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AgentPat

10-23-2007, 09:31 PM

Well for me like I said out of all of the rumored ladies for me shes the best oneHer eyes are weird. There, I said it. She looks... odd to me. Sometimes that's a good thing - and maybe that's what they saw in her - but she's not doing it for me as WW at ALL.

I live in FEAR waiting to see who they've cast as Bats and Supes. <- hyperbole to make a point, but this re-heeeeely sux.

Serene

10-23-2007, 09:33 PM

The script spoilers are flowing like crazy at IESB right NOW, so read 'em now before Robert deletes 'em LOL. He's threatened to do so if they get out of hand. I'm riding the refresh button every 30 seconds as we speak LOLOL!!! ;)

Oh good, I'm glad you're saving them. I'm afraid I'll miss them. Keep posting the *important* ones here. This is like a little hidden haven of amassed JL information - just as it's the same for SV. :D

I think I'll cry if it's not TW, but I'm prepared for it if they cast somebody else. I already know who I don't want - Routh goes w/o saying!!!! And not for nothing, but so does Cavill. Blech. The Friday Night Light's guy is utterly bland, and Cavs is FAR too old. Sorry, MJZ. Not for me. A complete unknown... *sigh* Yeah, yeah, Chris Reeve and all that jazz. Whatever. I've found that it's VERY rare to see lightning strike twice in Hollywood.

I'm with you on Tom and Routh, of course, but I'd be happy with Cavill. He's matured extreeemely nicely, and I think he's got a great look and presence for Supes. I like Cavs a lot as an actor, but not for this. An unknown just worries me - too much room for error. :ninja:

Ut oh... potential bad news. Prepare yourselves....

I'm going back into zen mode on all this. I hope and pray it's Tom, but if not, I'm ... oh, hell.. I'll be PISSED. But I'll get over it. I hope it's someone wonderful regardless, this sounds like it has the potential to be an incredible movie.

Serene

10-23-2007, 09:33 PM

IMO, its not over till WB sends out a press release. :)

QFT, baby. :up:

Legend Killer

10-23-2007, 09:34 PM

I don't think Winstead comes CLOSE to looking like WW, and her casting is a great big strike one for me...

Same here. Acting-wise, the only thing I've seen her in was Sky High. She just doesn't seem to have the on screen presence needed to play WW, IMO.

Well for me like I said out of all of the rumored ladies for me shes the best one

Who else is being considered? The only other name I've heard was Teresa Palmer.

triplet

10-23-2007, 09:34 PM

Well, from what that hollywoodinsider guy said (if he can be believed) the announcement will come before the 18th so I hope he's right.

I'm not sure I can take much more of this roller coaster ride...

http://www.jelks.nu/misc/emotion/att00019.jpg

Prison Mike

10-23-2007, 09:35 PM

with all the script info leaking, it's just a matter of time before they announce the official cast. Hopefully soon, like right NOW!!!

rumpuso

10-23-2007, 09:35 PM

Ut oh... potential bad news. Prepare yourselves....

That's a bummer. I was holding on to my last sliver of hope. :(

Serene

10-23-2007, 09:36 PM

^Tighten 'em up, folks. It's going to be a bumpy ride!

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/46/41/23304146.jpg

triplet

10-23-2007, 09:38 PM

That's a bummer. I was holding on to my last sliver of hope. :(

The guy said "I don't think" Tom is in it.... If this is all true, then he knows a lot but maybe not everything.

Don't lose hope.

Not yet, not until the official announcement.

bootspark

10-23-2007, 09:38 PM

WB doesnt want to make the same mistake again by casting an unknown like Routh.

WB is going to cast BIG or semi-known names for Superman and Batman.

bootspark

10-23-2007, 09:40 PM

Its time for you know who to come out of hiding....

master of riddles, are you there? I want some PIZZA!

ZIPBAGS

10-23-2007, 09:40 PM

More...

There's three main villains: Max Lord and Ra's al Ghul are the first two. The third is the one referenced in my last spoiler post. He hasn't been named yet, but it's not Darkseid. Also, Robert just confirmed all of these spoilers are the REAL deal. OMG, hallelujah!!!

Now, for the love of all that's holy, just get the casting right. I will be sooooo freakin' depressed if they screw the pooch again, especially this time since the story sounds awesome so far.

Read the spoiler....
Condiment King!!!
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7923/condimentkingiy2.jpg

:woot:

AgentPat

10-23-2007, 09:42 PM

Same here. Acting-wise, the only thing I've seen her in was Sky High. She just doesn't seem to have the on screen presence needed to play WW, IMO.I saw her in that as well as Die Hard 4. She's okay, but she's no Wonder Woman. A great big NO on her, but oh well. With seven protagonists, there's no WAY they're gonna please everybody.

Who else is being considered? The only other name I've heard was Teresa Palmer.Honestly? I haven't been paying attention. I thought Biel was a great choice because she's got the body and the 'tude, but that went crash and burn as everybody knows. Ack.

Well, from what that hollywoodinsider guy said (if he can be believed) the announcement will come before the 18th so I hope he's right.

I'm not sure I can take much more of this roller coaster ride...Other than the script spoilers, that was the one piece of awesome news he had. It'll be over soon. Thank GOODNESS.

triplet

10-23-2007, 09:43 PM

Its time for you know who to come out of hiding....

master of riddles, are you there? I want some PIZZA!

You're right!

JackMercy should come out and play...

:D

bootspark

10-23-2007, 09:43 PM

JackMercy.....are you there?

triplet

10-23-2007, 09:45 PM

I saw her in that as well as Die Hard 4. She's okay, but she's no Wonder Woman. A great big NO on her, but oh well. With seven protagonists, there's no WAY they're gonna please everybody.

Honestly? I haven't been paying attention. I thought Biel was a great choice because she's got the body and the 'tude, but that went crash and burn as everybody knows. Ack.

I don't really care about Wonder Woman, she maybe isn't quite what I had in mind but she looks pretty good.

Other than the script spoilers, that was the one piece of awesome news he had. It'll be over soon. Thank GOODNESS.

Quoted for Truth!

:up:

OobeDoobBenubi

10-23-2007, 09:47 PM

The thing about Superman is the only name we have heard for him is Tom Welling. Scott tried out for The Flash & not Superman like everyone originally believed. Warner Brothers is being extremely quiet over Superman. We have Batman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, The Flash rumors but not Superman aside from one.

bootspark

10-23-2007, 09:49 PM

Serene

10-23-2007, 09:52 PM

I just skimmed through the IESB thread and this HwoodInsider guy says that the big villain at the end is "right under our noses" and he says that it will "crush Batman" - Could he mean, Alfred since he mentioned him earlier and that's the only one I can imagine that would crush Batman.

*Using spoilers because this really isn't a spoiler thread for the JL movie. Some people might not want to read any possible spoilers, even this early.

bootspark

10-23-2007, 09:54 PM

No. It wont be him. Everyone would walk out of the theater in disgust.

Legend Killer

10-23-2007, 09:56 PM

I saw her in that as well as Die Hard 4. She's okay, but she's no Wonder Woman. A great big NO on her, but oh well. With seven protagonists, there's no WAY they're gonna please everybody.

I forgot she was in that. No offense to her acting, but you need an actress who can hold her own with whoever is casted for Superman and Batman. And she's definitely not it, IMO.

Honestly? I haven't been paying attention. I thought Biel was a great choice because she's got the body and the 'tude, but that went crash and burn as everybody knows. Ack.

With everything going on with casting Supes, I havent been paying too much attention to WW's casting either. If it couldnt be Jennifer Connely (Yeah I know, will never happen) I would have loved to see Biel play WW. :csad:

\S/JcDc\S/

10-23-2007, 09:58 PM

I'd be happy with Cavill. He's matured extreeemely nicely, and I think he's got a great look and presence for Supes.

I'm with ya on that. :up:

AgentPat

10-23-2007, 10:01 PM

I forgot she was in that. No offense to her acting, but you need an actress who can hold her own with whoever is casted for Superman and Batman. And she's definitely not it, IMO.

With everything going on with casting Supes, I havent been paying too much attention to WW's casting either. If it couldnt be Jennifer Connely (Yeah I know, will never happen) I would have loved to see Biel play WW. :csad:We are SO on the same page on this one.

Oh well.

Anyhoo, getting back to the spoilers, Hwoodinsider has not revealed...

the third villain yet, but he will later on tonight. I think he's having fun seeing if people can guess who it is.

It's not Darkseid...

Not the Joker

who would want revenge?

everything is not as it seems, we all think it Ras until the third act and then the big WTF?

Bryan Singer is the Villain. :D Just kidding, couldn't resist.

Not Scarecrow, dude, its right under your noses.

Some people could say that JLA, while not directly a sequel to Batman Begins does have some elements from it.

Not Earle, Batman will be crushed when its revealed.I'm thinking Gordon.

Caboose, good point.

Boots, yeah, we need an appearance by the Great JM. I'm sure he's watching from Mt Olympus as we speak. :D :p

Serene

10-23-2007, 10:04 PM

With everything going on with casting Supes, I havent been paying too much attention to WW's casting either. If it couldnt be Jennifer Connely (Yeah I know, will never happen) I would have loved to see Biel play WW. :csad:
I always liked Biel for the role too. I saw some recent pictures of both Winstead and Connelly at some shindig this past weekend. Connelly was always my first choice, but I'd have to lean more towards Winstead at this point - especially if they are going for the younger cast.

I also saw a picture of Megan Fox that was amazing. But she seems pretty tied to Transformers now.

I'm with ya on that. :up:
Stop agreeing with me, Jc - you're freaking me out. ;)

The Incredible Hulk

10-23-2007, 10:11 PM

Ut oh... potential bad news. Prepare yourselves....

wait, why do we believe a guy who calls himself hwoodinsider? :confused: Thats a bit obvious isnt it?? Not to mention this guy is pretty muich flaunting everything he allegedly knows. If you've learned one thing throughout this whole ordeal its that the people who know things arent talking much.

AgentPat

10-23-2007, 10:16 PM

wait, why do we believe a guy who calls himself hwoodinsider? :confused: Thats a bit obvious isnt it??LMAO!!! Always the optimist. Okay, here's me with a huge smile -> :D

I'll wait till the announcement. No sense in sweating it now; hwis didn't 100% confirm or unconfirm anything in terms of casting, so that's good.

AgentPat

10-23-2007, 10:17 PM

Speaking of optimists, where's Kai? Dude cracks me up when the rest of us get all flustered.

Serene

10-23-2007, 10:18 PM

wait, why do we believe a guy who calls himself hwoodinsider? :confused: Thats a bit obvious isnt it??

I thought the whole "you guys stew on this while I go out for drinks for a few hours" was rather manipulative. Who knows who to believe at this point.

bootspark

10-23-2007, 10:22 PM

hwoodinsider is Patrick. He use to run the "original" movie rumor site Coming Attractions from years ago. He is legit and does have major sources within the industry. I believe him.

Though he is being coy about Welling. Just like everyone else......:)

The Incredible Hulk

10-23-2007, 10:28 PM

LMAO!!! Always the optimist. Okay, here's me with a huge smile -> :D

I'll wait till the announcement. No sense in sweating it now; hwis didn't 100% confirm or unconfirm anything in terms of casting, so that's good.

hey I've already told you I think Welling is out, but this guy seems a little strange. Yeah Sanchez is saying everything he's saying his true but Sanchez has said a lot of things were true including the script that Clint got.

Something just bothers me about how he was threatening to post the "BIG" spoiler and then reveal all these villains. Why would he do that all of a sudden? And now he says he's going to reveal the 3rd villain and all of a sudden has to go out for drinks? Something aint right here.

AgentPat

10-23-2007, 10:29 PM

I thought the whole "you guys stew on this while I go out for drinks for a few hours" was rather manipulative. Who knows who to believe at this point.Robert confirmed the guy was legit. That's really all I needed to hear. Not knowing the answer to the spoiler question won't keep me up tonight; I really don't care one way or the other. I'd like to know because I'm a spoiler ho, but that's the only reason.

What WILL keep me up - and indeed HAS kept me up - is not knowing who they've cast as Superman. 'Cause lets face it, that's what people in THIS forum are waiting to hear. Script details are good to know - because nobody wants this to be a bad film - but spoilers are just icing. I want to know who's gonna play Big Blue!!! :mad: :(

Prison Mike

10-23-2007, 10:33 PM

yeah I can wait for the movie concerning the plot but I MUST KNOW about the Superman casting. Still hoping it's Tom!!

OobeDoobBenubi

10-23-2007, 10:47 PM

It almost seems like the WB allowed these story leaks to happen because so much attention has been with the casing.

AgentPat

10-23-2007, 10:57 PM

It almost seems like the WB allowed these story leaks to happen because so much attention has been with the casing.Not sure if it has anything to do with the casting - though teen America DID created quite a hullabaloo last week. Of course, it might be warranted if they really ARE casting young. I'd also put money on Warners likely getting pretty PO'd about the bad buzz caused from the first script leak, so it was time to plug the dam. Maybe that's why we'll be hearing casting news soon and won't have to wait till the 18th?

The hell is Jayne coming back? LOL I wish she'd get back on the horn with her guys. Seems like everybody has sources well connected - but in very narrow niches. HWIS guy knows about the script, but apparently not much about the casting. He really didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. Janye gets more tid bits on casting - which is what *I* have been interested in. And it doesn't hurt that she's had semi-good news about Welling.

ZIPBAGS

10-23-2007, 11:00 PM

It almost seems like the WB allowed these story leaks to happen because so much attention has been with the casing.

They should want this out. It sounds great and it will create great positive buzz among fans.

One more time.....

I want to believe this man can fly!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/GeneralKenobi05/Photo%20Manips/Welling7.jpg
:cwink:

Tomwelling4sups

10-23-2007, 11:23 PM

how about Hush for the third Villain? Maybe Batman's trusty mechanic Harold?

OobeDoobBenubi

10-23-2007, 11:26 PM

My guess is Talia for the third villian. Bruce & Talia could be dating & somewhere along the line she secretly finds out that Bruce is Batman & she uses his own technology & secret against him. That would crush Bruce. The third villian is supposed to be (right under Bruces nose)

Tomwelling4sups

10-23-2007, 11:30 PM

\S/JcDc\S/

10-24-2007, 12:20 AM

I always liked Biel for the role too. I saw some recent pictures of both Winstead and Connelly at some shindig this past weekend. Connelly was always my first choice, but I'd have to lean more towards Winstead at this point - especially if they are going for the younger cast.

I also saw a picture of Megan Fox that was amazing. But she seems pretty tied to Transformers now.

Stop agreeing with me, Jc - you're freaking me out. ;)

Ha ha, hey I always liked the idea of "Cavill for Kal-el" :D

Btw as for WW I must agree to those that say Monica Dean looks as close to her as a human can :eek:

http://www.monicadean.info/page.php?menu=3&id=3&category=PHOTO%20SHOOTINGS

Mig-El

10-24-2007, 12:28 AM

I'm one of the few I think that is far more concern about the story than casting. On a side note, I really don't have definitely choices for the casting other than Tom.
What I want to know is...Is it still safe to roam around iesb.net without spoiling myself? I haven't gone there much today and from what I've gathered here, there's bunch of spoillers. Anyone who have, please offer advice.

Showtime

10-24-2007, 12:29 AM

Rupert Evans Up for Justice League?
Source: L. October 23, 2007

Superhero Hype! received this unconfirmed rumor from a scooper going by the title 'L.' today:

Hey! I'm a big fan of your site, and I've always wanted to be a spy. Not in the literal, garrott wire and Russian murdering sense of course, but in the movie rumour way.

So, I thought you guys might be interested in this: About three weeks ago I got to go along to some casting sessions in soho for a movie called Justice League. I didn't know what it was until I saw the character list later. I would have figured it out earlier but with a movie like that one they don't let them actually read from the proper script until they're officially cast.

Anyway, we went through a whole bunch of British actors and some of them were pretty good. But I've heard today that one of them has been cast, or I guess is about to be cast, as Superman. I don't remember his audition, but I was out of the room for a lot of it. Anyway, the guy everyone is talking about is called Rupert Evans.

Hope that's interesting for you.

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 12:31 AM

Okay, this better not be true...

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/3176505.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193B3EA2C03450C948630BB338C2B3AE075 5A5397277B4DC33E

^ Recognize him? That's Rupert Evans - Hellboy's sidekick. Okay, read on...

Garth from Darkhorizons just posted the following:

"About three weeks ago some casting sessions took place in London's SoHo area for a movie called Justice League. I didn't know what it was until I saw the character list later. I would have figured it out earlier but with a movie like that one they don't let them actually read from the proper script until they're officially cast.

Anyway after going through a whole bunch of British actors, I heard today that one of them has been cast as Superman. Anyway, the guy everyone is talking about is called Rupert Evans."

The 30-year-old baby-faced British thesp is best remembered as rookie agent John Myers in Guillermo Del Toro's adaptation of the comic "Hellboy" in 2004. His other credits include "Guantanamero", TV movies "North & South" and "Fingersmith," and guest spots on sitcom "My Family" and sci-fi series "Lexx".

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/071024a.php:dry:

Showtime

10-24-2007, 12:33 AM

Must be a Boston thing, I just posted that right before you did. It's on The Hype as well??

Mig-El

10-24-2007, 12:34 AM

Okay, this better not be true...

^ Recognize him? That's Rupert Evans - Hellboy's sidekick. Okay, read on...

:dry:

He's a definite NO for me. He doesn't strike me as someone with strong authority base the acting I've seen with him.

Showtime

10-24-2007, 12:34 AM

Seemed like this is being "leaked" to alot of the movie sites.

triplet

10-24-2007, 12:37 AM

Hmm... He's too damn short and looks too damn skinny.

I'd rather Routh be back than that guy.

:mad:

I hope it's just a nasty rumor.

\S/JcDc\S/

10-24-2007, 12:38 AM

I just started posting this around... Lol you think the Welling fans hate this? Wait till Routh's fans see this :eek:

Still a rumor at this point of course.

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 12:44 AM

Must be a Boston thing, I just posted that right before you did. It's on The Hype as well??I just went over to IESB to see if there was anything "new." I was getting ready to crash. And oh boy, am I *ever* gonna CRASH tonight.

The hell is THIS? I SAW Hellboy - a few times. I own the DVD. Fun film. I know the actor (from the role.) Decent actor - kinda silly. Granted, that was the character, but still.... SUPERMAN. HE. IS. NOT!

Give me a freakin' break. This is gonna be RETARDED if true.

I can't WAIT to see how the fanboys over in the DC Comics' forum are gonna react to this crap.

Billy Batson

10-24-2007, 12:46 AM

What a train wreck part II. :cmad: :whatever: :woot:

Mig-El

10-24-2007, 12:47 AM

The only difference about this rumor is that SHH is also reporting it. SHH has not put any JLA rumors. It's weird that they put this. hmm...

triplet

10-24-2007, 12:48 AM

What a train wreck part II. :cmad: :whatever: :woot:

Yep, no kiddin'....

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8114/trainwreck4fb.jpg

Zorex

10-24-2007, 12:52 AM

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 12:53 AM

Oh, thank goodness. It's probably just a stupid rumor...

this guy will not be Superman, there has been plenty of actors who have auditioned, there is now way that this guy will get the role.I swear, I'd have to KILL somebody if that dude got the role. Jeezes!!! :cmad:

Zing79

10-24-2007, 12:56 AM

\S/JcDc\S/

10-24-2007, 12:57 AM

The rumor came from "L" ??

I've said it in other threads I'll say it now... If you are going to make a rumor story up with a 5'10 british actor for Supes, make it Jude Law :D

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 12:58 AM

Round and round and round we go! I'm just gonna wait five minutes for this to get retracted, falsified, whatever.

I remember reading on iesb's boards that Warners is indeed putting out misinformation. This could be more of it.It's true. I feel like a g'damn test animal.

"Hey, wanna see 'em flip out in about 60 seconds? Watch this! [clicks 'send']"

It's like that scene from Ghostbuters, and we're all wired to Venkman's psychic electric shock machine. :cmad:

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 01:02 AM

I think this might help WB. A handy guide to where they can find Superman:
http://www.bicsi.org/content/united-states-map.gif
It's not where's Waldo you sons of *****es -- it's not that hard to find Superman in America.Yeah, well... didn't they find Batman here?

http://europa.eu/abc/maps/images/regions/uk/wales.gif

Zing79

10-24-2007, 01:03 AM

All these recent casting rumors have to be the much talked about WB leaks. These are such bad choices that whoever is cast (if they look remotely the part), will have everyone excited simply because fans will feel like they dodged a bullet.

I'm not buying this nonsense, and I'm not letting WB off the hook that easily. Pick someone good, not someone who's "not bad."

\S/JcDc\S/

10-24-2007, 01:03 AM

Am I the only one noticing he looks like Eric Mabius

http://www.moviesection.de/v3/img/datenbank/eric.jpg

Zing79

10-24-2007, 01:04 AM

Yeah, well... didn't they find Batman here?

http://europa.eu/abc/maps/images/regions/uk/wales.gif

Are you sas mouthin' me?

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 01:04 AM

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 01:05 AM

Are you sas mouthin' me?Translation? :huh:

triplet

10-24-2007, 01:08 AM

Translation? :huh:

sass (săs) Informal. n.

Impertinent, disrespectful speech; back talk.

tr.v., sassed, sass·ing, sass·es.

To talk impudently to.

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 01:09 AM

sass (săs) Informal. n.

Impertinent, disrespectful speech; back talk.

tr.v., sassed, sass·ing, sass·es.

To talk impudently to.Muhahahahahaha!

Yes, Zing. :oldrazz:

(Thanks, Trip. :D )

Zing79

10-24-2007, 01:12 AM

Interesting theory. :up:
It's not a theory, I've seen this done more then once in the world of PR. Drop hopes and expectations right before you release official info to make the official info seem 100x better than it actually is.

\S/JcDc\S/

10-24-2007, 01:15 AM

It's not a theory, I've seen this done more then once in the world of PR. Drop hopes and expectations right before you release official info to make the official info seem 100x better than it actually is.

That's what I said over on BT, well not as well put ;) Agree it could be a PR thing to make the actual choice look better, which also means announcements could be soon.

sunflowercyn

10-24-2007, 01:17 AM

Discover more about the stars of BBC Drama: Rupert Evans

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/faces/rupert_evans.shtml

Rupert lists banjo playing amongst his skills.

~~shaking my head~~

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 01:22 AM

It's not a theory, I've seen this done more then once in the world of PR. Drop hopes and expectations right before you release official info to make the official info seem 100x better than it actually is.Aww man... that sux. Not the strategy - I get that. It's just what it implies. 'Cause they certainly don't have to lower hopes before announcing an actor like Welling or even Routh for that matter.

*sigh*

Zing79

10-24-2007, 01:36 AM

Aww man... that sux. Not the strategy - I get that. It's just what it implies. 'Cause they certainly don't have to lower hopes before announcing an actor like Welling or even Routh for that matter.

*sigh*
This is shocking to you how? You've had to struggle way more to believe Welling was in this, than to accept he's not.

But in the interest of fanning the flames: imagine if either were announced at this point. I doubt you'd find many Welling supporters who would still hate Routh given the recent rumors -- or vice versa.

It'd be a pretty unifying way to get most fans on the same page :cwink:

Not likely, but it's something to latch onto.

Serene

10-24-2007, 01:44 AM

Btw as for WW I must agree to those that say Monica Dean looks as close to her as a human can :eek:

http://www.monicadean.info/page.php?menu=3&id=3&category=PHOTO%20SHOOTINGS
Phew! Back to disagreeing.
*hiding from Hulk*

Okay, this better not be true...
^ Recognize him? That's Rupert Evans - Hellboy's sidekick. Okay, read on...

:dry:

Trip and I were just talking about this. It can't be true. IT. JUST. CAN'T.
Superman does not have a babyface. :mad:

I think this might help WB. A handy guide to where they can find Superman:
http://www.bicsi.org/content/united-states-map.gif
It's not where's Waldo you sons of *****es -- it's not that hard to find Superman in America.

LMAO! :D

Okay.. so. We're back to square one AGAIN. Great. G'nite suckahs! (myself included, of course. :D)

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 01:48 AM

This is shocking to you how? You've had to struggle way more to believe Welling was in this, than to accept he's not.Nah, not really. Having a dream and hoping it becomes reality aint no struggle. In fact, it comes naturally. Here, try it. Just close your eyes and imagine your current favorite Superman up on the big screen.

See? No struggle at all. :D :up:

Coming to terms with your dreams being squashed like a bug on a windshield though... now THAT's a struggle. And one that's hard to watch. LOL ;)

But in the interest of stoking your flames (or anyone who believes Routh could also get a shot): imagine if either were announced at this point. I doubt you'd find many Welling supporters who would still hate Routh given the recent rumors -- or vice versa.

It'd be a pretty unifying way to get most fans on the same page :cwink:

Not likely, but it's something to latch onto.True. How 'bout this... The real unification would be getting G&M to pen the SR's sequel script directed by Bryan Singer and starring Brandon Routh, while casting Welling in JLA. Hee!

Not sure if that would be unification or mass suicide, but it sure would merge fans - like two semis on a collision course at 60 mph. LOLOL!!!!

Okay, on that note, I think I'm gonna hit the sack before I get lynched. I even scared *myself* with that suggestion. :p

Thunder Emperor

10-24-2007, 02:20 AM

Just thought I should let my fellow hypesters ow. I am about a third into my superman script. I trying to get a draft done by this weekend. WB wants a fresh take. I think this might work. Hey Pat I would love if you could give my script a read when i am done, also any one who is interested. Thanks

Mig-El

10-24-2007, 03:02 AM

KBX

10-24-2007, 03:07 AM

Calm down, Evans won't be Superman....

...Heck Welling has a better chance to be Jon Stewart than Evans getting Superman....

Whiteflag

10-24-2007, 03:21 AM

Thunder Emperor

10-24-2007, 03:36 AM

I'd like to read it, if you don't mind. I'm a cinema major myself although I haven't formally done anything. hehe.

cool I will keep you all posted. Needless to say my script will have a mixture of characters, some from the silver age comics as well and the golden age, and few characters that have not been used in a superman film.

Lord CorDox

10-24-2007, 05:46 AM

It's odd, Evans has a slight resemblance to Welling in the facial features. Pure speculation on my part, but perhaps he's a stunt double? Or perhaps they want him so Welling can replace him in sequels? hrmm.. If he is cast and Weta is involved in more than costumes, maybe they'll pull off a Lord of the Rings effect to make him seem taller. Either way I still prefer Welling for Supes.

MJZ

10-24-2007, 07:22 AM

This interests me, and it's on topic - sort of - with this thread.

I've read Red Son. It was entertaining on a very else-worlds level. But I read it quite a while ago, so I don't remember too many specifics of style, just the general story, which is fine for discussion purposes, I think. Anyway, the question: Besides the respective character ages and the lack of suit, and without labeling it good or bad, what are some of the differences between Mark Millar's version of Superman and SV's? I realize we're talking about different times in the character's life, and "SV's Clark isn't Superman yet," yada yada. I'm just curious about characterization. :)

Well that's the thing--Millar's Superman hasn't been written yet. A few years ago on his boards he had mentioned he has grand plans to restart Superman with artist Bryan Hitch when they are given the opportunity. He said he has 3 notebooks full of the pitch and Hitch has even done preliminary artwork and what not. However, he's only given tidbits about his approach.

Luckily I've painstakingly transcribed all the main comments below for you folks. Note he was responding to posts on his board. Enjoy.

Millar on Batman/Superman relationship and secret ID?s

Gah! I think you couldn't be more wrong. Superman and Batman are the two characters where the secret ID is the mask (possibly because they're both more primal icons than any other comic character). Superman pretends to be Clark to have a life and Batman pretends to be Bruce to fund his Batcave, Batwing, etc. There's no way he enjoys being Bruce Wayne or he wouldn't be pretending the ginger ale was champagne, etc, to full everybody. He's Bruce Wayne purely out of logistics and the affected personality he adopts is nothing like the Bruce Wayne you'd see working down in the Batcave. Alex Ross and Mark Waid nailed this perfectly in KC. People just called him Batman even when he wasn't wearing the mask. ?

They're also both orphans. They absolutely understand each other and know that there's nobody else they can count on as much as they other.

PS I know Superman isn't an orphan in this dreadful period he's been under seige (from 1986 until Hitchy and I fix him again), but the true understanding of the character is, like Bambi, he loses his Mum and Dad again. All the iconic heroes do whether it's Superman, Bambi or Batman.

On his origin and the Kents being alive

They raise him, they die, he heads to Metropolis. Superman's all about loss and that Fortress of Solitude just makes no sense when he has a wife, parents and all that bollocks.

They Marvelised the poor ****er, like I said. Byrne just totally lost all sense of the myth, especially Jor-El knowing exactly where Superman was headed. That completely loses the Moses-like awe of sending your kid off into the unknown in the hope that he survives.

On Clark Kent, who is Kal-El really, Superman or Clark?

"And who, DISGUISED as Clark Kent, mild-mannered reporter..."

Clark is a pair of glasses. Superman doesn't need glasses. He puts on the glasses for no practical reason; just to dress up and pretend to be this mid-westwern guy he's not as a means of rubbing shoulders with the people on this planet. Superman would have thought he was human until puberty. Until maybe 12. The easiest way to understand it is to think of Jesus in the temple and the moment where his mother has to tell him the truth. He always knew he was different and alone. This is when it was all explained to him. He could still love his parents, but Clark is him trying to understand what humans are all about. As Elliot Maggin puts it, Clark Kent is a living, breathing work of art.

Does Superman want to be Clark?

Oh, he enjoys it, but just in the same way Cary Grant maybe enjoyed playing the lead in Bringing Up Baby. It's fun. It's his downtime. It also gives him a way of interacting. Clark is God Made Flesh.

Coming to Earth and Lois

he should have been fired off with a computer that finds a world that allows him to fit in. That's why it should take three years.

Also, Superman doesn't love Lois. Clark loves Lois and Superman tries HARD to love Lois, but he can't because she's the wrong species. But he tries.

Again, Maggin sums it up beautifully. It doesn't have to be complicated...

Clark loves Lois
Lois loves Superman
Superman loves Clark

Perfect.

This is also one of the reasons Superman shouldn't be married to Lois. It's just stupid. It makes no sense and destroys the whole dynamic. Superman is God, Jor-El is the Holy Spirit and Clark Kent is Jesus. The Kents are Mary and Joseph and Lois is Mary Magdelene. She's the NYC girl who's ****ed her way around the city and found nobody who measures up. She's just had it with men and is focusing on her career... then Superman shows up.

This is why Margot Kidder was perfect for the role and why Lois should be played by someone around 30 even if Supes is being played by a 25 year old.

You'll see what I mean when we fix it.

?Superman is hot for Clark??

Like Picasso was hot for one of his paintings.

Does anyone ?get? Superman?

Kingdom Come is close to perfect. Waid gets it. None of the other American writers do, though Loeb comes close. His only weakness is getting caught up in the whole farmboy thing. The farm is where he grew up and knew he was NOTHING LIKE THESE PEOPLE. He affects it for the Clark persona, but that's it. He's as Kryptonian as Jesus is divine. Did Jesus shag Mary Mag? I don't think so. Superman should never shag Lois. It's insane and what happens when artists start touching tyoewriters.

Jimmy is the reader-identification figure and the comedy relief.

PS I'm saving everything else for the launch. No other ideas from me here, I'm afraid, in case some **** nicks em.

He must Love Lois?no?

Drop your child among monkeys when he's weeks old and see what happens. He'll get monkey characteristics, but he won't want to shag one of them. Even though he's never met another person he'll feel different... and monkeys are closer to us than we are to Superman. Think about THAT, baby.

The Kent?s make him who he is?

He learned values-- just like a kid living among monkeys might learn how to swing from trees.

Why does Superman fight?

No brimstone for Superman. He's interesting enough without it. He sees Earth the way immigrants saw America 100 years ago. He sees a chance for hope and a new life after losing his homeland as a kid. He loves people because he recognizes their great potential and, like Krypton, he wants to encourage them towards the Utopia his father sent him from. Forget Byrne. Read the Bible.

Again with about Lois

Did tarzan want to **** Cheetah? No, he waited for Jane. He knew he wasn't a monkey; he just liked hanging out with them.

Anyway, you're all wrong and I'm right

It'll make much more sense once Hitch and I deprogram you from 18 years of John Byrne and Mike Carlin.

On Lois again and the stuff already done

"but come on thats toatly differnet humans are alot more like kryptonians than monekys and cheetahs are to humans. I think Supes enjoys quite alot shagging Lois all the time and he knows hes not human."

See this is the big place we disagree. Humans were apes less than 50 million years ago. Kryptonians are what we'd be like in 20 billion years. I have this all worked out as part of the proposal. In the last two years, I've filled two entire ring-binders with the plan. There's some AMAZING stuff in here. Hitch has also been doing little design doodles for the last five years. It's fate that we met.

Will you change the costume?

That's like re-designing the flag.

Some things you just don't touch, mate.

How long will you write for, will it just be one book?

I'd want to write all three books and do it for two years. Already got my artists waiting to pounce. This will be a beautiful thing when it happens, but you'll have to be patient, unfortunately.

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=472&highlight=Millar

Tomwelling4sups

10-24-2007, 07:23 AM

yay a baby face :dry:

LexCorp

10-24-2007, 07:25 AM

I think TW would be a great Superman. Through all my bluster about how crap SV has become I still think that TW holds this show on his shoulders. He has the look, much better than Dean Caine and Brandon Routh IMO.

I can only hope that one day he can mature as a character and become Superman in SV or a movie.

Mandrill

10-24-2007, 07:42 AM

I don't want Miller near Superman with those idea's.His reasoning for Superman not loving Lois is flawed

Drop your child among monkeys when he's weeks old and see what happens. He'll get monkey characteristics, but he won't want to shag one of them. Even though he's never met another person he'll feel different... and monkeys are closer to us than we are to Superman. Think about THAT, baby

Superman/Clark looks like a human ,Lois has the same physical appearance of a Kryptonian woman thus he would be attracted to her.

Also I wish they would get away from the jesus angle I'm sick of it :(

LexCorp

10-24-2007, 07:55 AM

I don't want Miller near Superman with those idea's.His reasoning for Superman not loving Lois is flawed

Superman/Clark looks like a human ,Lois has the same physical appearance of a Kryptonian woman thus he would be attracted to her.

Also I wish they would get away from the jesus angle I'm sick of it :(

Jesus angle....like Supes is some saught of saviour? Yeah it can be a bit much.

Superman_

10-24-2007, 08:46 AM

Millar did not get the job because he works for Marvel. However reading what he had to say it seems like they still plain on following up the story of Superman Returns just using a different writer.

Mandrill

10-24-2007, 08:48 AM

Jesus angle....like Supes is some saught of saviour? Yeah it can be a bit much.

Yes and also Clark is just a disguise.

Lois and Clark was a success because people cared about Clark and Lois that's what the movie lack amongst other thing's

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 09:19 AM

we dont need another clown who looks at Superman like he's Jesus Christ

Serene

10-24-2007, 09:22 AM

Thanks for researching and posting all that MJZ.

He has a very clear cut view in his mind of what Superman is and should be. There's nothing wrong with that, it's clear he's passionate about it. However, I don't personally care for his version of Superman - too cold, as if humanity had no real influence on him at all. All SUPER, and very little Man there.

It's just his very personal opinion, and that certainly doesn't make it the right vision for everyone. I'm going to have to hope he doesn't get the job, at this point.

LexCorp

10-24-2007, 09:23 AM

we dont need another clown who looks at Superman like he's Jesus Christ

For real ;)

triplet

10-24-2007, 09:39 AM

bootspark

10-24-2007, 09:44 AM

Very interesting article in the LA Times today.
No mention of JLA, but a good read nonetheless.

Article about WGA strike on Nov. 1.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-et-filmstrike24oct24,1,3319741.story?coll=la-entnews-movies&ctrack=1&cset=true

LexCorp

10-24-2007, 09:47 AM

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 09:47 AM

Can you copy & paste that article ?

LexCorp

10-24-2007, 09:48 AM

Can you copy & paste that article ?

Because it is asking us to sign up to see it!

Whiteflag

10-24-2007, 09:53 AM

bootspark

10-24-2007, 09:56 AM

Looks like Rupert Evans as Superman MIGHT be true. :(

From AICN

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34547

This matches some information recently received by AICN's Quint, which indicated Evans had, indeed, been cast in an unspecified role - and was "beefing up" for his part. We're told that Evans stepped up to give a very good reading as Superman when auditioning for Bryan Singer's SUPERMAN RETURNS.

So, I', a little hesitant to call this a 100% done deal. But, at the moment, it looks like all roads lead to Rupert Evans being cast as JUSTICE LEAGUE's Superman.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 09:57 AM

I'm going to have to hope he doesn't get the job, at this point.

He is not getting the job because he is a Marvel writer. It has been confirmed on that.

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 09:59 AM

BTW its hilarious that SHH posts this Evans rumor, yet they STILL refuse to create a forum to discuss the JLA movie...

triplet

10-24-2007, 10:02 AM

Can you copy & paste that article ?

Because it is asking us to sign up to see it!

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-et-filmstrike24oct24,1,3319741.story?coll=la-entnews-movies&ctrack=1&cset=true

I've registered with the LA Times, so here ya go:

'Wolverine' rewrite needed ASAP

Harried writers rush to finish scripts before a possible strike.
By Rachel Abramowitz and Robert W. Welkos
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

5:52 PM PDT, October 23, 2007

"IT'S pencil down until midnight on Halloween," says Oscar-winning writer-producer Akiva Goldsman. That's his current schedule as he tries to finish up his latest draft of "Angels and Demons," the sequel to "The Da Vinci Code," before the Writers Guild contract expires Oct. 31. "It's unavoidably intensely stressful, but it's the way of the world right now."

Just last week, guild members voted overwhelmingly to authorize a strike if a new contract couldn't be worked out with the studios and networks. All over town, executives, agents, producers and writers are nervously girding for what might be the biggest labor confrontation in 20 years. Depending on how negotiations go, the strike could come as early as Nov. 1, although the guild could always choose to continue negotiating under the existing contract. Nevertheless, almost everyone in town is gripped by a sense of foreboding, as it remains unclear how the talks between the guild and the studios will pan out. "Everybody is living in the impending doom," Goldsman said.

While a writers strike would affect TV production almost immediately, given that most shows stockpile only a few scripts at a time, the movie business would have its own set of problems. Because of the complicated logistics and special effects of most event movies, it can take months of preparation to get a blockbuster ready to shoot, preferably with a finished script. Studios start their planning years ahead, staking out prime release dates on the calendar. Recently, the studios have all but stopped hiring writers to crack books or write new screenplays as they plow their resources into readying films that need to go immediately, say various agents and executives.

"People are freaking," said one top literary agent. "It's unknown territory. No one knows how this is going to work. Studios are trying to figure out how to do without writers, and everyone out there who writes for a living is trying to figure out how to keep making a living."

Both sides of the divide are busy parsing the recently issued WGA strike rules, which are geared to make it as difficult as possible to continue shooting films without writers. For instance, members would be barred from finessing dialogue to suit an actor, changing stage directions because a location got rained out, or even changing a beverage from Coke to vitamin water because the proper product clearance couldn't be secured.

Writers Guild general counsel Tony Segall said "a ton" of writers and their representatives have been calling with questions, perhaps because most of them have never been through a strike before. Roughly two-thirds of the membership were not in the guild during the 1988 strike.

While studios routinely start production without a finished script, no one wants to take that chance in this climate, so there is a rush to lock down scripts in completely finished form before the WGA contract runs out.

"Given what's at stake and the [time] we have left, our writers on every project are working under inhuman amounts of pressure," said Lorenzo di Bonaventura, who is producing "G.I. Joe," Paramount Pictures' would-be tent-pole movie for summer 2009, which as of last week hadn't even been officially greenlighted.

In September, the "G.I. Joe" team hired "Collateral" scribe Stuart Beattie to begin a total overhaul of the script. Beattie turned in his first draft by the beginning of October and is now busily working on a second set of revisions, which are due back to Paramount on Oct. 31.

"G.I Joe" is hardly the only potential 2009 blockbuster rushing to meet the strike deadline. Oscar winner Paul Haggis is plowing through James Bond 22. Since Oct. 1, Oscar nominee Scott Frank has been holed up with director Shawn Levy trying to pound out a shootable version of "Night at the Museum 2." For the last two weeks, Billy Ray has been polishing up "State of Play," a political thriller starring Brad Pitt and Edward Norton that has already passed through the hands of "The Kingdom's" Matthew Carnahan, "The Bourne Identity's" Tony Gilroy and "The Queen's" Peter Morgan.

Just last week, 20th Century Fox issued an announcement that the studio was laying claim to May 1, 2009, as the release date for its big-budget sci-fi spinoff "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" starring Hugh Jackman. This was just days after it issued an urgent SOS to the major agencies looking for a quick rewrite person. Another 2009 movie recently looking for polishes was "Four Christmases," the Vince Vaughn-Reese Witherspoon holiday yarn. The studios pay top "script doctors" $250,000 to $300,000 per week to polish screenplays.

According to one top agent, almost every studio has at least two films on the schedule that will have trouble meeting the accelerated deadline. As one studio production topper noted, "We're exposed on two movies that aren't ready, but we don't have any guns to our heads. Most of our scripts are in solid shape; it's not a mad scramble." He declined to enumerate the problem films.

Most of the 2008 event movies -- titles like "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" and the big-screen version of "Sex and the City" -- are expected to roll without problem into the theaters next summer. Sources say "Star Trek," which is slated for Christmas 2009, will take off as planned and start filming next month.

Producer Jerry Bruckheimer has writers trying to beat the strike deadline for both "G-Force" and "Confessions of a Shopaholic," the big-screen adaptation of the Sophie Kinsella bestseller. Of "Shopaholic" he says, "the writer should be done in the next [few] days." Conversely, Bruckheimer has decided to wait until the labor unrest is completely resolved to begin shooting his next juggernaut, "Prince of Persia: Sands of Time," based on the popular video game.

Like many writers, Billy Ray says he's just keeping his head down and writing as fast as he can. "I take my children to school in the morning, I'm at my desk by 9, somebody feeds me at 1, I'm usually back at my desk at 1:30 and write to 5. The only difference is now I'm generally writing until 7." Just because he's productive doesn't mean Ray's not worried. "This strike would be such a total calamity for everybody involved," he said.

Indeed, there is a palpable fear around town that even if the strike is averted or short-lived there will be a replay of 2001, when, due to a threatened writers strike, the studios jammed sub-quality films into production, just so the pipelines would stay filled.

"Next year, there's going to be a plethora of bad movies -- movies that were rushed because of the supposed strike," said producer Todd Black, who has two films in pre-production at Columbia: "Seven Pounds," a romantic drama starring Will Smith, and a remake of the crime thriller "The Taking of Pelham One Two Three" starring Denzel Washington. Black insists that there's going to be "no rushing" on his movies. "I don't want to make bad movies. And whatever is going to happen is going to happen."

Still, whatever the outcome, October 2007 will go down in movie history as either one of the most productive months in recent memory or the most stress-provoking.

"Unfortunately, it's part of our business," Bruckheimer said. "I lived through the last one, which lasted for almost six months. You somehow survive through it. It hurts the business. It hurts the writers more. Whatever they gain, they never get back the time they're down."

rachel.abramowitz @latimes.com

robert.welkos@latimes.com (robert.welkos@latimes.com)

Jay A. Fernandez, John Horn, Chris Lee and Gina Piccalo contributed to this story.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 10:03 AM

Thanks triplet

TWistim

10-24-2007, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by MJZ
Well that's the thing--Millar's Superman hasn't been written yet. A few years ago on his boards he had mentioned he has grand plans to restart Superman with artist Bryan Hitch when they are given the opportunity. He said he has 3 notebooks full of the pitch and Hitch has even done preliminary artwork and what not. However, he's only given tidbits about his approach.

Luckily I've painstakingly transcribed all the main comments below for you folks. Note he was responding to posts on his board. Enjoy.

That was interesting but I don't think his vision of Superman is the one I would want to see. I can certainly see from reading that the reasons he might have for not liking SV, a show that "humanizes" Superman and makes him more relatable to some. TEHO.

Superman_

10-24-2007, 10:20 AM

TWistim

10-24-2007, 10:21 AM

Looks like Rupert Evans as Superman MIGHT be true. :(

From AICN

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34547

Pleeeease say it isn,t so!!! :wow:

LexCorp

10-24-2007, 10:24 AM

Pleeeease say it isn,t so!!! :wow:

Meh it will not be him!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/faces/images/rupert_evans_large.jpg

bootspark

10-24-2007, 10:26 AM

Hugh Jackman IS Superman!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juojCLu02gk

ZIPBAGS

10-24-2007, 10:32 AM

It better not be this Rupert guy. :(

Superman_

10-24-2007, 10:34 AM

Well according to all the reports some British actor has been cast as Superman. Who that is we don't know but right now thats what the reports are saying.

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 10:41 AM

what reports are saying that? :confused:

Zorex

10-24-2007, 10:43 AM

Uuuuuugggghhhh.

LexCorp

10-24-2007, 10:45 AM

Bottom line noone know who is Supes just yet. :whatever:

Superman_

10-24-2007, 10:50 AM

what reports are saying that? :confused:
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/071024a.php

There's been a lot of casting rumours about Wonder Woman, The Flash, even Batman for the upcoming "Justice League" movie, but barely any for Superman.

With both Brandon Routh and Tom Welling confirmed to not be slipping into the blue tights, and confirmation that George Miller is skewing young with the cast, today came this unconfirmed rumour from 'Russian Blue' which mentions an entirely new name:

"About three weeks ago some casting sessions took place in London's SoHo area for a movie called Justice League. I didn't know what it was until I saw the character list later. I would have figured it out earlier but with a movie like that one they don't let them actually read from the proper script until they're officially cast.

Anyway after going through a whole bunch of British actors, I heard today that one of them has been cast as Superman. Anyway, the guy everyone is talking about is called Rupert Evans."

The 30-year-old baby-faced British thesp is best remembered as rookie agent John Myers in Guillermo Del Toro's adaptation of the comic "Hellboy" in 2004. His other credits include "Guantanamero", TV movies "North & South" and "Fingersmith," and guest spots on sitcom "My Family" and sci-fi series "Lexx".

So with that being said they heard Superman was cast but then again they could be wrong. But if they were wrong I don't think all these other sites would pick up on it like they have been because when Welling was rumored to be Superman most of these sites didn't even follow the news.

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 10:51 AM

I'm praying that Rupert Evans is not Superman. He's only 5'10! Chis Reeve was like 6'4 (that's 6 inches more!). Welling is like 6'2-6'3ish . He's made to be Superman!

LexCorp

10-24-2007, 11:06 AM

I'm praying that Rupert Evans is not Superman. He's only 5'10! Chis Reeve was like 6'4 (that's 6 inches more!). Welling is like 6'2-6'3ish . He's made to be Superman!

Indeed we need a good height on the actor.

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 11:11 AM

I hope they don't CGI the height difference and add an extra 6 inches through computer imagery.

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 11:14 AM

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/071024a.php

LOL @ DH

Prognosticator

10-24-2007, 11:24 AM

Well that's the thing--Millar's Superman hasn't been written yet. A few years ago on his boards he had mentioned he has grand plans to restart Superman with artist Bryan Hitch when they are given the opportunity. He said he has 3 notebooks full of the pitch and Hitch has even done preliminary artwork and what not. However, he's only given tidbits about his approach.

Luckily I've painstakingly transcribed all the main comments below for you folks. Note he was responding to posts on his board. Enjoy.

Millar on Batman/Superman relationship and secret ID?s

On his origin and the Kents being alive

On Clark Kent, who is Kal-El really, Superman or Clark?

Does Superman want to be Clark?

Coming to Earth and Lois

?Superman is hot for Clark??

Does anyone ?get? Superman?

He must Love Lois?no?

The Kent?s make him who he is?

Why does Superman fight?

Again with about Lois

On Lois again and the stuff already done

Will you change the costume?

How long will you write for, will it just be one book?

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=472&highlight=Millar

That's some intense (albeit spliced) findings, MJZ! Millar has got that Marvel swagger about him. I wonder if it'll take shape after Final Crisis?! :ninja:

TWistim

10-24-2007, 11:24 AM

LOL @ DH

Thank you! :heart:

today came this unconfirmed rumour from 'Russian Blue' which mentions an entirely new name

It is interesting to me that the lastest thing being mentioned in regard to keeping the buzz about Tom going is the fact that no other names have been talked about? Could this be another ploy to throw us off track?
This guy seems to have come from way left field! And he looks nothing like Superman plus he's short!!! This guy can't be for real. :ninja:

Superman_

10-24-2007, 11:24 AM

Laugh all you want but if all these other movie sites are picking this up and didn't even bother to pick up the Tom Welling is Superman rumor there might be some truth to this.

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 11:27 AM

Laugh all you want but if all these other movie sites are picking this up and didn't even bother to pick up the Tom Welling is Superman rumor there might be some truth to this.

I hope not. :cmad:

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 11:42 AM

Laugh all you want but if all these other movie sites are picking this up and didn't even bother to pick up the Tom Welling is Superman rumor there might be some truth to this.

Some did pick up the Welling rumor, most others didnt because like an hour after it broke, Steve Younis went running to Al Gough who "debunked" it. Unfortunately, Rupert isnt on a TV show where we can ask his producer...

Showtime

10-24-2007, 11:46 AM

What is strange to me, is didn't The Hype, Moviehole, and IESB drop it almost at the same time?

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 11:52 AM

this is a little off topic from what we are currently talking about, but did anyone hear who the third villain in the JL movie would be? Was it posted at iesb last night or something?

Syncos

10-24-2007, 12:01 PM

Well that's the thing--Millar's Superman hasn't been written yet. A few years ago on his boards he had mentioned he has grand plans to restart Superman with artist Bryan Hitch when they are given the opportunity. He said he has 3 notebooks full of the pitch and Hitch has even done preliminary artwork and what not. However, he's only given tidbits about his approach.

Luckily I've painstakingly transcribed all the main comments below for you folks. Note he was responding to posts on his board. Enjoy.

Millar on Batman/Superman relationship and secret ID?s

On his origin and the Kents being alive

On Clark Kent, who is Kal-El really, Superman or Clark?

Does Superman want to be Clark?

Coming to Earth and Lois

?Superman is hot for Clark??

Does anyone ?get? Superman?

He must Love Lois?no?

The Kent?s make him who he is?

Why does Superman fight?

Again with about Lois

On Lois again and the stuff already done

Will you change the costume?

How long will you write for, will it just be one book?

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=472&highlight=Millar

I absolutely hate every one of his views. Almost as much as this new baby faced superman rumor.

LexCorp

10-24-2007, 12:13 PM

this is a little off topic from what we are currently talking about, but did anyone hear who the third villain in the JL movie would be? Was it posted at iesb last night or something?

I have not even heard of the first 2???

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 12:19 PM

I have not even heard of the first 2???

I believe they are Max Lord and Ra's al Ghul

LexCorp

10-24-2007, 12:21 PM

I believe they are Max Lord and Ra's al Ghul

Was all of this confirmed?

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 12:25 PM

What is strange to me, is didn't The Hype, Moviehole, and IESB drop it almost at the same time?

I dont see it on MH or IESB. There's a thread in the IESB forums on the original DH piece though. It seems like the same guy sent it to them and SHH at the same time. Why SHH posted it when they barely tlak about anything else with the movie, who knows?

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 12:27 PM

officially? No. But it's from a VERY reliable source according to some people. They are all talking about this at iesb and we talked about this a few pages back before the whole Rupert Evans rumor. The source who mentioned the two villains said there would be a third but I haven't heard who it is. Of course nothing is official until we get an announcement from WB. When will that happen?

LexCorp

10-24-2007, 12:31 PM

sunflowercyn

10-24-2007, 12:35 PM

So this could be our next Superman...Rupert Evans

Screencaps from the BBC's North and South

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9428/ns2295ir4.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9710/ns2300nr6.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8089/ns2301pv0.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1120/ns2305gi3.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4933/ns2307pe3.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3671/ns2341hr5.jpg

FYI...North and South is like Pride and Prejudice done if it has been done by Charles Dickens. Evans had a very small role on this.

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 12:36 PM

^^Still not feeling it.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 12:36 PM

Why SHH posted it when they barely tlak about anything else with the movie, who knows?

Mirko seems to be hell bent against this movie

sunflowercyn

10-24-2007, 12:42 PM

^^Still not feeling it.

I know.....I'm still shaking my head. I look at Tom Welling holding the cap in the still for ACTION and then go back and look at the screencaps I had for North and South...WTF? He must have done one hell of an audition that's all I can say.

An English Superman!

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 12:47 PM

I know.....I'm still shaking my head. I look at Tom Welling holding the cap in the still for ACTION and then go back and look at the screencaps I had for North and South...WTF? He must have done one hell of an audition that's all I can say.

An English Superman!

Going back and forth between Welling and this guy would make me depressed. But with all the recent reports saying the same thing, I'm starting to have doubts about Welling and maybe believing this Evans thing. I really hope it's not true. So far the story sounds great, we just need the RIGHT (Welling) Superman.

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 12:50 PM

The rumor about Hell Boy (gosh, that's taken on new meaning now, hasn't it? LOL) was started by ONE person, who apparently contacted at least two different sites. Every site since then has been regurgitating the same info. Just because ten different sites report one person's info, it doesn't make it true. Naysayers were quick to remind SV fans of this when Sanchez came out with HIS report back in August.

Speaking of which, that news was EVERYWHERE. I remember posting a link to some freakin' product review site that was even talking about Welling in JL. The difference between what's happening now and what we saw back then is that people were actually HAPPY about hearing that Welling would be cast.

Sanchez found out a few weeks after he broke the Welling rumor that Warners was pissed with him, and I don't think it was because he said Miller would direct JL (that rumor was actually broke by Latino Review, which I'd like to point out has said NOTHING about Hell Boy yet.) Warners was pissed with Sanchez because Sanchez went on broadcast television and said Welling would be Superman in JL. Why? Well, either Sanchez stole their thunder, or the actor who WILL be Superman isn't going to get nearly the kind of response Welling did, and nothing the studio can do now will change that. They'll try spreading misinformation so when the real actor is announced it'll be received better than the Hell Boy alternative, but the elation will be over five minutes later when the reality will set back in: Welling isn't in the film.

The irony about who reports what is dripping. SHH JUMPED on the Hell Boy rumor last night, which was submitted by some no-name scooper, yet they ignored the Welling news from IESB's Robert Sanchez? Huh? I thought they didn't post unconfirmed rumors. If I e-mailed SHH and said I worked for Warner Features and have done so for the last three years, and guess what - Welling is in the film, think they'd post it?

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/no.gif

Yeah, I didn't think so either.

Furthermore, we've got one report after another about Justice League being IN production and SHH has YET to open a forum for it. Even THE PLANET - WB's unofficial promotion site for all things SR, which the studio supports financially - created a forum for the JL film.

MJZ, thanks for posting all of the Millar quotes and his take on Superman. I find myself in agreement with about 30-40% of his ideas. The rest is far too scary to contemplate. The biggest objections I have is his overemphasis on religious allegory (no wonder he was so into Cavs being cast - I get it now) and the Tarzan/apes analogy. One of the biggest reasons people love Superman so much is because despite his godlike powers, he still wants to be just like everybody else. What "god" wants to be human? Superman doesn't see himself above people and indeed, he longs to fit in and be a part of a world where loving a human woman is natural. Even SINGER got that right. No wonder Millar hates SV.

So on Millar writing the next Superman film, oh gosh, I'll PASS!!! Thank you very much. :dry:

DvilDog

10-24-2007, 12:57 PM

i come back off leave and this is the stuff I see. Rupert Evans for Superman? Are the casting people blind? Did really enjoy reading up on the real script though

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 12:57 PM

Hey Pat, do you know if they revealed the third villain yet? I know the source said he would reveal it after he went out for some drinks or something?

DvilDog

10-24-2007, 12:57 PM

stupid double post

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 01:01 PM

Hey Pat, do you know if they revealed the third villain yet? I know the source said he would reveal it after he went out for some drinks or something?Good question. I don't think HWinsider has been back since last night, but I could be wrong. I haven't gone back to the IESB boards; I've been reading new posts through e-mails. If a new thread was started, I wouldn't have seen it.

Guess I should go take a peek. LOL

BRB....

zerohour films

10-24-2007, 01:25 PM

So this could be our next Superman...Rupert Evans

Screencaps from the BBC's North and South

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9428/ns2295ir4.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9710/ns2300nr6.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8089/ns2301pv0.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1120/ns2305gi3.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4933/ns2307pe3.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3671/ns2341hr5.jpg

FYI...North and South is like Pride and Prejudice done if it has been done by Charles Dickens. Evans had a very small role on this.

Wow..I just don't have words. Even if Welling isn't in it they can do better than this. Surely this is BS.

Bruce_Wayne29

10-24-2007, 01:26 PM

The irony about who reports what is dripping. SHH JUMPED on the Hell Boy rumor last night, which was submitted by some no-name scooper, yet they ignored the Welling news from IESB's Robert Sanchez? Huh? I thought they didn't post unconfirmed rumors. If I e-mailed SHH and said I worked for Warner Features and have done so for the last three years, and guess what - Welling is in the film, think they'd post it?

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/no.gif

Yeah, I didn't think so either.

So on Millar writing the next Superman film, oh gosh, I'll PASS!!! Thank you very much. :dry:

Yeah that has gotten on my nerves as well ! it seems SHH has something against Tom Welling. How many rumors and how many sites talked about Welling. Just one person talks about Rupert and they go ahead and post it. It sucks.
I don't have any interest in seeing a movie with this guy as Superman. Either I believe in Superman or the whole thing is ruined for me. And right now only Welling makes me believe.
And on Mark Millar I'll pass as well... I don't need another Superman movie in which he is painted as Jesus...

zerohour films

10-24-2007, 01:42 PM

Yeah it's funny. I was talking with my Dad the other day (he's been watching SV since the beginning) and the subject of JL came up.

I told him that it hasn't been announced who would be playing Supes but that TW was rumored back and forth. He was all for it, he said he can't see anyone else doing it.

Now you would have to know my Dad, he's very old school and grew up watching George Reeves as Superman. That's always been his Superman.
Even so much that he doesn't like CR (which we strongly disagree about). So for him to say someone else is the only person he could see playing the character is a big deal to me anyway. And he's 61 so I believe TW does have a varied following in that regard.

If they can't make TW work (and he does want to do it) they are really screwing up IMO.

Syncos

10-24-2007, 01:49 PM

Yeah that has gotten on my nerves as well ! it seems SHH has something against Tom Welling. How many rumors and how many sites talked about Welling. Just one person talks about Rupert and they go ahead and post it. It sucks.

Wasn't the Hype caught up in the 2004 Lolercoaster? That might have something to do with the hesitance to report Welling news this time. Not that I claim to know what's going on.

I know the source said he would reveal it after he went out for some drinks or something?

Out for drinks can be roughly translated to "I need time to make this BS sound convincing."

.... just sayin.

JackMercy

10-24-2007, 01:57 PM

Why SHH posted it when they barely tlak about anything else with the movie, who knows?

Hey Hulky... got your PM... (last week)
(Fix up your box and maybe I'll reply...)

Did somebody ask for me...?

Chompin on something right now, be back in a few...

:word:

Superman_

10-24-2007, 02:00 PM

Wasn't the Hype caught up in the 2004 Lolercoaster? That might have something to do with the hesitance to report Welling news this time. Not that I claim to know what's going on.

No they were not. The Hype seems to have some type of rule to never post news Welling related for some reason. Hell they barely will post SV news.

Mandrill

10-24-2007, 02:08 PM

Hey Hulky... got your PM... (last week)
(Fix up your box and maybe I'll reply...)

Did somebody ask for me...?

Chompin on something right now, be back in a few...

:word:

:wow:

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 02:10 PM

Hey Hulky... got your PM... (last week)
(Fix up your box and maybe I'll reply...)

Did somebody ask for me...?

Chompin on something right now, be back in a few...

:word:

my kitchen is clean....

bootspark

10-24-2007, 02:12 PM

JackMercy

I hope you have good news... :)

triplet

10-24-2007, 02:50 PM

Hey Hulky... got your PM... (last week)
(Fix up your box and maybe I'll reply...)

Did somebody ask for me...?

Chompin on something right now, be back in a few...

:word:

I would love to hear some good news, Jack.

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 02:52 PM

Hey Hulky... got your PM... (last week)
(Fix up your box and maybe I'll reply...)

Did somebody ask for me...?

Chompin on something right now, be back in a few...

:word:Oh dear ZOD please tell me you have a pizza delivery. Please? My heart can't take the frozen stuff no mo!!! :(

Migu-EL

10-24-2007, 02:56 PM

What about Digiorno's.:cwink:

RakuMon

10-24-2007, 03:00 PM

I would love to hear some good news, Jack.

Count me in as well!!!

bootspark

10-24-2007, 03:07 PM

I have a question about JackMercy.

Who is he and what does he do?

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 03:13 PM

Good news? Pah! I'll take any news right now, preferably something like "the pizza boy goofed and delivered the wrong order, but the establishment knows and they're cooking-up a new pie as we speak." LOL :p

Boots, he'd tell you, but then he'd have to kill you. So it's best not to know. LOL

Migu-EL

10-24-2007, 03:39 PM

He's hired by the WB as a ninja.:ninja:

Serene

10-24-2007, 04:26 PM

So this could be our next Superman...Rupert Evans

Screencaps from the BBC's North and South

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9428/ns2295ir4.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9710/ns2300nr6.jpg
FYI...North and South is like Pride and Prejudice done if it has been done by Charles Dickens. Evans had a very small role on this.

He's not an unattractive guy. I feel bad we're all ripping on him, but it's just so painfully obvious that this guy doesn't have an ounce of Superman vibe going on. He looks sweet, and kinda perky. Maybe he could dye his hair red and be Jimmy Olson. :dry:

Wasn't the Hype caught up in the 2004 Lolercoaster? That might have something to do with the hesitance to report Welling news this time. Not that I claim to know what's going on.

For whatever reason *coughfanboysnobberycough* this forum, the show, and probably Tom don't get a lot of positive support. Just about every time I venture out of this forum, I see some nasty comments about the show or the posters here. Meh. Jealousy is ugly. ;)

I have a question about JackMercy.

Who is he and what does he do?

All we can tell you is that Oliver Stone is rumored to be making a movie about him. :ninja:

ZIPBAGS

10-24-2007, 04:28 PM

I have a question about JackMercy.

Who is he and what does he do?

Alright, you can't tell us who he is. But, is his info reliable?

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 04:28 PM

I have a question about JackMercy.

Who is he and what does he do?

http://www.uncoveregypt.com/images/cruise/mystery_man.jpg

Showtime

10-24-2007, 04:53 PM

I dont see it on MH or IESB. There's a thread in the IESB forums on the original DH piece though. It seems like the same guy sent it to them and SHH at the same time. Why SHH posted it when they barely tlak about anything else with the movie, who knows?

I meant Dark Horizons, IESB, and HYPE. My bad. I thought Sanchez was discussing it in one of his threads. I don't know. Too many stories. :csad:

ZIPBAGS

10-24-2007, 04:56 PM

Alright we get it....He's a covert James Bond kind of stuff. But, nerves are shot. Has his info been reliable?? And I wonder what he might have now! :)

rumpuso

10-24-2007, 04:57 PM

I have a question about JackMercy.

Who is he and what does he do?

He's very different from emijayne and Robert Sanchez in that he speaks in nothing but riddles and cryptic phrases. I have personally never understood a darn thing he's ever said, but Pat and some of the other regulars here seem to seek him out and trust him. They probably know him better via pm than anyone knows of him from the boards.

Paradoxium

10-24-2007, 05:12 PM

I have this very sick feeling that Evans did get cast, but not for Superman... take a guess :(

KBX

10-24-2007, 05:15 PM

Wally West?

LastSon Kal-El

10-24-2007, 05:18 PM

Who's afraid of the big bad bat? (or little for lack of a better description)

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 05:18 PM

I have this very sick feeling that Evans did get cast, but not for Superman... take a guess :(

as long as it is not for Superman, then I don't care.

Paradoxium

10-24-2007, 05:27 PM

Bats.

Whether you care or not, Batman more or less carries this film. So his casting is crucial. If you read the recent spoilers it sounds more like "Batman and the Justice League". To me, it felt like the exec went:

Exec 1: What would get people to watch these superheros on the big screen. A good story?

Exec 2: Lets throw in Batman and make obscure references to Batman Begins. Great way to milk the Batman franchise more!

At 5'10, it sounds plausible. Because the Bat's height didn't seem to much of an issue for the casting director during the Batman days. Hell they even entertained the thought of Billy 5'7 Crudup! Think about it, can you imagine Josh Duhamel cast as Batman standing next to Rupert Evans. You add on the horns the disparity would be ridiculous.

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 05:32 PM

Batman/Bale fans would crush Evans if he is casted as Batman. There would be no comparison. The best solution? Evans either has a minor role in the film or is not in the film at all.

RakuMon

10-24-2007, 05:56 PM

Here are a couple of questions to ponder:

1. Why is 'Justice League' being fast-tracked for a 2009 release?
2. What could possibly derail the second half of Smallville's seventh season?

The answer to both questions is the upcoming strike. To make matters worse, the writers are more than likely going to strike November 1.

Now here's the $250 million question:

What's Tom Welling going to do if the second half of Smallville is postponed due to a strike and he isn't cast as Superman?

I know for a fact that Tom was approached by and talking to producers for JLA. Whether or not he ever took the role is unknown. One of the factors that could bar Tom from being Superman was scheduling conflicts, right? Well, if the WGA has their way, any unwritten episodes of Smallville would not be able to go into production. And insiders think the strike could last for months.

So if this is the case, that's going to open up some free time in Welling's schedule, wouldn't you think? So no more conflict.

:dry:

Prognosticator

10-24-2007, 05:59 PM

^ yeah, but TV & movie studios have special script staffs on set to make regular adjustments....of which they wouldn't have access to, of which would stall any addition shoots.

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 06:01 PM

Mandrill

10-24-2007, 06:11 PM

You have pretty much every Batman fan loving Bale as Batman.

Then you have Welling with a lot of fans to play Superman ,Routh with a lot of fans from just playing Superman in SR and Chris Reeve who alot of people think can't be bettered as Superman.Some fans like all 3..

Who ever plays either character in JLA has ALOT to live up to.

JackMercy

10-24-2007, 06:17 PM

"the pizza boy goofed and delivered the wrong order, but the establishment knows and they're cooking-up a new pie as we speak."

[[hushed laughter from Mr. Mercy]]

Oh, Patty, you know me all too well... to the degree of now saying what I was going to say before I even said it...!

;)

JackMercy

10-24-2007, 06:21 PM

All we can tell you is that Oliver Stone is rumored to be making a movie about him. :ninja:

pfft...

He was going to, but the rights issues recently got all tangled up...

(ba-duh-BUM)

[that one was for free]

;)

bootspark

10-24-2007, 06:22 PM

[[hushed laughter from Mr. Mercy]]

Oh, Patty, you know me all too well... to the degree of now saying what I was going to say before I even said it...!

;)

YES! :)

So are you saying what I think your saying?

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 06:22 PM

Sure wish Jack would come out of hiding to comment on this un. :(

Get Jack Bauer to torture Jack Mercy because Jack Bauer will enjoy it :ninja:

JackMercy

10-24-2007, 06:23 PM

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 06:28 PM

:ninja:

Could that be why they are delaying an announcement Jack :huh:

TWistim

10-24-2007, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by AgentPat http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=13068235#post13068235)
"the pizza boy goofed and delivered the wrong order, but the establishment knows and they're cooking-up a new pie as we speak."

So would this mean that Singer (pizza boy) delivered the wrong Superman and WB knows so they are now "cooking up" the pie we all wanted in the first place?

Please say "YES!" :woot:

Mandrill

10-24-2007, 06:31 PM

Now that the story is sounding better I really hope WB,Miller who ever it is down to works something out to get Tom on board.

JackMercy

10-24-2007, 06:41 PM

So you're thinking they're waiting to see if the strike happens before announcing? Could he be on the leash as Option #1 and Hell Boy et al are Option's #2 ad infinitum? 'Cause you know what? I'd believe that. In a New York second. That actually makes SENSE! And we've seen it happen before - except Welling wasn't Option #1 back then...

You know, there's something else as well...

[[Big breath...]]

(It's been a while, and I know I owe you guys and gals one...)

Even though there's been recent performance issues, my favorite local eatery is usually reliable for quality product... At the moment, though, one of their flagship menu items is in a bit of a flux... One chef wants to try this new sauce he's been perfecting on an unsuspecting dinner crowd... The other one (who's always had personality conflicts with the first guy) wants to try something completely different... And you know, even if that first new sauce recipe does or doesn't go ahead (with the healthy tasty topping we all love), there's a chance that guy #2 has got something else on the horizon... He knows some guys... who know some guys... who have a little local place that serves up delicious daily delicacies to satisfied (and some mildly satisfied) customers every week... These guys might be interested in forming a partnership... err... rather, let's say, a franchise establishment... with the bigger guys downtown... and they might be considering pitching their ideas about future possibilities right now... Problem is, guy #1 has heard all about the crowd-pleasing menus that guy #2 has access to, and has been itching to get "a piece of the pie" per say... but guy#2's friends of friends are not budging an inch, because... they think there might be a better opportunity if they just wait things out a bit... and try negotiating new ownership of the business on their own...

Now don't go spreadin' this news around to the wrong people, k?

;)

phil

10-24-2007, 06:46 PM

Can anyone who knows anything give a staight ****ing awnser on this whole mess?

sunflowercyn

10-24-2007, 06:48 PM

Riddle me this, riddle me that.....

Hmm...hmm....

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 06:48 PM

Can anyone who knows anything give a staight ****ing awnser on this whole mess?

I think they are waiting for the strike to happen before announcing anything so that Smallville production in terms of shooting will come to a halt & when that happens Tom Welling will be Superman in Justice League.

TWistim

10-24-2007, 06:50 PM

You know, there's something else as well...

[[Big breath...]]

(It's been a while, and I know I owe you guys and gals one...)

Even though there's been recent performance issues, my favorite local eatery is usually reliable for quality product... At the moment, though, one of their flagship menu items is in a bit of a flux... One chef wants to try this new sauce he's been perfecting on an unsuspecting dinner crowd... The other one (who's always had personality conflicts with the first guy) wants to try something completely different... And you know, even if that first new sauce recipe does or doesn't go ahead (with the healthy tasty topping we all love), there's a chance that guy #2 has got something else on the horizon... He knows some guys... who know some guys... who have a little local place that serves up delicious daily delicacies to satisfied (and some mildly satisfied) customers every week... These guys might be interested in forming a partnership... err... rather, let's say, a franchise establishment... with the bigger guys downtown... and they might be considering pitching their ideas about future possibilities right now... Problem is, guy #1 has heard all about the crowd-pleasing menus that guy #2 has access to, and has been itching to get "a piece of the pie" per say... but guy#2's friends of friends are not budging an inch, because... they think there might be a better opportunity if they just wait things out a bit... and try negotiating new ownership of the business on their own...

Now don't go spreadin' this news around to the wrong people, k?

;)

This is sounding very delicious! :yay:

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 06:55 PM

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 07:03 PM

I'm hungry.

triplet

10-24-2007, 07:12 PM

^ yeah, but TV & movie studios have special script staffs on set to make regular adjustments....of which they wouldn't have access to, of which would stall any addition shoots.

No, the WGA strike rules will shut down any production...

If they don't have a stockpiled script to shoot, there will be nothing they can do.

mellyM

10-24-2007, 07:17 PM

Maybe Tom should just hold out and see what becomes of the next Superman film, maybe he can do that instead

Mandrill

10-24-2007, 07:18 PM

mellyM

10-24-2007, 07:27 PM

MJZ, thanks for posting all of the Millar quotes and his take on Superman. I find myself in agreement with about 30-40% of his ideas. The rest is far too scary to contemplate. The biggest objections I have is his overemphasis on religious allegory (no wonder he was so into Cavs being cast - I get it now) and the Tarzan/apes analogy. One of the biggest reasons people love Superman so much is because despite his godlike powers, he still wants to be just like everybody else. What "god" wants to be human? Superman doesn't see himself above people and indeed, he longs to fit in and be a part of a world where loving a human woman is natural. Even SINGER got that right. No wonder Millar hates SV.

So on Millar writing the next Superman film, oh gosh, I'll PASS!!! Thank you very much. :dry:

thankfully he won't be doing it. http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?s=&showtopic=74359&view=findpost&p=1682262

triplet

10-24-2007, 07:33 PM

You know, there's something else as well...

[[Big breath...]]

(It's been a while, and I know I owe you guys and gals one...)

Even though there's been recent performance issues, my favorite local eatery is usually reliable for quality product...

At the moment, though, one of their flagship menu items is in a bit of a flux... One chef wants to try this new sauce he's been perfecting on an unsuspecting dinner crowd...

The other one (who's always had personality conflicts with the first guy) wants to try something completely different...

And you know, even if that first new sauce recipe does or doesn't go ahead (with the healthy tasty topping we all love), there's a chance that guy #2 has got something else on the horizon...

He knows some guys... who know some guys... who have a little local place that serves up delicious daily delicacies to satisfied (and some mildly satisfied) customers every week...

These guys might be interested in forming a partnership... err... rather, let's say, a franchise establishment... with the bigger guys downtown... and they might be considering pitching their ideas about future possibilities right now...

Problem is, guy #1 has heard all about the crowd-pleasing menus that guy #2 has access to, and has been itching to get "a piece of the pie" per say...

but guy#2's friends of friends are not budging an inch, because... they think there might be a better opportunity if they just wait things out a bit... and try negotiating new ownership of the business on their own...

Now don't go spreadin' this news around to the wrong people, k?

;)

Okay, I'm not sure that clears up a thing....

*sigh*

So, does this mean Goughlar are the pizza #2 guy and are still blocking the use of our favorite topping?

Bastards if that's true.

Serene

10-24-2007, 07:35 PM

thankfully he won't be doing it. http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?s=&showtopic=74359&view=findpost&p=1682262

So... since they are looking to replace the writers for MOS, that means it definitely is going ahead? And since we're on the eve of a big writers strike and MOS isn't due out until further notice, why are they even worried about hiring writers for it now?

This just isn't calculating for me.

ZIPBAGS

10-24-2007, 07:35 PM

Can anyone who knows anything give a staight ****ing awnser on this whole mess?

I feel your pain. I tried going to a pizza parlor to translate this. But, all I got was an order of linguini. Can someone translate Jack's info? :huh:

Serene

10-24-2007, 07:38 PM

I feel your pain. I tried going to a pizza parlor to translate this. But, all I got was an order of linguini. Can someone translate Jack's info? :huh:

Don't look at me, I made tortellini tonight. :oldrazz:

Syncos

10-24-2007, 07:39 PM

I love when Jack posts. It's like a mini-game!

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 07:43 PM

Bastards if that's true.

When the strike happens I doubt the two bastards from hell would be able to do anything about Tom being in Justice League because Smallville would not be filming Tom would be free to do Justice League. I can see why like Jack said the WB are waiting it out & playing their cards right it seems when it comes to Tom Welling. If we go by what Jack is saying it seems the WB wants to do more with Tom then Justice League.

rumpuso

10-24-2007, 07:53 PM

Is someone who can make heads or tails of Jack's post willing to translate specifically what he's talking about? (Looking at you Pat or Hulk...)

Please?

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 07:58 PM

Such a conundrum, I dont know where I'd rather get my favorite pizza?

MJZ

10-24-2007, 08:02 PM

we dont need another clown who looks at Superman like he's Jesus Christ

I think you're jumping the gun there.
Thanks for researching and posting all that MJZ.

He has a very clear cut view in his mind of what Superman is and should be. There's nothing wrong with that, it's clear he's passionate about it. However, I don't personally care for his version of Superman - too cold, as if humanity had no real influence on him at all. All SUPER, and very little Man there.

It's just his very personal opinion, and that certainly doesn't make it the right vision for everyone. I'm going to have to hope he doesn't get the job, at this point.

Well in all honesty Millar's version sounds exactly like the Superman I've always wanted to see. I know his religious allegories may seem a tad extreme but I think it's fascinating, and frankly that's how it's always been, he just came out and said it.

I don't see anything cold about his Superman--as he said, he uses the CK disguise as a means to interact with humanity, which fascinates him.

Millar always cites the Donner film as like the perfect example in line with his vision, and if you look deep into it it's all there.

Grant Morrison's run on All-Star Superman is very much in the same vein, albeit not with the same level of extremes that Millar seemingly will take it. Again, throw out all the wackiness from the 60s and prior and this is the Pre-Crisis Superman.

Without spilling the beans, my associate gillberg2k1 and I have been working on our own Superman project for several years now, and these initial comments of Millar's were the inspiration. I think it's new territory and there's a lot of untapped potential with the character there.

I'm one who can appreciate many different versions of Superman. I love Smallville and what it does with the character, but at the end of the day this stuff is more in line with my own preferences.
Yikes, I'm not sure I want him near any reboot movie.

*shudders*

Thanks for posting that, however.

MJZ, thanks for posting all of the Millar quotes and his take on Superman. I find myself in agreement with about 30-40% of his ideas. The rest is far too scary to contemplate. The biggest objections I have is his overemphasis on religious allegory (no wonder he was so into Cavs being cast - I get it now) and the Tarzan/apes analogy. One of the biggest reasons people love Superman so much is because despite his godlike powers, he still wants to be just like everybody else. What "god" wants to be human? Superman doesn't see himself above people and indeed, he longs to fit in and be a part of a world where loving a human woman is natural. Even SINGER got that right. No wonder Millar hates SV.

So on Millar writing the next Superman film, oh gosh, I'll PASS!!! Thank you very much. :dry:

Ah but he doesn't want to be like everybody else, hence he would've stayed on the farm his whole life and married Lana. :)

Millar never said Superman sees himself above people, he simply acknowledges that he's different. You see Clark finally starting to come to the same realizations this year on SV too

I love that line about how "The Fortress of Solitude makes no sense when he's got a wife and parents still alive and all that bollocks..." I agree, you lose all sense of the myth then, and it's true they did "Marvelize the ****er." I agree with Millar's views on Lois and all that stuff. Again, different takes on the character, not saying either is right or wrong.

Interestingly, I read an interview with his highness, Frank Miller, awhile back in which he mentioned that he had a similar Superman project around the time Dark Knight Returns came out, but it never saw the light of day. It sounded near-identical to the kind of stuff Millar talks about. I remember one of Frank's quotes being that this is the problem with comics and Superman in particular, they take a big, great idea and never follow through with it. He said it is silly to think that if a character like Superman existed he wouldn't completely change the world. These guys think big and it's a refreshing change in my view. As opposed to the stale "mild-mannered reporter by day, fights aliens and goes home to wife Lois at night..." type of stuff. Zzzzzzzzz.

Serene

10-24-2007, 08:13 PM

Ah but he doesn't want to be like everybody else, hence he would've stayed on the farm his whole life and married Lana. :)
I disagree. His sense of obligation and duty are what keep him from indulging in his very human needs. Putting the lives of others before his own desires when this is a being that certainly COULD rule the world, is what defines Superman to me. He is the epitome of tragedy and heroism because of the choice he made to serve the world as opposed to himself.

Resolving his relationship with Lois in the future is a bit more tricky for me. But I like to think that love conquers all, even for a superpowered alien. He falls in love with Lois and maintains that relationship because he doesn't have to sacrifice his role as Superman to be with her. Although, ultimately, he will lose her too.

MJZ

10-24-2007, 08:23 PM

I disagree. His sense of obligation and duty are what keep him from indulging in his very human needs. Putting the lives of others before his own desires when this is a being that certainly COULD rule the world, is what defines Superman to me. He is the epitome of tragedy and heroism because of the choice he made to serve the world as opposed to himself.

Resolving his relationship with Lois in the future is a bit more tricky for me. But I like to think that love conquers all, even for a superpowered alien. He falls in love with Lois and maintains that relationship because he doesn't have to sacrifice his role as Superman to be with her. Although, ultimately, he will lose her too.

Hey that's right for SV's version but keep in mind up until the 80s Superman never revealed his true identity to Lois let alone engaged in a romantic relationship with her.

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 08:33 PM

Is someone who can make heads or tails of Jack's post willing to translate specifically what he's talking about? (Looking at you Pat or Hulk...)

Please?In a nutshell? Gough and Millar would rather be the new Dougherty and Harris and bring their golden goose with them instead of selling it off now. Which bums me out, because a bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush, especially when the bird aint getting any younger...

Serene

10-24-2007, 08:37 PM

Hey that's right for SV's version but keep in mind up until the 80s Superman never revealed his true identity to Lois let alone engaged in a romantic relationship with her.

I think everyone has their own vision of what Superman really means to them. Regardless of what transpired in any of the metallic ages, movies, tv shows, or animated series, those are my feelings about the big guy.

BenReilly19

10-24-2007, 08:39 PM

I still find it hard to believe that Gough and Millar have that much leverage, where they could stop Features from using Welling...

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 08:42 PM

I still find it hard to believe that Gough and Millar have that much leverage, where they could stop Features from using Welling...

It all depends on the type of contract the WB & CW signed with the two. They probably signed a ****ty contract that gives G & M alot of power over what Welling does. Which is why if Jack is right the WB is waiting for the strike to happen so they can use Welling in Justice League.

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 08:49 PM

If the strike does affect Smallville, then will the second half of the season be delayed and may not air until a couple months later?

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 08:50 PM

If the strike does affect Smallville

The strike will affect all scripted TV shows I think

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 08:52 PM

The strike will affect all scripted TV shows I think

well that sucks. :csad:

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 08:54 PM

well that sucks. :csad:

Unless a show has the entire season already written then that show will be fine. But if not then it is screwed.

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 09:01 PM

So you think the writers are rushing to finish the season?

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 09:05 PM

So you think the writers are rushing to finish the season ?

They have no choice. Writers are rushing to finish movies so I would expect that TV Show writers are rushing to finish the current seasons.

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 09:05 PM

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 09:09 PM

I still find it hard to believe that Gough and Millar have that much leverage, where they could stop Features from using Welling...Honestly, I have no clue how much leverage they have, or what everybody's contracts say. All I know is, I'd rather get Welling in a Superman film NOW. I don't want to wait four or more years for something that might not happen anyway. And remember, some directors get what they want regardless of any preexisting deals between the studio and... other interested parties. Besides, that other mess needs to be chucked, not resuscitated, 'cause if they're seriously considering the latter, Welling deserves better than to be saddled with that. JMHO

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 09:20 PM

more like the next Gil AdlerYeah, I hear ya. But there's just too many variables, it's too long to wait, and there's too much uncertainty in the potential outcome. That franchise needs a serious dust and clean starting at the very top and working its way down. I'd rather not see Welling get stuck in the middle of it.

It's good to finally know what's going on though, so if I didn't already say thank you to Jack, allow me to do so now!

Jack, you rock!! :D :up:

rumpuso

10-24-2007, 09:25 PM

In a nutshell? Gough and Millar would rather be the new Dougherty and Harris and bring their golden goose with them instead of selling it off now. Which bums me out, because a bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush, especially when the bird aint getting any younger...

Thanks for answering me, Pat. I figured that was what Jack's post was saying, but gosh...I never really know for sure anymore.

So, I guess this is yet another confirmation that Tom won't be anywhere near this JLA film; which is a bummer. I was looking forward to seeing him don the cape. I guess this just reconfirms Zings earlier posts as well. I believe he said it wasn't going to happen with Tom. I just can't remember if Zing mentioned if the rumors of Tom actually being considered were true or not. Guess it doesn't much matter now anyway.

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 09:33 PM

Thanks for answering me, Pat. I figured that was what Jack's post was saying, but gosh...I never really know for sure anymore.

So, I guess this is yet another confirmation that Tom won't be anywhere near this JLA film; which is a bummer. I was looking forward to seeing him don the cape. I guess this just reconfirms Zings earlier posts as well. I believe he said it wasn't going to happen with Tom. I just can't remember if Zing mentioned if the rumors of Tom actually being considered were true or not. Guess it doesn't much matter now anyway.Well, nothing is "confirmed" until Warners issues a casting announcement. There's still the writer's strike to consider, and that's looming over EVERYBODY'S heads next week.

For what it's worth, Jayne shot down the Hell Boy rumors - she called Evan's reps. He might actually be IN JL, but they chuckled at the idea of Evans playing Superman. Glad somebody found that funny. :dry:

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 09:35 PM

rumpuso

10-24-2007, 09:39 PM

If you ask me AgentPat the WB are waiting for the strike to happen so they will get a better idea on the faith of Smallville. If Smallville is screwed then I think they get Tom Welling. Which is probably why we have heard no other names for Superman. Because they have not been looking for another Superman depending on what happens to Smallville due to the strike.

What could potentially happen to Smallville, though? Isn't this just a matter of tv shows being put on hold until the strike is over? So, at most, we'd get a delayed 2nd half of the season?

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 09:39 PM

If you ask me AgentPat the WB are waiting for the strike to happen so they will get a better idea on the faith of Smallville. If Smallville is screwed then I think they get Tom Welling. Which is probably why we have heard no other names for Superman. Because they have not been looking for another Superman depending on what happens to Smallville due to the strike.Anything's possible, CB. It's all gonna come out in the laundry soon.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 09:40 PM

What could potentially happen to Smallville, though ? Isn't this just a matter of tv shows being put on hold until the strike is over ?

If Smallville gets delayed then Tom Welling will have the time to do the movie & G & M will not be able to stop him from doing the movie because of Smallville being delayed. They would have no reason or argument to stop Tom Welling from being in this movie because of the delay.

Mandrill

10-24-2007, 09:40 PM

If Welling is not cast in Justice League then who ever is cast I feel is going to be the front runner in any solo Superman flick if Singer leaves the project which right now looks likely.

From what I gather there is no back stories to the characters in JLA so you could easily have a new solo Supes movies fit into it.

Some one said earlier that Mark Millers remark about ''Dawson's guys '' doing Superman being a dig at M&G looks to be somewhat actuate based on Jack's info.

As for the strike here's an article I read regarding it.

Basically, the writers guide wants more money for its writers and at a recent vote something like 90% of all writers they would support strike action. This could happen at any time from the end of this month and could last indefinitely. The last strike happened in 1988 and lasted for 22 weeks. However back then shows were mostly episodic and so a reduced number of episodes didn't harm the series too much. However as the article mentions these days we have things like 24, Lost, Desperate Housewives and lots of story arc driven shows which could be completely destroyed if they can only produce 8 or so episodes this year.

Then there are the other series that could be permanently scarred. Looking forward to the final season of Scrubs? If the strike happens we might get the finale on DVD but we'd be missing a huge number of episodes from an already shortened season. Will 24 have to be come 10? How would it survive with its flagship selling point in tatters. And how will late shows like The Shield and BSG cope - probably better than most shows but may also have to be delayed.

So what do people think? Is the Strike going to happen? What could happen to the TV landscape this year if it does? Can the studios be smart enough to come to a solution? And can the writers use their brains a bit - viewer ship is down, non-scripted reality and game shows are popular and cheaper to make than traditional scripted shows and these won't be affected by the strike meaning that network TV is likely to not suffer to much, but that if they do order more game shows and more reality TV and they all perform well and are cheap to make then you could well see even more cutbacks on scripted shows in later years. And do the writers really want to drive their viewers away? Games and the Internet are both growing and are both taking up more and more of people’s time - take away their TV entertainment and you may lose them together.

I do think the writers deserve a better deal - at least more money form DVD and internet transmission. But they have also got to be careful - a strike will harm them more than the studios. The new shows will die and never come back and existing shows will have to dramatically rewrite their current season’s storylines and might lose viewers forever if they disappear off air. The Writers guide should be careful to not throw their toys out of the pram - they have got to most to gain here, but have also got the most to lose. Aside from us lot that is - do we really want to see even more game shows and reality TV produced? Do we want to see our favourite shows destroyed because of a strike that should never have been allowed to get this far. Several shows are entering their final and arguably most important seasons - BSG, Scrubs, Shield , Smallville - I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say after following these shows for years, if I don't get a decent conclusion then I'd be pretty miffed. And 24 - a show built so strongly around the 24 hour concept - how would this deal with a strike?

So what do people think is going happen then? Strike? Or will both sides be smart enough to avoid something that can only damage the industry and put even more writers out of work

To put thing's in perspective JMS creator of Babylon 5 commented that most writers get 4cents per box set sold.His show B5 has grossed $500 mil in sales and he has seen nothing from it.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 09:43 PM

Anything's possible, CB. It's all gonna come out in the laundry soon.

If the strike happens then that will probably increase Toms chances of being in Justice League. G & M would have no argument or case to stop Tom from being in the movie if Smallville is not even shooting. If the strike happens then those two should be fired for being a pain in the ass if you ask me & we get our Superman.

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 09:47 PM

What could potentially happen to Smallville, though? Isn't this just a matter of tv shows being put on hold until the strike is over? So, at most, we'd get a delayed 2nd half of the season?Depends on how long the strike goes. There was no World Series one year because of a player's strike, and the NHL went a whole season w/o any games played at all due to contract disputes. I know these are sports examples, but it's pretty much the same principal. If the writers strike went on for months, we could potentially ONLY see whatever episodes of SV have completed scripts. I think they're up to ep 11 right now. That's it. :csad:

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 09:47 PM

the strike thing doesnt make much sense to me.

Say the union goes on strike on November 1st. Smallville most likely has completed scripts up to around episode 12 or 13 at this point, and any revisions/additions to those could easily be handled by Al and Miles or the particular director (uncredited of course). So Tom would still be tied up in filming the eps they have scripts for until let's say for argument's sake mid to late January.

At that point, JLA is set to film in a few weeks from when SV has to shut down. Say Tom signs on to do JLA but then the WGA strike ends on January 30th. He's then contractually obligated to come back and do Smallville unless something were to be worked out between the two.

Point is, no one knows how long a WGA strike would last and if it would even still be going on when JLA is set to lense in February so it would see real odd for a studio to sign a guy thinking that the writer's strike is going to last until June or whenever JLA wraps, but if it somehow doesnt (which is more likley the case) then they cant even use him.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 09:49 PM

I think they're up to ep 11 right now

I think I remember reading somewhere that Heroes is worry free of the strike & Lost should be fine this season when it comes back due to its entire change of shooting & stuff

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 09:50 PM

Say Tom signs on to do JLA but then the WGA strike ends on January 30th

With Hollywood being greedy bastards the strike will last longer then that if you ask me. If Hollywood cared the strike would have never gotten this far.

BenReilly19

10-24-2007, 09:55 PM

It all depends on the type of contract the WB & CW signed with the two. They probably signed a ****ty contract that gives G & M alot of power over what Welling does. Which is why if Jack is right the WB is waiting for the strike to happen so they can use Welling in Justice League.

Thing is, Features trumps Warner's Television. If we're to believe the rumors that G&M were the sole reason as to why Welling couldn't be in JL and those two were playing hard ball with the studio, there are so many ways the studio could get around them and get what they want, that it wouldn't even be an issue.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 09:58 PM

There are so many ways the studio could get around them and get what they want, that it wouldn't even be an issue.

It all depends on the contracts. Like how MGM (morons) agreed to give the Sci-Fi channel the power to decide wether or not Stargate can be taken to another channel if they cancel Stargate. They cancelled Stargate SG-1 last year & due to that stupid contract MGM agreed to Stargate SG-1 can not be taken to another chanel. It all depends on the contract. The WB / CW like MGM probably agreed to something very stupid when they signed the contracts that give G & M alot of say & power.

Paradoxium

10-24-2007, 10:09 PM

I remember one of Frank's quotes being that this is the problem with comics and Superman in particular, they take a big, great idea and never follow through with it. He said it is silly to think that if a character like Superman existed he wouldn't completely change the world. These guys think big and it's a refreshing change in my view. As opposed to the stale "mild-mannered reporter by day, fights aliens and goes home to wife Lois at night..." type of stuff. Zzzzzzzzz.

QFT. I wouldn't mind seeing something different (not in the kungfu-krypton-CIA Luthor sense). Millar's extreme religious allegories - it's to strongly convey the frame of mind he is writing Superman. He will be more subtle about it, not like the napalm to the crotch obvious attempts by Singer.

Tomwelling4sups

10-24-2007, 10:23 PM

*still waiting for cast annoucement* :ninja:

triplet

10-24-2007, 11:11 PM

What stupid greedy bastards, if this is all true....

If Gough and Millar are playing with WB and working out a deal that will allow them to do MOS in a reboot scenario, then I hope it doesn't end up biting them (and us) in the ass.

I mean, how bitter would Tom get if his current bosses are so territorial over his ass they intefere with him getting a job he wanted? I'd be pissed...

How well would he act in Smallville if he was angry at his bosses for screwing up a deal he wanted to make? How would losing a deal worth potentially tens of millions of dollars affect his performance? Tom is nothing but a professional, but how much are they willing to push the edge of that envelope?

They would do well to make sure their star is happy for as long as they got his very cute butt up in Vancouver.

Added to that, Goughlar has no idea what might happen in two years. If they keep Tom from doing JLA so they don't lose a film out of any potential multi-picture/Superman franchise deal with him, then they are really counting their eggs before they are hatched.

Maybe they could have options included in any deal with Tom to cover any future Superman films in addition to whatever consideration they need to get him to do JLA, but don't cut him out of this film on the off chance he would help them make money on some future franchise they haven't been given yet.

Let JLA make money first, see how much people love Tom and then that will actually help them out in the long run anyway.

I mean, if Tom totally kicks butt and owns that part and makes the world fall in love with him as Superman (as we all know they will), then wouldn't it be to their benefit to let him do this and then see how things go?

Let Tom do that JLA film!

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 11:26 PM

Let Tom do that JLA film!

Just hope the strike happens triplet. Sure we may loose Smallville after sweeps but we gain something really big & there would be nothing G & M could do to stop it due to Smallville not even being in production. G & M would have no argument or case if production stops on Smallville.

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 11:27 PM

What stupid greedy bastards, if this is all true....

If Gough and Millar are playing with WB and working out a deal that will allow them to do MOS in a reboot scenario, then I hope it doesn't end up biting them (and us) in the ass.

I mean, how bitter would Tom get if his current bosses are so territorial over his ass they interfere with him getting a job he wanted? I'd be pissed...

How well would he act in Smallville if he was angry at his bosses for screwing up a deal he wanted to make? How would losing a deal worth potentially tens of millions of dollars affect his performance? Tom is nothing but a professional, but how much are they willing to push the edge of that envelope?

They would do well to make sure their star is happy for as long as they got his very cute butt up in Vancouver.

Added to that, Goughlar has no idea what might happen in two years. If they keep Tom from doing JLA so they don't lose a film out of any potential multi-picture/Superman franchise deal with him, then they are really counting their eggs before they are hatched.

Maybe they could have options included in any deal with Tom to cover any future Superman films in addition to whatever consideration they need to get him to do JLA, but don't cut him out of this film on the off chance he would help them make money on some future franchise they haven't been given yet.

Let JLA make money first, see how much people love Tom and then that will actually help them out in the long run anyway.

I mean, if Tom totally kicks butt and owns that part and makes the world fall in love with him as Superman (as we all know they will), then wouldn't it be to their benefit to let him do this and then see how things go?

Let Tom do that JLA film!See? Now THIS is a post that needs to be quoted for truth. ^

Every one of these points has gone through my head, but I just don't have the patience anymore to post about something that should be clearly obvious to TPTB, but for unbeknownst reasons isn't. What's up with that? And not to put too fine a point on it, but Chris Reeve was 35 when he shot his LAST Superman film. TW will be 31 before Smallville ends its 7th season - never mind going eight. :ninja:

Prison Mike

10-24-2007, 11:27 PM

what if the strike happens and Tom isn't even cast as Superman in JLA? We would be screwed from both ends!

ariellem

10-24-2007, 11:31 PM

Something on your mind, Trip? :whatever::woot::cwink:

...I hope it doesn't end up biting them (and us) in the ass.

...his current bosses are so territorial over his ass...

...make sure their star is happy for as long as they got his very cute butt up in Vancouver.

...they are really counting their eggs before they are hatched.

...Tom totally kicks butt...!

I think they should post photos, so we'll be sure.

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 11:41 PM

the next person to say "casted" gets a kick in the pants :mad:

AgentPat

10-24-2007, 11:43 PM

the next person to say "casted" gets a kick in the pants :mad:Casted.

:p

(I hate it too.) LOL ;)

triplet

10-24-2007, 11:45 PM

See? Now THIS is a post that needs to be quoted for truth. ^

Every one of these points has gone through my head, but I just don't have the patience anymore to post about something that should be clearly obvious to TPTB, but for unbeknownst reasons isn't. What's up with that? And not to put too fine a point on it, but Chris Reeve was 35 when he shot his LAST Superman film. TW will be 31 before Smallville ends its 7th season - never mind going eight. :ninja:

Yeah, he ain't getting any younger.

They should let him do JLA and then see what they got afterwards. If he owns the role the way we are all convinced he will and if JLA is even half the film that little bit of the new script spoilers are suggesting, this film will push him into a different plane of existence in Hollywood.

He won't be just the "kid who plays Clark Kent on TV" anymore, he'll be a movie star...

what if the strike happens and Tom isn't even casted as Superman in JLA? We would be screwed from both ends!

Well, that was my point. If they screw us out of Tom being in JLA and we still only get a partial season thanks to the strike, them damn them all to hell for the greedy bastards they are.

Something on your mind, Trip? :whatever::woot::cwink:

:D

Maybe.

I think they should post photos, so we'll be sure.

I hope so...

Nice butt shots of Tom are even more rare than good shirtless ones.

ariellem

10-24-2007, 11:49 PM

the next person to say "casted" gets a kick in the pants :mad:

No, a kick in the [subject of the day] :woot:

Nice butt shots of Tom are even more rare than good shirtless ones.

Quite true, sadly :-< It's those baggy pants he usually wears. Stupid farmboy fit :-<

Hey! I don't think they've ever had him in overalls on the show. Why not? He lives on a farm. How about a white tee-and-overalls ep, TPTB? Please?

OobeDoobBenubi

10-24-2007, 11:51 PM

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The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 11:52 PM

Casted.

:p

(I hate it too.) LOL ;)

:cmad:

http://www.greatmyspacelayouts.com/Images/Funny_Pics/images/KickButt.gif

Serene

10-24-2007, 11:56 PM

Casted,Casted,Casted,Casted,Casted,Casted,Casted,C asted,Casted,Casted,Casted,Casted,Casted,Casted,Ca sted,Casted,Casted,Casted,Casted,Casted,Casted,Cas ted,Casted,Casted,

Eerily close to "cast-rated"

Just sayin' :hyper:

The Incredible Hulk

10-24-2007, 11:59 PM

Tomwelling4sups

10-25-2007, 12:00 AM

what if the strike happens and Tom isn't even casted as Superman in JLA? We would be screwed from both ends!

That's what worries me the most a this point, I'm not wishing for this strike to happen so sv stops and Tom as Supes happens. I won't trade my favorite tv show of 6 years for some 15% odd chance (just estimating) that Tom will be cast in JLA after that happens. It is one hell of a gamble.

C. Lee

10-25-2007, 12:04 AM

the next person to say "casted" gets a kick in the pants :mad:

Or send sympathy cards to their mothers.

Tomwelling4sups

10-25-2007, 12:06 AM

Or send sympathy cards to their mothers.

. . . and their english/grammar teachers ;)

triplet

10-25-2007, 12:15 AM

Quite true, sadly :-< It's those baggy pants he usually wears. Stupid farmboy fit :-<

Hey! I don't think they've ever had him in overalls on the show. Why not? He lives on a farm. How about a white tee-and-overalls ep, TPTB? Please?

Oooh.... How about overalls with a skin-tight wife-beater?

Even better idea, how about overalls with no shirt on at all underneath?

Or better yet, how about them bringing back Aquadude only because they want an excuse to have Clark spend the whole episode in his swim trunks as he does brave, supermanly things in the water helping Arthur out?

:D :up:

AgentPat

10-25-2007, 12:16 AM

:cmad:

http://www.greatmyspacelayouts.com/Images/Funny_Pics/images/KickButt.gifThis cracked me up!! :D :up:

OobeDoobBenubi

10-25-2007, 12:21 AM

http://home.comcast.net/%7Ebriteuf/medication27kb.jpg

http://www.comedycentral.com/images/mobile/wallpaper/wrong4.gif

ariellem

10-25-2007, 12:50 AM

Oooh.... How about overalls with a skin-tight wife-beater?

Even better idea, how about overalls with no shirt on at all underneath?

Or better yet, how about them bringing back Aquadude only because they want an excuse to have Clark spend the whole episode in his swim trunks as he does brave, supermanly things in the water helping Arthur out?

:D :up:

How about an episode in which he does all of the above, for more than five seconds apiece?
:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

I *like* Aquadude. And yes, I think we need a Harry Potter-esque underwater rescue scene. Some evil mer-dude can take Lana, Lois, and Chloe hostage; Clark and Arthur have to save them before their oxygen runs out - but they only (seem to) have time to save two of the gals. [Yes, I suppose we could let Kara help - give the guys some screen time & solve the problem - but I'd prefer a Clarkie solution :->]

There's a heat wave in Smallville. Clark starts out in flannels. Moves to overalls & a white tee. Takes off the (very sweaty) tee - it's an abnormal heat wave! - and puts on a clean white sleeveless undershirt. Burns through that - literally - and rips off the smoldering wifebeater (I hate that term!) and finishes up his chores in just the overalls. Eventually changes (!!!) into his swim trunks & heads down to the lake to cool off. Arthur finds him there; informs him that evil mer-dude has some sort of power station underwater that's frying the atmosphere. It's tinted with greenK, which is why Clark was sweating. Arthur will take out the greenK part of the station while Clark deals with the parts less hazardous to him. They go underwater. That's when Clark discovers his trio of imprisoned babes and has to rescue them AND help Arthur before something implodes/explodes and kills Arthur...

LexCorp

10-25-2007, 05:48 AM

zerohour films

10-25-2007, 08:13 AM

Well it appears George Miller is going to be a busy guy....and still no casting news :csad:

Have to wonder, could this hurt the quality of JL's production (overworked or distracted director)

Also in terms of casting...surely the one for JL is set. Miller can't possibly be spending his time right now trying to cast the big 3 along with finding a new Mad Max...

Mad Max 4 is back on!
Date : October 25, 2007</B> Writer : Clint Morris

After several false starts, one major budget blowout and a thrillion chuckles, George Miller’s “Mad Max 4 : Fury Road” is finally juiced and ready to go. Its production quarters re-opened at Fox Studios in Sydney this week.
One of Moviehole’s longest - not as in length (well not that we know of) but in terms of how good he has been to us over the years (setting up set visits.. basically giving us access to things we normally couldn’t have gotten) – friends called today from the lot to let us know that “Fury Road” has finally got a greenlight, with pre-production commencing immediately.
It sounds as if Miller will be working on this film, and “Justice League” concurrently – the latter is also set up at Fox Studios – as well as…. “Happy Feet 2”.
Yep, work has also begun – albeit slowly – on a sequel to Milller’s uber-successful penguin flick but since the first one took four years to make don’t look for this one in theatres anytime soon.
Our colleague has discovered that ‘’Kennedy Miller is dancing with VFX and animation houses for both Mad Max 4 and Happy Feet 2. As far as I know the plan is to do all the animation for Happy Feet 2 in Australia, but not necessarily at Animal Logic (who did the first one). I'd guess that Mad Max 4 will be shot in Namibia as per the original plans (blown out by the Iraq invasion). In terms of release time - it took 4 years to make the original Happy Feet.”
He even speculates that ‘’Mad Max 4 : Fury Road’’ will be released before “Justice League”… but that’s a guess based on how fast the former seems to be moving forward (and no, he doesn’t have any information on “Justice League”). Of course, they have to find a new 'Mad Max' first - with Miller telling Moviehole recently that he won't be using Mel Gibson again, but a younger face.
This is 100% solid information…. The same tipster was the one that broke the news initially that “Mad Max 4” had shut down…. so start practicing those bike moves peoples, George Miller might just be calling on you shortly.

LINK:
http://www.moviehole.net/news/20071025_mad_max_4_is_back_on.html