X-Men and Homosexuality: The Connection

[newwaveboy87]

ok, now i understand.

i hate when people do things for peer or religious pressures. i feel no inclanation to any organized religion. i have my faith, i don't feel a need for anyone to preach to me about it, or make me feel guilty over things.

[E. Bison]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/vega_6.jpgWell if you do it because you have been pressured to do it by anyone else and YOU don' WANT TO, then you never will change. That's why some who try to never do because they are not doing it for themselves, they are doing it for the world that doesn't like them. Those people it's not possible to change because they haven't made a conscious decision to do so. It's the same with drug addicts and alcoholics. The same process with those people is the same with homosexuals.

[E. Bison]

ok, now i understand.

i hate when people do things for peer or religious pressures. i feel no inclanation to any organized religion. i have my faith, i don't feel a need for anyone to preach to me about it, or make me feel guilty over things.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/vega_5.gifWell I certainly have dissapointments with stupid religious groups who organize anti-gay rallies in favor of hate. It's those people that make people like me look stupid and extremist like them. Yes, I don't agree with that lifestyle but I don't want to hurt anyone for it regardless of their position on it. It's those groups you should disfavor because of their actions. I find it appalling that some groups protest outside of some openly gay person's funeral. Here where I live their was a funeral for a guy that died in the war in Iraq and he was gay. Extremist groups gathered up outside his funeral. That was appalling.

[newwaveboy87]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/vega_6.jpgWell if you do it because you have been pressured to do it by anyone else and YOU don' WANT TO, then you never will change. That's why some who try to never do because they are not doing it for themselves, they are doing it for the world that doesn't like them. Those people it's not possible to change because they haven't made a conscious decision to do so. It's the same with drug addicts and alcoholics. The same process with those people is the same with homosexuals.
you make good points, but at times, i just find it hard to believe that one can change their sexuality. wouldn't that be like asking someone to change their hair color permantly? or their eye color? there's temporary changes that can be made, but sooner or later, the truth will come back.

i didn't see this post before.
again, i think a lot of them are just lying to themselves and deluding themselves into believing whatever they want to. happens often in life with several things.

[Pyrox]

newwave, I would because if I could, I'd rather not be...simple as that
(Not to say that I even am 100% at this point)

[newwaveboy87]

i think everyone at some point in time would rather not be, but you'd just be denying a piece of who you are. embrace and love the whole, not just the parts that you like.

[Pyrox]

But if I could change it, I wouldn't be denying anything.
Sure if I lied to myself the rest of my life, which I've considered, that'd be denial, but if I could...I honestly think I'd be ok

[newwaveboy87]

i used to think about changing. all the time.
it's a normal thing to do. from 12-17 i wanted to change it desparately.

it's only been within the last 2-3 yrs that i've gotten to this point.

[Pyrox]

I can't even say at this point if I am, or not you know?
It's just...weird

[newwaveboy87]

i know the stage that you're at.
it's very weird.


this is going to sound bizarre....but...you're the kind of person that makes me want to be a youth counselor.

[Pyrox]

Nah, not bizarre...cool actualy! :up:
The reason it's weird, is well...quite franky despite all of this..I can't be sure if I really am.
And that's annoying

[newwaveboy87]

"can't really be sure"...how?

[Pyrox]

Well I'm attracted to guys, and 'watch' them...
but I can't really see myself in a relationship with one, you know?
Wheras girls, I'm attracted to them, and can see myself with them.
(Yet, don't 'watch' them)

[newwaveboy87]

so, what you're saying is that you're me in middle school.

[Pyrox]

lol, we could go with that

[newwaveboy87]

i thought i was bisexual until i was 15.
the whole process is very confusing, isolating, and depressing...sadly...but there's always hope that things will get better.

[Pyrox]

So really at this point I could end up either way?
My feelings for guys will increase to the point of a relationship, or it could simply taper off?
...or I could stay this way the rest of my life :rolleyes:

[newwaveboy87]

yeah, it could just be a phase, they could increase, you could be a bisexual.
any way you look at it, it's not a bad thing. you're just going through a confused state right now. although...with as long as you've been thinking/feeling these things...it might not be a phase per say.

[E. Bison]

you make good points, but at times, i just find it hard to believe that one can change their sexuality. wouldn't that be like asking someone to change their hair color permantly? or their eye color? there's temporary changes that can be made, but sooner or later, the truth will come back.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega3.gifWell, no because its a subcounsious inclination. That's all. THAT can be changed. Changing your sexuality is no different from going vegetarian. It's a preference not genetic. Humans are inclined to drink milk and eat meat but we don't find it impossible to quit that. Hair color, skin and eye color ARE genetic. Sexuality is not. By default humans are meant to be heterosexual which is evident by how the male and female body compliment each other. So homosexuals would only be going back to what was natural by default to begin with. It is also evident by our teeth and body that humans were meant to be vegetarians so not eating meat would be going back to what was meant for us naturally by default.

[Pyrox]

Yeah, it all started back then with a friend of mine...
hey, as I think about it, everything started around that time.
Huh...do you think a semi, not abuse per se, senerio when I was younger have caused me to have the sexual feelings, even though I have nothing towards guys relationship wise?

[newwaveboy87]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega3.gifWell, no because its a subcounsious inclination. That's all. THAT can be changed. Changing your sexuality is no different from going vegetarian. It's a preference not genetic. Humans are inclined to drink milk and eat meat but we don't find it impossible to quit that. Hair color, skin and eye color ARE genetic. Sexuality is not. By default humans are meant to be heterosexual which is evident by how the male and female body compliment each other. So homosexuals would only be going back to what was natural by default to begin with. It is also evident by our teeth and body that humans were meant to be vegetarians so not eating meat would be going back to what was meant for us naturally by default.
i have to respectfully disagree with your opinion on this matter. while it may be slightly a subconcious inclination there has been scientific evidence which shows that homosexuality might acutally be a birth defect caused by a hormone the mother process incorrectly while pregnant. also, homosexuality occurs in animals besides humans. this is a proven fact through various studies. i could bring the research if you'd like. so stating that we're subconcious choosing to be this way does not work. do the animals subconciously choose to engage in homosexual activities? i believe that sexuality is predetermined, and not a choice in the way you're thinking of.

i think you have a point that people can choose to be gay. you choose to accept it or to not accept it and act upon it. you do not choose for it to happen to you, in my opinion.

[newwaveboy87]

Yeah, it all started back then with a friend of mine...
hey, as I think about it, everything started around that time.
Huh...do you think a semi, not abuse per se, senerio when I was younger have caused me to have the sexual feelings, even though I have nothing towards guys relationship wise?
it is quite possible.
but you don't have to give me the gory details about that one. although i would like to hear about your friend, and when everything started.

[Pyrox]

it is quite possible.
but you don't have to give me the gory details about that one. although i would like to hear about your friend, and when everything started.
Well I'd like to continue the therapy,lol But the publicness makes me a bit weary...ya know?

[newwaveboy87]

Well I'd like to continue the therapy,lol But the publicness makes me a bit weary...ya know?
that's what pm's were invented for. :) :up:

[Pyrox]

lol, it'll be sent in a sec

[imaperson2]

that's what pm's were invented for. :) :up:
plus just remember, if you do decide to share with us, that people are here to help other people. just ignore the idiots. but anyways, i would just like to share that a certain "relationship" i had with someone when i was really young, made me like other guys. you know this whole discussion reminds me of x-men actually. rogue is thinking of curing herself to get rid of her "disease".

[newwaveboy87]

i hope to god Rogue doesn't take The Cure in the movie. if she does...i'm angered beyond all belief.

[Pyrox]

Never touching anybody? For movieverse Rogue I could see her going to that.
(Though the official book has given me hope!)

[newwaveboy87]

i just think with their analogy being what it is...it sends a bad message.

[undomiel]

Hey everyone. I have a friend that asked me to do some research for a presentation on the similarities of X-Men and homosexuality. He knows of what a huge X-Men fan I am and knew where to look.

Anyway, I know of the obvious reasons X-Men and homosexuals have similar struggles (discrimination, coming out @ puberty, political struggles, Legacy Virus & AIDS). But does anyone know of more specific examples, or any more examples for that matter. Thank you.

Also, if you have a problem with this topic, or want to use this thread as a place to emit negative opinions on how X-Men and gays dont correlate, please don't. Do it on your own time somewhere else. This is a simple question for a term paper. Thanks again.

Uhhh...I'm not here to tell anyone how to do their term paper, but as a college grad with a background in research, I would encourage you to gather data from all sides, not just those in support of a particular view. Otherwise, it could seem as though you were discriminating against those with an alternative viewpoint and attempting to silence them. Just a thought! :)

[squeekness]

i just think with their analogy being what it is...it sends a bad message.I don't think Ian McKellen would have agreed to do the film if that was the case. He's been knighted because of his activities as a gay activist and said he was gleefully doing this movie because of the parallell between homosexuality and mutation. He described the story as being very relevant to current events and I doubt he would have been so happy to do it if the statement was to "cure" homosexuality instead of just accepting homosexuality as the way things are and should be accepted. :)

[Kritish]

So because we don't have 50 foot tall, sci-fi robots killing gay people there is no similarity between the persecution and discrimination that homosexuals deal with everyday? I see. Well, in that case, I guess our superpowers don't count, or the intergalactic battles we have, or our technology borrowed from the Shi'ar. None of that stuff counts? Darn!

Oh, and we do have the "League(<-correct spelling) of Evil Homosexuals" chasing people. Their called Christian Republicans. ( www.godhates****.com (http://www.godhates****.com) ) Check that site out, I don't know if their is anything more evil then that.

Grow up and get real.

Nambla is the leage of evil homos.

[newwaveboy87]

I don't think Ian McKellen would have agreed to do the film if that was the case. He's been knighted because of his activities as a gay activist and said he was gleefully doing this movie because of the parallell between homosexuality and mutation. He described the story as being very relevant to current events and I doubt he would have been so happy to do it if the statement was to "cure" homosexuality instead of just accepting homosexuality as the way things are and should be accepted. :)
i know which gives me hope that this whole Rogue takes The Cure willing business is just from an out-dated draft.

[littyx]

Well, no because its a subcounsious inclination. That's all. THAT can be changed. Changing your sexuality is no different from going vegetarian. It's a preference not genetic. Humans are inclined to drink milk and eat meat but we don't find it impossible to quit that. Hair color, skin and eye color ARE genetic. Sexuality is not. By default humans are meant to be heterosexual which is evident by how the male and female body compliment each other. So homosexuals would only be going back to what was natural by default to begin with. It is also evident by our teeth and body that humans were meant to be vegetarians so not eating meat would be going back to what was meant for us naturally by default.
I CANNOT believe there are people around here that still think like this. Are you realizing what you are saying? You are saying that for homosexuals, its as easy for us to become "straight" as it is for someone to stop drinking milk and eating hamburgers. Do you know any homosexual people? Are you a homosexual yourself? Because if you are not, I would really like to know how you see it fit as comparing our significant internal struggle to something as simple as that. If you have read up on any ACTUAL evidence of the outcome of these "conversion therapy" (more like torture) organizations then you would know that they do not work. And it does not matter if you are willing to change. It has nothing to do with that. AND, it does not compare to an alcoholic willing to quit, or a drug addict. We are NOT alcoholics and drug addicts! We are not hurting ourselves or others. We are homosexuals, and we do not need to be CURED!

Just so you know, I wanted to quote the American Psychological Association (APA). So this is not coming from some biased homosexual or religious site. This is a study done in 1990 by the leaders of American Psychology. This is what there findings on conversion therapy were.

"In 1990, the American Psychological Association stated that scientific evidence does not show that conversion therapy works and that it can do more harm than good. Changing one's sexual orientation is not simply a matter of changing one's sexual behavior. It would require altering one's emotional, romantic and sexual feelings and restructuring one's self-concept and social identity."

[E. Bison]

I CANNOT believe there are people around here that still think like this. Are you realizing what you are saying? You are saying that for homosexuals, its as easy for us to become "straight" as it is for someone to stop drinking milk and eating hamburgers. Do you know any homosexual people? Are you a homosexual yourself? Because if you are not, I would really like to know how you see it fit as comparing our significant internal struggle to something as simple as that. If you have read up on any ACTUAL evidence of the outcome of these "conversion therapy" (more like torture) organizations then you would know that they do not work. And it does not matter if you are willing to change. It has nothing to do with that. AND, it does not compare to an alcoholic willing to quit, or a drug addict. We are NOT alcoholics and drug addicts! We are not hurting ourselves or others. We are homosexuals, and we do not need to be CURED!

Just so you know, I wanted to quote the American Psychological Association (APA). So this is not coming from some biased homosexual or religious site. This is a study done in 1990 by the leaders of American Psychology. This is what there findings on conversion therapy were.

"In 1990, the American Psychological Association stated that scientific evidence does not show that conversion therapy works and that it can do more harm than good. Changing one's sexual orientation is not simply a matter of changing one's sexual behavior. It would require altering one's emotional, romantic and sexual feelings and restructuring one's self-concept and social identity."
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega3.gifYou obviously didn't read my previous post before that one. I don't aree it is permanent nor genetic because I do know ex-homosexuals. I posted the experience of a certain one who used to be gay but no longer is. I used to believe it was permanent as well once but from the evidence that these people gave me it's obvious that its a strong inclination but it's not genetic. Otherwise, he and other fellow ex-homosexuals would not have changed. Read my previous post to get a better understandment. How do you explain such people who used to be homosexual but no longer are?

[squeekness]

^^ I don't believe they no longer are gay, at least, not if they really were to begin with. Either you are gay or you aren't. If these folks are no longer practicing, and they were really gay, it can only be that they have somehow gained control over the urge and can resist it when it comes. They must still have the same feelings, just that they no longer act on them which is NOT the same thing as being no longer gay.

[newwaveboy87]

^^ I don't believe they no longer are gay, at least, not if they really were to begin with. Either you are gay or you aren't. If these folks are no longer practicing, and they were really gay, it can only be that they have somehow gained control over the urge and can resist it when it comes. They must still have the same feelings, just that they no longer act on them which is NOT the same thing as being no longer gay.
glad someone said it! :) :up:

[E. Bison]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/vega_5.gifAgain, you didn't read my previous post. I know it's not a popular social concept these days but its not impossible and it has been done. As usual, all ex-gays are accused of either being: secretly bisexual all along, pretending, in denial, or never truly gay to begin with. Now with the guy I talked about previously he had been gay since he was 8 years old and would have up to 5 different partners a day for over 20 years.

[echostation]

I don't think it's just for homosexuals... the x-men films that is...

I clearly think of it as more... far more, it encompasses all sorts of biases, racism especially... that's how I always looked it as a kid... yeah, I did... that's how i related to it cuz of my multi-ethnic heritage and the kind oppression, xenophobic attitudes... fear of the unknown. I've been held at knife point and at gun point due to my race so that even made me relate to X-men even more... but I always still connected more to Spidey but X-men was a huge thing on racism... not just homosexuality at all.

[littyx]

E. Bison, what exactly does him having 5 different partners a day really have to do with him being a homosexual?

[E. Bison]

E. Bison, what exactly does him having 5 different partners a day really have to do with him being a homosexual?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/vega_6.jpgWell isn't THAT a stupid question. I don't know? I mean the fact that he was having around 5 different men a day for over 20 YEARS ring a bell?

[newwaveboy87]

so...all homosexual men are supposed to have at least 5 partners a day?
i must have missed that memo.

[E. Bison]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega5.gifNo, of course not, but THIS GUY was so it was obvious that he was a sexual addict as well.

[newwaveboy87]

i've said before that i disagree with you, and i still do. i think sometimes people take other's word as fact, and forget about possibilities like lying and the concept of a facade.

for example, when a man gets married has kids and then one day wakes up and announces that he's been a homosexual all along and has had affairs with men before hand.

i dont believe that people have cured themselves. i think they're deluiding themselves into believing what they secretly want.

[E. Bison]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/vega_4.gifIt's kinda hard to hide your lifestyle for over twenty years and nobody notice. Like I said, it's not easy; sexuality is something ingrained in us so turning that around is never easy. It takes years of support and work to turn. And you're right that you don't just quit practicing it but you must quit feeling it, desiring it, and thinking of it. When your whole life has revolved around one direction it's not easy going back another.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/vega_5.gifWell of course they haven't cured themselves, there's nothing TO cure. It's not genetic it an inclination. Inclinations can be turned, twisted, reversed, etc. The only known form of sexual genetic disorders are hermaphrodism and intersex disorders but those are rare. It's the same with pedophiles and criminals who try to claim the whole "genetic disorder" excuse as well. Yet nobody tries to make medications for ant-criminal behavior or sex offenders. It's cuz those people have to do it themselves as well.

[newwaveboy87]

the brain waves of homosexuals are different than those of heterosexuals.
chew on that for a while.

[E. Bison]

the brain waves of homosexuals are different than those of heterosexuals.
chew on that for a while.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/vega_6.jpgActualy, that derived from the same theoretical evidence that the brains of homosexuals were different from heterosexuals but that was inconclusive because the subjects used were that of dead people and some who died of AIDS already. No, actually the theory of brainwaves being different is also inconclusive because the brainwaves of ALL individuals are different. The only conclusive difference in brain activity, hormonal changes, and brain chemical fluxuations is that in men from women. So there's only a difference in brain activity between males and females. The only know disorders where there was a difference was again hermaphrodites and intersex people.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega4.gifLike I said, there's nothing to worry about. There's nothing to cure cuz there isn't anything to cure. That's not how it works. Nobody is gonna change you nor can they. Only individuals can change themselves.

[newwaveboy87]

your constant back peddling, and cancelling out of your arguments makes me wonder why you came to this thread in the first place. at first you claim that only people can change and then you bring up that individuals changed because of religious pressures. which is it? which was it?

you seem sadly misinformed about the cause of homosexuality, and what it is.

i am going to ignore your posts from now on in this thread. i would love to disprove you but i feel as if this is going nowhere and i can't change your mindset. if Gary or Squeeks wants to continue on with you, fine. i personally, can't take you anymore.

[littyx]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/vega_4.gifIt's kinda hard to hide your lifestyle for over twenty years and nobody notice. Like I said, it's not easy; sexuality is something ingrained in us so turning that around is never easy. It takes years of support and work to turn. And you're right that you don't just quit practicing it but you must quit feeling it, desiring it, and thinking of it. When your whole life has revolved around one direction it's not easy going back another.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/vega_5.gifWell of course they haven't cured themselves, there's nothing TO cure. It's not genetic it an inclination. Inclinations can be turned, twisted, reversed, etc. The only known form of sexual genetic disorders are hermaphrodism and intersex disorders but those are rare. It's the same with pedophiles and criminals who try to claim the whole "genetic disorder" excuse as well. Yet nobody tries to make medications for ant-criminal behavior or sex offenders. It's cuz those people have to do it themselves as well.

Ok, lets start with the obvious. If you are trying to have an adult conversation about a heated current issue, can we please stop with the Street Fighter pictures.

Second, you stated earlier that going from Homosexuality to heterosexuality, was as easy as a meat eater becoming a vegetarian. Now your saying that it is not easy at all, but in fact, difficult.

Also, your now comparing hermaphrodites to pedophiles and sex offenders. How many people can you offend here?

[E. Bison]

your constant back peddling, and cancelling out of your arguments makes me wonder why you came to this thread in the first place. at first you claim that only people can change and then you bring up that individuals changed because of religious pressures. which is it? which was it?

you seem sadly misinformed about the cause of homosexuality, and what it is.

i am going to ignore your posts from now on in this thread. i would love to disprove you but i feel as if this is going nowhere and i can't change your mindset. if Gary or Squeeks wants to continue on with you, fine. i personally, can't take you anymore.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega4.gifMy constant back peddling and canceling out at what? For crying outloud I can't keep up with all of you at the same time. Just remind me if I didn't answer something. And littyx I didn't say changing sexuality was easy like changing eating habits. I said it was the same as going back to what was natural BUT it isn't easy. Yeah people change for religous purposes but since nobody outside in the world cares about that you have nothing TO change.

[E. Bison]

hermaphrodites to pedophiles and sex offenders. How many people can you offend here?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega4.gifyou didn't read anything correctly. I said hermaphrodites and intersex people are the only ones born that way. Pedophiles and criminals are not.

[Kritish]

Ok, lets start with the obvious. If you are trying to have an adult conversation about a heated current issue, can we please stop with the Street Fighter pictures.

Second, you stated earlier that going from Homosexuality to heterosexuality, was as easy as a meat eater becoming a vegetarian. Now your saying that it is not easy at all, but in fact, difficult.

Also, your now comparing hermaphrodites to pedophiles and sex offenders. How many people can you offend here?

He can't it's his trademark on the hype.

[newwaveboy87]

bumpage

[Kritish]

Every minority latches on the the X-men and claims it as there own. :rolleyes:

[littyx]

^ No ones claiming anything as "their own". Its a simple comparison. No one said X-Men and homosexuality are synonymous.

[newwaveboy87]

what Gary said.

this thread was based on purely ONE example. so it has evolved from that original goal, oh well. things tend to do that.

[Kritish]

The actual truth, the X-men was based on the civil rights movement by Stan Lee as an attempt to teach tolerance to kids.

[newwaveboy87]

everyone knows this...:confused:
the comic storyline has since involved into an allegory for any repressed minority.

[pyromaniac]

The actual truth, the X-men was based on the civil rights movement by Stan Lee as an attempt to teach tolerance to kids.

Tolerance being the operative, general word.

If you'd heard about Sir Ian Mckellen drawing on the same basis, as well as Halle Berry and Brett Ratner and so forth - you'd be inclined to open that mind a little more, if I were you.

That it's inclusive to all who chooses to feel a point of identification and relation with a minority that's long often in the throes of persecution, prejudice and fear.

Ring any bells?

[newwaveboy87]

http://channels.netscape.com/whatsnew/default.jsp?story=20060521-0700

Men may be homosexual because of their mother's genes. Scientists from the University of California at Los Angeles have found that the genetics of mothers who have multiple gay sons act differently than those of other women, reports HealthDay News.

Basically, it works like this: Every woman carries two X chromosomes, even though they only require one of them. So the human body routinely inactivates one of those X chromosomes at random. Normally, what happens is half of the X chromosomes go one way, while the second half go the other way. "It's like flipping a coin," study co-author Sven Bocklandt told HealthDay News. "If you look at a woman in any given (bodily) tissue, you'd expect about half of the cells to inactivate one X, and half would inactivate the other."

In this study of 97 mothers of gay sons and 103 mothers who did not have gay sons, 25 percent of the 44 women who had more than one gay son also processed their X chromosomes differently than normal. "When we looked at women who have gay kids, in those with more than one gay son, we saw a quarter of them inactivate the same X in virtually every cell we checked," Bocklandt explained to HealthDay News. "That's extremely unusual." Only 4 percent of the moms whose sons were not gay inactivated the chromosome in this way, as did 13 percent of the mothers who had just one gay son. Bocklandt said this phenomenon is typically seen only in families with major genetic irregularities. He said the research "confirms that there is a strong genetic basis for sexual orientation, and that for some gay men, genes on the X chromosome are involved."

This isn't the final answer. As Dr. Ionel Sandovici, a genetics researcher at The Babraham Institute in Cambridge, England, pointed out to HealthDay News, most of the mothers of multiple gay sons didn't share the unusual X-chromosome trait. In addition, the study is small. The study findings were published in the journal Human Genetics.

interesting...

[littyx]

Yeah, I was just learning about this on my Sociology of Human Sexuality class. Even though I knew about it before the class. Also, for every son a couple has, that son is 33% more likely to be gay. Its true, look it up. That is one thing that scientists have studied that seems to be true every time.

[newwaveboy87]

poor mothers...:(

[squeekness]

I know a lesbian who had two gay brothers. Have they looked at moms who have not only gay sons but gay daughters as well?

[newwaveboy87]

no idea.
but that's a good question.

[squeekness]

At least my friend was blessed with an understanding mom. She and her siblings were all well accepted and loved just as they were. :)

[newwaveboy87]

i'm not gonna lie, i feel a little sorry for mothers with gay children.

[squeekness]

Why? No grandkids?

[newwaveboy87]

pretty much.
mothers worry about their kids anyway, and then you add on the whole gay thing and it's huge set of problems. do you know the statistics of teen suicide related to homosexuality!?

[squeekness]

No, but I imagine it's quite high. The idea of it makes me angry. I hate that society puts such stigmas on people that they are driven to it. Who are we to judge other people?

[newwaveboy87]

they are high, WAY too high in fact.

[squeekness]

The sad part is, in cases like this, someone like me could direct a person who is feeling suicidal to look towards God for some guidence. I can't do that here because so many of those so called people of God are the worst spreaders of the hate. :(

[newwaveboy87]

indeed.
isn't it ironic...and completely against their religious beliefs.

[squeekness]

Yup. A sign that not all is well in God's house. :( Hopefully Jesus will come and sort it all out someday.

[newwaveboy87]

i have a feeling he'd come down and yell "THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT!!"

[squeekness]

I think so too. About a lot of things. :rolleyes:

[newwaveboy87]

pretty much.
like..."don't use the word of God to launch a war!!"

[squeekness]

True dat. Jesus must weep every day over us. :(

[littyx]

i have a feeling he'd come down and yell "THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT!!"
Did you take that from a Margaret Cho skit?:)

Also, about your feeling sorry for mothers of gay children. I think its funny when people say this. I mean, yeah, I get the whole you don't want your children to live harder lives, but what if a black person said "Hey, I'm not going to have a kid because they might discover that we don't live in a perfect world and they may experience racism."

Like you said, the rates are much higher for gay children to commit suicide then for straight kids. Well, A LOT of those kids that commit suicide are because their parents threw them out, or because the parents will not accept them. Yes, many gay kids commit suicide because of what society tells them, or what their peers think. But if the family is there to support them, and tell them that it is ok to be a homosexual, then there doesnt have to be anyone feeling sorry for mothers of gay kids.

I'm not coming down on you newwave, but I think its ridiculous when our society says that its harder for gay kids to grow up, when that same society is making it harder for them.

[newwaveboy87]

i already know all the statistics/facts/figures/etc. trust me.
i spend a lot of my free time looking into this...it's a bit of a passion? hobby? don't quite know the word.

i agree with what you said, but still, i feel bad for the parents. mostly it's ability to be so freaking empathetic to people.

i try to see all sides and understand all views. i see where they're coming from, and i just feel sorry for them.

[Avalanche]

i agree with what you said, but still, i feel bad for the parents. mostly it's ability to be so freaking empathetic to people.
Feeling sorry for my parents, or more precisely, my Mother since my Dad bailed when I was a kid, is exactly why I could never tell her about my sexuality. I know she'd try and be understanding, but she wouldn't be able to hide the disappointment, and I don't know how I'd handle her being so disappointed in me.

[littyx]

Feeling sorry for my parents, or more precisely, my Mother since my Dad bailed when I was a kid, is exactly why I could never tell her about my sexuality. I know she'd try and be understanding, but she wouldn't be able to hide the disappointment, and I don't know how I'd handle her being so disappointed in me.
So you shut your mom out? You hide a big part of your life to her, you don't include her on all the wonderful things you can be enjoying and sharing with your mother.

Why would your mother be so dissapointed in you? Because of something you cannot change? Because, as from a scientists perspective, of something that is probably genetically traced back to your mother. If you think your saving your mother the "dissapointment" by not telling her the truth. Your only making things much worse in the long run. Your mother is going through life having these expectations for you, wondering why things have gone a certain way. And she's completely in the dark about your lifestyle.
God people, were not pedophiles, were not drug addicts. This is something we do not need to feel ashamed or dissapointed about.

[squeekness]

If you feel she would be understanding and not toss you out, then all the more reason to tell her. Good relationships are based on a foundation of love and trust and honesty and one little secret can undermine all of that. She might wonder what else you haven't told her when there probably isn't anything, but it will nag at her just the same.

[newwaveboy87]

Feeling sorry for my parents, or more precisely, my Mother since my Dad bailed when I was a kid, is exactly why I could never tell her about my sexuality. I know she'd try and be understanding, but she wouldn't be able to hide the disappointment, and I don't know how I'd handle her being so disappointed in me.
i know, and understand, EXACTLY where you are coming from.
if you'd like to talk to me more about it, feel free to pm.

[newwaveboy87]

So you shut your mom out? You hide a big part of your life to her, you don't include her on all the wonderful things you can be enjoying and sharing with your mother.

Why would your mother be so dissapointed in you? Because of something you cannot change? Because, as from a scientists perspective, of something that is probably genetically traced back to your mother. If you think your saving your mother the "dissapointment" by not telling her the truth. Your only making things much worse in the long run. Your mother is going through life having these expectations for you, wondering why things have gone a certain way. And she's completely in the dark about your lifestyle.
God people, were not pedophiles, were not drug addicts. This is something we do not need to feel ashamed or dissapointed about.
you're speaking from a place where you're perfectly comfortable in stating who you are and how you feel. he might not be in the same place you are at, try and show some compassion and understanding. there is no rush to come out, you'll do it when you're good and ready John.

[littyx]

I know exactly where he's coming from newwave. And I'm not trying to be insensitive or uncompassionate. I am only giving him reasons as to why he should feel more comfortable in letting his mother know about himself. Why would I be telling you guys that "Hey, you know what, being in the closet is safe and warm and a good place to be." When I know that the opposite is true. When i came out I wasn't perfectly comfortable with who I was, nor am I today. But there is a reason why people come out....because it is necessary for our well being. How are we going to prosper if we are invisible?

[newwaveboy87]

he's not invisible.
we've had this discussion before, being gay is just a small piece of a larger whole. he needs to do it when he is good and ready, there's no need to try and force someone to do it. yes, it has its benefits but it also has its setbacks. people need to be ready for all of the emotional swings that are going to happen before, during, and after.

he'll do it in time. he'll do it when it is right for him.
no need to rush into this.

[littyx]

Are you out to your parents newwave?

[newwaveboy87]

yep.
well...not my dad, but i haven't seen him in almost 9 yrs so that really is a mute point these days.

[imaperson2]

dont you guys hate when gay guys take it a little too far? i have some gay kid in one of my classes and hes always screaming "i want some dick!" and hes always talking about him and his boyfriend so loudly. hes so annoying. i hate the feminine types, which he is. a GHETTO feminine type.

[newwaveboy87]

i don't hate them. at times, i am angered that they're usually the only section of the minority that the media chooses to focus in on and has become the stereotype, but i don't hate them.

[imaperson2]

it just gets annoying. i didnt say i hated them. i said i hated how they act...or "dislike". jason when did you come out?

[newwaveboy87]

when i was around your age.
the circumstances around it were different to yours. if it were up to me, i wouldn't have done it until i was in college...but oh well, life deals us some hardships and we make the best of them.

if anything, after all the drama that happened between my mother and i it brought our relationship to the place it is now. and i will freely admit it, yet again?, I AM A MAMA'S BOY!

[littyx]

dont you guys hate when gay guys take it a little too far? i have some gay kid in one of my classes and hes always screaming "i want some dick!" and hes always talking about him and his boyfriend so loudly. hes so annoying. i hate the feminine types, which he is. a GHETTO feminine type.
Umm, no. I don't "hate the feminine types". I don't hate anyone...well maybe Eminem.:p Anyway, it seems to me that many gay guys that dislike other "feminine" guys are the ones that are not comfortable with their sexuality, and they are scared that those kinds of guys are a representation of themselves. Some of my closest friends are effemeninate. 5 years ago, I probably wouldn't hang out with them. I was too scared about what other people would think about me associating with them. But now that I am comfortable with myself, I could care less. What does it matter if someone is effeminate? What are they doing to me? It's sad when gay men are discriminated against in their own community.

[Mr. Socko]

Like Ratner said, it's not just broken down to X-Men representing gays. It's X-Men representing all minority groups; gays, blacks, jews, etc.

But is there a certain minority group that Stan got the idea of the X-Men from?

[newwaveboy87]

well...if you look at the time frame they were around in there's several different influences that created them. The Civil Rights movement and the McCarthyism of the 50s are definitely big influences on the nature of the books.


and why does everyone point out that the X-Men is an allegory for all minorities? we understand that. this thread was designed for ONE of those minority groups. JUST THE ONE. no need to remind us that it serves other purposes, we're just talking about this one in here.

[Avalanche]

Anyway, it seems to me that many gay guys that dislike other "feminine" guys are the ones that are not comfortable with their sexuality, and they are scared that those kinds of guys are a representation of themselves.
I don't think that's true. To say that particular kind of gay guy is representative is to assume that all gay guys are feminine. Personally, while I might not be completely comfortable with my sexuality, I've made peace with it, and femine guys, to put it bluntly, get on my nerves.

I don't know, but I just don't get it. Why does being attractive to other guys seem to come with this femine stereotype? Is it not possible to be attracted to the same sex without some kind of personality overhall? I don't think a gay guy who is behaves straight in every other way than his attractions is uncomfortable with who he is, nor can the same be true if he doesn't hang around with a particular type of guy guy.

[imaperson2]

those feminine ones just get on my damn nerves. they are the stereotype of a gay man. maybe thats why i hate it. they make everyone think that thats what a gay man is.

[TheOnlyWay]

Hi Everyone.

I feel pity for those who only view comic book reading as a form of escapism. One of the reasons why I respect Bryan Singer so much is that he made the X-Men franchise into something more than just wondrous and strange people with wondrous and strange powers. At some point in time, we all feel like mutants. We all feel different from each other. This is true for everyone, but in a particular sense, more meaning is attributed to homosexuals in modern society. Homosexuals are the modern mutants since they are often the targets of hate crimes. They are often viewed as a "moral plague" by the Evangelical Right. Even up to this day, the year 2006, we still do not recognize that they should have the same civil rights as heterosexual people enjoy. Even up to this day, homosexuals are viewed as annoyances, plagues, and unnaturals. It is this type of poisonous perspective which has allowed society in general to ignore the problems of prejudice and discrimination towards homosexuals. It is unfortunate but we still live in a patriarchal-dominated society where males are expected to affirm their masculinity through aggression, violence, and anger. It is these types of cultural influences which has allowed perpetual violence towards homosexuals and it is being largely ignored. We are seeing the modern genoicde occur before our eyes, much like the X-Men depicts in the animated series with a land like "Genosha" where mutants anticipated a place of paradise, free of persecution, yet when they arrive they are confronted by the Sentinels (who are also metaphors of people who perpetrate hate crimes; KKK, religious extremists, etc) and are placed in detention camps (metaphor for concentration camps that Nazi Germany harbored around Europe).

Chris Clarement, who is the writer of the Uncanny X-Men wrote that the X-Men are mutants who are collectively feared, hated, and despised for no other reason than that they are mutants. Much like homosexuals. There is no other reason for people to hate them except that many believe that we are "unnatural", "perverted", "morally plagued", and if you look into our leaders, we are "sinful" and undeserving of civil recognition. To say that we live in an era free of discrimination is to say that Global Warming is a myth created by GreenPeace activists. I remember that the X-Men released a part of the series that dealed with the Legacy Virus, which is parallel to the AIDS virus. The Legacy Virus was a virus seen as something only attacking mutants. Much like the AIDS epidemic, homosexuals were viewed as the only ones who are affected by the virus and were thus ostracized even more. That is not until they discovered that the heterosexual population was being affected at a much higher rate in the early 90's.

The X-Men are metaphors for homosexuals. We can't deny that.

[newwaveboy87]

so....how has everyone been?

[newwaveboy87]

I don't think that's true. To say that particular kind of gay guy is representative is to assume that all gay guys are feminine. Personally, while I might not be completely comfortable with my sexuality, I've made peace with it, and femine guys, to put it bluntly, get on my nerves.

I don't know, but I just don't get it. Why does being attractive to other guys seem to come with this femine stereotype? Is it not possible to be attracted to the same sex without some kind of personality overhall? I don't think a gay guy who is behaves straight in every other way than his attractions is uncomfortable with who he is, nor can the same be true if he doesn't hang around with a particular type of guy guy.

those feminine ones just get on my damn nerves. they are the stereotype of a gay man. maybe thats why i hate it. they make everyone think that thats what a gay man is.

this is exactly why a lot of the homosexual community is angered by the media. in order for us to be considered gay we must all become screaming queens. it's not true, but that's what popular media wants us to believe. this is also why young homosexuals engage in sexual activity at a younger rate - we've been shown to be promiscuous in popular culture, in order to be gay, we must act in a similar fashion, or so many a youth thinks. it's wrong. it needs to change.

you don't have to be the stereotype in order to be gay...and if you are naturally inclined to be more effeminate that's fine. that's your nature. but it's wrong to showcase all of us as being the effeminate type.

[spark627]

hey all

im joining this discussion late in the game, but it seems interesting.

i have always felt the x-men were metaphors for gay people. i related to them way before i realized i was gay lol

i always found myself connected with rogue (her struggle with being proud of being a mutant but being held back bc of it), for a long time i was comfortable as gay man but i wasnt out, due to fear. bc of fear i didnt date anyone or talk about. luckily i got that past that about 5 years ago...anyway, cool discussion.

-newaveboy87, your a tori amos fan??? (based on sig quote) she is my life hehe

[newwaveboy87]

i heart Tori Amos! :eek:

[spark627]

i heart Tori Amos! :eek:


haha awesome, yea ive loved her since 98. have you seen her live? im pretty dorky, ive seen her 21 times...

[newwaveboy87]

21 times!?
you have no life...:(

actually i've only been to No Doubt concerts. but in the process i've seen pre-superstardom Weezer, The Living End, The Faint, and blink-182.
strangely...blink-182 was the one that sucked the most live. and i was at their last concert before the break-up. good times, they actually put on a decent show that time.

[spark627]

21 times!?
you have no life...:(




lol actually, i have a crazy life, i just make sure to fit tori into it. def check her out in 2007, you wont be disapointed

[newwaveboy87]

at least you laughed at that.
good to know my sense of humor isn't lost on you.

i rarely go to concerts...that's the thing of not having a car.

[newwaveboy87]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/lockshockbarre17/rainbowsaregay.jpg

[littyx]

^ I Have that shirt!

[newwaveboy87]

i think it's so freaking funny.

[Mr. Socko]

The X-Men are metaphors for homosexuals, but not much, and nor were they created that way.

Homosexuals face bigotry and discrimination but no where near as much the X-Men do. Magneto has said several times that a war between mutant and mankind is coming. A war between homosexuals and heterosexuals has not and never will take place. Homosexuals are only discriminated against a little. Mutants are discriminated against ALOT. There are so many other groups of people that can relate to the X-Men more then homosexuals. But gay people who are fans just want to take it and make it their own. When did this bit even start? When Bryan Singer started directing?

Stan Lee did not create The X-Men as a metaphor for homosexuals, although many like to believe so.

[newwaveboy87]

Mr Socko...haven't i already explained the purpose of this thread to you once before? oh well..maybe you'll read it this time:

well...if you look at the time frame they were around in there's several different influences that created them. The Civil Rights movement and the McCarthyism of the 50s are definitely big influences on the nature of the books.


and why does everyone point out that the X-Men is an allegory for all minorities? we understand that. this thread was designed for ONE of those minority groups. JUST THE ONE. no need to remind us that it serves other purposes, we're just talking about this one in here.

[Mr. Socko]

Whats wrong? My reply was just about the topic at hand.

And back to it. If mutants were huge metaphors for homosexuals then it really would be rather boring simply because homosexuals are not at war with the world.

A mutant would walk outside and say "some people don't like us, oh well". That would be all, there'd be nothing huge going on.

Stryker devoted his life to eradicating mutants. Would anyone do that to homosexuals? No.

[squeekness]

Stryker devoted his life to eradicating mutants. Would anyone do that to homosexuals? No.I know that there have been several money driven campaigns by bible thumpers in the south to do just that. First it was the blacks, now it's the gays. If they could build the camps, believe me, a few of them would.

[Mr. Socko]

Ok, I take that part back. Hitler also tried it along with Jews too.

Then there's Senator Kelly wanting to pass a bill that segregates mutants and humans. I'm not sure but I don't think America was ever stupid enough to try something like that with hetero and homosexuals.

[newwaveboy87]

it's called The Defense of Marriage Act :o

[squeekness]

That's how it starts. A little piece of legislation that earmarks a certain group as being less privildged than everyone else. First one law then another then another until who knows where it stops. :(

[Blackpanther22]

http://today.reuters.com/News/CrisesArticle.aspx?storyId=L0393312

YUK! How can people be so damn intolerant. I'm ashamed of being romanian.

[newwaveboy87]

newwaveboy87 187
littyx 81
Pyrox 47
cookiva 40
bengan 27
pyromaniac 24
squeekness 20
imaperson2 19
Kritish 18
E. Bison 13
Exploding Boy 12
phoenix_force 11
Elijya 10
sebita 9
JP 9
JustABill 7
Angry Sentinel 6
X-Maniac 5
Lazmarquez 5
Mr. Socko 5
Specter313 4
Darthkush 4
andiuk 4
Autobot_prime 3
Endeavor 3
tedw 3
bosef982 3
spark627 3
LittleMissVixen 3
BBraddockLover 3
OutcryX 2
kol_lover 2
onejeremytogo 2
Avalanche 2
Holy spirit 2
_BB_ 2
Sauron 1
echostation 1
Mogwai 1
Tempest Raging 1
Spiff 1
undomiel 1
Killgore 1
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GreatWhiteWhale 1
Metathron 1
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Blackpanther22 1
lazerustheduck 1
Kmack 1
HUMAN 1
TheOnlyWay 1
Valerijan 1

I AM THE KING OF ANOTHER THREAD! :eek:

[Pyrox]

How'd I get to be #3?

[newwaveboy87]

when i was "interviewing" you that one night.

[Pyrox]

Ah right, I remember that

[newwaveboy87]

yes, your being vague shot up your post count in this thread

[Pyrox]

Yay for vagueness!

[squeekness]

http://today.reuters.com/News/CrisesArticle.aspx?storyId=L0393312

YUK! How can people be so damn intolerant. I'm ashamed of being romanian.Some protesters, including Orthodox nuns and a priest, carried crosses and chanted "Romania does not need you". Some protesters clashed with police, who fired tear gas and used batons to hold them at bay. They detained 51 people. "Romania has problems with accepting any minorities," Octav Popescu, one of the parade organisers told Realitatea TV.

And they call themselves Christians? Jesus would be weeping. This is not what being a Christian is all about but so many people out there just don't get it. :down

[bengan]

Yea I own u all!! And this is now more of a spamingthread then a x-men=gays thread.....and I LIKE IT!!! hehe.

Oh, this was news to me. A friend to me told med thet gaypeople(or in his country single men) cant adopt children. And that made mes o mad. Here in Sweden homosexuals can adopt children(and get married), but I thought that that was the case in many countries. But I guess thats not the case and that made me sooo ANGRY!!:hulk:

[Valechan]

What was that list about??? Are they outing us??? Have they started to round us up for tagging???

[squeekness]

That was the top posters for this thread. :)

[Valechan]

Somebody actually counted the posts??? People are scary sometimes...

[squeekness]

Not exactly. If you click here, it will tell you has posted in that thread. :)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/w2c7tr.jpg

[Valechan]

Thanks for the info, never tried to click there :D

[squeekness]

Me niether. I only found out about it about a month ago. D'oh! :p

[littyx]

Homosexuals face bigotry and discrimination but no where near as much the X-Men do. Homosexuals are only discriminated against a little.
Where do you live, Mars? Or let me guess, you are not gay and you probably don't have any close gay friends or family. Because if you did, you would realize that homosexuals are discriminated against on a daily basis.

Do you call Matthew Shepard's murder being "discriminated against a little"? What about the blatant verbal and physical abuse that we must endure everyday?

What about the fact that my close friend was almost murdered a few months ago in Los Angeles after walking out of a bar? Three heterosexual men beat him until he was unconscious and then raped him with a knife. He had to have a part of his colon removed as well as his small intestine. Mr Socko, is that only a little discrimination?

[bengan]

Where do you live, Mars? Or let me guess, you are not gay and you probably don't have any close gay friends or family. Because if you did, you would realize that homosexuals are discriminated against on a daily basis.

Do you call Matthew Shepard's murder being "discriminated against a little"? What about the blatent verbal and physical abuse that we must endure everyday?

What about the fact that my close friend was almost murdered a few months ago in Los Angeles after walking out of a bar? Three heterosexual men beat him until he was unconscious and then raped him with a knife. He had to have a part of his colon removed as well as his small intestine. Mr Socko, is that only a little discrimination?
God Im so angry right now. When I learned about what happend to Matthew I was..I cant belive it. What humans could do just becuse they dont think that it doesnt fit in this perfect socaity that we call the world today. Like all the other hate crimes, this was just evil and ingnorance.

[Valechan]

There are several movies about Matthew Sheppard, and I think I've seen them all. I find it quite sad that I found out about it in a movie instead of a newscast. Someone thought the news wasn't good enough to be broadcasted worldwide. That is just so sad.

[bengan]

Ive seen one movie..and to bad that it sucked. But his fate is depressing and unfotunatly, not unusual....

[Valechan]

I hope it's unusual, gay bigotry is bad, but what happened to him was beyond bad. Those people should've been put to suffer in the same way he suffered.

[newwaveboy87]

see The Laramie Project...good movie about the aftermath of Matthew Shepard's killing.

[newwaveboy87]

Yea I own u all!! And this is now more of a spamingthread then a x-men=gays thread.....and I LIKE IT!!! hehe.

Oh, this was news to me. A friend to me told med thet gaypeople(or in his country single men) cant adopt children. And that made mes o mad. Here in Sweden homosexuals can adopt children(and get married), but I thought that that was the case in many countries. But I guess thats not the case and that made me sooo ANGRY!!:hulk:
actually....I own you all in this thread. :o

[bengan]

actually....I own you all in this thread. :o
yes sorry. Forgott about that....:(

[newwaveboy87]

Where do you live, Mars? Or let me guess, you are not gay and you probably don't have any close gay friends or family. Because if you did, you would realize that homosexuals are discriminated against on a daily basis.

Do you call Matthew Shepard's murder being "discriminated against a little"? What about the blatant verbal and physical abuse that we must endure everyday?

What about the fact that my close friend was almost murdered a few months ago in Los Angeles after walking out of a bar? Three heterosexual men beat him until he was unconscious and then raped him with a knife. He had to have a part of his colon removed as well as his small intestine. Mr Socko, is that only a little discrimination?
don't forgot Nazi persecution during WWII.
or our current President's legislation to ban same-sex marriage and adoption.

[bengan]

don't forgot Nazi persecution during WWII.
or our current President's legislation to ban same-sex marriage and adoption.
Why would the do that?????:mad:

[Valechan]

BEcause married gay people are hiding weapon of mass destruction ... :rolleyes:

[bengan]

BEcause married gay people are hiding weapon of mass destruction ... :rolleyes:
Oh, God no!!


That law is just stupid. Every person needs love.

[newwaveboy87]

Bush says that a child needs "a man and a woman" in order to have a proper childhood, and that there is no way that a same-sex couple could provide the proper influence.

also, the marriage thing ties into his "Christian" beliefs.

[bengan]

Bush says that a child needs "a man and a woman" in order to have a proper childhood, and that there is no way that a same-sex couple could provide the proper influence.

also, the marriage thing ties into his "Christian" beliefs.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I think that I laughed my kneecap off!!!
oh god hes like the new Seinfeld. I mean where has he been the last hundred years? A couple that is gay is just as good as giving love as a "ordinary" married couple is. Stupid idiot. And why shouldnt every human feel the meaning of life(which I belive is children), I mean how stupid is he??

And honestly, do you think that God care about WHO you love? NO, he only care about THAT you love!

Edit: oh and here a recent photo of my sexienes!:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/MEE/jbghj.jpg

[newwaveboy87]

you look so wittle! ^_^

[bengan]

you look so wittle! ^_^
And what is that? I looked it up and it said that it was something that you could do with a knife to a pice of wood....Thanks I guess...:confused:

[newwaveboy87]

i just meant for it be a play off of little.
as in, you look young.

and isn't that form of wittle spelled whittle?

[squeekness]

You guys are so young. Maybe you shouldn't be putting your pictures online. It's scary out here. :(

[Pyrox]

That's why I don't,lol

[newwaveboy87]

you don't just because you're gay

[phoenix_force]

you shouldn't post pictures of your head post pictures of uh other things

[newwaveboy87]

that would get him banned....and i don't want to see that :o

[bengan]

hehe...But thats a good idea. Ive seen nwb87 somewhere and Ive seen Phoenix force in his ice form. Cant someone else post a pic? Come on!!!

[Valechan]

I don't want to scare people that's why I don't post pics :p

[newwaveboy87]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060608/ap_on_go_co/gay_marriage

Senate rejects amendment on gay marriage
By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
5 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The Senate rejected a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage by a wide margin Wednesday, delivering a stinging defeat to President Bush and other Republicans who hope the issue will rally GOP voters for the November elections.

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The senators' vote was 49-48 to limit debate and bring the amendment to a yes-or-no decision. That was 11 short of the 60 needed, killing the measure in the Senate for this year.

Bush suggested the ban was proper and its time would still come. He said, "Our nation's founders set a high bar for amending our Constitution and history has shown us that it can take several tries before an amendment builds the two-thirds support it needs in both houses of Congress."

Democrats suggested it was all about conservative politics.

"Why is it when Republicans are all for reducing the federal government's impact on people's lives until it comes to these stinging litmus test issues, whether gay marriage or end of life they suddenly want the federal government to intervene?" asked Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif. "It makes no sense other than throwing red meat to a certain constituency."

The 49 votes to keep the amendment alive were one more than the measure received the last time the Senate voted, in 2004. Proponents had predicted the amendment would get at least a 51-vote majority in the 100-member Senate with the gain four Republican seats since then.

It takes two-thirds majorities in both houses of Congress to send a proposed amendment to the states for ratification. The House will take up the issue next month.

Despite the defeat, amendment backers insisted progress had been made because the debate over three days raised the issue's profile and will force candidates to answer for their votes on the campaign trail.

"Eventually, Congress is going to have to catch up to the wisdom of the American people or the American people will change Congress for the better," said Sen. David Vitter, R-La.

"We're not going to stop until marriage between a man and a woman is protected," said Sen. Sam Brownback (news, bio, voting record), R-Kan.

Most bitter to the amendments' authors was the loss of support in their own GOP caucus. Two Republicans changed their votes from yes in 2004 to no this time: Judd Gregg of New Hampshire and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska did not vote Wednesday because he was traveling with Bush.

All told, seven Republicans voted to kill the amendment. The five others were Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, Susan Collins of Maine, John McCain of Arizona, Olympia Snowe of Maine and John Sununu of New Hampshire.

Gregg said that in 2004, he believed a Massachusetts Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage in that state would undermine the authority of other states, like his, to prohibit such unions.

"Fortunately, such legal pandemonium has not ensued," Gregg said. "The past two years have shown that federalism, not more federal laws, is a viable and preferable approach."

A majority of Americans define marriage as a union of a man and a woman, as the proposed amendment does, according to a poll out this week by ABC News. But an equal majority oppose amending the Constitution over the issue, the poll found.

The tally Wednesday put the ban 18 votes short of the 67 needed for the Senate to approve a constitutional amendment.

Supporters of the amendment acknowledged disappointment in the vote and, to some extent, Bush's advocacy. "He could have done more, but he doesn't have a vote in this one," Brownback said of the president.

Forty-five of the 50 states have acted to define traditional marriage in ways that would ban same-sex marriage — 19 with state constitutional amendments and 26 with statutes.

The proposed federal amendment would prohibit states from recognizing same-sex marriages. After approval by Congress, it would have to be ratified by at least 38 state legislatures.

Sen. Ben Nelson (news, bio, voting record) of Nebraska was the only Senate Democrat who supported the amendment. Democrat Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted "yes" on Wednesday's motion to move forward with an up-or-down vote on the amendment but said he opposed the measure itself.

Three senators did not vote: Democrats Christopher Dodd of Connecticut and John Rockefeller of West Virginia as well as Republican Hagel of Nebraska.

[littyx]

^Yes!! Looks like I still have time to marry my dog!

[ico]

Hello homo's :)

[newwaveboy87]

hey skank

[ico]

This thread is jumpin!....

[newwaveboy87]

god...i love when my wireless stops working.
it's terribly exciting. i think my nipple just got hard.


...or not....:down :mad:

[Pyrox]

hey skank
Why are you welcoming yourself? :confused:

[newwaveboy87]

*socks Steven in the chin*

hey boy who won't admit what's right in front of his face.

[ico]

Oh god, lets not bring all that venom in here too.

[newwaveboy87]

this is just how we are with each other...Steven's like my little brother.

[Pyrox]

No offence to you personally Steven,
but I never understood when people are confused about their sexuality. I was never confused. I always knew I was gay. Sure, I didn't come out until my mid teens, but I still always knew what I was.
Try just answering these simple questions. You don't have to tell us the answer, but it might help you personally.

Do you have sexual fantasies about men?

Do you have sexual fantasies about women?

If you answered yes to just men, then you're gay, etc. Pretty easy, in my book.
Yes, I have sexual fantasies about men.
I have them about women too, just not as much.
But that's all I think about men.
Object's of lust...can't see them as anything else really.

[newwaveboy87]

you sound like me in middle school

[LEX]

Edit: oh and here a recent photo of my sexienes!:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/MEE/jbghj.jpg
I would say you're hot, but that would be as subtle as a flying brick.
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I AM THE KING OF ANOTHER THREAD!
I'm nowhere on that list. :o

...now, I am.


STEVEN!

Do you have sexual fantasies about men?

Do you have sexual fantasies about women?

If you answered yes to just men, then you're gay, etc. Pretty easy, in my book.


Answer now.


Edit: Too late.

[Pyrox]

Dur, I did?
Try looking up :rolleyes:

[LEX]

Yes, I have sexual fantasies about men.
I have them about women too, just not as much.
But that's all I think about men.
Object's of lust...can't see them as anything else really.
Then you're a BISEXUAL. There you go. Case solved.

[newwaveboy87]

no he's not.

[LEX]

Dur, I did?
Try looking up :rolleyes:
Oh, shut up. :o

[LEX]

no he's not.
Then what is he? :confused:

[newwaveboy87]

it's not as easy you think it is to admit to yourself that you're gay.
a lot of gay guys will come out as a bisexual at first, only to find themselves loosing interest in women over time.

[ico]

I'd say he was bi. If he is having natural, non-forced sexual thoughts about both men and women, then he is niether gay nor straight. Just bi, but leans more toward men.

Most bi people tend to end up staying on a particular side though after a while. At least all the ones I know have.

But then, he may be lying about the liking women part. Or at least, deluding himself.

[LEX]

it's not as easy you think it is to admit to yourself that you're gay.
a lot of gay guys will come out as a bisexual at first, only to find themselves loosing interest in women over time.
That's true. :up:

[newwaveboy87]

I'd say he was bi. If he is having natural, non-forced sexual thoughts about both men and women, then he is niether gay nor straight. Just bi, but leans more toward men.

Most bi people tend to end up staying on a particular side though after a while. At least all the ones I know have.
knowing what i know about him, he's bi now, he won't be in a few years.

[ico]

knowing what i know about him, he's bi now, he won't be in a few years.

Yeah, a lot of bi people do end up like that, as I said. As they said in Sex in the City;

"I'm not even sure I believe in bisexuality. I think it's just a layover on the way to Gaytown."

"Hey, isnt that right next to Ricky-Martinville?"

[newwaveboy87]

haha...i miss that show. :( :up:

god...Sex & the City and your into kinky things...
be my lover? :confused:

[LEX]

Yeah, a lot of bi people do end up like that, as I said. As they said in Sex in the City;

"I'm not even sure I believe in bisexuality. I think it's just a layover on the way to Gaytown."

"Hey, isnt that right next to Ricky-Martinville?"
I hate it when I don't get things. What does layover mean?

[newwaveboy87]

a layover is when you're waiting around in the airport in-between flights.

[LEX]

a layover is when you're waiting around in the airport in-between flights.
Ah, I see. :up:


...I'd laugh if I got it right away. I guess it's too late now.

[newwaveboy87]

..possibly...

[Pyrox]

I get what you all are saying, but...eh, my lack of wanting it probably dosn't help my confusion

[newwaveboy87]

never does

[commento]

Hey everybody, I am not really an X-men reader but I thought it was cool what you guys have done with this thread. I am sure it helps to have this in a X-men forum but I have never seen a thread with so much "gay talk".

This thread in away shows that not all of us "nerds" are missing out on not ever having had *** with a woman.

So anyway I have already sent requests for some members but if anyone is cool with adding me to there myspace mine is

http://www.myspace.com/cobraaaa

eitherway it's great to have seen this thread. Good luck to you all. Laters, David

[newwaveboy87]

did you send me a friend request? Commentor?

[squeekness]

Howdy, commento, and welcome to this thread and to the Hype. We certainly hope to see you posting more of your comments here soon. :)

[commento]

did you send me a friend request? Commentor?

Not sure are you jason or Gary? and squeekness thanks for the kind words and the welcome.

David

[LEX]

Yep, welcome to the Hype, commento. :up:

He's Jason, btw.

[commento]

Yep, welcome to the Hype, commento. :up:

He's Jason, btw.

Thanx, you know I love your Avatar Lex but if I watch it too much it makes me Dizzy:) I really like the scene it gives me goose bumps. I like it as much the scene with storm going up against the Planes.

David

[LEX]

Thanx, you know I love your Avatar Lex but if I watch it too much it makes me Dizzy:) I really like the scene it gives me goose bumps. I like it as much the scene with storm going up against the Planes.

David
You're one of many to compliment on it. I thank you. :up: I miss Nightcrawler's bamfing. :o Too bad he wasn't in X3. He would've made a great addition to the X-Men and would've been a great fighter in the final battle.

[newwaveboy87]

Not sure are you jason or Gary? and squeekness thanks for the kind words and the welcome.

David
i'm Jason

[ico]

haha...i miss that show. :( :up:

god...Sex & the City and your into kinky things...
be my lover? :confused:

I miss it too. I can remember I was so sad during the last episode because me and my friends got a bit tipsy before we watched it. Then I forgot about what happened. So I had to watch it again the next morning, lol. :S

btw, I don't do nothing without dinner and a movie first. ;)

[bengan]

honestly who cares what sexuality that guy has(its up to him...skanks), anywayyy....

Since u liked the old photo heres another one, a LOT of gayguys like it:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/MEE/hll.jpg

Edit: SEX AND THE CITY SUCKED!! But I only watched like 5 minutes so what do I know....

[ico]

Since u liked the old photo heres another one, a LOT of gayguys like it:

SEX AND THE CITY SUCKED!! But I only watched like 5 minutes so what do I know....


a) I don't

b) you suck.

[commento]

honestly who cares what sexuality that guy has(its up to him...skanks), anywayyy....

Since u liked the old photo heres another one, a LOT of gayguys like it:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/MEE/hll.jpg

Edit: SEX AND THE CITY SUCKED!! But I only watched like 5 minutes so what do I know....

Well, I think it matters what his sexuality is in that If I read him right he is still confused and has asked for help/peoples opinions. Now you would be right if others were saying there was a problem with is sexuality.

Now I have wised up but when I met my first bisexual or maybe I should say my first out bisexual I didn't believe it but heck if I believe in hetrosexuals and homosexuals then it is wrong for me not to believe in bisexuality.

When I first met my husband (even if it's not legal yet. I am not a fan of saying partner) He was volunteering for our local health department when we were living in Oregon. This is when I first learned about MSM which stood or stands for "Men who sleep with men" these are guys who sleep with there friends or other men but don't consider themseleves gay. Since they only do it for fun or because it feels good. Many "black" guys would call this on the "Down low".

I swear I am in the habit of doing my best not to make fun of people but I have to tell this story There was this old guy who went in for an apointment and they asked if he would like an Aids test and he said Why would I want that I ain't no rump ranger (Which is I guess a real word but since we were in the country it made me laugh.) Where do people come up with these names?

David

[squeekness]

They come up with these names to put down what they don't understand. Many out there cannot understand that sex between men can be something other than a quick dirty grope. The idea that men might do this for love and bonding escapes them. Or it makes them so uncomfortable they have to put some distance there.

[Valechan]

You guys talk so much it's so hard to keep up...

[squeekness]

Maybe you just need to post more often...:p

[Valechan]

I will next week when I get internet access at home... and then... BEWARE!!!

[squeekness]

We'll still be here. :up:

[bengan]

I will next week when I get internet access at home... and then... BEWARE!!!
Youd ont have acces to interenet? Damn, I cant live without msnmessenger....

[ico]

I couldn't live without internet access either.

But then again, if I didn't have it, I'd probably have more of a life.

[bengan]

I couldn't live without internet access either.

But then again, if I didn't have it, I'd probably have more of a life.

Yea I guess that you have a point but if we look at the soc....SEXANDTHECITYSUCKS!!(runs away and hide)

[LEX]

I will next week when I get internet access at home... and then... BEWARE!!!
I'm shaking already. :o

Bring it.

[ico]

Yea I guess that you have a point but if we look at the soc....SEXANDTHECITYSUCKS!!(runs away and hide)

*is more interested in what the word you cut off from was, soc-, than you insulting sex and the city*

[commento]

I might end up being the idiot for anwsering your question, But I am thinking the word was social.

[ico]

Ah! That makes sense!

[bengan]

hehe yea. Thats the word(but it could be soccer), but I love to discuss these problems. Ive got the highest grade in ethics and Im a real thinker..although I seam to be a nobody here at SHH.

[squeekness]

maybe you just need to post more often, bengan. So we can know you better. ;)

[ico]

Yeah Bengan, just post a lot more. The off-topic thread is a good way to intergrate yourself, at least with the bunch of us that post in there ;)

[commento]

So maybe this is a bad Idea or maybe there is another post somewhere but heck it's the internet so you guys could say anything And it's not like anyone would really know better But where is everyone from and what is your age. Here let me go first (and maybe last:)

Seattle, WA and 29

[newwaveboy87]

I miss it too. I can remember I was so sad during the last episode because me and my friends got a bit tipsy before we watched it. Then I forgot about what happened. So I had to watch it again the next morning, lol. :S

btw, I don't do nothing without dinner and a movie first. ;)
how's about you come over, i cook us something, and we rent movies and cuddle?

[newwaveboy87]

a) I don't

b) you suck.
:eek:

you + me = making some of the palest looking babies EVER!

[Valechan]

Perhaps we should steer this conversation into something that has to do more with the X-MEn... for example... which X-Man should come out of the closet???

I vote for Bobby :D

[newwaveboy87]

Colossus!

[Valechan]

616 not Ultimate...

[newwaveboy87]

either/or, they're both hot (for a cartoon)

[Valechan]

Yes he is... the movie guy is just... too bloody hot... but 616 Colossus is too straight regrettably... we've seen him with Nereel... with Zsaji... with Kitty.... such a waste... when will people know that straigth is NOT the way???

[newwaveboy87]

leave the breeders alone.
Daniel Cudmore...so hot!

[Valechan]

I can't leave the breeders alone!!!! Most of the guys I'm with "claim" they're straight...

[LEX]

Perhaps we should steer this conversation into something that has to do more with the X-MEn... for example... which X-Man should come out of the closet???
Magneto!
















:p :o

I'm voting Bobby and Cyclops. Seriously, I get weak in the knees when I flip the Astonishing X-Men pages and see Cykes shirtless, lying on the bed with Frost.

I'd like to get inbetween them.

[bengan]

Ive just heard of something like hetrocamp..does that even excist? And if so, you could definitely see a conection with the xuniverse. There are soo many mutants that dont want to be a mutant becuse they want to be accepted by the society.

[ico]

how's about you come over, i cook us something, and we rent movies and cuddle?

Fine by me! But I get to pick the movies ;)

[ico]

you + me = making some of the palest looking babies EVER!

i don't do babies. we could make them but you could look after them, they cramp my style

:p

[newwaveboy87]

Fine by me! But I get to pick the movies ;)
ok, you've twisted my arm.
(like i was going to resist anyway...?)

and you don't want kids!!
KA-CHING!
god...i don't want any either. just want to try and make them.

[bengan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcV0SemO8NE&search=Waiting%20for%20my%20Real%20Life%20to%20Beg in
I love that clip, I love SCRUBS!

[ico]

Down with Kids!

[newwaveboy87]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcV0SemO8NE&search=Waiting%20for%20my%20Real%20Life%20to%20Beg in
I love that clip, I love SCRUBS!
that was so sad! :(
i think Zach Braff is cute

[newwaveboy87]

Down with Kids!
yeah....and down with love! who needs it? :mad:

[newwaveboy87]

*kicks thread in the face*

[bengan]

rea my blog damn it nwb87!! do not give up on love

[commento]

yeah....and down with love! who needs it? :mad:

Now you can't go around typing this sort of thing and just leave it at that! (Well I guess you really can, since you did, and it's not like any of us could have stoped ya:) Really though If your serious, why would you be down on love? Are you meaning on trying to find love? Having love for someone else and it not being returned etc?

Now you or anyone could tell me to go suck an egg, but when it comes to love if it's really love I don't think you can always blame "love".

Since in most cases love is never ending so how could it ever be wrong or bad? I hope I am making sense?

[commento]

*kicks thread in the face*

Yikes! First love and now this thread, What did this thread ever do to you? Now you say your sorry to the thread or I am going to have a talk with your mother.

seriously I guess if something is bothering you it's better to kick this thread instead of what's bothering you or something in real life.

Weither you share what is going on with you or not. I wish you luck with whatever is causing you such pain. Although I don't think this is always true there is that saying about how time heals all wounds. I hope that in your case this is true.

[newwaveboy87]

i was just kicking the thread in the face because it hasn't seen much life in the past few days.

oh, and the love thing was just a joke.

you people take me too seriously

[commento]

i was just kicking the thread in the face because it hasn't seen much life in the past few days.

oh, and the love thing was just a joke.

you people take me too seriously

Oh good to hear!:) I was thinking that you were joking but I really couldn't tell.

[newwaveboy87]

roughly 75% of the things i say on these boards are a joke.

she's back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCdT9dfrb-Q

[bengan]

roughly 75% of the things i say on these boards are a joke.

she's back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCdT9dfrb-Q
wooow!! What a scary lady....we live in a sad world.What have she done?

[newwaveboy87]

her family runs some sort of creepy cult and have a demented view on Christianity.

they believe God hates Catholics, Jews, and are happy the Holocaust happened.

[bengan]

Oh God that reporter was MAD. She yelled soo much. I like her=0).

[newwaveboy87]

i know! Julie Banderas has great points.
god bless logic.

seriously - because America 'loves **** (? - the less said about the lack of logic there the better!) we're in a war in Iraq, and people are dying?
right......

[bengan]

haha yea. No its becuse Americans are crazy moneyhungry patriots. Am i right? (And no I dont think that people are dying in Iraq is funny or something like that, its a tragedy). But why the h*ll blame gaypeople? Os black, jews or something else stupid. Didnt she go to school? Its your acts
that shape how you are, nothing else...

[newwaveboy87]

there's many a theory as to why we're in a war in Iraq, i'd rather not get into that one.

but trust me on this, America doesn't "love ****" - if it did there wouldn't be legislation out there to prevent gay marriage and adoption.

[bengan]

there's many a theory as to why we're in a war in Iraq, i'd rather not get into that one.

but trust me on this, America doesn't "love ****" - if it did there wouldn't be legislation out there to prevent gay marriage and adoption.
God I hate it that gaypeople cant adopt children(in your country). What makes them worse parents then other "normal" persons??

[newwaveboy87]

the dominant theory that our President is pushing is that ALL children need both a male and female authority figure for "proper" parenting, and that there is absolutely no way that a gay couple could provide this. god-parent? uncles? friends? yeah...NONE whatsoever.

OH! and the ever popular - gay people will raise gay children. i don't know about everyone else but i'm fairly confident both of my parents, and my step-dad, are heterosexual. i turned out gay. a flaw in that theory! it's so damned illogical.

[Valechan]

Indeed, if all children where like their parents this world would be doomed.

[newwaveboy87]

i hope her kids turn out to be gay

[commento]

I am hoping to be able to adopt, It's still going to be another 3-5 years from now though. I heard rosie o'donald say that there are around 118,000 children waiting to be adopted. This is just so sad and of course just wrong that those of us "gays" that want to have children are being told what kids need.Everyone needs to realize that anyone can be a Great parent just as anyone can be an awful parent. I think this whole gays shouldn't be parents is just as stupid as saying gays are bad since they are too promiscuous. Yet if we want to get married that ia also bad.

[newwaveboy87]

Politics of Fear (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10533313/the_politics_of_fear)

interesting article, although they never seem to prove what they're sub-headline says. oh well.