Tom Welling as Superman

[The Incredible Hulk]

whats not?

[joeycortes611]

Negotiations are not dead at this point. They are actually in the back sit but not over

[Showtime]

Its Not lets leave it at that

I don't know who you are, but I hope your not going by the info at Countingdown.

[The Incredible Hulk]

in the back seat to someone else?

BTW havent seen you around in a LONG while :eek:

[KalKai]

Who are you?

I see the last you posted was back in 2004..

[AgentPat]

Uh.... muh... gawd. Joey? JOEY??!!!! Holy crap! Where the HELL HAVE YOU BEEN???!!!!! Oh... MAN!!!!

[AgentPat]

This has turned into a freakin' surreal nightmare. I sooooooo don't want to go through this again. :wow:











....Whatdaya got? :ninja:

[avidreader]

Big edit after the last couple of posts. :D

Tom's my only choice.

[RakuMon]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. This whole ride (from Sanchez's reveal on Attack of the Show to last night's official JLA announcement) reeks of August-October 2004. It's deja vu all over again! And now, Joey's back giving everyone (false?) hope. :confused:

[Showtime]

Don't let it happen to you again guys.

[KalKai]

It's not over until WB announces the cast.

[AgentPat]

Who are you?

I see the last you posted was back in 2004..Kai... It would take a month of Sundays.

Suffice it to say, Zing and MJZ just face-palmed, Muscles just lost all control of bodily functions, Hulk and I are blinking astonishment out of our eyes, and half the rest of the board who knew Joey back during the Casting Wars of '04 are thinking, ohhhhhhshiiiiiiiiiii......

Hope that helps. :D

[Showtime]

It's not over until WB announces the cast.

The cast most likely won't be announced by WB, but by a website like IESB or the such.

[TWistim]

Just got back in last night and, to say the least, I am disappointed. :csad:

I really wanted this to happen with Tom. We will probably never know the real bts facts of this matter. That sucks BIG!

I hate that Tom detractors are talking trash about MY SUPERMAN. :cmad: AS much as I would like to see Tom in this movie, I am first and foremost a fan of his, and if he decided to not take this role, I trust that he had good reason.

I just lost TOTAL interest in seeing this movie without Tom being in it. :dry:

[JackMercy]

Suffice it to say, Zing and MJZ just face-palmed, Muscles just lost all control of bodily functions, Hulk and I are blinking astonishment out of our eyes, and half the rest of the board who knew Joey back during the Casting Wars of '04 are thinking, ohhhhhhshiiiiiiiiiii......


That's a nice assessment, Pat...

;)

[Gmanofsteel]

Why reboot? The film left a lot of loose threads that need to be tied up. I feel they NEED to do a sequel to make that happen, even if we wait a few more years.

See, now personally I think SR would be just fine as a stand alone film. It had enough ends tied in the very end of the film so I don't see why a sequel is a must.


If they scrap the Superman film altogether, I have a feeling there will be some angry fans. I know I will be one of them.


I guess the real question is, would Superman fans mind if they scrap MOS and start fresh with a new Superman franchise? Probably not. Superman is Superman, it doesn't have to be Singer's or Routh's.

[Migu-EL]

This is a major bummer.:csad: Hopefully there's still a chance that Welling will play Supes in the JLA film.

[Whiteflag]

I hate that Tom detractors are talking trash about MY SUPERMAN. :cmad: AS much as I would like to see Tom in this movie, I am first and foremost a fan of his, and if he decided to not take this role, I trust that he had good reason.

I just lost TOTAL interest in seeing this movie without Tom being in it. :dry:

Agreed! :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

here's another one for ya. Today's Hollywood Reporter, the other big Hollywood trade mag besides Variety for those who arent familiar, is saying that Miller is just "in talks to direct" as opposed to being a done deal:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i5bf6a751bdf67ff5ac42ee390e5e6f8f

[Showtime]

How one or two words changes things.

[Gmanofsteel]

I hate that Tom detractors are talking trash about MY SUPERMAN. :cmad: AS much as I would like to see Tom in this movie, I am first and foremost a fan of his, and if he decided to not take this role, I trust that he had good reason.
I completely agree. If Tom didn't want the role I can accept that. If Al and Miles are responsible however . . . .

[TWistim]

Agreed! :up:

:yay:


here's another one for ya/ Today's Hollywood Reporter, the other big Hollywood trade mag besides Variety for those who arent familiar is saying that Miller is just "in talks to direct" as opposed to being a done deal:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...42ee390e5e6f8f (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i5bf6a751bdf67ff5ac42ee390e5e6f8f)


This report sounds outdated.

[Serene]

I hate that Tom detractors are talking trash about MY SUPERMAN. :cmad: AS much as I would like to see Tom in this movie, I am first and foremost a fan of his, and if he decided to not take this role, I trust that he had good reason.

I was thinking about this and the thing is, if Tom really absolutely does NOT want to be in this movie, he won't be. But... as a fan of his, I'd rather choose to support him in this movie because in case he does want it, I'd rather he had the support.

Of course, it's only silly fannish mentality that makes me feel like my support or lack of means squat in the grand scheme of things, but as a fan, it's what we do. :D

So, yeah.. until I see someone else announced as a done deal, I'm still in Tom's corner with my fingers crossed. What the hell.. it can't hurt. ;)

[Justice Bringer]

The disillusioned woman on the countingdown message boards just solidified the ridiculousness of her false statements.

Now shes saying Welling can still happen with Miller and WB in JLA using CGI technology to make him look older....


What will she think of next..

[The Incredible Hulk]

it's funny how many people consider her to be "disillusioned" but yet they seem to hang on her every word. i read that post she said that they could make Welling look a bit older if they wanted in a similar way that they made Ian McKellan and patrick Stewart look younger in X3 which was partly CG I believe.

[COMPO]

I hated X3 when Professor X died.

[avidreader]

it's funny how many people consider her to be "disillusioned" but yet they seem to hang on her every word. i read that post she said that they could make Welling look a bit older if they wanted in a similar way that they made Ian McKellan and patrick Stewart look younger in X3 which was partly CG I believe.

I could be mistaken, but I thought Superman didnt age like normal humans.:huh: If so, this all seems to be a rather pointless reason.

[Kalleo]

For me like others have said I have lost any reason what so ever to watch JLA why would I want a 3rd Superman? I mean come on we got to be able to do something, you would think the publicity alone from having Tom in both would be like gold to the CW? I for one am still holding out that Tom will play Supes. We should do a Jericho type campaign to have Tom play Superman. Like send the WB's a billion (Insert idea here) well nuts wont work you guys have any idea's? Sorry for venting I just am blown away Tom might not be playing Superman.

[Showtime]

it's funny how many people consider her to be "disillusioned" but yet they seem to hang on her every word. i read that post she said that they could make Welling look a bit older if they wanted in a similar way that they made Ian McKellan and patrick Stewart look younger in X3 which was partly CG I believe.

Seems like a waste of money when they could just use makeup if need be or an older looking actor if that was the case.

[Superman_]

I could be mistaken, but I thought Superman didnt age like normal humans.:huh: If so, this all seems to be a rather pointless reason.Yes and no depending on which type of Superman your looking at. Golden Age Superman aged just like as look wise until he reached 50's then the aging process started to slow down also seen in Kingdom Come. Post Crisis Superman doesn't age at all or at least from what I've seen for example in DC 1,000,000 which for those of you who haven't figured it out is set 1,000,000 years in the future Superman looks the same he always has then. So his aging depends on the writer really.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Seems like a waste of money when they could just use makeup if need be or an older looking actor if that was the case.


true. one thing to consider with Welling to is that they cake foundation on the guy for smallville to make him look younger. if you've seen The Fog (yeah I know it blew) or when he's out in public while he still looks youthful, he doesnt look that young. Which fits right into post-crisis Superman's aging.

[Superman_]

For me like others have said I have lost any reason what so ever to watch JLA why would I want a 3rd Superman? I mean come on we got to be able to do something, you would think the publicity alone from having Tom in both would be like gold to the CW? I for one am still holding out that Tom will play Supes. We should do a Jericho type campaign to have Tom play Superman. Like send the WB's a billion (Insert idea here) well nuts wont work you guys have any idea's? Sorry for venting I just am blown away Tom might not be playing Superman.Good idea but for every person that sends in for Tom I am sure they are sending in for Routh as well which would in turn show the WB that the fans are split. Plus I think we should be writing into Tom more then the WB because if the WB from rumored reports was willing to do almost anything to get Tom and they still didn't get him I think the problem lies more with Tom saying "no" for whatever reasons then the WB.

[The Incredible Hulk]

no where was it EVER stated WB was willing to do almost anything to get Welling. Stop making things up. the only even rumor out there about why this didnt happen was that miller wanted an older cast, that was it.

[Superman_]

Despite Tom not being Superman I still think he should go ahead and try out for Captain America. He has the perfect look and build for it. I mean they could give him the Spider-Man treatment to make his body look small before becoming a Super Solider.

[The Incredible Hulk]

:confused: Steve Rogers ahs short blonde hair

[Superman_]

no where was it EVER stated WB was willing to do almost anything to get Welling. Stop making things up.From IESB:

But what about the shooting schedule of Smallville that is supposed to go through around April you ask? Word is, the production of Smallville in Vancouver is even willing to work around whatever Welling’s schedule may be in order for their small screen superhero to make the jump to theaters (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=3138#).

So if they were willing to do whatever it took to get him to the big screen then something must have happened on Welling's part for him to say no.

[Superman_]

:confused: Steve Rogers ahs short blonde hair
Dye his hair. I mean it is done all the time.

[The Incredible Hulk]

From IESB:

But what about the shooting schedule of Smallville that is supposed to go through around April you ask? Word is, the production of Smallville in Vancouver is even willing to work around whatever Welling’s schedule may be in order for their small screen superhero to make the jump to theaters (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=3138#).

So if they were willing to do whatever it took to get him to the big screen then something must have happened on Welling's part for him to say no.

except for the fact that Sanchez later stated on his messageboard that Gough was giving them a hard time which pretty much nullifies what sanchez assumed in that earlier article you posted

[Showtime]

true. one thing to consider with Welling to is that they cake foundation on the guy for smallville to make him look younger. if you've seen The Fog (yeah I know it blew) or when he's out in public while he still looks youthful, he doesnt look that young. Which fits right into post-crisis Superman's aging.

I think Welling looks plenty old enough so they wouldn't even need a new actor to look older.

[Superman_]

except for the fact that Sanchez later stated on his messageboard that Gough was giving them a hard time which pretty much nullifies what sanchez assumed in that earlier article you postedWell I didn't read that part if its not on the main page then I don't read it.

[MJZ]

:confused: Steve Rogers ahs short blonde hair

Dye his hair. I mean it is done all the time.

Don't you dare suggest that!

[KalKai]

MJZ you still believe JL isn't on WB's production schedule? ;)

[The Joker_1000]

Well, even though Tom isn't playing Superman, that's not a bad thing. It just gives someone else a chance to play the role.

[MJZ]

MJZ you still believe JL isn't on WB's production schedule? ;)

Indeed--I'll believe it when I see it.

[AgentPat]

I could be mistaken, but I thought Superman didn't age like normal humans.:huh:He doesn't. And the moment Ryan Gosling is announced as Batman, and some 23 y.o. crazy hot actress is announced as Wonder Woman, all this talk of casting "weathered" looking thesps for "older" superheroes is gonna fly (pun intended) right out the window.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Well I didn't read that part if its not on the main page then I don't read it.


that is why you fail...

[Billy Batson]

I could be mistaken, but I thought Superman didnt age like normal humans.:huh: If so, this all seems to be a rather pointless reason.

The age debate is indeed pointless. :up:

For me like others have said I have lost any reason what so ever to watch JLA why would I want a 3rd Superman? I mean come on we got to be able to do something, you would think the publicity alone from having Tom in both would be like gold to the CW? I for one am still holding out that Tom will play Supes. We should do a Jericho type campaign to have Tom play Superman. Like send the WB's a billion (Insert idea here) well nuts wont work you guys have any idea's? Sorry for venting I just am blown away Tom might not be playing Superman.


Like send the WB's a billion (Tom Welling as Superman Manips) via snail mail. :woot:

[Gmanofsteel]

start an online petition ;)

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Like send the WB's a billion (Tom Welling as Superman Manips) via snail mail. :woot:

Hey sending a bunch of nuts to CBS worked for Jericho fans

[AgentPat]

Like send the WB's a billion (Tom Welling as Superman Manips) via snail mail. :woot:You think Fox has any bottles of Tabasco sauce left? :hyper:



Yeah I know, WAY too obscure Pat, but hey, if one person gets it, it was worth the chuckle.

[AgentPat]

Hey sending a bunch of nuts to CBS worked for Jericho fansOooo! Caboose'll get it. :D :up:

[avidreader]

He doesn't. And the moment Ryan Gosling is announced as Batman, and some 23 y.o. crazy hot actress is announced as Wonder Woman, all this talk of casting "weathered" looking thesps for "older" superheroes is gonna fly (pun intended) right out the window.

That's what I thought. And if they can make Tom look younger, I'm sure they can make him look older. So I think its still a silly argument.

Is Gosling one of the official announcements? I'm not so sure about him, I thought he was absolutely dreadful in the Notebook, and in fact I remember remarking to the friend who I saw it with, what a bad actor he was and she agreed with me.

But then I saw him in Fractured, and I was impressed with his performance in that. So I dunno!

If he is cast as Batman, I hope he can drop the southern accent. It doesnt sound very Gotham like. :cwink:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

The Jericho fans sended in nuts because in the finale Jake Green refused to surrender the town to the other town & he replied with "Nuts" basically telling the other towns leader that he is "Nuts" if he thinks they will surrender. You will need to do more then just a petition. You will need to get Tom Wellings & the WBs attention with this just like the "Nuts" got CBS's attnetion.

[avidreader]

^^^ Well that's not a bad idea. Maybe someone can put a collection together of all the Tom Welling as Superman Manips, and we can all fill out postcards or something to that effect.

I'm not sure. I'm not very good with that kind of stuff. :O

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I would think one kick ass manip of Tom Welling would do the trick & just be sure to have Tom Welling fans flood the WBs mail box with that one manip. The CBS offices were getting OVER FLOODED with deliveries of nuts. It got on the news & the CBS President or a very high up person had to make a statement online asking fans to stop sending in nuts & that they will give the show another shot. It was renew the show or get nutted.

[Billy Batson]

You think Fox has any bottles of Tabasco sauce left? :hyper:



Yeah I know, WAY too obscure Pat, but hey, if one person gets it, it was worth the chuckle.

I got it Pat I think, LoL, but wasn't that the WB with Roswell? :huh:

start an online petition
I would think one kick ass manip of Tom Welling would do the trick & just be sure to have Tom Welling fans flood the WBs mail box with that one manip. The CBS offices were getting OVER FLOODED with deliveries of nuts. It got on the news & the CBS President or a very high up person had to make a statement online asking fans to stop sending in nuts & that they will give the show another shot. It was renew the show or get nutted.

Let's fax a billion manips to the WB.

:super: Online petition
Feature Films
Warner Premiere
Andrea Marozas
Andrea.marozas@warnerbros.com


:super: Snail mail petition

Barry M. Meyer - Chairman and CEO, Warner Bros.
4000 Warner Blvd.
Burbank, CA 91522

Hours:M-F, 9A to 6P PST

Phone: 818-954-3000

Fax: 818.954.7829

[Gmanofsteel]

:eek: ;)

http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Oooo! Caboose'll get it. :D :up:

Just saw this post Pat & that was the save Roswell campaign

[triplet]

Online petitions don't work, Tom....

Snail mail is much more effective... but ignore me.

I'm not supposed to be around again until the season premiere.

:ninja:

[Gmanofsteel]

Online petitions don't work, Tom....

Snail mail is much more effective... but ignore me.

I'm not supposed to be around again until the season premiere.

:ninja:

How about a snailmailed letter with printouts of the petition?

[musclesforsupes]

Okay!

So its Friday night and no new updates on IESB I thought Robert said some new news was coming?! So do we have a real reason by Welling for not doing the role?

[AgentPat]

That's what I thought. And if they can make Tom look younger, I'm sure they can make him look older. So I think its still a silly argument.The whole THING is silly because Welling doesn't need to be made to look older; he already IS. He looks YOUNG on SV because he's MADE-UP that way. Unfortunately, WAY too many people think that's what he actually looks like. Case in point, here's what Comics 2 Film posted this morning:

IESB reports that negotiations to sign 'Smallville' star Tom Welling on to the 'Justice League' movie have ended and the actor will not be stepping up as Superman on the big screen.

The website, which broke the news of Welling's attachment to the project in the first place, have verified with several sources that the kid is out of the picture. Details are sketchy with no real explanation being offered as to why the deal fell apart, but no doubt many fans are disappointed by this news...

http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=29090"Kid?" I can understand Miller's perception, but the people at Comics 2 Film should know better.

Regardless, I think it's yet another BS rumor, and Serene did a pretty good job of proving that to me:

http://www.video-palace.com/films_cover/mad_max.jpg http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2498/cap025gq7.jpg

^ C'mon! Mel Gibson was TWENTY-THREE years old when Mad Max OPENED, which means he was probably 22 when it was FILMED.

Somebody is just making excuses now, and that really toasts my cookies. I'd like a REAL explanation here, not some magic bullet theory. (Sorry for venting.)

Is Gosling one of the official announcements?Ya got me? I just used him as another example that, should he be cast, this weathered look Miller is allegedly after is pure nonsense. And what about Wonder Woman? The character is a warrior. How do they make HER look "weathered?" Cast Cloris Leachman? :rolleyes: I suppose they could go with Jennifer Connelly (37) or Angelina Jolie (32) but at what cost? Can they afford a 10 or 20 million dollar contract for just ONE of SEVEN leads? Yeah. Not gonna happen.

Gosling is probably the right price. He's 6'1" and 27 y.o. And he's a good actor from what I've heard. So I don't see why he couldn't work. But there's that age thing again. Welling is 30. So is fan favorite and rumored Flash 1st choice, Ryan Reynolds.

The whole age argument is DUMB. Smallville's Clark, Lois, and Jimmy are all older than their counterparts from the latest Superman film.

If he is cast as Batman, I hope he can drop the southern accent. It doesn't sound very Gotham like.Hee. Well Bale did it. (He's Welsh and has quite a thick accent IRL.)

I got it Pat I think, LoL, but wasn't that the WB with Roswell? :huh:Hah. I was thinking production companies (Fox produced Roswell), but you're right. It aired on UPN and then WB. I think WB was the recipient of the bottles. Third season, if I'm not mistaken.

I never watched the show, but I know about the campaign because I used it as an example for one I organized about seven years ago. (Jeeze... how time flies.) Any Sex and the City fans out there? :O Remember Aidan Shaw? The guy that proposed to Carrie Bradshaw in the fourth season of the show? The guy who was HISTORY after the third season and wasn't supposed to come back for a fourth? Yeah, that was my doing. And I have the TV Guide and SATC Compendium Book articles to prove it. :ninja:

And no... I'm not doing that s*** again. :cmad:

[musclesforsupes]

Hi Pat,

I saw that joey came in earlier, I have to ask you one question.

Where do you think we stand right now? I mean obviously chances of this happening are small, do you think Tom could be staring in a new Superman franchise if the SR one is stopped. With the newest rumor tonight of JLA being animated, I mean this project is looking more screwed up in the rumor department than SR.:dry: :huh: :csad:

[Billy Batson]

:eek: ;)

http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html

Come on people only four signatures. :cmad:

[Gmanofsteel]

Come on people only four signatures. :cmad:

4 sigs in almost an hour :O

come on people we can do this! :supes: :up:

[musclesforsupes]

So (looks around) I love IESB's BIGGGG announcements! LMFAO :woot: :whatever:

[AgentPat]

...With the newest rumor tonight of JLA being animated...Wh...wha...what? :huh:

Where is this poop coming from? Did somebody let Marvel out of his cage again? This is getting RIDICULOUS!!!

Muscles, the whole POINT of a JL film (as I understand it) is so Warners can launch the individual franchises like WW, Flash and so forth. How would they do that in a 100% animated flick?

As to Welling, he was never "official" to begin with. There hasn't been any official casting announcements yet (unless I just missed it?) I can't begin to ponder his "chances" when technically, we can't be sure if he was ever really an option. All we've had to go on is rumor. But the film is supposedly coming together quickly. It HAS to if they want to get it into production ASAP. So we'll find out soon enough who'll get to wear the spiffy costume.

Finally, I think Miller will do a fantastic job, but if this thing really does turn out to be a full on mo-cap pic, fagetabowtit. The ONLY reason I'd even consider seeing it is if Welling gets cast, and I made that clear from Day One. Mo-cap films don't interest me at ALL, regardless of their subject matter. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/sick.gif

[triplet]

How about a snailmailed letter with printouts of the petition?

I voted, just in case.... this is still me not being here.

*waves hands in the air and mind whammies you into not remembering I was even here*

:ninja:

[Billy Batson]

Hah. I was thinking production companies (Fox produced Roswell), but you're right. It aired on UPN and then WB. I think WB was the recipient of the bottles. Third season, if I'm not mistaken.

You are right Fox was the Production Co., It aired on the WB first.
UPN pick it up after the WB canceled it. Smallville's formula is Roswell'ish.
Max Evans & Liz Parker were the WB's first Clana. :woot:


I never watched the show, but I know about the campaign because I used it as an example for one I organized about seven years ago. (Jeeze... how time flies.) Any Sex and the City fans out there? Remember Aidan Shaw? The guy that proposed to Carrie Bradshaw in the fourth season of the show? The guy who was HISTORY after the third season and wasn't supposed to come back for a fourth? Yeah, that was my doing. And I have the TV Guide and SATC Compendium Book articles to prove it.
And no... I'm not doing that s*** again. :cmad:

aHHHHH PAT! Damn :cmad: :csad:

[musclesforsupes]

Pat someone in the bluetights forum and in the comments section of the JLA article on superman homepage.com states its all going to be motion capture animation.

[ZIPBAGS]

How can Wonder Woman have an older weathered look. She is IMMORTAL!!!!

[KalKai]

Pat someone in the bluetights forum and in the comments section of the JLA article on superman homepage.com states its all going to be motion capture animation.

Because BoF says so? Just no.

[AgentPat]

Pat someone in the bluetights forum and in the comments section of the JLA article on superman homepage.com states its all going to be motion capture animation.Is the poster's name "motown marvel?" LOL

This is silly.

I haven't been to BT's since I unloaded on Justin a day or two ago. He probably banned me LOL. J/K And I rarely if ever go to SHP. So that explains why I'm a little in the dark on that. But Miller's resume aside, I can't imagine this being totally mo-cap. There's no point in doing that. Furthermore, people like Chris Nolan wouldn't be putting up a big stink, or Jett over at BOF having a major meltdown if it WAS entirely mo-cap. I'm just doing the math on that one; gotta look at all the "evidence," even if it is just rumor.

How can Wonder Woman have an older weathered look. She is IMMORTAL!!!!Hee! Don't tell me. Tell Miller. :p

Hey guys, I'm off on vacation. Going to Vegas and hope to come back rich LOL. I'll be signing off now and probably won't be back till Wednesday. MJZ gets to gloat all over my sorry ass on Sunday. That's gonna suck. :csad:

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/puppy.jpg

;) :p :D

Tata gang. Hold down the fort. And don't feed the trolls.

PS:

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/frog.jpg

[avidreader]

4 sigs in almost an hour :O

come on people we can do this! :supes: :up:

Okay I signed it. But you've got an error there. Can you correct it, 'cause it says Ton Welling, not Tom. :O

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Some fan Muscles is if he cant even spell a freaking three letter name right.

[musclesforsupes]

Some fan Muscles is if he cant even spell a freaking three letter name right.
http://www.variety.com/in
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Check out the above website and voice your opinion.


Oh and Caboose I am one of the huge welling fans from way back just ask triplet or pat!

[The Incredible Hulk]

start an online petition ;)

or you could always urinate into a tornado ;)

[RakuMon]

http://www.variety.com/in
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Check out the above website and voice your opinion.


Oh and Caboose I am one of the huge welling fans from way back just ask triplet or pat!

I suggested that earlier too. It might be all for naught, but at least it's something. And who knows, since it's Variety, studio people are bound to read the comments.

[Serene]

I suggested that earlier too. It might be all for naught, but at least it's something. And who knows, since it's Variety, studio people are bound to read the comments.

I submitted a comment yesterday that never showed up, and I know of someone else who did the same. I swear, it wasn't long or ranting in any way.

[RakuMon]

same thing happened to me actually. I think their servers were wonky yesterday. I posted again today, and it went through right away. You should try again! It doesn't hurt to have more support for Welling at Variety. He's already drumming up a lot of it as it is. Who knows? Maybe WB will listen if enough people make a stink about not casting Welling!

[Zorex]

Holy snap. There's something about that picture...a certain intensity and "grr, man"-liness that I don't think I've seen from Welling.

[The Joker_1000]

Is he actually going to be in the JLA movie or not?

[Serene]

Holy snap. There's something about that picture...a certain intensity and "grr, man"-liness that I don't think I've seen from Welling.

LOL... Have you seen many candid pics of Tom? He can put on quite the Mr. Crankyface when he's not happy.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7577/finfinalpixx000847405sfto2.jpg

[Zorex]

heh reminds me a bit of Chris Reeve actually... :woot:
I think that's quite it, actually...
LOL... Have you seen many candid pics of Tom? He can put on quite the Mr. Crankyface when he's not happy.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7577/finfinalpixx000847405sfto2.jpg
That's pouty with stubble. I can't explain it, but it's not the same.

[The Incredible Hulk]

not a wise move to piss off Superman before he's had his coffee(s)

[Serene]

not a wise move to piss off Superman before he's had his coffee(s)

Or pull on his cape. ;)

[Syncos]

or you could always urinate into a tornado ;)

Been there, done that.


....... I don't recommend it. >.>

[Justice Bringer]

thanks to Rafferty Rulz

Auditions took place this past week for the "Justice League" project and notices mailed out have confirmed some details.

First up, shooting is slated to begin mid-February in Sydney, Australia and the shoot will run for approximately three to four months under the helm of the confirmed George Miller.

The production is currently based out of Seattle, and they are searching "for the 8-9 leads for this action feature film".

What do they require? "We are looking for Male actors 18-35 years old; Caucasian and Black. The primary focus should be to find Caucasian actors. There is 1 role for the Black Actor. We are looking for Female actors 20-32 years old; any ethnicity."

If this is true, there ends the Countdown lady's rumor that age was the reason Welling wasnt selected.

There were obviously other reasons.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070923a.php

[The Joker_1000]

I wouldn't mind if we got a black Superman but that's not because I'm black myself. :D I'd love it if he were black but the actor would have to look strong & be able to act.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I wouldn't mind if we got a black Superman but that's not because I'm black myself. :D I'd love it if he were black but the actor would have to look strong & be able to act.

I think the black actor is for John Stewart

[The Joker_1000]

Okay, but I'm saying I wouldn't mind getting a black Superman for this movie.

[Justice Bringer]

Ryan Gosling says he'd make a laughable Batman

http://www.comics2film.com/e/icons/arrow1_e.gif mtv.com (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1570258/20070920/story.jhtml)
September 22, 2007 - 2150 reads
Ryan Gosling's name has come up as a rumored contender to play Batman in the 'Justice League (http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=29105#)' movie. However, Gosling seemed to downplay the idea while talking to MTV.

MTV (http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=29105#) did not ask Gosling about the rumor directly, but did pose the question of whether or not he'd be interested in doing a comic-book action movie (http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=29105#).

"I never really read comic books (http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=29105#) actually, so it's not really a genre I'm familiar with. [But] I don't know if anyone would have me as a comic book hero. It's never really come across my path," was Gosling's initial response.

The MTV reporter then said he'd go see Gosling as Batman (http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=29105#).

"Yeah, but you'd go for the wrong reasons. You'd ... watch me go play Batman and laugh."

So is Gosling a contender for the 'Justice League' movie? Who knows...but it sounds like he's not that interested in playing the Dark Knight (http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=29105#) on screen.

http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=29105



He ain't in it.

[The Joker_1000]

Are there any black actors out there that could play Superman?

[KBX]

Are there any black actors out there that could play Superman?

Its not that there aren't any actors out there who are black that can't play Superman, its just after all these years of Superman looking a certain way, people will complain about it one way or another.

But Henry Simmons or Michael Jai White...

[Justice Bringer]

No.

Because Superman is white.

[RakuMon]

I thought Superman was Kryptonian. :confused:

[Justice Bringer]

Yeah hes a white Kryptonian.

[The Joker_1000]

Technically, he is an alien which means he has no certain ethnicity. Btw, just because his skin color is white in the comics doesn't mean he can't be black in a movie adaptation.

[The Joker_1000]

Enough with what seems to be racism.

[KBX]

Technically, he is an alien which means he has no certain ethnicity. Btw, just because his skin color is white in the comics doesn't mean he can't be black in a movie adaptation.

PETE!!!!!!

[Justice Bringer]

You brought it up. Besides theres no need for it.

We're already getting that assclown John Stewart instead of Hal Jordan.

There can't be 2 black guys.....

[RakuMon]

Technically, he is an alien which means he has no certain ethnicity. Btw, just because his skin color is white in the comics doesn't mean he can't be black in a movie adaptation.

Quoted for truth! :up:

[Justice Bringer]

PETE!!!!!!

Yeah look how well that turned out.

[Justice Bringer]

He does have an ethnicity. 'Arrivial' showed us there are different ethnic groups of Kryptonians.

[The Joker_1000]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Smallville continuity is much different from the Superman comics to which the movies are based on.

Stop making yourself look like an ass JB.

[Justice Bringer]

No. Youre gonna have to fight me.

Jon Peters told me youre tough... cos youre from the streets.

[KBX]

Yeah look how well that turned out.

Well yeah, fans missed him well he was gone and wished he would come back...

If you can act the role, I don't care if your black, white, hispanic or asian...

[Justice Bringer]

Well yeah, fans missed him well he was gone and wished he would come back...

If you can act the role, I don't care if your black, white, hispanic or asian...


It depends on the platform I think. The show was so small town and white-bred back then that Pete didnt exactly fit in. The show was like Dawsons Creek.

I think he'd fit in better with the current direction of the show.

[Billy Batson]

Take that crap else where please.
SHH! Community a wonderful place for that type of talk.
SUPERMAN do not support such ignorance.

I miss Pete so shut the hell up!!!!!!!!! :cmad: :whatever: DumbA$$es
Black Superman = Steel

Amazing!
Chat like this is permitted, and debating about Routh vs Welling would get you banned.

Petty, petty humans, Kal-EL actually care for you skin sacks. :huh:

You brought it up. Besides theres no need for it.

We're already getting that assclown John Stewart instead of Hal Jordan.

There can't be 2 black guys.....
J.B change your name, you DO NOT stand for Justice!

[Justice Bringer]

I hate John Stewart. I dont care what race he is but hes a crappy character.

He acts like he has a stick up his ass all the time.

Hal Jordan is the James T Kirk of the Green Lanterns. At least he messes around enough to challenge Oliver Queen and Tony Stark's reputations.

[Billy Batson]

The Justice League TAS's John Stewart was a man's man, A F'en Marine.
I love him. Wow! you like a Green Lantern because he get chicks, John had his own triangle on JLU.

[Justice Bringer]

It was boring. Hawkgirl was the worst character on the show and their relationship went nowhere.

John has no personality either. Wait till Hal shows up on The Batman and JL: New Frontier. Hes going to be waay better.

Hell, even Kyle Rayner in STAS was more interesting than John.

[Billy Batson]

Well I enjoyed them equally, I'll leave at that.
Kyle was great, John was great, and I'm looking forward to Hal being great as well.

[Eddie Brock]

So suddenly saying that Superman shouldn't be black is racist?

There's nothing racist about a huge deviation from anything comics have previously established. It's not BECAUSE he's black, it's because he's NEVER been black...or anything even close to it.

Superman has always been portrayed as a Caucasian man, and changing that is painfully unnecessary. There are, however, some characters that know no racial boundaries (Kingpin jumps to mind...he actually works better as a black man, IMO) but Supes is not one of them.

[Justice Bringer]

Besides I wouldnt want to see a black actor attempt the Superman hair..

Unnecessary use of Jeri curl.

[coldiron_234]

Well, looks like they got A JLA movie coming out, maybe. I wonder how they got that idea. Smallville most likely. I see every Superman Returns fans want Brandon Roth as JLA's Superman. Go figure.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I see every Superman Returns fans want Brandon Roth as JLA's Superman. Go figure.

How is that different compared to Smallville fans wanting Welling ? Welling fans are no more guilty then Routh fans go figure.

[The Incredible Hulk]

You brought it up. Besides theres no need for it.

We're already getting that assclown John Stewart instead of Hal Jordan.

There can't be 2 black guys.....


ehh we might be getting both actually if the last thing I heard on the script is accurate

[triplet]

Jeez, guys...

:mad:

C. Lee was probably being nice letting us discuss Tom maybe getting the part in the justice league film in here, I don't want discussion veering this far off course maybe getting this thread closed.

Can everyone play nice, please?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I don't want discussion veering this far off course maybe getting this thread closed

Its probably to late for that. I think its obvious where the direction this thread will be going in.

[avidreader]

ehh we might be getting both actually if the last thing I heard on the script is accurate


... and what does that mean????

[The Joker_1000]

There is nothing wrong with a black Superman. To say that a black actor couldn't pull off the role when white men have attempted it & failed shows your lack of intelligence & the fact that your brain doesn't allow you think past the fact that white men have been ******* up the role of Superman for years.

[Justice Bringer]

ehh we might be getting both actually if the last thing I heard on the script is accurate

I hope you heard that from someone credible; not countingdown.com


It'd be great to have both but I'm not optimistic they'd alter the Mulrooney's 2nd draft that much.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

This threads destiny has been revealed :wow:

[The Joker_1000]

This thread's destiny is to be closed due to the ignorance of a few people who don't know what the hell they are talking about.

[triplet]

*sigh*

If this keeps up someone less sympathetic than C. Lee might come in here and close this thread down...

Please get the convo closer back to the thread topic.

[The Joker_1000]

Well, as I was saying, if someone black who resembles Superman could be cast & was a hell of an actor, I'd be happy. Of course I wouldn't care if he was white either but I just would like to see more diversity for superheroes.

[Justice Bringer]

This thread's destiny is to be closed due to the ignorance of a few people who don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Like that Vegeta_1000 guy

[Justice Bringer]

Well, as I was saying, if someone black who resembles Superman could be cast & was a hell of an actor, I'd be happy. Of course I wouldn't care if he was white either but I just would like to see more diversity for superheroes.

Its been done.

http://images2.fotosik.pl/98/7ac74c53078e18e6.jpg

He was part of some crappy earth that got destroyed.

[triplet]

Well, as I was saying, if someone black who resembles Superman could be cast & was a hell of an actor, I'd be happy. Of course I wouldn't care if he was white either but I just would like to see more diversity for superheroes.

True but having two of the black GL's would do something about that as well as having MM in the JLA film....

That'd be three in one film.

Diversity is never a bad thing.

:up:

So, now how's about we talk about wonderful Tom will be as Superman in the JLA film?

;)

And JB:

You are not helping.

[The Joker_1000]

Seems like the racist is trying to use what little intelligence he has. Lol, you're funny Justice Bringer, say something else. :D

[triplet]

*sigh*

[Justice Bringer]

And JB:

You are not helping.

Werent you in hiding?

Um welcome back.

Tom's not in the JLA film.

[The Joker_1000]

Moving on, Tom actually looks like Superman a great deal & I'm sure he could make his voice deep like Superman, he's done it a few times.

[triplet]

Werent you in hiding?

I came out of exile to put a stop to nonsense like you've been spouting.




Um welcome back.

Thanks, I think.

Tom's not in the JLA film.

:p

Moving on, Tom actually looks like Superman a great deal & I'm sure he could make his voice deep like Superman, he's done it a few times.

Thank you, Vegeta...

And I agree.

I think Tom would be wonderful as Superman, naturally...

:D

His natural speaking voice is deeper than how he talks on Smallville. I've seen it a few places that he pushes his voice up to make himself sound younger...

Of course he'll be awesome, if he gets the job.

I hope he does.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

same thing happened to me actually. I think their servers were wonky yesterday. I posted again today, and it went through right away. You should try again! It doesn't hurt to have more support for Welling at Variety. He's already drumming up a lot of it as it is. Who knows? Maybe WB will listen if enough people make a stink about not casting Welling!

I agree, they may be leaking that Tom's out to test the waters and how ppl react to it. if we continue to make noise maybe finally they will listen.
Casting was a big reason for the almost general apathy that SR created among fans. And especially the fact that the face of Superman (Welling) to many worldwide wasn't cast. They would be extremely dumb if they made the same mistake again. Especially since now they're pissing off not only Welling's fans but SR/Singer/Routh fans...

[Justice Bringer]

I'm a Brandon fan but I dont want him in this if Christian isnt in it; it wouldnt make sense.

I'm down with a new actor; it's just going to be tough to cast another unknown.

Theyre asking for a Male, caucasion 18-35 for the role. There arent any knowns available that fit the bill.

Got any suggestions?

[Justice Bringer]

I came out of exile to put a stop to nonsense like you've been spouting..

You succeeded.

But the new Family Guy is distracting me anyway.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

heh reminds me a bit of Chris Reeve actually... :woot:

Very true. In that picture they look similar. In certain angles they look alike. Not that is the reason that he should be chosen. I think they're similar in the fact that both also came up with their own original interpretation of the character and have represented the best parts of the Superman character. I think Chris would have been really proud of Tom. If he wasn't already.

[The Joker_1000]

Even though I think Tom would be great as Superman, I think that they should get someone completely new for the role.

[Serene]

And JB:

You are not helping.

Of course he's not. Getting a thread shut down in this forum would make his day. He's Kane, it's what he does. Why anyone still acknowledges his presence I'll never understand. Although I do occasionally wonder if he ever regrets what he did to us here. He obviously loves being here.

Back on-topic - I can't help still clinging to a bit of hope about all this. It just seems so damn obvious that Tom is the best choice for this film.

And that Variety site hates me. My comment still hasn't shown up. :mad:

[triplet]

Of course he's not. Getting a thread shut down in this forum would make his day. He's Kane, it's what he does. Why anyone still acknowledges his presence I'll never understand. Although I do occasionally wonder if he ever regrets what he did to us here. He obviously loves being here.

I would do a lot to ease the tension whenever he posts if he would apologize, true.

Back on-topic - I can't help still clinging to a bit of hope about all this. It just seems so damn obvious that Tom is the best choice for this film.

And that Variety site hates me. My comment still hasn't shown up. :mad:

Oh, I'm sorry....

*hugs*

And Tom is the best choice.

He's got the body, the look, the personality that all suits playing the big guy in blue.

:up:

I would be sorry if they didn't hire Tom, but I would live. It certainly won't upset me as much as I was last time.

I hope they see the light of reason and give him whatever he wants to play the part.

He would be perfect.

[Whiteflag]

I saw LOSH and OMG! That Superman from the future is beautiful and he looks so much like Tom! I kept thinking how powerful and incredibly attractive Tom's own take on Superman would be on the big screen! *Sigh*

I agree that his voice would be perfect too! :up:

[mellyM]

You know I was thinking, no good has ever come from anyone playing Superman, maybe its best the deal isn't going to happen, or probably won't happen.

[Whiteflag]

You know I was thinking, no good has ever come from anyone playing Superman, maybe its best the deal isn't going to happen, or probably won't happen.

I had mixed feelings about this deal from the beginning precisely because of that. It may be good for Tom not to play Superman on the big screen. Still, I'm sure he'd be awesome! And Superman deserves to be played by someone who could do him justice, like Tom.

[TWistim]

I would be so excited to see Tom play Superman In JLA. I can't think of anyone else I'd rather see in this role. :heart:

At the same time, I really want to see him do different things. Getting typecast is a valid consideration. Maybe if they offered him an option to also do a couple of other non-Superman related movies it would sweeten the deal. I think that once the mainstream movie-going public discovers him he will be very successful. He has everything it takes, especially that unique "it" factor that is so hard to describe but when you have it, you just have it. When he is on screen its hard to take your eyes off him. He just draws you in. :wow:

I just wish we would hear something definite.

[triplet]

I think him getting type cast would be a danger, but I think he's smart enough to maybe have them include doing other films outside the franchise in his contract...

[TWistim]

I think him getting type cast would be a danger, but I think he's smart enough to maybe have them include doing other films outside the franchise in his contract...

Welcome back!

Yeah, that would have to be a concern of his. AND if this movie is done right there will be another and if they want to reboot the Superman franchise, as is rumored, playing Superman could go on and on. It would be a shame not to get to see him stretch his wings and do other things.

[Billy Batson]

I wouldn't mind The Rock playing SUPERMAN! :woot:

The Rock + SUPERMAN = Captain Marvel :oldrazz:

You know I was thinking, no good has ever come from anyone playing Superman, maybe its best the deal isn't going to happen, or probably won't happen.

:csad: I would hate to see "The SUPERMAN curse" befall Welling as well.

[musclesforsupes]

Okay,

So I have been away most of the weekend, whats the newest info on this crazy situation, seems IESB isnt posting S**** on it and it seems Robert over there went into hiding or something. Oh the pics of welling a few pages back how come no one went to ask him about the movie if they were taken by someone here?

[avidreader]

I would be so excited to see Tom play Superman In JLA. I can't think of anyone else I'd rather see in this role. :heart:

At the same time, I really want to see him do different things. Getting typecast is a valid consideration. Maybe if they offered him an option to also do a couple of other non-Superman related movies it would sweeten the deal. I think that once the mainstream movie-going public discovers him he will be very successful. He has everything it takes, especially that unique "it" factor that is so hard to describe but when you have it, you just have it. When he is on screen its hard to take your eyes off him. He just draws you in. :wow:

I just wish we would hear something definite.

I couldnt have said it better myself Twistim. :up:

Ya know, the other thing to consider is, that originally when this rumour first started making the rounds it was thought that the movie was going to be shot in Vancouver, but I just dont see how its physically possible for Tom to keep working on Smallville up until April, and start shooting a movie in Australia that begins in February. It really could all be a matter of logistics.

[Kalleo]

Me for one I am ready to get off this roller coaster of Tom playing Superman. I am so tired of getting my hopes up for two seconds later someone bringing me down. I mean I would love to just hear the truth behind this. Like Tom say I am flattered but never had any intention whatsoever of playing Superman. Or have the studio fess up for screwing Tom out of the role. Me I just may stop watching Smallville over this and at this point have no desire to see JLA. I feel like a cat toy right now. How about a little truth WB give the fans a break and let us in the know. With the invention of Al Gores internet the days of fans just waiting around till a movie hits the theater is over we want to know now the info, and one way or another we will know. So wake up WB and clue us in.

[triplet]

Okay,

So I have been away most of the weekend, whats the newest info on this crazy situation, seems IESB isnt posting S**** on it and it seems Robert over there went into hiding or something. Oh the pics of welling a few pages back how come no one went to ask him about the movie if they were taken by someone here?

Those weren't taken by anyone here, they were from earlier in the year, like May something, and were paparazzi images...

I couldnt have said it better myself Twistim. :up:

Ya know, the other thing to consider is, that originally when this rumour first started making the rounds it was thought that the movie was going to be shot in Vancouver, but I just dont see how its physically possible for Tom to keep working on Smallville up until April, and start shooting a movie in Australia that begins in February. It really could all be a matter of logistics.

Well, they could still work it out if they film all the non-Superman stuff before Tom goes down, they could push all his stuff toward the end of the shoot.

It might be tricky, but probably not impossible to do.

I guess we'll see...

Me for one I am ready to get off this roller coaster of Tom playing Superman. I am so tired of getting my hopes up for two seconds later someone bringing me down. I mean I would love to just hear the truth behind this. Like Tom say I am flattered but never had any intention whatsoever of playing Superman. Or have the studio fess up for screwing Tom out of the role. Me I just may stop watching Smallville over this and at this point have no desire to see JLA. I feel like a cat toy right now. How about a little truth WB give the fans a break and let us in the know. With the invention of Al Gores internet the days of fans just waiting around till a movie hits the theater is over we want to know now the info, and one way or another we will know. So wake up WB and clue us in.

Don't stop watching Smallville.

They're not playing with us on purpose, I'm sure there's some reason there hasn't been news.

We'll learn what's going on eventually, even if we never learn the details.

[COMPO]

maybe, Tom is conflicted on whether to do the role and they're waiting for him.

[Kalleo]

I wonder if he knows how many fans he has out there that want to see him in the suit? I wonder if he knows how many kids look up to him already seeing him as Superman? My two kids do and they can not wait till thursdays roll around to see him on Smallville. I mean it just kills me that WB cant see what a win all around it would be to have Tom as Superman.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

This girl that tested for Wonder Woman just throws the argument out the window that Tom "was" left out because of age and Miller wants weathered heroes that seen so many battles. Please.

You know what is my opinion on this ? I think there are so many people worldwide wishing for this to happen that sooner or later it WILL happen. In some shape or form. Just take Pierce Brosnan for example and how destiny came into play.
His wife was a Bond girl in 007 - For Your Eyes Only with Roger Moore. While visiting his wife on the set, the producers namely Cubby Broccolli took notice of Pierce (who already wished he could be James Bond someday) and thought that he could be a good sucessor to Moore.
After Roger left the franchise, they came to Pierce to do 007- The Living Daylights, Pierce wanted to do the movie but was stuck because of his contract to the tv show Remington Steele (sounds familiar ?), so Timothy Dalton took the role.
He was fine but never really made the character his own like Roger or Sean did, so after his second Bond was considered a disapointment, the franchise went into hiatus, until 8 years after first being asked to give his take on 007, Pierce Brosnan finally got the role he was born to play (and that his wife so wanted him to have - before she died of cancer she told him to go after the role and get it) and the rest is history.
While 007 - Casino Royale is the biggest box-office hit for a Bond movie ever, Pierce Brosnan's Bond movies are still the highest grossing of the franchise.
That's why I say, it may take years but Tom Welling and us won't be denied. It may be a theatrical Superman, JLA movie, or a tv or direct to dvd movie but it will happen.
Let them make the same mistake twice, they will again pay dearly for it and will have to come to their senses, and after a year or two Tom won't be the property of Gough, Millar and CW and there won't be any more escuses.
I still pray that Warner will learn from their mistake or take a lesson from this Pierce Brosnan story...

[Kalleo]

What gets me is there are so many posting they are in the know about who is being considered and cast for this and that role. Well they should let us know how to contact them and that way we could persuade them that Tom is our Superman and cast him for the role.

[RakuMon]

This girl that tested for Wonder Woman just throws the argument out the window that Tom "was" left out because of age and Miller wants weathered heroes that seen so many battles. Please.

You know what is my opinion on this ? I think there are so many people worldwide wishing for this to happen that sooner or later it WILL happen. In some shape or form. Just take Pierce Brosnan for example and how destiny came into play.
His wife was a Bond girl in 007 - For Your Eyes Only with Roger Moore. While visiting his wife on the set, the producers namely Cubby Broccolli took notice of Pierce (who already wished he could be James Bond someday) and thought that he could be a good sucessor to Moore.
After Roger left the franchise, they came to Pierce to do 007- The Living Daylights, Pierce wanted to do the movie but was stuck because of his contract to the tv show Remington Steele (sounds familiar ?), so Timothy Dalton took the role.
He was fine but never really made the character his own like Roger or Sean did, so after his second Bond was considered a disapointment, the franchise went into hiatus, until 8 years after first being asked to give his take on 007, Pierce Brosnan finally got the role he was born to play (and that his wife so wanted him to have - before she died of cancer she told him to go after the role and get it) and the rest is history.
While 007 - Casino Royale is the biggest box-office hit for a Bond movie ever, Pierce Brosnan's Bond movies are still the highest grossing of the franchise.
That's why I say, it may take years but Tom Welling and us won't be denied. It may be a theatrical Superman, JLA movie, or a tv or direct to dvd movie but it will happen.
Let them make the same mistake twice, they will again pay dearly for it and will have to come to their senses, and after a year or two Tom won't be the property of Gough, Millar and CW and there won't be any more escuses.
I still pray that Warner will learn from their mistake or take a lesson from this Pierce Brosnan story...

That's a nice analogy, but an awfully optimistic one. I feel that if WB once again passes on Tom Welling as Superman, then that ship has sailed. I doubt they'd go to the well a third time. And even if they did, I wouldn't blame Welling for turning them down that third time.

You see, unlike the Pierce Brosnan as 007 situation, I don't think Welling is desperate to play Superman' unlike, say, another actor who's tackled the role. If a movie role came his way, I'm sure he'd be up for it, but after getting dicked around by the studio twice (allegedly) I can't see him setting himself up again like that. If the features department doesn't want him as Superman, there's nothing he can do about that. It's becoming increasingly clearer that his seven (or eight) years on Smallville will be his only contribution to the live action legacy of Superman.

[Kalleo]

I would just like to know how we as a whole (Tom Welling for Superman) can get WB and Miller to wake up and cast Tom as Superman. I mean there has to be something we can do? Once again I bring up the Jericho guys that did a bang up job and got it back on the air. If enough of us ban together we can cause enough stir they have to take notice.

[Justice Bringer]

Smallville's production wraps up in mid April 2008 in Vancouver.

According to the casting call information about JL's filming; its 3-4 months ending in mid to late May 2008 in Australia.


It doesnt work out. Theres no way.

Though I dont believe scheduling was the only reason Welling wasnt selected to be Superman.

It's done.

[triplet]

I would just like to know how we as a whole (Tom Welling for Superman) can get WB and Miller to wake up and cast Tom as Superman. I mean there has to be something we can do? Once again I bring up the Jericho guys that did a bang up job and got it back on the air. If enough of us ban together we can cause enough stir they have to take notice.

The thing is I'm not sure it'd be as easy to sway TPTB for JLA and Warner's to put a particular person into the role...

I don't think Jericho costs 150 million dollars, JLA's stated budget is far more serious amount of money than it costs for a season of episodes.

[Kalleo]

You know I have nothing against Routh at all but I see him the same way I see the guy who played Elvis Presley in that tv show about a young Elvis. Damn the guy looked just like Elvis but years later I will be damned if I can remember the guys name. I feel Routh got the the Superman job because he looked and sounded so much like Chris Reeve. Its a shame for Routh and a slap in the face of Chris at the same time. A shambe because Routh wasnt able to be his own Supes and a slap in the face because Chris was being knocked off by an imitation. I am not really wording myself properly here hopefully you guys understand what I am saying. I am not trying to slam Routh dont get me wrong I just think he was convenient to pick to continue the Donner Films. But for me Tom is who I see as my Superman even though he hasnt put the suit on he still has had more origin story for me that when or if he ever does put the suit on I will already know him and where he came from. Let me say this too no matter if they were to use the Smallville origin or not he has shown me the compassion, honor and dignity that Superman is.

[musclesforsupes]

I still have a few questions.


1. Seems Robert Sanchez has been gone for the past few days from IESB since the welling thing started last week.

2. This lady over at Countingdown.com still thinks we have a shot with welling.


One thing that will give me hope is I remember when Troy's director was attached for Bats Vs Supes and that fell apart hopefully this does the same.


Plus is it just me or does Tom live in like a cave and never comes out, cause no one on the street seems to never see him. Hell if I saw him, I would go up to him and say JLA yes or no? Ever put the suit on?

[Kalleo]

The thing is I'm not sure it'd be as easy to sway TPTB for JLA and Warner's to put a particular person into the role...

I don't think Jericho costs 150 million dollars, JLA's stated budget is far more serious amount of money than it costs for a season of episodes.


I feel if there is a will there is a way. I mean damn we already have a Kara on the show why couldnt Tom be out of a few epy's and say he is off with GA and gang fighting 33.1 facilities. I mean yeah the show is about him but he could be out Kara run the farm and set things up for a Supergirl spin off. I mean damn it could be the perfect gage to see if a Supergirl spin would work or not just watch the ratings. I mean damn if there is a will there is a way. I just think the cross promotion of Tom being in both would pay for itself in advertising.

[Justice Bringer]

You know I have nothing against Routh at all but I see him the same way I see the guy who played Elvis Presley in that tv show about a young Elvis. Damn the guy looked just like Elvis but years later I will be damned if I can remember the guys name. I feel Routh got the the Superman job because he looked and sounded so much like Chris Reeve. Its a shame for Routh and a slap in the face of Chris at the same time. A shambe because Routh wasnt able to be his own Supes and a slap in the face because Chris was being knocked off by an imitation. I am not really wording myself properly here hopefully you guys understand what I am saying. I am not trying to slam Routh dont get me wrong I just think he was convenient to pick to continue the Donner Films. But for me Tom is who I see as my Superman even though he hasnt put the suit on he still has had more origin story for me that when or if he ever does put the suit on I will already know him and where he came from. Let me say this too no matter if they were to use the Smallville origin or not he has shown me the compassion, honor and dignity that Superman is.

I dont agree on the dignity part for Welling; they've made a fool out of his character with the weak writing at often times but I can agree with some of the rest of that.

Though I really dont have a problem with him not being Superman and sticking with the young Clark character; it suits him more; it suits his acting style more.

The Superman in the JL script doesnt even come off like his Smallville character so it was probably for the best anyway.

[Justice Bringer]

2. This lady over at Countingdown.com still thinks we have a shot with welling.

I can answer that.

Shes full of crap.

That rumor she started about Tom being excluded since they wanted older, weathered heroes is pure lies.

The casting call asked for Males; 18-35 and females 20-32 for all the lead roles.

The thing she said about them deciding to use Mo-cap to make Welling appear older is nonsense too.

[COMPO]

I don't really think he's bothered about being Superman.

[Kalleo]

I dont agree on the dignity part for Welling; they've made a fool out of his character with the weak writing at often times but I can agree with some of the rest of that.

Though I really dont have a problem with him not being Superman and sticking with the young Clark character; it suits him more; it suits his acting style more.

The Superman in the JL script doesnt even come off like his Smallville character so it was probably for the best anyway.


I dont know Justice Bringer there has been plenty of episodes that brought tears to my eyes. Tom has done an amazing job as a young Clark Kent. Now this is coming from a guy who didnt watch the first two seasons of Smallville because I thought they were going to mess up my memories of the Chris Reeves movies. I never watched Lois and Clark for the same reason. But I caught the pilot episode on ABC family and have been hooked on it ever since. Me I like the way they updated the mythos to more modern times. It all works for me, and Toms acting has grown leaps and bounds. Not to mention he can do the physical stuff too.

[triplet]

Smallville's production wraps up in mid April 2008 in Vancouver.

According to the casting call information about JL's filming; its 3-4 months ending in mid to late May 2008 in Australia.


It doesnt work out. Theres no way.

Though I dont believe scheduling was the only reason Welling wasnt selected to be Superman.

It's done.

You're assuming a lot based on the stated production dates from casting notices.

You don't know it's done, no one does. That's the whole reason people are still takling about it.

Just because filming of Smallville ends a month before JLA filming doesn't mean that Tom is out, in and of itself.

This is an ensemble movie and superman's part may not take more than 4 or 6 weeks (mid-April to mid- or end of May) to film...

It still might be do-able. Don't let the schedule convince you it isn't possible.

A creative Production Manager could probably work it so that Superman's scenes are all filmed at the end of the shoot...

If they want Tom bad enough, they will make it work.

[Kalleo]

I don't really think he's bothered about being Superman.


Well see that to me would clear everything up. Does Tom want the job? If he does then thats one thing if he doesnt well thats another. Not to mention we dont even know if he was even up for the role. Just knowing those two things would say volumes.

1. Does he want the job?

2. Was he considered for the role?

[Justice Bringer]

You're assuming a lot based on the stated production dates from casting notices.

You don't know it's done, no one does. That's the whole reason people are still takling about it.

Just because filming of Smallville ends a month before JLA filming doesn't mean that Tom is out, in and of itself.

This is an ensemble movie and superman's part may not take more than 4 or 6 weeks (mid-April to mid- or end of May) to film...

It still might be do-able. Don't let the schedule convince you it isn't possible.

A creative Production Manager could probably work it so that Superman's scenes are all filmed at the end of the shoot....

Its an ensemble film but Superman gets the second most screentime in that script; next to Batman (whos essentially the main character).

Its unrealistic to believe they could film all of Superman's scenes and action sequences within such a short period...in a month; especially when most of his scenes involve the other characters.

And the period announced in the casting call is accurate. Fox studios in Australia is doing Wolverine before JLA and is booked to do another picture right after. Its tight scheduling.



If they want Tom bad enough, they will make it work

Clearly they don't. I'm starting to have doubts they ever did. Sanchez never got around to explaining what went wrong; coincidently he was the only credible site running with this story.....mistakes may have been made.

Though his biggest mistake was jumping the gun and announcing this on TV.

[Serene]

I would be so excited to see Tom play Superman In JLA. I can't think of anyone else I'd rather see in this role. :heart:


Me either. I'm doubting how open I'm going to be to seeing another actor in the role on the big screen again. I honestly don't know.


At the same time, I really want to see him do different things. Getting typecast is a valid consideration. Maybe if they offered him an option to also do a couple of other non-Superman related movies it would sweeten the deal. I think that once the mainstream movie-going public discovers him he will be very successful. He has everything it takes, especially that unique "it" factor that is so hard to describe but when you have it, you just have it. When he is on screen its hard to take your eyes off him. He just draws you in. :wow:

Coudn't agree more. But...I do think it would be a bad decision career-wise for Tom to pass on this if it was ever offered to him. Sure, he's got amazing on-screen charisma, but getting good breaks in ollywood, (i.e. decent scripts) is a very hard thing, and maybe even harder for a guy who's spent the last 6 years in a genre based TV show. I'd love for Tom to WANT to continue his portrayal of the MOS, and to play it for all it's worth.

If he doesn't *want* it though, that's a whole 'nother story. I'll still support him no matter what he does, but until we know otherwise, I won't stop hoping for him to get this role in this movie.


I just wish we would hear something definite.

Can I get an "Aaaamen!" ;)

[Justice Bringer]

2. Was he considered for the role?

That's the big one I'm starting to question.

[Thunder Emperor]

with the casting call ages out. I think Tom is still in the running. I have no facts other tthan the fact Smallville starts this weekend.

[TWistim]

It's becoming increasingly clearer that his seven (or eight) years on Smallville will be his only contribution to the live action legacy of Superman.

And what a contribution that has been!!! He has won his place in Superman history already in my book.

As unlikely as it may seem to some, I don't think that Tom is out of the running. There is too much speculation and rumor and not enough solid info to know anything for sure. I'm not gonna give up hope until I see someone else announced.

And I agree with you, Serene. I think this movie could put Tom on the radar screen of those in a position to offer him the types of roles that those of us who really believe in him want to see him get a chance to do.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Its an ensemble film but Superman gets the second most screentime in that script; next to Batman (whos essentially the main character).

Its unrealistic to believe they could film all of Superman's scenes and action sequences within such a short period...in a month; especially when most of his scenes involve the other characters.



you act as if you have a clue as to what the script really looks like

[Justice Bringer]

The 2nd draft. Yes I do.

I dont think they'll drastically alter much from it with what little time left and casting underway.

[RakuMon]

The 2nd draft. Yes I do.

I dont think they'll drastically alter much from it with what little time left and casting underway.

:whatever: I call shenanigans.

[Justice Bringer]

Put it this way; mostly everything me and Showtime were told about the script; like very very specific details (characters, villians, story, twist ending, the death,) etc was backed up some time later on AICN and IESB.

I had posted the details on the Superman boards long before then.

Not that I even like the stuff presented in the script. One of the first things I said months before all this casting stuff is that I hope Christian and Brandon arent in this; this script is crap.

Theres always room for changes but I can't realistically see drastic changes being done in such little time.

[triplet]

Its an ensemble film but Superman gets the second most screentime in that script; next to Batman (whos essentially the main character).

How do you know that?

In the original OMAC storyline, Superman was a b-story essentially. He goes crazy and the OMACs start killing meta-human/superheroes...

The mysteries in that story are why Clark went crazy and who was controlling the OMACs and stole the brother I satellite that controlled them and tracked the meta humans....

Batman and Wonder Woman have to figure that out... Although I'd love for Superman to be the prime character, if that's the story they're following, he won't be.

Its unrealistic to believe they could film all of Superman's scenes and action sequences within such a short period...in a month; especially when most of his scenes involve the other characters.

How do you know that? Have you read the script?

In the original story, most of Superman's scenes with the other superheroes were either at Max Lord's Swiss hide-out or battling Wonder Woman or up at the Watch Tower....

It wasn't like he had a lot of scenes...

And the period announced in the casting call is accurate. Fox studios in Australia is doing Wolverine before JLA and is booked to do another picture right after. Its tight scheduling.

Yeah, so?

I brought that up because you can't base the needs of one actor's filming schedule on general casting notices. He could very well only be needed for a fraction of the total production schedule.

Clearly they don't. I'm starting to have doubts they ever did.

Again, how do you know?

You got an in somewhere on the Warner's lot? You know some suits over there?

:rolleyes:

It's all conjecture and speculation at this point. We don't know what's happening any more than you do but you state your opinions as fact.

You should know better by now that won't wash.

Me either. I'm doubting how open I'm going to be to seeing another actor in the role on the big screen again. I honestly don't know.

I don't know if I'll buy yet another Superman. I didn't totally buy brandon, for reasons I won't get into, but yet another person playing superman?

If Tom doesn't get it, I'll have to see how I feel once I see the guy and his performance.

Coudn't agree more. But...I do think it would be a bad decision career-wise for Tom to pass on this if it was ever offered to him. Sure, he's got amazing on-screen charisma, but getting good breaks in Hollywood, (i.e. decent scripts) is a very hard thing, and maybe even harder for a guy who's spent the last 6 years in a genre based TV show. I'd love for Tom to WANT to continue his portrayal of the MOS, and to play it for all it's worth.

If he doesn't *want* it though, that's a whole 'nother story. I'll still support him no matter what he does, but until we know otherwise, I won't stop hoping for him to get this role in this movie.

Russell Crowe said once the main reason he didn't work for two years after his break out American role in LA Confidential was because of the crap people kept sending him.

There are hundreds of thousands of scripts registered each year with the WGA script registration service but only a few hundred films get produced annually.

You do the math and that's possible proof that most scripts are dreck.

So Tom would be short-sighted to wait for something better to come along since there is no guarantee that something better ever will.

This is a huge tentpole and could mean a lot to Tom's career if he shows he can help carry it.

If he decided to pass, I'd understand the reasons why he wouldn't want to but there might not be any right answer for him with this...

There are pros and cons either way...

you act as if you have a clue as to what the script really looks like

He has no clue.

Even if the script only loosely follows the OMAC storyline, as it is rumored it will, then Superman won't be the main character.

It'll be an ensemble action flick, more like X-Men than Batman Begins.

[The Joker_1000]

I don't really think he's bothered about being Superman.

Who? Tom? I think the only thing that bothers him about becoming Superman in any adaptation is him becoming typecast as Superman for the rest of his career which would make it hard for him to find work. Just look at Christopher Reeve if you don't believe me.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Put it this way; mostly everything me and Showtime were told about the script; like very very specific details (characters, villians, story, twist ending, the death,) etc was backed up some time later on AICN and IESB.


Other than saying it followed the OMAC storyline I dont believe IESB or AICN posted any script details.

Is this from the same "source" that told you guys JLA wasnt even on the production schedule and gave you the old details about the MOS script?

[The Joker_1000]

Most likely it is.

[Billy Batson]

JLA News Feed Monday 9/24/2007

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[The Incredible Hulk]

hilarious they used that picture of Welling wear he looks like he just got done cleaning the pool

[Serene]

hilarious they used that picture of Welling wear he looks like he just got done cleaning the pool

And he still looks like the best choice by far. ;)

[The Joker_1000]

If Welling were to be cast as Superman all he'd have to do is get more toned. He's already beefy so all he'd need to do is get more well defined.

[Billy Batson]

And he still looks like the best choice by far. ;)

:woot: :up:

[Justice Bringer]

How do you know that?

In the original OMAC storyline, Superman was a b-story essentially. He goes crazy and the OMACs start killing meta-human/superheroes...

The mysteries in that story are why Clark went crazy and who was controlling the OMACs and stole the brother I satellite that controlled them and tracked the meta humans....

Batman and Wonder Woman have to figure that out... Although I'd love for Superman to be the prime character, if that's the story they're following, he won't be.

In the original story, most of Superman's scenes with the other superheroes were either at Max Lord's Swiss hide-out or battling Wonder Woman or up at the Watch Tower....


It doesnt follow the comic OMAC storyline; if they did..royalty rights would need to be payed to the comic writers. Its essentially a new story and yes Superman features prominently; believe it or not. Hes Batman's right hand man (yes Batman is the JL leader/founder in this). Its different.

[Justice Bringer]

Is this from the same "source" that told you guys JLA wasnt even on the production schedule and gave you the old details about the MOS script?

No. This is the mod from BT. Yep they didnt leak alot of the story (yet) aside from spoiling the ending but out of what they did leak; everything lined up perfectly with what he told me.

[BareKnucklez]

Me for one I am ready to get off this roller coaster of Tom playing Superman. I am so tired of getting my hopes up for two seconds later someone bringing me down. I mean I would love to just hear the truth behind this. Like Tom say I am flattered but never had any intention whatsoever of playing Superman. Or have the studio fess up for screwing Tom out of the role. Me I just may stop watching Smallville over this and at this point have no desire to see JLA. I feel like a cat toy right now. How about a little truth WB give the fans a break and let us in the know. With the invention of Al Gores internet the days of fans just waiting around till a movie hits the theater is over we want to know now the info, and one way or another we will know. So wake up WB and clue us in.


Yea if Tom isn't in JLA I'm also gonna skip on JLA, and will watch whats left of Smallville but won't watch another Superman related movie from the WB because they are just F'in with us now.

Tom Welling is this generations Superman period!
Why are they bent on cheating this generation from watching him take flight in the suit on the big screen? I have heard Tom say he would love to do it if they offered him the role, and they could work out the schedule, and I have seen this so who ever tells me that he doesn't want the role is a liar because I saw those words come out of his mouth, and my ears heard it!


For some reason I have a feeling that the WB will end up screwing up JLA also with a cast that nobody is going to like outside of Ryan as Flash, and people are going to *****, and the backlash is going to be as bad or worse then Singerman Returns.

The best thing that they could do is hire Tom to play Superman and give him a couple of other movie deals for "non Superman" related projects, and then BEG Bale to be in the movie if only for 20mins of screen time.

That wouldn't take long, and for the right price I'm sure it can be worked out.


Just how Tom is this generations Superman Bale is this generations BATMAN, and to have yet another person playing him on the big screen with DARK KNIGHT out the year before will confuse, and upset most.

Even if its the guy from the NOTEBOOK... Well that will just piss guys off more then anything.. lol But seriously the multiple faces playing these characters at the same time is what is watering down these characters, and it's a main part of the reason why these movies aren't really hitting their target audience.

[Justice Bringer]

Does anyone have any suggestions for the role besides Brandon Routh and Tom Welling?

The new actor route is pretty likely.

[RakuMon]

:wow: EW is reporting that Jessica Biel is in talks to play WW. If this pans out (as well as the Ryan Reynolds as Flash rumor) that would be two popular, fan-approved casting choices. Could a Welling as Supes announcement be far behind? :confused:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20058504,00.html

Will Jessica Biel play Wonder Woman?
According to industry sources, Biel is in talks to swing the trusty Lasso of Truth in the upcoming ''Justice League'' movie
JESSICA BIEL
Steve Granitz/WireImage.com
All About
Jessica Biel
By Nicole Sperling

Will Jessica Biel be the next Wonder Woman? Industry sources say that the former 7th Heaven teen star may wield the Lasso of Truth in an upcoming film version of Justice League of America, and Hollywood was buzzing about the potential casting news on Monday. (Biel's reps say that it's way too early to know if a deal will happen; Warner Bros. won't confirm.) The movie, set to be directed by George Miller (Mad Max, Happy Feet), is a live-action adaptation of the popular comic book. It will mark the first time Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman will appear together on the big screen. Biel last starred in Adam Sandler's summer comedy I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry. She is currently shooting the drama Powder Blue with Forest Whitaker.
Posted Sep 24, 2007 | Order Article Reprints

[triplet]

It doesnt follow the comic OMAC storyline; if they did..royalty rights would need to be payed to the comic writers. Its essentially a new story and yes Superman features prominently; believe it or not. Hes Batman's right hand man (yes Batman is the JL leader/founder in this). Its different.

I'm not sure Royalties come into play in this situation. I think whoever you talked to probably meant "rights" not royalties.

All writers involved would get royalties but you get those after the product has been delivered and its generating revenue. Rights are what you sell if you own the story so that a movie company can produce a film based on it...

I think that the comic writers probably wrote the comic books as a "work for hire" and Warner's owns DC, so I don't think the fact its based on a comic storyline would really be a factor in terms of acquiring the rights.

Warner's already owns the story since they own DC who owns the rights....

My entertainment business class was a long, long time ago so maybe Hulk could explain it, he's actually an entertainment lawyer, but I do know that a work for hire is a totally different beast than something you sell rights to like a book.

[Justice Bringer]

It depends.

Like 'New Frontier' (the JL animated film) is based on Darwyn Cooke's stuff and he was paid for it.

But in the cast of the JLA film; it isnt a direct adaption of the OMAC story. It couldnt be anyway; theres no way you could do Project OMAC story from IC in less than 2 hours.

[Justice Bringer]

:wow: EW is reporting that Jessica Biel is in talks to play WW. If this pans out (as well as the Ryan Reynolds as Flash rumor) that would be two popular, fan-approved casting choices.

Jessica Biel was a fan-approved casting choice? :dry:

Since when..

On here and BT, shes at the bottom of the lists. She's crap.

[RakuMon]

I'm not sure Royalties come into play in this situation.

I think that the comic writers probably wrote the comic books as a "work for hire" and Warner's owns DC, so I don't think the fact its based on a comic storyline would really be a factor in costs.

It's different than if you need to buy rights for a novel.

My entertainment business class was a long, long time ago so maybe Hulk could explain it, he's actually an entertainment lawyer, but I do know that a work for hire is a totally different beast than something you sell rights to like a book.

So I'm not sure royalties figure into anything...

You are correct, trip. DC owns everything, so there are no royalties involved. The only creators to receive credit are the original creators of the characters (i.e., bob kane, siegel & shuster). But since JB's "in the industry", I thought he'd know that.

[RakuMon]

It depends.

Like 'New Frontier' (the JL animated film) is based on Darwyn Cooke's stuff and he was paid for it.

But in the cast of the JLA film; it isnt a direct adaption of the OMAC story. It couldnt be anyway; theres no way you could do Project OMAC story from IC in less than 2 hours.

dude, darwyn cooke's only a consultant on the film. and the only reason wb brought him on was because they wanted the movie to retain his signature art style. it's got nothing to do with intellectual property or royalties.

[Justice Bringer]

I remember Dwayne McDuffie talking about this issue on the Toonzone boards when fans were asking for more episodes like "For the Man who has Everything" adapted directly from the comics. Just going by that.

[triplet]

dude, darwyn cooke's only a consultant on the film. and the only reason wb brought him on was because they wanted the movie to retain his signature art style. it's got nothing to do with intellectual property or royalties.

Actually, I edited that post after you quoted it...

I don't know if you want to change your response.

[ZIPBAGS]

Jessica Biel was a fan-approved casting choice? :dry:

Since when..

On here and BT, shes at the bottom of the lists. She's crap.

Well she was...But, for Hawkgirl. :cwink:

[Justice Bringer]

I must have missed this;

I would do a lot to ease the tension whenever he posts if he would apologize, true.

I would do it wholeheartedly but would it honestly mean anything or have any value? Something tells me it wouldnt be taken seriously regardless..so I gave up on that idea.

[Justice Bringer]

Well she was...But, for Hawkgirl. :cwink:

She'd be right for a Hawkgirl character.

Hawkgirl's rough and heartless delivery works into her limited harsh acting range.

Plus Hawkgirl wears a mask and that would help.

[RakuMon]

Actually, I edited that post after you quoted it...

I don't know if you want to change your response.

no need. the gist remains, and that is darwyn cooke's involvement was just an aesthetic decision by warner bros. they could have easily adapted it into an animated movie without getting his approval.

that was my earlier point (and yours as well): that any storylines written are the property of dc comics. and as long as dc gives them the okay, warners can make any story into a movie, without the approval of that story's writers or artists.

[RakuMon]

It's looking more likely that Biel is WW. Variety is also reporting the potential casting: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972674.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

Jessica Biel in talks for 'Justice'
Actress may take on Wonder Woman role
By TATIANA SIEGEL
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Jessica Biel is in talks to lasso up as Wonder Woman in Warner Bros.' all-star superhero film "Justice League of America."

Potential deal marks the first piece of casting to emerge from the DC Comics-based ensemble project, which is expected to feature Superman, Batman, the Flash and Aquaman in addition to Wonder Woman.

George Miller boarded the bigscreen adaptation last week as helmer.

Biel is filming the indie drama "Powder Blue," which wraps in October, opposite Forest Whitaker. She will then segue to "A Woman of No Importance," based on the play by Oscar Wilde. That leaves room on the actress' schedule for "Wonder Woman," which Warner is fast-tracking as a project before any potential strikes. However, the film's likelihood hinges on the studio's ability to assemble a cast of superheroes in a small window of time. Christian Bale and Brandon Routh -- Warner's reigning Batman and Superman, respectively -- are not expected to join the production.

The studio declined comment, saying that it prefers to announce an entire cast rather than piecemeal deals.

"Justice League," which is penned by Kieran and Michele Mulroney, could help ramp up a Wonder Woman spinoff, which has long been in development at the studio, with Joel Silver producing.

Biel's recent credits include "I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry" and "The Illusionist."

[Justice Bringer]

I guarantee Biel will be another miscast female that people will ***** about for years and years.

*sigh*

This sucks.

[Prison Mike]

Jessica Biel was a fan-approved casting choice? :dry:

Since when..

On here and BT, shes at the bottom of the lists. She's crap.

apparently not...

[Justice Bringer]

Apparently so. WB is just oblivious to the actual fan approved casting choices for WW.

Plus theyre in such a rush job to cast this thing; it explains why we got such a lazy and mediocre choice off the bat.

[Prison Mike]

no matter what actress they choose, there will always be people who won't like it. Plus two forums isn't the general population. The only thing that matters is the ticket sales and Biel is eye candy, which should get the non-comic book loving guys in the theater.

[TWistim]

It's looking more likely that Biel is WW. Variety is also reporting the potential casting: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972674.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

The studio declined comment, saying that it prefers to announce an entire cast rather than piecemeal deals.

I find this news encouraging.

This makes sense to me and could also mean that a deal with Tom could have already been made. We just might get our Superman after all! :yay:

[bootspark]

update from robert :)

"I am hearing conflicting stories on Welling, meeting a few peeps tomorrow, looking to confirm a couple things."

[Justice Bringer]

no matter what actress they choose, there will always be people who won't like it. Plus two forums isn't the general population. The only thing that matters is the ticket sales and Biel is eye candy, which should get the non-comic book loving guys in the theater.

Any actress in that costume with the right look is eye candy.

I dont think she resembles Diana Prince in the slightest and her acting is horrid.

A weak choice to carry a WW spinoff franchaise too.

[Justice Bringer]

update from robert :)

"I am hearing conflicting stories on Welling, meeting a few peeps tomorrow, looking to confirm a couple things."

Yeah.

The question asked to him was in regards to what went wrong with Welling's contract in regards to this.

He said hes looking into the conflicting stories as to why things fell through with Welling.

I would have been content with the Welling casting if it ever happened but this Biel thing is horrible.

[bootspark]

I guess the rumor of Miller wanting an older cast is false if WB is in talks with Biel. If Biel and Reynolds are cast and not Welling, Im going to be p***ed.

[Justice Bringer]

Hey. I told you that stuff was false.

If Welling isnt selected, can you murder the two fools at WB behind this project for me?

Well...its mainly just one A-hole; though I'm not naming names yet.

[ariellem]

http://i2.tinypic.com/54obeaa.jpg

Look who's getting ready for his big screen spin off into JLA! :woot:

Are you referring to his "Green Arrow" sweatshirt, his "Flash" shorts, his "Cyborg" sneakers, or his "Aquaman" bare legs?

Even on a cute guy, those shorts aren't particularly cute. They do look comfy, though.

[KalKai]

update from robert :)

"I am hearing conflicting stories on Welling, meeting a few peeps tomorrow, looking to confirm a couple things."

So much for Welling being "completely out of the running" like he said a week ago lol.

Score another 1 for countingdown.

[triplet]

I must have missed this;


It would do a lot to ease the tension whenever he posts if he would apologize, true.


I would do it wholeheartedly but would it honestly mean anything or have any value? Something tells me it wouldnt be taken seriously regardless..so I gave up on that idea.

You offering to apologize for what you did?

I'm not sure you realize how much what you did hurt me and the others you had targeted...

I think it would take a hugely expansive and obviously remorseful apology for it to come close to having anyone take it seriously.

To be honest, I'm not sure you have the humility required but I appreciate you've at least thought about it, although thinking about it probably isn't going to be enough...

But believe me, it would make a difference if you did apologize. Part of the bitterness that lingers is because you had never apparently thought to apologize, much less admit you were wrong.

If you are truly regretful and you clear the air on that point, I think it would be a huge first step.

[Serene]

The studio declined comment, saying that it prefers to announce an entire cast rather than piecemeal deals.

Gaaah. Just drag it out as long as possible. *sigh*

I can live with Biel as WW. Not my first choice, but I can live with it.

[RakuMon]

It looks like the plot of JLA is the OMAC story after all (with a little bit of Tower of Babel thrown in for good measure):

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=12840341&postcount=1

[Kalleo]

I still can not believe that we have no clear signs of Tom being cast or not being cast as Superman in the JLA movie. For WB to get any cash out of me to see this movie I am going to need a detailed explanation if Tom is not cast as to why they did not cast him. I am so mad that a studio in this day and age could possibly think they can get away with not having fanboy approval for a Superhero movie. The internet changed everything when information spreads at the speed of light around the world this from WB is almost inexcusable.

[musclesforsupes]

Morning,


Looks like we still have a shot! According to IESB.net!


Weren't you checking on the Routh rumor for JLA and what happened to the Welling negotiations? Were there really negotiations or were you given a dead end by a source?

Still checking on Routh, I am hearing conflicting stories on Welling, meeting a few peeps tomorrow, looking to confirm a couple things.

[musclesforsupes]

Maybe the studio is trying to throw off people

[RakuMon]

You know if those plot rumors pan out, there's a high probability that part of the plot will include a Superman-gone-rogue. Can you imagine Tom doing that? He's had plenty of experience (see: "Red," "Exile/Phoenix," "Transference," "Crusade" and "Bizarro."

[Kalleo]

You know if those plot rumors pan out, there's a high probability that part of the plot will include a Superman-gone-rogue. Can you imagine Tom doing that? He's had plenty of experience (see: "Red," "Exile/Phoenix," "Transference," "Crusade" and "Bizarro."

All the more reason to cast a guy that has already proven he can go rogue and believable bad guy at that. But damn if the studios are so damn blind they won be able to see it.

[Superman_]

Morning,


Looks like we still have a shot! According to IESB.net!


Weren't you checking on the Routh rumor for JLA and what happened to the Welling negotiations? Were there really negotiations or were you given a dead end by a source?

Still checking on Routh, I am hearing conflicting stories on Welling, meeting a few peeps tomorrow, looking to confirm a couple things.He is not talking about that Welling is still in it he is talking about what happened and why it fell apart.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm not sure Royalties come into play in this situation. I think whoever you talked to probably meant "rights" not royalties.

All writers involved would get royalties but you get those after the product has been delivered and its generating revenue. Rights are what you sell if you own the story so that a movie company can produce a film based on it...

I think that the comic writers probably wrote the comic books as a "work for hire" and Warner's owns DC, so I don't think the fact its based on a comic storyline would really be a factor in terms of acquiring the rights.

Warner's already owns the story since they own DC who owns the rights....

My entertainment business class was a long, long time ago so maybe Hulk could explain it, he's actually an entertainment lawyer, but I do know that a work for hire is a totally different beast than something you sell rights to like a book.

Most of what you said sounds about right, the only other scenario I could see would be that if you had a writer that was big enough name like a Jeph Loeb, Frank Miller, Geoff Johns, etc. He might have negotiated in his contract certain ancillaries if his work was ever used as the basis for some other kind of TV or movie production. I dont know who wrote the OMAC storyline off the top of my head.

[Superman_]

Most of what you said sounds about right, the only other scenario I could see would be that if you had a writer that was big enough name like a Jeph Loeb, Frank Miller, Geoff Johns, etc. He might have negotiated in his contract certain ancillaries if his work was ever used as the basis for some other kind of TV or movie production. I dont know who wrote the OMAC storyline off the top of my head. Greg Rucka (the only man fit to write Superman IMO)

[Superman_]

But the story line for this movie is more for a sequel then a start off movie. IMO they should have done the White Martians arc instead of this because its going to be a while before we get solo films from the rest of the JL.

[Kalleo]

How the hell is Ryan going to be cast as the Flash the youngest member of the JLA? I mean Jessica is way younger looking than Ryan and Tom. This is just shaping up to be rediculous. I am serious I just want off the roller coater enough already WB give us out cast choices.

How great would that be for WB to go here are several choices for each character now vote and you decide who is who.

[triplet]

It looks like the plot of JLA is the OMAC story after all (with a little bit of Tower of Babel thrown in for good measure):

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=12840341&postcount=1

Why that guy is being coy about the villain or the big twist at the end, I have no idea.... It sounds almost exactly like the OMAC story I read.

Anyone who'd read those would know who the villain is, who's going to go bad and what the big plot twist is at the end.

Oh, I hope more than ever that Tom gets it.

I loved that TPB, it's one of my favorites that I bought this past summer and he'd be totally awesome as Superman in that story.

:D :up:

[musclesforsupes]

Well Triplet

Robert seems like he is getting conflicting reports about welling, so there could be a shot still. I know superman said that was about why he didnt get the role, however over at IESB robert doesnt state that in the forums, he just says "conflicting" reports that means to me he still has a shot.


Just checked the countingdown.com forums and that insider hasnt posted anything new.

I am still holding out hope that the WB MIGHT!Finally listen to the fans!

[Migu-EL]

What is OMAC?:huh:

[Kalleo]

What is OMAC well google it and read up at Wikipeadia and you'll be in the know. That's what I had to do. Being in the military its hard to keep current on all the stories out there.

[Dark_Lord]

MIGHT!Finally listen to the fans!

While there are Superman fans that want Welling for Superman in JL, there are also fans that want Routh and fans that dont want a JL film but a SR sequel. I'm just saying.

Personally, I like both SR and Smallville. Both Routh and Welling. And since WB is moving ahead with JL and since from what we heared/read, Bale and Routh wont be in JL then I really hope its Welling...but again...not everyone wants Welling so they wouldnt be pleasing all fans.

[Kalleo]

While there are Superman fans that want Welling for Superman in JL, there are also fans that want Routh and fans that dont want a JL film but a SR sequel. I'm just saying.

Personally, I like both SR and Smallville. Both Routh and Welling. And since WB is moving ahead with JL and since from what we heared/read, Bale and Routh wont be in JL then I really hope its Welling...but again...not everyone wants Welling so they wouldnt be pleasing all fans.


But they just may please most of the fans :woot: if Tom is picked as Superman.

[Serene]

It's too hard, even impossible, to please all the fans.

So they should just concentrate on pleasing ME. And I want Tom as Superman.

There, now wasn't that easy?

:D

[triplet]

What is OMAC?:huh:

I don't remember what the anagram stands for, but they're like robot soldiers but with a twist....

They are really human beings infected with a nanotech "virus" that takes over their bodies and turns them into the OMACS. They don't look at all human so it's a huge surprise.

In the OMAC TPB, Superman didn't realize they were human inside until he injured one and her face plate was cracked open and he could see the teen girl inside the armor.

At the end of the book, the JL fights them but takes care not to kill them. There's a huge EMP that disables them and flash runs around catching them all as they fall from the sky....

I bet that's the twist they're talking about....

[The Incredible Hulk]

What is OMAC?:huh:

Observational Meta-human Activity Construct


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_OMAC_Project

[triplet]

It's too hard, even impossible, to please all the fans.

So they should just concentrate on pleasing ME. And I want Tom as Superman.

There, now wasn't that easy?

:D

LOL!

Quoted for truth!

:D

[TWistim]

It's too hard, even impossible, to please all the fans.

So they should just concentrate on pleasing ME. And I want Tom as Superman.

There, now wasn't that easy?

:D


LMAO! Best post of this thread!!! :woot:

[Dark_Lord]

It's too hard, even impossible, to please all the fans.

So they should just concentrate on pleasing ME. And I want Tom as Superman.

There, now wasn't that easy?

:D

LOL!

Well, here's hoping Welling gets the part...:super:

[Migu-EL]

I don't remember what the anagram stands for, but they're like robot soldiers but with a twist....

They are really human beings infected with a nanotech "virus" that takes over their bodies and turns them into the OMACS. They don't look at all human so it's a huge surprise.

In the OMAC TPB, Superman didn't realize they were human inside until he injured one and her face plate was cracked open and he could see the teen girl inside the armor.

At the end of the book, the JL fights them but takes care not to kill them. There's a huge EMP that disables them and flash runs around catching them all as they fall from the sky....

I bet that's the twist they're talking about....

Observational Meta-human Activity Construct


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_OMAC_Project


Thanks guys.:up:

[avidreader]

It's too hard, even impossible, to please all the fans.

So they should just concentrate on pleasing ME. And I want Tom as Superman.

There, now wasn't that easy?

:D

Ah gosh! You crack me up. :woot:


I cant wait 'til November. :cwink:

[Migu-EL]

Ah gosh! You crack me up. :woot:


I cant wait 'til November. :cwink:


What's in November?:huh:

[avidreader]

What's in November?:huh:

That's private. :oldrazz:

[musclesforsupes]

OKAY!!!!

DONT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE OR NOT, however I was just reading in my local newspaper here in Georgia, and in the "life" section they talk about how welling is in discussion for the role! Now granted its a local newspaper, but that to me shows me that no one has a clear answer as to what is going on with casting.

[Billy Batson]

While there are Superman fans that want Welling for Superman in JL, there are also fans that want Routh and fans that dont want a JL film but a SR sequel. I'm just saying.

Personally, I like both SR and Smallville. Both Routh and Welling. And since WB is moving ahead with JL and since from what we heared/read, Bale and Routh wont be in JL then I really hope its Welling...but again...not everyone wants Welling so they wouldnt be pleasing all fans.

Half of the fans received their superman for Xmas.
Now it time for the other fans too receive their SUPERMAN for Xmas. :cwink:
:oPersonally I say SCREW the fans. :cwink:
It's all about the money baby, Tom Welling + Super suit = "Cha-Ching"
"MAKE IT RAIN" for the WB Tom, "make it RAIN". I smell MONEY! :supes:

[musclesforsupes]

HOLY CRAP ITS COMING OUT OF THE WOODWORK NOW.


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rilk123 (User)

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Re:Justice league and man of steel updates 2007/09/25 17:58
As far as anyone knows Welling is still going to be Superman the hold up is the producers at Smallville Tom is under contract Until Season 8 and that would not happen because of JLA and because they want Tom to sign A long term deal which includes MOS and 2 other films. So right now Its The Producers at Smallville and Money.But if they cant reach a deal with Tom they will go with a older actor and probably be not top tier actor but just below

[musclesforsupes]

More!!!

rilk123 (User)

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Re:Justice league and man of steel updates 2007/09/25 18:41
I know this because I know 2 people who deal with Tom Welling directly and where witness to the events that have happen.