The Sarah Connor Chronicles

[Nightmare]

omg susan lucci!!!

[TheFuture]

Hey...at least they're up.

How I met your Mother? Dancing with the Stars? A RECAP of Heroes? The first two are meh, and the 3rd one, well, it's just a mish-mash of a repeat. Can't believe these shows are beating T:SCC.

[JustABill]

What'd the ratings for the actual episode of Heroes look like?

[Angelus7181]

Slightly up, surprise surprise Heroes tops it
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I just want to know if these numbers are good enough to keep the show alive from those evil executives at fox holding the ax? If this show gets cancled I'm done with them!:cmad:

[Not_Sane]

eh, I don't think this show will get cancelled, its a freaking terminator show, a lot of people like terminator. if it does get cancelled they will still air the rest of the season.

[GhostPoet]

wow, the writing has really improved on this show. Did they get new writers? :P Great episode...the next one looks great too.
I actually felt really bad for the husband. Over-all the episode was really intense and well paced. Can't wait to see what happens next.

Here's hoping it's not canceled!!

[The Chris]

Please don't get canceled. I really like Heroes but Terminator has become the best show On monday night. The writing is just so well done now.

[Matt]

I just want to know if these numbers are good enough to keep the show alive from those evil executives at fox holding the ax? If this show gets cancled I'm done with them!:cmad:

You can't blame Fox for this one. They've given it an insane ammount of advertisment and haven't been messing with the time slot. If it fails, Fox is not at fault.

Even with the ratings up...its pretty sad that it got beat by what was essentially a red carpet show for the Heroes premiere. I have a bad feeling that it is going to get slaughtered by Chuck next week and put up numbers to the point where Gossip Girl has a legit chance of catching it. If such a thing happens, its done.

[Matt]

wow, the writing has really improved on this show. Did they get new writers? :P Great episode...the next one looks great too.
I actually felt really bad for the husband. Over-all the episode was really intense and well paced. Can't wait to see what happens next.

Here's hoping it's not canceled!!

The writing has definitely improved this season. Last year it tried too hard to make Sarah come off as philosophical, or whatever and it failed horribly in doing so and just came off as corny. They seem to have dropped that and switched focus to actually developing the characters.

[GhostPoet]

You can't blame Fox for this one. They've given it an insane ammount of advertisment and haven't been messing with the time slot. If it fails, Fox is not at fault.

Even with the ratings up...its pretty sad that it got beat by what was essentially a red carpet show for the Heroes premiere. I have a bad feeling that it is going to get slaughtered by Chuck next week and put up numbers to the point where Gossip Girl has a legit chance of catching it. If such a thing happens, its done.

I'm not so surprised about the red carpet thing. Heroes is MASSIVE. Anything related to it is going to do well.

It did really well considering it was up against the reality show crap.

[LostSon88]

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/09/ask-ausiello--3.html

Question: How bad are the ratings for Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles? -- Dean
Ausiello: Armageddon-like? An SCC insider tells me that if the show's numbers don't start to climb, Fox is unlikely to order any additional episodes beyond the 13 currently in the pipeline. At Saturday's EW pre-Emmy bash, Thomas Dekker remained hopeful that they could hold off doomsday at least until the end of football season. "We¹re up against Monday Night Football," he sighed, "which is tricky because we have a lot of football fans.

:csad:

[Darkfly]

doesn't look very good, TSSC has a pretty big budget & loads of advertising compared to most shows & The Big Bang Theory trumped it even & that costs next nothing when compared to TSSC. I really can't see TSSC getting a another season after this one, I mean the show Drive only got around 6m viewers on average & was cancelled after 1 week & 3 days with a total of 4 episodes shown in that period, & that didn't have a huge advertising campaign or I'm guessing the budget of TSSC.

[zanos]

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/09/ask-ausiello--3.html

Question: How bad are the ratings for Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles? -- Dean
Ausiello: Armageddon-like? An SCC insider tells me that if the show's numbers don't start to climb, Fox is unlikely to order any additional episodes beyond the 13 currently in the pipeline. At Saturday's EW pre-Emmy bash, Thomas Dekker remained hopeful that they could hold off doomsday at least until the end of football season. "We¹re up against Monday Night Football," he sighed, "which is tricky because we have a lot of football fans.

:csad:

Completely predictable. As for their big budget one only wonders where that budget is going.

[Superfreak]

The writing has definitely improved this season. Last year it tried too hard to make Sarah come off as philosophical, or whatever and it failed horribly in doing so and just came off as corny. They seem to have dropped that and switched focus to actually developing the characters.


I know I'm breathing a sigh of relief over that. It was definately the most inappropriate part of the show. It tried to be so hard, that it just came across as a lame attempt to add depth, and came across feeling completely manufactured.

[carrrnuttt]

Slightly up, surprise surprise Heroes tops it
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I ABSOLUTELY hate that vapid show "Dancing with the Stars," for the simple reason that all the mindless minions seem to be tuning in to it, and leaving actual good shows to die. I wish that set would burn down to the ground (without anyone getting hurt, of course).

[GhostPoet]

I ABSOLUTELY hate that vapid show "Dancing with the Stars," for the simple reason that all the mindless minions seem to be tuning in to it, and leaving actual good shows to die. I wish that set would burn down to the ground (without anyone getting hurt, of course).

Agreed 100%!!!!! It's because of crappy shows like Dancing with the Stars that many good shows get missed and lose out.

don't americans have enough drama in their lives without watching it pre-fabricated on tv??

[Gold Samurai]

I know I'm breathing a sigh of relief over that. It was definately the most inappropriate part of the show. It tried to be so hard, that it just came across as a lame attempt to add depth, and came across feeling completely manufactured.

I guess dropping all the philosphical part with Sarah talking about the atom boom is an effort to bring in more people by dumbing down the series.

Fox Executives have told the writers that they are required to start making the show more episodic than arc based so that you can miss episodes and still understand the story.

[Timstuff]

Slightly up, surprise surprise Heroes tops it
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DANCING WITH THE FREAKING STARS CAME IN AT FIRST PLACE!?!

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That is retarded, and it's not even by a little! It's got 12 million more viewers than the runner up! WHY ARE PEOPLE SO STUPID THAT THEY WILL WATCH THIS CRAP INSTEAD OF SHOWS THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WORK HARD ON TO MAKE!? Reality TV is the worst thing to happen to the entertainment industry since the dark ages! Now instead of shows that require talented actors, a clever staff of skilled writers, a producer with vision, and directors who carry it out, now you just take a couple of retards, put them in an artificial scenario, roll the cameras and put it on TV. AND PEOPLE PREFER IT OVER ACTUAL SCRIPTED SHOWS! When Skynet takes over and nukes us all to the apocalypse, our pathetic race will deserve it.

Well, at least TSCC still made the top 5, and it's ratings actually saw a slight viewership increase over last week, even though it lost its 4th place position to Heroes. Now let's hope that The Fringe flops so that Fox will be more dependent on TSCC for ratings!

[mr. peasant]

A lot of parts had me screaming at the tv tonight. Mainly when Sarah stopped the car while that dude's wife was dying and John was being hunted by Cramartie and Sarah freakin just stopped the car and paused. Meanwhile John could be dying. This is supposed to be the same character that was Linda Hamilton where she didnt give a crap about anything. Just hard to believe.

Well, that was pre-Charlie Sarah. It could be argued that since meeting him, she's mellowed a little, at least as far as he's concerned. Otherwise, she wouldn't have tried to rescue his wife in the first place, preventing the entire incident and leaving us with an episode entirely about John clothes shopping with his new girlfriend.


I thought the episode was interesting mainly because of Cromartie's cunning plan but all in all it was a bit silly. I mean, it is very easy to kill John ultimately. Just follow him around with a sniper gun. And anyway let's say what Cromartie really was after is getting John alone, but it's not his mother and his uncle you need to remove but rather Cameron.

Well, Cromartie doesn't know where John and the others live and so part of the plan was to draw John out into the open. Plus, perhaps Cromartie had anticipated Cameron tagging along on the rescue mission.

Couldn't he just wait till john would obviously need to go back for air and then shoot him?

Because John would simply dive as soon as he hears shots being fired and bullets don't really work once they hit water, both in television and in real life (once below a few feet). Plus, Terminators are programmed to learn. And by now, Cromartie has probably realized that as far as John is concerned, he's a horrible shot.

[Sam Fisher]

Slightly up, surprise surprise Heroes tops it
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3264/93864748kz1.jpgWell, at least it beat Gossip Girl:oldrazz:

[Gold Samurai]

Took me awhile to remember this website but its got a good look at the ratings
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/315109161
Prime-Time Ratings:
Monday 9/22/08

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 17.22 million, CBS: 13.13, NBC: 8.58, Fox: 5.87, CW: 3.22

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 4.5 rating/11 share, ABC: 4.3/11, NBC: 4.1/10, Fox: 2.4/ 6, CW: 1.5/ 4

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Dancing With the Stars (ABC), Two and a Half Men (CBS), CSI: Miami (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
The Big Bang Theory (CBS), How I Met Your Mother (CBS)

-Disappointing:
Heroes (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Heroes Clips Show (NBC), Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox), Prison Break (Fox), Worst Week (CBS), Boston Legal (ABC)

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Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Since the level of DVR penetration has increased from 13 percent at this same point last year to approximately 23 percent at present, the overall results may be negatively impacted.\

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-Ratings Breakdown:
Well, folks…let the 2008-09 games begin! On that note…ABC and CBS split leadership on this first Monday of the new season, with dancing ABC the most-watched network and CBS first among adults 18-49. NBC finished a disappointing third, followed by Fox and the CW.

The two-hour season-premiere of ABC’s Dancing With the Stars opened on a very dominant note, with 21.12 million viewers and a 5.3 rating/13 share among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m. Here is the half-hour breakdown:

Dancing With the Stars (ABC)
8:00 p.m. - Viewers: 20.11 million (#1), A18-49: 4.8/13 (#1)
8:30 p.m. - Viewers: 22.01 million (#1), A18-49: 5.5/14 (#1)
9:00 p.m. - Viewers: 21.26 million (#1), A18-49: 5.3/12 (#1t)
9:30 p.m. - Viewers: 21.10 million (#1), A18-49: 5.5/12 (#1)

The year-ago 90-minute season-opener of Dancing With the Stars scored a very similar 21.25 million viewers and a 5.8/15 among adults 18-49 on Sept. 24, 2007. As for the new round of contestants, Lance Bass is the early standout. Sadly, it looks like my personal favorite, Edyta Slininska, will be departing tonight as a result of her clunky partner, comedian Jeffrey Ross. There was nothing funny about his performance last night.

Dancing With the Stars led into the season-premiere of relocated Boston Legal, which squandered the hefty support with a last-place 9.41 million viewers and a 2.4/ 6 among adults 18-49 at 10 p.m. Comparably, retention out of the last half-hour of Dancing With the Stars was just 45 percent in total viewers and 44 percent in the demo. ABC was smart to announce this as Boston Legal’s final season.

CBS featured four season-premieres last night -- The Big Bang Theory, How I Met Your Mother, Two and a Half Men and CSI: Miami -- plus the series-debut of Worst Week. Here are the opening results results:

8:00 p.m. The Big Bang Theory – Viewers: 9.36 million (#2), A18-49: 3.6/10 (#2)
8:30 p.m. How I Met Your Mother – Viewers: 9.74 million (#2), A18-49: 4.0/10 (#2)
9:00 p.m. Two and a Half Men – Viewers: 14.93 million (#2), A18-49: 5.3/12 (#1t)
9:30 p.m. Worst Week – Viewers: 11.04 million (#2), 18-49: 3.8/ 9 (#3)
10:00 p.m. CSI: Miami – Viewers: 16.87 million (#1), A18-49: 5.1/13 (#1)

The returning series were all above year-ago opening levels, but Worst Week dipped by 1.19 million viewers and 16 percent among adults 18-49 from former occupant Rules on Engagement (Viewers: 12.23 million; A18-49: 4.5/10 on Sept. 24, 2007). And the retention out of Two and a Half Men was disappointing at just 74 percent in viewers and 72 percent in the demo. Not a good start. As for The Big Bang Theory, Emmy really needs to take notice of Jim Parsons this season.

The return of Heroes on NBC, meanwhile. was a big disappointment last night. The one-hour clips show was third in the 8 p.m. hour, with 5.96 million viewers and a 2.6/ 7 in the demo. That led into the two-hour season three premiere at just 9.89 million viewers and a 4.9/12 among adults 18-49 from 9-11 p.m. Here is the half-hour breakdown:

Heroes (NBC)
9:00 p.m. – Viewers: 10.15 million (#3), A18-49: 4.8/11 (#3)
9:30 p.m. – Viewers: 10.28 million (#3), A18-49: 5.0/11 (#2)
10:00 p.m. – Viewers: 9.61 million (#3), A18-49: 4.9/12 (#2)
10:30 p.m. – Viewers: 9.52 million (#2), A18-49: 4.8/12 (#2)

One year earlier, Heroes kicked-off the season (on Sept. 24, 2007) with a much heftier 16.97 million viewers and a 7.3/17 among adults 18-49 from 9-10 p.m. Comparably, that’s erosion of a massive 7.08 million viewers and 33 percent in the demo. In other words, absence may not have made the heart grow fonder for fans of Heroes.

Opposite all original competition, Fox’s combination of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Viewers: #4, 5.81 million; A18-49: #4, 2.2/ 6) and Prison Break (Viewers: #4, 5.93 million; A18-49: #4, 2.5/ 6) could not compete. One year earlier, Prison Break at 8 p.m. was considerably stronger at 7.41 million viewers and a 3.1/ 8 in the demo.

The CW capped off the evening with the perfectly compatible combination of Gossip Girl (Viewers: #5, 3.35 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 4) and One Tree Hill (Viewers: 3.10 million; A18-49: 1.5/ 3). Opposite all original competition, the network dipped by just 12 percent in the demo from one week earlier.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

[Lord Blackbolt]

They need to switch the timeslots for both Terminator and Prisonbreak. Heroes and Chuck has the same demographic. There's not that much counter programming going on.

What they should do is move House to Monday and Terminator with Fringe. The two Sci-fi shows would play better off each other. Then they should partner Bones with Prisonbreak.

[M.O.Steel]

what's good on fox on wednesday or thursday. why not have prison break on thursday and house on tuesday and SCC on wednesday.

no one wants friday so that's reserved for cops.

[Timstuff]

I just hope that TSCC can survive football season. If the show's viewership picks up when there are no games on, then maybe Fox will do the smart thing and move it to a night with less lopsided competition, and likewise order 9 more episodes.

[LostSon88]

If the end is indeed near, all I ask is that they close out the series properly.

Don't do it like "Dark Angel" and leave us with a cliffhanger...never to be fulfilled.

I can't tell you how much that pissed me off. :cmad:

If it ends, i'm fine with it...just do it right.

[Gold Samurai]

or

The T-1001 is dead and so is Cromartie but Skynet begins activation. Derek is dead too(to preserve some continuity). John loads his shotgun preparing for the future.......

What it would be like is the Angel series finale.

[LostSon88]

I just want it to end in a resolution. Don't care how, just so long as we know the series is done, finished, complete, etc.

The end is near, I think the writers should treat the final episodes as such.

[M.O.Steel]

it's kinda an unfair to say that the heroes premiere and MNF. either way, it's still not doing as great as they expected...

i liked the trickery played by T888 or whatever it is. and it was so nice of him to come to the funeral.

[Timstuff]

The hard thing about this is line of thinking is, Fox doesn't like to give their writers a whole lot of heads up when they want to cancel a show. Once the show is on its last legs, it's not like Fox says "Alright, you have 5 more episodes to finish up the story, and then you're going off the air." It's more like "Alright, your show isn't getting enough Nielsens. We're pulling the plug before you waste any more of our precious money and air time!" If Fox pulls the plug on TSCC at this point, we will probably die still wondering how it ends. :(

Our best bet at this point: make sure that the Fringe fails miserably. Fox has been grooming that show to be a replacement for TSCC in the scifi demographic, and if it bombs then Fox will have to give TSCC the TLC it deserves, or risk loosing the scifi fan audience altogether. Given what a horrible dropoff The Fringe has had since its premier, while TSCC has actually been showing modest improvement despite it having an extremely competitive time slot, I think we may end up getting just that. With the Fringe out of the picture, Fox will probably re-locate the show's resources towards TSCC to make sure they don't lose that genre altogether.

[Gold Samurai]

Wow she's aged to put it politely
Y'all remember Linda Hamilton, right?

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Well here's why she won't be on TSCC:


http://www.geocities.com/sonikboom612/after.jpg

[LostSon88]

Good lord! :wow:

[Ocramed]

Good lord! :wow:

Well, she could easily be in the movie version still as the mother of Christian Bale's John Connor. And even though they SAY she died of cancer, who is to say that she can come back because of:

a) faking her "death" (didn't see the body)
b) a Terminator in disguised.

O.

[LostSon88]

The Salvation acknowledges T3 happened, they can't do that. The T-850 specifically stated that Sarah Connor was cremated.

Only a flashback would work.

[Nightmare]

That picture looks fake.

[Timstuff]

Isn't that from the alternate ending for T2? :huh:

[DACrowe]

Well it looks like the end is acomin'. Can't say I didn't forsee this given the ratings, but it is depressing. A tightly written show that after a few missteps at the beginning has only gotten better with an excellent cast and intriguing and sometimes addicting story arcs that are not dragged out for eons (I'm looking at you Lost) stands up...to be cancelled before finishing it second season.

Well I honestly have a sinking feeling we may only see up to episode 5 on TV and 6-13 will be made available online (like another great failed show, The Black Donnellys) before vanishing into obscurity and pop-culture mockery on VH1.

Too bad. I hope we get some answers as to who Cameron is, why Ellison was spared and what exactly Weaver is doing before the season ends. In any case, it is still a preferred alternative to T3.

[Timstuff]

Don't be a complete prophet of doom. Keep in mind that this show belongs to Warner Bros. just as much as it does Fox. If fox drops it (which they'd have to be total tards to do), then there's the possibility of Warner Bros. moving it to another network. This show has a very strong cult following, and personally I'd follow it to wherever it goes after fox. Heck, even the CW would be okay with me as long as the cast, writers, and producers remain in place (although I'd be somewhat afraid of them focusing too much on John / Cameron pining, and not enough on the actual Skynet plot since the CW doesn't like catering towards non-teenage non-girls).

[DACrowe]

What were Fringe's ratings this week? Were they down and how many viewers overall?

[Superfreak]

Don't be a complete prophet of doom. Keep in mind that this show belongs to Warner Bros. just as much as it does Fox. If fox drops it (which they'd have to be total tards to do), then there's the possibility of Warner Bros. moving it to another network. This show has a very strong cult following, and personally I'd follow it to wherever it goes after fox. Heck, even the CW would be okay with me as long as the cast, writers, and producers remain in place (although I'd be somewhat afraid of them focusing too much on John / Cameron pining, and not enough on the actual Skynet plot since the CW doesn't like catering towards non-teenage non-girls).

I honestly don't know if i could stomach WB take TSCC over to CW

[Kable24]

I missed the last 2 minutes of TSCC on Monday. The last thing I saw was John and Charley hugging at the hospital. Did Cromartie come out the water? Anyone fill me in on this please.

[GhostPoet]

To be honest...it seems all the best shows are not doing as well as they normally would...is it because of the current crop of reality shows new eps?

[Kable24]

2 of my favs have already been canceled this season. I guess it's only a matter of time before FOX dumps this like they do all of there shows that are ratings winners.

[TheFuture]

I missed the last 2 minutes of TSCC on Monday. The last thing I saw was John and Charley hugging at the hospital. Did Cromartie come out the water? Anyone fill me in on this please.

Cromartie came out of water, Charley's wife is dead.

[Kable24]

Cromartie came out of water, Charley's wife is dead.

OK, so I didn't miss anything. I figured Charley's wife was dead and I thought I saw Cromartie coming out of the water. Damn DVR had to switch over to recording Heroes because I had overlapped recordings.

[DACrowe]

It is online. But Cromarite comes out of the water. Charlie and Ellison are at his wife's funeral. Charlie doesn't take Ellison's support and throws Ellison's Bible in the grave with his wife and walks away, while Cromartie watches from a distance (dressed in black at least). The four main characters sit at the dinner table all sad, it looks like Derek is praying, no one says anything and Sarah pats Cameron on the shoulder and sits down all broody.

The end.

[Gold Samurai]

What were Fringe's ratings this week? Were they down and how many viewers overall?
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/952103261

Even HOUSE isn't doing well

Prime-Time Ratings:
Tuesday 9/23/08

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 14.88 million, ABC: 14.34, Fox: 10.90, NBC: 7.96, CW: 2.41

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 4.5 rating/12 share, ABC: 3.7/10, CBS: 3.3/ 9, NBC: 3.2/ 8, CW: 1.2/ 3

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
NCIS (CBS), Dancing With the Stars (ABC), The Mentalist (CBS)

-Down But Far From Out:
House (Fox)

-Honorable Mention:
Without a Trace (CBS)

-Disappointing:
Law & Order: SVU (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Opportunity Knocks (ABC), Privileged (CW)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS and Fox shared leadership on this first Tuesday of the 2008-09 season, with CBS the most-watched network (540,000 viewers ahead of ABC) and Fox No. 1 among adults 18-49. ABC finished second in second in both categories, with NBC fourth and the CW fifth.

The season-premiere of CBS’ underrated NCIS was first from 8-9 p.m. in total viewers, with a healthy 17.72 million and second among adults 18-49, with a 3.5 rating/10 share in the demo. Compared to year-ago opening levels (Viewers: 13.89 million; A18-49: 3.2/ 9 on Sept. 25, 2007), this is an increase of 3.83 million viewers and nine percent in the demo. How do you like that NCIS?

NCIS led into the series-premiere of The Mentalist, which was amply sampled at 15.55 million viewers (#2) and a 3.5/ 9 among adults 18-49 (#3) at 9 p.m. opposite the first hour of ABC’s Dancing With the Stars. Retention out of the second half of NCIS (Viewers: 18.38 million; A18-49: 3.6/10 at 8:30 p.m.) was a solid 85 percent in viewers and 97 percent among adults 18-49. And compared to year-ago occupant The Unit (Viewers: 10.70 million; A18-49: 2.8/ 7 on Sept. 25, 2007), The Mentalist was up by a whopping 4.85 million viewers and 25 percent in the demo. Needless to say, this is an excellent start.

The season-premiere of CBS’ relocated Without a Trace at 10 p.m. was second in total viewers (11.38 million) and third among adults 18-49 (2.8/ 7). What is particularly positive about these initial results were 1.86 million more viewers than NBC’s competing Law & Order: SVU (keep reading). Year-ago failed CBS occupant Cane opened with 11.21 million viewers and a 3.0/ 8 in the demo.

ABC got off to a sluggish start with the debut of inane game show Opportunity Knocks at just 6.63 million viewers (#4) and a 1.8/ 5 among adults 18-49 (#4) at 8 p.m. Considering the network only has two new series on the fall schedule, it could have done better anchoring Tuesday. Opportunity Knocks led into another two-hour edition of Dancing With the Stars, which dominated the 9-11 p.m. block with a rock-solid 18.20 million viewers and a 4.7/12 among adults 18-49 from 9-11 p.m. Here is the half-hour breakdown:

Dancing With the Stars (ABC)
9:00 p.m. – Viewers: 16.76 million (#1), A18-49: 4.1/11 (#2)
9:30 p.m. – Viewers: 18.98 million (#1), A18-49: 4.8/12 (#1)
10:00 p.m. – Viewers: 18.86 million (#1), A18-49: 5.0/13 (#1)
10:30 p.m. – Viewers: 18.18 million (#1), A18-49: 4.8/13 (#1)

As predicted, Jeffrey Ross was the first “celebrity” to be voted off. Now I think Kim Kardashian will be next.

Fox won the night among adults 18-49 with its combination of House (Viewers: #2: 12.14 million; A18-49: #1, 4.9/14) and Fringe (Viewers: #3, 9.65 million; A18-49: #2, 4.2/10), which fits well out of House. But year-to-year, House (which aired Tuesday at 9 p.m.) dipped by a mammoth 6.17 million viewers (18.31 to 12.14) and 37 percent among adults 18-49 (7.8/13 to 4.9/14).

Over at NBC, two-hour The Biggest Loser scored a respectable 7.18 million viewers and a 2.9/ 8 among adults 18-49 opposite some heavy competition from 8-10 p.m. Here is the half-hour breakdown:

The Biggest Loser (NBC)
8:00 p.m. – Viewers: 6.21 million (#3), A18-49: 2.4/ 7 (#3)
8:30 p.m. – Viewers: 7.08 million (#4), A18-49: 2.8/ 7 (#3)
9:00 p.m. – Viewers: 7.57 million (#4), A18-49: 3.2/ 8 (#4)
9:30 p.m. – Viewers: 7.88 million (#4), A18-49: 3.4/ 8 (#4)

At 10 p.m. on NBC was the season-premiere of veteran Law & Order: SVU at a diluted 9.52 million viewers (#3) and a 3.7/10 among adults 18-49 (#2). Year-to-year, that was a decrease of a hefty 2.60 million viewers (12.12 to 9.52 million) and 23 percent among adults 18-49 (4.8/13 to 3.7/10).

The CW capped off Tuesday with 90210 (Viewers: #5, 2.96 million; A18-49: #4, 1.8/ 5) and Privileged (Viewers: #5, 1.86 million; A18-49: #5, 0.9/ 2), which lost steam from one year earlier. On the year-ago evening, Reaper debuted in the 9 p.m. hour with 3.28 million viewers and a 1.5/ 4 among adults 18-49. As for 90210, doesn’t the actress who is playing Lori Loughlin’s daughter look exactly like her?

And there you have it…the first Tuesday of the new season!

[Gold Samurai]

Reminder: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is going on hiatus for Baseball Playoffs. As of this moment it is still not canceled. Also Fox just began work on a video game based on the series.

[Gold Samurai]

new info not surprised about Ellison

While we haven't heard anything about if Fox has approved the additional season order, we have found some things that are planned for it.

Richard T. Jones (speaking to Sci-Fi wire) has revealed the following.
This may surprise some people
Ellison allies himself with the Terminators.

What Friedman says
"I think everybody sort of assumed now that he knows there are Terminators, he's just going to go team up with the Connors and become more of a student to them, which is why I really didn't want to do that. I figured that's what we all expect. There are other ways for him to get through the day and other motivations for him and curiosities."

[M.O.Steel]

Reminder: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is going on hiatus for Baseball Playoffs. As of this moment it is still not canceled. Also Fox just began work on a video game based on the series.

from this upcoming week?

[Timstuff]

Also Fox just began work on a video game based on the series.

Two words:

Bad ass! :word:

[Nightmare]

Reminder: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is going on hiatus for Baseball Playoffs. As of this moment it is still not canceled. Also Fox just began work on a video game based on the series.

Bold: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Red: WTF?

[The Apatow Crew]

what's good on fox on wednesday or thursday. why not have prison break on thursday and house on tuesday and SCC on wednesday.

no one wants friday so that's reserved for cops.Well, there's Bones on at 8pm (One of my fav shows on fox) and on at 9-10 spot. two comedies.



If the end is indeed near, all I ask is that they close out the series properly.

Don't do it like "Dark Angel" and leave us with a cliffhanger...never to be fulfilled.

I can't tell you how much that pissed me off. :cmad:

If it ends, i'm fine with it...just do it right.I know that pissed me off, so much to be left on that point to be never fullfilled. also like the show Fastlane. It had a full seaon and ended on a cliffhanger.

[M.O.Steel]

has there ever been a good terminator game? was 24 the game any good.

[Nightmare]

I predict it'll be as bad as Terminator: Dawn of Fate. Hope im wrong though.

[M.O.Steel]

Well, there's Bones on at 8pm (One of my fav shows on fox) and on at 9-10 spot. two comedies.



I know that pissed me off, so much to be left on that point to be never fullfilled. also like the show Fastlane. It had a full seaon and ended on a cliffhanger.

Las Vegas :csad:

i have a bad feeling in my stomach that this will end in a similar fate. i honestly hope they know ahead of time and give us an amazing finale.

[Timstuff]

has there ever been a good terminator game?

Terminator 2 in the arcades was a total blast. I sank many a quarter into that one. Terminator 3: Redemption was pretty good (just do not confuse it with the amazingly awful Rise of the Machines game).

was 24 the game any good.

It was decent. It was not spectacular, but as far as games based on TV shows go it was actually pretty good.

[The Apatow Crew]

Las Vegas :csad:

i have a bad feeling in my stomach that this will end in a similar fate. i honestly hope they know ahead of time and give us an amazing finale.I watched Las Vegas up intil a point where they kept moving it around and lost track of it. So it never got a proper series finale?

[M.O.Steel]

I predict it'll be as bad as Terminator: Dawn of Fate. Hope im wrong though.

yeah i'm pretty sure it'll be worse. at least DoF had a purpose of trying to be a videogame. games based of other media are generallly terrible (there are exceptions, i'll let you know if i can think of any)

[M.O.Steel]

I watched Las Vegas up intil a point where they kept moving it around and lost track of it. So it never got a proper series finale?

yeah i know, i watched on TNT (everyday at 1200)...and i happened to watch it the day the pilot aired, and i was hooked. but i thought it was always monday night.

nope, it ended with the cliffhanger in hopes to resolve in the sixth season. and especially with trash like knight rider making it...man o man...there was even a campaign similar to jericho to get it back on the air, or at least to get a 1 hour or 2 hour series finale, but didn't pan out.

[The Apatow Crew]

yeah i know, i watched on TNT (everyday at 1200)...and i happened to watch it the day the pilot aired, and i was hooked. but i thought it was always monday night.

nope, it ended with the cliffhanger in hopes to resolve in the sixth season. and especially with trash like knight rider making it...man o man...there was even a campaign similar to jericho to get it back on the air, or at least to get a 1 hour or 2 hour series finale, but didn't pan out.That sucks. the good shows die whikle the crappy reality/game shows continue on.:csad:

[Timstuff]

Oh, and I forgot: there was also a video game based on the first Terminator film, made for the Sega CD. It apparently was decent, but a bit annoying in terms of the difficulty level. It had good graphics and music for a Genesis game though, from what I've seen.

[M.O.Steel]

do you play as reese? not arnold i'm assuming?

[Nightmare]

I remember playing as reese on NES terminator game.

[Timstuff]

do you play as reese? not arnold i'm assuming?

Yeah, you played as Reese. You started out in the future and then went back in time.

Here's a video, if anyone's interested.

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There was also an SNES game based on the first Terminator movie, but it sucked.

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And, I might as well toss the NES one in here too. ;)

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If I was going to do a new Terminator game today, I'd definitely have you playing as Reese in the future. It'd be kind of like Gears of War. You'd run around looking for cover while getting blasted at by robots, and occasionally you'd find awesome stuff to use like mounted energy guns and possibly even a mech walker. :word:

[GhostPoet]

has there ever been a good terminator game? was 24 the game any good.


Robocop vs Terminator on the Genesis was actually A LOT of fun. :) Nice graphics too.

[Dave McFly]

i did not know they did a Terminator game for Sega CD. I knew they did a Genesis one.

[Banshee]

Damn it. It really isn't looking good is it...

If WB owns it, could they not sell it to sci-fi channel or another station... not CW?

[Banshee]

Oh, and I'm sure this has already been touched on, and I usually avoid fanboy squeels about hot girls, but holy **** Riley's boobs were bursting out of that dress.

[Timstuff]

Damn it. It really isn't looking good is it...

If WB owns it, could they not sell it to sci-fi channel or another station... not CW?

They could sell it to anyone pretty much, although I wouldn't say Sci Fi channel would be much of an improvement over the CW. Sci Fi channel shows are usually done with nickle and dime budgets, and TSCC is a pretty expensive show. I don't think it'd make a very smooth transition from network TV to cable. I think the first place they'd probably be best off trying would be NBC, since they seem to have been fairly friendly towards action TV shows recently.

We shouldn't get too far ahead of ourselves with all this negative thinking though! It's true that Fox does live to cancel good TV shows, but this show still has some fight left in it. If it survives football season, then the next 9 episodes should be good to go.

[Timstuff]

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29

--"TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES"(8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) CC-HDTV 720p-Dolby Digital 5.1

PA: Viewer discretion is advised.

CLUES FROM CAMERON'S PAST ARE REVEALED ON "TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES" MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, ON FOX

A software glitch causes Cameron to forget who she is. She goes missing from the Connors and is taken in by a street kid named Jody. Cameron and Jody end up at a halfway house where Cameron meets with a social worker who uncovers some of Cameron's distant memories. Meanwhile, Catherine Weaver meets with Agent Ellison to discuss his future at Zeira Corp, and Ellison does some digging into Weaver's past in the "Allison from Palmdale" episode of TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES airing Monday, Sept. 29 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (SCC-204) (TV-14 L, V)

Cast: Lena Headey as Sarah Connor; Thomas Dekker as John Connor; Summer Glau as Cameron; Brian Austin Green as Derek Reese; Richard T. Jones as James Ellison; Garret Dillahunt as Cromartie; Shirley Manson as Catherine Weaver; Leven Rambin as Riley

Okay, this sounds really interesting. If Cameron has "amnesia," I wonder how she's going to function autonomously? Terminators typically operate directly within context to their orders, and when their mission is complete, we've typically been shown that they find some dark hole somewhere and power down, or they move on to a secondary objective. If Cameron loses her identity, is it possible that she will not even remember that she is a machine? Would she just assume that she is a misfit, and try to live as a human girl without any mission priorities?

Also, as we saw in the episode preview this week, there's going to be flashbacks about her origins of some kind... I know Josh Friedman said a while back that this season they're going to focus "more on what it means to be a cyborg than Cameron looking for humanity," but I can't help but wonder... He did say Cameron is, after all, a cyborg, which is not the same as saying "she's a machine." I think we may very well see that Cameron has more in common with human beings than she's let on this far.

[Timstuff]

Is it just me, or when Cameron said "I don't swim" at the pier in 203, was there more to it than her simply telling John she couldn't jump in and help him out of the water? The way John had been treating her earlier in the episode had been downright mean and immature, and I think that Cameron may have, in her own way, had her feelings hurt. I got the feeling that she was mad at John, and saying "I don't swim" was her way of saying "This time, you can get yourself out of this mess." Also, if you'll notice, she seemed kind of annoyed when John told her to drop off Riley for him. John treated her like crap for the whole episode, so IMO he had more than earned the cold shoulder from Cameron by that point.

[Golgo-13]

Is it just me, or when Cameron said "I don't swim" at the pier in 203, was there more to it than her simply telling John she couldn't jump in and help him out of the water? The way John had been treating her earlier in the episode had been downright mean and immature, and I think that Cameron may have, in her own way, had her feelings hurt. I got the feeling that she was mad at John, and saying "I don't swim" was her way of saying "This time, you can get yourself out of this mess." Also, if you'll notice, she seemed kind of annoyed when John told her to drop off Riley for him. John treated her like crap for the whole episode, so IMO he had more than earned the cold shoulder from Cameron by that point.

That's what i got room the scene too.

[Nightmare]

Me too, but a terminator couldnt get her feelings hurt could it?

[LostSon88]

But at the same time...she did try to kill him a few days/weeks ago.

Though I guess he did kind of forgive her, you could say that he's still a little resentful.

I would be.

[Timstuff]

Me too, but a terminator couldnt get her feelings hurt could it?

Cameron is more than just a machine, as has been hinted at throughout the show. She may be a cyborg, but that doesn't mean she's not a person. I think that the next episode is going to shed even more light on how much of Cameron is a person rather than a machine.

But at the same time...she did try to kill him a few days/weeks ago.

Though I guess he did kind of forgive her, you could say that he's still a little resentful.

I would be.

John is not resentful to Cameron because she tried to kill him. I think John is resentful towards her because he risked his life and went against his family to save her, and the most she could say was "you can no longer be trusted." Not even so much as a "thank you," let alone hugs and kisses. I think John is frustrated with his seeming inability to find a mutual connection with Cameron, and so he decided to give up and treat her like a machine. However, I think Cameron showed in the last episode that that's not necessarily how she wants to be treated. Episode 201 put them in a very awkward situation, and it certainly hasn't helped the awkwardness that they already had going.

[Nightmare]

Maybe Cameron is like how Marcus from T:S is rumored to be. A machine with the heart of a human.

[M.O.Steel]

Is it just me, or when Cameron said "I don't swim" at the pier in 203, was there more to it than her simply telling John she couldn't jump in and help him out of the water? The way John had been treating her earlier in the episode had been downright mean and immature, and I think that Cameron may have, in her own way, had her feelings hurt. I got the feeling that she was mad at John, and saying "I don't swim" was her way of saying "This time, you can get yourself out of this mess." Also, if you'll notice, she seemed kind of annoyed when John told her to drop off Riley for him. John treated her like crap for the whole episode, so IMO he had more than earned the cold shoulder from Cameron by that point.

interesting point, but i don't think there's really anythign more to it than she can't swim. i mean, she got to the point where john was with the intention of saving him.

[M.O.Steel]

Maybe Cameron is like how Marcus from T:S is rumored to be. A machine with the heart of a human.

please tell me you meant figuratively...for the love of god please tell thats a metaphor?

[Nightmare]

Thats a rumor i read a while ago..

[LostSon88]

please tell me you meant figuratively...for the love of god please tell thats a metaphor?

Well the rumor regarding Marcus is that he's moreso a cyborg with both human and terminator parts...as opposed to being a full on terminator.

So the idea of him having a heart isn't out of the question...

[Nightmare]

I think Cameron feels like John's cheating on her with the Blonde chick and she's Jealous.

[LostSon88]

He's not cheating on her...they're not a couple.

She is jealous though. I don't think its wise to make a terminator jealous...

:wow:

[Nightmare]

Yeah, no wonder she's already tried to kill him. Plus we already know she's a crazy jealous terminator "i love you john and you love me!!!"

[Gold Samurai]

For those that didn't see that rumor
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/06/03/what-has-the-endingmega-spoiler-for-terminator-4-been-revealed/
“Alright so the main character is a cyborg named Marcus. For some background, Marcus was a criminal who was executed in 2003. He donated his body to Project Angel which was involved with SkyNet. They take his body and make a terminator out of him so he’s a terminator skeleton but has living muscle/skin and a beating heart too. At the end of the movie John Connor is fighting a T800 model 101 and loses. He dies and the top resistance people come up with a plan to help the resistance keep fighting on. The resistance feels that it’s important to keep the image or idea that John Connor is still alive so the resistance keeps going. So they rip off Marcus’ skin and put John Connor’s on the skeleton so now Marcus is John Connor.”

yeah it has been proven false but what rumor lol

[Nightmare]

The end part is just horrible.

[Timstuff]

Yeah, that would have been a franchise killer.

[Scar Predator]

Oh, and I'm sure this has already been touched on, and I usually avoid fanboy squeels about hot girls, but holy **** Riley's boobs were bursting out of that dress.

Hey, don't sweat it. I like bigger women and the first time Leven ( who I didn't know before TSCC ) showed up, my first thought was, " If I was half the age I am now, I'd walk through fire for a woman built like that.":woot:

[LostSon88]

For those that didn't see that rumor
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/06/03/what-has-the-endingmega-spoiler-for-terminator-4-been-revealed/


yeah it has been proven false but what rumor lol

Has it been proven false?!?! :wow:

As far as I know, McG when asked, didn't confirm nor deny it...

Please tell me it's has been proven as bs.

[zanos]

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29

--"TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES"(8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) CC-HDTV 720p-Dolby Digital 5.1

PA: Viewer discretion is advised.

CLUES FROM CAMERON'S PAST ARE REVEALED ON "TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES" MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, ON FOX

A software glitch causes Cameron to forget who she is. She goes missing from the Connors and is taken in by a street kid named Jody. Cameron and Jody end up at a halfway house where Cameron meets with a social worker who uncovers some of Cameron's distant memories. Meanwhile, Catherine Weaver meets with Agent Ellison to discuss his future at Zeira Corp, and Ellison does some digging into Weaver's past in the "Allison from Palmdale" episode of TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES airing Monday, Sept. 29 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (SCC-204) (TV-14 L, V)

Cast: Lena Headey as Sarah Connor; Thomas Dekker as John Connor; Summer Glau as Cameron; Brian Austin Green as Derek Reese; Richard T. Jones as James Ellison; Garret Dillahunt as Cromartie; Shirley Manson as Catherine Weaver; Leven Rambin as Riley

Okay, this sounds really interesting. If Cameron has "amnesia," I wonder how she's going to function autonomously? Terminators typically operate directly within context to their orders, and when their mission is complete, we've typically been shown that they find some dark hole somewhere and power down, or they move on to a secondary objective. If Cameron loses her identity, is it possible that she will not even remember that she is a machine? Would she just assume that she is a misfit, and try to live as a human girl without any mission priorities?

Also, as we saw in the episode preview this week, there's going to be flashbacks about her origins of some kind... I know Josh Friedman said a while back that this season they're going to focus "more on what it means to be a cyborg than Cameron looking for humanity," but I can't help but wonder... He did say Cameron is, after all, a cyborg, which is not the same as saying "she's a machine." I think we may very well see that Cameron has more in common with human beings than she's let on this far.

It's lame s**t like this why the ratings are so bad. The executive producers on this show are about as clueless as the ones from smallville. It's no wonder why TSCC has been referred to as the smallville of the Terminator franchise by some.

[Timstuff]

Fans wanted more Cameron, so they're giving her her own episode. I don't see how you can interperate that as a bad thing. :huh:

[Darkfly]

89% of the reason I watch TSCC is because of Summer Glau

...

...

...

...

...ok 100%

[Timstuff]

LOL, it's probably not quite that high for me, but she is one of the primary reasons why I love the show as much as I do. I'm very eager to see the next episode. :D

[Golgo-13]

Lena Headey's my attraction. :heart:

[Gold Samurai]

Lena looks like she can be a rocker chick with a hot wild side. She reminds me of Megan Fox but 20 years older
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2185/066681234934aan1122547lug1.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/143/lenaheadeyxy4.jpg

Fitting that Brian Austin Green is dating Megan Fox then...

[DACrowe]

More like 12 years, but okay. I say she is better than Fox, because Fox drips porn star on her face and tattoos and such.

I am disappointed Cameron is going to go haywire...again, in the next episode. But if it is a vehicle to d iscover her past, okay.

[Gold Samurai]

New resistance fighter
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/09/ask-ausiello--2.html?iid=top25-20080917-Ask+Ausiello:+Spoilers+on+'Grey's+Anatomy,'+'Super natural,'+'Friday+Night+Lights,'+'Prison+Break,'+' Ugly+Betty,'+and+More!

Question: Any word on the status of Sarah Connor Chronicles? -- Charles
Ausiello: I'm a little worried. The ratings for the second episode sucked big time, and if the free fall continues, I honestly don't see how Fox can afford to keep it on the air. Very frustrating. Maybe this exclusive little casting scoopbit will help get those numbers up: Stephanie Jacobsen (Kendra Shaw of BSG: Razor) is joining the cast as a love interest for Derek (Brian Austin Green).

The guys have love interests but not the girls. Sarah gets that pregnant woman played by Busy Phillips. Cameron is probably jealous of John and Riley

[Spider-Bite]

New resistance fighter
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/09/ask-ausiello--2.html?iid=top25-20080917-Ask+Ausiello:+Spoilers+on+'Grey's+Anatomy,'+'Super natural,'+'Friday+Night+Lights,'+'Prison+Break,'+' Ugly+Betty,'+and+More!



The guys have love interests but not the girls. Sarah gets that pregnant woman played by Busy Phillips. Cameron is probably jealous of John and Riley

Sarah already had a love interest.

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Lena looks like she can be a rocker chick with a hot wild side. She reminds me of Megan Fox but 20 years older
Lena would break you -or anyone- and your bed in half. Megan Fox..? Eh. Yawn.

[Nightmare]

Mmmm Megan Fox.

[Gold Samurai]

Sarah already had a love interest.

this year

[Lord Blackbolt]

They should go into the past of Sarah more. I mean we never really got to know her parents. I think the Terminator killed them....but what if terminators went far in the past to try and kill sarah's father. Also...we do know the resistance went back into the 50's. So why didn't skynet?

[M.O.Steel]

why? i really dont' think she was interesting at all before her days waiting tables. i thought that was the point of the movie, to show how in an instance, you go from a ordinary person to the mother of the savior of humanity.

[Gold Samurai]

They should go into the past of Sarah more. I mean we never really got to know her parents. I think the Terminator killed them....but what if terminators went far in the past to try and kill sarah's father. Also...we do know the resistance went back into the 50's. So why didn't skynet?

Well Skynet's database wasn't exact. Remember in part 1 the T-800 went after anyone with the last name "Connor" .

There were two Sarah Connors in 1984 and the terminator killed one then moved on to Sarah

[Nightmare]

They went back to the 50s? For what?

[LostSon88]

To leave time traveling parts for Cameron, John and Sarah to one day find to build the time machine that sent them to 2007...

At the time, the bank, in which they hid the parts, was being constructed.

[Superfreak]

They should go into the past of Sarah more. I mean we never really got to know her parents. I think the Terminator killed them....but what if terminators went far in the past to try and kill sarah's father. Also...we do know the resistance went back into the 50's. So why didn't skynet?

Sarah's mother was killed in 'the Terminator' (she was at the cottage, arnold replaced her, so that Sarah would unknowingly give him the address to the Tiki motel)

Skynet knew nothing about John Connor, except for his last name, and his mother's name. Hence why the 2 Sarah Connor's in the phone book before her were killed first (we only saw one get killed). 'The terminator was just being systematic'. It was actually the fact that both Sarah Connor's were killed before our Sarah Connor, that motivated Sarah to actually contact Traxler, she though she was being hunted by the 'phone book killer'

As others have said before, Sarah really wasn't all that interesting before the terminator. ****ty waitress is not an interesting exciting story, not in this genre atleast. Why is she a ****ty waitress: judging from her roomate Ginger, and the fact that she banged a virgin only a day after meeting him.

And as for resistance members going back farther than 1980s: theoretically, they could go back to any time before 1980 in order to prep the resistance (time machines and all). Where/when they land would be irrelevant, just as long as they can complete the mission... that the thing about time travel. As long as enough time exists to complete the mission, when and where time travellers arrive is irrelevant. They just need a window long enough to lets say 'build a time machine' before that time machine is needed.

[Nightmare]

To leave time traveling parts for Cameron, John and Sarah to one day find to build the time machine that sent them to 2007...

At the time, the bank, in which they hid the parts, was being constructed.

ohh, that makes sense.

Tonight's show should be good. Im looking forward to terminator Cameron talking to Human Cameron.

[Gold Samurai]

TVGuide is reporting that Fox is, despite the low numbers, happy with the hold that Terminator has shown to the core viewers and against stiff competition.

On TerminatorFiles Josh Friedman posted recently that they've been pretty much guaranteed the back nine episodes.

[Golgo-13]

Allison Young

[JustABill]

OMG. Ugly Cross Dressing Pedophile! :wow:

I can't believe they put that in there.

[Matt]

TVGuide is reporting that Fox is, despite the low numbers, happy with the hold that Terminator has shown to the core viewers and against stiff competition.

On TerminatorFiles Josh Friedman posted recently that they've been pretty much guaranteed the back nine episodes.

Hmm...Fox said the same thing about Arrested Development right before axing it. In fact, they talked about signing it for 2 more seasons. Fox just likes to screw with your head.

[The Guardian]

WOW, THAT WAS VERY REVEALING!!!:eek::up::D:up:

[Gold Samurai]

Fox is skynet!

If skynet used open source linux instead of windows, Carmeon would still know her name.

That explains it, Cameron is Vista

[Matt]

Fox is skynet!

If skynet used open source linux instead of windows, Carmeon would still know her name.

That explains it, Cameron is Vista

:wow: Scariest twist of all.

Why all the focus on Allison Taylor (in the future)? What makes her such an important prisoner to warrant the interrogation she recieved? I wonder, could Allison Taylor have been John Connor's lover? Remember the dialogue from the first episode? "I love you John, and you love me!" Could that be why Skynet was so focused on capturing and impersonating her? To kill John?

[Golgo-13]

^.That's my theory too.


Yeah, 24!

[Savage]

...:eek:...TWIST! (kind of, in a way)

[Matt]

Why does a creepy machine woman have a child?

[Symbiotic]

A pint-sized terminator?:woot:

[Matt]

A terminator and a ginger child. Absolutely terrifying. :wow:

[CFE]

It's fascinating watching a good actor (Richard T. Jones) performing with a mediocre one (Shirley Manson)...

There's a definate difference.

One handed neck snap FTW!!! :eek: :up:

CFE

[Savage]

Maybe she can split herself as well.

[The Guardian]

WOW, AWESOME EPISODE, CAMERON'S A TICKING TIME BOMB!!!:eek::up::D:up:

[Golgo-13]

Maybe she can split herself as well.

That'd go cool to see.

[The Major]

It's fascinating watching a good actor (Richard T. Jones) performing with a mediocre one (Shirley Manson)...

There's a definate difference.

You're being generous calling Manson's acting mediocre.

One handed neck snap FTW!!! :eek: :up:

M M
:D

[Savage]

I am so unbelievably confused about the allegiance of this thing.

[CFE]

Well I didn't want to step on toes and call her god-awful...lol

CFE

[CFE]

Dide you see what the bald Terminator was packing!?

45 Long Slide with Laser Sighting!!!! :eek:

CFE

[Golgo-13]

I hope that this is just a taste of Cameron's past, and that she's not just some randomn person Skynet picked to copy and send after Conners. I hope her relationship, or her position in the resisitance ,is touched upon later.....

..........................over to Heroes.

[dimmutaker]

WOW great episode!!!!... Looking foward to the rest of the season.

[Symbiotic]

Dide you see what the bald Terminator was packing!?

45 Long Slide with Laser Sighting!!!! :eek:

CFEI didn't, but good eye. Looking forward to next week's episode.

[Matt]

So the episode that promised to answer questions, answered absolutely nothing and just created new questions?

[Symbiotic]

So the episode that promised to answer questions, answered absolutely nothing and just created new questions?Agreed.

[CFE]

Well from the look of things, the next episode will be picking up some sense of momentum with John starting on the path to becoming a true soldier.

CFE

[Matt]

Well from the look of things, the next episode will be picking up some sense of momentum with John starting on the path to becoming a true soldier.

CFE

Still, pretty sad that the most useful thing to come out of the episode that promised us "All the answers," was Sarah meeting someone who can take John to a shooting range in a second rate subplot.

[Gold Samurai]

Looks like we get another throw away terminator(I don't recognize that guy) next week when John and Derek go on a gun trip

"Did you kill her?"

"Apparently not."



This episode brought more theories and questions. I think weaver's "daughter" is a piece of her liquid metal.

Also for those that missed the news blurb on page 120
Some new information

- Arnold's actual .45 long slide from The Terminator will be used.

- A famous location from the first film is being revisited. They won't specify which location, but it will appear in potentially more than one episode. Here's what was specifically said.

TERMINATORFILES (http://www.terminatorfiles.com/news/2008/2008-09-12-b.htm):
There's a really cool thing. There's an episode coming up where we use a set that's been redressed--I won't say [what]--but it's a really famous set from the first movie and a very famous location from the first movie, [which] we use as a very significant location in one of the next few episodes. I won't say what it is, just because it's more fun that way. ... Our location scout called us up and said, "You're not going to believe where we can shoot." It's like, yeah! We're shooting there. We definitely do stuff. We have Arnie's original gun from the first movie in our show this year. The actual prop, yeah.

- More characters from the future will be appearing this season.



They already showed the gas station at the end of the first movie last week

[CFE]

Still, pretty sad that the most useful thing to come out of the episode that promised us "All the answers," was Sarah meeting someone who can take John to a shooting range in a second rate subplot.

True.

CFE

[draculaakumajou]

it was a good episode

[Golgo-13]

I honestly expected more of Allison's/Cameron's back story.

[DACrowe]

Well I thought the episode was decent. I guess I, like many, was so hyped to see the "Cameron backstory episode," that it was bound to disappoint.

I think the big problem was the Busty Phillips story is just a waste of time and I don't give two ****s about her being anything more than a stock character. I know they needed Sarah to do something, but I felt like that side was killing time.

Cameron's story was very good though. Her short-circuiting was very intriguing to watch. This is the second time for it to happen this season and the third time she begins thinking independently away from her programming and I theorize that if this show gets to the end of the season, there will be some MAJOR revelations about Cameron.

As is, tonight's episode had some surprising moments. I have a feeling Alison Young (if that is her name) was someone close to John who was terminated. I do not think they intentionally replicated someone of importance to John, but I have a feeling her real name was Cameron (why else would she be called Cameron down the road?) and was either John's lover or daughter (Kate Brewster?). Perhaps she was related to Derek Reese, as I still suspect she may have been the one to torture him in his flashback episode. In fact that is pretty much assumed.

But seeing Cameron terminate the real Cameron or "Alison" for now was shocking if expected. And I figured she was going to terminate her new "girlfriend" as well, but the ending was somewhat predictable.

I don't think it was an amazing episode and it revealed enough about Cameron of what we expected without disclosing who she was to John or her (or Alison's) past to Derek. So, there are four major questions about Cameron:

-Was she once human?
-What is her relationship to John?
-What is her relationship to Derek and was she involved in his unique torture?
-What exactly is she as a terminator?

Only the first one was answered to night. Anyway I give the episode somewhere between an 8.0. Not great, but solid. So far the first episode has been the best of the sesaon.

[DACrowe]

P.S. Am I the only one who thinks it is ****ed up that Cameron potentially called the mother of the human she is based on and gave the name to the person she would later kill? She is talking to the mother who is pregnant with a baby girl that Cameron will later terminate in 20 years.

That is just ****ed up.

[Golgo-13]

P.S. Am I the only one who thinks it is ****ed up that Cameron potentially called the mother of the human she is based on and gave the name to the person she would later kill? She is talking to the mother who is pregnant with a baby girl that Cameron will later terminate in 20 years.

That is just ****ed up.

Since you put it that way, yeah it is f'ed up.

I'm started to doubt that we'll ever find out what happened to Derek in the basement.

And one more thing; was that girl lying about that house being her parents home? She told so many lies throughout the ep i couldn't tell what was a lie and what was the truth....

[Superfreak]

meh, emotional robots with identity problems... not the direction this show should be going.

[The Major]

Well I didn't want to step on toes and call her god-awful...lol

CFE

lol

Okay. :D

[LostSon88]

Its about to start...without spoilers, just tell me, those who've seen it....

Is it awesome?

[DACrowe]

What direction, in your opinion, should it be going?

Personally right now I'd just drop the Busty Phillips subplot and axe John's girlfriend as well.

[DACrowe]

Its about to start...without spoilers, just tell me, those who've seen it....

Is it awesome?

It was pretty good, but don't expect too many questions answered. One major one is and that is about it.

[The Major]

So the episode that promised to answer questions, answered absolutely nothing and just created new questions?

It did answer some questions.

We know Cameron is based on a human who knew John Connor, for instance.

We also know Cameron interrogated and killed the person she's physically based on and that she used to work for a faction within Skynet who wanted peace with the humans.

We know the FBI agent has an ex-wife who helps him.

We are given more information about what Skynet does with its human captives.

We know Weaver may have caused the accident which killed her "husband".


This episode was primarily set up, though.

[The Major]

Well I thought the episode was decent. I guess I, like many, was so hyped to see the "Cameron backstory episode," that it was bound to disappoint.

I think the big problem was the Busty Phillips story is just a waste of time and I don't give two ****s about her being anything more than a stock character. I know they needed Sarah to do something, but I felt like that side was killing time.

Cameron's story was very good though. Her short-circuiting was very intriguing to watch. This is the second time for it to happen this season and the third time she begins thinking independently away from her programming and I theorize that if this show gets to the end of the season, there will be some MAJOR revelations about Cameron.

As is, tonight's episode had some surprising moments. I have a feeling Alison Young (if that is her name) was someone close to John who was terminated. I do not think they intentionally replicated someone of importance to John, but I have a feeling her real name was Cameron (why else would she be called Cameron down the road?) and was either John's lover or daughter (Kate Brewster?). Perhaps she was related to Derek Reese, as I still suspect she may have been the one to torture him in his flashback episode. In fact that is pretty much assumed.

But seeing Cameron terminate the real Cameron or "Alison" for now was shocking if expected. And I figured she was going to terminate her new "girlfriend" as well, but the ending was somewhat predictable.

I don't think it was an amazing episode and it revealed enough about Cameron of what we expected without disclosing who she was to John or her (or Alison's) past to Derek. So, there are four major questions about Cameron:

-Was she once human?
-What is her relationship to John?
-What is her relationship to Derek and was she involved in his unique torture?
-What exactly is she as a terminator?

Only the first one was answered to night. Anyway I give the episode somewhere between an 8.0. Not great, but solid. So far the first episode has been the best of the sesaon.

Agreed.

It seems like the show's finally found its footing.

I hope it survives a long time on tv. :D

[DACrowe]

It did answer some questions.

We know Cameron is based on a human who knew John Connor, for instance.

We also know Cameron interrogated and killed the person she's physically based on and that she used to work for a faction within Skynet who wanted peace with the humans.

We know the FBI agent has an ex-wife who helps him.

We are given more information about what Skynet does with its human captives.

We know Weaver may have caused the accident which killed her "husband".


This episode was primarily set up, though.

I'm pretty sure the highlighted part was a lie given a) What she said to the psychiatrist afterwards in the juxtaposed scene in the present and b) how the episode ended.

[The Major]

I'm pretty sure the highlighted part was a lie given a) What she said to the psychiatrist afterwards in the juxtaposed scene in the present and b) how the episode ended.
True.

[M.O.Steel]

It did answer some questions.

We know Cameron is based on a human who knew John Connor, for instance.

We also know Cameron interrogated and killed the person she's physically based on and that she used to work for a faction within Skynet who wanted peace with the humans.

We know the FBI agent has an ex-wife who helps him.

We are given more information about what Skynet does with its human captives.

We know Weaver may have caused the accident which killed her "husband".


This episode was primarily set up, though.

i really like that last one. didn't pick it up until i read your post.

[LostSon88]

Yep...saying Cameron wanted peace with the humans was simply just a tactic to see if Allison would cooperate better.

Overall, a good episode, but definately raised more questions than answers...

My take, Allison is definately a high ranking officer in the resistance...my bet, she's Connor's girlfriend or something..

[DACrowe]

Yep...saying Cameron wanted peace with the humans was simply just a tactic to see if Allison would cooperate better.

Overall, a good episode, but definately raised more questions than answers...

My take, Allison is definately a high ranking officer in the resistance...my bet, she was Connor's girlfriend or something..

Fixed.

[DACrowe]

BTW I have a new theory.

We all know the Ellison story is going somewhere with him indavertantly helping Weaver create and bring about judgement day. She wants him to collect a terminator to explore that will likely bring about Skynet.

Now some have speculated that that is Comartie and I admit this is the more than likely choice as they have a good actor who probably doesn't want to play an emotionless robot for long and there is only so much you can do with the character. Plus Ellison has a personal beef with Cromartie.

But, I have a second theory. What if the terminator they collect that causes the creation of Skynet is Cameron? She is confused and acting more human. Derek never warned up to her, but Sarah and especially John have. They'd be in a situation where they have to decide whether keeping her around is worth the risk. And if they fail Ellison ends up helping dismantle Cameron and this causes judgement day to come into fruition.

I doubt that is the case as Cameron is the best part of the show and probably the no. 1 reason it gets the viewers it does, but still.

[LadyVader]

It doesn't make any sense. If Cameron is the Terminator that brought about Skynet, than why would they send the first two terminators to try and kill John Connor? Why not send JUST Cameron, or rather yet wait for the humans to send Cameron.

[LostSon88]

This episode did kind of cement it for me that Cameron's "I love you, John." WAS an act.

After the past couple of episodes, I slowly began to think that maybe, just maybe, Cameron is becoming more human and is developing human emotions.

However, this episode really changed all that...I'm once again back to thinking, that Cameron is still simply a cold, calculated, machine. Nothing more.

Anyone elses perceptions of Cameron change after seeing this episode?

[Mike_D202]

This episode did kind of cement it for me that Cameron's "I love you, John." WAS an act.

After the past couple of episodes, I slowly began to think that maybe, just maybe, Cameron is becoming more human and is developing human emotions.

However, this episode really changed all that...I'm once again back to thinking, that Cameron is still simply a cold, calculated, machine. Nothing more.

Anyone elses perceptions of Cameron change after seeing this episode?

Is it wrong that I still wanna bang the cold, calculated machine? :csad:

[PimpDaddyDOC-OCK]

Looks like we get another throw away terminator(I don't recognize that guy) next week when John and Derek go on a gun trip

"Did you kill her?"

"Apparently not."



This episode brought more theories and questions. I think weaver's "daughter" is a piece of her liquid metal.

Also for those that missed the news blurb on page 120


They already showed the gas station at the end of the first movie last week

Patrick Kilpatrick will be playing the Terminator of the week next week. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0453304/

[imdaly]

Yep...saying Cameron wanted peace with the humans was simply just a tactic to see if Allison would cooperate better.

Overall, a good episode, but definately raised more questions than answers...

My take, Allison is definately a high ranking officer in the resistance...my bet, she was Connor's girlfriend or something..

Fixed.


Ehh, not quite!


Yep...saying Cameron wanted peace with the humans was simply just a tactic to see if Allison would cooperate better.

Overall, a good episode, but definately raised more questions than answers...

My take, Allison is definately a high ranking officer in the resistance...my bet, she will be Connor's girlfriend or something..

;)

[Superfreak]

What direction, in your opinion, should it be going?

Personally right now I'd just drop the Busty Phillips subplot and axe John's girlfriend as well.

anywhere except this route: where terminators become humans... just with metal bodies

[Angelus7181]

Anyone can tell us if the ratings showed any improvment this week?

[Matt]

Fixed.

Or would it be, she will be Connor's girlfriend, since its in the future :cwink:

[DACrowe]

It doesn't make any sense. If Cameron is the Terminator that brought about Skynet, than why would they send the first two terminators to try and kill John Connor? Why not send JUST Cameron, or rather yet wait for the humans to send Cameron.

We're in such unchartered water right now anything could be the case. I mean the actions of T2 ****ed up the timeline royally and if you watch the sequels or show judgement day has been delayed for over a decade (if not in fact stopped completely, if you end with T2).

The path to judgement day changed drastically because of T2 which was unaffected by the original events. Then the show throws another curve ball by sending Sarah and John to 2007, 2 years past Sarah's death giving her another six extra years to actually see the beginnings of the war. In doing so, she and John know much earlier than they would have that judgement day is coming and it was not prevented and are actually still actively trying to prevent judgement day by ****ing with things like the Turk, traffic controls and stock piles that are set-up to cause judgement day.

They have changed so much, who knows what is going on. I'm just saying Cameron could be the terminator that Skynet/Weaver wants and not Cromartie who is the obvious choice.

[Matt]

BTW I have a new theory.

We all know the Ellison story is going somewhere with him indavertantly helping Weaver create and bring about judgement day. She wants him to collect a terminator to explore that will likely bring about Skynet.

Now some have speculated that that is Comartie and I admit this is the more than likely choice as they have a good actor who probably doesn't want to play an emotionless robot for long and there is only so much you can do with the character. Plus Ellison has a personal beef with Cromartie.

But, I have a second theory. What if the terminator they collect that causes the creation of Skynet is Cameron? She is confused and acting more human. Derek never warned up to her, but Sarah and especially John have. They'd be in a situation where they have to decide whether keeping her around is worth the risk. And if they fail Ellison ends up helping dismantle Cameron and this causes judgement day to come into fruition.

I doubt that is the case as Cameron is the best part of the show and probably the no. 1 reason it gets the viewers it does, but still.

What I don't get is, if it is so easy for Skynet to send machines back in time to cause Judgement Day, why not just send a machine with all the knowledge of how to create the AI or whatever that helps create the machines back in time, then have her...I dunno? Take control of a multi-billion dollar corporation and use her resources to create it and sell it to the military, thus bringing about Judgement Day? Why go through all the trouble of manipulating Ellison, or capturing Cromartie?

Furthermore, if they are sending machines back in time to cause Judgement Day, doesn't that mean Judgement Day happened without their interference, otherwise, how would they even be there to send machines back? If the machines must go back in time, to create themselves, doesn't that mean they are simply stuck in a time loop and no matter what John, Sarah, and Derek do, Judgement Day will happen, making the all of their actions that we are watching pointless?

See how confusing this gets? This show has entirely overplayed the time travelling hand and it is ****ing up any credibility in the show's continuity.

[Matt]

It did answer some questions.

We know Cameron is based on a human who knew John Connor, for instance.

We also know Cameron interrogated and killed the person she's physically based on and that she used to work for a faction within Skynet who wanted peace with the humans.

We know the FBI agent has an ex-wife who helps him.

We are given more information about what Skynet does with its human captives.

We know Weaver may have caused the accident which killed her "husband".


This episode was primarily set up, though.


It answered some questions, but certainly did not give "All the answers," that the preview promised. And most of the answers it gave were either things the viewer could've figured out or are simply not all that important.

As for your observations on Cameron wanting peace, I think she was lying. And I don't think Weaver caused the accident that killed her husband, I think it is more likely that a machine killed Weaver and her husband and took her place.

[DACrowe]

This episode did kind of cement it for me that Cameron's "I love you, John." WAS an act.

After the past couple of episodes, I slowly began to think that maybe, just maybe, Cameron is becoming more human and is developing human emotions.

However, this episode really changed all that...I'm once again back to thinking, that Cameron is still simply a cold, calculated, machine. Nothing more.

Anyone elses perceptions of Cameron change after seeing this episode?

I would disagree. If she was just a cold calculating machine, she would not be going through identity crisis. She was made to look like Allison Young and it would seem that after her chip malfunctioned at the beginning of the season, it never really quite got fixed properly. She began remembering her interrogation of Allison Young and took on the traits and attributes of her, even if she was a liar.

She became confused and started to act human, because she wants to be human. In this episode and episode 2 she is seen actually thinking and using her chip almost like a brain trying to sort out what she is and has questions about what is happening to her.

I agree that the "I love you," was a trick. But I do think she was based on someone who perhaps did love John and in trying to act more human, her malfunctioning computer is confused about who she is and who she is not.

But last season, even after she coldly let the ballet teacher and her brother die, she continued to practice the art, like a human and like Arnie in T2 is "learning the value of human life" as she did not terminate the latino girl in the season finale. And now she could have killed Jodie the exact same way she killed Allison, but chose not to. That shows perhaps regret of what she did to Allison Young and she wants to be more human.

If she didn't, she wouldn't start spacing out and she wouldn't do such things as try and act like Allison in the first place. I don't think she can be that trusted as she looks like a time bomb waiting to blow, but she is operating on choice almost. She chose to override her program and not kill John Connor in 2.1, even though she was not fixed. I'd say she is struggling to act more human, even though she cannot really do it.


As for her acting "too human," I do recall Arnie learning the value of human life, grinning at John Connor and saying "I know now why it is you cry" at the end of T2 before choosing to ignore John's commands (which he is programmed to obey) and self-destructing himself. So take that one up with James Cameron, then.

[Matt]

We're in such unchartered water right now anything could be the case. I mean the actions of T2 ****ed up the timeline royally and if you watch the sequels or show judgement day has been delayed for over a decade (if not in fact stopped completely, if you end with T2).

The path to judgement day changed drastically because of T2 which was unaffected by the original events. Then the show throws another curve ball by sending Sarah and John to 2007, 2 years past Sarah's death giving her another six extra years to actually see the beginnings of the war. In doing so, she and John know much earlier than they would have that judgement day is coming and it was not prevented and are actually still actively trying to prevent judgement day by ****ing with things like the Turk, traffic controls and stock piles that are set-up to cause judgement day.

They have changed so much, who knows what is going on. I'm just saying Cameron could be the terminator that Skynet/Weaver wants and not Cromartie who is the obvious choice.

In retrospect, the entire jump ahead still bothers me. I mean, think of how much they may have screwed the resistance. John lost six years of his life, so instead of being a man when Judgement Day occurs (late-twenties to early 30s), he is essentially going to be a college aged child. Who would follow a child as their "great general?"

Time travel is a cheap plot device and the writers have dug a pretty deep hole with it.

[Matt]

I would disagree. If she was just a cold calculating machine, she would not be going through identity crisis. She was made to look like Allison Young and it would seem that after her chip malfunctioned at the beginning of the season, it never really quite got fixed properly. She began remembering her interrogation of Allison Young and took on the traits and attributes of her, even if she was a liar.

She became confused and started to act human, because she wants to be human. In this episode and episode 2 she is seen actually thinking and using her chip almost like a brain trying to sort out what she is and has questions about what is happening to her.

I agree that the "I love you," was a trick. But I do think she was based on someone who perhaps did love John and in trying to act more human, her malfunctioning computer is confused about who she is and who she is not.

But last season, even after she coldly let the ballet teacher and her brother die, she continued to practice the art, like a human and like Arnie in T2 is "learning the value of human life" as she did not terminate the latino girl in the season finale. And now she could have killed Jodie the exact same way she killed Allison, but chose not to. That shows perhaps regret of what she did to Allison Young and she wants to be more human.

If she didn't, she wouldn't start spacing out and she wouldn't do such things as try and act like Allison in the first place. I don't think she can be that trusted as she looks like a time bomb waiting to blow, but she is operating on choice almost. She chose to override her program and not kill John Connor in 2.1, even though she was not fixed. I'd say she is struggling to act more human, even though she cannot really do it.


As for her acting "too human," I do recall Arnie learning the value of human life, grinning at John Connor and saying "I know now why it is you cry" at the end of T2 before choosing to ignore John's commands (which he is programmed to obey) and self-destructing himself. So take that one up with James Cameron, then.

The final scene of T2 is kind of amazing. :up:

[BenReilly]

In retrospect, the entire jump ahead still bothers me. I mean, think of how much they may have screwed the resistance. John lost six years of his life, so instead of being a man when Judgement Day occurs (late-twenties to early 30s), he is essentially going to be a college aged child. Who would follow a child as their "great general?"

Actually John was only 12 when the original Judgment Day occurred in 1997 in the first two movies. T3 delayed JD about seven years, and John was in his early twenties.

[Gold Samurai]

Anyone can tell us if the ratings showed any improvment this week?

Dancing with the stars again topped Monday

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/225108361
Monday 9/29/08

Since I am off today, there is no analysis. But what follows is the overall fast affiliate rating results for Monday, Sept. 29, 2008, followed by the results by half-hour in the order of ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and the CW.

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 16.12 million, CBS: 11.54, NBC: 7.62, Fox: 5.29, CW: 3.48

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 3.9 rating/10 share, ABC: 3.8/10, NBC: 3.2/10, Fox: 2.0/ 5, CW: 1.9/ 5

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Dancing With the Stars (ABC), Two and a Half Men (CBS), CSI: Miami (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
The Big Bang Theory (CBS), How I Met Your Mother (CBS)

-Perfect Compatibility:
Gossip Girl (CW), One Tree Hill (CW)

-Considerable Year-to-Year Erosion:
Heroes (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Chuck (NBC), Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox), Worst Week (CBS), Prison Break (Fox), Boston Legal (ABC), Life (NBC)

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8:00 p.m.

ABC – Dancing With the Stars
Viewers: 17.35 million (#1), A18-49: 4.0 rating/11 share (#1)

CBS – The Big Bang Theory
Viewers: 8.71 million (#2), A18-49: 3.3/ 9 (#2)

NBC – Chuck (season premiere)
Viewers: 6.48 million (#3), A18-49: 2.4/ 7 (#3)

Fox – Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles
Viewers: 5.40 million (#4), A18-49: 2.1/ 6 (#4)

CW – Gossip Girl
Viewers: 3.71 million (#5), A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (#5)

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8:30 p.m.

ABC – Dancing With the Stars
Viewers: 20.34 million (#1), 4.8/12 (#1)

CBS – How I Met Your Mother
Viewers: 8.80 million (#2), A18-49: 3.7/ 9 (#2)

NBC – Chuck (season premiere)
Viewers: 6.76 million (#3), A18-49: 2.7/ 7 (#3)

Fox – Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles
Viewers: 5.27 million (#4), A18-49: 2.1/ 6 (#4)

CW – Gossip Girl
Viewers: 3.37 million (#5), A18-49: 1.8/ 5 (#5)

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9:00 p.m.

ABC – Dancing With the Stars
Viewers: 19.59 million (#1), A18-49: 4.4/11 (#2)

CBS – Two and a Half Men
Viewers: 13.76 million (#2), A18-49: 4.7/11 (#1)

NBC – Heroes
Viewers: 9.24 million (#3), A18-49: 4.3/10 (#3)

Fox - Prison Break
Viewers: 5.13 million (#4), A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (#4)

CW – One Tree Hill
Viewers: 3.39 million (#5), A18-49: 1.8/ 4 (#5)

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9:30 p.m.

ABC – Dancing With the Stars
Viewers: 19.84 million (#1), A18-49: 4.7/11 (#1)

CBS – Worst Week
Viewers: 9.31 million (#3), A18-49: 3.1/ 7 (#3)

NBC – Heroes
Viewers: 9.43 million (#2), A18-49: 4.5/11 (#2)

Fox - Prison Break
Viewers: 5.38 million (#4), A18-49: 2.1/ 5 (#4)

CW – One Tree Hill
Viewers: 3.45 million (#5), A18-49: 1.9/ 4 (#5)

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10:00 p.m.

ABC – Boston Legal
Viewers: 10.24 million (#2), A18-49: 2.5/ 6 (#3)

CBS – CSI: Miami
Viewers: 14.07 million (#1), A18-49: 4.2/10 (#1)

NBC – Life (season premiere/preview)
Viewers: 7.40 million (#3), A18-49: 3.0/ 7 (#2)

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10:30 p.m.

ABC – Boston Legal
Viewers: 9.36 million (#2), A18-49: 2.2/ 6 (#3)

CBS – CSI: Miami
Viewers: 14.56 million (#1), A18-49: 4.5/12 (#1)

NBC – Life (season premiere/preview)
Viewers: 6.43 million (#3), A18-49: 2.5/ 7 (#2)

[Nightmare]

Last Night's episode was one of the worst of the entire first two seasons. Made absolutely no sense. That is all.

[Timstuff]

Overall, I thought this was a good episode. I can't say it was a great episode, because it got unfortunately dragged down by the hospital scenes. Those were just plain lame and they felt like nothing more than an interruption from the real story that was going on.

Also, John was still acting like an ass, which I was a bit disappointed by. We basically got to see him running around asking "Where's Jody?" If the writers wanted some more drama, we should have gotten a look into John's feelings about the possibility that he lost her-- or even worse, that she ran away. Instead, he was being typical season 2 emo jerk John. He completely mishandled the situation at the half way house, and his reaction to Cameron having emotions and thinking she was human was nothing less than cynical.

Overall though, I loved Cameron's side of the story. I am now convinced that Josh Friedman's previous comments about "not humanizing Cameron" are a red herring, because Cameron was pretty effing Human in this episode! Cameron got a taste of humanity in this episode, but it ultimately wasn't hers to keep. Presumably, she knows what it's like to laugh, cry, and be "normal," but once her programming kicked back in, she lost it. Cameron has a lot to come to terms with-- even though she was "following her programming" when she killed Allison and tried to kill John, she still has to own up to it. And as you can propably tell by the last scene in the episode, she's more than a little PO'd about all this. Just the fact that she's experiencing anger is a revelation in itself.

I was also glad that she didn't kill Jody. She certainly had a right to be angry, or even enraged at how she was being used by her, and if this had been during season 1, I think she definitely would have killed her. However, the fact that Cameron let the wretched little skank live shows that her attitude towards death is changing. We don't know exactly what's going on in her head right now, but I think at the end of the episode, Cameron was unhappy with who she is-- and again, if she were a cold blooded machine, she should not have any opinion of it at all.

I think that Cameron was built by Skynet with the intention of mimicking human emotions, and since her programming was screwed up by the explosion in 109-201, the line between imitating human emotion and experiencing it is getting blurry. It's possible that she was designed to have both a "human mode" and a "terminator mode": she infiltrates the Humans in human mode, not even knowing that she's a terminator; then when she reaches John, it activates her programming, and she becomes a terminator again.

Whatever the case, Cameron is clearly operating outside the parameters that had been chosen for her by both Skynet and future John. She's in the very uncomfortable situation of having to find out who she really is on her own, and this will certainly make for some great drama in future episodes.

[DACrowe]

Intriguing. People either seemed to love or hate last night's episode. I personally thought it was good, but not great because they could have had more flashback scenes and axed that HORRIBLE pregnant subplot. But the Cameron story and the Ellison/Weaver subplot were solid.

However, there seems to be a real backlash to the episode from some who just despised it, when I'd say it is better than the last two episodes of season 2 (though not the first) and half of season 1.

Just out of curiosity, for those who hated it: Why? And even if you hated it, what in the world was confusing about the episode? It was pretty straight-forward, I thought.



On a darker note: Well the ratings went downhill again. Probably because Chuck came back. But one silver lining is it had better ratings and stood better against Dancing with the Trash than Prison Break did. And if Fox allows Prison Break to limp on 5 seasons, maybe they'll at least let SCC finish out a second if it is their best rated show on Monday as of right now.

[Timstuff]

Some thoughts I had regarding future John's relationship with Allison:

Let's assume that Skynet chose Allison as a model for Cameron, because she was someone close to John. So what's the connection? She's too young to be John's lover (well, unless you're a 30 something who's into 16 year olds), and we already know that she's not related to him. I have come up with a theory though: what if a time loop is in play, like in the first movie where Kyle Reese became John's father?

Say the time line goes like this: Future John sends Cameron back in time to protect present day John. Present day John develops a strong emotional bond with Cameron (possibly even falling in love with her), but they get tragically separated (possibly through Cameron's death). In the future, John meets Allison, who looks exactly like Cameron. Because John loved Cameron, and Allison is in a way Cameron's living legacy, John subconsciously thinks of her as being his own daughter, and takes her under his wing.

The Terminators learn that Allison is special to John, and they kidnap her. They create a copy of her (Cameron) who kills her, and then send her to terminate future John. Future John captures and reprograms Cameron, and then sends her back in time to be with his teenage counterpart, thus completing the circle.

[LadyVader]

What I wanna know is how do you send a killing machine... to buy you cheese puffs? :)

[Timstuff]

I just watched the episode again, but this time I skipped over all the hospital scenes (except for the one where Sarah talks to John). It was way better this time. :up:

[Mister J]

That would seem to help. The hospital scenes did nothing for me. They could have established the brief setup for wherever this is going in one scene. In contrast, the side story with Ellison, his apparent ex and the Shirleynator (who is becoming painful to watch) was executed much better.

The Cameron/Allison stuff was obviously the best part, but predictable in that it wouldn't be the tell-all base of finality regarding Cameron's past that it was hyped to be. That's TV.

[Spider-Bite]

This episode did kind of cement it for me that Cameron's "I love you, John." WAS an act.

After the past couple of episodes, I slowly began to think that maybe, just maybe, Cameron is becoming more human and is developing human emotions.

However, this episode really changed all that...I'm once again back to thinking, that Cameron is still simply a cold, calculated, machine. Nothing more.

Anyone elses perceptions of Cameron change after seeing this episode?

No she was definitely feeling emotions when she was enjoying herself playing fuseball, and she was actually afraid when that guy punched that girl in the nose. that is why cameron gave him the money instead of ripping his arm off.

Remember all that stuff from season 1 with the ballet? That clearly wasn't an act. In the first few episodes John even said she seemed different, and asker her why, and she said "Because I am different."

[black_dust]

Good ep this week, cant really say anything more than whats already been said.

But i hope thats the last time Cameron "wiggs out" but still comes back to normal either she goes one way or the other for good.

[Spider-Bite]

What I don't get is, if it is so easy for Skynet to send machines back in time to cause Judgement Day, why not just send a machine with all the knowledge of how to create the AI or whatever that helps create the machines back in time, then have her...I dunno? Take control of a multi-billion dollar corporation and use her resources to create it and sell it to the military, thus bringing about Judgement Day? Why go through all the trouble of manipulating Ellison, or capturing Cromartie?

Furthermore, if they are sending machines back in time to cause Judgement Day, doesn't that mean Judgement Day happened without their interference, otherwise, how would they even be there to send machines back? If the machines must go back in time, to create themselves, doesn't that mean they are simply stuck in a time loop and no matter what John, Sarah, and Derek do, Judgement Day will happen, making the all of their actions that we are watching pointless?

See how confusing this gets? This show has entirely overplayed the time travelling hand and it is ****ing up any credibility in the show's continuity.

If you had the option of traveling back in time and interferring with your parent's relationship, would you? Your parent's could end up conceriving a child a week earlier or later for that matter, and a different semen wouuld impregnate the egg.

You would never be born. Your parents would end up having a different child alltogether. If they did what you are suggesting, skynet would be preventing itself from ever being created, and instead a different computer program would be created, under different circumstances, that may or may not neccessarily turn against the human race.

[Nightmare]

Good ep this week, cant really say anything more than whats already been said.

But i hope thats the last time Cameron "wiggs out" but still comes back to normal either she goes one way or the other for good.

+1, hope this is the last time myself.

[Spider-Bite]

Whatever the case, Cameron is clearly operating outside the parameters that had been chosen for her by both Skynet and future John. She's in the very uncomfortable situation of having to find out who she really is on her own, and this will certainly make for some great drama in future episodes.
Unfortnately nobody is taking the time to guide her through this either. I do kind of wish John and Sarah would start making an effort to be nice to her. They can tell she is curious about herself and the world.

[LostSon88]

But at the same time, I don't blame them I mean...she did try to kill them in the season opener.

Its gonna take some serious time to get over that...

What I wanna know is how do you send a killing machine... to buy you cheese puffs? :)

The crunchy kind, no less...

:cwink:

[Timstuff]

Unfortnately nobody is taking the time to guide her through this either. I do kind of wish John and Sarah would start making an effort to be nice to her. They can tell she is curious about herself and the world.

I know. Also, people tend to focus so much on the John / Cameron aspect that they often overlook the Sarah / Cameron aspect. Sarah doesn't recognize how much Cameron needs her right now. She's extremely confused, and is in dire need of a strong mother figure like Sarah right now. For a second in "Mouse Trap" I thought that Sarah patted Cammy on the arm, but upon closer examination she was just touching the chair she was sitting in. Cameron needs a mom, but so far Sarah has shown little to no interest in becoming personally involved with her. :(

[Gold Samurai]

A little confusion now over last night's episode. People are saying it might've been a flashforward, or somethign similar, but I think it was just a common error. The baby Sarah was looking at in the hospital (Jefry Bryan Shebroe) was apparently born on "10-2-09".

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8979/92086428ll5.th.png (http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8979/92086428ll5.png)

The baby is obviously only a few hours old, if even that, so that would make the present date and year the same, yet it's still suppose to be early 2008. November was tossed around in last week's episode too, so I don't know what's going on, but it sure does suck. Some are pointing out how Sarah didn't use the "code" when she called John too. They do have a point, to some extent, but I doubt they would take it this far.

[Nightmare]

She didnt use the code? crap, i didnt even notice that. They should of came up with a new code after Cromartie easily figured it out.

[imdaly]

I actually noticed that she didn't use the code (or any new code since the code was found out last episode).

[Golgo-13]

A little confusion now over last night's episode. People are saying it might've been a flashforward, or somethign similar, but I think it was just a common error. The baby Sarah was looking at in the hospital (Jefry Bryan Shebroe) was apparently born on "10-2-09".

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8979/92086428ll5.th.png (http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8979/92086428ll5.png)

The baby is obviously only a few hours old, if even that, so that would make the present date and year the same, yet it's still suppose to be early 2008. November was tossed around in last week's episode too, so I don't know what's going on, but it sure does suck. Some are pointing out how Sarah didn't use the "code" when she called John too. They do have a point, to some extent, but I doubt they would take it this far.


Cromartie compromised the code, last week. I think the hospital stuff was a set up for meeting 'the baby daddy' cop. I think it's pretty obvious that there's gonna be some tension between him and Sarah seeing as how she's a fugutive....which leads me to another question:

In the present is she still a fugutive, or has she been declared dead after disappearing from the bank via the time jump?

[DACrowe]

She is "dead." But you know between Ellison inspecting it before the massacre and now a girl saying she is a machine sent back to "kill John Connor and hang his head on a pike for all to see," they may start looking at the case again more closely. Not to mention Dr. Silberman's recent admission to the asylum.

Maybe it will become curious. I have to say I hope after episode 5 we drop all storylines involving the neighbors.

[Nightmare]

That'd be a brilliant idea.

[Golgo-13]

The Terminator that they showed in the preview for next week; i wonder if that's Cromartie? Cromartie has seriously compromised his cover walking around in the skin of a dead man; especially a famous dead man-an actor, that killed 20 FBI agents in the mother of all shoot outs. I think he out done the original Terminators Law Enforcement body count from T1, when Arnold walked into the police station.

[Gold Samurai]

^Cromarties actor is staying we're getting a throw away terminator next week. The equivalent of Smallville's Kryptonite foe of the week. Terminator foe of the week

[The Major]

Intriguing. People either seemed to love or hate last night's episode. I personally thought it was good, but not great because they could have had more flashback scenes and axed that HORRIBLE pregnant subplot. But the Cameron story and the Ellison/Weaver subplot were solid.


They needed the pregnancy sub-plot to bring in the neightbor's ex-boyfriend.

He's going to either be a massive obstacle or ally once he discovers Sarah's a fugitive.

[The Major]

Some thoughts I had regarding future John's relationship with Allison:

Let's assume that Skynet chose Allison as a model for Cameron, because she was someone close to John. So what's the connection? She's too young to be John's lover (well, unless you're a 30 something who's into 16 year olds), and we already know that she's not related to him. I have come up with a theory though: what if a time loop is in play, like in the first movie where Kyle Reese became John's father?

Say the time line goes like this: Future John sends Cameron back in time to protect present day John. Present day John develops a strong emotional bond with Cameron (possibly even falling in love with her), but they get tragically separated (possibly through Cameron's death). In the future, John meets Allison, who looks exactly like Cameron. Because John loved Cameron, and Allison is in a way Cameron's living legacy, John subconsciously thinks of her as being his own daughter, and takes her under his wing.

The Terminators learn that Allison is special to John, and they kidnap her. They create a copy of her (Cameron) who kills her, and then send her to terminate future John. Future John captures and reprograms Cameron, and then sends her back in time to be with his teenage counterpart, thus completing the circle.

That's just crazy enough to work. :D

[Gold Samurai]

SyFyPortal.com just reported the FOX may announce T:TSCC's cancelation as soon as next week. It's a shame really; I kind of enjoyed watching it for a while. But a surprise this is not.

http://syfyportal.com/news425418.html

Thomas Dekker has apparently found work already
I'm sorry to say that it does appear to be true. It's been reported that the actors are already moving on to other projects. Thomas Dekker just signed on to be in a remake of Fame.

[M.O.Steel]

Some thoughts I had regarding future John's relationship with Allison:

Let's assume that Skynet chose Allison as a model for Cameron, because she was someone close to John. So what's the connection? She's too young to be John's lover (well, unless you're a 30 something who's into 16 year olds), and we already know that she's not related to him. I have come up with a theory though: what if a time loop is in play, like in the first movie where Kyle Reese became John's father?

Say the time line goes like this: Future John sends Cameron back in time to protect present day John. Present day John develops a strong emotional bond with Cameron (possibly even falling in love with her), but they get tragically separated (possibly through Cameron's death). In the future, John meets Allison, who looks exactly like Cameron. Because John loved Cameron, and Allison is in a way Cameron's living legacy, John subconsciously thinks of her as being his own daughter, and takes her under his wing.

The Terminators learn that Allison is special to John, and they kidnap her. They create a copy of her (Cameron) who kills her, and then send her to terminate future John. Future John captures and reprograms Cameron, and then sends her back in time to be with his teenage counterpart, thus completing the circle.

what an awesome theory. although, i don't think it needs to be his daughter. in real life, glau is 27, so it's possible that they could have a love relationship, if you assume he's 40 something (she was just about to be born, meaning they are 15-16 years apart). they are obviously playing the sexual tension card hard between the two. so i have a feeling they are lovers in the future (as a mistress tho cause where's kate brewster? yeah i know it's not the same timeline, but i'd like to think that they all the media are related, and the alternate timeline is a convenient escapegoat if things contradict).

about your last sentence tho, we still don't if that even happened. the whole thing could still be a ploy to kill connor. kinda like the t888 getting married and everything. as far as we know, she could still be there to kill john. everything else, especially the time loop i like.

[Nightmare]

SyFyPortal.com just reported the FOX may announce T:TSCC's cancelation as soon as next week. It's a shame really; I kind of enjoyed watching it for a while. But a surprise this is not.

http://syfyportal.com/news425418.html

Thomas Dekker has apparently found work already

Damn, maybe it would of helped if it wasnt going up against MNF?

[Timstuff]

SyFyPortal.com just reported the FOX may announce T:TSCC's cancelation as soon as next week. It's a shame really; I kind of enjoyed watching it for a while. But a surprise this is not.

http://syfyportal.com/news425418.html

Thomas Dekker has apparently found work already

TV actors work on movies all the time! Filming TV shows is regular work, but there are always breaks during production when actors can work on other projects. This talk of cancellation makes me sick because it feels like it could become a self fulfilling prophecy-- even if Fox is not actively planning to cancel the show, if they keep hearing suggestions that they should cancel it from the media and on message boards, then they could very well do just that. :cmad:

Also, FYI TSCC is doing better in its time slot than Prison Break did last season, and that show has not been cancelled yet. It would be illogical for Fox to cancel the show when it clearly has plenty of life left in it, and is one of their more popular shows.

Oh well, the show managed to survive the cancellation rumors during the strike, so I think that it can survive the rumors during football season.

[LadyVader]

I think the fact that Fox is f***ing evil incarnate has more of an influence on its decisions than what a bunch of fanboys on the internet think. If Fox truly was so susceptible to pressure, they wouldn't have cancelled Firefly.

[Frodo]

IMO the show is only now beginning to hit it's stride. Summer Glau is finally getting a chance to show what she can do and the storylines are becoming more interesting. However I think the show had a few problems from the outset .

[LostSon88]

SyFyPortal.com just reported the FOX may announce T:TSCC's cancelation as soon as next week. It's a shame really; I kind of enjoyed watching it for a while. But a surprise this is not.

http://syfyportal.com/news425418.html

Thomas Dekker has apparently found work already

I swear if this show ends before anything is resolved, I am going to be seriously pissed.

It'll be like Dark Angel and i'll feel as if FOX wasted my time...yet again.

:cmad:

[Nightmare]

Havent they filmed the shows months in advance?

[LostSon88]

Yeah, but not everything...usually tv shows produce a few episodes, go on hiatus/break then come back a couple months later to do more episodes...

According to the article, should FOX decide to cancel TSCC, they might go ahead and air the completed episodes, however at the same time, they may go ahead and STOP PRODUCTION on the episodes currently being filmed.

Hence, we will not get to finish the story.

[Nightmare]

Wow, that would suck. My passion of hatred for Fox grows bigger.

[Timstuff]

Like I said, TSCC is doing better than Prison Break was last year, and Prison Break has lasted what, 5 seasons? TSCC is still in Fox's stable of cash cows, and they'd be stupid to slaughter it now. What are they going to replace it with? A reality show called "Ouch My Balls Hurt?"

[JustABill]

Just because Dekker took a role in the Fame remake means nothing for the show. I still wouldn't be surprised if it was cancelled, but the Fame remake probably won't start filming any time soon.

[LostSon88]

Like I said, TSCC is doing better than Prison Break was last year, and Prison Break has lasted what, 5 seasons? TSCC is still in Fox's stable of cash cows, and they'd be stupid to slaughter it now.

Perhaps TSCC costs more to produce...

[JustABill]

Perhaps TSCC costs more to produce...
It probably does what with all the robots and time traveling effects. It getting cancelled now after probably it's IMO best episode of the series so far would suck.

[TheFuture]

Fox are apparently worried that T:SCC is affecting the audience that watches Prison Break(it's on straight after T:SCC)................don't worry Fox, the sorry excuse of what PB has been reduced to is enough in itself to compel people to turn off.:whatever:

[Timstuff]

Fans of TSCC should make the arguement to Fox that Prison Break is acting as a spoiler to TSCC, rather than the other way around. Seriously, if TSCC had a better program to lead into, it would have more viewers. :p

Not that I don't enjoy discussing the possibility of my favorite TV show being canceled, but I would prefer talking about the show itself. So just to stir things up, I'll rieterate an amusing (although really, quite strange) theory I heard at the official TSCC wiki: A few John / Cameron shippers have suggested that perhaps Allison Young will be orphaned as a baby, and John and Cameron will adopt her as their own. How's that for a wild story: Cameron is a copy of Allison; she kills Allison; she travels back in time and feels remorse; she adopts Allison as her own child to atone for her sins. If John and Cameron actually do get together, this would actually be the most plausible way for them to have a child together. It's so nuts that it might just work, LOL! :D

[Scar Predator]

I swear if this show ends before anything is resolved, I am going to be seriously pissed.

It'll be like Dark Angel and i'll feel as if FOX wasted my time...yet again.

:cmad:

I'm with you. The very least FOX could do is put some kind of final eppy into production right away to tie up loose ends. This is the 1st show I've watched in 2 years and I'm going to be likewise POed if I'm left hanging. I wish FOX would try moving TSCC to another night. I think being on Mondays is a mistake.

[Superfreak]

It probably does what with all the robots and time traveling effects. It getting cancelled now after probably it's IMO best episode of the series so far would suck.

this weeks episode? seriously best episode? I thought the jumping of the Pier/killing Charlie's wife episode was far better than this weeks.

[DACrowe]

Eh, last week's (the pier episode) had some action and a cool premise, but I prefer seeing the future and getting into Cameron's head anyday.

So, it may be canceled? Well, I've been predicting this. To be fair, that source sounds dubious, what with no listed name and calling this a rumor at the end. But I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't come back after the Baseball Playoffs hiatus it has. Next week may be its last episode.

On the other hand it has 13 episodes produced, so wouldn't they like to get them aired? Perhaps they'll just be put online. Even though Josh Fiedman said it is very likely the last 9 will get ordered by Fox and...let's face it, it is better than Prison Break which continues to limp on.

Too bad. I really wanted it to last four seasons and get us actually to the war. In which case it could completely replace T3. But at this point, we'll be lucky if it actually finishes season 2.

:(

[Superfreak]

Eh, last week's (the pier episode) had some action and a cool premise, but I prefer seeing the future and getting into Cameron's head anyday.

So, it may be canceled? Well, I've been predicting this. To be fair, that source sounds dubious, what with no listed name and calling this a rumor at the end. But I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't come back after the Baseball Playoffs hiatus it has. Next week may be its last episode.

On the other hand it has 13 episodes produced, so wouldn't they like to get them aired? Perhaps they'll just be put online. Even though Josh Fiedman said it is very likely the last 9 will get ordered by Fox and...let's face it, it is better than Prison Break which continues to limp on.

Too bad. I really wanted it to last four seasons and get us actually to the war. In which case it could completely replace T3. But at this point, we'll be lucky if it actually finishes season 2.

:(


for sure, anytime they go to the future, it's gonna get us all excited. But the episode as a whole, was definately not the best of the season, or the series. Although this episode was interesting (it gets a 9/10 for concept) it was no better than the S1 finale, or the premier episode, or the Derek episode(which was totally a far more interesting 'future' episode than this one).

[Ocramed]

I like the show, but I see three problems:

1) I don't know about you guys, but does it seems as if the producers of the show are just padding their storylines? It seems as if after the seasoner opener, they don't see the urgency in their production, as compared to the first season. Maybe they should have more writer's strikes in the future, in order to keep the storyline crisp.

2) It also seems as if the producers are hiring the actors based upon friendship, rather than purpose (Shirley Manson?). They should have focused on the actors that they hired thus far (it would keep the costs down).

3) Although there was some complaint about the narration, I think it worked fine, since this series is about Sarah Connor's story, and how she prepared her son John for the future. But it seems as if by focusing on Dekkler's role, the story as suffered (especially when John being such a prick to everyone).

On an aside, I think that genre series should be in a separate category, apart from episodic series. In fact, genre shows should follow the programming model like they do with the BBC and HBO. I wouldn't mind seeing 13 good TTSCC episodes, rather than watching 26 bad/padded TTSCC episodes. It would keep the producers on notice and tight.

O.

[Gold Samurai]

It's apparently already cancelled, but they might still air episodes that have been completed. ****ness. And the main reason is to save Prison Break because they think the ratings for that show are being affected by TSCC, which is just total BS. PB's new concept is to blame, not Terminator. Hell, if they were so concerned about PB, they should've flipped the time slots.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a131567/prison-break-to-be-saved-by-terminator-axe.html

Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles has reportedly been blamed by Fox for adversely affecting Prison Break's dwindling US ratings.

"Audiences just aren't responding to the show," a Fox source told website SyFy Portal about Sarah Connor, which is screened at 8pm on Monday nights as a lead-in to the jailbreak drama. "Our biggest surprise is the 18-to-49s [demographic] - those numbers are in the toilet."

The insider added that Fox is likely to axe the Terminator spinoff during its current second season and attempt to salvage Prison Break in another timeslot.

"All I can say is that production will likely stop, and I would think that Fox might try to air some of the episodes already in the can," the source stated. "But I don't know. They don't want to lose Prison Break, so there could be some schedule shuffling in the future."

[KenK]

What kind of f***ery is FOX pulling?!?!? I'm gonna laugh if they cancel TSCC and Prison Break's numbers continue to tumble.

[Nightmare]

**** you fox, and **** prison break.

[TheFuture]

It's apparently already cancelled, but they might still air episodes that have been completed. ****ness. And the main reason is to save Prison Break because they think the ratings for that show are being affected by TSCC, which is just total BS. PB's new concept is to blame, not Terminator. Hell, if they were so concerned about PB, they should've flipped the time slots.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a131567/prison-break-to-be-saved-by-terminator-axe.html

:cmad:I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here.

It's just insane that Fox would put it up against football and Heroes. There was only nine episodes last season and four so far this season, it hasn't been given time, or the space, to properly establish itself among the wider audience in America. They should have picked the least competitive day and see how it plays out, and if it excelled in that timeslot, then move it to a more competitive day for Season 3. But this is Fox, and they want immediate results.

**** you Fox, why don't they actually just have a look at S3 and S4 so far of PB so that they'll realise the reason why numbers are dwindling is because it is ****ing **** now. I'm sorry to any PB fans, I loved the show for the first two seasons and it usually takes a lot for me to turn away from a show that I have invested a lot of time in, but this is just insane. I can't believe Fox.:cmad:

[black_dust]

Cancelled ???? what a lame excuse as well, I watch Prison break on the net (seeing as i cant watch it on American tv being in the Uk and all) and the story line for PB this year is weak as hell, nothing at all to do with TSCC.

They should sort there **** out and not show 4 eps then cancel, show them all or not at all

[Shifty]

:cmad:I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here.

It's just insane that Fox would put it up against football and Heroes. There was only nine episodes last season and four so far this season, it hasn't been given time, or the space, to properly establish itself among the wider audience in America. They should have picked the least competitive day and see how it plays out, and if it excelled in that timeslot, then move it to a more competitive day for Season 3. But this is Fox, and they want immediate results.

**** you Fox, why don't they actually just have a look at S3 and S4 so far of PB so that they'll realise the reason why numbers are dwindling is because it is ****ing **** now. I'm sorry to any PB fans, I loved the show for the first two seasons and it usually takes a lot for me to turn away from a show that I have invested a lot of time in, but this is just insane. I can't believe Fox.:cmad:

The least competitive day is Saturday which would kill SCC and then after that is Friday which Fox hasn't had any success since The X-Files left that night over ten years ago.

Both shows are their the cause of their ratings decline. Its not like they're maintaining an audience, they're losing each week.

This is how the business operates, the network has a show on the air that is doing fine or just staying above the 6 million viewer mark but feel a new show can create better ratings.

SCC isn't hurting but it isn't helping. The way the ratings are going both shows will be under 6 million and Fox will have no choice but to cancel the two.

Lie to Me is waiting in the wings and expect changes this/next week in time to promote the new lineups during MLB playoffs.

[DACrowe]

I predict we get episode 5 next week and then the hammer falls and they show the remaining 8 episodes online or something like that and we don't get the back 9 to wrap it up. :(

[The Chris]

This is pure bull. This is shuch a good show. I'm never getting fooled by fox again. After 24, House, and the Simpsons are gone, then fox is gone from my television. Never watching a new show just to get crushed by them again.

[PimpDaddyDOC-OCK]

WB should take it from Fox & put it on the CW or Spike TV. Was the show just a tie in to the new Terminator movie that was supposed to end when the new movie came out?

[M.O.Steel]

Like I said, TSCC is doing better than Prison Break was last year, and Prison Break has lasted what, 5 seasons? TSCC is still in Fox's stable of cash cows, and they'd be stupid to slaughter it now. What are they going to replace it with? A reality show called "Ouch My Balls Hurt?"

i'm sorry, i can't believe you made that comparison. the ratings for seasons typically go down, not up. so it's not really that impressive ot say that a brand new show that is fresh and is connected to a famous franchise is doing better that the 4th season of another show. and

now if the season 2 of TSCC was higher than season 2 of PB, then you may have been onto something. but that is not the case.

TSCC is not one of their stable of cash cows. you might be a big fan, as am i, but it's certainly not a cash cow. 24, PB, simpsons...these are cash cows (at least they were in their prime). TSCC unfortunately doesn't come close. the fact that we're even discussing this means it isn't. at the end of the day, it's just business, yet fans somehow think it's personal.

interesting thoery on the john/allison/cameron theory. puts it in a time loop, in a weird way.

[Banshee]

Ah ****.

[KnightBat]

Why not pair the show with Fringe? Its be a good fit.

[Nightmare]

Why not pair the show with Fringe? Its be a good fit.

Agreed, fox is too stupid to notice that though.

[DACrowe]

Is it even official yet, though?

[Timstuff]

Is it even official yet, though?

No. All these idiot rumors are based off of some stupid blog post from a website called SyFy. The author didn't even have a real source, but unfortunately the rumor is now snowballing with loads of other sites posting doom and gloom articles, and they're all using the original SyFy article as their source. So what you've got now is a bunch of uncredible websites using another uncredible website as a source, which itself didn't even have a credible source to begin with.

BTW, this week's episode is currently the #2 most popular on-demand episode download at Amazon.com. That's got to count for something. Coupled with DVR viewings, Hulu, and iTunes, a lot of people have speculated that this weeks episode got well over the 6 million viewer mark, even though the actual Nielson ratings were down considerably from the premier. "Allison from Palmdale" is also shaping up to be the most talked about episode since the premier, so its success with Amazon's on demand service does not surprise me.

[LostSon88]

That is not the only source spelling TSCC doom.

Ask Ausiello had a post like a week back which stated almost the same thing, that FOX is very disappointed in the numbers BUT are looking at the other outlets people are viewing TSCC such as hulu, amazon, etc.

He said though that it doesn't look good and that FOX is on the fence as to what to do with the series.

I'm not trying to be a pessimist, i'm really hoping the series will continue but everything is pointing to it going downhill...

[Nivek]

Great, it's just a matter of time. Figures Fox would ring true and cancel the one new show I watch on their stupid channel.

And Fringe? It's House meets X-Files, with a pinch of that godawful Bones show.

[The Apatow Crew]

Well, it was only a matter of them before they cut if off. I mean the eps prolly cost a lot of money make. with all the SFX and such. Its like a mini movie each ep? They've done with many other shows in the past also. Cause they feel they cost too much to make each week.

[Gold Samurai]

So what gimmick do die hard fans need to mail in to show support once the (possible)announcement of cancellation comes. Roswell had mini-Tobasco bottles, Jericho did peanuts so what can TSCC fans send in?

The Answer: Pancake Mix
http://cameronandjohn.com/2008/09/19/operation-pancake-mix/
It's already being sent in by some fans. Some new information though: Fox is authorizing a new round of promotions for the show on late night talk shows.

Why pancake mix?

Sarah Connor:
Don't you think that John. Don't you ever think that. Look at me. No one is ever safe. Half an hour. One bag. Plus the guns. I'll make pancakes.

season 1 episode 1

[Grif]

A source on “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” has told End Of Show that no new episode scripts have been ordered by FOX, beyond the 13 already written. This will force the show to shut down production shortly. ”To say we’re on the brink of cancellation is polite”, our source says.


Normally, when a show shuts production it is not announced to the media — an example is 2007’s FOX series “Drive”, which closed production 2 days after the first episode aired but was not announced in Variety for a further 9 days as cancelled.



This is because a network doesn’t want an audience to turn off whilst the remaining episodes are aired. In the end, Fox opted not to air several produced episodes of “Drive”, replacing it with House repeats. (Which rated higher). The episodes eventually aired online via FOX’s Myspace portal.


Our source tells us the cast contracts expire in short order, which means producing a 13 episode series this year and then returning next Fall is not an option due to the cost of renewing the cast and not producing episodes. Additionally, it does not make finance sense to return when a series is averaging just over 5 million viewers.


T:SCC premiered January of this year with 18.6 million viewers — which set a record for FOX at the time — and promptly fell to an average of 11.4 million for the series. Monday’s episode clocked just 5.53 million viewers, putting the show in absolute freefall, with just 5% of the 18-49 demographic. “Audiences just aren’t responding to the show,” a Fox source tells SyFy Portal (http://www.syfyportal.com/news425418.html). “Our biggest surprise are the 18-to-49s [a key advertising demographic], those numbers are in the toilet.”

The ratings now fall in line (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117963779.html?categoryid=14&cs=1) with FOX’s “Drive”, which as mentioned ceased production almost immediately and stopped airing shortly after. T:SCC is a fairly expensive show to produce, and additionally wasn’t produced with sister studio 20th Century Fox.



The show had significant marketing weight thrown behind it in January, using the budget allocated for “24″ (which was pushed back a year) for a widespread marketing campaign.


Taking over the timeslot from January, FOX have penciled in Joss Whedon’s upcoming drama “Dollhouse (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1135300/)“.


http://www.endofshow.com/2008/10/02/exclusive-terminator-gets-yes-terminated/

[Mister J]

Cripes. I didn't realize damn near 19 million people tuned in for the premiere.

We've kicked around the show's fate in response to the ratings ever since last season started winding down. So, if it turns out that 'where there's smoke, there's fire' is applicable, I wouldn't be surprised. Between the dwindling viewership and the production costs, I;m just hoping we can get a proper ending, as opposed to an abrupt one.

[LostSon88]

Exactly. If it ends, at least end it properly.

Then i'll be happy.

[Timstuff]

A source on “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” has told End Of Show that no new episode scripts have been ordered by FOX, beyond the 13 already written. This will force the show to shut down production shortly. ”To say we’re on the brink of cancellation is polite”, our source says.


Normally, when a show shuts production it is not announced to the media — an example is 2007’s FOX series “Drive”, which closed production 2 days after the first episode aired but was not announced in Variety for a further 9 days as cancelled.



This is because a network doesn’t want an audience to turn off whilst the remaining episodes are aired. In the end, Fox opted not to air several produced episodes of “Drive”, replacing it with House repeats. (Which rated higher). The episodes eventually aired online via FOX’s Myspace portal.


Our source tells us the cast contracts expire in short order, which means producing a 13 episode series this year and then returning next Fall is not an option due to the cost of renewing the cast and not producing episodes. Additionally, it does not make finance sense to return when a series is averaging just over 5 million viewers.


T:SCC premiered January of this year with 18.6 million viewers — which set a record for FOX at the time — and promptly fell to an average of 11.4 million for the series. Monday’s episode clocked just 5.53 million viewers, putting the show in absolute freefall, with just 5% of the 18-49 demographic. “Audiences just aren’t responding to the show,” a Fox source tells SyFy Portal (http://www.syfyportal.com/news425418.html). “Our biggest surprise are the 18-to-49s [a key advertising demographic], those numbers are in the toilet.”

The ratings now fall in line (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117963779.html?categoryid=14&cs=1) with FOX’s “Drive”, which as mentioned ceased production almost immediately and stopped airing shortly after. T:SCC is a fairly expensive show to produce, and additionally wasn’t produced with sister studio 20th Century Fox.



The show had significant marketing weight thrown behind it in January, using the budget allocated for “24″ (which was pushed back a year) for a widespread marketing campaign.


Taking over the timeslot from January, FOX have penciled in Joss Whedon’s upcoming drama “Dollhouse (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1135300/)“.


http://www.endofshow.com/2008/10/02/exclusive-terminator-gets-yes-terminated/

Yet ANOTHER article siting Syfy Portal as its source. ENOUGH ALREADY!

I know the show is doing less than stellar, but if we give into the pessimism of these journalists we're only encouraging Fox to cancel it. I vote we all start sending in pancake mix to Fox along with letters about how enraged we are about them pitting the show directly against Dancing with the Farce and Monday Night Football. They are killing the show through their own stupidity, not because audiences are uninterested. Monday Night Football is the exact same demographic that TSCC needs to survive, so as long as it's on Monday the ratings are going to suffer. Also, it needs a better show to lead into than season 5 of Prison Break!

Also, we should not focus our efforts on just Fox, but Warner Bros. as well. It's their show too, and if we send them a lot of feedback telling them how happy we'd be to follow the show onto another network, they might very well listen. I am hoping the show doesn't end up on cable since that will probably mean some very big budget cuts, but Fox is not the only TV network out there. NBC is becoming increasingly Sci-fi friendly, and in a worst case scenario they could put it on their own CW network (I know I'll recieve flack for saying this, but I'd rather it broadcast there than on SciFi channel with a shoestring budget). The show will survive as long as we fans are persistent in our efforts to keep it alive.

[LostSon88]

So..to protest the possible cancellation of TSCC, we send FOX...pancakes?

I don't think they'll get the reference...hell, it even took me a while to remember that throwaway line from the pilot.

[Nightmare]

i wont send fox ****. What a joke, its clearly getting killed in the ratings because of MNF. I guess they expected to keep doing the same ratings against mnf?? :whatever: What a joke.

[Venom75]

Personally,I haven't been able to catch every show but I have watched alot,and liked it alot. It's the first great show that I've been a huge fan of since Buffy/Angel both went off the air. I don't wanna see this one go as well.

[Timstuff]

Right now it's pretty much the only freaking show I watch! If it gets canceled, I might as well cancel my cable if it wasn't part of my rent. Then again, I have to watch it online anyway because of class. :dry:

Fox needs to put 2 and 2 together: 18-35 men are tuning in to MNF, and not TSCC. Heck, even Josh Friedman (one the show's creators) is a football fan! They put it in a HORRIBLE slot, and now the ratings are suffering.

Something that I am constantly surprised to find (although perhaps I shouldn't be) is what an enthusiastic female fanbase this show has. Perhaps if it weren't going head to head with Dancing with the Farce, it could pick up more female viewers in addition to the men who are currently tuning into MNF.

If Fox really doesn't like this shows performance, they need to recognize that it's because they are putting it in a time slot that it cannot compete effectively in. The show's solid DVR and internet / on demand performances are showing that people are interested in the show, but not enough to miss MNF for. If Fox cancels this show without even giving it a shot with a decent time slot, then they are being extremely unfair to both the show and its fans.

[Nightmare]

nicely said Tim. Exactly what i was thinking.

[M.O.Steel]

Right now it's pretty much the only freaking show I watch! If it gets canceled, I might as well cancel my cable if it wasn't part of my rent. Then again, I have to watch it online anyway because of class. :dry:

Fox needs to put 2 and 2 together: 18-35 men are tuning in to MNF, and not TSCC. Heck, even Josh Friedman (one the show's creators) is a football fan! They put it in a HORRIBLE slot, and now the ratings are suffering.

Something that I am constantly surprised to find (although perhaps I shouldn't be) is what an enthusiastic female fanbase this show has. Perhaps if it weren't going head to head with Dancing with the Farce, it could pick up more female viewers in addition to the men who are currently tuning into MNF.

If Fox really doesn't like this shows performance, they need to recognize that it's because they are putting it in a time slot that it cannot compete effectively in. The show's solid DVR and internet / on demand performances are showing that people are interested in the show, but not enough to miss MNF for. If Fox cancels this show without even giving it a shot with a decent time slot, then they are being extremely unfair to both the show and its fans.

yeah...something similar happened to the family guy getting cancelled the first time, and we know how that turned out. you would think they would learn by now.

the MNF issue is a big deal now, but it really wasn't during mini season 1, so can't blame it entirely on MNF even if it's largely responsible now.

[TheFuture]

i wont send fox ****. What a joke, its clearly getting killed in the ratings because of MNF. I guess they expected to keep doing the same ratings against mnf?? :whatever: What a joke.

Dammit SH Boards why can't we thank posts!:cmad::oldrazz:

Spot on Nightmare, it just boggles the mind. From what I have seen Monday night is insanely competitive in America. How Fox expected to properly establish the show when putting it up against


Monday Night Football-I'm guessing would guarentee a significant portion of the 18 to 49 demograph.
Heroes-which has already established their portion of the 18 to 49 demograph.
I don't know.

[Angelus7181]

Fox is so ****ing STUPID!!!

Move it to a different time slot where other networks aren't competing heavily for your main audience!!!

I'm done with them for good once they finish killing this show.

This show is also popular on XBOX Live's marketplace, so I don't get it! :cmad:

[Darkfly]

Fox is so ****ing STUPID!!!

Move it to a different time slot where other networks aren't competing heavily for your main audience!!!

I'm done with them for good once they finish killing this show.

This show is also popular on XBOX Live's marketplace, so I don't get it! :cmad:

I personally can't be angry at F*X this time since they've put a huge advertising campaign behind it & given it a huge budget, its losing against shows like Chuck & Big Bang Theory & while they might be better tv shows :p they don't have the budget or advertising TSCC has.

[Grif]

I personally can't be angry at F*X this time since they've put a huge advertising campaign behind it & given it a huge budget, its losing against shows like Chuck & Big Bang Theory & while they might be better tv shows :p they don't have the budget or advertising TSCC has.

If you ask me Fox is still to blame if they refuse to give The Sarah Connor Chronicles another chance by giving it a different night & time. If they think it is going to do decent during Monday Night Football then they are nuts & as I said if Fox does not give this show a decent one last chance then Fox is still to blame & it just says they wanted this show dead the day they gave it this time slot. I will still blame Fox

[LostSon88]

So i'm checking out a few clips on youtube from season 1 (...I didn't get into the show until later on) and I guess its pretty obvious now why Derek hates Cameron.

As one of John's commanding officers, I guess it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that he was close to Allison Young and was probably duped along with everyone else when Cameron infiltrated the resistance.

[javi1024]

i don't know what it is about this show- i don't like it, but i can't help but watch it. maybe i find the character Cameron so intriguing that i have to figure her out, maybe it's just because it belongs to the Terminator franchise and feel obliged as a fan to watch it. regardless, the bad outweighs the good and if the show was cancelled i wouldn't miss it- i already have enough shows taking up my weeknights, one less a week would be a good thing.