Tom Welling as Superman

[triplet]

Here is a little something for the ladies. :cwink:

DO ME SUPERMAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fh-jACcuvw
1Fh-jACcuvw
&
SUPERMAN LOVER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDxNGwtm_x8
gDxNGwtm_x8

LOL!

Thanks, Billy.

:D

I liked the second one better than the first, but those were fun.

[sunflowercyn]

Yeah?

*pouts*

I thought I found a clue that something might be up....

:(

Oh, well.

Like I said, it could mean nothing and I guess it does.

Thanks for the clarification, though.

Sorry Trip....~~~pats Trip on the back~~~

I was hoping you found a clue too BTW. Well the Toronto International Film Festival finished last night so now all the big wigs at WB are back in LA so maybe this coming week we will hear some "news" start trickling out.

[AgentPat]

...the Toronto International Film Festival finished last night so now all the big wigs at WB are back in LA so maybe this coming week we will hear some "news" start trickling out.Hee! Our luck, they'll all be nursing hangovers tomorrow from all of the Emmy after parties tonight. :p

LOL! J/K

Hopefully we'll hear something this week. As far as I know, there's no holidays or industry events (other than the Emmy's tonight) this week that would slow them down. I think Miller is still down under, however. My hunch is they'd want him to be at the press release when it's announced, so if he's spotted back in LA in the near future, I'm gonna be on pins and needles.

[Billy Batson]

LOL!

Thanks, Billy.

:D

I liked the second one better than the first, but those were fun.

You're welcome my dear. :woot:

[heliorei]

Meyers is another good actor and would be an interesting choice, but man.. he looks so much like a young skinny Elvis, I'd have a really hard time seeing him as Batman. He's seems like a pretty tiny guy too, not sure there's enough time for the 'roids to kick in on that one. :D


In fact, it was Elvis, the early years. For me Meyers is a great actor and has that darkness look much like Tom has that innocent look which is great for Superman.

For me having Meyers as Batman and Welling as Superman would be awesome to show how diferent they are, showing the typical contrast between Superman and Batman.

Since Meyers is too busy with the Tudors series, I'll just have to wait to see if Welling gets the part. :cwink:

again, I'm asking Agentpat to continue sacrificing chickens in order to get our wish come true.

[AgentPat]

again, I'm asking Agentpat to continue sacrificing chickens in order to get our wish come true.Heliorei, I'll do whatever it takes. :up:






My backyard is a MESS, btw. Paging Zack Snyder; your set is ready. :wow: ;) :woot:

[AgentPat]

I'm gonna cross post this here for its relativity to the topic at hand.

The following is Amazon.com's most popular DVD sale items list in the category of Superman as of right now. The list is updated hourly:

1. SV S6
2. Superman - Doomsday
3. SV S5
4. SV S6 Blue-Ray
5. Justice League Unlimied, S1
6. SV S6 HD
7. SV S4
8. SV S3
9. SV S2
10. Justice League Unlimited S2
11. SV S1
12. Justice League S2
13. Justice League S1
14. Super Friends, The Complete Series
15. Justice League, S 1&2
16. Superman - The Animated Series, Vol 1-3
17. Superman - The Animated Series, Vol 3
18. Superman Returns Blue-Ray
19. Superman Returns Widescreen
20. Superman - The Animated Series, Vol 1

The first L&C title (S4) shows up at #29.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/dvd/923880/


Look at that list closely. Think about what that means to Warners in the grand scheme of things. :word:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Hee! Our luck, they'll all be nursing hangovers tomorrow from all of the Emmy after parties tonight. :p

LOL! J/K

Hopefully we'll hear something this week. As far as I know, there's no holidays or industry events (other than the Emmy's tonight) this week that would slow them down. I think Miller is still down under, however. My hunch is they'd want him to be at the press release when it's announced, so if he's spotted back in LA in the near future, I'm gonna be on pins and needles.

I dont think the Studios guys are gonna have much to do with the Emmy's. Those are strictly for TV right?

[AgentPat]

I dont think the Studios guys are gonna have much to do with the Emmy's. Those are strictly for TV right?I was kind of joking, but it IS Hollywood. Everybody is friends there. They all party with each other. ;)

[Serene]

Here is a little something for the ladies. :cwink:

DO ME SUPERMAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fh-jACcuvw
1Fh-jACcuvw
&
SUPERMAN LOVER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDxNGwtm_x8
gDxNGwtm_x8

Thanks, Billy. Both of those songs are great! I never heard them before.

[Billy Batson]

First song was a Studio 54 Halloween classic. :yay:

Smallville 2007 Batson made Trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT94qex1jpg
RT94qex1jpg

[Serene]

Smallville 2007 Batson made Trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT94qex1jpg
RT94qex1jpg


Awesome stuff, Billy. :up:

The closing shot cracked me up.

[sunflowercyn]

I saw this posted over at DTTW and it is SO GOOD!:hyper:

Superman Reborn

Credit to: Tommygerl for sharing the information and (YouTube Member) WormyT for creating it.

Wait to you see the unreal job someone did with Tom as Superman...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NIFvrV4VP4

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Super old news (pun intended)

[The Joker_1000]

So, any word on if Tom will put on those tights this season?

[Billy Batson]

Super old news (pun intended)

:woot: lol.

[AgentPat]

So, any word on if Tom will put on those tights this season?How odd? I swore I responded to this post already, but I don't see it? Gah. Board gremlins.

Vegeta, it depends on if this is the last season. If it is, then yes. Last episode, sometime in May of '08. If it isn't the last season however, and they take it to S8, then no, we won't see that till May of '09. Put a pot of coffee on; it's gonna be a while. ;)

[avidreader]

edit.

[Kalleo]

Well if its the last season and they do have him in the tights I hope they dont go with the SR suit. Maybe a classic feel I hope.

[AgentPat]

Hmm... Well, for what it's worth, more rumors from CountingDown...


Question: You have batman on film and superherohype claiming that they have "sources" stating that Welling is not in the running anymore for Superman. I really should take those posts with a grain of salt, but I am not really feeling any confidence here.

It's not even a guarantee that Welling's involvement will be announced next week. I am hoping that his casting doesn't fall apart.


Answer: It hasn't fallen apart, but I'm hearing money is playing an issue right now and delaying announcements.





It always comes down to money. ALWAYS! Duh! :ninja:

[avidreader]

^^^ I wonder who's asking for the money. :cwink:

[AgentPat]

^^^ I wonder who's asking for the money. :cwink:I'll take Hans and Franz for a hundred, Alex. ;)

[AgentPat]

ROFLMFAO... Oh MAN! It's getting interesting over at CountingDown. The last post there is gonna start one helluva controversy over yonder. :ninja:

Anyhoo, here's the WELLING-JLA related portions:


"From what I know, everything was pretty set, but then contract wording and legal mumbo jumbo had one side taking a step back and money started getting in the way because of the Smallville contracts BUT....I was assured that it doesn't look like anything that can't be worked out. The only other issue coming up is WB wants actors that Miller doesn't which is why he hasn't been officially announced yet either.

These things all could have changed as it's been about a week since I've had any news other than......" [snipped for peace on the SMALLVILLE boards.] ;)

[Zorex]

Oh, geez. Again, the same old, same old. "Contracts, blah blah blah, Miller, blah blah blah, soon. Blah blah."

I'm bored with all of this. I need my S6 set and for S7 to start.

[AgentPat]

Oh, geez. Again, the same old, same old. "Contracts, blah blah blah, Miller, blah blah blah, soon. Blah blah."

I'm bored with all of this. I need my S6 set and for S7 to start.Patience, grasshopper. And the S6 box set is amazing. Whatcha waiting for? Go out. NOW. Buy that sucker. :D :up:

[Zorex]

Patience, grasshopper. And the S6 box set is amazing. Whatcha waiting for? Go out. NOW. Buy that sucker. :D :up:
Patience bah. I'm still mildly excited about the prospect of this possible film, but, really, the news we keep getting isn't news at all. So, whatever, time to forget about it all, until something actually happens.

Come to think of it, we haven't hardly had much real news at all. More like rumors, more rumors, speculations, whisperations, and many people saying, "Well, WB IS planning on doing it!" I'm looking for something a bit more concrete.

As for the S6 set, I'm waiting on a friend who works on the Warners lot to pick it up for me with her discount at the studio store. Plus...there's absolutely no need, a.k.a. too much work, for me to have it today.

[AgentPat]

Patience bah. I'm still mildly excited about the prospect of this possible film, but, really, the news we keep getting isn't news at all. So, whatever, time to forget about it all, until something actually happens.

Come to think of it, we haven't hardly had much real news at all. More like rumors, more rumors, speculations, whisperations, and many people saying, "Well, WB IS planning on doing it!" I'm looking for something a bit more concrete.Well, rumors iz all we's got right now. Something is better than nothing, right? Think of it as the calm before the storm, 'cause once Warners makes that announcement - whatever it is - all hell's gonna break loose. Just sayin'. :wow:

As for the S6 set, I'm waiting on a friend who works on the Warners lot to pick it up for me with her discount at the studio store. Plus...there's absolutely no need, a.k.a. too much work, for me to have it today.The Green Arrow retrospective on Disc 1 is the best, and there's a deleted scene from Labyrinth that has me scratching my head to this day as to why it was... well, deleted. Gah! :csad:

[Serene]

The Green Arrow retrospective on Disc 1 is the best, and there's a deleted scene from Labyrinth that has me scratching my head to this day as to why it was... well, deleted. Gah! :csad:

I really liked the deleted clips from Progeny (Clark and Martha) and Crimson (Martha and Lana) too. :(

My WinDVD is doing BAD THINGS. :mad: I think I need to d/l something else to play DVDs and make caps. Any suggestions? Wrong thread, I know...

[Zorex]

Well, rumors iz all we's got right now. Something is better than nothing, right? Think of it as the calm before the storm, 'cause once Warners makes that announcement - whatever it is - all hell's gonna break loose. Just sayin'. :wow:

The Green Arrow retrospective on Disc 1 is the best, and there's a deleted scene from Labyrinth that has me scratching my head to this day as to why it was... well, deleted. Gah! :csad:
Yes, yes, I know, all we have is rumours. And that's what I tire of. Enough for me! For now. My interest was there, and it'll be back should anything really...actually...happen.

I'm looking forward to watching Labyrinth again. The first viewing was not pleasant.
I really liked the deleted clips from Progeny (Clark and Martha) and Crimson (Martha and Lana) too. :(

Clark and Martha deleted scenes?? Blasphemy. I'm excited.

[AgentPat]

I really liked the deleted clips from Progeny (Clark and Martha) and Crimson (Martha and Lana) too. :(

My WinDVD is doing BAD THINGS. :mad: I think I need to d/l something else to play DVDs and make caps. Any suggestions? Wrong thread, I know...I use PowerDVD. Seems to work okay, though I wish I could get caps bigger than 848x480, which have to be resized to look right. My only other option is to go analog, and that's just stupid - but I've done it before LOL.

Anyhoo, just to keep it on topic...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/owned2.jpg

[Pat waves to Zing.] LOL!!! Yes, I saved it. I hope it comes in handy. ;)

[Serene]

Clark and Martha deleted scenes?? Blasphemy. I'm excited.

Omg.. and it's a WONDERFUL scene, even though it's very short.

[AgentPat]

Deja '04. More from CountingDown:


Question: Just for further clarification here is the hang-up between WB Studios and the Smallville people? or between Welling's people and WB Studios?

And when you say WB wants actors that Miller doesn't want, does that include Welling?

Answer: To the best of my knowledge, Welling is not Miller's choice for SUperman and neither is Ryan Reynolds for Flash. WB is trying to listen to fans for once and there's a huge call for Welling to suit up. I'm not sure who has what problem with which contract. I wish I did. All I can say is the same source who's given me all the info I've posted about SR, SR2, and JLA in the last year and a half says Welling should be signing a deal. Anything can happen in Hollywood, but my money is still on him being in JLA as she hasn't let me down yet.


If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is 'cause I've heard it all before, I hope Warners sticks to their guns this time. "You want the gig? Here's the deal..."

[Zorex]

It's disconcerting to hear that Welling isn't Miller's top choice. Just...do it. Really.

[AgentPat]

It's disconcerting to hear that Welling isn't Miller's top choice. Just...do it. Really.Like I said, I've heard this scenario before. Warners wants one thing and the director wants something else. Well, it's Monday morning, and the QB was sacked last night, so the coach better update his plays 'cause the owner is getting pissed.....



Ack! Sorry. Momentary lapse of JackMercy syndrome. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/oopz.gif

[Serene]

Hm. Bizarro. I made a post above that didn't show up.. or something.

Anywhooo, what I said was that it seems like a really awkward situation for all parties to force an actor on a director, and for an actor to have to work for a director that he knows didn't want him.

[Zorex]

Like I said, I've heard this scenario before. Warners wants one thing and the director wants something else. Well, it's Monday morning, and the QB was sacked last night, so the coach better update his plays 'cause the owner is getting pissed.....



Ack! Sorry. Momentary lapse of JackMercy syndrome. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/oopz.gif
Or just straight male vernacular syndrome.

[AgentPat]

Hm. Bizarro. I made a post above that didn't show up.. or something.

Anywhooo, what I said was that it seems like a really awkward situation for all parties to force an actor on a director, and for an actor to have to work for a director that he knows didn't want him.A studio can't force a director to use an actor he/she doesn't want. It could be a condition for accepting the gig, however. "If you want the job, this is who we want offered the roles first. Take it or leave it."

Y'all have heard this before; I knoooows ya have. ;)

Bear in mind these are all rumors. And even if they're true, we have no idea to what degree either side is adamant in their resolve, though speculation of intensity increases with each day Warners delays an official announcement. I wonder who will flinch first?

[KBX]

Well if Welling and Reynolds isn't Millers first choice, I would like to know who is. Than I'll decide.

Honestly I can't think of anyone better than Reynolds for Flash, and Welling for Superman simply because we don't need 3 Supermen in the media....

[AgentPat]

Or just straight male vernacular syndrome.No interest in football, Zorex? :D ;)

[Zorex]

No, I....wait, what's that?

[The Incredible Hulk]

IMO it sounds like the hang up is between the Smallville guys and WB Studios and until that gets worked out Welling cant sign his deal lest he be breaching his current contract, however this source seems to indicate that this will likely get done and they're just doing some sabre-rattling trying to squeeze all they can out of WB. Pretty commonplace for a lot of contract deals BTW, you think it's done and then after reviewing the terms of the latest proposal in further detail you find something else you dont like. From my experience if they've gotten to the point where all theyre haggling over is money (especially here where scheduling is likely the biggest stumbling block to be negotiated) that's usually a good sign.

As for the Miller news, doesnt surprise me that he has his own ideas for the casting but those things tend to get worked out before a director signs on. If WB is indeed offering Tom and Ryan deals, I'd assume that those issues that Miller has have been addressed. It's not like they're going to surprise him with something like that.

[AgentPat]

Well if Welling and Reynolds isn't Millers first choice, I would like to know who is. Than I'll decide.

Honestly I can't think of anyone better than Reynolds for Flash, and Welling for Superman simply because we don't need 3 Supermen in the media....Gotta agree with ya there, though having three Superman isn't a big deal to me, as long as Welling is one of 'em. I don't mind having different actors at the same time in the same role. That NEVER bothered me at all. I just want my guy to be an option, 'cause he's my Superman. I can chose to watch or ignore everybody else. That's the beauty of having choices. :D

As to Warners pushing for Welling and Reynolds, that makes complete sense to me. Reynolds as Flash goes w/o saying - he is The Fan Favorite for the role, and Miller would be an IDIOT to not want him. JMHO.

Same deal with Welling. The single most asked SV-related question has always been, "when's he gonna pull on the tights?" Then they want to know when Batman is gonna appear on the show. LOL Warners doesn't need any high tech audience research to know what people have been begging for; Helen Keller could see that.

But again, these are all just rumors. Who knows what's *really* going on?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

All I got to say is the Smallville guys better be prepared to be the most hated guys in TV land & quite possibly even more hated then Singer & they are going to kill their own show if this movie does happen & Toms not in the role because of them. They will make Singer look good.

[Zorex]

While I may not agree with...the mindset (or is it just the wording?), I agree with the moral of your story...G&M could end up with many verrrry unhappy fans if they end up responsible for close-but-missed/stopped opportunity for Welling to play Superman on the big screen.

[Kalleo]

While I may not agree with...the mindset (or is it just the wording?), I agree with the moral of your story...G&M could end up with many verrrry unhappy fans if they end up responsible for close-but-missed/stopped opportunity for Welling to play Superman on the big screen.


Yeah talk about being so close to alienating your fan base. I mean if it truly came down to G&M killing the deal can you imagine the backlash?

Right now I feel like a kid at the conference championship game before the Superbowl crossing my fingers hoping my team makes it to the big game. Welling better get his shot at the Superman ring.

[TWistim]

Yeah talk about being so close to alienating your fan base. I mean if it truly came down to G&M killing the deal can you imagine the backlash?

Right now I feel like a kid at the conference championship game before the Superbowl crossing my fingers hoping my team makes it to the big game. Welling better get his shot at the Superman ring.


Welcome to "the coalition of the Welling," Kalleo. (And to the Hype, of course) :yay:

[Kalleo]

Welcome to "the coalition of the Welling," Kalleo. (And to the Hype, of course) :yay:


Thank you for the welcome I was a lurker for a long time and well would have posted back in July but my damn spam filter kept deleting the authentication email LOL. But all is good now.

[Zorex]

Yeah talk about being so close to alienating your fan base. I mean if it truly came down to G&M killing the deal can you imagine the backlash?

Right now I feel like a kid at the conference championship game before the Superbowl crossing my fingers hoping my team makes it to the big game. Welling better get his shot at the Superman ring.
Really?....more sports analogies...? :p

[Migu-EL]

Welcome to "the coalition of the Welling,"


Where do I sign up?:cwink:

[TWistim]

Where do I sign up?:cwink:

Are you a die-hard fan of Tom's? :yay: :cwink: Is he your Superman?

(I think TW4Supes was the one who coined the phrase. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif )

[Kalleo]

Are you a die-hard fan of Tom's? :yay: :cwink:

(I think TW4Supes was the one who coined the phrase. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif )


Yeah I just signed up myself...

[AgentPat]

Really?....more sports analogies...? :phttp://www.patcostello.com/temp/hailmary2.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/bronxcheer.gif

[The Incredible Hulk]

(I think TW4Supes was the one who coined the phrase. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif )

*cough*

[Migu-EL]

Are you a die-hard fan of Tom's? :yay: :cwink: Is he your Superman?

(I think TW4Supes was the one who coined the phrase. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif )

:up:
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/avatar.php?userid=27992&dateline=1161200092

[TWistim]

*cough*

Was it you, Hulk?

[avidreader]

Was it you, Hulk?

I think he just needs some Nyquil. :cwink:




Yeah, it was definitely him. :woot:

[StorminNorman]

Tom Welling is my Clark Kent.
Brandon Routh is my Superman.
Michael Rosenbaum is the reason I watch Smallville. :heart:

[TWistim]

Was it you, Hulk?


Yeah, it was definitely him. :woot:

Oooops! My bad. :o

Thanks for clearing that up, Avid.

[AgentPat]

We're almost there folks.... :oldrazz:


From Sanchez:

Guys, I know that its been a little quiet on the JL front, just got a call, waiting for a couple more in the next 24 hours, hearing stuff from the studio side, casting talk, Supes/Bats and so on, let you know soon.

[StorminNorman]

Please let this news prove to be as false as the Johnny Depp as Joker rumors.

[avidreader]

We're almost there folks.... :oldrazz:


From Sanchez:

Must contain excitement. :ninja:

[AgentPat]

Must contain excitement. :ninja:At this point, I just want to hear it's HAPPENING. Miller being announced as the director would put a big fat smile on my face, and Welling... well... I've got "911" programmed in my phone for that, 'cause I'm gonna need it. :heart:

And if the Welling news happens before I leave for Vegas, I'm gonna owe MJZ lunch. I hope he picks a good restaurant, 'cause I'll want to celebrate with unabashed glee. :D

[Showtime]

So you guys think its Welling?

[zerohour films]

So you guys think its Welling?

To me if you go by how things look on the Smallville front (Supergirl being introduced, MB's contract over after this season, etc.).
I think it could line up well for him to take the role.

But what do I know.

I personally just want Supes in live action to continue. Although I wouldn't mind seeing him suit up after all this time.

[Serene]

So you guys think its Welling?

We're certainly hoping like hell. :D

Even if it's not, honestly, I've really enjoyed seeing all the support delurking for him. After all these years of really hard work, it's good to see the guy is appreciated.

:heart:

[AgentPat]

So you guys think its Welling?You mean the announcement? I think the first official word from the studio will be that they're making a JL film and that Miller will be directing. Anything more than that will be gravy. Thick, juicy gravy. :D

Do I think in the end Welling will be Superman in said film? Ah jeeze, Showtime, I HOPE so. I really, REALLY hope so. But I'm not gonna slit my wrists if it doesn't happen LOL. I've been down this road once before. I'm keeping my hopes up, but I know it's Hollywood. And we all know that "nobody knows anything in Hollywood." [/William Goldman]

[ZIPBAGS]

I cannot believe Miller doesn't want Reynolds for Flash. Whats up with that?

I hope Welling gets the role. Would be bummed if this was all BS.

Finally, I am surprised the studio is listening to the fans. Especially, with some of the story suggestions coming out of the rumor dept.

[AgentPat]

I cannot believe Miller doesn't want Reynolds for Flash. Whats up with that?Keep in mind it's a rumor at this point. There is absolutely no confirmation from the studio that Reynolds is even in consideration, never mind being an actor that Miller doesn't want. Same goes for Welling, unfortunately. We just have to wait and see.

I hope Welling gets the role. Would be bummed if this was all BS.Ditto!

Finally, I am surprised the studio is listening to the fans. Especially, with some of the story suggestions coming out of the rumor dept.There have been many instances where a studio or film was influenced by the fans. The most recent example that comes to mind was Samuel L. Jackson's "I've had it with these expletive snakes on this expletive plane!!!" line from Snakes on a Plane. That was inspired by people's comments on one of the film's message boards. Quotable, yes, but still relatively insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

It's more interesting however when fans can actually sway a studio in a film's direction or casting. Here's some interesting comments from writer/director David Goyer on that subject:

Question: The internet plays a big role in the marketing of films like Blade and Batman, but how does it affect you when something happens like the Batman script leak? How does it affect how you work?

Goyer: In the case of that leak, and again it was an early draft and I had done a draft after that, generally the response was so good it didn't matter. Warner Bros was happy – they weren't happy it leaked, but they were happy the response was good. It was sort of the polar opposite of what happened when the Superman script leaked. If it leaks and people generally say it's great, then fine.

But you just have to – there are pros and cons to what's happening with the internet. The fan response on the internet definitely pushed Warner Bros to make decisions about Batman and Superman because there was so much outrage about where things were being developed that they felt they needed to go with more credible directors. And a more fan-credible writer. The general response on Batman was so good that that emboldened Warner Bros to go for Bryan Singer, even though it was a very painful decision for them because they were very far down the line with McG. It does have an effect.

But it can also be detrimental, because there's no accountability on the internet and sometimes people lie. There are positive plants from people who review scripts and films but there are negative plants, too, where people are just trying to bash you because they're competitors.

Question: Does it effect you as a filmmaker when there's that immediate internet feedback, when you're filming and shots from the set show up online and elicit a response?

Goyer: It cant when you're doing it because you'll just go insane. Also the problem with the internet is that the people who are posting when they're rabid, even though a lot of them are smart, are a very small portion of the audience. I mean, incrementally small. They're a very vocal but very small group, and not necessarily representative of the broader audience. I think any time you try to specifically cater to any audience – at the end of the day you make the best film you can and see if it hits with an audience or not.

http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=interviews&id=634

[The Incredible Hulk]

Something is definitely up for May 2009, because something big is scaring off Disney (http://movies.ign.com/articles/821/821154p1.html)(Narnia) and now Dreamworks (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=3294) (Monsters and Aliens). These big movies are clearing the way for something, could be JLA, could be something else but no one seems to want any part of May 2009.

[Pickle-El]

Something is definitely up for May 2009, because something big is scaring off Disney (http://movies.ign.com/articles/821/821154p1.html)(Narnia) and now Dreamworks (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=3294) (Monsters and Aliens). These big movies are clearing the way for something, could be JLA, could be something else but no one seems to want any part of May 2009.

Battle Angel and Avatar are slated to also be released in May/June of 09'.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0437086/

Just throwing that out there.

[ZIPBAGS]

Something is definitely up for May 2009, because something big is scaring off Disney (http://movies.ign.com/articles/821/821154p1.html)(Narnia) and now Dreamworks (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=3294) (Monsters and Aliens). These big movies are clearing the way for something, could be JLA, could be something else but no one seems to want any part of May 2009.


Don't get excited. The movie coming out is "Harold & Kumar, pt.3". :woot:

[KBX]

Don't get excited. The movie coming out is "Harold & Kumar, pt.3". :woot:

Oh I hope the 2nd one is gonna be good so there will be a 3rd one!!

[The Incredible Hulk]

Battle Angel and Avatar are slated to also be released in May/June of 09'.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0437086/

Just throwing that out there.

well BA wouldnt be an issue since it's a June release but Avatar has had that slot for a while even before M&A I believe, and is that really a big enough project to scare off the likes of Disney and Dreamworks? I know it's a Cameron film, but still....

[Zorex]

From what I've heard, it IS a very big project...

[Gmanofsteel]

Must contain excitement. :ninja:

same here :ninja:

Are you a die-hard fan of Tom's? :yay: :cwink: Is he your Superman?

(I think TW4Supes was the one who coined the phrase. )

*cough*

Yeah it's hulks phrase, but I might just be the first to proudly use it :cool: :up:

So you guys think its Welling?

Hell yeah! :D

[Gmanofsteel]

Goyer: Also the problem with the internet is that the people who are posting when they're rabid, even though a lot of them are smart, are a very small portion of the audience. I mean, incrementally small. They're a very vocal but very small group, and not necessarily representative of the broader audience.
Quoted for truth :up:

[Lighthouse]

well BA wouldnt be an issue since it's a June release but Avatar has had that slot for a while even before M&A I believe, and is that really a big enough project to scare off the likes of Disney and Dreamworks? I know it's a Cameron film, but still....

Did I miss something? Is Cameron directing two movies? I was pretty sure Battle Angel was on the back burner so that he could do Avatar.

[StorminNorman]

I have a problem with Welling playing JLA Supes.

Just as I have a problem with Routh playing JLA Supes if this Superman is not the same Superman from the other movies.

It would confuse the hell out of an already stupid movie going audience. If Welling plays Superman in this Justice League, you need to make it Smallville: The Movie.

[The Incredible Hulk]

*sigh* not this argument again...

no you dont have to make it "Smallville the movie." No one else from the show or Superman lore for that matter will even be in the JLA film. They dont have to even reference anything from the show. That's why this works, as opposed to putting him in a Superman film with a different cast.

[StorminNorman]

*sigh* not this argument again...

no you dont have to make it "Smallville the movie." No one else from the show or Superman lore for that matter will even be in the JLA film. They dont have to even reference anything from the show. That's why this works, as opposed to putting him in a Superman film with a different cast.

Yes, you do. People get confused. People are stupid. Many consider Batman Begins to be a prequel.

Again - its the same reason why they are not going to use Bale or Routh. People connect actors to franchises. Tom Welling has no business being Superman if it is not a Smallville movie.

[Gmanofsteel]

Yes, you do. People get confused. People are stupid. Many consider Batman Begins to be a prequel.

And yet they are still making TDK so regardless of what some people might think, it didn't kill the franchise and it really doesn't matter.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Yes, you do. People get confused. People are stupid. Many consider Batman Begins to be a prequel.

I fail to see how that situation is analogous to this one? Welling isnt wearing the suit in Smallville and wont be around any of the same characters in the JLA. (Technically it will be a completely different role for him seeing as how he doesnt play a fully realized Superman on Smallville).Two things that cant be said for Begins vs. the other Bat films. Not to mention people cant be that dumb if Begins did well enough to have a sequel.


Again - its the same reason why they are not going to use Bale or Routh. People connect actors to franchises.

That's not the reason they're not using Bale or Routh. They're not using Bale because they want Nolan's Bat franchise to continue along side of it, and Nolan's Batman doesnt exist in a world with things like the JLA. His Batman is grounded in reality, that was the point of him doing it. Routh on the other hand, doesnt seem to have really caught on with the public, and didnt do anything special with the role. Although I do think to an extent they want to distance JLA from Singer's Superman seeing as how the guys at WB backing JLA seem to hate Singer's Superman.


Tom Welling has no business being Superman if it is not a Smallville movie.

Says who? He's got plenty of business doing it as he's been Clark Kent for longer than any person ever at this point. This wouldnt exactly be anything new. Kenneth Branagh played Hamlet for years on stage and TV before being cast for the role in a major Hollywood film with an entirely new cast around him BTW.

[Gmanofsteel]

Not to mention people cant be that dumb if Begins did well enough to have a sequel.
I have to admit though, a few days after Begins came out I was eating at a restraunt and my waiter over heard me talking about Smallville and he and I had a comic related conversation. I had to inform him that BB was actually not a prequel but the first film in a brand new franchise. :O

[Eddie Brock]

My friend thought it was a prequel.

I said, "Well...we know who's going to be the villain in the sequel."

And he was like, "There isn't going to be a sequel. This is supposed to come before the 1989 movie."

[Gmanofsteel]

That's not the reason they're not using Bale or Routh. They're not using Bale because they want Nolan's Bat franchise to continue along side of it, and Nolan's Batman doesnt exist in a world with things like the JLA. His Batman is grounded in reality, that was the point of him doing it. Routh on the other hand, doesnt seem to have really caught on with the public, and didnt do anything special with the role. Although I do think to an extent they want to distance JLA from Singer's Superman seeing as how the guys at WB backing JLA seem to hate Singer's Superman.

One of the sure reasons why BR won't be in JLA is also because during the alleged time of the JLA filming, BR will be doing another film.

[Gmanofsteel]

My friend thought it was a prequel.

I said, "Well...we know who's going to be the villain in the sequel."

And he was like, "There isn't going to be a sequel. This is supposed to come before the 1989 movie."

That's what happens when all people do is watch the movie and never read anything else about it :O Ironic how people can make such painfully obvious assumptions and treat their own opinions as fact :p

[The Incredible Hulk]

also Smallville has a core audience of about 5 million people per week in the US. (6.5 million in it's hey day) Most people who go to see the film may not have ever watched an episode of the show so its not like there's going to be this mass confusion that you'd have if Welling had played Superman in some box office smash hit.

[Gmanofsteel]

also Smallville has a core audience of about 5 million people per week in the US. (6.5 million in it's hey day) Most people who go to see the film may not have ever watched an episode of the show so its not like there's going to be this mass confusion that you'd have if Welling had played Superman in some box office smash hit.

There is also the percentage who doesn't religiously watch the show, but will remember hearing his name and think "oh yeah the guy who is clark kent on smallville, that will be cool to see him as Superman".

[AgentPat]

Jeeze. And I thought August of '04 was bad. :O

Anyhoo, the latest from Sanchez:

ladies and gents, I will be posting an update on JL by Friday night, I promise. Just trying to get things confirmed and/or debunked.


Everybody keep your fingers crossed. :hyper:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/iceberg.jpg

[KBX]

ladies and gents, I will be posting an update on JL by Friday night, I promise. Just trying to get things confirmed and/or debunked.

That sounds nice and all, its just I fear that his update will be that this movie will not happen..... sigh....

[AgentPat]

That sounds nice and all, its just I fear that his update will be that this movie will not happen..... sigh....Y'know, if that's the case, then so be it. I just want something I can sink my teeth into with some assurance it's real. One way or the other; lets get some answers. Throw this baby into the pond and lets see if it sinks or swims. I'm getting whiplash flipping back and forth between forums. :D

[Gmanofsteel]

Jeeze. And I thought August of '04 was bad. :O

Anyhoo, the latest from Sanchez:




Everybody keep your fingers crossed. :hyper:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/iceberg.jpg

Always loved that pic :D :up:

[AgentPat]

Always loved that pic :D :up:Heh. You aint seen NUTHIN' yet.

Waiting. Juussssst waiting.... :hyper:

[KBX]

Y'know, if that's the case, then so be it. I just want something I can sink my teeth into with some assurance it's real. One way or the other; lets get some answers. Throw this baby into the pond and lets see if it sinks or swims. I'm getting whiplash flipping back and forth between forums. :D

Then I tell myself there have been hints, such as the casting sides for a JL movie in New York, Vancouver, Toronto, and the Superman Homepage stating that this movie will shoot after Wolvernine in Fox studies beginning Feburary...

Ok I've come to the conclusion that JL might happen, just not with Tom Welling in it, thus an 8th season of Smallville...:whatever:

[AgentPat]

...I've come to the conclusion that JL might happen, just not with Tom Welling in it, thus an 8th season of Smallville...:whatever:I'm keeping an open mind that no matter what happens, it'll be a good thing. S7->JL or S7->S8. I'll only be pissed if it ends with S7 and we don't get a JL film. LOL

[Justice Bringer]

I was thinking..

Wouldnt it simply be alot easier to write the JL script within the continuity of Smallville if they want to use Welling?

The Mulrooney's script has Superman meeting Aquaman and Flash for the first time among other things and different characterizations.

Should they just keep the Smallville Justice League lineup with the existing actors as an established team and add Green Lantern, Superman and Batman to it....as opposed to negating SV?

Smallville already has Green Arrow, Cyborg, Aquaman, Bart Allen, Martian Manhunter established and this year; Black Canary added to the mix.

I was thinking if they want to use Welling; they could set JL in the 'not too distant future' (like X-men) after Clark has completed his years of training and have him rejoin the existing Justice League from Smallville while introducing some new characters.

Keeping the Smallville continuity also opens the doors for Rosenbaum and Durance to appear in future installments if Welling is cast.

It just seems alot less convoluted than having Welling play a version of the character thats different from Smallville in a different continuity. His appearance alone draws immediate connections to Smallville.

[The Incredible Hulk]

who says Black Canary will be on Smallville this year? :confused:

[Justice Bringer]

Oliver is returning with a new JL member; its obviously Black Canary. Explains why Lois is pissed off again.

Any other character would get his own focus episode but given how secondary she is (and how tied to Oliver Queen) it makes sense.

I can't imagine who else it would be.

[ZIPBAGS]

It would make sense if they bring another female hero into Smallville that it be Black Canary. Like the above poster said. She has ties to Green Arrow. Actually, it would make even more sense. Since one of the big things in the comics now is their upcoming marriage. And the fact that both Green Arrow and Black Canary have been getting a lot of stories lately. (ie-Green Arrow, year one and a couple of Black Canary minis).

On the Friday news about JLA. I hope its good. :)

Actually, here are a couple of recent and upcoming comic covers....


JLA Wedding Special (Superman busting out of the cake ;) )
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/7945_400x600.jpg


Green Arrow/Black Canary Wedding Special
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/7948_400x600.jpg

[Showtime]

You mean the announcement? I think the first official word from the studio will be that they're making a JL film and that Miller will be directing. Anything more than that will be gravy. Thick, juicy gravy. :D

Do I think in the end Welling will be Superman in said film? Ah jeeze, Showtime, I HOPE so. I really, REALLY hope so. But I'm not gonna slit my wrists if it doesn't happen LOL. I've been down this road once before. I'm keeping my hopes up, but I know it's Hollywood. And we all know that "nobody knows anything in Hollywood." [/William Goldman]

I guess everybody will just have to be patient and see what happens. I have to keep my mind of the Red Sox.

[Showtime]

To me if you go by how things look on the Smallville front (Supergirl being introduced, MB's contract over after this season, etc.).
I think it could line up well for him to take the role.

But what do I know.

I personally just want Supes in live action to continue. Although I wouldn't mind seeing him suit up after all this time.

I am wondering what will happen in regards to Welling, so many hurdles to go through. We'll see how it plays out.

[Showtime]

Something is definitely up for May 2009, because something big is scaring off Disney (http://movies.ign.com/articles/821/821154p1.html)(Narnia) and now Dreamworks (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=3294) (Monsters and Aliens). These big movies are clearing the way for something, could be JLA, could be something else but no one seems to want any part of May 2009.

MOS! :yay: :dry: :csad: :cmad:

[musclesforsupes]

:csad: NEED NEWS~!!!!!

[Migu-EL]

MOS! :yay: :dry: :csad: :cmad:

LOL:oldrazz:

Good one!:woot:

[KalKai]

The countingdown chick is saying she got some news this morning regarding Welling/Gosling but hasn't posted anything yet.

This is torture.

[StorminNorman]

The idea of Black Canary joining Green Arrow makes me forgive all the stupidity Season Seven will have in advance.

We need a Green Arrow spinoff damn it!

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I'm crossing my fingers... But all I can say is if they don't cast Tom, whether it will be Gough and Millar or Warner Bros. or all of them, there will be a huge backlash on them for screwing the fans once more...

[musclesforsupes]

I'm crossing my fingers... But all I can say is if they don't cast Tom, whether it will be Gough and Millar or Warner Bros. or all of them, there will be a huge backlash on them for screwing the fans once more...


I agree I mean once is forgiveable but if they do this again and if Tom backs out of the role because of money or little differences then I just dont think I could watch Smallville anymore

[musclesforsupes]

Hopefully some news will happen tonight.

[ZIPBAGS]

The idea of Black Canary joining Green Arrow makes me forgive all the stupidity Season Seven will have in advance.

We need a Green Arrow spinoff damn it!

I am really surprised CW didn't want to spin off Green Arrow and the others. It was one of the highest rated episodes. And it would allow future cameos from Welling as Supes.

[ZIPBAGS]

The countingdown chick is saying she got some news this morning regarding Welling/Gosling but hasn't posted anything yet.

This is torture.

Alright, who is the "countingdown chick"??

[RakuMon]

I know Pat is always quoting Counting Down.com, but how reliable is that site, really? I'm not being facetious either. I'd never heard of that site until Pat started porting over notable quotes from their posters. Do they have a good track record? Say what you will about IESB, but at least they've had some scoops prove true recently (like their G.I. Joe exclusives).

[KalKai]

It's not the site per-se, she is not an admin over there or anything, she believes countingdown is the better site hence why she posts all her info there.

Anyway here's what she had to say about the recent news:

Haven't posted it anywhere yet as it came from a different source than where I usually get info from. Aparently, a specific entertainment news website that will remain nameless at the moment has received info that came directly from within WB concerning JLA, but until I confirm it with those who I know, I'm not going to say what it is. No need to add fuel to rumors already going around. I will say nothing I was told had anything to do with Man of Steel. It was all Justice League casting stuff.

It's only a matter of hours.

[AgentPat]

This is freakin' TORTURE! Nobody is showing their hand or giving the slightest hint one way or another. If Jayne said the news "sucked," eluding to her not being happy (we know who SHE wants), or if Robert said "vindication was at hand," eluding to his reputation being secure (LOL!) then at LEAST we'd have an *idea* of what to expect without having it confirmed either way.

That said, I'm glad to hear Jayne ruled out my worst fear. Because at the end of the day, I could handle just about anybody as Superman right now with one exception. :o

Regardless, I. Just. Want. To. KNOW! gudammit. :(

Anybody have any idea which website they'll break it on? Latino Review? EW? BlueTights? (LOLOL!) :p

[The Incredible Hulk]

I know Pat is always quoting Counting Down.com, but how reliable is that site, really? I'm not being facetious either. I'd never heard of that site until Pat started porting over notable quotes from their posters. Do they have a good track record? Say what you will about IESB, but at least they've had some scoops prove true recently (like their G.I. Joe exclusives).

She called the Welling thing almost 2 1/2 weeks before IESB said it. granted that hasnt proven true yet, but if you put stock in anything Sanchez says, you should probably have some faith in her at this juncture since she beat him to the punch by a good amount of time.

and I hope you guys have been asking her permission to post her stuff here, or atleast have the courtesy to provide a link to it.


Anybody have any idea which website they'll break it on? Latino Review? EW? BlueTights? (LOLOL!)

I took her quote to mean it was one of THE big ones like Variety, HR, etc. Don't those sites update at night from the previous days news?

[Showtime]

I would imagine posting stuff on the internet, especially forums is fair game.

[KalKai]

Invite her here, lol.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I would imagine posting stuff on the internet, especially forums is fair game.


i'd tend to agree but it seems to bother her so why bite the hand that feeds you? or that you think feeds you? err or that you want to feed you? oh the hell with it, you know what I mean ;)

[Pickle-El]

well BA wouldnt be an issue since it's a June release but Avatar has had that slot for a while even before M&A I believe, and is that really a big enough project to scare off the likes of Disney and Dreamworks? I know it's a Cameron film, but still....

It is Avatar....

Today's Variety:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972295.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

[OobeDoobBenubi]

So the Countingdown Chick & Robert are both saying they got news & that even another news web site has news to. Thats alot of news

[AgentPat]

and I hope you guys have been asking her permission to post her stuff here, or atleast have the courtesy to provide a link to it.I did, but after she through a nutty yesterday, I decided to stop bringing her posts over here. Everybody knows where to go now regardless, so unless something HUGE happens - and we'll probably ALL know about it at that point - it's just empty "news" right now. Nobody is saying anything of substance LOL.

I took her quote to mean it was one of THE big ones like Variety, HR, etc. Don't those sites update at night from the previous days news?OH yeah! I didn't even think about that. Duh! You're right. :up:

Variety updates news as it happens. Last night's Dreamworks and Disney pic moves were posted around 7pm EST. Interesting story on that, btw. I wonder if they'll release JL in Imax, 'cause that will limit their window options?

I would imagine posting stuff on the internet, especially forums is fair game.Yup. Agree totally. It's nice that people give credit to the original author though.

Invite her here, lol.I think she said she only posts at CountingDown, 'cause "it's the best site for news," or something to that effect. *shrugs*

[The Incredible Hulk]

It is Avatar....

Today's Variety:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972295.html?categoryid=13&cs=1


makes sense I guess although I dont think Avatar will be as big as some think definitely not as big as JLA.

JLA would be much better served doing the Spidey-esque early May release or just waiting until memorial Day weekend.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Hey you cant blame her for wanting to have her news be credited or she just may want her news to stay at the site she likes to post at which I see nothing wrong it especially when no one cared when she posted about the Tom Welling stuff before IESB.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Variety just confirmed Miller on Justice League :up:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972369.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

score another for Sanchez. No word on casting other then that it's in preliminary phase.

[KalKai]

:hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :D

[bootspark]

YES!!!!! :)

George Miller is OFFICIALLY on JLA! That means iesb.net was RIGHT! That means......Welling is NEXT!!!!!

[bootspark]

It's Official: Justice League Moving Ahead at WB
Source: Variety
September 20, 2007


Warner Bros. is moving aggressively ahead with the big screen adaptation of DC Comics' Justice League of America, with George Miller (Happy Feet) on board to direct, reports Variety.

The project, which is in the initial phases of casting, is a pre-strike priority for the studio, which needs a superhero tentpole in 2009.

Still, making all the pieces fit has been complicated by overlapping superhero projects in the pipeline, since "Justice League" features a pantheon of superheroes, including Superman and Batman.

Batman and Superman are active properties for the studio, though the next installment in the Superman franchise has taken a backseat to "Justice League" in part because Warners is so keen on the "Justice League" script by Kieran and Michele Mulroney.

"Justice League" will likely feature the characters of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash and Aquaman.

The project is so complicated -- and casting dependent -- that even those deeply involved in the project are holding their breath until production begins.

"They're working very hard to get it to happen," said one party close to the project. "But there are so many characters it's complicated."

[Serene]

Variety just confirmed Miller on Justice League :up:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972369.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

score another for Sanchez. No word on casting other then that it's in preliminary phase.

:wow: :hyper: :woot:

The project is so complicated -- and casting dependent -- that even those deeply involved in the project are holding their breath until production begins.

THEY AREN'T THE ONLY ONES! :oldrazz:

[AgentPat]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thud3.gif

OMG! This film is REALLY happening!!! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/crazyhappy.gif


That whole thing about the film being so complicated and casting dependent is spot on.

They HAVE to get this right; there's no coming back if they screw the pooch on this one. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/pray.gif

[JackMercy]

Can I get you some water, Pat?

;)

[bootspark]

JackMercy

Is the next anouncement Welling? Id say YES.

[smsvmos]

OMG HELL YESSSS :D Let the casting WAR BEGGING :up:

WELLING FOR SUPERMAN 110%

SHH Boards its time to open a thread only for JLA :D

[bootspark]

SHH Boards its time to open a thread only for JLA :D

I just did

Justice League IS OFFICIAL!!!

[smsvmos]

I just did

Justice League IS OFFICIAL!!!

What we need is a front link that says JLA in the front page of SHH boards

[Serene]

Can I get you some water, Pat?

;)

You can get me a drink! Straight up, hold the ice.

I'm trying not to get prematurely excited here, because I don't want to jinx anything, but it's VERY HARD. Drinking may help. :D

[AgentPat]

Can I get you some water, Pat?

;)Oh Jack! I'm soooo darn happy about this. A live action, big budget JUSTICE LEAGUE film?!!! Holy crap! There are no words. I hope it beats the TAR out of Marvel. Just because LOL.

I do hope they're further along with the casting than that article in Variety suggests. Having Welling as Superman goes w/o saying - I'm SO keeping my fingers crossed on that because it will truly MAKE the film for me on a personal level. But I'm also starting to get pretty curious about the other heroes too, now that we know this puppy is for REAL!!!

Anyhoo, this is all such amazing news. :heart:

[RakuMon]

Don't want to jinx anything, but I think all C.O.W. members should get a Welling as Supes avvy ready just in case! ;)

This is extremely cool news by the way. I like how they waited until the week in between the S6 DVD release (which, btw, was heavily reliant on the JLA connection in its marketing, natch) and S7 premiere to make this announcement.

Hmmmmm.... :D

[JackMercy]

You can get me a drink! Straight up, hold the ice.

I was just going to offer you one, Serene!

:word:

All I can say is, take a seat and watch the oven, there's some ...uhh...big stuff warming up...

Oh, and... don't shoot the messenger...

;)

[OobeDoobBenubi]

All I can say is, take a seat and watch the oven, there's some ...uhh...big stuff warming up

Casting news soon ?

[RakuMon]

Is anyone else having trouble loading up the Variety site? Is the JLA news crashing its server? ;)

[AgentPat]

I was just going to offer you one, Serene!

:word:

All I can say is, take a seat and watch the oven, there's some ...uhh...big stuff warming up...

Oh, and... don't shoot the messenger...

;)Whoa whoa whoa... don't say "don't shoot the messenger," 'cause that implies bad news, and we no likey BAD news today Jack. LOL ;) :D

Tell me the pizza dough is rising on the other hand and I'll be happy. :hyper:

[AgentPat]

Is anyone else having trouble loading up the Variety site? Is the JLA news crashing its server? ;)I noticed that! :confused:

How odd. I've NEVER had a problem with Variety's site, and I've used it for YEARS!

[bootspark]

This is extremely cool news by the way. I like how they waited until the week in between the S6 DVD release (which, btw, was heavily reliant on the JLA connection in its marketing, natch) and S7 premiere to make this announcement.
Hmmmmm.... :D

Very True. First S6 is released. WB announces JLA directed by GM. God WELLing, our boy is Superman. Then S7 premieres. Its all very planned out brilliant marketing!

[OobeDoobBenubi]

If Tom is not in this movie G & M are going to be in HELL with the fan base.

[bootspark]

Dont forget about the Justice League action figures released next year with Welling! IMO, JLA and Welling as Supes has been planned BTS at WB for a while now.

to quote Almost Famous..."Its All Happening!"

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I got to hand it to Robert. This is the third thing he was right about :wow:

[bootspark]

Both Robert and the girl from Counting Down are saying the BIG casting news is tomorrow. Apparently 5 contracts were signed along with Miller as director. And Mike from BlueTights board is saying Welling is a DONE DEAL.

sooo.... Welling WILL BE the big casting announcement tomorrow. :)

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Both Robert and the girl from Counting Down are saying the BIG casting news is tomorrow. Apparently 5 contracts were signed along with Miller as director

Did they get them all in a room together or something ? I want to see pictures of the contract signing

[Serene]

I was just going to offer you one, Serene!

Better make it two. ;)

:word:


Oh, and... don't shoot the messenger...

;)

:confused:
Better make it three. :ninja:

[Dark_Lord]

Robert said this:

Just FYI, this was not the news that I have been working on, there is more to come tonight, promise. Just waiting for a call but I am in Vegas for the Resident Evil premiere and I am hoping that I don't miss the call.

Hang on tight guys.

[Serene]

I noticed that! :confused:

How odd. I've NEVER had a problem with Variety's site, and I've used it for YEARS!

I'm sure the news is making the rounds. ;)

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I guess tomorrow is looking like it will be a big day. Time will tell

[bootspark]

Pat, how are you cooking everyone's crow tomorrow? :)

it IS happening :)

[KalKai]

Justice League and Man of Steel Updates
Written by Robert Sanchez
Thursday, 20 September 2007

Finally some official news was released today regarding the Justice League film in the works over at WB but I 've got a few more things to share with you all.

George Miller was confirmed as director (duh) and Variety also confirmed that at one point WB was looking into doing the film in mo-cap.

But, I’ve got some further info to share. I was waiting to get final verification this week before I broke the bad news and I’ve gotten it. I really wanted my readers to hear it from me…Tom Welling is completely out of the running for Superman.

We first heard this from the same source that first confirmed him to us, I then confirmed it with 3 other studio sources. I am asking for an explanation but they have not been able to give me one quite yet.

What happened? I don’t know, I really don’t. He was the shoe in. I am lost for words. Why did he not sign? He was the favored pick. Was it scheduling? Was it something else? All we know is the negotiations went south. We will do some digging and try to find out why the deal didn’t go through and let you know as soon as we do.

Does this mean Routh is in? I am looking into it. I heard he had talked to someone from WB as recently as this week but that could have been about anything. No one is talking at this point, I will let you guys know as soon as I hear something concrete.

So the dilemma is do you recast and have a new Supes on JL (which would bring our current # of Supes to 3) or bring in Routh? With the production start date quickly approaching, they’ve got to come up with something quickly.

Now, as for Batman, in my original Welling post I mentioned a bit about Batman, but wasn’t willing to confirm the name just yet. However, my message boarders got the best of me and I soon announced that it was Oscar nominated actor Ryan Gosling whose name had been thrown around the WB offices to fill the Bats shoes.

Now don’t go posting that “IESB said Ryan Gosling has been cast as Bats.” He hasn’t. But, from what I’ve heard he’s at the top of a very short list. He’s a bit lanky to pull off Bruce Wayne but considering this is Justice League and we only ever see the “Super” side of our heroes, a well made rubber suit can take care of that.

One more thing that has a lot of people wondering, what happens to the Bryan Singer Superman sequel Man of Steel? Well folks, it’s been pushed back indefinitely. Variety called it “taking a backseat” but my inside source says it will at least be a few years before we see any movement on that end.

So there you have it. Welling is out (unfortunately) for Superman, Gosling is the favored for Batman and Man of Steel is indefinitely postponed.

[AgentPat]

Hmm....

[KalKai]

Oh Pats..

Something went wrong, we'll probably never know. Could have been Al & Miles doing..

[Showtime]

Looks like no Welling but now they are talking about Routh again? This doesnt seem right.

[avidreader]

Justice League and Man of Steel Updates
Written by Robert Sanchez
Thursday, 20 September 2007





So there you have it. Welling is out (unfortunately) for Superman, Gosling is the favored for Batman and Man of Steel is indefinitely postponed.

:csad: :csad:

[bootspark]

WB wanted Tom
Tom wanted the role
Gough/Millar didnt want Tom to leave the show

i...cant...think...this is confusing...

JackMercy, is this what you meant by "dont shoot the messenger"?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Jack did try to warn about bad news & now G & M will be hated more then Singer.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I guess when someone said five contracts were signed Welling was not included

[bootspark]

Is there ANY hope left that something could be worked out?

[Zing79]

Honestly, how did anyone think this was going to happen? If you believed he was in the running for SR, then why would you believe he'd come back?

Here comes the let-down.

[Justice Bringer]

Looks like no Welling but now they are talking about Routh again? This doesnt seem right.

I dont really want Brandon Routh involved in this.

I'm a fan of Brandon's but this JLA script is horrible.

Unless they do some serious rewrites which I'm skeptical of.



And Gosling... yuck


I hope Miller gets his older cast instead.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I feel bad for Tom. Even when Tom has had enough of Smallville G & M will force him to do it even if it kills him.

[Gmanofsteel]

Shame on Al and Miles

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Who wants to order the hit on them ? Anyone know any hitman ? Or anyone know anyone in the mob ? :woot:

[Zing79]

Robert will never get an explanation for this (that's my bet). You want to torch somebody? Go after him.

He built this up -- he gave you hope. He's the one who better get your closure, or make it up. But I doubt he'll get you that.

[zerohour films]

Who wants to order the hit on them ? Anyone know any hitman ? Or anyone know anyone in the mob ? :woot:


Forgetabout it. Already placing my "order"

Seriously this sucks if true. I am not against Routh but really wanted to see Welling as Supes.

At least tomorrow we will hear more of what's going on.

Viva la JLA!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mellyM]

I hope at least it didn't go through because Tom didn't want it, because as far as I'm concerned he should have what he wants, he's worked hard enough. Very sad it other forces prevented him getting it if thats what he really wanted. I know its silly of me, but I cant imagine seeing the film now.

[04nbod]

I hope at least it didn't go through because Tom didn't want it, because as far as I'm concerned he should have what he wants, he's worked hard enough. Very sad it other forces prevented him getting it if thats what he really wanted. I know its silly of me, but I cant imagine seeing the film now.

superman,wonder woman, batman and flash together in live action- i can't imagine not seeing this film. So tom isn't doing it, lets see who else can play the role and look forward to season 7 next week:cwink:

[AgentPat]

Oh Pats..

Something went wrong, we'll probably never know. Could have been Al & Miles doing..Okay, major let down. I believe Sanchez, and I'm going to try to not dwell on the reasons for why it snagged, though Gough's vehement denials in the beginning make it rather obvious.

What scares me to my core is who they will get to play Superman, because the fall back option aint no freakin' option to me. What an absolute sucky situation this is, because here we go again. *sigh*

[bootspark]

Pat or JackMercy,

Is there any hope left, or is this dead and buried?

Oh, and that "fall back option" was in talks with WB this week. :(

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Hey Jack if you are in any position to leave G & M a message for us. Tell them to go to hell.

[bootspark]

Its funny, the past three hours has been a rollercoaster ride.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Its funny, the past three hours has been a rollercoaster ride.

Indeed & even though Tom Welling has no part in this movie that wont stop me from being open minded about this movie & just watching & see what happens. But I can still be pissed off.

[mellyM]

superman,wonder woman, batman and flash together in live action- i can't imagine not seeing this film. So tom isn't doing it, lets see who else can play the role and look forward to season 7 next week:cwink:
Superman is the only member of the JLA I care about, so thats why its a big factor for me, no matter, I just will never ever do this again, lol, Thank god I wasn't around for the SR stuff (not that I'd have wanted tom to do that film)...I guess for me if was more a way of insuring Tom would be around after SV, its so hard to tell what his future plans will be.

[The Joker_1000]

Wonder Woman & Batman are cool too but I think that Superman is the best JLA member as well. Captain Marvel is probably better though.

[Justice Bringer]

The scheduling wouldnt have made sense anyway. They have a tight timeframe from February to June between Wolverine and another film to do JL at Fox Studios in Australia.

Smallville wraps up in mid April.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

A part of me says Routh should not be in this unless Bale is Batman. We all know Bale wont be Batman. But knowing the WB unless Miller has a kick ass choice for Superman they will more then likely get Routh back.

[The Joker_1000]

Routh & Welling are the two best choices for Superman to be honest. No one else comes to mind besides those two.

[Justice Bringer]

Michael Trucco =p

[GreenKToo]

It seems odd to say the least. makes me wonder if it was G&M or miller that caused this.
ahh well, it will be interesting to see who miller has in mind instead.

[Serene]

Omg... my head is spinning.

The latest from emi_jayne at countingdown.com

It's not over til the fat lady sings...

I just got a call from my usual source. It's true that Welling did not sign. However, I was told yet again that they plan to keep working on a deal. They are also looking at other actors, but Welling is still their #1 choice.

The 5 contract signings did turn out to be false. There were 3 but none of them involved actors.

Also, Man of Steel is done. Dead. Gone. The studio execs have decided if another Superman film is made it will be a restart as they did with Batman Begins. Routh was told the news about a week ago. Being under contract for MOS, he was guaranteed a shot at keeping the role. I didn't like that info, but oh well.

So that's it for now. All we can do is hope and pray for a deal to be worked out but it looks like the triangle of WB, Smallville's producers, and Welling were unable to figure things out before Miller signed his deal.

I'll keep you all updated as I hear things.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

They cant keep dragging & trying to make that deal for long. It looks like Routh will get the role

[AgentPat]

Pat or JackMercy,

Is there any hope left, or is this dead and buried?Well, unless Jayne from CountingDown is right, I'd say no. If he's out, he's out. I just hope cooler heads prevail and Warners gets what they want and f*** what G&M want.

Am I angry? Oh yeah. Big time.

Oh, and that "fall back option" was in talks with WB this week. :(I know. I saw that. 'Tis not an option for me. I want a Superman who makes me believe. The fall back hasn't, doesn't, and won't ever. Like I said, this sux. I want JL to be a wonderful, awe inspiring film. One that puts Marvel in its place and launches a whole slew of awesome superheroes.

But this is just awful news, 'cause I'm a Superman fan. I wanted to be enamored and inspired, not depressed. *sigh*

Hey Jack if you are in any position to leave G & M a message for us. Tell them to go to hell.Add my name to the list. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ohwell.gif

the past three hours has been a roller coaster ride.It's funny you use that analogy, 'cause I used to say that All. The. Time, about three years ago.

Indeed & even though Tom Welling has no part in this movie that wont stop me from being open minded about this movie & just watching & see what happens. But I can still be pissed off.Ditto. I just hope they start fresh with everybody, 'cause then I can go in w/o any preconceived notions. I never even heard of Gosling, much less seen him in any films, so his casting as Batman, should it happen, is a plus.

Superman is the only member of the JLA I care about, so that's why its a big factor for me,Same here. He will make or break the film.

no matter, I just will never ever do this again, lol,Hee! I said the same thing, but it's hard to not get caught up in the excitement.

I guess for me if was more a way of insuring Tom would be around after SV, its so hard to tell what his future plans will be.Oh, he'll be around. Though the chances of seeing him as Superman on the big screen just went south for the last time if he's not in JL, IMHO. As much as I hate saying "never," I can't see them doing a SV film EVER at this point. So that's it. It's over. Finito.

Wonder Woman & Batman are cool too but I think that Superman is the best JLA member as well. Captain Marvel is probably better though.Superman is my hero. Always has been and always will be. I like the others, but NONE of 'em can compare to how I feel about Clark Kent.

Bah! Such a sucky evening.....

[KalKai]

Omg... my head is spinning.

The latest from emi_jayne at countingdown.com

It's not over til the fat lady sings...

I just got a call from my usual source. It's true that Welling did not sign. However, I was told yet again that they plan to keep working on a deal. They are also looking at other actors, but Welling is still their #1 choice.

The 5 contract signings did turn out to be false. There were 3 but none of them involved actors.

Also, Man of Steel is done. Dead. Gone. The studio execs have decided if another Superman film is made it will be a restart as they did with Batman Begins. Routh was told the news about a week ago. Being under contract for MOS, he was guaranteed a shot at keeping the role. I didn't like that info, but oh well.

So that's it for now. All we can do is hope and pray for a deal to be worked out but it looks like the triangle of WB, Smallville's producers, and Welling were unable to figure things out before Miller signed his deal.

I'll keep you all updated as I hear things.

Isn't this very reminiscent of when Al/Miles wanted Tom so badly but he turned them down 2 times & then at the end they've finally got him? lol.

Anyway, Tom IS WB's #1 choice, and that is bigger than anything else.

[Serene]

Oh, he'll be around. Though the chances of seeing him as Superman on the big screen just went south for the last time if he's not in JL, IMHO. As much as I hate saying "never," I can't see them doing a SV film EVER at this point. So that's it. It's over. Finito.

Agreed. It Tom isn't in the JL movie, I don't believe we'll ever see him wearing the cape on the big screen.

The roller-coaster is making me nauseous.

Here's to Season 7. *toasts*

[Showtime]

Omg... my head is spinning.

The latest from emi_jayne at countingdown.com

It's not over til the fat lady sings...

I just got a call from my usual source. It's true that Welling did not sign. However, I was told yet again that they plan to keep working on a deal. They are also looking at other actors, but Welling is still their #1 choice.

The 5 contract signings did turn out to be false. There were 3 but none of them involved actors.

Also, Man of Steel is done. Dead. Gone. The studio execs have decided if another Superman film is made it will be a restart as they did with Batman Begins. Routh was told the news about a week ago. Being under contract for MOS, he was guaranteed a shot at keeping the role. I didn't like that info, but oh well.

So that's it for now. All we can do is hope and pray for a deal to be worked out but it looks like the triangle of WB, Smallville's producers, and Welling were unable to figure things out before Miller signed his deal.

I'll keep you all updated as I hear things.

I don't know about this poster, they waited until the news was release on eleventeen sites before finally releasing this tidbit of info. It's questionable.

[Serene]

I don't know about this poster, they waited until the news was release on eleventeen sites before finally releasing this tidbit of info. It's questionable.

Isn't everything we've been going on and on about questionable until Variety or some other similarly 'official' publication posts it?

I don't mind the fun of squeeing over rumors and talking about 'what-if's' but at this point, I'm a little burnt out.

Ah well... my fingers are still crossed.

[Zorex]

Bummer. Really.

[AgentPat]

I don't know about this poster, they waited until the news was release on eleventeen sites before finally releasing this tidbit of info. It's questionable.Unless it just happened, no casting has been officially announced yet, so I guess we're still in "anything can happen" territory. Sanchez said Welling was in. Now he's saying Welling is out. Given Miller's announcement, casting shouldn't be too far behind. Lets wait and see who IS announced as Supes. The pooch hasn't officially been screwed yet, though I admit it aint lookin' too good for Fifi right now. ;)

[Showtime]

Isn't everything we've been going on and on about questionable until Variety or some other similarly 'official' publication posts it?

I don't mind the fun of squeeing over rumors and talking about 'what-if's' but at this point, I'm a little burnt out.

Ah well... my fingers are still crossed.

Good point and I agree, but WB wouldn't call Routh in to tell him he has a shot at a Reboot, Why would they reboot with the same actor as Superman to save about 1 million dollars? They would just eat the contract. On the other hand they wouldn't do a sequel and eat Singer's contract of multi-millions? Sounds far-fetched.

[ZIPBAGS]

I am really shocked if it was G&M that held up the deal. You are really burning a big bridge (Warner).

[ZIPBAGS]

Although, I do like the idea of a Superman reboot. Superman Returns was ruined by....
-Superman having a kid
-Being a sequel to a 30 yr old movie
-Superman having a kid
-Lex being a criminal with goofy sidekicks, doing the completely same land job.
-Superman having a kid

So lets hope a reboot comes soon. They don't even have to do an origin story. Most people know it. Just do a story where Supes has to fight Brainiac or Metallo, with Lex on the side as the corporate genius who set up the fight.

[Gmanofsteel]

Agreed. It Tom isn't in the JL movie, I don't believe we'll ever see him wearing the cape on the big screen.

The roller-coaster is making me nauseous.

Here's to Season 7. *toasts*

http://bestsmileys.com/drinking/9.gif

[AgentPat]

Good point and I agree, but WB wouldn't call Routh in to tell him he has a shot at a Reboot, Why would they reboot with the same actor as Superman to save about 1 million dollars? They would just eat the contract. On the other hand they wouldn't do a sequel and eat Singer's contract of multi-millions? Sounds far-fetched.Huh? 'Splain? What million dollars?

Singer has a contract. Routh has an option. There's a difference. Singer gets paid no matter what. Routh gets a call back or a handshake, depending on what Warners chooses. And wouldn't Singer's agreement for SR2 be worth more than $1M?

[Billy Batson]

This is extremely cool news by the way. I like how they waited until the week in between the S6 DVD release (which, btw, was heavily reliant on the JLA connection in its marketing, natch) and S7 premiere to make this announcement.
Hmmmmm.... About time the WB pimp the true face of the SUPERMAN franchise.

Very True. First S6 is released. WB announces JLA directed by GM. God WELLing, our boy is Superman. Then S7 premieres. Its all very planned out brilliant marketing! I am very, very, very happy that WB finally pulling their heads out of their a$$.
---------------------
:csad: I stand corrected, the WB heads are still up their a$$ :cmad:
Damn! I thought dreams do come true, guess not.

[Showtime]

Unless it just happened, no casting has been officially announced yet, so I guess we're still in "anything can happen" territory. Sanchez said Welling was in. Now he's saying Welling is out. Given Miller's announcement, casting shouldn't be too far behind. Lets wait and see who IS announced as Supes. The pooch hasn't officially been screwed yet, though I admit it aint lookin' too good for Fifi right now. ;)

I am not so sure about that, IESB has already reported the Welling deal is dead and the info about Routh being cast as Superman in a reboot, makes no sense whatsoever. Routh's contract is peanuts compared to Singers, why would they try so desperately to keep Routh but nix Singers contract so easily. They would just rid themselves of both of them and move on with the supposed reboot.

[Showtime]

Huh? 'Splain? What million dollars?

Singer has a contract. Routh has an option. There's a difference. Singer gets paid no matter what. Routh gets a call back or a handshake, depending on what Warners chooses. And wouldn't Singer's agreement for SR2 be worth more than $1M?

I am saying Routh's option is around 1 million, it would make no sense to bring Routh back to reboot the franchise. Think about it. Singer's contract is huge, he is getting paid multiple millions, why is it so easy to cut Singer loose but they want to bring back Routh for a special meeting when they can just cut his option. It doesn't add up.

[KalKai]

infamous_emijayne said:

At this point, I'd say with the strike looming and a deadline to begin shooting, Welling fans like myself should be cautiously optimistic. I'm told it's a combination of filming schedules and money, but that may not be the case. I was also told it was wording in a specific part of the contract. Just like with any business contract, a single word can be a deal breaker. We may never know what happened. Yet again, they may still work something out.

At least all speculation of Man Of Steel is over with. It's indefinitely on the shelf. That news kept me from being too upset about Welling.

[Zing79]

And yet the hope continues on. Is there anything that can be said to get people over this idea? He was never going to do this. Anyone around from 2004 should know it wouldn't happen.

My opinion? Robert heard the same thing about Welling that he did about Gosling, and took it a step too far. He created hope where there shouldn't have been any, and now it's like 2004 all over again.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

If this is true (and not just a leak to test the waters and how fans react to Welling not being cast) Warner Bros and Gough and Millar can go to hell !

[Justice Bringer]

Then again, if Brandon is cast as JL Superman, theres a good chance MoS will be picked up at some point later; since the character would be consistent.

Let's see what result IESB's phone call will yield.

I'm on the fence about Brandon being involved in this.

This wasnt the right gameplan.

[Showtime]

infamous_emijayne said:

At this point, I'd say with the strike looming and a deadline to begin shooting, Welling fans like myself should be cautiously optimistic. I'm told it's a combination of filming schedules and money, but that may not be the case. I was also told it was wording in a specific part of the contract. Just like with any business contract, a single word can be a deal breaker. We may never know what happened. Yet again, they may still work something out.

At least all speculation of Man Of Steel is over with. It's indefinitely on the shelf. That news kept me from being too upset about Welling.

Well as everybody always says when Showtime reports something, we'll wait to see what IESB says. Rob is actually going to get a report on MOS and the Routh rumors.

[AgentPat]

I am not so sure about that, IESB has already reported the Welling deal is dead and the info about Routh being cast as Superman in a reboot, makes no sense whatsoever. Routh's contract is peanuts compared to Singers, why would they try so desperately to keep Routh but nix Singers contract so easily. They would just rid themselves of both of them and move on with the supposed reboot.Wait. Back up for a second. Nobody said Warners was "desperate" to keep Routh. If anything, the rumor has been they're desperate for Welling. But lets assume Welling is out for whatever reason. So Warners can either put Routh back in the tights (a fairly easy task since he's already optioned anyway) or recast the role (arguably more expensive given the time and effort involved.) Singer isn't involved in this at all, because MOS is now allegedly shelved.

I am saying Routh's option is around 1 million, it would make no sense to bring Routh back to reboot the franchise. Think about it. Singer's contract is huge, he is getting paid multiple millions, why is it so easy to cut Singer loose but they want to bring back Routh for a special meeting when they can just cut his option. It doesn't add up.Show, I think you're filling in some blanks that weren't elaborated on in the original post. Jayne said Routh was told the news about a week ago. She didn't say they want to "call him back for a special meeting." The news could have come via a phone call relayed through his agent. Who knows?

Secondly, these contract "options" have expiration dates. Routh was signed for three films, but that doesn't mean Warners could call him back to play a geriatric Superman when he's 50. They would have a drop dead date to let Routh know if they were going to need him. So who knows? Maybe that deadline was last week?

Now if Warners wants to reboot the current Superman franchise, they *could* still use Routh. Personally, I think that's stupid, but hey, what do I know? Besides, my opinion means squat.

And finally, I don't think money is the issue with the actual casting. Maybe the s*** going on behind the scenes, but not the casting itself. Welling probably pulls in $2M per season of SV *minimum* (it's probably closer to $3M, but I'm being conservative here), so I think we can safely assume he would cost a little more than $1M for a JL film, yet Warners still wants him for the role. When you consider what other thesps get for leading roles in tentpole pics, $1M is chump change.

[KalKai]

zipbags said:

Between the bad news from IESB and now the possible good news from you. I think I am going to be sick.http://images.countingdown.com/images/ubb/icons/wink.gif

Any idea why Robert said the Welling deal was completely dead? It seems it may not be.

infamous_emijayne said:

He spoke to some "higher ups" in WB. I don't know how high that means. I do know how high up my source is though. She is the one who told me back in December that Man of Steel was not happening and JLA was taking it's place as well as all the info on Singer being involved with other projects months before anything came out in the news. She's never let me down.

But like I said, with the strike coming up and not having a lot of time to get started, whatever got in the way may be too much to overcome in time. From a percentage standpoint, what was a virtual lock, I'd say it's now down to a 25% chance they work this out. So IESB saying Welling is "out" could be just them going with the odds. Which I would completely understand.

Based on everything I know and what has been going on behind the scenes for months now, I'm still holding out for a last minute miracle. Either way, I'm quite confident the film will be spectacular. At least we won't get a super skinny (Routh) Superman.

[bootspark]

Pat, this would be your OPINION, but what do you think is going down?
Is Gough/Millar to blame? Did Welling just not want to sign? Contract problems?
If we believe the rumors, and WB did want Welling and Welling wanted the role, what the #@$% happened?

JackMercy, where art thou?

[Showtime]

Wait. Back up for a second. Nobody said Warners was "desperate" to keep Routh. If anything, the rumor has been they're desperate for Welling. But lets assume Welling is out for whatever reason. So Warners can either put Routh back in the tights (a fairly easy task since he's already optioned anyway) or recast the role (arguably more expensive given the time and effort involved.) Singer isn't involved in this at all, because MOS is now allegedly shelved Show, I think you're filling in some blanks that weren't elaborated on in the original post. Jayne said Routh was told the news about a week ago. She didn't say they want to "call him back for a special meeting." The news could have come via a phone call relayed through his agent. Who knows? Secondly, these contract "options" have expiration dates. Routh was signed for three films, but that doesn't mean Warners could call him back to play a geriatric Superman when he's 50. They would have a drop dead date to let Routh know if they were going to need him. So who knows? Maybe that deadline was last week?Now if Warners wants to reboot the current Superman franchise, they *could* still use Routh. Personally, I think that's stupid, but hey, what do I know? Besides, my opinion means squat.And finally, I don't think money is the issue with the actual casting. Maybe the s*** going on behind the scenes, but not the casting itself. Welling probably pulls in $2M per season of SV *minimum* (it's probably closer to $3M, but I'm being conservative here), so I think we can safely assume he would cost a little more than $1M for a JL film, yet Warners still wants him for the role. When you consider what other thesps get for leading roles in tentpole pics, $1M is chump change.

Whatever may happen, I am inclined to believe Rob at IESB who has been closest to the rumors about Welling and JLA than anybody. He is saying the deal is dead, so I have to believe that over somebody posting on a messageboard. At least that is what everybody says when Showtime029 posts something that he heard through the grapevine. :cwink:

You'r missing the point on Singer, I didn't say Singer was involved. I am saying why would WB have to say anything to Routh at this point if it is an option contract, and why would WB tell him that he could be coming back for a possible reboot of Superman? They would just choose not to go forward with Routh because it's an option deal. I was using Singer to point out that they have to pay him but don't have to pay Routh, so they shouldn't have to feel obligated to Routh at all.

The blanks I was filling in involve somebody else pointing to the fact that Routh was called into WB a week ago and now this new rumor that Routh was told that MOS is dead but its possible he could be up for a reboot. Doesn't add up at all Pat. None of it.

As you have said we all have agendas, no matter what you are holding on to the fact that Welling has a possibility of being Superman so you are more likely to believe this poster rather than Rob at IESB. I have accepted that MOS is most likely not happening months ago, but I am still holding out hope that we get another solo Superman movie, whether it is Routh and/or Welling or a Reboot and/or Reorgin. Speaking of agendas, you don't see the agenda that this woman at Countingdown has? She is obviously pro-Welling and anti-Routh. Read between the lines.

[RakuMon]

By the by, if Sanchez's latest report is indeed true, this turn of events is truly disappointing. I still don't understand G&M's reasoning for cock-blocking Welling's involvement in the movie; if that is indeed true. I mean, I get it if they were trying to get a piece of the JL pie, but would they be so insistent as to actually prevent TW from the role? And if WB wanted him so badly, why couldn't they just give them a producers credit or something?

Granted, this is all highly speculative. But I just don't understand why the SV guys were so adamant about not sacrificing SV for a JLA movie when three years ago, they almost ended Smallville to make room for Superman Returns. :confused:

[RakuMon]

Not to mention the fact that by the time a JL movie unspools in theaters, Smallville (even if it went eight seasons) would be off the air...

[Showtime]

By the by, if Sanchez's latest report is indeed true, this turn of events is truly disappointing. I still don't understand G&M's reasoning for cock-blocking Welling's involvement in the movie; if that is indeed true. I mean, I get it if they were trying to get a piece of the JL pie, but would they be so insistent as to actually prevent TW from the role? And if WB wanted him so badly, why couldn't they just give them a producers credit or something?

Granted, this is all highly speculative. But I just don't understand why the SV guys were so adamant about not sacrificing SV for a JLA movie when three years ago, they almost ended Smallville to make room for Superman Returns. :confused:

You wonder what really happened with Welling, if it is indeed 100% he isn't going to be Superman, which I am inclined to believe it is. Was WB split on Welling as well, not meaning split on casting them but being split that it would interfere with Smallville somehow. If it is over Gough and Miller than they are selfish slobs for not allowing Welling to go forward and advance his career and they should be deemed responsible.

[Zing79]

You wonder what really happened with Welling, if it is indeed 100% he isn't going to be Superman, which I am inclined to believe it is. Was WB split on Welling as well, not meaning split on casting them but being split that it would interfere with Smallville somehow. If it is over Gough and Miller than they are selfish slobs for not allowing Welling to go forward and advance his career and they should be deemed responsible.
You remember when you were saying you heard nothing about Welling being involved? You were right then. 100% Right.
Sanchez that idiot got wind of a rumor similar to Gosling I'm sure and ran with that like the wind.

There is nothing to understand here -- Welling wasn't doing this. And the reasoning is simple as can be: He WAS involved in 2004, it went south, and he's over it.

That was his shot -- once that ship sailed so did his chances of donning the suit on the big screen.

[The Joker_1000]

Damn, well, they better get someone good for the role.

[Zing79]

I really hope everyone gets what this means, and starts to come to grips with it. Welling will NEVER suit up. JLA fails, and Superman is shelved for years to come -- it succeeds, and whoever is in suit will carry it on.

It's now time to direct our attention to Smallville and hope that G&M don't mess that up, and give us a good stretch drive to Welling becoming Superman. Because that is all we're going to get.

[Showtime]

You remember when you were saying you heard nothing about Welling being involved? You were right then. 100% Right.
Sanchez that idiot got wind of a rumor similar to Gosling I'm sure and ran with that like the wind.

There is nothing to understand here -- Welling wasn't doing this. And the reasoning is simple as can be: He WAS involved in 2004, it went south, and he's over it.

That was his shot -- once that ship sailed so did his chances of donning the suit on the big screen.

You're right, I heard from the beginning that WB didn't want Welling as Superman...:csad:

[Zing79]

You're right, I heard from the beginning that WB didn't want Welling as Superman...:csad:

I don't so much know if WB didn't want him. There has always been (and still continues to be) very high up people within that company that desperately want to see Welling as Supes on the big screen.

They popped up again for JLA, but unlike in 2004 Welling wasn't even going to let the conversation get out of the gate. Honestly, they really fudged him hard in 2004. I told anyone that would listen how hard he got screwed -- so why people actually thought he'd do this is beyond me. I guess they just got used to the revisionist history that got written where he had zero involved at all in SR.

BTW -- these are not my opinions. These are the opinions of the people who 3 years ago made me the only source who ended up being 100% accurate about the casting as it relates to Welling.

[The Incredible Hulk]

^ Zing you're 2004 references make no sense. This would be a completely different set of players Welling would've been negotiating with. The crew he dealt with in 2004 isnt anywhere near the JLA film. Outside of Alan Horn still running the studio that's the only similarity, and he's not involved too heavily in actor contract negotiations. Welling obviously doesnt have general issues with WB as a whole since he extended his Smallville contract a season.

[Zing79]

^ Zing you're 2004 references make no sense. This would be a completely different set of players Welling would've been negotiating with. The crew he dealt with in 2004 isnt anywhere near the JLA film. Outside of Alan Horn still running the studio that's the only similarity, and he's not involved too heavily in actor contract negotiations. Welling obviously doesnt have general issues with WB as a whole since he extended his Smallville contract a season.
Don't look to me for answers. As shiet as my references may be, the opinions expressed to me by the same peeps from 2004 was that he wasn't doing this. It was a non-starter on his end.

No source ever seems to end up being 100% right (they usually only get pieces of the whole puzzle), so who knows I could be wrong. But he was in, in 2004 as Supes. He's negotiated with the company over this role once before, and it ended badly. Different people same character.

He extended with SV because its a crew he knew and loved? That's my guess. I honestly don't know, but straight up, I've been saying from the moment Sanchez opened his mouth that I was told: WB wanted him, but he wasn't going to hear any of it.

How we all connect the dots is our own personal opinions.

[AgentPat]

Whatever may happen, I am inclined to believe Rob at IESB who has been closest to the rumors about Welling and JLA than anybody. He is saying the deal is dead, so I have to believe that over somebody posting on a message board. At least that is what everybody says when Showtime029 posts something that he heard through the grapevine. :cwink:

You'r missing the point on Singer, I didn't say Singer was involved. I am saying why would WB have to say anything to Routh at this point if it is an option contract, and why would WB tell him that he could be coming back for a possible reboot of Superman? They would just choose not to go forward with Routh because it's an option deal. I was using Singer to point out that they have to pay him but don't have to pay Routh, so they shouldn't have to feel obligated to Routh at all.

The blanks I was filling in involve somebody else pointing to the fact that Routh was called into WB a week ago and now this new rumor that Routh was told that MOS is dead but its possible he could be up for a reboot. Doesn't add up at all Pat. None of it.

As you have said we all have agendas, no matter what you are holding on to the fact that Welling has a possibility of being Superman so you are more likely to believe this poster rather than Rob at IESB. I have accepted that MOS is most likely not happening months ago, but I am still holding out hope that we get another solo Superman movie, whether it is Routh and/or Welling or a Reboot and/or Reorgin. Speaking of agendas, you don't see the agenda that this woman at Countingdown has? She is obviously pro-Welling and anti-Routh. Read between the lines.1. I never said Jayne didn't have an agenda. It's quite obvious. Helen Keller could see that. But Sanchez could be accused of the same thing however, especially after his jaw-dropping reaction to Mego's letter from Dan Lin, which in retrospect, I truly believe was the real deal.

2. We don't know the specifics of Routh's contract, but ALL contracts have an end point. Every. Single. One. If Routh's option ended last week, Warners would HAVE to inform him he was being... un-optioned. But that wouldn't preclude them from offering him another contract, which would require him to make a return visit to the Formaggio Grande's office and might be noted just out of courtesy. You know, there ARE many deals in Hollywood that are sealed with a handshake, not a signature, but I digress...

3. I don't care if MOS happens or doesn't happen, so information about it is quite irrelevant to me. I hated the first film and have no interest in seeing its sequel. But I'm dying for a JL film. Keeping my hopes up that it will be cast to my personal liking isn't a crime - it's knowing what entertains me. Some actors I just know don't entertain me, so hoping they're not cast in a film I'm otherwise looking forward to see is par for the course.

4. My desire to see Welling in the role (or Routh not in the role) has no bearing on what Warners wants or does. That said, I'm trying to keep an open mind, because anything could still happen, and I'd rather keep a shred of hope for the best, than wallow in a sea of depression over the worst. It's a matter of staying positive and maintaining hope. I think Superman would approve. People could learn from him but chose not to. Oh well.

[ZIPBAGS]

Can someone give me an explanation with what happened with Welling in '04? I have heard so many different things...ie-Welling didn't want to do it, He wasn't even asked, etc.

Thanks!

Also, if WB is going to do a reboot of Supes. Like what Marvel is doing with the Hulk. They can't bring Routh back. Makes no sense.


Finally, I wonder if G&M are holding onto Welling since its been their desire to do a Smallville theatrical film??

[Zing79]

Can someone give me an explanation with what happened with Welling in '04? I have heard so many different things...ie-Welling didn't want to do it, He wasn't even asked, etc.

Thanks!
He agreed to something for it -- started dropping hints about it -- then it didn't go through -- then Routh came aboard.

Anything else you hear I can guarantee you is some sort of twisted truth about what really happened.

[Showtime]

1. I never said Jayne didn't have an agenda. It's quite obvious. Helen Keller could see that. But Sanchez could be accused of the same thing however, especially after his jaw-dropping reaction to Mego's letter from Dan Lin, which in retrospect, I truly believe was the real deal.

Jayne's agenda is clouding her source material so to speak. Agreed 100% about Rob having an agenda. Agreed 100% that I now believe that Mego's letter could have been real, considering Lin is supposed to be at the forefront of JLA.

2. We don't know the specifics of Routh's contract, but ALL contracts have an end point. Every. Single. One. If Routh's option ended last week, Warners would HAVE to inform him he was being... un-optioned. But that wouldn't preclude them from offering him another contract, which would require him to make a return visit to the Formaggio Grande's office and might be noted just out of courtesy. You know, there ARE many deals in Hollywood that are sealed with a handshake, not a signature, but I digress...

Whether Routh was called or was invited to meet with WB, I can't fathom them asking him back for a reboot. It doesn't make one bit of sense to me.


3. I don't care if MOS happens or doesn't happen, so information about it is quite irrelevant to me. I hated the first film and have no interest in seeing its sequel. But I'm dying for a JL film. Keeping my hopes up that it will be cast to my personal liking isn't a crime - it's knowing what entertains me. Some actors I just know don't entertain me, so hoping they're not cast in a film I'm otherwise looking forward to see is par for the course.


Nothing wrong with having high hopes I guess. In regards to JLA, I wasn't impressed by what I heard originally, now what is being said entices me a tiny bit more.

4. My desire to see Welling in the role (or Routh not in the role) has no bearing on what Warners wants or does. That said, I'm trying to keep an open mind, because anything could still happen, and I'd rather keep a shred of hope for the best, than wallow in a sea of depression over the worst. It's a matter of staying positive and maintaining hope. I think Superman would approve. People could learn from him but chose not to. Oh well.

I'm all for being positive, but also being realistic. That being said it's all a matter of opinion and I am not hear to rain on anybodys parade. I've actually been floating around to see what all of you are saying about the upcoming season of Smallville and am very excited about the season opener.

[AgentPat]

Whether Routh was called or was invited to meet with WB, I can't fathom them asking him back for a reboot. It doesn't make one bit of sense to me.It does me - for the same reason Welling would be under consideration: he's Superman (to some fans). It's a matter of a known commodity (Routh) over an unknown commodity (recasting.)

Despite what some people think *cough*Pickle*cough*, I *can* be objective about the big picture here. I can understand where certain motivations and decisions come from on a corporate level, even if I don't agree with them.

That said, another rumor just appeared over at CountingDown, so I think I'm gonna stick my head in the sand at this point 'cause I'm baffled.

In regards to JLA, I wasn't impressed by what I heard originally, now what is being said entices me a tiny bit more.What changed?

I'm all for being positive, but also being realistic.The two aren't mutually exclusive. I can be positive about what I want to happen yet still be realistic about what I think will happen. How much emphasis we chose to place on which side of the spectrum determines our overall attitude. There are a LOT of people who would rather stay positive even when all hope seems lost LOLOL!!! ;)

Once the casting is formally announced, I can put the last shred of hope to bed. I just don't want to give up on that yet.

I've actually been floating around to see what all of you are saying about the upcoming season of Smallville and am very excited about the season opener.Bizarro looks like it will be awesome. I can't wait! One week to go, and counting. :D :up:

[Zorex]

Thas right! One week! And I finally got my S6 set (AND Superman: Doomsday in the mail, at last). Can't wait to sit back and watch some stuff.

[bootspark]

who is mego and what is his letter?

[LL2K2]

Although, I do like the idea of a Superman reboot. Superman Returns was ruined by....
-Superman having a kid
-Being a sequel to a 30 yr old movie
-Superman having a kid
-Lex being a criminal with goofy sidekicks, doing the completely same land job.
-Superman having a kid

So lets hope a reboot comes soon. They don't even have to do an origin story. Most people know it. Just do a story where Supes has to fight Brainiac or Metallo, with Lex on the side as the corporate genius who set up the fight.

Why reboot? The film left a lot of loose threads that need to be tied up. I feel they NEED to do a sequel to make that happen, even if we wait a few more years.

If they scrap the Superman film altogether, I have a feeling there will be some angry fans. I know I will be one of them.

And for the record, there were no "goofy" sidekicks in the film. Brutus was the muscle and intimidation of the gang, yet he played the piano with Jason. Stanford was the technical whiz, who according to the novel, planted the news about Krypton's existence to the Planet. Riley was also hired muscle, but was very savvy with a video camera. They were scary son-of-a-guns.

As for the news that Welling's out of JLA...don't even get me going on his current characterization, because once I do, it's not going to be pretty. :mad:

[Showtime]

It does me - for the same reason Welling would be under consideration: he's Superman (to some fans). It's a matter of a known commodity (Routh) over an unknown commodity (recasting.)

I understand what you're saying, but in a reboot, the universe and it's characters get...the reboot.

Despite what some people think *cough*Pickle*cough*, I *can* be objective about the big picture here. I can understand where certain motivations and decisions come from on a corporate level, even if I don't agree with them.

Which is the reason it was possible that WB did want Welling but decided it might ruin another succesful branch.


That said, another rumor just appeared over at CountingDown, so I think I'm gonna stick my head in the sand at this point 'cause I'm baffled.


Doesn't suprise me. What is it now. Routh is playing Batman and Welling is playing Superman?

What changed?

Welling not being Superman! :yay: Nah, Martian Manhunter possibly being included, although now I know where that might have came from.:csad:


The two aren't mutually exclusive. I can be positive about what I want to happen yet still be realistic about what I think will happen. How much emphasis we chose to place on which side of the spectrum determines our overall attitude. There are a LOT of people who would rather stay positive even when all hope seems lost LOLOL!!! ;)

Once the casting is formally announced, I can put the last shred of hope to bed. I just don't want to give up on that yet.


I can see that. Carry on.

Bizarro looks like it will be awesome. I can't wait! One week to go, and counting. :D :up:

Hope so.

[Showtime]

agree with them.

That said, another rumor just appeared over at CountingDown, so I think I'm gonna stick my head in the sand at this point 'cause I'm baffled.



That is the point though, to baffle you. I've heard some say I play both sides of the fence, this lady does the waltz on top of the fence posts. I have one source that says Welling rumors are dead but another that says they aren't dead. :csad:

[bootspark]

more from the CD.com lady...

"The new info was from a completely different source that is closer to Welling than WB. I already knew about Miller originally saying he wanted an older cast, but this person is saying that's the reason the deal with Welling fell through. Like I said in the post, I have no idea how true it is, but it sounds like it could be.

As for Welling being in his 30's, he's still able to play a 19 year old. Miller when first approached from what I was told wants the characters to "look" older. Like weathered heroes who have seen battles. Don't forget, he did Mad Max."

[KBX]

Sorry to all the Welling fans out there that he won't be in this movie.... but look at it this way.... maybe we will get a season 8!! :woot:

[bootspark]

Id rather have TW in JLA then a Season 8. And IF Gough/Millar are the ones behind screwing up his deal, then they dont deserve to make an 8th season.

[Pickle-El]

This sucks for Welling fans....Sanchez should have never opened his mouth in such a 'I'm 100% behind this it's sealed' kind of way. All it's done is piss off people who wanted to see Welling don the suit.

I think this was Sanchez's first go-round with Welling as Supes rumors....maybe that's why he jumped the gun. Still, he should have known better.

[KBX]

Well I may be in the minority around here, but now I am really pulling for Routh... Its too soon to have another person suit up as Superman, so it was Welling or Routh for me...

Sanchez did seem so sure, I wonder what happened as well....

[Billy Batson]

Well I may be in the minority around here, but now I am really pulling for Routh... Its too soon to have another person suit up as Superman, so it was Welling or Routh for me...

Sanchez did seem so sure, I wonder what happened as well....

Feel sorry for Routh, Tom Welling was not going to be SUPERMAN anyway.
Just a very bad rumor, it was fun at first but as the weeks piled up with no official news on the subject. I allowed myself to believe that this may indeed happen. :csad:
I don't know if I'm going to make it, my love is starting to turn into hate.
My feeling are begining too betray me. :o

[Zorex]

I do like the idea of a battle-weathered Justice League, but even I'm still bummed at the idea that Welling's gonna miss this great opportunity to play the character in a major way.

[Serene]

If that's true.. then oh whatEVER, Miller. :whatever:

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2498/cap025gq7.jpg http://www.video-palace.com/films_cover/mad_max.jpg

[MJZ]

I guess I'm in the minority in that I never believed this stuff for one second.

How predictable was this latest trend? IESB floats this baseless rumor to gain buzz, and then has this bogus story saying Tom turned it down. Gimme a break.

Call me crazy, but I actually believe Gough and them when they put out statements to the contrary.

[Pickle-El]

I guess I'm in the minority in that I never believed this stuff for one second.

How predictable was this latest trend? IESB floats this baseless rumor to gain buzz, and then has this bogus story saying Tom turned it down. Gimme a break.

Call me crazy, but I actually believe Gough and them when they put out statements to the contrary.

That was far too easy to believe though....

[Ahura Mazda]

One thing I do not get is even if he was battle weatherred he should still only appear around 30 given his slower aging...

[RakuMon]

To this day, I've never understood the whole "Welling looks too young" criticism. If anything, he looks too old to be Clark. Seriously, have the people who claim Welling is too young looking ever seen him outside the show sans pancake makeup? Probably not. Heck, even on the show, when they've made him look his age, the guy screams Superman. Take "Relic," "Noir" or "Promise." The Welling in those episodes looks nothing like a teenager.

[Superman_]

My view is the only way Routh will be Superman for this movie is if the WB is trying cross promote Man Of Steel at the same time. Meaning they use Routh for JLA then try again with MOS. I mean they are already using the outfit from TDK in this movie. In regards to Welling I think it sucks he will not be Superman. I think he would have been the best choice for this movie if Routh was not in it and now I have no reason to see this movie. I refuse to go through a third Superman. It may not matter to them but without Routh or Welling they will not be getting my money for this movie.

[RakuMon]

Were you aware you can now post comments on Variety articles?
http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=talkbackCommentsFull&articleid=VR1117972369&talk_back_header_id=6472754#74650
Since it's Variety, I assume TPTB read the comments too. I say we start flooding them with pro-Welling posts! Heck, there's already a few pro-Welling comments there already.

[Serene]

Were you aware you can now post comments on Variety articles?
http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=talkbackCommentsFull&articleid=VR1117972369&talk_back_header_id=6472754#74650
Since it's Variety, I assume TPTB read the comments too. I say we start flooding them with pro-Welling posts! Heck, there's already a few pro-Welling comments there already.

Good idea, Raku. It won't likely help the situation, but it's good to have an outlet.

[ZIPBAGS]

Did Welling refuse the role?? I keep reading posts saying he refused the role. What is up?

[Justice Bringer]

This is sad

[KalKai]

Look at the positive side of the coin, we never had anything to lose anyway. :cool:

[Superman_]

Correct the positive side is despite Supergirl you guys are looking at a great 7th season and who knows Welling still may don the suit for the last show of the series although it is very doubtful.

[musclesforsupes]

Okay,

SO now IESB still says its a dead deal with welling and someone at cd.com and counting down says its not? WTF!

[joeycortes611]

Its Not lets leave it at that