The official All-Star Superman thread

[Ultimate_Superman]

Since the book comes out today here is where we can talk about it. I just pray to god it will not be like AS B&R.

[newmexneon]

I have been waiting for so long it seems like and now I finally get to pick the book up. Hopefully my shop will hold onto one of the limited edition variant covers for me.

http://www.dccomics.com/news/images/assm_1_v1_400x600.jpg

[Ultimate_Superman]

This is a great issue. I love it. This is how All-Star B&R should have been. I love his Clark as well. I would have gotten the variant cover but it is 10.00 so I have that on hold till next week. But I love this issue pick of the week.

[Ultimate_Superman]

So who else got this issue and what do you guys think?

[The Joker™]

Got it loved it, but I loved All-Star B&R. :p

I loved the return of clumsy Clark again.

I picked up both covers.

The varient is just so awsome looking I had to spend the 10 bucks for it.

How much was it at your guys shops?

[The Batman]

Not only did this comic own AS Bats, but it owns post crisis superman.

cant wait till issue 2

[newmexneon]

This issue was freakin awesome, man you guys got lucky I had to spend 20 bucks to get the variant cover. I loved the part where they were measuring his strength and it said he was holding 200 trillion tons and wasn't even reaching his limit. Clark was great too especially the "working on my sun-tan chief".

[drastic_quench]

Good first issue. For as fast and loose as All-Star Bats is, this one's playing it pretty safe.

There was no way in hell I was shelling out $10 for a variant cover. That's just me.

[The Joker™]

Really the only thing I didn't like was how they skipped the orign and they revealed him to Lois way to soon.

[newmexneon]

Well he is about to die so I think Clark would consider telling Lois pretty damn important.

[drastic_quench]

Really the only thing I didn't like was how they skipped the orign and they revealed him to Lois way to soon.

That origin PAGE was awesome. I mean, it's Superman, after Jesus he's got the most well known origin in history. [monty python]GET ON WITH IT![/monty python]

[MaskedManJRK]

Could someone post some pics? I'm interested to see the page where he reveals himself to Lois. :D

[Motown Marvel]

awesome issue. got both covers....neal adams owns!

[Pksoze]

Good issue, still I hope we can get to know Superman better.

He seemed very casual about the Sun incident though.

Post Crisis Superman would probably sulk for 6 issues though.

[Oldguy]

Best Superman story I've read in years. :) :up: . Silver age sensibilities with mature characterizations rather than the CCA drivel, goddamn I cannot wait till #2.

[The Sage]

Best Superman story I've read in years. :) :up: . Silver age sensibilities with mature characterizations rather than the CCA drivel, goddamn I cannot wait till #2.

Heck yes man. That's how a Superman story should be. I liked Quitely's art too, and I didn't think I would.

Clark Kent is dead on from what we've seen. Lex, Perry, Lois, and Steve Lombard:eek:

Superman looked great.

[gildea]

Well I hate to be the voice of disent ....

No wait i'm not this was the best interpretation of superman i've read in years (even though i did enjoy birthrigh and some elseworlds stuff).

Really i cannot scream out how much i enjoyed this.

[The Sage]

One of the best origin tellings right here folks. :up:

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/1473/scan00020st.jpg

[GyLocke]

I just love how wierd Morissons mindset is. The Bizarro drones, the whole moon station were awsome. I can't understand how can people hate this guy.

Can't wait for issue 2.

[Agentdemon]

Oh man this has been my favorite read since Superman: secret Identity, Quitely's art is different but great nontheless and seeing elements that john byrne introduced in't too shabby either.

[The Batman]

One of the best origin tellings right here folks. :up:

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/1473/scan00020st.jpg


Yes. Straight to the freaking point. If only the movie could do this as well, and half the guys on the SR forum can finally shut up....

[Assassin]

it was okay...not better than All star batman and robin though, there equally the same for me.

i hate how he draws faces..lois is the only one that looked good.

[Torchd]

I read here http://theages.superman.ws/History/all-star/ (right above the clark-to-supes pic) that he wasn't going to have the red trunks did he?

[Assassin]

they were more like boxers..but yea he did have em

[TheCorpulent1]

it was okay...not better than All star batman and robin though, there equally the same for me.

i hate how he draws faces..lois is the only one that looked good.
I sometimes wonder if it's even possible for Quitely to draw a female face without squinty eyes. I love Quitely's storytelling ability, but sometimes it's a bit distracting.

[The Sage]

It's too bad we can't switch Quitely for Lee.

[Assassin]

finally some one that thinks smart

[Not Jake]

more like Lee blows and i can't stand seeing him on comics every month:down

[Not Jake]

that's not true, he doesn't blow, but i get sick of his art after awhile.

[The Sage]

finally some one that thinks smart

The issue still frog splashes All-Star Batman & Robin.:up:

[KingOfDreams]

I think this is shaping up to be a great series. I might be in for the long haul, which is rare for me as far as DC is concerned. And normally I hate Quitely's art but it fits this story and these characters well I think. Certainly much better than his New X-Men work.

[gildea]

It's too bad we can't switch Quitely for Lee.


quitely is ten times the artist lee is (of course my criteria is realism and story telling).

[Brian Braddock]

quitely is ten times the artist lee is (of course my criteria is realism and story telling).

Damn straight! - Lee (while tecnically gifted) is all razzle dazzle and his men and women all look generic (still encapsulates the things that made my blood boil about Image comics - about 25 splash pages per issue - sometimes it literally is like its all about the image as opposed to the story) - Quietly on the other handis a decent storyteller who is able to enfuse a great deal of character into the ,erm, characters that he illustrates as well as being able to deliver the money shots that comics require.

Just my opinion.

Havent read the issue yet but deffo looking forward to it.

[Dr.Fear]

gawd the art just sucks bad in this book. i cant stand it. storywise it was just plain weird. eventogh all star bats is on a rocky path i rather much read that and stare at the pretty pictures.

[Dr.Fear]

quitely is ten times the artist lee is (of course my criteria is realism and story telling).

theres no realism in his ART!!! wtf are you looking at!!!!????? alex ross relaism, greg land realism, the **** he draws is funked up high looking people.

hpow the **** is this realismhttp://www.sufferingsappho.com/wrap/wall/quitely_jla_wall.jpg

[KingOfDreams]

storywise it was just plain weird

That's why I like it, personally.

[Assassin]

The issue still frog splashes All-Star Batman & Robin.:up:


Wrong, That last page where he says on your feet solder f-5'd A.S.S:up:

I like Lee's art better.

more like Lee blows and i can't stand seeing him on comics every month

It would be every other month, so you'll be okay :O

[drastic_quench]

That pose of Superman testing his strength was awesome. It looked like it had to be referenced of off an old early 1900s strongman pose. That fits Supes perfectly.

Anyone have the scan of that?

[Beastbone]

Well, anyone who follows Morrison like I do will certainly love this. Likewise, anyone who loves Morrison will love the artwork. Quietly is to Morrison what Johnny Depp is to Tim Burton. (Not trying to start a debate as to the quality of "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory") Depp just captures all of the quirky weirdness of Burton's style perfectly acting wise. I think that holds for Quietly as well.

I'm dying to see how this story pans out.

BB

[kame-sennin]

Damn straight! - Lee (while tecnically gifted) is all razzle dazzle and his men and women all look generic (still encapsulates the things that made my blood boil about Image comics - about 25 splash pages per issue - sometimes it literally is like its all about the image as opposed to the story) - Quietly on the other handis a decent storyteller who is able to enfuse a great deal of character into the ,erm, characters that he illustrates as well as being able to deliver the money shots that comics require.

Just my opinion.

Havent read the issue yet but deffo looking forward to it.

You know, I used to HATE Quitley's art, but the more I look at it, the more I realise how skilled he is at story telling. It's true that his faces are ugly, and they could use more variation (*thinks about Lee's faces, laughs*), but overall I think his artistic abilities are pretty on point. Jim Lee on the other hand... draws pretty girls.

Anyway, I'm glad people seem to be open minded enough to try the book even if they are hesitant about the artwork.

[Punch]

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[Punch]

I didn't like the digital inks at all. I like FQ's work better than Lee's, it's just more interesting to look at, even though some of FQ's faces make me wonder how he thought they were acceptable.

Morrison's writing is pretty good. It's still too early to judge it. I thought the story started way too abruptly though, with no explanation as to who the weird rainbow guy was. And as with most of Morrison's work, some of the dialogue just wen CLUNK.

All and all it was a good issue.

[The Joker™]

I heard people saying it was pretty bland for All-Star Superman and it should have just been put out as a Superman arc.

[Varient]

Since the book comes out today here is where we can talk about it. I just pray to good it will not be like AS B&R.
-Interesting that in THIS Universe Superman cannot safely "Sundip"-
Also find it interesting that he "HAD" to tell Lois what he does,.. and Luthor gets away with it "once again."

I give it ten issues to sell me,.. DC has been good overall for the last three years.

[The Leaguer]

While I read this issue, I kept having to remind myself that this wasn't regular Superman, and I was able to really enjoy it. I expected nothing less than gold from Morrison, and he delievered, but there were a lot of parts that I would really have hated if this was in-continuity, like his new powers. Overall, it was great, and infinitely better than All-Star Bats.

[drastic_quench]

Yeah, I hated when he killed all those cops.

[SpideyInATree]

I enjoyed it. If they write Superman like this in his regular titles then I may have to start reading Superman again. Otherwise, I'll be sticking with this title to see where it goes. :up:

:supes:

[TheCorpulent1]

I enjoyed it. If they write Superman like this in his regular titles then I may have to start reading Superman again. Otherwise, I'll be sticking with this title to see where it goes. :up:

:supes:
How about we just leave the regular titles to the people who like the regular Superman? That way, everyone has their Superman comic and everyone's happy.

[gildea]

theres no realism in his ART!!! wtf are you looking at!!!!????? alex ross relaism, greg land realism, the **** he draws is funked up high looking people.

hpow the **** is this realismhttp://www.sufferingsappho.com/wrap/wall/quitely_jla_wall.jpg



The anatomy (though exagerated) is correct. The drapery is very well done (something most comic book artists ignore), the characters all seem to have 'weight'. Quitely also appreciates that male characters have lips also and all characters have eyelids which aren't always full open.

so my question to you is how the **** is that not realism??

[Assassin]

BTW..whats with the willy wonka with the amazing technicolor rain coat? Did he steal it from donnie osmond? Is he the All-star version of Dr emil (damn cant remember his name)

whats with that weird thing with the things coming out of the back??

[drastic_quench]

Has Superman's Pal always had a jet pack and helmet?

[Dr.Fear]

The anatomy (though exagerated) is correct. The drapery is very well done (something most comic book artists ignore), the characters all seem to have 'weight'. Quitely also appreciates that male characters have lips also and all characters have eyelids which aren't always full open.

so my question to you is how the **** is that not realism??


and jim lee's, alex ross's and greg land's have no lips, or eye lashes. nice excuse

yes his anatomy IS exagerated thanks for proving my point ms.realism


anyways after reading this book for the third time, the story has appealed to me a great deal, but the art is IMO horrid and i rather much see romita's art work on this.

[Dr.Fear]

Yeah, I hated when he killed all those cops.

or else they were gonna kill dick, yeah bats really did a bad thing:rolleyes: plus he really didnt killthem, they just got in the way of his car.lol:)

[The Joker™]

I think they just should have gotten a better colorist on the project.

The story is good, but the art just falls flat at some points.

[The Joker™]

or else they were gonna kill the dick, yeah bats really did a bad thing:rolleyes: plus he really didnt killthem, they just got in the way of his car.lol:)


At the end Batman seemed upset after Robin said something about wasting them.

I don't know, I'm a fan of Wolverine, Kill Bill and that kind of stuff thats why I didn't have a problem with it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm as much a fan of death and destruction as the next guy, but not where Batman is concerned. The importance of life has been a cornerstone of Batman's character for decades now, and I've always liked that about him. A creature of the night who uses terror as his primary weapon, but refuses to kill. Good stuff.

[Dr.Fear]

yeah well his quota needs to chnage. he should be like jason todd, and kill of all his villains.............ok not kill but torture.

[gildea]

and jim lee's, alex ross's and greg land's have no lips, or eye lashes. nice excuse

yes his anatomy IS exagerated thanks for proving my point ms.realism


anyways after reading this book for the third time, the story has appealed to me a great deal, but the art is IMO horrid and i rather much see romita's art work on this.

excuse? It was a reason child.

I wouldn't compare him to alex ross as his is painted and modelled, or greg land who just digitally alters photos of people. But jim lee hell yeah he'll only ever draw a lip if its in shadow and eyelids on a man if their closed.

[TheCorpulent1]

yeah well his quota needs to chnage. he should be like jason todd, and kill of all his villains.............ok not kill but torture. Well, now you've got All-Star Batman to fill that need. Personally, I'm content with the regular ol' Batman in the mainstream comics. Everyone's happy.

[The Joker™]

Yeah I love mainstream Bats too and now All-Star Bats.

It was a cornerstone for mainstream Bats to not kill, not All-Star Bats.

Just like Rogue in Uncanny X-Men never killed off Gambit, but Ultimate Rogue did.

I think its good that there going to tell a diffrent story with All-Star Bats like how they do with the Ultimate Universe.

Now back to All-star Superman I just reread it and the 2nd time hit me harder then the 1st.

At first I didnt like the art to much, but now I'm left thinking WTF did I think that for.

Its great and the story was better to 2nd time round.

So I know its probably not going to happen, but does anyboy think he really will die and the real All-Star Superman is a clone of him.

How many people think hes going to battle that huge blue monster thing?

I think hes going to.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think its good that there going to tell a diffrent story with All-Star Bats like how they do with the Ultimate Universe. That's kind of funny because some people around the boards are still arguing their heads off that All-Star and Ultimate are two totally different concepts. :o

[The Joker™]

They just hate to admit it. ;)

[drastic_quench]

or else they were gonna kill dick, yeah bats really did a bad thing:rolleyes: plus he really didnt killthem, they just got in the way of his car.lol:)

I was attempting to be sarcastic. I have failed.

[The Joker™]

You should have through up one of these then.:rolleyes:

[FEAR THE BAT]

My POV of All Star Supes is this.

-The story is very intriguing, I'm hooked.
-The art is good and great at times. Quitely has his moments were Supes looks kinda weird and then were he's awesome, but its mostly just in the face. The consistency of Supes face is a tad off but its forgivable IMO. His Clark is fantastic, the whole bumbling scene was hilarious and it reminded me so much of Reeve in the movie. Not appearance wise but character wise. Its as if I heard Reeve's voice during tha Clark scenes.
-I for one liked the coloring. It wasn't overbearing like some comics can be. Some would think its bland for the most part, but I think its suits it well.

All Star Supes, so good so far.

[TheCorpulent1]

His Clark is fantastic, the whole bumbling scene was hilarious and it reminded me so much of Reeve in the movie. Not appearance wise but character wise. Its as if I heard Reeve's voice during tha Clark scenes.
You like the goofy, half-retarded Clark? That was always the one thing I really, genuinely hated about the movies.

[souloffire]

Kinda bland for a first issue. Wasn't impressed.

[The Leaguer]

I really didn't like the bumbling Clark thing. Although I see what Morrison was trying to do, it seemed unnecessary.

[ShadowGhost12]

When I heard Morrison and Quietly were going to be doing a book together again, I was instantly interested. After picking up and reading All-Star Supes #1 yesterday, I was pretty impressed. I loved how they recapped the origin in 1 page, with only a few words yet you still know everything you need about his coming (not that there would be anyone reading who didn't know Superman's origin, it's just a nice touch). Also, I think the Lex dialogue scenes were some of the best handled I've seen in a while.

At first, I was against adding more powers to Superman's arsenal, but even I began to not mind, and I don't think introducing any new abilities will hinder the book.

Overall, I'm looking forward to issue #2 and this has been added to my monthly reading list.

[Antonello Blueberry]

That's kind of funny because some people around the boards are still arguing their heads off that All-Star and Ultimate are two totally different concepts. :o
Is there anything in the story that contradicts the regular continuity?
If not, it's a different concept from Ultimate.

[The Leaguer]

There is. I don't think Lex being publically outted as a criminal mastermind was ever done post-Crisis before Public Enemies, and I don't think Superman has been shown to lift 200 quintillion tons one-handed, either. And then there's the whole solar radiation poisoning being the reason he reveals himself to Lois thing.

It's Ultimate.

[gildea]

Its not really an ultimate its a classical elseworlds.

Where as ultimate is a completely new continuity this is a twelve issue self contained project and not a continuity.

[The Leaguer]

It's Ultimate. A newer take on a classic character, trying to play on the general public's perception of Superman.

[fatmatt83]

I read it yesterday and I have to say this was a brilliant first issue Grant Morrisson is off to a flying start, his Superman is everything that you want, well Superman to be, and Frank Quietly's art was great, Every time I see his work it gets better and better his work on WE3 was my favorite so far but I think this may even top that, and on a related note, I'm going to sound like such a geek here but I honestly thought Frank's Lois Lane was the sexiest I've seen since Jim Lee's.

[BrianWilly]

Copying and pasting from the Bought/Thought thread:

All-Star Superman #1
Ah, Grant Morrison. What would I do without you? Possibly the exact same things that I've always done that didn't involve reading comics written by you, but still. After the suck that was Miller's AS Batman, I feared a bit for this title...but it was an irrational fear borne of lunacy, 'cause now that I've read it I can't imagine what I was afraid of. Well, actually I can ("Are you dense? Are you retarded or something? I'm the GODDAMN SUPERMAN.") but in retrospect I can see it for the lunacy that it was.

I seriously love how creative this book is...and it's not the glaring big creativeness that sometimes writers will shove at us, it's the little things. Clones born with zero fear genes, Jimmy's superwatch, Luthor's signal taking nine minutes to reach the sun, Superman's bioelectric field, all the other crazy science, Clark Kent pretending to bump into a man so that he wouldn't walk into falling wreckage...little, almost offhanded things that are slipped in to enrich the storytelling. Morrison got himself a rep, and also a rap, but I don't understand how people can read his work and not see it for the innovation that it is.

I'm really glad Supes decided to out himself to Lois at the end of the issue. As much as I'm willing to tolerate classic retellings of a character so long as it's done well by a competent writer, I wasn't exactly looking forward to issues after issues of secret identity shenanigans between Lois and Clark. Some silver age things really are best left undisturbed.

Frank Quitely's art is and always has been hit-or-miss...more miss than hit, it really has to be said...but it's not so bad if you prepare yourself for it and understand what he's going for. And he's worked with Morrison so much now that it's really a near-perfect symbiosis of tone and storytelling.

I'm still not very enthusiastic about the prospect of the All-Star line...I'd really prefer that comic companies keep their talent on the mainstream canonical stories...but Morrison has shown me that it can be done right.

(10 out of 10)

[Assassin]

BTW..whats with the willy wonka with the amazing technicolor rain coat? Did he steal it from donnie osmond? Is he the All-star version of Dr emil hamilton? whats with that weird thing with the things coming out of the back??


some one anwser my questions!

[TheCorpulent1]

There is. I don't think Lex being publically outted as a criminal mastermind was ever done post-Crisis before Public Enemies, and I don't think Superman has been shown to lift 200 quintillion tons one-handed, either. And then there's the whole solar radiation poisoning being the reason he reveals himself to Lois thing.

It's Ultimate.
I don't think Superman was ever able to extend his biological force-field web thing like he did in the issue, either. That was the thing that struck me as weirdest.

[The Leaguer]

And then there was the whole weird, blue energy from his eyes.

[MaskedManJRK]

And then there was the whole weird, blue energy from his eyes.

*note: I haven't read the book and I'm just pulling this right out of my ass, call it hindsight*

Well, heat/fire doesn't just come out in one color, there is blue fire, it's mostly the inner cone, where there is the most heat. Perhaps Superman was creating an even hotter heat vision?

[The Leaguer]

No, the energy didn't burn anything, it just pushed a guy away. And it wasn't the same color as his bio-field, so I'm pretty sure that wasn't it, either.

[MaskedManJRK]

No, the energy didn't burn anything, it just pushed a guy away. And it wasn't the same color as his bio-field, so I'm pretty sure that wasn't it, either.

Huh. Well, like I said, I haven't read it yet, so I'm fresh out of ideas. I think Morrison is a good enough writer that if he didn't explain it somewhere in the text or Quitely didn't have something in the art, then it'll be mentioned next issue.

[kame-sennin]

You like the goofy, half-retarded Clark? That was always the one thing I really, genuinely hated about the movies.

It's the only way I can buy the whole secret identity thing.

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/5738/129640639xw.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

Not only did this comic own AS Bats, but it owns post crisis superman.

cant wait till issue 2I agree with everthing you just said

This comic brought respect back to Superman.

[Torchd]

What are the new powers they gave him???

[drastic_quench]

Boxer shorts.

[The Joker™]

Its not really an ultimate its a classical elseworlds.

Where as ultimate is a completely new continuity this is a twelve issue self contained project and not a continuity.

I didn't see no.1 of 12 on it.


Its Ultimate:o

[FEAR THE BAT]

He's got, at the very very least, triple the strength he had. Plus he's able to extend bio-field to protect others. He shot out light blueish "rays" from his eyes similar to heat vision only it just propelled the villain away, it didn't decimate him.

Thats pretty much what I remember. But I'm sure we'll see more through the series.

[Torchd]

So are the blue lasers like cyclops beam just concussive?

[FEAR THE BAT]

Sorta, but its two beams and not one combined like Cyke's.

You should get this book. :up:

[Torchd]

I am I just don't have access to a shop only get to go every other week or so. But hopefully my new shop will start actually getting comics I haven't been there yet but I called the and they said they would have a ton of comics but not till dec. and I have to get the Axm. Vol. 2.

[FEAR THE BAT]

Astonishing X-Men Vol 2???

You interested in any Astonishing X-Men comics?? I have pretty much a full run. The only variant I have is the Del'Otto #1.

[Torchd]

Yeah I only read astonishing and Ult in the x men comics but I doubt it'd be hard to find.

[FEAR THE BAT]

Well, I was just offering the single issues to you since I'm gonna either sell or trade them. I usually rotate through the comics I don't plan on keeping like that. If you might want the Astonishing X-Men issues just lemme know.

[Torchd]

Ok but why don't you keep them they could be worth something......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ................someday......

[FEAR THE BAT]

I'm not into comics for that. I read what I like, then if I don't wanna keep it I get rid of it.

But I'm not stupid, I'm not about to just give them away. I know what has value and what doesn't.

[Torchd]

Same with me.

[The Leaguer]

So are the blue lasers like cyclops beam just concussive?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/TheLeaguer/Stuff/NewPower.jpg

[Torchd]

Wow I wonder what that's gonna be about?

[FEAR THE BAT]

Hmm, for some reason I thought it was two beams that combined into one at the impact, not halfway to impact. Well, I was slightly wrong.

[The Joker™]

Looks like there coming out of his hands too

Like he did a Ryu fireball plus his vison thing.

I noticed that when I read it, didn't remember till now.

[FEAR THE BAT]

Hmm, it does look like that huh?

[X]

Just, just read it. Loved it.

Then again, Morrison's one of my gods. Looking forward to the second one.

Oh, loved the Bradbury mention as well. One of if not my favorite author ever. Kudos, Mr. Morrison.

[BrianWilly]

Hmm...for some reason, I thought that the blueish blast was his arctic breath. If it's not that, I think the next-best answer would be the bioelectricity, 'cause it kinda just looks like electricity.

[Brian Braddock]

It's the only way I can buy the whole secret identity thing.

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/5738/129640639xw.jpg

My feelings exactly - i've never really subscribed to the idea of Clark not being a doofus - the whole point of it is saying "yeah, this guy does have the same height and build as Superman - as well as the exact same face! (exept that he's wearing glasses) but look at the way he's just tripped over his own foot! That guy cant be Superman!".
Some fans seem to want the best of both worlds -a cool Superman and a cool Clark. When you actually look at it - it's either one or the other. If you make Clark too 'hip'- his secret identity becomes transparent. imo.

[Brian Braddock]

yeah well his quota needs to chnage. he should be like jason todd, and kill of all his villains.............ok not kill but torture.


Dr.Fear.............you didnt used to go by the name SpiderFreddie did you? The above quote is very 'Freddiesque'.

[Punch]

The bio-e could be coming from his hands. That's where it seems to be coming from when he's protecting the ship.

[The Sage]

My feelings exactly - i've never really subscribed to the idea of Clark not being a doofus - the whole point of it is saying "yeah, this guy does have the same height and build as Superman - as well as the exact same face! (exept that he's wearing glasses) but look at the way he's just tripped over his own foot! That guy cant be Superman!".
Some fans seem to want the best of both worlds -a cool Superman and a cool Clark. When you actually look at it - it's either one or the other. If you make Clark too 'hip'- his secret identity becomes transparent. imo.

I agree 100%.

[Ultimate_Superman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/TheLeaguer/Stuff/NewPower.jpgThis part kind of reminded me of Superman-Blue. Which would be cool if in latter issues they did do the whole Superman Blue story arc you use this as the backround for it. That it can explain why it happened.

[Torchd]

I got it and read it................................................ ................yesterday......................... ................................................. oh yeah and uh.......bump

[hippie_hunter]

IMO the art sucks and the story was decent. But it at least proves that All-Star DC isn't a complete failure and All-Star Superman > All-Star Batman and Robin

[Ultimate_Superman]

This title is hurting my wallet I just spent $70 on both titles today. I brought AS B&R #1 signed by miller and Lee and I just got AS S signed by Morrison and Quitely for $30 a piece. Then I just the limited edition variant cover for $10.00 :(

[The Joker™]

Where did you get?

[Ultimate_Superman]

at the comic shop.

[The Joker™]

Damn mine didn't have any singed stuff.:(

[newmexneon]

My shop never has any signed stuff.

Morrison had a short interview in this month's wizard and he said the aura pulling the ship is an homage to the Electric Superman and I am guessing the blue stuff is propably the same thing. He also said Superman is going to be gaining more new powers as the story progresses.

[BrianWilly]

Dood, we so need to see the return of super-ventriloquism.

[Ultimate_Superman]

bumping since A.S Superman #2 comes out either today or tomorrow.

[The Joker™]

it comes out today bro.

i can't wait to get it.

anybody know if there will be a variant to this?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Tomorrow for me we have a delay because of MLK day

[The Joker™]

The Diamond Shipping list http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/shipping_011806.txt says it comes out today though so does my comic shop calander that they give out.

[Ultimate_Superman]

are you from the US because over here after every holiday the shipping is delayed by a day

[drastic_quench]

#2 was great.

[Sentry2005]

what the hell is MLK day?

[The Batman]

Ish two was awesome

This is shaping up to be a great series....

[drastic_quench]

what the hell is MLK day?

Martin Luther King Jr.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Will AS Superman have the sword of truth or the last GL ring?

[drastic_quench]

#4 Cover
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/2193/allstarsuperman43pg.jpg
a page from #3
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/829/allstarsuperman3pg048yy.jpg

[LivingInClip]

What was the cover for number 3?

I see RED K will be in number 4.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Cover for All-Star Superman number 5

http://www.newsarama.com/WWLA06/DC/ASSM_Cv5.jpg

[Ultimate_Superman]

I wonder why Clark is in jail.

[drastic_quench]

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6493/allstaroz9xq.jpg

Somebody's gonna get F'd in the A.

[Pksoze]

Luthor does look like Schillinger.

[Bullseye]

J.K. Simmons who was Schillinger was also played J. Jonah Jameson. I find that quite odd.

[Pksoze]

J.K. Simmons who was Schillinger was also played J. Jonah Jameson. I find that quite odd.


Yeah but I'll always view him as Schillinger, and come to think of it he could have been a great villain.

[Bullseye]

Mos' definately. Oz creeped the hell out of me.

[Assassin]

I officially dropped this book.

#3 was pure garbage.

[Binker]

ALL STAR SUPERMAN #3

PLOT:
For 24 hours, Lois Lane has Superman’s powers. And with the costume, she’s Superwoman. After fighting a monster, Biblical hero Samson and the Greek Hero Hercules come and sweep Lois off her feet.

REVIEW:
While only in one issue (as far as we know), Lois Lane as Superwoman happens to be a great idea. And a nice homage to the Silver Age Superman comics. I love strong women and her costume gives her a Super-version of Wonder Woman’s costume.

However, one things that kinda bugs me is that Lois still thinks Superman is lying and that he isn’t Clark. On one hand; I believe this is similar to Spider-Man where as he revealed himself to Black Cat, she screamed for him to put the mask on as she thinks Peter lives a dull life, and she cannot see that they’re the same man. It can be just like that in here. But on the other hand; Black Cat didn’t deny it. Lois is. Why is that? Now I’m wondering how Superman or Clark is gonna finally convince her he’s is who he is.

One of the highlights was how much this issue makes people go back to the ‘50s. In a issue to Action Comics, Samson and Hercules swept Lois and Lana off their feet as Superman watched. While this has happened before, you don’t need to know it. Another thing is that its not the first time Lois got super-powers (Superman’s Girlfriend: Lois Lane, anyone?) but Morrison puts it in a realistic view: At first I thought it was the costume was going to be the source of where Lois gets the powers. It turned out to be a definition of potent potable. Upon drinking, Lois has his powers for ONE DAY. That makes it a stronger and resonant way.

What happened in Issue 1, brought back in Issue 2, is now…….said again here in 3. Samson brings Superman a paper from the future that says “SUPERMAN’S DEAD”. This does two things: first off, that newspaper is also from the big stunt of Death and Life of Superman. Second: it provides us, story-wise, that his death is gonna happen one way or another and when it does, how he, Lois, and/or everybody else’s reaction and…action will be up in the air.

Overall, this was a great issue for this title. While some may feel it ain't great, just good. I feel it was great in the feeling I had when I was reading it.

RATING: 9/10

[gildea]

binker look at who wrote the story of superman's death.

opens up a new can of worms.

[Tojo]

Just read issue 3....could it be...that ASS is just as dumb and ridiculous as AB&R?

[Pksoze]

Just read issue 3....could it be...that ASS is just as dumb and ridiculous as AB&R?


No...

[The Question]

Yes, actually. The book is just so ****ING cheesey. Now, I don't mind cheeseyness. I loves me some cheese. But in the proper doses. And there is a very huge difference between some occasional cheeseyness to lighten things up, and pretty much soaking in a sea of cheese large enough to flood most of Massechusetes. And that's what All Star Superman is. It's like Grant Morrison took everything I hate about the silver age, and made a comic out of it.

[Purple Man]

But he makes it look so good.

Mmm mmm cheese.

[The Question]

Well, I do agree that the art is ****ing beautiful. And the diologue is better than what we had in the silver age. But plot wise, it's everything I hate about the silver age wraped up in one neat little package.

[BrianWilly]

It's utterly awesome.

The All-Star line was advertized to be a throwback to silver age stories, and that's exactly what Morrison is delivering by the bucketload. It's campy and over-the-top and an homage to everything and doesn't pretend to be anything else. It's not even tongue-in-cheek, it's actually taking the silver age and making it work today.

And underneath it all is a pretty sweet and enjoyable story about Superman and Lois Lane, the single most iconic comic book couple of all time. That page of Superman kissing Lois on the moon? Pure awesome, and pure class.

[GyLocke]

I love the book.
A world where a man can fly is pretty fantastic. Morrisson is just making the ASS world a wee bit more fantastic than that.
It's a world, where the concept of Superman actually works.

[The Question]

So, you're saying Superman doesn't work in the comics as he is?

[GyLocke]

So, you're saying Superman doesn't work in the comics as he is?

No, I'm saying he works BETTER in the ASS world.



I can't get tired of saying ASS. :)

[gildea]

So, you're saying Superman doesn't work in the comics as he is?

To hell with it i'll bite.

Superman very very very rarely works in comics as he is.

As batman said the last time he inspired anyone was when he was dead.

[The Question]

No, I'm saying he works BETTER in the ASS world.


Well. I guess I'm just going to have to disagree 100%.


To hell with it i'll bite.

Superman very very very rarely works in comics as he is.

As batman said the last time he inspired anyone was when he was dead.

Again, I completely disagree. So what if he's not some perfect demi god? He's become more of a character. That's what counts with me.

[gildea]

Well. I guess I'm just going to have to disagree 100%.




Again, I completely disagree. So what if he's not some perfect demi god? He's become more of a character. That's what counts with me.

And i disagree. He imo is so much less of a character, he is the same as every other superhero.
He has lost his individuality and originality and in place we have some sort of marvelised character which we already have plenty of.

[The Question]

And i disagree. He imo is so much less of a character, he is the same as every other superhero.

He has lost his individuality and originality and in place we have some sort of marvelised character which we already have plenty of.


He's much more of a character. Read Man of Steel or For All Seasons, and tell me that he's less of a character. They've actually explored what a guy who's basically as much of an outsider as you can be must feel like. Sure, everyone looks up to him. But he doesn't belong. He's not one of us. And that hurts him. He may not be juggling plantes or traveling through time just by flying really fast, but that doesn;r make him more of a character. Actual character developement makes him more of a character.

[gildea]

For all seasons is great. MoS less so.

But the def haven't explored his "outsiderness" they've made him more human and had him fit in far too easily. Concentrated too much on the "man" and forgotten that he truly isn't one of us, the charater development is pretty much "given" and follows a predictable pattern. Hardly making him more of a characte.

But we disagree :).

[The Question]

They've made him more human. But that doesn't counter the outsiderness. He still realizes that he's not truely one of us, and it pains him. Doesn't mean he shouldn't act like a human being. He is most definately more of a character than he was pre crisis.

[gildea]

more human yes, more of a character not really just less distinct and more relatable in a cliched way.

[The Question]

And how was Superman's pre crisis distinctness any better? He was aloof and ridiculously powerful. That doesn't make him a better character. And it just makes it harder to write good stories with him. Making him more human made him a much better character.

[GyLocke]

Man of steel is one of my favorite Superman stories.
It was the first comic I've read.
But lately they tried to have a cake and eat it too - take him back to the Silver age, but not alienating the Man of Steel fans (Birthright, increased power level, battle suit Luthor, Supergirl). These stories simply don't work.

I like Bryne's Superman, who almost lives in our world. (Seriously, the way Bryne presents it, you can freaking believe a guy in tights can fly. Like you saw on the news.)

And I like Morrisson's Superman, who armwrestles with Atlas and Samson, as an everyday activity.

Both has charm, both has heart. Yes, they will alienate some of the fans. (Just watch how much **** MOS gets.) But that's what great stories do.

[The Question]

I just hate the ridiculous silver age crap. The reason we got rid of it is because it doesn't work. Not in the long run. And if you can't write Superman without it, you shouldn't be writing Superman. That's how I feel, at least.

[GyLocke]

I just hate the ridiculous silver age crap. The reason we got rid of it is because it doesn't work. Not in the long run. And if you can't write Superman without it, you shouldn't be writing Superman. That's how I feel, at least.

That's why we have an ASS. So someone, who enjoys stories that are more out there can have something he enjoyes too, but you don't have to buy it if you hate the Silver Age stuff. I don't want it to be cannon either. But it's something I can really enjoy every month.

All that said, I really don't see why you say ASS is that ridicolous. I can't see how can someone honestly enjoy a Superman comic, if that disturbs him.
The whole concept of the character is freaking ridiculous, and I still love the hell out of it. Guy Flying In Tights.

[The Question]

Arm wrestling Samson and Atlas, keeping the Titanic and a baby sun eater in his fortress, lifting half a million tons in his hand like it's nothing, having dinner parties in Atlantis, being good buddies witha sub-terranian race of dinosaurs. It's bloody ridiculous. And to say "well SUperman himself is ridiculous so you've got to accept the rest" is bull.

[GyLocke]

Arm wrestling Samson and Atlas, keeping the Titanic and a baby sun eater in his fortress, lifting half a million tons in his hand like it's nothing, having dinner parties in Atlantis, being good buddies witha sub-terranian race of dinosaurs. It's bloody ridiculous. And to say "well SUperman himself is ridiculous so you've got to accept the rest" is bull.

Hey dude don't get so worked up, all I said I like MOS, I don't want it changed.

If you find the elseworlds ASS inacceptable it's okay, there are a lot of more grounded titles every month.

[The Question]

I'm not getting worked up.

[Tojo]

I agree with everything Question is saying, to a degree. I enjoy ASS in the same way i enjoy ASB&R-it's never going to be 'cannon material', that was never the intention-thus the ridiculousness of it all is to be taken in context.

Yet so many people are ragging on All-star Batman because it is so 'not Batman'. Now, someone said earlier that ASS was a throwback to silver age Superman. Well, alot of present readers weren't even born then, so it is turned into an in-joke between the older readers and then completley alienates newer readers. Besides, Superman chilling out by the sea wrestling Gods and Lois having powers for the day isn't classic Superman to me.

[BrianWilly]

Well if you weren't born back then, like you said, then obviously it's not going to feel classic to you. I wasn't even born back then. But I understand that this is Superman at his most classic; before the death, before the clones, before the depowering, before the electric blue and mohawks and awkward pissing contests with Batman; he was dating Lois Lane with all its secret identity tomfoolery, screwing around with Jimmy Olsen's head once a month, and acting a damn fool as Clark Kent. Meanwhile, he punched people into outer space and flew back and forth through time. This was the sort of comics that people read and bought back then.

I don't think that it's all an in-joke. I rather think that it's an homage.

I don't know why people are considering this more ridiculous than some of the other comics out there that we're reading day-to-day. It's over-the-top, but a lot of things are. Seriously, no one who enjoyed Young Justice getting pulled into the edge of space to play baseball for the fate of the galaxy should have room for argument in this. She-Hulk got pulled into the edge of space to judge the lawfulness of aliens eating each other. Giffen's Super Buddies spent time in hell working in a fast food joint. Alex Luthor is pulling phantom Earths out of the fabric of time and space and jamming them together like silly putty.

And here the ASS-dislikers keep bringing up the "IT'S SO RIDICULOUS" mantra, but my question is at what point did All-Star Superman suddenly cross the line of "Whoa there, I think this here is too much to handle?" It's a legitimate genre, just like Ennis' grim realism and Gaiman's abstract word-dickery. It's not as if we're all of a sudden cramming this thing into continuity and forcing the existing Superman to conform to it, either, so I don't see what the problem is.

If you don't like silver age stories, well, ASS was advertized as a silver age homage since the day we first heard of it, and unlike All-Star Batman has stuck to that promise through all the months that it's been going.

[The Question]

Good point. And ridiculousness I don't mind so much. It's just, this is different. Somehow. And I wasn't entirely expecting what we got when I first heard of it. I knew it was going to be an homage to the silver age, but I never expected it to be taken this far.

[Brian Braddock]

Well if you weren't born back then, like you said, then obviously it's not going to feel classic to you. I wasn't even born back then. But I understand that this is Superman at his most classic; before the death, before the clones, before the depowering, before the electric blue and mohawks and awkward pissing contests with Batman; he was dating Lois Lane with all its secret identity tomfoolery, screwing around with Jimmy Olsen's head once a month, and acting a damn fool as Clark Kent. Meanwhile, he punched people into outer space and flew back and forth through time. This was the sort of comics that people read and bought back then.

I don't think that it's all an in-joke. I rather think that it's an homage.

I don't know why people are considering this more ridiculous than some of the other comics out there that we're reading day-to-day. It's over-the-top, but a lot of things are. Seriously, no one who enjoyed Young Justice getting pulled into the edge of space to play baseball for the fate of the galaxy should have room for argument in this. She-Hulk got pulled into the edge of space to judge the lawfulness of aliens eating each other. Giffen's Super Buddies spent time in hell working in a fast food joint. Alex Luthor is pulling phantom Earths out of the fabric of time and space and jamming them together like silly putty.

And here the ASS-dislikers keep bringing up the "IT'S SO RIDICULOUS" mantra, but my question is at what point did All-Star Superman suddenly cross the line of "Whoa there, I think this here is too much to handle?" It's a legitimate genre, just like Ennis' grim realism and Gaiman's abstract word-dickery. It's not as if we're all of a sudden cramming this thing into continuity and forcing the existing Superman to conform to it, either, so I don't see what the problem is.

If you don't like silver age stories, well, ASS was advertized as a silver age homage since the day we first heard of it, and unlike All-Star Batman has stuck to that promise through all the months that it's been going.

Fantastic post - summed up the 'pro-ASS' arguement for me right here. :up:

[Anubis]

I love the book. It's funny as hell to me.

[twylight]

I picked up the 3rd one this week and it's the second one I've read...not exactly whay I expected. But it was so fairytale like, I couldn't help but like it a little.

But I don't think I'll pick it up on a monthly basis anymore. I'll wait for the TBP.

[The Question]

I guess I'm being too hard on it. It's just, when Morrison said it would be athrowback to the Silver Age, I was expecting something like "Justice". I didn't think he'd go this far. Took me a bit by suprise.

[GyLocke]

Seriously, no one who enjoyed Young Justice getting pulled into the edge of space to play baseball for the fate of the galaxy should have room for argument in this.

That sounds like an awsome story.

Great post btw. All the reasons, why I'm an ASS man.

[The Question]

That sounds like an awsome story.


It actually was quite funny.

[BrianWilly]

Oh wait...when I said "mohawk," what I actually meant was "mullet.":o Same sort of evil in different incarnations:O.

[The Question]

Yeah, the mullet was bad. There were some good stories in the mullet years, but the mullet itself was just bad.

[Ultimate_Superman]

What you guys tend to forget A.S.S. is not only going to be about the silver age. Once this arc is done we could have an arc based off the movies, or off of todays Superman or hell we could have an arc with Earth-2 Superman. Thats the point of All-Star it is like JLA Classified it takes place at any time period. Though I do wish they went with the Uliti. idea and just went that way but hey I like this line as well.

[The Sage]

Well if you weren't born back then, like you said, then obviously it's not going to feel classic to you. I wasn't even born back then. But I understand that this is Superman at his most classic; before the death, before the clones, before the depowering, before the electric blue and mohawks and awkward pissing contests with Batman; he was dating Lois Lane with all its secret identity tomfoolery, screwing around with Jimmy Olsen's head once a month, and acting a damn fool as Clark Kent. Meanwhile, he punched people into outer space and flew back and forth through time. This was the sort of comics that people read and bought back then.

I don't think that it's all an in-joke. I rather think that it's an homage.

I don't know why people are considering this more ridiculous than some of the other comics out there that we're reading day-to-day. It's over-the-top, but a lot of things are. Seriously, no one who enjoyed Young Justice getting pulled into the edge of space to play baseball for the fate of the galaxy should have room for argument in this. She-Hulk got pulled into the edge of space to judge the lawfulness of aliens eating each other. Giffen's Super Buddies spent time in hell working in a fast food joint. Alex Luthor is pulling phantom Earths out of the fabric of time and space and jamming them together like silly putty.

And here the ASS-dislikers keep bringing up the "IT'S SO RIDICULOUS" mantra, but my question is at what point did All-Star Superman suddenly cross the line of "Whoa there, I think this here is too much to handle?" It's a legitimate genre, just like Ennis' grim realism and Gaiman's abstract word-dickery. It's not as if we're all of a sudden cramming this thing into continuity and forcing the existing Superman to conform to it, either, so I don't see what the problem is.

If you don't like silver age stories, well, ASS was advertized as a silver age homage since the day we first heard of it, and unlike All-Star Batman has stuck to that promise through all the months that it's been going.

Exactly. All-Star Superman is exactly what it was advertised as.

[SpideyInATree]

I just read issue # 3 this week. I've got to say that this is a fantastic series. I used to read Superman back in the early 90's right around his death and the return, etc. The books got really stale and Superman wasn't interesting to me anymore.

Well, thanks to Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely I'm interested in Superman again and intrigued further by Grant Morrison's writing skills. His imagination is fantastic. I'd suggest people who really enjoy this to check out Grant's Seven Soldiers miniseries...they are excellent.

Much like All Star Batman I enjoy this because it's basically a story that is from scratch. No past continuity and they have a story to themselves that they can tell without stepping on toes. And it's a nice relief to read something like that.

[vog]

I just read issue # 3 this week. I've got to say that this is a fantastic series. I used to read Superman back in the early 90's right around his death and the return, etc. The books got really stale and Superman wasn't interesting to me anymore.

Well, thanks to Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely I'm interested in Superman again and intrigued further by Grant Morrison's writing skills. His imagination is fantastic. I'd suggest people who really enjoy this to check out Grant's Seven Soldiers miniseries...they are excellent.

Much like All Star Batman I enjoy this because it's basically a story that is from scratch. No past continuity and they have a story to themselves that they can tell without stepping on toes. And it's a nice relief to read something like that.

Glad to hear you're enjoying it. :up:

I seem to remember you also saying you were gonna try out Johns and Busiek's "Up, Up, and Away" storyarc. Have you been picking it up so far, and if so, what do you think? I've really enjoyed all three issuses so far, even though we've had zero superman action.

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, I've been enjoying the Up, Up, and Away arc. It's good to see something interesting going on with Superman instead of the borefest that I was used to.

[amazingfantasy15]

Just read the first three issues of both All Star titles and gotta say I'm very impressed with both for different reasons.

Superman - This titles is booooooring, maybe my expections were high after all the great reviews, but the title has gone nowhere since issue one, Lex introduces a plan to kill Supes, so what do we get Supes taking Lois on a tour of the fortress of Solitude, giving her powers, then two heroes try hitting on Lois. The story just didn't grab me at all, I don't care what happens next.

Batman - Not even mentioning Batman's personality, the writing on this sucks. It's like Miller making fun of Bendis or something, the scripts for all three could have been half as long with all the repeated dialouge. the scripts for all three could have been half as long with all the repeated dialouge. Really, it like Miller is making fun of Bendis' writing style. Miller is making fun of Bendis' writing style! the scripts for all three could have been half as long with all the repeated dialouge! Oh yeah, F YOU KID! PIECE OF $#!T!

[Valorman]

okay, im sorry but i cant handel the art anymore, it's turning me off to the story

[ToddIsDead]

That's too bad. I, myself love Quietly's art.

[Mogwai]

That's too bad. I, myself love Quietly's art.

me too. i think it works better for superman than it did x-men.

[Brian Braddock]

Me three. Quietley's stuff is great imo.

I myself am enjoying ASS immensely. ;)

[Masut]

I live in Australia but almost always get my comics from America via eBay. I don't usually buy comics but once in a while I like to pick some up. I'm waiting on getting All-Star Superman issues #1-3 after loving the preview I found on the net, and I loved the cover of Issue #1! I can't wait!

I'm a big Superman fan amongst other things, but these will be my first proper Superman comics. Looking forward to it!

[Brian Braddock]

I live in Australia but almost always get my comics from America via eBay. I don't usually buy comics but once in a while I like to pick some up. I'm waiting on getting All-Star Superman issues #1-3 after loving the preview I found on the net, and I loved the cover of Issue #1! I can't wait!

I'm a big Superman fan amongst other things, but these will be my first proper Superman comics. Looking forward to it!


Thats good to hear :up:

[gildea]

Me three. Quietley's stuff is great imo.

I myself am enjoying ASS immensely. ;)


me 4 he's arguably the best storyteller in the superhero business and definetly the most experimental regarding layouts (we3 was ground breaking stuff)

[Brian Braddock]

me 4 he's arguably the best storyteller in the superhero business and definetly the most experimental regarding layouts (we3 was ground breaking stuff)


Experimental is a great way to describe Quietly's art - it's unconventional and almost 'quirky' - that's one of the reasons why I like it - there is just so much character, soul and warmth in his art; it's definatley not just your average 'run of the mill/generic style' stuff that you see all the time today in comics.

As a writer/artist combo, Morrison and Quietly suit one another's styles to a T. :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

bump for tomorrow

[The Batman]

i must say, its nice to read an all star book that dosent suck

[PWN3R]

My shop was sold out. :(

[Assassin]

i'm on page 4, i cant read this nonsence any more, **** this ::throws book on floor::

[Brian Braddock]

i'm on page 4, i cant read this nonsence any more, **** this ::throws book on floor::

Aw, man - Don't throw it on the floor;


Throw it to me instead!!!


It's gonna be ages till my local comic shop gets it in! :O :D

[Assassin]

jimmy olson is in a bra and daisy dukes...

[drastic_quench]

I was on a handful of muscle relaxers when I read this issue this afternoon. It kind of enhanced the whole book while smoothing out Morrison's surprises and twists. Everything made perfect sense. Jimmy in drag? Yeah, that's cool - completely natural. Now he's Doomsday. Sure. He'd have to be. I've gotta try that sometime with old Doom Patrol issues.

[Emerald Knight]

I was on a handful of muscle relaxers when I read this issue this afternoon. It kind of enhanced the whole book while smoothing out Morrison's surprises and twists. Everything made perfect sense. Jimmy in drag? Yeah, that's cool - completely natural. Now he's Doomsday. Sure. He'd have to be. I've gotta try that sometime with old Doom Patrol issues.

and when you're done, you can explain it to me! ;) :D

I enjoy Morrison's Doom Patrol run, no matter how many times Rebis has existential ramblings I can't understand. I loved the story about the Body versus the Mind in volume two. Just awesome stuff. :)

[MaskedManJRK]

At first I wasn't sure about Jimmy really metro and wearing drag, but now that I think about it...Jesus Christ, it makes a hell of a lot of sense. :o

[Binker]

ALL STAR SUPERMAN #4

PLOT:
Jimmy Olsen is many things. He maybe a cub reporter who wants to see action and be the mister in adventure, but he’s well known by many who either hate him, want to be him, and want to date him. Plus, he is also Superman’s pal and carries a wris****ch to contact him for emergencies. Now he’s on a bigger case as he is the maybe be leader of P.R.O.J.E.C.T. for a day. But its not all simple as he would want to be as the discovery of Black Kryptonite, that Superman can be harmed by, makes the Man of Steel go on a rampage.

REVIEW:
When I saw the cover, I was reminded of the old comics that had the bubbles and the characters talking on the situation they were in (or gonna be in from the readers that didn’t read it yet POV). I just like that because this Superman, this book, is based on the Silver Age and from that time to the late ‘70s/early ‘80s is when they use to have the covers be like this. I liked that reference, that connection.

Anyway, back to the book.

This issue kinda takes a break from the main storyline and focuses on Jimmy Olsen. Now we all know Jimmy to be this guy who is a geek, who is a fan of Superman, BIG fan I should say and is a cub reporter for the Daily Planet who gets excited at the times big news comes in and Superman is involved. But in this book; Jimmy WANTS to be in the adventures and sees himself as the star almost in those situations in his mind. As a visionary. Now again this book is based on the Silver Age and that made Jimmy at the time very much involved in situations he normally wouldn’t be in with or without Superman by his side. The difference is that its almost an obsession. Also on a similar side; he is obsessed of what he wears fashion-wise. And that doesn’t do well to some people, as newspapers rank him as the worst dressed man, which he doesn’t mind. Last but not least on the differences; in this book, he has a girlfriend.

When in P.R.O.J.E.C.T. he wants to know and be part of everything, which can and does get him into dangerous states until Superman comes in. He also sees a huge chamber that reads “DON’T OPEN UNTIL DOOMSDAY”. At first I thought it was the monster we all knew that killed Superman in the ‘90s (and I’ll get back to you on that) but as I looked at it again, it wasn’t. Does this relate to the future of the story? Well they wouldn’t do this unless it was so I guess it does.

When Superman goes rogue and becomes evil, Jimmy becomes the hero to save him by becoming a retro-version of a character from the modern times to the scifi Silver Age era: Doomsday. Yes, the monster this time. Jimmy fights off Superman in this form but only for a short time otherwise he will face death. So this Doomsday is actually a Jimmy Oslen-human looking monster. On that desuign I thought it was fine at least. It still wasn’t the real Doomsday. If it was, I guess I would’ve had a feeling down in negative light.

Overall; I saw this as a insight of how different someone like Jimmy Olsen is in this version from the common versions we all know of. At first I was disappointed as I thought what this issue was about would lead up to the fifth issue judging from the cover of that. Upon looking at it again, it was ok/good. Fine, I’ll leave at that.

RATING: 7.5/10

[Purple Man]

Another great issue. This is turning out to be one of my favorite Superman stories, and I know we are just getting started.

[Ultimate_Superman]

At first I wasn't sure about Jimmy really metro and wearing drag, but now that I think about it...Jesus Christ, it makes a hell of a lot of sense. :oSame here then I rea it again and it was part of being the sweetheart of the city for a day and I loved it. they are doing a great job here. It was also nice to see Jimmy dating Lucy again I always wanted the two of them to get married instead of her marring Ron.

[SpideyInATree]

I had a lot of fun with ish # 4.

Though, what the hell was Jimmy Olson doing in a bra and daisy dukes?! HAHA!

Frank Quitely's artwork is right on the money as far as I'm concerned. The way he draws Superman and Clark Kent I love it to death.

And seeing the Black K sort of turn Supes into a bizzaro version and Olsen turning himself into Doomsday...that was a nice little touch.

Though, it was good to see the cross dressing Jimmy Olsen get some play at the end of this issue. :up:

I wish this book would come out a little more often, much like it's counterpart, All Star Batman. But, I guess I gotta take it whenever I can get it.

[Anubis]

You know, i'm comfortable enough in my sexuality to say that Jimmy looked kinda hot in the bra and daisy dukes. If we were in prison i'd.....well anyway, I loved this issue too. The art was freakin amazing. More so than usual. And it was just a fun read.

[MaskedManJRK]

I had a lot of fun with ish # 4.

Though, what the hell was Jimmy Olson doing in a bra and daisy dukes?! HAHA!

Frank Quitely's artwork is right on the money as far as I'm concerned. The way he draws Superman and Clark Kent I love it to death.

And seeing the Black K sort of turn Supes into a bizzaro version and Olsen turning himself into Doomsday...that was a nice little touch.

Though, it was good to see the cross dressing Jimmy Olsen get some play at the end of this issue. :up:

I wish this book would come out a little more often, much like it's counterpart, All Star Batman. But, I guess I gotta take it whenever I can get it.

Yeah, you know you're a good writer when you can get people to root for Jimmy f**kin' Olsen. :up:

[Deathlok2001]

Jimmy Olson in a bra and daisy dukes is what we need to see more of I think.......

What ever happened to the entire "Superman is dying" storyline from issue #1?

[The Leaguer]

It's still going on, he just hasn't died yet. It took a backseat for this story.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Does anyone else think Mr. Q or that green female in the book was working with Lex on how to kill Superman?

[BrianWilly]

Loved this issue.

"Gas mark five!"

Gypsy curses? Doomsday? Crossdressing Jimmy? Just hilarious. Keep it up, Grant.

[Eros]

Morrison takes the camp to far sometimes, but the newest issue was pretty amuseing. But i really hope he does a serous story soon set in this century.

[Ultimate_Superman]

So the new issue comes out today what do you think of it?

[Ultimate_Superman]

All I can say after reading this issue is Wow it is a great issue. If your a fan of classic Lex Luthor you'll love this one.

[drastic_quench]

Another great issue. "Eyebrow." heh.

[Binker]

ALL STAR SUPERMAN #5

PLOT:
Lex Luthor has been sentenced to death by the courts. Clark Kent visits him in prison for an interview and follows him in his rather nice time in prison. As the interview goes, the Parasite breaks free and fights the guards. Now Clark has to save them while with Lex and not reveal to him who he is.

REVIEW:
I was very happy when I heard this was finally coming out. After all the anger I’ve having on the delays of the All Star books, I’m starting to get use to them. Not to say I’ve accepted the delays (I WILL NEVER DO THAT) but I’ve decided to not hold my breath, let’s say, on these books coming out a certain week until official confirmation. But anyway, back to the book.

Now at first you might think from the cover that Clark was gonna go to jail. I thought that too and I was thinking if that would be the reason why he goes to Smallville in issue 6. It turns out that he goes to prison still as an interviewer, not a prisoner. Am’I mad? Not really. I doubt that would’ve happened.

Lex Luthor seems to rather enjoy that he is gonna die. No escape plans seen, nothing about leaving, he accepts that he is going to die because for this reason: since Superman is dying because of him, he feels that he is done. I should point out though that there is an escape route that he has but because of Superman dying, he doesn’t want to use it. All Star’s Lex Luthor is whom more Silver Age is from. This Lex Luthor is the classic Lex Luthor. Always cares what he says to spread so everyone else can hear, always allowed to experiment, thinks himself as a king and tyrant, hell just think of Kevin Spacey’s Lex Luthor and you won’t be far off. Still, it doesn’t mean he is no evil. He still is. There are also scenes where you could laugh from him.

Also, we’re introduced to a girl that Luthor knows that is seen talking Clark home away from the prison whom is where the escape route is located. He says her name is Nasthalthia, but she wants to be called Nasty, whom is 18 years old and wants to rule the world. She looks like a goth girl (well I should say she is) and, while this is a comic book, she looks nice. :D

Overall, this was a nice issue. I have no problem with that. I should say though that while I’m really glad we finally have issue 5, I really, really can’t wait for issue 6. From the interview with Morrison, to the cover of Krypto and the possibility that since we’re in the Silver Age, we could get Superboy, I wanna see that. Let’s hope we get it soon.

RATING: 8/10

[Motown Marvel]

Another great issue. "Eyebrow." heh.

i didnt get that, care to explain? im assuming it had something to do with what lex said about supes' eyebrows....

[LinternaVerde]

ALL STAR SUPERMAN #5

Also, we’re introduced to a girl that Luthor knows that is seen talking Clark home away from the prison whom is where the escape route is located. He says her name is Nasthalthia, but she wants to be called Nasty, whom is 18 years old and wants to rule the world. She looks like a goth girl (well I should say she is) and, while this is a comic book, she looks nice. :D


RATING: 8/10

any pic?

[BrianWilly]

i didnt get that, care to explain? im assuming it had something to do with what lex said about supes' eyebrows....You'll notice that at one point Luthor wiped the sweat off his left eyebrow and actually took his whole eyebrow right off. Later, "Nasty" subtly told him about it and he drew a whole other eyebrow on himself with a pen which was pretty off from his right eyebrow for the rest of the issue.

Basically the meaning was that Lex Luthor has no hair anywhere, not just on his scalp:p.

[bunk]

These are some of the best books to come out in a while. I just read issue 5 and it was awesome. Morrison and Quietly do such a good job making Clark and Supes 2 different characters. I had to remind myself when Lex was talking about supes, that supes was actually standing there. It really feels like Clark is a competely different person, its crazy. Anyone someone asks for a pic of that goth chick.
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7352/nastypd9.jpg

[BrianWilly]

^Totally agree. The art was fantastic. Someone on another board said it best..."How often has Superman ever looked like a sad fat doggie?"

My thoughts...
All-Star Superman #5
"NOBODY GETS IN LUTHOR'S WAY!!!"
"Lex. My shorthand can't handle the volume."

I adored this issue. Not just liked, and not just loved, but adored.

Morrison's clever ways of getting Clark to repeated "help" Luthor without blowing his identity was absolutely f'ing priceless. It's that cartoony, silver-ageish wink-at-the-audience sort of attitude that makes this book so damn readable. No one tries to be witty like that anymore because it might come across as cheesy or whatever, but Morrison embraces it like it really deserves to be. I haven't really been put off by the lateness of the book; the individual issues are each so episodic in nature that it's not really that big a deal.

And for all the cutesiness, Morrison writes Luthor like nobody's business. Proud, psychotic, obsessed, driven, humorous, and more besides. Hell, I think Morrison is Luthor.

And I have to say, this is the single best issue of art I've ever seen from Quitely. Clark Kent looks as dumpy and clumsy and, well, cute and vulnerable as he really should, and it's easier to see just how it is that no one recognizes him as Superman, even Lex Luthor, even when he's staring him right in the face without his glasses.

(10 out of 10)

[Purple Man]

And for all the cutesiness, Morrison writes Luthor like nobody's business. Proud, psychotic, obsessed, driven, humorous, and more besides. Hell, I think Morrison is Luthor.

(10 out of 10)

I knew it! That accent doesn't fool me, Luthor!

One of the most iconic Luthors I've ever seen. Goes right up there with Azzarellos 'Lex Luthor: Man of Steel'

[The Leaguer]

Fantastic comic. One of the best books DC has put out in a long, long time.

[Kal-El 8]

This was issue was superb , this is one of the best Lex Luthor centered issue . [I haven't seen one a Lex Luthor centered issue for a while.] I can't wait for the next issue . Now if only All-star BATMAN was as good as All-Star SUPERMAN .

[Emerald Knight]

Wow...an issue of Superman where we never see him in costume...I loved Clark's "accidental" help throughout the issue, along with how vastly different Clark Kent was compared to Superman, that even Lex couldn't even tell. Lex was also the highlight of the issue, a true villain's issue. Especially with the fact that his eyebrows are drawn on, I enjoyed that bit. :D I love Luthor's characterization in this run. :up:

[SpideyInATree]

This was definitely another cool book. I liked the Parasite part because of Clark being there he was feeding off of all that power.

And the eyebrow thing at the end had me cracking up. But, now Supes knows that Luthor set his ass up and it's on now, beotches.

[LinternaVerde]

i really love this issue.

i mean, it has one of my favorites all time dialogues!!!!

"I can mentally crack any code known to man in less than a minute, time me..."
"It's shorthand, Lex"

"A tall, strapping, midwestern farmer's boy with brains, integrity and no stlye of his own? That's a prize catch of any cynical city gal.. throw in some weight training and that flabby physique of yours could even come to rival Superman's build"

"You have the eyebrow shape beaticians call the 'Superman swoosh.' Apparentely, 65% of men subconsciously trim therir eyebrows that way, to be more like him"

"I've always liked you, Kent. You're a humble, modest, uncoordinated human. You're everything he's not."

"I'm going to the chair fulfilled. Don't worry about me. I have friends in high places."
"I can't believe you're getting ready to die like this. You and Superman could have been FRIENDS!"
"Are you Insane? I'm a born dictator!"
"YOU'LL DIE LIKE A MAD DOG IN THE YARD! THINK STRAIGHT, LEX!"

"Where to now, Mister Kent?" (the goth 18 years old girl sailing Estigia)

(Morrison should write the next Superman movies scripts)

[The Sage]

Issue 5 was the best All-Star Supes issue yet, and probably has the best Lex Luthor I've ever seen written, even moreso than Azzarello's LL: MOS. IMO, of course.

[GNR]

Cover to #7

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=83485

[Emerald Knight]

Cover to #7

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=83485

Sweet cover. :up: :cool:

The interview's pretty interesting and entertaining as well. :)

[The Question]

These are some of the best books to come out in a while. I just read issue 5 and it was awesome. Morrison and Quietly do such a good job making Clark and Supes 2 different characters. I had to remind myself when Lex was talking about supes, that supes was actually standing there. It really feels like Clark is a competely different person, its crazy. Anyone someone asks for a pic of that goth chick.
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7352/nastypd9.jpg



Absolutely loved that pic. It's hard to make Clark look small and helpless without actually drawing his body any differently. But it's all there in the face. Quietly's bloody brilliant.

[Mogwai]

Cover to #7

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=83485
That cover looks great. As of recently, I'm starting to like Bizarro more and more.

[Anubis]

You know, I hope that at some point Morrison breaks out Mxy. Just thinking about what Morrison would do with a fifth dimensional imp with too much time on his hands causes my brain to orgasm. just a little bit.

[SpideyInATree]

That Bizarro Supes on the cover for # 7 looks extremely creepy. I'm going to look forward to that issue.

[Eros]

Am I the only one who thinks this comic is alittle bit to campy for its on good? why does the fotress look like a twilight Zone episode? Why is the art so ungly, Jim Lee should be on this book. Isn't superman suppose to be dead buy now?Issue five was interesting, but i can't wait till the new writer and the next story arc, and hopefully Jim lee as the artist.

[The Question]

First of all, Frank Quietly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Lee.


Second, the campyness is kind of the point. I think they go kind of overboard, but it's still pretty cool.

[Eros]

First of all, Frank Quietly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Lee.


Second, the campyness is kind of the point. I think they go kind of overboard, but it's still pretty cool.

dude Frank quietly is nowhere as good as Jim lee, but im sure many people will agree Jim lee pawns alot of people. JIm Less art is used to promote everything thats is DC these days[cards,posters etc].

[ToddIsDead]

dude Frank quietly is nowhere as good as Jim lee, but im sure many people will agree Jim lee pawns alot of people. JIm Less art is used to promote everything thats is DC these days[cards,posters etc].
You're in the minority on this board if you think Jim Lee is better than Frank Quietly.

[The Question]

dude Frank quietly is nowhere as good as Jim lee, but im sure many people will agree Jim lee pawns alot of people. JIm Less art is used to promote everything thats is DC these days[cards,posters etc].


You have no idea how Bizarro correct that statement is.

[Eros]

whatever, but more to the point wish morrison would tune down the weird stuff thats all. Im just can't wait till the next writer and story arc anyways.

[Emerald Knight]

Eh, I think that Quitely's art actually has human characters looking like human people. I find that more intriguing than Lee's anime cartoon style, but that's just me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still planning on getting Morrison's Wild CATS, it's just that I prefer Quitely to Lee on Superman.

[The Leaguer]

dude Frank quietly is nowhere as good as Jim lee, but im sure many people will agree Jim lee pawns alot of people. JIm Less art is used to promote everything thats is DC these days[cards,posters etc].
It's "pwn," not "pawn." "Pawn" makes you sound like a 'tard.

[Eros]

It's "pwn," not "pawn." "Pawn" makes you sound like a 'tard.

^dude you need to get off your computer , really was that explanation neccassary?:huh: I may "sound" like a tard, but you sounded like a loser with that one [no offense].

[The Leaguer]

No, you get off my computer.

And explain how you can call someone a loser but not mean any offense.

[Eros]

No, you get off my computer.

And explain how you can call someone a loser but not mean any offense.

can't we just be friends:yay: , you take all this to serously. I recommend a nice 2 days off your computer, go back to you roots:yay:

[The Leaguer]

I haven't logged on in a few days. Stop taking me so seriously.

[GNR]

Jim Lee...haha,sure if you want the same facial expressions and features on every character with pointless streaks across everyone's thighs.

[The Leaguer]

Maybe I do. What then, b****.

[GNR]

That's your cup of tea,not mine.

[The Leaguer]

Yes it is. Because your opinions are wrong if they don't agree with mine.

[Mogwai]

That Bizarro Supes on the cover for # 7 looks extremely creepy. I'm going to look forward to that issue.
he is creepy. imagine a psycho with all the powers of superman...

"me am not kill you now..."

[Emerald Knight]

I thought Bizarro had ice vision and fire breath...:confused:

[Mogwai]

I thought Bizarro had ice vision and fire breath...:confused:
he does...and 'flashlight' vision. but he's as physically strong as supes.

[Emerald Knight]

ah. Thanks. :up:

I was just confused by that cover with Bizarro's crosseyed heat vision.

...which does look cool by the way.

[XwolverineX]

Jim > Frank


By a long shot, I may add.

[Emerald Knight]

Jim > Frank


By a long shot, I may add.

Frank actually draws Superman and Clark Kent differently...Jim just adds glasses and a suit imo. :o