X-Men and Homosexuality: The Connection

[imaperson2]

Well I don't know what Jason says, but there is no such thing as bisexuals... bisexual men are just scared guys pretending they like women because they are afraid to come out and say the truth :p
ooh great....you're one of those:whatever:

[newwaveboy87]

I'll just put it this way.

''THEY WISH TO CURE US, BUT I SAY TO YOU WE ARE THE CURE. THE CURE FOR THE PERFECT CONDITION CALLED HETEROSEXUAL."

''Who will you stand with, the heteros or us?!"

:o
you forgot my favorites! :cmad:

"Welcome to the future....brother."

"And I will bring you hope old friend. And I ask only one thing in return...don't get in my way."

"The war has begun..."

"You are a god among insects. Never let anyone tell you different."

"You should have killed me when you had the chance! "

you know...anything from Magneto's mouth is pure gold :up:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/lockshockbarre17/X-Men/Brotherhood/Magneto.jpg

[TKing]

ooh great....you're one of those:whatever:

What do you mean? One of those?

[Valechan]

ACtually it should be said anything from sir Ian McKellen's Magneto is pure gold. Comic book Magneto isn't nowhere near as cool as McKellen's Magneto :p

I love the whole "You will not be safe" speech in X3... that is to drool for :p

Actually all of Movie Magneto's lines are just perfect

[TKing]

^Definitely! :) I don't understand how some people can criticise Ian's portrayal of the character. I mean sure he is a bit scrawny compared to his comic counterpart, but he is way cooler and has a definite edge to him. I never even knew who Magneto was before I saw X1. :woot:

[imaperson2]

What do you mean? One of those?
one of those that doesnt believe that there are such thing as "bi" people

[cyclonesfury]

there isnt.... its part of the bargaining phase

[Valechan]

there isnt.... its part of the bargaining phase

yay!! we are legion!!! Down with the self-deluded, self-proclamated "bi"!! It's either the gay way or the highway!!! It is impossible to walk the line between. You're either with us or against us :p!

[newwaveboy87]

:whatever:
bisexuals can, and do, exist.
sexuality is fluid. it's the emotional connection that makes you gay or straight.

i find plenty of girls attractive, but i don't feel romantic feelings for them.
that's the difference.

[imaperson2]

thanks jason :)

[newwaveboy87]

you're not one of them David :up:

[imaperson2]

w/e jason.

[newwaveboy87]

:whatever:

you know what you are and who you want.
stop denying.

[imaperson2]

nope, it's a matter of who i actually like at the time, it doesnt matter if it's a guy or girl.

[imaperson2]

the thought of eating one out...

[newwaveboy87]

http://www.afterelton.com/print/2006/10/gaycomics.html

an article about the current situation of gay characters in comics

[newwaveboy87]

Did "Grey's" Brawl Force Knight Out of the Closet?

Posted Oct 19th 2006 4:20PM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: Gossip/ Rumors, TV
T.R. Knight"Grey's Anatomy" star T.R. Knight told PEOPLE exclusively that he is gay. But was this coming out of his own free will, or as a result of the much-hyped fight between "Grey's" stars Isaiah Washington and Patrick Dempsey?

PEOPLE released a statement from Knight today that said, "While I prefer to keep my personal life private, I hope the fact that I'm gay isn't the most interesting part of me."

But the National Enquirer may have tipped us off to the story when they reported that during the fight between Washington and Dempsey, Washington yelled, "I'm not your little ****** like (name deleted)."

The Enquirer said they withheld the name of the co-star Washington mentioned "because of the extreme nature of the slur."

Does Knight's disclosure confirm the Enquirer's story?

Calls to Washington's reps were not immediately returned.

http://www.tmz.com/2006/10/19/did-greys-brawl-force-knight-out-of-the-closet/

it's also rumored he's dating the gay brothers boyfriend from the show Brothers & Sisters. cute couple.

[newwaveboy87]

Twins for Melissa Etheridge & Partner
Friday Oct 20, 2006 4:20pm EST
Twins for Melissa Etheridge & Partner | Melissa Etheridge
Etheridge and Michaels in May
CREDIT: JACKSON LEE / ADMEDIA

Melissa Etheridge and her partner Tammy are the new parents of a son and a daughter, PEOPLE has learned.

Their son Miller Steven and their daughter Johnnie Rose were born on Tuesday. Both Tammy and babies are in excellent health, according to their rep.

"The creation of life brings about immeasurable love, and pours hope into the future," the couple said in a statement. "The joy will help carry us through our upcoming sleepless nights."

Etheridge, 45, and Tammy, 31, who has acted on TV's Committed and The L Word, exchanged vows in Malibu in September 2003. Etheridge already has two children from a previous relationship with Julie Cypher: daughter Bailey Jean, 9, and son Beckett, 7.

Bailey Jean and Beckett were conceived via artificial insemination courtesy of friend and rock legend David Crosby

In October 2005, Etheridge told PEOPLE that having more kids was in the works. "I look forward to bringing more children into a loving home and having them there my entire life," she said. "It could heal a lot of things that have happened to me."

Etheridge, diagnosed with breast cancer in 2004, made her post-chemo stage debut at last year's Grammys, where she stopped the show with her rendition of Janis Joplin's "Piece of My Heart."

Crediting Michaels as being instrumental in her successful health battle, Etheridge also told PEOPLE in 2005: "We thought about children before the diagnosis but were sidetracked."

When the couple announced this pregnancy in April, the singer and the actress said in a joint statement on Etheridge's official Web site, "To answer the obvious question: We used an anonymous donor from a bank."

They also said, "These are our first two babies conceived together, but not our first time mothering together. For the past five years, we have been parenting two children from a previous time in Melissa's life. The twins will be a joyful addition to our loving home."

Saying, "We are a blessed family," the two requested "that no gifts be sent. Any gifts we receive we will donate to a local women's shelter. However, well wishes are more than welcome!"

http://celebrity.aol.com/people/ataol/articles/0,26618,1548984,00.html

[newwaveboy87]

NJ court stops short of gay marriage OK

By GEOFF MULVIHILL, Associated Press Writer 54 minutes ago

TRENTON, N.J. - New Jersey's Supreme Court opened the door to gay marriage Wednesday, ruling that homosexuals are entitled to the same rights as heterosexuals, but leaving it to lawmakers to legalize same-sex unions.

The high court gave lawmakers 180 days to rewrite marriage laws to either include same-sex couples or create a new system of civil unions for them.

The ruling is similar to the 1999 decision in Vermont that led to civil unions there, which offer the benefits of marriage, but not the name.

"Although we cannot find that a fundamental right to same-sex marriage exists in this state, the unequal dispensation of rights and benefits to committed same-sex partners can no longer be tolerated under our state Constitution," Justice Barry T. Albin wrote for the 4-3 majority's decision.

Outside the Supreme Court, news of the ruling caused confusion, with many of the roughly 100 gay marriage supporters outside asking each other what it meant. Many started to agree that they needed to push for a state constitutional amendment to institute gay marriage.

Garden State Equality, New Jersey's main gay and lesbian political organization quickly announced Wednesday that three lawmakers would introduce a bill in the Legislature to get full marriage rights to same-sex couples.

Gay couples in New Jersey can already apply for domestic partnerships under a law the Legislature passed in 2004 giving gay couples some benefits of marriage, such as the right to inherit possessions if there is no will and healthcare coverage for state workers.

Democratic Gov. Jon S. Corzine supports domestic partnerships, but not gay marriage.

Supporters pushing for full gay marriage have had a two-year losing streak in state courts including New York, Washington, and in both Nebraska and Georgia, where voter-approved bans on gay marriage were reinstated.

They also have suffered at the ballot boxes in 15 states where constitutions have been amended to ban same-sex unions.

Cases similar to the one ruled on Wednesday, which was filed by seven by gay New Jersey couples, are pending in California, Connecticut, Iowa and Maryland.

"New Jersey is a stepping stone," said Matt Daniels, president of the Virginia-based Alliance for Marriage, a group pushing for an amendment to the federal Constitution to outlaw same-sex marriage. "It's not about New Jersey."

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/gays_and_lesbians

[pheebs]

Not sure if any of this is covered at all, I skipped a few pages, but I did manage to catch the tail end of the "bi" discussion.

I myself identify myself as being bisexual, whether or not people believe it is up to them, but I would say my big draw in the X-men world are the characters who are conflicted. Where do they belong? Everywhere? Nowhere? I'll focus mainly on the Jean Grey/Phoenix duality. The struggle for each of them is to be in control, Jean wants to control the unstable Phoenix (in the movie universe, I am not well versed in the comic storyline), while Phoenix wants nothing more than to control Jean and thereby be free. There are these two sides of her that war against eachother. I find that this character is a very fitting metaphor for someone who is has not learned to deal with or accept their homosexuality.

Some gay people and even bisexual people would argue that to reveal themselves, or to embrace and flaunt their sexuality would be dangerous for them, and those around them. They could be persecuted, threatened, or even killed. In terms of reading sexuality into the movie X-men, I see Jean's struggle with herself as a great metaphor for those who feel conflicted and repressed sexually. Xavier even warns her that she is a danger to herself and those she loves, and pleads with her to let him help. If I am going to continue to read into this, that scene could make a nice parallel to someone trying to help someone "control" their sexuality.

Continuing to read into the movies this way, Jean has been tampered with, altered in her head to block out this other side of her, slowly the other side of her, repressed, begins to show itself more and more violently until it eventually wreaks havoc on those she loves. For those who feel that their families or friends would be hurt or affected by them, they would not want them to see their other side. In this way, Jean represents a feeling that can be identified with easily I am sure by those who are struggling to understand themselves for who they really are. Jean is conflicted, is she an X-man, or is she a member of the Brotherhood? The dichotomy of the Jean/Phoenix character seems to hold a wealth of comparison not just for the uses of this topic and the presentation you're writing, but for anyone who feels conflicted.

This is the english student in me rambling on... take it with a grain of salt,
hope this gives you something to work with on some level!

[newwaveboy87]

Bishops adopt gay outreach guidelines

By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer 40 minutes ago

BALTIMORE - The nation's Roman Catholic bishops adopted new guidelines for gay outreach Tuesday that are meant to be welcoming, while also telling gays to be celibate since the church considers their sexuality "disordered."
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Gay Catholic activists said the approach was so contorted and flawed that it would alienate the very people it was trying to reach.

The statement, "Ministry to Persons with a Homosexual Inclination," was adopted by a 194-37 vote, with one abstention, at a meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

The bishops also overwhelmingly adopted separate statements encouraging Catholics to obey the church's widely ignored ban on artificial contraception, and directing parishioners to examine their consciences to decide if they are worthy of receiving Holy Communion.

Anyone who knowingly persists in sinful behavior, such as gay sex or using artificial birth control, should refrain from taking Communion, the bishops said.

"To be a Catholic is a challenge," said Bishop Arthur Serratelli of Paterson, N.J., chairman of the bishops' doctrine committee. "To be a Catholic requires a certain choice."

Presenting the gay ministry document at the meeting, Serratelli acknowledged that gay and lesbian Catholics "have a difficult task in this world, but this task is necessary and good."

"The tone of the document is positive, pastoral and welcoming," Serratelli said. "Its starting point is the intrinsic human dignity of every person and God's love for every person."

But gay Catholic groups thought the bishops' approach was flat-out wrong.

Francisco DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, an independent outreach to Catholic gays that has run afoul of some church leaders, said the guidelines "do not reflect good science, good theology or human reality."

"This document proposes that lesbian and gay people be viewed not in the entirety of their lives, but in one dimension only — the sexual dimension," DeBernardo said. "No other group in the church is singled out in this way."

The guidelines condemn discrimination against gays and say it's not a sin to be attracted to someone of the same sex — only to act on those feelings.

The bishops also underscore Catholic opposition to gay marriage and adoption by gay and lesbian couples, but also say children of gay Catholics can be baptized if they are being raised in the faith.

Under the guidelines, parishes are instructed to help Catholics avoid "the lifestyle and values of a 'gay subculture.'" Gays also are discouraged from telling anyone about their sexual orientation outside a close circle of friends and supporters in the church.

On the subject of therapy to change same-sex attraction, the bishops said there is no scientific consensus on whether it can succeed. But church leaders say gays are free to seek counseling to help them live a chaste life.

Sam Sinnett, president of DignityUSA, an advocacy group for gay Catholics, said the document is damaging because it recommends that gays "stay emotionally and spiritually in the closet."

Separately, the bishops voted to restructure the conference's Washington headquarters, so American dioceses would send less money to the conference, which would in turn cut jobs and committees.

Bishops have complained for years that the funds they turn over for conference work are badly needed in their home dioceses. The bishops are trying to streamline their agenda, focusing on support for married couples, an increase in the number of candidates for the priesthood and better educating Catholics on church teaching.

The bishops ended their public sessions Tuesday, meeting behind closed doors through Thursday. On Monday, the bishops urged national policymakers to leave behind the campaign season's "shrill and shallow debate" over
Iraq and help end sectarian violence, so that citizens of the war-torn nation can find peace.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061114/ap_on_re_us/catholic_bishops

[newwaveboy87]

wow...Carol Channing is pretty stupid for saying this...

Carol Channing Damages Her Relationship With God, Gays?

Any vaguely sensible star knows that you’ve not truly made it until the drag queens start impersonating you. But Carol Channing, who has earned a coterie of crooning women-who-happen-to-be-men performing as versions of her in their acts, has angered many of her most committed fans by lashing out at the gay community. In a recent interview with The Gay People’s Chronicle Channing was asked about her relationship with her gay fans and reportedly said: “I don’t think about them. They’re terribly loyal to me. But I’m knee-deep in the Bible and you know what it says about that.” That sort of talk is enough to warrant a ***** slap or five, but Channing didn’t stop there. “I don’t think about [gay rights]” she apparently went on to say. “If they can’t take care of their own problems, why should I bother. It’s not my problem.”

Meanwhile, we’re worried about the effect fallout from this will have on Channing’s career. (Former fan Perez Hilton’s comment? “It’s okay. Channing is 85. She’s gonna die soon.”) Even more concerning, though, is Channing’s relationship with God, which may not be as solid as she thinks. When asked if she goes to church every Sunday, Channing replied: “No. I am too busy creating.” Skipping church to produce material enjoyed by cardinal sinners on their way to hell can’t get you right with God, we’re thinking.
-- Elizabeth Goodman
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2006/11/14/carol-channing-damages-her-relationship-with-god-gays/

the actual article:
http://gaypeopleschronicle.com/evenings_out/evenings_out.htm

[Kyalesyin]

Interesting articles... wasn't expecting to see those when I hit the thread.

Have there ever actually been any gay female characters in the X universe? I don't recal coming across any, which is a shame since its another corner left open.

[JustABill]

Karma is a lesbian. Mystique is bisexual. (shut it sebita before you even say it. :p) Destiny was either bisexual or gay. Sunfire from the Exiles was a lesbian as well.

[Kyalesyin]

Dude, I need to engage brain before posting. Please excuse the 8AM post above... Saying that though, how many of them are main characters that get a reasonable amount of space?

[newwaveboy87]

Mystique was in all three movies, the animated...both of them actually, her own comic book series, and is one of the most popular supporting/villians in the main books

:up:

[Kyalesyin]

Aye, she was in all the movies, but there was no backstory there. The backstory in TAS was minimal and with the main books... I'm still catching up on my backreading.

[newwaveboy87]

her back story in the main books is highly substantial, it just takes years and years to read it all. lots of characters in the movies/TAS had minimal backstory, her presence and level of fame sparked spin-off film rumors though :up:

[Kyalesyin]

As I said, I'm still catching up on the backstory in the books. Its taking me a while to plough through years of stuff.

Damn my early morning posting.

[bengan]

ooooooo my first date with a dude MAY be up this saturday :D. Wish me luck. <3

[newwaveboy87]

awwww! :heart:
good luck.

[Specter313]

Jason's all jealous now.

[newwaveboy87]

nope.
i'm happy for him.

i want all the details! :cmad:

[bengan]

thank you :D. I wish I could post a photo of him, hes haaaaawt. But im so nervous that I might cancel it.... its in another city far far away :(

[newwaveboy87]

fear's a *****, but don't let it rule your life. go on the date, have fun, report back.

[bengan]

But You havnt seen this guy. he has the body of a greek good and he has such a good gace. Im just so scared of boring him out of his mind. I mean I have to go there by train and the next train home if 4 h after I arrived. damn life is hard

[newwaveboy87]

all i'm hearing is a lot of low self-esteem. get over it and go. never know unless you try. besides, he did agree to go out with you. so i'm going to assume he knows what you look like.

just be careful.

[cyclonesfury]

so how did the date go??

[Diamondhead]

Homosexuality is only about somebody's behavior and preferences for the same sex, aside from that there's nothing there just plain old people, and that's all
I hate when they are trying to make it go beyond that and
Comparing themselves to Jews, black, and now ...x men
It’s as if somehow they’re trying to make themselves better than the rest.
C’mon now!

[JustABill]

Homosexuality is only about somebody's behavior and preferences for the same sex, aside from that there's nothing there just plain old people, and that's all
I hate when they are trying to make it go beyond that and
Comparing themselves to Jews, black, and now ...x men
It’s as if somehow they’re trying to make themselves better than the rest.
C’mon now!
So do we really make ourselves better by comparing ourselves to the X-Men? The X-Men are part of a repressed community. Same as us. They are feared/hated. Same as us.

Not everyone in the world share's the view point of seeing as normal people that you began your post with. Not everyone is so accepting of us, and that's where the parallels with X-Men come in.

Sure, the X-Men is a great franchise, but it's not really making us better to say we are similar to mutants. Mutants for christ sakes!

[bengan]

so how did the date go??

I didnt go. But that was the greates thing that could have happend. It turned out that he played me with my friends bf. He was such an ass.Ohoho, Im going to go total b*ch on him:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:

[aaron]

Oh, you ga... guys! ;)

[bengan]

Oh, you ga... guys! ;)

ehm, IM bi thank you. That means that I love more women the Madona:whatever:

[aaron]

Ooops, okay... but in general...

Madonna? God I hate her.

[newwaveboy87]

I didnt go. But that was the greates thing that could have happend. It turned out that he played me with my friends bf. He was such an ass.Ohoho, Im going to go total b*ch on him:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:
i kill him for you, yes?

[bengan]

i kill him for you, yes?
nah its ok. If hes a pig he doesn deserve me. I got a few others that want to date me :P

Oh and I just found something. I combines the the heterotworld of the x-men with the gayworld of musicals:D. Doesnt it just make you wanna dance around, wear tights and sew lots and lots of sparkly things? U know the stuff that we do :heart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bTLDqwvFz8
enjoy

[aaron]

Wow.

[bengan]

^haha yea I know. its surreal, isnt it? :D

[aaron]

Mmhmm... something like that.

[newwaveboy87]

nah its ok. If hes a pig he doesn deserve me. I got a few others that want to date me :P

Oh and I just found something. I combines the the heterotworld of the x-men with the gayworld of musicals:D. Doesnt it just make you wanna dance around, wear tights and sew lots and lots of sparkly things? U know the stuff that we do :heart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bTLDqwvFz8
enjoy
HAHA! i love you.
if you weren't jailbait i'd hit it. :o :huh:

[bengan]

HAHA! i love you.
if you weren't jailbait i'd hit it. :o :huh:
Jailbait? whats that? Is it some kind of dirty word that I dont understand? reawr...

[newwaveboy87]

jailbait means you're illegal here in the states. Canada too.

[aaron]

Jailbait does sound dirty, thinking about it.

[newwaveboy87]

jailbait IS dirty. :huh:

[aaron]

It is?

[newwaveboy87]

having sex with a minor? yeah, pretty dirty.
you go to jail for it. hence why it's called jailbait.

[aaron]

Okay... agreed.

[bengan]

jailbait means you're illegal here in the states. Canada too.
I can be your jailbait if you want to..reawr. haha lol :P Vut i cant be it here in sweden, here its legal to have sex when youre 15 and Im 17.

We swedes are such pervs tssss:hyper:

[aaron]

I know a Swedish girl... agreed, you're very pervy.

[bengan]

I know a Swedish girl... agreed, you're very pervy.
haha thanks. How do u know her?:)

[aaron]

We met on a Kings of Leon fansite, hehe.

[bengan]

We met on a Kings of Leon fansite, hehe.
ooo disney yaay :)

BTW:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/MEE/Bild783.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/MEE/DSC00670.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/MEE/SPA50774.jpg
^some pics from my exchangeprogram. Love these people, even if my hair look like armpithair :/

[aaron]

2nd gen ipod?

The kid in the second picture looks like Ron from the Harry Potter movies.

[bengan]

The kid in the second picture looks like Ron from the Harry Potter movies.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA:D Thats a girl. Shes awsome and beuitiful, but in that pic she looks wierd. She called that "the fishface".

[newwaveboy87]

bengan is in e-love with me. :ninja:

[aaron]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA:D Thats a girl. Shes awsome and beuitiful, but in that pic she looks wierd. She called that "the fishface".The redhead?

[Specter313]

We swedes are such pervs tssss:hyper:

Did you just..... hiss at Jason? :confused:

[aaron]

Jealous Spec?

[bengan]

You guys are soooo gay ;) Say something good about the photos, becuse im feeling low :(

Good night

[aaron]

Your hairs nice... you remind me of Jules from The Strokes.

[newwaveboy87]

S. Africa first to legalize gay marriage

By CLARE NULLIS, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 55 minutes ago

CAPE TOWN, South Africa - South Africa on Thursday became the first country in Africa, and only the fifth in the world, to legalize same sex marriages.
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The Civil Union Act goes into effect a day ahead of a Dec. 1 deadline set by the country's Constitutional Court, which required the marriage law be changed to ensure equality for gay and lesbians.

Gay rights groups have welcomed the law, although they criticized provisions allowing clergy and civil marriage officers to turn away gay couples if their consciences prevented them from marrying them.

Some couples began hurrying to make preparations for long-awaited nuptials.

"There will be a huge response from same sex couples who have waited such a long time for their relationship to be recognized," said Melanie Judge, a program manager for the South Africa-based lesbian and gay rights group, OUT.

Janine Pressman, a pastor with the Glorious Light Metropolitan Community Churches in Pretoria said she hoped to marry a couple on Saturday, provided the paperwork could be rushed through.

"We are ready to go," said Jacky Mashapu, a spokesman for the Home Affairs Ministry, where altar-bound couples will need to apply for permission to wed.

South African leaders, determined to bury all forms of discrimination, recognized the rights of gays and lesbians in the constitution drafted after the end of apartheid in 1994.

That constitution, the first in the world to prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, provided a powerful legal tool for gay rights activists, even though South Africa remains conservative on issues of sexuality.

Influential traditional leaders said the legislation violated African cultural norms.

The Roman Catholic Church and Muslim groups denounced it as violating the sanctity of marriage. In the days leading up to the signing of the new law, radio talk shows aired strong opposition to the legislation.

The public reaction, said Judge of OUT, "forced us to confront the deep-seated prejudice and intolerance against gays and lesbians. It's a day-to-day reality ... It's been quite a frightening process to see the level of hatred that has been openly expressed against this minority."

Homosexuality is still largely taboo in Africa. It is illegal in Zimbabwe, Kenya, Uganda, Nigeria, Tanzania, Ghana and most other sub-Saharan countries. Even in South Africa, gays and lesbians are often attacked because of their sexual orientation.

Denmark in 1989 became the first country to legislate same-sex partnerships and several other
European Union members have followed suit. To date, only four other countries — Canada, Belgium, the Netherlands and Spain — allow same-sex marriage.

In the United States, only the state of Massachusetts allows gay marriage. Vermont and Connecticut permit civil unions, California grants similar status through a domestic-partner registration law, and more than a dozen states give gay couples some legal rights.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061130/ap_on_re_af/south_africa_gay_marriages

[imaperson2]

i think you are pretty attractive bengan

[Valechan]

I have sex with guys going from 15 to 19 all the time... there's nothing like a nice fresh cock :p

[newwaveboy87]

i hope you're joking :dry:

[lilboo]

when it comes to sex, girls don't joke

[aaron]

I have sex with guys going from 15 to 19 all the time... there's nothing like a nice fresh cock :p
Ummm... pedophile?

[bengan]

i think you are pretty attractive bengan
Your hairs nice... you remind me of Jules from The Strokes
Awww thanks. You guys are so sweet :D

[aaron]

You told us to be nice... ;)

[newwaveboy87]

Awww thanks. You guys are so sweet :D
:heart:

[imaperson2]

Awww thanks. You guys are so sweet :D
yeah, i like your damn hair. and that shirt in the last picture:woot:

[bengan]

Awww, when I thought u guys couldnt be sweeter:heart: Some photos of u maybe? Ive sen you before Jason, you haaaawtie, but its nice to see new fraces :)

[imaperson2]

damn neighbors throwing their balls.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/imaperson2/me012.jpg
me and the dog...NO PICTURES! haha
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/imaperson2/me011.jpg
me, when i had a big pimple on my nose...:(
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/imaperson2/me001.jpg

[bengan]

^reawr cutie:yay: u stud ;) I love your dog :heart:

(woow lots of smilies there...)

[newwaveboy87]

i'm gonna steal your dog :ninja:

[imaperson2]

^reawr cutie:yay: u stud ;) I love your dog :heart:

(woow lots of smilies there...)
:heart: i think i love you....:huh:

[newwaveboy87]

:whatever:

[imaperson2]

:whatever:
vat?:csad:

[newwaveboy87]

men. always confusing your pistols with your privates.

[imaperson2]

men. always confusing your pistols with your privates.
not at all.

[newwaveboy87]

shut up.
you're in heat not love.

don't make me get a bucket of water.

[imaperson2]

shut up.
you're in heat not love.

don't make me get a bucket of water.
that's actually my dog, and my brother. he's a whore

[newwaveboy87]

TMI :dry:

[imaperson2]

TMI :dry:
:huh:

[bengan]

You guys are soooo gay (snap my fingers and roll my eyes). And thank you for the loving. thats something everybody need:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akE4BnH5kdA

Some more photos folks?

[imaperson2]

You guys are soooo gay (snap my fingers and roll my eyes). And thank you for the loving. thats something everybody need:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akE4BnH5kdA

Some more photos folks?
ME? gay?:cmad: hehe...i have no photos for now...how 'bout you? btw, where do you live?

[bengan]

ME? gay?:cmad: hehe...i have no photos for now...how 'bout you? btw, where do you live?
I was the one to first post a photo...I called you stud...you said that u loved me. Youre memory is really bad, isnt it:whatever: ?

[newwaveboy87]

he also won't admit he's gay. good luck with him.

[imaperson2]

I was the one to first post a photo...I called you stud...you said that u loved me. Youre memory is really bad, isnt it:whatever: ?
i mean, don't you have any MORE? since you did ask for "more photos." My memory isn't at all that bad, but you could say that I get confused VERY easily, ask jason:csad:

[bengan]

Ok this thread need to live again. Whos the hottest gaydude in marvel? i owuld say wiccan. reawr. Hottest girl: jean, Mj or Emma . I cant decide :(

[bengan]

Ok this thread need to live again. Whos the hottest gaydude in marvelworld? i would say wiccan. I mean I love that guy reawr. Hottest girl: jean, Mj or Emma . I cant decide :(

[imaperson2]

bengan! you are back :D

[bengan]

bengan! you are back :D
aaw thanks:yay: . So whos your favourite x-woman?

[Pyrox]

he also won't admit he's gay. good luck with him.
....he took my job :huh:

[newwaveboy87]

....he took my job :huh:
i like him better than you :o

[Pyrox]

well he is gay but won't admit it....I won't admit it because I'm not.
Like I said last time I posted....things happen in a month

[newwaveboy87]

:whatever:

[Pyrox]

:o .

[Specter313]

Just climb on top of each other and get it over with already.

[newwaveboy87]

ewwww :cmad: :csad:

[Pyrox]

Gag me with a spoon :o

[bengan]

aa come on guys. its christmaseve here in sweden. Be nice to eachother. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!! Or God jul as we say in Sweden :cwink:

[newwaveboy87]

i :heart: you bengan

[bengan]

aaaaw thanks Jason :) ,I love your avy:woot:


is it just me or would this video be sooo much better without the animlas?
Marit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLcBPB-PFpQ)

[Arkady Rossovich]

I hate how people can accept homosexuality with the X-Men,i doubt Stan Lee or Chris Claremont really invisioned the X-men like that.Is this some new age views on the X-men?Because personally...i dont like it.

[bengan]

Well, what do you mean? Stan Lee invented the X-men to open kids mind about peoples rights movement(and offcourse make some money for Marvel inc.). You can draw lines to every minority in society.

(And everyone who wants to talk about this, please dont write things like "gays are disgusting little fairies" or "you are so ****ing stupid, Im gonna trow all my Madona albums in your face and then sprinkle it with glitter". Thanks :))

[bengan]

well, this didnt spark up as I thought it would. Well well...

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! I hope you have a great year. Find your love and have a great time with your friends. thats all that matters :)

[ChlorineFriday]

I found something interesting in one of my Christmas preasents that fits rather well here. The following quotes are from the book X-Men: The Characters and Their Universe (http://www.amazon.com/X-Men-Characters-Universe-Michael-Mallory/dp/0883631202) (which is an amazing book everyone should get)

(page 109; in the picture description) Sightless but psychic, Destiny was not only a member of Mystique's brotherhood, she was Mystique's lover.
(page 118) Mystique's romantic life is one of the more interesting ones in the X-Universe. Over the years she has been linked with many men, both mutant and non, but her most lasting and most serious relationship was with Destiny/Irene Adler. Clearly it is not simply within the realm of good-vs.-evil that Mystique has swung both ways.

I say it's interesting because this book is the only official Marvel thing I know of that clearly states Mystique & Destiny were lovers, and I think it's kinda cool for it to just be said in a way pretty much everyone will understand.

[newwaveboy87]

i forgot this thread even existed until i viewed all of my subscribed ones...:dry:

[Generation Lee]

Until we live in the upotian world of Star Trek this things lasting longer than the energiser bunny.

[newwaveboy87]

Gay actors? Public OK but biz still wary
By MELISSA RAYWORTH, For The Associated PressWed Feb 7, 4:10 PM ET

Some high-profile gay actors have exited the closet recently and the fan reaction has been ... almost nonexistent.

A gay man playing a randy heterosexual on TV? The industry still has its problems but viewers are just shrugging.

On the most recent episode of ABC's "Grey's Anatomy," T.R. Knight's character eloped to Las Vegas with his gorgeous girlfriend. One week earlier, after repeated rounds of vigorous sex, he proposed to her in a scene that was romantic, believable — and groundbreaking.

Knight is an openly gay actor — now. He outed himself to People magazine after co-star Isaiah Washington uttered an anti-gay slur on the set of their ABC series last October. Yet nearly all the attention to the controversy has focused on Washington's transgression.

There's been nary a comment about Knight's own love life. Instead, fans are reveling in the sparks flying between his character and Dr. Torres (Sara Ramirez): "I hope she says yes. I really think he loves her!" said a recent posting about the characters' engagement on the show's chat room. "They're such a nice couple!" raved another.

Clearly these are no longer the days when Rock Hudson had no choice but to feign interest in starlets in order to protect his career.

"Things have changed," Ellen DeGeneres, whose coming out a decade ago was a major cultural moment, told Knight last month on her talk show.

Knight isn't alone in having his sexuality greeted with a public yawn. Last November, actor Neil Patrick Harris described himself in a brief statement to People magazine as a "contented gay man." Past "American Idol" finalist R.J. Helton made a similar announcement weeks earlier, and former N'Sync star Lance Bass did the same last August.

Each became barely a blip on the pop-culture radar.

The mellow response to these celebrity self-outings is a far cry from what happened after DeGeneres' "Yep, I'm Gay" announcement on the cover of Time magazine. Back then, some predicted the end of DeGeneres' career. Ten years later, she's anything but unemployed: She's hosting next month's Oscars, currently helming her own Emmy-winning talk show and serving as one of the celeb faces of American Express.

Strangely enough, some gay actors say that while America's comfort level has improved considerably, the entertainment industry hasn't caught up. It may be 2007, they say, but the vibe inside studio casting offices can feel surprisingly like 1957.

These actors say being outed remains a huge threat to a performer's career, particularly for men. An announcement, even a rumor, can eliminate them from the running for straight roles — the roles that make up the vast majority of available work.

"I have friends in the industry — casting directors, for an example — who are gay, who will not cast another person and the reason given is, `Oh, he's too gay,'" says veteran performer Andre de Shields, an openly gay actor who's earned two Tony award nominations. "A lot of this has to do with self-loathing."

Despite its reputation for leading the world down a hedonistic path, "Hollywood is one of the most homophobic places on the planet," de Shields says. "And these are the folks who could make the biggest difference in artists' lives."

Established gay male stars like Rupert Everett face this kind of bias (as Everett laments in his recent autobiography), as do those still making their mark.

"I was told I was `too light' for `Judging Amy,'" says Kevin Fabian, an openly gay actor who has appeared on episodes of "The West Wing," "Will & Grace" and other prime-time shows. "I looked at the casting director and said, `Have you watched your show?'"

That sort of experience leaves gay actors questioning how much progress has really been made.

"From an actor's point of view, I understand why they are scared to death of saying anything for fear of being pigeonholed," says casting director Matt Messinger. "Gay people are cast as straight all the time. But if you're asking if things have improved for openly gay actors, I can't say it's any easier now."

When Knight revealed his sexual orientation last fall, he offered a brief but pointed statement: "I hope the fact that I'm gay isn't the most interesting part of me."

For actor and singer Kye Brackett, the decision to mention his bisexuality to casting directors comes down to exactly Knight's point: Will industry people be so distracted by the fact that he dates men that they won't see him as a performer?

Brackett remembers seeing a billboard for the Tom Cruise film "Born on the Fourth of July" in 1989.

"There was a whole rumor that had begun about Tom Cruise being gay. And I remember driving up the street and seeing his picture and my first thought was, `There's Tom Cruise. He's gay,'" says Brackett. "All these things he actually worked for got immediately overshadowed by a rumor. ... Who would want to deal with that as an actor?"

Because of that bias, Brackett says, agents are unlikely to recommend openly gay clients for straight roles. "They don't want to be the one who says, `This person is gay and that's fine.'"

Despite the risk, some actors feel there's little choice but to deal directly with their sexuality. Fabian says he temporarily hid his sexual preference during acting school. The result, he says: "My acting was terrible. You're constantly putting layer on top of layer."

The current crop of tabloid magazines and nightly entertainment-news shows have brought the decades-old fascination with performers' personal lives to a new level. They love focusing on the subject of who's gay and who isn't, though there appears to be a double standard in their approach.

Actresses may acquire a bit of positive buzz and be "seen as sexy" after rumors of gay romance, says Lillian Faderman, co-author of the book "Gay L.A." But men in the same situation are perceived differently.

"Things have certainly improved for women in Hollywood, but far less so for men," says Faderman. "But it's interesting that the most prominent examples I can give — Ellen DeGeneres, Melissa Etheridge, Lily Tomlin — they don't play romantic leads."

A National Enquirer cover last August trumpeted "Hollywood's Secret `Gay List'" in bold, black letters above photos of various leading men. Inside, they reported the estimated odds of these celebrities coming out.

Network executives, Fabian says, fear negative coverage in the tabloids. And they prefer not to cast openly gay actors in straight roles because they want those tabloids to publicize their stars' social lives positively.

"You go in for a pilot, and you're told the casting director loves you, the producer loves you," says Fabian. "Then you go to network, and you have to sign your 5-year deal first. I think that's where the real discussion is going on: `We really liked him, but ... he's really funny, but ... how can we get him out there with the girls when he's sitting home with his boyfriend every day?"

Knight's case will be an interesting litmus test of whether recent celebrity outings will encourage the industry to change its approach.

Before his announcement, Knight had already developed a fan base. TV viewers have also warmed to Harris' performance as a straight, womanizing character on the CBS sitcom "How I Met Your Mother," now in its second season. Comments posted on imdb.com describe Harris as the best thing about the show.

Should these shows run for several more years and audience support remain strong, Hollywood may have no choice but to continue offering both men the straight romantic roles they play so well.

That could open a door to broader casting options for all actors, something Fabian would welcome. "In the end, I want to work. I want to be successful as an actor," he says. "I want to have vacations and not worry about the credit cards not working."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070207/ap_en_ot/out_actors

[newwaveboy87]

interesting article about how the gay community sucks nowadays. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/08/BAG6RNEKBM1.DTL)

it says a lot of what i've been saying lately. :cmad:

i can't stand gay bars. they make me feel so unpretty and incredibly self concious. nothing will make you feel terrible about your body, looks, sense of style, and skin color then going to a gay bar in West Hollywood.

:csad:

[newwaveboy87]

Jews Support Ordination of Gays
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
February 1, 2007

A study of more than 5,500 leaders in Conservative Judaism found that about two-thirds of the movement’s rabbis, cantors and seminary students in the United States favored the ordination of gay men and lesbians. Support was even higher among educators and lay leaders. The study was commissioned by the Jewish Theological Seminary, based in New York, which is now deciding whether to admit openly gay students. Last December, the movement’s law committee adopted three conflicting legal opinions on the issue, one of which opened the door to ordaining gay people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/us/01brfs-JUDAISM.html?ex=1170997200&en=453bb819bce943fc&ei=5070

i personally like that this one is about Jews and was written by one. ROFLcopter. :oldrazz: :up:

[JP]

interesting article about how the gay community sucks nowadays. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/08/BAG6RNEKBM1.DTL)

it says a lot of what i've been saying lately. :cmad:

i can't stand gay bars. they make me feel so unpretty and incredibly self concious. nothing will make you feel terrible about your body, looks, sense of style, and skin color then going to a gay bar in West Hollywood.

:csad:

:csad::up:


Rupert Everett is gay? Well, I never much cared for him to know about his personal life, anyway.

[newwaveboy87]

Rupert Everett's been out since....since....since i can remember. and anytime he does a big budget studio movie he always plays "fey." he's so damn obvious.

like when people say "You know Sean Hayes is gay."
well.....durh. :dry:

[JP]

Don't care much for Hayes either.

[cookiva]

wow...still open....

[Britannia]

I have a friend called John who is gay....he likes x-men because it has the word men in it, and ses that colossas look purty....i think its wierd and dont feel comfortable with him so i killed him...i killed him dead...with like a stone or something like like a rock u know like bashed him over the head with like a rock or something. Na am only kiddin i got nothing against them.....they are like you said disscrimunated survearly.

[imaperson2]

woah...mr. peter petrelli himself is on nixon ads now. :D

[psakura13]

I was wondering if anyone knew of discussions or opinions regarding the characters from "The Authority". I am doing a paper on Homosexuals in comic books

[imaperson2]

where is mr. bengan?!?! :(

[bengan]

Im here :) Stil with the cutest lips ever and ofcourse my wierd love for family guy. What happening queers? is anyone still in love with Anole?

[bengan]

whoops double post...sorry guys

[imaperson2]

what is anole? I'm actually falling for a girl right now :D

[bengan]

Anole is the lizardboy in Nxm:whatever: tss

oo that cool :) I hope youll get her

[imaperson2]

so far, it looks good :D But I still want you bengan :p

[bengan]

yea. You go girl. Im also datinga girl now. I wish that I could post a photo, but I cant. Shes hot though ::D

[imaperson2]

Why is it that you can't? I could but i'd rather not....for her safety. HAHA

[bengan]

mohohoho you go girl!

[bengan]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/ultimates13pyrate-dcp18.jpg
Glad we worked that out.

[Spider-Bat]

There is no connection, get over it.

[JP]

Get over what exactly?

[Logan's Runt]

There is no connection, get over it.

Well I'm convinced. Glad someone cleared that up.

[littyx]

Hey guys! I can't believe that this thread I created sooo long ago is still open!!

I'm doing so well guys, I've been with my boyfriend for a year and a half now. It's amazing. Our families love us, they love eachother, it's so good to have a "regular" relationship. Glad you guys are keeping this thread alive, and also, thanks to the people like spider-bat for mesmerizing us with your stupidity. Stay out of trouble everyone!

[JP]

That's awesome. Congrats :)

[newwaveboy87]

this place is still around? :huh:

[Valechan]

There are gay people in this forum??? Still?? By the Goddess!!

[JustABill]

There is no connection, get over it.
Yes. There is magically no connection between X-Men and Homosexuals when Stan the Man himself has said that the X-Men represent any group that may fear hatred or finger pointing upon them.

Saying you can't connect homosexuals to the message of the X-Men is like saying Spider-Man isn't the ultimate nerd fantasy. Superpowers and married to a smoking hot model/actress.

[Valechan]

Ultimate STRAIGHT nerd fantasy.

Ultimate Gay nerd fantasy would be to married to Thor :p

[newwaveboy87]

pssh...maybe for you. :o

my ultimate nerd fantasy is to be married to Anakin.

[MaskedManJRK]

Yes. There is magically no connection between X-Men and Homosexuals when Stan the Man himself has said that the X-Men represent any group that may fear hatred or finger pointing upon them.

Saying you can't connect homosexuals to the message of the X-Men is like saying Spider-Man isn't the ultimate nerd fantasy. Superpowers and married to a smoking hot model/actress.

Yeah, I wouldn't go as far as say it's a straight connection (no pun intended). I think he said that the X-Men can relate to just about anybody of who feels different from everyone else, and are persecuted for it. That goes for the GLBT community, to blacks, whites, hispanics, heck, even nerds.

Ultimate STRAIGHT nerd fantasy.

Ultimate Gay nerd fantasy would be to married to Thor :p

I wouldn't. Thor sometimes reminds me too much of Fabio. That kinda creeps me out. :csad:

[newwaveboy87]

Yeah, I wouldn't go as far as say it's a straight connection (no pun intended). I think he said that the X-Men can relate to just about anybody of who feels different from everyone else, and are persecuted for it. That goes for the GLBT community, to blacks, whites, hispanics, heck, even nerds.

no one's claimed it to be the ONLY connection. but, yes, there's a connection to any/all oppressed minorities.

[JP]

I'd marry Peter Parker. :o

[JustABill]

I'd marry Peter Parker. :o
Just not Tobey Peter Parker. Eww. Ug.

[MaskedManJRK]

no one's claimed it to be the ONLY connection. but, yes, there's a connection to any/all oppressed minorities.

I know, I just wanted to fully flesh out my opinion. :yay:

[newwaveboy87]

Just not Tobey Peter Parker. Eww. Ug.
i think Tobey is cute :o
I know, I just wanted to fully flesh out my opinion. :yay:
cool :up:

[littyx]

Yeah, I wouldn't go as far as say it's a straight connection (no pun intended). I think he said that the X-Men can relate to just about anybody of who feels different from everyone else, and are persecuted for it. That goes for the GLBT community, to blacks, whites, hispanics, heck, even nerds.

Sorry buddy. Most articles that compare X-Men to an oppressed minority, compare it to homosexuals. It's the most parallel. It's about a minority that come about during puberty, we are able to hide it if we want. People ask ridiculous requests of us ("Have you tried not being gay?"). People have opened recruitment centers to "cure" us of our "disease". Does any of this ring a bell?

I don't remember the last time black people hid their ethnicity. Or Hispanic's tried to cure themselves of being Latino.

Is it the only connection? No. Is it the most easily accessible? Yes.

One of the main reasons Bryan Singer agreed to do X1 & 2 was because of the similarities he saw.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I hate the fact that new writers can even imagine putting these characters into homosexual situations.I think its wrong,even if society is to blame.

[JustABill]

o_o

[MaskedManJRK]

Sorry buddy. Most articles that compare X-Men to an oppressed minority, compare it to homosexuals. It's the most parallel. It's about a minority that come about during puberty, we are able to hide it if we want. People ask ridiculous requests of us ("Have you tried not being gay?"). People have opened recruitment centers to "cure" us of our "disease". Does any of this ring a bell?

I don't remember the last time black people hid their ethnicity. Or Hispanic's tried to cure themselves of being Latino.

Is it the only connection? No. Is it the most easily accessible? Yes.

One of the main reasons Bryan Singer agreed to do X1 & 2 was because of the similarities he saw.

True. I think the actual Civil Rights Movement of the 60s has the biggest parallel in that Xavier and Magneto are representatives of the two biggest leaders of that time, Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, respectively.

[JP]

I hate the fact that new writers can even imagine putting these characters into homosexual situations.I think its wrong,even if society is to blame.

Typo? I hope.

[bengan]

Homosexual situations? When was the last time we saw Cable dancing around in a pink tubetop, sprinkling glitter and destroying families in the south?

The last time I did notice that a writer put them in a homosexual situation is in the movies, where Bryan Singer used the terms of comming out etc. Well that and Magnetos perfectly shaped buns.

[JP]

Bump.. uh. What are you talking about?

[X-Maniac]

:csad::up:


Rupert Everett is gay? Well, I never much cared for him to know about his personal life, anyway.

Oh yes, Rupert is gay. I've seen him in London bars flashing his 'muscle mary' torso! :o

And he has a fantastic autobiography that's very well written and a great read. A very intelligent and witty person. :cwink:

[ChaoticPsylocke]

i have been looking for this thread forever! but i couldnt remember the exact name to pull it up.

[xmenfilesfan05]

I know this thread has been dead for nearly a year, but it's a wonderful one and I thought that I'd share this video, for those people who enjoyed this thread as much as myself.

The video was created as a metaphor, comparing of the lives of the X-Men and the lives of gay people, specifically pertaining to the negative aspects of living in a society where negative feelings exist in the majority.

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[mightiest_mortal]

Sorry buddy. Most articles that compare X-Men to an oppressed minority, compare it to homosexuals. It's the most parallel. It's about a minority that come about during puberty, we are able to hide it if we want. People ask ridiculous requests of us ("Have you tried not being gay?"). People have opened recruitment centers to "cure" us of our "disease". Does any of this ring a bell?

I don't remember the last time black people hid their ethnicity. Or Hispanic's tried to cure themselves of being Latino.

Is it the only connection? No. Is it the most easily accessible? Yes.

One of the main reasons Bryan Singer agreed to do X1 & 2 was because of the similarities he saw.

I know its an old post but I just need to disagree with this post (as someone has resurrected the thread anyway). X-Men is a paralel with anyone who feels different and who has been persecuted because of it. This is key to its success. Sure a strong paralel with homosexuality is often made but there is often a strong paralel with other minotiries too.

As MaskedManJRK said, the link between the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s are very evident, as are the recurring stories set with mutant death camps and mutant hate groups and people hunting and killing mutants. These are all relevant for a lot of minorities. Its mentioned that other minorities can't hide their ethnicity as an example to dismiss other metaphors but this is ignoring a large number of mutants who have physically manifested mutations that they can't hide either.

The minority/minorites being parallelled changes writer to writer and I think claiming that any one paralel is the best one is or is the "most easily accessible" is being very dismissive (and frankly quite arrogant).

(...though IMO I think the paralels have been added by later writers. I think from the outset Stan the Man created mutants, more as means to be able to create superheroes without having to bother thinking of origin stories each time)