Tom Welling as Superman

[Lemaris]

I really don't even know what to say about most of those comments.

Obviously I love Tom. But honestly even though I had issues with SR I thought Routh was a good Superman. I guess I really have no place on a blog like that.

[Serene]

http://theinfamousemijayne.blogspot.com/

Go there and revel in the disgusting homophobia in the comments section. I didn't like Superman Returns either, but for the love of God, there are some sick individuals in there.

It's also become the new place for those who are kind of obsessive about spreading their personal agendas for SV. It's funny how I see the same posters ranting about the same things wherever they think they have an "in." It was the same in DeKnight's blog.

It's a personal blog. The right of people to post there is determined by the blog owner. If Jayne wants to set her blog to moderated only, she has the right to do so... and SHOULD, IMHO. That is of course, if she would like to maintain some civility and provide a pleasant environment for people to post their opinions. Now if Jayne likes what's being said on her site, so be it. I don't have to read or post there either. But right now, it's a free-for-all, with morons like "apologist puncher" cursing out other users with nasty insults, homophobic accusations, and heinous words. The nature of Blogger is that the owner can't "ban" somebody, but they can set the comments to be moderated, so morons can be weeded out. For those that don't like that, too bad. It's her blog; she should be able to do with it as she pleases. Look how bad it got over at IESB - and that's supposedly a "news" site.

Agreed. The atmosphere there is her responsibility. She's either not monitoring it that closely or she's fine with the status quo.

IESB has one of the crappiest message boards I've ever been to. It's just godawfully designed. Not sure why he doesn't use vbulletin. It also has lack of moderators. Latino Heat should have been banned ages ago.

I honestly don't understand why someone who seems as serious as he is about having a quality site allows such a horrible forum (both in format and content) to represent his site.

I really don't even know what to say about most of those comments.

Obviously I love Tom. But honestly even though I had issues with SR I thought Routh was a good Superman. I guess I really have no place on a blog like that.

That makes two of us. About the blog, I mean... not the Routh part. ;)

[Lemaris]

Most of them also seem certain there will be no season 8.

[Showtime]

It's a personal blog. The right of people to post there is determined by the blog owner. If Jayne wants to set her blog to moderated only, she has the right to do so... and SHOULD, IMHO. That is of course, if she would like to maintain some civility and provide a pleasant environment for people to post their opinions.

I think she should as well, but as you said, that is her call.

Now if Jayne likes what's being said on her site, so be it. I don't have to read or post there either. But right now, it's a free-for-all, with morons like "apologist puncher" cursing out other users with nasty insults, homophobic accusations, and heinous words.

I am not sure how she feels, but she hasn't done anything about it yet. That could be because she is hanging around down our way. You know how much there is to do around here Pat.

The nature of Blogger is that the owner can't "ban" somebody, but they can set the comments to be moderated, so morons can be weeded out. For those that don't like that, too bad. It's her blog; she should be able to do with it as she pleases. Look how bad it got over at IESB - and that's supposedly a "news" site.

I don't allow any comments on my blog good or bad, I read them and answer them individually then delete them. That being said, it doesn't have the traffic hers does.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'd assume most people just want to blog to make their voices heard and could care less about what the morons in the comments section have to say. I'd have to think that becoming the "moderator" of commentary isnt something they've signed up or wanted any part of. That's not why people blog. While what some of those morons say is particularly egregious, I'd have to think that in some ways she's happy that people care enough to comment on her blog in the 1st place no matter what they have to say....

[AgentPat]

WHOA! Serious JL NEWS!!!

The Sydney Morning Herald
Unhappy feet may flee Sydney
Garry Maddox, Film Writer
February 25, 2008

The Oscar-winning director of Happy Feet, George Miller, could be forced overseas with his $US200 million ($220 million) superhero movie Justice League Mortal because of a dispute over whether it is eligible for the Federal Government's new incentive for film production.

The acclaimed director of the Mad Max trilogy and producer of Babe is angrily battling to keep the huge production and a planned sequel to Happy Feet in Sydney.

The industry is split over whether the incentive - a 40 per cent rebate for Australian producers - should apply to big-budget movies. Some producers, suspicious about Hollywood studios abusing the scheme and wary of a cost blow-out, want it limited to films costing up to $30 million.

Miller said limiting the scheme would keep the film industry moribund.

"Any form of capping basically means the Australian film industry is going to be restricted to what it's been for almost two decades - a cottage industry making films that very sadly Australian audiences seem reluctant to see, with some wonderful exceptions, let alone films that get any exposure overseas," he said.

Justice League was due to be shot at Fox Studios this year until Warner Bros suspended production last month, citing uncertainty over the new incentives. Based on a comic book, it is due to star the Australians Megan Gale, Teresa Palmer and Hugh Keays-Byrne among eight lead roles and employ a huge crew that includes visual effects specialists.

"One of the reasons for doing Justice League in this country is the opportunity to bring back all the people we lost on Happy Feet who went overseas," Miller said. "We spent four years developing this talent and the cream of them left because they didn't have another film to go on to ...

"The idea is to say come back, start off on Justice League then move onto Happy Feet 2."

Miller described the movie's status as "precarious" and said Warner Bros was pushing for it to be shot overseas, with Canada the most likely option.

The executive director of the Screen Producers Association of Australia, Geoff Brown, said capping the rebate was one of several proposals being debated.

"We want to be seen as an industry that's responsible and we don't want to be caught up in some sort of close-down of the scheme because of perceived excesses," he said.

It is known that some producers believe Justice League is not Australian enough to qualify for the scheme and should be made under the 15 per cent rebate for foreign films.

But Miller said the movie - and others - would not get made under the lower rebate given the difficulty of attracting Hollywood backing now the dollar was above US90 cents compared with less than US60 cents when Happy Feet was financed.

"The rebate is not a windfall, it is not welfare, it's not a hand-out," he said. "It's trying to seduce investment into the country which has a multiplier effect through the economy over two to three years... taxed at every level. And only at the end of that is there a rebate."

Applications for the producer rebate are being assessed by the Film Finance Corporation. Its chief executive, Brian Rosen, is angry about the proposed cap.

"There's an opportunity here with the offset to be more adventurous with filmmaking and more ambitious in storytelling," he said. "And all anybody wants to say is let's stop... George Miller from getting it so we can make small films that appeal to about 100,000 people and no-one else, about lesbians, drugs and whatever else."

Mr Rosen said small Australian films would still be financed under the new agency Screen Australia. "Several Australian producers who couldn't make a decent film if their life depended on it want to make sure that those people that do have talent cannot make the films they want to make."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/unhappy-feet-may-flee-sydney/2008/02/24/1203788145230.html

"$200M" budget? Wow. :D
Justice League Mortal? Okaaaaay :O
Hugh Keays-Byrne? Who??? :confused:
Possibly shooting in Canada? Hmm... Vancouver, I presume? LOL ;)

So much cool info in this article. :up:

[mellyM]

WHOA! Serious JL NEWS!!!



"$200M" budget? Wow. :D
Justice League Mortal? Okaaaaay :O
Hugh Keays-Byrne? Who??? :confused:
Possibly shooting in Canada? Hmm... Vancouver, I presume? LOL ;)

So much cool info in this article. :up:

Why exactly is this good news? And HUgh whoever was born in 1947 so I guess he's not Superman..

[Serene]

WHOA! Serious JL NEWS!!!



"$200M" budget? Wow. :D
Justice League Mortal? Okaaaaay :O
Hugh Keays-Byrne? Who??? :confused:
Possibly shooting in Canada? Hmm... Vancouver, I presume? LOL ;)

So much cool info in this article. :up:

Interesting stuff! Great find, Pat. It's funny how there's so much still going on about this behind-the-scenes.

I thought this was interesting: It is known that some producers believe Justice League is not Australian enough to qualify for the scheme and should be made under the 15 per cent rebate for foreign films.

Moving the production to Canada also requires employing a certain percentage of Canadian actors/production people. I'm not sure what the actual number is though. I wonder if that would mean possible recasting of the people who may have been cast because they were Australian and fit the bill, but who otherwise might not have been?

Justice League Mortal? Hey, catchy title. *cough* ;)

[Prison Mike]

well I guess this means Tom's officially out of the running :)

http://www.bollywoodmantra.com/news/shahrukh-soon-to-fulfill-son-aryan-s-dream/

:lmao: Even Superman is getting outsourced!

[Prison Mike]

Speaking of Welling, here's an interview (miracle!) with the French magazine Star Club:



source: kreuk-central.net

I don't normally go around looking for actor's interviews online, but this is pretty rare from what I've heard. Welling giving an interview?! When was his last interview? For Cheaper by the Dozen 2? lol

[Prison Mike]

WHOA! Serious JL NEWS!!!



"$200M" budget? Wow. :D
Justice League Mortal? Okaaaaay :O
Hugh Keays-Byrne? Who??? :confused:
Possibly shooting in Canada? Hmm... Vancouver, I presume? LOL ;)

So much cool info in this article. :up:

that's all interesting. I'm intrigued by the Justice League Mortal title. all very interesting...

[Zorex]

"Justice League Mortal?" Wtf? hahaha. That article reminds me of the early fall, when crazy **** was being said about this movie on a weekly basis.

[avidreader]

Can someone give me a call when the release date for the JLA film is announced?
:whatever:

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[Mikelus]

Justice League Mortal? I guess that's the JL without Superman and Batman. :p :hehe:

[The Incredible Hulk]

now that its not in Oz maybe we can get rid of Gale too... And Justice League Mortal sounds lame as hell. Technically that could still include Batman....just sayin..

[Lighthouse]

Ugh, this is another one of those days that I ask myself why I keep following up on these movies. I know that we probably won't get any solid information for a very long time, I know that either way I'm gonna end up with a crappy JLA movie or a crappy MOS movie. I know that so many of these so called sources are full of BS. Yet I keep coming back. I need to start a more rewarding addiction, like heroin.

[KalKai]

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/223/smallvillecy8dv4.jpg

Tada! xD

[triplet]

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/223/smallvillecy8dv4.jpg

Tada! xD

He's gigantic compared to her.

You never got that impression in the episode.

You know, I wish they'd just let Tom be tall in the show. He's a big guy and Superman is a big guy... Why go to the trouble of putting girls on boxes? Why not let him be big?

:confused:

[KalKai]

He's gigantic compared to her.

You never got that impression in the episode.

Actually you do, maybe you don't look hard enough.

You know, I wish they'd just let Tom be tall in the show. He's a big guy and Superman is a big guy... Why go to the trouble of putting girls on boxes? Why not let him be big?

:confused:

Because of camera angles/shots & the such? Usually that only happens when the camera has to focus on both actors in 1 frame, you can't really have KK or AM facing his torso instead of his face lol, gotta make it easier for them.

Don't forget the heels & Tom's sandals.

[triplet]

Because of camera angles/shots & the such? Usually that only happens when the camera has to focus on both actors in 1 frame, you can't really have KK or AM facing his torso instead of his face lol, gotta make it easier for them.

Don't forget the heels & Tom's sandals.

I think that they've sometimes used his size for effect, there were a few episodes in season 6 where they didn't use the boxes and the girls ended up talking to his shoulder, but the cases where they did that the girl was in a more vulnerable position.

Personally, I think people can accept the girl being smaller than a guy and I don't think doing an over the shoulder shot is entirely necessary.

Her looking up at him and seeing part of his arm or shoulder would probably be fine most of the time. It would put him into the superior position, a leading position, within the compositioin.

The girl in the shot "looking up" at him would underscore his hero status, IMO.

[AgentPat]

More on Justice League...

The Australian
February 27, 2008

Shoot and we'll cough up
By Michael Bodey

IT is the most consequential decision the federal Government and Arts Minister Peter Garrett are likely to make: one that could establish a vibrant film industry but cost the parsimonious new Government hundreds of millions of dollars.

Almost a year after the Australian Screen Production Incentive was announced, the film and television industry is still arguing whether the package is a business or a cultural initiative. Most crucially, what kind of film will be eligible for the most generous incentive in global filmmaking: a 40 per cent refundable tax offset?

The ASPI was established to attract international investment, create a self-sustaining local industry and encourage internationally successful directors, actors and crew to return home. But no one anticipated the intense Hollywood interest in retooling studio projects to take advantage of the rebate by shooting in Australia.

Rumours of an American pillage are swirling. One bureaucrat was recently asked how a proposed Wild Hogs sequel could get the rebate. Two Hollywood studios contacted by The Australian were unwilling to discuss their plans, although one of them, Warner Bros, recently postponed Justice League Mortal, citing uncertainty about the incentive.

"I'm getting an enormous amount of calls and scripts, some Australian, some not," says Greg Coote, the Australian chairman and chief executive of Los Angeles-based Dune Entertainment. "And there's an enormous amount of confusion about what's eligible."

Caught in the middle is the director of Justice League and Happy Feet, George Miller. His comic-book adaptation about American superheroes is seen by some as a cynical play for the rebate. The project was generated in the US but will be financed by Australia's Roadshow Pictures.

"The legislation basically comes down to Australian creative and financial control, so I would say that as a minimum you need Australian directors and creative control," says Miller, who has threatened to take Justice League Mortal and Happy Feet2 offshore if they don't qualify for the rebate.

The threats have been seen by some as inflammatory and as placing pressure on the Government, but Miller says the legislation is not about local content. "Of course we all are looking for great Australian stories but we would have no film industry if that's all we had," he says. "For instance, The Lord of the Rings is not a New Zealand story and yet it basically transformed the New Zealand industry economically."

Says Coote: "I thought (the incentive) was a business decision, not a cultural decision. If it's business, it's really smart; if it's cultural, you need a test."

The desire for a cultural test has become central to the debate.

"The controversy that has arisen in respect of Justice League is not about the size of the film's budget but whether the project should receive the 15 per cent rebate for foreign films such as Superman Returns, or the 40 per cent rebate for Australian films," says Ian Robertson, managing partner of media lawyers Holding Redlich.

While Miller stands by his production company Kennedy Miller Mitchell's record of making films locally - only Lorenzo's Oil was made outside Australia - two other high-profile projects contrast with Miller's film. Baz Luhrmann's Australia will be the first recipient of the rebate, with the total liability to the Government expected to approach $60 million. No one doubts Australia's bona fides as local content. But Miller, the key Australian creative on Justice League, will not even get a writing credit, although he claims final creative control.

Hugh Jackman's production company, Seed, has applied only for the 15 per cent location offset and possibly the post-production, digital and visual effects offset for its X-Men Origins: Wolverine, which is being filmed in Sydney.

"Why would we waste our time applying (for the 40 per cent rebate)?" asks Wolverine producer John Palermo. "We know the criteria and we don't fit them."

The legislation allows discretion in determining Australian content. There are five criteria: subject matter (it doesn't specify whether an Australian subject is mandatory); where the film is made; the number of Australian creatives working on the film; where the main expenditure occurs; and a catch-all phrase that allows the Film Finance Corporation to look at any other aspects.

Whether a film is considered Australian will ultimately rest with the Federal Court, if FFC decisions are appealed. "I think a mistake has been made in not specifying a clear checklist for what qualifies as an Australian project for the purposes of the producer offset," says Robertson, a key advocate of the new package.

"This has created considerable uncertainty and, because of the high levels of risk involved, film producers and financiers don't like any uncertainty in film projects."

He proposes the legislation urgently be amended to provide a checklist of the type used for determining Australian content on TV or a points system similar to the one used by the British Film Council. The idea was raised when the legislation was drafted but nobody could agree on the specifics. Now the local industry is galvanised on the issue.

FFC chief executive Brian Rosen and Miller are against the idea. "I believe we've had 30years of a cultural test and I'm still looking to see the success of that," Rosen says.

The Screen Producers Association of Australia is unwilling to see taxpayers' money sent to Hollywood studios and fears local producers will be lost in the rush.

The Australian Writers Guild is cautiously optimistic, says its industry and policy manager Alastair McKinnon. "It is producer-focused, but putting the power in the hands of producers doesn't necessarily mean Australian creatives will be supported."

The SPAA also proposes a cap on the sum a film can receive, although this proposal is less likely to appeal to the Government, which probably wants to see the 40 per cent rebate in operation for two years before reassessing it. Besides, the industry's inability to support more than four big international films simultaneously would cap the scheme.

"Putting a cap on is driving us back into a cottage industry mentality," Rosen says.

The debate is unlikely to be resolved soon by the Government, which leaves judgment on "significant Australian content" to the FFC. "It's premature to have an inflated debate about the producer offset when no decision has yet been taken," says a spokeswoman for Garrett. "The clear intent of the 40 per cent producer offset is to support films where Australians have key creative responsibility and there is strong Australian involvement in all levels of production.

"Don't forget that large-budget projects (that) do not meet this test may be eligible (for) the 15 per cent location offset, which itself is a very competitive incentive."

Miller says that, contrary to industry rumour, Justice League Mortal would not be viable in Australia if it attracts only the 15per cent rebate. "I had to convince Warner Bros that we shoot the film here," he says. "This film is being made for only one reason and that's because of me. The main reason I wanted to do it here was to get the talent to stay here and (expand the visual effects) companies. The film was not going to be made at the 12.5per cent (location rebate level)."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23281169-15803,00.html



PS: Kai, that photo is AMAZING!!! :wow:

Thanks! *clicks* *saves* :heart:

[Showtime]

I just posted the same article in the JL forums. Interesting comments from Miller.

[JohnRico]

Miller is kidding himself if he thinks the WB would not fire him & get a yes man director if they really wanted to move this movie to Canada & just give Miller the finger. If the WB wants this movie done bad enough that is exactly what they will do

[musclesforsupes]

So with the news of JLA going to Canada maybe, and on IESB.net saying SR maybe filming in Canada, you think Welling has a shot at least at one of those movies.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Welling always has a shot. Its just a matter if he wants the role or not. We the fans may want to see him play the role of Superman but Tom Welling might just not want to play the role.

[StorminNorman]

Welling could (and should) want the role as much as he wants, its not going to make that much of a difference.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Why should he want the role. I mean he played that person for 7 years now soon to be 8 maybe he is just tired and wants to move on to something different or maybe after Smallville he might just want a quiet life with his wife and have some children. I mean the fans may want to see him as Superman, but does he really want that role? I mean I hope he does do JL but if he turns it down I can understand why as well.

[Showtime]

I think if he was offered the role, for the amount of money he would be offered, he would be on Kryptonite to turn it down.

[The Incredible Hulk]

He's gigantic compared to her.

You never got that impression in the episode.

You know, I wish they'd just let Tom be tall in the show. He's a big guy and Superman is a big guy... Why go to the trouble of putting girls on boxes? Why not let him be big?

:confused:


LOL she just doesnt look small, she looks like a child next to him...

[Cmill216]

Milian is 5'2''.

[SpideyVille007]

Isn't it weird how they're still no word on who's up for Supes?

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6852

Adam Brody, cast as the Flash, is the biggest star in the superhero lineup. Rapper Common nabbed the Green Lantern role; other roles went to lesser-known actors such as Armie Hammer Jr. (Batman) and Megan Gale (Wonder Woman).

[jayskate]

If Armie Hammer is playing Bats , then they will need someone just as tall for Supes ! bring on Tom ! :yay: .

[phil]

Why should he want the role. I mean he played that person for 7 years now soon to be 8 maybe he is just tired and wants to move on to something different or maybe after Smallville he might just want a quiet life with his wife and have some children. I mean the fans may want to see him as Superman, but does he really want that role? I mean I hope he does do JL but if he turns it down I can understand why as well.

Dude, will you stop your dam crying! You come in here and try to be a nice Apologist but you end up sounding like a freakin idiot!

If Welling did not want to be Superman then why in the hell did he go to the directors house and spend time with him instead of just saying thanks but no thanks through his reps?

Maybe you should stay in the apologists threads where you guys can cry together?

[Showtime]

Phil. Take it easy.

[Prison Mike]

phil sounds like he's crying.

[Showtime]

Phil is very...passionate.

[triplet]

Dude, will you stop your dam crying! You come in here and try to be a nice Apologist but you end up sounding like a freakin idiot!

If Welling did not want to be Superman then why in the hell did he go to the directors house and spend time with him instead of just saying thanks but no thanks through his reps?

Maybe you should stay in the apologists threads where you guys can cry together?


Ignore is a wonderful thing.






You know, just saying.....

:ninja:

[phil]

Ignore is a wonderful thing.






You know, just saying.....

:ninja:

Thank you triplet, I just get sick of it sometimes and can't control myself especially when it's been proven over and over that Welling did consider the part, I can't stand people treating other people like they were born yesterday and ignoring that over and over.

Anyway, I just hope they get a worthy Superman Welling or not.

[triplet]

Thank you triplet, I just get sick of it sometimes and can't control myself especially when it's been proven over and over that Welling did consider the part, I can't stand people treating other people like they were born yesterday and ignoring that over and over.

Anyway, I just hope they get a worthy Superman Welling or not.

Yeah, sorta hard to avoid the argument when Tom's name is mentioned in the same sentence as Justice League.

I hear ya, believe me, I do.

I think a lot of the problems lately on this forum aren't just bashing the show, or bashing Tom or bashing whatever, its the lack of respect for others.

That is something that is not cool. Its okay to disagree, but don't get personal about it.

[sunflowercyn]

Wow...I feel a bit behind again on JLA news. So it might not be filmed in Australia after all and the production could be moved to Canada. Well the last FF4 movie was filmed in Vancouver and the HULK filmed in both Vancouver and Toronto. The CDN dollar is trading stronger now but on the other hand the CDN gov't and provincial gov't offers $$$ incentives that seem to be in question now re: the Australian gov't.

Interesting stuff! Great find, Pat. It's funny how there's so much still going on about this behind-the-scenes.

I thought this was interesting: It is known that some producers believe Justice League is not Australian enough to qualify for the scheme and should be made under the 15 per cent rebate for foreign films.

Moving the production to Canada also requires employing a certain percentage of Canadian actors/production people. I'm not sure what the actual number is though. I wonder if that would mean possible recasting of the people who may have been cast because they were Australian and fit the bill, but who otherwise might not have been?

Justice League Mortal? Hey, catchy title. *cough* ;)

If they film in Canada, they would have to follow union contracts that have been negotiated so that would mean ex. IASTE (CDN crew) members working on set and directors and assistant directors would just have to register with the CDN guild like all the SV American directors due. As for actors, there is no requirement that a certain % have to be CDN. The only CDN content requirement is if the production wants to be registered as a CDN production and wants to the benefits of CANCON which the very mention of drives most Canadians crazy.

Speaking of Welling, here's an interview (miracle!) with the French magazine Star Club:



source: kreuk-central.net

Here is the "source" for the Tom Welling STAR CLUB article with scans and translations in posts #82 and #94

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1776553&postcount=65

[NHawk19]

This is another story confirming the restart of JL. Notice again no mention of who's playing \S/

http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/zap-justiceleaguerestarted,0,1200893.story

[JohnRico]

As much as fans want this movie to fail it simply wont. This is going to be a mindless action summer movie with people in tights so the kids & teens & non hero fans wont let this fail. The same audience that made Transformers & the Spider-Man movies a hit will make Justice League a hit

[phil]

As much as fans want this movie to fail it simply wont. This is going to be a mindless action summer movie with people in tights so the kids & teens & non hero fans wont let this fail. The same audience that made Transformers & the Spider-Man movies a hit will make Justice League a hit

God I hope it's like Transformers or the first two Spidy movies!!!! I guess you could call me a non hero fan or something because I think Superhero's are the most worthy characters for all action movies like this, call me crazy but i thought Superhero's were all about action:huh:

[Docker2.0]

I agree Phil! And the biggest difference between JLM and the previous mentioned.............JLM has corny written all over it. Ryan Reynolds who was DYING to play the Flash saw this script and vomitted on it. So did Biel and I'm sure Welling.................MIGHT have. :p I still believe they will throw the bank at him to get him in this part.

[Mostpowerful]

As much as fans want this movie to fail it simply wont. This is going to be a mindless action summer movie with people in tights so the kids & teens & non hero fans wont let this fail. The same audience that made Transformers & the Spider-Man movies a hit will make Justice League a hit

Yeah, that's why WB is making it, as a cash in.

It will probably be as forgettable as Transformers. No one will remember it or care about it in a couple of years, besides the fans.

[The War Machine]

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By MICHAEL CIEPLY
Published: March 1, 2008
LOS ANGELES — Do five or so of the greatest superheroes in the universe have the power to make a movie these days? Warner Brothers is struggling to find out.

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Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are among the biggest icons of DC Comics and are likely to be featured in the upcoming "Justice League" film.
In a Hollywood upended by labor strife — writers just ended one walkout, while actors are rumbling about another — the studio has been trying to begin production on a film based on the long-running DC Comics series “Justice League of America.”

The series unites Superman and Batman with Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern and other extraordinary beings. Thematically, it shares an impulse with “The Three Musketeers”: one for all, all for one, their combined attributes stronger than any one superhero’s.

But nothing has been easy in a season when the usual difficulties of a globe-spanning, effects-laden production with a budget that could approach $200 million have become tangled in uncertainty over pending negotiations with the Screen Actors Guild. Around the industry, executives are wrestling with versions of the same dilemma: Should they go forward with movie projects that might be disrupted by an actors’ strike if shooting does not end by the guild’s June 30 contract deadline? Or should they wait, with the risk that prospective films will fall victim to afterthoughts and lost momentum?

Some of the movies working their way through that bind are Sony Pictures’ sequel to “The Da Vinci Code,” called “Angels & Demons”; Paramount and DreamWorks’ “Transformers 2”; and 20th Century Fox’s “Tooth Fairy.” “Justice League,” if it happens, will give Warner a summer blockbuster either next year or the year after. It could spawn sequels, like the Marvel-based “X-Men” series, which has taken in $1.2 billion at the global box office for 20th Century Fox. Just as important, the film could extend the appeal of Warner Brothers’ two caped mainstays, Superman and Batman, to lesser-known heroes (and inexpensive actors) who might then be featured in blockbusters of their own.

But Warner Brothers’ dreams of a widening stream of profits will come true only if the new film does nothing to detract from a continuing string of Batman movies, the next of which is “The Dark Knight,” set for release in July, or the Superman pictures, another of which is in the works for 2010.

In the past week the unlikely writers of “Justice League” — Kieran and Michele Mulroney, better known for Mr. Mulroney’s acting and his relationship to his brother Dermot Mulroney than for their uncredited work on “Mr. & Mrs. Smith” — were in Australia. They were consulting with the film’s director, George Miller, and revising a script that was being rushed to production when the writers’ strike hit in early November.

Warner Brothers executives declined to comment. And Mr. Miller, whose work has been as varied as “The Road Warrior” and “Babe: Pig in the City,” did not respond to requests for an interview. But several people involved with the film — who requested anonymity because of the studio’s policy of silence about a work in progress — said the revisions were part of a push to revive a project seen as crucial to broadening the studio’s rewards from its subsidiary DC Comics.

Six weeks ago, as the writers’ strike wore on, Warner Brothers, based in Burbank, Calif., halted the plans amid concerns that the screenplay did not quite meet the challenge of introducing a new series without undercutting the old ones. In effect, Batman and Superman would have to exist in two parallel movie universes without making the audience uneasy.

The studio allowed options to lapse on a cast of fresh, and relatively cheap, faces. Hired to step into superhero costumes were Armie Hammer, who has appeared on “Desperate Housewives,” as Batman; D. J. Cotrona, from the television series “Windfall,” as Superman; Adam Brody, of “The OC,” as Flash; the rapper Common as Green Lantern; and the fashion model Megan Gale as Wonder Woman.

Word that revered heroes would be played by relative unknowns raised howls on the Internet. Comic-book fans, a wary lot, “daydreamed about whether people from ‘The OC’ could fly,” in the words of one post on the movie site Joblo.com. Mr. Hammer, the great-grandson of the Occidental Petroleum Company chief executive Armand Hammer, was elsewhere referred to as “Frat-Man.”

But the ensemble had already bonded with Mr. Miller and one another on a trip to Australia, and the cast appears to be intact, even though the actors are no longer under contract.

“We’re having a long engagement, but sometimes a long engagement is worth the wait,” said Joan Hyler, who manages Mr. Hammer, speaking of her client’s standby status. As the writers’ strike ended a little over two weeks ago, some at Warner Brothers were still eager to get “Justice League” in production by mid-April, a start date that would almost certainly make the finished film available for the summer of 2009.

But studio executives now have a leery eye on the actors’ guild. The guild’s leaders will not conclude a survey of members’ concerns until the end of March, and have not yet scheduled negotiations that could provide a hint as to whether companies can expect a strike-free settlement along the lines of those with the writers’ and directors’ unions in the last few weeks. Guild leaders have been under pressure from some of the highest-paid actors, from the union’s longtime ally American Federation of Television and Radio Artists and from its own East Coast wing to get the talks going as quickly as possible.

So “Justice League,” while still moving forward, is not expected to start production this spring; a summer or fall shoot appears more likely, actors willing.

By then, the production may find itself leaving Sydney, where Mr. Miller made “Happy Feet.” According to a report this week in The Sydney Morning Herald, filmmakers and government officials have been embroiled in a debate as to whether the new film, with its enormous budget, would qualify for an incentive that provides a 40 percent rebate to Australian producers. If not, Warner — which has been discussing a financial alliance with Legendary Pictures, its partner on “The Dark Knight” and “Superman Returns” — may move the production to Canada or elsewhere.

The project’s title has also undergone some rethinking over time. According to some involved with the film, the word “America” may drop out, to make the film more palatable abroad, an ever more important consideration for the big studios.

If the movie is delayed, Warner Brothers will not be without heroics, of a sort, next year. Zack Snyder, who directed “300” for the studio, is finishing up his version of “Watchmen.” Set for release in March 2009, the film is based on Alan Moore’s revered graphic-novel series about flawed superheroes who become entangled in the difficulties of real life.

In Burbank, that story is a familiar one of late.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/01/movies/01justice.html

[TWistim]

^^^ Thanks for the info. Guess Miller is still doing the movie. I just don't like his selection of actors. As for the regular movie going public, they may not have any objections to D. J. Cotrona as Supes, but seriously what is Miller thinking!!! :csad:

[SpideyVille007]

The studio allowed options to lapse on a cast of fresh, and relatively cheap, faces.

They're thinking about trying to save money. Unfortunately this leads to a lack of star power that a movie like this needs.

[TheComicbookKid]

It wouldn't work for a Sup or Batman film since they've been on screen before, but you can sell a JL movie purely on the five heroes never before on screen together.IMO

[Billy Batson]

VERSION 1

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2181/smallville1024x768copyccz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

VERSION 2

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1407/smallville1024x768copycmo6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


ENJOY!,



Steve




:applaud Nice, another one for the collection.

[NHawk19]

They're thinking about trying to save money. Unfortunately this leads to a lack of star power that a movie like this needs.

I think it just needs quality . . .quality script & quality actors. I doubts about the acting quality.

[M.O.Steel]

while i like teh poster, i prefer if the S was there, or nothing at all. But definitely the outline of S

[M.O.Steel]

would you want welling in the JLA movie? Wouldn't you guys rather have an independent film that is completely separate from SR/Donner, JLA, or anything else, but an extension of smallville. Even call it metropolis. I think they should end it this season, and then wide-release a Metropolis movie in teh smallville-verse like serenity, and sex/city.

[MAN O STEEL]

:applaud Nice, another one for the collection.


thx BB, appreciate the kind words. Glad you like it :woot:



Steve

[B]

Got my Photoshop working again :up: :up: & Decided to finish this little manip I had started a while ago to celebrate :)

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee231/b_0_0_m/MetropolisPromoCOMPLETE.jpg

[MAN O STEEL]

MY VERSION

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2072/metropolispromocompletegl8.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

[Cmill216]

Hmm, not sure you needed to make Tom's eyes bluer. They're bright enough as is.

[Lighthouse]

I don't think Superman is an ocular albino.

[MAN O STEEL]

I don't think Superman is an ocular albino.


neither do I but the brighter eye's give off an otherworldly image of Superman that should be very evident & maybe bot so evident when Clark uses his glasses as Clark. Just different likes I guess

Hmm, not sure you needed to make Tom's eyes bluer. They're bright enough as is.


Tom's eye's are green actually so....:rolleyes:



Steve

[The Incredible Hulk]

I think Tom looks "other-worldy" enough without giving him the Dentyne Ice Breakers guy's eyes....




crap, that might give Smallville another product placement idea :(

[B]

Hmmm I like what you've done with the suit, I am actualy in the process of trying to make the "S" look more Superman returns like..

I dont like the eyes though, I think they should be a better looking blue however every time I look at that I think of the Underworld Movies vampires

http://filmjournal.net/colinp/files/2006/07/underworld-evolution1.jpg

[Lighthouse]

neither do I but the brighter eye's give off an otherworldly image of Superman that should be very evident & maybe bot so evident when Clark uses his glasses as Clark. Just different likes I guess



Tom's eye's are green actually so....:rolleyes:



Steve

I know where you are coming from, I read Birthright. I just don't think his eyes are that bright. It should be something you only notice when you stare into his eyes. Christopher Reeve almost did that naturally. In the Fortress of Solitude scenes with Lois, his eyes aren't bright, but they are almost radiating blue.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Lighthouse27/Reeve.jpg

[SamuraiSon6]

^^wow, that C Reeves pic above really looks like an older Tom, thats pretty amazing!

the structure of Tom's nose is different, but that is a pretty dang close resemblance...

[MAN O STEEL]

Here's my version with a more touched up Lois. B O O M asked me to do it in the Bluetights forum so thought I'd post here also.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2255/metropolispromocompleteyq5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

[MAN O STEEL]

Last version with Tom's Original eye color & brightness.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9874/metropolispromocompletelh8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9874/metropolispromocompletelh8.a764aba2b8.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=527&i=metropolispromocompletelh8.jpg)

[B]

[quote=MAN O STEEL;14251017]Last version with Tom's Original eye color & brightness.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9874/metropolispromocompletelh8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9874/metropolispromocompletelh8.a764aba2b8.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=527&i=metropolispromocompletelh8.jpg)

Welling looks much better in that 1 :up::supes:

Lois still looks kinda odd I think I'll try redoing her face and blending into her forehead so the hairline looks more normal :)

[The Incredible Hulk]

one thing to keep in mind, is that the more his eyes stand out, the harder its going to be to disquise himself. Tom's natural eyes are light enough but they dont draw attention to them. If Superman looks like a husky, its going to be awful hard for Clark to hide them, unless we incorporate color contacts into the mythos LOL

[phil]

Hulk, I would like it if Superman's eyes were toned down by Jorel with some type of technology or they just have that ability to change their eyes or something like that. I think Kryptonians should have unique eyes like Christy Allie. Like when you rarely see someone is public with amazing blue eyes and you notice it right away and can't stop looking at them. So when he's Clark Kent his eyes are toned down but when he's Superman he let's out his true Kryptonian eye color? Maybe I'm reaching here but to have different hair, glasses and eye color would help make something far fetched more believable.

[phil]

I'm still very, very, very curious as to what Gough meant about Superman will be the disguise not Clark.

[Orin]

Wow, Welling looks just awesome as Superman. Great manips, guys. Would really like to see a Superman movie with the Smallville cast someday, but i think unfortunately it's never going to happen. I mean, if you like it or not, you've got to admit that SV got a HUGE worldwide fanbase out there and is properbly more popular with kids today than any other current Superman version (be it comics or movies). So getting Welling to finally take on the suit on big screen would not only bringt the Superman fans, who watch every Superman movie anyway, in, but also the whole Smallville fanbase, from which a big part aren't even Superman followers. Besides that, it would be possible to promote Welling finally suiting up BIG TIME. I mean, even people who don't watch Smallville on a regulary base know that the show is around for years now. So from my point of few, it would be a very clever move to get Tom for the Superman movie franchise. To bad he won't be in Justice League, which would've been a great way to set that up...

[zerohour films]

I'm still very, very, very curious as to what Gough meant about Superman will be the disguise not Clark.


What interview was that in? Do you have a link I could check out, would like to give it a read.

[The War Machine]

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee231/b_0_0_m/MetropolisPromoCOMPLETE.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9874/metropolispromocompletelh8.jpg


What did you do to his face in the second manip :huh:

Looks like you gave him a jaw implant or something.

[SpideyVille007]

This was just posted over at the Superman movies thread

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4497&Itemid=99

Looks like Bryan Singer is back at the helm of the next Superman sequel, meaning no reboot and no Welling :cmad: :csad:

[LL2K2]

This was just posted over at the Superman movies thread

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4497&Itemid=99

Looks like Bryan Singer is back at the helm of the next Superman sequel, meaning no reboot and no Welling :cmad: :csad:

Is it just me, or do I smell a bit of c r o w?

[The War Machine]

Whats crow?

Superman: Man of Steel Ftw =)

I think we'll get something great between the Transformers/Star Trek writers' action and the maturity from Bryan's directing.

[SpideyVille007]

Whats crow?

Superman: Man of Steel Ftw =)

I think we'll get something great between the Transformers/Star Trek writers' action and the maturity from Bryan's directing.

:cmad:

The Singerman Lovers are meeting that way *points to Superman Returns thread*



:p

[The War Machine]

Whats crow?

;)

[mellyM]

Is it just me, or do I smell a bit of c r o w?

Warners is pretty dumb then, shame really.

[triplet]

Warners is pretty dumb then, shame really.

You surprised?

I think this proves the truth of my sig, again.

:rolleyes:

Warner Brothers is Run by Idiots!

[SpideyVille007]

You surprised?

I think this proves the truth of my sig, again.

:rolleyes:

Warner Brothers is Run by Idiots!

:bow:

[triplet]

:bow:

LOL!

:D

I'm just going to keep glaring at them angrily until they figure how to make a good superhero film that doesn't have Nolan at the helm.

[SpideyVille007]

LOL!

:D

I'm just going to keep glaring at them angrily until they figure how to make a good superhero film that doesn't have Nolan at the helm.

Be prepared though, you might be there for a while :csad:

[The Joker_1000]

Whats crow?

Superman: Man of Steel Ftw =)

I think we'll get something great between the Transformers/Star Trek writers' action and the maturity from Bryan's directing.


No, we won't, which is why they need to get rid of Singer. Sure, SR was a pretty good movie but we still need a new director.

[Ultimate_Superman]

So with Routh coming back as Superman for the solo movies Welling's only chance is Justice League? Then I am hoping Justice League happens. I mean I loved Superman Returns and thought it was probably the best Superman movie to date but at the same time I want to see Welling as Superman as well. To me it would be perfect to have Routh for the solo movies and Welling for the team up movies although I don't see that happening it would be nice.

[The War Machine]

No, we won't, which is why they need to get rid of Singer. Sure, SR was a pretty good movie but we still need a new director.

I don't think so. They just needed new writers like Orci/Kurtzman to balance out action/scifi with Bryan's realism style.

It would be difficult to find a Hollywood director that can handle Supes. WB tried for 14 years prior to Bryan.

[The War Machine]

So with Routh coming back as Superman for the solo movies Welling's only chance is Justice League? Then I am hoping Justice League happens. I mean I loved Superman Returns and thought it was probably the best Superman movie to date but at the same time I want to see Welling as Superman as well. To me it would be perfect to have Routh for the solo movies and Welling for the team up movies although I don't see that happening it would be nice.

I wouldnt have an issue with Welling himself, but I wouldnt really want the JL film to be tied to Smallville or to be a continuation of it.

And it would be convoluted to have Welling play two different versions of the same character..

The studio probably made the best move here keeping them seperate, though an even smarter move would have been having the solo films lead into JL (like Marvel's Avengers).

[Prison Mike]

I just hope they give Routh more than one line. Bosworth and Spacey talked the most throughout the film, but it's supposed to be about Clark Kent/Superman and he hardly talked! They should try to show off Routh's acting chops (if he's got any) and give him a chance. I have no problem with Routh, it's just the writing and story that was boring.

[The War Machine]

Yeah the script was pretty much intact though from before Brandon was cast and the script didnt have alot of dialogue for Superman.

Hopefully that changes, but it will be cool to see Superman in some multi-million dollar fight sequences; that will be a first for Superman actually.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Warner Brothers is Run by Idiots!
I agree. They greenlit 8 seasons of Smallville...

[Serene]

Is it just me, or do I smell a bit of c r o w?

No, actually that's a vulture you are smelling. Nasty creatures.

[triplet]

I agree. They greenlit 8 seasons of Smallville...

Is there a reason you're coming over here then?

:mad:

[Ultimate_Superman]

I for one am glad they green lit season 8 it will give us fans a proper closing to the show and answer a lot of questions IMO. Mainly how the hell will Lois, Lex, Jimmy, and the whole town of SV not know Clark is Superman after running around with out his glasses for so long and being put in the paper for saving all these people. I can understand how Perry won't know mainly because he only met him once and for a brief period of time that I think he would like to forget.

[Mikelus]

I just hope they give Routh more than one line. Bosworth and Spacey talked the most throughout the film, but it's supposed to be about Clark Kent/Superman and he hardly talked! They should try to show off Routh's acting chops (if he's got any) and give him a chance. I have no problem with Routh, it's just the writing and story that was boring.

Routh did a horrible acting job, he delivered all the lines the same, without emotion, totally wooden, no wonder Singer didn't trust his acting skills. That's why I prefer Tom, he's a better actor and his physique is closer to Superman.

[Mostpowerful]

I agree. They greenlit 8 seasons of Smallville...

:up: Exaaaaactly.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Lets keep this on topic guys this a thread about Tom Welling as Superman. All talk of other projects need to go to the other forum. Be it a good or bad reaction.

[TheComicbookKid]

Is there a reason you're coming over here then?

:mad:

He might have been joking. The WB is cautious and for good reason.

Considering that the Adam West Batman, Superfriends, Batman and Robin and Carter WW are still the image of this characters despite them evolving beyond those characters, could be seen as careful decision making.

For whatever reason, Marvel's mistakes aren't known outside of the geek community. Punisher 90s, Captain America, Spiderman 70s live action.

[triplet]

He might have been joking. The WB is cautious and for good reason.

Considering that the Adam West Batman, Superfriends, Batman and Robin and Carter WW are still the image of this characters despite them evolving beyond those characters, could be seen as careful decision making.

For whatever reason, Marvel's mistakes aren't known outside of the geek community. Punisher 90s, Captain America, Spiderman 70s live action.

I'm not sure signing back on with Singer is them being cautious or actually is them showing any judgement...

I know that Routh seems like a nice guy and he actually might be an okay actor if he isn't saddled with trying to deliver a version of Reeve's Superman, but Singer is bad news for this franchise.

IMO, he doesn't understand the character and doesn't properly respect Clark and Superman.

Okay, if it's not going to be Tom maybe Routh should be given another chance to prove that he can do more than try to imitate Reeve, but if Singer's really coming back he needs to also bring along new ideas.

The whole concept behind SR stunk so I'm hoping the fact that the hacks that wrote that script aren't coming back is a good sign. Maybe it's a step in the right direction even if Singer really is back.

[The War Machine]

Bryan definately knows Superman; he produced that Superman documentary with Spacey, "Look up in the Sky: The Amazing Story of Superman" dealing with even the contemporary comics and corperate Lex.

It's just a matter of how much of his own interpretation he wants to project onto the character. Directors are artists and all the projects prior to Singer were 1000x off-base to the conventional Superman.

That being said, I think he knows what the Superman fans want to see and will deliver.

The good news for Smallville is Bryan allowed Al/Miles alot of freedom with avoiding the WB studio restrictions according to Al; so hopefully that can continue with Bryan on board.

[mellyM]

Bryan definately knows Superman; he produced that Superman documentary with Spacey, "Look up in the Sky: The Amazing Story of Superman" dealing with even the contemporary comics and corperate Lex.

It's just a matter of how much of his own interpretation he wants to project onto the character. Directors are artists and all the projects prior to Singer were 1000x off-base to the conventional Superman.

That being said, I think he knows what the Superman fans want to see and will deliver.

The good news for Smallville is Bryan allowed Al/Miles alot of freedom with avoiding the WB studio restrictions according to Al; so hopefully that can continue with Bryan on board.

None of that was evident in the film, it was honestly the most vapid portrayal of Superman I have ever seen, and the plot was bordering on ridiculous. So I really don't see how he could possibly have the understanding of the character, or he just ignored it. I didnt really get it. But I think I'm past caring, its just one of those things that will never be as good as it should.

[SpideyVille007]

Bryan definately knows Superman; he produced that Superman documentary with Spacey, "Look up in the Sky: The Amazing Story of Superman" dealing with even the contemporary comics and corperate Lex.

It's just a matter of how much of his own interpretation he wants to project onto the character. Directors are artists and all the projects prior to Singer were 1000x off-base to the conventional Superman.

That being said, I think he knows what the Superman fans want to see and will deliver.

The good news for Smallville is Bryan allowed Al/Miles alot of freedom with avoiding the WB studio restrictions according to Al; so hopefully that can continue with Bryan on board.

This is pretty much what drew people away from the first one

[TheComicbookKid]

I'm not sure signing back on with Singer is them being cautious or actually is them showing any judgement...

I know that Routh seems like a nice guy and he actually might be an okay actor if he isn't saddled with trying to deliver a version of Reeve's Superman, but Singer is bad news for this franchise.

IMO, he doesn't understand the character and doesn't properly respect Clark and Superman.

Okay, if it's not going to be Tom maybe Routh should be given another chance to prove that he can do more than try to imitate Reeve, but if Singer's really coming back he needs to also bring along new ideas.

The whole concept behind SR stunk so I'm hoping the fact that the hacks that wrote that script aren't coming back is a good sign. Maybe it's a step in the right direction even if Singer really is back.


I've finally gave up on believing Welling fans and Routh fans would unite under there respect for two actors doing great at delivering an interpretation of an interpretation.

Singer gets Superman, just not the aspect of the character that everyone enjoys. IMO, Gough and Millar have something to answer for in their respect for Superman's mythos as well.

On a side, like I said, they are doing interpretations of interpretations. Welling's Superman would never leave for 5 years and Routh's Superman would have listened to Jor-el from the start and never have started half the messes:woot:

[The War Machine]

Singer gets Superman, just not the aspect of the character that everyone enjoys. IMO, Gough and Millar have something to answer for in their respect for Superman's mythos as well.

;) Understatement


On a side, like I said, they are doing interpretations of interpretations. Welling's Superman would never leave for 5 years and Routh's Superman would have listened to Jor-el from the start and never have started half the messes:woot:.

Yeah I thought that was neat. Brandon's Superman embraces his Kryptonian heritage and loses touch with his humanity.

Welling's Clark fears his heritage and wants to be human.

Yet in the end, Brandon's Superman reconnected with humanity and his true family and (he assume) Welling's Clark will go off to the fortress for several years and embrace his heritage when Smallville ends.

Interesting though..

[Mikelus]

SR fanboys in this topic.... :whatever:

What are they doing in a Smallville forum? I guess their insecurity about Routh makes them go to every forum/thread about the Superman character just to defend him, maybe they got too much free time available. :o

[TheComicbookKid]

You're right. No more Routh/SR/Singer talk.

So how will Welling finally get around to building the fundamentals.

1. They have to get him back into school.
2. Start the damn training. He doesn't have to be in the fortress for 10 years. He has superspeed. After school training.
3. Get his own interest in reporting. No more damn winks to the camera and giggling.

[The War Machine]

SR fanboys in this topic.... :whatever:

What are they doing in a Smallville forum? I guess their insecurity about Routh makes them go to every forum/thread about the Superman character just to defend him, maybe they got too much free time available. :o

;)

Someone sounds a bit defeated, c'mon, don't be a sore loser.

I wasnt even talking about Brandon Routh, just the Superman character as he was written and I didnt even start the discussion on SR II here.

So why say I can't I discuss if I enjoyed the film?

I like Smallville for what it is.

Its foolish to assume that I can't like both..

[SpideyVille007]

You're right. No more Routh/SR/Singer talk.

So how will Welling finally get around to building the fundamentals.

1. They have to get him back into school.
2. Start the damn training. He doesn't have to be in the fortress for 10 years. He has superspeed. After school training.
3. Get his own interest in reporting.

I have never really thought about this. How can he get a job with no college degree. But then again this is Smallville, Chloe will probably fake a resume or Perry White will hire him in the future as a favor or something.


And Clark has already shown an interest in journalism, only not in the past 3 seasons. But he has been doing some investigating.

[The War Machine]

So how will Welling finally get around to building the fundamentals.

1. They have to get him back into school.
2. Start the damn training. He doesn't have to be in the fortress for 10 years. He has superspeed. After school training.


I think G/M want him to stay in the Fortress training on a permenant basis for those 10 years like the Donner film (hence why leaving is such a big deal; otherwise it would just be like going to an afterschool club).

There's really no point for him to go back to school for a year if he's leaving at the end of Season 8 to go to train.

[The War Machine]

Heres a followup to the prior IESB news:

Originally Posted by Empire
Singer Talks Superman Returns Sequel (http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=22165)
Exclusive: Director confirms development (http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=22165)

Earlier today, IESB (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4497&Itemid=99) reported that rumours were flying that Bryan Singer was working on a sequel to Superman Returns. Well, we've spoken to Singer and he's confirmed that work's under way on the film that some said would never happen because the first was perceived as a flop.

"That movie made $400 million!" Singer says incredulously. "I don’t know what constitutes under-performing these days...Look, I can understand, I suppose, what some people mean. Perhaps some people went in with the expectation of it being like an X-Men film, and Superman is a tougher character than that. Especially bringing him back. It really goes back to the fact that you can only please some of the people some of the time. But, yes, I’m just getting back with writers after the strike. We’re just in the development phase. I’m starting to develop a sequel...with the intention of directing it."

Singer knows that there was some negative reaction to the fact that the first film focused more on story at the expense of action and is looking to redress that next time.

“The first one was a romantic film and a nostalgic film,” he says. “I’ll be the first person to own up to that without making any apologies for it. I knew it was going to be that from the outset. And now that the characters are established, there’s really an opportunity to up the threat levels...Clearly there’ll be a body count [laughs]. From frame one, it will be unrelenting terror! All those teenage girls who found the movie and mooned over James Marsden or Brandon? Well, I’m going to wake them up!” He may be joking about the unrelenting terror.

We have to say, we actually enjoyed a huge amount about Superman Returns. Brandon Routh made a terrific Superman and Clark Kent and Singer clearly cared about the characters. It was light on action, so it would be great to see a sequel in which we get to actually experience what Supes can really do.

[TheComicbookKid]

I think G/M want him to stay in the Fortress training on a permenant basis for those 10 years like the Donner film (hence why leaving is such a big deal; otherwise it would just be like going to an afterschool club).

There's really no point for him to go back to school for a year if he's leaving at the end of Season 8 to go to train.

That worked for Donner's Superman since he'd only tested his powers on a football.

Welling's Superman has had seven years to focus his powers. Now it's about studying the crystals and tweaking the flight.

Donner's Superman-4 year college degree in FOS
Welling's Superman- 2 year community college degree in FOS.

[The War Machine]

I was just telling you how it is. Al/Miles have said in interviews that he's going to go off for several years to the Fortress to train.

I think its more than just training powers; theres knowledge about the universe to be learned and whatnot.

His big departure from Smallville to go off and train wouldnt mean much if he comes home every night.

I dont think he'll need a college education for the Daily Planet. Lois was a nobody and a college dropout in Smallville but she still got hired.

[Mikelus]

The War Machine, I was talking about the others, not you. ;)
Glad to see you can enjoy the show. Smallville has many flaws, I understand if people don't like it, to each its own. By the way, fanboy losers can't tolerate any criticism, so they come here and do their trolling act. :o

Regarding Singer and the sequel, I can give them a second chance, but if Routh keeps the wooden acting, Lois, Jason and Richard issues are not resolved, and details like the horrible suit, Lex's stupid schemes and minions are not improved.... we'll see what happens, time will tell.

[TheComicbookKid]

I was just telling you how it is. Al/Miles have said in interviews that he's going to go off for several years to the Fortress to train.

I think its more than just training powers; theres knowledge about the universe to be learned and whatnot.

His big departure from Smallville to go off and train wouldnt mean much if he comes home every night.

I dont think he'll need a college education for the Daily Planet. Lois was a nobody and a college dropout in Smallville but she still got hired.


Well that sucks. The college diploma thing was one of the things I absolutely hated about Donner's Superman. And I was like six when I saw it.

Crappy writing for Lois doesn't mean they have to continue it with Clark.

[TheLongestDay]

The War Machine, I was talking about the others, not you. ;)
Glad to see you can enjoy the show. Smallville has many flaws, I understand if people don't like it, to each its own. By the way, fanboy losers can't tolerate any criticism, so they come here and do their trolling act. :o

Regarding Singer and the sequel, I can give them a second chance, but if Routh keeps the wooden acting, Lois, Jason and Richard issues are not resolved, and details like the horrible suit, Lex's stupid schemes and minions are not improved.... we'll see what happens, time will tell.

Couldnt agree more,i was personally hoping for a reboot with Welling,but if this is what we are getting then let it finally be a movie worthy of the name SUPERMAN.

Personally I didnt care much for the 1st x-men film but thought x2 was a vast improvement-lets hope Singer can do the same with MOS.

[Ultimate_Superman]

My question to this is where does that leave Welling in terms of becoming Superman on TV or even in JLA. I pretty much gave up on Welling being Superman on JLA but with Superman: Man of Steel moving forward and a new Superman in JL. I don't think we'll get to see Welling in the suit because when season 8 ends either JL or MOS will be ready to come out. That being said even a shirt rip will be to risky.

[Prison Mike]

I think MOS might be eyeing a summer 2009 release, which would be the same time Smallville ends for good.

[TheLongestDay]

Well if JLA has a different Batman running alongside the current Nolan Bat franchise maybe Welling could be supes in Jla as it runs alongside Singers Superman.

...its still a chance no matter how slim

personally I dont think we will ever see Welling in the suit :(

[SpideyVille007]

I think MOS might be eyeing a summer 2009 release, which would be the same time Smallville ends for good.

Nah it'll probably come out 2010 or later. 2009 is too soon and last I heard they didn't have a script or a full cast ready. Besides, even if they did, there's a ton of special effects that'll need to be done for a Superman movie. They could come out with one, but it'll feel so rushed and that lessens the chances of it being a good film.

[The Joker_1000]

I don't think so. They just needed new writers like Orci/Kurtzman to balance out action/scifi with Bryan's realism style.

It would be difficult to find a Hollywood director that can handle Supes. WB tried for 14 years prior to Bryan.


I think that the WB needs to find some great directors & see how they would continue from where SR left of & if it's a good story then they could replace Bryan Singer. If Bryan does stay, he'll need to step his game up & make a good...no, great Superman movie.

[The War Machine]

Thats basically what he said he is planning to do.

[TheLongestDay]

We all know there is only one man for the job...MICHAEL BAY DAMMIT!!!

[Ultimate_Superman]

We all know there is only one man for the job...MICHAEL BAY DAMMIT!!!He commands things to be Awesome!

[The War Machine]

FI5wOGYwrcs

:applaud

[TheLongestDay]

FI5wOGYwrcs

:applaud

lol:woot:

[phil]

I have never really thought about this. How can he get a job with no college degree. But then again this is Smallville, Chloe will probably fake a resume or Perry White will hire him in the future as a favor or something.


And Clark has already shown an interest in journalism, only not in the past 3 seasons. But he has been doing some investigating.

He helped out Perry White and Perry told him if he's ever in Metropolis to look him up just after he critiqued his writing.

[Olea]

There is talk of petitions asking the WB to hire Tom Welling for the part of Superman for Justice League and/or Man of Steel. I managed to find one which seems to have been created only recently.

I don't know if it will make any difference but I guess unless we try, we won't know. It worked for "Jericho", let's hope it might work for us too.

So for any and all fans visiting here and would like to participate, please sign and share the link with as many as you can!!!


http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html



PS. If there is any other such petition, please post it here too, I would sign all of them, if it means finally getting TW to suit up!!!

[TheLongestDay]

There is talk of petitions asking the WB to hire Tom Welling for the part of Superman for Justice League and/or Man of Steel. I managed to find one which seems to have been created only recently.

I don't know if it will make any difference but I guess unless we try, we won't know. It worked for "Jericho", let's hope it might work for us too.

So for any and all fans visiting here and would like to participate, please sign and share the link with as many as you can!!!


http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html



PS. If there is any other such petition, please post it here too, I would sign all of them, if it means finally getting TW to suit up!!!

signed!

[Olea]

I googled the whole Tom Welling Petition thing and apparently there was one way back in 2004 - targetting the SR casting probably - that managed to get over 6000 signatures. Unfortunately, it is currently dead but if the fans are determined, they could reclaim that support.

[phil]

signed! I'm glad they used mike's image, I wonder if he knows?

[Olea]

signed! I'm glad they used mike's image, I wonder if he knows?
Uhm, I have no idea but it's a great image and I hope the petition manages to get over the previous total of signatures.....

[phil]

The new news was false, LOL
Where's AgentPat been? It's boring without her throwing down some facts from her collection of files to make people look silly.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Is it just me, or do I smell a bit of c r o w?


yes, namely for IESB, once again, and all the desperate nitwits who jumped on their latest suspect story so they could try to gloat about it.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35964

would you like a napkin?

[triplet]

Singer is very possibly posturing.

I could see him very well not wanting to admit he's out, even if he is, until it's official. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out later that he really is out, then my faith in the WB PTB might be somewhat restored.

However, I think emi's site is worth a look for people who want to see a change, both for MOS and the JLA:

www.savesuperman.com

They're going to be getting together support for people who disagree with the way things are going.

Just FYI.

Anyway, it's interesting what's been going on and it's upped my interest level a bit. However, I hope the rumors of singer coming back onboard are just that: rumors.

I really don't see how a man who thought a mopey, stalking, voyeuristic, date-raping Superman was a good thing actually can be considered as "knowing" a lot about Superman.

Singer doesn't get it.

As different as Smallville may be from the comics, I think Al & Miles get Clark a lot better than Singer ever hoped to.

[KalKai]

yes, namely for IESB, once again, and all the desperate nitwits who jumped on their latest suspect story so they could try to gloat about it.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35964

would you like a napkin?

lol figured as much.

[M.O.Steel]

wouldn't you guys rather have his own independent movie instead of messing with these other projects. I would rather see a nice movie that is a nice closure to the series, something like serenity and firefly. i mean, why even be involved with these projects?

[Olea]

Singer is very possibly posturing.

I could see him very well not wanting to admit he's out, even if he is, until it's official. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out later that he really is out, then my faith in the WB PTB might be somewhat restored.

However, I think emi's site is worth a look for people who want to see a change, both for MOS and the JLA:

www.savesuperman.com (http://www.savesuperman.com)

They're going to be getting together support for people who disagree with the way things are going.

Just FYI.

Anyway, it's interesting what's been going on and it's upped my interest level a bit. However, I hope the rumors of singer coming back onboard are just that: rumors.

I really don't see how a man who thought a mopey, stalking, voyeuristic, date-raping Superman was a good thing actually can be considered as "knowing" a lot about Superman.

Singer doesn't get it.

As different as Smallville may be from the comics, I think Al & Miles get Clark a lot better than Singer ever hoped to.
I agree with you Cindy and I have spoken to Emi. Her site will be about Superman but there will be links to the TW petition for the fans who believe that it is time for him to suit up.

So anyone interested in participating please sign the petition!!!!

[LL2K2]

yes, namely for IESB, once again, and all the desperate nitwits who jumped on their latest suspect story so they could try to gloat about it.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35964

would you like a napkin?

No thanks, you can keep it. I'm not interested in the writing part, just the fact that a sequel, NOT a reboot, is happening.

And besides, didn't Variety already reveal who was playing :supes: in JLA? DJ Cotrona?

[Olea]

And besides, didn't Variety already reveal who was playing :supes: in JLA? DJ Cotrona?
Nope, latest article, doesn't even mention his name or any runner ups for the part!!!

[Ultimate_Superman]

Singer is very possibly posturing.

I could see him very well not wanting to admit he's out, even if he is, until it's official. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out later that he really is out, then my faith in the WB PTB might be somewhat restored.

However, I think emi's site is worth a look for people who want to see a change, both for MOS and the JLA:

www.savesuperman.com (http://www.savesuperman.com)

They're going to be getting together support for people who disagree with the way things are going.

Just FYI.

Anyway, it's interesting what's been going on and it's upped my interest level a bit. However, I hope the rumors of singer coming back onboard are just that: rumors.

I really don't see how a man who thought a mopey, stalking, voyeuristic, date-raping Superman was a good thing actually can be considered as "knowing" a lot about Superman.

Singer doesn't get it.

As different as Smallville may be from the comics, I think Al & Miles get Clark a lot better than Singer ever hoped to.
To be fair Triplet most of that stuff comes from Donner not Singer and then you can't talk about stalking with out bringing up the first four seasons of SV where Clark was doing the same thing with Lana for years. I understand this may not be your idea for a Superman movie but SV is far from perfect as well. And you can make a long list of things they've messed up on in terms of dealing with Superman as well. But then you will have the very popular answer around here when talking about SV's Clark's faults "Well he is not Superman yet; he's just learning and seeing why he has to become Superman." And thats understandable but when you start comparing the two then that answer holds no weight anymore.

[The War Machine]

just the fact that a sequel, NOT a reboot, is happening.

Likewise.

Then again, IESB wasnt the first to report on Orci/Kurtzman, hence why theres been a thread about them possibly approached for a month now.

The choice of writers could make or break this thing for me; I hope whoever they got is someone good. This is a big, important project.

[Ultimate_Superman]

yes, namely for IESB, once again, and all the desperate nitwits who jumped on their latest suspect story so they could try to gloat about it.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35964

would you like a napkin?I like that Hulk because they were the same site that also reported that Routh was still on board for Superman and you were one of the first to question them. Simply put none of us know what is going on not even Singer IMO. The only people who anything are the people in the WB and if you want to go that way the main person pushing to scrap a sequel to SR is gone and with that it plays more in SR favor because the two people who wanted it are now in charge.

[The Incredible Hulk]

No thanks, you can keep it. I'm not interested in the writing part, just the fact that a sequel, NOT a reboot, is happening.

LOL Singer's been 'developing" a sequel for 18 some odd months now ever since he signed that development deal. Harris and Dougherty were "actively working on one" too when they were at the Saturn Awards. It's likely this is just more posturing on his part as opposed to some concrete sign that he's going to be allowed to violate Superman all over again.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I like that Hulk because they were the same site that also reported that Routh was still on board for Superman and you were one of the first to question them. .

I've never questioned anything on LR, which is what AICN is just regurgitating. I just didnt care enough to search for the LR link. I'll still contend that AICN is a bunch of monkeys who only tend to get real superhero movie news when it comes from somewhere else first. That being said, sort of ironic that you'd bring that up being that the original news came from IESB who all of the apologists like yourself fell all over themselves to discredit when they started breaking the JL news.

Simply put none of us know what is going on not even Singer IMO. The only people who anything are the people in the WB and if you want to go that way the main person pushing to scrap a sequel to SR is gone and with that it plays more in SR favor because the two people who wanted it are now in charge.

there was an entire camp of people pushing to scrap a Singerman sequel including Jeff Robinov.

[phil]

To be fair Triplet most of that stuff comes from Donner not Singer and then you can't talk about stalking with out bringing up the first four seasons of SV where Clark was doing the same thing with Lana for years. I understand this may not be your idea for a Superman movie but SV is far from perfect as well. And you can make a long list of things they've messed up on in terms of dealing with Superman as well. But then you will have the very popular answer around here when talking about SV's Clark's faults "Well he is not Superman yet; he's just learning and seeing why he has to become Superman." And thats understandable but when you start comparing the two then that answer holds no weight anymore.

Your reaching for straws abit much here huh? Clark on SV was in HIGHSCHOOL where TEENAGERS often do these thing when they are in love. SR was supposed to SUPERMAN, you know...a GROWN ADULT:whatever:

And please don't put them blame on Donner, LOL He made a movie 30 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You really need to think before you tell someone else their argument doesn't hold weight because you just made yourself look really, really silly.:whatever:

[Mikelus]

The problem with some SR fans from what I've seen in different forums, is that they seem to be emotional people for the most part, their arguments are based on emotions, not reason, and others are simply ignorant about what the Superman character really represents. Only these kind of people can love angsty, soap opera crap (Supes, Lois, Jason and Richard "Lifetime drama") with boring, wooden acting, specially from Routh and Bosworth. Spacey did a decent job despite the mediocre material he got to work with, but we know he's a wonderful actor.

Now the same emotional people get excited because Singer is apparently "working" on the sequel, when we don't have an official confirmation yet? SR emofans seem to forget Harris and Dougherty were "working" on the sequel a few months back, where are they now? (Out of it!)
Is common sense to wait for more reliable information or confirmation from WB, till then, all we have are rumors and the classic speculation crap.

[Docker2.0]

Showtime's on probation? :huh: I don't think I've ever seen a mod on probation before. Yeah...........random thought! LOL! Anyway, I think it's kind of odd that most of the names for the JLA movie have been put out except the one playing Superman. Let's hope the WB wise up and get either Routh but preferably Welling. :o

[Zorex]

The problem with some SR fans from what I've seen in different forums, is that they seem to be emotional people for the most part, their arguments are based on emotions, not reason, and others are simply ignorant about what the Superman character really represents. Only these kind of people can love angsty, soap opera crap (Supes, Lois, Jason and Richard "Lifetime drama") with boring, wooden acting, specially from Routh and Bosworth. Spacey did a decent job despite the mediocre material he got to work with, but we know he's a wonderful actor.

Now the same emotional people get excited because Singer is apparently "working" on the sequel, when we don't have an official confirmation yet? SR emofans seem to forget Harris and Dougherty were "working" on the sequel a few months back, where are they now? (Out of it!)
Is common sense to wait for more reliable information or confirmation from WB, till then, all we have are rumors and the classic speculation crap.
I'd really appreciate it if you wouldn't start criticising SR fans with your amateur psych profiling. What's wrong with having an opinion that differs from yours?

[triplet]

To be fair Triplet most of that stuff comes from Donner not Singer and then you can't talk about stalking with out bringing up the first four seasons of SV where Clark was doing the same thing with Lana for years. I understand this may not be your idea for a Superman movie but SV is far from perfect as well. And you can make a long list of things they've messed up on in terms of dealing with Superman as well. But then you will have the very popular answer around here when talking about SV's Clark's faults "Well he is not Superman yet; he's just learning and seeing why he has to become Superman." And thats understandable but when you start comparing the two then that answer holds no weight anymore.

He was a teen back when he was "spying" on Lana and he's never used his x-ray vision to spy on people, unlike in SR.

I do think that's different.

Also, I don't think that Donner is to blame for the morning after Super-roofie memory erasing kiss, wasn't that introduced in the film after Donner left filming the second one?

So you can't blame Donner for that and his Superman wasn't at all mopey and self-involved like Singer's version.

Someone made the point of Smallville's Clark wouldn't have left Earth to search for his destroyed home world.

But SR's Clark would have accepted Jor-el's training far sooner than Smallville's has done.

But, with Smallville you got future seasons to worry about. You can't have Clark accept his destiny until the show is nearly over, because once he does he's that much closer to becoming superman.

The whole point of Smallville is that its about the man becoming Superman, growing into the man who will make the decision to save people for a living.

No, the show isn't perfect, if you read my reviews you'd see that I don't think it is, but the very premise of SR was flawed. Clark would never leave Earth for such a long time on the off-chance that there were survivors or he could find his homeworld intact... By the point he's wearing the tights and saving people, he's taken on the responsibility of being the protector of others.

He wouldn't leave earth vulnerable like that, not after he's made it his job to protect the innocents of the world.

[M.O.Steel]

The problem with some SR fans from what I've seen in different forums, is that they seem to be emotional people for the most part, their arguments are based on emotions, not reason, and others are simply ignorant about what the Superman character really represents. Only these kind of people can love angsty, soap opera crap (Supes, Lois, Jason and Richard "Lifetime drama") with boring, wooden acting, specially from Routh and Bosworth. Spacey did a decent job despite the mediocre material he got to work with, but we know he's a wonderful actor.

Now the same emotional people get excited because Singer is apparently "working" on the sequel, when we don't have an official confirmation yet? SR emofans seem to forget Harris and Dougherty were "working" on the sequel a few months back, where are they now? (Out of it!)
Is common sense to wait for more reliable information or confirmation from WB, till then, all we have are rumors and the classic speculation crap.

and smallville fans aren't? gimme a break. everytime the word superman pops up, every wants him for that role, even though countless times he's said he's not interested. and if anything, I personally think he and the smallville deserve their own movie and gives justice to the show, and not get mixed up in this mess, SR or JLA.

The thing is, we are all passionate about a character we care about. we are all emotional.

[JackMercy]

everytime the word superman pops up, every(one) wants him for that role, even though countless times he's said he's not interested.


Ehh... Still not true...


;)

[M.O.Steel]

Ehh... Still not true...


;)

its not?

Based on all i've read/heard, he never wants to play "Superman" in full ensemble. if not, i still think they should go with their own independent film and not get mixed up in this nonsense.

[B]

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee231/b_0_0_m/ManorSuperman.jpg

Man Or Superman?

[triplet]

its not?

Based on all i've read/heard, he never wants to play "Superman" in full ensemble. if not, i still think they should go with their own independent film and not get mixed up in this nonsense.

No, it's not.

It's disengenous misinterpretation of something said once in an interview.

In terms of wearing the suit, he had been talking about Smallville.

It's not time for Clark to wear the suit during the show, he won't put it on until the end of the series, so Tom said something along the lines of it's not time or he's not ready yet...

That was real early in the show too. I think Clark is ready now, but they will drag it on for another season.

They have the golden opportunity, however, they know they got one more season. They can end it big and end it right and end it with Tom in the suit.

:up:

If he never pulls on the tights in a feature, that will be all we get of Tom in the suit so I have no doubt that they will do the moment justice.

[M.O.Steel]

No, it's not.

It's disengenous misinterpretation of something said once in an interview.

In terms of wearing the suit, he had been talking about Smallville.

It's not time for Clark to wear the suit during the show, he won't put it on until the end of the series, so Tom said something along the lines of it's not time or he's not ready yet...

That was real early in the show too. I think Clark is ready now, but they will drag it on for another season.

They have the golden opportunity, however, they know they got one more season. They can end it big and end it right and end it with Tom in the suit.

:up:

If he never pulls on the tights in a feature, that will be all we get of Tom in the suit so I have no doubt that they will do the moment justice.


sounds good to me. i think if anything, the series finale will be a two hour event. I just think they should write it in such a way that everyone (non-fans included) can enjoy.

[Kal-El 8]

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee231/b_0_0_m/ManorSuperman.jpg

Man Or Superman?

Nice poster of The Super Three :cwink:

[Ultimate_Superman]

No, it's not.

It's disengenous misinterpretation of something said once in an interview.

In terms of wearing the suit, he had been talking about Smallville.

It's not time for Clark to wear the suit during the show, he won't put it on until the end of the series, so Tom said something along the lines of it's not time or he's not ready yet...

That was real early in the show too. I think Clark is ready now, but they will drag it on for another season.

They have the golden opportunity, however, they know they got one more season. They can end it big and end it right and end it with Tom in the suit.

:up:

If he never pulls on the tights in a feature, that will be all we get of Tom in the suit so I have no doubt that they will do the moment justice.I agree with you but my thing is with two Superman's now do you really think they will put Tom Welling in the suit especially when they (WB) will probably attach the trailer for Superman: Man of Steel or Justice League: Mortal to it. I mean the main reason why I don't see them doing it just to make people understand that he will not be Superman in either of those movies. Now if he is Superman in Justice League I can see them letting him wear the suit but if he isn't then I don't see it.

[The War Machine]

Ultimate Superman,

All I know is ever since the movie, Al/Miles have been adamant about them not showing the suit; they've mentioned this about 10 times in recent interviews. Heres some:

Q: Before Brandon Routh was discovered, he used to get comments like, "Oh, you look like Superman." He even dressed up in a Superman costume for Halloween. Have you ever thought about Tom Welling donning the costume -- just to get an idea of "what if"?

Gough: No, it's actually in his contract that he won't wear the costume. (Laughter) I'm not sure what he does at home, but on the show, he's not wearing the costume. And again, not to conflict with the movies, [Warners Feature Film Division] doesn't want him in the costume, and we don't want him in the costume. [Smallville is] a different show altogether.


“As Clark moves closer to the Clark we know, we can introduce more elements from the greater DC universe,” Gough says. “We know what it’s going to take for him to become Superman, and you’ll see that, with a few twists.

“But you’ll never see him in the suit.

At one point, they even said they originally wanted to show the suit at the very end of the series, but now (due to the features) decided not to go that way.


"It would be the end of the show because that would be when Smallville would end and Superman would begin," Gough said "It's always been Clark Kent becoming the hero we all know him to become. It was never our intention to put him in the suit, as we always said, unless it was the last moment of the last episode of the series. Now, with the feature film out, we're steering clear of it.


So I wouldnt wager on Tom Welling as Superman.

[Mikelus]

I don't think Tom will be Superman unless WB decides to do a reboot. The Justice League option, well, if it is supposed to be out by 2009, Tom will be busy with the show till April 2009, so unless they start filming after Smallville is over, I think is just problematic in terms of schedule. Anyway, we don't have any reliable information to know if WB really wants him to be Superman or not, just wild rumors and speculation.

Regarding the issue of him wearing the suit, I don't see it, besides, which one? The one Christopher Reeve used on his movies or the one from SR? Knowing how complicated it seems to get permission for all this, we would be very lucky to get the chance of seeing Tom Welling wearing the Superman suit, but who knows, time will tell.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I don't think Tom will be Superman unless WB decides to do a reboot. The Justice League option, well, if it is supposed to be out by 2009, Tom will be busy with the show till April 2009, so unless they start filming after Smallville is over, I think is just problematic in terms of schedule. Anyway, we don't have any reliable information to know if WB really wants him to be Superman or not, just wild rumors and speculation.

Regarding the issue of him wearing the suit, I don't see it, besides, which one? The one Christopher Reeve used on his movies or the one from SR? Knowing how complicated it seems to get permission for all this, we would be very lucky to get the chance of seeing Tom Welling wearing the Superman suit, but who knows, time will tell.
I agree with everything you said here.


P.S. Mods please come and remove that picture.

[The War Machine]

How else are they going to end it? I think Al's lame attempts at humor shouldn't be taken all that seriously.

Going off to the Fortress? Who knows.

He's been pretty straight about it; said they would have ended it with the suit before but now they won't because of issues like the features division.

Seems like a legitimate reason; I dont see the logic of him making it into an attempt at humor.

[Ultimate_Superman]

How else are they going to end it? I think Al's lame attempts at humor shouldn't be taken all that seriously.Simple you could end it with:


Him in the fortress.
Him flying with Lana
Him getting off the bus and entering the Daily Planet for the first time.
Talking with Lois in the planet about Superman
A cry for help then show him take off the glass run off the screen and then and then seeing a red, blue, yellow blur fly across the screen.


I think he will wear the suit at the end, even if it's only a tease of a shirt rip.

It's clear they'll go more traditional, going by the version of the :super: symbol they've used.


The \S/ they used is almost identical to the Returns \S/. I have to agree with Mike though be it that there will be two Supermen at that time with a trailer for one of their movies more then likely attached to the finale of SV much like how SR was then I doubt that we will being him even doing that because its bad for business marketing wise and will hurt which ever movie is coming out.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Going off to the Fortress? Who knows.

He's been pretty straight about it; said they would have ended it with the suit before but now they won't because of issues like the features division.

Seems like a legitimate reason; I dont see the logic of him making it into an attempt at humor.

I dont think he's being trying to be humorous. Gough has many times said one thing about the show and done another. He likes to play his cards close to his vest. Even if he did in fact plan on putting Tom in the suit to end the show, I wouldnt expect him to reveal it that far in advance. I mean, we're talking about the penultimate moment and conclusion of an 8 year series, I dont think he's going to spill his plans for it.


The \S/ they used is almost identical to the Returns \S/.

No, it's actually pretty different, and by DC's regs it has to be. SOmeone has a great gif comparing all of the S's and outside of the S'd being straight on the bottom, they're noticeably different.

I have to agree with Mike though be it that there will be two Supermen at that time with a trailer for one of their movies more then likely attached to the finale of SV much like how SR was

there already are 2 Superman, everyone and their mother knows Smallville as "that young Superman show." If indeed Cotrona is Superman in JLA, provided Superman is still in the flick and that JLA will ever get made, you would then have 3. But both JLA and any kind of sequel to Singer's pathetic franchise are very much up in the air right now and not looking too likely to be released in the Summer of 2009. Those 2 flicks are more than likely looking at a 2010 release, if they ever get made, considering its march of 2008 already and one doesnt have a location or complete cast, and the other has yet to even hire new writers.

then I doubt that we will being him even doing that because its bad for business marketing wise and will hurt which ever movie is coming out.

Thats the most contradictory statement I've ever read. First you saw they'll attach a movie trailer to Smallville to market the film. But then you say the image of Tom in the suit now suddenly becomes bad marketing wise for the same movie? As if the people who watch the show never knew Clark on Smallville would become Superman? Which one is it chief? Although I do agree on one point, once people saw Tom in the suit, Cotrona and Routh become rather laughable

[zerohour films]

IMO it would be a bad move on Gough/Millar's part not to have him in the suit in the last episode. Especially after they will have had an 8 season build up to it.

I really hope it is just a matter of how much will they show of him as Superman. More than likely as alot have said we will only get a quick shirt rip or a blue/red dart across the sky.

I personally, like alot of you, are hoping for a little bit more. I don't expect alot of him as Superman, but would like for it to be some really good shots though. Let's just hope they are going to tuck away some of the budget for season 8 for the finale (which I hope will be a 2 hour ep).

[Ultimate_Superman]

Thats the most contradictory statement I've ever read. First you saw they'll attach a movie trailer to Smallville to market the film. But then you say the image of Tom in the suit now suddenly becomes bad marketing wise for the same movie? As if the people who watch the show never knew Clark on Smallville would become Superman? Which one is it chief? Although I do agree on one point, once people saw Tom in the suit, Cotrona and Routh become rather laughableThe reason why I say it is bad marketing and will hurt the movie whose trailer is attached to that show. It did not hurt Superman Returns mainly because Welling was not going to put on the suit anytime soon. However if they had Welling put on the Superman suit right before they showed the trailer to Returns people would have thought Welling was going to be Superman for that movie and would have been let down more then some were already. Really the problem is you can't have him as "Superman" with out moving forward with a reboot to the solo series or have him in JLA because it would hurt either one or both of them.

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL the fact that they're going to cast another movie Superman renders the whole confusion argument moot. Having a TV Superman and a movie Superman is far less confusing than having 2 movie Superman, but yet thats going full steam ahead (assuming wither JLA or MOS ever gets made mind you).

Still the point is, if those movies do get made, they're not going to be out by Summer 2009. Smallville can easily take it's bow in May 2009 with a 2 minute scene of Welling in the suit without hurting anyone.

[Zorex]

No, it's actually pretty different, and by DC's regs it has to be. SOmeone has a great gif comparing all of the S's and outside of the S'd being straight on the bottom, they're noticeably different.

If someone could find and post that, I'd... love them forever? Yes, sure. I'd love to see the comparison. The \S/ Smallville's been using is a really good-looking one, one of the best I've seen. I remember at one point someone did two vector-based reproductions of it (one in blue/red/yellow and one black/white), but I lost them. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

[b24]

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee231/b_0_0_m/ManorSuperman.jpg

Man Or Superman?


really nice poster

i can see this as sries finale poster

[The War Machine]

Maze posted this:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=14327532&postcount=963

JL is going forward soon.

[AgentPat]

For those who still care...

The Sydney Morning Herald
March 19, 2008

Mega movie refused rebate
Garry Maddox Film writer

Sydney looks set to lose George Miller's mega movie Justice League Mortal after it was refused the Federal Government's new film production rebate.

The Oscar-winning director of Happy Feet and the Mad Max films said yesterday that the $US200 million movie had a 90 per cent chance of being shot overseas after being knocked back by the board of the Film Finance Corporation.

"A once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the Australian film industry is being frittered away because of very lazy thinking," Miller said.

"If that's going to be the final decision, they're throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars of investment that the rest of the world is competing for and, much more significantly, highly skilled creative jobs."

Justice League Mortal, which is due to star Megan Gale and Teresa Palmer as part of a superhero team, has sparked heated debate in the film industry over its eligibility for the 40 per cent refundable tax offset.

Since Warner Bros suspended filming plans in January, citing uncertainty over the new incentive, opponents have argued that the offset should not be available for big-budget movies not developed by Australian filmmakers from inception.

The director of the equity section of the Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance, Simon Whipp, has lobbied against Justice League Mortal's eligibility, describing it as an American story that will be performed in American accents.

"For the public, both in Australia and outside of Australia, it will be seen as an American film," he said. "I have tremendous respect for George and his work, which has been some of the most successful films that we have ever produced. But the studio I think in this instance is seeking to push the limits of the envelope."

Miller said he had "utter creative control" over Justice League and plans to appeal against the decision. "It feels to me like I'm not fighting for this film. I'm fighting for the Australian film industry."

The Australian-born director said the industry needed movie franchises, even if they were not identifiably Australian, to boost production, improve skills and draw talent back from overseas.

"New Zealand built up their franchises through Hercules and Xena into Lord of the Rings," he said. "Now they're doing three Tintin films, two more Hobbit films and Halo. They've got work for 15 years in that country."

A spokeswoman for the Film Finance Corporation would not comment.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/mega-movie-refused-rebate/2008/03/18/1205602383792.html


Unless something drastic happens with the "official" rumored cast, I won't be seeing this film, but hope springs eternal, and Vancouver is looking good...

[The Incredible Hulk]

If someone could find and post that, I'd... love them forever? Yes, sure. I'd love to see the comparison. The \S/ Smallville's been using is a really good-looking one, one of the best I've seen. I remember at one point someone did two vector-based reproductions of it (one in blue/red/yellow and one black/white), but I lost them. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Found it:
https://home.comcast.net/~briteuf/scomparisons.jpg

[Docker2.0]

For those who still care...




Unless something drastic happens with the "official" rumored cast, I won't be seeing this film, but hope springs eternal, and Vancouver is looking good...

You and me both! I can't believe that WB is stup..................wait...................this is WB we are talking about. Scratch that. WB is crazy to let this film go on with this horrible cast and mediocre plot. This film will make a profit only cuase of the freaking name, but God knows I hope it bombs. WB doesn't have a clue of what to do with its properties! :whatever:

[SpideyVille007]

For those who still care...




Unless something drastic happens with the "official" rumored cast, I won't be seeing this film, but hope springs eternal, and Vancouver is looking good...

You and me both! I can't believe that WB is stup..................wait...................this is WB we are talking about. Scratch that. WB is crazy to let this film go on with this horrible cast and mediocre plot. This film will make a profit only cuase of the freaking name, but God knows I hope it bombs. WB doesn't have a clue of what to do with its properties! :whatever:

Wait, I forgot. Are Superman and Batman going to be in this, or was that just a false rumor?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Found it:
https://home.comcast.net/%7Ebriteuf/scomparisons.jpgand as I said before Hulk they look just alike the only thing different is the SR on is more stretched out

[Prison Mike]

the smallville "S" looks like a combination of the Reeve films and SR film. Actually, I like the smallville version the best.

[Ultimate_Superman]

the smallville "S" looks like a combination of the Reeve films and SR film. Actually, I like the smallville version the best.I can see what you mean there upper half Reeve's bottom half Routh.

[Billy Batson]

jnfPV_UiQU8&NR=1

[Syncos]

jnfPV_UiQU8&NR=1

Ugh. That video uses too much crap from season one.

[Zorex]

Found it:
https://home.comcast.net/~briteuf/scomparisons.jpg
Hmm, that helps, but it's not the images I was referring to. It was two renditions of the Smallville \S/, large and very high-quality. One was colour and one was B&W, and both looked a little bit better executed than the one here. But I like this comparison spread. Reminds me that I was looking at my silver and black Superman bumper sticker yesterday and thought, "That's looking a bit outdated." I like where the SR and Smallville versions have taken/are taking the symbol.

Edit: Woo!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/smallville/SVs-Background2.jpg

and another reference...

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9949/phantomsiu4.jpg

[RakuMon]

From the SHH frontpage:

Australia is Losing Justice League Mortal
Source: The Sydney Morning Herald
March 19, 2008


The Sydney Morning Herald reports that Australia is about to lose the George Miller-directed Justice League Mortal after it was refused the Federal Government's new film production rebate.

The Oscar-winning director of Happy Feet and the "Mad Max" films said that the $200 million movie had a 90 per cent chance of being shot overseas after being knocked back by the board of the Film Finance Corporation.

"A once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the Australian film industry is being frittered away because of very lazy thinking," Miller said. "If that's going to be the final decision, they're throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars of investment that the rest of the world is competing for and, much more significantly, highly skilled creative jobs."

The director of the equity section of the Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance, Simon Whipp, has lobbied against Justice League Mortal's eligibility, describing it as an American story that will be performed in American accents.

Miller said he had "utter creative control" over the film and plans to appeal against the decision. "It feels to me like I'm not fighting for this film. I'm fighting for the Australian film industry."

http://www.superherohype.com/news/justiceleaguenews.php?id=6950

[Olea]

It will be difficult pulling double duty but if JLA moves to Canada the chances for TW getting the part rise significally.

Off course then the question won't be if the WB will go after him, but is he still interested?

Let's hope so...

[Docker2.0]

From the SHH frontpage:

Australia is Losing Justice League Mortal
Source: The Sydney Morning Herald
March 19, 2008


The Sydney Morning Herald reports that Australia is about to lose the George Miller-directed Justice League Mortal after it was refused the Federal Government's new film production rebate.

The Oscar-winning director of Happy Feet and the "Mad Max" films said that the $200 million movie had a 90 per cent chance of being shot overseas after being knocked back by the board of the Film Finance Corporation.

"A once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the Australian film industry is being frittered away because of very lazy thinking," Miller said. "If that's going to be the final decision, they're throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars of investment that the rest of the world is competing for and, much more significantly, highly skilled creative jobs."

The director of the equity section of the Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance, Simon Whipp, has lobbied against Justice League Mortal's eligibility, describing it as an American story that will be performed in American accents.

Miller said he had "utter creative control" over the film and plans to appeal against the decision. "It feels to me like I'm not fighting for this film. I'm fighting for the Australian film industry."

http://www.superherohype.com/news/justiceleaguenews.php?id=6950
That's the scary part to me! I can't believe the WB hasn't learned from letting Singer have his way with Superman. You'd think theywould learn by now but...................wow! :huh:

[Olea]

That's the scary part to me! I can't believe the WB hasn't learned from letting Singer have his way with Superman. You'd think theywould learn by now but...................wow! :huh:
Fair point, but this is the WB we're talking about. Hopefully once the movie moves to Canada the leash will be shorter. Miller was given full control with the condition he gets the 40% rebate but confidence should be running low after casting "Teen Titans".

[Mike22]

Ooops, double post.

[Mike22]

Fair point, but this is the WB we're talking about. Hopefully once the movie moves to Canada the leash will be shorter. Miller was given full control with the condition he gets the 40% rebate but confidence should be running low after casting "Teen Titans".

Miller has made some really had decisions on this project, I wouldn`t be to surprised if he walks away now that the move is more likely than ever.

[Olea]

Miller has made some really had decisions on this project, I wouldn`t be to surprised if he walks away now that the move is more likely than ever.
I do hope that he'll jump ship once production moves to Canada. His decisions were questionable at best and if we're to believe the scuttlebutt about the re-writes... dear Lord let it be over soon.


Btw, I hope you have received the PM I've sent you with the links requested. :)

[Mike22]

I do hope that he'll jump ship once production moves to Canada. His decisions were questionable at best and if we're to believe the scuttlebutt about the re-writes... dear Lord let it be over soon.
I hope so too. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif



Btw, I hope you have received the PM I've sent you with the links requested. :)

I did, and again, thank you very much.http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon7.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[The War Machine]

Whether Miller stays or goes, I'm not that reassured.

This project was WB's creation; they probably had a strong had in all the controversial decisive processes as well.

There was also a report in the JL forums that listed the JL production happening in New Zealand now.

[Webhead2006]

Actually it is most likely going to end up in canada if they decide to drop Oz for the film due to the whole rebate thing. As for Tom welling i was over on another messageboard and someone had a link for an online petition for tom welling for supes in jla/and or new solo superman film. Here is a link to the petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html

[MAN O STEEL]

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9599/begininghv5copyversion2cg7.png (http://imageshack.us)

[PrncsLeia]

Aaahhhh.......the possibilities.........*sigh*

[BareKnucklez]

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9599/begininghv5copyversion2cg7.png (http://imageshack.us)

Now that looks like this generations SUPERMAN to me!

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Comics legend Neal Adams makes great compliments to Tom Welling, Michael Rosenbaum and Smallville ! (and also gives a bit of criticism to SR "You're messing with an icon !")
So cool.
www.sportstalknetwork.com/archives/neal_adams.wma

[triplet]

Comics legend Neal Adams makes great compliments to Tom Welling, Michael Rosenbaum and Smallville ! (and also gives a bit of criticism to SR "You're messing with an icon !")
So cool.
www.sportstalknetwork.com/archives/neal_adams.wma (http://www.sportstalknetwork.com/archives/neal_adams.wma)

Thanks for posting that.

:up:

Nice to hear a guy like that show Tom some love and respect.

Also nice he loves and respects the show too.

:heart:

[RakuMon]

Comics legend Neal Adams makes great compliments to Tom Welling, Michael Rosenbaum and Smallville ! (and also gives a bit of criticism to SR "You're messing with an icon !")
So cool.
www.sportstalknetwork.com/archives/neal_adams.wma

Great interview. Add Neal Adams to the chorus of legendary comics folks who love Smallville and Welling & Rosey's performances! :up: (while junking Singer's "interpretation." Can't wait for the 'Neal Adams is a hack' posts.)

[Whiteflag]

Comics legend Neal Adams makes great compliments to Tom Welling, Michael Rosenbaum and Smallville ! (and also gives a bit of criticism to SR "You're messing with an icon !")
So cool.
www.sportstalknetwork.com/archives/neal_adams.wma (http://www.sportstalknetwork.com/archives/neal_adams.wma)

Thank you! Great interview! :up:

[Billy Batson]

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9599/begininghv5copyversion2cg7.png (http://imageshack.us)

Comics legend Neal Adams makes great compliments to Tom Welling, Michael Rosenbaum and Smallville ! (and also gives a bit of criticism to SR "You're messing with an icon !")
So cool.
www.sportstalknetwork.com/archives/neal_adams.wma (http://www.sportstalknetwork.com/archives/neal_adams.wma)


:woot:

[aka Kal el]

These are all amazing! You guys are really talented. Billy could you make a manip of the MCG suit not the one with Kryptonian writing. I really like it! How would everyone feel if we got this for TW?

[TheLongestDay]

just read in this thread:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=298871

that they are still MONTHS away from final script and casting for Justice League....so maybe there is still hope for Tom as Superman!!!

On a side note i just watched the last disc of season 6...that scene in "Noir" with Clark as a bumbling reporter with glasses totally OWNS Rouths clark in SR

[The War Machine]

just read in this thread:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=298871

that they are still MONTHS away from final script and casting for Justice League....so maybe there is still hope for Tom as Superman!!!

It's doubtful. Stephen's claims seem to contradict all the reports from Variety, NY Times, Hollywood Reporter etc

And with Tom signed on to do Season 8 in the upcoming year, it doesnt leave much room for this.

It's probably for the best. It would be a mistake to have him associated with this JL trainwreck.

The better move, assuming if they aren't going to continue to Superman
movies, is to do a Smallville movie that follows off where the series ends..

That's a big 'if'.... but I'd definitely support that 100% more than JL.


On a side note i just watched the last disc of season 6...that scene in "Noir" with Clark as a bumbling reporter with glasses totally OWNS Rouths clark in SR

Welling plays the better bumbling clutz there since it was somewhat of a parody. Routh is directed by Singer to play the CK disguise in a more subtle, realistic manner where Clark fades into the background (not drawing attention to himself by acting like a fool); thats the key difference.

[The War Machine]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117983131.html?categoryId=2520&cs=1&query=justice+league

Their base is a cave outside Happy Harbor Rhode Island??

[triplet]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117983131.html?categoryId=2520&cs=1&query=justice+league

Their base is a cave outside Happy Harbor Rhode Island??

:eek:

That's crazy...

[Docker2.0]

Oh My Gawd! The wb(I refuse to even capitalize their name now)is sick! WTF! They are so out of touch with their fanbase or even the general audience!

[Orin]

Yeah, a JLA movie with the original JLA headquarters... sick! :whatever:

[Antonello Blueberry]

Yeah, a JLA movie with the original JLA headquarters... sick! :whatever:
How could they dare to be faithful?
Goin' this path we might end with a Lex Luthor who never saw Clark Kent without glasses in their youth years.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Some people don't care about it being faithful only that it matches up with their version of Superman. But what can you do.

[The War Machine]

If they ever did a Smallville movie based in the SV universe, this is the suit Welling must wear when he becomes Superman:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0312/02/lexluthorth.jpg

http://img232.exs.cx/img232/8406/390888tk.jpg

http://img232.exs.cx/img232/4590/390878so.jpg

Its perfect for live action and looks contemporary enough to not look ridiculous in the SV universe.

[Derrick9592]

If they ever did a Smallville movie based in the SV universe, this is the suit Welling must wear when he becomes Superman:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0312/02/lexluthorth.jpg

http://img232.exs.cx/img232/8406/390888tk.jpg

http://img232.exs.cx/img232/4590/390878so.jpg

Its perfect for live action and looks contemporary enough to not look ridiculous in the SV universe.

That's perfect! Definitely on the right track. I can really picture that seeing Welling wearing THAT kind of suit in the series finale. :woot:

[The War Machine]

If they ever spun Smallville off into a film; they should do Lex Luthor Man of Steel.

It dives into all the great hero/villian dynamics that SV set up.

[zerohour films]

If they ever spun Smallville off into a film; they should do Lex Luthor Man of Steel.

It dives into all the great hero/villian dynamics that SV set up.

Haven't read it yet (have really been meaning to) so can't comment on the story as a whole for a film. Although from what I have seen I would like elements to be used.

That speech in the pic posted above for one is something I could definitely see SV's Lex saying.

[triplet]

That's perfect! Definitely on the right track. I can really picture that seeing Welling wearing THAT kind of suit in the series finale. :woot:

I agree and it would look good too...

And you know how much I like Tom's chest, I mean, look at the icon!

<<--------

He's big and his chest is broad and heavily muscled. They can get away with a bigger shield on Tom's chest.

:D

[The War Machine]

Haven't read it yet (have really been meaning to) so can't comment on the story as a whole for a film. Although from what I have seen I would like elements to be used.

That speech in the pic posted above for one is something I could definitely see SV's Lex saying.

Not the entire story, but elements of it. Probably substitute in Brainiac as the film's Supervillian.. but the focus would still be on the dynamic between Lex and Clark.

It's also a badass title. It insinuates to the general public that the film is about Superman but doesn't blantantly use 'Superman' in the title; which is a good way to distance itself from past Superman films.

[elgaz]

If they ever did a Smallville movie based in the SV universe, this is the suit Welling must wear when he becomes Superman:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0312/02/lexluthorth.jpg

http://img232.exs.cx/img232/8406/390888tk.jpg

http://img232.exs.cx/img232/4590/390878so.jpg

Its perfect for live action and looks contemporary enough to not look ridiculous in the SV universe.

Totally agree. And I wish whatever Superman movie or JLA spin-off was made followed the mood of the pictures above. I mean, he's one of the most powerful beings in the Universe and all we get is him floating outside Lois's window doing his stalker-vision thing. I want to see red eyes glowing in the dark scaring away bad guys :D

Gaz

[zerohour films]

Found some cool artwork for Lex Luthor: Man of Steel and made a little Smallville manip out of it....

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9194/smallvillellmospw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Kal-El 8]

Found some cool artwork for Lex Luthor: Man of Steel and made a little Smallville manip out of it....

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9194/smallvillellmospw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The manip of METROPOLIS looks more like New York city . Than Smallville's version of the city of Metropolis .

[The War Machine]

Lex Luthor: Man of Steel (Aka: Smallville: The Movie)

12 years after the events of 'Smallville,' 32 year old Clark Kent returns from the Fortress to learn that 40 year old Lex Luthor has been sworn in as the U.S. President. Luthor plans to use the Kryptonian Brain Interactive Construct as a weapon of U.S. National Defense. Clark must confront Lex in order to prevent the Earth from suffering the same fate as Krypton.

Starring: Michael Rosenbaum, Tom Welling, James Marsters, Michael McKean, Aaron Ashmore and Erica Durance.


It would be really cool. It would feel like Terminator II, 24, and Batman Begins. Very real-world.

[zerohour films]

The manip of METROPOLIS looks more like New York city . Than Smallville's version of the city of Metropolis .

Yeah it probably was New York, just a random pic I grabbed off of Google.
Tried to get a Metropolis one, but couldn't find one that looked right to me with a dark background and the window lights shining clearly enough.

[Olea]

If they ever did a Smallville movie based in the SV universe, this is the suit Welling must wear when he becomes Superman:



Its perfect for live action and looks contemporary enough to not look ridiculous in the SV universe.
I know it is a long shot but I still burn the canddle of hope that Welling might finally dress for the part *sigh*


On the petition front, I'm happy to say, others like us want to see him suit up. Close to 250 fans have already signed and I believe more will sign soon too. :p :woot:

[The War Machine]

The online petition is useless though. No one important will ever see it.

You should do a letter writing thing to the studio directly.

[Olea]

The online petition is useless though. No one important will ever see it.

You should do a letter writing thing to the studio directly.
One will be sent with the petition explaining why we would like to see Tom Welling as Superman and showing that there are loads of other people thinking alike.

I know a petition could do little change but it brought Jericho back for another season, it brought Sarah back for Prison Break and Dr Beckett for Atlantis. So who knows... wish us luck and if you agree and want to help, please sign too. :)

[Ultimate_Superman]

The problem with seeing Tom Welling as Superman is Tom Welling played the role of Clark Kent for 8 years now do you think he would really want to play him for 8+ more years? I think if you write in letters it should be that SV does a made for TV movie for the series finale that is close to the Lois and Clark pilot.

[The War Machine]

I know a petition could do little change but it brought Jericho back for another season, it brought Sarah back for Prison Break and Dr Beckett for Atlantis. So who knows... wish us luck and if you agree and want to help, please sign too. :)

The difference is this is the WB. Big film studio.

Letter writing is the only way; and even that has a very limited chance of success.

[The War Machine]

The problem with seeing Tom Welling as Superman is Tom Welling played the role of Clark Kent for 8 years now do you think he would really want to play him for 8+ more years? I think if you write in letters it should be that SV does a made for TV movie for the series finale that is close to the Lois and Clark pilot.

He seemed like one of the first to sign for the 8th year and never showed any interest in wanting to quit (unlike Rosenbaum and Kreuk).

We both know a TV movie would never happen with the Superman rights tied into the WB film studio.

A Smallville-based theatrical movie is the only way to go.

[aka Kal el]

He commands things to be Awesome!

Screen play by Bruce timm!!:word:

[Olea]

We both know a TV movie would never happen with the Superman rights tied into the WB film studio.

A Smallville-based theatrical movie is the only way to go.
I'm actually somewhere in the middle with this. I don't want a full fledged Smallville movie but a Superman one that would incorporate some of the Smallville elements. For example, just like the comics, a Clark Kent that is not a bumbling idiot.

Screen play by Bruce timm!!

Amen to that. Long have I been saying, get Bruce Timm for the JLA. He's the only one that can make it successful.



Btw and since this is the TW for Superman thread, the petition has already reached 436 signature and it is ever growing.

If you're a fans and supporters of this cause then please sign too. Just click on my sig below.

[Whiteflag]

Btw and since this is the TW for Superman thread, the petition has already reached 436 signature and it is ever growing.

If you're a fans and supporters of this cause then please sign too. Just click on my sig below.

I signed, several days ago. :yay:

[Binker]

I found this:

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs4/i/2004/223/4/6/Superman_.jpg

This works because his current red jacket/blue shirt is sorta like a precusor to this, the prototype, and this would be the prototype for his costume. And BTW, Tom should wear this RIGHT BEFORE he wears the costume. And if he wears this, he should F***IN FLY!

[Prison Mike]

So he's like Neo only with a red jacket instead of black. LOL

[LL2K2]

I thought Superman was already cast in JL. Even if that's not the case, I don't see it happening.

If I recall, Jericho got saved because fans sent in tons of peanuts. Fans of Moonlight are donating blood to keep that show from the proverbial stake. This petition - even if it collects 10,000 signatures - I highly doubt will sway WB.

Still, nothing like the old college try, right?

[zerohour films]

Figured I'd make a quick manip of the above Neo-Superman



http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8380/wellingconceptsuitmn9ry9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I can see how that would be a natural progression from the Red Jacket look, but I'd rather stick to a little more traditional look.

[Olea]

I thought Superman was already cast in JL. Even if that's not the case, I don't see it happening.

If I recall, Jericho got saved because fans sent in tons of peanuts. Fans of Moonlight are donating blood to keep that show from the proverbial stake. This petition - even if it collects 10,000 signatures - I highly doubt will sway WB.

Still, nothing like the old college try, right?
Exactly!!! We have to try cause you never know.... :woot:


Signatures now at 483

Here is the link again:

http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html

[COMPO]

Figured I'd make a quick manip of the above Neo-Superman



http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8380/wellingconceptsuitmn9ry9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I can see how that would be a natural progression from the Red Jacket look, but I'd rather stick to a little more traditional look.

he looks like he's wearing overalls :woot:

[SamuraiSon6]

kinda like mario, lol

[SpideyVille007]

:pal:

[Mandrill]

*Waits for someone to add a moustache * lol

[triplet]

Okay, this is an awesome idea!

"OPERATION STOP THE MONKEY BUSINESS (http://theinfamousemijayne.blogspot.com/2008/04/announcing-operation-stop-monkey.html)"

It's time WB execs hear what the fans are saying!!

Along with SaveSuperman.com, we will be launching "Operation: Stop the Monkey Business". For a donation of only $3, you can send a 6" stuffed monkey to Alan Horn or Jeff Robinov. Each monkey will be tagged with the SaveSuperman.com logo and can be customized with a special message from the sender. There will be two versions giving senders a choice. A regular one with just the logo or one holding a sign that reads "Welling for Superman".

Signatures are one thing but an office full of monkeys really gets the point across.

Perfect.

Not sure I'll buy more than one, money's kinda tight, but what the hell?

What better way to get the point across than a bunch of stuffed monkeys junking up Alan Horn's and Jeff Rubinov's offices?

:up:

[Prison Mike]

is this to save superman from the jla movie or from the superman returns sequel? I'm all for welling being superman but what exactly are we saving him from? I'm not all against a MOS movie if there is more action.

[triplet]

is this to save superman from the jla movie or from the superman returns sequel? I'm all for welling being superman but what exactly are we saving him from? I'm not all against a MOS movie if there is more action.

I don't think she cares either way...

The Save Superman campaign is intended to try and persuade WB to dump Singer and do a reboot for MOS, but I think emi would be happy to have Tom in the suit in either a reboot of Superman or in the JLA.

I think it's a cute idea either way, but I'm not sure how convincing it'll be in the long run.

Look at what happened with the writers' strike: those pencils were underwhelming and the strike went on for another month or so until the AMPTP was damn good and ready to bargain.

[Prison Mike]

I don't mind Singer just as long as he adds more action and talking lines for Superman/Clark Kent. What I would really like, would be Welling in that JLA movie but with the OMAC storyline. If that can't happen then I'm satisfied with MOS (and with Singer helming it).

[zerohour films]

he looks like he's wearing overalls :woot:


HaHa..yeah I should have made that flap of cape a little more distinct.

[The Joker_1000]

It still looks pretty good though.

So, still no word on if Welling will start flying or dawn the red cape?

[Jick09]

I found this:

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs4/i/2004/223/4/6/Superman_.jpg

This works because his current red jacket/blue shirt is sorta like a precusor to this, the prototype, and this would be the prototype for his costume. And BTW, Tom should wear this RIGHT BEFORE he wears the costume. And if he wears this, he should F***IN FLY!I liked this outfit
Clark also have the red cape that that actress gave to him after being saved.

[Olea]

I don't think she cares either way...

The Save Superman campaign is intended to try and persuade WB to dump Singer and do a reboot for MOS, but I think emi would be happy to have Tom in the suit in either a reboot of Superman or in the JLA.
That's exactly it. Emi simply does not want to see another Singer directed Superman with questionable morals and a look that betrayes anything we know about the iconic character. With this site she wants to show the WB that we care enough and want to reboot the franchise with a better actor that looks the part and a story that does justice to our favorite character.


So, still no word on if Welling will start flying or dawn the red cape?

The official word is "No comment". Both Welling's reps and the studio reps are refusing to confirm or even deny the rumours.

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Tom Welling for Superman petition -- 518 signatures to date.

http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html

[phil]

If I never see this on the big screen I'll never be completely satisfied with live action Superman. If you don't have the visual you will NEVER achieve a good Superman movie.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/web2.jpg

[Binker]

So he's like Neo only with a red jacket instead of black. LOL

Figured I'd make a quick manip of the above Neo-Superman

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8380/wellingconceptsuitmn9ry9.jpg

I can see how that would be a natural progression from the Red Jacket look, but I'd rather stick to a little more traditional look.

Umm, sorry. But I can see this manip not working because he's wearing just a shirt in the original picture. Maybe if you tried a picture of him wearing his red jacket/blue shirt and then extending the length of the jacket so it's longer. Maybe that would work. And then add the "S" and all that.

Clark also have the red cape that that actress gave to him after being saved.

Yeah but, I would think he would still wear the long jacket, and it is its "caped presence" that would give him the idea of using the cape. Something like that.

[Olea]

I have some news, I'm not sure if they're good or bad but it could improve the chances of Welling getting cast as Superman for JLA.

Word is out that JL shooting might be moving yet again towards the end of the year. Fight choreographer Richard Norton posted the following on his blog:

"So here I am still in Los Angeles due to the movie, 'Justice League', being shelved until maybe the end of the year. I guess there were funding problems for the present. Oh well, that"s the nature of the business I am in."

No idea if this him speculating or this is based on hard facts.

Source: http://www.richardnorton.org/news.asp (http://www.richardnorton.org/news.asp)



This could mean that the release date is going to be pushed back as well, instead of having to rush things for 2009. More time to iron the script, do some re-casting (hopefully), move to a new location etc.

[Ultimate_Superman]

To be honest this movie (JLM) is pretty much on its last leg and I doubt it will happen. IMO they (WB) seem to be pushing right now for the sequel to Superman Returns and it looks like that will be coming out soon from all the reports given.

[Mikelus]

We don't know anything really solid and Valkyrie's release has been changed for 2009. JL is still there and is closer to filming stage, yet uncertain, plus the copyright issues.... it doesn't look good for MOS. As always, time will tell.

[triplet]

Sounds like Common is still under a NDA:

Crave Online: Are you actually doing Justice League of America?

Common: I can’t really talk about that situation, to be honest, so… I wish I could but I can’t, really.

Crave Online: Well, that sounds promising. It sounds like there’s a possibility if you can’t talk about it. You could say no if it’s no.

Common: There you go. You’re intelligent.

He basically said he's still doing it, even though he didn't come out and say that...

FYI

Read the full interview here:

http://www.craveonline.com/articles/filmtv/04650106/4/common_the_street_king.html

[Binker]

For anyone who says that MOS, or Superman in JLA, may not happen because of the lawsuit DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING. MOS will still happen, so will Superman in JLA, as much as more Superman comics, animations, and everything else. The lawsuit does not stop all that, it is merely about how much the Siegels are entitled to. That's it. The rest is just fear. And let's face it, if Time Warner was about to lose all the rights to Superman, they would pony up the money to get them back.

JUst leeting people know.

[Ultimate_Superman]

We don't know anything really solid and Valkyrie's release has been changed for 2009. JL is still there and is closer to filming stage, yet uncertain, plus the copyright issues.... it doesn't look good for MOS. As always, time will tell.Valkyrie much like Star Trek will be completed for a 2008 release date but will be release in 2009 instead. As Showtime has just reported as well

David Hayter, a Toronto native, was in Toronto speaking at a college. He is friends with Bryan Singer and told the film students that Bryan is indeed working on a sequel and it would be heavily based on modern comics.

Which leads me to believe M.O.S is a go and happening its just we won't know as much seeing how the WB has now learned its lesson (thanks to Justice League: Mortal) about saying to much on a project before it has gone before the camera.