Tom Welling as Superman

[The Incredible Hulk]

Over on the JL board someone brought up a great point about the Emi's fake cast list. Why isn't the the actor playing Aquaman on it?

Hmmmm!


hey I brought that up here :mad:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=13095208&postcount=5983

[Serene]

Over on the JL board someone brought up a great point about the Emi's fake cast list. Why isn't the the actor playing Aquaman on it?

Hmmmm!

Perhaps to lend an air of credibility to it?

I got nuttin'.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

After hearing Emi's post about Welling not being in JL. I had to go out. While driving I was feeling really bummed about him not being in it. Its sad and pathetic

When you're alone, and life is making you lonely
You can always go
Downtown

When you've got worries, all the noise and hurry
Seems to help, I know
Downtown

Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city,
Linger on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty
How can you lose? The lights are much brighter there...
You can forget all your troubles; forget all your cares, and go
Downtown -- things will be great when you're
Downtown -- you'll find a place for sure
Downtown -- everything's waiting for you

Downtown .... Downtown...

Don't hang around, and let your problems surround you,
There are movie shows
Downtown

Maybe you know some little places to go to
Where they never close
Downtown

Just listen to the rhythm of a gentle Bossa Nova
You'll be dancing with 'em too before the night is over,
Happy again...
The lights are much brighter there,
You can forget all your troubles; forget all your cares, and go
Downtown -- where all the lights are bright
Downtown -- waiting for you tonight
Downtown -- you're gonna be all right now...

Downtown...Downtown...Downtown...

Downtown!

Downtown!

And you may find somebody kind to help and understand you;
Someone who is just like you and needs a gentle hand to
Guide them along...
So maybe I'll see you there,
We can forget all our troubles; forget all our cares, and go
Downtown -- things will be great when you're
Downtown -- don't wait a minute more
Downtown -- everything's waiting for you...

Downtown...Downtown
Downtown...Downtown
Downtown...Downtown
Downtown...Downtown
Downtown...Downtown (fade)

[AgentPat]

If it indeed is two more daysTrue. But y'know, by the time this is all said and done, we'll all be so burnt out on it someone will post the information as a "btw, here's the JL cast list" and nobody will care. LOL!!!

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I think deep down no matter what we all will care because no one wants them ****ing up our heroes in one movie :o

[Tomwelling4sups]

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/252662/1024/Pictures/ImBatman.gif

:D :up::up::up::up::up:

[Mig-El]

I don't know if anyone brought this up, but does anyone think this had anything to do with Emi's reason why Tom will not be Superman. Could the "unforeseen circumstances" be the lawsuit that is preventing Tom?

http://news.lalate.com/2007/10/26/justice-league-movie-lalate-exclusive-part-2/

[Billy Batson]

:wow: Wow! What happens if the law suit kill off Superman?
WB time to dust off Captain Marvel. :o :csad: :cwink:

[Mig-El]

The lawsuit could also explain why there's rumor that Season 7 will be Smallville's last.

[Billy Batson]

:wow: Man!

[AgentPat]

I think deep down no matter what we all will care because no one wants them ****ing up our heroes in one movie :oGeorge Miller could cast Danny DiVito as Superman and it won't change how I feel about my Superman.

I've already seen one director screw up Superman, what's another?

The character doesn't exist here [taps screen]...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/action3.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/action2.jpg


He exists here --> :heart:

[Mig-El]

If only WB sees/have the same passion as you do Pat...

[Tomwelling4sups]

Anyone else feel like the WB & the lawsuit just gave you a huge kick in the groin? :( :super:

[avidreader]

That lawsuit has been around for months. Originally though it was reported to be about the rights to Superboy not Superman.

[Mig-El]

Anyone else feel like the WB & the lawsuit just gave you a huge kick in the groin? :( :super:

Tell me about it.

[bootspark]

edit

[AgentPat]

If only WB sees/have the same passion as you do Pat...Thanks, Mig-El. It's times like this, I really wish we had a direct connection with TPTB, because I think they lost the ability to see Superman from our POV. :(

[bootspark]

EXCLUSIVE: David Dobkin Takes ‘Flash’ Reins, Spills Details

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/10/27/exclusive-david-dobkin-takes-flash-reins-spills-details/

“Wedding Crashers” and “Fred Claus” director David Dobkin revealed to MTV News that he’s signed with Warner Bros. to bring the fleet-footed super to the big screen in a solo project, taking over for Shawn Levy who has left for undisclosed reasons.
But while fans wait for “JLA” story and casting announcements with bated breath, Dobkin can’t help but hold his – confirming that his movie will exist in the same universe as the upcoming flick as a direct spin-off.
Which made his next comment all the more revelatory: Asked which version of the Flash would be the hero of his flick, Dobkin didn’t hesitate. “Wally West,” he said. This would seem to mesh perfectly with recent rumors that “JLA” opens with Barry Allen’s funeral.

Whoever is cast as FLASH in JLA, will be cast in the spinoff.

[Billy Batson]

Thanks, Mig-El. It's times like this, I really wish we had a direct connection with TPTB, because I think they lost the ability to see Superman from our POV.

They just want to milk the crap out of Smallville.
Superman can with stand the missteps, perhaps in ten years or so Welling's supes will take flight.

[Mig-El]

They just want to milk the crap out of Smallville.
Superman can with stand the missteps, perhaps in ten years or so Welling's supes will take flight.

He's ready!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qSIbxMQi34

[AgentPat]

They just want to milk the crap out of Smallville.
Superman can with stand the missteps, perhaps in ten years or so Welling's supes will take flight.They'll be milking SV for YEARS. It is probably the most lucrative Superman franchise they ever had in terms of actual net profits, which is ironic considering the focus of the show: young Clark *before* he becomes Superman. I hope they can resolve this lawsuit and get on with business.

[Billy Batson]

He's ready!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qSIbxMQi34

Tell me about it. :up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAqvvVua2XI

They'll be milking SV for YEARS. It is probably the most lucrative Superman franchise they ever had in terms of actual net profits, which is ironic considering the focus of the show: young Clark *before* he becomes Superman. I hope they can resolve this lawsuit and get on with business.

SV should survive the lawsuit since Superboy nor Superman is represented in the show. :cwink:

[Zing79]

They'll be milking SV for YEARS. It is probably the most lucrative Superman franchise they ever had in terms of actual net profits, which is ironic considering the focus of the show: young Clark *before* he becomes Superman. I hope they can resolve this lawsuit and get on with business.
I don’t think most of us even know the half of it. It’s pretty staggering if you use even lowball projections.

Assume for a second first run episodes don’t generate a penny for WB and that they’re merely there as a vehicle to drive sales of the show in all other avenues.

SV signed a syndication deal with Disney during season 4 for $40-50 million. That’s not gross, that’s pure profit. Assume that all other worldwide markets combined paid about the same to air the show. That’s $100 million in profit through 4 seasons.

SV is one of the highest selling TV DVD’s year in and year out. If they sell 1 million copies of each season box set at an average price of $50 that’s another $50 million per season. 6 seasons so far = $300 million profit. Let’s throw in another $100 million for the season 7/season 8 box set. I have no idea if they even sell the DVD in other markets, but let’s just leave it out for ****s and giggles.

The next syndication deal SV signs (that includes season 5 on) will thrash the $100 million dollar mark. The closer it ends up getting to 200 episodes the further away it’ll get from the $100 million mark. Again assume the same profit for WW syndication for their next deal.

All told that’s $700 million – PROFIT!!

WB isn’t going to kill the show off until the cast decides they don’t want to do it anymore. Seriously—look at that figure. Do you really think they’ll kill the show in the face of those numbers?

When it's all said and done, SV is probably a billion dollar franchise. That doesn't really compare to movies (where a single movie can generate that kind of revenue), but for TV that's just stupid money.

This also might explain why Gough will fight tooth and nail to not let this show die. He'll get a cut of ALL revenue, so he's looking at a huge pay day for this.

[TheGraphicsGuy]

WB isn’t going to kill the show off until the cast decides they don’t want to do it anymore. Seriously—look at that figure. Do you really think they’ll kill the show in the face of those numbers?


Yes, because if they're gonna milk it then I expect it will get pretty boring when he has no more powers to discover, and when he starts working in the Daily Planet... I know we've still got a few villains but most of them were in films such as the old 4 Superman ones, and guess what, he was an adult in those. And if they start making up villains that havn't been in the comics, there's gonna be some very angry fans!

[heliorei]

I don’t think most of us even know the half of it. It’s pretty staggering if you use even lowball projections.

Assume for a second first run episodes don’t generate a penny for WB and that they’re merely there as a vehicle to drive sales of the show in all other avenues.

SV signed a syndication deal with Disney during season 4 for $40-50 million. That’s not gross, that’s pure profit. Assume that all other worldwide markets combined paid about the same to air the show. That’s $100 million in profit through 4 seasons.

SV is one of the highest selling TV DVD’s year in and year out. If they sell 1 million copies of each season box set at an average price of $50 that’s another $50 million per season. 6 seasons so far = $300 million profit. Let’s throw in another $100 million for the season 7/season 8 box set. I have no idea if they even sell the DVD in other markets, but let’s just leave it out for ****s and giggles.

The next syndication deal SV signs (that includes season 5 on) will thrash the $100 million dollar mark. The closer it ends up getting to 200 episodes the further away it’ll get from the $100 million mark. Again assume the same profit for WW syndication for their next deal.

All told that’s $700 million – PROFIT!!

WB isn’t going to kill the show off until the cast decides they don’t want to do it anymore. Seriously—look at that figure. Do you really think they’ll kill the show in the face of those numbers?

When it's all said and done, SV is probably a billion dollar franchise. That doesn't really compare to movies (where a single movie can generate that kind of revenue), but for TV that's just stupid money.

This also might explain why Gough will fight tooth and nail to not let this show die. He'll get a cut of ALL revenue, so he's looking at a huge pay day for this.

That's good thinking and I do know WB/CW wants to keep Smallville because not only is profitable but it's also the CW #1 rated show and it's on the most competitive night of the week.

Smallville's season 8 is almost a reality.

[zerohour films]

Well, it looks like we will have our cast in a couple of days and word Welling is out.

I have been going over and over all of this and it just doesn't make sense.

You could say I am holding onto any shred of hope...

TW was being rumored for the project on sites such as MSN.
Ok we know Robert announced TW as Supes on G4
Word spread and the place went crazy
Gough says he's wrong
Then word started trickling that he wasn't or it was uncertain.
In the meantime, almost every website (comic and non-comic related) referenced Welling at some point.
Yet does WB try to put word out there that he is not and they are doing a casting call for the role? No.
Then eventually Gough is quoted to an obscure site as it's not happening.
Then Noveck is quoted on same site as it would be "confusing"
Yet Welling's name is still being mentioned in just about every article regarding.
Robert mentions that WB is pissed at him for some such reason.
Fake script gets circulated...fake cast list (that show TW) supposedly by WB.
Emi mentions WB is pissed at her as well after she teased with the wink winks.

I want to say that he got the part and they are still trying to throw people off. And robert and emi are having to play along for whatever reason (probably to protect future scoops).

I just don't see why WB wouldn't have squashed this TW rumor after it got so into the mainstream. Kinda hard to introduce the new guy, when people can only talk about the current.

I guess we'll know in a couple days.

[Zing79]

Yes, because if they're gonna milk it then I expect it will get pretty boring when he has no more powers to discover, and when he starts working in the Daily Planet... I know we've still got a few villains but most of them were in films such as the old 4 Superman ones, and guess what, he was an adult in those. And if they start making up villains that havn't been in the comics, there's gonna be some very angry fans!
All the stuff that's coming out of your keyboard right now is your creative opinion -- which is all but worthless in the face of those numbers. WB will not relent in pushing SV until those numbers stop justifying the shows existence.

The idea that you think it'll get boring or that it'll piss off fans doesn't even come close to the idea of money floating around in WB's head.

[Prison Mike]

I just want the official announcement now so it can be done with.

[zerohour films]

Sorry been away and playing catch up with the rumors.
One other thing I just thought of...

If Robert and Emi are on some type of silence from WB and Welling really did get it, do you think Emi was trying to tell us by saying there won't be an 8th season of Smallville in the same post where she says he won't be supes in JL? Just a thought because all we have heard is that they are pushing for an 8th.

And Zing very good points. SV is a big money maker for the CW and I am sure they wouldn't want to let go (unless they see it coming to a close and that there's potential in a supergirl spinoff)

This has all been very strange.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

If Smallville ever does end there will be spin offs. So I highly doubt G & M is worried about loosing Smallville. Why do you think they now have Kara ? For ****s & giggles ?

Two Words

Spinoff

[Prison Mike]

I wish there was a Green Arrow spin-off instead.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I wish there was a Green Arrow spin-off instead.

Green Arrow VS Hot Girl in very little clothing & would probably have some kind of Super Suit mock up with the S logo on it & maybe a cape

Think like a studio executive here

[Serene]

I want to say that he got the part and they are still trying to throw people off. And robert and emi are having to play along for whatever reason (probably to protect future scoops).

You know what I love? I love that there are those of us die-hards *cough* that simply can't give up that last babyfine shred of hope, no matter how much evidence is thrown at us. Only when we get the final OFFICIAL word will that happen.

Chances look extremely grim, and anyone with any common sense would just concede that Tom is OUT of this project. End of story; time to move on.

Sometimes hope trumps common sense though. ;)

At least we'll all go down together on this. (maybe :D)

[Prison Mike]

I hope it doesn't turn into Gilmore Girls with superpowers. Green Arrow is already an established hero. He has no hesitations about his destiny, which is refreshing after 7 seasons of Smallville. If this Supergirl spin-off already has Kara in Metropolis or wherever and is Supergirl from the start, then I guess it would be okay. But I don't want another 7 years of her not sure of her destiny. Plus, I thought Hartley was great in Aquaman and I know he can carry a show by himself. I was just hoping of a GA spin-off but I guess that's unlikely.

[TheLongestDay]

how about a young justice spinoff?

[Tomwelling4sups]

Megan Gale might be Wonder Woman?

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20071028_wonder_woman_casting_rumour_25.html

http://www.deegees.it/smervino/megan_gale.php

[Prison Mike]

never heard of her, but she looks hot.

[Showtime]

Megan Gale might be Wonder Woman?

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20071028_wonder_woman_casting_rumour_25.html

http://www.deegees.it/smervino/megan_gale.php

In regards to her experience, she would be like the Brandon Routh of Wonder Woman casting.

[Prison Mike]

She looks more like WW than MEW, but can she act?

[phil]

There is no fkn way I'm giving up hope for Welling! These last episodes of SV even though people have had truble with writing etc scream one thing. They have really done a good job (dragging it out I know but it is TV) building up this character to become Superman. His look, his maturity everything to do with him IMO has been done very well.
I think mike must be happy with how his body's turned out this season, his freakin chest is huge, lol This guy screams Superman! This guy has thousands and thousands of people seeing him as Superman, at this stage for me he's the only guy for the job.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Miller seems to care about casting Austrilians & Winstead is a studio choice.

[The Incredible Hulk]

In regards to her experience, she would be like the Brandon Routh of Wonder Woman casting.

she even makes Routh look like an experienced thespian. Technically I've been in more movies (2) than she has (1).

(I was an extra on 6th Sense and Jersey Girl)

[Prison Mike]

she even makes Routh look like an experienced thespian. Technically I've been in more movies (2) than she has (1).

(I was an extra on 6th Sense and Jersey Girl)

Really? Did you get to meet any of the actors?

[Serene]

she even makes Routh look like an experienced thespian. Technically I've been in more movies (2) than she has (1).

(I was an extra on 6th Sense and Jersey Girl)

HULK FOR WW!

:D

[Mike22]

There is no fkn way I'm giving up hope for Welling! These last episodes of SV even though people have had trouble with writing etc scream one thing. They have really done a good job (dragging it out I know but it is TV) building up this character to become Superman. His look, his maturity everything to do with him IMO has been done very well.
I think mike must be happy with how his body's turned out this season, his freakin chest is huge, lol This guy screams Superman! This guy has thousands and thousands of people seeing him as Superman, at this stage for me he's the only guy for the job.

Hi Phil, it`s been a while my friend.
I just got back from a two week vacation and I can`t believe that they still haven`t announced the cast yet. I was hoping that this would be a done deal by now.

If they don`t get Welling for this movie it`ll be a really stupid move from the WB. I`m like you phil, I`m not giving up hope on Welling as superman until the actual announcement comes out.
This is the only guy I can picture as superman and I really hope that the WB are just screwing with us with these fake cast lists that keep leaking.

And as for Wellings physical look this year, I`m very pleased, he looks like comic book superman, the ONLY thing missing is bigger shoulders and he`d be good to go for putting the suit on.
He looks absolutely huge this season.

[AgentPat]

Really? Did you get to meet any of the actors?Only at weddings and funerals.

Ba da bum, *pish* :p


I'll be here all week, folks. Try the falafel. :)

http://www.bidoun.com/images/issue_7/story_1f.jpg

[phil]

Hi Phil, it`s been a while my friend.
I just got back from a two week vacation and I can`t believe that they still haven`t announced the cast yet. I was hoping that this would be a done deal by now.

If they don`t get Welling for this movie it`ll be a really stupid move from the WB. I`m like you phil, I`m not giving up hope on Welling as superman until the actual announcement comes out.
This is the only guy I can picture as superman and I really hope that the WB are just screwing with us with these fake cast lists that keep leaking.

And as for Wellings physical look this year, I`m very pleased, he looks like comic book superman, the ONLY thing missing is bigger shoulders and he`d be good to go for putting the suit on.
He looks absolutely huge this season.

hi buddy! I've been wondering where you were. Keep your finger's crossed I didn't hear the fat lady sing yet!

[Billy Batson]

You know what I love? I love that there are those of us die-hards *cough* that simply can't give up that last babyfine shred of hope, no matter how much evidence is thrown at us. Only when we get the final OFFICIAL word will that happen.

Chances look extremely grim, and anyone with any common sense would just concede that Tom is OUT of this project. End of story; time to move on.

Sometimes hope trumps common sense though. ;)

At least we'll all go down together on this. (maybe :D)

:cmad: SPARTANS!!!

"AWU!!"

[Serene]

Another "inside source" to follow:
http://forums.comingsoon.net/showthread.php?t=47533&page=15
I didn't even know comingsoon had a forum.

ETA: Oh, d'uh. I meant countingdown. Too damn many entertainment sites!

[Thunder Emperor]

In regards to her experience, she would be like the Brandon Routh of Wonder Woman casting.

at least she looks like a woman. not some young girl

[zerohour films]

You know what I love? I love that there are those of us die-hards *cough* that simply can't give up that last babyfine shred of hope, no matter how much evidence is thrown at us. Only when we get the final OFFICIAL word will that happen.

Chances look extremely grim, and anyone with any common sense would just concede that Tom is OUT of this project. End of story; time to move on.

Sometimes hope trumps common sense though. ;)

At least we'll all go down together on this. (maybe :D)


yeah, like I said--catching up on all the latest rumors and wanting to get them straight in my head.
Of course things could be twisted anyway you like to make it seem like there's a chance for him.

I have already conceded that it won't happen, but until they announce I guess anything is possible...no matter how unlikely.

[Serene]

the latest from emijayne at iesb.net.

Infamous_Emijayne wrote:
Teresa Palmer is believed to be Talia by my sources. They still have Winstead as Wonder Woman. The scrambling for a replacement on Barry Allen is from Reynolds being offered a role in a different film that opens the door for multiple movies rather than dying midway through JLA. The announcement WILL be this week. Tuesday?? I don't know. It is entirely possible though. I told Robert the other day that MM was believed to be CGI because he can't control his morphing ability and stays in alien form for 99% of the film.

Keep in mind, there is loads of false info out there. I'm not even sure of my own people anymore. Hell, my post about Welling not being in it could be false. Nothing would surprise me at this stage. I just want to know who is or isn't in it from WB so we discuss how good or bad the film will end up.


Sync? We need a lolercoaster picture. :D

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I can buy Teresa as Talia

[Serene]

Sync? We need a lolercoaster picture. :D

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6083/lolercoastermr0.jpg

[phil]

the latest from emijayne at iesb.net.

Infamous_Emijayne wrote:
Teresa Palmer is believed to be Talia by my sources. They still have Winstead as Wonder Woman. The scrambling for a replacement on Barry Allen is from Reynolds being offered a role in a different film that opens the door for multiple movies rather than dying midway through JLA. The announcement WILL be this week. Tuesday?? I don't know. It is entirely possible though. I told Robert the other day that MM was believed to be CGI because he can't control his morphing ability and stays in alien form for 99% of the film.

Keep in mind, there is loads of false info out there. I'm not even sure of my own people anymore. Hell, my post about Welling not being in it could be false. Nothing would surprise me at this stage. I just want to know who is or isn't in it from WB so we discuss how good or bad the film will end up.


Sync? We need a lolercoaster picture. :D

Sounds good, the games back on!

So if they already have plans for the Flash with a director already onboard I wonder if all the wheels are in motion for the other spin-offs? Prequel origins sounds cool to me. Which makes me wonder if Welling is cast did they already make the deal for Millar and Gough to pen The Man of Steel to stop the bull***** and get Welling in the JL?
I hope so!

[OobeDoobBenubi]

At least it seems like everyone is saying the announcements will be this week. I just hope that is also not false info but when Reynolds decided to not do this movie I guess that could have held things up

[Prison Mike]

Reynolds dying half way through the movie would be a waste of a good actor. If he took another movie because of sequel or spin-off potential, then I would be fine with it. I would rather see him as Wally West, though.

[ZIPBAGS]

What they should do is have an older actor play Barry. Then have Reynolds play Wally. :)

With regards to what Emi just posted. That is what I said yesterday. I wonder if Warner gave Emi's source bad info (Welling not in it) to try to find out who is leaking the info. She did say that they were trying to find out who is leaking the info. While I am pretty sure Tom is not in it. This newest piece of info gives me a glimmer of a glimmer of hope. Although, Robert says that a couple of people have said its not happening and they are higher ups. :(

[Prison Mike]

^yes I agree with that!

[The Incredible Hulk]

Really? Did you get to meet any of the actors?

well I kind of know one of them on the Sixth Sense already. I did get to meet M. Night as well. On JG, I met Kevin Smith and George Carlin.

[Syncos]

Sync? We need a lolercoaster picture. :D


http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6083/lolercoastermr0.jpg


Damn, sorry. I just woke up.

[Prison Mike]

well I kind of know one of them on the Sixth Sense already. I did get to meet M. Night as well. On JG, I met Kevin Smith and George Carlin.

that's cool. Kevin Smith seems like the kind of guy you would want to have a drink with.

[Zorex]

I love how X-Files this has all become. TRUST NO ONE. Even their own sources might be lying...or lied too...!

The intrigue. The drama. The suspense.

Announcements this week would be rad. Looking at Winstead, I think she'd be a good WW.

[TheLongestDay]

it better be tuesday...at the LATEST

*whiney kid voice*

"I WANNA KNOW! I WANNA KNOW!"

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I love how X-Files this has all become

Its more like 24

CTU kidnaps a hacker & Jack has to escort him safely to this place where he can hack WB headquarters computers to find the cast list & Jack & CTU agents have to fight off WB guards :wow:

[Zing79]

I’ve stayed out of this mess entirely despite the fact my contacts have allowed me to have a spotless spoiler record since 2004; but I’ll get into this once and only once for this particular piece of non-info. Feel free to post this across your internet landscape, so everyone finally understands what is going on.

For the last little while I’ve known to be very careful about this project. I’ve discussed some things in Private Messages, but I’ve made sure to keep it to that, because the only thing I knew as fact was that WB was lying to EVERYONE about what was going on.

This isn’t an ‘insider info’ moment per say – it’s only a warning to all those who think they’re speaking to someone who knows something. There are less than 10 people total who know the real complete cast list. Every single one of these ‘lists’ being released right now have some kind of BS in them.

There is a rather obvious reason why there appears to be so many insiders right now, and that’s because WB is employing a PR tactic whereby they’ll tell anyone willing to ask about the project a bunch of lies, so they in turn will spread them.

All this info isn’t an attempt to catch a leak; it’s just them trying a new tactic to confuse the living hell out of the internet.

Robert, Emi, Clint – ALL these people are being lied to. Not necessary by their contacts, but they’re contacts have most certainly been lied to and those lies are most certainly being passed on to them.

I was told a while to ago to be careful about opening my mouth, (by two sources I’ve had since 2004 that not once have ever let me down), because they themselves were being told a different story every week as to what was going on. These sources are keenly aware of PR tactics, and they just sensed something was up. If I had posted what they were being told I would have had to change my story 4 times already -- and each time I'd be saying my #1 trusted never been wrong sources are saying this.

The cast lists are garbage, the dates about official releases are garbage. WB will just keep pumping out the lies, and they’ll announce what’s going on when they’re good and ready.

Here’s the deal – you’ll know who is cast a few days (most likely the night before) an official release, because that’s when the PR agents will get that list in their hands, and will be told to release it to their respective media outlets. Until that time, what you’re getting is a dog chasing its own tale.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

How do we know your source is not being lied to like the rest ? What makes your source so special :huh: Im not buying anything & everybody has sources now ? This whole I have sources but they told me to keep quiet is getting old. Everybody & their grandma has sources now.

[Zing79]

How do we know your source is not being lied to like the rest ? What makes your source so special :huh: Im not buying anything & everybody has sources now ? This whole I have sources but they told me to keep quiet is getting old. Everybody & their grandma has sources now.
Did you even read what I just posted? My sources have had their stories change 4 times! They ARE being lied to.

My sources didn't tell me to keep quiet because it was super secret info blah blah blah. They told me to be careful because I'd look like an idiot changing my story so many times.

Me thinks you looked over my post and put your attack hat on. May I suggest you take it off so you can understand what I'm trying to tell you.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

We already knew everybody is being lied to what your telling us is nothing new. So how is your post helpful ?

[Prison Mike]

So in summary: Trust no one.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

So in summary: Trust no one.

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/254682/img/254682.jpg

[smsvmos]

Zing mind if I ask u what that list said in each of the 4 times? There might be some truth in some part

[Thunder Emperor]

yeah Welling Will be Superman Woooohoooooo

[TheLongestDay]

yeah Welling Will be Superman Woooohoooooo

but he wont though:csad::csad::csad:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I just got off the phone with my Grandma whos daughters, boyfriend, cousins, former roomates uncle, & that uncles son knows a brother of a friend whos fathers nephew & that nephews mother works at WB & shes saying that the WB is casting a chinese Superman who doesnt speak english

:wow:

[AgentPat]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/gca0165l.jpg

[Zing79]

We already knew everybody is being lied to what your telling us is nothing new. So how is your post helpful ?
wow :whatever:

Robert, EMI, Clint -- they keep saying all this mis-information is out there, yet they continue to post info about this movie, and keep saying, well this info has more credence because my "number 1 bestest source ever" is telling me this.

Despite the fact everyone apparently knows of these lies, BS info is still getting out every day. Either you're an idiot for continuing to listen and hang on their every word, or they're being stupid for putting faith in any of their sources.

Feel free to pick one. Just don't tell me I'm stating the damn obvious, because if I was the above wouldn't still be happening each and every day.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Even though the info may be false they are at least stating it & hey some fans do like being kept in the loop on the type of bull**** these studios give scoopers. It gives us something to talk about at least :woot: & they still dont know what info is false & what isnt thats why they continue to post because no one knows anything except the WB & I may be reading whats being said but that doesnt mean I believe everything. You need to take a god damn chill pill.

[Zing79]

I just got off the phone with my Grandma whos daughters, boyfriend, cousins, former roomates uncle, & that uncles son knows a brother of a friend whos fathers nephew & that nephews mother works at WB & shes saying that the WB is casting a chinese Superman who doesnt speak english

:wow:
Seriously, I tried to be civil with you, but wont let up. You don't know jack about me, or how bang on I've been with info in the past. Instead of focusing on internet one-ups-manship may I suggest you ask someone in this damn board if I can be trusted!

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I think I am going to stick with trusting no one when it comes to news & rumors

[Mandrill]

Seriously, I tried to be civil with you, but wont let up. You don't know jack about me, or how bang on I've been with info in the past. Instead of focusing on internet one-ups-manship may I suggest you ask someone in this damn board if I can be trusted!


From what I recall you have been pretty much on the ball in the past back from the Superman casting wars before SR.

You have to hand it to WB without releasing any solid info they have sites all over the internet speculating on the casting.I will be glad when they do finally release the cast list.

[Zing79]

I think I am going to stick with trusting no one when it comes to news & rumors
And that's 100% fine. Just don't take underhanded pot shots at me like a some n00b.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Thats no n00b. Its a space station :wow:

[Pickle-El]

wow :whatever:

Robert, EMI, Clint -- they keep saying all this mis-information is out there, yet they continue to post info about this movie, and keep saying, well this info has more credence because my "number 1 bestest source ever" is telling me this.

Despite the fact everyone apparently knows of these lies, BS info is still getting out every day. Either you're an idiot for continuing to listen and hang on their every word, or they're being stupid for putting faith in any of their sources.

Feel free to pick one. Just don't tell me I'm stating the damn obvious, because if I was the above wouldn't still be happening each and every day.

Possibly the best post in this entire thread. :up:

[Syncos]

Thats no n00b. Its a space station :wow:

We already knew that was a space station. What your telling us is nothing new. So how is your post helpful ?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

We already knew that was a space station. What your telling us is nothing new. So how is your post helpful ?

That is such a lame ass try at trying to be a copy catter

[Syncos]

That is such a lame ass try at trying to be a copy catter

Really? Because I was under the impression I was mocking you. Guess i'll try harder next time.

[TheLongestDay]

WB...see what you are doing here? the seeds of dissent bear bitter fruit...SO GIVE US THE DAMN CAST LIST ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Really? Because I was under the impression I was mocking you. Guess i'll try harder next time.

Mocking / Copy Catter whatever it was a lame ass attempt

[triplet]

the latest from emijayne at iesb.net (http://iesb.net).

Infamous_Emijayne wrote:
Teresa Palmer is believed to be Talia by my sources. They still have Winstead as Wonder Woman. The scrambling for a replacement on Barry Allen is from Reynolds being offered a role in a different film that opens the door for multiple movies rather than dying midway through JLA. The announcement WILL be this week. Tuesday?? I don't know. It is entirely possible though. I told Robert the other day that MM was believed to be CGI because he can't control his morphing ability and stays in alien form for 99% of the film.

Keep in mind, there is loads of false info out there. I'm not even sure of my own people anymore. Hell, my post about Welling not being in it could be false. Nothing would surprise me at this stage. I just want to know who is or isn't in it from WB so we discuss how good or bad the film will end up.


Sync? We need a lolercoaster picture. :D

OMG!

I thought this was over!

*sigh*

Where's the beer?

wow :whatever:

Robert, EMI, Clint -- they keep saying all this mis-information is out there, yet they continue to post info about this movie, and keep saying, well this info has more credence because my "number 1 bestest source ever" is telling me this.

Despite the fact everyone apparently knows of these lies, BS info is still getting out every day. Either you're an idiot for continuing to listen and hang on their every word, or they're being stupid for putting faith in any of their sources.

Feel free to pick one. Just don't tell me I'm stating the damn obvious, because if I was the above wouldn't still be happening each and every day.

Right now I'm not trusting anyone. Emi said her normal sources are 100% accurate yet they've changed their stories several times.... Robert hasn't said the same thing but I hate that forum and their stupid six post pages, I am not going to troll through it again.

I got a review to work on.

But clearly everyone is getting lied to and there is no point in believing anyone either way in any event.

Either Tom's in or he's out but it's now crystal that we won't know until they officially announce the cast.

*sigh*

I want off this ride.

I think I am going to stick with trusting no one when it comes to news & rumors

What you said!

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I won't believe anything more I guess until an official announcement, though I would be lying something didn't light up in me when I see someone hinting at Tom being back in the race...
I guess we can be realistical about it but there's nothing wrong with hoping. There's always a chance if you never give up. Superman taught us that.

[ZIPBAGS]

So in summary: Trust no one.

Like I said earlier in this thread. Here is the man who is behind all of these cast lists....
http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mdownes/bdhome/csm1.jpg

:woot:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

One thing for sure is that if casting really is done then the real thing will sooner or later leak out. They can not keep something secret this big for very long.

[triplet]

I won't believe anything more I guess until an official announcement, though I would be lying something didn't light up in me when I see someone hinting at Tom being back in the race...
I guess we can be realistical about it but there's nothing wrong with hoping. There's always a chance if you never give up. Superman taught us that.

Well, emi's comments rekindled my hope and it's hanging on by a hair thin thread, but I'm seriously skeptical of anyone with "inside sources" at this point...

What Zing said is true: everyone's getting lied to. Why continue to hang on their every word?

I'm not.

I need to do a page one rewrite of my review, totally sucking right now, so I'll maybe check back in later once it's done.

[Syncos]

One thing for sure is that if casting really is done then the real thing will sooner or later leak out. They can not keep something secret this big for very long.

That's the thing, though. Even if the actual cast list -does- get revealed. Who's going to believe it, at this point?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Okay lets just stick with sooner rather then later fans & scoopers will end up not giving a damn about this movie & the joke will be on WB

[avidreader]

I need to do a page one rewrite of my review, totally sucking right now, so I'll maybe check back in later once it's done.

Need someone to review your review??? :yay:

[Tomwelling4sups]

give us the cast list damnit!@!!!!!!!!! :mad: :D :mad: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[The Incredible Hulk]

well I've heard 4 different people tell me that we'll have it by Tuesday. Then again "something unforeseen" will probably happen. :)

[ZIPBAGS]

I posted this on the Justice League forum. But, I know some of you don't go there. I thought some of you might enjoy it.

A few weeks ago. I posted who my daughter wanted cast in JL. With all of the nonsense about who is what and is it real. I thought I would lighten the mood a bit.. Hope you enjoy it. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQr9FEAGm3I

(And yes. I know I spelled Joel Schumacher's name wrong on it. ;) )

[Tomwelling4sups]

HAHAHAHA That was cute zb:up:

The kid who played young lex in "reunion" as Batman? lol :D

[rumpuso]

I posted this on the Justice League forum. But, I know some of you don't go there. I thought some of you might enjoy it.

A few weeks ago. I posted who my daughter wanted cast in JL. With all of the nonsense about who is what and is it real. I thought I would lighten the mood a bit.. Hope you enjoy it. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQr9FEAGm3I

(And yes. I know I spelled Joel Schumacher's name wrong on it. ;) )

You have no idea how fast I'd be dragged to the theaters to see this film if this was the real cast. Of course, my daughter is 10, which is perfect for this promo. :yay:

Thank god they are going with a bit older crowd than this. A mom can only handle so much Disney.

Cute promo however.

[Eddie Brock]

The irony is:

Those were better casting choices than some of the rumors we've heard.

:woot:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

A Green Lantern solo movie was just announced after the Flash solo movie was

[TheLongestDay]

Where?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Where?

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117974886.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

[TheLongestDay]

cheerz caboose

[OobeDoobBenubi]

So we got Green Lantern & Flash solo movies in the works. Whos next :huh:

[Serene]

I posted this on the Justice League forum. But, I know some of you don't go there. I thought some of you might enjoy it.

A few weeks ago. I posted who my daughter wanted cast in JL. With all of the nonsense about who is what and is it real. I thought I would lighten the mood a bit.. Hope you enjoy it. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQr9FEAGm3I

(And yes. I know I spelled Joel Schumacher's name wrong on it. ;) )

That was great, Zip! I'd have to go too, my god-daughter is CRAZY for Hannah Montana, and that whole Hairspray crew. That would be a riot. :D

[The Incredible Hulk]

So we got Green Lantern & Flash solo movies in the works. Whos next :huh:

I'd like to get an actual Superman movie one of these days...




(waits for the "lurkers" to post the eye roll smiley ;) )

[Tomwelling4sups]

A Green Lantern solo movie was just announced after the Flash solo movie was

Awesome! :up:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I hope these new guys & gals are ready to commit to these movies for the rest of their life. But they probably wont care because these movies will give them steady pay checks & will increase their popularity quite a bit

[TheLongestDay]

now the big question...

will it be

Hal Jordan?

Kyle Rayner?

John Stewart?

Guy Gardner?

G'nort?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

now the big question...

will it be

Hal Jordan?

Kyle Rayner?

John Stewart?

Guy Gardner?

G'nort?

I think it is safe to say the solo movies will feature the characters & actors who are in Justice League. It makes sense

[Syncos]

now the big question...

will it be

Hal Jordan?

Kyle Rayner?

John Stewart?

Guy Gardner?

G'nort?

Kilowog :D

[Tomwelling4sups]

Kilowog :D

roflmao :D

[TheLongestDay]

Kilowog :D

hey i thinka film about a giant pink hippo alien would be AMAZING!

...the kids would love it

[Syncos]

hey i thinka film about a giant pink hippo alien would be AMAZING!

...the kids would love it

Run punch piggyman would steal the show for realizes.

[TheLongestDay]

well i think in all honesty the should do a GL movie like a Star wars,with some great supporting characters who are just as important as the main star (which like caboose said would obviously be john)

failing that it should be a buddy cop type movie like rush hour..............


.......just kidding! lol

[OobeDoobBenubi]

John - Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth

Guardians - Nobody understand the words that are coming out of your mouth

[Tomwelling4sups]

John - Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth

Guardians - Nobody understand the words that are coming out of your mouth

Kilowog - Duuuhhhh Huh?

[Syncos]

I would love to see a movie like training day meets star wars.

hear me out on this one. Hal trains John, then he goes all evil. and John takes over. Maybe we could get Hal saying "King Kong, Aint got Nothin, ON ME"

:up: :D:D

[ZIPBAGS]

You have no idea how fast I'd be dragged to the theaters to see this film if this was the real cast. Of course, my daughter is 10, which is perfect for this promo. :yay:

Thank god they are going with a bit older crowd than this. A mom can only handle so much Disney.

Cute promo however.

My daughter is 10 also. :D

[TheLongestDay]

John - Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth

Guardians - Nobody understand the words that are coming out of your mouth

HAHAHAHA!:woot:

[TheLongestDay]

as long as Jackie Chan is playing Sinestro-im happy

[Tomwelling4sups]

Tom is Superman :super:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5313/twcityhallposerx2.png

[AgentPat]

Things just got.... interesting over at IESB. :wow:

And on another unrelated but happy note, the Boston Red Sox just won the World Series. :woot: :up:

[herolee10]

not by me...found this over at Bluetights

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2858/supermandpadis4.jpg

[Zing79]

Things just got.... interesting over at IESB. :wow:

And on another unrelated but happy note, the Boston Red Sox just won the World Series. :woot: :up:

/Goes over and checks.
Oh look, the talk around Hollywood is....:whatever:

Let me guess. His most trusted source gave out that info? I shall repeat for those playing along at home. ANY person who works in the biz (or is connected to those involved with this project) that is willing to ask questions is going to be fed a pack of lies.

But let's go ahead and debunk this regardless. Any talk involving Gough and Millar needs to reference one of my earlier posts about the financial aspects of SV. A production credit and a few crappy million for JLA is not going to cause Gough/Millar to jeopardize SV and the huge windfall they get from said show. Even if they only get 10% of what SV makes, that’s a lot of money to risk on a proven billion dollar franchise for one that could crash and burn as SR did.

The only way they take this risk if they're given the keys to the kingdom and allowed to produce MOS (and its sequels), and how likely is that? Would you do it (give them that kind of power), JUST so you could get one actor to play a role in an ensemble film? Welling isn't that big or that important. Hell no actor in Hollywood is.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Things just got.... interesting over at IESB. :wow:


What happened at IESB ?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Keaton as Batman & Welling getting 6 million dollars to be in this movie ? Okay those are ****ing laughable

[AgentPat]

/Goes over and checks.
Oh look, the talk around Hollywood is....:whatever:

Let me guess. His most trusted source gave out that info? I shall repeat for those playing along at home. ANY person who works in the biz (or is connected to those involved with this project) that is willing to ask questions is going to be fed a pack of lies.

But let's go ahead and debunk this regardless. Any talk involving Gough and Millar needs to reference one of my earlier posts about the financial aspects of SV. A production credit and a few crappy million for JLA is not going to cause Gough/Millar to jeopardize SV and the huge windfall they get from said show. Even if they only get 10% of what SV makes, that’s a lot of money to risk on a proven billion dollar franchise for one that could crash and burn as SR did.

The only way they take this risk if they're given the keys to the kingdom and allowed to produce MOS (and its sequels), and how likely is that? Would you do it (give them that kind of power), JUST so you could get one actor to play a role in an ensemble film? Welling isn't that big or that important. Hell no actor in Hollywood is.Hey, all I said it that it was... interesting. :p

I can watch and observe the fish in the bowl, can't I? LOL ;)



<---- http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/popcorn.gif

[bootspark]

Pat, you notice how that Lady Marmalade chick hasnt confirmed nor denied anything about TW?

And Zing, Welling is VERY important. He has played Clark Kent on the most popular and influential Superman show of all time for 7 years. He is the "popular" choice for the general public and fans alike. WB knows this.

Gough/Miller would END the show in a heartbeat if given the "keys to the kingdom."

All we have is half pieces to a much larger puzzle.

IMO, something IS going on BTS we dont know about.

JackMercy? Anything new?

[Zing79]

Hey, all I said it that it was... interesting. :p

I can watch and observe the fish in the bowl, can't I? LOL ;)



<---- http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/popcorn.gif
Watching this play out is just getting annoying for me. So much hope for something that has no basis for belief at this point.

It sucks watching people want him so bad for this role. Seeing them create hope from every unknown post that pops up with info. Knowing that not only are the odds not good that Welling will ever play Superman, the deck may actually be stacked against it.

[Zing79]

]And Zing, Welling is VERY important. He has played Clark Kent on the most popular and influential Superman show of all time for 7 years. He is the "popular" choice for the general public and fans alike. WB knows this.

Gough/Miller would END the show in a heartbeat if given the "keys to the kingdom."
WB knows it, but I doubt they're willing to give G&M all that money just to get him. It's one thing to pay HIM plenty of money, and bend over backwards for HIM. It's quite another to have to concede to his wishes, AND G&M (who's financial requests would dwarf what was needed to make Welling happy).

And you're right, G&M would gladly take the keys to the kingdom -- but WB may not be as willing to hand them over.

[Tomwelling4sups]

not by me...found this over at Bluetights

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2858/supermandpadis4.jpg


Awesome work by neilzy :up:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

WB knows it, but I doubt they're willing to give G&M all that money just to get him. It's one thing to pay HIM plenty of money, and bend over backwards for HIM. It's quite another to have to concede to his wishes, AND G&M (who's financial requests would dwarf what was needed to make Welling happy).

And you're right, G&M would gladly take the keys to the kingdom -- but WB may not be as willing to hand them over.

I could understand the WB willing to give G & M producer credit & that but Welling to take this role just for the 6 million ? Come on u would think if asked he would want the role not for the cash. I just find Welling wanting 6 million dollars for this movie after all of these years hard to believe.

[bootspark]

Zing, one thing I dont understand is....

Welling's contract is with WB/CW, NOT with Gough/Miller. So why would they have anything to do with wether or not Welling plays Superman in a film?

And...Would things have been better/easier if WB never made SR and had waited for Smallville to finish its run?

Just think....SV the show is a "billion" dollar franchise. A SV FILM franchise would have been another "billion" dollars.

[AgentPat]

See? I almost don't want to comment lest I be accused of being naïve and foolish for merely playing along.

From a business POV, there's a lot to ruminate. Can we even talk about this stuff hypothetically anymore w/o people breaking a blood vessel?

[Zing79]

I could understand the WB willing to give G & M producer credit & that but Welling to take this role just for the 6 million ? Come on u would think if asked he would want the role not for the cash. I just find Welling wanting 6 million dollars for this movie after all of these years hard to believe.
Well it's stated it's 6 million plus points. Points means he's getting a percentage take of the gross on top of his millions (this little gem is usually only reserved for A listers -- further proof this rumour is nonsense). If he's getting 6 million plus points that's a pay day of easily over 10 million dollars. That's an obscene amount of money to pay him when you consider they still have to cast all the other leaguers.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Knowing everything what we know about Tom I cant see him being a greedy bastard & wanting that much money for a role he should love to do at any price. Unless he has a dark side we dont know about

[ariellem]

Like I said earlier in this thread. Here is the man who is behind all of these cast lists....
http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/%7Emdownes/bdhome/csm1.jpg

:woot:

CSM is in bed (metaphorically, not literally!) with the Luthors, I expect. I'd bet they do each others' dirty work.

[bootspark]

See? I almost don't want to comment lest I be accused of being naïve and foolish for merely playing along.

From a business POV, there's a lot to ruminate. Can we even talk about this stuff hypothetically anymore w/o people breaking a blood vessel?

Pat, please comment. Id love to hear your thoughts on this.

If Smallville the show is a "billion" dollar franchise as Zing puts it. Wouldnt a Smallville "FILM" franchise be another "billion" dollars? Should WB have waited till SV is done to make the film and not made SR?

Sorry about repeating myself.

[Zing79]

Zing, one thing I dont understand is....

Welling's contract is with WB/CW, NOT with Gough/Miller. So why would they have anything to do with wether or not Welling plays Superman in a film?

And...Would things have been better/easier if WB never made SR and had waited for Smallville to finish its run?

Just think....SV the show is a "billion" dollar franchise. A SV FILM franchise would have been another "billion" dollars.
I always hear this argument. The same argument keeps coming up for Bale as well. I would like to hear where its officially stated that the contract is solely with WB (for both men)

I find it extremely hard to believe that G&M Ink doesn't have some kind of contract with Welling over Smallville. They would literally be the dumbest men in Hollywood if they didn't have some sort of deal worked out with him.

[Mig-El]

<hypothetically> ;) Does Tom deserve 6 mil? After 7 years of Smallville, I'd think so, imho.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Alan - Hi Tom have a seat

Tom - Sup yo

Alan - I asked you here today if you would like to be Superman in the Justice League Movie

Tom - Sweet but under one conditition

Alan - What would that be

Tom - 6 million dollars

Alan - hahahahahahahahahahaha

Tom - & then some

Alan - :wow:

Tom - Im kidding

Both - hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Tom - Or am I

Alan - :wow: We should have asked Dean Cain

[Tomwelling4sups]

^ lol caboose :D

[AgentPat]

<hypothetically> ;) Does Tom deserve 6 mil? After 7 years of Smallville, I'd think so, imho.HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, I'd say that's a pretty reasonable guess for what Welling would be worth in this kind of film, Mig-El. I might have said more, but any shark lawyer *cough* would tell you points are FAR more valuable and worth taking a lower salary so you can get a cut off the BO. This approach btw is becoming more and more common. It's not just the Tom Cruises in the world that are negotiating for these kind of deals - and landing 'em!

As to the value of the SV franchise, it's really hard to guess, Boots. Zing made a ton of valid points the other day, but the show IS winding down, and I find some of the recent titles (Hero? Persona?!) suspicious.

Net profits for films come mostly from home video sales. Approximately 60% of the total gross profits for most major films come from that market. But unlike films, which peak when the home video streets and then slowly die down over a few weeks, television show home video sales remain fairly constant, provided the show is still on the air. SV titles are routinely at the TOP of all Superman titles sold.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/dvd/923880/

Broadcast rights for films average approximately 15% of the domestic B.O. gross, so for a film that made $200M, they'd get about $30M to air it on TV. CW charges its sponsors $95K per 60 second ad spot during SV. The show averages 18 minutes of commercials per hour and has 22 first run episodes per year. Doing the math, that's $37,620,000 million dollars per season. Figure another $50K per minute for each repeated episode, and the total is now $57,420,000. Of course, that's revenue to CW, not Warners. But they make up for it in other places, particularly since they're not paying to produce the show, unlike feature films where they either split the costs with investors, or lay it all out themselves. I'm not sure what the deal is with JL. I know the financing for the SR franchise was being shared with Legendary.

There are MANY other sources of revenue and ancillaries, but most discussion usually ends with Warners Features trumping Warner Television, and ultimately, that's what we're dealing with here. Add to the fact that CW is doing horrible right now. While it might make sense to order an eighth season of SV, a Supergirl spin-off might be more financially doable. Because 4 million dollars per episode (ish) adds up after a while, and they *might* be able to produce a Supergirl show for half that considering it would be starting at Season One, not Season Eight. Rosenbaum not coming back for S8 really throws a monkey wrench into things too. We can fanwank around that all we want, but CW might be concerned about how the show would do w/o the main villain. It's hard to know; none of us work there.

Finally, there's the subjective points about differing opinions at Warners and how nobody seems to be able to agree with how to proceed with...


wait for it.....


Singer's franchise.

But since there's literally THOUSANDS of posts about that over yonder and on other message boards, I'll let discussion about that subject continue there.

[Thunder Emperor]

HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, I'd say that's a pretty reasonable guess for what Welling would be worth in this kind of film, Mig-El. I might have said more, but any shark lawyer *cough* would tell you points are FAR more valuable and worth taking a lower salary so you can get a cut off the BO. This approach btw is becoming more and more common. It's not just the Tom Cruises in the world that are negotiating for these kind of deals - and landing 'em!

As to the value of the SV franchise, it's really hard to guess, Boots. Zing made a ton of valid points the other day, but the show IS winding down, and I find some of the recent titles (Hero? Persona?!) suspicious.

Net profits for films come mostly from home video sales. Approximately 60% of the total gross profits for most major films come from that market. But unlike films, which peak when the home video streets and then slowly die down over a few weeks, television show home video sales remain fairly constant, provided the show is still on the air. SV titles are routinely at the TOP of all Superman titles sold.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/dvd/923880/

Broadcast rights for films average approximately 15% of the domestic B.O. gross, so for a film that made $200M, they'd get about $30M to air it on TV. CW charges its sponsors $95K per 60 second ad spot during SV. The show averages 18 minutes of commercials per hour and has 22 first run episodes per year. Doing the math, that's $37,620,000 million dollars per season. Figure another $50K per minute for each repeated episode, and the total is now $57,420,000. Of course, that's revenue to CW, not Warners. But they make up for it in other places, particularly since they're not paying to produce the show, unlike feature films where they either split the costs with investors, or lay it all out themselves. I'm not sure what the deal is with JL. I know the financing for the SR franchise was being shared with Legendary.

There are MANY other sources of revenue and ancillaries, but most discussion usually ends with Warners Features trumping Warner Television, and ultimately, that's what we're dealing with here. Add to the fact that CW is doing horrible right now. While it might make sense to order an eighth season of SV, a Supergirl spin-off might be more financially doable. Because 4 million dollars per episode (ish) adds up after a while, and they *might* be able to produce a Supergirl show for half that considering it would be starting at Season One, not Season Eight. Rosenbaum not coming back for S8 really throws a monkey wrench into things too. We can fanwank around that all we want, but CW might be concerned about how the show would do w/o the main villain. It's hard to know; none of us work there.

Finally, there's the subjective points about differing opinions at Warners and how nobody seems to be able to agree with how to proceed with...


wait for it.....


Singer's franchise.

But since there's literally THOUSANDS of posts about that over yonder and on other message boards, I'll let discussion about that subject continue there.


Go Sox Pats, next Pats

[SuperDaniel]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Wellingsupes.jpg

[AgentPat]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Wellingsupes.jpg Niiiice. :up:

I could get used to that... :hyper:





TE, next up, Indianapolis on Sunday. An undefeated shall fall! :wow:

[Tomwelling4sups]

Niiiice. :up:

I could get used to that... :hyper:





TE, next up, Indianapolis on Sunday. An undefeated shall fall! :wow:

Yup, poor Pats are about to get stomped by my Colts ;)

[Thunder Emperor]

Yup, poor Pats are about to get stomped by my Colts ;)

let me tell you what will happen this week. By tuesday you will find out Tome Welling is Superman, thursday will be another great eps of Smallville. and by 7.30 pm on Sun you realize the Pats are well 9-0 wooohooo

[LexCorp]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Wellingsupes.jpg

Not bad, in fact very good!

[ZIPBAGS]

Can someone PLEASE tell me whats been said over at IESB?????

Thanks!

[musclesforsupes]

Okay,

I have been away a few days, read on IESB that Welling is getting 6million for the role and miller and gough is getting executive producers on the film JLA. Is this confirmed!?! :)

[Prison Mike]

It's Monday. Where's the damn cast list?

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL relax man, it's like 7:30 AM on the West Coast right now.... that being said, most places other than that "lalate" site were saying Tuesday anyway...

[Prison Mike]

I was just kidding. They all said Tuesday? What's one more day then.

[DvilDog]

I doubt we will hear anything today. I think in all likely hood if we hear anything at all this week it would be Wednesday. Just something tells me WB wants to keep this in the can for as long as they possibly can.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

LadyM:
The announcement is scheduled for Tuesday. LA Time & it's also not out of the realm of possibility that it could happen Wednesday

[DvilDog]

well there you go. Guess I should read over at IESB more.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Infamous_Emijayne wrote:
The announcement is scheduled for Tuesday. LA Time & it's also not out of the realm of possibility that it could happen Wednesday

that was Lady M not emijayne...

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Knowin the WB expect it on Wednesday

[Prison Mike]

It will all be clear in a day or two.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

that was Lady M not emijayne...

Oh guess I quoted it wrong whoos "changes"

[DvilDog]

knowing WB dont expect anything solid?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

knowing WB dont expect anything solid?

That 2 :o

[The Incredible Hulk]

Jesus, Id love to see this come true:


Folks, this is to compare to what comes out. It is the full list of names I have that I was told is only part right. Which part?? Couldn't tell you. But there are at least 2 other lists out there that WB leaked.

Welling - Superman
Duhamel - Batman
Gosling - Aquaman
Winstead - Wonder Woman
Common - Green Lantern
Reynolds - Barry Allen
Brody - Wally West
CGI for Martian Manhunter
Palmer - Talia
Meyers - Maxwell Lord

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I want to see the other lists just to see how ****ed up they are :o

[Prison Mike]

Gosling as Aquaman? This cast list would have been perfect.

[Paradoxium]

Tom getting 6 million? No way. Considering Bale is getting 4-5 million per Bat film. Routh was under a million.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

If Tom Welling got 6 million for doing this then the others must have got 5 dollars :ninja:

[Prison Mike]

Over at the Superman Returns forums, people were saying that Routh only got $300,000 for the role. I know Tom is worth WAY more than that but 6 million does seem a lot. If Bale isn't even getting that much for BB or TDK, then I doubt Welling would recieve that much.

[DvilDog]

seeing as bale is a bigger name than welling. If welling were cast I could only see him getting 1-2 mill at most. I mean stranger things have happened. Everyone wanted Tom so bad so the wb did anything and everything they could to get tom and that was his price. But maybe that price is for say 3 movies instead of just this one. A 3 picture deal for 6 million doesnt sound too far fetched

[Prison Mike]

yeah, that would make 2 million per picture, which is reasonable for his status.

[The Incredible Hulk]

you guys are debating this $6 million thing WAY too much. The guy that posted it was some lunatic who posts everything in capitals. it was BS, lets move on.

[musclesforsupes]

:cmad: Jesus, Id love to see this come true:



WTF would the WB leak a list with Welling as Superman, and then leak one with him not it. Dont they know the backlash that will happen if he is not cast as supes!

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Fans would get over it muscles. The only one here taking things way to seriously when it comes to Welling is you. Most are not expecting it to happen. Im guessing you would commit suicide or something if Welling is not casted knowing you.

[DvilDog]

you guys are debating this $6 million thing WAY too much. The guy that posted it was some lunatic who posts everything in capitals. it was BS, lets move on.


moving on!

[Paradoxium]

OH noes teeeh CaSTeD CASTED CASTED CASTED. Ooops did someone say CASTED? AS IN CAST WITH "ED". All this money and teh casted talk has me posting this picture again :D

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2460/jokexc8.jpg

[DvilDog]

Fans would get over it muscles. The only one here taking things way to seriously when it comes to Welling is you. Most are not expecting it to happen. Im guessing you would commit suicide or something if Welling is not casted knowing you.

Mondays are not a good day for you I take it. I dont think any suicides are going to take place if welling isnt cast.

[DvilDog]

OH noes teeeh CaSTeD CASTED CASTED CASTED. Ooops did someone say CASTED? AS IN CAST WITH "ED". All this money and teh casted talk has me posting this picture again :D

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2460/jokexc8.jpg


Freaking Hilarious :woot:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I bold "casted" for a reason & I only use "casted" because it annoys some people here :woot:

[DvilDog]

I bold "casted" for a reason & I only use "casted" because it annoys some people here :woot:


I know thats why I bolded cast. Who needs casting wars when we have the grammar wars!!!! MU HA HA HA.

[Prison Mike]

If Welling isn't cast then I may get bitter for like a day. Then life goes on and I will probably see the movie anyway no matter who is cast.

[triplet]

I don't know if Latino Heat knows what he's talking about....

6 million does seem like a lot but consider how desperate they are to sign Tom. He's a very smart man and I'm sure he's hired the best sharks he could.

His dad is an executive VP with GM, or was, so I'm sure he would give his dad would be giving Tom very good advice on how to handle contract negotiations.

[DvilDog]

happy Monday Trip

[ZIPBAGS]

How much does Tom make per Smallville episode?

[The Incredible Hulk]

I bold "casted" for a reason & I only use "casted" because it annoys some people here :woot:


well in your defense, you were annoying long before you said that word ;)

[triplet]

happy Monday Trip

I'm not sure how happy it is for me... got my review languishing unfinished on my thumb drive and I don't know how I'm going to find time to work on it today.

With the other tech support agents getting the sack on Friday, we've have calls holding almost all day so far. Barely had time to breathe, the only reason I'm able to post now is because I'm on a long ass conference call & they put me on hold...

*sigh*

How much does Tom make per Smallville episode?

I don't know if anyone knows, but I would guess somwhere probably close to 100k by this time in the series.

He will get added fees for when he directs, whatever the DGA minimums are I would think.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

well in your defense, you were annoying long before you said that word ;)

Well in your defense you have your moments so I wouldnt be talking :woot:

[musclesforsupes]

Uh I am not depressed about Welling if he is not cast. However would I be bummed out, sure. This will be worse of a let down then during 04 during the casting wars over SR. Plus with Robert going on TV never the less saying "Smallville fans wont be dissapointed!" How am I going to take this kind of news? Of course I will be down.


However I have been away all weekend, and I read all this stuff I thought something new ;happened.

[avidreader]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Wellingsupes.jpg

I think that's the best manip I've seen yet. Awesome job!! :up:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I think that's the best manip I've seen yet. Awesome job!! :up:

You know thats the suit from the movie that shall not be named :ninja:

[Tomwelling4sups]

OH noes teeeh CaSTeD CASTED CASTED CASTED. Ooops did someone say CASTED? AS IN CAST WITH "ED". All this money and teh casted talk has me posting this picture again :D

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2460/jokexc8.jpg

BWHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA :D :up:

let me tell you what will happen this week. By tuesday you will find out Tome Welling is Superman, thursday will be another great eps of Smallville. and by 7.30 pm on Sun you realize the Pats are well 9-0 wooohooo

I'll be at work :(

but my co-workers will tell me how the colts won :cool:

[musclesforsupes]

I still hold out hope because if the WB was releasing a list of people attached to JLA and then include welling and dont cast him, then the masses will be pissed.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

What masses ? Fan boys only take up not even 1 % of the General Audience. You know the people that dont care if the movie matches the comics perfectly & stuff like that. Thats the audience studios go for.

[KalKai]

Was that the real cast list LadyM gave out & edited a second later? lol.

[KalKai]

She spilled it again:

Since the announcement isn't happening today or tomorrow now -

SUPERMAN - WAIT AND SEE
BATMAN - Jonathan Rhys Myers

GREEN LANTERN - Michael Trucco
MARTIAN MANHUNTER - CGI - Voiced by Carl Lumbly
FLASH - WALLY WEST - Michael Angarano
WONDER WOMAN - Teresa Palmer
MAX LORD - Josh Duhamel

AQUAMAN (Cameo)- CGI - Voiced by Scott Jayneemi
Green Arrow (Cameo) - Rupert Evans
Hawkman (cameo) - Jonathan Rhys Myers

Also Casted in other roles:
Mary Winstead
Common

[OobeDoobBenubi]

So now the announcement isnt happening & that is a horrible ****ing list. Hopefully she is talking out of her ass there

[musclesforsupes]

She spilled it again:


So that myers guys is playing two roles?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

So that myers guys is playing two roles?

LMAO just noticed that & she didnt :huh:

[Zorex]

Haha. These "casted" lists get funnier every day.

[zerohour films]

Originally Posted by LadyMarmalade
Since the announcement isn't happening today or tomorrow now -

SUPERMAN - WAIT AND SEE
BATMAN - Jonathan Rhys Myers

GREEN LANTERN - Michael Trucco
MARTIAN MANHUNTER - CGI - Voiced by Carl Lumbly
FLASH - WALLY WEST - Michael Angarano
WONDER WOMAN - Teresa Palmer
MAX LORD - Josh Duhamel

AQUAMAN (Cameo)- CGI - Voiced by Scott Jayneemi
Green Arrow (Cameo) - Rupert Evans
Hawkman (cameo) - Jonathan Rhys Myers

Also Casted in other roles:
Mary Winstead
Common
-----------------------------------------------------

Wait a minute...I smell something fishy. Isn't Jayneemi just EmiJayne the CountingDown chick spelled kinda backwards.
That must mean Tom is Superman!!!!! :woot:

Hey have to do something to pass the time before the announcement.

[KalKai]

I have no idea, doesn't make much sense.

[KalKai]

It's BS, forget it lol.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

New rule

This movie is not happening

Those actors are trying out for solo movies

& the WB is using Justice League as a cover up

There is just to much ****ing **** going on now for Justice League

[triplet]

She spilled it again:


Since the announcement isn't happening today or tomorrow now -

SUPERMAN - WAIT AND SEE
BATMAN - Jonathan Rhys Myers

GREEN LANTERN - Michael Trucco
MARTIAN MANHUNTER - CGI - Voiced by Carl Lumbly
FLASH - WALLY WEST - Michael Angarano
WONDER WOMAN - Teresa Palmer
MAX LORD - Josh Duhamel

AQUAMAN (Cameo)- CGI - Voiced by Scott Jayneemi
Green Arrow (Cameo) - Rupert Evans
Hawkman (cameo) - Jonathan Rhys Myers

Also Casted in other roles:
Mary Winstead
Common



Okay, that list sorta makes sense but why is JRM listed twice?

:confused:

Interesting the Superman name is still being withheld but who the heck are Michael Angarano & Michael Trucco?

*shrug*

MT's white, I guess that means they're going Hal Jordan instead of John Stewart, but why?

All the rumors had previously said that it would be JS and not HJ for Green Lantern.

Unless this list, also, is BS.

*shrug*

[triplet]

Originally Posted by LadyMarmalade

AQUAMAN (Cameo)- CGI - Voiced by Scott Jayneemi


Wait a minute...I smell something fishy. Isn't Jayneemi just EmiJayne the CountingDown chick spelled kinda backwards.
That must mean Tom is Superman!!!!! :woot:

Hey have to do something to pass the time before the announcement.

LOL!

I bet you're right...

I tried plugging that name into IMDB and got bupkus.

:D
It's BS, forget it lol.

Well, seemed a bit like it so that doesn't surprise me.

*sigh*

[triplet]

*blinks*

:eek:

Wow.... LadyMarmalade just admitted to putting out false names to try and get emijayne to release the names she'd been given and I guess that worked but it might also indicate that emi knows didly...

Nor should you buy what Emijayne had to say either. This was unavoidable in order to expose her. Rhys Meyers has nothing to do with this film. Emijayne private messaged me and showed me her list (wich i told her to post on public,, and she did). She also asked me who was going to be Superman.........

[OobeDoobBenubi]

This is like a circus

[C. Lee]

I bold "casted" for a reason & I only use "casted" because it annoys some people here :woot:

And posting things just to annoy others is called trolling.........

[DvilDog]

so much gibberish over at IESB that I cant make heads or tails of any of it. I give up.

[musclesforsupes]

If welling is cast I would not be shocked now. Hell Dean Cain could be cast and I wouldnt be shocked. This is so worse than 04.

[DvilDog]

glad I wasnt part of those wars lol.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Its not fannies VS fannies this time. Its fannies VS the WB & scoopers :o

[DvilDog]

I dont have anything against WB either. If they dont cast welling im not gonna check a rifle out from the armory and go after the higher ups at WB. They just wont get my money at the theater. Not like they really care i get the reduced rate anyway. so whats 4.50 to them? wont even buy you a pack of smokes in LA lol.

On a side note the stuff happening over at IESB is horrible. whoever this LM lady is.... wow i cant even put it into words.

[musclesforsupes]

Maybe a WB plant? Maybe Robert and Emi Got served a noticed not to talk about it no more till the offical announcment.

[Prognosticator]

muscles, sorry about the MB thread :csad:

[LastSon Kal-El]

I'll be the first to admit, that Lady M. achieved exactly what she set out to do. The activity at IESB has been crazy since she starting posting with cast info. etc. My heads ready to explode with all the back and forth "information". It's truly time to wait for the official word.

Waiting patiently......

[musclesforsupes]

muscles, sorry about the MB thread :csad:


MB? :(

[Syncos]

My brain hurts. :csad:

[DvilDog]

My brain hurts. :csad:


Dont feel bad that starts for me every morning I wake up

[musclesforsupes]

EMI's latest from IESB.

Infamous_Emijayne (User)

Senior Boarder

Posts: 50



Re:Justice league rumor control 0 Minutes ago Karma: 2
I've had dozens of people emailing me about countless rumors. I don't believe that you weren't the one who emailed me about Max Lord. You created how many accounts on here to try and make me look bad but you expect me and anyone else to believe you weren't feeding me info claiming to be an insider??

But let me clear the air on a few things. I emailed Robert and told him about MM possibly being CGI before you mentioned it because I did hear that from a semi-reliable source. At the time I emailed Robert, I had no villains on my list and was missing Batman and Aquaman. Read my posts when I first mentioned having a list of names and you will see that I said that.

And before I came out with any names, I found out Reynolds was not in the film (which Robert also confirmed) and that Welling was out also. You messaged me knowing he is the only person that I would be happy in the role of Superman saying between you and me, I'd be happy. Did I run out and claim Welling was back in again?? Nope. Because along with others, we've had doubts about you which have been proven to be correct.



Truthfully dont know what to make about Welling anymore. I am ready to get off this ride though, my brain hurts :(

[DvilDog]

If its not welling its going to be someone completely off the wall. Well off the Wall for me cause i dont expect anyone else. cause I have heard of anyone except for maybe Duhamel

[avidreader]

You know thats the suit from the movie that shall not be named :ninja:

Yes, I do know. However, there's only a little glimpse of the suit shown, to illustrate that its a picture of Superman. Its the Superman look on Tom's face and the lighting in the picture that makes it such a great piece.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

You know I sort of want to do a comic strip Red VS Blue style on this whole Justice League thing

Blue Team would be Welling fans
Red Team would be The non Smallville & Tom Welling fans

:woot:

[Syncos]

You know I sort of want to do a comic strip Red VS Blue style on this whole Justice League thing

Blue Team would be Welling fans
Red Team would be The non Smallville & Tom Welling fans

:woot:

That would be horrible.

Atleast Red VS Blue was funny.... for awhile.

[Showtime]

Who is Jayne responding too there?

[The Incredible Hulk]

the person that tried to dupe her over at IESB

[Prison Mike]

I kind of feel bad for Jayne. All that work to make Emi looks bad? Some people sure have a lot of time on their hands. So all that talk about an annoucement coming tomorrow was BS? This really blows.

[musclesforsupes]

Okay,

NOW I just read in a chatroom that Welling WILL be announced! However, I know better and will believe it when I see it! :dry:

[Prison Mike]

not that I'm buying into the rumor, but what chatroom are you talking about? The iesb boards?

[musclesforsupes]

yahoo, but as soon as I read it I told the guy Bull*** cause I fell for that crap before :cmad:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Muscles in a Chat Room - Round 2

[KalKai]

I kind of feel bad for Jayne. All that work to make Emi looks bad? Some people sure have a lot of time on their hands. So all that talk about an annoucement coming tomorrow was BS? This really blows.

That originated from here:

http://news.lalate.com/2007/10/26/teresa-palmer-lalate-exclusive-on-justice-league-movie/

And in a separate story, lalate exclusively can report that sources are suggesting that the cast of the Justice League movie will be announced Monday in one of two Hollywood trade publications. Sources suggest the cast has been decided, but the cast does not know themselves, and that everyone will find out the cast when that publication hits newsstands this coming Monday.

[musclesforsupes]

Muscles in a Chat Room - Round 2
i told him to shut up

[Tomwelling4sups]

I used the following handles in order to reveal emijaynes fraud. The names I used are:

LadyMarmalad, Future, Callelina. On COminsoon I used Shehulksuperfan and PublicistLA.

I created the Rhys Meyers rumor to flush her out. I am sorry I had to lie to the board in order to expose her. But yes I am also a fraud.

I have no idea who is in the movie, but what I did do was create some fun in the board since Robert and Emi have been making it stale acting like they had inside info.

Also, the misrepresentations about Welling had to stop too.

Motownmarvel anyone? :whatever:

[Syncos]

I have no idea who is in the movie, but what I did do was create some fun in the board since Robert and Emi have been making it stale acting like they had inside info.


I was messing with people because it was fun...
wow.... I hate the internet.

[Tomwelling4sups]

People are so dumb sometimes, *******s :mad:

[Showtime]

Okay,

NOW I just read in a chatroom that Welling WILL be announced! However, I know better and will believe it when I see it! :dry:

Didn't you say the same thing years ago and cause an internet wide free for all?

[Showtime]

the person that tried to dupe her over at IESB

Did they "dupe" her? Was she exposed or something?

I don't get it. I think I am getting too old to follow these threads.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Did they "dupe" her? Was she exposed or something?

I don't get it. I think I am getting too old to follow these threads.

they attempted it, but pretty much failed at everything other than getting her to post the lsit that she had that she knew some of it wasnt correct.

[ZIPBAGS]

I am so confused about what or who to believe.

[Showtime]

they attempted it, but pretty much failed at everything other than getting her to post the lsit that she had that she knew some of it wasnt correct.

So what are your thoughts on her?

[The Incredible Hulk]

So what are your thoughts on her?


Not sure. Both Sanchez and the CD posters previous to JLA all vouch for her authenticity. But she seems to tend to fill in the blanks of what she's been told with things she hears elsewhere on the Net

[Showtime]

Not sure. Both Sanchez and the CD posters previous to JLA all vouch for her authenticity. But she seems to tend to fill in the blanks of what she's been told with things she hears elsewhere on the Net

I've noticed alot of plotholes in her daily scripts as well. Not sure.

[phil]

let me tell you what will happen this week. By tuesday you will find out Tome Welling is Superman, thursday will be another great eps of Smallville. and by 7.30 pm on Sun you realize the Pats are well 9-0 wooohooo

I like this post, the two Tom's are ready to kick some ass.

[Prognosticator]

MB? :(

our beloved magic bullet thread was deleted for no reason. :csad: