X-Men and Homosexuality: The Connection

[pyromaniac]

hey guys well i am posting here because i am gay. i am not out to anybody except the online world. i need help doing this. if anyone can help me:please do

Where do you live?

Environmental, authoritative, familial and friendly influences figure largely into your constitution and componental makeup; if you're not out, obvious reasons stand out, in addition to the less obvious, of course, and variable reasons.

First off, let's start with why you're not out and how your happiness and wellbeing is either compounded (of course it never seems to be) or correlated to your 'closet' predicament.

[imaperson2]

to start off, i live in california. im not "out of the closet" because i am afraid of what will happen when my family finds out. will they still love me as a son or will they be ashamed? this is what i am afraid of finding out. but then again, i am not comfortable hiding this secret. i dont really know what else to say

are u gay pyromaniac? if so are u openly gay? how did u come out?

[newwaveboy87]

oh dear.
i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you know what, when my mom found out about me she didn't talk to me for a week. a solid week. it was painful. i was 15 at the time, and i needed support from someone, so i went to my friends.
if i might suggest you go to your friends first and wait on your family.

but, also, think about this, it's different for everyone. your family might not care, they might already see it, know it, and just not say anything about it. regardless of what happens, they'll still love you, and it'll take time to get better.

i know from experience.
keep your chin up, time makes everything feel better.

[littyx]

hey guys well i am posting here because i am gay. i am not out to anybody except the online world. i need help doing this. if anyone can help me please write back
Sure, we're all here to help man. We've been through it. And your life will NEVER be better then after you come out. All this bull***** that you have on your shoulders will finally go away. Those first few weeks may be slightly difficult, but you will come out of it a better man. Your family will finally know who their child really is, and it should bring you closer to them.
My coming out experience was positive. My mother had a hard time with it the first few weeks, but my relationship with my father, sister, and mother has never been better since after I came out. In general, it is because I am a happier person. I don't have that burden of walking around feeling like a complete lie.

So my advice to you, if your ready, then do it. The sooner you do it, the sooner your life can change for the better.

[imaperson2]

but what if they DONT accept me? also if i were open i think i would lose a lot of people as friends. i dont want none of that to happen. its just really hard.

[pyromaniac]

to start off, i live in california. im not "out of the closet" because i am afraid of what will happen when my family finds out. will they still love me as a son or will they be ashamed? this is what i am afraid of finding out. but then again, i am not comfortable hiding this secret. i dont really know what else to say

are u gay pyromaniac? if so are u openly gay? how did u come out?

Yeah, I'm as gay as... Hugh Jackman could be! You know, if he were gay. :)

I also have a boyfriend. Three years and nearly a half on the clock. :up

He gets along well with my family and friends. If that isn't good enough of indication as to how my coming out process came out... oh, alright I'll tell you.

It was earthquakes! Of the -0.01 Richter scale, that is. :)

I find that it's easier to 'come out' in action rather than the mandatory utterance: "Mom, Dad, I'm gay as a rainbow." After all, actions are louder than words.

It took a while, but because I knew I just had to be myself - I slipped in posters of male celebrities I liked and admired on the bedroom walls, into school confectionary artwork, on the computer, and so on.

I always knew I was gay. I was confident; everything was natural to me, and felt natural, and I never saw a reason why I shouldn't have to hide.

My father, who's very conservative in human feeling (as most males of old-school are...) even was the same way: when he was told, he went, oh okay, and just walked out of the room.

It must be noted that, intermittently but ironically, those talks of "what's it like to be gay? Why aren't you attracted to girls? If you're happy though, I'm happy" manifested years later! We're a bit slow, we are. :)

Dad was asking most of those by the way; he was curious. Of course that initial encounter between my parents and boyfriend can be a little awkward, but it was much easier with my mother, I think (they're divorced incidentally, but good friends now, so we only met separately), because they get along better than with my father.

But he doesn't mind, all the same. We've had parties together: Christmas, Boxing Day, birthdays, special occasions, and even work functions.

I even came out in school, and all my straight friends congealed around me and asked painfully honest questions: how are you attracted to men? What's the sex like?

:eek:

Even one whom I had a great crush on and used to tell of my 'love' for him to my group of friends (he was in it as well, so...) and they'd shake their heads laughing, amused; even one who found out about said crush - by accident I might add - and just shrugged it off, so I could continue longing after him to both of our hearts' content. :p

I'm Vietnamese by the way, so I come from a traditional culture (don't we all?), but my family was very supportive of me. Happiness and wellbeing and all that. They love me. :)

My boyfriend too. Does ensure automatically a big check in the plus column as far as family kinships are concerned. My cousins, sister like him too: he has a very playful, spontaneous, disarming sense of humour, though his jokes don't always turn out right... :p

But, though the coming out process scenario is quite linear from a pathological point of view, there are always, as I say, extenuating circumstances. If you're in the closet, it might be more mental than anything else. Only problem is, you don't know nor realise it.

But if outside forces that you can't seem to control (only your own destiny, which is a huge difference), ie interfering or distant family members, those who proclaim prejudice for minorities, and so on. I mean, I don't know what your family is like.

Is it expressive of love? It doesn't sound like it... But it doesn't have to. Actions after all, speak louder. However, if you know in your heart that if they're your family and if they still don't love you, then you can't accept it to be true, because it means you don't know your family at all. Not the other way around. You have to know it or not.

Does this help?

I can help with more accounts of people and friends that I know who had just as great and just as unique coming out of their own. One most notably a 49 year old man, used to be married, but great friends with his two adult children and ex-wife (who incidentally, was a lot more relieved he was gay than if he was having an affair with a woman...).

Of course he was so afraid to tell them from the beginning. But it went a lot more swimmingly than he thought. He had raised his children to be very tolerant of gays, and whom they made friends with too. When rumours circulated of his homosexuality, the then teenage daughter was approached by a friend: "I heard your father is gay. Is it true?"

She draws herself up and rejoinders haughtily, "Yes it is true. And so what? I love him all the same."

And the friend quickly rechecked her perceptions right and there.

Also, similiar story with the teenage daughter hanging out with a very flamboyant boy: she told her peers that it was because he had a good heart and she liked his company, despite initial exterior appearances.

So you have all facets and all types of life. Nothing is as ever on the surface as it seems. Even if it is the surface at first for a while.

[newwaveboy87]

but what if they DONT accept me? also if i were open i think i would lose a lot of people as friends. i dont want none of that to happen. its just really hard.
then they're not really your friends.
your real friends will love you no matter what and stick by your side.

[littyx]

Your great with words Pyro. I get what your saying about the whole actions louder then words thing. My next question to imaperson2 would be does he fly under the gaydar, or gay radar? Because from my experience, most people thought I was straight. My mom, friends, sister. It was never a kind of "known" thing.

I mean we have those friends that you know if their parents did not suspect them, then they were pretty much in denial. I am only asking this because imaperson2, if you are in all perceptions..."straight" then your coming out process will probably be different.

Either way, I believe your family is suspect. My theory is if your family knows you in any way, then they have in inkling of who you truly are. It is their decision to deny it, or accept it.

[Kritish]

Why the hell is it that every other x-nerd is gay ?

[cookiva]

...is that a problem?

[newwaveboy87]

i was wondering the samething!

[cookiva]

Ang Lee won best director!!!

[Kritish]

...is that a problem?


No, but it's odd. :confused:

[newwaveboy87]

i am telling you - there's got to be some kind of subliminal message in either the cartoon or comic.
or....both!?
:eek:

[cookiva]

No, but it's odd. :confused:

....right.....

[JP]

Okay......

[newwaveboy87]

Brokeback just won Best Picture at the GGs

[Specter313]

No, but it's odd. :confused:

Considering that X-Men promotes tolerance among such issues as homosexuality, should it really be that much of a shock that many of their fans are gay?

[JP]

Considering that X-Men promotes tolerance among such issues as homosexuality, should it really be that much of a shock that many of their fans are gay?

Gay..black..etc.

[littyx]

Hey Lord Siva, for being a heterosexual male, and having such a problem with this thread, (As previously shown in your posts throughout these pages). You sure do like to frequent this thread often. Hmm.....

[Kritish]

Because littyx, It's so much fun annoying everybody on this thread. :(

[cookiva]

Wow, you lead a sad life, dont you?

[imaperson2]

for everyone's information im not exactly a nerd. i only like watchin the x-men movies. but anyways...i hate when people ask people: how do you know you're gay? its liking asking a straight man: how do you know that you are heterosexual? so yea anyways... i doubt that my family suspects that i am gay.plus, i'm not one of those feminine gay guys. i can find a lot of girls attractive but in a way where i dont wanna get in their pants.

so anyways: how was Brokeback? see things like these kinda bother me! im not open enough to try and watch any of these sorts of movies. i cant do anything fun without someone suspecting something.

[cookiva]

Brokeback was amazing, even if you were straight you would like it. Its just a good film....

[pyromaniac]

Why the hell is it that every other x-nerd is gay ?

Considering that the homosexual milileu is a minority, I'd re-align that view to be more of a blessing, don't you think...?

Actually, there just are still quite a healthy number of heterosexual people who read and enjoy the Xmen comics for its wide, colourful and miscellaneous characters; so I've never noticed.

Thanks littyx for the compliment. I realised that minutes after submitting the post, that I had more to say, perhaps. But that is probably enough for now.

And by the way - I am straight acting. So's my boyfriend. And you do meet gay people of all cultures and mindsets and investments; it's really quite interesting.

Your words, imaperson2 are choked with innate insecurity. That's understandable, but what I had previously forgot to add to my previous post was that I find it is more advisable to tell one of the closest friends you'll ever had, someone whom you just know you can trust, and that whose history goes way back. Inversely, however, it can cause troubling doubts, so I can understand that. But my point was that one significant way of being fortified in the identity and the search for that 'completion' is to be substantiated by a select (or many, in my case) group of mates who know who you are and will have your back when it's your family's turn to run away kicking and screaming.

Okay, I might have painted the worst possible scenario on the last part ;) but still - in accordance with 'strategical' advice: better to have allies than to be alone in every way imaginable that is liable for infliction.

By the way mate, Brokeback was directed by a very straight, Chinese man who grew up in a traditional, orthodox environment, and was the total opposite of his father almost on all levels. I read an article on it, and it was a heartening read.

Also, you have two straight actors who excel in their craft, and if two red-blooded, exclusively lady-bound can tear literal blood and sweat and romance out of each other's life, then you, an unsuspecting gay young man, should be void of said insecurities as far as an audio-visual medium with homosexual content is concerned.

If you ask me, Hollywood and commercial media could use way, way more of those. Gay couples in loving, healthy, long-lasting relationships that is.

The way things are on television and on film, you'd think that they never exist at all (which they do of course, and I've seen or heard of quite a few, to my surprise actually), and sadly enough, prevalent, preset stereotypes continue to dominate.

Television is rife with hospital dramas, and none of them to my knowledge [b]ever[/i] depicts gay betrothed seen to be in the throes of anxiety, worry, fear and grief at the sight of their loved one on the proverbial death bed.

That's just too bad, is it!

Oh, and gay families, too. They exist too. I'm almost on the verge of ranting territory, so I just would have to simply conclude with a resounding statement: can you tell how much vexation I have?

:p

(Although, as a filmmaker, I should take those footprints left behind by Ang Lee and take them much, much further. If Hollywood is out of freakin' ideas - remakes and tepid, sour heterosexual romantic comedies with linear, recycled arcs and so on - there is so, so much more room for extra originiality. So much more there!)

Irony is, the Oscars and the Golden Globes award keen recognition of homosexual, bisexual, transgendered, or disabled-in-some-function-that's-not-so-much-a-function personalities: in other words, 'tortured' and 'different' makes for much smiles and dances. Maybe the 'council' should be the producers of Hollywood - at least while I give myself time and breath to catch up to that point. :p

But, like so often the very key, underlying, hypertexual theme of Xmen - we fear what we don't understand, and because we fear what we don't understand, we're afraid for such risk, and in absence of that risk, we pander to tried stereotypes and formulaic archetypes.

Despair is thus the novelty of life, because it's so damn creative.

[onejeremytogo]

:confused: I think the tepid exploration of Homosexuality in comics is usually chalked up to the prescribed 8-14 'audience' of comics, because of the immaturity of this audience, it is easy for publishers to say that heterosexual relationships are more easily grasped in comics than same sex ones.

Personally I think if there are regular scenes in X-Men involving violence, wolverine cutting people to pieces, emma, rogue and psylocke running around in bras and g-strings, medical operations, violence against cultural minorities, occasional drug use and the revelation that Nightcrawler has two *****. Then there may as well be more Gay characters than just Northstar (whos dead) and Karma (those are the two off the top of my head, Im sure there is more), and while on occasion there sexuality is explored, they never seem to have an ongoing homosexual relationship.

Admittedly it has never really concerned me until I read this thread and started thinking about it, I think the statistics for homosexuality is something like 1 in 10 (Anyone got the facts?) and Marvel has certainly taken a more equitable approach in Ultimate X-Men, where two of the characters there are gay, Northstar and Collosus, (and wasn't it hinted that Deathstrike was a Lesbian?) out of a total pool of about thirty or forty mutant characters. So 5% isn't that bad.

Nightcrawler has two whats???:confused:

[onejeremytogo]

but what if they DONT accept me? also if i were open i think i would lose a lot of people as friends. i dont want none of that to happen. its just really hard.

That's something that is GOING to happen. I remember the first time it happened to me. I was standing in line at the local grocery store..one that I used to work at. A friend of mine came over to talk to me. I mentioned my boyfriend and he just turned and walked away mid sentance. I didn't know what to think. I just turned around and though, "what a jerk". At any rate..he couldn't have been my friend to begin with and I'm glad he walked away. If he hadn't have done that then he might have turned on me when I really needed him. So basically..on the bright side..you'll finally find out who your real friends are.

[littyx]

Out of all of my friends, onejeremytogo, and I mean all of them including acquaintances, only 1 stopped talking to me. And it was the only one I expected to stop talking to me. A very conservative, Born-Again Christian guy that I had been close friends with for only about 6 months.

And I've always been mad at him. Not for him walking away from our friendship, but for him tarnishing my coming out experience. Without him, my coming out experience would've been great. But he made me realize that some people are really not your friends. Honestly, what kind of person turns their back on you when they find out who you really are?

A person that was never your friend to begin with.

[JustABill]

How did I manage to stay out of this thread for so long?

I have yet to have a friend stop talking to me because of being gay, but I'm not out to all of them just yet.

[newwaveboy87]

i don't like when people say that when someone doesn't accept your homosexuality they don't accept who you are. sure, you are homosexual, but that's not ALL of who you are. it bothers me to no end when people say they're hated for who they are and mention only sexual orientation, gender, or race as the reason.

these are things that you are.
they are not what you or who you are.

[JustABill]

Thank you Jason! I held myself back from saying that!

[newwaveboy87]

Margaret Cho said once, "You can not think that i'm funny, or intelligent, fine, whatever. i can argue that. but when you hate me for my race or sexuality, you're hating me. you're hating who i am."

i wanted to scream at her so bad.
:mad:
these are things that you are - yes. they are a part of who you are - yes. they are not everything that you are.

[JustABill]

So true.

[littyx]

I actually disagree with you there newwave.

Think about what the wondeful Margaret Cho is actually implying in the words she said.

I am gay. I am. To some people, I am the gay guy. And you know what? Good. I am not ashamed, and to a certain extent, my homosexuality WILL make up a lot of who I am throughout my life. And I like that. Like I have stated before I like that I am gay. I mean, seriously, what she is saying, and what I am agreeing with is look, being gay in our day and age is a HUGE thing. We need to realize that, and wear it proudly. And if people want to just view me as someone who is gay, then thats on them. What do I care? Yes, being gay is a part of me, but it is also who I am!

Its not like being black or gay or transgender is like being a red-head or a brunette. Because no one really cares about those things. But the fact that we can be discriminated agasint, or treated unfairly, or feel included, or feel excluded, or be understood, or be misunderstood....makes it that much more of an important factor in our character. Thats what I think Margaret Cho is saying.

God, I love her.

[newwaveboy87]

actually it IS like being a different race or gender. people can, and do, hate others based on something like that.

my homosexuality isn't a big deal to me. it's just a part of me, it doesn't define me. neither does my hispanic heritage, it's a part of me, it is not all of me. my pale skin, dark hair and eyes, my height and weight, age, gender, class - these are things that i have outside of my control and help make me who i am. they don't define me. none of these things are big deals to me. perhaps i'm an exception to a rule i don't know about, but i don't see the big deal about being gay. :confused: you are, you aren't, what does it matter in the end? not a whole lot.

i don't like to be defined by a singular word, or definition. i'm more complex then that.

[littyx]

You misunderstood my comment about people of different races or genders. I said that being black, gay, or transgendered IS different then just being somone of a certain hair color. And that things like your race, gender, and sexuality are much larger concepts about you then certain other things.

I totally get what your saying about not wanting to be defined by JUST your sexuality? Who does? No one. But what someone like Margaret Cho and myself are saying is that something like your sexuality runs so deep into your own self. When someone makes fun of you for being gay, that hurts to your core. Because, that is who you are, right? Your a gay man.

I don't think anyone is saying to just simplify your being to this one image, or stereotype. But that something as large as your sexuality or race has a lot to do with who you are as a person.

[newwaveboy87]

who i am is not a gay man.
i am Jason, who, yes, is gay. but to me, that's such a minor thing in the grand scale that when someone makes fun it, it doesn't hurt me to my core. i joke about it all the time too. it's no big deal.

samething can be said about my race. i make fun of my Mexican family all the time. hell...they make fun of Mexicans too. race isn't a big deal either.

i think we've just got two different opinions on this.
and that, makes the world a wonderous place.

[littyx]

NO!!! I shall drill you until you agree with me newwave!!!!!!!

ok, your right. different opinions.

anyway, bck to some lighthearted gay stuff....I have held off on having a 4th date in 4 days with that guy. He's beautiful. He called me his boyfriend yesterday. :)

[newwaveboy87]

you can drill me all you want, but i don't give people the power to make me feel ashamed of who i am and don't care what they say.

:p

love....it's overrated.

[pyromaniac]

i don't like to be defined by a singular word, or definition. i'm more complex then that.

Really?

And yet when it comes to love, it's overrated right?

:eek:

Anyway, I might've skimmed, but I reckon I agree with you both - newwave and littyx.

About that friend walking away mid-sentence, onejeremytogo - that is rude. You should've run after him and smack the surprise and dismay on him; I just kind of dislike the thought that there'd be one more person in the world running about with maligned views of a minority.

I'm that hopeful that way: I tend to think they can be given the benefit of the doubt and that because they are still human by the same token, can be made to identify the humanity in us all; in other words, they can be changed! :)

But one thing I'll say - the emphasis on prejudice of homosexuality is a little bit skewered when in comparison to prejudice of facial, mental and emotional and physical personalities; I'll simplify in schơolyard bullying terms: 'you're stupid and ugly and fat and you're a ho.'

Cuts deep, man.

But words, depending on how you let yourself be, don't even have to have any kind of impact on you. So, in that respect, lttyx, no I don't agree with you there.

[newwaveboy87]

i say love is overrated cause lately i've been in a funk.
been a little blue if you will.

:(

[pyromaniac]

i say love is overrated cause lately i've been in a funk.
been a little blue if you will.

:(

Incidentally, Nightcrawler's loved lots and lots of ladies and been loved in return, and he's still blue.

:)

Okay, trying to help... :o

[newwaveboy87]

*laughs....a lot*
that and the unexpected out pouring of love helped.

[pyromaniac]

It's good karma! :D

Not so in a funk anymore, eh...? :)

I think, in lieu of 'change' that is forced or otherwise, a little familiarity helps and goes a long way, generally speaking.

But, feels real, doesn't it?

[newwaveboy87]

actually, after i left the Hype, the funk came back over me.
but now, it's gone.

gotta love the monthly, week long, wildly frentic mood swings i get.
yes, it is very much like PMS.

[littyx]

7 dates in 9 days. hmmm

[pyromaniac]

Huh?

[littyx]

I was telling people on here last week that I had met a guy and we had gone on 3 dates in 3 days. Well, now I'm actually on to 8 dates in 10 days.

Just updating you guys on some of my exciting news at the moment.

[cookiva]

Jeez, man...


Lucky...

[littyx]

I do feel lucky. Its awesome. I've waited a long time for this.

[pyromaniac]

I do feel lucky. Its awesome. I've waited a long time for this.

Long time?! :eek:

It took me only 17 years - from the time I was born, I mean. :p

No one else is in a long term, strong, healthy and loving, same-sex relationship here...?

[Mr. Socko]

X-Men and Homosexuality: The Connection?

Ha, how about the similarities between X-Men and Arabs living in the US...

[cookiva]

....wtf?

Dick....

[littyx]

X-Men and Homosexuality: The Connection?

Ha, how about the similarities between X-Men and Arabs living in the US...
Well, if theres enough examples and you want it so bad, then go ahead and make a thread on it.

Unless you just came in here to be an ass...

[cookiva]

Bump?

[andiuk]

bryan singer is a 'mo???

he's hot! i call dibs!!! :) :) :)

other than being discriminated by society just for being who you are, and having to "come out" or stay "closeted" i personally don't really see any other similarities between x-men and homosexuality...

other than possibly something to do with spandex...

[andiuk]

No one else is in a long term, strong, healthy and loving, same-sex relationship here...?

i am!

[cookiva]

bryan singer is a 'mo???

he's hot! i call dibs!!! :) :) :)

other than being discriminated by society just for being who you are, and having to "come out" or stay "closeted" i personally don't really see any other similarities between x-men and homosexuality...

other than possibly something to do with spandex...

....?

I dont know how to approach this post...

How about this way. The biggest thing that homosexuals face is persicution, the same thing with mutants. Mutants fear coming out, see X2.....

[JP]

Hahahaha, spandex.

[andiuk]

....?

I dont know how to approach this post...

How about this way. The biggest thing that homosexuals face is persicution, the same thing with mutants. Mutants fear coming out, see X2.....

yeah, thats what i mean... u have the fear of persecution if you choose to be yourself, or if you're "outed" or something... but thats about as far as i can see a similarity between the two types.

maybe im more brazen or something, but i don't care if people wanna victimise me for being gay - let them try... im still going to be myself at the end of the day... at the end of the day, at least i can feel safe in the knowledge i know who i am, and what im about... there are tonnes of people out there that feel totally lost in themselves, and i think that's worse than anything anyone can think about you...

it shouldn't matter if you're black, white, tall, short, fat, thin, male or female, at least if you can say "hey, this is me..." i think you're doing okay... coz not that many people can say it with conviction!

[littyx]

Ok, seriously, in all honestly. Regarding homosexual rights and these new Wondercon posters....I'm loving it. I would love it if someone created an ad campaign that was as dramatic as these X3 posters but regarding gay rights. Could you just imagine how great that'd be. With those words:"TAKE A STAND"

[pyromaniac]

yeah, thats what i mean... u have the fear of persecution if you choose to be yourself, or if you're "outed" or something... but thats about as far as i can see a similarity between the two types.

maybe im more brazen or something, but i don't care if people wanna victimise me for being gay - let them try... im still going to be myself at the end of the day... at the end of the day, at least i can feel safe in the knowledge i know who i am, and what im about... there are tonnes of people out there that feel totally lost in themselves, and i think that's worse than anything anyone can think about you...

it shouldn't matter if you're black, white, tall, short, fat, thin, male or female, at least if you can say "hey, this is me..." i think you're doing okay... coz not that many people can say it with conviction!

Saw your previous post. Great! :)

I think you're making sweeping generalisations here, you know. There are some on here, including me, who are secure and comfortable and confident in sexuality and who they are.

Not many people rarely raise fuss in regards to me, and my relationship with my boyfriend. Why? Because it's no big deal. :)

[cookiva]

Ok, seriously, in all honestly. Regarding homosexual rights and these new Wondercon posters....I'm loving it. I would love it if someone created an ad campaign that was as dramatic as these X3 posters but regarding gay rights. Could you just imagine how great that'd be. With those words:"TAKE A STAND"

Muahaha, I would love that!!!

[JustABill]

-is also in healthy same sex relationship.-

[littyx]

-is also in healthy same sex relationship.-
Isn't it great JustABill? I've never wanted anything but a healthy, normal relationship, and I finally have it.

[JustABill]

Yes, it's AWESOME. I could not imagine my life without him now.

[littyx]

I can't believe Brokeback did not win best picture!

[Mogwai]

Hey guys, nice thread you've got going on here.

Have any of you read any of the Young Avengers comics? There's a story in the annual where one of gay characters (Wiccan) has just been beaten up for being "different," as he puts it. The Scarlet Witch then comes across him while he's crying and gives him some very encouraging words about being different and how he should embrace it. It's just a great moment. Thought I'd share.

[andiuk]

I can't believe Brokeback did not win best picture!

Am I the only Gay Man that truly hated Brokeback Mountain!?

Okay, maybe not hated, that is a bit strong... But I did think that Crash was a better movie / story!

[littyx]

Why did you hate Brokeback exactly?

[newwaveboy87]

*watches tumbleweeds role through thread*

[littyx]

I just wanted to post this quote from this anti-gay site called 'Focus on The Family'.( http://www.pureintimacy.org/gr/homosexuality/ ) If any of you guys want to read it its as much nauseating as it is interesting. See if you can find the similiarities with this quote and the new film.

"Is this assertion true, or is homosexuality a disorder, a sign that something has gone wrong in an individual’s development? Is homosexuality something that is inevitable for a certain percentage of the world’s population, and therefore should simply be accepted, or is it a distortion or dysfunction that should be resisted, and if possible, cured?"

Its almost as if that line was lifted straight out of the script.

[Kritish]

I'll tell you people what, when I see giant robots and the leage of evil homosexuals chasing people. I'll stop annoying people on this thread.

[littyx]

I'll tell you people what, when I see giant robots and the leage of evil homosexuals chasing people. I'll stop annoying people on this thread.
So because we don't have 50 foot tall, sci-fi robots killing gay people there is no similarity between the persecution and discrimination that homosexuals deal with everyday? I see. Well, in that case, I guess our superpowers don't count, or the intergalactic battles we have, or our technology borrowed from the Shi'ar. None of that stuff counts? Darn!

Oh, and we do have the "League(<-correct spelling) of Evil Homosexuals" chasing people. Their called Christian Republicans. ( www.godhates****.com ) Check that site out, I don't know if their is anything more evil then that.

Grow up and get real.

[cookiva]

Wow...this thread has gone downhill...

[newwaveboy87]

...and it's all downhill from here!

[BBraddockLover]

this is an awesome thread, i wish i knew about it earlier i never come to the x-world

but im trying to stay away from the spoilers..so i might stay here for awhile

[BBraddockLover]

and i do think that x-me comics definetely resonate really well with gay people including me

[newwaveboy87]

i didnt know you were gay!
guy or girl? real name?

[imaperson2]

wow i remember when i came her for help! woot-woot.

[bengan]

I must say that this thread is refreshing from all the orther post. Im not a gay person but I have freinds that are. And I can see the similarities between what Ive heard from them and what I read in the comics.
But x-men isnt just about mutants=homosexuals, its about mutants=people. Everyone have meet prejudices. It doesnt matter if youre a muslim, an asian or a guy with green skin and can blow up things with youre hair. You will face prejudices anyway.

Thats why x-men is so popular. People recognize themselfs in the members of the x-men or in the brotherhood. They decide if they want to fight prejudice with word and logic or with bombs and violence. GOOD or EVIL.
Thats why we are discussing this now. They arent just some people with capes(im looking at you DC), they are real people. And thats why we love them so much.

[newwaveboy87]

exactly bengan! good post.

[BBraddockLover]

guy: michael

[newwaveboy87]

hi Michael. nice to meet you.

[phoenix_force]

so this is the gay thread huh?

[bengan]

so this is the gay thread huh?
not impressed?

[newwaveboy87]

it's been a little dead lately. we need more people to help keep it alive.

[imaperson2]

bwahaha welcome everyone.

[phoenix_force]

that depends what kind of uh entertainment you have to offer here.

[newwaveboy87]

i'm a ****.
end of story.

good enough entertainment for you?

[Endeavor]

type H mutation!

[Pyrox]

[pop's in] lmao [/pop's out]

[imaperson2]

how bout we start off by introducing ourselves?

[newwaveboy87]

that could be taken SOOOOO wrongly Steven

[Endeavor]

what tickled him?

[phoenix_force]

type T or type B?

[Endeavor]

H...

[phoenix_force]

well i guess i mean sub type T or B?

[newwaveboy87]

what the freak?

[bengan]

^ gay people are nuts...

[newwaveboy87]

Ba Dun Dun!

[imaperson2]

gay people are gay. and thats that. there is no type h, b, t or whatever the hell else.

[phoenix_force]

how about everyone post their pic here or something?

[newwaveboy87]

Homosexuals Are Gay!!

[imaperson2]

how about everyone post their pic here or something?
i will later. my mom is making me get off. see yall **** later. bye jason!

[Pyrox]

that could be taken SOOOOO wrongly Steven
I realised, after I posted it, that you could probably find that...but only you :rolleyes:
[/leaves]

[bengan]

Im staying here. Gays are funny

[newwaveboy87]

I realised, after I posted it, that you could probably find that...but only you :rolleyes:
i have a talent for the perverted jokes :o

[phoenix_force]

here is me iced up
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c136/Kingbattle/meicedup.jpg

[Pyrox]

i have a talent for the perverted jokes

Exactly

[newwaveboy87]

what do you look like non-iced up

[bengan]

here is me iced up
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c136/Kingbattle/meicedup.jpg

cool, how did you do that?

[phoenix_force]

what do you look like non-iced up
the same just take off the ice lol

[newwaveboy87]

i can hardly tell what you look like iced up :o

[phoenix_force]

cool, how did you do that?
some corel paint shop pro x trial program

[newwaveboy87]

i'm gonna go get all wet now...k?
bye.

[bengan]

pheonix looks really young....dont know why

oh and newway, that could be taken SOOOOO wrongly

[Pyrox]

I do believe that was the point,lol

[phoenix_force]

16 i couldalways show you uh longer parts of my body to show you just you big i am

[bengan]

16 i couldalways show you uh longer parts of my body to show you just you big i am

hmmpf, lets try to leave the dirty stuff out of this thread:hyper:

[newwaveboy87]

dirty stuff? out of a homosexual thread?
truly you jest my friend.

we homos thrive on making dirty jokes.

[newwaveboy87]

pheonix looks really young....dont know why

oh and newway, that could be taken SOOOOO wrongly
my name is newwave.

actually it's Jason, but that's not the point.

[bengan]

Sorry jason...give me the cookies

you...dont...want...to make...me..ANGRY!!!:hulk:

[newwaveboy87]

you get no cookies. you got my name wrong. :o

[newwaveboy87]

oh my thread.....they dont love you like i love you

[Pyrox]

Why do I get the feeling that you're about to make out with the thread?
Why am I here?
....So many questions

[newwaveboy87]

and there are no answers.

[Exploding Boy]

Hi Jason's thread!

[newwaveboy87]

actually Gary made it, but like many threads before it...i gave it life.

[Pyrox]

Yes, it's true...you are the giver of life
(Don't get him mad, or he'll take it away from you!)

[Exploding Boy]

Yeah well you pretty much conquered it and claimed it your own, or at least kept it alive.

[newwaveboy87]

i've done both.
funny...i did the same thing to a guy once....:confused:

[Exploding Boy]

Oh my....

[newwaveboy87]

ok...so maybe there is a little predator in me

[Pyrox]

...little?

[newwaveboy87]

yes, a little!
wanna fight about it?

[Exploding Boy]

Maybe*reads your sig*

[Pyrox]

yes, a little!
wanna fight about it?
I do believe it's already been brought :rolleyes:

[newwaveboy87]

oh it's already been broughten!!

[Exploding Boy]

Oh ****!

[Pyrox]

oh it's already been broughten!!
But I brought it from the beginng, and pointed it out :confused:

[newwaveboy87]

i'm confused....

let's just dance the dance of life!!

[Pyrox]

...ya'll do that

[newwaveboy87]

you're no fun...:(

[Pyrox]

Liar

[newwaveboy87]

i only speak the truth

[Pyrox]

Do I need to bring it again?

[newwaveboy87]

you never brought it the first time :o

[Exploding Boy]

Ok ok ok. Dance off. Steven vs. Jason. Best dance wins!

[JustABill]

Oh, I already bought it and sold it.

Whatever it is.

[Pyrox]

Consider it brought
And you may have bought it...but I brought it :D

[JustABill]

Edit: Never mind.

[newwaveboy87]

Ok ok ok. Dance off. Steven vs. Jason. Best dance wins!
that doesn't seem fair....i can dance like Shakira

[Exploding Boy]

Well Steven dances like...Cher!

[newwaveboy87]

he's got pwnd six ways from Sunday

[Exploding Boy]

and he looks like Martha Stewart :eek:

[newwaveboy87]

it's things like that that make me love you Bastian.

[Exploding Boy]

Me spreading **** about Steven :D


:p, I've got your back Jason, if Da-Veed ever comes around here again, he comes through me before he even gets to you ;)

[newwaveboy87]

meh. leave him alone now...i feel bad about what we did to him.

no, not you talking trash about Steven, just the cracks you make in general

[Exploding Boy]

:D, Steven's cool, its all jokes.

[newwaveboy87]

exactly

[Pyrox]

Me spreading **** about Steven :D

I hate you now :down

:D, Steven's cool, its all jokes.
I theory, I don't any more :up:

[bengan]

Me spreading **** about Steven :D


:p, I've got your back Jason, if Da-Veed ever comes around here again, he comes through me before he even gets to you ;)

what is it with gays and dirty jokes:confused:

[Pyrox]

I'm pretty sure that wasn't ment as a dirty jokes,lol

[phoenix_force]

what is it with gays and dirty jokes:confused:
maybe you've got a dirty brain that always jumps to dirty conclusions:up:

[littyx]

Yes, yes my children. The creator of this thread is indeed back!
http://pc59te.dte.uma.es/cdb/series/marvel/bitmaps/magneto.jpg

[bengan]

maybe you've got a dirty brain that always jumps to dirty conclusions:up:

well I do, Im a Swede you know.

This is me:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/MEE/Bild048.jpg
IM NOT GAY, incase of all you ladies out there wonde....oh I forgott, this is a comicbook forum...im soo stupid

[phoenix_force]

you certainly look gay

[bengan]

thanks

[newwaveboy87]

you look so little

[bengan]

How do you mean? And hey Im giving you some eyecandy here...phftHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[newwaveboy87]

you look like you're young.
how old are you?

[bengan]

17...:(

[newwaveboy87]

you look younger.
don't worry i'm going on 19 and i look younger, i constantly get asked when i'm graduating from high school.

[bengan]

hahaha how about posting a pic?

[newwaveboy87]

you got myspace?

[bengan]

nop. why cant you post it?

[newwaveboy87]

*sigh*

give me a minute.

[newwaveboy87]

gone now!!

[bengan]

you look like a swedish musiccritic. Thats really cool, and you dont look young..I promise!

[newwaveboy87]

are you trying to say that you think i'm cute?

[bengan]

hehe no I said that you looked like a swedish musiccritic....is that "youre cute" in german?

[newwaveboy87]

i was refering to the "you don't look young...I promise!"

german? i know no German.
i'm a Hispanic boy.

[bengan]

ger-man?

[newwaveboy87]

you're an odd child.

[bengan]

yea but honestly, who isnt?

[newwaveboy87]

me.
i'm as normal as they come. :o

[Pyrox]

....I'm going to step away now to get away from the lightning that's about to strike you

[newwaveboy87]

why is Lightning capitalized?

[Pyrox]

But, it's not capitalized

[newwaveboy87]

you and your edit button :o

[Pyrox]

What edit button? Gosh, you must be seeing things again

[newwaveboy87]

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PWND!

what happened to bengan?

[Pyrox]

You probably scared him.

PWND!
I'm not seeing it....it must be you

[newwaveboy87]

people get scared too easily :o

[bengan]

IM here but they released some really big news over zu and I cant let it go and thers a new episode of alias in my Tv and right now Im just way too happy.

[newwaveboy87]

big news...?

[Pyrox]

zu?

[bengan]

big news...?
no more dirty jokes:O

and zu=zeldauniverse

[newwaveboy87]

that wasn't a dirty joke! i swear.
i was just wondering what the big news was.

[Pyrox]

and zu=zeldauniverse
Ah, Danke

[bengan]

its about the new zeldagame(yea I know that I am a nerd).Wait asec have Pyrox posted a pic yet?

[newwaveboy87]

Steven won't post one.
ever.

trust me, i tried.

[bengan]

oh steve...I posted one and IM STRAIGHT!!. Comn!

[newwaveboy87]

you're straight and in a gay thread...?

*gets headache*

[Pyrox]

you're straight and in a gay thread...?
Uh...knock knock? :confused:

oh steve...I posted one and IM STRAIGHT!!. Comn!

\/ Answer \/
Steven won't post one.
ever.

[newwaveboy87]

whatever Steven....you're debatable.
not really.

[bengan]

you're straight and in a gay thread...?

*gets headache*

yes, but I look kinda gay. Isnt that a plus?

[Pyrox]

whatever Steven....you're debatable.
not really.
Debatable? I'll give you that much

[newwaveboy87]

yes, but I look kinda gay. Isnt that a plus?
i suppose......:confused:

[newwaveboy87]

Debatable? I'll give you that much
even though i followed that up with a not really, meaning i was only kidding.

[Pyrox]

Ooh, I took it as the other way...but whatever

[newwaveboy87]

haha....you admitted to being debatable.
so...Steven...been having any "interesting" thoughts as of late about the same-sex?

[bengan]

wierdos

[newwaveboy87]

shut up you love it :o

[Pyrox]

I wouldn't call them thoughts, seeing as I havn't been 'thinking it' exactly,lol
But in the general sense, yeah

[newwaveboy87]

interesting.
tell me of these things. i love being a therapist for confused youth. it makes me happy to help people.

[Pyrox]

Which 'these things' did you want me to tell you about?

[bengan]

wait a sec? how old is Pyrox?

[Pyrox]

*checks age*
One below you
(According to your profile)

[bengan]

*checks age*
One below you
(According to your profile)

so 82 then?

[Pyrox]

If your 83, sure why not?

[Exploding Boy]

what is it with gays and dirty jokes:confused:
Too bad im not gay...and that wasent a dirty joke.

[Exploding Boy]

shut up you love it :o
You sound like Holly :D

[newwaveboy87]

You sound like Holly :D
there's a reason Mary Grace and i became such fast friends :)

[newwaveboy87]

Which 'these things' did you want me to tell you about?
you said you haven't been thinking it exactly. do explain.

[Pyrox]

Well, I don't go around all day thinking it ya know? lol
But selective things I do, or don't for that matter...are pushed towards that way

[newwaveboy87]

you're being too vague

[Pyrox]

I'm like that a lot

[newwaveboy87]

yes, and it's hard to understand you at times because of it.
in what selective things are you pushed to "that way"? and what do you mean specifically about "that way"?

don't be vague with him.
be as precise as possible.

[Pyrox]

in what selective things are you pushed to "that way"?
Things that I view,lol

and what do you mean specifically about "that way"?
What's this thread about...that way

[newwaveboy87]

ok, i was just making sure.
your being a smartass....not helping. things that you view push you to being gay? explain.

[Pyrox]

ok, i was just making sure.
your being a smartass....not helping.
A: Psh
B: Sorry

Things that you view push you to being gay? explain.
No, it's not that the things that I view are push me that way...
It's certin types movies I watch that are that way, which compells me to believe that I am.
(IE: Towards that way)

[newwaveboy87]

you watch gay porn.
just come out and say it, no need to beat around the bush.

[imaperson2]

sorry to interrupt but are you a counselor here newwave?

[Pyrox]

you watch gay porn.
just come out and say it, no need to beat around the bush.
If we're going for the blunt aproach, sure

[newwaveboy87]

sorry to interrupt but are you a counselor here newwave?
yes.
and i take it very seriously. i dont want to have children of my own, but i want to help homosexual youth with their confusion, coming out, etc.

[newwaveboy87]

If we're going for the blunt aproach, sure
i prefer the blunt approach myself.
so...how long has this been going on? when did your curiousity begin? have you ever told anyone else this? ever acted on any urge? or, is this just a recent thing?

[imaperson2]

well then i want to tell pyrox one thing. if im not wrong, you are confused with your orientation. i used to be like that. when i started watching gay porn, i didnt know why it turned me on. i didnt want to admit i was gay. i didnt want to see my parent's reaction when i came out. but thats all over with and im a happy person now.

[Pyrox]

Um...let's see...it was at least before I turned 10
So not really recent. And no, no telling or acting

well then i want to tell pyrox one thing. if im not wrong, you are confused with your orientation. i used to be like that. when i started watching gay porn, i didnt know why it turned me on. i didnt want to admit i was gay. i didnt want to see my parent's reaction when i came out. but thats all over with and im a happy person now.
Sounds a little familiar,lol

[newwaveboy87]

it's ok. there's nothing dirty, wrong, or abominatory about what is going on.
you can live a perfectly happy and normal life. right now things are gray and cloudy, but in time they will get better.

there's no pressure to come out to your family or friends. tell them when you're ready. if you loose friends over it, then they never were friends to begin with.

[imaperson2]

Sounds a little familiar,lol
well i mean if your gay your gay. theres no denying it. if youve got it flaunt it. :O . just dont think that being gay is wrong.

[Pyrox]

Thank you both :)

just dont think that being gay is wrong.
Easier said then done

[imaperson2]

Thank you both :)


Easier said then done
your welcome. even though i know newwave is way better at this kind of stuff. i recently came out to my parents, and believe me, it wasnt easy. but all is well now. its normal to question your orientation. but anyways...i gotta go take a shower.good night guys.

[newwaveboy87]

Thank you both :)


Easier said then done
you're right it is easier said then done, i know. i thought about killing myself over it. it was so confusing, i didn't know who i was, i constantly questioned if this was who i wanted to be, and could i change it. i drove myself into a deep depression and self-hated which i've only managed to change within the last four years. i know how bad it gets.

i feel bad at times because i dont see many positive role models for gay youth to look up to or try to gain strength from. when i was younger than you there was Danny from the Real World - he showed me i didn't have to be a hyped up **** with a drug problem. i didn't have to be the stereotype. i could be happy, intelligent, person living a normal life and have be in a loving and committed relationship.

i just hope you remember that. you can have a normal life.
the only thing that's different is that who you love isn't someone of the opposite sex. but you still love them, and that's all that matters in the end.

[Pyrox]

I thought about killing myself over it. it was so confusing, i didn't know who i was, i constantly questioned if this was who i wanted to be, and could i change it. i drove myself into a deep depression and self-hated which i've only managed to change within the last four years. i know how bad it gets.
Even though you're ok with it now...if you could change it, would you?
(Woah, just got some X3ness going on there)
Plus who am I to expect it to go easy? I mean, at this age life's supposed to be confusing right? lol

[E. Bison]

Even though you're ok with it now...if you could change it, would you?
(Woah, just got some X3ness going on there)
Plus who am I to expect it to go easy? I mean, at this age life's supposed to be confusing right? lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega5.gifWell you can change it. I know people that have. It's nothing new and it's not impossible. Just EXTREMELY hard, but not impossible. It's a very common and popular belief that you can't change it since that is what people want to believe these days.

[newwaveboy87]

Even though you're ok with it now...if you could change it, would you?
(Woah, just got some X3ness going on there)
Plus who am I to expect it to go easy? I mean, at this age life's supposed to be confusing right? lol
no, i wouldn't change it. i feel like i'd be lying to myself about apart of who i am. i dont like lies, and i hate lying to myself and to others.

life's always confusing.

[newwaveboy87]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega5.gifWell you can change it. I know people that have. It's nothing new and it's not impossible. Just EXTREMELY hard, but not impossible. It's a very common and popular belief that you can't change it since that is what people want to believe these days.
do you honestly believe that they have changed, or do you think they just want to believe that they have changed? i personally believe that they're just lying to themselves.

why do you say that you think that people only want to believe that they can't change it? do you honestly believe that it is a choice?

[E. Bison]

do you honestly believe that they have changed, or do you think they just want to believe that they have changed? i personally believe that they're just lying to themselves.

why do you say that you think that people only want to believe that they can't change it? do you honestly believe that it is a choice?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega1.gifWell, it's not a conscious choice, it's more of a sub-conscious inclination. One guy I know was gay since he was 8 years old. He was gay for over 20 years and used to have about 5 different parnters a day. That's pretty gay to me. Now he is married to a woman and has kids. Now to say that while he was trying to change that it was easy, convenient, and smooth is completely wrong. He struggled a lot, he "tripped" many times, and he was very depressed from long periods of withdrawl symptoms. The first woman he was attracted to after many years of rehabilitation was the first woman he married and is with to this day.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/Vega_9.gifBut he did it for religious reason as others I know did as well. Since the world is accepting to you guys the way you are there isn't any reason for you to change, but I'm just saying that it CAN be a choice afterwards. The reason why some change is because they WANT to not because they feel like they HAVE to. If you feel like you have to change but YOU don't want to then you never will.