going to play an aged, hardened news veteran is idiotic.



Maybe not an aged news veteran, but he WILL be a news veteren.

[Toren]

Anyway I am through with this discussing Topher for Eddie stuff, I have made my point. Besides he is not even offically confirmed yet and I dont think he will be either because of the reasons I have stated.

People that are spewing all this garbage about how great a scrawny actor from a sit-com will be as the bad ass huge Venom are fanboys that dont listen to reason.
All I'm going to say is that there are multiple possiblities for what Raimi wants to do to the Venom storyline to lift him above the "hulking God-like villain" that he has been recently portrayed as. If you're going to be a purist, then we're going to have the Secret Wars as part of the storyline... trust me, this isn't going to happen.

I know that's a step too far, but I seriously cannot see Eddie Brock in the movies, unless we want a talentless wrestler fulfilling the part. Adjustments would have to be made - which is why I think Topher is being brought in... he's most likely going to be made into the antithesis of Parker and, like in Ultimate Spiderman, be scrawny (if not built as much as possible) and become a muscular mass once he transforms into Venom.

I mean, which is more impressive? The transformation from a scrawny white kid into a muscular and toned body or an average built guy putting on a bunch of muscle? I'd say the former for dramatic purposes. It'd show his determination and hatred of Parker to become stronger than him.

[Jason Martell]

When ever somebody uses the word fanboy, you know they can't debate for *****.

What is fanboy supposed to mean anyways? Aren't we all fans here? If so, then aren't the people calling other people fanboy's being hyprocrites?

[War Lord]

When ever somebody uses the word fanboy, you know they can't debate for *****.

What is fanboy supposed to mean anyways? Aren't we all fans here? If so, then aren't the people calling other people fanboy's being hyprocrites?

A real fanboy wants his characters copied exactly as they are presented in the comics, even if the translation doesn't translate into film.

If anything is different, because not all aspects can translate well (like Wolverine's costume or the Hulk just mindlessly throwing buses or knocking down buildings), he'll *****, whine, and moan about how the character is being bastardized.

[Toren]

A real fanboy wants his characters copied exactly as they are presented in the comics, even if the translation doesn't translate into film.

If anything is different, because not all aspects can translate well (like Wolverine's costume or the Hulk just mindlessly throwing buses or knocking down buildings), he'll *****, whine, and moan about how the character is being bastardized.
Thank you! I was trying to figure out how to say it properly and you captured it. :up:

[Retroman]

Topher Grace transforming for Spider-Man role

Grace was officialy announced as a Spider-Man 3 villain on May 19th, 2005 - http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=3034


Here are some pictures to show....
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2521/521915985mf.jpg
February 13, 2005


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6835/527393401lz.jpg
April 30, 2005


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5870/530749751ij.jpg
June 15, 2005


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9260/533264548fj.jpg
August 4, 2005


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6291/556342654sm.jpg
September 15, 2005


Images courtesy of Getty Images

MORE are available here (including full body shots - he looks bigger): http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=SRH&logsrch=1
Forget to mention you need to search 'Topher Grace' at the linked provided.

[craigaat]

He aint looking too bad in the beardy one

[el brujo138]

When ever somebody uses the word fanboy, you know they can't debate for *****.

What is fanboy supposed to mean anyways? Aren't we all fans here? If so, then aren't the people calling other people fanboy's being hyprocrites?

Your saying I cant debate for **** when I completly shot down your Keanu-Topher comparison? Whatever pal. Why dont you go make another poll about if Superman Returns will be better than Spider-Man or better than the Matrix that can get closed down again.

[el brujo138]

A real fanboy wants his characters copied exactly as they are presented in the comics, even if the translation doesn't translate into film.

If anything is different, because not all aspects can translate well (like Wolverine's costume or the Hulk just mindlessly throwing buses or knocking down buildings), he'll *****, whine, and moan about how the character is being bastardized.

Yeah what I meant here is fanboys of Raimi that think he can do no wrong and refuse to see the flaws in his direction and the movies.

[el brujo138]

Sorry, I meant to merely be analytical with my response. I came off as a dick.

No problem, I asked my girlfriend, who studies psychology, about what psychotic means and described Eddie Brock to her and she said it sounded like a psychosis. I stand corrected and I blame it on her as always...:)

[el brujo138]

He could easily do ULTIMATE Eddie Brock. Believing he's going to play an aged, hardened news veteran is idiotic.

The problem with that is so far nothing we have seen in the movies have been from the Ultimate universe. Raimi is a fan of classic Spider-Man not the Ultimate universe. So far the movies has been based on classics so why would he change that for the third movie?

[TheBat812]

Forget to mention you need to search 'Topher Grace' at the linked provided.
can you please post them? you have to be a member.

[Jason Martell]

The problem with that is so far nothing we have seen in the movies have been from the Ultimate universe. Raimi is a fan of classic Spider-Man not the Ultimate universe. So far the movies has been based on classics so why would he change that for the third movie?

because he can. Actually the movies do have a lot of Ultimate in them. The whole cafteria scene, as well as some other stuff. It's like mostly the original, but with some Ultimate mixed in there.

Its' funny you guys all complain, that this is so drastically different from the comics, but then you guys say it's very accurate to the original comics, therefore it wont be like Ultimate.

But to answer your question. Maybe he likes Ultimate Venom more than classic Venom.

[Alexia Dark]

Forget to mention you need to search 'Topher Grace' at the linked provided.

And I'm not paying $10 just to see some body shots of him.

[Symbiotica]

Wrong. Psychotic means that you lose contact with reality and you cant make a diffrence between what is going on in your mind and what is going on around you. Sound like Eddie allright, he is absouletly convinced that Peter Parker destroyed his career eventhough that is not what really happend and he wont face up to reality because he is no longer able to see what is real and what is wrong. He has lost contact with reality so he is psychotic.

Wrong!

Psychosis: "a disruptive mental state in which the individual struggles to distinguish the external world from internally-generated perceptions."

Common symptoms of psychosis:

*hallucinations
*delusions [seeing things that are not there]
*difficulty with thought organization

Most common diagnosis: schitzophrenia. And yes Virginia, schitzophrenia IS a psychosis.

Brock has not "lost contact with reality." He's not schitzophrenic. Believe me, if you ever see a schitzophrenic you will know right away! He does not see hallucinations every time he turns around - or as far as i remember, ever. What Brock does is indulge himself in a fantasy that allows him to justify his own actions to himself. We have tons of corporate CEOs and politicians doing the exact same thing right this minute.

Anger does not equal mental illness. Desires for revenge are not hallmarks of mental illness in and of themselves. Have you never felt a desire for revenge? Ever? That must make you a psychotic, right?

What Brock is, is a neurotic.

That said, I feel dirty even mentioning the name "Brock" in a thread devoted to Gopher. I still do not think he's going to be him, either.

Trying to make this guy Brock is like these airports that have vans for passengers around town with "AIRPORT LIMOUSINE" stenciled on the side. Calling a van a limousine does not turn it into a limo.

Calling Gopher Brock wouldn't make him Brock, either.

Fresh off the Psych clinical rotation with a textbook by my side:
~n.

[miller man]

Wrong!

Psychosis: "a disruptive mental state in which the individual struggles to distinguish the external world from internally-generated perceptions."

Common symptoms of psychosis:

*hallucinations
*delusions [seeing things that are not there]
*difficulty with thought organization



This perfectly describes a few people in this forum.

[collegedudejcr01]

I'm noticing that he no longer has the blonde hair anymore and his body still pretty much looks the same in the most recent one taken on 10-18-2005.

[Toren]

Not that you can really tell since he doesn't have his shirt off.

[el brujo138]

Wrong!

Psychosis: "a disruptive mental state in which the individual struggles to distinguish the external world from internally-generated perceptions."

Common symptoms of psychosis:

*hallucinations
*delusions [seeing things that are not there]
*difficulty with thought organization

Most common diagnosis: schitzophrenia. And yes Virginia, schitzophrenia IS a psychosis.

Brock has not "lost contact with reality." He's not schitzophrenic. Believe me, if you ever see a schitzophrenic you will know right away! He does not see hallucinations every time he turns around - or as far as i remember, ever. What Brock does is indulge himself in a fantasy that allows him to justify his own actions to himself. We have tons of corporate CEOs and politicians doing the exact same thing right this minute.

Anger does not equal mental illness. Desires for revenge are not hallmarks of mental illness in and of themselves. Have you never felt a desire for revenge? Ever? That must make you a psychotic, right?

What Brock is, is a neurotic.

That said, I feel dirty even mentioning the name "Brock" in a thread devoted to Gopher. I still do not think he's going to be him, either.

Trying to make this guy Brock is like these airports that have vans for passengers around town with "AIRPORT LIMOUSINE" stenciled on the side. Calling a van a limousine does not turn it into a limo.

Calling Gopher Brock wouldn't make him Brock, either.

Fresh off the Psych clinical rotation with a textbook by my side:
~n.

Actually I already said that I was wrong and was corrected, but thanks for beating the dead horse some more :up:

[Symbiotica]

The horse will be dead when people stop this ridiculousness about Gopher being Brock, and not one instant before.

Even now idiots are creating 50 new threads in order to state the same exact stuff we've all seen 50,000 times about it: unfortunately, I'd call it anything BUT dead.

Carry on.

[el brujo138]

The horse will be dead when people stop this ridiculousness about Gopher being Brock, and not one instant before.

Even now idiots are creating 50 new threads in order to state the same exact stuff we've all seen 50,000 times about it: unfortunately, I'd call it anything BUT dead.

Carry on.

If you read my posts in this thread you can see that I am one of thoose levelheaded, beatiful and allaround brilliant people that dont believe that Topher will be Brock.

[muscaremy]

off topic question why do people call him gopher...

[Jason Martell]

they don't. they call him topher

[muscaremy]

ive seen some foos call him gopher

[Arcturus]

Gopher Grace, or rather Gopher Disgrace is to be Eddie Brock, or as of late, i've been calling him Topher Brock.

[Fathermithras]

"The horse will be dead when people stop this ridiculousness about Gopher being Brock, and not one instant before.

Even now idiots are creating 50 new threads in order to state the same exact stuff we've all seen 50,000 times about it: unfortunately, I'd call it anything BUT dead.

Carry on."

Yes, because everyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The most common threads about Venom are by people saying "OMG VENOM NOT GRACE!!!" and then reasoning "It'd be like, dumb roflmao!"

Sheesh.

[Retroman]

UPDATE
The latest pics of Mr.Topher Grace (taken JANUARY 16th, 2006) are now online! After dying his hair blonde in the summer and dying it dark afterwards he's gone blonde now again. He's in the middle of filming Spider-Man 3 so you draw your own conclusions about his role. It 'appears' to me that he's not really done any 'bulking up'......

Courtesy of Getty Images:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5775/566051506lw.jpghttp://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8734/566163862yi.jpg
BEVERLY HILLS, CA - JANUARY 16: Actor Topher Grace attends the 63rd Annual Golden Globe Awards post after party at the Beverly Hills Hotel Polo Lounge on January 16, 2006 in Beverly Hills, California.

(Photo by Alexander Sibaja/Getty Images)

[Joker]

I agree,he's not buff looking at all.He's just blondish.

Please be Electro :o

[Cmill216]

I agree,he's not buff looking at all.He's just blondish.

Please be Electro :o

Yeah, I really have no idea who this guy will be playing. I'm really doubting it's gonna be Venom or Eddie Brock at this point.

[Cmill216]

Now that I think about it...Maybe...just...maybe... Hydro Man? I mean, visually that would be ridiculousy amazing and if we've got Sandman as well, hey who knows.

[ironmaidenrules]

he looks fatter though...in the face

[Sean Adisano]

Now that I think about it...Maybe...just...maybe... Hydro Man? I mean, visually that would be ridiculousy amazing and if we've got Sandman as well, hey who knows.

but then they might do them combining into the mudthing, i wouldn't like that. it would be cool to see hydroman though.

[dark_b]

topher grace has probably the same build as the guy who plays angel in X3

[Sean Adisano]

maybe they should just cgi topher, you know, make him look big like brock, assuming he is brock/venom.

[dark_b]

maybe in raimis vision brock just isnt big. the suit will make him big. i dont know the comics just dreaming here hehe :)

[Goran]

Look at his hair... I'm wondering whether he's going to have this hairstyle in the movie...

[IceVenom]

Hey everybody, I am new to the board, but I have been reading it for a long time now (year or so). Spiderman 3 is hyping up alot now so i felt it was time to join in the the discussions.

IMO Topher has the ability to play the role. People were asking for proof. Because he has not played a phycotic person bent on killing a superhero does not mean he is not capable of doing so. He is after all an actor. They take challenging roles that they sometimes have never played before and they do what actors do. Research the character and get inside the character, to portray him at the best of their abilities.

On top of that the other experienced actors provide suggestions and advice. Then you have the director. Even if the actor does have the best grasp on the character, a director will do his job, and manipulate the actor to the way he is suppose to play the character.

Now if thats not enough assurance for the potential in an actor such as Topher to play Venom perhaps consider this as well. He played in the movie with Denis Quade as his younger new Boss. A pretty serious, dramatic, and at times funny character. He did an excellent job too and portrayed a number of emotions besides humor. Eddie Brock is not just a crazy blood thursty villian. Even if that case may be, THAT is something anybody can play. With voice manipulation you'd probably barly reconize Tophers voice any how. And a CGI venom doesn't ask too much from the actor. My point being is that he will be playing Eddie more so then Venom. Eddie simply put, is a religious man and at times he will do what needs to be done to survive. He has a strong hatred for spider-man as Eddie. Similar to that of J.Jameson. Its not that hard of a part to play. As venom he does become "psycotic" as some may put it. His hatred is multiplied and with the powers, the antics in which to destroy Spiderman become Creative. Even then hes not just a killing machine. Venom is more then that. He manipulates Parker's life by getting on aunt may's good side and mary jane's as well. He gets people to like him as much as they like Parker and then he trys to kill Spidy. On top of that hes actually hilarious. Besides the "I'll eat your brains for breakfast" line, Venom has had plenty of hilarious moments in the 90's cartoon and in the comic book. A role Topher is all to framiliar with. Reading the comics i'd say he is just as funny (in his own way) as spider man is.

Bottom line: Venom is not a hard role to play. Eddie IS harder. Both together make for a complexed Role for an actor (Something Raimi hired Topher for by the way). I think Topher has enough ability to tackle this role and has enough help from various ppl to guide him through. Muscle mass is not a problem with technology these days, and that boy is alot taller then some ppl think, so pictures can be decieving, and he may infact be bulky then we think. If not he has plenty of time to get big. As far as acting comparison...Keanu was a bad example and this may not be any better but, Jim Carry has proved that comedians can go out and play serious roles. Man on the moon for example was a role he captured all to well.

[Ill Wayz]

you cant tell whether or not he has bulked up based on the picture... With a tuxedo on its way to hard to tell I mean he hasnt shot up 100 pounds otherwise thatd be obvious I aint sure if thats what you all are looking for but... We'll see soon enough I suppose

[Mr. Dumb@$$]

LOOKS LIKE MR. BROCK TO ME.


and he isnt Elektra.


SO SUCK IT UP!

[Frenzy]

Max Dillon

[Sean Adisano]

you cant tell whether or not he has bulked up based on the picture... With a tuxedo on its way to hard to tell I mean he hasnt shot up 100 pounds otherwise thatd be obvious I aint sure if thats what you all are looking for but... We'll see soon enough I suppose


you guys watch, he's going to walk in with a suite, looking all small and scrawny. then he's just going to move is arm and the whole suit is going to bust open, revealing his huge ripped muscles. this of course means nothing since we don't know what part he's playing. and it doesn't matter as well, becasue lets face it, even if he is playing brock/venom, he will never bulk up to that stature. what i said at the begining was just a foolish comment. i'm so ashamed of myself:(

[TheCardPlayer]

Since they are shooting now( right?) when will info leak on his role?

I hope he's Mysterio, lol!


No I really hope he is Mysterio.

[lordofthenerds]

He looks like hes gotten larger to me look at his face and stomach. I think that he is definently going to be Brock even if he isn't exactly big enough. Thanks for the pics Retro.:up:

[Sean Adisano]

He looks like hes gotten larger to me look at his face and stomach. I think that he is definently going to be Brock even if he isn't exactly big enough. Thanks for the pics Retro.:up:

yea he does look a little bigger in the face, can still use another 2-3 months of working out. or just juice it up, that would be easier.

[lordofthenerds]

yea he does look a little bigger in the face, can still use another 2-3 months of working out. or just juice it up, that would be easier.
But filming has already started so he won't be able to juice up to much. He still can continue to work out though. He has gotten bigger but I still pray that he won't ever be in the Venom suit.

[Sean Adisano]

I still pray that he won't ever be in the Venom suit.

well, you mean playing venom. i doubt they will have a suite for venom, it would be impossible.

[lordofthenerds]

well, you mean playing venom. i doubt they will have a suite for venom, it would be impossible.
I'm guessing a mix of a suit and CGI. It wouldn't be impossible.

[CAPT. MARVEL]

Wow, looks like he has never touched a weight in his life. I am a bit disappointed, but I just am going to assume that Raimi's Brock is just drastically different from comic Brock.

[Joker!]

but I just am going to assume that Raimi's Brock is just drastically different from comic Brock.

Or you can assume he's not Brock ;)

Which I hope he is not.Electro please.Or even Mysterio.

[Visionary]

Hello, ******ers and Moaners:

Nope, he's gonna be Eddie Brock, no Electro. And you kids are gonna love it. I'll see you in theaters on 05-04-07.

Sincerely,
Sam Raimi

[Venom'sDad]

Nope..... he's the Chameleon....... nuff said :up:

[Sean Adisano]

Hello, ******ers and Moaners:

Nope, he's gonna be Eddie Brock, no Electro. And you kids are gonna love it. I'll see you in theaters on 05-04-07.

Sincerely,
Sam Raimi

WOW! really, sam raimi. its such an honor to write to you. your my hero for making such awesome movies. i have a shrine in my closet to you. i'll crack anyone in the face if they bad mouth you. i got your back :cool:

[Spencer9]

um did you actually believe him

[Sean Adisano]

um did you actually believe him

what do you mean:confused:

[War Lord]

um did you actually believe him

Why shouldn't he be believed?

Nobody ever lies on the internet.

[Sean Adisano]

Why shouldn't he be believed?

Nobody ever lies on the internet.


exactly. my mommy tells me to always trust people, and that all people are made up of goodness:)

[Sean Adisano]

Why shouldn't he be believed?

Nobody ever lies on the internet.

exactly. my mommy tells me to trust people, and that all people are made up of goodness:)

[Sean Adisano]

Why shouldn't he be believed?

Nobody ever lies on the internet.

exactly. my mommy tells me to trust people, and that all people are made up of goodness:)

[Sean Adisano]

Why shouldn't he be believed?

Nobody ever lies on the internet.

exactly. my mommy tells me to trust people, and that all people are made up of goodness:)

[Sean Adisano]

damn, only me this happens to. sorry everyone, once again, my post has done a mutltiple appearance thingy.

[Sean Adisano]

damn, only to me this happens. sorry guys, but it seems that my post has done another multipile appearance thingy.

[Sean Adisano]

wow, again it happened.

[War Lord]

wow, again it happened.

You're doing it on purpose.

[Sean Adisano]

i wish i was but i'm not. my computer is stupid. so i'm sorry for this, but its not on purpose

[Spencer9]

happened to me once, it like one word and posted, then it made another with an extra word lol very very weird. like this
that was funny
post 1 - that
post 2 - that was
post 3 - that was funny
except it was much much longer

[War Lord]

happened to me once, it like one word and posted, then it made another with an extra word lol very very weird. like this
that was funny
post 1 - that
post 2 - that was
post 3 - that was funny
except it was much much longer

My most number of repeat posts has been about 6.

One guy managed 2 and a half pages. I don't remember who it was but he got banned for it.

[GoldGoblin]

The size of Topher will be the size of Venom.Anyone who thinks Venom will be a huge CGI monster is delirious.They wouldn't have Topher lift weights if they were just going to CGI Venom's apperance.

Venom is just gonna be an evil spidey twin.

[Spider-Bite]

Maybe they wanted some shirtless scenes.

[Spencer9]

Brock was big.. Venom was bigger, so I think Venom will be CGI. But I don't think Grace is Brock anyway maybe he is, but not Venom.

[War Lord]

The size of Topher will be the size of Venom.Anyone who thinks Venom will be a huge CGI monster is delirious.They wouldn't have Topher lift weights if they were just going to CGI Venom's apperance.

Venom is just gonna be an evil spidey twin.

They still may add size to Venom through CGI. It's fairly cheap these days and Venom would be easy to do.

[dark_b]

the ones who say that there is no venom in this movie. well nobody knows. but whats about the new suit ? they made a new suit. so what did they mena?

[Sean Adisano]

i think most definitley that they will cgi venom, if he is in the movie. but topher still needs to buff up to play the part of big tough brock, assuming thats who he's playing. unless raimi has a different version of brock in his head, of course only thinking that raimi has brock in his head:D

[Cmill216]

i think most definitley that they will cgi venom, if he is in the movie. but topher still needs to buff up to play the part of big tough brock, assuming thats who he's playing. unless raimi has a different version of brock in his head, of course only thinking that raimi has brock in his head:D

I think if Topher is Brock, then his casting makes perfect sense. He looks and is built similarly to the franchise's hero (Maguire) so why not have someone that looks like the hero but is the total opposite in terms of character and morals be the anti-hero? I like the idea if he is Brock.

[Sean Adisano]

thats true

[IceVenom]

The size of Topher will be the size of Venom.Anyone who thinks Venom will be a huge CGI monster is delirious.They wouldn't have Topher lift weights if they were just going to CGI Venom's apperance.

Venom is just gonna be an evil spidey twin.

??? First of all Eddie Brock-pre Symbiote- Was as small as Peter Parker.
Second Venom is not, IMO (and alot of others) going to be in this Film, but rather SM-4.

So for Spidy 3 hes perfect. Plus the symbiot DOES indeed make Venom drasticlly larger in size. It Makes percect sence to have Venom be CGI. Not a "Huge" "Monster" As you put it, but a rediculously amazing Venom for all of us on screen to see.

[dark_b]

??? First of all Eddie Brock-pre Symbiote- Was as small as Peter Parker.
Second Venom is not, IMO (and alot of others) going to be in this Film, but rather SM-4.

So for Spidy 3 hes perfect. Plus the symbiot DOES indeed make Venom drasticlly larger in size. It Makes percect sence to have Venom be CGI. Not a "Huge" "Monster" As you put it, but a rediculously amazing Venom for all of us on screen to see.ok i could live with that. but i hope we wont see in the last scene brock as the venom and than the end.

[Toren]

??? First of all Eddie Brock-pre Symbiote- Was as small as Peter Parker.
Actually, he was that size pre-losing everything. After he lost everything, he started working out. That's where he channeled his aggression. Of course, I may be wrong here. :D I'm still pretty sure he was huge before the Symbiote, but the Symbiote just gave him a purpose... whereas just before the symbiote, he was about to commit suicide.

[dark_b]

i want to read the ultimate spiderman( venom). which number?

[Mr. Dumb@$$]

I BET YOU PEOPLE, $10,000,000 THAT GOPHER GRACE IS VENOM.



'nuff said.

[Sean Adisano]

I BET YOU PEOPLE, $10,000,000 THAT GOPHER GRACE IS VENOM.



'nuff said.

i only have $9,999,999.99. oh man, i wanted in on that bet:(

[conan69]

I just do not understand the love of Venom.

I really dont.

Symbiote = Sucks

[Sean Adisano]

I just do not understand the love of Venom.

I really dont.

Symbiote = Sucks

venom is insane. spider-man has such a hard time fighting him. its just the emotions behind the charcaters. venom is an awesome villian. peter parkers life is anything but easy or fair, and venom really adds to the problems he already has to deal with.

symbiote = awesome

[IceVenom]

Yea i mean Venom has a alot of depth and his powers range from spidys to alienistic. He is around that whole era where spider-man learns the enemy of my enemy is my enemy, or keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I really like when they team up and what not. They are both wise crackers so its also funny to watch/read their convos. He becomes an awsome vigulanty in his own city. Visually hes just cool :)

[War Lord]

Yea i mean Venom has a alot of depth and his powers range from spidys to alienistic. He is around that whole era where spider-man learns the enemy of my enemy is my enemy, or keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I really like when they team up and what not. They are both wise crackers so its also funny to watch/read their convos. He becomes an awsome vigulanty in his own city. Visually hes just cool :)

Not to mention that he's the only villain in the MU that everybody fears.

[adzmullz1]

This has probably been brought up before, but i dont pay attention to anything so ill say it :
Is it possible Topher could do what their doing with Vinnie Jones in X-men 3 and put a muscle suit on him????

[dark_b]

This has probably been brought up before, but i dont pay attention to anything so ill say it :
Is it possible Topher could do what their doing with Vinnie Jones in X-men 3 and put a muscle suit on him????what do you mena? that he would wear a muscle suit when he plays venom or when he plays only brock?

[ProjectPat2280]

i want to read the ultimate spiderman( venom). which number?

The arc starts at issue number 33 and ends on 39.

Im not saying Grace is Brock or isnt, or if Venom is even in Spider-Man 3, but if he is, i think Raimi will go with the Ultimate Eddie Brock approach, well kinda. I mean Brock wasnt huge or hulking in USM. Dont forget Raimi doesnt have to stay exactly on course with the orignal comic. Wev already seen alot of times where he has strayed.

[LarryLegend]

??? First of all Eddie Brock-pre Symbiote- Was as small as Peter Parker.
Second Venom is not, IMO (and alot of others) going to be in this Film, but rather SM-4.

So for Spidy 3 hes perfect. Plus the symbiot DOES indeed make Venom drasticlly larger in size. It Makes percect sence to have Venom be CGI. Not a "Huge" "Monster" As you put it, but a rediculously amazing Venom for all of us on screen to see.

Eddie pre symbiote was bigger than Peter Parker. Read a ****ing comic.

[TheSlag]

Eddie pre symbiote was bigger than Peter Parker. Read a ****ing comic.


LOL... can I buy a vowel Vana???? :D

[Dr. Fate]

Grace still looks too wimpy to be Venom/Eddie Brock. Plus that voice... I hear that Topher Grace voice and I just laugh at him. There isn't an iota of menace in his voice.

[supermarvelman]

They just want Topher to looked a little bulky and ripped when he takes of his shirt, because we'll probably see him shirtless in transition between eddie and venom, I think they;ll bulk up Eddies version of Venom, but if Spidey wears the suit it wont be bulky

[IceVenom]

Eddie pre symbiote was bigger than Peter Parker. Read a ****ing comic.
Thanks for the harsh language i appreciate that. But uh if you scope out this forum alittle more you can see a picture of Eddie Brock in his days as a photographer. Hes as big as peter parker. The picture is around here somewhere. I dont know where to find it. However maybe the person who posted it will read this and show you. But thanks for your suggestion about reading comics i'll take it into concideration...jack a$$.:)

[CrimeMaster!]

Thanks for the harsh language i appreciate that. But uh if you scope out this forum alittle more you can see a picture of Eddie Brock in his days as a photographer. Hes as big as peter parker. The picture is around here somewhere. I dont know where to find it. However maybe the person who posted it will read this and show you. But thanks for your suggestion about reading comics i'll take it into concideration...jack a$$.:)

Your probaly thinking of Ultimate Eddie Brock because regular Eddie Brock always had a well build frame.

Also Brock was a journalist/reporter for the Daily Globe not a photographer.

[symbioticspaz]

I didn't want to go through every page, so if this was already a thought somewhere, sorry. In live action, I always pictured WWE wrestler Triple H(not as an actor, more for looks)as a good match for Brock. He's big, got the blond hair, and just a mean look. Brock was a huge guy, supposedly able to bench 600lbs before the symbiote joined up with him. Thats gotta say something. I really hope its not gonna be Topher.

[adzmullz1]

what do you mena? that he would wear a muscle suit when he plays venom or when he plays only brock?

both i guess, although i suppose a LOT of CGI would be used with venom , so mainly just when he's brock

[Retroman]

UPDATE
The latest pics of Mr.Topher Grace (taken JANUARY 16th, 2006) are now online! After dying his hair blonde in the summer and dying it dark afterwards he's gone blonde now again. He's in the middle of filming Spider-Man 3 so you draw your own conclusions about his role. It 'appears' to me that he's not really done any 'bulking up'......

Courtesy of Getty Images:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5775/566051506lw.jpghttp://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8734/566163862yi.jpg
BEVERLY HILLS, CA - JANUARY 16: Actor Topher Grace attends the 63rd Annual Golden Globe Awards post after party at the Beverly Hills Hotel Polo Lounge on January 16, 2006 in Beverly Hills, California.

(Photo by Alexander Sibaja/Getty Images)
At second glance of these new pics i'd say rumors of Brock being a evil Peter Parker (if i'm not mistaken) may be true.

[Advanced Dark]

I'm getting flashbacks of Double Impact with Van Damme. Stop it Retro!

[Retroman]

I'm getting flashbacks of Double Impact with Van Damme. Stop it Retro!
Sorry about that!;) lol

[IceVenom]

Your probaly thinking of Ultimate Eddie Brock because regular Eddie Brock always had a well build frame.

Also Brock was a journalist/reporter for the Daily Globe not a photographer.

Yeah your right he was a reporter journalist iam thinking 90's cartoon when he competed with parker. :( my bad. However Eddie was (atleast in this comic) portayed as big as parker. And i have all the venom comics from the ultimate series so i understand difference. Iam not thinking of the scrawny, freckled, soulpatch eddie brock. I wish i could find that pic. Its on here somewhere, but perhaps it was a flashback or something when brock first got into the busness. But he was once as small as parker lol.

[HughJackFan420]

yes Electro would've fit Topher Grace but then again if their going for the Ultimate Spiderman look then i don't see why Topher couldn't play Eddie Brock with Venom in CG

[Marvel152]

I wish I could see all your faces the day the first pic of a ripped Topher Grace is released. So for now, shut up :)

[Sean Adisano]

I wish I could see all your faces the day the first pic of a ripped Topher Grace is released. So for now, shut up :)

so your all for topher being venom:confused:

[Marvel152]

Personally no, we don't even know if he's playing Venom. But it's funny how everyone keeps saying how skinny he is. Guess you guys don't know much about lifting. It's not hard at all to get big, especially with the money he has.

[spencer6891]

Personally no, we don't even know if he's playing Venom. But it's funny how everyone keeps saying how skinny he is. Guess you guys don't know much about lifting. It's not hard at all to get big, especially with the money he has.


If you knew much about lifting, you wouldn't say that. You would know that it depends largely on body type and genetics. If someone is a hardgainer, then it could very well be hard to get big. And even with the proper diet and training, Topher still may not be able to get very big.

We'll see.

[Sean Adisano]

If you knew much about lifting, you wouldn't say that. You would know that it depends largely on body type and genetics. If someone is a hardgainer, then it could very well be hard to get big. And even with the proper diet and training, Topher still may not be able to get very big.

We'll see.

your right, it just comes easier for some and harder for others, to get big.

[CAPT. MARVEL]

I wish I could see all your faces the day the first pic of a ripped Topher Grace is released. So for now, shut up :)
LOL!! Its just not going to happen. Filming has already started on the flick. Topher would need to gain at least 20-25 lbs of muscle gained to even look moderately in shape. It would take him around a year of hard-core lifting to achieve this as a natural. If he was juicing he could possibly pull this off in around 4 months, seeing as he is a newbie lifter and the gains come much easier at that stage. He just doesn't have the time to pull it off.

[Cmill216]

Sam Raimi to Laura Ziskin:
"Laura, he's not big enough! Did he even work out like we told him to? We need a buff Eddie Brock or the fans are gonna kill me! What should we do?"

Laura Ziskin to Sam Raimi:
"I'll call Jose."

Sam Raimi to Laura Ziskin:
"One of the builders?!"

Laura Ziskin to Sam Raimi:
"No...Canseco."

[War Lord]

LOL!! Its just not going to happen. Filming has already started on the flick. Topher would need to gain at least 20-25 lbs of muscle gained to even look moderately in shape. It would take him around a year of hard-core lifting to achieve this as a natural. If he was juicing he could possibly pull this off in around 4 months, seeing as he is a newbie lifter and the gains come much easier at that stage. He just doesn't have the time to pull it off.

It's not impossible to gain 30 lbs in 6 months. Difficult, but not impossible.

It's all about getting enough calories and working out, but not overtraining.

He only needs to consume 580 calories a day above basal metabolic rate and working out.

They can also shoot around a schedule where the time that he reveals just what shape he's in, would be among the last shots taken. Everything else can be shot before hand.

[LarryLegend]

Thanks for the harsh language i appreciate that. But uh if you scope out this forum alittle more you can see a picture of Eddie Brock in his days as a photographer. Hes as big as peter parker. The picture is around here somewhere. I dont know where to find it. However maybe the person who posted it will read this and show you. But thanks for your suggestion about reading comics i'll take it into concideration...jack a$$.:)

Hey I'm sorry you haven't read the comics and post from a place of ignorance,
imbecile. ;)

[Mr. Socko]

They couldn't get anyone bigger :???:

[Venom'sDad]

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5775/566051506lw.jpghttp://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8734/566163862yi.jpg

YES.... he is a mirror image of Tobey.... just look at that belly showing through a sports jacket for crying out loud..... yes he has gotten bigger LOL....... anyway what we see here could very well be Ben Reily.... the Spiderman replacement of Tobey Mac and Gwen as his new chick......

MJ is successful now..... she will give PP an ultimatum..... either come with me to Hollywood/Europe, where-ever and cease being Spiderman, or I'm leaving you and moving on....... that's if PP/Spidey is not killed. ;)


http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215228

[not_a_victim]

For those of you thinking Grace doesnt have enough time to get bigger, he probably started working out back when he the idea of the role was first brought up. Also, if you think that Hollywood folks dont have massive chemical assistance to transform their bodies for these type roles, you are lying to yourselves.

Also, in this age of internet and telephoto lenses, actors undergoing massive body transformations will have their clothes tailored to hide their changing bodies, in order to keep themselves from getting on these type boards.

I dont think that Grace is gonna be huge for this role. I think he will look quite abit like Tobey looked in SMI. buff, but in no way huge.

[Sean Adisano]

For those of you thinking Grace doesnt have enough time to get bigger, he probably started working out back when he the idea of the role was first brought up. Also, if you think that Hollywood folks dont have massive chemical assistance to transform their bodies for these type roles, you are lying to yourselves.

Also, in this age of internet and telephoto lenses, actors undergoing massive body transformations will have their clothes tailored to hide their changing bodies, in order to keep themselves from getting on these type boards.

I dont think that Grace is gonna be huge for this role. I think he will look quite abit like Tobey looked in SMI. buff, but in no way huge.

i wouldn't say like tobey of sm1, but he'll be in good shape i think.

[not_a_victim]

i wouldn't say like tobey of sm1, but he'll be in good shape i think.
Tobey in SMI was a great example of how to hide a body with tailored clothing. There really is no telling what Grace looks like under his clothes.


Also, I would like to point out that in that "Tad Hamilton" movie or whatever it was called, he had a scene with no shirt on. He was lean, but he had some decent tone to him. He's not THAT far in the hole to start with.

[Brodie The Wise]

I'd much rather prefer "evil peter parker" venom than "bulging freak" venom. better story and less stupid.

[user123456789]

It's not impossible to gain 30 lbs in 6 months. Difficult, but not impossible.

It's all about getting enough calories and working out, but not overtraining.

He only needs to consume 580 calories a day above basal metabolic rate and working out.

They can also shoot around a schedule where the time that he reveals just what shape he's in, would be among the last shots taken. Everything else can be shot before hand.

share your wisdom with me.. how'd you get those calorie numbers?

do you know an extreme amount of fitness? i need some advice.

[dark_b]

Tobey in SMI was a great example of how to hide a body with tailored clothing. There really is no telling what Grace looks like under his clothes.


Also, I would like to point out that in that "Tad Hamilton" movie or whatever it was called, he had a scene with no shirt on. He was lean, but he had some decent tone to him. He's not THAT far in the hole to start with.
here?
http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/040114/1447__tad_l.jpg

[TheSlag]

here?
http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/040114/1447__tad_l.jpg


LMAO... he looks like a boy next to a man in that pic. :D :down

[TheSlag]

Man, I really wish they would of cast Matthew Mcconaughey as Brock.

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Matthew%20Mcconaughey-5.jpg

or

the shaven psychotic look like in Reign of Fire. :up:

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2002_Reign_of_Fire/2002_reign_of_fire_002.jpg

[That-Guy]

McConaughey WOULD have made a good Brock. Reign of Fire was kind of a mediocre movie, but Matt kicked all sorts of ass in it. Also, on aside note... he was excellent in "Frailty." If you haven't seen that, get to a Blockbuster immediately.

[Ill Wayz]

If you knew much about lifting, you wouldn't say that. You would know that it depends largely on body type and genetics. If someone is a hardgainer, then it could very well be hard to get big. And even with the proper diet and training, Topher still may not be able to get very big.

We'll see.

sorry but no, not with a million dollar personal trainer

[Retroman]

here?
http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/040114/1447__tad_l.jpg
Thats soooo unfair man. The other guy is like 2 feet taller.

[LarryLegend]

Topher looks pretty scrawney in that photo.

[LarryLegend]

Man, I really wish they would of cast Matthew Mcconaughey as Brock.

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Matthew%20Mcconaughey-5.jpg

or

the shaven psychotic look like in Reign of Fire. :up:

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2002_Reign_of_Fire/2002_reign_of_fire_002.jpg

Yeah he would have been good. Course its Sam (I cast Dunst as MJ) Rami calling the shots so Topher makes sense.

[dark_b]

ok now we got a spoiler info about harry. isnt it strange that they never say anything about topher??????????????????????

you really should expect that topher will have a BIG role in SM3.
ig he would only play eddie we would know something.

[TheSlag]

Thats soooo unfair man. The other guy is like 2 feet taller.

2 feet?? ;)

Yes, he's taller, but he's also built as opposed to the "stick man".

[supermarvelman]

i want to read the ultimate spiderman( venom). which number?

USM # 33-38
Play Ultimate Spider-Man the video game to its pretty cool game nothing spectacular but the game ties directly into USM thee comic, its actually Venom's latest appearance since USM # 38

[Cmill216]

Here's the question that I have been asking myself for a while now:

Why are they keeping Topher's role (SPECIFICALLY His) a secret? We know THC's, and with this Leno appearance we know Bryce's (and both roles are PRETTY big news to this franchise). But why is Topher's such a mystery? I really am starting to doubt this Venom thing. Is there something else going on that we don't see?

I remember what Sam Raimi said about Topher when they casted him:

"Spider-Man will face double the trouble in our next film and I couldn't be more excited about the direction we are taking Peter Parker and the franchise," said Raimi. "Topher Grace is an extraordinarily talented actor and will be perfect for the complexities of the role we are developing."

(SIGH) Waiting for those pictures...

[TheSlag]

Here's the question that I have been asking myself for a while now:

Why are they keeping Topher's role (SPECIFICALLY His) a secret? We know THC's, and with this Leno appearance we know Bryce's (and both roles are PRETTY big news to this franchise). But why is Topher's such a mystery? I really am starting to doubt this Venom thing. Is there something else going on that we don't see?

I remember what Sam Raimi said about Topher when they casted him:



(SIGH) Waiting for those pictures...

I think they know they have a powderkeg on their hands... the announcement of his character. That, and it's still the one big surprise (read... Comic-Con) remaining to reveal. OK... two. The announcement, and the first pic of the villain in costume (IF he is in costume this movie). I mean, Sandy in costume is kinda... *meh* to the major level... Electro, Venom, or even waiting to see what they do with GG2 is... *Droooooooool* ;)

[LarryLegend]

Yeah the Gobby costume and Bryce as Gwen are what I'm looking forward too.
Slag are you saying they don't want to announce Topher as Brock cause they fear a backlash? ;)

[TheSlag]

Yeah the Gobby costume and Bryce as Gwen are what I'm looking forward too.
Slag are you saying they don't want to announce Topher as Brock cause they fear a backlash? ;)

To a small degree... yes. I think it's more a fear of giving away the one really good buzz magnet they have left.

[Sean Adisano]

I think they know they have a powderkeg on their hands... the announcement of his character. That, and it's still the one big surprise (read... Comic-Con) remaining to reveal. OK... two. The announcement, and the first pic of the villain in costume (IF he is in costume this movie). I mean, Sandy in costume is kinda... *meh* to the major level... Electro, Venom, or even waiting to see what they do with GG2 is... *Droooooooool* ;)

hold on, i'll go get you a towel or napkin or something...:D

joking aside, your right. the biggest secrect and very anticipated one is who is topher:confused:

and i too can't wait to see the goblin costume:D

[Cmill216]

the biggest secrect and very anticipated one is who is topher:confused:


That's why I have a slight doubt in me that he IS going to be the Eddie Brock/Venom character. I just feel like with all the rumours going around that he will be him, that they would have just come out and given an "official" confirmation of these many rumours and "confirmations". There just doesn't appear to be any indication that he will be playing Venom (like the rumours back in the day of Sand stuff over at the Sony lot leading to our knowledge that THC would be Sandman).

The only reason I even think he MIGHT be playing Eddie Brock is because he looks like Tobey and they could be going for a parallel Brock to the series' Peter. But that's about it.

[Sean Adisano]

That's why I have a slight doubt in me that he IS going to be the Eddie Brock/Venom character. I just feel like with all the rumours going around that he will be him, that they would have just come out and given an "official" confirmation of these many rumours and "confirmations". There just doesn't appear to be any indication that he will be playing Venom (like the rumours back in the day of Sand stuff over at the Sony lot leading to our knowledge that THC would be Sandman).

The only reason I even think he MIGHT be playing Eddie Brock is because he looks like Tobey and they could be going for a parallel Brock to the series' Peter. But that's about it.

good thought:up:

i don't know what to think. i'm leaning towards he's not brock/venom.

[Cmill216]

Think about it for a second. Why would they wait to have some big official announcement for something that has been long speculated on for months? It wouldn't surprise any of us if we was Eddie Brock/Venom, so there would be no need to continue holding out for so long...unless they have something ELSE up there sleeves.

But again, as I said before, I can see Topher being Brock, it's just that I am starting to have some doubts as to whether or not he will be Brock.

[Sean Adisano]

Think about it for a second. Why would they wait to have some big official announcement for something that has been long speculated on for months? It wouldn't surprise any of us if we was Eddie Brock/Venom, so there would be no need to continue holding out for so long...unless they have something ELSE up there sleeves.

But again, as I said before, I can see Topher being Brock, it's just that I am starting to have some doubts as to whether or not he will be Brock.

true. and i see what your saying, i can see topher as brock, but i don't see brock in this movie. the only thing we can do is wait and see.

[LarryLegend]

Wait and see! What fun is that?

[Sean Adisano]

Wait and see! What fun is that?

its not fun at all, but its all we can do until something comes out on it. i'm getting pretty tired of all this speculating on lack of information. i need a little more insight at this point.

[spideydave]

Man, I really wish they would of cast Matthew Mcconaughey as Brock.

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Matthew%20Mcconaughey-5.jpg

or

the shaven psychotic look like in Reign of Fire. :up:

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2002_Reign_of_Fire/2002_reign_of_fire_002.jpg


Ehh I'd prefer Matt Dillon. Just watch Crash and other films where he is well... An a$$hole

[Cmill216]

Ehh I'd prefer Matt Dillon. Just watch Crash and other films where he is well... An a$$hole

Oooh...I like that idea. I FREAKIN' LOVED Matt Dillon in Crash and I'm pulling for him to win Best Supporting Actor at the Oscars. He would make a wonderfully sadistic Eddie Brock.

http://www.descalzosporelparque.com/biografias/matt%20dillon.jpg

[Venom'sDad]

To a small degree... yes. I think it's more a fear of giving away the one really good buzz magnet they have left.

nahhhhh..... there has already been a backlash against him being Venom, yet alone everyone else like Kirsten being MJ, Bryce being Gwen(at this point of the series), THC being Sandman.... etc.

I think it a big secret because revealing who TG will play, will be giving away yhe story.... or the big shock value if you will. Him being Venom or Electro would mean a very obvious story. Him being the Chameleon, would leave a little element of surprise at first. The audience would be wondering why PP/Spidey is acting that way, why MJ sneeking around with John while PP watch angryly, or why Harry is acting all cool with Peter now, even though the two have unresolve issues. of coarse, the audience would catch on a third of the way into the film, but still, it would create a minor surprise anyway.

Even a bigger shock and surprise would be if he is the clone of Spiderman.... being the franchise, Tobey's replacement.... they wouldn't want to give that SHOCK! away. My point being, that revealing Topher may reveal the story, and I think they are trying to hold on to a possible shocker, as long as possible. It will eventually get out. However, even with Topher's identity.... this movie still may have some interesting surprises.

[Cmill216]

I think it a big secret because revealing who TG will play, will be giving away yhe story.... or the big shock value if you will. Him being Venom or Electro would mean a very obvious story. Him being the Chameleon, would leave a little element of surprise at first. The audience would be wondering why PP/Spidey is acting that way, why MJ sneeking around with John while PP watch angryly, or why Harry is acting all cool with Peter now, even though the two have unresolve issues. of coarse, the audience would catch on a third of the way into the film, but still, it would create a minor surprise anyway.


:up: I think the Chameleon would be a wonderful minor villain to go with Sandman and GG2. It would create some interesting twists.

[LarryLegend]

You actually think they'd make Topher a clone?

[Cmill216]

You actually think they'd make Topher a clone?

I know! I really HATE that idea... and that word, "clone". It makes me think of Anakin and Padme by the lake. :O

[Sean Adisano]

I know! I really HATE that idea... and that word, "clone". It makes me think of Anakin and Padme by the lake. :O

clone doesn't look like its in the cards for this franchise. i think it would really bring down the movie, especially for me.:down

[Venom'sDad]

NO..... like I have said time and time again..... in Making the Case: Death of Spiderman..... I was just giving some interesting possibilities to discuss.... what was the likelyhood that he may be a CLONE as a way to recast PP/Spiderman..... because we all know that Tobey Mac won't be PP/SM forever.... and there is a chance this may be all the main cast(TM, JF, KD, RH-AuntMay) last go round.

Again.... for the record.... I believe there is a greater chance of Topher being the Chameleon than any other villain including Venom..... even though there is more evidence pointing to Venom than anyone else. NOT because the Chameleon is my favorite villain(he's not... Venom is) or because I want the Chameleon; but because I have a strong gutt feeling that he's not Venom.... I won't believe it til Sony says so. At this point.... any male villain is possible.... including Ben Reily.... until confirmed.

The Clone thing was just another way to look at the possibilities.... thats all..... some of you take thing to seriously when discussing ideas that are out-the-box. At the time news was slow, and I had hope to create a little discussion til real news came out.

[Sean Adisano]

NO..... like I have said time and time again..... in Making the Case: Death of Spiderman..... I was just giving some interesting possibilities to discuss.... what was the likelyhood that he may be a CLONE as a way to recast PP/Spiderman..... because we all know that Tobey Mac won't be PP/SM forever.... and there is a chance this may be all the main cast(TM, JF, KD, RH-AuntMay) last go round.

Again.... for the record.... I believe there is a greater chance of Topher being the Chameleon than any other villain including Venom..... even though there is more evidence pointing to Venom than anyone else. NOT because the Chameleon is my favorite villain(he's not... Venom is) or because I want the Chameleon; but because I have a strong gutt feeling that he's not Venom.... I won't believe it til Sony says so. At this point.... any male villain is possible.... including Ben Reily.... until confirmed.

The Clone thing was just another way to look at the possibilities.... thats all..... some of you take thing to seriously when discussing ideas that are out-the-box. At the time news was slow, and I had hope to create a little discussion til real news came out.

that would be stupid though, to have spider-man die, and a clone take his place. i mean the movie is titled, Spider-Man. if he were to die and a clone took his place, they would have to rightfully call it "Clone-Man".

i know, not a fancy title, but it couldn't truthfully be called spider-man, the franchise would be destroyed. the movies would be destroyed. i would be destroyed:mad:

its an idea i'm not to fond of:down - not raging on your idea Venom'sDad,
i just don't think it would be a direction to take the movies. hope i didn't offend you. because i don't mean to.:)

[TheSlag]

Ehh I'd prefer Matt Dillon. Just watch Crash and other films where he is well... An a$$hole

Dillon is good, but he's not in Matthew's class IMO. Matthew gives the studios what it wants for the character of Brock/Venom, someone that could possibly carry a franchise IF there is a spinoff. Part of the reason I think for casting Topher. Understandable, but I just think Matthew Mcconaughey can play with more intensity than Topher, and still has the star capability to carry a franchise if the powers-that-be decide to go that route.

[TheSlag]

nahhhhh..... there has already been a backlash against him being Venom, yet alone everyone else like Kirsten being MJ, Bryce being Gwen(at this point of the series), THC being Sandman.... etc.

I think it a big secret because revealing who TG will play, will be giving away yhe story.... or the big shock value if you will. Him being Venom or Electro would mean a very obvious story. Him being the Chameleon, would leave a little element of surprise at first. The audience would be wondering why PP/Spidey is acting that way, why MJ sneeking around with John while PP watch angryly, or why Harry is acting all cool with Peter now, even though the two have unresolve issues. of coarse, the audience would catch on a third of the way into the film, but still, it would create a minor surprise anyway.

Even a bigger shock and surprise would be if he is the clone of Spiderman.... being the franchise, Tobey's replacement.... they wouldn't want to give that SHOCK! away. My point being, that revealing Topher may reveal the story, and I think they are trying to hold on to a possible shocker, as long as possible. It will eventually get out. However, even with Topher's identity.... this movie still may have some interesting surprises.


Surely (Shirley ;) ) you do realize you simply reiterated what I said in my post, but using many more words... right?

I said to a small degree, the main concern is giving away the one big element of mystery they still have... Topher's character.

And you think there has been backlash already over Topher's character, when it has YET to be confirmed??? Just wait til it's confirmed. Visionary will have an orgasm with all the biatchin that will follow.

Edit: Just to make sure I'm clear. I think there's 0 chance of Chameleon... and 0 chance of the clone story.

[Venom'sDad]

that would be stupid though, to have spider-man die, and a clone take his place. i mean the movie is titled, Spider-Man. if he were to die and a clone took his place, they would have to rightfully call it "Clone-Man".

i know, not a fancy title, but it couldn't truthfully be called spider-man, the franchise would be destroyed. the movies would be destroyed. i would be destroyed:mad:

its an idea i'm not to fond of:down - not raging on your idea Venom'sDad,
i just don't think it would be a direction to take the movies. hope i didn't offend you. because i don't mean to.:)

I'm never offended Sean.... and none was taken.... I put ideas out there, I expect some to FLAME.....

but back to the thread "Making the Case: Death of SM"..... I only used that idea, not only for the sake of discussion, but that it REALLY HAPPENED in the Comics.... I don't see why SOME aspect of that series couldn't be adapted to the big screen as a way to recast Tobey, instead of pulling a Batman(3 actors cast as BW/BM over 3 films). I've said this before.... there was a new Bruce Wayne every new Batman film.... 4 if you count Batman Begins.... but that is sat aside from the original 80's-90's version.... thank god.

That was the reason for bringing up the clone, it happen in the comics, Sam said this movie will be 50-50 comics-on it's own, Topher had the blonde hair-doo like Ben Reily.... and there was a few other reason I gave in that thread dealing with quotes from Sam, Avi, James Franco, and Kirsten. It can be used, to recast.... don't think it can't..... is it likely.... possible.... do I think it will happen.... of coarse not. A topic of discussion.... thats all.... whether you like the idea or not.

[Venom'sDad]

Surely (Shirley ;) ) you do realize you simply reiterated what I said in my post, but using many more words... right?

And you think there has been backlash already over Topher's character, when it has YET to be confirmed??? Just wait til it's confirmed. Visionary will have an orgasm with all the biatchin that will follow.

Well if it makes you feel better to think you are the only one who thought that.... than be my guess.... but so you know.... a lot of people here, have felt that way for a while now.

As for a backlash.... pish-posh the confirmation.... at the very thought(speculation) of Topher being Venom, the backlash against it had begun..... and Visionary having an orgasm is not a bad thought......;) The biatchin..... well that depends....

[TheSlag]

Well if it makes you feel better to think you are the only one who thought that.... than be my guess.... but so you know.... a lot of people here, have felt that way for a while now.

As for a backlash.... pish-posh the confirmation.... at the very thought(speculation) of Topher being Venom, the backlash against it had begun..... and Visionary having an orgasm is not a bad thought......;) The biatchin..... well that depends....

Not my point. My point was WHY were you quoting my post when you were simply reiterating my thoughts, about it being a small factor. Which you clearly did not understand, with your first comment was "Nawh".

I never thought others did NOT think the same, I was simply answering Larry who asked.

As far as Vis having orgasms being a good thing... trust me the mental image is enough to make one go screaming into the night. :eek:

[Venom'sDad]

Not my point. My point was WHY were you quoting my post when you were simply reiterating my thoughts, about it being a small factor. Which you clearly did not understand, with your first comment was "Nawh".

I never thought others did NOT think the same, I was simply answering Larry who asked.

As far as Vis having orgasms being a good thing... trust me the mental image is enough to make one go screaming into the night. :eek:

OK... let me clear this up because you are totally loss....

That response you gave(post#188) to Larry's question (post #187), is the only post that I read written by you. So I was giving my thoughts, that it wasn't the backlash that Sony and company was affraid of, but that it would give away the story. I know nothing about you saying that as well, I only read your post #188.

[dark_b]

USM # 33-38
Play Ultimate Spider-Man the video game to its pretty cool game nothing spectacular but the game ties directly into USM thee comic, its actually Venom's latest appearance since USM # 38thanks

[dark_b]

i now finished with the ultimate spiderman 33-38. you do realize that gwen is also there? eddie is like peter. peter has the black suit only one night.the symbiote is from the lab.

i really think that if sandman is a side villain than venom could really work in this movie.

[not_a_victim]

LMAO... he looks like a boy next to a man in that pic. :D :down
Yeah, he starts out with a flat stomach and broad shoulders...shame on him.

[Cmill216]

Dillon is good, but he's not in Matthew's class IMO. Matthew gives the studios what it wants for the character of Brock/Venom, someone that could possibly carry a franchise IF there is a spinoff. Part of the reason I think for casting Topher. Understandable, but I just think Matthew Mcconaughey can play with more intensity than Topher, and still has the star capability to carry a franchise if the powers-that-be decide to go that route.

?

Slag, you're my boy. But are you feeling okay, dude? Dillon is not in McConaughey's class????????????

Did you see Crash? If that guy isn't a great Eddie Brock, than I am high.

...(COUGH) Oh, no! The cops! Put it out! Put it out!

[TheSlag]

Yeah, he starts out with a flat stomach and broad shoulders...shame on him.

Broad shoulders????? Which guy are you looking at (a little too closely too mind you... ya perv) again?

Yep. Flat stomach, and shoulders (not really broad), and zero muscle development... zero, as in zip, nada, nothing, zilcho.... :rolleyes:

You know... kinda like most 12 year old boys... Hell... make that 8 year old boys. :D

[TheSlag]

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Slag, you're my boy. But are you feeling okay, dude? Dillon is not in McConaughey's class????????????

Did you see Crash? If that guy isn't a great Eddie Brock, than I am high.

...(COUGH) Oh, no! The cops! Put it out! Put it out!

Yes, I saw it, and loved the movie. Loved it from the previews too. And as I said, I love Dillon, especially in those type roles, but Matthew has an edge to him too, and I can see the studio wanting someone who has the star power to carry the character/franchise (Venom) IF they choose to spin-off the franchise. Which they would be CRAZY not to consider, given Venom's popularity.

Matthew gives them more potential in that area than Dillon... IMO

[GarzaUK]

I guess people have already come to a conclusion that Topher is Venom/Eddie Brock even though we have no conformation at all. No-one had a clue about Gwen Stace until a month ago.

Venon will not be in the next movie, so why is there 2 and a half villians in SM?

[BT18]

Oooh...I like that idea. I FREAKIN' LOVED Matt Dillon in Crash and I'm pulling for him to win Best Supporting Actor at the Oscars. He would make a wonderfully sadistic Eddie Brock.

http://www.descalzosporelparque.com/biografias/matt%20dillon.jpg

Dillon woulda been fantastic. GREAT SUGGESTION He's even from Long Island and occasionally inflects a little bit of New Yorky dialect in some of his words. Dillon also would have been a much better Dwight McCarthy than Clive Owen.

As for Matthew McConaughey, no. A relatively substantial number of supposedly straight film fans/geeks need to drop their man-crush on that guy. I see him suggested for all these different characters, none of which would be appropriate with his redneck accent. And more importantly he phones in most performances, and doesn't care about not giving the public *****ty movie after *****ty movie. I don't arrive at this opinion from any kind of prejudice or undisclosed bias. He played one of the best characters in what I consider the greatest movie of all time (Dazed and Confused) but the dude is just hanging around for the money and the chicks it seems ( much like Wooderson might have ), not any kind of nobler goal like contributing to the greater good of cinema.

[TheSlag]

I agree his accent could present a problem.

And his choice of movies has been subpar, BUT that is more the reason I would LOVE to see him in such a role.

And IF I ever played for the other side ;) (ummm... we be talking ummm.... football... ) he'd be my tight end. :eek: :D LMAO....

[Cmill216]

Yes, I saw it, and loved the movie. Loved it from the previews too. And as I said, I love Dillon, especially in those type roles, but Matthew has an edge to him too, and I can see the studio wanting someone who has the star power to carry the character/franchise (Venom) IF they choose to spin-off the franchise. Which they would be CRAZY not to consider, given Venom's popularity.

Matthew gives them more potential in that area than Dillon... IMO

Hmm...interesting. The funny thing is that McConaughey has not carried a blockbuster film...yet. "Sahara" was an attempt, as was "Reign of Fire" and both did lukewarm business. I'm not dissing McConaughey, I'm just saying that he doesn't have this "star power" you say.

What's even funnier, Slag, is that you basically gave me the point I was going to make. Who needs a star to carry a possible spinoff franchise for Venom when Venom is so popular of a character? Bale wasn't a star. That didn't stop Begins. Tobey wasn't a star. That didn't stop Spider-Man. People will go to see Venom, not McConaughey. And trust me, in terms of the character of Eddie Brock, Matt Dillon is FAR better for the role.

[ProjectPat2280]

(Dillon and McConaughey)


I think they both SUCK as Brock, and should never ever even be allowed to read for the role.

[Sean Adisano]

I'm never offended Sean.... and none was taken.... I put ideas out there, I expect some to FLAME.....

but back to the thread "Making the Case: Death of SM"..... I only used that idea, not only for the sake of discussion, but that it REALLY HAPPENED in the Comics.... I don't see why SOME aspect of that series couldn't be adapted to the big screen as a way to recast Tobey, instead of pulling a Batman(3 actors cast as BW/BM over 3 films). I've said this before.... there was a new Bruce Wayne every new Batman film.... 4 if you count Batman Begins.... but that is sat aside from the original 80's-90's version.... thank god.

That was the reason for bringing up the clone, it happen in the comics, Sam said this movie will be 50-50 comics-on it's own, Topher had the blonde hair-doo like Ben Reily.... and there was a few other reason I gave in that thread dealing with quotes from Sam, Avi, James Franco, and Kirsten. It can be used, to recast.... don't think it can't..... is it likely.... possible.... do I think it will happen.... of coarse not. A topic of discussion.... thats all.... whether you like the idea or not.

i understand what your saying, but the movies are going to go downward anyways without the original cast, so i rather just recast, rather then kill the main character off and make him a clone. i hope thats one aspect of the comics they choose not to follow.

[Cmill216]

(Dillon and McConaughey)


I think they both SUCK as Brock, and should never ever even be allowed to read for the role.

Why would Dillon suck? Explain that one to me.

[Sean Adisano]

Why would Dillon suck? Explain that one to me.

McConaughey would suck. Dillion wouldn't. he's got that tough guy attitude like Brock does in the comics, and he sort of looks like brock too.

[TheSlag]

Hmm...interesting. The funny thing is that McConaughey has not carried a blockbuster film...yet. "Sahara" was an attempt, as was "Reign of Fire" and both did lukewarm business. I'm not dissing McConaughey, I'm just saying that he doesn't have this "star power" you say.

What's even funnier, Slag, is that you basically gave me the point I was going to make. Who needs a star to carry a possible spinoff franchise for Venom when Venom is so popular of a character? Bale wasn't a star. That didn't stop Begins. Tobey wasn't a star. That didn't stop Spider-Man. People will go to see Venom, not McConaughey. And trust me, in terms of the character of Eddie Brock, Matt Dillon is FAR better for the role.

I agree that Spider-Man is the star/draw as opposed to Tobey, and I agree to a lesser degree, Batman is the draw as opposed to Bale. But, Dillon (a fine actor, and great in roles, which would include Brock) is not in Bale's class IMO. Not even close.

And I would not compare Sahara to a block buster film, regardless of what it wanted to be. Just was NOT going to happen, unless the story/movie was pure greatness/fun. It was not. I think Matthew did OK in it, not great, not bad. He helped make the movie as good as it was.

Reign of Fire, again, the story killed it. This movie had potential, and the character showed the potential Matthew has to play such a role, even with his character being poorly written IMO.

And lastly... Venom, while popular, is in NO way as popular as Spider-Man and Batman. They need a name to carry it with the mass (non-fan based) audience. Dillon... as good as he is... is NOT that "name".

[Sean Adisano]

And lastly... Venom, while popular, is in NO way as popular as Spider-Man and Batman. They need a name to carry it with the mass (non-fan based) audience. Dillon... as good as he is... is NOT that "name".

your right. a big name will be needed for venom. but who:confused:

[TheSlag]

your right. a big name will be needed for venom. but who:confused:

I think they've already make their chocie, and from a main-stream standpoint, it's an iffy call. Is Topher a name enough to carry the franchise if there is a spinoff? Not sure. Interesting choice, since in a lot of circles, like it or not, Topher is looked on as an up and coming actor in the business. One on the rise, with tremendous upside potential.

IF... Topher is Brock, for me, would NOT have been my first choice, BUT it will be an interesting to watch choice to see how he does with the role, for me (again). *Clinton voice..."I feel your pain Venomites" ;)

[Sean Adisano]

I think they've already make their chocie, and from a main-stream standpoint, it's an iffy call. Is Topher a name enough to carry the franchise if there is a spinoff? Not sure. Interesting choice, since in a lot of circles, like it or not, Topher is looked on as an up and coming actor in the business. One on the rise, with tremendous upside potential.

IF... Topher is Brock, for me, would NOT have been my first choice, BUT it will be an interesting to watch choice to see how he does with the role, for me (again). *Clinton voice..."I feel your pain Venomites" ;)

i guess your right about topher, he is up and coming. i mean i won't be angry if he's brock. i just hope if he is, that he can pull off being a tough guy, unless brocks character isn't written that way.

[Cmill216]

I agree that Spider-Man is the star/draw as opposed to Tobey, and I agree to a lesser degree, Batman is the draw as opposed to Bale. But, Dillon (a fine actor, and great in roles, which would include Brock) is not in Bale's class IMO. Not even close.

And I would not compare Sahara to a block buster film, regardless of what it wanted to be. Just was NOT going to happen, unless the story/movie was pure greatness/fun. It was not. I think Matthew did OK in it, not great, not bad. He helped make the movie as good as it was.

Reign of Fire, again, the story killed it. This movie had potential, and the character showed the potential Matthew has to play such a role, even with his character being poorly written IMO.

And lastly... Venom, while popular, is in NO way as popular as Spider-Man and Batman. They need a name to carry it with the mass (non-fan based) audience. Dillon... as good as he is... is NOT that "name".

I agree with you for the most part.

So do you like McConaughey as Venom more than you like Dillon as Venom? I'm not arguing about star power, cause neither of them really has a whole lot of it (McConaughey obviously a little bit more). IMO, Dillon would be a far better Venom with his sheer intensity that he displayed in Crash. I just can't SEE McConaughey as Venom. I CAN see Dillon as that snarling Eddie Brock/Venom though. Just imagine him facing off with Tobey. Dillon would LOOK like an intimidating force compared to Maguire.

[Sean Adisano]

McConaughey has that southern acent. yea i know alot of actors have an acent and yet canm still sound like their american, but i never heard McConaughey talk without his acent. i don't think brock, a tough new yorker, has an acent. dillion would be cool to see.

[Cmill216]

McConaughey has that southern acent. yea i know alot of actors have an acent and yet canm still sound like their american, but i never heard McConaughey talk without his acent. i don't think brock, a tough new yorker, has an acent. dillion would be cool to see.

Yeah. :up:

McConaughey just seems like a good looking, rugged type.

But Dillon has that New Yorker vibe going on, plus he just looks like a freakin' pycho. :)

[mopho]

so tope grace is venom? im lost whats the idea of the board?

[Sean Adisano]

so tope grace is venom? im lost whats the idea of the board?

nobody's being venom yet, because it wasn't officially announced. topher may or may not.

as for this thread, its kind of transitioned from the new pics of topher grace, to who we think would be a good pick for venom(even though we don't know if venom will be in this film or the next)

[ProjectPat2280]

Dillon doesnt have a mean acting bone in his body, there is no way in hell he could EVER, EVER pull off Brock and not make that character a complete puss.

[Sean Adisano]

But Dillon has that New Yorker vibe going on, plus he just looks like a freakin' pycho. :)

yea, especially when he smiles. he has those evil smile teeth.

[Cmill216]

Dillon doesnt have a mean acting bone in his body, there is no way in hell he could EVER, EVER pull off Brock and not make that character a complete puss.

You obviously didn't see Crash.:rolleyes:

[mopho]

but why are u talking about tophers transformacion or bodybulding? venom is the only strong villian so far

[Sean Adisano]

but why are u talking about tophers transformacion or bodybulding? venom is the only strong villian so far

well, i personally would like to see him as venom, but doubt if he will be.

but some people are saying he'll be electro, or ben reiley(i don't know how to spell), or i heard even hobgoblin, which is just stupid i think.

[Cmill216]

well, i personally would like to see him as venom, but doubt if he will be.

but some people are saying he'll be electro, or ben reiley(i don't know how to spell), or i heard even hobgoblin, which is just stupid i think.

Well, no clones, please!

Electro would be okay, but the electricity thing is kinda...meh.

I still say that if he isn't going to be Venom that Chameleon or Hydro Man would be the only things I could see him as. Yes I know the Mud thing would be stupid...but that's IF they were to do that.

[Sean Adisano]

Well, no clones, please!

Electro would be okay, but the electricity thing is kinda...meh.

I still say that if he isn't going to be Venom that Chameleon or Hydro Man would be the only things I could see him as. Yes I know the Mud thing would be stupid...but that's IF they were to do that.

i rather see hydro-man than chameleon. personally, the chameleon wasn't that cool to me.

if they don't do the mudthing, by all means do hydro-man.

and yes, PLEASE NO CLONES!!!

[not_a_victim]

Broad shoulders????? Which guy are you looking at (a little too closely too mind you... ya perv) again?

Yep. Flat stomach, and shoulders (not really broad), and zero muscle development... zero, as in zip, nada, nothing, zilcho.... :rolleyes:

You know... kinda like most 12 year old boys... Hell... make that 8 year old boys. :D
When I say "broad shoulders", I mean in relation to his waist/hip size. If you have the 3:2 ratio, you are considered to be broad shouldered for somone your size. Mine is 3.5:2 (at 5'7"), and I rarely am able to get off-the rack shirts that dont look like crap on me.

[mopho]

mmhh i didnt think ben reily thopers looks like more like ben than venom

[Sean Adisano]

mmhh i didnt think ben reily thopers looks like more like ben than venom

yea he does, but i doubt they'll do ben reily. and i hope they don't.

[mopho]

mmhh chameleon, sound s very ordinary, actually all villiams of spiderman are bad, except goblin and venom. sandmas was ok, but see electro or hydroman or chameleaon would be ridiculous, ben sounds a good choice if it wouldnt be venom

[Sean Adisano]

well, i really hope its venom they do.

but to see hyrdo-man. if they did it right, his story and all, imagine the fighting scenes you can do. i brought this out on another thread, a fight scene with hydro-man.

you see a cruise ship leaving manhattan, and its heading for the varrazano to go under it, when hydro-man comes up and pushes the ship into the bridge. now spider-man has to save the people on the ship and on the bridge. cars will be falling into the water, and the bridge would be falling apart.

yea that scene may be a little much, but it would be awesome. there is so much you can do with hydro-man. just my thought:D

[dark_b]

mmhh chameleon, sound s very ordinary, actually all villiams of spiderman are bad, except goblin and venom. sandmas was ok, but see electro or hydroman or chameleaon would be ridiculous, ben sounds a good choice if it wouldnt be venommy thoughts exactly. imo.

[TheSlag]

I agree with you for the most part.

So do you like McConaughey as Venom more than you like Dillon as Venom? I'm not arguing about star power, cause neither of them really has a whole lot of it (McConaughey obviously a little bit more). IMO, Dillon would be a far better Venom with his sheer intensity that he displayed in Crash. I just can't SEE McConaughey as Venom. I CAN see Dillon as that snarling Eddie Brock/Venom though. Just imagine him facing off with Tobey. Dillon would LOOK like an intimidating force compared to Maguire.

Based solely on the character, and no other factors, I would probably choose Dillon. Although I think McConaughey can play the intense side almost, if not, as well. The accent, and playing a NY'er (which I imagine Brock is and should be) would give the edge to Dillon, no other factors considered.

One other thing though is Dillon's age, although he looks younger than he is I think. Brock should be close to Parker's age IMO.

[LarryLegend]

Thing is Topher may be up and coming but I have a hard time seeing him carry a franchise. I mean carrying a show on Fox is alot different.

[War Lord]

Thing is Topher may be up and coming but I have a hard time seeing him carry a franchise. I mean carrying a show on Fox is alot different.

Like carrying a show on NBC, ABC, or CBS is an achievement.

[TheSlag]

Thing is Topher may be up and coming but I have a hard time seeing him carry a franchise. I mean carrying a show on Fox is alot different.

It's an iffy call, I agree. I think they're hoping the role will be a break out one for him, and his official coming out party in movies.

Like I said, would not have been my first choice, but (for me), an interesting one. ALL THIS... assuming he is cast to play Brock. Still not a definite IMO.