Tom Welling as Superman

[Ultimate_Superman]

For anyone who says that MOS, or Superman in JLA, may not happen because of the lawsuit DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING. MOS will still happen, so will Superman in JLA, as much as more Superman comics, animations, and everything else. The lawsuit does not stop all that, it is merely about how much the Siegels are entitled to. That's it. The rest is just fear. And let's face it, if Time Warner was about to lose all the rights to Superman, they would pony up the money to get them back.

JUst leeting people know.To be honest as I have said before if DC really wanted to get around the lawsuit with out having to pay the Siegel's a dime then they can pretty much make a strong case saying the Superman and Lois Lane of Action Comics #1 died in Infinite Crisis and their Superman is a totally different Superman which is true and if that doesn't work they could always go back to Superman Blue (which is a totally different Superman then the one from Action Comics #1). I mean he doesn't have the same powers nor does he have the same suit. So you can get around it if you want to.

[RakuMon]

To be honest as I have said before if DC really wanted to get around the lawsuit with out having to pay the Siegel's a dime then they can pretty much make a strong case saying the Superman and Lois Lane of Action Comics #1 died in Infinite Crisis and their Superman is a totally different Superman which is true and if that doesn't work they could always go back to Superman Blue (which is a totally different Superman then the one from Action Comics #1). I mean he doesn't have the same powers nor does he have the same suit. So you can get around it if you want to.

LOL. As if WB's corporate lawyers are going to call in fanboys to testify the intricate plot details of a convoluted story in front of a judge and jury.

[Ultimate_Superman]

LOL. As if WB's corporate lawyers are going to call in fanboys to testify the intricate plot details of a convoluted story in front of a judge and jury.
I am not saying that at all. All I am saying is that the Superman and Lois Lane the Siegel's made died in Infinite Crisis. And if the WB didn't want to go that way they could just bring back Superman Blue (who really wasn't that bad) and go from there because he had different powers and outfit the only thing that stayed the same was the name Clark Kent.

[JackMercy]

LOL. As if WB's corporate lawyers are going to call in fanboys to testify the intricate plot details of a convoluted story in front of a judge and jury.

Well...they did call in Mr. Singer...

;)

[RakuMon]

Juno League of America?! What the blog?!


News

Reitman Turned Down Justice League?
Source: webhead2006
April 11, 2008


/Film reports that Juno director Jason Reitman was on the Howard Stern show and revealed that he turned down an offer to direct the Justice League movie for Warner Bros. Stern asked him how the script was and Reitman also said how much the budget would have been.

Check out what he had to say here (http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/04/10/jason-reitman-turns-down-justice-league/)!

[Billy Batson]

To be honest as I have said before if DC really wanted to get around the lawsuit with out having to pay the Siegel's a dime then they can pretty much make a strong case saying the Superman and Lois Lane of Action Comics #1 died in Infinite Crisis and their Superman is a totally different Superman which is true and if that doesn't work they could always go back to Superman Blue (which is a totally different Superman then the one from Action Comics #1). I mean he doesn't have the same powers nor does he have the same suit. So you can get around it if you want to.

Wow! :wow:
I would never purchase another DC product if they screwed the Siegel's out of their intellectual property. The Siegel's can then sue DC over Copyright infringement if they listen to your suggestions. Just pay the Siegel's their just due, DC got Superman for a song back in yesteryears and made godlike money. DC just pay up!!!

[TheLongestDay]

sorry if they are old...just thought Tom was looking very Clark/Superman here

http://img230.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-10206/loc197/72095_headline7_122_197lo.jpg

http://img131.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-17916/loc1013/72068_headline1_122_1013lo.jpg

[TheLongestDay]

2 more....

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/ScarlettR/vogue2.png

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/ScarlettR/vogue4.jpg

[Olea]

Yup, he looks really good in those photos....

[Zorex]

So, apparently, JL is dead. A-....Again? I dunno, is this a first time, or is this again? I wouldn't be surprised if someone came in here going "Wink Wink, nudge nudge, that's what you think, wait and see, can't reveal my source." Well, maybe not in quite those words... cough, Jack, cough.

[Olea]

Just a quick note for all Tom Welling fans, the petition to have him suit up for Superman is at 998, only 2 away from an even 1000. If you want to help too, then don't forget to sign and bring in your friends to sign too. Share the link as much as you can. Click on my signature for more...

[Ultimate_Superman]

I would recommend Olea changing the petition settings to the person who signs it must have a valid e-mail address. It will give it more creditability.

[Olea]

I would recommend Olea changing the petition settings to the person who signs it must have a valid e-mail address. It will give it more creditability.
The settings are already like that but thanks for the advice. :)

[Ultimate_Superman]

The settings are already like that but thanks for the advice. :)Are you sure?

[Billy Batson]

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[Docker2.0]

Where's AgentPat? She use to run this forum now she has disappeared. Dare I say she finally got arrested for stalking Tom? Oh Pat! :csad:

[triplet]

Where's AgentPat? She use to run this forum now she has disappeared. Dare I say she finally got arrested for stalking Tom? Oh Pat! :csad:

She is just being stealthy I think.

She does make the occassional comment, but largely has left because of the negativity on the board.

I think that has largely calmed down, so maybe she'll come back.

:(

I miss her and Serene, avid, and Hulk.

[Docker2.0]

You copied my sig! :cmad:

:p

Anyway, come back guys! Yeah the boards are getting rough now but...............you have to admit, Smallville is kind of slipping. But just the 4-5 minutes of Lex being on the screen is making up for it.

[Prison Mike]

Hulk is hibernating in the FOS and sometimes comes out every now and then to make a comment.

[RakuMon]

She is just being stealthy I think.

She does make the occassional comment, but largely has left because of the negativity on the board.

I think that has largely calmed down, so maybe she'll come back.

:(

I miss her and Serene, avid, and Hulk.

I gets no love? :(

[triplet]

I gets no love? :(

Sorry, Raku... Of course I'd love to hear from you more.

*affectionately ruffles raku's hair*

But, you've never been a big poster. I figure you're just shy by nature, or too busy to post much.

Me?

I've not posted as much because of my new spoiler-phobia....

[triplet]

You copied my sig! :cmad:

:p

I think you took it from me, but truth is truth.

I think it's a self-evident statement...

:ninja:


Anyway, come back guys! Yeah the boards are getting rough now but...............you have to admit, Smallville is kind of slipping. But just the 4-5 minutes of Lex being on the screen is making up for it.

Descent was probably one of the most important episodes of the series, so they did a wonderful job there, but then it slipped with Sleeper for some strange reason.

I think it'll be back up to snuff for the rest of the season.

:up:

[phil]

what's going on there are so many names in this forum I don't see on this poll for a reboot, 114 against 84 for, this forum alone could put a reboot over the top =)
http://forums.superherohype.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=21154

[Prison Mike]

I don't think we need a reboot, we just need a better story than SR.

[Docker2.0]

Are you guys saying we need a reboot for Smallville? :eek:

[Docker2.0]

Are you guys saying we need a reboot for Smallville? :eek:

[LL2K2]

what's going on there are so many names in this forum I don't see on this poll for a reboot, 114 against 84 for, this forum alone could put a reboot over the top =)
http://forums.superherohype.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=21154

Take a closer look...there are more names than you think. :dry:

[Syncos]

I gets no love? :(

Don't sweat it. I wasn't mentioned either...







:csad:

[RakuMon]

Sorry, Raku... Of course I'd love to hear from you more.

*affectionately ruffles raku's hair*

But, you've never been a big poster. I figure you're just shy by nature, or too busy to post much.

Me?

I've not posted as much because of my new spoiler-phobia....

Quality over quantity, I says. :D

The reasoning for my infreqent posting, though, is more of the latter. It's not definitely out of shyness. I'm pretty sure Pat can attest to, if she remembers, the fact that I joined the Hype solely to take on Superboy (what happened to him?) and his misguided views of Smallville's role in Superman lore. I think Pat came on for the same reason around that time.

[Docker2.0]

I gets no love? :(

Triplet only loves herself!! :cmad:................and the WB! :hehe:

[Tbone]

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/4590/lf047033mpsketchv02v2vq1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/4590/lf047033mpsketchv02v2vq1.8d9481057e.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=379&i=lf047033mpsketchv02v2vq1.jpg)


That's a good manip... except it's not the most flattering shot of Welling. It looks like the face of a guy who just took a dump and is saying "yeah, I did it... so what?"

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I just found this comment that was posted in the Tom Welling for Superman petition so funny that I had to post it. It's funny because it's so over the top and desperate but at the same time it's seriously sad because Warner Bros. are such morons that fans have no choice but to talk to them like this:
"IF YOU DON'T PUT T. W. IN THE J.L. MOVIE I HATE YOUR FRICKING GUTS!! DONT BE SO FRICKIN STUPID!!! WHY CANT YOU JUST LISTEN TO THE FANS SOMETIMES! WITHOUT US YOU WOULD BE NOTHING BUT A FRICKIN PIECE OF CRAP. WE WONT GET TO SEE HIM IN HIS SUIT IN SMALLVILLE SO LET US SEE HIM IN THE FRICKIN MOVIE! YOU HAVE TO PUT TOM WELLING IN THE MOVIE OR ELSE EVERY SMALLEVILLE VIEWER WONT SEE THIS MOVIE! IF YOU DONT PUT T. WELLING IN THE MOVIE IT WILL SHOW HOW STUPID WARNER BROS IS. JUST BE SMART AND DO IT. WHO DO YOU THINK WATCHES SMALLVILLE ANYWAY, SUPERMAN FANS!! WHAT KIND OF ROCKET SCIENCE DOES IT TAKE TO FIGURE THIS OUT! JUST PUT TOM WELLING IN THIS MOVIE. YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOU DONT BECAUSE THE MOVIE WILL SUCK AND NO ONE WILL COME TO SEE IT AND YOU WONT GET YOUR STUPID MONEY AND OSCAR NOMINATION OR AWARD AND IT WILL BE THE WORST SUPER HERO MOVIE EVER MADE. THEN YOU WILL REALIZE HOW STUPID YOU ARE AND YOU WILL HAVE TO REDO THE MOVIE BUT OH NO, I FORGOT, YOU WONT HAVE ANY MONEY!!PUT T.W. IN THE JUSTICE LEAGE MOVIE! "

[Cmill216]

"IF YOU DON'T PUT T. W. IN THE J.L. MOVIE I HATE YOUR FRICKING GUTS!! DONT BE SO FRICKIN STUPID!!! WHY CANT YOU JUST LISTEN TO THE FANS SOMETIMES! WITHOUT US YOU WOULD BE NOTHING BUT A FRICKIN PIECE OF CRAP. WE WONT GET TO SEE HIM IN HIS SUIT IN SMALLVILLE SO LET US SEE HIM IN THE FRICKIN MOVIE! YOU HAVE TO PUT TOM WELLING IN THE MOVIE OR ELSE EVERY SMALLEVILLE VIEWER WONT SEE THIS MOVIE! IF YOU DONT PUT T. WELLING IN THE MOVIE IT WILL SHOW HOW STUPID WARNER BROS IS. JUST BE SMART AND DO IT. WHO DO YOU THINK WATCHES SMALLVILLE ANYWAY, SUPERMAN FANS!! WHAT KIND OF ROCKET SCIENCE DOES IT TAKE TO FIGURE THIS OUT! JUST PUT TOM WELLING IN THIS MOVIE. YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOU DONT BECAUSE THE MOVIE WILL SUCK AND NO ONE WILL COME TO SEE IT AND YOU WONT GET YOUR STUPID MONEY AND OSCAR NOMINATION OR AWARD AND IT WILL BE THE WORST SUPER HERO MOVIE EVER MADE. THEN YOU WILL REALIZE HOW STUPID YOU ARE AND YOU WILL HAVE TO REDO THE MOVIE BUT OH NO, I FORGOT, YOU WONT HAVE ANY MONEY!!PUT T.W. IN THE JUSTICE LEAGE MOVIE! "

I wonder who this guy wants to play Superman.

[triplet]

Quality over quantity, I says. :D

The reasoning for my infreqent posting, though, is more of the latter. It's not definitely out of shyness. I'm pretty sure Pat can attest to, if she remembers, the fact that I joined the Hype solely to take on Superboy (what happened to him?) and his misguided views of Smallville's role in Superman lore. I think Pat came on for the same reason around that time.

It's sorta fuzzy, but the main reason I joined up (I was happily lurking at the time) was because I got pissed off by something someone had posted...

It might have been Superboy, I don't remember, but that sounds about right.

Triplet only loves herself!! :cmad:................and the WB! :hehe:

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to make of this comment...

:confused:

I just found this comment that was posted in the Tom Welling for Superman petition so funny that I had to post it. It's funny because it's so over the top and desperate but at the same time it's seriously sad because Warner Bros. are such morons that fans have no choice but to talk to them like this:
"IF YOU DON'T PUT T. W. IN THE J.L. MOVIE I HATE YOUR FRICKING GUTS!! DONT BE SO FRICKIN STUPID!!! WHY CANT YOU JUST LISTEN TO THE FANS SOMETIMES! WITHOUT US YOU WOULD BE NOTHING BUT A FRICKIN PIECE OF CRAP. WE WONT GET TO SEE HIM IN HIS SUIT IN SMALLVILLE SO LET US SEE HIM IN THE FRICKIN MOVIE! YOU HAVE TO PUT TOM WELLING IN THE MOVIE OR ELSE EVERY SMALLEVILLE VIEWER WONT SEE THIS MOVIE! IF YOU DONT PUT T. WELLING IN THE MOVIE IT WILL SHOW HOW STUPID WARNER BROS IS. JUST BE SMART AND DO IT. WHO DO YOU THINK WATCHES SMALLVILLE ANYWAY, SUPERMAN FANS!! WHAT KIND OF ROCKET SCIENCE DOES IT TAKE TO FIGURE THIS OUT! JUST PUT TOM WELLING IN THIS MOVIE. YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOU DONT BECAUSE THE MOVIE WILL SUCK AND NO ONE WILL COME TO SEE IT AND YOU WONT GET YOUR STUPID MONEY AND OSCAR NOMINATION OR AWARD AND IT WILL BE THE WORST SUPER HERO MOVIE EVER MADE. THEN YOU WILL REALIZE HOW STUPID YOU ARE AND YOU WILL HAVE TO REDO THE MOVIE BUT OH NO, I FORGOT, YOU WONT HAVE ANY MONEY!!PUT T.W. IN THE JUSTICE LEAGE MOVIE! "

That's a riot...

Could it be muscles?

;)

I wonder who this guy wants to play Superman.

LOL!

:D

Too funny....

[Whiteflag]

I wonder who this guy wants to play Superman.

lol :woot:

[triplet]

This is an interesting article on the problems DC Comics runs into when it comes to having movies that Marvel doesn't have...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080510/en_movies_eo/47179886_ef834885_945c_37f44be6bfe2;_ylt=AselzLSEA m4yHguvb4jmslgwFxkF

To Jim Littler, webmaster of **************.com, the long-planned Wonder Woman movie is a prime example of the superhuman challenges a DC superhero can face.

"Warner Bros. was able to get Joss Whedon at the helm—AND THEN THEY REJECTED HIS SCRIPT! Joss Whedon of Firefly, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and more!" Littler wrote in an email. "I'll bet the DC people were crying when that fell apart."

More than a decade ago, it was Marvel heroes who were having all the rotten luck in Hollywood. Spider-Man wasn't much more than a 1970s TV washout. The Fantastic Four were fit for an unreleased Roger Corman B-movie. Captain America was singed in a direct-to-video bomb.

Now, it's DC's turn. While the comic giant's characters continue to be huge small-screen players, on Smallville and in various animated series, they're getting swamped by Marvel's gang at the multiplex. Superman vs. Batman was scrapped. Justice League of America fell apart. And all sorts of cape- and tight-wearers are cooling their boots—even Superman, who's doesn't yet have a definitive start date for his next movie, two years after Superman Returns grossed $200 million.



I think this proves how true my sig line really is:

Warner Brothers is run by idiots.

[Docker2.0]

You mean MY sig line! :cmad:

Seriously DC's "Avi Arad" hasn't done squat. They don't have a clue what to do with the heroes.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Warner Brothers is run by idiots.
Maybe it's not Warner Bros that's run by idiots (and the numbers the Harry Potter movies make, someway prove they're not so idiot).
Joss Whedon never completed his script for the Wonder Woman movie, in two years.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Oh, and using the same philosophy:
Marvel is run by idiots! They rejected an Iron Man script by the couple behind the successful Smallville show.

[Docker2.0]

Well............someone must not have seen the BO returns from Iron Man to make a statement like that. :o

[Antonello Blueberry]

Well............someone must not have seen the BO returns from Iron Man to make a statement like that. :o
Really? So you're saying that rejecting a script by the writers of a successful Tv series can be an intelligent decision?

[RickO'Connell]

I don't get it. Warner Brothers has a one up over Marvel with the fact that they own all of their Superheroes & that they can have cross overs & the like without any legal trouble. You would think as long as Warner Brothers has been around everyone would have had their own franchise by now

[triplet]

Maybe it's not Warner Bros that's run by idiots (and the numbers the Harry Potter movies make, someway prove they're not so idiot).

They were able to get together coherent HP scripts because JK Rowling had script approval.

If she hadn't, I shudder to think what would have happened in those movies...

The problem, which this article points out, is there is no one at DC with the power to say, "you can't do that" when they do something stupid like making all the cast in the JLA movie be like 19...

Joss Whedon never completed his script for the Wonder Woman movie, in two years.

That's the first I heard of this...

[Antonello Blueberry]

I don't get it. Warner Brothers has a one up over Marvel with the fact that they own all of their Superheroes & that they can have cross overs & the like without any legal trouble. You would think as long as Warner Brothers has been around everyone would have had their own franchise by now
How many movies does Warner Bros make every year?
Now consider that they have rights to a lot of stuff to choose from:
the DC Universe, Vertigo, the classic Warner Bros toons, the Hanna&Barbera,
the highly successful book series like Harry Potter...
Eventually some of the DC universe characters will end up on screen.
Come on, the Iron Man movie has been in development in some form for 16 years.

[Antonello Blueberry]

The problem, which this article points out, is there is no one at DC with the power to say, "you can't do that" when they do something stupid like making all the cast in the JLA movie be like 19...
Please, let's cut this crap of the Teen Justice league.
The average age of the actors rumored to be in Miller's Justice League was over 26.


That's the first I heard of this...
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=11030
Whedon says his lack of focus was particularly cataclysmic while he was writing his draft of the "Wonder Woman" screenplay, and that when writer's block hits, it's best to jump to another project where the words are flowing more readily.

http://www.avclub.com/content/interview/joss_whedon

AVC: Is your Wonder Woman film adaptation irrevocably dead, or is there any possibility of going back?
JW: I loved what I was doing. I mean, it was really hard. It took me a long time to break the story structurally to my satisfaction. When I did that, it was in an outline, and not in a draft, and they didn't like it. So I never got to write a draft where I got to work out exactly what I wanted to do.

[triplet]

Please, let's cut this crap of the Teen Justice league.

The average age of the actors rumored to be in Miller's Justice League was over 26.

Yeah, because of that one rapper is was like 35... The other characters were going to be portrayed by 20 year olds.

I don't what you think about it, but I just don't see Batman as a 20 year old.



http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=11030


http://www.avclub.com/content/interview/joss_whedon

Interesting...

Thanks for those.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Yeah, because of that one rapper is was like 35... The other characters were going to be portrayed by 20 year olds.

Yawn.
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTczMzM3NTcxMl5BMl5BanBnXkFyZXN1bWU@._V1._SX23 _SY30_.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0111013/)
Adam Brody (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0111013/) ... The Flash (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000203/) / Barry Allen (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0028488/) (rumored) (28 years old)
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNTM5ODk4OTQ4OV5BMl5BanBnXkFyZXN1bWU@._V1._SX23 _SY30_.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0996669/)
Common (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0996669/) ... Green Lantern (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000232/) / John Stewart (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0028478/) (rumored) (36 year old)
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjE2NDI3ODU5MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNDMwNzAzMQ@@._ V1._SX23_SY30_.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1366616/)
D.J. Cotrona (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1366616/) ... Superman (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000196/) / Clark Kent (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000196/) (rumored) (28)
http://i.media-imdb.com/images/tn15/addtiny.gif (http://resume.imdb.com/)Armie Hammer (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2309517/) ... Batman (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000177/) / Bruce Wayne (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000177/) (rumored) (21)
http://i.media-imdb.com/images/tn15/addtiny.gif (http://resume.imdb.com/)Santiago Cabrera (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1085051/) ... Aquaman (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000227/) / Arthur Curry (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000227/) (rumored) (30)
http://i.media-imdb.com/images/tn15/addtiny.gif (http://resume.imdb.com/)Megan Gale (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0301885/) ... Wonder Woman (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000266/) / Princess Diana (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000266/) (rumored) (32)
http://i.media-imdb.com/images/tn15/addtiny.gif (http://resume.imdb.com/)Hugh Keays-Byrne (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0117412/) ... J'onn J'onzz (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000222/) / Martian Manhunter (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000222/) (rumored) (60)

I was wrong: the average age is 33.5

[Antonello Blueberry]

Double post

[triplet]

Yawn.

Adam Brody (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0111013/) ... The Flash (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000203/) / Barry Allen (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0028488/) (rumored) (28 years old)

Common (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0996669/) ... Green Lantern (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000232/) / John Stewart (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0028478/)(rumored) (36 year old)

D.J. Cotrona (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1366616/) ... Superman (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000196/) / Clark Kent (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000196/) (rumored) (28)
Armie Hammer (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2309517/) ... Batman (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000177/) / Bruce Wayne (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000177/) (rumored) (21)
Santiago Cabrera (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1085051/) ... Aquaman (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000227/) / Arthur Curry (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000227/) (rumored) (30)
Megan Gale (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0301885/) ... Wonder Woman (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000266/) / Princess Diana (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000266/) (rumored) (32)

Hugh Keays-Byrne (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0117412/) ... J'onn J'onzz (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000222/) / Martian Manhunter (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000222/) (rumored) (60)

I was wrong: the average age is 33.5

Okay, yeah, whatever.

The guy playing Batman is mostly who I was thinking of.

I hadn't done my own analysis of the average age of rumored cast memebers, so I'm glad you took care of that for me.

:rolleyes:

The fact remains that the film ran into problems mostly because there was no clear plan when it comes to DC comic films.

That was the point of that article.

Marvel has script approval of the films from its properties, DC doesn't.

It's caused problems...

[Antonello Blueberry]

Okay, yeah, whatever.

The guy playing Batman is mostly who I was thinking of.

I hadn't done my own analysis of the average age of rumored cast memebers, so I'm glad you took care of that for me.

:rolleyes:
That's a problem with a lot of fan-people.
They like to repeat the easy things ("it's the Teen league!") without analyzing the facts.


The fact remains that the film ran into problems mostly because there was no clear plan when it comes to DC comic films.

That was the point of that article.

Marvel has script approval of the films from its properties, DC doesn't.

It's caused problems...
DC is owned by Warner Bros. They are consulted but in most cases they don't have the final word on the script (they can however stop the development if let's say Superman kills innocent people). It's the same for Marvel, that has little control on the movies they sold the rights for, like the Fantastic Four or Ghost Rider.

[Docker2.0]

I think the problem that most people have is the bad choice to play Bats and Supes, the horrible script(though it's rumored to be changed), the film being rushed, not to mention that guys playing the heroes except Gale and Common LOOK like teens. That's why its called Teen JLA.
Oh! Marvel rejecting the script by the Smallville writers was brilliant. You see the BO results. I love Smallville(though it's sucking now)but Favreau and Marvel are doing a great job with their movies.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I think the problem that most people have is the bad choice to play Bats and Supes, the horrible script(though it's rumored to be changed),
The horrible script?
Who read it apart from the executives who ranked it as one of the best of 2007?

[Docker2.0]

The same execs who loved Catwoman? That goes really far. :whatever:
I know what you are saying dude but honestly, WB is run by idiots. They do their other properties good but don't have a clue about their superheroes. I predicted last week that within 2 weeks the WB would announce something with one of their properties due to the success of IM so this week it should come out. Why am I so confident? Becuase the WB seems to only react to what Marvel is doing. We didn't hear about JLA until Penn was announced to write the Avengers. I wouldn't be surprised if GL and Flash got a big push now.

[Antonello Blueberry]

The same execs who loved Catwoman? That goes really far. :whatever:
I know what you are saying dude but honestly, WB is run by idiots.
I don't approve some of their productive decisions (like the required alterations to "I am Legend") but I tend to think they know a couple of things about the business more than fanboys.
And the Catwoman script never ended in the Script blacklist as the JL one.

[AgentPat]

You forgot Anton Yelchin (18) :p

Y'know, perception goes a long way towards making or breaking buzz, especially when the likes of Hollywood Reporter say Warners was casting 19 and 20 years olds for JL. True or not, the perception among those who were aware of the production was that it was being cast with a bunch of young nobodies, and that didn't sit well with anybody, apparently.

And this...

The horrible script?
Who read it apart from the executives who ranked it as one of the best of 2007?...And the Catwoman script never ended in the Script blacklist as the JL one.Is contradictory at best. If the script was so good, why'd it end up on a "blacklist?" (Never heard that, but whatever.)

When the film was first teased as being in development, the consensus seemed generally positive. Big budget. Known production team. FX house. Costumes. The works. Then things got shaky with conflicting information about the script, which had been touted as no less than awesome on a stick by people such as Greg I'm-so-confused Noveck, Senior Vice President of Creative Affairs @ DC Comics...

10/17/07

GREGORY NOVECK: The reason that Justice League is powering forward first [before MOS] is because the script came in and it was phenomenal.

VOICES FROM KRYPTON: It's really that good?

GREGORY NOVECK: It is, and that very rarely happens in Hollywood on a movie of this scale, and when it does you have no choice but to say, “We'd better catch lightning in a bottle and go!” All of a sudden, six months later, who knows what's going to happen? You want to hold on to those writers, you've got massive interest from directors, you land someone like George Miller, so you go...

http://www.voicesfromkrypton.com/2007/10/dcs-gregory-nov.html


Opinion changed fast, I guess. Maybe somebody actually read it at some point, I dunno? :whatever:

I was all for a JL film. I didn't have any issues with there being casting "confusion" with other established franchises (Superman, Batman, or even Smallville.) I didn't have any issues with George Miller, the production team, rumored script elements or character choices. The cast however, left a lot to be desired, and that's an understatement. To this day, people still b**** about Gale, and lets not even mention Hammer or Cotrona. And no, it's not just fanboys - unless the entire internet is populated by them.

Then again... maybe it is? :dry:

*goes back to happy place*

[Docker2.0]

Get back in here and make great points Pat! :cmad:

[Antonello Blueberry]

You forgot Anton Yelchin (18) :p

Y'know, perception goes a long way towards making or breaking buzz, especially when the likes of Hollywood Reporter say Warners was casting 19 and 20 years olds for JL. True or not, the perception among those who were aware of the production was that it was being cast with a bunch of young nobodies, and that didn't sit well with anybody, apparently.

Perception. I got shivers down my spine when I think some people endorse wars based on "perceptions". And anyway Yelchin, who was mentioned only on SHH!, was cast to be Wally West, who's supposed to be younger than the other heroes.


Is contradictory at best. If the script was so good, why'd it end up on a "blacklist?" (Never heard that, but whatever.)
It's a list compiled by agents and executives of the best scripts in the market for the year.
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/black-list-2007-1-danny-strongs-recount/

It only got two mentions, probably due to the facts that not being a spec script, it wasn't available to lots of people.

[jayskate]

The contradiction with Warners , is that on one hand they or the creative teams behind Batman Begins , The Dark Knight , The 300 and Watchman show they can deliver really cool films .

Yet for Superman and the JLA , they get caught in circles .

[Antonello Blueberry]

The contradiction with Warners , is that on one hand they or the creative teams behind Batman Begins , The Dark Knight , The 300 and Watchman show they can deliver really cool films .

Yet for Superman and the JLA , they get caught in circles .

Have you seen the JLA movie already?

[Ultimate_Superman]

I think the problem that most people have is the bad choice to play Bats and Supes, the horrible script(though it's rumored to be changed), the film being rushed, not to mention that guys playing the heroes except Gale and Common LOOK like teens. That's why its called Teen JLA.
Oh! Marvel rejecting the script by the Smallville writers was brilliant. You see the BO results. I love Smallville(though it's sucking now)but Favreau and Marvel are doing a great job with their movies.

You forgot Anton Yelchin (18) :p

Y'know, perception goes a long way towards making or breaking buzz, especially when the likes of Hollywood Reporter say Warners was casting 19 and 20 years olds for JL. True or not, the perception among those who were aware of the production was that it was being cast with a bunch of young nobodies, and that didn't sit well with anybody, apparently.

And this...

Is contradictory at best. If the script was so good, why'd it end up on a "blacklist?" (Never heard that, but whatever.)

When the film was first teased as being in development, the consensus seemed generally positive. Big budget. Known production team. FX house. Costumes. The works. Then things got shaky with conflicting information about the script, which had been touted as no less than awesome on a stick by people such as Greg I'm-so-confused Noveck, Senior Vice President of Creative Affairs @ DC Comics...
10/17/07

GREGORY NOVECK: The reason that Justice League is powering forward first [before MOS] is because the script came in and it was phenomenal.

VOICES FROM KRYPTON: It's really that good?

GREGORY NOVECK: It is, and that very rarely happens in Hollywood on a movie of this scale, and when it does you have no choice but to say, “We'd better catch lightning in a bottle and go!” All of a sudden, six months later, who knows what's going to happen? You want to hold on to those writers, you've got massive interest from directors, you land someone like George Miller, so you go...

http://www.voicesfromkrypton.com/2007/10/dcs-gregory-nov.html
Opinion changed fast, I guess. Maybe somebody actually read it at some point, I dunno? :whatever:

I was all for a JL film. I didn't have any issues with there being casting "confusion" with other established franchises (Superman, Batman, or even Smallville.) I didn't have any issues with George Miller, the production team, rumored script elements or character choices. The cast however, left a lot to be desired, and that's an understatement. To this day, people still b**** about Gale, and lets not even mention Hammer or Cotrona. And no, it's not just fanboys - unless the entire internet is populated by them.

Then again... maybe it is? :dry:

*goes back to happy place*The script for Justice League was bad because when the script was first done and the one that got the movie the green light in the first place was suppose to tie Superman Returns and Batman Begins together and put them together with the whole Justice League. The problem was Nolan and Singer didn't want that and put up a huge fight over it. Therefore they had to do a complete 360 and it just didn't work for them. That is what happened to the killer script they once had. It's a shame I would have loved to see how they could get Singer's Superman and Nolan's Batman to fit into the same setting.

[Ultimate_Superman]

The contradiction with Warners , is that on one hand they or the creative teams behind Batman Begins , The Dark Knight , The 300 and Watchman show they can deliver really cool films .

Yet for Superman and the JLA , they get caught in circles .People from DC Comics was just as involved with Superman Returns as they were with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Thats why I don't get these sigs saying the WB is run by idiots. Many people say Superman would never act the way he did in Superman Reutrns and then I tell those people go read Superman: For Tomorrow and that is the Superman you got in Superman Returns. I can understand people being upset with certain movies but then again is this really a surprise if you follow comic book sales Marvel kicks DC butt every time. Hell Superman isn't even a top 10 selling comic book anymore he barely even makes the top 20 and that is DC running things so whats the problem there? Is DC run by idiots as well? Smallville isn't that great or as loved as it use to be so what if they took SV to the big screen under the name Superman it wouldn't have done that much better. The fact of the matter is Marvel for the past 20 years have been kicking DC butt be it in movies with X-Men, Spider-Man, Iron Man, etc and in cartoons (when they had them) X-Men, Spider-Man, Hulk, Iron Man. Which is why I say the problem is not that the WB is run by idiots it is just that more people like their heroes then they do DC and there is nothing wrong with that. Iron Man got a huge push with the Iron Spidey suit, Civil War and being tied into the Death of Captain America arc and is now the head of S.H.I.E.L.D. so yes he is going to do well. Superman and Batman are going to pull the numbers they have been getting mainly because people just don't care to much about them right now. Its not because Routh is Superman or because Superman was to dark or had little action or that people were still upset by Batman and Robin or that Batman Begins had little action. It's just that people don't care and that is reflected by their comic sales which in turn gives the buzz for why this person is cool. Now all that may change however with The Dark Knight mainly because you have the last movie made by Heath Ledger which was a very public death and that will play in favor for this movie. Had he not died The Dark Knight would have probably made at most 250 million and would the WB still be run by idiots when Iron Man is doing 300 mil + and The Dark Knight would have only done 250 (will still probably the numbers it will make because it is to dark for kids). Thats why I say be it Routh, Welling, Bale, or who ever the results would have stilled turn out the same because no one cares about DC's Heroes any more and haven't for a while now.

[Docker2.0]

Yes the WB is still run by idiots. :o

[RakuMon]

The difference between DC and Marvel? I posted this in the Talon originally:

You know the difference between the producers behind Marvel movies and the, to paraphrase trip, idiots at WB? Marvel gets their comic writers in a room together with their filmmakers and brainstorm ideas and cherry pick the best bits for a movie. The reason a second tier Marvel character like Iron Man (or a seventh tier one like Blade) can make a mint at the B.O. while A-listers like Wonder Woman, Flash and GL can't even get off the ground.

Check out what Brian Michael Bendis (writer of Ultimate Spider-Man) had to say about the "brain trust" that was formed for Iron Man:

(WARNING: there's an Iron Man spoiler in the link)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16292

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OK!! so, because the veil of secrecy has been lifted and because i can smell this coming up on every rumor blog there is... part 2 of the 'iron man movie secrets i have been holding in for over a year' posts!

before the iron man movie was set to film but way into active pre production, i, and others, got a super secret call asking if we'd read the iron man script as it existed and come to the set for what is now referred to as the iron man brain trust. we were hand picked by jon f. and kevin f. for our unique takes on the character.

i was there, mark millar, axel, joe, tom and a few others who may or may not want me airing thier biz. we were flown out and brought to the stages which were the howard hughes spruce goose warehouses. (which in itself was awesome)

we were brought through the sets and the armor as they were being built and met the entire staff. all of which was filmed for the dvd. i have no idea if it will make it in. i half hope it doesn't. i wasn't my usual glam self.

we then sat in a big room with the marvel guys and jon f. all day and went through everything. we talked about everything. every inch of it. we looked at the spx houses demo reels audtioning for the job. and yes the best reel got the gig, obviously.

truth told. the script was in pretty damn good shape at this stage. but that wasn't the point. the point to me is a good idea is a good idea and a bad one is a bad one, doesn't matter where it came from. there is a lesson here.

irregardless of my participation... the fact that this brain trust was even created showed such intense respect for the character and it's legacy. a half hour into the meeting i was so happy to be in the room i was going to burst. comic creators not being treated like the second class porn peddlars we used to treated like but actual writers. it was very cool.

i am thrilled this movie hit. from my eyes they did everything right and for once in hollywood that was rewarded.

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Is it any wonder that Batman Begins was successful because it had a director who was willing to consult with a known comics guy like David Goyer to fashion his superhero film? Instead of demanding his singular vision be dictated on screen?

And if you look at Smallville, most people's favorite seasons were two and three. And not coincidentally, those were the seasons in which Jeph Loeb was the head writer. Even DeKnight has talked about being the sole voice of (comics) reason in the writers room at times.

If WB is serious about doing profitable movies, they need to take a cue from Marvel. The one advantage that DC always had was that all of its characters were under one roof. (Unlike Marvel which had licensed its biggest names to different studios.)
Well, that ain't the case any more. The success of Iron Man proves that a faitful adaptation of the comics that is well acted and has a great cast and crew can be box office gold. Why WB can't get their act together with all of the iconic characters they have under their belt is a mystery that the world's greatest detective couldn't even solve.

[Syncos]

The fact of the matter is Marvel for the past 20 years have been kicking DC butt be it in movies with X-Men, Spider-Man, Iron Man, etc and in cartoons (when they had them) X-Men, Spider-Man, Hulk, Iron Man. Which is why I say the problem is not that the WB is run by idiots it is just that more people like their heroes then they do DC and there is nothing wrong with that.

Whoa whoa whoa. Hold your horses there, buddy. I grew up in that era, watching the animated series of both competitors. and Marvel's series never even came close to anything of the timmverse. You could argue that it was because of Bruce Timm and not DC, but putting Timm in charge was an executive decision done by WB.

[Antonello Blueberry]

The difference between DC and Marvel? I posted this in the Talon originally:
Do you know who are the writers for the Green Lantern movie? And John August consulted with Geoff Johns before writing his Captain Marvel script.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Whoa whoa whoa. Hold your horses there, buddy. I grew up in that era, watching the animated series of both competitors. and Marvel's series never even came close to anything of the timmverse. You could argue that it was because of Bruce Timm and not DC, but putting Timm in charge was an executive decision done by WB.See here is where you can make a good argument about these series because IMO and as much as I love Superman I felt that X-Men: TAS and Spider-Man: TAS were better then Superman: TAS. IMO also I think X-Men were much better then the first two seasons of Justice League (Story wise). IMO Justice Leauge became real good when it went from JL to JLU where in JLU you had more mature storyline and opened yourself up to the whole DCU.

[AgentPat]

Perception. I got shivers down my spine when I think some people endorse wars based on "perceptions".:huh:

Well y'know, I also dislike sweet potatoes, which is rather embarrassing around Thanksgiving since it's a standard side dish on that day. I always leave 'em on my plate, which is kind of ironic considering the nature of that holiday, y'know?



Wait? Where were we? Oh yes, movies and entertainment...

And anyway Yelchin, who was mentioned only on SHH!, was cast to be Wally West, who's supposed to be younger than the other heroes.And? He was still young, and that's the point. THR listed quite a few thesps as auditioning for various roles, and most of them were very young, hence the perception of a teen JLA.

But y'know what? It doesn't matter. More than likely, I still would have seen the film. I think others would have too. The reviews would have had to be absolutely horrific (professional as well as lay), and the cast would have had to be the most pathetic looking line-up ever for general audiences to say thanks but no thanks.

It's a list compiled by agents and executives of the best scripts in the market for the year.
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/black-list-2007-1-danny-strongs-recount/

It only got two mentions, probably due to the facts that not being a spec script, it wasn't available to lots of people.Ah, so in this case, "blacklist" means good. Well, I guess that supports people's opinions then, because Warners had a great script but changed it at the eleventh hour due to poor planning/communication. For something that's the foundation of a 200 million dollar investment, that makes them "idiots."

Look, I don't believe Warners is run by idiots for real. I think the label is hyperbole and one clearly born out of frustration with a studio that doesn't seem to know its ass from its elbow when it comes to planning a thigh-slappingly good, edge-of-your-seat entertaining superhero flick.

[Mikelus]

Antonello, amico italiano, thank goodness JL is apparently going nowhere, the rumored cast was terrible! They need older actors, that really look the part, Cotrona as Superman is a joke, Brody is too skinny for the Flash, Hammer is too young, etc. Even the title Justice League Mortal is wrong, WB has to rethink everything again. They can do it right, but it takes time, is better to wait a couple of years, after the Batman and Superman sequels are done.

Ciao!

[Docker2.0]

Whoa whoa whoa. Hold your horses there, buddy. I grew up in that era, watching the animated series of both competitors. and Marvel's series never even came close to anything of the timmverse. You could argue that it was because of Bruce Timm and not DC, but putting Timm in charge was an executive decision done by WB.
I actually agree with USM when he says that the Xmen and Spidey cartoons were better than the Bats and Supes. That being said, we can all say that Spidey and the Xmen ARGUEBLY had a better series at the time.

[RakuMon]

Do you know who are the writers for the Green Lantern movie? And John August consulted with Geoff Johns before writing his Captain Marvel script.

Well, the most recent updates speculated Marc Guggenheim was writing a script. And I had heard rumors about Johns’ involvement with Shazam, but the point is both of those movies are stuck in development hell. Same goes for Wonder Woman and Flash. The point is that the DC-based movies that have actually moved forward in the last few years have been lacking compared to the progress Marvel has made.

[blksuperman2]

Whoa whoa whoa. Hold your horses there, buddy. I grew up in that era, watching the animated series of both competitors. and Marvel's series never even came close to anything of the timmverse. You could argue that it was because of Bruce Timm and not DC, but putting Timm in charge was an executive decision done by WB.

I concur. As much as I loved both X-men & Spider-man TAS they both couldn't come close to the timm/dini-verse DC animations. As far as the art was concern Marvel was better but IMO nothing topped Batman TAS. The stories and feel of every episode was just epic. Probably one of the best animated TV series ever.

IMO of course:cwink:.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Well, the most recent updates speculated Marc Guggenheim was writing a script. And I had heard rumors about Johns’ involvement with Shazam, but the point is both of those movies are stuck in development hell. Same goes for Wonder Woman and Flash. The point is that the DC-based movies that have actually moved forward in the last few years have been lacking compared to the progress Marvel has made.
Let's do this in order:

It's not "speculated" that Marc Guggenheim is writing a script. He's delivering a first draft he wrote with Greg Berlanti and Michael Green.
Shazam and Green Lantern are not in development hell. They are instead in active development, as they have scripts and directors attached. For Shazam there might be some problems due to the fact that New Line was reorganized, but the project is still far from development hell.
The same goes for Wonder Woman who now has new writers on board.
For Flash I think they stopped the development when they decided to go on with the Justice League and use the "passing of the torch" in that movie.Anyway you have to remind that Iron Man has been in development hell since the early 90's changing studios, directors and screenwriters and stars. The same happened to Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man and the X-Men.
And Warner Bros has a library of characters and properties far larger than the DC Universe to choose from.
But I'm sure you are all smarter than the people at Warner, so you can keep on saying they're all idiots.

[Mikelus]

Talking about being smarter, Superman Returns could've been a lot better if WB would've done this:

- A different supervillain to confront Superman, like Brainiac, instead of repeating the lame schemes of Lex Luthor.
- Clark telling the truth to Lois, no Richard, no Jason. Just Clark and Lois dealing with how to be a couple when Superman has to save the day.
- Keeping Christopher Reeve's suit, same design, maybe just a little darker, not the cheap looking, horrible suit Singer & co. did.

WB can be really moronic sometimes, they're human after all, but they better get their act together if they don't want to be humiliated by Marvel.

[b24]

did anyone notice Smallville refrence in SR

there was scene in ssesaon 3 spisode Relic where Jorlel tells louise that "where he is from is much diffrent than here and u see colours u have never seen before "

louis replies "u almost had me there "

then Jor el lifts louis in the mid air and they float above the ground and when louis looks down she getts little bit scared and hugs Jorel

there was similar scene in SR when superman meets loin on roof of DP and where superman lifts lois in the mid air same like in Smalville

[Ultimate_Superman]

Talking about being smarter, Superman Returns could've been a lot better if WB would've done this:

- A different supervillain to confront Superman, like Brainiac, instead of repeating the lame schemes of Lex Luthor.
- Clark telling the truth to Lois, no Richard, no Jason. Just Clark and Lois dealing with how to be a couple when Superman has to save the day.
- Keeping Christopher Reeve's suit, same design, maybe just a little darker, not the cheap looking, horrible suit Singer & co. did.

WB can be really moronic sometimes, they're human after all, but they better get their act together if they don't want to be humiliated by Marvel.I agree with most of what you said here only you could have kept Richard and Lois being engaged to him and it still would have fell under the same tone of your Superman Returns story.

[musclesforsupes]

Triplet Shout out? :P


BTW: Serious for a second anyone going to the Superman convention in metropolis IL in June? Me, my wife, and my friend are going up there and would love to meet up with some long time superherohype.com members and chat. I've been here for a while and feel like I know alot of you guys so hey if your gonna be up that way, pm me here and let me know!

[Billy Batson]

There is a petition for all Smallville and Superman fans alike to show their support for actor Tom Welling and let the WB know that we want Tom Welling to be Superman!
Along with the petition, we are launching "Operation: Stop the Monkey Business" For a donation of only $3, you can send a 6" stuffed monkey to Alan Horn or Jeff Robinov. Each monkey will be tagged with the SaveSuperman.com logo and can be customized with a special message from the sender. There will be two versions giving senders a choice. A regular one with just the logo or one holding a sign that reads "Welling for Superman". And as the sponsors of this movement, we will match the number sent by fans!! That's right!! For each monkey you send to WB, we will add an additional monkey to the box!! Signatures are one thing but an office full of monkeys really gets the point across.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/superflytees/monkeybanner.jpg

Please visit: http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html and http://www.savesuperman.com/home

[Pickle-El]

Can't believe people are still buying into that particular endeavor....nice way to make some cash off Smallville fans....gotta hand it to Emi, she sure knows what she's doing.

[Antonello Blueberry]

There is a petition for all Smallville and Superman fans alike to show their support for actor Tom Welling and let the WB know that we want Tom Welling to be Superman!
Along with the petition, we are launching "Operation: Stop the Monkey Business" For a donation of only $3, you can send a 6" stuffed monkey to Alan Horn or Jeff Robinov. Each monkey will be tagged with the SaveSuperman.com logo and can be customized with a special message from the sender.
And how much money will Steve and Emi milk out of the fans for this petition?
30 cent for every monkey?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Can't believe people are still buying into that particular endeavor....nice way to make some cash off Smallville fans....gotta hand it to Emi, she sure knows what she's doing.

And how much money will Steve and Emi milk out of the fans for this petition?
30 cent for every monkey?I have to agree here this is just throwing away money to a girl who is trying to hold ont to her 15 min of internet fame.

[LL2K2]

Sounds right in the line of Jericho's fans sending peanuts to CBS and Moonlight's fans donating blood, all in efforts to save their shows.

Despite these efforts, unfortunately, neither show is returning for 2008-09.

In other words, I commend you guys for your effort, but I fear it may be all for nothing. Even if you send 10,000 bears to Horn and Robinov and get 3000 sigs on that petition, I don't think they'll be swayed that easily.

[RickO'Connell]

Despite these efforts, unfortunately, neither show is returning for 2008-09.


To be fair on Jericho's side if it were not for the fans the fans would have been stuck with a really ****ty ending

[Cmill216]

How about "Operation: Give Clark Kent His Show Back"?

[TheComicbookKid]

How about "Operation: Give Clark Kent His Show Back"?

:woot::woot::woot::woot:

I haven't watched a full episode of Smallville really since the last ep of 2007, but I hoped to give it a chance with next season. Now I'm just seeing the same kind of stuff that ruined my other favorite shows in their last seasons, like That 70s show.

[LL2K2]

How about "Operation: Give Clark Kent His Show Back"?

Hah! :D There's actually a fanbase and site with that theme in mind. And its name is pretty close to what you said.

[The Incredible Hulk]

There is a petition for all Smallville and Superman fans alike to show their support for actor Tom Welling and let the WB know that we want Tom Welling to be Superman!
Along with the petition, we are launching "Operation: Stop the Monkey Business" For a donation of only $3, you can send a 6" stuffed monkey to Alan Horn or Jeff Robinov. Each monkey will be tagged with the SaveSuperman.com logo and can be customized with a special message from the sender. There will be two versions giving senders a choice. A regular one with just the logo or one holding a sign that reads "Welling for Superman". And as the sponsors of this movement, we will match the number sent by fans!! That's right!! For each monkey you send to WB, we will add an additional monkey to the box!! Signatures are one thing but an office full of monkeys really gets the point across.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/superflytees/monkeybanner.jpg

Please visit: http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html and http://www.savesuperman.com/home

not sure I get what the "monkey business" thing means in regards to the Superman films? :huh: Granted Singerman was a giant, steaming pile or turd but what's the "monkey business?" At least with the Jericho thing that peanuts made sense in the context of the show. This just baffles me. It'd make more sense to get ziploc bags printed up with the :supes: on it, and have everyone crap in it and send it to Horn and Robinov. Would be more appropriate.

[LastSunrise1981]

Didn't Welling already say that he didn't want to do a Superman movie? I remember he was considered for SR and he flat out said he didn't want to do it.

I do have a question though. When will Smallville stop messing around and just put him in the suit for the show as a finale?

[b24]

i can understand why TW doesn't want to be typecasted in superman's role

take Christopher reev for example he was such a great actor and he did good work outside his superman role too but throughout his whole career he couldn't get out of superman's image and he was motsly remember for his work in superman movies

not only chritopher reeve but any other actor who had played superman's role have been typecasted in that image for example dean cain and george reeve

even Brandon routh seems like following the same trend yes he will do other work but sadly he has been typecasted as Superman alraedy

so do u blame TW for asking producers to not to put him in suit

heck if i m TW i would have done the same thing i would have tsrated shooting later but ask for agreemnet of me not putting a suit

HOWEVER TW should not have any problem putting on suit for LAST 5 OR 10 minutes i m sure even he knows that


playing superhero on big screen is risky buisness for your career yes movie will make lots of money and will make u overnight star but then what

Take Tobey maguire for example he will be known as guy who played spiderman

or take daniel radielfe he will known as Harry potter

[JackMercy]

Didn't Welling already say that he didn't want to do a Superman movie? I remember he was considered for SR and he flat out said he didn't want to do it.

:huh:












:lmao:














:lmao::lmao:





Man, I'm just not even going to try explaining anymore...

Can't we have a FAQ or something, with this conspiracy theory as the number one point?

:word:

[b24]

i think TW was considered for superman's role IN SR but he wasn't aproached for the role so he didn't actually say "no" to the role

when bryan singer was signed he wanstde unknown face so he signed Brandon routh

[triplet]

:huh:

:lmao:


:lmao::lmao:





Man, I'm just not even going to try explaining anymore...

Can't we have a FAQ or something, with this conspiracy theory as the number one point?

:word:

LOL!

Too funny, but I think we should have a FAQ... It's amazing how this piece of misinformation has somehow become gospel, but it's kinda like his two middle names.

Something like that gets out there and people believe it and pretty big media outlets report he has two middle names even though there is pretty good evidence he only has one middle name like most Americans.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2674/wellingyearbook7gy.jpg

His DGA listing even has just the J, just so you know.

[dark_b]

so basicly by sending the monkeys they insult WB with a message ''you are monkeys''. and then they expect that WB will listen to them? to the people who are insulting them?

i wont even start about the money that people are sending to them.

[Billy Batson]

even Brandon routh seems like following the same trend yes he will do other work but sadly he has been typecasted as Superman already

^ :wow:
Are you serious?
:lmao:


The efforts of SaveSuperman.com have recently been mentioned in Variety.com's comic/film blog "Bags and Boards".

Here's what they had to say...

SUPERMAN FANS PROTEST: With the huge success of "Iron Man" and the subsequent announcement of release dates for a bunch of Marvel movies through 2011 has a lot of fans wondering how DC Comics and its parent company Warner Bros. have fallen so far behind in the comics movie derby. If Marvel can do "Iron Man," why can't DC/WB do something similar with say, The Flash or Green Lantern? Even with "The Dark Knight," for which everyone seems to have sky-high expectations, fans are down on DC movies. One site, www.savesuperman.com has started a petition and campaign aimed at convincing WB to completely reboot the Superman film franchise rather than proceed with another outing from director Bryan Singer and star Brandon Routh. A separate petition also is pushing "Smallville" star Tom Welling to play the Man of Steel. Taking a cue from the WGA's pencil tactic, fans also are contributing money to a campaign called "Stop the Monkey Business," which will send 6-inch stuffed monkeys to WB execs Alan Horn and Jeff Robinov. Monkeys go out with a sign that includes the sender's choice of a Superman logo or "Welling for Superman."

[b24]

i think BR did decent as superman But main hack was BRYAN SINGER

he compeletly ruined superman's image he wasn't suppsed to be depressed emo superhero who doesn't even smile or is in light mood

throughout SR u see superman in very dark seriuous modd which superman is NOT and of couyrse lack of action in SR which was main complaint by many

i say keep BR as superman but sign some better director who understands what or who superman is and should be

[Ultimate_Superman]

i think BR did decent as superman But main hack was BRYAN SINGER

he compeletly ruined superman's image he wasn't suppsed to be depressed emo superhero who doesn't even smile or is in light mood

throughout SR u see superman in very dark seriuous modd which superman is NOT and of couyrse lack of action in SR which was main complaint by many

i say keep BR as superman but sign some better director who understands what or who superman is and should behttp://www.starstore.com/acatalog/FOR_TOMORROW_1.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_For_Tomorrow)

[b24]

^^^ well do u think that type superman would work on big screen

[LastSunrise1981]

:huh:












:lmao:














:lmao::lmao:





Man, I'm just not even going to try explaining anymore...

Can't we have a FAQ or something, with this conspiracy theory as the number one point?

:word:

Not everyone lives or breaths Smallville :whatever:. I remember very vividly on the Superman Returns board that Welling was approached before Singer got on board and he flat out said he didn't want to do it.

[triplet]

Not everyone lives or breaths Smallville :whatever:. I remember very vividly on the Superman Returns board that Welling was approached before Singer got on board and he flat out said he didn't want to do it.

And who told you that?

Welling said in his Carson Daily appearance the year before that he'd been to Brett Ratner's house and had been talking to him about the film which would have been before Singer signed on (I believe that was in December 2003, when he was pushing the first Cheaper film).

I think all he'd said that it was a very "big idea" to be in a film like that... I don't believe he'd ever flat out said he didn't want to do it.

I think the fact that he had been talking to a previous director on the project and had even spent time with the man at his house shows he at least had some interest in the part.

[jpmuftak]

LOL!

Too funny, but I think we should have a FAQ... It's amazing how this piece of misinformation has somehow become gospel, but it's kinda like his two middle names.

Something like that gets out there and people believe it and pretty big media outlets report he has two middle names even though there is pretty good evidence he only has one middle name like most Americans.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2674/wellingyearbook7gy.jpg

His DGA listing even has just the J, just so you know.

I know you're trying to prove a point...(which I agree with by the way)...but that picture is so not the "proof" you need.
The text obviously fake as there are no names under ANY of the other pics.

[Serene]

Not everyone lives or breaths Smallville :whatever:. I remember very vividly on the Superman Returns board that Welling was approached before Singer got on board and he flat out said he didn't want to do it.

There are a lot of things said on "Superman Returns board"s about Welling.

It's best not to believe them all. ;)

[Docker2.0]

Actually Welling had a dinner with Singer about the part of Supes before Routh was announced. Welling never said no he just had Smallville on his plate and he seemed focused on it. And we all know how Gough and Miller seemed to be dead set against Welling playing the part. He never said no...........it was just a bad period of time.

[triplet]

I know you're trying to prove a point...(which I agree with by the way)...but that picture is so not the "proof" you need.
The text obviously fake as there are no names under ANY of the other pics.

No, actually it is.

If you look closer, you'll see that the text of the other names was "erased" digitally...

There are little blurs under their images. You might have to save a copy to your hard drive and look at it in a image editor zoomed in a lot....

[b24]

SR tanked at box office anyway (domestically)

so it's not TW's lost :)

[Ultimate_Superman]

SR tanked at box office anyway (domestically)

so it's not TW's lost :)
Not really SR did pretty good box office wise for a Superhero movie with little to no action. I could understand saying it tanked it the movie was action packed but with no action at all I am pretty surprised it made what it did make. Thats the way I look at it anyways.

[TheLongestDay]

Not really SR did pretty good box office wise for a Superhero movie with little to no action. I could understand saying it tanked it the movie was action packed but with no action at all I am pretty surprised it made what it did make. Thats the way I look at it anyways.

the money it did make was because of the fact that it was a new Superman movie-people went to see it expecting something great...

[Ultimate_Superman]

the money it did make was because of the fact that it was a new Superman movie-people went to see it expecting something great...Well then please explain to me how and why it did so great in video sales as well then? Plus if it was as bad as a movie as some of you state it would not have made 200 million and would not have people demanding a sequel or even interested in a sequel.

[Prison Mike]

the only people interested in a sequel are the die hard Superman fans or just SR fans. But if you ask any regular joe on the street, I bet they wouldn't care or may not even recall the movie. The movie isn't that memorable.

[Ultimate_Superman]

the only people interested in a sequel are the die hard Superman fans or just SR fans. But if you ask any regular joe on the street, I bet they wouldn't care or may not even recall the movie. The movie isn't that memorable.Thats because really the average joe wouldn't have cared if they made a sequel to Spider-Man, Iron Man, Superman, Batman, etc. The average joe is more like if they make it fine if they don't okay. Hell the average joe on the street could careless if Tom Welling ever put on the suit and became Superman.

[Mostpowerful]

Actually Welling had a dinner with Singer about the part of Supes before Routh was announced. Welling never said no he just had Smallville on his plate and he seemed focused on it. And we all know how Gough and Miller seemed to be dead set against Welling playing the part. He never said no...........it was just a bad period of time.

Not true. Singer himself said it in an interview that Welling was never considered. He always wanted an unknown.

edit: yeah, it was in Starlog (August #348)


Not really SR did pretty good box office wise for a Superhero movie with little to no action. I could understand saying it tanked it the movie was action packed but with no action at all I am pretty surprised it made what it did make. Thats the way I look at it anyways.

Exactly. If nobody liked it, then why it sold well on dvd, right? And remember that the Superman Ultimate Collection was sold out, which included SR. I know lots of people who bought it because it included SR, myself for instance.


Thats because really the average joe wouldn't have cared if they made a sequel to Spider-Man, Iron Man, Superman, Batman, etc. The average joe is more like if they make it fine if they don't okay. Hell the average joe on the street could careless if Tom Welling ever put on the suit and became Superman.

True. They watch a movie, and if they like it they might watch it again and move on...unlike us. Actually, I was one of those people before watching SR. :o

[KBX]

Thats because really the average joe wouldn't have cared if they made a sequel to Spider-Man, Iron Man, Superman, Batman, etc. The average joe is more like if they make it fine if they don't okay. Hell the average joe on the street could careless if Tom Welling ever put on the suit and became Superman.

The average joe or movie-goer would care if the made a sequel to a movie that they liked. Those average joes saw Batman, Ironman, Spider-man and instantly wanted a sequel, Superman no so much.

[b24]

i m sorry to say but SR overwall totall disapointment for these resaons-

1.movie was quite similar to 1st Superman movie people didn't wanna see "remake" or orginal

2. LEX yes he is cunning evil BUT they spent 258 millions on movie and yet they couldn't get doomsday, Briniac and even Zod or parasite

3. "Land mis lane" this summrazies how this whole "land " thing is getting repetive that it's not funny

4. we never see superman usuing his power at full potential most of the time we see him flying around saving some people jumping from building stakling lois where are freaking other powers

5. bastard child- who, what wher how, what?????? i mean superbastard child ?????

6 climax was very tame and lame it was quite similar to 1st superman movie cmmon sho some big a&7 climax which showes money well spent

7. too much focus on Romance we get it he loves lois but move ON already

8. when CHICKFLICK movie The Devild's Wers Prada gives tough comptetition to MEGA BUDGET SUPERMAN MOVIE u know there is something terribaly wrong

i hope SR doesn't repeat same mistakes and give us fans of superman what we really want

[LL2K2]

i m sorry to say but SR overwall totall disapointment for these resaons-

1.movie was quite similar to 1st Superman movie people didn't wanna see "remake" or orginal

Coincidental.

2. LEX yes he is cunning evil BUT they spent 258 millions on movie and yet they couldn't get doomsday, Briniac and even Zod or parasite

Zod's already been done. Twice. And for the last time, the budget was not what you said it was. Warners said themselves the budget was just over $200 million.

4. we never see superman usuing his power at full potential most of the time we see him flying around saving some people jumping from building stakling lois where are freaking other powers

Don't tell me you overlooked the New Krypton scene. He exerted every OUNCE of his strength to lift that massive rock. And it was even lined with Kryptonite. AND, the K was weakening Superman. If that's not full potential, I don't know what is.

5. bastard child- who, what wher how, what?????? i mean superbastard child ?????

That brings up another question: do we really know Jason is super? Huh? Sure, there was the bit with the piano. Sure, there was Superman's speech at the end. But how do we know it wasn't adrenaline that enabled Jason to hurl the piano?

6 climax was very tame and lame it was quite similar to 1st superman movie cmmon sho some big a&7 climax which showes money well spent

Superman had no idea until it hit him - literally - that the island was riddled with Kryptonite.

Plus, there's a thing called sacrifice. Superman literally gave everything he had, every ounce of his great strength, to lift that massive rock. And it nearly cost him his LIFE!

7. too much focus on Romance we get it he loves lois but move ON already

He tried. But he couldn't. She was his first love, and it's often difficult to move on.

8. when CHICKFLICK movie The Devild's Wers Prada gives tough comptetition to MEGA BUDGET SUPERMAN MOVIE u know there is something terribaly wrong

Prada was the competition, but only in that first week. After that, it was all about Pirates. :mad:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Amazing how you guys manage to turn this into an SR WELLING SV ROUTH SINGER orgie.

[Docker2.0]

Not true. Singer himself said it in an interview that Welling was never considered. He always wanted an unknown.

edit: yeah, it was in Starlog (August #348)




Exactly. If nobody liked it, then why it sold well on dvd, right? And remember that the Superman Ultimate Collection was sold out, which included SR. I know lots of people who bought it because it included SR, myself for instance.




True. They watch a movie, and if they like it they might watch it again and move on...unlike us. Actually, I was one of those people before watching SR. :o

Before you try to call someone a liar or whatever, do your homework. Singer may have wanted a unknown but he still has bosses to answer to and even before casting calls was announced he had a well publicized dinner with Welling......what they talked about was not known. Never the less, the dinner took place.

[mellyM]

Look that movie sucked and thats all there is to it, Routh failed to make any real impact as the Superman for this generation, but the title of the thread doesn't say anything about Routh or Singer and this has been debated to death for years. Some people like the film and some people don't.

[COMPO]

5. bastard child- who, what wher how, what?????? i mean superbastard child ?????



Is there really any need to be harsh, theres no need to call a kid a bastard. you coudl have said he was born out of wedlock.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Look that movie sucked and thats all there is to it,

You sound so juvenile there :o

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/

That is a pretty clear cut good but not great film imo.

[Lighthouse]

Christ, someone just had to bring up SR. Keep it in its proper forum guys. This argument is ****ing ancient.

[AgentPat]

Ah yes, same ole goddamn crap, different year. :whatever:

[Cmill216]

In these days, the success of a tentpole superhero flick is measured by the studio's level of urgency in pushing the film into a franchise.

For example: Spider-Man was a phenomenon in 2002. They started prepping the sequel that same year. Batman Begins had major staying power in theatres in 2005 and performed brilliantly on home video. They started scouting locations for The Dark Knight the very next year.

So considering it's been two years, and there's been little movement for a Superman sequel, I think you have your answer as to whether or not Returns should be deemed "successful".

[AgentPat]

Despite the latest technology and new sources of revenue (ancillary or otherwise), I believe the old formula for successful film (domestic box office = or > 2x production budget) still applies. A "successful franchise" usually involve the same formula, typically recouped in the first two to three weeks of release, if not faster, which garners an order for a sequel right away. Some films do it in one week. Now THAT's a "successful" flick.

Be back later. I have pm's to reply to. :)

[musclesforsupes]

Good Late Evening,


I know I have not been online for a while, it is mostly due to the fact that I have a brand new job and I just cannot blog at work or I could get fired.

Okay on to the small bit of news I want to report. This past weekend me, my wife and my best friend drove from Macon, GA to Metropolis IL for the 30th annual Superman Celebration. We stayed till this morning (Sunday) and I just got back home and figured I would share this information with all my fellow Smallville hype members. If you were aware of the Superman Celebration in Metropolis, IL then you know that Allison Mack was one of the celebs attending the convention. Well yours truely, got a chance Saturday afternoon to get an autograph with her, she was very beautiful and everything I use to say about her is totally gone from my memory she is one of the nicest celebrities I have ever met, and she was especially nice for having a late flight into the convention. She signed my Superman Revised Edition book I purchased from Barnes and Nobles a few weeks back, and while I had her in front of me I asked her POINT BLANK as only MUSCLESFORSUPES the following "Do you ever think that Tom Welling will ever be Superman on the big screen" she answered me with the following WITH A SMILE AND A WINK "I don't think so" NOW that is not much news I know, however I wanted to ask her face to face and I did, and you know what I believe her. Sad to say I know, but she seemed to be sincere in her response and that she knows the fans want him as Superman.

Just wanted to tell you all this, you dont have to believe me but guess what I am looking at my autograph and got this news straight to my face and not from some blog website. Just wanted to share the news with you all.

Have a great evening.

Musclesforsupes.

[RickO'Connell]

I would think that this belongs in The Talon thread

[b24]

did she tell anything major about seseaon 8

[musclesforsupes]

She stated in season 8 she would have more scenes showing the use of her powers.

[Mikelus]

Good Late Evening,


I know I have not been online for a while, it is mostly due to the fact that I have a brand new job and I just cannot blog at work or I could get fired.

Okay on to the small bit of news I want to report. This past weekend me, my wife and my best friend drove from Macon, GA to Metropolis IL for the 30th annual Superman Celebration. We stayed till this morning (Sunday) and I just got back home and figured I would share this information with all my fellow Smallville hype members. If you were aware of the Superman Celebration in Metropolis, IL then you know that Allison Mack was one of the celebs attending the convention. Well yours truely, got a chance Saturday afternoon to get an autograph with her, she was very beautiful and everything I use to say about her is totally gone from my memory she is one of the nicest celebrities I have ever met, and she was especially nice for having a late flight into the convention. She signed my Superman Revised Edition book I purchased from Barnes and Nobles a few weeks back, and while I had her in front of me I asked her POINT BLANK as only MUSCLESFORSUPES the following "Do you ever think that Tom Welling will ever be Superman on the big screen" she answered me with the following WITH A SMILE AND A WINK "I don't think so" NOW that is not much news I know, however I wanted to ask her face to face and I did, and you know what I believe her. Sad to say I know, but she seemed to be sincere in her response and that she knows the fans want him as Superman.

Just wanted to tell you all this, you dont have to believe me but guess what I am looking at my autograph and got this news straight to my face and not from some blog website. Just wanted to share the news with you all.

Have a great evening.

Musclesforsupes.

Don't worry, I believe you. Tom Welling has never been the biggest Superman fan out there. He rejected the Clark Kent role a few times before finally accepting it, and has stated a few times in the past that he didn't wanted to wear the suit, what Allison said is just another proof of it. I don't blame Tom, he doesn't want to be typecasted afterall.

[Billy Batson]

Well she did wink, and i believe in the power of the dollar. The price is right he would don the tights. :cwink:

[Zorex]

I don't blame Tom, he doesn't want to be typecasted afterall.
And I do think it is a bit late for that. ((Also, it's "typecast.")

[Docker2.0]

Yes. Whether he or Routh fans want to admit it or not, he's Clark Kent.

[b24]

i agree that TW will be known as clark kent

like in CBTD movies he had similar role like clark kent that is rebelious son who doesn't get along with his father

In The Fog he tried to act diffrent from his clark knet mannerism and he suceeded to an extent (by the way The Fog did decent at box office even opened #1)

[b24]

Don't worry, I believe you. Tom Welling has never been the biggest Superman fan out there. He rejected the Clark Kent role a few times before finally accepting it, and has stated a few times in the past that he didn't wanted to wear the suit, what Allison said is just another proof of it. I don't blame Tom, he doesn't want to be typecasted afterall.

although he has never been superman fan but he said once that he liked superman movies and admired Christopher reeve

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Plus he used to dress as Superman in Halloween when he was a kid.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Maybe Tom doesn't like the idea of "Superboy" which is what he would be in the Smallville setting. Who knows how he would feel in a "Metropolis" setting playing Superman. It doesn't seem like he's going to be scoring roles all that big outside of Smallville so if he can play Superman he'd be crazy not too.

[triplet]

Maybe Tom doesn't like the idea of "Superboy" which is what he would be in the Smallville setting. Who knows how he would feel in a "Metropolis" setting playing Superman. It doesn't seem like he's going to be scoring roles all that big outside of Smallville so if he can play Superman he'd be crazy not too.

You have no idea of how big the roles are that Tom may or may not get...

I think you're underestimating him big time, but I suppose only time will tell.

[b24]

he will do goos in action movies or villian's role

i can see him playing villian's role in james bond movies

since he is very good when he plays bad guy like bizarro, RedK Clark

[Zorex]

There's no telling where Welling's career may or may not go after SVille, but I think it's pretty clear that most people would recognize him as Clark Kent (or Superman) from Smallville. After 7 years of the show, I think it's a little late for anyone to be using that "typecasting" argument anymore.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

he will do goos in action movies or villian's role

i can see him playing villian's role in james bond movies

since he is very good when he plays bad guy like bizarro, RedK Clark

Ya know, I actually thought he would have fit well as Indiana Jones son. I think he could pull off the hat.

[b24]

^^^ i agree infact he could pull of young indiana jones role if they make movie on young indian jones

[herolee10]

Here's a little something I put together featuring clips of Tom during his most shining Superman like moments on Smallville. Personally, other than the lana factor, I really don't see why ppl bash his character so much, especially after some of the things he's accomplished.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=5y90bUv90sw


Enjoy!

[TWistim]

Thanks for the vid. I really liked the pacing and the chosen heroic scenes. Great job!

[SpideyVille]

Here's a little something I put together featuring clips of Tom during his most shining Superman like moments on Smallville. Personally, other than the lana factor, I really don't see why ppl bash his character so much, especially after some of the things he's accomplished.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=5y90bUv90sw


Enjoy!
Great video. :up:
I like it, especially with the song choice, because it really shows how both Clark and Tom have changed since the beginning of the show. TW already had the look, but it's the way that he's matured as an actor that makes him not only a good Clark Kent, but also shows signs that he would make a great Superman.

[Syncos]

Here's a little something I put together featuring clips of Tom during his most shining Superman like moments on Smallville. Personally, other than the lana factor, I really don't see why ppl bash his character so much, especially after some of the things he's accomplished.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=5y90bUv90sw


Enjoy!

Very well edited video hero. I love it.

[herolee10]

Thanks for the vid. I really liked the pacing and the chosen heroic scenes. Great job!

Great video. :up:
I like it, especially with the song choice, because it really shows how both Clark and Tom have changed since the beginning of the show. TW already had the look, but it's the way that he's matured as an actor that makes him not only a good Clark Kent, but also shows signs that he would make a great Superman.

Very well edited video hero. I love it.

thanks a lot guys for your comments. I really appreciate them.

[ariellem]

Two thumbs up from me too :->

[Bruce_Wayne29]

There's a poll in www.supermanhomepage.com asking people to vote in what they think is the worst Superman movie of all time. Make your opinion count !

[Webhead2006]

to bad you have to be a member.....

[Cmill216]

Superman IV. Who needs a poll?

[Pickle-El]

Superman IV. Who needs a poll?

At least there's a superfight.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/358/superman42xo.png

[Doright]

At least there's a superfight.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/358/superman42xo.png

Great thanks.. Just after I had finally blocked that memory from my mind. :oldrazz:

[Lighthouse]

Not exactly Tom Welling news, but I thought you guys might find it interesting.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117988775.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

Warner, DC hold superhero summit
Strategy in works for comic catalog
By DAVID S. COHEN
It’s not quite a gathering of the Justice League, but there’s a superhero summit under way at Warner Bros.

Warners and sibling DC Comics are holding high-level talks to hammer out a master strategy for their stable of superheroes.

Warners has never had such a strategy, and there have long been complaints the studio has been slow to exploit a potential treasure trove of franchises. And while the studio is basking in critical love for “The Dark Knight,” it has watched studio rivals rake in big bucks from Marvel Comics characters, and Marvel itself get into the tentpole business.

While it’s assumed there will be another Batman pic, there’s been no formal announcement. And Warners has no movies based on the classic DC universe to preview at this year’s Comic-Con.

Warner has scripts it likes for “Justice League: Mortal,” which teams up classic DC characters, and “Green Lantern.” “Justice League” was close to getting a greenlight until the writers strike hit, and “Green Lantern” has gained heat lately.

All plans, though, depend on the course the studio charts in its summit.

The studio is keeping details of its meetings under wraps, but issued a statement saying, in part, “We’re constantly looking at how best to exploit the DC Comics characters and properties.”

But Warner and DC have often appeared lethargic in getting comic properties developed into films, with only Batman and Superman established in movies. In fact, Warners watchers may feel a certain deja vu, though, with all this talk of giving DC more attention.

Five years ago, WB was getting ready to hire someone to kickstart its development on the DC characters (Variety, July 14-20, 2003). WB said then that it was aware it could lose an entire generation of fans if it didn’t get its characters into the movies. “We’re not going to let that happen,” said a senior VP.

Warners has long been the only studio home for DC heroes. It must pass on any DC character before it can be licensed to another studio, and Warner almost never passes. It keeps the characters in development. (One exception: Summit recently acquired rights to DC/Wildstorm’s “Red” — not one of the classic titles fans have been clamoring for.)

Many recall the painful development attempts to revive the Superman franchise, as handfuls of scribes, directors and stars came and went. Tim Burton and Nicolas Cage famously had pricey pay-or-play deals that the studio had to cover when “Superman Lives” bit the dust.

To be fair, Warners has not ignored its DC legacy: Besides “The Dark Knight,” “300” helmer Zach Snyder’s adaptation of DC’s seminal “Watchmen” is slated for winter release. And DC characters have been more successful than Marvel’s in TV, most recently with “Smallville.”

Yet this year, Warner Bros. has been unable to point to anyone at the studio with responsibility for overseeing the DC characters. While DC’s senior VP of creative affairs Gregory Noveck pegs Warners toppers Jeff Robinov and Alan Horn as “the ultimate decisionmakers,” they’re the decisionmakers for pretty much everything at the studio, and neither is in a position to dive into active development of the DC universe.

Besides “Green Lantern,” which Greg Berlanti is set to write and direct, DC characters that are known to be in line to become movies include Wonder Woman, which Joel Silver has long had in development; and the Flash, which has David Dobkin attached to direct. There has also been internet chatter about an Aquaman movie, much of it inspired by references in HBO’s “Entourage” to a faux James Cameron-helmed “Aquaman” pic.

[Lighthouse]

Double post. The Hype is really taking a dump today.

[Ultimate_Superman]

The thing is I see them talking more about GL, Wonder Woman, Flash and Captain Marvel and Justice League and Green Arrow then Superman and Batman. I mean Superman and Batman are already established however I do think they might have DC come in and give their input on how to better both those two heroes but I see DC being more hands on with their other properties and becoming more hands on with the thrid Batman movie and thrid Superman movie (I say third Superman movie because they are now doing casting for Man Of Steel which means the script is down and everything is moving forward on it).

[KalKai]

Is that supposed to be a confirmation? You're getting your hopes up for nothing, as usual. Nothing is moving forward until The WB says so.

[Webhead2006]

no its no confirmation on anything its just that wb and dc heads are talking to try and solve all their issues with how to use and protray the dc characters they own be that merch, cartoons, tv shows, or films. Hopefully things work out the best and things can actually get off the ground for dc and wb to showcase all their properties in the best mannor.

[KalKai]

I was referring to the alleged casting calls.

[Webhead2006]

oh yea no way there is any casting for mos happening no one at wb even knows if singer's mos is going to happen or if a reboot which has been talked about and they are actively looking into possibly doing is going to happen. So right now there is no green ligh script, no film green lighted, and no cast for anything at this time. And we are likely not going to hear anything for mos or a reboot to later this year at the earliest.

[Migu-EL]

It's almost 100% guaranteed that the next time there's a Superman movie on the big screen it will be reboot.

[Webhead2006]

yea its more then likely with them actively looking at people with reboot pitchs. Singer didnt deliever them the film they were expecting. Yea it would be nice if he could do another to try and fix the mistakes, but why waste 200+million dollars with singer who could deliever another flop to the fans when we can get a reboot and move it in the right direction and not be connected to donnors/silver age stuff and we get a great MODERN take on the character. And as i said a bunch of times over the threads wb and dc really need to get going with superman since they could lose the rights to the character in 5 years so they need to use the character in the right way in the five years to bank off it before they cant. But hopefully if shuster's heir gets the rights in 5 years shuster heir's and the sigel family let wb/dc keep the character and just get money off the profits of the character. I really think it would be foolish to take it from warners and dc were the character is making all the money when they can just leave it there and make a boat load of money.

[Serene]

Not exactly Tom Welling news, but I thought you guys might find it interesting.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117988775.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

And DC characters have been more successful than Marvel’s in TV, most recently with “Smallville.”

Well at least there's something positive about Superman in the article. :dry:

Woot! \o/ SV Represent! ;)

Thanks for posting that, Lighthouse.

[The Incredible Hulk]

has Marvel even had a live-action TV show since The Incredible Hulk went off the air? :confused: And no, Mutant-X doesn't count...

[Cmill216]

has Marvel even had a live-action TV show since The Incredible Hulk went off the air? :confused: And no, Mutant-X doesn't count...

Blade

[Webhead2006]

yea that was decent but to bad spike decided to can it so soon, there was talks a few years back for a moonknight show but i dont think that ever got past planning stage. Then there was that generation x pilot/tv film in the 90s.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Blade

OK, any show thats lasted more than 4 episodes and was on a semi-relevant network? :D

[Docker2.0]

Wasn't Blade the highest rated show on the network but Spike couldn't afford to keep it on the air?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Was Blade the highest rated show on the network but Spike couldn't afford to keep it on the air?
Fixed it

and I think Blade would still be on the air had it went to FX like it was suppose to.

[Webhead2006]

yea it probably would have lasted longer if the network could have handled it better, yes it wasnt the best show but it was a decent spinoff from the films.

[KBX]

Wasn't there and old Spiderman live-action show?

[Prison Mike]

Wasn't there and old Spiderman live-action show?

in the 70s, yes.

and I heard there's supposed to be a Black Panther tv show on BET network?

[zerohour films]

Wasn't there and old Spiderman live-action show?

Yes.

http://i3.iofferphoto.com/img/1162540800/_i/15168758/1.jpg


I believe it ran concurrently with The Incredible Hulk for two short seasons.

[Ultimate_Superman]

yea it probably would have lasted longer if the network could have handled it better, yes it wasnt the best show but it was a decent spinoff from the films.Blade was a good series

QtVlqqWlVCU

[Webhead2006]

I thought blade show was good, not knocking it had good parts and some bad parts in it. I wish it didnt end so soon. And that black panther show is going to be an animated show on BET.

[LL2K2]

It's almost 100% guaranteed that the next time there's a Superman movie on the big screen it will be reboot.

Yeah, and The Incredible Hulk is a shining example...




















:rolleyes:

[LL2K2]

Sheesh...double post

[RickO'Connell]

Yeah, and The Incredible Hulk is a shining example...




















:rolleyes:

Yeah & your opinion = the thoughts of all movie goers :rolleyes:

[Doright]

Wasn't Blade the highest rated show on the network but Spike couldn't afford to keep it on the air?

Yes. Thats exactly right. Blade was killed simply because it was too successful for the network..

Why they didn't just sell it off to someone else who could afford to make it though I have no idea. Maybe no one else wanted it.

and Blade was something like 13 episodes..

[Migu-EL]

Yeah, and The Incredible Hulk is a shining example...




















:rolleyes:


Meaning....





:huh:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Meaning nobody knows what is truly going on with the movie and to say the next movie is almost 100% going to be a reboot is wrong. No disrespect to the people at SaveSuperman.com but they are the only ones reporting a reboot. The fact has come out that the WB at one point and time did discuses a reboot but at the moment all signs point to a sequel. And Steve and his wife should at least acknowledge that there this a strong possibility for a sequel given Singers contract. Can it be a reboot yes but more then likely we will get a sequel then a reboot or a sequel or JLA depending on how the WB feels.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Yes.

http://i3.iofferphoto.com/img/1162540800/_i/15168758/1.jpg


I believe it ran concurrently with The Incredible Hulk for two short seasons.

Actually it came out a season before TIH. The Amazing Spider-man show ran from 1977-1979. TIH ran from 1978 - 1982 with a few TV movies after that. They were both on CBS as well as the Wonder Woman show with Lynda Carter. CBS was known as the "Super Hero Network" at that time, and some think that was one of the reasons they axed the Spidey show becuase they werent happy with being known for that.

[Webhead2006]

Yes yes there is a chance for a mos sequel to happen but steve at savesuperman isnt the only one who been reporting reboot ideas earlier. There has been other sites that have mentioned reports for a possible reboot. Also steve isnt the only one looking to do a reboot, there is mark millar, steve, and a few other people who been reported to be trying to do a reboot pitch. But yea its totally up to wb in what they will be doing.

For them they just really want the most money to be banked off the film so its up to them what they think will get them more money reboot or mos sequel. I said this in other threads though MOS isnt in any good shape though to be happening any time soon. Before singer's writers left all their pitchs to wb were rejected. Then now currently he doesnt have any screen writers, no script for a film, and no green light from the studio. So with that MOS isnt ready any time soon to happen. So right now we have to wait and see what the final decision from bros warner will be.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Singer's abortion of a franchise is dead. We've had countless indicators of that. From his writers getting booted, to the whole JLA fiasco, to the stuff with Millar and Leterrier recently. Every current succesful superhero franchise has birthed or at least started production on a sequel within a 2 year time span. There's no writers, no script, no greenlight, not even any believable rumors for a Singerman sequel. Let's all move on.

[Webhead2006]

Yea and like i and others said we dont know what wb wants to do with solo superman counting on the whole siegels/shusters court issues, continue mos?, or reboot. We have to play the waiting game with wb to see what goes down with any dc films in 09 and on. Yes it would be nice if singer did have another go to see if he can fix the problems SR had with most fans/general audiences but its up to wb if they think going with singer is the more vaible option. Then yea it also counts on what singer's contract with wb was and how they can either make him get out of the deal or he leaves. Then for any of the cast that did have sequel deal in contracts they will either have to pay them off or make a deal to feature them in another wb made film. We have no solid clue what is going on behind the scenes and most of us do not know how the entertainment business world works out.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Yea and like i and others said we dont know what wb wants to do with solo superman counting on the whole siegels/shusters court issues, continue mos?, or reboot. We have to play the waiting game with wb to see what goes down with any dc films in 09 and on. Yes it would be nice if singer did have another go to see if he can fix the problems SR had with most fans/general audiences but its up to wb if they think going with singer is the more vaible option. Then yea it also counts on what singer's contract with wb was and how they can either make him get out of the deal or he leaves. Then for any of the cast that did have sequel deal in contracts they will either have to pay them off or make a deal to feature them in another wb made film. We have no solid clue what is going on behind the scenes and most of us do not know how the entertainment business world works out..

The cast have option deals. The studios dont have to pay them if they dont pick up their options.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well rumor has it that they already have writers for the sequel and the only cast member at the moment not coming back is Kate Bosworth (WB choice). So we'll see how everything plays out.

[Webhead2006]

well everything i been reading online at alot of sites singer doesnt have any writers and wb hasnt hired any one for mos. SR writers walked out on singer after there 2 or 3 pitchs for mos to wb was reject to move on to other projects. So i have heard singer is trying to develop stuff but he has not writers on the film, there is no script, and no green light so mos isnt even close to be happening if they even decide to do mos at all. Yea as i said i dont know what the actors or singer's contracts were for wb doing SR so i dont know what they can do with booting them or having to pay them off if they dont do sequel. I have gotten alot of flak on what i have said over in the jla threads/dc comics films threads on what i am saying. But we all know its all up to wb on what they want to do.

Then we have to wait and see what the court ruling goes down in nov with the siegels and wb, what comes from the wb/dc summit talks, and if wb thinks it is viable to do mos with singer, a reboot, or decide not to do any more films untill the whole copyright issues are defined.

[Lighthouse]

Meaning nobody knows what is truly going on with the movie and to say the next movie is almost 100% going to be a reboot is wrong. No disrespect to the people at SaveSuperman.com but they are the only ones reporting a reboot. The fact has come out that the WB at one point and time did discuses a reboot but at the moment all signs point to a sequel. And Steve and his wife should at least acknowledge that there this a strong possibility for a sequel given Singers contract. Can it be a reboot yes but more then likely we will get a sequel then a reboot or a sequel or JLA depending on how the WB feels.

Where did this fact come out? I'd like to see the source.

[Webhead2006]

Yea the big this is with all the on going issues with the copyright, and now the dc/wb summit talks we dont know what wb really wants to do. And MOS yes could happen but at this present time it is in no shape at all to be happening in the near future with no script or greenlight from the studio. Will their be a reboot instead possible since their has been talks these past few months that the studio is looking into pitchs for reboot. As i said a bunch of times its really all up to the studio and what they think will be the most viable option to go with.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Well rumor has it that they already have writers for the sequel and the only cast member at the moment not coming back is Kate Bosworth (WB choice). So we'll see how everything plays out.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

Where did this fact come out? I'd like to see the source.

I think it was in the latest issue of Delusional Fanboy Monthly

[Doright]

It's all guess work at this point.

I do suspect though if Batman rakes in Huge numbers this weekend you'll see a fire lit under WB's Butt in a bad way. That very well could be what they are wating to see...

[Webhead2006]

yea i could see that happening and hopefully with the wb/dc summit talks will finally get other solo film out of developmental hell.

[Kalleo]

Well as much as I hate to even suggest I could see a Smallville movie or a Superman movie based off Smallvilles continuity making it to the big screen before any other and that would effectively be a reboot.

[RickO'Connell]

If the WB was smart they could sort of pull a HSM & end Smallville this Season & just bring it to the bring screen. Especially since Clark will pretty much be living & working in Metropolis this season & all of that. End this season on a high note & the next Superman movie wont be a reboot at all. But the problem is they can not afford to split up the fan base again after Returns & catering to just the Smallville fans will do just that. They need as many fans as possible behind the next Superman movie

[Webhead2006]

Yea thats the biggest problem wb doesnt know what to do and they dont care about us fans. I do as i said before really really hope that there is some big changes coming from the summit talks with wb/dc and they can hire the right people to get behind their film series like a avi arid(spelling) or a laura Z(chick who produced the spidey films) on board for to finally move things out out hell and finally make it on the big screens.

[Serene]

If the WB was smart they could sort of pull a HSM & end Smallville this Season & just bring it to the bring screen. Especially since Clark will pretty much be living & working in Metropolis this season & all of that. End this season on a high note & the next Superman movie wont be a reboot at all. But the problem is they can not afford to split up the fan base again after Returns & catering to just the Smallville fans will do just that. They need as many fans as possible behind the next Superman movie

If that ever were to happen (and I really don't think it will), I think people would be surprised at how well the movie would do.

[RickO'Connell]

I think people would be surprised at how well the movie would do.

Don't take this the wrong way but don't you think that is a little fan girlish to say ? If the WB were to do that a Smallville movie would need real "Hollywood Writers" & not any past or current ones & they would especially need to cut out the new show runners because I don't think the fan base is even split in half when it comes to not liking the new season. The amazing majority are hating it for the most part aside from a few things. considering how much crap the new season is already getting the WB would need to find brand new writers for a Smallville movie. A Smallvile movie being good would largely depends on who writes it & none of the show runners that Smallville has had fits that

[mellyM]

Don't take this the wrong way but don't you think that is a little fan girlish to say ? If the WB were to do that a Smallville movie would need real "Hollywood Writers" & not any past or current ones & they would especially need to cut out the new show runners because I don't think the fan base is even split in half when it comes to not liking the new season. The amazing majority are hating it for the most part aside from a few things. considering how much crap the new season is already getting the WB would need to find brand new writers for a Smallville movie. A Smallvile movie being good would largely depends on who writes it & none of the show runners that Smallville has had fits that

I don't think i'd put to much stock in people who are lame enough to hate a season before its even begun. And the internet peeps who make a lot of noise online make up a teeny tiny percentage of the actual viewing audience.

[triplet]

Don't take this the wrong way but don't you think that is a little fan girlish to say ? If the WB were to do that a Smallville movie would need real "Hollywood Writers" & not any past or current ones & they would especially need to cut out the new show runners because I don't think the fan base is even split in half when it comes to not liking the new season. The amazing majority are hating it for the most part aside from a few things. considering how much crap the new season is already getting the WB would need to find brand new writers for a Smallville movie. A Smallvile movie being good would largely depends on who writes it & none of the show runners that Smallville has had fits that

You're making a lot of generalizations....

I don't know if I've even made up my mind about the new season yet, since it hasn't even started.

I am, unlike some people, willing to wait until the show actually starts airing sucky episodes until I declare the season a complete loss.

I'm a bit skeptical about some of the things I've heard, but I'm not doing spoilers, so what do I know?

[Serene]

Don't take this the wrong way but don't you think that is a little fan girlish to say ?

Sure. Is that a problem? Oh, and I prefer "fanwomanish." :oldrazz:

If the WB were to do that a Smallville movie would need real "Hollywood Writers" & not any past or current ones & they would especially need to cut out the new show runners because I don't think the fan base is even split in half when it comes to not liking the new season. The amazing majority are hating it for the most part aside from a few things. considering how much crap the new season is already getting the WB would need to find brand new writers for a Smallville movie. A Smallvile movie being good would largely depends on who writes it & none of the show runners that Smallville has had fits that

The online fans love to air their gripes based on any and all tidbits they happen to hear. Iincluding myself, of course. It's what we do; we're online fans. :word:

Don't mistake the more vocal griping you may be hearing at whatever SV online board you happen to be hanging out on as being representative of the public in general. The viewing audience of SV has warranted another season - and that's all we know for sure about them.

As far as a SV movie, I certainly do think it could be done successfully. The Fannish Ones would ***** and moan, but ultimately, most would still go see it if it was a well-made Superman movie.

[JackMercy]

If WB were to do that a Smallville movie would need real "Hollywood Writers" & not any past or current ones [. . .] WB would need to find brand new writers for a Smallville movie. A Smallville movie being good would largely depends on who writes it & none of the show runners that Smallville has had fits that.

Do you know of whom you speak, my friend?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0332184/

Check out numbers 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, oh, and ah... 12.

Additionally, they've written various scripts and stories that perhaps haven't been used, but have been considered very heavily, like one Iron Man...

Now, I understand that people can have various opinions about Gough and Millar's writing and showrunning, but at this point, I'd say that they are most definitely established "Hollywood Writers" purely by virtue of the number of feature film credits they have...

Not even counting the ideas they have for umm... that big pink elephant in the corner...

:word:

[Doright]

Do you know of whom you speak, my friend?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0332184/

Check out numbers 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, oh, and ah... 12.

Additionally, they've written various scripts and stories that perhaps haven't been used, but have been considered very heavily, like one Iron Man...

Now, I understand that people can have various opinions about Gough and Millar's writing and showrunning, but at this point, I'd say that they are most definitely established "Hollywood Writers" purely by virtue of the number of feature film credits they have...

Not even counting the ideas they have for umm... that big pink elephant in the corner...

:word:

Yea.. It's amazing to me when I see so many SMV fans calling G&M bad writers who have no idea they wrote Spider-Man 2.

[TheComicbookKid]

Singer's abortion of a franchise is dead. We've had countless indicators of that. From his writers getting booted, to the whole JLA fiasco, to the stuff with Millar and Leterrier recently. Every current succesful superhero franchise has birthed or at least started production on a sequel within a 2 year time span. There's no writers, no script, no greenlight, not even any believable rumors for a Singerman sequel. Let's all move on.

When did the first Hellboy come out?

[LL2K2]

Singer's abortion of a franchise is dead. We've had countless indicators of that. From his writers getting booted...

Wrong. They left on their own free will to pursue other projects. Here's a story from Variety, October 2007 (please read carefully):

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117974449.html?categoryId=13&cs=1


Every current succesful superhero franchise has birthed or at least started production on a sequel within a 2 year time span.

When did the first Hellboy come out?

2004. And unlike Superman, Hellboy WAS a flop. :mad:

There's no writers, no script, no greenlight, not even any believable rumors for a Singerman sequel. Let's all move on.

Please...that term is so 2006. :rolleyes:

And what about the Wrath of Khan approach? That's the last we've heard from Singer; since then, he's still doing post-production for Valkyrie.

[Ultimate_Superman]

He is doing post production on Valkyrie while his writers are writing Man of Steel and to add to that the casting call thing was real so the sequel is moving forward. The real question is even though Singer is getting a sequel will he get a third movie.

[Ultimate_Superman]

As for a Superman movie based off of SV it would not work. It may have worked during season 4 & 5 but now it wouldn't and as said before it would just split the fan base even more. Because there is just as many people who do not like SV and would not want to see it be made into a movie as there are people who did not care for SR. If the WB was not going to do a sequel their best bet would be to start fresh away from SV and Donner/Singers Superman.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Wrong. They left on their own free will to pursue other projects. Here's a story from Variety, October 2007 (please read carefully):

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117974449.html?categoryId=13&cs=1



Sure they did. And about a month before that at the Saturn Awards, and to that guy on BlueTights in D.C. they all stated they had begun working on the sequel. Guess those other projects must've slipped their minds then, huh?


2004. And unlike Superman, Hellboy WAS a flop. :mad:


Hellboy had an ROI of about 30x that of Singer's mess

Please...that term is so 2006. :rolleyes:

I guess it expired along with Superman's relevancy as a big screen movie franchise


And what about the Wrath of Khan approach? That's the last we've heard from Singer; since then, he's still doing post-production for Valkyrie.

Another movie he's wasted a ton of time and money on. Singer's development deal for a sequel has him in limbo as WB looks to head in another direction. If the numerous signs of that dont make it crystal clear by now, you're missing the painfully obvious.

[The Incredible Hulk]

He is doing post production on Valkyrie while his writers are writing Man of Steel and to add to that the casting call thing was real so the sequel is moving forward. The real question is even though Singer is getting a sequel will he get a third movie.


LOL I'm sure they've begun casting extras on an unwritten film on Craigslist. This thread wreaks from desperation.

[RickO'Connell]

Yea.. It's amazing to me when I see so many SMV fans calling G&M bad writers who have no idea they wrote Spider-Man 2.

Um I knew that & they did NOT WRITE THE ENTIRE MOVIE if you must know & in my opinion just because they had a part withone good superhero movie does not mean that everything else that they do will be good

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yea.. It's amazing to me when I see so many SMV fans calling G&M bad writers who have no idea they wrote Spider-Man 2.You know they didn't write all of Spider-Man 2 right? They did a portion of the movie.

[Ultimate_Superman]

LOL I'm sure they've begun casting extras on an unwritten film on Craigslist. This thread wreaks from desperation.Casting for Returns was done the same way might I remind you.

[RickO'Connell]

You know they didn't write all of Spider-Man 2 right? They did a portion of the movie.

Shhhhhhhhhhh don't break their hearts

[Ultimate_Superman]

And really all they did was rewrites

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

superhero pinning over a girl he could have if he would just be honest with her, what a stretch it must of been for them :woot::woot:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Casting for Returns was done the same way might I remind you.

They cast the extras before the film was greenlit much less written? :confused: Singer's production was more half-assed than I thought

[Ultimate_Superman]

They cast the extras before the film was greenlit much less written? :confused: Singer's production was more half-assed than I thought
No they used Craigslist or a site much like it for casting extras the last time and from what I understand this is a script being written.

[Ultimate_Superman]

superhero pinning over a girl he could have if he would just be honest with her, what a stretch it must of been for them :woot::woot:wait havens to thought you are not implying that they are writing Smallville as if he were Spider-Man are you.:wow::wow::wow:








:hehe:

[Webhead2006]

actually its been on lots of sites reported MOS doesnt have any writers attached to it and no one has been hired to write the film. Yes singer has been working on ideas but he has no writers, there is no script and it is in no way ready to be happening and doesnt have a green light from WB. And really we have no clue what wb wants to do will they want to continue with singer, will they do a reboot, its a waiting game to see what happens. Wb just doesnt know what to do with their dc propertities and hopefully with the summit talks going on they can finally get a group of the right people in charge and behind films so they can actually happen. But i dont really want to get in this whole debate again like i was with people in the dc comics films and the jla boards.

[The Incredible Hulk]

No they used Craigslist or a site much like it for casting extras the last time and from what I understand this is a script being written.

OK you're completely missing the point. Criaglist isnt the big issue, although it does seem somewhat odd. The big thing is that casting extras is one of the very last things they do in pre-production. Singerman II: Electric Stalker Tool has no script, no budget, no green-light, no location scouting, and no sets have been built (other than any carry over from the 1st one) why on Earth would they have a casting call out for extras at this point???

[Webhead2006]

yea that is the point casting extras is something that is done at the very end of pre production and shortly before or during filming of a film. And like i and others have pointed out there is no writers signed onboard, no script, no budget, no green light, etc..... and no official announcement from WB stating the film is a go and is starting filming soon. The thing is they have no clue what they want to do and if they even want to continue with singer after he gave them a less then steller film they were hoping for a bigger hit. Then we have the whole thing with wb not knowing what to do/how to handle the dc characters besides batman(which we were very luckly there and when you look at it how did bb/tdk ever happen???). Then right now with wb/dc doing there summit talks on what they want to do with their characters and how to best use them untill that is all settled we are likely not going to hear any news about any more developments for films or to move films like jla, green lantern, flash, ww, green arrow out of of developmental hell and actually filming and in theaters.

[LL2K2]

Sure they did. And about a month before that at the Saturn Awards, and to that guy on BlueTights in D.C. they all stated they had begun working on the sequel. Guess those other projects must've slipped their minds then, huh?

Things happen. *cough* writer's strike *cough* Lawsuit *cough* *hack* problems with Valkyrie *cough*

Hellboy had an ROI of about 30x that of Singer's mess

Depends on which figures you use. Hellboy's ROI was -9.7%.

SR's ROI based on BOM's $270M budget quote was -25.9%.

SR's ROI based on the official WB-released budget of $209M was -4.3%.

I guess it expired along with Superman's relevancy as a big screen movie franchise

In your opinion. In case you forgot, despite the supposedly tepid box office from SR, the Superman movie franchise is still a three-quarters-of-a-billion-dollar money maker. Add in L&C, Smallville, and the older live-action and animated series...enough said.

Another movie he's wasted a ton of time and money on. Singer's development deal for a sequel has him in limbo as WB looks to head in another direction. If the numerous signs of that dont make it crystal clear by now, you're missing the painfully obvious.

He did the same thing with SR.

And until you can come up with something that convinces me there will not be a sequel, we're done.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Things happen. *cough* writer's strike *cough* Lawsuit *cough* *hack* problems with Valkyrie *cough*

Take a lozenge..All lame excuses as the writers strike prevents them from writing any movie. The lawsuit if anything would expedite the sequel process since the rights were to revert in a few years. As for Valkyrie, that has nothing to do with Harris & Dougherty or them penning a script for another Superman film.


Depends on which figures you use. Hellboy's ROI was -9.7%.

SR's ROI based on BOM's $270M budget quote was -25.9%.

SR's ROI based on the official WB-released budget of $209M was -4.3%.

Nice try but ROI is calculated using more than just production cost and box office receipts. You've got to take into account the % of actual gross revenue the studio actually receives. And then take into account all of the marketing and ancillary costs into account and then add in the additional revenue streams like cable, video, merchandising, etc. SR gets killed even further because it's ancillaries and marketing were so damn high. The 2006 and 2007 annual reports for WB shareholders, of which I am one, do not paint a pretty picture for the film and hme video divisions.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aviNvS7tmRoQ&refer=home


In your opinion. In case you forgot, despite the supposedly tepid box office from SR, the Superman movie franchise is still a three-quarters-of-a-billion-dollar money maker. Add in L&C, Smallville, and the older live-action and animated series...enough said.

History is history. The character is still a lucrative one and has always been. But you've got one scared studio at the moment who has no idea what to do with the property now, whereas had Singer not completely screwed the pooch, next summer we'd be feeling like the Bat fans will feel tomorrow.


He did the same thing with SR.

And until you can come up with something that convinces me there will not be a sequel, we're done.

like my grandfather always said, some people cant see the train until it hits them....

[AgentPat]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/twitch2.gif





It's.... it's... my GOD, it's like I never left.

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/bunny.jpg



Cya'll in two months...

[triplet]

*sigh*

:cool:

[RickO'Connell]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/twitch2.gif





It's.... it's... my GOD, it's like I never left.

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/bunny.jpg



Cya'll in two months...

I blame the CW. Since we dont have any new stuff to talk about old stuff is back :o

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

wait havens to thought you are not implying that they are writing Smallville as if he were Spider-Man are you.:wow::wow::wow:








:hehe:


who me ........... now why would i do that :hehe:

[MAN O STEEL]

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4595/earthwellingui2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

[Prison Mike]

^ I like it!

[Derrick9592]

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4595/earthwellingui2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/) That's AWESOME!!! I can really see that in the series finale. :D

[Webhead2006]

Hey i was wondering if any one could do a manip of tom as supes using that superman photo from the worlds collide site on the dc vs mortal kombat game site.

[Gmanofsteel]

Hey everyone, just whipped up a new manip to celebrate my return :D

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8668/twflight2vw0.png

[Prison Mike]

^Nice!

[TheStrider]

Nice manips!

[Gmanofsteel]

new manip
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8919/twlikehellar3.png

[The Incredible Hulk]

nice work, although I think you need to scale down the nose and lips just a bit. He looks a little too much like Adrien Brody :D

[Gmanofsteel]

lol thanks hulk :p

got another :D

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9849/twflightzu9.png

[Serene]

Great to see you back, TW4S. ;)

And with new artwork too!

[Gmanofsteel]

Thanks rene ;)

It is good to be back :D

[Gmanofsteel]

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/860/twflybymf4.png (http://imageshack.us)

[SamuraiSon6]

good to see you TW4S, great work on the manips, here are a few suggestions i have if you dont mind, in your fist one you posted with tom looking down and to the right i would say make his head slightly larger. if you are using photoshop, i would suggest playing with the "posterize" or "paint daubs" filter to make the photography heads blend better with the artistic bodies. all in all great work, its always fun to see new stuff!

[Gmanofsteel]

Thanks for the info SamuraiSon6 :) I actually am just using ms Paint & MS Word on my manips. I need to get photoshop :o

[Gmanofsteel]

Time for some World's Finest

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/246/wfgs9.png

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2212/wf2md9.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2212/wf2md9.50de645559.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=292&i=wf2md9.png)

[Docker2.0]

Where are the regulars for this forum? No AgentPat's or Triplets or Musclesforsupes or Sages(:cmad:).........this forum just died after season 6. :(

[triplet]

Where are the regulars for this forum? No AgentPat's or Triplets or Musclesforsupes or Sages(:cmad:).........this forum just died after season 6. :(

Actually, I'm still around just not as often since I'm no longer doing spoilers.

Not much doing on the non-spoiler threads lately...

:(

Pat said she'd be back probably in time for the new season.

Don't know about Sage or MfS, though.

And what's with the name change? It's not like the old Docker, although you still have the same booty-filled avie as usual...

:D

[Docker2.0]

I got upgraded. :up:

[Docker2.0]

I got upgraded. :up:

[Docker2.0]

As you can see, I'm having technical difficulties. :(

[Gmanofsteel]

he does everything twice now :D

[biaaly]

Wow the manips are all amazing :D Great work!

[triplet]

I got upgraded. :up:

LOL!

:D

Nice.

As you can see, I'm having technical difficulties. :(

Triplet posting is a hard thing to accomplish, it's a skill...

;)

he does everything twice now :D

:D

[Gmanofsteel]

Wow the manips are all amazing :D Great work!

Thanks :cool:

[Pluto]

Did they even consider him for the role?

[TW1977]

Time for another TW Superman Manip! I used this promo
before but I wanted to put a more contemporary
Clark/Kal in this time and thanks to Jana for the
beautiful HUGE photo to make it happen!

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/TWpics2007/Manips/699x-tw-Superman-man.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/TWpics2007/Manips/th_1024x768-tw-Superman-man.jpg (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/TWpics2007/Manips/1024x768-tw-Superman-man.jpg)
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/TWpics2007/Manips/th_1200x800-tw-Superman-man.jpg (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/TWpics2007/Manips/1200x800-tw-Superman-man.jpg)
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/TWpics2007/Manips/th_1-1680X1050-tw-Superman-man.jpg (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/TWpics2007/Manips/1-1680X1050-tw-Superman-man.jpg)
Thanks Jana!