X3:#1 Anticpated Movie

[snwboarder88]

From Gregs Movie Previews from Yahoomovies.com

Most Visited PreviewsMonday November 141. X3: X-Men 3 (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808490829)2. Spider-Man 3 (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808496333)3. Rocky VI (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808405668)4. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808475609)5. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808475611)6. Superman Returns (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808406108)7. Batman: Year One (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808403071)8. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808556812)9. Halo (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808750180)10. Jurassic Park IV (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808404704)11. Iron Man (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808404573)12. The Fast and the Furious 3 (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808497482)13. Batman vs. Superman (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808417349)14. King Kong (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808505211)15. Indiana Jones 4 (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808404509)16. Brokeback Mountain (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808403311)17. Casino Royale (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808476049)18. Underworld: Evolution (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808643050)19. The Blood Diamond (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808405243)20. The Passion of the Clerks (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808594446)


People that are saying that x3 has no fan following or general buzz from people are wrong. X3 has already established itself as a successfull franchise so they dont need pics, trailers, to start the buzz. from the day x2 came out the buzz on the 3rd xmen movie started. Its funny how people view x3 as a movie that will be dominated by SR, but as the most anticaapted and vistied movie sties above show x3 is the #1 most anticapted and vistied, and SR is 6. Just think how crazy everything will get when pics and trailers are released when their is nothing right now and its already at #1

[Ions]

Whether that lasts after the news and character pics are released is another. Interest will stay high when there's a black out and people are salivating for news.

[Specter313]

I think Lightning's earlier theory may indeed be working. Them not giving out much at all is creating even more anticipation than giving out a ton of stuff like Superman.

[the a1ant]

very cool. :)

[Retroman]

Cool to hear. I don't understand why people want Superman and Ghost Rider to fail. I want all of them to be good ánd to do well at the BO.

[snwboarder88]

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808490829

thats the site with x3 on it. Its not updated very often but it has stuff that goes way back from first rumors.

[Angry Sentinel]

I think Lightning's earlier theory may indeed be working. Them not giving out much at all is creating even more anticipation than giving out a ton of stuff like Superman. As noted several times X3 is a sequel, it creates it's own buzz mostly because people have already seen it's predecessors(not to mention that X2 had a cliff hanger of sorts) and anxiously await the next installment(s). The same cannot be said for SR. The only ones anxiously awaiting the movie are fanboys and old movie goers. They have to get the word out and stir up some curiosity for a property that has been away from the silver screen for almost 20 years.

My point is X3 may not need the official clips and things because it wouldnt hurt it one way or the other. People are gonna go see a sequel to a movie they liked even with bad "critical" reviews.

[snwboarder88]

i dont want them to fail, just not do as good as x3, specialy with the fox vs. wb. vs. ratner vs. singer deal. it makes it more intresting

[green]

From Gregs Movie Previews from Yahoomovies.com

Most Visited PreviewsMonday November 141. X3: X-Men 3 (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808490829)2. Spider-Man 3 (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808496333)3. Rocky VI (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808405668)4. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808475609)5. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808475611)6. Superman Returns (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808406108)7. Batman: Year One (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808403071)8. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808556812)9. Halo (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808750180)10. Jurassic Park IV (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808404704)11. Iron Man (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808404573)12. The Fast and the Furious 3 (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808497482)13. Batman vs. Superman (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808417349)14. King Kong (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808505211)15. Indiana Jones 4 (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808404509)16. Brokeback Mountain (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808403311)17. Casino Royale (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808476049)18. Underworld: Evolution (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808643050)19. The Blood Diamond (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808405243)20. The Passion of the Clerks (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808594446)


People that are saying that x3 has no fan following or general buzz from people are wrong. X3 has already established itself as a successfull franchise so they dont need pics, trailers, to start the buzz. from the day x2 came out the buzz on the 3rd xmen movie started. Its funny how people view x3 as a movie that will be dominated by SR, but as the most anticaapted and vistied movie sties above show x3 is the #1 most anticapted and vistied, and SR is 6. Just think how crazy everything will get when pics and trailers are released when their is nothing right now and its already at #1


No offense but it's kinda hard to take that list seriously when several of the movies on it arent even in production or going to be.

[snwboarder88]

its still all about anticapated upcoming movies how is that not serious?

[bosef982]

We'll see. Wait until tomorrow. After Superman Returns previews -- then we shall see.

Also, picking one website is high unreliable.

[lazerustheduck]

No offense but it's kinda hard to take that list seriously when several of the movies on it arent even in production or going to be.
Anticipation has nothing to do with production.

[Angry Sentinel]

i dont want them to fail, just not do as good as x3, specialy with the fox vs. wb. vs. ratner vs. singer deal. it makes it more intresting I dont think they will fail. Even if the final result is that the mainstream audiences dont like SR, they will only decide this after going to see it.... It's Superman! The originator of the big screen comic hero success. I was just saying that they need an active promotional style. They have to get the word out that Superman has returned. Othewise, believe it or not, there are a lot of people who won't know, and would've potentially went to see it. The box office does not want that, they don't want to miss out on one red dime!

[snwboarder88]

We'll see. Wait until tomorrow. After Superman Returns previews -- then we shall see.

Also, picking one website is high unreliable.

true but i picked the biggest news and entertainment website...yahoo, so i bet thats vistied more than a pole of at say rottentomatoes

[Jan Irisi]

Rocky VI is on that list? I'd like to meet the people who are actually anticipating that film.

[Angry Sentinel]

Rocky VI is on that list? I'd like to meet the people who are actually anticipating that film. sly's mom and all her kinfolk!:up:

[bosef982]

true but i picked the biggest news and entertainment website...yahoo, so i bet thats vistied more than a pole of at say rottentomatoes


How about Google, Firefox, Mozilla, and all the others. Not to mention AOL, Earthlink searches.


And to say that you want Superman NOT to do as good as X-Men 3 -- come on. I could care less who does better -- part of me wants X3 to be a slap in the face to Fox. However, we've discussed this ad nausem.

Superman is a much wider and caterable product than X-Men could ever hope to be. Any kid can grasp what's going on in Superman -- X-Men is more cerebral and may not be appreciated. Also, as I said, after tomorrow's Superman teaser trailer hits, I think you're going to see something very interesting begin.

Alot of people still don't know that Superman is being made. Once they find out, they will be there, in throves, lines and lines of people -- all ages. Think, X-Men doesn't cater to that older middle-aged male and female crowd as much as Superman can. People who were young with Superman The Movie came out will go and see this. Trust me, if you are banking on Superman doing worse than X3, then go cry and prepare to be dissappointed. I just don't see that happening at all.

Also, as someone said, that list is so outdated and incorrect.

Iron Man's been dropped.

Batman Year One's techincally already been made.

Rocky IV hasn't even hit production and still has a chance of never being made.

Fast and the Furious 3 hasn't started.

And Brokeback Mountain is in December of 2005, not 2006.

So yeah, reliability all the way there.

[lazerustheduck]

Rocky VI is on that list? I'd like to meet the people who are actually anticipating that film.
I think they are the same person who voted bush.

[snwboarder88]

How about Google, Firefox, Mozilla, and all the others. Not to mention AOL, Earthlink searches.


And to say that you want Superman NOT to do as good as X-Men 3 -- come on. I could care less who does better -- part of me wants X3 to be a slap in the face to Fox. However, we've discussed this ad nausem.

Superman is a much wider and caterable product than X-Men could ever hope to be. Any kid can grasp what's going on in Superman -- X-Men is more cerebral and may not be appreciated. Also, as I said, after tomorrow's Superman teaser trailer hits, I think you're going to see something very interesting begin.

Alot of people still don't know that Superman is being made. Once they find out, they will be there, in throves, lines and lines of people -- all ages. Think, X-Men doesn't cater to that older middle-aged male and female crowd as much as Superman can. People who were young with Superman The Movie came out will go and see this. Trust me, if you are banking on Superman doing worse than X3, then go cry and prepare to be dissappointed. I just don't see that happening at all.

Also, as someone said, that list is so outdated and incorrect.

Iron Man's been dropped.

Batman Year One's techincally already been made.

Rocky IV hasn't even hit production and still has a chance of never being made.

Fast and the Furious 3 hasn't started.

And Brokeback Mountain is in December of 2005, not 2006.

So yeah, reliability all the way there.

again its the most anticapted and visited sites...so it doesnt matter what movies are on their, if its friken snow white, its the most vistied and anticiapted. and x3 is #1...how can you deny that?

[snwboarder88]

How about Google, Firefox, Mozilla, and all the others. Not to mention AOL, Earthlink searches.


And to say that you want Superman NOT to do as good as X-Men 3 -- come on. I could care less who does better -- part of me wants X3 to be a slap in the face to Fox. However, we've discussed this ad nausem.

Superman is a much wider and caterable product than X-Men could ever hope to be. Any kid can grasp what's going on in Superman -- X-Men is more cerebral and may not be appreciated. Also, as I said, after tomorrow's Superman teaser trailer hits, I think you're going to see something very interesting begin.

Alot of people still don't know that Superman is being made. Once they find out, they will be there, in throves, lines and lines of people -- all ages. Think, X-Men doesn't cater to that older middle-aged male and female crowd as much as Superman can. People who were young with Superman The Movie came out will go and see this. Trust me, if you are banking on Superman doing worse than X3, then go cry and prepare to be dissappointed. I just don't see that happening at all.

Also, as someone said, that list is so outdated and incorrect.

Iron Man's been dropped.

Batman Year One's techincally already been made.

Rocky IV hasn't even hit production and still has a chance of never being made.

Fast and the Furious 3 hasn't started.

And Brokeback Mountain is in December of 2005, not 2006.

So yeah, reliability all the way there.

as of right now...i do. i hate the way singer has made the film look old and i hate the superman suit and general feel for the movie, him jumping ship aside, im just not excited about it. so yes, i hope x3 does better

[Jan Irisi]

Deep down, I have the hope that the film does better too. My reasons? Simply because as soon as Singer jumped and went on to Superman, it seems that everyone felt this film was doomed. This is happening still. All the "Ratner's a hack" and "the writers are hacks" and "the production is rushed so it will suck".....Deep down, I want this film to prove people wrong, to prove that despite all the roadblocks and problems the film had getting off the ground, those who made it and those who were in it managed to pull it off.

[bosef982]

Deep down, I have the hope that the film does better too. My reasons? Simply because as soon as Singer jumped and went on to Superman, it seems that everyone felt this film was doomed. This is happening still. All the "Ratner's a hack" and "the writers are hacks" and "the production is rushed so it will suck".....Deep down, I want this film to prove people wrong, to prove that despite all the roadblocks and problems the film had getting off the ground, those who made it and those who were in it managed to pull it off.


When will people get the clue that Singer NEVER JUMPED SHIP! Fox FIRED him. Rothman and Singer did not get along. Singer wanted to the X-film now! Rothman wanted to delay and was dicking Singer around -- Singer had to be escorted off the Fox Studio lot, and then allowed back in to work on Fox's "House" pilot.

Seriously, get the facts straight.

[Lightning Strykez!]

X3 will lose it's pole position in a matter of days. Superman Returns AKA Red Sun will leap to No.1 after the trailer premieres this week.

[snwboarder88]

oh sorry we didnt know you were Singers PR

[Lightning Strykez!]

When will people get the clue that Singer NEVER JUMPED SHIP! Fox FIRED him. Rothman and Singer did not get along. Singer wanted to the X-film now! Rothman wanted to delay and was dicking Singer around -- Singer had to be escorted off the Fox Studio lot, and then allowed back in to work on Fox's "House" pilot.

Seriously, get the facts straight.


That's not entirely true Bosef. There was a lot more to that situation than what you alluded to above. Bryan had already made certain alliances prior to leaving.

[Jan Irisi]

Frankly, I don't care if Singer was fired or quit or consulted an astrologer that told him to do Superman instead of X3, okay?

And I'd appreciate it if you didn't jump down my throat like that.

[Electrix]

:D

I like this :up:

[GNR]

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[Mistopurr83]

We'll see. Wait until tomorrow. After Superman Returns previews -- then we shall see.

Also, picking one website is high unreliable.

Your so right about that.

[danoyse]

You have to realize too that not every single person reads or posts on message boards regarding the movie every day either. Most probably don't even realize that there's a new director--or who directed the first 2 movies in the first place.

They have lives.

(and I mean that in the nicest way possible, after all...I read these boards too)

But seriously, I had the teaser poster up on my computer, and one of my friends saw it and said "COOL!" He doesn't read these things, he could care less. And he's probably better for it.

[bosef982]

You have to realize too that not every single person reads or posts on message boards regarding the movie every day either. Most probably don't even realize that there's a new director--or who directed the first 2 movies in the first place.

They have lives.

(and I mean that in the nicest way possible, after all...I read these boards too)

But seriously, I had the teaser poster up on my computer, and one of my friends saw it and said "COOL!" He doesn't read these things, he could care less. And he's probably better for it.


Yes, I don't have a life. Quite right. Seriously, just becuase you say you say it "nicely" doesn't change the fact that its offensive and uncalled for.

That's like me calling you a name, but saying..."oh, I said it nicely."

And it's become common knowledge to many that Fox blew it with Singer, not the other way around. They dropped the ball.

And Jan, I wasn't jumping down your throat...I was more talking to Snowboard.

But seriously, someone who comes on here and tells another poster that they don't have a life is dead to me. It takes a preponderance of ignorance in order to judge someone you have never seen or met as having no life. Considering that, for instance, that person may work two jobs, go to school full time, and this could perhaps be his way of winding down at the end of the day. Everyone has something they do to pass the time. For some, it's a TV show, for others it's online Pogo, yet others -- like myself -- read, and many more post on boards, play video games, work out, or what not. To come on here and assign a value to either one of any activity is pure ignorance and is just crossing a line where you not only become rude, but plain idiotic as well. To be blind to such a comparison and the likeliness of those activities just...stupifies me. Especially when someone's going to take a stab at patronizing and say they're phrasing it "nicely." I'll do no such thing when I identify your ignorance in making such a comment. Really, people on these boards should be above such blindsided, simplistic, narrow-minded judgements.

[sebaa]

cool!!! this is one or is the more anticipated movie of 2006!!! that ROCKS!! JAAJ cme on x3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Specter313]

That's not entirely true Bosef. There was a lot more to that situation than what you alluded to above. Bryan had already made certain alliances prior to leaving.

That's true. Brian, in his own words during a magazine interview with Wizard, said that he did not like the way things were going with X3 and especially that they had to have it by a certain date, so he went ahead and signed for SR, and Fox asked him to leave soon after that.

[xwolverine2]

I DONT NEED YAHOO MOVIES TO TELL ME that X3 will rock ass

[Milkman95]

Rocky VI is on that list? I'd like to meet the people who are actually anticipating that film.

Me. Those films are great and about a never ending battle of being the underdog and overcoming great odds.........

[Downhere]

I DONT NEED YAHOO MOVIES TO TELL ME that X3 will rock ass

Here, here.

[Angry Sentinel]

Hey bosef, I know your remark in general was to respond to the person (Danoyse) about saying something negative "nicely", but you do realize Danoyse was probably not talking to you. In fact I would read that post as talking to the person who posted the YAHOO list (snowboarder). Basically saying that the list wouldnt include tons of people's opinions that dont post on message boards and keep up with the production of a film on the internet, much less vote about their anticipation of one. So it (the list) would be pretty moot!

[danoyse]

Yes, I don't have a life. Quite right. Seriously, just becuase you say you say it "nicely" doesn't change the fact that its offensive and uncalled for.

That's like me calling you a name, but saying..."oh, I said it nicely."

But seriously, someone who comes on here and tells another poster that they don't have a life is dead to me. It takes a preponderance of ignorance in order to judge someone you have never seen or met as having no life. Considering that, for instance, that person may work two jobs, go to school full time, and this could perhaps be his way of winding down at the end of the day. Everyone has something they do to pass the time. For some, it's a TV show, for others it's online Pogo, yet others -- like myself -- read, and many more post on boards, play video games, work out, or what not. To come on here and assign a value to either one of any activity is pure ignorance and is just crossing a line where you not only become rude, but plain idiotic as well. To be blind to such a comparison and the likeliness of those activities just...stupifies me. Especially when someone's going to take a stab at patronizing and say they're phrasing it "nicely." I'll do no such thing when I identify your ignorance in making such a comment. Really, people on these boards should be above such blindsided, simplistic, narrow-minded judgements.


OK, since I'm dead to you, you probably won't hear this...but CHILL OUT.

It was joke. You may have noticed I was dissing myself as well. And I not only have a life, I posted that while I was at work this afternoon.

My point was that while there was all this fury over the alleged leaked script or whatever it was on AICN, and what certain fanboys feel over the director switch...most people don't even realize that this stuff was going on. They don't read message boards or movie sites.

I used my friend as an example...he's a fan, but not enough to read the sites or check out message boards. He saw the poster, thought it was cool, and will more than likely happily check out the movie next summer.

It doesn't mean he has a life and you don't. It just means there are different kinds of fans.

"They have lives" was meant in the same spirit as the infamous William Shatner SNL skit from years ago. Check it out, it's quite funny.

And believe me, I've been a Star Wars fan for 28 years...I'm well aware of the implications of "Get a life" commentators. I would never meaningly accuse that of another fan.

But I do believe we can all have a sense of humor about these things as well. :)

[Ben Troupe]

X3 is going to rock but there's more of a unknown factor w/Ghost Rider and I can't wait for Punisher 2. Marvel fans are going to have a fun years! Then all the animated movies too! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[Kmack]

Not the Singer debate again:rolleyes:

Anyhow, its great to see X3 getting more hits on Yahoo's movie site than any other film:eek::up:

[Ben Troupe]

Singer started the franchise off very well but Ratner has more passion behind these characters as a fan.

[Downhere]

Not the Singer debate again:rolleyes:

Anyhow, its great to see X3 getting more hits on Yahoo's movie site than any other film:eek::up:

True that...:up:

[Weadazoid]

I have actualy brought up this subject in the past.

X Men 3 has been a long running champion of yahoo movies previews section.

It definatly seems to be a movie preview everyone jumps in and looks for news.

It has had a very very long stay at number 1 being bumped off occaisionaly by new anouncements like Rocky or big news from Spiderman 3 but it always rises back up to number 1 status.


The only other movie I have seen to make such a long run was Star Wars films in general

X men 3 may be ALOT bigger then anyone is expecting a huge fan base now awaits the 3 rd chapter in this amazing sereis of comic book films brought to life

I have always said it can very easily make it 300 Million this summer, mainly because not much competiton is lined up after the X3 release, meaning it may not only have a huge opeing weekedn but a huge amount of time to dominate at number 1.

[Kanon]

We'll see. Wait until tomorrow. After Superman Returns previews -- then we shall see.
That's just silly. We could also say "wait until the X3 teaser"... Imagine the anticipation for each movie then...

[CapBeerCino]

It has been #1 for months now. When ever I go to SHH I use the link in yahoo! movies. Just my way to show support...

[Weadazoid]

Superman and X 3 have had equal bits of news released on yahoo movies.

Superman has sliped all the way down to number 7.

Spiderman 3 is back up to number 2

wierd

[snwboarder88]

even after supermans trailer coming out its still not number 1 over at yahoo. Funny how x3 still has nothing to show for it and superman has tones of images, trailer, out and its still not the most vistied page on yahoo.

[true316]

I actually wrote about this on another thread. I think there is a slight misconception about those yahoo numbers. I think the list with X-men on top is for Greg's Preview's. If you go to yahoo's movie page and click on box office you will see on the left box office results for current movies. On the right you will see something called web favorites. It says: "This charts below measure searches and clicks across Yahoo! movies to determine popularity." Superman is #1 there! I honestly think both movies will do great. I expect X-men to get on the list when the teaser is released.

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/boxoffice...YDNrE1vC5fVXcA

Actually X3 isn't on the list yet. I expect it to get there when the teaser is released. I think it bodes well for superhero movies that Superman is so far away and is still getting more searches than movies that are coming out next month! :)

[bgshw44]

actuallyyyyyyyyyyyyyy......

The charts below measure searches and clicks across Yahoo! Movies to determine popularity. ALL RANKINGS AS OF 11/27/2005 Top Movies1. Superman Returns (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1807839024&intl=us)2. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1808475610&intl=us)3. Rent (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1808405627&intl=us)4. Walk the Line (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1808628394&intl=us)5. The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1808475642&intl=us)6. Just Friends (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1808716093&intl=us)7. Pride and Prejudice (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1808657001&intl=us)8. King Kong (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1808505212&intl=us)9. The Ice Harvest (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1808628764&intl=us)10. Aeon Flux (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1808551930&intl=us)and there is still 7 months to go! Its all about the man, hes backhttp://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/images/smilies/superhero/superman.gif:supes:

[Electrix]

The X-Men 3 hype will begin soon...just you wait Mr. Underpants!

[Lightning Strykez!]

actuallyyyyyyyyyyyyyy......

Its all about the man, hes backhttp://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/images/smilies/superhero/superman.gif:supes:

Greg's Previews features sections devoted to upcoming popular films. The numerical listing there determines which of those pages are visited the most by fans looking for updates. So it's hardly an indication of anything except that most people are clamoring for news on X3 right now.

By the way: I wouldn't be gloating about the Man Of Steel right now--that WB film's teaser isn't exactly garnering the hottest response OUTSIDE the realms of fanboys. :o

[Maze]

Well i visit a lot of site about cinema,(and i work on a french site too , Allo ciné) and the answer is good in majority..not a lot of fanboys on this sites you know..(and personnaly i have loved the superman teaser and i'm not a great fan of him)

[Milkman95]

^Which is usually the case with any comic book film adaptation. The BB teaser and the FF teaser didn't do much with the general public either. The trailer is the deciding factor. Wouldn't you agree?

I loved the SR teaser and I'm sure I'll love the X3 one as well. Looking very forward to the X3 teaser.........

[Maze]

lol edit :yup

[StevieNicks1988]

Yes, the Batman one's were brilliant. I went to see it multiple times just to catch people's reactions and through-out it they were like "Ooooh, this movie looks cool, but wtf is it?" and at the end when the teaser showed Batman, everyone sort've gasped and a lot of times, the theater errupted in whispers. Hopefully, X3 has that affect, where people will be talking about it a lot after they've seen it.

[Maze]

Well now that you say it , i think your right..

It was not as popular with fanboys , not the general public..

and the same is happening with the Superman teaser.(from what i know)

Hopefull , the General public has that effect yes..:) :up:

[Seen]

By the way: I wouldn't be gloating about the Man Of Steel right now--that WB film's teaser isn't exactly garnering the hottest response OUTSIDE the realms of fanboys. :o

Sources? I've been to several other websites (TrekBBS, Batman-On-Film, BatmanFanFilms, BlueTights, ComingSoon! Boards) and talked with several other people about the new Superman trailer and they all say it looks incredible.

Then I show them the X3 teaser site and they're like, "Umm..that's it? Lame!".

[Jan Irisi]

But the teaser site is not the teaser trailer. Difference.

[Seen]

But the teaser site is not the teaser trailer. Difference.

So? At the time I showed it to people it said "teaser trailer" (that was later updated to "teaser site"). And it doesn't matter...it's all about the presentation, and SR clearly got the better impression.

[Jan Irisi]

It still is not the teaser trailer. The teaser which we will see soon. Then we can judge which made the better impression. You are comparing apples and oranges here.

[Seen]

It still is not the teaser trailer. The teaser which we will see soon. Then we can judge which made the better impression. You are comparing apples and oranges here.

So? It's media released that represents X3. Does it have to be the teaser trailer? Besides, at first it even said that, so it definitely got people thinking it was.

Unfortunately when I showed that to them it just weakened their interest in the film -- and a lot of the message boards I frequent have been liking the project less and less, with the arrival of Ratner, the complete change of crew, and all of this rumors of characters dying and what not.

Of course I'll show them the "teaser trailer" (or is it the second teaser trailer?) when it debuts but that's hopefully if I can persuade them to watch it, since they were pretty discouraged with what I showed them.

[Maze]

So? At the time I showed it to people it said "teaser trailer" (that was later updated to "teaser site"). And it doesn't matter...it's all about the presentation, and SR clearly got the better impression.

To my knowledge, only Harry Knowles said on his ain't it cool news title about this subject that it was a teaser trailer (his only mistake imo..even if i find him too extreme with the X3 production , that's his opinion, ..and he got a lot of points)

anyways , i fear that the Superman one will be the best of the two , yes , but we'll see..

[Jan Irisi]

Again, it is only fair to compare teaser to teaser, and not teaser site to teaser trailer. It was a mistake to call it a teaser trailer and they corrected it.

[Seen]

^^The website called it a teaser trailer and during that time it got a lot of people thinking that it was. It was a poor move on FOX's part and it definitely got people confused.

[Jan Irisi]

It was a mistake. Pure and simple, and they corrected the mistake.

[Maze]

i don't remember that at all..and,i was here at the moment the website teaser unveiled..

but,anyways, now everybody know the truth , so..

[Maze]

It was a mistake. Pure and simple, and they corrected the mistake.

yup ,so if that's the case ,then that would explain maybe harry knowles move..

[Jan Irisi]

yup , if that's the case ,then that would explain maybe harry knowles move..

And if I recall correctly, quite a few of his talk-backers pointed out the fact that it was not the teaser trailer, despite what it temporarily said, it was a teaser site.

[Lightning Strykez!]

^^The website called it a teaser trailer and during that time it got a lot of people thinking that it was. It was a poor move on FOX's part and it definitely got people confused.


You are blowing a very minute, size 1 fonted detail (that was up for only a few hours) way out of proportion. Now, if you really want to "take it there" with regards to comparing the two teaser sites, we can certainly do so--but I don't think you want to go there. :cool: Trust me.:o


Sources? I've been to several other websites (TrekBBS, Batman-On-Film, BatmanFanFilms, BlueTights, ComingSoon! Boards) and talked with several other people about the new Superman trailer and they all say it looks incredible.

Then I show them the X3 teaser site and they're like, "Umm..that's it? Lame!".

:rolleyes:

That's hardly conclusive as those sites you've mentioned above are populated by fanboys--a group who is obviously going to be jaded from the get-go.

I am referring to general audiences aka the mainstream. That teaser trailer has NOT struck the same chord there. The reaction has been lukewarm at best. Besides, as one who has seen the SR teaser on the big screen twice now amidst general audiences, I can vouch for it myself personally.

Sadly, even my own 60-year old father said "That kinda sucks" and my father is not one given to slang terminologies i.e. "suck". And he is a major Supes fan. So go figure.

[sebaa]

Coool! The Most Anticipated Movie!1 I Hope That Rocks!!! In The Box Office!!

[Milkman95]

You are blowing a very minute, size 1 fonted detail (that was up for only a few hours) way out of proportion. Now, if you really want to "take it there" with regards to comparing the two teaser sites, we can certainly do so--but I don't think you want to go there. :cool: Trust me.:o

:rolleyes:

That's hardly conclusive as those sites you've mentioned above are populated by fanboys--a group who is obviously going to be jaded from the get-go.

I am referring to general audiences aka the mainstream. That teaser trailer has NOT struck the same chord there. The reaction has been lukewarm at best. Besides, as one who has seen the SR teaser on the big screen twice now amidst general audiences, I can vouch for it myself personally.

Sadly, even my own 60-year old father said "That kinda sucks" and my father is not one given to slang terminologies i.e. "suck". And he is a major Supes fan. So go figure.

Again, I guess it matters who you talk to and obviously the audience you're sitting with. I've seen the SR teaser twice in theaters and it got good reaction. When Marlon Brando's voice came on, I literally got chills - especially at the end. If you're not a Donner fan, then you have a legitimate reason not to be excited. You'll have to wait for the trailer instead. Not only is it a fantastic teaser (better than the BB one and the FF one) it has been received well also - at least from what I've read and heard.

I have high hopes for the X3 teaser as well, so it should be interesting simply because both of these films haven't had the most positive start, so we'll see. Can't wait to see Kelsey..........

[bgshw44]

Greg's Previews features sections devoted to upcoming popular films. The numerical listing there determines which of those pages are visited the most by fans looking for updates. So it's hardly an indication of anything except that most people are clamoring for news on X3 right now.

By the way: I wouldn't be gloating about the Man Of Steel right now--that WB film's teaser isn't exactly garnering the hottest response OUTSIDE the realms of fanboys. :o

Umm who outside of fanboys actually talks about movies that are 7 moths from being released. Oh, by the way, where is Xmens teaser trailer, thats right you arent getting one because Fox is gonna butcher this movie like the salkyns did when they fired Donner.

[Seen]

You are blowing a very minute, size 1 fonted detail (that was up for only a few hours) way out of proportion. Now, if you really want to "take it there" with regards to comparing the two teaser sites, we can certainly do so--but I don't think you want to go there. :cool: Trust me.:o

I wasn't impressed with the X3 teaser site, actually. Neither were any of my friends that I showed it to them -- at first they were expecting a teaser or actual footage, and then it was typically nothing and they were disappointed.

That response has been echoed on several other message boards that I frequent also.

That's hardly conclusive as those sites you've mentioned above are populated by fanboys--a group who is obviously going to be jaded from the get-go.

I am referring to general audiences aka the mainstream. That teaser trailer has NOT struck the same chord there. The reaction has been lukewarm at best. Besides, as one who has seen the SR teaser on the big screen twice now amidst general audiences, I can vouch for it myself personally.

Our responses are just as jaded then, since we're posting at a message board.

But I know you're going to "vouch" for your opinion -- I know your stance on SR. And quite opposite from your experiences, not strangely, I've been greeted to stellar reactions from the SR trailer -- not just from message board posters or personal friends but to many people in the theatre. As a big Harry Potter fan who's seen the film at least four times since release, the theatre reaction was immense -- cheering, gasps, clapping and much smiling.

Sadly, even my own 60-year old father said "That kinda sucks" and my father is not one given to slang terminologies i.e. "suck". And he is a major Supes fan. So go figure.

Well, with all due respect I doubt 60 year-old fathers will be the target audience for SR. He's probably an oldboy purist, and like many they are quick to discredit the film for obvious reasons (The suit sucks! Routh looks too young! Blah blah blah!).

[Jan Irisi]

Umm who outside of fanboys actually talks about movies that are 7 moths from being released. Oh, by the way, where is Xmens teaser trailer, thats right you arent getting one because Fox is gonna butcher this movie like the salkyns did when they fired Donner.


Um, this is borderline trolling. You seem like you are trying to incite something here, and frankly, we aren't biting. So please, tone down your posts or just leave, ok?

[Angry Sentinel]

Umm who outside of fanboys actually talks about movies that are 7 moths from being released. Oh, by the way, where is Xmens teaser trailer, thats right you arent getting one because Fox is gonna butcher this movie like the salkyns did when they fired Donner. GOD... I HOPE YOUR WRONG!!!

If I've said it once I'll say it again, the suits at FOX concerns me more than anything else about this movie.

[Seen]

^Word.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Um, this is borderline trolling. You seem like you are trying to incite something here, and frankly, we aren't biting. So please, tone down your posts or just leave, ok?


How did I miss his post? You know I love me some trolls.


"Where are thou bgshw44? Come hither so I might smite thee...."


:cool:

[Maze]

And if I recall correctly, quite a few of his talk-backers pointed out the fact that it was not the teaser trailer, despite what it temporarily said, it was a teaser site.

totally..

And he corrected his mistake in his talkback ( without apologies , which was rather rude imo..for him it seem that you needed to assume that it was not a teaser..)

[Maze]

GOD... I HOPE YOUR WRONG!!!

If I've said it once I'll say it again, the suits at FOX concerns me more than anything else about this movie.

Me too.

[The Original Bamfer]

GOD... I HOPE YOUR WRONG!!!

If I've said it once I'll say it again, the suits at FOX concerns me more than anything else about this movie.

I don't think they clash that badly with the wall colors... Now, their ties could be updated... wait. What? Oh... :confused:... :o

[Jan Irisi]

How did I miss his post? You know I love me some trolls.


"Where are thou bgshw44? Come hither so I might smite thee...."


:cool:

I would have, but my smite button is on the fritz.

[Maze]

[B]

Sadly, even my own 60-year old father said "That kinda sucks" and my father is not one given to slang terminologies i.e. "suck". And he is a major Supes fan. So go figure.

That's what you don't understand : ok maybe in your theater , the superman teaser had a lukewarm answer , but but from what i know , the general public is answering very well to the teaser.. and it had a lukewarm answer generally with a lot of fanboys.


again , i am not a fan of superman ( not a major one at all events , and i loved it)

[Jan Irisi]

That's what you don't understand , yep the teaser had a lukewarm anwser with the fanboys.

but from what i know , the general public is answering very well to the teaser..

The reaction is mixed, with all segments of the population. As I said elsewhere, I saw it and the people I saw it with were more excited and enthusiastic about the teaser for Happy Feet. Some like it, others are more meh about it.

[Seen]

The reaction wasn't mixed. With regular audiences it was very spectactular and with most fans it had them foaming at the mouth. Only the typical die-hard purists were complaining.

[Maze]

well from the movie site that i visit,(a lot) and from the word on the street that i know the answer is very good.

look at the superman place on yahoo poll anwyays , that's not gratuitous..
And that's not a fanboy place ..

[Lightning Strykez!]

I wasn't impressed with the X3 teaser site, actually. Neither were any of my friends that I showed it to them -- at first they were expecting a teaser or actual footage, and then it was typically nothing and they were disappointed.

That response has been echoed on several other message boards that I frequent also.

Has it indeed? That's very interesting, as I've yet to see similiar responses. The X3 site if I recall, had moving graphics, orchestral-themed music, and a video reminding people of the point where the next film will start from.

In stark contrast, Superman Returns' teaser page was just a single page with the logo on it. :supes:

















And that's it.

And yet, you state the X3's site was "typically nothing?" Mmmhmm. Let's play fair. :cool:



Our responses are just as jaded then, since we're posting at a message board.

But I know you're going to "vouch" for your opinion -- I know your stance on SR. And quite opposite from your experiences, not strangely, I've been greeted to stellar reactions from the SR trailer -- not just from message board posters or personal friends but to many people in the theatre. As a big Harry Potter fan who's seen the film at least four times since release, the theatre reaction was immense -- cheering, gasps, clapping and much smiling.

Actually, I don't believe you are acquainted with my stance on Superman Returns. You may be alluding to my opinion of its director--but in actuality I am a big Supes fan. I own all of the Reeve films, about a dozen Superman and Supergirl comics and even the cornfest that is theLois & Clark DVD series. :rolleyes: So I want this Red Sun film to work.

So when I say the audience reaction here has been lukewarm from what I've seen--such views are not being twisted and coerced by some personal bias of mine, or some demented desire to see said film fail. I'm being honest with my observations. Are you?



Well, with all due respect I doubt 60 year-old fathers will be the target audience for SR. He's probably an oldboy purist, and like many they are quick to discredit the film for obvious reasons (The suit sucks! Routh looks too young! Blah blah blah!).

Excuse me?

If Warner Brothers and Singer are wise they better find a way to draw those "oldboy" "60 year-old fathers" to that franchise. Let us not forget, that a large section of the core Superman fan audience is comprised of older fanboys, whether they are Reeve fans or not. Many of the critics who will praise or slam that film next summer will also be of that same generation.

Therefore, to arbitrarily dismiss such mainstay fans would be asking for an unmitigated disaster...a risk that obviously Bryan & Co. appear to be willing to take. God's speed to them...

[Lightning Strykez!]

I wasn't impressed with the X3 teaser site, actually. Neither were any of my friends that I showed it to them -- at first they were expecting a teaser or actual footage, and then it was typically nothing and they were disappointed.

That response has been echoed on several other message boards that I frequent also.

Has it indeed? That's very interesting, as I've yet to see similiar responses. The X3 site if I recall, had moving graphics, orchestral-themed music, and a video reminding people of the point where the next film will start from.

In stark contrast, Superman Returns' teaser page was just a single page with the logo on it. :supes:

















And that's it.

And yet, you state the X3's site was "typically nothing?" Mmmhmm. Let's play fair. :cool:



Our responses are just as jaded then, since we're posting at a message board.

But I know you're going to "vouch" for your opinion -- I know your stance on SR. And quite opposite from your experiences, not strangely, I've been greeted to stellar reactions from the SR trailer -- not just from message board posters or personal friends but to many people in the theatre. As a big Harry Potter fan who's seen the film at least four times since release, the theatre reaction was immense -- cheering, gasps, clapping and much smiling.

Actually, I don't believe you are acquainted with my stance on Superman Returns. You may be alluding to my opinion of its director--but in actuality I am a big Supes fan. I own all of the Reeve films, about a dozen Superman and Supergirl comics and even the cornfest that is theLois & Clark DVD series. :rolleyes: So I want this Red Sun film to work.

So when I say the audience reaction here has been lukewarm from what I've seen--such views are not being twisted and coerced by some personal bias of mine, or some demented desire to see said film fail. I'm being honest with my observations. Are you?



Well, with all due respect I doubt 60 year-old fathers will be the target audience for SR. He's probably an oldboy purist, and like many they are quick to discredit the film for obvious reasons (The suit sucks! Routh looks too young! Blah blah blah!).

Excuse me?

If Warner Brothers and Singer are wise they better find a way to draw those "oldboy" "60 year-old fathers" to that franchise. Let us not forget, that a large section of the core Superman fan audience is comprised of older fanboys, whether they are Reeve fans or not. Many of the critics who will praise or slam that film next summer will also be of that same generation.

Therefore, to arbitrarily dismiss such mainstay fans would be asking for an unmitigated disaster...a risk that obviously Bryan & Co. appear to be willing to take. God's speed to them...

[Milkman95]

I have nothing against either production. The first 2 X-Men films were excellent, and I have high hopes for the 3rd film. The SR teaser gave me chills - the music, Brando, and him darting off was spectacular. Not to mention how great the cinematography looked. I'm hoping the X3 teaser does the same - with Ratner, I'm sure it will be more exciting..............

[GothicPowerMix1]

They might want to keep "The Kid" Storyline OUT of Trailers & TV Spots & any OTHER video eh ?

People hate that more then the suit :eek:

This post is a response to LS last paragraph

[Jan Irisi]

The reaction wasn't mixed. With regular audiences it was very spectactular and with most fans it had them foaming at the mouth. Only the typical die-hard purists were complaining.

Hmmm, I must be imagining what folks, normal everyday non-fanboy folks are telling me. Some liked it, some were "meh". To me, that's mixed. And I did not see any of the ones who really really liked it "foaming at the mouth". To me, that reaction screams fanboy, not regular audience member.

[Milkman95]

^Yeah, but that's usually the reaction to most teasers - not much to see, so general audiences can't really form much of an opinion. It happened with the lame X2 and Hulk teasers.........X2 turned out great, the other so-so......

I guess what I'm saying is the teaser trailer doesn't mean much except to get the word out (good or bad) that a certain film is coming within the next year or so........

[Maze]

Hmmm, I must be imagining what folks, normal everyday non-fanboy folks are telling me. Some liked it, some were "meh". To me, that's mixed. And I did not see any of the ones who really really liked it "foaming at the mouth". To me, that reaction screams fanboy, not regular audience member.

Jan, i'm sure that you saw all that , but where?

i mean you are talking about one place there?

Personnaly i know that a lot of places loved it.

[Jan Irisi]

I am talking about the one showing that I personally attended, and I have been talking to people, young and old, both in person and on the internet, of all shapes, sizes, and interests.

[Seen]

Has it indeed? That's very interesting, as I've yet to see similiar responses. The X3 site if I recall, had moving graphics, orchestral-themed music, and a video reminding people of the point where the next film will start from.

In stark contrast, Superman Returns' teaser page was just a single page with the logo on it. :supes:

















And that's it.

And yet, you state the X3's site was "typically nothing?" Mmmhmm. Let's play fair. :cool:

It was misleading. It had people thinking it was an actual teaser trailer, but in fact it was...just some re-used footage and Wolverine screaming from X2.

Yawn.

Actually, I don't believe you are acquainted with my stance on Superman Returns. You may be alluding to my opinion of its director--but in actuality I am a big Supes fan. I own all of the Reeve films, about a dozen Superman and Supergirl comics and even the cornfest that is theLois & Clark DVD series. :rolleyes: So I want this Red Sun film to work.

Funny, as I've seen you post indicating that you have little to no interest in the new Superman film.

So when I say the audience reaction here has been lukewarm from what I've seen--such views are not being twisted and coerced by some personal bias of mine, or some demented desire to see said film fail. I'm being honest with my observations. Are you?

Why wouldn't I be? Because my opinion differs from yours?

Excuse me?

Yes?

If Warner Brothers and Singer are wise they better find a way to draw those "oldboy" "60 year-old fathers" to that franchise. Let us not forget, that a large section of the core Superman fan audience is comprised of older fanboys, whether they are Reeve fans or not. Many of the critics who will praise or slam that film next summer will also be of that same generation.

The audience that makes a comic-book film successful is not drawn from actual comic-book fans, but a wide general audience.

And the usual demographic that watches action-adventure movies, such as SUPERMAN RETURNS, are mostly teenager and younger males. Old 60 year-old fanboys make up for a very miniscule amount of comic-book film's audiences, and critics are usually, for the most part, regular reviewers who judge a film soley based on the cinematic material. Fans judge it based on authencity to the source material.

Therefore, to arbitrarily dismiss such mainstay fans would be asking for an unmitigated disaster...a risk that obviously Bryan & Co. appear to be willing to take. God's speed to them...

You must not be familar with the production, as it borrows heavily from the Donner films and early Superman comics as you so nobly say are a requirement for older fanboys to enjoy the new movie.

Singer's retro approach, in not only paying homages to the George Reeves TV show, the Reeve films, and other iconic Superman stories (EXILE, KINGDOM COME, etc.), is very faithful. It also represents core elements of Superman's character and mythology in the form of Superman returning from many years aboard and having to deal with a changed world...a world very similar to our own contemporary world.

Singer isn't planning on "dissing" them, but the hardcore, old fanboy purists are in no way his main audience.

[Maze]

I am talking about the one showing that I personally attended, and I have been talking to people, young and old, both in person and on the internet, of all shapes, sizes, and interests.

ok ..

About the internet i talked with a lot of people who have a lot of different taste ,(and again i visit a lot of website) and in majority they liked it .

So ,obviously i believe you but i dunno .. ?

[Seen]

Hmmm, I must be imagining what folks, normal everyday non-fanboy folks are telling me. Some liked it, some were "meh". To me, that's mixed. And I did not see any of the ones who really really liked it "foaming at the mouth". To me, that reaction screams fanboy, not regular audience member.

I said fans were foaming at the mouth. Regular audiences were cheering, clapping and gasping. To me, that's exceptional reaction.

[Jan Irisi]

I said fans were foaming at the mouth. Regular audiences were cheering, clapping and gasping. To me, that's exceptional reaction.

And I am telling you that from personal experience as well as talking to others, that the reaction was mixed.

Maybe it is regional, or maybe it was due to the phase of the moon, or whatever, but from what I have seen and heard, people's reactions were mixed.

[Seen]

And I am telling you that from personal experience as well as talking to others, that the reaction was mixed.

Maybe it is regional, or maybe it was due to the phase of the moon, or whatever, but from what I have seen and heard, people's reactions were mixed.

Watch it there. ;)

[Weadazoid]

wow....

If the back and forth DC(Superman) vs Marvel (X Men) tripe is this bad right now..........


THINK OF HOW MUCH FUN it is going to be in say.... APRIL...


ahhh I love these boards, not that I would encourage flameing or trolling, but I like the confrontational power two superhoer movies create.


Kind a reminds me of the Rock vs Stone Cold.


Both are going to be good movies If X men makes huge amounts in the box office DC Superfans will be calling for huge amounts from Superman Returns.








On some of the subjects at hand


The Site luanch for X Men 3 was cooler then theSuperman site which was ..pretty plane, most realized it was a teaser site not a site for a teaser trailer


The Superman returns Trailer showed off cinematography... and it looked pretty cool IMO

The X men Trialer will be dubed by hardcore Superman fans as playing to the lowest comon denominator..... that it is all action and blows the X mens wad so to speak to early.

X fans are gonna love it, it is going to be nashing high quality fighting and the stuff we have all been waitning for.

X men fans say the Superman trailer is boreing


Superman fans are going to say the X men trailer is cheep eye candy



The lines are being formed in the sad now

WAR

breaks out in March and April...bank on it!

[bgshw44]

i am not trolling, i was simply going after those who were attacking superman, at least my claims have merit.

[Slim_X]

It was misleading. It had people thinking it was an actual teaser trailer, but in fact it was...just some re-used footage and Wolverine screaming from X2.

Yawn.

:confused: That was never intended to be a teaser trailer, it was just the intro to the teaser site.

[Maze]

wow....

If the back and forth DC(Superman) vs Marvel (X Men) tripe is this bad right now..........


THINK OF HOW MUCH FUN it is going to be in say.... APRIL...


ahhh I love these boards, not that I would encourage flameing or trolling, but I like the confrontational power two superhoer movies create.


Kind a reminds me of the Rock vs Stone Cold.


Both are going to be good movies If X men makes huge amounts in the box office DC Superfans will be calling for huge amounts from Superman Returns.








On some of the subjects at hand


The Site luanch for X Men 3 was cooler then theSuperman site which was ..pretty plane, most realized it was a teaser site not a site for a teaser trailer


The Superman returns Trailer showed off cinematography... and it looked pretty cool IMO

The X men Trialer will be dubed by hardcore Superman fans as playing to the lowest comon denominator..... that it is all action and blows the X mens wad so to speak to early.

X fans are gonna love it, it is going to be nashing high quality fighting and the stuff we have all been waitning for.

X men fans say the Superman trailer is boreing


Superman fans are going to say the X men trailer is cheep eye candy



The lines are being formed in the sad now

WAR

breaks out in March and April...bank on it!

Well ,you have a point there will be a "war" ..when i see the comments of guys like blade shade on the superman boards i have little doubts on my minds that there will one..


But, Really? it's what you call fun?

Well to each their own..Personnally i find it kind of sad..but that's me..

By the way i am an first an Xmen Fan but i loved the Superman teaser..

so if i love the Xmen teaser (or even if i hate it) hmm it will be kind of difficult to put me in one of your lines don't you think? ;)

I hope that people will not forget that one it's only movies, two , well, to each their own ..

[Jan Irisi]

i am not trolling, i was simply going after those who were attacking superman, at least my claims have merit.

I said you were borderline trolling. Your tone in that one post made it look like you were trying to start something.

You cannot expect to enter the X-Men forum saying the things you were saying in the way you were saying without being accused of borderline trolling.

And I also don't recall anyone "attacking" Superman either. Some stated they weren't pleased by the trailer. Nobody said "Superman blowz", did they?

[Lightning Strykez!]

My friends, I apologize for my delay in response...the boards have been incredibly difficult for me to access lately and I am just now getting back on! :rolleyes:

[Neto Magnus]

I said you were borderline trolling. Your tone in that one post made it look like you were trying to start something.

You cannot expect to enter the X-Men forum saying the things you were saying in the way you were saying without being accused of borderline trolling.

And I also don't recall anyone "attacking" Superman either. Some stated they weren't pleased by the trailer. Nobody said "Superman blowz", did they?

Lol, well I kinda did.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Ahh...and so the phantom zone has been cracked. :cool:

Welcome back Lord Magnus.

[Lightning Strykez!]

It was misleading. It had people thinking it was an actual teaser trailer, but in fact it was...just some re-used footage and Wolverine screaming from X2.

Yawn.


It was not misleading in the least! If FOX was releasing a trailer there would have been a press announcment heralding it. Period. All of FOX's comic film websites have animated intros--it is not a new concept.

Anyone who was "duped" into believing that that 10 second blip was meant to be a trailer was looking to pull straws. The standard FOX teaser trailer is 1:30 seconds...and that hardly qualifies.


Funny, as I've seen you post indicating that you have little to no interest in the new Superman film.

And that lack of interest is due to the fact that it doesn't look appealing to me. It is perfectly possible to hope the best for a franchise and yet still be dissapointed with what is released as the result. That is happening here...and that reaction is shared by a great many people--it's not unique to me.



Why wouldn't I be? Because my opinion differs from yours?

No. It is because I've seen it shown on two different screens at two different theatres and the reaction was nothing like that from what I've witnessed. In fact, I just returned from the comic store tonight and you'd be dissapointed to hear the conversations about the trailer amongst the consumers there:

*The store owner said things about it that I cannot type here.

*His assistant said the costume looks like fecal matter (for lack of a better term), and that he will not see it.

*One customer said it looks "awesome" and "it's going to be a great film."

*Three other guys in the same store laughed at this, and the store owner added that fans have been telling him all week that the best part of the trailer was the Mailbox that had "Kent" displayed on the side.

That's five men who said it looked terrible. I was basically neutral--I didn't offer my opinion because I wasn't part of the convo, and another woman in the store had nothing to say about it either. And of course, we had one guy who felt it looked good. That's 5 to 1. If this is the cross section of response in this area, is it little wonder that I said the reaction has been mixed and lukewarm at best?



The audience that makes a comic-book film successful is not drawn from actual comic-book fans, but a wide general audience.

And the usual demographic that watches action-adventure movies, such as SUPERMAN RETURNS, are mostly teenager and younger males. Old 60 year-old fanboys make up for a very miniscule amount of comic-book film's audiences, and critics are usually, for the most part, regular reviewers who judge a film soley based on the cinematic material. Fans judge it based on authencity to the source material.

Miniscule? My dear, these men are the ones who introduced and predudiced their own sons and grandsons on the Donner films. We are of that generation. Only a fool would discount their impact on the bottom line. And if Superman Returns proves to be an actionless, cerebral Hulk-like feature, do you honestly believe the kiddies will be entertained enough to stick around past one showing? Like I said, WB and Singer better hope that they reach the Reeve's generation--they are going to be the biggest voices in comparing Routh to Reeve and their influence will be felt in the overall audience reception. It floors me that you would ignorantly count their impact of little value.



You must not be familar with the production, as it borrows heavily from the Donner films and early Superman comics as you so nobly say are a requirement for older fanboys to enjoy the new movie.

My voice is not well-known on the Supes board....because I have had very little to say in a positive manner about the production. But I am well aware of every development with that production. I've watched every blog and kept abreast of all updates.

And while it is clear that this SR is going to be heavily influenced by the continuity of Donner's films, my fear is that very approach may also prove to be a major achilles heel for the franchise. Why? Because as so many have said (both young and old fans--including my father :cool: ) it shows a lack of creativity and originality--especially in an era where moviegoing audiences are tiring of regurgitated remakes. As one of the guys in the comic store stated, "it looks lazy."

And we won't even mention the misgivings surrounding Mr. Routh's acting prowess.



Singer's retro approach, in not only paying homages to the George Reeves TV show, the Reeve films, and other iconic Superman stories (EXILE, KINGDOM COME, etc.), is very faithful. It also represents core elements of Superman's character and mythology in the form of Superman returning from many years aboard and having to deal with a changed world...a world very similar to our own contemporary world.

Singer isn't planning on "dissing" them, but the hardcore, old fanboy purists are in no way his main audience.

Faithful? Many would disagree with you. But we'll shall see...we shall definitely see. Ang Lee had similar goals for a certain superhero franchise he tried to launch as well.:o

[bgshw44]

I said you were borderline trolling. Your tone in that one post made it look like you were trying to start something.

You cannot expect to enter the X-Men forum saying the things you were saying in the way you were saying without being accused of borderline trolling.

And I also don't recall anyone "attacking" Superman either. Some stated they weren't pleased by the trailer. Nobody said "Superman blowz", did they?


I apologise, its just that i dont think people understand the scale of this movie, its not just a summer blockbuster, it really has the making of an epic movie

[bgshw44]

I said you were borderline trolling. Your tone in that one post made it look like you were trying to start something.

You cannot expect to enter the X-Men forum saying the things you were saying in the way you were saying without being accused of borderline trolling.

And I also don't recall anyone "attacking" Superman either. Some stated they weren't pleased by the trailer. Nobody said "Superman blowz", did they?


I apologise, its just that i dont think people understand the scale of this movie, its not just a summer blockbuster, it really has the making of an epic movie

[Lightning Strykez!]

I apologise, its just that i dont think people understand the scale of this movie, its not just a summer blockbuster, it really has the making of an epic movie


Either that, or maybe some people do "understand"...and some Supe fans are overestimating it?

As far as it being epic...let's remember, the director also helmed X1 and X2. Were they "epic" too? Leopards don't change spots miraculously you know. :cool:

[Slim_X]

Looks like by april a lot of people will be added to my near empty Ignore list :(

[YJ1]

as of right now...i do. i hate the way singer has made the film look old and i hate the superman suit and general feel for the movie, him jumping ship aside, im just not excited about it. so yes, i hope x3 does better

Same here. From casting to the leaked storyline to the teaser, Superman looks awful to me.

Not only am I anticipating X3 more, I'm counting on it to be a far better film.

[Seen]

It was not misleading in the least! If FOX was releasing a trailer there would have been a press announcment heralding it. Period. All of FOX's comic film websites have animated intros--it is not a new concept.

Sorry if not everyone is familar with FOX's schedule and how they function. And there was rumors that a teaser trailer would show on the X3 site, heck, it even SAID "teaser trailer" until it was fixed, but by then all the damage was done.

And everyone who saw it (people at TrekBBS, ComingSoon, etc.) and friends of mine all collectively agreed it was WEAK.

You can't deny that. :)

Anyone who was "duped" into believing that that 10 second blip was meant to be a trailer was looking to pull straws. The standard FOX teaser trailer is 1:30 seconds...and that hardly qualifies.

It began just like a trailer. When it was over, all of my friends and I were like "WTF?!?". Lame. And again, I'm not a FOX techo-wizard like yourself. And neither is a vast majority of the audience.

And that lack of interest is due to the fact that it doesn't look appealing to me.

You mean you are thinking people aren't interested because you simply don't like the film or don't want it to succeed?

That's where I'm getting.

It is perfectly possible to hope the best for a franchise and yet still be dissapointed with what is released as the result. That is happening here...and that reaction is shared by a great many people--it's not unique to me.

Can you list the people then? Because most people CANNOT wait for this new Superman movie...they think it will rock. Your distorted view on things, unfortunately, fall into the minority.

No. It is because I've seen it shown on two different screens at two different theatres and the reaction was nothing like that from what I've witnessed. In fact, I just returned from the comic store tonight and you'd be dissapointed to hear the conversations about the trailer amongst the consumers there:

Interesting. You don't have interest in the new Superman film...you said it doesn't appeal to you...and LOOK, you magically have subjects to back up your claims!

How predictable.


*The store owner said things about it that I cannot type here.

Why, are you afraid us board members will cry? Or get hugely upset for no apparent reason? Sounds like it.

*His assistant said the costume looks like fecal matter (for lack of a better term), and that he will not see it.

His assistant said the costume looks bad so he's not seeing the movie? That's the dumbest f.u.c.k.ing arguement I've ever heard.

If that was the case, I wouldn't have seen half if not more of Marvel's films. But I happen to judge films based on quality, not a friggin' costume. Damn, that's pathetic.

*One customer said it looks "awesome" and "it's going to be a great film."

Cool.

*Three other guys in the same store laughed at this, and the store owner added that fans have been telling him all week that the best part of the trailer was the Mailbox that had "Kent" displayed on the side.

Okay, he must not like classic Superman visuals. That's perfectly understandable. He musn't be that into Superman.

That's five men who said it looked terrible.

Great, five men. I'm totally convinced SUPERMAN RETURNS is going to suck now. Thanks!

I was basically neutral--I didn't offer my opinion because I wasn't part of the convo, and another woman in the store had nothing to say about it either. And of course, we had one guy who felt it looked good. That's 5 to 1. If this is the cross section of response in this area, is it little wonder that I said the reaction has been mixed and lukewarm at best?

So you're judging your opinion based on what five people said? When probably millions saw the trailer. Riighhttt...

Miniscule? My dear, these men are the ones who introduced and predudiced their own sons and grandsons on the Donner films. We are of that generation. Only a fool would discount their impact on the bottom line.

You know calling me "dear" was sort of creepy. I wouldn't mind "son" but "dear" just sounds...weird.

Anyway, how many millions and millions of you guys are out there? You are a generation, eh? So do you have fan clubs or anything? Do you hold conventions? I mean, you must be a pretty big group to influence a film that MILLIONS of people will see, am I right?

And if Superman Returns proves to be an actionless, cerebral Hulk-like feature, do you honestly believe the kiddies will be entertained enough to stick around past one showing?

No, there'll be action. Justin from BLUETIGHTS said the action sequences in this film will make Spidey look BORING, and this guy actually has met Bryan Singer, so I'll take his word over yours.

And did you read the latest report? They said something about 20 minute airplane sequence...yeah, doubt it'll be lackluster in that department...

Like I said, WB and Singer better hope that they reach the Reeve's generation--they are going to be the biggest voices in comparing Routh to Reeve and their influence will be felt in the overall audience reception. It floors me that you would ignorantly count their impact of little value.

I hope you didn't hit your head on the way down, since Reeve fans do not make the majority of the Superman fanbase and are clearly not a big number in the MILLIONS of people who will see the film.

My voice is not well-known on the Supes board....because I have had very little to say in a positive manner about the production. But I am well aware of every development with that production. I've watched every blog and kept abreast of all updates.

You should post more often. I post here, and intend to frequent more often, and I'm so-so on X3 right now. Some of it looks good, a lot of it looks horrible. But I'm voicing my opinion constructively. You shouldn't feel discouraged to do so also, unless you fear the wraith of the fans. ;)

And while it is clear that this SR is going to be heavily influenced by the continuity of Donner's films, my fear is that very approach may also prove to be a major achilles heel for the franchise. Why? Because as so many have said (both young and old fans--including my father :cool: ) it shows a lack of creativity and originality--especially in an era where moviegoing audiences are tiring of regurgitated remakes. As one of the guys in the comic store stated, "it looks lazy."

Didn't you say you were a big fan of the Reeve films and that you are going to compare and the Reeve fans are a big audience yadda yadda yadda?

Also, you need to get this inside your head: Singer's film isn't heavily influenced by Donner's film. It's using his origin film as vague history, to quote Dan Harris himself, as the "archtypal origin" story it doesn't need to be messed with. And since you've supposedly watched all the blogs, you should know this. Harris says it in the blog "Untitled".

Also, Singer's film will have many new elements. As much

1) The retro look. Donner's version had New York standing in for Metropolis. Singer's version is very retro-inspired and completely different.

2)Brand new story. This is a return story, of when a superhero leaves Earth, unarguably comic-book's greatest superhero, and the effect that has on Metropolis and the world, which has become far more violent and destructive, emulating our own contemporary society. Singer is telling an allegorical tale -- something he achieved in his X-Men films. None of Donner's films did this, or the subsequent installments. And it really touches on core Superman ideals.

3) Menacing Lex Luthor. Gene Hackman's portrayal was so campy and a deviation from the comics that Kevin Spacey's characterization is sure to bring back Luthor from the man who know all to well from the mythos.

4) New cast, new crew, new characters (such as Ben Hubbard, Richard White, et al) who were not in previous Superman films, new plot, new sets, new costumes, new etc. etc.

Need I continue? Besides the basic influences that Singer is taking from Donner's origin film, which he's just utilizing as a springboard for his film, what other elements is he including (besides Williams' theme, which is so damn iconic people would immediately complain if it wasn't included)?

None. This is Bryan Singer's Superman movie -- with homages not only to Richard Donner's epic, but to countless other Superman stories combined.

And sequels, these days, are as depised as remakes -- which Superman isn't, actually. It's a restart of the franchise much like the succeessful BATMAN BEGINS, but instead of re-exploring Superman's origins we're going further in his story. But it's still a restart.

And that formula worked great for Batman. What makes you think it won't subsequently work for Superman?

And we won't even mention the misgivings surrounding Mr. Routh's acting prowess.

Have you seen Routh act? At all? That's just more pathetic misjudgment on your part unfortunately.

Faithful? Many would disagree with you. But we'll shall see...we shall definitely see. Ang Lee had similar goals for a certain superhero franchise he tried to launch as well.:o

Many? As in who? Most of SHH are flooded with positive thoughts regarding the film. There are some that disagree, but the same bodes for any comic-book film, including X3. Many general audiences, other fans, and Superman fans in particular are looking forward to the newest Superman film in nearly two decades. No matter what anyone thinks, it will be huge and people will flock to see it...prematurely hating it or not, it's Superman and it has a BIG audience.

Also, I find it funny that you compare Bryan Singer to Ang Lee when Singer has two previous comic-book adaptations to his belt that have been critical and box office hits. So much luck is on his side that he'll turn SUPERMAN RETURNS into the next big thing.

[Seen]

Either that, or maybe some people do "understand"...and some Supe fans are overestimating it?

I'd say some X-Men fans are overestimating X3, but that's just my summation.

As far as it being epic...let's remember, the director also helmed X1 and X2. Were they "epic" too? Leopards don't change spots miraculously you know. :cool:

Everything about this film screams epic...the budget (exceeding well over $200 million), the sets, the filming schedule (nearly a year long!), the special effects, and the teaser clearly gave you a glimpse of that.

And what has Brett Ratner done that proves he can tackle an allegedly epic movie like X3? Hmm?

[Supreme Power]

Its clear you feel you need to defend Superman, while collectively trying to bash Xmen. I used to be big fan of the original movies. I actually thought the teaser was pretty good, but I'm big movie fan in general and everyone I've talked to that has seen it, which the majority are not fanboys, really didn't like it.

I've seen the blogs and everything with superman, and of course been keeping up with the latest on X-men, but you don't know really anymore what happens in superman than we know with X-men. It could very well be good, as the director made two very good previous films imo. But just as easily it could be very bad, which I hope it isn't. In the same vein I hope and believe that X3 will turn out to be great with Ratner, especially with all the talent working on the film, but I won't list flaws such as a much too young looking supes to crap on that film.

[Pickle-El]

Great thread. Can't wait till late-April. :rolleyes:

[Seen]

Its clear you feel you need to defend Superman, while collectively trying to bash Xmen.

How am I bashing the X-Men? I said that I loved the first two movies by Singer, and that some parts of X3 (at least rumored thus far) have gotten me intrigued/mildly excited but most has not gotten me excited or intrigued at all; in fact most of it sickens me.

But Lighting Strikez is also feeling the need to bash Superman it appears, and all I'm doing is expressing my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

I used to be big fan of the original movies. I actually thought the teaser was pretty good, but I'm big movie fan in general and everyone I've talked to that has seen it, which the majority are not fanboys, really didn't like it.

All I've heard has pointed to the opposite, but in all fairness everything I've mentioned about X3 to my friends, colleagues or other acquaintances on message boards seem to detest the current direction of X3 at the current moment.

I've seen the blogs and everything with superman, and of course been keeping up with the latest on X-men, but you don't know really anymore what happens in superman than we know with X-men.

Excuse me?

We've seen informative blogs, interviews, huge reports, images from the film, footage from the film, a teaser trailer, and an official plot snyposis.

What have we got for X3? Disjointed rumors concerning the plot of the film, a lousy teaser website and the departure of TWO directors, the arrival of a medicore director and a slew of conflicting reports about multiple new characters and potiential storylines.

I'd say we know a lot more about SUPERMAN RETURNS than we do about X3.

It could very well be good, as the director made two very good previous films imo. But just as easily it could be very bad, which I hope it isn't.

This is very true. It could be bad, which I also hope it isn't, but everything I've heard makes it sound better and better with each passing day.

Can't say I feel the same for X3, unfortunately.

In the same vein I hope and believe that X3 will turn out to be great with Ratner, especially with all the talent working on the film, but I won't list flaws such as a much too young looking supes to crap on that film.

Reeve was damn young -- he was about a year older than Routh when cast. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. But it was his performance that swayed viewers most of all.

I also hope X3 turns out to be great. Ratner is a competent director but not very imaginative or original. So we'll definitely see.

[TNC9852002]

I said that I loved the first two movies by Singer, and that some parts of X3 (at least rumored thus far) have gotten me intrigued/mildly excited but most has not gotten me excited or intrigued at all; in fact most of it sickens me.
Which rumors are sickening you?

-TNC

[Maze]

Either that, or maybe some people do "understand"...and some Supe fans are overestimating it?

As far as it being epic...let's remember, the director also helmed X1 and X2. Were they "epic" too? Leopards don't change spots miraculously you know. :cool:

Well again i'm not a superman fan ,and some other people here too,and for the moment ,for us ,Superman seem to be a great movie..

Leopards don't change spots miraculously you know.
well i hope for all of us that your quote will not be true for Ratner...
already not really known for that..unlike Singer ...

[Lightning Strykez!]

Sorry if not everyone is familar with FOX's schedule and how they function. And there was rumors that a teaser trailer would show on the X3 site, heck, it even SAID "teaser trailer" until it was fixed, but by then all the damage was done.

And everyone who saw it (people at TrekBBS, ComingSoon, etc.) and friends of mine all collectively agreed it was WEAK.

You can't deny that.

I can't deny what--your opinion?

I don't have to, as I could care less if you and your friends were thrown off by a small discrepancy that was up for all of 5 hours before it was fixed.

Again, no one was expecting an actual trailer upon the site's release. I'm sorry if your friends lacked the perception to see past that.But the fact that you're holding on to it shows you want to have something to cling to for the sake of your arguement.

So cling away.



It began just like a trailer. When it was over, all of my friends and I were like "WTF?!?". Lame. And again, I'm not a FOX techo-wizard like yourself. And neither is a vast majority of the audience.

Again...it was a teaser trailer FOR THE WEBSITE. NOT FOR THE FILM. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. And before you go throwing rocks at X3's animated site as "lame", please reconsider what SR's teaser site was comprised of. :cool:


You mean you are thinking people aren't interested because you simply don't like the film or don't want it to succeed?

That's where I'm getting.

And I'm "getting" something called denial from you.

Believe it or not, but there are many people who do not like what SR is shaping up to be! Yes-MANY!!! God man, step outside of your wooden bubble and recognize that not everyone shares your viewpoint on this matter. It doesn't mean that SR will suck in 7 months.



Can you list the people then? Because most people CANNOT wait for this new Superman movie...they think it will rock. Your distorted view on things, unfortunately, fall into the minority.

First of all, it's not my "job" to list people who's opinion differs from yours.

Secondly, it is extremely presumptuous of you to claim that those who's views are different from yours is automatically "distorted" or even in the "minority." That is flawed, fanatical reasoning.



Interesting. You don't have interest in the new Superman film...you said it doesn't appeal to you...and LOOK, you magically have subjects to back up your claims!

How predictable.

What the hell? Man, you need to broaden your perception--big time. Step outside your fanboyism and recognize that the reaction to that project is mixed, and in some cases lukewarm. Wake up!



Why, are you afraid us board members will cry? Or get hugely upset for no apparent reason? Sounds like it.

His assistant said the costume looks bad so he's not seeing the movie? That's the dumbest f.u.c.k.ing arguement I've ever heard.

If that was the case, I wouldn't have seen half if not more of Marvel's films. But I happen to judge films based on quality, not a friggin' costume. Damn, that's pathetic.

That's his opinion--and it wasn't just about the suit obviously. He's a fanboy just like you. He'll have $8 to spend on June 30th, just like you. Whether or not he decides to do so depends upon how he is moved by his feelings on what is being done with that iconic hero.

Learn to respect that. Your views do not supercede his.



Okay, he must not like classic Superman visuals. That's perfectly understandable. He musn't be that into Superman.

A most foolish of statements! Ay yi yi....your presumptuousness boggles my mind because it's bordering on fanatical! *shakes head*

He's the damn comic book store OWNER! And he's decorated the store with old and new Superman paraphernalia all over the place. Therefore, he's a major DC fan and yes, he is "into Superman"--very much so. Yet, for all that, he doesn't like the approach Singer is taking. Why are you struggling with this?



Great, five men. I'm totally convinced SUPERMAN RETURNS is going to suck now. Thanks!

You don't have to be convinced. But they are convinced for now. Again, respect their opinion.



So you're judging your opinion based on what five people said? When probably millions saw the trailer. Riighhttt...


Let's not insult my intelligence here...you're getting a tad too close to edge now Seen. I've personally had misgivings about the project for a few months now--long before the trailer came out, and certainly before I went to the comic store last night. :rolleyes:



No, there'll be action. Justin from BLUETIGHTS said the action sequences in this film will make Spidey look BORING, and this guy actually has met Bryan Singer, so I'll take his word over yours.

And I've seen Bryan Singer's previous works. And in my opinion, action has never been his strongest suit. So I'll take the existing evidence over anything Justin has to say. It's easy to fluff up statements for the sake of hyping up the fanbase...but so far nothing I've seen suggests that SR is going to be anything remotely close to a Spider-Man film in terms of action. If anything, I'm seeing a regurgitation of cam visual concepts that Bryan has already used in his prior projects. Again...we're talking about creativity.



You should post more often. I post here, and intend to frequent more often, and I'm so-so on X3 right now. Some of it looks good, a lot of it looks horrible. But I'm voicing my opinion constructively. You shouldn't feel discouraged to do so also, unless you fear the wraith of the fans.

Man please. :rolleyes:

I handled Batman trolls for the greater part of a year on the Fantastic Four board, so do you honestly, really think I "fear" some so-called wrath from fanboys?

Bottom line: I have an opinion. However, it's not my job to rain on the Supe fans' Hype parade by coercing them into changing their opinions.

But right now, you're in our territory. :cool:



Didn't you say you were a big fan of the Reeve films and that you are going to compare and the Reeve fans are a big audience yadda yadda yadda?

No. I said critics and moviegoers who have grown up in that generation might compare them.


Also, you need to get this inside your head: Singer's film isn't heavily influenced by Donner's film. It's using his origin film as vague history, to quote Dan Harris himself, as the "archtypal origin" story it doesn't need to be messed with. And since you've supposedly watched all the blogs, you should know this. Harris says it in the blog "Untitled".

Also, Singer's film will have many new elements. As much

1) The retro look. Donner's version had New York standing in for Metropolis. Singer's version is very retro-inspired and completely different.

2)Brand new story. This is a return story, of when a superhero leaves Earth, unarguably comic-book's greatest superhero, and the effect that has on Metropolis and the world, which has become far more violent and destructive, emulating our own contemporary society. Singer is telling an allegorical tale -- something he achieved in his X-Men films. None of Donner's films did this, or the subsequent installments. And it really touches on core Superman ideals.

3) Menacing Lex Luthor. Gene Hackman's portrayal was so campy and a deviation from the comics that Kevin Spacey's characterization is sure to bring back Luthor from the man who know all to well from the mythos.

4) New cast, new crew, new characters (such as Ben Hubbard, Richard White, et al) who were not in previous Superman films, new plot, new sets, new costumes, new etc. etc.

Need I continue? Besides the basic influences that Singer is taking from Donner's origin film, which he's just utilizing as a springboard for his film, what other elements is he including (besides Williams' theme, which is so damn iconic people would immediately complain if it wasn't included)?

None. This is Bryan Singer's Superman movie -- with homages not only to Richard Donner's epic, but to countless other Superman stories combined.

And sequels, these days, are as depised as remakes -- which Superman isn't, actually. It's a restart of the franchise much like the succeessful BATMAN BEGINS, but instead of re-exploring Superman's origins we're going further in his story. But it's still a restart.

And that formula worked great for Batman. What makes you think it won't subsequently work for Superman?

What makes you think it will? There is no guarantee until June 30th, 2006. I will render final judgement then.



Have you seen Routh act? At all? That's just more pathetic misjudgment on your part unfortunately.

Again, you need to pipe it down a notch. Pathetic "misjudgement"? Have you seen Routh act? If not, wouldn't your views be equally misplaced at this time as well? As I warned you earlier--don't throw rocks--especially not here...We wouldn't want you to cut your foot on some glass now, would we? :cool:


Many? As in who? Most of SHH are flooded with positive thoughts regarding the film. There are some that disagree, but the same bodes for any comic-book film, including X3. Many general audiences, other fans, and Superman fans in particular are looking forward to the newest Superman film in nearly two decades. No matter what anyone thinks, it will be huge and people will flock to see it...prematurely hating it or not, it's Superman and it has a BIG audience.

"Most of SHH are flooded with positive thoughts regarding the film?" Where is this taking place?

There has been serious dissension even on the Supes board itself so please knock off the exaggerations. Remember, we all have access to the boards here and can see things for ourselves. The discussion and reaction has been MIXED. Accept it. Damn. :p:o



Also, I find it funny that you compare Bryan Singer to Ang Lee when Singer has two previous comic-book adaptations to his belt that have been critical and box office hits. So much luck is on his side that he'll turn SUPERMAN RETURNS into the next big thing.

Your confidence, albeit a bit naive, is admirable. And I sincerely hope that Superman Returns turns out to be everything you hope it to be. Is there anything else?

[Maze]

What the hell? Man, you need to broaden your perception--big time. Step outside your fanboyism and recognize that the reaction to that project is mixed, and in some cases lukewarm. Wake up!

Well , you know what would resolve this discution? take one hour , go on major webiste ( Chud.com, Rotten.tomatoes,empire for example but there are a ton others ) and you'll see for yourself.

lukewarm ? mixed? yep in some case , but in majority it's rather good.

but see it with your own eyes .

Speaking of the outiside ,i don't know in the states (the states , not one or two region lightning..i mean that's how you guess who is going to win the elections? ), believe me here in France the word is really strong for this movie..

Anyways , this argument is really absurd in my book..as if quality =popularity..

But,the fact is the buzz on X3 is really bad, ( but you never admitted it ..that's sad , but that's your choice) the fact is the critics trust Singer and co..Not Ratner ..and believe it pain me to admit that for the moment they are right..

[snwboarder88]

Well , you know what would resolve this discution? take one hour , go on major webiste ( Chud.com, Rotten.tomatoes,empire for example but there are a ton others ) and you'll see for yourself.

lukewarm ? mixed? yep in some case , but in majority it's rather good.

but see it with your own eyes .

Speaking of the outiside ,i don't know in the states (the states , not one or two region lightning..i mean that's how you guess who is going to win the elections? ), believe me here in France the word is really strong for this movie..

Anyways , this argument is really absurd in my book..as if quality =popularity..

But,the fact is the buzz on X3 is really bad, ( but you never admitted it ..that's sad , but that's your choice) the fact is the critics trust Singer and co..Not Ratner ..and believe it pain me to admit that for the moment they are right..

Where did you get that idea? other than when vahugn droped the film, the movie has done great, nothing but great things we have heard and seen from set pics. everyone from the movie is saying how its the best, and i know they may just be saying that because they are part of the film, but they seem to actually thinkl that this is "the" movie. Patrick stewart, Mckellen, Halle, all have said that this movie will blow everyone away...so what makes you think this is such a trubled project, just because Ratner is directing? Name one critic, thats not from a "FAN" based website that has said anything negative towards Ratner...you wont find any, he is a "A" list director, and has had many hit movies...

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well , you know what would resolve this discution? take one hour , go on major webiste ( Chud.com, Rotten.tomatoes,empire for example but there are a ton others ) and you'll see for yourself.

lukewarm ? mixed? yep in some case , but in majority it's rather good.

but see it with your own eyes .

Speaking of the outiside ,i don't know in the states (the states , not o,e place lightning), believe me here in France the word is really strong for this movie..

Anyways , this argument is really vain in my book..as if quality =popularity..

the fact is the buzz on X3 is really bad, ( but you never admitted it ..that's sad , but that's your choice) the fact is the critics trust Singer and co..Not Ratner ..and believe it pain me to admit that for the moment they are right..

I have stated numerous times that the buzz on X3 was poor at the outset when the AICN draft leaked last year--but I wouldn't say that is still the case now. I'd rank it as "nervous anticipation". The tide has changed, as many have been impressed with the casting choices Brett has made. There have been some improvements in the perception of the project--even here on our board. The only major doubt is stemming from lack of information and the change in director--which are understandable causes for fear.

However, that's not the crux of this discussion: we are talking about X3 being the most anticipated film at this time. Whether it be to see if all of the rumors prove true or false, people are certainly amped to see what this third installment will bring.

Let us remember: A mixed reaction to the SR teaser trailer is not necessarily a bad thing--it's just what it is at this time. Perceptions change and people can be won over with additional releases of product.

Sadly, for people like Seen, unless fans are praising SR as the best thing since sliced bread then they must be automatically "bashing it", or have "distorted" "pathetic misjudgement".

And that's nonsensical, warped thinking.

[Jan Irisi]

Well , you know what would resolve this discution? take one hour , go on major webiste ( Chud.com, Rotten.tomatoes,empire for example but there are a ton others ) and you'll see for yourself.

lukewarm ? mixed? yep in some case , but in majority it's rather good.

but see it with your own eyes .

Speaking of the outiside ,i don't know in the states (the states , not one or two region lightning..i mean that's how you guess who is going to win the elections? ), believe me here in France the word is really strong for this movie..

Anyways , this argument is really absurd in my book..as if quality =popularity..

But,the fact is the buzz on X3 is really bad, ( but you never admitted it ..that's sad , but that's your choice) the fact is the critics trust Singer and co..Not Ratner ..and believe it pain me to admit that for the moment they are right..


You misunderstand I think what we are trying to say. While yes we acknowledge that there was some positive reaction to the trailer, LS and I are trying to explain that we have seen reaction that was less than enthusiastic. The reactions we have seen are mixed, some good and some not so good.

[Maze]

Where did you get that idea? other than when vahugn droped the film, the movie has done great, nothing but great things we have heard and seen from set pics. everyone from the movie is saying how its the best, and i know they may just be saying that because they are part of the film, but they seem to actually thinkl that this is "the" movie. Patrick stewart, Mckellen, Halle, all have said that this movie will blow everyone away...so what makes you think this is such a trubled project, just because Ratner is directing? Name one critic, thats not from a "FAN" based website that has said anything negative towards Ratner...you wont find any, he is a "A" list director, and has had many hit movies...


the majority of the internet ..you don't believe me? take a ride

Do you know that most people on the outside laugh at the project?

yes, it pain me..but i can understand it.

everyone from the movie is saying how its the best, and i know they may just be saying that because they are part of the film, but they seem to actually thinkl that this is "the" movie.

Stewart said that the last trek movie would be great..So excuse me i love as an actor , but i will not trust him on that one..


he is a "A" list director, and has had many hit movies...

again that arguement?

So what? twister and home alone were major hits , they were work of arts?

about the opinion of his movies ...You wan't one? unbiased? Allo cine..i can traduct you if you wan't..but you know about Ratner if you can't accept the truth , if you don't understand that for a majority of people that know one or two things about cinema he is at best so so , well i will avoid you to lose your time..go on rotten tomatoes and you'll have a nice collection of critics , of critics with reputation( not fan boys)that speak of the "work" of Ratner..

You are in denial..

until Ratner prove us wrong..hopefully..

[Lightning Strykez!]

You misunderstand I think what we are trying to say. While yes we acknowledge that there was some positive reaction to the trailer, LS and I are trying to explain that we have seen reaction that was less than enthusiastic. The reactions we have seen are mixed, some good and some not so good.

Exactly. Not everyone is feeling the new Supes trailer--and that's a fact. There is nothing conclusive that says that the "majority" have embraced it, as there have been no exit polls conducted to my knowledge. :rolleyes:

And the problem is some of these Supe fans are too stubborn to accept that. It's all or nothing with them--everything must be in absolutes. And those who feel that SR looks less than stellar are branded as stupid or misinformed. It's like some sort of religious blasphemy. :p

Now that type of condescending treatment goes on daily at the Superman forum--and that's fine...over there. But I'll be damned if we tolerate it here on our board.

[snwboarder88]

the majority of the internet ..you don't believe me? take a ride



Stewart said that the last trek movie would be great..So excuse me i love as an actor , but i will not trust him on that one..

about the opinion of the movies ...You wan't one? unbiased? allo cine..i can traduct you if you wan't..but you know about Ratner if you can't accept the truth , if you don't understand that for a majority of people that know one or two things about cinema he is at best so so , well i will avoid you to lose your time..go on rotten tomatoes and you'll have a nice collection of critics , of critics with reputation( not fan boys)that speak of the "work of Ratner..

You are in denial..

until Ratner prove us wrong..hopefully..

I am not in denial of anything...i beleive that x3 will be the best movie of the franchise and the best movie next year. What makes you think that your opnion and other whiney fan boys from the internet are correct? you pick apart everything, and even when x3 is a huge success you will be one of those people who will always have something negative to say about it.[/FONT]

[Maze]

success you will be one of those people who will always have something negative to say about it.[/FONT]

The fact is i'm speaking of what i know..

you are speaking about me , and you don't know me ..so please ;)

I am not in denial of anything...i beleive that x3 will be the best movie of the franchise and the best movie next year

and i hope you 're right believe me..:)

[true316]

I agree with Lightning. I think much of the uncertainty (and there is uncertainty) stems from the change of director thing. I really don't know how much confidence I have in Brett Ratner. I did enjoy the Rush Hour movies but that is all I have actually seen of his work. I went to Rotten Tomatoes to find what other movies he had done an it seems he doesn't always do too well as far as film critics are concerned.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/brett_ratner/

However I really don't like to put all of my trust in film critics (after all, if they know how to do it better why aren't they in Hollywood? :) ). I think the ultimate proving ground for this or ANY movie comes not with internet speculation or trailers, but with the final product itself.

[Hunter Rider]

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[Jan Irisi]

the majority of the internet ..you don't believe me? take a ride

Do you know that most people on the outside laugh at the project?

yes, it pain me..but i can understand it.



Stewart said that the last trek movie would be great..So excuse me i love as an actor , but i will not trust him on that one..




again that arguement?

So what? twister and home alone were major hits , they were work of arts?

about the opinion of his movies ...You wan't one? unbiased? Allo cine..i can traduct you if you wan't..but you know about Ratner if you can't accept the truth , if you don't understand that for a majority of people that know one or two things about cinema he is at best so so , well i will avoid you to lose your time..go on rotten tomatoes and you'll have a nice collection of critics , of critics with reputation( not fan boys)that speak of the "work" of Ratner..

You are in denial..

until Ratner prove us wrong..hopefully..


I think it is a fact that many on this forum are doubtful about Ratner as well. Some like him, some cringe. But at the moment, he has the reins of the franchise we are here to follow, so what else can we do except be, as LS alluded to above, cautiously optimistic? We do not want this film to fail (or most of us don't LOL), and all we can do is hold our breath for now and wait to see what Ratner has to offer us. He may hit it out of the park, or he may strike out, but all we can do is wait and see.

In the end, it is possible that Singer may fumble with his film, or Superman may well be a great film. (Even the great Spielberg has fumbled a few films) WE DON'T KNOW YET. Same goes for Ratner and X3.

Yes, we are aware of the guffaws that are going on about X3. Some of us here have guffawed and predicted gloom and doom for the film. But again, until we see something for ourselves...actual footage, actual pics...WE JUST DON'T KNOW! All we can do is hope and pray for the best.

[Lightning Strykez!]

about the opinion of his movies ...You wan't one? unbiased? Allo cine..i can traduct you if you wan't..but you know about Ratner if you can't accept the truth , if you don't understand that for a majority of people that know one or two things about cinema he is at best so so , well i will avoid you to lose your time..go on rotten tomatoes and you'll have a nice collection of critics , of critics with reputation( not fan boys)that speak of the "work" of Ratner..

You are in denial..

until Ratner prove us wrong..hopefully..

That's a pretty biased statement Maze. Or are you "denying" that Bryan Singer (who has only produced 5 films in total outside SR) has produced some flops too? :cool:

Brett's filmography is lengthy--and he is a more accomplished director, and has been in the industry longer than Bryan. He's had several hits but he's also had some misses. But the majority of his films have been successful. And some of his movies, i.e. Red Dragon have recieved critical acclaim.

You were saying?

[Kanon]

Speaking of the outiside ,i don't know in the states (the states , not one or two region lightning..i mean that's how you guess who is going to win the elections? ), believe me here in France the word is really strong for this movie..
If anyone cares, here in Argentina I haven't meet 1 person that believes Superman Returns is going to be a good movie. And a lot think X3 is going to be the best X-Men movie, altought some are worried about the amount of characters.
And I do speak with a lot of people, through websites, some are "normal", and some are respected movie critics

[true316]

That's a pretty biased statement Maze. Or are you "denying" that Bryan Singer (who has only produced 5 films in total outside SR) has produced some flops too? :cool:

Brett's filmography is lengthy--and he is a more accomplished director, and has been in the industry longer than Bryan. He's had several hits but he's also had some misses. But the majority of his films have been successful. And some of his movies, i.e. Red Dragon have recieved critical acclaim.

You were saying?

I don't know if this is fair as far as "directing" goes. Bryan Singer has only directed five films outside of SR. To my knowledge, Brett Ratner has directed six films outside of X3 (feel free to correct me if I am wrong :O ). That he is the more accomplished director maybe your opinion and of course your entitled to it. From what film reviews I have seen Singer tends to get consistently better reviews than Ratner.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't know if this is fair as far as "directing" goes. Bryan Singer has only directed five films outside of SR. To my knowledge, Brett Ratner has directed six films outside of X3 (feel free to correct me if I am wrong :O ). That he is the more accomplished director maybe your opinion and of course your entitled to it. From what film reviews I have seen Singer tends to get consistently better reviews than Ratner.

Brett has done 8 films outside of X3.

He's more accomplished in terms of experience in a broader range of genre filmmaking. Beyond the silver screen, Brett has done several TV projects and series, along with music videos as well. And he's been doing it a lot longer than Bryan--that's why I stated that he was more "accomplished"--I wasn't necessarily referring to critical raves.

[true316]

Brett has done 8 films outside of X3.

He's more accomplished in terms of experience in a broader range of genre filmmaking. Beyond the silver screen, Brett has done several TV projects and series, along with music videos as well. And he's been doing it a lot longer than Bryan--that's why I stated that he was more "accomplished"--I wasn't necessarily referring to critical raves.

Thanks for the explanation. I was speaking in terms of "quality=accomplished" as opposed to "quantity=accomplished", but you definitely have a valid point. I still think what they have they have done on the silver screen is what matters the most. Just out of curiosity could you provide a list of his films (obiously there are some I didn't know about). I'm looking to check out more of his work so I can get a better feel for his directing style.

[Maze]

That's a pretty biased statement Maze. Or are you "denying" that Bryan Singer (who has only produced 5 films in total outside SR) has produced some flops too? :cool:

Brett's filmography is lengthy--and he is a more accomplished director, and has been in the industry longer than Bryan. He's had several hits but he's also had some misses. But the majority of his films have been successful. And some of his movies, i.e. Red Dragon have recieved critical acclaim.

You were saying?

I'm saying that Bryan Singer ,that he has or not 8 movies under his belt ,is a better flimmaker.

you don't agree?

that's ok..but that's your opinion not the opinion of the majority of repected critics.

Singer had misses? yup , but they were far from the kind of miss that Ratner had.

you still don't wan't to admit it ?(and after that you can prefer Ratner , that's a matter of taste ) go read most of the critics .Yes, again, that Ratner movies are succesful at the box office or not is irrelevant..

because a movie is successful it is good? ..


ps: i'm biased ? if you wan't.. imo the Xmen movies are far from perfect ..Like you , Storm.,.among others)

ps2
Originally Posted by Maze about the opinion of his movies ...You wan't one? unbiased? Allo cine..i can traduct you if you wan't..but you know about Ratner if you can't accept the truth , if you don't understand that for a majority of people that know one or two things about cinema he is at best so so , well i will avoid you to lose your time..go on rotten tomatoes and you'll have a nice collection of critics , of critics with reputation( not fan boys)that speak of the "work" of Ratner..


That's a pretty biased statement Maze. Or are you "denying" that Bryan Singer (who has only produced 5 films in total outside SR) has produced some flops too? :cool:

Brett's filmography is lengthy--and he is a more accomplished director, and has been in the industry longer than Bryan. He's had several hits but he's also had some misses. But the majority of his films have been successful. And some of his movies, i.e. Red Dragon have recieved critical acclaim.

You were saying?


that's why I stated that he was more "accomplished"--I wasn't necessarily referring to critical raves.

rereading you i think you didn't understood what i said...

[Maze]

If anyone cares, here in Argentina I haven't meet 1 person that believes Superman Returns is going to be a good movie. And a lot think X3 is going to be the best X-Men movie, altought some are worried about the amount of characters.
And I do speak with a lot of people, through websites, some are "normal", and some are respected movie critics

ok , other countries lol :) ;)

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm saying that Bryan Singer ,that he has or not 8 movies under his belt ,is a better flimmaker.

you don't agree?



Not necessarily. :cool:

The advantage that Bryan's X-Men films had over Brett's Rush Hour comedies is a strong A-List cast and a political message that all of us can relate to: Intolerance. THOSE are the elements that gave those films such high critical ratings, not just Bryan's direction. :o

For example: In X-Men you have acclaimed stage performers i.e. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan and Hugh Jackman. You have Oscar-Winning actresses i.e Anna Paquin and Halle Berry.

In contrast, Brett had Jackie Chan, Chris Tucker and Kung-foo grip to work with. :rolleyes: Yet interestingly enough, the times Brett did delve into darker, serious themes (i.e. with Red Dragon) the critics loved it. In other words, the palatte was different and the masterpieces reflected that.

We shall see just how good Bryan does with SR: He now doesn't have the heavily star-studded cast to buoy his works, nor does he have the controversial political message that will resonate with fans of all colors, sexes, orientations and ages. Brett, however will, and he could excel or flop with what he's been given.

And the same applies for Mr. Singer.

[Pickle-El]

(slowly walks out of thread)

[the a1ant]

(follows Pickle-El)

(comes back in and sits down with a bag of popcorn)

:D

[Lightning Strykez!]

*cracks knuckles*

:cool:

[Hunter Rider]

*Does something*

[Angry Sentinel]

*does nothing*

[MoiBijou]

*waits someone to make something*

[Downhere]

*Turns on the tv*

[ichorinmyveins]

I was quite envious of anyone here who so passionately argued that his is the better. However, in my own objective speculation of the matter, I think SR will be a megahit even if it sucks in quality. People may not like it but I'm certain these same people would still watch it anyway-- not because they are a fan, but because they are curious to see how Superman flies in the modern time.

If I can have it my way, I would prefer xmen3 to fare better than SR since the latter doesn't interest me anymore. What could SR have for its audience when everything could be seen in xmen? the flying? the strenght? the face? the body?

[Seen]

I can't deny what--your opinion?

No, the truth.

I don't have to, as I could care less if you and your friends were thrown off by a small discrepancy that was up for all of 5 hours before it was fixed.

A lot more than just me and my friends were -- so were people on a few other message boards too.

Again, no one was expecting an actual trailer upon the site's release. I'm sorry if your friends lacked the perception to see past that.But the fact that you're holding on to it shows you want to have something to cling to for the sake of your arguement.

I heard rumors on this very board being speculated that the site might have a teaser trailer. And it friggin' said "teaser trailer" and considering they're as smart as the normal Joe Moviegoer, their reaction was probably felt by others too.

So cling away.

I'm not clinging to anything, you just keep on bringing it up.

Again...it was a teaser trailer FOR THE WEBSITE. NOT FOR THE FILM. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. And before you go throwing rocks at X3's animated site as "lame", please reconsider what SR's teaser site was comprised of. :cool:

Well then the website should have specified that for everyone else.


Believe it or not, but there are many people who do not like what SR is shaping up to be! Yes-MANY!!! God man, step outside of your wooden bubble and recognize that not everyone shares your viewpoint on this matter. It doesn't mean that SR will suck in 7 months.

How about you do the same, because many are liking the direction of SR at the current moment. Many.

First of all, it's not my "job" to list people who's opinion differs from yours.

Then why list them in the first place to support your arguement? Isn't that sort of weak?

Secondly, it is extremely presumptuous of you to claim that those who's views are different from yours is automatically "distorted" or even in the "minority." That is flawed, fanatical reasoning.

You think "many people" dislike SR currently, which is flawed, fanatical reasoning at the highest degree.

What the hell? Man, you need to broaden your perception--big time. Step outside your fanboyism and recognize that the reaction to that project is mixed, and in some cases lukewarm. Wake up!

From the man who barely even POSTS at the Superman boards!

That's his opinion--and it wasn't just about the suit obviously. He's a fanboy just like you. He'll have $8 to spend on June 30th, just like you. Whether or not he decides to do so depends upon how he is moved by his feelings on what is being done with that iconic hero.

You said he only disliked the suit and that he wasn't going. If that wasn't the case then you should have clearified.

Learn to respect that. Your views do not supercede his.

I do not need to respect anything.

A most foolish of statements! Ay yi yi....your presumptuousness boggles my mind because it's bordering on fanatical! *shakes head*

I could say the same for you.

He's the damn comic book store OWNER! And he's decorated the store with old and new Superman paraphernalia all over the place. Therefore, he's a major DC fan and yes, he is "into Superman"--very much so. Yet, for all that, he doesn't like the approach Singer is taking. Why are you struggling with this?

You said he only liked the Kent farm box in the trailer when they were obvious other scenes that were dosed in Superman lore! I mean the scene with Superman hovering at the sunset and in outer space...utterly amazing and wonderful.

He just doesn't seem to get it.

You don't have to be convinced. But they are convinced for now. Again, respect their opinion.

Why?

Let's not insult my intelligence here...you're getting a tad too close to edge now Seen. I've personally had misgivings about the project for a few months now--long before the trailer came out, and certainly before I went to the comic store last night. :rolleyes:

No, I think I'm far from the edge thank you very much.

And I've seen Bryan Singer's previous works. And in my opinion, action has never been his strongest suit. So I'll take the existing evidence over anything Justin has to say.

In that case Brett Ratner cannot direct a movie on the depth and allegorical emphasis of the X-Men films...that is if you're going to start making premature assessments like that.

Again, director's styles vary from each respective project -- Singer was criticized when he was going to direct the first X-MEN because he never touched an action or comic-book movie before, and the same applies to Christopher Nolan, Richard Donner, Tim Burton, and Sam Raimi. So your thinking that Singer cannot give us mind-blowing action sequences is flawed and corrupt.

Singer has already said this will be his most romantic and humerous film yet -- lighter than anything he's ever done. If he can admit that, and with various reports confirming the action scenes will be stellar, can you just open up from your proverbial box and theorize that Singer will be able to deliver knockout action scenes? Is that too much to ask?

It's easy to fluff up statements for the sake of hyping up the fanbase...but so far nothing I've seen suggests that SR is going to be anything remotely close to a Spider-Man film in terms of action.

20 minute airplane sequence. Need I repeat this?

If anything, I'm seeing a regurgitation of cam visual concepts that Bryan has already used in his prior projects. Again...we're talking about creativity.

Like what?

I handled Batman trolls for the greater part of a year on the Fantastic Four board, so do you honestly, really think I "fear" some so-called wrath from fanboys?

I actually don't blame the Batman "trolls" seeing how that FF turd turned out.

Bottom line: I have an opinion. However, it's not my job to rain on the Supe fans' Hype parade by coercing them into changing their opinions.

So you would be forced to coerce people into changing opinions? Can't you just post respectively and constructively?

But right now, you're in our territory. :cool:

Quite the astute observation.

No. I said critics and moviegoers who have grown up in that generation might compare them.

Like who?

What makes you think it will? There is no guarantee until June 30th, 2006. I will render final judgement then.

Then what makes you think anything we've heard for X3 will come to fruition? At least with SUPERMAN we have blogs to confirm these aspects.

Again, you need to pipe it down a notch.

No, I'm quite fine.

Pathetic "misjudgement"? Have you seen Routh act? If not, wouldn't your views be equally misplaced at this time as well? As I warned you earlier--don't throw rocks--especially not here...We wouldn't want you to cut your foot on some glass now, would we? :cool:

So then we can't judge...seeing as how we both haven't seen Routh act (I'm assuming, as you said we are equally misplaced). I think Routh has an equal chance myself of either succeeding or failing, but at least stop your bias and wait until you have a time to judge. Shesh.

And you're "threats" are not very frightening. I've heard worse.

"Most of SHH are flooded with positive thoughts regarding the film?" Where is this taking place?

Check the trailer review thread for starters. I could paste posters' positve thoughts if you'd like.

There has been serious dissension even on the Supes board itself so please knock off the exaggerations. Remember, we all have access to the boards here and can see things for ourselves. The discussion and reaction has been MIXED. Accept it. Damn. :p:o

I don't accept lies. The reaction to the film itself might be slightly mixed (if not somewhat positive) at this point, much like the reaction to X3 in general, but the reaction to the trailer has been STELLAR. :)

It's very awesome.

Your confidence, albeit a bit naive, is admirable.

I can say the same for your "confidence" in X3, although it's slightly more naive than mine.

And I sincerely hope that Superman Returns turns out to be everything you hope it to be. Is there anything else?

Not that I can think of.

[Slim_X]

Why is this thread even alive? :confused:

[Seen]

Sadly, for people like Seen, unless fans are praising SR as the best thing since sliced bread then they must be automatically "bashing it", or have "distorted" "pathetic misjudgement".

And that's nonsensical, warped thinking.

And you're any different?:confused:

You seem to have the same feelings and reactions to SR but in the exact opposite -- if SR isn't horrible or have mixed reactions you need to "accept" the truth. Can't you get outside your box for a second and just possibly think the reaction is actually very positive?

[Seen]

I also just want to note that I'm not biased in my thoughts on X3 at all -- I've been here since May of 2003, and posted on these boards for quite some time before Singer left.

I want X3 to be the best movie ever -- although my hope in its success is limited, I do plan on supporting the movie by seeing it opening day and taking all of my friends to see it. I want it to do good.

But alas, I'm extremely skeptical. That doesn't mean I think it will suck though, nor does it mean I think it deserves to fail. I'm just voicing my opinions like everyone else, and I hope people understand that.

Peace. :)

[Supreme Power]

Singer has already said this will be his most romantic and humerous film yet -- lighter than anything he's ever done.



This, I absolutely do not like. Even more of a rehash, and I like some of the previous movies. :o


I do not need to respect anything.



That is the problem. You don't respect anyone else's opinion, but yet they should respect yours. :o :down

I actually do read the superman boards, and no everyone elses opionion of the trailor in the review thread was not stellar. You should try reading closer.

[Seen]

This, I absolutely do not like. Even more of a rehash, and I like some of the previous movies. :o

How so? Superman stories have always been light, romantic, hopeful, encouraging.

That is the problem. You don't respect anyone else's opinion, but yet they should respect yours. :o :down

Never said anyone should.

I actually do read the superman boards, and no everyone elses opionion of the trailor in the review thread was not stellar. You should try reading closer.

Umm, it was. Maybe you were misreading?:o

[Supreme Power]

How so? Superman stories have always been light, romantic, hopeful, encouraging.
We've seen that before. Some humor is okay but I don't want this to be comedic, or overly romantic. I want to see all this action that there promising, and hope that, given he's really not figting anyone besides Lex, some of it is stuff we haven't seen before.



Never said anyone should.
Fair enough

[Hunter Rider]

I don't know where all this "everyone loved the SR teaser" stuff is coming from,there are plenty of ppl on here who thought it was mediocre and out in the real world(i.e. non fanboys) that thought it was boring

Personaly i quite liked it for what it was

[Octoberist]

Like what I've said before, The teaser for Supes was okay but it wasnt' terrible.

When you got new fotage or whatever, the teaser's job is to excite you. The Supes teaser didn't do it for me. In fact, any of the worries that I had for the movie, the teaser didn't improve or change my concerns. I just know that it'll look nice.

I'm just worried about a possible comedic Lex, and the Kid along with Richard White.

[MoiBijou]

The average feeling in Spain about the SR trailer was MEH!... better to say, it was [insert dissapointed grunt here]! :D

[lazerustheduck]

The average feeling in Spain about the SR trailer was MEH!... better to say, it was [insert dissapointed grunt here]! :D

I agree it tended to be rather MEH. What worries me is they are making the trailer form the best they have got which doesn't bode well for the film, even catwoman cout turn out a half decent trailer pity about the rest of it.

[Lightning Strykez!]

And you're any different?:confused:

You seem to have the same feelings and reactions to SR but in the exact opposite -- if SR isn't horrible or have mixed reactions you need to "accept" the truth. Can't you get outside your box for a second and just possibly think the reaction is actually very positive?


No one here has ever denied that the SR trailer has received some positive reaction--we've all acknowledged that. We've simply stated that the reaction has been mixed with some regative response. We've provided several examples that show that not all fans of the genre are pleased with what they've seen. You've chosen to ignore all of this, and your stubborn, acute fanboyism is preventing you from understanding anyone else's points here. Instead of acknowledging that there are a lot of people who both like and dislike the trailer, you'd prefer to hurl insults and personalizations to those of us with a differing opinion.

That's fine.

I can't debate with someone with the inability to concede points--especially when they are grounded in factual common sense. You've already stated that you don't respect any of our opinions, so why should we waste our energies trying to convince you of the obvious?

Therefore discussing this with you is a waste of time, at least as far as I am concerned.

[Maze]

Not necessarily. :cool:

The advantage that Bryan's X-Men films had over Brett's Rush Hour comedies is a strong A-List cast and a political message that all of us can relate to: Intolerance. THOSE are the elements that gave those films such high critical ratings, not just Bryan's direction. :o

For example: In X-Men you have acclaimed stage performers i.e. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan and Hugh Jackman. You have Oscar-Winning actresses i.e Anna Paquin and Halle Berry.

In contrast, Brett had Jackie Chan, Chris Tucker and Kung-foo grip to work with. :rolleyes: Yet interestingly enough, the times Brett did delve into darker, serious themes (i.e. with Red Dragon) the critics loved it. In other words, the palatte was different and the masterpieces reflected that.

We shall see just how good Bryan does with SR: He now doesn't have the heavily star-studded cast to buoy his works, nor does he have the controversial political message that will resonate with fans of all colors, sexes, orientations and ages. Brett, however will, and he could excel or flop with what he's been given.

And the same applies for Mr. Singer.

ok , let's see why Bryan is the best of the two:

yup , the combination of a strong cast ,Singer direction,and a political message (and i will add commercial )that all of us can relate to(that was well written don't forget that) gave those films such high critical ratings,..

(And We shall see if Simon Kinberg do another well written script..he has written by himself XX2 don't forget that...we shall see if Zach Penn is good without Marion dougherty and Dan Harris)

now note something , by you logic Usual Suspect had a disadvantage , yup it did not have the kind of political message that you're talking about..but higher critical ratings, than Xmen 1 and 2 (and than anything Ratner ever done including Red Dragon),what does it tell you?

so yes Red dragon had less good critics than Usual suspects but it had good critics..but let's examine what those critics tell us in summary:.The conscensus was it was competently made nothing more.. and althrought with a similar script and a "lesser" cast Michael Mann did Manhunter, (and great actors , but not necessarily. A listers unlike Red Dragon) a movie considered a classic , a movie which had higher rating than Red Dragon..( and it's a masterpiece imo , have you seen it? )

So Ratner did good work once when he worked with great material .. but you say that when Brett do Rush Hours with Chan , and Chris Tucker he can't do great work?How do you explain so that Tom Dey has higher critical ratings with Chan and Kung fu in Shangai noon? (and that a lot of Chan movies had higher critical ratings)

Singer , on the other hand with Usual Suspect , with a low budget movie , without A listers, Singer had more succes than Ratner ever had with his actors(including Red Dragon..and they were A listers).. And he revelead Kevin Spacey , benicio Del Toro among others to the general public, and then they had the great career that we know...well,i think that we can conclude that Singer has often found great talents.. that maybe he has a talent for it..that he is a great director of actor:Jackman had success in theater yes and in some of his movies..But in America Xmen 1 and 2 were the only movie that gain him some praise... So is Routh or Bosworth the next best thing? maybe not , but it's really possible because of Singer track record..

To conclude:

Yes we shall see just how good Bryan does with SR: but one, he has the writers who helped him to have his second best critical sucess..And they have the material to do a great movie :the story about an idealistic , naive man lost in the post 11 september era can speak to people (as does the religious overtones...if done well...Look at the Passion....) anyways what is sure is that Superman speak to a greater numbers of people in the world than Xmen...Look at the numbers.. what is sure ,althought Singer lacked in some areas of his first big budget movie ,he improved with his second one(it was not perfect then but it was close) ..and even more, it's a known fact that he had not the budget that he needed or the time(and neither with Xmen).....He has all he ever wanted with Superman.


On the other hand ,we have Brett Ratner who, althrought he has the kind of budget that Singer always wanted (..and the same sort of shedule that Singer had with the Xmovies..only with less pre production) althrought, he has great cast , althought ,that he is competent when the material is great(and again the track records of Kinberg and Penn are not great) , he couldn't be as good as another director with almost the same material and A listers..(and he showed it again with his kung fu comedies with "b" actors) he didn't improve movies after movie , he only had one critical sucess ....

For the moment, i let you guess who has the big assets as a director..

[Lightning Strykez!]

Maze,

I will tell you the same thing that I told Seen: We shall see. Monday will give us a glimpse into Brett's vision for X3, so let's just sit tight for that, shall we?

Because to be frank, I'm tired of talking about it...and I think everyone else is too.

[Maze]

No problem lighting , i'm tired too of talking about it

obviously we shall see, but you wanted to show that Ratner was(at least) as good a director as Singer, i answered you.;)

now again , believe me i love the Xmen , and i wan't nothing more than Brett to surprise us all ( and the teaser sound promising) :)

[Lightning Strykez!]

Fair enough Maze.

Thanks for replying to my challenge. :cool:

[Karategirlx2001]

Wow, much debating here for a movie that hasn't yet come out ;)

Be patient and respect others' opinions, please.

[Morgoth]

X-3 is the most anticipated movie for me. I wanna' see Ghostrider.

As for Superman Returns, they messed that movie up and now I really don't wanna' see it. I tried getting into it but, I just can't.

[Weadazoid]

as for the back and forth in this thread and in particular that whole thing about Superman Retuns being the number 1 movie based on all clicks in yahoo movies, while X men 3 has remained number 1 in previewed.


I had a feeling the overall numbers change very quickly ..trailers being viewed ect ect.


look just about a weeklater and Super Man has already slipped back down to 10th overall


http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/boxoffice/weekend/



while over in the preview section..
X3 remains number 1 despite the addition of Pirates 2 trailer

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/upcoming/


not saying it 'means anything.... just pointing it out, as it was so quickly pointed out to the X men fans Superman was number 1 overall top movie

[aaron]

im really looking forward to x-3 of course, spider-man 3, the lady in the water, and very much king kong...ok maybe even big mommas house 2 lol

[snwboarder88]

im really looking forward to x-3 of course, spider-man 3, the lady in the water, and very much king kong...ok maybe even big mommas house 2 lol

what is lady in the water about...a girl living in some peoples pool right?

[DarknessOfDeath]

#1 eh?? well lets celebrate :D

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/original5.jpg

Who will you stand with on May 26th? Will you help them(X-men) make the last stand or will you join the brotherhood of Evil Mutants?

[lordofthenerds]

#1 eh?? well lets celebrate :D

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/original5.jpg

Who will you stand with on May 26th? Will you help them(X-men) make the last stand or will you join the brotherhood of Evil Mutants?
Nah I'll just watch the movie.:up:

BTW, nice avatar Andrew, just strip her down a bit.;)

[TNC9852002]

what is lady in the water about...a girl living in some peoples pool right?
SPAAAAAAAM!.. :p

Go here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt452637/

-TNC

[LEX]

How many times are you going to post your manip, Andrew? :p

[DarknessOfDeath]

Well... I just thought... -sighs- it'll get us into the spirit of X-men MORE and look forward to the movie even MORE! :D

[lordofthenerds]

Well... I just thought... -sighs- it'll get us into the spirit of X-men MORE and look forward to the movie even MORE! :D
Okay I'll get into the second level of spirit for X-men 3 if you strip down Jennifer Gardner in your avatar. Fair?


j/k :D

[DarknessOfDeath]

what do u mean, strip down?? psst...i think she would make...a good Emma Frost or some other hot mutant. :p

[RagingTempest]

I just hope the movie doesn't become to overexposed before it's released!!!:(

[TNC9852002]

It couldn't be more overexposed than X2...

-TNC

[LEX]

^Exactly.

[DarknessOfDeath]

^Exactly.

^ What he said.

[snwboarder88]

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The only reason that it fell is because were getting closer to MI3 and Posideon. Once we hit the middle of May, and the tv spots blanket the tv, and xmen are everywhere...it will gain back what it dropped.

[britrogue]

I've never looked forward to a movie more than this one!

[TNC9852002]

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The only reason that it fell is because were getting closer to MI3 and Posideon. Once we hit the middle of May, and the tv spots blanket the tv, and xmen are everywhere...it will gain back what it dropped.
This makes some sense, only because the X3 trailer really caught on a little over 30 days ago...

-TNC

[Aiden]

I've never looked forward to a movie more than this one!Same here

[Storm22]

Neither have I, I really can't wait!!! I even feel fine about the running time now, having read Kinberg's latest answers.

It's gonna be difficult staying away from here but after today I'm gonna be MIA from these boards until I finish my exams. I'll be back with bells on around May 24th/25th though!

[Aiden]

Simon says it will be intense! I cant wait!

[antonydavanzo]

Yeah but would Simon say its "really dull and slow".

[Tony Stark]

Cool to hear. I don't understand why people want Superman and Ghost Rider to fail. I want all of them to be good ánd to do well at the BO.

I agree, I'm quite looking forward to both for different reasons. I've never been a fan of the comic book Superman, but I've loved the first two Superman movies, and Superman Returns looks like it has all the best features of the Donner films.

[snwboarder88]

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/pollresults?poll_id=13720&user_choice=10

There is a poll of the most anticapted films in may, and x3 has over 50% of votes.

[snwboarder88]

Question: Which of these May movies are you most excited about?
Sorry, you have already voted! 13322 votes since May 1 2006


An American Haunting 2% 282 votes
Hoot 1% 150 votes
Mission: Impossible III 11% 1413 votes
Just My Luck 2% 332 votes
Goal! The Dream Begins 1% 141 votes
Poseidon 3% 418 votes
The Da Vinci Code 22% 2982 votes
Over the Hedge 3% 335 votes
See No Evil 2% 267 votes
X-Men: The Last Stand 53% 7002 votes

[GothicPowerMix1]

Simon says it will be intense! I cant wait!

Its not like hes going to say

"It sucks dont see it"

[XCharlieX]

Contractually you cant badmouth your project i think. How I see it, that would destroy the means to sell the product.