Tom Welling as Superman

[AgentPat]

Confuse the issue my ASS. :mad:Exactly! There's NOTHING confusing about a Hollywood film studio's desire to make money. There is however something VERY confusing about a comic book publisher telling them who they can and can't cast in order to meet that goal. I'd understand if Warners (or George Miller) wanted to cast Danny DeVito as Superman. Somebody would have to step in and say, um... hold on a sec. But this is quite different.

I'm not sure how casting multiple actors for the same role at the same time is less confusing than using the same actor to depict two different stages in that character's life, but I don't speak absurd.

Noveck must not watch Smallville because it sounds like he has no clue what it's about. Now I could be wrong, but I THINK it's about this guy named Clark Kent before he becomes Superman. Clark doesn't wear glasses (yet), doesn't wear a cape and boots (yet) and doesn't even fly (yet.) "Superman" doesn't exist in his world. Superman is in fact, a whole different characterization, and one that's just starting to scratch the surface on the show. I'd expect the JL Superman to act a little different than Smallville's version, regardless of the actor cast in the role. So even on that issue, Noveck sounds extremely confused.

Finally, as to what's better for the actors, let them worry about that, mkay? Well-stuffed bank accounts have a way of making type-casting fears fade away like a fart in the wind.

I'll now go post this over on Sanchez's board, because I think Warners is probably reading there. Not that it'll help of course, but it's nice to be heard and publicly call Noveck a jackass. :)

[Tomwelling4sups]

I left a comment on the interview's page.

[KalKai]

The good news in the interview is that Noveck implies that the Batman Begins and Superman Returns franchaises will run alongside JLA seperately. It was good Bale and Routh didnt get pulled into this.

I also liked the positivity he expressed about Bryan Singer and the film. We'll still get the sequels. :)

That would be another reason not to trust his words.. LOL.

[DvilDog]

When 3 or more years from now whatever. I need a hair ruffle trip where ya be

[Thunder Emperor]

Exactly! There's NOTHING confusing about a Hollywood film studio's desire to make money. There is however something VERY confusing about a comic book publisher telling them who they can and can't cast in order to meet that goal. I'd understand if Warners (or George Miller) wanted to cast Danny DeVito as Superman. Somebody would have to step in and say, um... hold on a sec. But this is quite different.

I'm not sure how casting multiple actors for the same role at the same time is less confusing than using the same actor to depict two different stages in that character's life, but I don't speak absurd.

Noveck must not watch Smallville because it sounds like he has no clue what it's about. Now I could be wrong, but I THINK it's about this guy named Clark Kent before he becomes Superman. Clark doesn't wear glasses (yet), doesn't wear a cape and boots (yet) and doesn't even fly (yet.) "Superman" doesn't exist in his world. Superman is in fact, a whole different characterization, and one that's just starting to scratch the surface on the show. I'd expect the JL Superman to act a little different than Smallville's version, regardless of the actor cast in the role. So even on that issue, Noveck sounds extremely confused.

Finally, as to what's better for the actors, let them worry about that, mkay? Well-stuffed bank accounts have a way of making type-casting fears fade away like a fart in the wind.

I'll now go post this over on Sanchez's board, because I think Warners is probably reading there. Not that it'll help of course, but it's nice to be heard and publicly call Noveck a jackass. :)

Please do pat, but what I find interesting, is that in this new casting round. Common is the odd one out.

For one he is older, also he also the only black actor named in this current round of auditions.

I see no other black actors mentioned, especially in the age range and cast requirements these kids have.

**** WB, I was going to audition for this rubbish. But my agency was told auditions were done 2 weeks ago.

Ask Robert about the fact that no other lack actors were mentioned other than common who is older than all of them combined

[Tomwelling4sups]

Exactly! There's NOTHING confusing about a Hollywood film studio's desire to make money. There is however something VERY confusing about a comic book publisher telling them who they can and can't cast in order to meet that goal. I'd understand if Warners (or George Miller) wanted to cast Danny DeVito as Superman. Somebody would have to step in and say, um... hold on a sec. But this is quite different.

I'm not sure how casting multiple actors for the same role at the same time is less confusing than using the same actor to depict two different stages in that character's life, but I don't speak absurd.

Noveck must not watch Smallville because it sounds like he has no clue what it's about. Now I could be wrong, but I THINK it's about this guy named Clark Kent before he becomes Superman. Clark doesn't wear glasses (yet), doesn't wear a cape and boots (yet) and doesn't even fly (yet.) "Superman" doesn't exist in his world. Superman is in fact, a whole different characterization, and one that's just starting to scratch the surface on the show. I'd expect the JL Superman to act a little different than Smallville's version, regardless of the actor cast in the role. So even on that issue, Noveck sounds extremely confused.

Finally, as to what's better for the actors, let them worry about that, mkay? Well-stuffed bank accounts have a way of making type-casting fears fade away like a fart in the wind.

I'll now go post this over on Sanchez's board, because I think Warners is probably reading there. Not that it'll help of course, but it's nice to be heard and publicly call Noveck a jackass. :)

I left a comment on the interview's page, I suggest you do the same for good measure. The suits are bound to be reading one of the two.

[Serene]

That would be another reason not to trust his words.. LOL.

LOL!

:heart: KalK.

[Lighthouse]

So the huge revelation in the interview was that Tom wouldn't be Superman, which was already said by Rob before? Is this the big news they were talking about, because I was expecting something else. After Rob and Emiljayne said they got some huge news and Rob took his story down, I thought something big was going to be revealed.

[triplet]

I need a hair ruffle trip where ya be

I'm off doing something else, but here ya go...

*affectionately ruffles dvil's hair*

:(

I'm sad, they're so stupid and they don't see it...

There's letting the director have his vision and then there's making sure he has a sane one before you give him carte blanche.

:mad:

Bastards, the lot of them.

"Pox on both your houses!"

(Miller's and WB's)

I'm just disgusted.

[Showtime]

This whole situation makes me sick.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Look at it this way. This will unite Routh & Welling & Bale fans & everyone will hate on the new guys. I almost feel sorry for them & we do not even know who they are :o We need a name for our new group

[Tomwelling4sups]

So the huge revelation in the interview was that Tom wouldn't be Superman, which was already said by Rob before? Is this the big news they were talking about, because I was expecting something else. After Rob and Emiljayne said they got some huge news and Rob took his story down, I thought something big was going to be revealed.

perhaps posting that Tom won't be in it was stealing VFK's thunder and they were asked to take it down.

[Tomwelling4sups]

Look at it this way. This will unite Routh & Welling & Bale fans & everyone will hate on the new guys. I almost feel sorry for them & we do not even know who they are :o We need a name for our new group

Wellrouthalites! :D

[AgentPat]

That would be another reason not to trust his words.. LOL.Yup. Bringing back Justice. And Raising Caine. Or is that Raising Cane? Citizen Kane? Ah hell. One of the above.

Round... 264. Ding ding. :whatever:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

So now we will have 4 freaking 4 Supermen running around

Dean Cain
Brandon Routh
Tom Welling
(Mystery Guy)

I count Dean Cain because wether or not he was universally liked as Superman he was still Superman

[Showtime]

Did Lois and Clark come back on the air?

[Tomwelling4sups]

Well Dean can be happy now, someone is about to take his title of "universally most disliked Superman" :D

[TWistim]

Who knows what to believe anymore. It all sounds like spin and bull**** to me! Something about this whole thing doesn't add up. I feel abused! :csad:

[KalKai]

There is no Superman running around currently, but there's only 1 Clark Kent who would kick all their ass's any day of the week.

[ariellem]

I cant picture any of those guys as a Superman type but

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Lighthouse27/Cortonna.jpg

Batman

OK, he looks like he's in his mid-20s.


http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Lighthouse27/Cross.jpg

The Flash

Looks like he's in his teens - MAYBE 21. He sure does look like the Ashmores!



http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Lighthouse27/thel.jpg

Aquaman

My 3rd-grader looks older than this.


http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Lighthouse27/scottporter1.png

Green Lantern going by the fact he wants to play him on Smallville

OK, he looks like he's in his mid-20s.



http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Lighthouse27/Winstead.jpg

Wonder Woman

Is she 14? 15?


http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Lighthouse27/kelly.jpg

Another Woman Woman possibility

Looks like she's in her late teens, maybe 20-21. Maybe. Actually, she looks like one of Lex's wives' younger sisters.

I sure hope these folks are mostly in flashbacks! Yikes. What's next, "JLA: the Rugrats Years"?

[Tomwelling4sups]

There is no Superman running around currently, but there's only 1 Clark Kent who would kick all their ass's any day of the week.

This one :up:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7186/775x484karaclarkwall1bftt3.jpg

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7831/270cnbymreeu0.jpg

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7530/40ni0.jpg

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[OobeDoobBenubi]

Did Lois and Clark come back on the air?

No but it did air & I dont see why he cant even be considered a Superman especially since Tom Welling is & he has not even flown or wore the suit yet. Once a Superman always a Superman. Dean Cain has the same amount of rights as Tom Welling does to be listed as Superman.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Well Dean can be happy now, someone is about to take his title of "universally most disliked Superman" :D

He should throw a BBQ :up:

[ariellem]

I have sent two of my best men to go to Miller's office and find out whats up...If he doesn't answer them. They will kick the crap out of him.
http://www.devleermuis.be/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Large-Jay-and-silent-bob.jpg
:D ;)


Silent Bob & the JLA:

Silent Bob as Green Lantern, Superman, & Batman
Jay as Aquaman, Flash, and Wonder Woman

[Tomwelling4sups]

He should throw a BBQ :up:

Dean: Yo Tom, loved shooting with you earlier.

Tom: Yeah, I had fun man.

Dean: You know, the scene where we were fighting reminded me of when I was on L&C as Superman and we . . .

Tom: Don't tell me, they might do it on the show and I want my performance to be as authentic as possible.

Dean: Oh hey, its cool. Oh look, Brandon's here.

Tom: I see he brought the new kid with him.

Dean: Yeah, poor kid's gonna get roasted more than our BBQ.

Tom: Totally.

[ariellem]

Has Wonder Woman ever been depicted as a black character?

Not that I know of, but I wouldn't have a problem with it. There are plenty of gorgeous, Amazonian black women out there.

[Tomwelling4sups]

Personally, I'd rather they introduce Vixen :up:

[Pickle-El]

There is no Superman running around currently, but there's only 1 Clark Kent who would kick all their ass's any day of the week.

:rolleyes:

Your insecurity bleeds through the screen with each one of your posts such as the above....you know that right? The backhanded remarks make you look petty, and childish. Just throwing that out there, you might or might not disagree.

Oh, I still find it absolutely engaging how much everyone is still hanging on every word from Sanchez and the comingsoon gal. They can't clean their hands of this mess fast enough. The only good 'news' from that latest rumor was the part where they said the WB will continue the current franchises. That part gets a :up:, because I personally want to believe it. :o

I hope everyone is enjoying this season of Tom Welling as Clark Smallville! Looks like there might still be hope for another season to add this one, at least there's some good for fans of his in all this mess.

[KalKai]

:rolleyes:

Your insecurity bleeds through the screen with each one of your posts such as the above....you know that right? The backhanded remarks make you look petty, and childish. Just throwing that out there, you might or might not disagree.

Oh, I still find it absolutely engaging how much everyone is still hanging on every word from Sanchez and the comingsoon gal. They can't clean their hands of this mess fast enough. The only good 'news' from that latest rumor was the part where they said the WB will continue the current franchises. That part gets a :up:, because I personally want to believe it. :o

I hope everyone is enjoying this season of Tom Welling as Clark Smallville! Looks like there might still be hope for another season to add this one, at least there's some good for fans of his in all this mess.

Stating the truth equals to being insecure? lol.

I don't think you should be the 1 saying that Pickle, I'm definitely not taking any advices from you.

[Showtime]

It's a sad day to be a fan of Superman, and an even sadder day to be a fan of DC Characters in general.

[Tomwelling4sups]

:rolleyes:

Your insecurity bleeds through the screen with each one of your posts such as the above....you know that right? The backhanded remarks make you look petty, and childish. Just throwing that out there, you might or might not disagree.

Oh, I still find it absolutely engaging how much everyone is still hanging on every word from Sanchez and the comingsoon gal. They can't clean their hands of this mess fast enough. The only good 'news' from that latest rumor was the part where they said the WB will continue the current franchises. That part gets a :up:, because I personally want to believe it. :o
Sounds rather hypocritical, considering you tease about those who cling to Welling hopes, while you cling to your hope of a SR sequel. :rolleyes:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

It's a sad day to be a fan of Superman, and an even sadder day to be a fan of DC Characters in general.

Indeed it almost makes me want to see the WB loose the Superman case.

[Tomwelling4sups]

It's a sad day to be a fan of Superman, and an even sadder day to be a fan of DC Characters in general.

BIG AMEN to that

[Lighthouse]

The movie doesn't look good so far, but I'm not going to judge it as horrible until I start seeing more developments. We still have no official statements from WB, and there are still some promising aspects of whose running the movie. I think its far too early to call it a complete disaster.

[Showtime]

Indeed it almost makes me want to see the WB loose the Superman case.

http://www.groundzerocomics.com/images/StanLeeSuperman.jpg

[Pickle-El]

Sounds rather hypocritical, considering you tease about those who cling to Welling hopes, while you cling to your hope of a SR sequel. :rolleyes:

And that's the irony of my post....congratulations for catching that. Plus, who's teasing? I'm just stating what I believe to be true. Looks at what it's done on this board. People are pissed, and have good reason.

If Welling as Supes doesn't come to pass, at least the ratings this season seem to be strong enough to garner another season. There could be a bright side to all this after all for Welling fans....

[Zing79]

Who works at that company? Seriously?
What person raises there hand upon seeing photo's of ANY of these actors up for the big three and thinks an audience will buy them in the roles?

No audience -- NONE -- not even the vaunted teens they seek to bring into theaters are going to buy any of those listed actors as Superman or Batman.

When Routh was cast I wasn't buying it, but at least that came from the vantage point of thinking Welling was a much better choice. I can however admit that with a better suit and major workouts Routh could win me over. But none of the aforementioned people even come close to inspiring that feeling.

Think about that --they don't even come close to the last man I didn't think could pull it off.

I didn't see SR in theaters, or on DVD, and won't see on TV. I bootlegged it in ****ty CAM form, and felt cheated even then.

I almost wish I could teach people how easy it is to download these movies off the net (without going to jail for teaching them). Because god knows most of the people saying they hate this, will still buy tickets just to see how much of a train wreck it is.

I'd rather they witness the wreck without giving WB even one cent of their money.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

At least Star Trek has its crap together.

[Mike_D202]

I commented on that interview as well. This is gonna be a disaster. The nipples have returned.

At least we can still hope for a made-for-tv-superman-movie with Welling and the rest of the cast.

[Pickle-El]

Stating the truth equals to being insecure? lol.

I don't think you should be the 1 saying that Pickle, I'm definitely not taking any advices from you.

Whatever....I'm not the bitter one here just blabbering because I have nothing to say or add besides a, 'my dad can beat up your dad', to the convo...especially when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

LOL LOL!!!

[Migu-EL]

This is like one big cruel joke.:cmad:

[Tomwelling4sups]

Who works at that company? Seriously?
What person raises there hand upon seeing photo's of ANY of these actors up for the big three and thinks an audience will buy them in the roles?

No audience -- NONE -- not even the vaunted teens they seek to bring into theaters are going to buy any of those listed actors as Superman or Batman.

When Routh was cast I wasn't buying it, but at least that came from the vantage point of thinking Welling was a much better choice. I can however admit that with a better suit and major workouts Routh could win me over. But none of the aforementioned people even come close to inspiring that feeling.

Think about that --they don't even come close to the last man I didn't think could pull it off.

I didn't see SR in theaters, or on DVD, and won't see on TV. I bootlegged it in ****ty CAM form, and felt cheated even then.

I almost wish I could teach people how easy it is to download these movies off the net (without going to jail for teaching them). Because god knows most of the people saying they hate this, will still buy tickets just to see how much of a train wreck it is.

I'd rather they witness the wreck without giving WB even one a cent of their money.

I'm for having all of us sign a petition/pact to not see it in the big theaters and wait for a cheap ass $1 showing or something. :up:

[Tomwelling4sups]

At least Star Trek has its crap together.

Scotty aside . . . .

[Pickle-El]

I commented on that interview as well. This is gonna be a disaster. The nipples have returned.

At least we can still hope for a made-for-tv-superman-movie with Welling and the rest of the cast.

I just hope that Hollywood Reporter had a lot of that casting stuff wrong....You give the kids the keys to a 250 million dollar car?

THAT is insane if it's true.

[Mike_D202]

I liked the comment someone said earlier, calling it "Juvenile Leauge of America".

You know what? I wouldnt be suprised if they went politicially correct with the film and called it "Justice League Association" and leave out "America".

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Scotty aside . . . .

Touche

I wanted the Stargate Atlantis guy

[Zing79]

Scotty aside . . . .
Apparently you haven't seen Hot Fuzz or Shaun of the Dead. This is perfect casting. I can promise you he will not disappoint you.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Star Trek is not a comedy :huh:

[Tomwelling4sups]

Apparently you haven't seen Hot Fuzz

. . . . . wow

[TWistim]

Who works at that company? Seriously?
What person raises there hand upon seeing photo's of ANY of these actors up for the big three and thinks an audience will buy them in the roles?

I almost wish I could teach people how easy it is to download these movies off the net (without going to jail for teaching them). Because god knows most of the people saying they hate this, will still buy tickets just to see how much of a train wreck it is.

I'd rather they witness the wreck without giving WB even one cent of their money.

Well, I for one will not see this movie. There's a principle at stake here. DC and WB are blatantly disregarding what the fans have been very vocal about wanting. They may not care about what I want but they do care about my $8 and they just lost it. :ninja:

[Showtime]

I liked the comment someone said earlier, calling it "Juvenile Leauge of America".

You know what? I wouldnt be suprised if they went politicially correct with the film and called it "Justice League Association" and leave out "America".

Justice League

[KalKai]

Whatever....I'm not the bitter one here just blabbering because I have nothing to say or add besides a, 'my dad can beat up your dad', to the convo...especially when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

LOL LOL!!!

It appears to me that you have nothing else to say. You believe what you want to believe, I, on the other hand, will do the same thing.

I'm not bitter, & I'm not pissed, this doesn't change anything for me. It's not about clinging to hope either, it's about considering the possibility, if it happens, that's good, if it doesn't, it's no big deal. We were never promised anything.

We're not the ones clinging to hope here, that would be the other side of the fence.

Regardless of the outcome, we'll always be on the bright side here.. oh, and stay at Bluetights, LOL LOL!

[KBX]

Ok here I go....

... I will continue to support this film through thick and thin no matter what...

Ryan Reynolds not being in this movie, is the worst news I heard today. Not that they are casting teenagers. Not Welling being cast. Not Routh being cast. For an actor to actually lobbied, and pretty much told the WB he wants to play the Flash, with the WB saying "no", I am at lost for words.

Unlike the most of you, Welling wasn't a crucial point for me. I just wanted someone that I can predict that can play a role. I have yet to see someone.

Until the official cast is announced, I will not panic, I will not sweat, I will not worry.

JLA for 2009

[Lighthouse]

Star Trek is not a comedy :huh:

Whats your point? You think Pegg can't do drama? Besides, Scotty was one of the most humorous characters in the original series.

[Tomwelling4sups]

Pegg looks nothing like scotty

[Zing79]

The thing that REALLY gets me about all this is the prevailing opinion that the hardcore audience and the teen/general audience are not one and the same. That somehow they're mutually exclusive.

Long gone are they days where the (few) geeks live in some dark recess and the (vast) cool kids live in the sunshine. Thanks to the web they live breathe and read the same info that is (wait for it) provided BY the hardcore.

In the last five years the hardcore have brought down some of the biggest franchises; with the biggest names, by simply spreading bad word of mouth before a film even arrived in theaters.

And this is to say nothing of the fact that people are VASTLY under-estimating how large the hardcore fan base really is. 10+ years ago the hardcore weren't as informed as they are today, so they would go see a movie that was absolute **** just because it featured something that appealed to them. Those days are also long gone.

Sit there and do the math for the last 10 years -- for every success where a studio thumbed its nose at the hardcore (and still succeeded), you can name at least three that were brought to its knees, or failed to meet studio expectations because of that group of people.

That's called a business trend morons. Look it up! Because you'll be needing an excuse when this doesn't meet financial expectations.

[Zing79]

Whats your point? You think Pegg can't do drama? Besides, Scotty was one of the most humorous characters in the original series.
I'd have to agree. He's the only character to this day that has comedic quoteables.

[Mig-El]

I still think Tom may get the role. It's may be false hope, but it's still hope. :)

It's not over until a press release.

[KBX]

Everyone needs to realize that nothing has been confirmed as far as casting goes... nothing... People just need to relax....

[triplet]

Pegg looks nothing like scotty

I have nothing to say about Star Trek, I wasn't really planning on seeing it once Zach Quinto was cast...

*shudders*

I hate Sylar on Heroes, can't see the appeal, perfect example of casting young maybe not working.

*glares at WB execs*

He's on a hot TV show, but I just don't see why people like him other than that and I definitely don't see him as Spock.

*shudders again*

[Thunder Emperor]

I have nothing to say about Star Trek, I wasn't really planning on seeing it once Zach Quinto was cast...

*shudders*

I hate Sylar on Heroes, can't see the appeal, perfect example of casting young maybe not working.

*glares at WB execs*

He's on a hot TV show, but I just don't see why people like him other than that and I definitely don't see him as Spock.

*shudders again*

don't hate on sylar a great villian.:woot:

[triplet]

don't hate on sylar a great villian.:woot:

He's grotesque and I can't believe there are girls that squeal about him.

*shudders*

Okay, so maybe Spock doesn't need to be a looker but he shouldn't be creepy looking either.

He makes it work as Sylar, but not for Spock.

[Thunder Emperor]

He's grotesque and I can't believe there are girls that squeal about him.

*shudders*

Okay, so maybe Spock doesn't need to be a looker but he shouldn't be creepy looking either.

He makes it work as Sylar, but not for Spock.

was not talking about his looks

[triplet]

was not talking about his looks

I just find him creepy, not just because of the part he plays.

I don't see him as Spock at all. He weirds me out.

Maybe it won't be so bad if he's playing a far different character but Heroes is the only thing I've seen him in so that may be a factor.

[AgentPat]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/doublepost.gif

[AgentPat]

I left a comment on the interview's page, I suggest you do the same for good measure. The suits are bound to be reading one of the two.Just did. There's only four comments there though; I wish more people would speak up.

C'mon folks!
http://www.voicesfromkrypton.com/2007/10/exclusive-grego.html#comments

It's a sad day to be a fan of Superman, and an even sadder day to be a fan of DC Characters in general.Yup.

BTW, Show, very NICE post you left over at IESB. I gave you a "Karma" kudo for that. LOL :up:

I just hope that Hollywood Reporter had a lot of that casting stuff wrong....You give the kids the keys to a 250 million dollar car?

THAT is insane if it's true.:confused:

You speak as if Warners hasn't done this before. Funding their director's "visions" with $200M dollar investments isn't anything new. Making stellar profits on such endeavors is, however.

You know what? I wouldn't be surprised if they went politically correct with the film and called it "Justice League Association" and leave out "America".They are leaving out "America." It'll just be called "Justice League." But that never bothered me. I understand the foreign marketing concern on that. It's just a title.

The thing that REALLY gets me about all this is the prevailing opinion that the hard-core audience and the teen/general audience are not one and the same. That somehow they're mutually exclusive.I've been saying that for quite sometime. Look at all the discussion about the Star Trek film that's taken place here. I personally haven't gone looking for it because my interest in new Star Trek films died years ago. I am mildly curious though, so I've been reading the posts. In being here - discussing something completely unrelated to Star Trek - I have in fact gained some knowledge of the project, along with the opinions of people I trust. It may just be osmosis, but that's all it takes.

Now imagine all of the other I-Net boards in the world where comic book films come up in conversation, where super heroes are discussed, where tv shows are analyzed, and where actors and celebrities are ogled. Bad buzz is like crap: it happens.

That's called a business trend morons. Look it up! Because you'll be needing an excuse when this doesn't meet financial expectations.Oooo... nice! I wish I had read this post before commenting over at VFK. Oh well. I think I got my point across regardless.

Nighters folks!

[Lighthouse]

Pegg looks nothing like scotty

Well, if you dyed his hair black, he kinda would, but who cares that he doesn't? It's a new Star Trek.

[Mike_D202]

I'm watching the new star trek remake just for scotty and spock.

[MJZ]

Serious **** pains man, been eating too much burritos. :D

Honestly, I don't even know what to make of these casting news. Especially with Sanchez pulling the article at the 11th hour for no reason. Maybe the reaction got some of the upper brass to continue looking? Honestly, the way this film is so rushed, I am not sure it will do Welling's portrayal of Superman any favors. The question is, would you want Welling as Superman based on the trajectory of this film, or wait it out for a better circumstance?

Well I'm one of these meanies who is of the belief that Welling has had no involvement with JLA whatsoever, and now with how this thing appears to be shaking up that's probably a blessing...

[rumpuso]

It's totally bizarre that this Welling stuff has happened twice now (referring to 2004). Sounds like Robert and Jayne just fed the fires before official confirmation and we jumped up and did all the rest. Someone here (was it Zing?) said that Welling was never in contention, but we all wanted to believe so much and this, I guess, is the price of wishful thinking. We've been through it twice now. Tom's never said a word about either situation.

The internet truly is a feeding frenzy. This kind of casting back and forth stuff probably happens for lots of movies. We should probably have never been "involved" or given a heads up because in the end, it's never about the fans' wishes, and always is about making a dollar or two.

Quite irritating to have travelled down this path again. We were all just fine and dandy enjoying Smallville before Robert and Jayne posted unconfirmed rumors.

[TheLongestDay]

is the no hope atall then?

[TheLongestDay]

well i guess now we just have to wait and see what the cast looks like...with Welling out of the running my interest has just gone down a few notches for this project...:(

[Superman_]

Bummer...

:(

The WB bastards don't know how to make a comic book movie. It's why Marvel is kicking their asses in the box office and they produce stinkers like Catwoman and that movie that shall not be named.

Bastards.


You can't cast just anyone in such iconic roles, you got to cast the right someone and the rest of the pieces will fall into place.

*sigh*

I thought they might have learned something learned from SR's failure and BB's success but that would mean they actually had more than a couple of brain cells knocking around in between their ears. I guess that isn't the case, clearly.Once again SR was not a failure. It may have under preformed at the box office but it was not a failure. For a movie that cost 206 million to make and brought in over 400 million it was not a failure. The problem was they were expecting Spider-Man numbers and didn't get it. Thats it but SR did its job and from the looks of it will be getting a sequel around 2010

If it was a failure as so many of you claim then in every interview they (WB) wouldn't always say some thing like this:

VOICES FROM KRYPTON: Do you guys ever throw up red flags when something doesn’t seem right? I’m not sure what your feeling was about Superman Returns. My feeling has been that it was good, but it should have been great.

GREGORY NOVECK: If they wanted to make Superman’s cape blue, for example, we’d say, “You can’t do that.” If they wanted it where Clark Kent never wears glasses, that’s an issue. If the relationship between Lois and Clark felt false, we could comment on that. It’s not that we can’t say, “Hey, could there be more action in this movie?” We can, but it’s not really our call, it’s up to the filmmaker. The thing about Superman Returns is that at the end of the day it’s a recognizable Superman and a recognizable Superman movie. There’s nothing in the movie except where maybe the strictest fans would say, “Superman would never do that.” If you’d seen the previous iterations of the script, from my standpoint we were really successful. Is it at the same level of movie that Batman Begins was? Probably not, but it’s a different animal, yet both of those are recognizable as those characters.




Pat's answers:

A bird in the hand...
Tom Welling isn't getting any younger.
JL's Superman IS the role for him. SV got the ball rolling and audiences loved it. *I* loved it.
Tom Welling staring in Justice League is better than Tom Welling guest appearing in KaraVille.
Everything about JL sounds amazing - the director, producer, cinemaphotographer, FX house, story, and yes, even the timing (film unspools right after SV ends). Is there time to change this inane kiddy casting approach if true? Absolutely.
JL is happening NOW. While not completely out of the realm of possibility, a SV movie wouldn't happen for years, if it happens at all. And even if it does happen, think "Clark Kent" not "Superman," think low profile DTV, no name director, G&M script, and maybe a $30M budget, IF they're lucky. Yeah, my brain hurts from too much thinking too.
JL is a potential new franchise. If successful, it would lead to more films, and the actors cast would likely continue their respective roles. It is in fact, the whole point as I've come to understand the big picture. But maybe that was misinformation too, I dunno?
Having two Supermen was a gamble to begin with. It split the fan base of Superman fans in a way I don't think Warners could have imagined back in 2004. Now they want THREE? Pass the crack pipe please. :)
Final point, yes, it IS just a movie. Nobody is being forced to see it. But I have my doubts about how many people will *want* to see it given the horrendous cast Miller is allegedly pushing for. I certainly am not interested in Friday Night OC Justice League if that comes to pass. Is that what they really want to make? Is that how they want DC's flagship characters introduced to the public? Seriously?
G'luck and Godspeed, Warner Bros. I thought you had learned from BB, but I guess that was just a fluke. Oh well. [waves]

<- goes back into lurk mode until this nightmare ends with the dreaded casting announcement.Now if your talking about SV got the ball rolling for Justice League then your dead wrong. What got the ball rolling for Justice League was Bruce Timm not SV. SV pretty much had the Teen Titans for their Justice League because if you replace Clark with Robin and called A.C. Aqualad you had the Teen Titans.

[triplet]

Once again SR was not a failure. It may have under preformed at the box office but it was not a failure. For a movie that cost 206 million to make and brought in over 400 million it was not a failure. The problem was they were expecting Spider-Man numbers and didn't get it. Thats it but SR did its job and from the looks of it will be getting a sequel around 2010

If it was a failure as so many of you claim then in every interview they (WB) wouldn't always say some thing like this:

VOICES FROM KRYPTON: Do you guys ever throw up red flags when something doesn’t seem right? I’m not sure what your feeling was about Superman Returns. My feeling has been that it was good, but it should have been great.

GREGORY NOVECK: If they wanted to make Superman’s cape blue, for example, we’d say, “You can’t do that.” If they wanted it where Clark Kent never wears glasses, that’s an issue. If the relationship between Lois and Clark felt false, we could comment on that. It’s not that we can’t say, “Hey, could there be more action in this movie?” We can, but it’s not really our call, it’s up to the filmmaker. The thing about Superman Returns is that at the end of the day it’s a recognizable Superman and a recognizable Superman movie. There’s nothing in the movie except where maybe the strictest fans would say, “Superman would never do that.” If you’d seen the previous iterations of the script, from my standpoint we were really successful. Is it at the same level of movie that Batman Begins was? Probably not, but it’s a different animal, yet both of those are recognizable as those characters.


It's a failure exactly because it didn't perform to expectations.

WB thought it was going to do Spider-man numbers and it didn't even come close.

SR didn't even make 400 million worldwide (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm), on a production budget of $270 million.

Spider-man made 400 million domestically (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman.htm) and it cost a hell of a lot less to make and made another $400 million in foreign box office. Spider-man 2 (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman2.htm) and even the lame Spider-man 3 (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman3.htm) both blew SR out of the water.

WB was foolish in expecting SR to come anywhere close to Spidey numbers, but it made less than half of what Spider-man did. That's a bit under expections.

It may have generated more money than it cost to make, but only just barely when you factor in marketing costs.

It wasn't even close to being a success.

[musclesforsupes]

:o WELL GOOD STUPID MORNING TO YOU WB:cmad:


I GUESS YOU WANT MORE FLAMES AT YOU FOR YOUR STUPID REASON FOR NOT CASTING TOM. LOOK SMALLVILLE MADE YOU WANT TO MAKE SR, SMALLVILLE IS WHAT BROUGHT SUPERMAN BACK TO LIFE, THEN JUSTICE LAST YEAR WAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATED SHOWS FOR THE CW AND SVILLE, BUT AGAIN YOU CRAP ON TOM AND YOU CRAP ON THE FANS. I WILL NOT SEE TEEN JUSTICE OR LUGONA BEACH JUSTICE OR CRIBS JUSTICE, I HOPE YOUR MOVIE FAILS WORSE THAN ANY SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER DOES.

THIS IS MORE DISAPPOINTED THEN 04, LEAVE A COMMENT ON THAT WEBSITE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS I HAVE. WELLING AND ROUTH FANS NEED TO UNITE AND BURN THIS MOVIE AND DIS ON ALL THE ACTORS WHO GET IT, IF ANYONE HAS A PHONE NUMBER TO WB OR ADDRESS WHERE WE CAN VOICE AN OPINION LET US KNOW GUYS.


OH STUPID QUESTION ON MY PART WILL WE EVER KNOW WHAT OFFICALLY HAPPEN TO WELLING OR WILL WE NEVER KNOW, AND IS THERE ANY ANYYYYYYYYYYYY CHANCE LEFT :(


TIME TO GET TO WORK NOW GOD THIS IS REALLY HORRIBLE NEWS THIS MORNING.

OH AND WB I HATE YOU! :woot:

[musclesforsupes]

Sorry So Pissed Had To Say This Again.

Wb Your F'n Stupid!

Burn This Film.

Teenagers As The Jl? Who The F Works At The Wb, CARSON DAILY?!

[RakuMon]

Not to belabor the point, but Noveck doesn't praise SR either. This is what he said: "Is it at the same level of movie that Batman Begins was? Probably not"

He only said SR was a success compared to previous iterations of the script. Namely, Burton's leather-clad, non-flying Superman vs. gay robot polar bears and JJ Abrams' Supersuit in a can. So yeah, SR was successful in that regard.

As for the JL cluster****, I gotta say something's fishy about this whole thing. Let's go with the assumption that CD and IESB's scoops about Welling actually were purposely leaked by the studio as misinformation. Okay, why the hell would WB sabotage their own product? Think about it. Before Sanchez went on national television and announced Welling was up for Superman in JL, there was hardly any buzz about the flick. But as soon as Attack of the Show aired, the internets exploded with buzz. So much so that mainstream places like EW and MTV even picked up on the Welling rumor.

Now, if WB was just leaking false info about Welling just to build buzz, then why kill all the momentum you were building when you actually name a cast that is without the actor that was responsible for the buzz in the first place? It's the worst kind of bait and switch because by getting the fans' hopes up, only to dash them with disappointment, will only lead to resentment from said fanbase. I'm not saying SR was a b.o. disappointment solely because of Smallville, but it was a victim of bad buzz. Something that is on-deck for JLA if things continue down this path.

The only condolence Welling fans had in 2004 was that Smallville would continue. This was a good thing. In 2004! I may be in the minority opinion, but I don't think Smallville should go beyond the seventh season, so the prospect of more Smallville is no consolation this time around. Three years ago, SV was in the prime of its life and most people's fear was that SR would force the show off the air. So when it was revealed SV would continue, everyone breathed a sigh of relief. Now, however, keeping SV on the air would just be watching a once-mighty show limp off into oblivion. As much as I love the show, even I understand that the producers are just dragging everything out now. Even though I dig the intro of Kara, I realize the only reason she's on the show is for the writers to rehash old plotlines (as witnessed by last week's eppy "Fierce"). Personally, I don't want to watch an eighth season of Smallville without two of the three main leads. This is the perfect time to end the show. Because, unlike most shows on TV, Smallville has a predetermined ending. And right now, it just feels like the writers are stalling to get there.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

It is also sad if you take into consideration with the fact that the very last resort the WB will do with Superman if JL fails with the General Audience is a Smallville movie & that shouldnt be a last resort. But what can you do.

[rumpuso]

The only condolence Welling fans had in 2004 was that Smallville would continue. This was a good thing. In 2004! I may be in the minority opinion, but I don't think Smallville should go beyond the seventh season, so the prospect of more Smallville is no consolation this time around. Three years ago, SV was in the prime of its life and most people's fear was that SR would force the show off the air. So when it was revealed SV would continue, everyone breathed a sigh of relief. Now, however, keeping SV on the air would just be watching a once-mighty show limp off into oblivion. As much as I love the show, even I understand that the producers are just dragging everything out now. Even though I dig the intro of Kara, I realize the only reason she's on the show is for the writers to rehash old plotlines (as witnessed by last week's eppy "Fierce"). Personally, I don't want to watch an eighth season of Smallville without two of the three main leads. This is the perfect time to end the show. Because, unlike most shows on TV, Smallville has a predetermined ending. And right now, it just feels like the writers are stalling to get there.

Completely agree.

[Superman_]

It's a failure exactly because it didn't perform to expectations.

WB thought it was going to do Spider-man numbers and it didn't even come close.

SR didn't even make 400 million worldwide (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm), on a production budget of $270 million.

Spider-man made 400 million domestically (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman.htm) and it cost a hell of a lot less to make and made another $400 million in foreign box office. Spider-man 2 (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman2.htm) and even the lame Spider-man 3 (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman3.htm) both blew SR out of the water.

WB was foolish in expecting SR to come anywhere close to Spidey numbers, but it made less than half of what Spider-man did. That's a bit under expections.

It may have generated more money than it cost to make, but only just barely when you factor in marketing costs.

It wasn't even close to being a success.
The production budget was 206 million. The 270 million came from the past failed projects.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Not to belabor the point, but Noveck doesn't praise SR either. This is what he said: "Is it at the same level of movie that Batman Begins was? Probably not"

He only said SR was a success compared to previous iterations of the script. Namely, Burton's leather-clad, non-flying Superman vs. gay robot polar bears and JJ Abrams' Supersuit in a can. So yeah, SR was successful in that regard.

As for the JL cluster****, I gotta say something's fishy about this whole thing. Let's go with the assumption that CD and IESB's scoops about Welling actually were purposely leaked by the studio as misinformation. Okay, why the hell would WB sabotage their own product? Think about it. Before Sanchez went on national television and announced Welling was up for Superman in JL, there was hardly any buzz about the flick. But as soon as Attack of the Show aired, the internets exploded with buzz. So much so that mainstream places like EW and MTV even picked up on the Welling rumor.

Now, if WB was just leaking false info about Welling just to build buzz, then why kill all the momentum you were building when you actually name a cast that is without the actor that was responsible for the buzz in the first place? It's the worst kind of bait and switch because by getting the fans' hopes up, only to dash them with disappointment, will only lead to resentment from said fanbase. I'm not saying SR was a b.o. disappointment solely because of Smallville, but it was a victim of bad buzz. Something that is on-deck for JLA if things continue down this path.

The only condolence Welling fans had in 2004 was that Smallville would continue. This was a good thing. In 2004! I may be in the minority opinion, but I don't think Smallville should go beyond the seventh season, so the prospect of more Smallville is no consolation this time around. Three years ago, SV was in the prime of its life and most people's fear was that SR would force the show off the air. So when it was revealed SV would continue, everyone breathed a sigh of relief. Now, however, keeping SV on the air would just be watching a once-mighty show limp off into oblivion. As much as I love the show, even I understand that the producers are just dragging everything out now. Even though I dig the intro of Kara, I realize the only reason she's on the show is for the writers to rehash old plotlines (as witnessed by last week's eppy "Fierce"). Personally, I don't want to watch an eighth season of Smallville without two of the three main leads. This is the perfect time to end the show. Because, unlike most shows on TV, Smallville has a predetermined ending. And right now, it just feels like the writers are stalling to get there.

You've pretty much summed up everything I was going to say here.

[ZIPBAGS]

Was hoping for this....

http://students.ou.edu/M/Michael.S.Miller-1/Justice%20League.jpg


But, it looks like we might get this...

http://superherouniverse.com/superheroes/images/justiceleague/tvpilot/martian-manhunter.jpg

:(

[DvilDog]

I was going to leave a comment on that website, but what would be the point? WB or DC or whoever else hasnt listened before it isnt gonna happen now. lets just look at it like this. on average 5 million viewers tune into smallville every week. With Tom as Supes that is every single person who watches smallville paying 8 dollars to watch him as Superman on the big screen. Thats 40 million dollars in revenue right there. Now granted you can give or take a few million, but now just imagine everyone of those 5 million viewers going back for a 2nd showing (80,000,000) and a third viewing ( 120,000,000). Granted these numbers may be kind of skewed but you get the picture. now granted there are going to be smallville watchers who still go see this flick no matter what but just think if they didnt? No Tom, No Ryan, No Bale, No Routh. NO thank you!!! Go F*** yourselves WB!

Sorry if this has already been covered. But why not beat a dead horse. The WB is doing it why dont I jump on the band wagon!

[Ahura Mazda]

Was hoping for this....

http://students.ou.edu/M/Michael.S.Miller-1/Justice%20League.jpg


But, it looks like we might get this...

http://superherouniverse.com/superheroes/images/justiceleague/tvpilot/martian-manhunter.jpg

:(



Sorry but that is hilarious :D but sadly it also reeks of the truth :(

[musclesforsupes]

:woot: Well 10:30am on the east coast and I still hate the WB... All is well :woot:

[DvilDog]

:woot: Well 10:30am on the east coast and I still hate the WB... All is well :woot:


And WB evidently still hates their fans. All is right with the world ;)

[TWistim]

Not to belabor the point, but Noveck doesn't praise SR either. This is what he said: "Is it at the same level of movie that Batman Begins was? Probably not"

He only said SR was a success compared to previous iterations of the script. Namely, Burton's leather-clad, non-flying Superman vs. gay robot polar bears and JJ Abrams' Supersuit in a can. So yeah, SR was successful in that regard.

As for the JL cluster****, I gotta say something's fishy about this whole thing. Let's go with the assumption that CD and IESB's scoops about Welling actually were purposely leaked by the studio as misinformation. Okay, why the hell would WB sabotage their own product? Think about it. Before Sanchez went on national television and announced Welling was up for Superman in JL, there was hardly any buzz about the flick. But as soon as Attack of the Show aired, the internets exploded with buzz. So much so that mainstream places like EW and MTV even picked up on the Welling rumor.

Now, if WB was just leaking false info about Welling just to build buzz, then why kill all the momentum you were building when you actually name a cast that is without the actor that was responsible for the buzz in the first place? It's the worst kind of bait and switch because by getting the fans' hopes up, only to dash them with disappointment, will only lead to resentment from said fanbase. I'm not saying SR was a b.o. disappointment solely because of Smallville, but it was a victim of bad buzz. Something that is on-deck for JLA if things continue down this path.

The only condolence Welling fans had in 2004 was that Smallville would continue. This was a good thing. In 2004! I may be in the minority opinion, but I don't think Smallville should go beyond the seventh season, so the prospect of more Smallville is no consolation this time around. Three years ago, SV was in the prime of its life and most people's fear was that SR would force the show off the air. So when it was revealed SV would continue, everyone breathed a sigh of relief. Now, however, keeping SV on the air would just be watching a once-mighty show limp off into oblivion. As much as I love the show, even I understand that the producers are just dragging everything out now. Even though I dig the intro of Kara, I realize the only reason she's on the show is for the writers to rehash old plotlines (as witnessed by last week's eppy "Fierce"). Personally, I don't want to watch an eighth season of Smallville without two of the three main leads. This is the perfect time to end the show. Because, unlike most shows on TV, Smallville has a predetermined ending. And right now, it just feels like the writers are stalling to get there.

So it wasn't just a bad dream after all! :csad:

Rakumon, I am totally in agreement with what you are saying.

That Noveck guy is just spinning things. WB is not gonna come out and say they goofed.

I have learned a powerful lesson in all of this. As fun as it was at times to visualize my dream of seeing Tom on the big screen as Superman and run with it, I let myself listen to too much speculation and not enough confirmed info. That won't happen again.

SV could really shine this year and go out on a high note if they will focus on what they set up in the first two episodes of the season - Clark focusing on and becoming Superman. No more stalling, PLEASE!!!

[musclesforsupes]

And WB evidently still hates their fans. All is right with the world ;)


Hell on earth, bad will towards Miller:woot: :oldrazz:

[AgentPat]

Not to belabor the point, but Noveck doesn't praise SR either. This is what he said: "Is it at the same level of movie that Batman Begins was? Probably not"

He only said SR was a success compared to previous iterations of the script. Namely, Burton's leather-clad, non-flying Superman vs. gay robot polar bears and JJ Abrams' Supersuit in a can. So yeah, SR was successful in that regard.

As for the JL cluster****, I gotta say something's fishy about this whole thing. Let's go with the assumption that CD and IESB's scoops about Welling actually were purposely leaked by the studio as misinformation. Okay, why the hell would WB sabotage their own product? Think about it. Before Sanchez went on national television and announced Welling was up for Superman in JL, there was hardly any buzz about the flick. But as soon as Attack of the Show aired, the internets exploded with buzz. So much so that mainstream places like EW and MTV even picked up on the Welling rumor.

Now, if WB was just leaking false info about Welling just to build buzz, then why kill all the momentum you were building when you actually name a cast that is without the actor that was responsible for the buzz in the first place? It's the worst kind of bait and switch because by getting the fans' hopes up, only to dash them with disappointment, will only lead to resentment from said fanbase. I'm not saying SR was a b.o. disappointment solely because of Smallville, but it was a victim of bad buzz. Something that is on-deck for JLA if things continue down this path.

The only condolence Welling fans had in 2004 was that Smallville would continue. This was a good thing. In 2004! I may be in the minority opinion, but I don't think Smallville should go beyond the seventh season, so the prospect of more Smallville is no consolation this time around. Three years ago, SV was in the prime of its life and most people's fear was that SR would force the show off the air. So when it was revealed SV would continue, everyone breathed a sigh of relief. Now, however, keeping SV on the air would just be watching a once-mighty show limp off into oblivion. As much as I love the show, even I understand that the producers are just dragging everything out now. Even though I dig the intro of Kara, I realize the only reason she's on the show is for the writers to rehash old plotlines (as witnessed by last week's eppy "Fierce"). Personally, I don't want to watch an eighth season of Smallville without two of the three main leads. This is the perfect time to end the show. Because, unlike most shows on TV, Smallville has a predetermined ending. And right now, it just feels like the writers are stalling to get there.Excellent post!!!! :up:

I have nothing more to add.




On the SR budget debate, here's the bottom line:

"Superman Returns" fell under endless scrutiny for its production budget, which the studio puts at $209 million after tax rebates and incentives. The number is much higher when factoring in more than $40 million in development costs -- "Superman Returns" was in the works for years -- even though those costs were previously absorbed.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117952909



And finally, can I just say I find it absolutely HILARIOUS that the same hypocrites who used to argue Warners would NEVER allow two different live action Superman to exist at the same time (never mind THREE!) are now completely ignoring how much Noveck shot that theory out of the sky?

The points argued here and elsewhere have always been that SV's Clark Kent isn't Superman - as if the general public makes a distinction solely based on wardrobe. Even people that don't watch the show routinely refer to it as "that Superman show." But that didn't matter to the people arguing existence of a restriction regardless. So there was always some doubt for some of us because despite the nonsense coming from comic purists and SV haters, *maybe* Warners did in fact see it that way? There was no proof either way, just hearsay. And Warners proves themselves to be dumber than a box of rox over and over, so why not on this subject too?

Well, the facts have been made crystal clear now, assuming you believe 'em. You people - and you know who you are - need to pick one option at this point, because you can't have it both ways in the debate anymore:

1. If you still want to cling to the notion that there can only be one live action Superman at any given time - despite what Noveck said - then you will have to accept the fact that Singer's SR franchise is DEADER THAN A DOORNAIL. Kiss it good-bye people; it's history. Come summer 2009, there WILL be a new face of Superman on public display, and it won't be Brandon Routh OR Tom Welling.

2. If you concede you were wrong, and DC Comics and Warners apparently have no problem with multiple versions of Superman running concurrently, then there should be NO studio restrictions placed on SV whatsoever if they want to show Superman (the suited character that flies) on the show. If the show's producers don't want that, oh well, but Warners and DC Comics should have no say in the matter as long as the SV version is "a recognizable Superman" and they don't give him a blue cape or something. It also allows for the possibility of a SV film about SUPERMAN, and not just Clark Kent.

There it is; pick one people. End of story.

Personally, I'll take option #2 for the win, Alex.

[Serene]

:o WELL GOOD STUPID MORNING TO YOU WB:cmad:

LOL!
I sympathize, muscles, but it still makes me laugh.

I'm not saying SR was a b.o. disappointment solely because of Smallville, but it was a victim of bad buzz. Something that is on-deck for JLA if things continue down this path.

I *really*wonder if they realize the extent of bad buzz they are already getting about this movie? We assume so much about them monitoring the internet for fan reactions, but sometimes I think we give them too much credit and they're just not that smart. Perhaps they don't give the internet fans much if any consideration at all in their decisions. Granted, the internet fans are usually extremists in terms of how much they care so they buzz LOUDLY, but that buzz does cross over to mainstream media, and mainstream media influences the general public.

This is going to be interesting, that's for sure.

Now, however, keeping SV on the air would just be watching a once-mighty show limp off into oblivion. As much as I love the show, even I understand that the producers are just dragging everything out now. Even though I dig the intro of Kara, I realize the only reason she's on the show is for the writers to rehash old plotlines (as witnessed by last week's eppy "Fierce"). Personally, I don't want to watch an eighth season of Smallville without two of the three main leads. This is the perfect time to end the show. Because, unlike most shows on TV, Smallville has a predetermined ending. And right now, it just feels like the writers are stalling to get there.

I torn about this. I completely agree that once the show is being dragged out, it's time to end. The *only* exception to my thinking would be if: Let's say they take the show in a whole new direction for the 8th season. Clark Kent hitting the road (and skies) a la Birthright? No need for a Lex or Lana (maybe an occasional guest appearance), but a different adventure every week. IF they would do something different and exciting like that, I'd be SO behind it. Sadly, I think the chances are 99.8% that they would never go that route and make it an entirely different show.

Otherwise, I do have to agree, end it gracefully on a high note, and don't drag it out waiting to be canceled.

That frees up Tom and company to hopefully go on and do other things.

[Serene]

And finally, can I just say I find it absolutely HILARIOUS that the same hypocrites who used to argue Warners would NEVER allow two different live action Superman to exist at the same time (never mind THREE!) are now completely ignoring how much Noveck shot that theory out of the sky?

The points argued here and elsewhere have always been that SV's Clark Kent isn't Superman - as if the general public makes a distinction solely based on wardrobe. Even people that don't watch the show routinely refer to it as "that Superman show." But that didn't matter to the people arguing existence of a restriction regardless. So there was always some doubt for some of us because despite the nonsense coming from comic purists and SV haters, *maybe* Warners did in fact see it that way? There was no proof either way, just hearsay. And Warners proves themselves to be dumber than a box of rox over and over, so why not on this subject too?

Well, the facts have been made crystal clear now, assuming you believe 'em. You people - and you know who you are - need to pick one option at this point, because you can't have it both ways in the debate anymore:

1. If you still want to cling to the notion that there can only be one live action Superman at any given time - despite what Noveck said - then you will have to accept the fact that Singer's SR franchise is DEADER THAN A DOORNAIL. Kiss it good-bye people; it's history. Come summer 2009, there WILL be a new face of Superman on public display, and it won't be Brandon Routh OR Tom Welling.

2. If you concede you were wrong, and DC Comics and Warners apparently have no problem with multiple versions of Superman running concurrently, then there should be NO studio restrictions placed on SV whatsoever if they want to show Superman (the suited character that flies) on the show. If the show's producers don't want that, oh well, but Warners and DC Comics should have no say in the matter as long as the SV version is "a recognizable Superman" and they don't give him a blue cape or something. It also allows for the possibility of a SV film about SUPERMAN, and not just Clark Kent.

There it is; pick one people. End of story.

Personally, I'll take option #2 for the win, Alex.

Excellent argument, Pat. :up:

I'll also take #2, please.

[dark_b]

so in other words they can now have bruce wayne on the show. or will they now say that they dont want to confuse people?

f... idiots who have to much time,to much money and a very low IQ.

[Kaboom]

there is one major flaw in your argument Pat



Its logical.

[zerohour films]

Agreed Pat. You nailed.

All of these years of only getting the voice of Jor-EL and not being allowed to show this and that should be thrown out the window now if this is really the case!

So at least if we can't have Welling in a movie, at least give us something on the series more than Beauty queens with "abilities"



Usually try to avoid them and I won't knock the ep till I see it, but I was disappointed when I stumbled upon promo pics of "Lara" only to see her on the Kent farm. WTF!! She is supposed to be on Krypton for god's sake.
Hopefully the story will be very good, but again staying away from any spoilers about it, just have to watch and see...

[OobeDoobBenubi]

If Smallville gets an 8th season it needs to be completely different & not take place solely in Smallville anymore. Like everyone is saying Smallville fans are now waking up & are seeing that the **** heads G & M are trying to stall for as long as possible no matter what outcome Smallville has. G & M needs a ****ing wake up call. Or Smallvilles Clark Kent when he becomes Superman well IF at this point will be Superman & stay in Smallville & not go anywhere else :o G & M needs to grow some ****ing balls & logic.

[Showtime]

There was no intentional leak by WB that Welling was in the running for Superman, the sources for both Jayne and Rob were obviously wrong and that is the bottom line. The sources probably had info from months ago that WB wanted Welling in JLA, but as soon as Miller took over that was dead.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

We will never know Showtime

[AgentPat]

so in other words they can now have bruce wayne on the show. or will they now say that they dont want to confuse people?

f... idiots who have to much time,to much money and a very low IQ.Ah yes, such an interesting dilemma Noveck created, because now it comes down to rights issues NOT "confusing" the public. That whole argument has more holes in it than Swiss Cheese. And it STILL doesn't explain where the TW rumors started, who perpetrated them and why?

So here's another "either or" question for Warners to answer, because it can't be both! Pick one:

1. If Welling was never an option as Gough's vehement denials and Noveck's "confusion" diatribe would have people believe, then the public has just fallen victim to one of the most elaborate bait and switch scams ever devised by a Hollywood major. Why? What was the point?

2. If Welling WAS a consideration as MSN indicated back in February, if he indeed WAS offered a contract, said yes, and went on to participated in screen tests and other required functions as various insiders WITH track records have said, what happened? Who stopped it? Did Welling change his mind? Did G&M not get what they wanted out of the deal? Did Miller say I don't want those two clowns on my production team so either they go or I go?

Warners needs to pick one or come up with something better than "it would be too confusing." Because until they offer a better answer, the vitriol is likely to continue, and after SR, they really don't need any more bad buzz from a fanbase of millions of VERY vocal enthusiasts.

[Docker2.0]

Hey Pat, I posted my comments there as well. I hate WB now............moreso..........if that was possible.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Hey Pat, I posted my comments there as well. I hate WB now............moreso..........if that was possible.


werent you the one who said you had info that the Welling casting announcement was coming in 2 weeks?

[Docker2.0]

werent you the one who said you had info that the Welling casting announcement was coming in 2 weeks?

Yeah. :csad: But............that's on Friday.............but....................I guess I was wrong. I think the announcement will be Friday of who will get the part.........but just not looking like Welling at this point.

[Pickle-El]

Oh how the tide turns...wow. This is truly getting uglier than 04'.

I think some of you need to accept that you'll never truly get an answer to any of your questions.....this is just.it. All these 'tangent arguments' skew off of one major point that even those 2 knuckleheads who started this whole debated conceded....Maybe they were just fed misinformation about Welling to begin with. The rest is just.....fans being fans. (Much like Showtime said)

It sounds from that Noveck interview that the WB side never even considered Tom in the role...ever. It's as simple as that, and he and the WB honestly feel that the public won't care who dons the tights as long as the studio makes their coin. They get their Smallville money, JLA money, and possibly their MOS money depending on how they go about it.

The other thing, the whole 2 Batmen issue. There will be another one as well on the big screen in consecutive years. They don't care about that it seems, MOS isn't as dead of they as you say if that is the case.

Also, assuming there is an 8th season of Smallville, it will end by 09'. There could very well be *just* 1 Superman flying around by the summer. No more Welling, no more Routh. Just the new guy. That's a very real possibility as well.

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://www.emerchandise.com/images/p/SFS/pcSFS.jpg

I'm comin' Elizabeth!

Look who it is....Thought you would've run out of ISP's by now...

I'll give you one thing, you're persistent....

[musclesforsupes]

Lets see 1:01pm eastern time...Still Hate The WB!:cmad:


Now I still say we need to write or call the WB, plus do they think the fandom is going to except a 3rd Superman? This new guy will be treated worse than ROUTH. Plus if the costume is horrible this movie will probably get booed at the first comic con showing the trailer.

Second, why hasnt the CD.com girl or Robert made any more comments since last night on this issue.:csad:



Let see 1:03pm now and I still hate them.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Oh how the tide turns...wow. This is truly getting uglier than 04'.

I think some of you need to accept that you'll never truly get an answer to any of your questions.....this is just.it. All these 'tangent arguments' skew off of one major point that even those 2 knuckleheads who started this whole debated conceded....Maybe they were just fed misinformation about Welling to begin with. The rest is just.....fans being fans. (Much like Showtime said)

It sounds from that Noveck interview that the WB side never even considered Tom in the role...ever. It's as simple as that, and he and the WB honestly feel that the public won't care who dons the tights as long as the studio makes their coin. They get their Smallville money, JLA money, and possibly their MOS money depending on how they go about it.

The other thing, the whole 2 Batmen issue. There will be another one as well on the big screen in consecutive years. They don't care about that it seems, MOS isn't as dead of they as you say if that is the case.

Also, assuming there is an 8th season of Smallville, it will end by 09'. There could very well be *just* 1 Superman flying around by the summer. No more Welling, no more Routh. That's a very real possibility as well.

You're reading a lot of things into an interview with the DC Comics liason to WB.

[AgentPat]

Look who it is....Thought you would've run out of ISP's by now...

I'll give you one thing, you're persistent....Kane will keep coming back, and C.Lee will keep banning him, over and over again. Pathetic, I know.

The troll is like death and taxes, nobody wants to see him here, but it's unavoidable nonetheless.

[zerohour films]

Funny, how after that interview was released certain people have stopped by to rub it in. Never understand why it has to be Superman fans against each other. Part of the reason I lurked for so long and didn't post.

We all want one thing. To see Superman on film and treated respectfully. We may disagree as to the story/actor/suit, etc. But bottom line is we should be speaking up together to make sure he is treated right in all media he appears in.

I am not an SR hater. Saw the movie a few times in the theatres taking different nephews. Own the DVD along with all the season's of Smallville and never miss an episode. Sure both stories do things I don't completely agree with, but it is Superman after all and I look for the good in them.

I for one was definitely on board for Welling to take over. Brandon just didn't completely convince me he was Supes (even though he did better than I expected) but I would be willing to give him another shot in JLA if that's the way they had gone. I thought TW should have his shot if he wants, and feel he might have given us something good.

I can understand the disagreements with who should be cast, but some just take it to a whole new level. As well as some went way overboard believeing every "scoop" (I admit I fell victim a few times) and getting all out pissed at WB/Gough/Miller, etc (I'm had my moments as well).

But you know, it's really not worth it, I don't think any of those people or business will be losing sleep over what we say online.

Do I think they missed a good opportunity to cast TW (timing wise, etc) Yes. Do I think we need a new Superman, NO!
But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe that is exactly what we need as fans. One central person to get behind....or tear to shreds together :woot:

Let's just hope WB pulls a rabbit out of their a$$es and surprises us with a casting choice that will get all of our excitement back up.

-end rant-

[Bruce_Wayne29]

F**** them all ! I won't go see this movie without Tom Welling !
Those morons at Warner Bros. haven't learned anything from their past mistakes. I will be a pleasure to see them fail once again.
Maybe then they will finally listen...

[Paradoxium]

As you know, I am not a big Welling fan. But I think you guys are better off not having him in this JLA film. Sure it has some promise, but it's still really really rushed. It's not like Spielberg is behind the lens to compensate this fact. George Miller is a decent director but he is no Spielberg. It wouldn't shock me if this is one of the many reasons why Bale won't do JL (which in turn destroyed any chance for the much much more willing Routh).

Let me reframe this situation for you. What if Welling was cast for Superman Returns. Do you think he would have saved the film given the plot and characterizations by Singer? I think not. The only thing I like about JL is that it killed off the SR sequel.

[zerohour films]

F**** them all ! I won't go see this movie without Tom Welling !
Those morons at Warner Bros. haven't learned anything from their past mistakes. I will be a pleasure to see them fail once again.
Maybe then they will finally listen...


Don't hold back. Let it out!

Seriously, I don't think they are every going to listen. What someone from the DC side of things should be doing is step in and try to exert some type of power with the movie/tv division. Not just wait around for a call from the "filmmaker" if he is interested. WB will never get it right unless they are made to. Executives/producers, etc who have never picked up a comic or have nothing for the character are always going to set themselves up for failure.

It was a wonder BB ever got made and TDK is on the way. Though again not everyone will be pleased just like with those films. But even with what they may get wrong, they get a helluva lot more right than we've seen before from that studio.

DC needs to Stanitize WB! Meaning they need someone like Stan Lee to oversee or give their blessing or be involved whatever the case may be. Or they just need to allow DC to have their own studio ala Marvel. God knows they have the money for it.

[DvilDog]

Hell just cast me as Superman!

[Zing79]

I’ve worked in an industry involving PR for years, and I think this is a valid point to make (for those that don’t know it) because it very much effects how all of this should be perceived on our end.

WB either does PR in house, or pays a firm to do it for them. Regardless of which it is 100% guaranteed those handling the PR for WB will have every single major online publication that talks about their properties bookmarked, AND they will check these sites each and every day to see the kind of coverage they’re getting.

A PR rep’s sole job is to make sure information is controlled; released at the time of the clients choosing, in a manner that gets them the best possible coverage.

To say that the PR agency doesn’t know how the fans feel or what they want is to live in a dream world. They know!! They read these responses; they read the responses on IESB.net, at AICN et al.

And when you’re dealing with such a large company, on a project with hundreds of millions invested, there’s not a chance in hell that WB doesn’t know about the current comments/opinions being posted.

I can’t guarantee much, but one of three things happened:
1. Welling was up for the role.
2. His name was intentionally leaked to cause misdirection.
3. Robert Sanchez made up the fact Welling was attached to the project.

We can rule out option 3. I know it’s the popular choice of some, but I can assure you, Robert didn’t make it up. If he did, and was caught doing it so blatantly, WB would black ball his arse out of every press event they held from here on in. His site would suffer for it, and his living would be jeopardized. He would be known as someone who made stories up and could not be trusted -- not only would WB blackball him, but so to, would most PR agencies. When you consider he’s been in the game long enough to have dealt on multiple occasions with a PR agency being less than happy with him, you can bet he wouldn’t be stupid enough to make stuff up.

Which leaves you with two options – and it doesn’t matter which one you want to go with because both of them end the same way: a popular choice got out there, the PR ball started rolling, and now anything less than Welling attached is a PR problem.

[Superman_]

What you guys have to understand is most people do not care who is cast as Superman just as long as it is a good movie. I mean for the most part all the people I see wanting Welling are pretty much just the same people from here and the other SV board; same goes for the people who wanted Routh. You got to understand casting really doesn't matter to the general public or we wouldn't have the James Bond we have now. Yes I am upset about Welling not being Superman and the prospects of a new Superman but like I did with Routh I will give whoever the new guy is a chance and hopefully he will do a good job. If not I can always enjoy SV and Lois and Clark and the Reeve movies and Superman Returns and Man of Steel. You guys shouldn't get to worked up over this.

[ZIPBAGS]

I think that for season 8. Smallville should be called Metropolis. Its time Clark left the town. I mean half of the stories take place in Metropolis now. G&M should push to include some new heroes and have Clark do more Super things and start to get into journalism. Just because Kara is there now...He can't leave the farm?? Stupid.

And while I would have prefered Welling as Supes. My problem with SR was not as much Routh. But, the whole story and setting just ruined it. It should have been a reboot (ala Batman Begins). The scene with him saving the airplane would have been a perfect intro of Superman to Lois & the world. Instead we got a remake/sequel to a 30 year old movie. With a version of Luther not used anymore in the comics or tv/movies and a kid.

ps-Another nitpick. Smallville is supposed to be 4hr drive from Metropolis. We can understand Clark getting there quick. But, Chloe seems to go back and forth pretty quick. Even lives in Smallville still. That is some commute. :rolleyes: ;)

[Serene]

Which leaves you with two options – and it doesn’t matter which one you want to go with because both of them end the same way: a popular choice got out there, the PR ball started rolling, and now anything less than Welling attached is a PR problem.

So are you saying that you think the PR people screwed up?

And if so, do you think it will matter enough to cause them to make changes?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

The die hards never have & never will mean anything to studios. The die hard fans is not & will never be the audience they go for because they will never ever please every single die hard fan out there.

[Mandrill]

WB are muppets they want a 3 rd Superman because apparantly that is less confusing than having TW play him in Smallville and JL.This is a company who also stopped the Justice League cartoon using Joker and other Batman villians once the new ''The Batman'' cartoon started..

Seriously I just don't understand how they think....problem is the characters Batman ,Superman are so popular what ever they decide people will still watch same as I saw SR despite all the problems I had with it.

[Captain_BluTac]

i like tw

[Superman_]

The die hards never have & never will mean anything to studios. The die hard fans is not & will never be the audience they go for because they will never ever please every single die hard fan out there.Correct:up::up::up::up:

We don't matter and never will or Catwoman would have never seen the light of day.

[triplet]

And finally, can I just say I find it absolutely HILARIOUS that the same hypocrites who used to argue Warners would NEVER allow two different live action Superman to exist at the same time (never mind THREE!) are now completely ignoring how much Noveck shot that theory out of the sky?

The points argued here and elsewhere have always been that SV's Clark Kent isn't Superman - as if the general public makes a distinction solely based on wardrobe. Even people that don't watch the show routinely refer to it as "that Superman show." But that didn't matter to the people arguing existence of a restriction regardless. So there was always some doubt for some of us because despite the nonsense coming from comic purists and SV haters, *maybe* Warners did in fact see it that way? There was no proof either way, just hearsay. And Warners proves themselves to be dumber than a box of rox over and over, so why not on this subject too?

Well, the facts have been made crystal clear now, assuming you believe 'em. You people - and you know who you are - need to pick one option at this point, because you can't have it both ways in the debate anymore:

1. If you still want to cling to the notion that there can only be one live action Superman at any given time - despite what Noveck said - then you will have to accept the fact that Singer's SR franchise is DEADER THAN A DOORNAIL. Kiss it good-bye people; it's history. Come summer 2009, there WILL be a new face of Superman on public display, and it won't be Brandon Routh OR Tom Welling.

2. If you concede you were wrong, and DC Comics and Warners apparently have no problem with multiple versions of Superman running concurrently, then there should be NO studio restrictions placed on SV whatsoever if they want to show Superman (the suited character that flies) on the show. If the show's producers don't want that, oh well, but Warners and DC Comics should have no say in the matter as long as the SV version is "a recognizable Superman" and they don't give him a blue cape or something. It also allows for the possibility of a SV film about SUPERMAN, and not just Clark Kent.

There it is; pick one people. End of story.

Personally, I'll take option #2 for the win, Alex.

quoted for truth.

I'll take the #2 as welll, please.

Thanks.

Let him fly, let season 8 be Birthright on TV.

Otherwise, I agree with Raku about them going another season.

If Fierce any indication of how they're going to drag things out, then no thanks.

We don't need a return to the FOTW plots and lame continuity faux pax!

[zerohour films]

Agreed!

Quit with the FOTW filler crap and get the ball rolling. Go out with one helluva bang! Birthright type deal would be great--let Lex get all pyshco and Clark finally leave the FARM!! and get his "training" over with!

You can still stick with at least the no tights rule, but let the poor guy fly.
Save the suit for the last ep if you have to BUT SHOW HIM IN THE SUIT!!

And for the love of god don't try to wrap everything up at the end of each ep. After 7 seasons it's ok to let a story take more than one ep to tell.

Which makes me wonder...alot of successful shows get 2 hour finales, 2 hour premieres or what have you. That is one thing that has bothered me with Smallville. If it is CW's goldenchild why hasn't it ever recieved that treatment??

Hopefully the finale will be. I mean, for the love of god give us something to sink our teeth into on your way out. Leave em wanting more.

Just my 2 cents.

[Zing79]

So are you saying that you think the PR people screwed up?

And if so, do you think it will matter enough to cause them to make changes?
PR people rarely "screw up".

In the instance where this was misdirection either they were told this leak was going to happen or told to do it themselves by WB.

In the instance where he was up for the role and it got leaked by sources, there isn't a thing they could to about it.

As far as making changes you have to separate PR from the creative team. PR takes what creative is doing and with their help tries to put the best possible spin on it. It's very rare that they affect the creative process. It all comes from old school media mentality. Not everyone has caught up with the speed with which information is being relayed.

10 years ago it used to be that regardless of the entertainment medium (movies, music, games, TV) by the time it got to the end user there wasn’t a whole lot of information that that end user knew that wasn’t directly controlled by PR. So everyone was happy (on the corporate side of things).

Music, TV and Games are still in that same place. By the time any information about the product comes out that isn’t controller by the PR machine it’s just too late to make any changes (too much money will have already been spent bringing that product to the user). The reset button can’t be pressed by those mediums -- the PR machine will have to rescue bad press somehow.

Movies have moved beyond that though. Now people are hearing things about the process that gets out before the movie is even officially announced – before any real money has been spent. For some reason however, studios still (for the most part) disregard the feedback that starts forming right off the bat because of that old school mentality.

So to answer your question, think of who is on this project specifically, and how much they’ve listened to the early feedback in the past on these big projects. That should tell you whether changes could/will be made.

My opinion? Don’t hold your breath hoping for it to happen. WB still seems stuck on that old school mentality, where the majority of users don’t know jack from ****, so they don’t think our opinions matter all that much.

BTW -- they’re wrong, but it’s their money to be wrong with (unless you’re a shareholder, then that’s an entirely different matter :)).

[musclesforsupes]

GUYS I HAVE BREAKING NEWS!!!









































ITS 3:17PM EASTERN TIME AND YES....I STILL HATE THE WB:o

[Zing79]

The die hards never have & never will mean anything to studios. The die hard fans is not & will never be the audience they go for because they will never ever please every single die hard fan out there.
You can't please all of them. But you please enough of them, and they'll start the free PR rolling before a company has ever spent a dime to market something.
Correct:up::up::up::up:
We don't matter and never will or Catwoman would have never seen the light of day.
Be careful with saying we don't matter. Studios may ignore us when the movie gets going, but when its time to count up the money, we suddenly start to be counted (or lack thereof).

It's the diehards that will give you that 100 million opening weekend. It's the diehards that will see it more then once. It's the diehards that will buy that DVD in record numbers.

The diehards alone aren't going to make you any money, but you win them over, and they'll make your life a hell of a lot easier.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Be careful with saying we don't matter. Studios may ignore us when the movie gets going, but when its time to count up the money, we suddenly start to be counted (or lack thereof).

If thats the case then why dont we (the die hards) matter this time after we did not matter the first time with Returns ? In the end we will be ignored no matter what. You can lie to yourself all you want but action speaks louder then words.

[Superman_]

Returns we didn't matter because the die hard Superman fans were split just as we are split with Smallville. So with Returns it is either a hit or miss with most fans like how it is with SV.

[Zing79]

If thats the case then why dont we (the die hards) matter this time after we did not matter the first time with Returns ? In the end we will be ignored no matter what. You can lie to yourself all you want but action speaks louder then words.
Keep this in mind: I could say you don't exist, but that makes me a moron because you do.
You can tell yourself you don't matter because WB doesn't listen to you, but you matter. Oh lord do you ever.

Let's see how this all pans out: let's see if the negativity continues throughout the movie's creative process to theaters, and then let's see how the movie does financially.

Everything isn't as cut and dry as you think. Many of the people making decisions on these movies are well into their 40's and couldn't tell you what the hell QWERTY is.

People make decisions on what they know -- do your parents know of the power of the internet? Most don't, and most execs don't know what to make of us either.

[KBX]

Keep this in mind: I could say you don't exist, but that makes me a moron because you do.
You can tell yourself you don't matter because WB doesn't listen to you, but you matter. Oh lord do you ever.

Let's see how this all pans out: let's see if the negativity continues throughout the movie's creative process to theaters, and then let's see how the movie does financially.

Everything isn't as cut and dry as you think. Many of the people making decisions on these movies are well into their 40's and couldn't tell you what the hell QWERTY is.

People make decisions on what they know -- do your parents know of the power of the internet? Most don't, and most execs don't know what to make of us either.

Thats the reasons WB are not listening to us right now. All this negativity from what? Some rumored cast list that Sanchez has posted, who has been wrong on a couple of occasions...

From what that is so far confirmed has been great. You got George Miller, Great producers from such franchises like Martix, LotR, etc., WETA doing the costumers and 7 of DC best heros together....

[zerohour films]

Been trying to keep up with the happenings where I can..
Does anyone know what Robert was alluding to when he spoke about the "good news" , etc. Or has he ellaborated any..checked his message board but didn't see.

Not expecting it to be about Welling, but his words before the interview came out seemed strange. Surely he wasn't talking about the interview posted on VOK, or maybe he was and referring to the statement about not auditioning 19 year olds for Supes.

Wanted to know if I missed something..or are we all just pretty much in the dark as usual in regards to this project.

[TWistim]

You can't please all of them. But you please enough of them, and they'll start the free PR rolling before a company has ever spent a dime to market something.

Be careful with saying we don't matter. Studios may ignore us when the movie gets going, but when its time to count up the money, we suddenly start to be counted (or lack thereof).

It's the diehards that will give you that 100 million opening weekend. It's the diehards that will see it more then once. It's the diehards that will buy that DVD in record numbers.

The diehards alone aren't going to make you any money, but you win them over, and they'll make your life a hell of a lot easier.

That's why I am not going to pay money to see this movie. It's the only way we will be heard. If you are really upset by all this you have to let it be known by affecting their pocketbook. That's what will get their attention. SR should have taught them something but it wasn't "loud" enough because even fans who were not happy with the movie out of curiosity went to see it. Think how much more "loud" the message could have been if we had boycotted that movie.

[avidreader]

Many of the people making decisions on these movies are well into their 40's and couldn't tell you what the hell QWERTY is.

Do you have to go and make me feel so old. :oldrazz:




I dont know what QWERTY is. :O

[Damien Rage]

Do you have to go and make me feel so old. :oldrazz:




I dont know what QWERTY is. :O

I'm 34 and I have no clue as to what it is.

-edit-

anyone gonna dish it? seriously...never heard the term. tell me! no wait duh...I will just google it (dam I love the internet)

[The Watchman]

....ironic....

[Damien Rage]

omfg I feel retarded now :csad:

[avidreader]

omfg I feel retarded now :csad:

You actually found out by googling it. LOL!

BRB. :cwink:

Well, I'll be damned. That's too funny!! :D

[Damien Rage]

yup. at least I didn't have to click on the links...just barely read the description of the first link...and the HUGE wave of DUH came over me...

...I can still feel it now

[triplet]

:D

I'm over 40 and I know what QWERTY is, but then again I'm more computer-geeky than most 'round here.

;)

[Zing79]

Do you have to go and make me feel so old. :oldrazz:




I dont know what QWERTY is. :O

I'm 34 and I have no clue as to what it is.

-edit-

anyone gonna dish it? seriously...never heard the term. tell me! no wait duh...I will just google it (dam I love the internet)
LOL
Look at your keyboard...start at Q move right to Y -- what does that spell?
It's just a kind of keyboard setup.

[Serene]

LOL! I thought it was a character in some video game.
Wasn't there some little alien guy with a 'thing' on his head named Qwerty?

<-old.

[AgentPat]

DVORAK, anybody? :ninja: :p

(I learned all that stuff in high school LOL)

[avidreader]

DVORAK, anybody? :ninja: :p

(I learned all that stuff in high school LOL)

I know, I know.

It was a different layout of the keyboard, but it never took off. :woot:

[Eddie Brock]

LOL! I thought it was a character in some video game.
Wasn't there some little alien guy with a 'thing' on his head named Qwerty?

<-old.
Q*Bert?

:huh:

(I'm not even old and I knew that. :dry::woot:)

[Serene]

Q*Bert?

:huh:

(I'm not even old and I knew that. :dry::woot:)

Er.. um, yeah. :O

[rumpuso]

Not that this is relevant anymore since Tom isn't going to be Superman, but Buddy TV has posted an article on the Friday Night Lights actors vying for the superhero roles for Justice League. In the article, it mentions that Miller will announce the actors in their respective roles sometime this week.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/friday-night-lights/friday-night-lights-stars-vie-12494.aspx

[AgentPat]

I know, I know.

It was a different layout of the keyboard, but it never took off. :woot:I find the QWERTY point interesting because it's not a big mystery to anybody who grew up with that ancient of all inventions: the typewriter. I think the older you are, the more likely you'd know exactly what "QWERTY" refers to; it's typing class 101. But kids today grow up with computers and learn how to type on their own. Do business or academic schools still teach typing? Mine did, but that was a LONG ass time ago. :p

<- still covets the IMB Selectric III. :D

[Eddie Brock]

Not that this is relevant anymore since Tom isn't going to be Superman, but Buddy TV has posted an article on the Friday Night Lights actors vying for the superhero roles for Justice League. In the article, it mentions that Miller will announce the actors in their respective roles sometime this week.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/friday-night-lights/friday-night-lights-stars-vie-12494.aspx
Yay for the Teen League of America!

:down:dry:

[AgentPat]

Not that this is relevant anymore since Tom isn't going to be Superman, but Buddy TV has posted an article on the Friday Night Lights actors vying for the superhero roles for Justice League. In the article, it mentions that Miller will announce the actors in their respective roles sometime this week.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/friday-night-lights/friday-night-lights-stars-vie-12494.aspxYeah, I saw that. Eh. I'm done with JL. Welling not being in the film is no doubt a bummer, but I still would have been excited about the film if they were casting real men and women. The kiddie approach turns me off BIG time. I already saw Sky High; I have no interest seeing it again, re-packaged with a new title. I don't even watch Harry Potter films. The only reason I saw Sky High was because Kurt Russell, Lynda Carter and Bruce Campbell was in it. It was just geeky fun. But Teen Justice League? Huh? I don't THINK so. Not unless they make it a comedy. I *might* watch that. Otherwise, I'd rather watch 1000 hours of Dawn Stiles. (Hyperbole to make a point.)

[ZIPBAGS]

So I guess we will never know what Robert's "good news" is?

I know I have June 2009 marked down to see the Miller directed Teen Titans movie! :rolleyes:

[triplet]

I know, I know.

It was a different layout of the keyboard, but it never took off. :woot:

They use Dvorak in the UK, I believe...

I could be wrong, but I thought I'd read their keyboard layout is different and it's more than the £ being on the keyboard.

[AgentPat]

So I guess we will never know what Robert's "good news" is?Are they still discussing it? Okay, I guess that's a dumb question, but honestly, I stopped reading there. I just don't care anymore. Seriously. Apathy is thy name, which is probably a good thing, because I was spending FAR too much time glued to my computer. Time to move on with real life, y'know? :yay:

[rumpuso]

Are they still discussing it? Okay, I guess that's a dumb question, but honestly, I stopped reading there. I just don't care anymore. Seriously. Apathy is thy name, which is probably a good thing, because I was spending FAR too much time glued to my computer. Time to move on with real life, y'know? :yay:

That's just it...everyone *was* minding their own business before Robert and Emijayne sucked us back in with unsubstantiated rumors. I'm kinda sick of all this secret secret garbage talk from all the supposed "insiders" on the boards. They crawl out of the woodworks with their wink, wink, nod, nod lingo and it never amounts to anything. I'm glad I have a life beyond this place. It's so unhealthy on the net sometimes.

[AgentPat]

They use Dvorak in the UK, I believe...

I could be wrong, but I thought I'd read their keyboard layout is different and it's more than the £ being on the keyboard.Oh, the Dvorak layout it bizarre. It's supposed to be easier and more efficiant. Indeed, it's been shown you can physically type faster on one, but I learned on a Qwerty, and I'm too old (read: stubborn) to learn a new trick now. ;)

I don't know if it's the standard in the UK.

Anyhoo, here's the layout:
http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/layout.html

[Zing79]

People need to back off this idea that Robert made that story up. I think he heard the very real truth that Welling was a major option for the studio. The question is whether he really was that close to getting it. I personally never thought so, but at the very least I'm sure he wasn't completely making up the rumor.

If he did, his site, and his livelihood would be complete f'd by a lie this big.

[avidreader]

They use Dvorak in the UK, I believe...

I could be wrong, but I thought I'd read their keyboard layout is different and it's more than the £ being on the keyboard.

Aussie keyboards have both the pound and the dollar sign. Even though our currency is dollars. But the keyboard layout is qwerty.

[rumpuso]

People need to back off this idea that Robert made that story up. I think he heard the very real truth that Welling was a major option for the studio. The question is whether he really was that close to getting it. I personally never thought so, but at the very least I'm sure he wasn't completely making up the rumor.

If he did, his site, and his livelihood would be complete f'd by a lie this big.

If you are referring to my post, you are misunderstanding my rant. I'm not griping about Robert's misinformation, I'm griping that he divulged it before it was confirmed since it has once again fanned the flames (prematurely) for the zillions of fans who feel Welling should unquestionably don the cape. It just stinks to have someone get the Welling fans' hopes all riled up unnecessarily.

You were actually the only or one of the only voices of reason who told everyone to pull back on getting their hopes up because the rumors looked to be unsubstantiated. But once that train starts rolling, it's hard not to hold out for that glimmer of hope.

[triplet]

Hey, Craig is playing with the rumor a bit...

Hopefully this will bring some needed levity:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/deancaincure10.htm

[Zing79]

If you are referring to my post, you are misunderstanding my rant. I'm not griping about Robert's misinformation, I'm griping that he divulged it before it was confirmed since it has once again fanned the flames (prematurely) for the zillions of fans who feel Welling should unquestionably don the cape. It just stinks to have someone get the Welling fans' hopes all riled up unnecessarily.

You were actually the only or one of the only voices of reason who told everyone to pull back on getting their hopes up because the rumors looked to be unsubstantiated. But once that train starts rolling, it's hard not to hold out for that glimmer of hope.
Don't kid yourself...no man has ever wanted to be more wrong then I was the last month :)

[The Incredible Hulk]

Hey, Craig is playing with the rumor a bit...

Hopefully this will bring some needed levity:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/deancaincure10.htm

LOL Craig was really on a roll there with those image captions :D

[avidreader]

LOL Craig was really on a roll there with those image captions :D

That was the first time that I think I've actually laughed at his captions.

[Serene]

That was the first time that I think I've actually laughed at his captions.

I did too. :D He's getting better at those.

[Showtime]

People need to back off this idea that Robert made that story up. I think he heard the very real truth that Welling was a major option for the studio. The question is whether he really was that close to getting it. I personally never thought so, but at the very least I'm sure he wasn't completely making up the rumor.

If he did, his site, and his livelihood would be complete f'd by a lie this big.

It wasn't that he was making up the rumor it was that his source(S) were wrong the entire time and kept misleading him, most likely unintentionally. Welling was probably a studio choice that was floated around, just as he was during previous Superman projects, but when Miller came on that was the end of that.

Whomever came up with the idea that the Welling rumors were fabricated leaks that WB put forward to find the holes in the damn must think we are all stupid.

[AgentPat]

Hey, Craig is playing with the rumor a bit...

Hopefully this will bring some needed levity:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/deancaincure10.htmThat was hysterical!!! Thanks, Trip! :D :up:

[Docker2.0]

Not that this is relevant anymore since Tom isn't going to be Superman, but Buddy TV has posted an article on the Friday Night Lights actors vying for the superhero roles for Justice League. In the article, it mentions that Miller will announce the actors in their respective roles sometime this week.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/friday-night-lights/friday-night-lights-stars-vie-12494.aspx

yeah so I was right! it will be announced this week...................................if I was right about that..................Damn WB! :csad:

[KalKai]

It wasn't that he was making up the rumor it was that his source(S) were wrong the entire time and kept misleading him, most likely unintentionally. Welling was probably a studio choice that was floated around, just as he was during previous Superman projects, but when Miller came on that was the end of that.

Did you ask Rob? Cause I'm pretty sure Rob would disagree with that. He has expressed on many occasions how these particular sources of his were never wrong before & that he has his absolute trust in them.

[Showtime]

Did you ask Rob? Cause I'm pretty sure Rob would disagree with that. He has expressed on many occasions how these particular sources of his were never wrong before & that he has his absolute trust in them.

...so Welling was cast as Superman?

[KalKai]

...so Welling was cast as Superman?

Show me a quote from Rob where he said that Tom would be Superman in JL with 100% certainty.

[KalKai]

And nobody was cast as Superman, yet.

[Showtime]

Show me a quote from Rob where he said that Tom would be Superman in JL with 100% certainty.

Are you serious?

[KalKai]

Answer me? lol.

[Showtime]

He went on live tv and announced it...

[KalKai]

Rob used words like "indications", "most likely", "what we're hearing", "right now we're pretty confident" - that doesn't sound like he was 100% certain to me.

[Showtime]

Oh I see, so he has to write or say he is 100% certain that Tom Welling has been cast or he is not held repsonsible. That makes sense.

Who are you even defending at this point? You're defense is that Rob really didn't think Welling was certain this entire time...I really don't get it.

[KalKai]

Rob was never certain of anything, each day that went by he was just telling us what he was hearing. On the other hand, you're claiming (and speculating) his sources were wrong the entire time & kept misleading him, you think Rob's gonna agree with that?

[AgentPat]

It wasn't that he was making up the rumor it was that his source(S) were wrong the entire time and kept misleading him, most likely unintentionally. Welling was probably a studio choice that was floated around, just as he was during previous Superman projects, but when Miller came on that was the end of that.

Whomever came up with the idea that the Welling rumors were fabricated leaks that WB put forward to find the holes in the damn must thing we are all stupid.If you had contacts in the business who gave you scoops about things that haven't been officially announced yet, and FIVE different people who've never been wrong are telling you the same things, what reason would you have to NOT believe them? If you then find out the CW source, Clint from Moviehole, and some poster on another message board with solid contacts in the business are also hearing what you're hearing, you're probably going to start believing it yourself, right? This would especially be the case after things you've been told start coming true: Miler as director, casting calls, live action vs. mocap, etc. Put yourself in Sanchez's shoes. Everybody was saying yes yes Welling's in, despite one person sayin no no, he's not - and that one person was Al Gough..

So everything is going along just fine, and then BANG, Welling's out. You're thinking, WTF? What just happened? Rumors start spreading about Gough. Two weeks later, you start to hear rumblings again - from your OWN sources as well as others - that, well maybe, he's not out after all. Supposedly, they're back chatting again. Then Gough comes back like gangbusters, spitting teeth angry that the rumors aren't true, even though Welling's reps have changed their response from "not happening" to "no comment." Then all sources clam up; nobody is talking. NOBODY. Again you think, WTF?

Topping everything off, you then get solid casting information - from a rival studio no less - that Miller is looking at a bunch of teenyboppers for key roles. You scratch your head but post it anyway. You hear that Welling is definitely out, but you don't post that because you really want it confirmed this time. Then two days later, THR prints the casting news officially, adding more kiddy names to the audition list. In the span of two months, you've gone from "this is amazing" to "check please?"

C'mon Show. This WHOLE situation had "bizarre" written all over it. The ONLY person to comment on the rumors officially (besides Gough) has been the dude from DC Comics. And he didn't even really comment on Welling's situation other than to say they wouldn't consider him because it would be too confusing. It's less confusing to go with a third Superman though. If the comment wasn't so ridiculous, it would be laughable.

The whole thing has been a complete clusterbeep since day one. Jayne and Sanchez may have got the rumors on the Net, but the leaks STARTED at Warners. Jayne and Sanchez didn't make it up, and their sources didn't make it up. Something went down, it got real ugly, and now Warners is trying to sweep it under the rug by hoping people will buy an easy answer. NOTHING is that easy. Nothing.

[Showtime]

If you had contacts in the business who gave you scoops about things that haven't been officially announced yet, and FIVE different people who've never been wrong are telling you the same things, what reason would you have to NOT believe them? If you then find out the CW source, Clint from Moviehole, and some poster on another message board with solid contacts in the business are also hearing what you're hearing, you're probably going to start believing it yourself, right? This would especially be the case after things you've been told start coming true: Miler as director, casting calls, live action vs. mocap, etc. Put yourself in Sanchez's shoes. Everybody was saying yes yes Welling's in, despite one person sayin no no, he's not - and that one person was Al Gough

I am not blaming Sanchez though, and I hate to say this, but I am not blaming Jayne either. Their sources were obviously wrong, when they became wrong is the point of contention but that will come out in time. I hope you don't really believe that Al Gough derailed Tom being in a JLA movie by his lonesome.

So everything is going along just fine, and then BANG, Welling's out. You're thinking, WTF? What just happened? Rumors start spreading about Gough. Two weeks later, you start to hear rumblings again - from your OWN sources as well as others - that, well maybe, he's not out after all. Supposedly, they're back chatting again. Then Gough comes back like gangbusters, spitting teeth angry that the rumors aren't true, even though Welling's reps have changed their response from "not happening" to "no comment." Then all sources clam up; nobody is talking. NOBODY. Again you think, WTF?

Topping everything off, you then get solid casting information - from a rival studio no less - that Miller is looking at a bunch of teenyboppers for key roles. You scratch your head but post it anyway. You hear that Welling is definitely out, but you don't post that because you really want it confirmed this time. Then two days later, THR prints the casting news officially, adding more kiddy names to the audition list. In the span of two months, you've gone from "this is amazing" to "check please?"

Which would lead one to believe that as soon as George Miller came aboard all bets were off. Supposedly Miller wanted and older cast, what happened to that? Maybe he was the one who wanted the younger cast all along. Maybe pressure from Nolan forced WB to pay up on Miller in order for him to accept a younger cast. It's all speculation, just like everything we are talking about, we don't know what really happened.

C'mon Show. This WHOLE situation had "bizarre" written all over it. The ONLY person to comment on the rumors officially (besides Gough) has been the dude from DC Comics. And he didn't even really comment on Welling's situation other than to say they wouldn't consider him because it would be too confusing. It's less confusing to go with a third Superman though. If the comment wasn't so ridiculous, it would be laughable.

The whole thing has been a complete clusterbeep since day one. Jayne and Sanchez may have got the rumors on the Net, but the leaks STARTED at Warners. Jayne and Sanchez didn't make it up, and their sources didn't make it up. Something went down, it got real ugly, and now Warners is trying to sweep it under the rug by hoping people will buy an easy answer. NOTHING is that easy. Nothing.

I don't understand where you are coming from. Where did I ever say that Jayne or Rob were making up their sources? I said the fact that Welling leaks were thrown out there on purpose by WB to find out who was leaking info was ridiculous.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Pat, clean out your PM's dangit :mad:

[Showtime]

Rob was never certain of anything, each day that went by he was just telling us what he was hearing. On the other hand, you're claiming (and speculating) his sources were wrong the entire time & kept misleading him, you think Rob's gonna agree with that?

I didn't realize that Rob's sources needed a defense team, so you are defending Rob's sources? I still don't get it. Sources sometimes come from different areas of the businesses and put out pieces of a puzzle to be put together. I didn't realize they were always right, when things change in Hollywood like they do. If Rob is saying that his sources are right all the time and he had trust in them, they were wrong this time though? That is why I don't understand your point.

What do I care if Rob agrees with my speculations or theories or not? All we do on the boards is speculate, I see you do it everyday, now we need Rob's permission to speculate or make claims? I never stated anything I said as fact, it says "probably" right in my post, just like Rob said Welling will "probably" be Superman right? There are people on this board claiming and speculating that Al Gough ruined the entire thing, and there is no proof of that either. What is your point?

[KalKai]

You should care since you keep bringing him up alongside his sources, ask him directly. It also says "obviously" in your other post, is that speculating too?

[Showtime]

You should care since you keep bringing him up alongside his sources, ask him directly. It also says "obviously" in your other post, is that speculating too?

Well they are HIS sources, why wouldn't I bring him up. So you're defending Rob, is that the rub? I still don't get it.

Well if Welling is not cast as Superman, then how were his sources right about him being cast as Superman...wouldn't they obviously be wrong? :huh:

I still don't get it, what is your argument?

[KalKai]

Well they are HIS sources, why wouldn't I bring him up. So you're defending Rob, is that the rub? I still don't get it.

Well if Welling is not cast as Superman, then how were his sources right about him being cast as Superman...wouldn't they obviously be wrong? :huh:

I still don't get it, what is your argument?

I'm not defending anyone. My point is, why speculate when you can just ask him if his sources were wrong the entire time or not like you're claiming? Or since Miller came on board?

How can his sources be wrong when they never gave any kind of confirmation that Welling would be cast? How can his sources be right or wrong when things change all the time in Hollywood? :huh:

[Showtime]

I'm not defending anyone. My point is, why speculate when you can just ask him if his sources were wrong the entire time or not like you're claiming? Or since Miller came on board?

How can his sources be wrong when they never gave any kind of confirmation that Welling would be cast? How can his sources be right or wrong when things change all the time in Hollywood? :huh:

I am trying to get this straight, I am not allowed to speculate or propose theories on a forum, instead I have to go and ask people the questions directly. Got it. That makes sense.

People can claim that Al Gough is the devil and ruined the project but they don't have to go and call up Al Gough, and even when he makes a statement...twice, he is lying. That makes sense too.

It all makes sense now, sources can't be wrong, they are either right or it's blamed on Hollywood.

I am going to use what I learned from you today and apply it to my life. Thanks.

[KalKai]

You're allowed to speculate all you want, but then you start throwing words like "obviously", and it stops sounding like speculation. If it's so obvious to you then that's great.

You clearly don't know Al Gough well enough if you expected each person to believe every word he said.

[Lighthouse]

Pringles.

[KalKai]

Pringles.

:cmad:

[Showtime]

You're allowed to speculate all you want, but then you start throwing words like "obviously", and it stops sounding like speculation. If it's so obvious to you then that's great.

You clearly don't know Al Gough well enough if you expected each person to believe every word he said.

So you're picking on that one word? Wow. :csad:

If Tom Welling is not cast, and sources said that Tom Welling was going to be cast, then they're wrong. Obviously.:huh:

If you've read any of my previous posts I have nothing against Rob, in fact I have been saying over and over again that he was the only reliable one in regards to JLA news. Even if Welling has turned out to be untrue, look at his track record, its practically spotless. Ask Patty, she'll tell you. :yay:

Also I have already asked Rob previously about his sources on IESB, and I don't think it's far fetched to think a director wants to choose his own cast. :dry:

I didn't expect anybody to believe anything Al Gough said, but you should check with him before making any zany claims Kai. Just a suggestion. :cwink:

[KBX]

The worst thing that Sanchez did was to go on live Television and announce that Welling is a "lock" to be in the new JL movie.... Maybe thats why the WB is pissed at him. Maybe thats why they are now spreading out false info. Maybe thats why the supposed talks with Welling broke down.

[KalKai]

I didn't expect anybody to believe anything Al Gough said, but you should check with him before making any zany claims Kai. Just a suggestion. :cwink:

People can claim that Al Gough is the devil and ruined the project but they don't have to go and call up Al Gough, and even when he makes a statement...twice, he is lying. That makes sense too.

I wasn't part of that group, I kept my mouth shut & observed. :cwink:

[Showtime]

Well I applaud you on that if that is the case...

[AgentPat]

Pat, clean out your PM's dangit :mad:Done. Hit me.

I think Trip tried to send me one earlier too, so...

Dang in-box fills up faster than the Mississippi on a warm spring day. :mad: :D

I hope you don't really believe that Al Gough derailed Tom being in a JLA movie by his lonesome.It's just one of many theories that are no less or no more plausible than another. And like the speculation involving intentionally leaked rumors - real or otherwise - it's something that nobody should rule out. Because if you believe Welling was at least considered, then everything from Gough's rants to Noveck's nonsense has to be thrown out the window.

Which would lead one to believe that as soon as George Miller came aboard all bets were off.That would make sense if it wasn't for the fact Miller was unofficially attached to the project before Sanchez even mentioned Welling. I believe Latino Review first broke the Miller news. Sanchez confirmed it with 100% assurance. Then he started talking about Welling...

Supposedly Miller wanted and older cast, what happened to that?It was round filed with the mocap rumors?

Maybe he was the one who wanted the younger cast all along.Wonder Twins, Activate!! Remember THAT rumor? Geeze, this crap is amazing, init? :D

Maybe pressure from Nolan forced WB to pay up on Miller in order for him to accept a younger cast.Ooooo! That's a good one. See? I bet we could do this all night. (not being facetious)

It's all speculation, just like everything we are talking about, we don't know what really happened. Agreed, which is why we cant rule anything out despite the simplistic answers Warner Bros... nay... DC Comics would have us believe.

I don't understand where you are coming from. Where did I ever say that Jayne or Rob were making up their sources?I didn't say you did. I was just pointing out my belief that nobody on their end was intentionally lying.

I said the fact that Welling leaks were thrown out there on purpose by WB to find out who was leaking info was ridiculous.I don't think it's ridiculous. I think it's possible. Maybe not likely, but certainly possible.

This crap hit the fan like a manure truck on the Audobon. If Gough was pissed, can you imagine the suits at Warners? The alternative is they *wanted* all this to happen, which to me sounds more ridiculous than planting a few fake rumors in order to catch the snitches breaking their NDAs. Because at that point, the rumors were in full swing. What's another day going to matter? Apparently not much, 'cause soon after that last volley, everything went dark.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably not a chiwawa. :p

[Showtime]

All I can say Patty...at this point, is I think I am drained. From Superman Returns to MOS to JLA this has been exhausting to follow. I guess nothing is to far from being true and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

What I can say with some certainty, is that if some of these casting rumors turn out to be true, I am not sure if I am going to be happy. I am certainly not a huge supporter of Smallville or Welling as the faithful in these parts have been, but I can tell you, if they passed over Welling for some of these rumored actors then WB has failed each and every one of you. If Rob and Jayne's sources were indeed right on and Gough or Miller one upped WB, then WB doesn't understand it's fan base.

I know some of you didn't like Routh or didn't like Superman Returns, but they have a fanbase for Routh and Returns, just as they have a fanbase for Smallville and Welling. If they passed up the opportunity to cast Welling and Routh, and there is no Superman Returns sequel and Tom doesn't get to wear the tights at all in the show, it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

[Mig-El]

This is getting depressing... My excitement for JL has dramatically declined after this whole casting debacle. Maybe someday, Tom will wear the tights. There's a lot of people I know who see him as Superman and were excited... maybe someday the rest of the world will too.

[AgentPat]

All I can say Patty...at this point, is I think I am drained. From Superman Returns to MOS to JLA this has been exhausting to follow. I guess nothing is to far from being true and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

What I can say with some certainty, is that if some of these casting rumors turn out to be true, I am not sure if I am going to be happy. I am certainly not a huge supporter of Smallville or Welling as the faithful in these parts have been, but I can tell you, if they passed over Welling for some of these rumored actors then WB has failed each and every one of you. If Rob and Jayne's sources were indeed right on and Gough or Miller one upped WB, then WB doesn't understand it's fan base.

I know some of you didn't like Routh or didn't like Superman Returns, but they have a fanbase for Routh and Returns, just as they have a fanbase for Smallville and Welling. If they passed up the opportunity to cast Welling and Routh, and there is no Superman Returns sequel and Tom doesn't get to wear the tights at all in the show, it makes no sense to me whatsoever.Y'know what? I couldn't have said it any better.

I too am drained - and I pretty much gave up on the whole kit and caboodle last night. I'd like an answer of course - a believable one - but I think we've all done enough pissing and moaning.

The "confusion" argument is nonsense. Even people who thought BB was a prequel to Batman '89 STILL enjoyed the film. They went back for repeat viewings, they recommended the pic to their friends, and they bought the DVDs. The entire audience could have been confused about which continuity they were watching, but it wouldn't change how they felt about the film on an entertainment level. So to Noveck I say, blow it out your ear. :)

I can't even buy the whole "it's the director's vision" argument. Certainly with Singer, I could. HIS team wrote the screenplay to SR. HE pitched the film to Warner Bros. HE was the one who convinced them to go with his ideas, effectively ending the McG era. But JL was initiated by Warner Bros. themselves. THEY contracted the Mulrooneys to write the script. THEY negotiated the legal mumbo jumbo in order to get all seven characters together on the screen in one film. And THEY offered the helm to George Miller, supposedly one of a few directors who were approached. So wouldn't Miller have signed on KNOWING what Warner Bros. wanted him to do? I mean, besides just direct the film? Wouldn't they TELL him certain actors were to be offered the roles first? And if he doesn't like it, there's the door?

Finally, the "rumor" that Warners would want Welling to head up a JL film is less rumor to me than it is a logical conclusion. Sure, I'm a fan, and yes, I'm biased, but they'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind to NOT see the kind of support the guy gets for playing a character that *technically* he doesn't play yet. What other actors - television or film - have gotten the kind of support Welling has by fans to play a character he has yet to play, and not been offered the role, never mind be cast? I don't get out much, so I'd like to hear a few examples on this question to have something to compare to. Anybody? Buehler?

Somebody WAY upthread said something the other day that gave me a good chuckle, but then I started thinking about it and I hope it happens. When Welling finishes up SV this season or next, I'd be willing to bet Fox grabs him for the lead in one of their larger films. Not necessarily a comic book pic, but something relatively big nonetheless. Welling already has a VERY amicable relationship with Fox, and Fox LOVES to burn Warner Bros. any chance they can get, so I could see that happening. Fox and Warners ARE the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry of Hollywood.


PS: Dang Red Sox.... http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/grumble2.gif



Nighters, Show!

[Superman_]

Welling needs to try out for Captain America I kepp saying it Welling has the perfect body and look and acting skills to play both 616 Cap or Ultimate Cap.

[Serene]

Somebody WAY upthread said something the other day that gave me a good chuckle, but then I started thinking about it and I hope it happens. When Welling finishes up SV this season or next, I'd be willing to bet Fox grabs him for the lead in one of their larger films. Not necessarily a comic book pic, but something relatively big nonetheless. Welling already has a VERY amicable relationship with Fox, and Fox LOVES to burn Warner Bros. any chance they can get, so I could see that happening.


That would be SO sweet. As much as I want to see Tom as :supes: that chance seems to have been snubbed and put away completely. So, it's time for movin' on (after SV, of course).

[rumpuso]

That would be SO sweet. As much as I want to see Tom as :supes: that chance seems to have been snubbed and put away completely. So, it's time for movin' on (after SV, of course).

I think it's high time for moving on. Don't get me wrong, I am very fond of the wonderful times that Smallville has brought to us on screen, but JMHO...it feels like it's maybe time to wrap it up and let everyone move on. I read somewhere (here?) that Allison isn't interested in continuing on beyond this season. Michael's gone after season 7. Don't know about Kristin, Erica or John Glover. I know Tom is signed for season 8. But, the show doesn't feel like the same small town show with a boy who just happens to be the most powerful man on earth anymore. It seems like a perfect season to throw caution to the wind and give us a killer season send off. I don't want episodes like Fierce to taint what this crew of talented people have put together over the past 7 years.

And as for Tom, I love the idea of him playing a strong lead role in a film after Smallville. I do hope Fox grabs him up. He has lots of untapped potential to show us.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I know Kristen has said that she does want out of the show after this season. But thats all anyone knows. I guess money talks could change her mind but hopefully like Michael she has more dignity & leaves while she still can :o

[The Incredible Hulk]

the only way Smallville doesnt blow next season with 2 of their 3 leads gone is if they do the Birthright thing and have Clark traveling the world and have him in a new location (i.e. vancouver dressed up to look like somewhere else) every week like they did with David Banner on the old Hulk TV Show.

[Whiteflag]

Yes, it's time to move on. And I hope Tom moves on to bigger and better things. Or, at least, things that make him very happy! :heart:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

If Tom tried to move on from Smallville then G & M would more then likely take him to court due to his contract & force Tom to do Smallville as long as the CW keeps renewing it wether he wants to or not. Lets hope Tom does not sign any more contracts that last after Season 8. The only way Tom will be able to get out of Smallville is if he refuses to sign any contracts that go past an 8th season.

[triplet]

the only way Smallville doesnt blow next season with 2 of their 3 leads gone is if they do the Birthright thing and have Clark traveling the world and have him in a new location (i.e. vancouver dressed up to look like somewhere else) every week like they did with David Banner on the old Hulk TV Show.

Yeah, if the only people coming back are Erica, John and Tom... what else would make sense?

Taking some of the ideas from Birthright and having Clark do his tour of the planet, learning from the people he will someday protect, would be awesome.

[RakuMon]

the only way Smallville doesnt blow next season with 2 of their 3 leads gone is if they do the Birthright thing and have Clark traveling the world and have him in a new location (i.e. vancouver dressed up to look like somewhere else) every week like they did with David Banner on the old Hulk TV Show.

Agreed. But I highly doubt the Smallville showrunners would go that route.

[DvilDog]

Agreed. But I highly doubt the Smallville showrunners would go that route.


No I doubt they would either.... because its a good idea.

[musclesforsupes]

The quietness from Sanchez and CD girl is pissing me off:o

[OobeDoobBenubi]

They are quiet probably because there really is not much else to say or report until filming starts. We did the whole is Tom Superman or not thing for Justice League all god damn summer until this week. The ball is in WBs court now.

[The Incredible Hulk]

It's over muscles, just give it up.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

It's over muscles, just give it up.

Indeed the closest anyone will ever see Tom Welling as Superman is during the finale for 10 seconds. Unless Tom decides to dress up as Superman for Halloween one year.

[Superman_]

To be honest you never know if it is over or not. They can always shock us and announce Tom Welling as Superman for JLA or say he will be Superman for the reboot of the Superman movies. Now granted it may seem unlikely but there still is a chance.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Not happening

[Superman_]

Well I on going to follow the lyrics to that Journey song Don't stop believing
Hold on to the feeling.

Who knows it might just happen.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Nope

[Showtime]

Nope Squared.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Nope Cubed

[Superman_]

Well who knows stranger things have happened like Catwoman and FF4 getting a sequel and Wanted :cmad: god it pisses me off everytime I think about what they are doing to that movie :cmad:

[Showtime]

Nope Cubed

Nope to the 4th Power?

[zerohour films]

THIS JUST IN!!!!




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LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE CGI AFTER ALL! :woot:

Sorry, just bored I guess.

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL nice work :up:

[avidreader]

^^^^ Thanks for the laugh. :D

[zerohour films]

Not a problem. Been wanting to get that one finished and out for a couple days, but it's been too busy.

I figured we all could use a laugh about now with the mess surrounding this casting going on.

[Showtime]

Awesome man.

[triplet]

THIS JUST IN!!!!




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By zerohourfilms (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/zerohourfilms)



LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE CGI AFTER ALL! :woot:

Sorry, just bored I guess.

LOL!

:D

Brilliant....

[Tomwelling4sups]

Indeed the closest anyone will ever see Tom Welling as Superman is during the finale for 10 seconds. Unless Tom decides to dress up as Superman for Halloween one year.

Guess that's the only way people get cast these days :rolleyes:

[Tomwelling4sups]

THIS JUST IN!!!!




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By zerohourfilms (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/zerohourfilms)



LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE CGI AFTER ALL! :woot:

Sorry, just bored I guess.

lmfao :D

[Superman_]

Guess that's the only way people get cast these days :rolleyes: even though I like Routh that was funny.

[Docker2.0]

Welling needs to try out for Captain America I kepp saying it Welling has the perfect body and look and acting skills to play both 616 Cap or Ultimate Cap.

If WB found out that Marvel wanted Tom for the role or if he accepted it, they'd throw so much money at him to put him in the red cape. It's silly that they haven't been doing it now due to the overwhelming response he has had of being the favorite far and beyond. I really feel bad for Routh though. Dude is willing to don the tights again but WB is just treating him like a broke arse Cinderalla. :dry:

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Yeah the only way to me Warner can fix this mess (assuming he's definitly out of JLA) is to have another guy as Superman in JLA but announce they will relaunch MOS with Welling in it (and with another continuity and director,of course)...

[Zing79]

Yeah the only way to me Warner can fix this mess (assuming he's definitly out of JLA) is to have another guy as Superman in JLA but announce they will relaunch MOS with Welling in it (and with another continuity and director,of course)...
Or conversely they could assume there's nothing to fix, do nothing to appease anyone, and continue on doing things the hard way.

Which way do you think they'll go given previous history? :)

[Syncos]

Or conversely they could assume there's nothing to fix, do nothing to appease anyone, and continue on doing things the hard way.

Which way do you think they'll go given previous history? :)

Certainly not the rainbows and puppy dogs route.

[Showtime]

Or conversely they could assume there's nothing to fix, do nothing to appease anyone, and continue on doing things the hard way.

Which way do you think they'll go given previous history? :)

ZING!

[Superman_]

Yeah the only way to me Warner can fix this mess (assuming he's definitly out of JLA) is to have another guy as Superman in JLA but announce they will relaunch MOS with Welling in it (and with another continuity and director,of course)...More then likely if Welling is not doing JLA then he won't be Superman. You'll either have the new guy take over for both films or keep Routh for the solo movies and keep the other guy for the team ups.

[Syncos]

More then likely if Welling is not doing JLA then he won't be Superman. You'll either have the new guy take over for both films or keep Routh for the solo movies and keep the other guy for the team ups.

Or Justice League will fail, and you wont see this new guy as Superman again.

[Captain_BluTac]

sure

[Captain_BluTac]

why not

[The Incredible Hulk]

More then likely if Welling is not doing JLA then he won't be Superman. You'll either have the new guy take over for both films or keep Routh for the solo movies and keep the other guy for the team ups.

you havent been paying attention

[Superman_]

Or Justice League will fail, and you wont see this new guy as Superman again.if JL fails then Singer will more then likely get his MOS and then if that fails more then likely they will wait another 5 to 10 years to re release a Superman movie.

[Superman_]

you haven't been paying attentionNo I have been I am just saying their is still a chance for Welling even though it is slim there is still a chance.

[DvilDog]

No I have been I am just saying their is still a chance for Welling even though it is slim there is still a chance.


His chances of being superman for jla or anything else for that matter are only slightly better than my 0% chance of being casted as Superman

[Superman_]

You never know what the future may hold. There is still the chance of DTV movies or doing a Cartoon Superman movie. All I say is never give up hope it my look dark now for alot of Welling fans but you never know what the future may hold.

[Captain_BluTac]

the future is bleak

[Superman_]

maybe this will cheer you up :joker:
http://www.internetisseriousbusiness.com/

[ZIPBAGS]

It would be funny if when casting is announced. They annouce Welling as Supes. Saying that. I know their is no chance of it happening. :)

[KBX]

Or Justice League will fail, and you wont see this new guy as Superman again.

I like Welling and all, but if he isn't cast as Superman, this movie can still be ridiculously good....

[Zing79]

I believe the casting options that were announced might be completely fake. There's no way one of those people could be part of the big three given what we've heard already.

Something's not adding up. Either those people auditioning are for real (as it pertains to the big three), and the movie is going to be more on the light hearted side, which would mean the tone of the movie can't remain one with so much death and destruction (see Flash/Maxwell Lord) as previously rumored.
-or-
The tone of the movie hasn't changed, and that cast list is fake (at least as it pertains to the big three) since it doesn't really jive with the previously rumored plot points.

Of course there's one last "-or-" i might be missing: WB are morons. But even I'm not willing to believe they're this stupid.

[Serene]

I believe the casting options that were announced might be completely fake. There's no way one of those people could be part of the big three given what we've heard already.

I think Porter's name on the list is genuine, although I agree with you, maybe he's not Big 3 material. I still think he's more likely going for Flash or GL. His myspace still has a picture of him standing next to a picture of Flash and next to his picture he's written: "I wanna be a SuperHero....Pray for me." He seems to be a pretty religious guy, I looked at his blogs and he mentions prayer quite a few time.

It's funny, his myspace song is called "Hero" and starts out "Will you, let me, be your hero.." and he has one of those "Which Superhero Are You" memes that shows him as being the Flash.

I like him. He's a SV fan. :)

[KBX]

I believe the casting options that were announced might be completely fake. There's no way one of those people could be part of the big three given what we've heard already.

Something's not adding up. Either those people auditioning are for real (as it pertains to the big three), and the movie is going to be more on the light hearted side, which would mean the tone of the movie can't remain one with so much death and destruction (see Flash/Maxwell Lord) as previously rumored.
-or-
The tone of the movie hasn't changed, and that cast list is fake (at least as it pertains to the big three) since it doesn't really jive with the previously rumored plot points.

Of course there's one last "-or-" i might be missing: WB are morons. But even I'm not willing to believe they're this stupid.

Porter is not Superman, DJ is not Batman and Minka is not WW. They auditioned for the JL movie, but not as those characters.

Porter might have auditioned for the Flash, Minka maybe for Talia, and no clue who DJ might me.... People are getting up in arms for no reason at all.

[Prison Mike]

so when will the official announcement be? I'm mostly curious about Superman and Batman casting.

[KBX]

so when will the official announcement be? I'm mostly curious about Superman and Batman casting.

I know we've heard it before but sometime within a week....

seriously....

[Paradoxium]

Or conversely they could assume there's nothing to fix, do nothing to appease anyone, and continue on doing things the hard way.

Which way do you think they'll go given previous history? :)

Dude its totally simple, they are going to cast Bale as Superman, get Vin Diesel to replace Welling in Smallville, and have Welling portray Lex Luthor in MoS! :wow:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I would think that Superman & Batman & the Martian Manhunter would be the ones that need to be the oldest of the group & maybe Wonder Woman but she is immortal sooooooooooo.

[KBX]

I would think that Superman & Batman & the Martian Manhunter would be the ones that need to be the oldest of the group & maybe Wonder Woman but she is immortal sooooooooooo.

I can see WW, Flash, Superman as the young ones...

MM, Aquanman, GL, Batman as the older ones...

[Migu-EL]

I'm going to be an old man by the time a new Superman movie is released in the theaters.:csad: