Tom Welling as Superman

[Serene]

VERY nice, Pat.

We need more pics in this thread. I hate when it goes dormant. Maybe I'll go through previous season screencaps and find some nice pics to post.

[triplet]

I snagged this from somewhere... Tom is looking very supermanly thre as he is about to crush Lex's throat...

:D

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/5425/smallvillehdtvlolvtvjpgpo1qc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15831&page=2&pp=25)

[avidreader]

VERY nice, Pat.

We need more pics in this thread. I hate when it goes dormant. Maybe I'll go through previous season screencaps and find some nice pics to post.

Sounds like a great way to pass the time.:D

[Scooter]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/crusade20.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/superman.gif

That's the manliest I've ever seen his chin look.

[MJZ]

That's the manliest I've ever seen his chin look.

That's an "interesting" way of putting it on your part too, Scooter.

:D

I didn't say anything!

[MJZ]

Here's my artistic attempt:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/MJZ/TW_Supes.jpg

[avidreader]

Wow! That's awesome. :up:

[KikiDee]

That really is good MJZ!:up:

[MJZ]

Thanks. The first of many, I hope.

;)

[Serene]

Nice job, MJZ. Glad to see some of your stuff posted here. :up:

[MJZ]

Thanks Serene. :)

[SsM]

thats friggin sweet... if you could do a version of sv's lex in his crazy bio armor from the superman/batman and the old super powers things and jl/u that would be cool

[MJZ]

thats friggin sweet... if you could do a version of sv's lex in his crazy bio armor from the superman/batman and the old super powers things and jl/u that would be cool

Hmm, I'll have to give that a shot sometime.

[AgentPat]

^ That's really good, MJZ. Right on the nose perfect! ;)

[MJZ]

Thanks Pat. :)

[rumpuso]

Gorgeous work...best I've seen so far.

[MJZ]

Busted my butt on this one, must say I'm pretty happy with it:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/MJZ/TW_CK.jpg

[Scooter]

Cool.

[rumpuso]

It's incredible. Truly.

[MJZ]

Thanks man.

[Brainiac 8]

Wow, that is just awsome.:up:

[Serene]

You just keep getting better and better, MJZ. :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Thanks man.I miss your avatar with He-man and the funny hair cut and smile :( bring it back please.:mad:

[triplet]

:D

Great drawing... :up:

[MJZ]

Thanks. :D

[Whiteflag]

Those drawings are beautiful, MJZ!

[KalKai]

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/9448/51900320jg.jpg

:D

[SsM]

thats a pimpin pic of welling right there...

[Serene]

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/9448/51900320jg.jpg

:D

:eek: :supes: :eek: *thud*

[AgentPat]

Very NICE pics and drawings in this thread. MJZ, awesome dude!! :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

I could swear we have another thread for pictures like this

[KalKai]

Yes you got a problem? stop repeating thank you, lol.

[Kal-El 8]

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/9448/51900320jg.jpg

:D

Nice

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yes you got a problem? stop repeating thank you, lol.Well my point was I seem to remember a time (5 to 6 months ago) were they were going to merge the two because the threads are one in the same and I seem to remember people saying we don't post pics of him as Superman here we just talk about it. I dont know I just guess my eyes are playing tricks on me.

[AgentPat]

Maybe the thread got buried? If you can find it - and it isn't locked - bump it. Otherwise, this is the one that's getting used now. [shrugs]

[Ultimate_Superman]

Wasn't to hard see it was on the second page.

[avidreader]

Well my point was I seem to remember a time (5 to 6 months ago) were they were going to merge the two because the threads are one in the same and I seem to remember people saying we don't post pics of him as Superman here we just talk about it. I dont know I just guess my eyes are playing tricks on me.

That other thread is for Manips.

This thread is for Tom Welling as Superman. The drawings that MJZ posted (which are both excellent by the way) were of Clark Kent as he is in Smallville same with the pictures above.

There is a distinction.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

That picture is begging for a Super-Manip...

[Ultimate_Superman]

That other thread is for Manips.

This thread is for Tom Welling as Superman. The drawings that MJZ posted (which are both excellent by the way) were of Clark Kent as he is in Smallville same with the pictures above.

There is a distinction.Right so this is TW on SV (which is a great pic by the way) Here's my artistic attempt:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/MJZ/TW_Supes.jpgCorrect me if I am wrong but I dont seem to remember TW putting on the cape but then again maybe I am getting up there in age (25) that I am forgeting things.

[avidreader]

Sorry I missed the suit, I was just looking at the face. But it is more of a picture of Tom Welling as Superman, rather than a manip.

[Ultimate_Superman]

No need to explain I really dont care I just like giving you guys a hard time.

[avidreader]

No need to explain I really dont care I just like giving you guys a hard time.

Is that right? :rolleyes:

[Ultimate_Superman]

yea

[Serene]

No need to explain I really dont care I just like giving you guys a hard time.

Oh, it's been noticed.

[green]

I dont know if you guys and gals have seen this...
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8352108&postcount=2558

Its basically the display for all the dvd's issued.
Tom's got quite a presence among them.

[Pickle-El]

http://www.kal-el.org/uploaded_images/expositores_superman-735677.jpg

[green]

Thanks Pickle...

Im lazy today.

[RakuMon]

Bump.

[GothicPowerMix1]

http://www.kal-el.org/uploaded_images/expositores_superman-735677.jpg

Cool Display Case :up:

[AgentPat]

This one's for Hulk, Serene, and Kal-El 8, my Chloe-lovin' buds:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ido.jpg


<- Loves handing out heart attacks. :p

[TKodami]

Great shot...


Too bad he wasn't wearing his red jacket with the blue shirt. :(


I was reading through this thread again, and came on this quote from about 5 months ago. Its too funny when you take it out of its context. :D

[Kal-El 8]

This one's for Hulk, Serene, and Kal-El 8, my Chloe-lovin' buds:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ido.jpg



Of Course You know THIS MEAN'S WAR !!! :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :bomb:

[AgentPat]

I was reading through this thread again, and came on this quote from about 5 months ago. Its too funny when you take it out of its context. :DSee, I LOVE that ensemble. I know other people are getting tired of it, but that's his colors. Nobody gets tired of the blue and red when it's lycra, so why should folks get tired of the red jacket and blue shirt? :confused: I love it when he wears that.

Of Course You know THIS MEAN'S WAR !!! :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :bomb:HAHAHAHAHA!!! You're on!

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/bomb.jpg

[The Incredible Hulk]

ugh, some people really need to get a life.....

[AgentPat]

ugh, some people really need to get a life.....
http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/tongue.gif

[Serene]

Like I said, Pat.. If given a choice, I'd prefer THIS (http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8769/idocopy0cm.jpg).


:D ;)

[AgentPat]

LOL!!! What a nut. :D

[NHawk19]

This is the Hype right, for a second I thought I was over at K site.

[AgentPat]

This is the Hype right, for a second I thought I was over at K site.Heh. Oh, don't mind me, Hawk. I was just having fun being evil. LOL ;)

[Serene]

Heh. Oh, don't mind me, Hawk. I was just having fun being evil. LOL ;)

Evil can be fun!
(or so I've heard). ;)

[TKodami]

See, I LOVE that ensemble. I know other people are getting tired of it, but that's his colors. Nobody gets tired of the blue and red when it's lycra, so why should folks get tired of the red jacket and blue shirt? :confused: I love it when he wears that.



Embarrassing for me to admit...but I hadn't realized that he'd only worn his red jacket / blue shirt ensemble until someone on SHH brought it up. I'm rather fashioned challenged. So, I can honestly say that I didn't mind either. :O


I will admit though that its fun to watch Dean Cain change ties like six times an episode in L&C.

[Serene]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6724/supermanfilm7my.jpg

[Whiteflag]

Just beautiful!

[bulok]

This one's for Hulk, Serene, and Kal-El 8, my Chloe-lovin' buds:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ido.jpg


<- Loves handing out heart attacks. :p




<3 <3 <3


I am an avid Chloe fan, ever since season 1. My wife I think gets jealous and always picks on her but she likes Chloe better than Lana as well.

I think instead of adding the Lois character, they really should have developed a Clark/Chloe relationship more, considering the mythos and probably her demise, it would have been a much better bittersweet storyline.

Clark - Chloe 4 Evah!

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6724/supermanfilm7my.jpg


WOw, NICE job Rene :up:

[AgentPat]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6724/supermanfilm7my.jpgHow'd I miss this post? :confused:

Day-um... that's niiiiiiice, 'Rene! :up:

[KikiDee]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6724/supermanfilm7my.jpg
Did you do that? That is really awesome. You are becoming quite the talent with that there photoshop stuff. Loved the self portrait in the other by the way.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Serene]

Thanks guys, it means a lot. :)

I just love tinkering with photoshop, but for some reason my favorite subject is always the same guy... Hmmm.. ;)

[TKodami]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6724/supermanfilm7my.jpg


I agree, powerfully awesome. Great work with the lighting on his face. :up:


My current photoshop obsession is with Al Rio's animated Supes (even though I'm trying so hard to do some original work in my spare time), so I completely understand the impulse. :D

[user123456789]

Is that Reeve's body?

[KalElofKrypton]

I've been debating the subject of Tom Welling as Superman for awhile, and after seeing some manips and a few caps from Smallville I've finally come to the conclusion that Tom Welling would make a great Superman!

[AgentPat]

I've been debating the subject of Tom Welling as Superman for awhile, and after seeing some manips and a few caps from Smallville I've finally come to the conclusion that Tom Welling would make a great Superman!http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup.gif


http://www.patcostello.com/temp/manip-unknown2.jpg

[KalElofKrypton]

It wasn't just Tom in the suit, which I couldn't see until visiting this thread. But it was also, if he were to play Superman in the movies, would he be able to pull of the bumbling Clark?

[bulok]

It wasn't just Tom in the suit, which I couldn't see until visiting this thread. But it was also, if he were to play Superman in the movies, would he be able to pull of the bumbling Clark?

If you'd asked me that 2 to 3 seasons ago I would have said no but I think Tom is getting to a stage where he might be able to pull it off.

I'd like to see a less serious ep of Smallville and play on Clark beng silly/bumbling.

[KalElofKrypton]

His acting has improved throughout is stay in Smallville. I think when the series finale approaches these things will come into play. His bumbling, the disguise and whatnot. Or at least I hope it does...

[Kane]

He wouldnt need to be the bumbling Clark disguise with glasses....in the SV universe, G+M have said that Superman is the disguise, Clark Kent will go on to be the same.

Meaning theyll handle him as Superman different from the norm.....somehow.

[KalElofKrypton]

He wouldnt need to be the bumbling Clark disguise with glasses....in the SV universe, G+M have said that Superman is the disguise, Clark Kent will go on to be the same.

Meaning theyll handle him as Superman different from the norm.....somehow.

Maybe I'm a little slow, but I don't follow.

[Kane]

Traditionally there are three roles:

- Smallville Clark (CK in his usual personality)

- Metropolis Clark (the disguise, bumbling with the glasses)

- Superman (Kal-El of Krypton; America's hero)

In the SV universe, there will be no Metropolis Clark disguise....G+M have stated instead that Superman itself will be the disguise somehow, and regular Clark (Smallville Clark) will continue..

How theyll even pull that off is beyond me... but its pretty messed up.

[Kane]

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[AgentPat]

...if he were to play Superman in the movies, would he be able to pull of the bumbling Clark?Clark in SV hasn't needed to put on that kind of facade yet, so it hasn't been an important detail to show that side of him to the audience. But could Welling do it? Absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind....

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/commencement11a.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/commencement11b.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/commencement11c.jpg

Also, after having seen the bloopers on the DVD's, I get the impression he can be quite the goofball when he wants to be.

[KalElofKrypton]

Traditionally there are three roles:

- Smallville Clark (CK in his usual personality)

- Metropolis Clark (the disguise, bumbling with the glasses)

- Superman (Kal-El of Krypton; America's hero)

In the SV universe, there will be no Metropolis Clark disguise....G+M have stated instead that Superman itself will be the disguise somehow, and regular Clark (Smallville Clark) will continue..

How theyll even pull that off is beyond me... but its pretty messed up.

Yeah, I'm not too fond of that idea. How it will work, I have no idea. Because it seems that Clark (Smallville) has some pretty Superman-like qualities already. So the only difference will be the glasses. Which would be Lois and Clark or George Reeves all over again.

[KalElofKrypton]

Clark in SV hasn't needed to put on that kind of facade yet, so it hasn't been an important detail to show that side of him to the audience. But could Welling do it? Absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind....

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/commencement11a.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/commencement11b.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/commencement11c.jpg

Also, after having seen the bloopers on the DVD's, I get the impression he can be quite the goofball when he wants to be.

Oh, if I'm ever in a bad mood...Those bloopers will bring me right up. Some of them are hilarious. :p

[TKodami]

Clark in SV hasn't needed to put on that kind of facade yet, so it hasn't been an important detail to show that side of him to the audience. But could Welling do it? Absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind....

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/commencement11a.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/commencement11b.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/commencement11c.jpg

Also, after having seen the bloopers on the DVD's, I get the impression he can be quite the goofball when he wants to be.

AgentPat, your screencaps have me dying for some romantic Clois in Season Six. TW smiling makes me feel all melty inside. :O

[AgentPat]

KalElofKrypton, just to clarify, G&M's comments about how Clark acts were in reference to how he's presented in SV, a show where a costumed Superman does not exist. Yet. Clark Kent is the real deal - he's the real person - in SMALLVILLE. They were distinguishing the character from how he acts later, which at the time was beyond the scope of their show.

Things change.

[KalElofKrypton]

KalElofKrypton, just to clarify, G&M's comments about how Clark acts were in reference to how he's presented in SV, a show where a costumed Superman does not exist. Yet. Clark Kent is the real deal - he's the real person - in SMALLVILLE. They were distinguishing the character from how he acts later, which at the time was beyond the scope of their show.

Things change.

Thanks for clearing that up, buddy. Like I said, I can be slow when it comes to this stuff. And for future reference, although you probably will forget, call me Sean.

[AgentPat]

AgentPat, your screencaps have me dying for some romantic Clois in Season Six. TW smiling makes me feel all melty inside. :OI'm with ya! Lets just get though this summer and see how things pan out. There's a few different directions they can go, but it's all up in the air for the duration (no pun intended.) I'm hoping the writers will be given the go ahead to finally write what everybody has been begging for...

Thanks for clearing that up, buddy. Like I said, I can be slow when it comes to this stuff. And for future reference, although you probably will forget, call me Sean.No prob. I'll try to remember. I'm lucky I can remember the names of the people I work with LOL.

[TKodami]

I'm with ya! Lets just get though this summer and see how things pan out. There's a few different directions they can go, but it's all up in the air for the duration (no pun intended.) I'm hoping the writers will be given the go ahead to finally write what everybody has been begging for...


I've definitely got my fingers crossed for it! The writers did a bang-up job this season, though, of course, there's always room for improvement. Even if romantic Clois doesn't pan out, I think that I'd be content for more great Clois moments. ...Quick, Steve DeKnight! You need to write a least one more Lois-does-Clark's tie scene for Season Six. :D

And I think it's finally sinking in how long the wait until S5 is released on DVD is going to be. And then the wait til Season Six *actually* starts... I think that you'll see me jump on the TW / Clois fanart bandwagon sometime around July.

[AgentPat]

I've definitely got my fingers crossed for it! The writers did a bang-up job this season, though, of course, there's always room for improvement. Even if romantic Clois doesn't pan out, I think that I'd be content for more great Clois moments. ...Quick, Steve DeKnight! You need to write a least one more Lois-does-Clark's tie scene for Season Six. :D

And I think it's finally sinking in how long the wait until S5 is released on DVD is going to be. And then the wait til Season Six *actually* starts... I think that you'll see me jump on the TW / Clois fanart bandwagon sometime around July.I love how much they needle each other. It's fun and it's playful. It adds humor to an otherwise VERY dramatic show. And the writers could run with that w/o making it stupid ala L&C. Clark is only just starting to realize Lois has his number ("There are times when I think you don't know me at all, and then other times when you know me better than anybody.") That's good. They're going in the right direction there. Clark's attraction for Lois should grow, even though she will continue to noodle him for being the goofball (key label) farmboy that he is.

G&M have taken a LOT of heat for bringing Lois onto the show so early, but I think it makes a HELL of a lot more sense for Clark to slowly develop an attraction and appreciation for who Lois Lane actually is, instead of falling for her the first time he sees her at the Daily Planet ala S:TM. That was just .... SILLY!

There's a LOT more to these two (three? LOL) than just a visual attraction...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exposed3.jpg

[KalElofKrypton]

KalElofKrypton, just to clarify, G&M's comments about how Clark acts were in reference to how he's presented in SV, a show where a costumed Superman does not exist. Yet. Clark Kent is the real deal - he's the real person - in SMALLVILLE. They were distinguishing the character from how he acts later, which at the time was beyond the scope of their show.

Things change.

Although just to clear this up, I was talking about Tom Welling as Superman/bumbling Clark as if he were cast in a movie. If I say anymore, I may confuse myself.

[AgentPat]

Although just to clear this up, I was talking about Tom Welling as Superman/bumbling Clark as if he were cast in a movie. If I say anymore, I may confuse myself.Yup. Understood. I'm thinking we'll eventually see both. It's just a matter of time, money, and demand. ;)

[Kane]

Thanks for clearing that up, buddy. Like I said, I can be slow when it comes to this stuff.

All I can tell you for sure is that in the interview they clearly said it was their plan to eventually make 'Superman' the disguise in the future and keep Clark the same; the real deal.

Whether their plans have changed....who knows, but that was confirmed by them as the original idea.

At this point, we cant even be sure if it will be addressed on screen in the final episode or even gone into in decent depth...though peronsally, I wouldnt bet on it.

[MJZ]

I love how much they needle each other. It's fun and it's playful. It adds humor to an otherwise VERY dramatic show. And the writers could run with that w/o making it stupid ala L&C. Clark is only just starting to realize Lois has his number ("There are times when I think you don't know me at all, and then other times when you know me better than anybody.") That's good. They're going in the right direction there. Clark's attraction for Lois should grow, even though she will continue to noodle him for being the goofball (key label) farmboy that he is.

G&M have taken a LOT of heat for bringing Lois onto the show so early, but I think it makes a HELL of a lot more sense for Clark to slowly develop an attraction and appreciation for who Lois Lane actually is, instead of falling for her the first time he sees her at the Daily Planet ala S:TM. That was just .... SILLY!

There's a LOT more to these two (three? LOL) than just a visual attraction...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exposed3.jpg

There was that episode in season 4 where she dunked him in the water tank and was messing around with his hair, with Chloe giving a suspicious look.

I liked that and thought it was a bit ballsy.

[Scooter]

That would be some hot sex.

[AgentPat]

There was that episode in season 4 where she dunked him in the water tank and was messing around with his hair, with Chloe giving a suspicious look.

I liked that and thought it was a bit ballsy.I loved that scene. I don't have many caps from it though...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/facade6.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/facade8.jpg

^ I need to cap the scene where Lois runs up and ruffles his hair, much to Chloe's chagrin. :D


I also liked that bit at the beginning with Gen. Lane, where Clark and Lois find out Lois will have to stay in SV and go to SV High because she had flunked out of one of her college classes, or something along those lines...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/facade7.jpg

Damn, that was a funny scene. They were both gutted. LOL!

[Michael Corleone]

Yup. Understood. I'm thinking we'll eventually see both. It's just a matter of time, money, and demand. ;)


Do you think there is a desire there though? On Wellings part I mean. Does he want to continue down that road? I don't know I always get the feeling from his interviews that he doesnt want that. Not because he doesnt want to play the part but just the evolution of the show doesnt seem to follow that formula.

I know things change but they still seem to stay true (not very well I know) to the "no tights, no flights" crap. They BEND the hell out of that rule but would they all be willing to go that far?

[MJZ]

I loved that scene. I don't have many caps from it though...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/facade6.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/facade8.jpg

^ I need to cap the scene where Lois runs up and ruffles his hair, much to Chloe's chagrin. :D


I also liked that bit at the beginning with Gen. Lane, where Clark and Lois find out Lois will have to stay in SV and go to SV High because she had flunked out of one of her college classes, or something along those lines...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/facade7.jpg

Damn, that was a funny scene. They were both gutted. LOL!

I think they go great togther. Durance is my favorite Lois.

[MJZ]

Do you think there is a desire there though? On Wellings part I mean. Does he want to continue down that road? I don't know I always get the feeling from his interviews that he doesnt want that. Not because he doesnt want to play the part but just the evolution of the show doesnt seem to follow that formula.

I know things change but they still seem to stay true (not very well I know) to the "no tights, no flights" crap. They BEND the hell out of that rule but would they all be willing to go that far?

If they want 7 seasons they're going to have to really start pushing things.

I don't necessarily see them doing a live-action Superman in costume follow-up series *at this point,* but we'll see I guess.

Call it fanboy wishing but I think Welling and them would stay on longer if a good opportunity existed.

Not that he can't get other work and hasn't, but this is pretty much his bread and butter...

[Michael Corleone]

If they want 7 seasons they're going to have to really start pushing things.

I don't necessarily see them doing a live-action Superman in costume follow-up series *at this point,* but we'll see I guess.

Call it fanboy wishing but I think Welling and them would stay on longer if a good opportunity existed.

Not that he can't get other work and hasn't, but this is pretty much his bread and butter...


I'd have to agree with you there. I think if they gave him more of a chance to grow he would. I think one of the pitfalls they he has had to deal with is they really dont let him do as much. Granted they have allowed him to do more but they seem to want him to keep that stoic characterization. Not allowing him to move as much and let the actors around him do more comes to mind. I think they should let him become more animated in his performance. Really see what he can do and not just as a redK story or just some middle of the season story. Really let him open up throughout the season and let him craft the character. I mean yes it is Clark Kent and he has limitations on things but that doesnt mean he cant become more of a dynamic character. IF they do that perhaps it could lead to something bigger on the show or maybe him in the suit for at least some of the final season. Hell I dont see why they can't let it go for quite some time more. He is after all only what....19..20 on the show? He still has a lot of stuff to do.

[Michael Corleone]

I'd have to agree with you there. I think if they gave him more of a chance to grow he would. I think one of the pitfalls they he has had to deal with is they really dont let him do as much. Granted they have allowed him to do more but they seem to want him to keep that stoic characterization. Not allowing him to move as much and let the actors around him do more comes to mind. I think they should let him become more animated in his performance. Really see what he can do and not just as a redK story or just some middle of the season story. Really let him open up throughout the season and let him craft the character. I mean yes it is Clark Kent and he has limitations on things but that doesnt mean he cant become more of a dynamic character. IF they do that perhaps it could lead to something bigger on the show or maybe him in the suit for at least some of the final season. Hell I dont see why they can't let it go for quite some time more. He is after all only what....19..20 on the show? He still has a lot of stuff to do.


Wow I need to stop using "I think" so much. lol sorry

[The Kid]

I agree with your think.

There's a lot more growing up that Clark needs to do before he can of course fullfill his destiny as the superman he becomes later.

He needs to learn how to fly for starters... I don't care much about the "no flight" rule. They broke it even though he wasn't really clark. So I think it's fair that they at least have him learn to levitate a few inches. I love the freedom superman has to go anywhere and although he has that sort of freedom already with his super speed, the scope of it can increase tremendously with flight aswell.

One of the big issues I want them to explore is his trust of his father and his knowledge of his roots, which I'm thinking is what they're doing by giving Lionel all those note-taking siezures with warnings and stuff.

Really, what else could it be? It has to be secrets of his power. Clark still needs to learn what his purpose is and even though Chloe's been practically holding a sign up that says "superhero" it seems like he'll need to learn it from his father like Reeve did too. "You're here for a reason..." "For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I sent them you, my only son."

That might have been the direction they were goingin in with his character, Swan, before he died...

What say you...

[eXperiment]

This one's for Hulk, Serene, and Kal-El 8, my Chloe-lovin' buds:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ido.jpg


<- Loves handing out heart attacks. :p

thats awesome

[avidreader]

Thanks guys, it means a lot. :)

I just love tinkering with photoshop, but for some reason my favorite subject is always the same guy... Hmmm.. ;)

I didnt realise you did that. That's awesome! :up:

[AgentPat]

Do you think there is a desire there though? On Wellings part I mean. Does he want to continue down that road? I don't know I always get the feeling from his interviews that he doesn't want that. Not because he doesn't want to play the part but just the evolution of the show doesn't seem to follow that formula.Well, first thing to keep in mind is that Welling dances through super raindrops any time he's asked to publicly comment on Superman-related endeavors beyond the scope of SV proper. It's an odd "strategy," particular since he's keenly aware of what's been going on *outside* the box.

Of the comments that he HAS made, the ones that stick out to me are the ones where he talks about SV and his enjoyment playing Clark. He likes the character quite a bit. He's in a unique position to develop Clark from the ground up, and that excites him. It would any actor. That's what's important to him. I don't think he really cares what funky wardrobe they might make him wear going into the future. As long as he's still building a character that doesn't have all the answers yet, he'll be happy. All the spin you hear about Welling not wanting to play Superman is simply ridiculous. He's genuinely concerned about doing the show and the mythos justice. He knows what the fans want, but he doesn't want to make it too easy for the character either. There's a delicate balance between the cast, the writers, the studio, and the fans. When it comes to life after SV, Welling's perfectly content to let the rumormille do its own thing and step out of the way of progressively mounting snowballs.

I know things change but they still seem to stay true (not very well I know) to the "no tights, no flights" crap. They BEND the hell out of that rule but would they all be willing to go that far?"They?" The cast? The producers? The studio? Who "they?" 'Cause I think you'll get different answers from various people, depending on the question. LOL

Personally, I don't see the cast being interested in continuing after seven years with another show, ala "Metropolis." I just don't see it happening. Would the studio be interested? Pfft. Only if there was money to be made, and lots of it. Based on the success of SV, I'd say that was a good bet, but sans the established cast, the forecast on such an endeavor is questionable, not to mention redundant - it's been done before (L&C). A one-off film for TV, DTV, or Feature seems more plausible, especially since the main cast are interested in pursuing film careers.

I think they go great together. Durance is my favorite Lois.I think both bring a new "feel" to the table for their respective characters. There's a palpable spark between the two that's not present between Clark and the other characters. A lot of that is writing of course, but the way they (metaphorically) beat each other up is delightful. Durance's Lois is caustic in a "I-don't-think-before-I-speak" kinda way, which is perfect because Welling's Clark can be naive in a "I-don't-think-before-I-act" kind of way. Both traits are perfect since the characterization applies regardless of age.

Call it fanboy wishing but I think Welling and them would stay on longer if a good opportunity existed.Agreed. And if anything, I bet Welling would be the easiest sell. (Discussions at the contract table not withstanding of course LOL.)

that's awesomeThanks! I wish I could take credit for it, but all I did was scan it.

[bulok]

When I think of "Smallville" I think of Clark, not the town itself. That is afterall one of Lois' nicknames for him.

Clark/Superman is afterall a product of small town America more than he is of Krypton. Strong, dependable, and honorable. I think "Smallville" will always be about Clark kent, not Lex or Chloe or even Lana. Smallville IS Clark Kent. I think the show would go from the town of Smallville to Metropolis and beyond if need be so long as the fans are watching.

[MJZ]

I'd have to agree with you there. I think if they gave him more of a chance to grow he would. I think one of the pitfalls they he has had to deal with is they really dont let him do as much. Granted they have allowed him to do more but they seem to want him to keep that stoic characterization. Not allowing him to move as much and let the actors around him do more comes to mind. I think they should let him become more animated in his performance. Really see what he can do and not just as a redK story or just some middle of the season story. Really let him open up throughout the season and let him craft the character. I mean yes it is Clark Kent and he has limitations on things but that doesnt mean he cant become more of a dynamic character. IF they do that perhaps it could lead to something bigger on the show or maybe him in the suit for at least some of the final season. Hell I dont see why they can't let it go for quite some time more. He is after all only what....19..20 on the show? He still has a lot of stuff to do.

Yeah his character has remained pretty stagnant. He's also very re-active, rather than proactive.

But, given his comments in Vessel I think he's finally realized that Jor-El ain't so bad. If they keep pushing in that direction we should be set. :up:

[KalElofKrypton]

Traditionally there are three roles:

- Smallville Clark (CK in his usual personality)

- Metropolis Clark (the disguise, bumbling with the glasses)

- Superman (Kal-El of Krypton; America's hero)

In the SV universe, there will be no Metropolis Clark disguise....G+M have stated instead that Superman itself will be the disguise somehow, and regular Clark (Smallville Clark) will continue..

How theyll even pull that off is beyond me... but its pretty messed up.

Yes, that is very messed up. Superman is, in a way, who he is. Clark Kent is the disguise to hide his identity of Superman. I think if Smallville goes far enough for this idea to come into play, if this idea is used it will need some very creative writing.

[Kal-El 8]

SUPERMAN is the real deal & Clark Kent is the disguise . Just like BATMAN is the real deal & Bruce Wayne is the disguise. The way smallville has it. Is messed up.

[Scooter]

I've always though there were two Clark Kents. One for the Daily Planet (disguise), and one for alone time - the farm, generally - and that one is more or less the "real" person. Superman is an extension of that, but also a public figure.

[TKodami]

I've always though there were two Clark Kents. One for the Daily Planet (disguise), and one for alone time - the farm, generally - and that one is more or less the "real" person. Superman is an extension of that, but also a public figure.

I'm with ya, Scooter. It's impossible for me to think of a public persona of any kind as the "one real person." We all act, speak, and think in different registers depending on the social context. We all also have parts of us that we keep secret (Fortress of Solitude, anyone?--well, not counting Supes' handy dandy Silver Age Robo-minions). I'm of the opinion that you have to take the totality of the person and their behaviors or "disguises" in order to see the real person.

"Farm Clark" is who I generally see the most authentic persona, but not the only one. And certainly not always the most salient one. When AlMiles talk about SV Clark being the real person--it's that his SV persona, his "Clark on the farm" is his authentic self. When they project it into the future, I see a L&C-like future. A "Clark Kent is who I am; Superman is what I can do" deal, where the cape & tights are so much of a symbol that people can't see Clark--still his decent, good, not-to-bumbling self from SV--is Superman because they just can't comprehend Superman as anything less than a Golden, eagle-toting God.

(I wish I had that Scan from the 2nd TPB Batman/Superman collection.)

[Pickle-El]

Any new manips?

[RakuMon]

Ahh... the trickle-down effect...gotta love it.

I was just going to make you guys and gals aware of this darn thing, but you are all great bloodhounds (in the nicest way), everybody is so quick on the button, instant news arrives before the instant!!


Anyway, in regards to the subject at hand...

Nothing wrong with speculating Whatsoever...
(hey, if Fox can do it with the X...)

I remember a story my local delivery guy was telling me once, about some customer who ordered a veggie because they claimed that they didn't make the supreme with the kind of topping he wanted... until they informed him that, oh yes, that topping was definitely available, and in fact if and when the cirumstances demanded it, they'd fully incorporate it into the menu...


For those wondering more about my pizza delivery guy...
(and those with a question mark over their heads right now)

My delivery guy isn't required to wear a uniform...but despite the stigma associated with his restaurant, he's not --and never has been-- adverse to putting one on ...should they ask him nicely enough...


:cool:

Remember the speculation that SV could go DTV? If not, scroll back 10 or so pages. It was an AdAge article that talked about possibly doing live action Superman movies on video. Anyway, a recent LA Times article is cause for more speculation. To wit:

Warner to Proceed Straight to Video
The studio is launching a direct-to-DVD business with plans to release 10 to 15 movies a year.
By Claudia Eller, Times Staff Writer
May 30, 2006

Looking for new, less risky ways to boost profit, Warner Bros. is launching a direct-to-DVD business that will release 10 to 15 low-budget movies a year.

First up will be a sequel to the studio's 2005 hit "The Dukes of Hazzard," scheduled to go on sale at the end of this year or in early 2007.

Movies made exclusively for DVD typically are done on the cheap without the costly stars and lavish production expenses associated with theatrical films.

Adhering to that model, Warner aims to keep each direct-to-DVD movie's production budget to $5 million or less, although some films may cost slightly more. The "Dukes" sequel, for example, won't reunite cast members Jessica Simpson, Johnny Knoxville and Seann William Scott.

The new venture, a partnership between Warner Bros. Pictures and Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group, aims to cash in on what has been a lucrative, relatively inexpensive business for such rivals as Walt Disney Studios and Universal Pictures.

"We recognize that the made-for-video business is a place we need to put emphasis and devote considerable resources," Warner President Alan Horn said. "Discipline is the key to the ultimate success of the new venture for us."

Still, the direct-to-DVD business is no sure bet. It faces increased competition from boxed sets of popular television shows such as "Lost," "24" and "Desperate Housewives," one of the hottest areas in home video.

"The made-for-home entertainment business can be very profitable if you select the right projects, control your development and production costs and time your releases to minimize your marketing expenditures and maximize your exposure," said Louis Feola, Universal Pictures' former home video president who oversaw such popular direct-to-video franchises as "The Land Before Time."

Jeff Robinov, Warner's production president, and Kevin Tsujihara, president of the studio's home entertainment group, will oversee the new division, which is expected to be operating within three months. The two are looking to hire an executive to run the day-to-day operations of the unit, which is expected to have 10 staff members, including its own creative, business and marketing personnel.

Robinov said the division would produce live-action DVD prequels and sequels to existing Warner Bros. movies such as "Dukes," which grossed $80.3 million domestically but was not the kind of hit that would justify spending the large sums required to make and market a theatrical release.

Still, Robinov said, "That doesn't mean they don't have audience interest and built-in awareness."

Robinov added that although profit margins in the direct-to-video business could be thinner than in theatrical releases, such built-in awareness along with creative marketing could mitigate the financial risks.

Tsujihara said a "Dukes" sequel allowed Warner to repackage on DVD the original film and episodes of the popular 1980s TV series it was based on.

Warner's new division also will produce and acquire original made-for-DVD movies running the gamut of genres including horror, comedy and action films. Last month, Warner, a unit of media giant Time Warner Inc., announced it would finance three, under-$5-million DVD-only horror films to be directed by Daniel Myrick ("The Blair Witch Project"), producer Tony Krantz ("24") and TV writer John Shiban ("The X-Files").

Until now, Warner has released direct-to-video titles on a scattershot basis, mostly animated family fare from the studio's "Scooby-Doo," "Tom & Jerry" and "Loony Toons" franchises. The studio plans to continue releasing family-oriented DVDs, including films culled from its DC Comics library of characters, among them Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman.

"We've had an existing slate of four to five of these evergreen titles a year, and they are fairly profitable," Tsujihara said. "We'd like to put together slates that have a mixture of genres."

http://www.latimes.com/technology/la-fi-warner30may30,1,939409.story?coll=la-headlines-technology&ctrack=1&cset=true

Just some... er... food for thought. :D

[Kane]

Until now, Warner has released direct-to-video titles on a scattershot basis, mostly animated family fare from the studio's "Scooby-Doo," "Tom & Jerry" and "Loony Toons" franchises. The studio plans to continue releasing family-oriented DVDs, including films culled from its DC Comics library of characters, among them Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman.

Just some... er... food for thought. :D

Ya they are refering to family animated releases for the DC comics properties specifically in that paragraph.

Examples so far are this summer's "Superman:Brainiac Attacks" and theyve already revealed that they want to do an animated Superman Returns tie-in DVD (like Animatrix for the Matrix Trilogy).

Nothing to really do with Smallville.... but probably good news for Superman/DC fans anyway.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Ya they are refering to family animated releases for the DC comics properties specifically in that paragraph.

Examples so far are this summer's "Superman:Brainiac Attacks" and theyve already revealed that they want to do an animated Superman Returns tie-in DVD (like Animatrix for the Matrix Trilogy).

Nothing to really do with Smallville.... but probably good news for Superman/DC fans anyway.Yep though the reviews for the new S:TAS movie are not that good. I am still going to get it. and the SR tie in is going to be more like Star Wars: The Clone Wars only with out it being short clips and more or less a long movie to bridge the gaps between this new movie and the next one.

[Thunder Emperor]

SUPERMAN is the real deal & Clark Kent is the disguise . Just like BATMAN is the real deal & Bruce Wayne is the disguise. The way smallville has it. Is messed up.
i think you don't read the comic books do you, clark kent smallville (aka the comics/ kal-el is the real deal, clark kent metropolis is the disguise, or to put is simply. Superman is what i do and clark kent is who i am. You know who named him superman, it wasn't him. Go read a comic book before you start stating crap.

[Ultimate_Superman]

i think you don't read the comic books do you, clark kent smallville (aka the comics/ kal-el is the real deal, clark kent metropolis is the disguise, or to put is simply. Superman is what i do and clark kent is who i am. You know who named him superman, it wasn't him. Go read a comic book before you start stating crap.No he is right and your right it really all depends on who writes and how you look at things. Superman is the real person most of the time. It started out with Superman being the real person then thanks to Man of Steel Clark became the real person. Now they switch it back and forward depending on who is writing. As far as Batman he is right about that one.

[Thunder Emperor]

No he is right and your right it really all depends on who writes and how you look at things. Superman is the real person most of the time. It started out with Superman being the real person then thanks to Man of Steel Clark became the real person. Now they switch it back and forward depending on who is writing. As far as Batman he is right about that one.
as for batman he is right, but as for superman I still say, if not for the kents, there will be no superman period. he powers mean nothing without the upbringing.

[Kaboom]

so what youre saying is Superman is like a pu...an uncarved block.

[Ultimate_Superman]

as for batman he is right, but as for superman I still say, if not for the kents, there will be no superman period. he powers mean nothing without the upbringing.Fair enough and I agree to a some degree. Though I still feel like Superman is the real person because he is not being himself with out using his powers. Thats who he is Super.

[Thunder Emperor]

Fair enough and I agree to a some degree. Though I still feel like Superman is the real person because he is not being himself with out using his powers. Thats who he is Super.
but remember superman is abotu the power he weilds, but how he weilds it. because if he sued it for evil, he would not be name by lois or the people of metropolis as superman, but as something else. it is becasue he decided to help people. that is why he is superman becasue of the decision he made.

[millennium movies]

He will never play Superman.

[AgentPat]

He will never play Superman.Psst.... he already does. :rolleyes:

http://superman.ws/Costumes/colors/same.jpg









Wait for it....

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/tap.gif

[millennium movies]

Smallville is not Superman. Only a cheap Clark Kent soap opera. You SV fanboys can keep dreaming that he will one day play him. Hopefully one day you will get past the fact he WASN'T casted in the films. Hey if it makes you happy go ahead dream on! ;)

Cute cat btw!

[The Watchman]

Clark on the farm, more than anything else is closest to who he actually is, so Welling certainly IS playing Kal-El, and maybe the truest "personality" thereof...

...He isn't Metropolis Clark Kent (disguise) he isn't Superman (the pubilic hero persona)

[The Watchman]

Smallville is not Superman. Only a cheap Clark Kent soap opera. You SV fanboys can keep dreaming that he will one day play him. Hopefully one day you will get past the fact he WASN'T casted in the films. Hey if it makes you happy go ahead dream on! ;)

Dude, uncalled for...everything the character of Superman is meant to stand for and how the fans actually act make me sick.

[AgentPat]

Clark on the farm, more than anything else is closest to who he actually is, so Welling certainly IS playing Kal-El, and maybe the truest "personality" thereof...

...He isn't Metropolis Clark Kent (disguise) he isn't Superman (the public hero persona)This works for moi. Nice breakdown. :up:



Y'know, it never ceases to amaze me how SV fans can state till they're blue in the face how much they're beyond ecstatic that Welling wasn't cast in the film, but still be completely ignored. Make a statement like "he's Superman" however, and self professed fans of the character and the mythos are all over us like white on rice. LOL Eh, whatcha gonna do? :rolleyes:

Hey Millennium, just so you know, I'm not a fanboy, and there's no such word as "casted." Oh yeah, and I'm glad Welling wasn't cast in SR. If he eventually goes on to portray the character in a feature film or DTV, I'd want it to be *after* SV concludes its run on the small screen, and I'd want it to be based on SV's modern continuity and character history, not one that's nearly 30 years old. I don't *want* to see him change his style or approach. He's made the character real and relatable through his own personal interpretation, and THAT's the one that actually MEANS something to me right now.

It's rather funny how audiences are apparently being expected to accept the other guy as the new Superman simply because he shares the same name and a "vague" history with one that we DO care about. Uh, no. Doesn't work that way. Sowee. As far as I'm concerned, new dude is just playing a character in an oddly familiar, but disturbingly wrong costume.

There's more depth to this Kal-El and this Clark than I've ever seen in any live action portrayal before. Your mileage of course, may vary...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/vengeance3.jpg

[JackMercy]

Hopefully one day you will get past the fact he WASN'T casted

Are people still this uneducated...?

;)


...And I think you've already been rebuffed on your other generalizations...



(hey Pat, should we form a tag team...?)

[Kane]

Psst.... he already does. :rolleyes:

http://superman.ws/Costumes/colors/same.jpg


Ooo Pat got it wrong...again. Classic stuff. http://www.smileys.ws/smls/laughing/00000014.gif

That's Metropolis Clark Kent (the disguise) [The Daily Star/Planet reporter]....Tom Welling doesnt play that 'Metropolis Clark Kent' at all.

That kinda nullifies everything.

Remember there are 3 sides to Kal-El (practically every comicbook writer/movie producer confirms this).

Chistopher Reeve was right on the money when he said Welling was simply playing a modern version of Jeff East's character from the first film.

[millennium movies]

Are people still this uneducated...?

LOL. People people people... stop acting like english teachers. IT was a deliberate error ;)!

Geez...

Oh and AgentPat i dont hate SV. It's just got lower lately in quality. I just dont like TW's acting and the overacting of some other people. In case your interested, my favorites and the good actors IMO on that show are, Rosenbaum, clark's mother (cant remember her name), John Glover is most excellent, Jonathan Kent was a good fatherly figure and last but not least, the professor.

That said, my only REAL problem is the childishness of this war going on between SR and SV. SV i find are closed minded and stuck up to give a chance to the new movie, while the SR on other hand it ticks them off and they go on a SV blasting round.

You also said that SV is the only emotional live action interpretation that you have seen of Clark. You haven't seen SR so i would suggest you wait before addressing that. Unless you meant to this date. SR im very shure will have alot of character drama and emotions.

You guys should really rethink your ways. If your a Superman fan, then you would be open to any interpretation of the man of steel. I know i am. Not all have been good but its bettter than no DC or Superman material at all.

Thats my 2 cents!

PS: when i said he never will be casted i knew someone would jump the gun. I only spoke what truly happened. He also never showed interest in playing the movie, so that his fault. People should remember that.

[triplet]

Clark on the farm, more than anything else is closest to who he actually is, so Welling certainly IS playing Kal-El, and maybe the truest "personality" thereof...

...He isn't Metropolis Clark Kent (disguise) he isn't Superman (the pubilic hero persona)

I think you are exactly right.

:up:

[Whiteflag]

Clark on the farm, more than anything else is closest to who he actually is, so Welling certainly IS playing Kal-El, and maybe the truest "personality" thereof...

...He isn't Metropolis Clark Kent (disguise) he isn't Superman (the pubilic hero persona)

Nicely put! :up:

[avidreader]

This works for moi. Nice breakdown. :up:



Y'know, it never ceases to amaze me how SV fans can state till they're blue in the face how much they're beyond ecstatic that Welling wasn't cast in the film, but still be completely ignored. Make a statement like "he's Superman" however, and self professed fans of the character and the mythos are all over us like white on rice. LOL Eh, whatcha gonna do? :rolleyes:

Hey Millennium, just so you know, I'm not a fanboy, and there's no such word as "casted." Oh yeah, and I'm glad Welling wasn't cast in SR. If he eventually goes on to portray the character in a feature film or DTV, I'd want it to be *after* SV concludes its run on the small screen, and I'd want it to be based on SV's modern continuity and character history, not one that's nearly 30 years old. I don't *want* to see him change his style or approach. He's made the character real and relatable through his own personal interpretation, and THAT's the one that actually MEANS something to me right now.

It's rather funny how audiences are apparently being expected to accept the other guy as the new Superman simply because he shares the same name and a "vague" history with one that we DO care about. Uh, no. Doesn't work that way. Sowee. As far as I'm concerned, new dude is just playing a character in an oddly familiar, but disturbingly wrong costume.

There's more depth to this Kal-El and this Clark than I've ever seen in any live action portrayal before. Your mileage of course, may vary...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/vengeance3.jpg

Ahhh Pat..... your words never fail to amaze me and touch me. Nice job! :)

You too Watchman. I think you summed it up very precisely. :up:

[Serene]

^*sniff*
It's posts like Pat's and Watchman's that keep me coming back here.

(and my buds.. speaking of which, when is BaK coming back? Wasn't he only on a probationary ban? I miss him.)

[avidreader]

^*sniff*
It's posts like Pat's and Watchman's that keep me coming back here.

(and my buds.. speaking of which, when is BaK coming back? Wasn't he only on a probationary ban? I miss him.)

I noticed Bak was on yesterday and I was going to PM him and welcome him back (haa, haa) Bak, Back.... get it... anyway, it said he was still on probationary ban. :(

[Bruce_Wayne29]

This works for moi. Nice breakdown. :up:



Y'know, it never ceases to amaze me how SV fans can state till they're blue in the face how much they're beyond ecstatic that Welling wasn't cast in the film, but still be completely ignored. Make a statement like "he's Superman" however, and self professed fans of the character and the mythos are all over us like white on rice. LOL Eh, whatcha gonna do? :rolleyes:

Hey Millennium, just so you know, I'm not a fanboy, and there's no such word as "casted." Oh yeah, and I'm glad Welling wasn't cast in SR. If he eventually goes on to portray the character in a feature film or DTV, I'd want it to be *after* SV concludes its run on the small screen, and I'd want it to be based on SV's modern continuity and character history, not one that's nearly 30 years old. I don't *want* to see him change his style or approach. He's made the character real and relatable through his own personal interpretation, and THAT's the one that actually MEANS something to me right now.

It's rather funny how audiences are apparently being expected to accept the other guy as the new Superman simply because he shares the same name and a "vague" history with one that we DO care about. Uh, no. Doesn't work that way. Sowee. As far as I'm concerned, new dude is just playing a character in an oddly familiar, but disturbingly wrong costume.

There's more depth to this Kal-El and this Clark than I've ever seen in any live action portrayal before. Your mileage of course, may vary...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/vengeance3.jpg

Have I told you how much I like you ? :up:

[Whiteflag]

I like you too, AgentPat. Very much! :)

[JackMercy]

LOL. People people people... stop acting like english teachers. IT was a deliberate error ;)!

You guys should really rethink your ways. If your a Superman fan, then you would be open to any interpretation of the man of steel. I know i am.

I only spoke what truly happened. He also never showed interest in playing the movie, so that his fault. People should remember that.


Ehh... may I ask how deliberately making the error makes you any more intelligent? Why are you here, again?

Your second sentence? ...hmmm... touche!

Your third sentence? Well, I could go there, but it's just not worth it...

I'll just say... you preach a lot for someone who claims to know what "truly happened"...but is really only repeating what lots of other people believe...


;)

[millennium movies]

Mr. JackMercy...

Can't have a normal and civilised person join this forum and have a respectful normal conversation? You call yourself intelligent, you and some can't even deal with other people. Quite an example of a person. What a self centered forum this is! Based on selfish , ego filled , closed minded people. Seems like TW and SV has you brainwashed. That's the only thing that comes to my mind when i read some of these posts. Then you dare call me a "rehash"? Perhaps you should think deeper. When someone usually tells you more than once you do something bad, you should note. Unless you want to call them all a rehash...
Only person preaching here is you and your fanclub!

Your doing exactly the same thing btw ;)

PS: Assuming is a horrible thing to do! Only fools assume! Never do that again, i except more from someone trying to pretend having a higher intelligence...

[The Kid]

What episode does tom sound most like superman in to you lot? I remember one ep when lana or someone was in the hospital and I swear he said "lois" with the perfectly pitched superman voice. Are there others where tom's not still trying to sound like a teen?

[MJZ]

What episode does tom sound most like superman in to you lot? I remember one ep when lana or someone was in the hospital and I swear he said "lois" with the perfectly pitched superman voice. Are there others where tom's not still trying to sound like a teen?

Honestly, best moment was that one episode at the end where he was telling Chloe to go see her mother. For the first time, he was speaking with authority and moral fortitude, rather than the usual doe-eyed innocence. It was a great transition from the boy to the man, and I hope they do it more often.

The bit where he was threatening Lionel was decent, but it came across a bit forced.

[TrailerMusic]

Are there others where tom's not still trying to sound like a teen?

Him telling Lionel to stay the **** away from his Mother is one

[AgentPat]

Hugs to my buds. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/grouphug.gif

(hey Pat, should we form a tag team...?)Jeeze. After this morning's shenanigans, I'm spent. LOL

Hey, so where have ya been? The party's just getting started![/John McClane]

IT was a deliberate error ;)Whatever you say. May I suggest a winky if you wish to continue to make such deliberate "errors" in the future though? Do whatever you want of course, but as it stands now, it just looks foolish.

Oh and AgentPat i dont hate SV. It's just got lower lately in quality. I just dont like TW's acting and the overacting of some other people. In case your interested, my favorites and the good actors IMO on that show are, Rosenbaum, clark's mother (cant remember her name), John Glover is most excellent, Jonathan Kent was a good fatherly figure and last but not least, the professor.Well, that's just ducky, though it has little to do with our exchange. It's one thing to post an opinion of what you *think* will happen, but making definitive statements like that one from last night WILL come back and bite you in the butt. Trust me; I've got the scars to prove it.

That said, my only REAL problem is the childishness of this war going on between SR and SV. SV i find are closed minded and stuck up to give a chance to the new movie, while the SR on other hand it ticks them off and they go on a SV blasting round.This is WHY the mods have asked for a moratorium on discussion of "opposing" properties in opposite forums; it limits stupid arguments (this being one of 'em.)

You also said that SV is the only emotional live action interpretation that you have seen of Clark.No, I didn't say that. Go back and read the post.

I said, "There's more depth to this Kal-El and this Clark than I've ever seen in any live action portrayal before."

You haven't seen SR so i would suggest you wait before addressing that. Unless you meant to this date.I bolded the appropriate parts for clarification.

SR im very shure will have alot of character drama and emotions.And your point is?

You guys should really rethink your ways.You should rethink adhering to forum rules.

If your a Superman fan, then you would be open to any interpretation of the man of steel.Who said we weren't? I've already said I'd see the film. So have many others. Thunder Emperor (sorry dude - you're the first person that came to mind) is going to see it on opening night, and he's been pretty outspoken about how he feels in regards to the film.

Not all have been good...AH! Interesting. So they aren't all equal in your eyes, huh? Tell me, do you like certain ones because they're good, or are they good because you like them?

There may be an epiphany to this conversation after all. ;)

I only spoke what truly happened. He also never showed interest in playing the movie, so that his fault. People should remember that.See, THIS is the kind of stuff that drives me batty. You have no CLUE what "truly happened." Nobody does. It's all rumor an innuendo, and you will get diametrically opposed opinions about what people *think* happened, depending upon whom you ask.

As to Welling's interest in SR, the most you will get out of him is that it's a massive production, it looks wonderful, and it would have ended SV if he were cast.

That's IT. And THAT is what "people should remember."

...assuming is a horrible thing to do!Oh, the irony. LMAO!!

Um, Millennium?

Eh. Forget it. It's more fun this way. :D :up:

http://www.columbia.edu/~sss31/graphics/car-pizza.gif

[millennium movies]

Wow you went through alot of trouble. For what? Show off? For foocks sake, mind your own business. Quoting parts that i was talking to Jack about... again, mind your own business! Some ego you got to pull this crap...

Comment i made last night? Can't sleep at night Pat? I simply spoke the truth, Welling will never be Superman. It's too late now. He's got SV and the films already has their guy. The only way is the end of the SV show but i doubt it, knowing the producer's way. Whats so shocking about it, open your eyes man! It's not my problem you cant deal with that factor.

PS: Your picture does not help your case. But hey, if it amusses you, have fun!

[AgentPat]

Your picture does not help your case. More, MORE! Don't stop. LOL This gets better and better. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif


Glad you enjoyed my post. :up:

[millennium movies]

^ That was a pointless post! You could of done without it. Who said i enjoyed your post? Learn to read , please! No wonder so many people consider this place such a ****hole. Great job proving them wrong!

[jas01724]

There's always a Queen song to fit any situation. In this case I was almost tempted to say I'm Going Slightly Mad. But perhaps Innuendo is more apt ...

[millennium movies]

^ LOL! Thanks jas! (made me literaly LOL)

[triplet]

LOL!

Too funny...

I love ya, James!

*triplet affectionately ruffles James mop of hair*

[millennium movies]

Anyway, sorry for the rest of the folks to have kept this thread active. My appologies. Im calling it a night so i will talk to you folks soon!

[Kaboom]

isnt this thread supposed to be of manips of TW?

how come everytime a mod shuts a thread down about SR, the topic shows up in another thread. that makes me go slightly mad.

[millennium movies]

I dont know, i wasn't talking about SR.

[MJZ]

isnt this thread supposed to be of manips of TW?

how come everytime a mod shuts a thread down about SR, the topic shows up in another thread. that makes me go slightly mad.

I guess the "fans" of that production need to get their daily quota in or else they start paying interest.

[Pickle-El]

I guess the "fans" of that production need to get their daily quota in or else they start paying interest.


Howcome no one's done any manips recently....there's good 'base' pics out there for them.

[Kaboom]

This Thread is on a great roll, Thank you Zing for Restarting this Topic.

Here is one of my Favorite Tom Welling as SUPERMAN pictures.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/fan-art/smallville_super.jpg

hey this is cool.....do you think we'll get a shot like this in the finale?

[AgentPat]

isnt this thread supposed to be of manips of TW?No, the TW manip thread is here:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166993


Zing layed out the "rules" for this thread:

Discussion is to be restricted to Tom Welling as Clark Kent/Superman on Smallville and what Tom Welling brings to the table (with regards to the character) on THAT show only!

...this isn't just a picture threat. People are free to discuss his character qualities as the man of steel, and on and on and on.:)

[Kaboom]

^^^i was just trying to steer the conversation away from you know what

[AgentPat]

^^^i was just trying to steer the conversation away from you know whatHee! Good thinking. :up: :D

Lets run with that. I just posted this over in DeKnight's blog. Think this could work on the show?

I'm stuck on the flying thing. Here's another suggestion for connecting the dots...

Clark's heretofore disinterest in trying to fly could be explained as a result of the physical pain he experienced as a kid in Pete's tree house. Kryptonite made him sick when he was in a high place, and now through subconscious association, that pain has manifested itself into his adult acrophobia.

The writers are always looking for ways to make Clark relatably "human." It's what makes SV special, and separates this version of the mythos from so many others. Here's another opportunity to "ground" the character with a psychological flaw that many people have, but are perfectly capable of overcoming. What better way to show how irrational this particular phobia is than saddling Superman with a fear of flying? That's writing genius!

[Kaboom]

i can dig it

[Serene]

No, the TW manip thread is here:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166993


Zing layed out the "rules" for this thread:

:)

Oh, jeez.. I forgot about that thread when I posted my manip in this one.
Sorry. :O

I'm stuck on the flying thing. Here's another suggestion for connecting the dots...

Clark's heretofore disinterest in trying to fly could be explained as a result of the physical pain he experienced as a kid in Pete's tree house. Kryptonite made him sick when he was in a high place, and now through subconscious association, that pain has manifested itself into his adult acrophobia.

The writers are always looking for ways to make Clark relatably "human." It's what makes SV special, and separates this version of the mythos from so many others. Here's another opportunity to "ground" the character with a psychological flaw that many people have, but are perfectly capable of overcoming. What better way to show how irrational this particular phobia is than saddling Superman with a fear of flying? That's writing genius!

Doesn't Clark already have a fear of heights? But it's never stopped him from doing things that needed to be done before so I think it would be cool to have him actually verbalize his fears (accomplishing the "humanizing" you refer to) but not let it be full-blown enough to cripple him from flying.

[AgentPat]

Oh, jeez.. I forgot about that thread when I posted my manip in this one.
Sorry. :OPfft! Don't apologize. At least it's on-topic - and welcome! ;)

Doesn't Clark already have a fear of heights? But it's never stopped him from doing things that needed to be done before so I think it would be cool to have him actually verbalize his fears (accomplishing the "humanizing" you refer to) but not let it be full-blown enough to cripple him from flying.I guess the suggestion is more of a "how to unpaint yourself out of a corner" type thing, but I didn't want to present it that way.

Clearly, Clark has known that he can at least levitate since the second episode of the show. Ironically, it was in that very episode that the writers also established that Clark has a fear of heights. Now, if YOU woke up floating over your bed one morning, wouldn't you be wicked curious about how you did it, and perhaps want to try doing it again?

But if heights make you sick, maybe you might be dissuaded a little. It's a means to an end of a common beef among fans: why doesn't Clark at least *try* to fly on his own? Well, the literal answer is, it's too freakin' expensive to have Clark fly on SV. LOL So they need to come up with a viable excuse in the plot to satiate an ever-growing, and quite frankly legitimate complaint.

I think it could work. It does make sense, and it adds another dimension to Clark's character development.

[AgentPat]

Him telling Lionel to stay the **** away from his Mother is one:up:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/mercy.jpg

That scene left me speechless. Talk about intense! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/stunned.gif

[Whiteflag]

Such a great scene, wonderfully played by Tom, and such a great cap!

Thanks AgentPat! Other people's words and intentions make me sad. This gives me joy! :)

[BaK]

Clearly, Clark has known that he can at least levitate since the second episode of the show. Ironically, it was in that very episode that the writers also established that Clark has a fear of heights. Now, if YOU woke up floating over your bed one morning, wouldn't you be wicked curious about how you did it, and perhaps want to try doing it again?
good points, but..

what they do in terms of the "flying superpower", can be imo explained pretty good in the context of his (Clark's) sort of "fear based" relationship with more or less all of his "developing" superpowers.
Because up until he "masters" them, they kind of freak him out, and with pa's help, or some other way, he feels better about having control over them, but only in the end where it all has to make sense..

that's basically 50% of the show, his growing up with an extra "growing up" within growing up..

now, the flying should be the one "any young super being" could and should fear the most..
Also, there were episodes with enough material to see what kind of trouble he can get into just by "sleep walking", so we can imagine easily something like "sleep flying", or "similar", and where the base for fear in his mind/subconciousness would come from/lead to..

:)

[avidreader]

Hey welcome back Bak!:up:

Good points too. Plus they've always kind of indicated that Clark flying would be akin to him fully accepting his destinty.

[BaK]

Hey welcome back Bak!:up:
thanks..

Good points too. Plus they've always kind of indicated that Clark flying would be akin to him fully accepting his destinty.
yep, there's got to be much, way much more to that "story" then just "another superpower"..

[Ultimate_Superman]

I'm stuck on the flying thing. Here's another suggestion for connecting the dots...

Clark's heretofore disinterest in trying to fly could be explained as a result of the physical pain he experienced as a kid in Pete's tree house. Kryptonite made him sick when he was in a high place, and now through subconscious association, that pain has manifested itself into his adult acrophobia.

The writers are always looking for ways to make Clark relatably "human." It's what makes SV special, and separates this version of the mythos from so many others. Here's another opportunity to "ground" the character with a psychological flaw that many people have, but are perfectly capable of overcoming. What better way to show how irrational this particular phobia is than saddling Superman with a fear of flying? That's writing genius!Great Points Pat but this reminds me alot of Man of Steel and where they went wrong. They were making Superman more human or mor like Spider-Man. I think the need to instead of trying to make him more human foucs more on Krypton and show more why he isn't one of us. To behonest what Batman said to him in IC is correct. Thats what I feel they need to show because making him more and more human strips him of what he really is.

[Kaboom]

an alien!

[superboy13]

http://notasfunnyasithought.com/wellingrouth.jpg

[BaK]

......Thats what I feel they need to show because making him more and more human strips him of what he really is. nope, he ain't human, and this guy agrees..

http://oxoniensis.net/caps/sv/303/extinctionws_116.jpg (http://oxoniensis.net/caps/sv/303/extinctionws_116.jpg?v=0)

[Kaboom]

hi. i see youre new. theres a standing rule in all smallville forums that there can be no reference, implicit or explicit to superman returns. discussing it, or referencing can lead to a ban.
kindly, remove the image.
otherwise, welcome to the hype! pull up a chair.

[superboy13]

done

[Pickle-El]

Mike over at The Planet:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1242/asap0wd.png

[The Kid]

sans routh's ears poking out of tom's head, that actually looks alright...

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

sans routh's ears poking out of tom's head, that actually looks alright...

Yeah. It does seem like it.

[MJZ]

I think it's so-so. Bad pic of Welling to use and that's not all his face...

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Mike over at The Planet:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1242/asap0wd.png

Not bad, although, I've seen much better quality work.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I just cant get past that awful rubber suit....

[user123456789]

that looks fantastic to me

[darkzombiemutt]

Looks good to me.

[AgentPat]

I think it's so-so. Bad pic of Welling to use and that's not all his face...I think it's a little misleading because Mike "flipped" the original, and like all faces, there's always something strange when you see it in mirror image...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/phoenix7b.jpg
^ This image is mirrored; it's not how it was seen on the show.

The other thing about Mike's manip is that Welling has a different hairline. It naturally parts on the left, but when they want to make him look different *cough*Superman-ish*cough*, they part it on the right...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/relic11.jpg

Here's a better photo, which is old, but still accurate. It shows his actual hairline. It's a large image, so I'll just link it: 600x800 (http://www.patcostello.com/temp/welling6.jpg).

I just cant get past that awful rubber suit....Well, yeah, it does bother me too, but for a manip, it's less about the suit design and more about how it changes his body. Pickle had asked recently why there weren't more manips being made of Welling since there were so many new images to work with. I think Mike's manip provides a good answer to that question. While the manip itself is well done - notice Mike changed the belt, collar cut, cape attachment, and did a nice job color matching the screen cap from Phoenix with the magazine scan from the film - it still just doesn't look "right." Why? 'Cause the face is flipped, the hairline isn't his, and most egregious of all - it's not Welling's body.

Welling has hanging shoulders for starters...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exposed11.jpg

That feature would cause the cape to drape differently over his traps. It's minor, but it does change the appearance of the cape at the collar bone and how it might pleat higher around the back of his neck. It has the added effect of making his neck look wider at its base. Note DarkB's manip as a comparison...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/manip-darkb.jpg

The real anomaly however (probably my biggest beef with the film's suit) is the whole torso area - the chest, ribs and abs. What's going on there? It never looked natural to me. It's VERY different from Tom's physique.

Welling has decent lats, which give him a moderate V shape, but his ribs don't stick out like that. I don't think I've seen *anybody's* ribs stick out quite like that. It's just odd. Welling also has a deep lateral separation that starts at his neck just above the sternum and cuts down through his pecs, each ab section, and ends at the navel...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/transference1.jpg

It's a feature that I believe would be *very* noticeable through a skin tight body suit.

Wait for it...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/spell9.jpg

My other pet peeve has been the size of the logo. I think the perfect size would be like the one in that panel above, which waddaya know, appears to be *exactly* what the producers are shooting for...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exodus.jpg





Yes, Pat's back! LOL

[rumpuso]

^ This is why it was such a high crime that you were missing for several days. There is no one who can fill your shoes.

Brilliant post.

[AgentPat]

^ This is why it was such a high crime that you were missing for several days.Aw, shucks. [turns red and shuffles feet] Thanks, Chel! :D

[RakuMon]

Smallville made MoviesOnline's top five best tv shows still on the air: 3. "Smallville" - Throughout comics history, the story of Superman has fascinated fans as a pivotal piece of Americana. Superman was the very first real superhero, and his adventures have been told time and time again in comic books, television shows, and motion pictures. The latest TV incarnation of Superman, however, revolutionized the way fans looked at the larger than life icon and introduced Clark Kent, Lex Luthor, and Lana Lang to a whole new generation, some of which had oddly enough never even heard of Superman. Telling the origin of Superman from the very start of learning his identity is a concept explored only for moments at a time in any given past media. Until "Smallville" came along, the early years of Superman were left in the dark and very much unexplored, and since it premiered 5 years ago, "Smallville" has been reinventing the classic and original superhero, World's Greatest Hero nonetheless. The series has captured so much that we knew about Superman and created so much that we never imagined about him, as well as redefining much of the mythology to become truly unique in its own right, and that exceptional slant continues to shine so brightly as to have fans claiming its stars and characters as some of the best to ever carry the Superman torch. Nothing says it better than Christopher Reeve appearing on the show twice officially passing this torch along for this new adaptation of the mythos. As its tagline states, "Every story has a beginning," and "Smallville" tells it like no one else ever has.
http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_8835.html

[darkzombiemutt]

sweet. Now if they could just stop recycling plot devices in the show, maybe they could make it higher on the list.

[RakuMon]

Scripps Howard News has a nice history of screen portrayals of Superman.
http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=SUPERLEGACY-FILM-06-22-06
Here are the Smallville-relevant bits:
"Smallville," the WB series that debuted in October 2001, with America newly ready to embrace a superhero, broadened and deepened the legend of Clark Kent/Superman by focusing on his adolescence. Now heading into its sixth season (on the new CW), the show struck a chord with viewers by using Clark's newly realized power as a metaphor for puberty.

As Clark, Tom Welling is that most mythic of figures: an incredibly gorgeous high-school boy who is nice to everyone and sweet to his parents. Welling emanates strength as well as surges of pride. But, like Reeve, he always maintains an innocence. Even as he's saving you, you want to tousle his hair.

Yet, even over the course of five seasons, Welling hasn't made the impact Reeve made in just four films (or rather, three films, since nobody saw the fourth). That's why Reeve is the quintessential screen Superman, at least until we see what Routh has to offer.

And here's what she has to say about Erica's Lois:

Because "Smallville" takes place during Clark's youth, his main love interest is childhood sweetheart Lana Lang. Erica Durance didn't show up as teen reporter Lois until the fourth season, and her portrayal is spirited but lacking in depth. But it's fun to witness the mature interplay between Welling and Durance, both pushing 30 and older than Routh and Bosworth, who play the characters as adults in "Superman Returns."

[AgentPat]

Gotta luv all the recent articles on the Superman topic. ;)

Here's some SV-related excerpts from another...

'Superman' expert looks forward to latest incarnation
By BARBARA VANCHERI
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
23-JUN-06

Back in the day, Tom De Haven raided his family's supply of sandwich bags for something much more important than peanut-butter sandwiches: Superman comic books.

"Now they have all this Mylar, and it's all really good" for preservation. "I just used to put them in the earliest versions of plastic sandwich bags. I don't know how well they're doing, but they're all in plastic and sealed in boxes. I assume they're OK."

Today, the 57-year-old is working on a nonfiction book about Superman for the "American Icons" series developed by Yale University Press. His 2005 novel, "It's Superman," re-imagining the life of a young Clark Kent in the 1930s, will come out in paperback in late August.

...[snip]...

De Haven was rooting for another Superman, "Smallville" star Welling, to make the leap to the big screen. "He's marvelous in that show. He just kind of comes across to me as the kind of sweet-natured, Chris Reeve sort of Superman, that kind of Superboy I always liked.

"At the beginning of his career, what would he do? He didn't know how to do any of these things. He didn't know how to take control of his vision or his flight or his superhearing. (Welling) plays it very, very well as an intelligent kid who's kind of fascinated and appalled by what's happening to his body."

Full article can be read here:
http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=SUPEREXPERT-FILM-06-23-06

[RakuMon]

With all the attention surrounding Superman, it's nice to see Welling and SV get some of the residual. Here in EW's history of Superman, is their take on Smallville. Though the writer gets the thing about Chloe wrong:

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1208523-10-10_1||249578|1_,00.html

http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060627/135659__welling_l.jpg

TEEN TITAN
On Smallville (2001-present), Clark Kent (Tom Welling, left) is like many teen heroes on The WB: beautiful, beset by adolescent frustrations, and burdened with a heavy secret. The series tries more for realism than the old Superboy comics did; Clark still crushes on Lana Lang (Kristen Kreuk) and maintains an uneasy friendship with the troubled Lex Luthor (Michael Rosenbaum, right), but there's no cape, no tights, and no blatant heroics that would expose the secret known only to Clark's adoptive parents (John Schneider and Annette O'Toole, who played Lana Lang in 1983's Superman III). Clark's pal Chloe (Allison Mack) became so popular that she was written into the comics. Welling was reportedly passed over for the big-screen role of Clark Kent in Superman Returns so that he could keep the character alive on TV. After all, this Kent fella, despite all the stories that have been told about him so far, still has a long future ahead of him.
(Posted:06/27/06)

[Max]

This was article in the MSNB web page by Erik Lundegaard (6/26/06) entitled "Sex and the Superman." It was an article about all the incarnations about the different portrayals of Superman, and it acknowledged Smallville. Here's what he had to say

"Smallville" is actually one of the best revisionist looks at the Superman myth. The Kryptonian baby arrives during a meteor shower that does bad stuff to people in Smallville -- giving him requisite "supervillains" to battle. Clark's own powers accumulate via a kind of super-adolescence he doesn't understand. The show is one long bidungsroman. We know what he will become, and it's fun watching him not quite get there.

Initially this Clark was the town nerd who fumbled and collapsed around Lana Lang because of her kryptonite necklace, but eventually it became silly pretending that actor Tom Welling wasn't 6-foot-3 and model-handsome. So they didn't. They fetishized him. Many episodes wind up with Clark tied up and/or shirtless. "Who's the hottie in primary colors?" says a new girl in town. The first time Lois Lane sees him he's standing in a field without a stich on. This is Clark for girls as opposed to boys. He's mild-mannered, hot, and rescues everyone. Clark isn't an everyman here, he's a superman. The break hasn't been made yet.

[avidreader]

^^^^ Nice Max. :up: :)

I cant remember which article it was, but I like the one that said that Smallville's Clark was trying to deal with being a hero and a normal guy. It really embodied what he is all about and why this Clark would choose to wear a suit later on.

[avidreader]

The Lexington-Herald Leader (http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/entertainment/movies/14926715.htm?source=rss&channel=kentucky_movies)contains an article comparing the various men who have played Superman, based on physique, hair and clothing. Here’s what they have to say about Tom Welling's physique:

"He has a very strong symmetrical and toned physique that is very apparent by his strong lean jaw structure. He has long arms yet his lengthy physique complements this and his shoulder-to-waist ratio gives him the classic 'V' look that bodybuilders and comic book superheroes display, but less dramatic and extreme."


Where's that picture Pat? Ah, she's away..... when she gets back she can post it. Again. :D

[Max]

The Lexington-Herald Leader (http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/entertainment/movies/14926715.htm?source=rss&channel=kentucky_movies)contains an article comparing the various men who have played Superman, based on physique, hair and clothing. Here’s what they have to say about Tom Welling's physique:
[i]

Where's that picture Pat? Ah, she's away..... when she gets back she can post it. Again. :D

I wonder what picture you could possibly be referring to, Avid. :)

[user123456789]

The Lexington-Herald Leader (http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/entertainment/movies/14926715.htm?source=rss&channel=kentucky_movies)contains an article comparing the various men who have played Superman, based on physique, hair and clothing.
A mixed bag. In one photo, Brown is complimentary of Welling's hair, calling it "soft-textured, very sexy." In another, he noted, there's "way too much product, looks like Product-Man."

rofl product-man???

[triplet]

Here's an aritcle on all the incarnations of Big Blue on the small screen:

http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060702/NEWS/607020342/1050&template=currents

Here's what the writer had to say about Smallville:

It was teenagers, though, who should be credited with keeping Superman relevant these past few years. Without them, the young-adult skewing WB network would never have found success with Smallville.

Launching in the fall of 2001, almost a month before Justice League premiered, the show quickly established a formula that would woo die-hard fans and Superman newcomers for five seasons (and counting). In the world of Smallville, which has Clark Kent growing up in modern times, there are superpowers, yes, but no tights. And while superhuman leaps aren't out of the question, flying certainly is. And just when the show seems to get too caught up in alien plans for world domination that can only be stopped by some superhuman feats, it cuts to the tragic, star-crossed love story of young Clark (Tom Welling) and Lana Lang (Kristin Kreuk).

In the pilot episode, after noticing Clark is reading a book by Nietzsche, Lana asks him, "So, what are you, Clark? Man or Superman?" Thankfully, Smallville, which moves to the new CW network this fall, doesn't make him choose.

The show's ability to explore both sides of our hero's character is what gives Smallville its power - and what makes it the best Superman saga since 1978. On any sized screen.

[avidreader]

Nice Triplet. :up: :) I like this line.

The show's ability to explore both sides of our hero's character is what gives Smallville its power - and what makes it the best Superman saga since 1978. On any sized screen.

[Timstuff]

Since Superman Returns is kind of flopping hopefully that means Warner Bros. will be a little less reluctant about letting TW don the tights for SV's finale.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Its not flopping its doing better then Batman Begins. To be honest its doing better then I expected with the story line they have and everything and its doing very well for a restart. Also its not a flop if it has 84 + mil and is the number one movie (and this is not counting the 4th of July sales.)

[Kaboom]

^^^i had wanted to say the same thing tony, but you know, the whole prospect of getting banned...figured it wasnt worth it

[Zing79]

Its not flopping its doing better then Batman Begins. To be honest its doing better then I expected with the story line they have and everything and its doing very well for a restart. Also its ot a flop if it has 84 + mil and is the number one movie (and this is not counting the 4th of July sales.)
uh huh

/brings it back on topic

And how does this all relate to SV you say? Between the two properties SV is clearly the cash cow, and I highly doubt they're going to keep handcuffing the show with rules because of a film property that isn't as nice on the bottom line.

[Ultimate_Superman]

uh huh

/brings it back on topic

And how does this all relate to SV you say? Between the two properties SV is clearly the cash cow, and I highly doubt they're going to keep handcuffing the show with rules because of a film property that isn't as nice on the bottom line.There not really handcuffing SV now. The only thing with SV is that if they do anything from Superman it has to look close to the movie other then that how are they handcuffing them? I mean SV has the Daily Planet, they have Lois, they have the FOS, they have Zod, hell they are getting Jimmy so they are not being handcuff. They have a bad writing staff right now but other then that they have no real reason as to why you can say they are being handcuff or told what to do.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Its not flopping its doing better then Batman Begins. To be honest its doing better then I expected with the story line they have and everything and its doing very well for a restart. Also its not a flop if it has 84 + mil and is the number one movie (and this is not counting the 4th of July sales.)

Until it makes 250 million they won't see any profit, so it can't really be called a sucess until then. Actually I thought it would do a lot better than it did given all the praise it has been getting. I underestimated the millions of ppl who don't relate to that story, that horrible suit and that Superman.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Until it makes 250 million they won't see any profit, so it can't really be called a sucess until then. Actually I thought it would do a lot better than it did given all the praise it has been getting. I underestimated the millions of ppl who don't relate to that story, that horrible suit and that Superman.The suit looks better in IMAX but it is doing better then BB ;) but we must not speak of these things unless we want to get banned.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Until it makes 250 million they won't see any profit, so it can't really be called a sucess until then. Actually I thought it would do a lot better than it did given all the praise it has been getting. I underestimated the millions of ppl who don't relate to that story, that horrible suit and that Superman.

they'll need to make a hell of a lot more than that considering the theaters get almost half the ticket revenue.

[triplet]

they'll need to make a hell of a lot more than that considering the theaters get almost half the ticket revenue.

Well, that's not quite true.

It's a sliding scale that changes as the film ages....

It starts out with a 90/10 split with the distrib getting the 90%, the theatre owner getting 10%, and going down 10% each week until it bottoms out at (I believe) 20/80....

That's one reason Warner's decided to open SR early, the more butts they get in the seats the first week the better it is for their bottom line.

The earnings they reported for Wednesday were disengenous since the only reason the take was so high was they counted the previews.... Their real Wednesday take was about half of what they reported, thanks to them adding in Tuesday's box office...

[Bruce_Wayne29]

yeah and I'm betting next week when Pirates opens, there will be a huge drop in their tickets sale.

[Thunder Emperor]

they'll need to make a hell of a lot more than that considering the theaters get almost half the ticket revenue.
they need to make upwards of 400 million to break even. i beleive EW said 600 million. whichis not going to happen with such as disappointing weekend.

[Antonello Blueberry]

they need to make upwards of 400 million to break even. i beleive EW said 600 million. whichis not going to happen with such as disappointing weekend.
To break even in theatres, worldwide. Then you have to add all the money from the DVD and Tv sales,

[triplet]

To break even in theatres, worldwide.

Worldwide box office doesn't affect the bottom line, since the financial distribution is handled by other companies, not Warner's....

The foreign distrubution companies pay up front fees to get the film. They don't pay any money back to the studio after they've paid the fee so rest of world box office doesn't affect the bottom line at all.

Studios announce worldwide box office mostly as part of their spin campaigns post release, but it doesn't mean anything to them financially.

[RakuMon]

uh huh

/brings it back on topic

And how does this all relate to SV you say? Between the two properties SV is clearly the cash cow, and I highly doubt they're going to keep handcuffing the show with rules because of a film property that isn't as nice on the bottom line.

Zing's right. In a way, the features division has been "handcuffing" Smallville. There are a lot of restrictions in regards to Clark/Lois, production design, etc. that is decreed from on high.

One thing that is obviously a compromise w/ features is the FOS and the way Kryptonian tech is portrayed on the show. It isn't a coincidence that Krypt-Tech is now exclusively Donner-esque crystals?

[Antonello Blueberry]

Worldwide box office doesn't affect the bottom line, since the financial distribution is handled by other companies, not Warner's....
Warner distributes directly its movies in all the big markets.


Studios announce worldwide box office mostly as part of their spin campaigns post release, but it doesn't mean anything to them financially.
You are wrong and just to prove it think of Troy, that made all its budget back and then some in the foreign markets, making it such a success that Warners had no problems in putting Petersen in the chair of another expensive blockbuster.

[triplet]

Ah, okay... that's not how I understood it.

*shrug*

[The Incredible Hulk]

Worldwide box office doesn't affect the bottom line, since the financial distribution is handled by other companies, not Warner's....

The foreign distrubution companies pay up front fees to get the film. They don't pay any money back to the studio after they've paid the fee so rest of world box office doesn't affect the bottom line at all.

Studios announce worldwide box office mostly as part of their spin campaigns post release, but it doesn't mean anything to them financially.

I'm pretty sure thats only independent studios. Warners I'm sure has an international distribution arm, theyd be crazy not to

[triplet]

I'm pretty sure thats only independent studios. Warners I'm sure has an international distribution arm, theyd be crazy not to

Gotcha...

[C. Lee]

Seeing as how this is the "Tom Welling as Superman" thread....here is something I found....hope you folks hadn't seen it before.
http://superherouniverse.com/superheroes/images/fanart/bingham2005/superman_batman/superman.jpg

[Kane]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/Gothamite/TomWellingasSuperman.jpg

[user123456789]

C.Lee's picture: Tom looks horrible

Kane picture: Tom looks pretty good!

[AgentPat]

Amazing how soon some folks forget.

Rest assured, I will NOT! And neither will Triplet, MJZ, or Serene. :o

[user123456789]

Amazing how soon some folks forget.

Rest assured, I will NOT! And neither will Triplet, MJZ, or Serene. :o
:confused:

[Brainiac 8]

Amazing how soon some folks forget.

Rest assured, I will NOT! And neither will Triplet, MJZ, or Serene. :o


I'm on your side with that Pat, they do act as if nothing happened don't they.:mad: :down

[AgentPat]

I'm on your side with that Pat, they do act as if nothing happened don't they.:mad: :downYup. And thanks for remembering. :up:

[Brainiac 8]

Yup. And thanks for remembering. :up:

How could one forget.:mad:

I got your backs.:up:

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Hopefully the disapointing box office will make Warner rethink their restrictions and maybe even order a direct to dvd/tv live action movie to Gough and Millar.

[Whiteflag]

AgentPat, whatever it is, I'm sure I'm with you too. :)

[Antonello Blueberry]

Hopefully the disapointing box office will make Warner rethink their restrictions and maybe even order a direct to dvd/tv live action movie to Gough and Millar.
Disappointing? Wait and see...

[phil]

Welling would be a awesome Superman. Here's a drawing I did, not nearly as good as the original this is just a digitial photo of it...
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/newsuit.jpg

[KalKai]

Welcome to SHH phil.

[phil]

Welcome to SHH phil.


Thank you, I just got banned from bluetights for not liking the new movie i guess. I do like Routh but I don't think he can compare to Welling as Superman.

SV has given us so many Superman moments that make our neck hairs stand up without him even having the suit! God I hope we get that T.V. movie! Can you imagine SV with a big budget! The day-time Fortress birth was awesome on a small budget.

[phil]

MJZ, awesome drawings, I wish I saw them sooner, good job!

[MJZ]

Amazing how soon some folks forget.

Rest assured, I will NOT! And neither will Triplet, MJZ, or Serene. :o

I asked the mods here about *that* and was ignored. Interesting, eh?

[MJZ]

MJZ, awesome drawings, I wish I saw them sooner, good job!

Hi Phil, thanks, and yours is awesome also.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I asked the mods here about *that* and was ignored. Interesting, eh?

yeah that's exactly why, with a few exceptions, I have about zero respect for the moderation on these boards. I'd have more respect for those jokes had they never banned the moron in the 1st place, as opposed to banning him and then going back on it.

I've seen people here get banned for life in the Community forum for less and theyve never come back. But that clown wipes his ass with the T.O.S. here by taking user posted photos and makes an insulting, sexist, homophobic video out of them, and he gets let back in just because, I'm assuming he asked nicely.

[MJZ]

yeah that's exactly why, with a few exceptions, I have about zero respect for the moderation on these boards. I'd have more respect for those jokes had they never banned the moron in the 1st place, as opposed to banning him and then going back on it.

I've seen people here get banned for life in the Community forum for less and theyve never come back. But that clown wipes his ass with the T.O.S. here by taking user posted photos and makes an insulting, sexist, homophobic video out of them, and he gets let back in just because, I'm assuming he asked nicely.

I agree, they suck. Not to say that they're not fine people outside of the forums, but I've never been impressed with the mods here. The best was Snipe but even he couldn't stand it after so long.

[Zing79]

The last few days have made this thread extremely relevant again.

SV fans got run out of the SR board because we didn't know anything about Superman, and were supporting a franchise (and actor) that did more harm then good to the character. We got pushed out, because we weren't real fans, and we didn't REALLY know how much the general public would love this new movie -- forgoing all things SV as they feel into that love.

SV has made enough money in NET profit (keep focus of the fact I’m saying net, and not gross) already to have earned itself a 200 million dollar budgeted movie (and that budget STILL wouldn't have eaten all the profits its made over the last 5 years). The fans of SV who have paid up in MANY different ways over the years deserve their movie, but barring a miracle run at the BO from SR, they'll likely never get it.

We sit here today, watching a board full of "real" Superman fans being utterly perplexed as to why their beloved character failed to live up to expectations. We sit here today watching a board full of “real” Superman fans backtrack on statements made months and months ago (about the surefire popularity of SR).

I take it all the way back to the famous MSNBC poll. 75% of the general public knew what it wanted. Many in “there” stood up and said: “no, they’ll be told what it is they want through the sheer awesomeness of this awesome movie.” I guess everyone should have been paying attention, because the general public really was trying to say something.

[AgentPat]

^ I have SOOOOO much to say on this subject, I honestly don't know where to begin. Unfortunately, nearly everything will have to be kept to PM, 'cause after seeing... well.. you know... the mind just boggles. :(

...and festers. :mad:

I need time to compose my thoughts into something coherent though. I'm too scatterbrained at the moment, and my rant - 'cause you KNOW it will be a good un (LOL!) - will also be pretty involved. :rolleyes:



PHIL! dood! Welcome to The Hype! :D :up:
I think you'll fit in VERY nicely here, ahuh! ;)

What happened over yonder? :confused:

[C. Lee]

Kane is banned for posting in this forum.

The rest of you have been told to leave SR discussions out of this forum.....do not continue it.

[avidreader]

^ I have SOOOOO much to say on this subject, I honestly don't know where to begin. Unfortunately, nearly everything will have to be kept to PM, 'cause after seeing... well.. you know... the mind just boggles.

...and festers.

I need time to compose my thoughts into something coherent though. I'm too scatterbrained at the moment, and my rant - 'cause you KNOW it will be a good un (LOL!) - will also be pretty involved.



PHIL! dood! Welcome to The Hype! :D :up:
I think you'll fit in VERY nicely here, ahuh! ;)

What happened over yonder? :confused:

Looking forward to a PM. :up:

Welcome Phil! :)

[AgentPat]

Looking forward to a PM.No prob! I haven't started it yet, but I'll put something together tomorrow. :)

PS: Thank you, C. Lee. :up:

[Brainiac 8]

No prob! I haven't started it yet, but I'll put something together tomorrow. :)

PS: Thank you, C. Lee. :up:

You better include me in that PM or I'll be hurt.:( ;)

Phil, welcome dude. Glad to have you here.:)

[Pickle-El]

The last few days have made this thread extremely relevant again.

SV fans got run out of the SR board because we didn't know anything about Superman, and were supporting a franchise (and actor) that did more harm then good to the character. We got pushed out, because we weren't real fans, and we didn't REALLY know how much the general public would love this new movie -- forgoing all things SV as they feel into that love.

SV has made enough money in NET profit (keep focus of the fact I’m saying net, and not gross) already to have earned itself a 200 million dollar budgeted movie (and that budget STILL wouldn't have eaten all the profits its made over the last 5 years). The fans of SV who have paid up in MANY different ways over the years deserve their movie, but barring a miracle run at the BO from SR, they'll likely never get it.

We sit here today, watching a board full of "real" Superman fans being utterly perplexed as to why their beloved character failed to live up to expectations. We sit here today watching a board full of “real” Superman fans backtrack on statements made months and months ago (about the surefire popularity of SR).

I take it all the way back to the famous MSNBC poll. 75% of the general public knew what it wanted. Many in “there” stood up and said: “no, they’ll be told what it is they want through the sheer awesomeness of this awesome movie.” I guess everyone should have been paying attention, because the general public really was trying to say something.



I believe this is the defintion of 'choosing your battles.'

Nicely done.

[Pickle-El]

Here's some advice...No one cares how you've been labeled in the past. If you've got a review to give...Other forums are open. Just post it, seriously. Lots of people from all around the HYPE are doing it.

NO ONE on this forum has anything on MATT or Advanced Dark anyway....it would be a very welcome review. (You guys keep the reviews to the actual product.....you have no idea how much I should have respected that alone from the beginning)

[Zing79]

I believe this is the defintion of 'choosing your battles.'

Nicely done.
Well now I'm officially pissed. Regardless of whether I liked the movie or not, its success and failure has a HUGE impact on SV.

Watching what's playing out right now, is making me believe there's no chance what so ever (in any format) that WB will sign off on a Superman extension of Smallville. And that isn't fair to the SV mythos given they've actually earned themselves a budget from real money, not potential return on investment.

[AgentPat]

Here's some advice...No one cares how you've been labeled in the past. If you've got a review to give...Other forums are open. Just post it, seriously. Lots of people from all around the HYPE are doing it.

NO ONE on this forum has anything on MATT or Advanced Dark anyway....it would be a very welcome review. (You guys keep the reviews to the actual product.....you have no idea how much I should have respected that alone from the beginning)Unfortunately, no can do in that forum either. Y'see, I'm a Superman fan, but I've been spoiled by a characterization that emphasizes conscious before self gratification. I've come to know a Clark Kent that has an inhuman level of honor and principle. Like Reeve, Welling's portrayal has become quite a benchmark, and it's the small stuff that he does and represents in character that makes all the difference in the world. There's so many nuances to his acting style that work on a gut level to drive home what he's thinking and feeling, but he also has the ability to verbalize those feelings in convincing ways. Simply put, I can't talk about Superman w/o using him as a reference, and I can't discuss SV or Welling over yonder.

Example of the small stuff? Well, there's certain things Clark has learned not to do unless he feels somebody is in danger, and meddling in other people's affairs of the heart is at the top of the list. In SV canon, Clark was 14 when he developed X-Ray vision. He asked Martha, "Mom, if you could see anything, what would you do?" She replied, "Learn to close my eyes." 'Tis sage advice. Clark would later tell Pete that his X-Ray vision "only works when I focus and I do not use it to invade people's privacy." Not only is Clark a super man, but he's one of high morals.

This is one of many admirable qualities I think people look up to in Superman. He's there as an inspiration and model for goodness, not just heroism. It is what I prefer to see anyway. Other people's mileage will vary, I'm sure.

Gee, any more posts like this and I won't have to PM people. I think I will have made my point by describing the things I like about SV. Folks can extrapolate the rest. :)

[rumpuso]

I completely agree with your post, Pat. Tom Welling has created a Clark Kent persona that (to me) is now the standard to beat. He is similar to Christopher Reeve in that respect. In any case, because of TW's ability show so much depth in his performance and to convince people that he IS Superman (even without the suit), it would be quite the treat if the fans of SV would given the gift of seeing him, even if only briefly, as the iconic character WITH the suit. :supes:

[triplet]

Thank you, I just got banned from bluetights for not liking the new movie i guess. I do like Routh but I don't think he can compare to Welling as Superman.

SV has given us so many Superman moments that make our neck hairs stand up without him even having the suit! God I hope we get that T.V. movie! Can you imagine SV with a big budget! The day-time Fortress birth was awesome on a small budget.

they banned you for not liking BJ? Unbelievable...

Well, you're welcome here. Many here were happy with BJ in the film and *gasp* I still like them...;) I haven't seen it and am not sure I will yet... I keep going back and forth on whether I will. If I were to see it, I would review the product as presented not through the prism of who was (or wasn't) cast...

Welcome to the hype, Phil!

:up:

[NHawk19]

Pat,

The SR and SV boards may not be the place for the review, but the Super-World forums may be the place to take it public. Check with Lee but it's all things \S/ so SV & SR comparisons etc. should be allowed there.


Hope I'm on the PM list to atleast see it though.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

The last few days have made this thread extremely relevant again.

SV fans got run out of the SR board because we didn't know anything about Superman, and were supporting a franchise (and actor) that did more harm then good to the character. We got pushed out, because we weren't real fans, and we didn't REALLY know how much the general public would love this new movie -- forgoing all things SV as they feel into that love.

SV has made enough money in NET profit (keep focus of the fact I’m saying net, and not gross) already to have earned itself a 200 million dollar budgeted movie (and that budget STILL wouldn't have eaten all the profits its made over the last 5 years). The fans of SV who have paid up in MANY different ways over the years deserve their movie, but barring a miracle run at the BO from SR, they'll likely never get it.

We sit here today, watching a board full of "real" Superman fans being utterly perplexed as to why their beloved character failed to live up to expectations. We sit here today watching a board full of “real” Superman fans backtrack on statements made months and months ago (about the surefire popularity of SR).

I take it all the way back to the famous MSNBC poll. 75% of the general public knew what it wanted. Many in “there” stood up and said: “no, they’ll be told what it is they want through the sheer awesomeness of this awesome movie.” I guess everyone should have been paying attention, because the general public really was trying to say something.

Awesome post. I did get on a bit of an argument (though a civilizaded one) with another poster on the dc comics movie board) about this same thing and I find it funny how he thinks that Tom in that movie wouldn't have made more box-office because the smallville fans saw the movie anyway...lol (like the SV fans could be measured up for a message board or two - I have alot of friends who either don't follow the show or don't like it and they wanted Tom to play the role in a movie).
And just from a business standpoint would you be more confortable putting a 250 million movie on the back of someone the vast majority of the public already saw as Superman or with an unknown. The answer to that question is obvious and only a blind person would think that wouldn´t reflect on box office.

[Whiteflag]

Unfortunately, no can do in that forum either. Y'see, I'm a Superman fan, but I've been spoiled by a characterization that emphasizes conscious before self gratification. I've come to know a Clark Kent that has an inhuman level of honor and principle. Like Reeve, Welling's portrayal has become quite a benchmark, and it's the small stuff that he does and represents in character that makes all the difference in the world. There's so many nuances to his acting style that work on a gut level to drive home what he's thinking and feeling, but he also has the ability to verbalize those feelings in convincing ways. Simply put, I can't talk about Superman w/o using him as a reference, and I can't discuss SV or Welling over yonder.

Example of the small stuff? Well, there's certain things Clark has learned not to do unless he feels somebody is in danger, and meddling in other people's affairs of the heart is at the top of the list. In SV canon, Clark was 14 when he developed X-Ray vision. He asked Martha, "Mom, if you could see anything, what would you do?" She replied, "Learn to close my eyes." 'Tis sage advice. Clark would later tell Pete that his X-Ray vision "only works when I focus and I do not use it to invade people's privacy." Not only is Clark a super man, but he's one of high morals.

This is one of many admirable qualities I think people look up to in Superman. He's there as an inspiration and model for goodness, not just heroism. It is what I prefer to see anyway. Other people's mileage will vary, I'm sure.

Gee, any more posts like this and I won't have to PM people. I think I will have made my point by describing the things I like about SV. Folks can extrapolate the rest. :)

Great post!

I'd love to get your pm's too! (Thanks for the one you already sent) :)

[Brainiac 8]

Was I left out of a PM I didn't know about?:mad: :(

[darkzombiemutt]

I Waannnaaa See Pat!

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I wanna a pm too Pat ! lol

[smsvmos]

Dudes I have to see the PM's Send Send NOW!!!!! Just to let u guys know there is a Spanish forum over at the SRINO thread and atleast in the hispanic comunity NO ONE liked it

[Pickle-El]

Dudes I have to see the PM's Send Send NOW!!!!! Just to let u guys know there is a Spanish forum over at the SRINO thread and atleast in the hispanic comunity NO ONE liked it


I sure as hell enjoyed myself. :o