The Sarah Connor Chronicles

[zanos]

If you ask me Fox is still to blame if they refuse to give The Sarah Connor Chronicles another chance by giving it a different night & time. If they think it is going to do decent during Monday Night Football then they are nuts & as I said if Fox does not give this show a decent one last chance then Fox is still to blame & it just says they wanted this show dead the day they gave it this time slot. I will still blame Fox

They could do that but it wouldn't address the inherent flaws in the show which make it so low rated to begin with. Last year it aired during the time when there were no shows on and it still ended up very low rated. Aside from it's huge marketing campaign the show also has enormous name recognition. These two things were not available to shows like Firefly, Drive, Wonderfalls and the countless other shows Fox has cancelled and yet TSCC is still doing horribly. What does that tell you?

[Kingfish]

While I watch the show, and will continue to do so until it is cancelled, I recognize that this is not a good program. Seemingly countless Terminators and resistance fighters get sent back, with absolutely no end in sight, which makes the viewer question the entire narrative of the franchise. The story in the show moves at an absolute snail's pace. And Shirley Manson? Really? We need a lynchpin villain for our second season, lets cast a horse-faced musician with absolutely no acting experience. Can't see how that one could backfire.:whatever:

Honestly, the show probably deserves to be on the way out. Which is a shame, because the first episodes showed a lot of promise. It just hasn't been there creatively since.

[Matt]

They could do that but it wouldn't address the inherent flaws in the show which make it so low rated to begin with. Last year it aired during the time when there were no shows on and it still ended up very low rated. Aside from it's huge marketing campaign the show also has enormous name recognition. These two things were not available to shows like Firefly, Drive, Wonderfalls and the countless other shows Fox has cancelled and yet TSCC is still doing horribly. What does that tell you?

Yeah, Fox can't be blamed for this one. TSCC was dropping in ratings last year when it had no competition due to the writer's strike and no sporting events to compete with. Not to mention they, as you said, advertised the hell out of it.

There are fundamental flaws with the show that the writers failed to fix. That is why its failing.

[Ocramed]

Personally, I thought S1 was tighter than this season, due to the threat of cancellation.

BTW, if "Terminator Salvation" becomes a hit next year, do you think Fox would bring the series back, if it does get cancelled?

O.

[black_dust]

Personally, I thought S1 was tighter than this season, due to the threat of cancellation.

BTW, if "Terminator Salvation" becomes a hit next year, do you think Fox would bring the series back, if it does get cancelled?

O.

well if it does a dark knight and goes massive globally, they would be retarded not to, they are even retarded to cancel it before hand

[Frodo]

Yeah, Fox can't be blamed for this one. TSCC was dropping in ratings last year when it had no competition due to the writer's strike and no sporting events to compete with. Not to mention they, as you said, advertised the hell out of it.

There are fundamental flaws with the show that the writers failed to fix. That is why its failing.

I gotta agree. I can't really blame fox for pulling the plug even though I do think the show is improving ,albeit, too late.

[Nivek]

The show is getting shafted with a crappy timeslot, by all rights it should be moved before it get cancelled. But it's obvious it is more about production values and studio returns than bringing in or keeping viewers.

[Shifty]

Yeah, Fox can't be blamed for this one. TSCC was dropping in ratings last year when it had no competition due to the writer's strike and no sporting events to compete with. Not to mention they, as you said, advertised the hell out of it.

There are fundamental flaws with the show that the writers failed to fix. That is why its failing.

Exactly its been dropping since episode two, 18 million to 10 million. Prison Break has been up against MNF for four years now but when the quality drops so will the viewers. Can't fault Fox for this.

[Spider-Bite]

what are these flaws you guys are complaining about? What is it that you guys don't like about the show?

I think it's incredible. I watch it every week, and it always leaves me dying to see next week's episode.

fox is being stupid. This show is worth alot. It's not simply how much money you make this week. this of of merchandising, statues, t-shirts, and even repeats. Shows like this bring in cash for decades after the show has stopped running. It's like Star Trek. Look at how much money it makes when there isn't even anything new going on. Eventually they pay for themselves several times over. 20 years from now terminator fans could still be watching this show if it continues long enough and doesn't lose it's edge.

As for all this advertising you guys are talking about? where the hell is it? I've seen one commercial in my entire life for this series. And that was way back before the show started. I've watched every single episode, and the only time I ever see a mention of this show during a break is during the actual show. If I'm already watching the show, than I don't need a commerical telling me what time and night it is on.

Aside from that, I've only seen one commerical. I **** you not. and I watch at least 2 hours a day of fox news. Just so I don't give myself a bad name, let me set the record straight and add that I also watch like 3 or 4 hours a day of MSNBC, and maybe sometimes an hour of CNN.

[Double Down]

I stopped watching during the second episode. I turned it on again recently to see what I was missing. And I still was not impressed. This show sealed its fate with poor casting decisions.

[LostSon88]

Poor casting decisions? Care to elaborate?

[Gold Samurai]

well since he stopped at the second episode there's only Lena, Thomas, Summer and the terminators.

Lena a bad choice? Thomas a bad choice?

[Golgo-13]

Jeez, you guys are talking more about the show getting cancelled, than the show itself. I haven't heard talk of cancellation anywhere else besides here.

It's as if some of you want it cancelled. :huh:

[Golgo-13]

well since he stopped at the second episode there's only Lena, Thomas, Summer and the terminators.

Lena a bad choice? Thomas a bad choice?

I think of all the cast members, Lena is the best at portraying her character. She also has the hardest role to sell. It's not easy trying to convincingly portray a femlae badass, without looking cheesy while doing it ala Diaz, Liu and Barrymore in Charlies Angels. Lena truly sells it that she's tough. I truly don't think the show would be the same without her. Dekker's just playing a teenage boy, and it doesn't take Royal Theater training to play the stiff, emotionless robot that Summer plays. Lena's the cast member that's holding the show together.

[Spider-Bite]

I think of all the cast members, Lena is the best at portraying her character. She also has the hardest role to sell. It's not easy trying to convincingly portray a femlae badass, without looking cheesy while doing it ala Diaz, Liu and Barrymore in Charlies Angels. Lena truly sells it that she's tough. I truly don't think the show would be the same without her. Dekker's just playing a teenage boy, and it doesn't take Royal Theater training to play the stiff, emotionless robot that Summer plays. Lena's the cast member that's holding the show together.

Summer Glau has displayed fantastic acting talent throughout this series. I've seen a lot of actors and actresses try to play stiff emotionless vulcans on the various star trek series, and believe it or not, it does take skill to pull it off in a way that keeps you caring about the chracter.

And often times Cameron is pretending not to be a stiff robot, and in those instances she does display emotion, especially in the season two premiere when John was going to deactivate her.

[Lord Blackbolt]

wasn't the premire episode that did the super great ratings...wasn't that on a SUNDAY? Wasn't that also the night where X-files used to be a great ratings winner for Fox as well.

Personally I don't think anything is wrong with the show. It's the timeslot. Monday already has many genre type shows already....

Why not put it on Sunday.

[Nightmare]

They should move it to a sunday. But no im pretty sure the season premiere was on a monday.

[The Apocalypse]

Tomorrows ep looks really good. Too bad the ratings aren't high. :(

[Nightmare]

Whos on MNF tomorrow? If its a bad game, maybe SCC ratings can pick up?

[Matt]

The show is getting shafted with a crappy timeslot, by all rights it should be moved before it get cancelled. But it's obvious it is more about production values and studio returns than bringing in or keeping viewers.

What was the excuse last year when it had no competition in the middle of the winter due to the writer's strike and it consistently dropped and by the end of the season was teetering on five million viewers? Its not getting shafted. Monday night is a killer time slot, football or none. It had an ungodly ammount of advertisment. It is failing because of quality not time slots.

[The Apocalypse]

Whos on MNF tomorrow? If its a bad game, maybe SCC ratings can pick up?

Vikings vs. Saints

[Nightmare]

What was the excuse last year when it had no competition in the middle of the winter due to the writer's strike and it consistently dropped and by the end of the season was teetering on five million viewers? Its not getting shafted. Monday night is a killer time slot, football or none. It had an ungodly ammount of advertisment. It is failing because of quality not time slots.

I blame the writers.

[Shifty]

wasn't the premire episode that did the super great ratings...wasn't that on a SUNDAY? Wasn't that also the night where X-files used to be a great ratings winner for Fox as well.

Personally I don't think anything is wrong with the show. It's the timeslot. Monday already has many genre type shows already....

Why not put it on Sunday.

It premiered after a NFL playoff game. Got 18 million viewers, the next night got 10 million. Then it continued to slide each week hanging around 8/7 million. Fox released the season one DVD and that failed to maintain or boost ratings.

Fox moved SCC back an hour because it was getting slightly higher ratings than Prison Break, which was their lead in. It hasn't worked out. None of the other Monday shows have seen any boosts in TV ratings. ABC, NBC and CBS are either maintaining or seeing small drops. Monday Night Football may be doing great on ESPN (for them) but its not doing better than when it was on ABC. You may still love the show but there are about 4 million people out there that don't share that opinion and another 8 million that didn't even bother to tune in for the 2nd episode. They're watching something else on cable or doing something else.

The X-Files did great on Sundays until the quality dropped in the final four seasons, it was pretty sad seeing that show squeezed for every last penny. If the show was moved in favour of the higher rated Family Guy/American Dad hour and failed on that night then what would you say? And you would want an animated comedy as a lead in?

[The Lizard]

I think Fox should move it to Tuesday and pair it up with Fringe.

[Kingfish]

Out of all nights, it's not moving to Tuesday or Sunday. On Sunday, Fox is not going to break up the Animation block. As for Tuesday, they're not going to move House (their strongest scripted show) for TSCC (one of their weakest). Not only that, such a move would likely cripple Fringe, which gets high ratings BECAUSE of House. So moving TSCC to Tuesdays would hurt two of their highest rated shows and in no way promises a boost to this one.

The only spot I could ever see it moving to is Wednesdays after Bones, replacing Til Death, probably on it's last legs. The move wouldn't hurt Bones at all, and may help TSCC a bit. Either way, there's still a good chance it's on the way out.

[javi1024]

They should move it to a sunday. But no im pretty sure the season premiere was on a monday.
it was a two-night premiere- sunday and monday.

[Nightmare]

K..

[SuperJediHero]

I hope Tonight is good.

[Gold Samurai]

Who says that Smallville has cornered the market on product-placement?
:lol:

Lets all go buy a dodge ram!

[Matt]

Why was an eight year old listed in the phone book?

[dimmutaker]

Why was an eight year old listed in the phone book?


LOL is asked myself the same thing

[Matt]

Also, isn't it amazing that John can get accepted to a military school and into class firing autorifles all in the same day?

Not to mention a man who has basically no identity can get a teaching position.

[Grif]

Cameron is awesome with kids

[SuperJediHero]

B a g :)

[JustABill]

Yeah, if there's one thing wrong with this show they can get into places they shouldn't be able too without any real effort. Though tonight isn't nearly as bad as Sarah and Cameron at the nuclear plant.

[The Chris]

that was freaky.

[Matt]

The killer French kiss was disturbing...and amazing there was no blood on her...spike?

[Matt]

I'm glad they're changing focus to John, but Sarah's subplots are becoming more and more lame each week.

[Gold Samurai]

So who has the most blatant promotion?

Eureka and right guard?

Smallville?

Or Terminator?

The constant Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep product placement is starting to get unnerving.

Cameron/Sarah: Jeep Liberty
Derek/John: Dodge Ram
Ellison: Chrysler Seabring

[Gold Samurai]

The killer French kiss was disturbing...and amazing there was no blood on her...spike?

The producers said on TerminatorFiles (they post there) that they are looking for ways that deliberately scare men for the T-1001 to kill people.

[Matt]

The producers said on TerminatorFiles (they post there) that they are looking for ways that deliberately scare men for the T-1001 to kill people.

Wow, if they focused on the show's fundamental flaws instead of scary ways for the bad singer to kill people the show might not be on the brink of cancelation.

[SuperJediHero]

That woman was pretty Hot!

[dimmutaker]

WOW very powerful episode!!!!

[The Apocalypse]

I thought it was a good ep.

[Symbiotic]

Hey guys, missed tonight's episode. I could be wrong here, but doesn't FOX make these things available to watch online after the TV showing?

[The Chris]

Hey guys, missed tonight's episode. I could be wrong here, but doesn't FOX make these things available to watch online after the TV showing?

Yes they do. fox.com. That's how my bro sees it.

[Spider-Vader]

Tonight's episode was better than last week's. Which I thought was very boring.

[Timstuff]

This was a surprisingly good episode. It was not nearly as "fillery" as I was expecting. So far the only episode that I can say I didn't like this season was "Automatic for the people." I thought that "Allison from Palmdale" was a very mixed bag, but if you skip the boring crap in the hospital it was a pretty food episode. And I was glad to finally see another episode where John isn't acting like a douche!

[Lord Blackbolt]

Also, isn't it amazing that John can get accepted to a military school and into class firing autorifles all in the same day?

Not to mention a man who has basically no identity can get a teaching position.

They have a super computer robot on their team...plus a genius hacker. I think they could forge their way into fort knox at this point...I doubt a military school is any problem

[The Chris]

This was a surprisingly good episode. It was not nearly as "fillery" as I was expecting. So far the only episode that I can say I didn't like this season was "Automatic for the people." I thought that "Allison from Palmdale" was a very mixed bag, but if you skip the boring crap in the hospital it was a pretty food episode. And I was glad to finally see another episode where John isn't acting like a douche!

Yeah I liked John very much tonight.

[Gold Samurai]

The problem with Terminators of the week is that they're so easily disposable(no pun intended for the greene terminator :P ) They're gone faster than you can say kryptonite foe of the week.

Although it probably helped to have some pretty big weapons to handle the trip 8

[LostSon88]

I'm glad they're changing focus to John, but Sarah's subplots are becoming more and more lame each week.

I actually liked her subplot tonight...the whole idea that for even a brief moment, she actually gets to experience what it is like to be a normal mother doing something as ordinary as helping her 'son' on a book report.

Question though about the episode, so by the end it is established that the solder (I already forgot his name, Lol) gives his life to save 40+ prisoners, one of which is John Connor.

But around this timeframe it is already established that John is the leader of the resistance and that they are all under his command, correct?

I'm just trying to clarify...so around the time the solder is killed, it is already established who John Connor is...right? And he is not just some random guy among the prisoners...

[The Chris]

I actually liked her subplot tonight...the whole idea that for even a brief moment, she actually gets to experience what it is like to be a normal mother doing something as ordinary as helping her 'son' on a book report.

Question though about the episode, so by the end it is established that the solder (I already forgot his name, Lol) gives his life to save 40+ prisoners, one of which is John Connor.

But around this timeframe it is already established that John is the leader of the resistance and that they are all under his command, correct?

I'm just trying to clarify...so around the time the solder is killed, it is already established who John Connor is...right? And he is not just some random guy among the prisoners...

I think he is leader by then. And I like these last two subplots for Sarah. It's showing her what she's missing as a mother. She's more four star general to John than mom and she's starting to see that. I like it.

[Banshee]

I actually really liked this episode. I'd probably say its one of the best so far this season for me. I love the relationship between John and Derek more than anything else, as with the baseball scene in the finale last season, so I think thats why I enjoyed this one. The Sarah scenes weren't as bad, and I like that they actually have purpose in showing how she missed out on being a mother, but I'm missing the badass Sarah Connor that is supposed to be the best fighter John ever knew. Also, I don't hae a problem really with Manson or what eer her name is, but I have a problem with that subplot. Ellison last season was awesome... now i just don't care what so ever about him. I mean wooden as Manson may be, she's a terminator so I'll look past it, but the entire subplot is just lame to me.

Either way, I'm much happier with this episode than last. I just hope that Cameron and Sarah start showing why they're Johns protection... and not his babysitters.

[Banshee]

I actually really liked this episode. I'd probably say its one of the best so far this season for me. I love the relationship between John and Derek more than anything else, as with the baseball scene in the finale last season, so I think thats why I enjoyed this one. The Sarah scenes weren't as bad, and I like that they actually have purpose in showing how she missed out on being a mother, but I'm missing the badass Sarah Connor that is supposed to be the best fighter John ever knew. Also, I don't hae a problem really with Manson or what eer her name is, but I have a problem with that subplot. Ellison last season was awesome... now i just don't care what so ever about him. I mean wooden as Manson may be, she's a terminator so I'll look past it, but the entire subplot is just lame to me.

Either way, I'm much happier with this episode than last. I just hope that Cameron and Sarah start showing why they're Johns protection... and not his babysitters.

[TheFuture]

Solid episode. Highlight for me was Derek telling that tool Pyle what war is really all about.

[LadyVader]

Gosh, everybody, look! It's John's magical pair of glasses!

http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/term205-notv-080_0001.jpg
He gets ready to shoot, and they're on his head!

http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/term205-notv-080_0002.jpg
He shoots and they're on his eyes!

http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/term205-notv-081_0003.jpg
He inspects his shot and the glasses conveniently retreat on his head.

http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/term205-notv-081_0002.jpg
He hands over the gun and the glasses are again on his eyes, without touching them once. it's magic I tell ya!

:D

[Scar Predator]

The problem with Terminators of the week is that they're so easily disposable(no pun intended for the greene terminator :P ) They're gone faster than you can say kryptonite foe of the week.

Although it probably helped to have some pretty big weapons to handle the trip 8

I took my awhile to warm up to this but I think it's logical. I recently watched the 1st movie again and Kyle Reese didn't have much in the way of serious weaponry ( until the explosives in the climax) in that movie. Conversely, John has his battle-hardened uncle, his tough-as-nails mom, and his own Terminator all working with him. It stands to reason that a group like this would be able to dispatch single Terminators more readily.

[Scar Predator]

Gosh, everybody, look! It's John's magical pair of glasses!

http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/term205-notv-080_0001.jpg
He gets ready to shoot, and they're on his head!

http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/term205-notv-080_0002.jpg
He shoots and they're on his eyes!

http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/term205-notv-081_0003.jpg
He inspects his shot and the glasses conveniently retreat on his head.

http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/term205-notv-081_0002.jpg
He hands over the gun and the glasses are again on his eyes, without touching them once. it's magic I tell ya!

:D

You just gave away the big secret to the TV series and new trilogy. It turns out that John is able to overcome Skynet because he's a telekenetic mutant who can do things like put his glasses on without touching them.:woot::woot:

[imdaly]

I'll tell ya. I was REALLY impressed by that thin piece of wood bridging that gap over that tar pit thingy in tonight's episode.

I was SURE that the weight of that big 'ol solid metal terminator walking on it would've snapped it, but man, that wood really held its own. ;) :D

[LadyVader]

Maybe that particular T888 was the aluminum version. :D

[Golgo-13]

I liked last nights ep. Conners is getting to do more action.

I think it was rather lame the way the Shirley-nator killed that guy outside the bar, even if he was a pre-mature ejaculator!:D

Next week looks good. We finally get a female T-888.

[DACrowe]

I thought that it was pretty solid. I think the John/Derek scenes were the best and Derek proves to be the strongest character on the show after Cameron. I think his flashbacks are better because he can actually make sense of them and emote. And him giving away future events to John is really fascinating to watch. John has to live with the idea that this guy, Allison, HIS OWN FATHER, likely Cameron and Derek by the end of the show, etc. have to die for the war to unfold the way it does.

Very interesting. I also liked Sarah's subplot.

My only complaints: How did Derek find authentic enough papers to look like an ex-marine and get his nephew into boot camp? And of course Shirley Manson's acting. Killing off that guy at the plant was cool and a nice way to have some liquid effects, by then the pun. And her conversations with Ellison.

Good episode though.

[Golgo-13]

I also agree with what someeone else said;

Sarah's subplots this week and last are getting a bit lame. This is after all The Sarah Conner Chronicles, and we're supposed to be seeing things unravel from her point of view, rather than John's. I like John becoming a bad ass, but Sarah/Lena is supposed to be the show's highlight. I wonder if she got injured during production and had to cut back on some of her action.....?

[Gold Samurai]

I wonder if the female terminator will be the

Aurora
http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/T-808

or Amazon
http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/The_Amazon

Also depending on where you get you Terminator Tech Specs from, some have them weighing close to a ton. Some have them weighing no more than 200 pounds.

[Poetic Chaos]

I never thought I'd see David Silver as such a badass but he absolutely is. Definitely one of the stronger characters in the show. And was that our first look at Kyle in this series?

[LostSon88]

Its our 3rd...he was in a flashback last season when we were first introduced to Derek AND he was shown as a 5-year old kid in the finale.

S44i6sjRNoA

[chesslover]

Gosh, everybody, look! It's John's magical pair of glasses!

http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/term205-notv-080_0001.jpg
He gets ready to shoot, and they're on his head!

http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/term205-notv-080_0002.jpg
He shoots and they're on his eyes!

http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/term205-notv-081_0003.jpg
He inspects his shot and the glasses conveniently retreat on his head.

http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/term205-notv-081_0002.jpg
He hands over the gun and the glasses are again on his eyes, without touching them once. it's magic I tell ya!

:D

You are too observant. I hope you're using your power for good. :woot:

[Nightmare]

lol magical glasses!!

Last night's episode was real good. I loved the part where john got teared up. I Guess its just me, but im finding the whole Agent Elison/Shirley Manson thing extremely boring.

[LadyVader]

You are too observant. I hope you're using your power for good.

I'm really really not. You wouldn't believe the stuff I miss sometimes, which is all the more indication that if they can get me to notice a goof like this... it's really serious.

Agent Elison/Shirley Manson thing extremely boring.
It has a slow momentum but I think it's leading to something good. It'd be loads better if the actors actually had any chemistry. They' both talk so sloooow. :)

[black_dust]

I really really liked this one this week.

Aside from the fact that it has yet another terminator. it was a good story and i like how it all built up to the end line of "He died for John Connor.... we all died for John Connor" It strengthens the fact that John Connors men fully trust, respect and would do anything for him.

I really like Derek now as a character at first i was unsure of him, i would rather see him and John running about than Sarah!

Oh and i also like how Cameron held back (if she did) and see if John could do it on his own, either that or she was hella late

[Gold Samurai]

Anyone else spot the reference to the T1 deleted scene?

There is a scene in T1 that was cut with Kyle breaking down and almost killing Sarah. She wants to go after Cyberdyne (this deleted scene inspired the plot of T2) but Kyle says it's too dangerous. She tries to run from him and he chases her with them fighting. He points the gun at her and regains his senses. He sees a deer and the beautiful forest that they're in and breaks down from all of it saying he was never meant for this world. Sarah convinces him that they need to fight.

[LostSon88]

Did he see a deer in that T1 deleted scene? I just recall him seeing the trees and stuff...

[Nightmare]

Yeah, love that deleted scene.

[Superfreak]

anybody notice the Kyle Reese pipebomb that John pulled out to melt the terminator?

That was a good episode, minus the Sarah stuff. Why minus the Sarah stuff? Because although the concept was fine, the excecution was so hammered in, that it all just seemed forced.

Again, this is one of the better episodes of the show... other than the above, my only comment is this is the second episode in a row with flashforwards that totally crapped out. It was cool seeing Derek and Bedell in the future. But they totally crapped out. 1)they should have show the outdoor battle between Bedell and the tank... 2) they should have shown Kyle carrying Bedell back in hopes of saving him (from Derek's story). I only complain, because like the movies, the real draw for me has always been to see what's going on in the future. But when all you see is a single sewer interesection and a hole is the wall which represents the future, it's a bit of a crap out for me. Simply put: if you're gonna go to future, go to the future, and show us something interesting, rather than try and make the audience hang on the so called compelling interpersonal relationships.

again, good epi, one of the better episode of the series so far

[LadyVader]

They ain't got no money for the future, dawg. :) Sewers are cheap. :D

[LostSon88]

One complaint...I didn't buy Bidell as Derek's superior officer in the future.

[Superfreak]

They ain't got no money for the future, dawg. :) Sewers are cheap. :D

then write narratives that they can produce... instead of half assing ones that require more budget than they have access to. The simplest solution would have been to reduce the size of the battle in the future. Make it that Bedell single handedly held off a large force of endos that had infiltrated a bunker, or better yet, rescue the convoy of prisoners (ie. something within their budget contraints).

like I said, good episode. But a total let down that they built this guy up, but then crapped out on showing his one moment of glory in the future(as far as what the audience has access too). Poor planning I say. Good epi, one of the better ones, but a let down

everything in the school was mint, especially the derek stuff, and even the sarah little boy stuff.
was good.

but like I said, IMO they crapped out on the climax of the episode... and it would have been as simple as taking the 'mega tank' out of the story... and resort to something a little simpler. I mean come on

[Nightmare]

One complaint...I didn't buy Bidell as Derek's superior officer in the future.

I thought he was awesome at the marine camp, They should of gave him a beard for his future look. He looked the same with some scars.

[Mister J]

Pretty good ep overall, for most of the reasons already cited, which I'm too lazy to recap. I was surprised that I didn't become nauseated by the Wizard of Oz narration over the confrontation with the machine.

The Shirleynator must go ...or have something interesting happen already. It's near painful. Ellison can come through like a champ when given decent scenes, but he's being wasted with this. Something's got to give.

[Fanticon]

i haven't caught up yet with this show...i've only seen a few episodes but all my friends tell me i would like it...and from what i've seen i actually did enjoy more than i thought i would.

i heard fox is contemplating canceling though...i know its ratings aren't through the roof but i thought this show was one of their new hits.

[black_dust]

Pretty good ep overall, for most of the reasons already cited, which I'm too lazy to recap. I was surprised that I didn't become nauseated by the Wizard of Oz narration over the confrontation with the machine.

The Shirleynator must go ...or have something interesting happen already. It's near painful. Ellison can come through like a champ when given decent scenes, but he's being wasted with this. Something's got to give.

Indeed she cant act for ****, she should get a glitch with that look and change!!!

[Nightmare]

Shes not pretty either. Why is she even around? Her band was Garbage. Viewers probably watch till she comes out then change it and never put it back. These writers are idiots.

[TheFuture]

Shes not pretty either. Why is she even around? Her band was Garbage. Viewers probably watch till she comes out then change it and never put it back. These writers are idiots.

Was that a pun?:oldrazz:

I think the casting of Manson was totally random, I mean why her? But I don't mind the character, she is manipulating Ellison into hunting Cromartie so she can advance the forthcoming of Skynet with all his inner workings. But it is moving very slowly.

[Gold Samurai]

Was that a pun?:oldrazz:

I think the casting of Manson was totally random, I mean why her?

it was a fluke that she was hired
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/news/sfw_news_20080804.html
Scottish rock star-turned-actress Shirley Manson told SCI FI Wire that it was kind of a fluke that she ended up playing a nefarious businesswoman in the upcoming second season of Fox's Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

"I wasn't looking to officially get into acting," the former lead singer of Garbage said in an interview at Comic-Con International in San Diego over the weekend. "It was something I always wanted to do, but I never really found anything I was interested in."

That's when friend Josh Friedman, the creator of Sarah Connor, called her up. "[He] said, 'Would you be interested in auditioning for the show?'" Manson recalled. "And I said, 'Yeah.' I didn't really think it through; it was just sort of a trigger response, because I was a big Terminator fan. And then he said, 'Well, you need to come in for audition tomorrow.' So I was in the audition process, [and] I got the part before I really understood the full implications of what I'd gotten myself involved in."

I think I read somewhere she was considered because of "The world is not enough" music video

[zanos]

Like I said several pages back she was hired for the role because Friedman was a fan of her music.

[Nightmare]

What a stupid reason to hire someone. No wonder the show is failing in ratings. Friedman is an idiot.

[DACrowe]

Well he actually hired her because she was a friend going through a rough patch. I'm not saying nepotism is good and she was miscast, but zanos just loves trolling this show and saying half-truths about it.

So whatever.

[Nightmare]

Zanos is a liar?

[Gold Samurai]

its small but its something

FOX Terminator Blog:
http://fox.com/blogs/terminator/2008/10/09/status-update/
Because so many of you, our most devoted fans, have been asking, we wanted to set the record straight!

While the fate of the show past production on episode thirteen is still unclear, FOX has given us the go-ahead to write two more additional episodes for this season — fourteen and fifteen.

We are hard at work writing those episodes and await news of a potential pickup for the full “back nine” (additional episodes to complete the season) in the near future. We’re crossing our fingers (and dotting our i’s) that we’ll have more good news to share with you soon…

In the meantime, keep tuning in! Get your friends interested! And thanks for all of your support.

Also it has a lot of online viewership according to Fox. There were so many people watching Monday's episode on Tuesday (they upload at 9:00am the next morning) that it overloaded Fox's server.

[Nightmare]

Wish they'd take a hint then.

[zanos]

Well he actually hired her because she was a friend going through a rough patch. I'm not saying nepotism is good and she was miscast, but zanos just loves trolling this show and saying half-truths about it.

So whatever.

Friedman has been described as a huge fan of SM/Garbage. Yes he's friends with her but does Friedman hire all his friends to be in TSCC even if they have absolutely no acting experience? Of course not. A big part of the reason why he gave her an opportunity was his admiration for her music.

[Symbiotic]

I got caught up on Monday's episode on FOX.com last night. I must say, I enjoyed it and I look forward to what the rest of the season has in store.

[Superfreak]

Friedman has been described as a huge fan of SM/Garbage. Yes he's friends with her but does Friedman hire all his friends to be in TSCC even if they have absolutely no acting experience? Of course not. A big part of the reason why he gave her an opportunity was his admiration for her music.

dude, she's terrible, we all get it. I hate her too. Ugly, and unable to act. Two signs that you shouldn't be on TV. Friedman is the same IMO, maybe even worse. How did you get this job son? You are an amateur with a strong budget.

could you imagine this show under the BSG crew? Eick and Moore would have made this show worthy of the title Terminator

[mr. peasant]

then write narratives that they can produce... instead of half assing ones that require more budget than they have access to. The simplest solution would have been to reduce the size of the battle in the future. Make it that Bedell single handedly held off a large force of endos that had infiltrated a bunker, or better yet, rescue the convoy of prisoners (ie. something within their budget contraints).

If they wrote narratives based on budgetary constraints, you'd almost never get any glimpses of the future whatsoever, except perhaps one or two per series. The expenses isn't so much with sets but with CGI and other special effects. As such, your suggestion of endos infiltrating a bunker (unless you mean they still are more or less still covered with skin) wouldn't quite work. Explosions, etc. costs money too.

Instead, their current strategy of 'creatively' working around their monetary limitation at least gives them that bit more freedom over the storyline, which is important considering how producers already like to control the story.

[Angelus7181]

Is tonight going to be a repeat, or more political crap interferences?

[PimpDaddyDOC-OCK]

Are any of the World Series games going to effect TSCC in any way?

[Superfreak]

If they wrote narratives based on budgetary constraints, you'd almost never get any glimpses of the future whatsoever, except perhaps one or two per series. The expenses isn't so much with sets but with CGI and other special effects. As such, your suggestion of endos infiltrating a bunker (unless you mean they still are more or less still covered with skin) wouldn't quite work. Explosions, etc. costs money too.

Instead, their current strategy of 'creatively' working around their monetary limitation at least gives them that bit more freedom over the storyline, which is important considering how producers already like to control the story.


I have no idea what you are saying: at first you are saying they shouldn't take budget into account, then in the second paragraph you are

what I'm saying is this: if they are going to go to the future, where budget becomes a problem, don't conceptualize a massive battle with a 'new' monster tank in your narrative, especially when you can't show said battle (essentially the climax for the Bedell character).

this is not working creatively with your budget, infact, it's really not taking budget into consideration at all. This is actually: planning something that is well beyond their budget, and therefore not showing any of it, because they can't afford to. Which makes no sense to me. What would make sense, is if the 'future battle' was planned to be something within their budgetary means, not something they could never bring to the screen because it is too expensive: POOR PLANNING


and please, we are talking about reducing costs: OF COURSE THE ENDOS WOULD BE COVERED IN SKIN. To even question that is ludacris, given the framing of making a cheaper battle, so they can actually show the climax of the episode, rather than getting it hearsay/secondhand from a witness. This is TV, a visual medium, show us what we want to see, don't tell us about it after the fact.

[mr. peasant]

I have no idea what you are saying: at first you are saying they shouldn't take budget into account, then in the second paragraph you are

what I'm saying is this: if they are going to go to the future, where budget becomes a problem, don't conceptualize a massive battle with a 'new' monster tank in your narrative, especially when you can't show said battle (essentially the climax for the Bedell character).

this is not working creatively with your budget, infact, it's really not taking budget into consideration at all. This is actually: planning something that is well beyond their budget, and therefore not showing any of it, because they can't afford to. Which makes no sense to me. What would make sense, is if the 'future battle' was planned to be something within their budgetary means, not something they could never bring to the screen because it is too expensive: POOR PLANNING


and please, we are talking about reducing costs: OF COURSE THE ENDOS WOULD BE COVERED IN SKIN. To even question that is ludacris, given the framing of making a cheaper battle, so they can actually show the climax of the episode, rather than getting it hearsay/secondhand from a witness. This is TV, a visual medium, show us what we want to see, don't tell us about it after the fact.

What I'm saying is that instead of worrying about costs while penning the stories, what the makers are doing is to find creative solutions to the script, editing it wherever they can't. This is not poor planning at all since it's worse not to attempt something and then realize later that they could, making it a missed opportunity. Lots of people have gone with this philosophy. For instance, Joss Whedon when making Serenity, was frequently trying to work around the budgetary limitations to meet his vision. And in my opinion, it would be far worse planning to blow the budget early on only to run out come the finale.

Besides, though the story being told was about that guy who died, the focus was more on Derek's experience of the event. As such, it was less important (story- and theme-wise) to show what was going on outside (basically eye candy) compared to what was going on inside and Derek's reaction to everything that was going down (the actual plot and point of the flashforwards).

[Nightmare]

Tonight will be MLB playoffs. A new episode to be followed next week.

[Superfreak]

What I'm saying is that instead of worrying about costs while penning the stories, what the makers are doing is to find creative solutions to the script, editing it wherever they can't. This is not poor planning at all since it's worse not to attempt something and then realize later that they could, making it a missed opportunity. Lots of people have gone with this philosophy. For instance, Joss Whedon when making Serenity, was frequently trying to work around the budgetary limitations to meet his vision. And in my opinion, it would be far worse planning to blow the budget early on only to run out come the finale.

Besides, though the story being told was about that guy who died, the focus was more on Derek's experience of the event. As such, it was less important (story- and theme-wise) to show what was going on outside (basically eye candy) compared to what was going on inside and Derek's reaction to everything that was going down (the actual plot and point of the flashforwards).


a more creative solution to the script would have been to reduce the size of the battle to one that they could manage within budget constraints. Not just cut the whole thing out because it was designed to be way to big for buget in the first place. Given the time constraint of the episode, it would have been no more than a 5 second shot of him running through a junkyard.

what we got wasn't even a creative solution, they just cut it out. That's not creative at all.

I'm still sayin it was a good epi, but that had they thrown in a 5 second shot of him running with the magic bullet and setting it off, the story would have been far more complete as a single serving episode.

[mr. peasant]

I dunno... Ultimately, I guess we just have differing opinions on the matter. I for one don't really think a brief clip (especially something as short as five seconds) of the guy running with the device was really necessary. On the other hand, it was more important watching Derek and John's respective reactions as the former told the story.

[christhn]

What I'm saying is that instead of worrying about costs while penning the stories, what the makers are doing is to find creative solutions to the script, editing it wherever they can't. This is not poor planning at all since it's worse not to attempt something and then realize later that they could, making it a missed opportunity. Lots of people have gone with this philosophy. For instance, Joss Whedon when making Serenity, was frequently trying to work around the budgetary limitations to meet his vision. And in my opinion, it would be far worse planning to blow the budget early on only to run out come the finale.

This is a very insightful post. Remember the season finale last season? All the cops died and the camera never had to stray from that shot under the pool. The bodies just kept getting dumped in; we totally got the message and it was cheap to accomplish. It also came off as fairly artistic.

[BlackLantern]

This is a very insightful post. Remember the season finale last season? All the cops died and the camera never had to stray from that shot under the pool. The bodies just kept getting dumped in; we totally got the message and it was cheap to accomplish. It also came off as fairly artistic.

One of my favorite sequences of the first season...dead bodies and Johnny Cash playing in the background....

[Superfreak]

One of my favorite sequences of the first season...dead bodies and Johnny Cash playing in the background....

that was the only really good sequence in season 1... I think had that not happened, season 1 would have been excessively meh. That last scene saved the season, and probably saved season 2

[zanos]

That scene was one of the most pathetic excuses for an action sequence in the history of television.

[Superfreak]

That scene was one of the most pathetic excuses for an action sequence in the history of television.

indeed, however it cost them no money to do it, and it was the only really good thing to come out of season 1. It was a good, cheap solution, that got the point across VISUALLY, this is TV after all.

[DACrowe]

Hm. I thought it was a great sequence. It is far more memorable and has much more impact than most TV-shootouts, even in favorites like 24.

[BenReilly]

http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/fox-picks-up-te.html

October 17, 2008
Fox picks up 'Terminator' for full season

In a somewhat surprising move, Fox has picked up "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" for a full season.

The network has ordered the back nine episodes of the show's second season from Warner Bros., sources say.

The sci-fi series has garnered a relatively modest rating on Monday nights this fall. Its most recent episode was seen by 5.7 million viewers, with a 2.3 adults 18-49 rating and a 6 share, tying NBC's "Chuck" in the 8 p.m. time period.

Will get some clarity on this on Monday, but there's a few reasons why Fox might have moved forward with an order.

The network recently ordered two scripts of the show, so perhaps the stories came in strong. Midseason sci-fi drama "Dollhouse" might be another factor -- Fox's previously announced winter schedule pairs "Dollhouse" and "24" on Mondays and "American Idol" and "Fringe" on Tuesdays, without "Terminator" listed. So perhaps the network has a new scheduling configuration in mind to support its sci-fi efforts.

Yet another potential factor is that "Dollhouse" has had some creative struggles. Sources say the newer scripts are stronger than the first batch, but if there's any chance of the show being delayed Fox might have decided to keep "Terminator" in the mix.

One of the most likely reasons, however, is simply that Fox executives like this show. They feel it is creatively strong. The network's overall ratings jet up after the first of the year powered by "American Idol." I suspect they believe the series has a realistic chance to improve.

[Mister J]

That is surprising ...and welcomed.

[Gold Samurai]

Also it was revealed on TerminatorFiles what saved the show:

Online viewings.

So continue to blow out that FOX server



So, it seems that Savannah knows that something's not quite right with mommy. This is a clip from Monday's upcoming episode and seems to confirm that Mansonator has replaced the real Weaver
________________
http://fox.com/fod/play.php?sh=tscc&ep=1224009136137

[BlackLantern]

I don't see Dollhouse doing anything....I give it 5 episodes before it's done like dinner

[JustABill]

Yay for online viewers! =D

[The Chris]

Thank god, more terminator.

[Grif]

At least they have more time to plan a series finale :woot: Now they have to change the day & time slot if they want the fans to get excited

[BlackLantern]

It's fine where it's at....if they move it, it screws up the rest of my schedule

[Grif]

Either way this was a mercy renew. If they canceled this show now they would have no shows for that time slot & if Doll House tanks which it more then likely will Fox would have no problem killing that as well leaving them with an empty time slot. I highly doubt the online viewers saved the show. Its to have an show in that time slot. The creators better be using the rest of the season to bring things to a close. Like it could end before T4 begins or something & be a tie in

[BlackLantern]

I was under the impression the show and the movie were separate entities...I actually prefer it that way

[Grif]

I was under the impression the show and the movie were separate entities...I actually prefer it that way

That was just a random idea & I just hope the show creators plan a good series finale

[Gold Samurai]

I highly doubt the online viewers saved the show. Its to have an show in that time slot.

When viewers blow out a server of a major tv network you can bet they'll pay attention

Fox is counting online viewership of TSCC in addition to the Nielson ratings.
Plus they count more than one viewing. They're also counting iTunes downloads.

[BlackLantern]

Networks aren't "counting" it...they are noting the numbers...but if a show still has a **** TV rating, regardless of what it does online, it will still get the ax

[KenK]

But they're getting ad revenue from online viewings, aren't they?

[M.O.Steel]

yes...but an unproportionately large part of their income comes from the TV.

[zanos]

indeed, however it cost them no money to do it, and it was the only really good thing to come out of season 1. It was a good, cheap solution, that got the point across VISUALLY, this is TV after all.

Getting the point across doesn't equal good tv or ratings.

[LostSon88]

Let's just be happy that the show has been renewed. Especially after all those weeks of speculation of the shows demise.

I for one, am relieved...it looks like I will end up getting Season 1 on DVD, now that I know that there will not be an abrupt end to the show ala Dark Angel...at least not for a while.

[BlackLantern]

Dark Angel deserved to be put down like a rabid dog

[LostSon88]

Maybe so, but I was invested in the show and was totally short changed when they ended the series the way they did...with a cliffhanger never to be fulfilled.

It felt like a complete waste of my time.

At least with TSCC, they have the time to at least prepare a finale that can serve as both a series/season finale, should worst come to worst.

[BlackLantern]

that's what you get for watching a **** show in the first place....as for finales and proper endings...in TV it is something you have to earn IMO....no show is entitled to a proper 'finale'

[LostSon88]

Please enlighten me then as to what a show has to do to "earn" a proper finale.

And don't tell me its quality, because even s*** shows got proper finales.

[BlackLantern]

..well IMO a show should have a minimum of 3 seasons before a series finale is even considered...another factor is does the finale help or hinder the shows rewatch value...

I was a fan of SG-1 and I thought their finale was weak....and that was on for 10 years

[Sawyer]

I don't see Dollhouse doing anything....I give it 5 episodes before it's done like dinner

Then you clearly dont know Joss Whedon. But this is neither the time nor the place.

[BlackLantern]

I spent a fair amount of time watching 'Buffy' and 'Angel'...I feel his best writing was done on 'Angel'...Ive also read his X-Men run...I think he's a great talent, but you can't knock them all out of the park....this show is too 'complicated' for the general tv watching audience....

[Sawyer]

I spent a fair amount of time watching 'Buffy' and 'Angel'...I feel his best writing was done on 'Angel'...Ive also read his X-Men run...I think he's a great talent, but you can't knock them all out of the park....this show is too 'complicated' for the general tv watching audience....

That's a good point. The general audience is mostly full of American Idol-watching retards.

[BlackLantern]

American Idol pulls 20 plus million viewers a broadcast....any showrunner would kill for that...shows like 'Heroes' and 'TSCC' have tricked the general populace into watching sci-fi...but you can only push it so far

[Gold Samurai]

not to mention Dancing with the stars whooping Terminator

[DACrowe]

I spent a fair amount of time watching 'Buffy' and 'Angel'.

Obviously you have not seen Firefly.

[BlackLantern]

I own the 'Firefly' box set...my point being that 'DollHouse' will meet the same fate...

[psygarb]

I feel as though I must come to Shirley Manson's aid. She is playing a f***king robot/power b**tch. Is she suppose to be sweet and funny? C'mon, I agree that she doesn't always look great on this show..but even the most beautiful woman can look bad with bad lighting and bad hair. Google pics of here..including the most the resent Golden Apple pics or pics from the "bleed like me" tour. Ive seen her up-close in concert and she has always been a striking beauty.

Hopefully they will give Shirley a scene where she is human like they did with Camaron/Allison .
Anyhow here is an excerpt from the a recent article with Shirley Manson:

"If anything, the flamboyant front-woman used to being a commanding presence in front of thousands of fans is required to underact in the show. When she’s not morphing into killing mode, Weaver speaks in crisp lines, and moves with angular precision. Just the way corporate über-bosses, or sociopathic cyborgs, are meant to.

“I knew that would be to my detriment,” Manson says of her purposefully “stiff” acting. “If I was just a neutral actress coming out of nowhere to be on the show, 99.9 per cent of people would just accept the actress as the character. But when you’re known for something else, people are immediately looking for every flaw and nuance in your performance. I knew that there would be people looking at me going, ‘Well, she’s really stiff!’ But that was a deliberate choice – not to be flamboyant.”

And nothing like a rock star. “No! I had to really focus on trying to keep as still as possible. But I felt she should be weird. She shouldn’t be particularly human.”

complete article :http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article4954930.ece

Great news on the show's full season btw!

[Gold Samurai]

FOX (http://www.fox.com/terminator):
What would a T-1001 need with a doctor? Sarah, John and Cameron may soon find out as they track down another name on their list. Elsewhere, a woman from Derek's past surprises him in the present.

this is the last new episode until November 3. Also check out the preview clip on the last page

[black_dust]

I feel as though I must come to Shirley Manson's aid. She is playing a f***king robot/power b**tch. Is she suppose to be sweet and funny? C'mon, I agree that she doesn't always look great on this show..but even the most beautiful woman can look bad with bad lighting and bad hair. Google pics of here..including the most the resent Golden Apple pics or pics from the "bleed like me" tour. Ive seen her up-close in concert and she has always been a striking beauty.

Hopefully they will give Shirley a scene where she is human like they did with Camaron/Allison .
Anyhow here is an excerpt from the a recent article with Shirley Manson:

"If anything, the flamboyant front-woman used to being a commanding presence in front of thousands of fans is required to underact in the show. When she’s not morphing into killing mode, Weaver speaks in crisp lines, and moves with angular precision. Just the way corporate über-bosses, or sociopathic cyborgs, are meant to.

“I knew that would be to my detriment,” Manson says of her purposefully “stiff” acting. “If I was just a neutral actress coming out of nowhere to be on the show, 99.9 per cent of people would just accept the actress as the character. But when you’re known for something else, people are immediately looking for every flaw and nuance in your performance. I knew that there would be people looking at me going, ‘Well, she’s really stiff!’ But that was a deliberate choice – not to be flamboyant.”

And nothing like a rock star. “No! I had to really focus on trying to keep as still as possible. But I felt she should be weird. She shouldn’t be particularly human.”

complete article :http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article4954930.ece

Great news on the show's full season btw!


No no no no, thats a poor poor excuse "Im stiff in my actions because im a robot" Ummm so was Arnold and so was Robert Patrick and they did awesome jobs playing robots in the films with out looking "stiff" she just sucks as an actress

[BlackLantern]

I watched 'T2' over the weekend....Patrick is very cold....you know he's not human....

[black_dust]

I watched 'T2' over the weekend....Patrick is very cold....you know he's not human....

what about the parts in the arcade or when he went to Johns foster parents house. looking for john

Played a pretty convincing robot/human infiltrator there. classy acting.

[ord0g]

It's good to see the show picked up for a full season but it still hasn't been that great as yet. I hope they start picking up steam now that they're locked in for a full 22 eps.

[The Apocalypse]

Obviously you have not seen Firefly.

I had it too. Boring show.

[The Guardian]

DUDE THE LITTLE GIRL IS HUMAN:eek: WHICH MEANS MOMMY'S PROBABLY DEAD,:( THE T-1000 IS CREEPY!!!:shock:D

[Golgo-13]

Yeah. The girl is the Daughter of the real Ms.Weaver. I wonder why the Shirley-nator didn't kill her too? She knows something's up with mommy.

[Golgo-13]

Cameron is dipatching these weekly Terminators too easily. The fight between her and the female terminator was lame.

I'm curious to see what Dereks gf has up her sleeve.

Whats up with all these 2 week breaks. :cmad:

[KenK]

World Series, I assume.

[Gold Samurai]

that's gotta be the quickest disposal of the Terminator of the week yet

came at 7:30 my time and was destroyed by 7:55 pm.

[SPIDER-MAN-ROX]

DUDE THE LITTLE GIRL IS HUMAN:eek: WHICH MEANS MOMMY'S PROBABLY DEAD,:( THE T-1000 IS CREEPY!!!:shock:D

The little girl's real mother probably died in the helicopter crash with her husband that they keep alluding to. I wonder if the terminator cut the baby from the real mothers body before she killed the mother/parents or was the girl a couple of years old when the parents were killed & actually witnessed it happening & remembered it happening etc? Can Terminators mimic the warmth of a human body & heart beat, maybe the little girl doesn't want anything to do with her because she can't feel these things coming from this strange woman that claims to be her mother. Maybe they should do a backstory episode to explain everything. What was the reason the terminator kept the little girl alive & what is her supposed purpose in the future?

[Kable24]

Oct. 20--Despite modest ratings so far this fall, "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" will be back.

FOX has given the second-year series a full-season order, the showbiz trade papers report. It becomes the second sophomore show, along with time-period rival "Chuck" on NBC, to earn a full-season order coming out of a strike-shortened first year.

The pickup comes even though "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" has experienced a ratings dropoff so far this season. The series is averaging about 5.8 million viewers per week thus far, down more than 3 million viewers from its first-season average. It's drawing a 2.5 rating in the adults 18-49 demographic, which puts the show in a third-place tie (with "Chuck") in its 8 p.m. Monday timeslot.

Those numbers will probably tick up some in the coming weeks as the "live plus 7" DVR ratings are rolled into the show's average. The show picked up about 760,000 viewers in the plus-7 numbers for its Sept. 22 broadcast, an increase of almost 13 percent.

FOX can also hope that its usual upswing in viewers after the new year, thanks to the return of "American Idol" and "24," will lend a hand to all its shows.

Additionally, the ratings struggles for "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" are hardly unique. Nearly every second-year series whose first season was truncated because of the writers strike has suffered ratings declines this fall.


http://www.verizon.net/newsroom/portals/newsroom.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=newsroom_portal_page__article&_article=1351324

[Matt]

My guess is they will hold out until at least the movie, see if that does anything to spark interest, and if not, pull the plug.

[Matt]

Anyhow, does anyone else find this all ridiculously elaborate. Time travel is clearly very easy for the machines (and humans for that matter) in the continuity of The Sarah Connor Chronicles. So, instead of going through all the trouble of setting up dummy corporations to create the machines and start a war, why not just travel through time...kill Sarah Connor when she was a baby or taking a crap or something along those lines, which would prevent Miles Dyson from ever dying, Skynet would be formed...and there we go, humans lose.

Thats why I hate all these time travel plots. By my estimate we have 4 or 5 characters from the future in play in the present TSCC continuity. That is too many. Plus when you factor in the ones they've killed, they are in the double digits. They've over played their hand on the time travel and now it is creating massive logic holes.

[Matt]

The little girl's real mother probably died in the helicopter crash with her husband that they keep alluding to. I wonder if the terminator cut the baby from the real mothers body before she killed the mother/parents or was the girl a couple of years old when the parents were killed & actually witnessed it happening & remembered it happening etc? Can Terminators mimic the warmth of a human body & heart beat, maybe the little girl doesn't want anything to do with her because she can't feel these things coming from this strange woman that claims to be her mother. Maybe they should do a backstory episode to explain everything. What was the reason the terminator kept the little girl alive & what is her supposed purpose in the future?

Well, the psychiatrist said that Savannah has memories of hearing her father's death on the news, so she was probably at least 3.

[Spider-Bite]

Anyhow, does anyone else find this all ridiculously elaborate. Time travel is clearly very easy for the machines (and humans for that matter) in the continuity of The Sarah Connor Chronicles. So, instead of going through all the trouble of setting up dummy corporations to create the machines and start a war, why not just travel through time...kill Sarah Connor when she was a baby or taking a crap or something along those lines, which would prevent Miles Dyson from ever dying, Skynet would be formed...and there we go, humans lose.

Thats why I hate all these time travel plots. By my estimate we have 4 or 5 characters from the future in play in the present TSCC continuity. That is too many. Plus when you factor in the ones they've killed, they are in the double digits. They've over played their hand on the time travel and now it is creating massive logic holes.

well perhaps her name and address wasn't in the phone book when she was a baby, or perhaps in a different timeline, that did happen and somebody had went back in time to stop that from happening. Plus Dyson wasn't the original creator. He only helped back engineer the terminator left from the first movie. Even if he had been killed as a baby, the original inventors would still have invented it, just at a later date.

there are a ton of variables as to why they didn't do it that way, and considering the fact that John and Sarah Conner are both trying to stop judgement day, it's understandable that skynet would send so many cyborgs to the past to make sure all goes as planned.

[DACrowe]

That and it was still established in T1 that Skynet has no records of Sarah Connor before 1984, hence that was the chosen year to try and terminate her.

I didn't see last night's episode. Was it good or not so much?

[DarkSuperman]

Oct. 20--Despite modest ratings so far this fall, "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" will be back.

FOX has given the second-year series a full-season order, the showbiz trade papers report. It becomes the second sophomore show, along with time-period rival "Chuck" on NBC, to earn a full-season order coming out of a strike-shortened first year.

The pickup comes even though "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" has experienced a ratings dropoff so far this season. The series is averaging about 5.8 million viewers per week thus far, down more than 3 million viewers from its first-season average. It's drawing a 2.5 rating in the adults 18-49 demographic, which puts the show in a third-place tie (with "Chuck") in its 8 p.m. Monday timeslot.

Those numbers will probably tick up some in the coming weeks as the "live plus 7" DVR ratings are rolled into the show's average. The show picked up about 760,000 viewers in the plus-7 numbers for its Sept. 22 broadcast, an increase of almost 13 percent.

FOX can also hope that its usual upswing in viewers after the new year, thanks to the return of "American Idol" and "24," will lend a hand to all its shows.

Additionally, the ratings struggles for "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" are hardly unique. Nearly every second-year series whose first season was truncated because of the writers strike has suffered ratings declines this fall.


http://www.verizon.net/newsroom/portals/newsroom.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=newsroom_portal_page__article&_article=1351324

This show needs to move to Wednesday.

[black_dust]

I knew John killed that guy from the very start seems to be stung out so long for something that was quite predictable.

Like Matt said in the SCC universe it seems going back in time is like catching a bus! why the hell did skynet send one Arnie back to 1984 when it could have sent 30! I feel they are really over doing it 70% of the cast are now from the future

[Philly Phanboy]

Cameron is dipatching these weekly Terminators too easily. The fight between her and the female terminator was lame.

I thought the death by yoga pretzle, while unique, really didn't fit into the Terminator mythos either. :down

I'm curious to see what Dereks gf has up her sleeve.
Nice to see Stephanie Jacobsen get some work again. She was awsome in BSG:Razor.

[black_dust]

I thought the death by yoga pretzle, while unique, really didn't fit into the Terminator mythos either. :down

Yeah i dont think they should have even stopped fighting when people got into the lift. what was the point?

[Matt]

I knew John killed that guy from the very start seems to be stung out so long for something that was quite predictable.

Like Matt said in the SCC universe it seems going back in time is like catching a bus! why the hell did skynet send one Arnie back to 1984 when it could have sent 30! I feel they are really over doing it 70% of the cast are now from the future

Exactly.

[Golgo-13]

Yeah i dont think they should have even stopped fighting when people got into the lift. what was the point?

I'm assuming to maintain their cover as being 'normal'.

And assuming that this Terminator was an advance model (by the chip un-able to be reprogrammed) the female Terminator seemed even stiffer than Cameron.

[Golgo-13]

I knew John killed that guy from the very start seems to be stung out so long for something that was quite predictable.

Like Matt said in the SCC universe it seems going back in time is like catching a bus! why the hell did skynet send one Arnie back to 1984 when it could have sent 30! I feel they are really over doing it 70% of the cast are now from the future

Maybe there's a limit on how far they can go back. maybe it has to be within 10 years or so (just using 10 as an example), cause if that was the case, Skynet could have easily send a Terminator back to kill Sarahs grandparents, or whatever.....but then again, in T1 Skynet didn't know what Sarah looked like, thus why The Terminator was killing all the Conners from the phone book. Now that the time-line has been altered, does Skynet know what Sarah loooks like?

It's all becoming confusing, but i'm sure if The Shirley-nator knew that that was 'The' John Conners playing with her daughter in the lounge, she would have killed him there and then.....or would she? Killing Conners is a mission priority to Skynet, but killing him right there and then would have blown her 'cover', as she seems to have a hand in Skynets very creation...i wonder what she would have done.......

[mr. peasant]

Like Matt said in the SCC universe it seems going back in time is like catching a bus! why the hell did skynet send one Arnie back to 1984 when it could have sent 30!

So that the protagonist can logically overcome and defeat the Terminator at the end of the movie/episode. It's a show; it's a necessity breach in rationality. It's akin to why Siths only exist as master and apprentice, etc.

I feel they are really over doing it 70% of the cast are now from the future

But that's part of the general plot of the story. The war in the future is spilling into the past, which is why Sarah and particularly John is getting so stressed out.


On a separate issue, was anyone else a little confused regarding the significance of the psychologist? I mean, why was it so important to save him? Additionally, why did the T-1001 recruit him in when at the same time, another Terminator seemed sent to execute him? Could the latter Terminator be working for the Resistance? Or is Shirley Manson's character not aligned with Skynet?

[Spider-Fan83]

^Shirley Manson's character, was probably sent back before, Skynet, (in the furture) discovers, the psychologists connection to Connors
so, she wouldn’t have knowledge of it
.
and at the same time, Skynet, wouldn't necessarily know about her using him in the past( ,yet??)
or sometime like that :huh:

[black_dust]

Maybe there's a limit on how far they can go back. maybe it has to be within 10 years or so (just using 10 as an example), cause if that was the case, Skynet could have easily send a Terminator back to kill Sarahs grandparents, or whatever.....but then again, in T1 Skynet didn't know what Sarah looked like, thus why The Terminator was killing all the Conners from the phone book. Now that the time-line has been altered, does Skynet know what Sarah loooks like?

It's all becoming confusing, but i'm sure if The Shirley-nator knew that that was 'The' John Conners playing with her daughter in the lounge, she would have killed him there and then.....or would she? Killing Conners is a mission priority to Skynet, but killing him right there and then would have blown her 'cover', as she seems to have a hand in Skynets very creation...i wonder what she would have done.......


The T-1001 would have killed John there and then if she knew it were him, Skynet winning all depends on John dying in the past so she wouldnt have cared if they were "blown" they would have won. Also Skynet knows nothing about Sarah apart from where she lived in 1984

mr. peasant
it does seem to be contradicting itself that skynet wants him dead yet, the t-1001 hired him to "raise" skynet into existence, i wouldnt have thought that advance terminator was with the resistance as it killed that bus driver at the start

[Spider-Bite]

I knew John killed that guy from the very start seems to be stung out so long for something that was quite predictable.

Like Matt said in the SCC universe it seems going back in time is like catching a bus! why the hell did skynet send one Arnie back to 1984 when it could have sent 30! I feel they are really over doing it 70% of the cast are now from the future
it's possible, well extremely likely, that the energy requirements for time travel are extreme and enourmous.

[Banshee]

Last nights episode was the first episode I thought was a total dead loss. Boring. Even the fight. This plot line with the t-1001 is terrible, and not because of Shirley Manson, though she doesn't do anything to help it. It's just boring. The plot lines last season were far more engaging. I'm starting to lose interest in the show... I'm going to wait it out and keep watching. But I'm not impressed.

[Spider-Fan83]

anyone else think, that they need to balance out the action, and character development episodes, its seem like they go extremely either one way or the other

it seem like it either an all character driven episode, or an all action episode

[Spider-Bite]

I thought last night's episode was really good

[Nightmare]

I thought it was kinda lame, John Connor, the future leader of the Resistance needs mental help. Psh..

[LostSon88]

He killed a man. You mean to tell me you wouldn't need some counseling?

[Nightmare]

Not if i was John Freakin Connor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cmad:

This aint just a boy. This is the future Leader of all man kind!

[LostSon88]

He's a 17 year old kid that has the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE riding on his shoulders...

Seriously...you don't think he'd have some issues?

[LadyVader]

Obviously the entire human race is not riding JUST on his shoulders since there are lots of people the machines want to kill. It has stopped being just about him a long time ago, ever since the pilot actually.

[TheFuture]

I thought it was kinda lame, John Connor, the future leader of the Resistance needs mental help. Psh..

Jeez man, after all he's been through so far while knowing what will be awaiting him in the future you can't really blame a teenager for letting it get all on top of him. I know this is slightly surreal to say given the nature of the show, but it would be incredibly unrealistic if young John totally embraced what he was to become from the get go, the mind is fragile.

[Superfreak]

it was a good episode: but I'd just like to say that they had already introduced a psychologist/psychiatrist who could have filled this role last season. Someone who would fit far better into the confidentiality side of the Connor family issues: Silberman.

yes, he's a bit nutz.

the new guy is good, but i'd rather have Silberman as the person helping John, Savannah, the T1001 both in her mothering and her work, and Sarah. It would make the story click together more than introducing new characters all the time.

[Timstuff]

It's all becoming confusing, but i'm sure if The Shirley-nator knew that that was 'The' John Conners playing with her daughter in the lounge, she would have killed him there and then.....or would she? Killing Conners is a mission priority to Skynet, but killing him right there and then would have blown her 'cover', as she seems to have a hand in Skynets very creation...i wonder what she would have done.......

She's a 1000 series Terminator. She could have easily just morphed into a janitor or something before offing John, and her "Catherine Weaver" persona would remain perfectly safe. Fate was on John's side when he barely avoided running into her.

it was a good episode: but I'd just like to say that they had already introduced a psychologist/psychiatrist who could have filled this role last season. Someone who would fit far better into the confidentiality side of the Connor family issues: Silberman.

Yeah, but unfortunately the actor who played Silberman is probably too busy with that crappy Knight Rider show. :o

[Matt]

Not to mention Sarah at best does not trust Silberman, at worst, wants to kill him for practically torturing her.

[Matt]

it's possible, well extremely likely, that the energy requirements for time travel are extreme and enourmous.

You say that, but the show contradicts you being as we have a new character sent back in time on a weekly basis. Often more than one.

[kane9321]

Savannah is a part of something big in the future....why else would "Shirleynator" keep her alive....

Derek's girl- maybe she was sent back in time "to kill john connor". Maybe a few humans dont like how he's running things in future,maybe they want someone else to lead?

[The Chris]

So, does derek's girl want to kill John I wonder? She better not. That would be stupid on her part. Yeah, make everything better for the human race by killing his savior. Yeah I hope not.

[Timstuff]

Not to mention Sarah at best does not trust Silberman, at worst, wants to kill him for practically torturing her.

That too.

[Nightmare]

Does anyone else cringe like me when i see Shirly-1000 pop up on tv for a scene, even her killing scenes have been pretty brief and boring.

[Ratcrawler]

I think this has been a pretty phenomonal show so far.

[M.O.Steel]

that asian chick was so hot...althought she had nothing upstairs or downstairs.

[Gold Samurai]

Not to mention Sarah at best does not trust Silberman, at worst, wants to kill him for practically torturing her.

and Silberman is busy keeping tabs on KITT

and just a minor correction for some people, Catherine Weaver is a T-1001.

The production staff can't use the T-800 or the T-1000 because james cameron owns the rights to them.

Thats what we have the Triple 8 terminator and in Terminator 3 Arnies model was the t-850

The Connor family is obviously available to be used in media formats.

[Superfreak]

Not to mention Sarah at best does not trust Silberman, at worst, wants to kill him for practically torturing her.

I'm jus sayin that it would fit better. That being said, the guy playing the psych is real good at it. So I can't really bash it. But I do feel that using existing characters just works so much better for the appearence and feel of the overall story

[Spider-Bite]

I actually like how the Conners don't have their roots planted anywhere, which is why they don't have long lasting relationships with other characters, thus we keep getting new characters all the time. They are on the run, and that gives it a more authentic feel. They don't have this little community or cozy neighborhood.

[mr. peasant]

She's a 1000 series Terminator. She could have easily just morphed into a janitor or something before offing John, and her "Catherine Weaver" persona would remain perfectly safe. Fate was on John's side when he barely avoided running into her.

Actually, are we certain that she's anti-Connor? Personally, I think she might have a different agenda on her mind. I mean, think about it:


A Terminator had been sent to take out the nuclear plant. However, it failed though if things were left alone, the plant would probably have eventually been abandoned, thus still allowing said Terminator's objective to be achieved. Instead, the T-1001 intervened, taking over the plant and making it fully automated; an unnecessary maneuver.


A Terminator was sent back to kill the psychologist and failed. On the flip side, the T-1001 hires said psychologist to help develop Skynet.


In both situations, her actions seem to be working in opposition to Skynet's, which started me thinking; perhaps the T-1001 isn't playing for Skynet's team? The important part, in my opinion, is the hiring of the psychologist. See, perhaps with his input, she's trying to develop a more 'matured' and docile Skynet.

[Matt]

I'm jus sayin that it would fit better. That being said, the guy playing the psych is real good at it. So I can't really bash it. But I do feel that using existing characters just works so much better for the appearence and feel of the overall story

But it doesn't work better within the context of the story as Sarah hates him and would never expose John to him.

[Nightmare]

that asian chick was so hot...althought she had nothing upstairs or downstairs.

:hehe:

[M.O.Steel]

:hehe:

:grin:

[Spider-Bite]

Actually, are we certain that she's anti-Connor? Personally, I think she might have a different agenda on her mind. I mean, think about it:


A Terminator had been sent to take out the nuclear plant. However, it failed though if things were left alone, the plant would probably have eventually been abandoned, thus still allowing said Terminator's objective to be achieved. Instead, the T-1001 intervened, taking over the plant and making it fully automated; an unnecessary maneuver.


A Terminator was sent back to kill the psychologist and failed. On the flip side, the T-1001 hires said psychologist to help develop Skynet.

In both situations, her actions seem to be working in opposition to Skynet's, which started me thinking; perhaps the T-1001 isn't playing for Skynet's team? The important part, in my opinion, is the hiring of the psychologist. See, perhaps with his input, she's trying to develop a more 'matured' and docile Skynet.

Very interesting analysis.

[Nightmare]

She's been sent back to change skynet!

[Gold Samurai]

WB thanks fans

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/818/cont3kj3.jpg (http://www.fox.com/terminator)

[JustABill]

Nifty.

[zenile]

Great last episode...can't wait till the next one :up:

[black_dust]

Woot!

[Kable24]

If FOX dumps the show after season 2 hopefully some other channel will buy it. Or maybe FOX should move it to FX.

[CFE]

So is there an epi tonight? Or do we still have to wait for a week...

[Gold Samurai]

So is there an epi tonight? Or do we still have to wait for a week...

the next new episode is next week(Nov 3rd)

[Golgo-13]

I'm sure glad Heroes isn't interrupted by all this nonsense...

[CFE]

^Agreed

[Gold Samurai]

The preview clips are now available on Fox.Com



[Interesting Ellison one]Ellison faces off with a T-888 - WITH HIS FACE!



[spoiler=Ellison]I'm fairly certain it's a nightmare.

Loss, Terminator Style]The character death is supposed to happen in the first 13. I could see them killing Ellison or Derek and replacing them with a Terminator though. Remember that in the original script for T2 T-1000 was supposed to be played by Michael Biehn after all.



[Spoiler=Ellison]I don't think that Ellison is dying in Brothers of Nablus. He is already supposed to have scenes (as Ellison) with Sarah in the episode immediately following.
Before I forget Riley will be back next week...

[spoiler=And a couple of other people too!]Jody (the girl Cameron almost killed in Allison from Palmdale) and Cromartie have teamed up together.

[lou2099]

Is this show gonna be cancelled? I haven't watched it since its season premiere.

[Gold Samurai]

Is this show gonna be cancelled? I haven't watched it since its season premiere.

No it is not going to be cancelled.

[black_dust]

Is this show gonna be cancelled? I haven't watched it since its season premiere.

No wonder the ratings slipped then :p

[BlackLantern]

I'm sure glad Heroes isn't interrupted by all this nonsense...

Heroes is on a 1 week break as well and will be back on the 10th...most shows are taking a 1 or 2 week break right now...

[Nightmare]

FOX did it cause of the world series. Not sure why other stations are taking breaks.

[blksuperman2]

Actually, are we certain that she's anti-Connor? Personally, I think she might have a different agenda on her mind. I mean, think about it:


A Terminator had been sent to take out the nuclear plant. However, it failed though if things were left alone, the plant would probably have eventually been abandoned, thus still allowing said Terminator's objective to be achieved. Instead, the T-1001 intervened, taking over the plant and making it fully automated; an unnecessary maneuver.


A Terminator was sent back to kill the psychologist and failed. On the flip side, the T-1001 hires said psychologist to help develop Skynet.

In both situations, her actions seem to be working in opposition to Skynet's, which started me thinking; perhaps the T-1001 isn't playing for Skynet's team? The important part, in my opinion, is the hiring of the psychologist. See, perhaps with his input, she's trying to develop a more 'matured' and docile Skynet.

Very interesting analysis.


Indeed

[psygarb]

So I think Shirl did really good this past week, particularly when she was playing the pregnant Weaver in the video..she seemed warm and naturalistic compared to the robotic version. I hope they explore the real Weaver more somehow.

By the way here are some pics last week at the Scottish Fashion Awards where she won most stylish woman. Though on the show she my suffer from bad lightening and a sour ***** expression, no one can deny her beauty here:

http://garbage.proboards60.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=14782&page=2

[GhostPoet]

Indeed! I think she did a very good job. :)

[M.O.Steel]

So I think Shirl did really good this past week, particularly when she was playing the pregnant Weaver in the video..she seemed warm and naturalistic compared to the robotic version. I hope they explore the real Weaver more somehow.

By the way here are some pics last week at the Scottish Fashion Awards where she won most stylish woman. Though on the show she my suffer from bad lightening and a sour ***** expression, no one can deny her beauty here:

http://garbage.proboards60.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=14782&page=2

i don't see it. i mean, she's not ugly by any means...but most stylish woman, not sure about that.

[Nightmare]

She looks gross and old.

[BlackLantern]

I've never been into her....she has a weird, mental look about her...like she'll cut you or something

[psygarb]

She looks gross and old.

Wow..you must be delusional.

[psygarb]

I've never been into her....she has a weird, mental look about her...like she'll cut you or something


Well.......maybe. haha

[Golgo-13]

The begininng with the Ellison-bot was a little weird; i thought it was a dream sequence at first. Now i see why they did it. Ellison-bot killed someone and now Ellison is in trouble.

[Gold Samurai]

whoa interesting opening. Two terminators and you don't know which side they're on(Cromartie and Weaver)

Spoiler about Allison
Allison will teamup with Cromartie

[Golgo-13]

Next week looks badass!

[Banshee]

Finally an actually suspenseful episode. I enjoyed this one much better than the last couple. I hate the Derek love story almost as much as the t-1001 plot though.

Next week looks pretty badass though

[Lord Blackbolt]

Cromatie is a awesome villian. I'm always at the edge of my seat when I see him close to catching the Connors. He's always so close.

[Golgo-13]

I love the way he just pushed that chick out of his car, lol!

[LostSon88]

Next week looks freakin' EPIC!

And I think based on the preview that it's a done deal that Cromartie is the character rumored to be killed off this season...

[kane9321]

cromartie pushed her outta the car...shes lucky he didnt kill her

[Arc-Light]

Actually, are we certain that she's anti-Connor? Personally, I think she might have a different agenda on her mind. I mean, think about it:


A Terminator had been sent to take out the nuclear plant. However, it failed though if things were left alone, the plant would probably have eventually been abandoned, thus still allowing said Terminator's objective to be achieved. Instead, the T-1001 intervened, taking over the plant and making it fully automated; an unnecessary maneuver.


A Terminator was sent back to kill the psychologist and failed. On the flip side, the T-1001 hires said psychologist to help develop Skynet.

In both situations, her actions seem to be working in opposition to Skynet's, which started me thinking; perhaps the T-1001 isn't playing for Skynet's team? The important part, in my opinion, is the hiring of the psychologist. See, perhaps with his input, she's trying to develop a more 'matured' and docile Skynet.

You all are forgetting the machines know they lose the war...so she is looking for another game plan.....one that will win it for the machines.

[Nightmare]

Next Week's episode looked good. It looked finale ending good. Can't wait. Loved that part this weeks episode where cromartie was inside john's house. Woah

[LostSon88]

Next week does indeed look like Season Finale level awesomeness...

[Rac]

Next week looks freakin' EPIC!

And I think based on the preview that it's a done deal that Cromartie is the character rumored to be killed off this season...
Noo! Garrett Dillahunt is maybe the best thing about this show.

[Nightmare]

Is that the pregnant chick?

[black_dust]

Is that the pregnant chick?

Garrett Dillahunt???


Hes the Terminator, the one who was in Johns house

[Nightmare]

ahhh. He's good. I like him. Loved that part as well.

[Aleena]

I also think he is excellent.

[GhostPoet]

Great series...this show has improved a ton since the first few episodes.

I am placing my bet on either John's girlfriend or the homeless girl biting it.

[The Lizard]

I'm kind of wondering about that upcoming scene where John and Cameron are lying next to each other on the bed.

[Nightmare]

Yeah me too, i think maybe after his gf dies, he says to himself the hell with it im gonna sleep with cameron.

[BenReilly]

FOX has announced that when the show resumes next year, it will have a new day and timeslot.

Starting February 13, it's moving to Friday's at 8PM:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39002

On Friday, Feb. 13, FOX presents a thrilling new action-packed lineup featuring the return and time period premiere of TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) and the highly anticipated series premiere of Joss Whedon's DOLLHOUSE (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT).

[Lord Blackbolt]

That's totally sucks!!!!!

[Nightmare]

Atleast there's a next season!!!

[JustABill]

They really are trying to cancel this. Moving it to Friday's will not help this.

And god Fox really hates Whedon. Didn't they learn with Firefly and the many other shows they've put on Friday's that it's a death trap for shows?

[Lighthouse]

Honestly, I can't help feeling that Whedon is partly to blame for this happening. After what Fox did to Firefly, I honestly can't believe he decided to try another show with them. I mean come on Joss, you should know better.

[mr. peasant]

Honestly, I can't help feeling that Whedon is partly to blame for this happening. After what Fox did to Firefly, I honestly can't believe he decided to try another show with them. I mean come on Joss, you should know better.

I think it was in his contract with Fox that he has to produce a few shows for them, or something like that.

[Sawyer]

Even though it puts somewhat of a target on both shows backs, I'm fine with it. There isnt **** on fridays as it is.

[danielisthor]

I for one hope that Garret Willahunt's Terminator isn't killed off. He's great at it and one of my favorite characters.

As for moving to Friday night, personally with my tv schedule, it helps me out, but i also know that it's pretty much a death sentence for the series, actually any series. I was ticked off when NBC moved Life (one of my fav. shows) to Fridays and then wised up and moved it to Wednesdays in place of that crap Lipstick Jungle.

[The Chris]

FOX has announced that when the show resumes next year, it will have a new day and timeslot.

Starting February 13, it's moving to Friday's at 8PM:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39002

Oh hell, it is screwed.

[Gold Samurai]

So bets? by the 6th episode of season 3 its canceled?

[DACrowe]

Well at least it is finishing out the second season. I don't expect a third, so here's hoping they wrap up much of it in this season.

[Chris Wallace]

Damn shame, too. Every time I get a sci-fi show that I like, they take it away.

[Spider-Bite]

You all are forgetting the machines know they lose the war...so she is looking for another game plan.....one that will win it for the machines.
yeah but if she changes things like that, skynet will never be born. At least not the same skynet that was born.

think about it. If she brings in a therapist to help the machine, it's going to change everything. It would be like going back in time and having your mom have sex with somebody other than your father, so that she is pregnated by a different man and you end up never being born. Yeah a kid will be born, but it's not you.