Tom Welling as Superman

[The Incredible Hulk]

Did they even consider him for the role?

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[The Incredible Hulk]

Time for another TW Superman Manip! I used this promo
before but I wanted to put a more contemporary
Clark/Kal in this time and thanks to Jana for the
beautiful HUGE photo to make it happen!

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Thanks Jana!





wow, that looks fantastic. Nice work :up:

[triplet]

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*snort*

:D

[Webhead2006]

nice tom manip

[TW1977]

Thanks guys! :woot:

[Gmanofsteel]

Time for another TW Superman Manip! I used this promo
before but I wanted to put a more contemporary
Clark/Kal in this time and thanks to Jana for the
beautiful HUGE photo to make it happen!

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/TWpics2007/Manips/699x-tw-Superman-man.jpg
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Thanks Jana!




Absolutely stunning TW1977 :) :up:

[TW1977]

Thanks Tomwelling4sups! :woot:

[musclesforsupes]

:hehe:Welcome back to the casting wars hope you enjoy the ride.

Lets hope Welling gets a shot!

Its going to be a long LONG few years.

[TheLongestDay]

Time for another TW Superman Manip! I used this promo
before but I wanted to put a more contemporary
Clark/Kal in this time and thanks to Jana for the
beautiful HUGE photo to make it happen!

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/TWpics2007/Manips/699x-tw-Superman-man.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/TWpics2007/Manips/th_1024x768-tw-Superman-man.jpg (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/TWpics2007/Manips/1024x768-tw-Superman-man.jpg)
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Thanks Jana!






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[Serene]

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Reposting Deb's artwork (with proper credit) might help that cause.

Just sayin'. ;)

I realize that while I've talked to Deb in PM's about how fantastic that piece is, I haven't actually posted it. So consider this an official KUDOS for an incredible Tom as Supes manip, Deb. Seriously, one of the very best I've seen.

:up: :supes:

[Zing79]

The important thing here is why all the old timers have not returned to push for Welling in the new Superman movie.

Come on...return...you know you want too. Make this place fun to read again :)

[Webhead2006]

Evil you cant post ksite photos unless you put it at a hosting site. Ksite doesnt like when people take their photos. So re post the pic because we see nothing now. As for welling yea i would totally love if he was to be superman in the new reboot. But more likely then not he wont be asked/doesnt want to do it. Plus if you take welling most would want it to be a continuation from where smallville is likely to be ending with this season. So yea i would like it but there is so much "baggage" as people call it with Tom and the smallville universe. Personally it would be better for smallville if they did a tv movie where tom becomes smallville verse superman. Where as the new film should be a complete and total reboot and all fresh and hopefully this time around they decide to go fully modern powers/background u know post crisis/current status of things for supes and lex corp/political and all that. We dont need to see another silver age take. That take doesnt work for today's audience.

[Docker2.0]

The important thing here is why all the old timers have not returned to push for Welling in the new Superman movie.

Come on...return...you know you want too. Make this place fun to read again :)
Exactly! Where's everyone at?! The new season starts soon(anyone know the exact date?)so everyone should start coming back!

[Webhead2006]

Its sept 18th if you forgot docker2.0.

[Docker2.0]

Forgot?! I never knew. :huh:

[Webhead2006]

Ah ok i didnt know if u knew or not.

[triplet]

The important thing here is why all the old timers have not returned to push for Welling in the new Superman movie.

Come on...return...you know you want too. Make this place fun to read again :)

I'm here.

But, I haven't been around much because the only action lately has been in spoiler threads...

:(

More Superman movie rumors will be welcome, but I don't know how I feel about it...

Sadly, I get the feeling that Tom is less likely to sign for anything like that than I think he used to be.

[Docker2.0]

Yeah I think after Smallville he's going to disappear and 20 years from now play Jor el. If he was smart he'd ask for the part. I think the WB would give it to him in a heartbeat if he wanted it.

[mellyM]

The important thing here is why all the old timers have not returned to push for Welling in the new Superman movie.

Come on...return...you know you want too. Make this place fun to read again :)

There's really nothing to talk about, there's no movie as of yet.

[Webhead2006]

Well there is news now they are doing a complete reboot for supes but yes no more news then them saying reboot is happening and singer/routh are pretty much given the boot.

[triplet]

Yeah I think after Smallville he's going to disappear and 20 years from now play Jor el. If he was smart he'd ask for the part. I think the WB would give it to him in a heartbeat if he wanted it.

I think far too many people dismiss his talent because all they've seen him in has been Smalville.

If he wants to work in Hollywood, I think he will do well.

I think playing Superman on the big screen would be a good move for him, but would he take it at this point?

Hard to say, but I think he'd learned his lesson with The Fog and he would likely only take it if the script were good and he got along well with the director.

Wainwright, the director of The Fog, turned out to be quite the hack, sadly.

There's really nothing to talk about, there's no movie as of yet.

True.

Sad, but true.

[Docker2.0]

I'm not doubting Welling's talent but let's be real: he's kind of limited. If he wanted that big payday and to make his name a household name, a Superman movie is the key and I'm sure WB would give it to him in a heartbeat.

[triplet]

I'm not doubting Welling's talent but let's be real: he's kind of limited. If he wanted that big payday and to make his name a household name, a Superman movie is the key and I'm sure WB would give it to him in a heartbeat.

The thing is, I don't think Tom is "kind of limited," so I'm not sure I know what you mean there...

He's good-looking, talented, smart, a hard worker and a very nice guy.

As much as you might not think so, the last two are as equally important as the first three.

Hollywood is full of prima donnas who don't like to work. Think of Lindsay Lohen...

She's hard to work with and doesn't show up to work on time and is hung over or otherwise not ready to work when she finally does get to the set. She's arguably talented and popular, but her career options aren't as good as they once were because she's lost some good will with the people she works with.

Hollywood also has nice people who work hard on their jobs who appreciate working with other nice people who also work hard.

I think he'll get some work almost based on that, but his talent and looks and smarts will help him too...

I think he'll do just fine.

[Serene]

I'm not doubting Welling's talent but let's be real: he's kind of limited.

I think he's limited primarily because he's almost too good looking. That's not quite an "everyman" face. Then again, you could say the same of Cary Grant. As far as his acting chops, I think he could be amazing in movies if given more of a chance. After making the CBTD and Fog movies he was quoted as saying something to the effect of how great it was to have so much time to film just a few scenes on a movie set as opposed to something like SV, where they have to churn them out on a rushed schedule. He's been used to a hell of a working schedule for a lot of years now, and he's only improved with each and every years. Given a great director and all that time to really hone a role, I think he'd surprise everyone - even is fans, with how good he'd be.


If he wanted that big payday and to make his name a household name, a Superman movie is the key and I'm sure WB would give it to him in a heartbeat.

Do you really think so? I don't know about that, but I hope you're right.

It just really sucks that so many of the loudmouth fanboys(and girls) who don't like SV will hold that against him as opposed to looking at the actor as an individual possibility for Superman.

Reposting something I posted over on B.T. - a quote from a very smart friend of mine that I thought was dead-on:

I fully believe that if Tom Welling had spent the past seven years on a TV show about, say, a fireman, the entire DC structure — from fan to studio exec — would be united in clamoring for him to play Superman. The Smallville powers-that-be got the casting exactly, entirely right for Clark, and he's "grown up" beautifully. Right now, he's Superman, absolutely perfect for the role. It's the show that complicates the casting decision.

Let's hope TPTB for this film are take note of Tom without the SV baggage.
(Not that I think it's negative baggage at all, but it's certainly a factor in casting him.)

[pyromaniac]

Yeah I think after Smallville he's going to disappear and 20 years from now play Jor el. If he was smart he'd ask for the part. I think the WB would give it to him in a heartbeat if he wanted it.

Well, even if all the planets aligned in favour, there probably is a rather small complication of the 'baggage', ie intertwining the 'new' movie continuity with the existing Smallville continuity.

I get the feeling WB wants to separate the two, and I never got the feeling also that Welling would've been completely keen to play Superman, because if he did, they probably would have to 'change' the end of Smallville to meet the movie.

And the showrunners after all want to leave the fans hanging on how it will all end, not only in execution but as to where all the characters will end up.

To me, it's akin to showing the final episode WHILE the show is still going, if you understand the meaning.

So, well, these are my thoughts, so I never understood why many fans wanted Welling in the role other than the fact he's played Clark Kent for years: it smacks a little of nepotism to me. After all, as with Batman and James Bond, you can bring in someone else, so as to make distinct both of the two continuities while giving the movie a fresh flavour.

[AgentPat]

The important thing here is why all the old timers have not returned to push for Welling in the new Superman movie.

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[The Incredible Hulk]

The important thing here is why all the old timers have not returned to push for Welling in the new Superman movie.

Come on...return...you know you want too. Make this place fun to read again :)


I havent gotten to that point yet. I'm just happy as a pig in stink that Singer's abomination is going to die the quick death it so deserved.

[Serene]

I'm not sure I have the stamina or interest in another hardcore Casting War.

My first choice for Supes hasn't changed though (never will), but since that tends to NOT WORK OUT :mad:, I'm more receptive to them finding someone else who will fill the boots properly. I don't think Tom's the only option out there - just the best one I've seen.

[Gmanofsteel]

I'm a veteran, I might as well reenlist ;)

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[triplet]

I'm not sure I have the stamina or interest in another hardcore Casting War.

My first choice for Supes hasn't changed though (never will), but since that tends to NOT WORK OUT :mad:, I'm more receptive to them finding someone else who will fill the boots properly. I don't think Tom's the only option out there - just the best one I've seen.

Totally quoted for truth!

:up:

Tom is completely the best one I've seen.

So, I'm right there with ya...

[Docker2.0]

Well now that most of the regs have returned, you guys will need someone to lead you. I volunteer myself! :cool:

[Prison Mike]

I don't know if I can take more rumors. I know I wasn't here for the SR news but if the whole justice league debacle (emi reporting who's the next Superman, Batman, i.e.) was any indication then I'll sit this one out (probably not, though). lol

[Syncos]

I'm not sure I have the stamina or interest in another hardcore Casting War.

My first choice for Supes hasn't changed though (never will), but since that tends to NOT WORK OUT :mad:, I'm more receptive to them finding someone else who will fill the boots properly. I don't think Tom's the only option out there - just the best one I've seen.

Hells yah. QFT!


:D

[The Incredible Hulk]

anyone else see this article and poll?

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/smallville/smallville-should-tom-welling-22288.aspx

[Docker2.0]

Wow! Welling is owning that poll! WB should take note and do all they can about getting him in the costume. Plus, he and Bale are close to the same age with Bale being a little older, like Bruce is Clark so this would be perfect. But will Rosemblum be asked to play Lex?
Back to me being the leader of this forum......:cmad: :p

[triplet]

Fans clearly love Tom, well a lot of them do anyway, so why isn't the boy in more movies?

I'm hoping this is the last season so he can finally get his film career on track.

[RickO'Connell]

I think the problem with Tom is why go with a guy & alienate half of the Superman fan base that does not like him or Smallville when they can just get a guy that will probably just piss every fan off. After Returns the next Superman movie need every single fan behind it as possible & them chosing Tom Welling just will not do that. I don't think its about Smallville baggage but Superman needs a Christian Bale for this movie where around 95 % of the fan base loves him as Batman & they need that for Superman. Tom Welling just does not have that power with the over all fan base. The WB is in no win win situation when it comes to casting Superman. They will either alienate a fan base or just piss everyone off

[Gmanofsteel]

The time is now guys, its time to go all in and see if we can pull off a Royal flush :D

[Webhead2006]

Yea even though i love smallville most of the time and think tom would do great as supes in the reboot. He is likely not ever going to sign deal to do it. So i am fine if they can find a known or unknown actor who has the look and can act well. We dont need someone like routh again who had the face for supes but his acting was wooden and all that.

[Docker2.0]

I'm not sure that's Routh's fault though. I seen an episode of Fear Itself where he did a great job of acting. I blame Singer for that more than anyone else. Still I'm hoping Welling will come to his senses, accept the big contract and wear the red cape. For the fans who "hate" Welling, as long as the story is good, they'll come around!

[Zing79]

I think the problem with Tom is why go with a guy & alienate half of the Superman fan base that does not like him or Smallville when they can just get a guy that will probably just piss every fan off. After Returns the next Superman movie need every single fan behind it as possible & them chosing Tom Welling just will not do that. I don't think its about Smallville baggage but Superman needs a Christian Bale for this movie where around 95 % of the fan base loves him as Batman & they need that for Superman. Tom Welling just does not have that power with the over all fan base. The WB is in no win win situation when it comes to casting Superman. They will either alienate a fan base or just piss everyone off

I've always taken exception with this statement. When I look at who hates Welling (now and yesteryear) I remember a handful of vocal people way back when who constantly got outnumbered by those that had no issue with him in the role.

When SR came out you had an influx of new members loyal to Routh, and the hate group grew. Everyone who still liked Welling either moved on to a different board, or stopped posting altogether.

The 'geek' audience would not be anywhere near split if he were ever cast though. The Smallville panel at Comin Con is one of the biggest year in year out, and Welling's never even there. Could you imagine how ape people would go if he actually attended?

As always, there's a very loud group who hate him dearly, but that certainly does not mean even close to half the people would be pissed if he was cast. Even now poll after poll shows that not to be the case.

[Serene]

I think the problem with Tom is why go with a guy & alienate half of the Superman fan base that does not like him or Smallville when they can just get a guy that will probably just piss every fan off. After Returns the next Superman movie need every single fan behind it as possible & them chosing Tom Welling just will not do that. I don't think its about Smallville baggage but Superman needs a Christian Bale for this movie where around 95 % of the fan base loves him as Batman & they need that for Superman. Tom Welling just does not have that power with the over all fan base. The WB is in no win win situation when it comes to casting Superman. They will either alienate a fan base or just piss everyone off

Even the fans that will be pissing themselves angry if Tom were cast will STILL SEE the movie.

Then they will be so blown away by the perfection of his casting that they will kick themselves for their incredible short-sightedness and will all start wearing I :heart: Tom Welling t-shirts.

:D :up:

[Gmanofsteel]

I'm all for it too, its Tom's turn :D I'm putting a few things in motion tonight, should all be ready tomorrow :cool:

[triplet]

I think Tom would deliver a performance that would blow his critics away... he has shown real talent and is very smart.

He'll do right by the role, if he were to get it, IMO. In fact, he would probably do it so right that people will wonder why they didn't see how perfect he was going to be.

And now for something completely different.

You remember the 6'5" Batman, Armmie Hammer? He's got a recurring role in Reaper this season:

Over on Entertainment Weekly.com (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/08/post.html?iid=top25-20080827-Ask+Ausiello%3A+Spoilers+on+'Smallville%2C'+'House %2C'+'Veronica+Mars%2C'+'Office%2C'+'Lost%2C'+'CSI %3A+NY%2C'+and+More!):

Question: If you want to keep your title as spoiler king you need to hit us with some major Reaper scoop. -- Jeff
Ausiello: This just in -- major Reaper scoop! Armie Hammer (no relation to the baking soda) is joining the cast as Morgan, Sam's half bro. Although it would seem he's only concerned with spending time at the hottest clubs and dating super models, Morgan is secretly jealous of Sam, and has a darker agenda which will prove to be dangerous to Sam and the gang. Do I get to keep my title?

Sounds pretty good to me... I watch the show anyway, but I'll probably pay more attention when the half-brother shows up.

;)

[The Incredible Hulk]

I think the problem with Tom is why go with a guy & alienate half of the Superman fan base that does not like him or Smallville when they can just get a guy that will probably just piss every fan off. After Returns the next Superman movie need every single fan behind it as possible & them chosing Tom Welling just will not do that. I don't think its about Smallville baggage but Superman needs a Christian Bale for this movie where around 95 % of the fan base loves him as Batman & they need that for Superman. Tom Welling just does not have that power with the over all fan base. The WB is in no win win situation when it comes to casting Superman. They will either alienate a fan base or just piss everyone off


I love when people make up statistical %'s of people's tastes as if there was somehow a big fan poll done of the entire Superman fanbase. Every poll I've seen on non-biased sites has Welling winning in a landslide. Hell there was a poll that came out about a month after SR unspooled, I forget the site but Pat or trip or Rene likely have the link, and Welling still won it in a landslide.

As for "alienating" the fanbase, I would hope that one of the things learned from the SR debacle is that the actor that plays Superman is really secondary to having a good director with a great script. SR didnt have either of those (I'll concede Singer is a decent director but handled SR poorly) thus anything Routh might've been able to do with the part was negated by that and Singer's subpar direction. If the vocal minority *****es about Welling initially, big deal, a decent film will shut most of them up anyway.

[Gmanofsteel]

We also need to point out the unknown % of fans who aren't online but would support Welling for supes.

[kal_el_526]

I agree,Routh could have been better given the appropriate script to work with. An Tom would be an awesome Superman given the chance,but like I said before its very unlikely we'll see that.

[Zing79]

In the face of all the recent statements of a season 9, I have to ask the obvious question of just how valid the argument is that Tom doesn't want the role of Superman.

Welling is not signed through season 9. They'd have to get him back under contract for the show to continue (and the show runners seem to be talking very seriously about season 9, as if it's a foregone conclusion Tom will re-sign).

So I have to ask again: how sound is the logic in saying Welling doesn't want to be Superman? Consider that he'd be re-signing for a TV show about the same character (after playing that character for 8 years already). Having to endure a MUCH harder schedule (when compared to a movie). Receiving far less money than he'd get for playing the same character on the big screen. Further cementing himself to a role he apparently doesn't want. Etc, Etc. Etc.

Every piece of logic and twisted quote about Welling not wanting to play the character kind of goes out the window if there's a season 9 of Smallville.

[triplet]

I think you're right, Zing. Tom would be far more welcome in the role by the general public than disgruntled SR fans would otherwise like to think...

I think he'd own the role, but given a terrific script and less arrogant, self-aggrandizing direction, almost anyone with some acting skill and the right look would probably do okay...

Just think how excellent Tom would be with the right script and the right director!

If they can get the right combination with Tom in the role, I'll be first in line at the midnight showing and will probably skip work the next day to see it again at the first showing during daylight hours too...

[RakuMon]

In the face of all the recent statements of a season 9, I have to ask the obvious question of just how valid the argument is that Tom doesn't want the role of Superman.

Welling is not signed through season 9. They'd have to get him back under contract for the show to continue (and the show runners seem to be talking very seriously about season 9, as if it's a foregone conclusion Tom will re-sign).

So I have to ask again: how sound is the logic in saying Welling doesn't want to be Superman? Consider that he'd be re-signing for a TV show about the same character (after playing that character for 8 years already). Having to endure a MUCH harder schedule (when compared to a movie). Receiving far less money than he'd get for playing the same character on the big screen. Further cementing himself to a role he apparently doesn't want. Etc, Etc. Etc.

Every piece of logic and twisted quote about Welling not wanting to play the character kind of goes out the window if there's a season 9 of Smallville.

You know, this is why I am totally against a ninth season. They really should wrap everything up this year and just move on into movies. I mean, the way the show will be set up in Season 8--i.e., Clark and Lois at the Planet; Lana and Ma Kent gone--what else is holding them back from being a full-bore Superman story (other than dragging the show on past its prime to reap in ad dollars)?

Everyone keeps talking about how difficult it is for movie goers to relate to a 70 year old character or how hard it is coming up with a modern take on Superman. All the while ignoring the fact that they've had a frickin' TV show doing just that for the last eight years! And if Robinov wants dark, Smallville has shown you can go dark and still be an effective Superman story.

[Webhead2006]

Well yes they have been saying they want a 9th season but also in the new todd/darren interview they clearly stated they have plans to wrap the show up and plans if they are able to go. So its really up to Cw if the show is going to go on, ratings, and then the willing if tom and others signing for another year. Now if tom and others dont sign and cw wants them to continue then i see either jla/green arrow spin off then happening. but there is so many factors as i and others said for a 9th. And we have to wait and see how season 8 does in ratings, where the network is as a network, etc......

[Docker2.0]

I think you're right, Zing. Tom would be far more welcome in the role by the general public than disgruntled SR fans would otherwise like to think...

I think he'd own the role, but given a terrific script and less arrogant, self-aggrandizing direction, almost anyone with some acting skill and the right look would probably do okay...

Just think how excellent Tom would be with the right script and the right director!

If they can get the right combination with Tom in the role, I'll be first in line at the midnight showing and will probably skip work the next day to see it again at the first showing during daylight hours too...
SR had fans?! :eek: :wow:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Every piece of logic and twisted quote about Welling not wanting to play the character kind of goes out the window if there's a season 9 of Smallville.

I would think that when Tom signed on for the 8th season it wouldve settled this debate considering his initial contract was for only season's 1-7, same as Rosenbaum and Kreuk.

[triplet]

SR had fans?! :eek: :wow:

LOL!

I think there were a few...

;)

[Serene]

I posted these cropped shots in the Drooling Thread, but they seem extremely fitting for this thread as well.

They are from Odyssey - but aside from being pictures of Clark alive and well (which seriously isn't exactly a spoiler), nothing spoilery is revealed.


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'Nuff said! :up: :supes:

[spark627]

my god, he looks gorgeous. how could someone who is bloody look so good.

[Webhead2006]

Well he is looking pretty good and thats coming from a straight guy here. To bad they only went with scruffy look and not a full on beard lol. Would have been cool for a full on beard as we seen him do during the off seasons before.

[The Caped Knight]

Well he is looking pretty good and thats coming from a straight guy here. To bad they only went with scruffy look and not a full on beard lol. Would have been cool for a full on beard as we seen him do during the off seasons before.

So you wanted something like this ?

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[triplet]

Now *that's* Superman!

LOL!

:super: :supes:

Love it! He looks awesome!

:up:

:heart: :heart: :heart:

Hopefully, we'll get some shirtless scenes so I can add to my icon!

:D

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/5462/sm8010010ya9.jpg

'Nuff said! :up: :supes:

wow :wow: very Supermanly indeed Tom :up:

thats BEGGING for a manip

[Webhead2006]

Well when the reports of a beard on clark came out i was thinking back to 2006 when tom during hiatus had a full on beard.

[TheLongestDay]

come on now...who DOESNT wanna see this??!!

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/thelongestday_photos/Superman-Doomsday.jpg

[Webhead2006]

Actually about Tom's contract it i believe was originally for 5 seasons but then when season 5 ended he resign to a 3 yr deal that runs through season 8. Now his contract is up this year so if the show is indeed picked up for a 9th he will have to be resigned and at this time we dont know if he would want to do it or not.

[Billy Batson]

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/real-world/mi06-scott_Blk.jpg


I like this suit concept for OUR Superman. Anyone care to expand on this with a Welling rendition? :cwink:

[Docker2.0]

Actually about Tom's contract it i believe was originally for 5 seasons but then when season 5 ended he resign to a 3 yr deal that runs through season 8. Now his contract is up this year so if the show is indeed picked up for a 9th he will have to be resigned and at this time we dont know if he would want to do it or not.
Nah here's hoping this is the last season. The writers are CLEARLY running out of ideas and that episode where Chloe and Jimmy were freakin spies was the biggest pile of evidence and manure I've ever seen! Anyway, when the season ends, hopefully the WB would go full force to do what it takes to get Welling in the suit. Have you seen Welling up close? Dude is freakin huge! :eek: He's perfect as Supes. Routh......not so much. :o

[TheLongestDay]

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/real-world/mi06-scott_Blk.jpg


I like this suit concept for OUR Superman. Anyone care to expand on this with a Welling rendition? :cwink:

Man i wouldve LOVED to have seen ZOD in something like that-with his emblem of course.

Always thought it was strange how Supermans suit is supposed to be his Kryptonian outfit yet nobody on Krypton wears anything like it.....

....and I dont by Martha Kent making it for him one little bit! :oldrazz:

[Gmanofsteel]

My fellow Superman fans, Tom Welling supporters, and friends. Since the first casting war we all united in discussion about how great it would be to see Tom Welling finally wear the suit and become Superman. We made manips, argued our points of view, and defended our choice passionately. In the end we got Superman Returns, and four more years of Smallville in return. Today, we find ourselves in the situation once again. Today I say we do more than just talk, but act! If we truly want this dream to become reality, we will have to give as much support as we can.



Firstly, I have started a new petition, one that will be alerted to the WB and others: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes

Secondly, on the petiton there is refference to our next way to show our support, you can also access ths information here: http://www.myspace.com/tomwelling4superman

Let the revolution begin!

[Pickle-El]

Good luck.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I like this suit concept for OUR Superman. Anyone care to expand on this with a Welling rendition?

Tim Burton, is that you?

Actually about Tom's contract it i believe was originally for 5 seasons but then when season 5 ended he resign to a 3 yr deal that runs through season 8. Now his contract is up this year so if the show is indeed picked up for a 9th he will have to be resigned and at this time we dont know if he would want to do it or not.

The entire main cast were signed to what were effectively 7 year deals. Seasons 6 and 7 may have been studio options that involved a bump up in salary, but 7 years was the max term. I believe Welling and Durance tacked on the 8th seasons sometime in the middle of last season when the strike was looming.

[The Incredible Hulk]

My fellow Superman fans, Tom Welling supporters, and friends. Since the first casting war we all united in discussion about how great it would be to see Tom Welling finally wear the suit and become Superman. We made manips, argued our points of view, and defended our choice passionately. In the end we got Superman Returns, and four more years of Smallville in return. Today, we find ourselves in the situation once again. Today I say we do more than just talk, but act! If we truly want this dream to become reality, we will have to give as much support as we can.



Firstly, I have started a new petition, one that will be alerted to the WB and others: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes

Secondly, on the petiton there is refference to our next way to show our support, you can also access ths information here: http://www.myspace.com/tomwelling4superman

Let the revolution begin!

Not sure you'd really want to direct the petition and/or letters to guys like Noveck and Tull. Certainly not Noveck as he has no say in who WB casts. He's more of an advisor from the comic realm if anything.

I also dont know how much input that Legendary has into the creatve decisions made with WB films? I cant imagine its much, I think they're main concern is just on the financial side of things. If anything you'd want something like this targeted at guys like Horn and Robinov who would have to sign off on cast and crew for the film.

[Docker2.0]

Honestly, I think the WB wouldn't mind seeing Welling in costume for a big screen movie. Remember, they gave Singer full control of the movie so he casted who HE wanted. Plus there's the whole Gough and Miller's not letting Welling do it due to his Smallville thing......there was a lot of factors. I think if they start to shoot in February or March, I think it could very well be possible for Welling to do it.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I dont think you have to worry about February or March. I honestly dont think you'll see a new Supes film until at least Christmas 2010 or Summer 2011 at this point. Both of which would give Tom ample time after Smallville's end to do it. Unless of course they decide to drag Smallville out for a 9th season, then you'd run into potential timing issues with a Christmas 2010 release.

[Webhead2006]

Well i always remember reading the cast original was signed for 5 yrs then whitney actor left after season 1, sam left at end of season 3, and johnathn middle of season 5. Then i read when tom signed new contract at end of season 5 it was a 3 yr deal that made it he was signed through an 8th yr where as allison/erica/michael/kristen were only signed through season 7. Then we are where we are at.

[Serene]

My fellow Superman fans, Tom Welling supporters, and friends. Since the first casting war we all united in discussion about how great it would be to see Tom Welling finally wear the suit and become Superman. We made manips, argued our points of view, and defended our choice passionately. In the end we got Superman Returns, and four more years of Smallville in return. Today, we find ourselves in the situation once again. Today I say we do more than just talk, but act! If we truly want this dream to become reality, we will have to give as much support as we can.



Firstly, I have started a new petition, one that will be alerted to the WB and others: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes

Secondly, on the petiton there is refference to our next way to show our support, you can also access ths information here: http://www.myspace.com/tomwelling4superman

Let the revolution begin!

Awesome, Ganc. :up:

You might want to add the names that Hulk added below to the list of people to contact.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Well i always remember reading the cast original was signed for 5 yrs then whitney actor left after season 1, sam left at end of season 3, and johnathn middle of season 5. Then i read when tom signed new contract at end of season 5 it was a 3 yr deal that made it he was signed through an 8th yr where as allison/erica/michael/kristen were only signed through season 7. Then we are where we are at.

I think you imagined that....Why would they sign Tom to a 3 year deal 5 years into a show that they didnt know was going to last another season at the time? And why would they then only sign Michael for 2? Doesnt make any sense. They all had 7 year deals going in. After that each cast member re-ups one year at a time.

[Webhead2006]

Ok i thought i remember reading something a long while ago that is what happened.

[Gmanofsteel]

Awesome, Ganc. :up:

You might want to add the names that Hulk added below to the list of people to contact.


I'll see what I can find out :) Thanks for the info too Hulk :up:

[KalKai]

Freakin hell..


http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8236/plastique7rc8.jpg

NO ONE CAN COMPETE WITH TOM! NO ONE! xD

[Gmanofsteel]

Got them :D

Alan Horn, President / COO, Warner Bros Entertainment, 4000 Warner Blvd., Burbank, CA 91522 alan.horn@warnerbros.com

Jeff Robinov, President, Warner Bros Pictures Group, 4000 Warner Blvd., Burbank, CA 91522 jeff.robinov@warnerbros.com

Thomas Tull, Chairman / CEO, Legendary Pictures, 4000 Warner Blvd, Bldg 76, Burbank, CA 91522

Gregory Noveck, SVP Creative Affairs, DC Comics, 1700 Broadway, 7th Floor, New York, NY 10019-5905 gregory.noveck@dccomics.com

PMK/HBH, Simon Halls, Publicist, 700 San Vicente Blvd., Ste G910, West Hollywood, CA 90069

[spark627]

Freakin hell..


http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8236/plastique7rc8.jpg

NO ONE CAN COMPETE WITH TOM! NO ONE! xD

unbelievable. THIS IS SUPERMAN. I wish there was a way for us to convey this to the WB.

[Webhead2006]

Could someone manip that image with a supes suit.

[Gmanofsteel]

unbelievable. THIS IS SUPERMAN. I wish there was a way for us to convey this to the WB.

sign the petition and send them letters ;)

[aka Kal el]

i think BR did decent as superman But main hack was BRYAN SINGER

he compeletly ruined superman's image he wasn't suppsed to be depressed emo superhero who doesn't even smile or is in light mood

throughout SR u see superman in very dark seriuous modd which superman is NOT and of couyrse lack of action in SR which was main complaint by many

i say keep BR as superman but sign some better director who understands what or who superman is and should be

I couldn't agree more!!!

[Webhead2006]

Yea maybe BR could have done better if he got a better script. But since WB has finally come out and said that SR was a failure for them and they are going a new fresh start. They are more likely not having BR or any cast members from SR return and singer wont be back either. They want to go all new direction so they want no connections to SR.

[Gmanofsteel]

If any of you have any additional ideas on how to gain support, i'm all ears :)

[Mike22]

Freakin hell..



http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8236/plastique7rc8.jpg

NO ONE CAN COMPETE WITH TOM! NO ONE! xD
Wooow, He has rarely ever looked more like his comic-book counterpart.
Damn, If this dude ain't superman in the next movie, I'll fu**ing hurt somebody.
unbelievable. THIS IS SUPERMAN. I wish there was a way for us to convey this to the WB.
On my to do list.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif I just have to finish a current one of Welling I'm working on, and then straight to this one.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Vote for your favorite Superman

http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2008/08/tell-us-who-is.html

Also a great article by Brad Meltzer...

http://www.usaweekend.com/08_issues/080831/080831superman-brad-meltzer.html

[Webhead2006]

I voted tom and so far tom/chris are the top ones were george and routh got nothing.

[Zorex]

Great little article. :up:

I voted for Chris, of course. Poor Brandon, though.

[ZIPBAGS]

Freakin hell..



http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8236/plastique7rc8.jpg

NO ONE CAN COMPETE WITH TOM! NO ONE! xD

This picture just screams for a manip. :woot:

[LL2K2]

Freakin hell..


http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8236/plastique7rc8.jpg

NO ONE CAN COMPETE WITH TOM! NO ONE! xD

That scene looks familiar...like from a certain movie... :twisted:

*runs*

[Zorex]

Yes, run, girl, run! RUN! :eek:

[Webhead2006]

YEa i said that too any good manipers out there take that tom pic and put the suit on him or something.

[ZIPBAGS]

Alright..Let's assume Warner hires Tom to play Superman in the reboot. How should they do it?...
-Ignore Smallville background (ie-the other cast members and storylines.
-Use Smallville as the setup for the movie. Basically, a movie version of the show
-Just have Tom as Supes but just not discuss his past in Smallville.

[ironman29758]

I voted tom and so far tom/chris are the top ones were george and routh got nothing.
well now routh won first place, Welling got 2nd and Chris Reeve got third

[SpideyVille]

Hmm, what I'm more curious about is what might their excuse be this time for not hiring TW (assuming he indeed wants the role). After all, when JL was being planned, they were talks about keeping Supes out of the movie in order to not confuse fans with a third active face for Superman. Yet now with the reboot, they're faced with the same dilemma. Bringing back BR will make it look like a sequel, yet bringing in a new face is going to "confuse" us all. :dry: So aside from TW denying the role, why else would WB not want this guy?

[SpideyVille]

well now routh won first place, Welling got 2nd and Chris Reeve got third
Hmmm, something smells fishy. When Routh has nearly twice as many votes as the legendary Reeve, you know something weird is going on.

[BMM]

Hmm, what I'm more curious about is what might their excuse be this time for not hiring TW (assuming he indeed wants the role). After all, when JL was being planned, they were talks about keeping Supes out of the movie in order to not confuse fans with a third active face for Superman. Yet now with the reboot, they're faced with the same dilemma. Bringing back BR will make it look like a sequel, yet bringing in a new face is going to "confuse" us all. :dry: So aside from TW denying the role, why else would WB not want this guy?

Warner Bros. wants to reintroduce Superman, making the movie as accessible to all audiences as possible. Why would the studio limit itself by hiring Tom Welling?

[mellyM]

well now routh won first place, Welling got 2nd and Chris Reeve got third

Tom is winning again, but really anyone can vote as many times as they like (refresh and hit change vote) so i don't know how accurate it is. I don't need a poll to tell me who's best though

[SpideyVille]

Warner Bros. wants to reintroduce Superman, making the movie as accessible to all audiences as possible. Why would the studio limit itself by hiring Tom Welling?
I'm not necessarily saying that they should be limited to him, I'm simply saying what could their reason be for not wanting him this time around. I mean for JL, they didn't want to put Routh in without Bale as Batman because then the movies wouldn't seem tied together like they would've liked it to be. And since Nolan and Bale were strongly against using a different adaptation of Batman for JL, they decided to cut Superman as well stating that it was because they didnt want to confuse fans with a new Superman. Yet now they've pushed JLA to the side and are planning to introduce a new Superman anyway. So why not just stick with JLA (without Batman) and introduce the new Superman, then go to the solo flicks like it was planned, rather than completely scratch JLA, which was pretty much already set to start filming?

And if TW is hired now, the movie could stil be accessible to all audiences since the average movie goer probably doesn't even know that Smallville is a show about Superman (if they've even heard of it. I know I had no clue until I started watching it back in Season 5), and just hearing about a new Superman movie will spark interest. And with TW, you also get a large SV fanbase for those who do know who he and what the show is. This will also provide those who have criticized the show for not being the Superman show that they expected it to be, to finally have nothing to complain about. Although of course, this ties back to Zipbags' question about how would they make the film assuming TW gets the role. You risk confusing SV fans if you bring in TW with a completely new cast and new plotline that is not connected to the show. And while you also risk confusing the average movie goer if it's a movie version of the show, since most people will be clueless as to what happened on the show, this could lead the average movie goer who is interested in learning about the Smallville past to pick up the past season of SV on DVD to understand the movie better, which ultimately leads to more $ for WB.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Hmmm, something smells fishy. When Routh has nearly twice as many votes as the legendary Reeve, you know something weird is going on.

based on the comments below the poll I'd say the cattle from a certain actors fan board were blitzing the poll, but I'm sure once all of the Welling and Smallville sites pick up on this, he'll go back way ahead. The real shame of it is neither of them really even come close to Chris, although Tom should be second, followed by George Reeves, Dean Cain, and then George Lazenby err Ruth

[Gmanofsteel]

Welling's lead: http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2008/08/tell-us-who-is.html

Welling: 39.6%
Routh: 34.2%
Reeve: 18.3%

Be sure to make sure everyone who supports welling signs our petition and starts sending letters/emails! http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes

[Gmanofsteel]

make that

Welling: 41.8%
Routh: 32.9%
Reeve: 17.8%

[louiebling$]

I posted these cropped shots in the Drooling Thread, but they seem extremely fitting for this thread as well.

They are from Odyssey - but aside from being pictures of Clark alive and well (which seriously isn't exactly a spoiler), nothing spoilery is revealed.


http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6761/sm8010009wl9.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3010/sm8010001xj7.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2971/sm8010008ji5.jpg

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/5462/sm8010010ya9.jpg

'Nuff said! :up: :supes:

He is superman!!!! NUFF SAID

[Docker2.0]

The sad thing is if Welling doesn't get the part for a Superman movie, there will be yet another candidate to enter the fray.

[ColorfulKrypton]

make that

Welling: 41.8%
Routh: 32.9%
Reeve: 17.8% Cool WELLING IS WINNING AND KICKING ASS!

[ColorfulKrypton]

Freakin hell..


http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8236/plastique7rc8.jpg

NO ONE CAN COMPETE WITH TOM! NO ONE! xDI just Voted For TOM TOO! NOW THATS SUPERMAN!!

[Still Will Kill]

Cool WELLING IS WINNING AND KICKING ASS!

He's got my vote. :woot:

[Webhead2006]

Yea i voted tom yesterday morning. When i posted tom/chris were in the lead with a bunch of votes, dean had a few and george/routh had nothing. But then i read later in the day routh had more votes and i was like ah man, but good to hear welling is ahead again.

[Billy Batson]

based on the comments below the poll I'd say the cattle from a certain actors fan board were blitzing the poll, but I'm sure once all of the Welling and Smallville sites pick up on this, he'll go back way ahead. The real shame of it is neither of them really even come close to Chris, although Tom should be second, followed by George Reeves, Dean Cain, and then George Lazenby err Ruth

George Reeves and Christopher Reeve are the GREATEST :supes: of ALL-Time PERIOD.
Dean Cain was Serviceable, Brandon Routh very forgettable and Tom Welling the next greatest :supes: of ALL-Time that never WAS. :csad:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8236/plastique7rc8.jpg

:wow: DAMN JUST LOOK AT HIM!!! ARE YOU F'EN KIDDING ME???

WARNER BROTHERS WTF??? :cmad:

Alright..Let's assume Warner hires Tom to play Superman in the reboot. How should they do it?...
-Ignore Smallville background (ie-the other cast members and storylines.
-Use Smallville as the setup for the movie. Basically, a movie version of the show
-Just have Tom as Supes but just not discuss his past in Smallville.

Just have Tom as Supes but just not discuss his past in Smallville. :up:
Fans of the new film can go and purchase Smallville on DvD to discover his wacky past.

[Syncos]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8236/plastique7rc8.jpg

This image just oozes Superman.

[Billy Batson]

This image just oozes Superman.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z256/chlarkfan333/CK-Superman_Manip.png

[Gmanofsteel]

Yea i voted tom yesterday morning. When i posted tom/chris were in the lead with a bunch of votes, dean had a few and george/routh had nothing. But then i read later in the day routh had more votes and i was like ah man, but good to hear welling is ahead again.

The BR fans from BR.C have their own petition and promotions going on too. They're trying to get WB to keep Routh for the reboot. The moment they heard about the poll they flocked to get Brandon's % up. On a poll on a site like usa today's that's a pretty big world stage. Whether they realize it or not, they are greatly out numbered by Welling supporters. It has been proven time and time again that Welling has the most support, he keeps winning poll after poll after poll. It is time for the WB to realize that he's the best choice.

BTW all, I contacted Brad Meltzer and Gail Simone about the petition and our promotions. Gail Simone said she likes Tom, but doesn't do blogging, i asked her to sign the petition if she was interested. No reply from Meltzer yet.

[AgentPat]

Oh look, another poll. [checks watch] Yeah, I guess it was about time to start up again, but how many times do they need to sample the waters? I mean, weren't the first few hundred "Who's your favorite?" tests enough? :p

[Pat waves to Jack.] Missed ya, hon. ;)

[louiebling$]

So where so u vote I want in... I wanna vote for TW

[The Incredible Hulk]

So where so u vote I want in... I wanna vote for TW

http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2008/08/tell-us-who-is.html

[bootspark]

From "Why I love Superman. A best-selling novelist on why he adores the Man of Steel."

http://www.usaweekend.com/08_issues/080831/080831superman-brad-meltzer.html

".....The best part of the story has never been the Superman part. It's the Clark Kent part: the idea that all of us are so plain, so ordinary, but we know what it's like to want to rip open our shirts and do something to better the world."

This guy GETS it.

Hello Pat. Nice to see you again. :)

Jack, we need some more pizza.

[louiebling$]

TW is winning :super:

[Olea]

Routh's % is dropping fast. He had about 31% at some point and now it's at 26%.

[MAN O STEEL]

I don't understand for the life of me why Tom Welling wouldn't be running over old ladies to get this part. I mean it's such an honor to even be considered a perfect candidate for superman & he's pissing it away on Smallville. Ya know, he doesn't mind doing Smallville for 8 years even though it's gone downhill but he won't play Superman in a movie that could be epic & launch a movie career. I love Welling I really do but I'll never understand how that dudes mind works.




Steve

[MAN O STEEL]

Also just wanted to add to anyone out there who doesn't like Welling because

A) His nostrals are to wide :whatever:

OR

B) His lips are to big

These arguements I've heared time & time again. Is that the best you guys can come up with as to why he isn't a good candidate as Superman?. I mean seriously, it's weak. Just wanted to throw that out there



Steve

[The Incredible Hulk]

I don't understand for the life of me why Tom Welling wouldn't be running over old ladies to get this part. I mean it's such an honor to even be considered a perfect candidate for superman & he's pissing it away on Smallville. Ya know, he doesn't mind doing Smallville for 8 years even though it's gone downhill but he won't play Superman in a movie that could be epic & launch a movie career. I love Welling I really do but I'll never understand how that dudes mind works.




Steve

well considering that he's never officially turned the role down, I'm not sure you can say that you know how his mind works.

[MAN O STEEL]

well considering that he's never officially turned the role down, I'm not sure you can say that you know how his mind works.


I never said I know how his mind works I said I can't understand how his mind works. I just see it at the moment that at some point WB had to have approached him at some point either before SR or before JLA was supposed to be starting about playing superman & since he didn't play Superman in SR or was never announced in the failed JAL project it leaves me to thinking that he must have turned down those roles. Like I said I don't presume that I know what he's thinking, this is just my assumption.




Steve

[JackMercy]

I never said I know how his mind works I said I can't understand how his mind works. I just see it at the moment that at some point WB had to have approached him at some point either before SR or before JLA was supposed to be starting about playing superman & since he didn't play Superman in SR or was never announced in the failed JAL project it leaves me to thinking that he must have turned down those roles. Like I said I don't presume that I know what he's thinking, this is just my assumption.

Ever been on the tip of an iceberg?

;)

[MAN O STEEL]

Ever been on the tip on an iceberg?

;)


You mean tip OF an iceberg? :cwink:, no, but I don't really know what that means anyway. So have fun with that.




Steve

[Docker2.0]

I've remember reading somewhere, him saying something about a Superman typecast or whatever.....but good luck with that becuase he's already branded as Superman. I honestly think if he wanted the role he couldve had it....and I'm one of the biggest Welling supporters there is!

[B]

George Reeves and Christopher Reeve are the GREATEST :supes: of ALL-Time PERIOD.
Dean Cain was Serviceable, Brandon Routh very forgettable and Tom Welling the next greatest :supes: of ALL-Time that never WAS.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8236/plastique7rc8.jpg

DAMN JUST LOOK AT HIM!!! ARE YOU F'EN KIDDING ME???

WARNER BROTHERS WTF???



Just have Tom as Supes but just not discuss his past in Smallville.
Fans of the new film can go and purchase Smallville on DvD to discover his wacky past.

Superman No Doubt :super::up:

Already Posted that picture about 10 times in different threads on the Planet :oldrazz:

[Gmanofsteel]

http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2008/08/tell-us-who-is.html

Welling 44.6%
Reeve 25.4%
Routh 20.9%
Reeves 4.6%
Cain 4.5%

[Zing79]

A nice quick note about the poll making the rounds. If you only take Welling and Routh in that poll and project it out, Welling would have ~74% of the vote to Rouths ~27%.

It's not a perfect science, but even with a lot of adjusting you could still easily say that Welling's *geek audience is twice as large as Routh's.

As loud as some people may be on Hype against Welling, (and despite the fact they may have found a nice niche home to hang out with each other and bash him), numbers don't lie. The anti-Welling group of people are outnumbered vastly in the geek realms and should learn to accept that fact.

It doesn't mean their opinion is wrong per say, just that it is not indicative of their own demographics opinions on Welling.

*geek audience is defined as people who frequent message boards or websites dedicated to each actor.

[KBX]

A nice quick note about the poll making the rounds. If you only take Welling and Routh in that poll and project it out, Welling would have ~74% of the vote to Rouths ~27%.

It's not a perfect science, but even with a lot of adjusting you could still easily say that Welling's *geek audience is twice as large as Routh's.

As loud as some people may be on Hype against Welling, (and despite the fact they may have found a nice niche home to hang out with each other and bash him), numbers don't lie. The anti-Welling group of people are outnumbered vastly in the geek realms and should learn to accept that fact.

It doesn't mean their opinion is wrong per say, just that it is not indicative of their own demographics opinions on Welling.

*geek audience is defined as people who frequent message boards or websites dedicated to each actor.

I like Routh, and I like Welling. I've never been one to choose sides, and will defend both but I guess you can look it at this way. Welling has been playing Sups for 8 seasons and successful at that, Routh play Sups for 1 movie and it didn't seem to do much for him.

[Zing79]

I've remember reading somewhere, him saying something about a Superman typecast or whatever.....but good luck with that becuase he's already branded as Superman. I honestly think if he wanted the role he couldve had it....and I'm one of the biggest Welling supporters there is!
I strongly dissagree with this statement. Forget even movies for a second. Think of your personal life in general.

How many times have you seen some new management type (or any person in a position of power) take on a job, and not have their own ideas about how to do things?

Returning to Welling and movies. It doesn't necessarily matter if Welling wants, goes after, is willing accept the role. If the director brought on doesn't want him, you'll see that director make every excuse in the book to get who he wants.

And yes I realize there would be producers and execs that could technically shove Welling down any potential directors throat, but (returning back to the real world), you typically don't get to be in a high position of power without learning how to manipulate those above you.

So I could very much see how Welling (even if he wanted the role) might never get it. It would most likely take bringing on a director who liked him in the role and suggested Welling for the role before the topic even came up for discussion with producers and execs.

[barnface]

It's funny isn't it? How back when SR was announced, the idea or dropping of Tom Wellings name as a possible choice would get you flamed? SR fans argued, "He sucks at acting!" or "No one likes him!"

They should take a look at the facts, now. There is no denying it.... Tom Welling IS this generations Superman.

[Zing79]

I like Routh, and I like Welling. I've never been one to choose sides, and will defend both but I guess you can look it at this way. Welling has been playing Sups for 8 seasons and successful at that, Routh play Sups for 1 movie and it didn't seem to do much for him.

It should be pretty obvious now, (and should have been for a long time) just how large Welling's geek audience is when compared to anyone not name Reeve. He's had 8 years to build up a worldwide fan base.

Any time you see these mainstream polls where fan bases unite in an attempt to push their guy over the top, it comes out exactly the same each time. With one notable exception: Welling has been progressively catching up to Reeve year after year. The further away you get from the Donnerverse movies, the more like it is that Welling will supplant Reeve in these polls.

[Zing79]

It's funny isn't it? How back when SR was announced, the idea or dropping of Tom Wellings name as a possible choice would get you flamed? SR fans argued, "He sucks at acting!" or "No one likes him!"

They should take a look at the facts, now. There is no denying it.... Tom Welling IS this generations Superman.
LOL, I don't necessarily know about that. Tom's fan bases are splintered all over the internet. Smallville's board is absolutely burried on Hype (it's not even a subsection of Superman's board).

He's always had a large fan base (even back then). It just so happens that people who dislike him happen to hang out together in a few large groups. While people that love him, hang out it countless small groups.

[SpideyVille]

You mean tip OF an iceberg? :cwink:, no, but I don't really know what that means anyway. So have fun with that.




Steve
It's defined as "A small evident part or aspect of something largely hidden".

This is basically saying that you only know part of the story, since the rest of it isn't seen, or in this case, discussed in public. You may have heard stories and rumors, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are 100% correct, so you can't really comment on something that you don't know the fully story to.

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL, I don't necessarily know about that. Tom's fan bases are splintered all over the internet. Smallville's board is absolutely burried on Hype (it's not even a subsection of Superman's board).

He's always had a large fan base (even back then). It just so happens that people who dislike him happen to hang out together in a few large groups. While people that love him, hang out it countless small groups.

Agreed, Smallville's fanbase in general is pretty damn impressive. I've seen fan sites in just about every language, and entire sites dedicated to things like who Clark dates on the show. While I like to rip on some of the "extremists" in the fanbase it does say something about Tom and the show that so many people feel as strongly about the minutia of the show as they do. This place, while a great board for the show (although it has gone down the past few years), is not even the "tip of the iceberg" (to steal your phrase ;) ) for the shows fandom. Most online SV fans I dont think even realize there's a SV board here.

[bootspark]

Holy Crap! Listen to the radio interview with Welling during season 5 while promoting The Fog....

His actual voice is DEEP and very adult.
He also talks about Superman and being type cast.

Ive never heard it before but its VERY revealing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6agz7pTWlE

[bootspark]

and..........

From the Coventry Telegraph

"Tom Welling takes flight as top choice for next Superman movie"

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2008/08/tom-welling-petition.html

the support is out there

[The Incredible Hulk]

Welling's lead: http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2008/08/tell-us-who-is.html

Welling: 39.6%
Routh: 34.2%
Reeve: 18.3%

Be sure to make sure everyone who supports welling signs our petition and starts sending letters/emails! http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes

Tom's now up to 42%, Reeve is up to 2nd thankfully, and clown is down to 3rd with George Reeves not too far behind him. Common sense abounds, although when all is said and done Chris should be #1.

[Gmanofsteel]

Made a video on you tube to advertise the petition & promotions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOcSvgl04Ts

[Docker2.0]

I strongly dissagree with this statement. Forget even movies for a second. Think of your personal life in general.

How many times have you seen some new management type (or any person in a position of power) take on a job, and not have their own ideas about how to do things?

Returning to Welling and movies. It doesn't necessarily matter if Welling wants, goes after, is willing accept the role. If the director brought on doesn't want him, you'll see that director make every excuse in the book to get who he wants.

And yes I realize there would be producers and execs that could technically shove Welling down any potential directors throat, but (returning back to the real world), you typically don't get to be in a high position of power without learning how to manipulate those above you.

So I could very much see how Welling (even if he wanted the role) might never get it. It would most likely take bringing on a director who liked him in the role and suggested Welling for the role before the topic even came up for discussion with producers and execs.
Did you just reply with my post for the heck of it? :huh: Seriously, in your answer you say you strongly disagree......but you barely touched up on my post at all. But anyway, WB gave Singer free reign on SR and the movie cost over $200M to make and having disappointing BO returns. The WB will do everything they can to make their flagship back in the thick of things by getting the best director, actor and people necessary to do that...if they are smart anyway. Welling is owning in the polls as the people's choice to wear th cape and I'm sure the WB has noticed this. Heck they noticed when fanboys bashed JLM, SR, and Black's GL. :o

[Webhead2006]

Yea hopefully they are seriously looking into welling this time around even if he does reject the offer. I would love to hear hear officially he was offered and if he said yes/no to said offer.

[Zorex]

I mean, weren't the first few hundred "Who's your favorite?" tests enough? :p

It's never enough, when a person feels the need to have their favourite constantly validated. I guess something being your favourite just isn't enough... Ahh, competitive spirit.

[AgentPat]

It's never enough, when a person feels the need to have their favourite constantly validated. I guess something being your favourite just isn't enough... Ahh, competitive spirit.Excuse me? Elitist much?

This is the "Tom Welling as Superman" thread. If one can't feel comfortable reveling about his fan's support here, something's fudged up.

I left this place months ago for many reasons. Sarcastic, mean spirited, and generally rude posts were at the top of the list.

Soooooo not farting around with this kind of indirect insult any more.

*plunk*

[heliorei]

Thank God for a reboot. It’s about time.

As far as it goes, I would love to see Welling portraying the character we all love and support but what kind of reboot should it be?


Use Smallville as continuity?

It’s a possibility. AS much as I love seeing Welling portraying Clark Kent and in my mind, he would be terrific playing Superman ( He’s this generation’s Superman; I Agree) , I really think that there’s a certain sense of injustice not to have the other Smallville’s cast members in this reboot, should Welling be in the movie.

I think everyone agrees Michael Rosenbaum was/is the best Lex Luthor ever. Erica Durance’s performance as Lois is to me, pretty solid, a performance far better than Margot Kidder or Kate Bosworth, IMHO. Annette O’Toole is a great Martha Kent. Michael Mckean as Perry White was great but if they want to recast, fine: he was only in one episode.

As for Chloe, Lana and Pete, they’re not essential for the movie so I wouldn’t consider them.

So to me, a reboot following Smallville could be a very interesting option:

In a way, the origin is already done: We don’t have to worry about it. They simply could use some of Smallville’s footage as flashback. We all know Superman comes from Krypton, He’s last son of a dead civilization, he works at the Daily Planet, he loves Lois…

As a film, it would have a different vibe from TV series, it wouldn’t just be a two /three hour episode put together which is an often complaint from movies made out of tv series like the X-Files or Sex and the City.
Smallville is a prequel above all: it shows the path of a boy who someday will be the world’s greatest hero. In the movie, the boy is already a man who is the greatest hero.

Should they (The WB) consider just Welling, I wouldn’t mind but there would be a certain sense of injustice towards other Smallville’s cast members.

So, IMHO, there are three options:

1- Use Welling but also use others like MR, ED, AT and use Smallville as background. (My favourite option)
2- Just use Welling, forget everything else: new story, new background, etc.( least favourite but still acceptable)
3- Unknown cast for every character, new stories, etc.

[Mike22]

You know...I hear a lot of complaints from the rather aggressive fanboys on the superman section, that with Welling it suddenly becomes Smallville:The Movie.Which I find to be complete and utter bull*****.They're using the audience to justify their dislike for Welling, which they're still a minority at by the way, the polls are indicative of this. Let's be real here, Whiny fanboys aside, no one in the general audience would give a damn whether or not Welling was in this movie, as long as it's good.
Let's take a good look at why we go to the movies to begin with. That's right, to have fun, an evening out with the girlfriend/wife or friends. This of course doesn't apply to a great deal of the Internet fanboys as they will go to see the movie to judge it and then come here and list the number of flaws with it.
As long as the movie is presented in a very appealing way that will peak the audiences curiosity, they WILL go see it. This isn't brain surgery, why the living hell are people making this difficult? Some of the people on boards like these have been here so long and are so affected by the day to day life of living in a fantasy land here, where they seem to have lost touch with what actually goes on in the real world when it comes to this topic.
Basically...I don't think anybody will give a damn about this. People in general aren't gonna go out with the sole purpose of listing what's wrong with a movie, and sitting there with their arms crossed, sarcastically waiting for Chloe to pop up. This is all in the heads a very small minority of fans, that just happen to be a bit loud.
Who ever they cast, people will go see it as long as they find it appealing. And I genuinely believe that with the massive screw up that was SR, the WB have learned their lesson by now, hence the reboot.

I obviously favor Welling because I feel he fits the part in every way, and I feel it would be a natural progression after having been Young Clark for so long. Smallville should be seen as nothing more than a very long rehearsal when it comes to Welling potentially being in the reboot. Because the show and the movie will have nothing in common and I firmly believe that the casting of Welling would not upset anyone other than the 10 usual suspects over in the superman section that ***** and moan every time someone brings Welling up.

[triplet]

Oh look, another poll. [checks watch] Yeah, I guess it was about time to start up again, but how many times do they need to sample the waters? I mean, weren't the first few hundred "Who's your favorite?" tests enough? :p

[Pat waves to Jack.] Missed ya, hon. ;)

It's never enough, when a person feels the need to have their favourite constantly validated. I guess something being your favourite just isn't enough... Ahh, competitive spirit.

Excuse me? Elitist much?

This is the "Tom Welling as Superman" thread. If one can't feel comfortable reveling about his fan's support here, something's fudged up.

I left this place months ago for many reasons. Sarcastic, mean spirited, and generally rude posts were at the top of the list.

Soooooo not farting around with this kind of indirect insult any more.

*plunk*

You thought Zorex's reply a veiled insult? I don't know if that's what he meant it as...

I took his comment to mean that people (fans or even the studios) reassuring themselves that Tom is still wanted dozens of times isn't necessarily a bad thing, in a way it's a good thing.

Really drive home no matter how many times the poll is done, or much time has passed, he's still the number one choice in most people's eyes.

That's okay with me. Each poll will again prove to WB what I know is true: Tom is the single best choice for the part.

Full stop. No further arguments needed.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Reading some of the comments left on that poll makes me embarrassed that I enjoy the same character as some of these people. Christ. Between the blatant homophobic remarks, to people impersonating others, to people whining about the poll being crooked, its just freaking pathetic. How can you love Superman and then act in a way that would repulse him?

Although having been around here as long as I have, I cant say I'm surprised.

[Webhead2006]

Yea some people are just mean jerks in the world. As for welling and if he was picked for reboot and smallville continuity used is a tricky subject.

[spark627]

They should just cast Welling, end Smallville this year, allow a year or two to pass between the end of Smallville and the new movie, no Smallville continuity, just re-start the story... and done.

[Webhead2006]

Well then we are back a square one if its just welling and not connected to smallville. But we will just have to wait and see who the director is, writers, the plot, and who they are looking at for casting once wb makes the offical statement in a month or so on the upcoming dc slate.

[Serene]

There's a huge thread on B.T. about casting going on, and I already posted my mini-rant on why I don't think SV is necessarily negative baggage for Tom in terms of playing Superman.

But you know what? It doesn't matter. It's all about what playground you are posting in. FWIW, this is how I feel about it.


Here's why I don't think that the SV baggage is a big issue for Tom:

The general public, and even casual viewers, only know that there is a show about Superman on somewhere/sometime and this is the guy that plays Superman/Clark Kent. They couldn't possibly even name the supporting cast, let alone want them in a big screen movie.

The majority of die-hard SV fans, who for the most part are an extremely disagreeable bunch, do agree on one thing - Tom. They are a guaranteed ticket sale no matter what. Whether they do or don't want the rest of the cast in the movie (and I would bet most do NOT care either way) isn't really a factor since their numbers are a drop in the bucket.

The fanboys who hate the show with all their indignant fanboy passion would almost assuredly still see the film. After all, it's still a Superman movie.

[Zing79]

Excuse me? Elitist much?

This is the "Tom Welling as Superman" thread. If one can't feel comfortable reveling about his fan's support here, something's fudged up.

I left this place months ago for many reasons. Sarcastic, mean spirited, and generally rude posts were at the top of the list.

Soooooo not farting around with this kind of indirect insult any more.

*plunk*

The hell you aren't! When someone does that, the only response it to come over the top and do exactly what they accused you of doing...times 10.

You get back here!

[Zing79]

There's a huge thread on B.T. about casting going on, and I already posted my mini-rant on why I don't think SV is necessarily negative baggage for Tom in terms of playing Superman.

But you know what? It doesn't matter. It's all about what playground you are posting in. FWIW, this is how I feel about it.


Here's why I don't think that the SV baggage isn't a big issue for Tom:

The general public, and even casual viewers, only know that there is a show about Superman on somewhere/sometime and this is the guy that plays Superman/Clark Kent. They couldn't possibly even name the supporting cast, let alone want them in a big screen movie.

The majority of die-hard SV fans, who for the most part are an extremely disagreeable bunch, do agree on one thing - Tom. They are a guaranteed ticket sale no matter what. Whether they do or don't want the rest of the cast in the movie (and I would bet most do NOT care either way) isn't really a factor since their numbers are a drop in the bucket.

The fanboys who hate the show with all their indignant fanboy passion would almost assuredly still see the film. After all, it's still a Superman movie.

I still don't know how it's negative baggage? It's a show seen around the world with a big fan base. That's not negative baggage. It's only seen that way to small group of people who hundle together and complain about it. Personally I think of this group of people much like...

Waves to Pat...take a note...this is a veiled insult.

...the whiney emo kids at a high school. Just because there are 5 of them hudled together insulting everyone elso doesn't really mean the other 300 kids at school are that bad.

[Serene]

I still don't know how it's negative baggage? It's a show seen around the world with a big fan base. That's not negative baggage. It's only seen that way to small group of people who hundle together and complain about it. Personally I think of this group of people much like...

Waves to Pat...take a note...this is a veiled insult.

...the whiney emo kids at a high school. Just because there are 5 of them hudled together insulting everyone elso doesn't really mean the other 300 kids at school are that bad.


I agree.

Despite my embarrassing double negative above.
Here's why I don't think that the SV baggage isn't a big issue for Tom:


*corrects and facepalms*

[Billy Batson]

Welling 37.1%
Reeve 29.9%
Routh 11.7%
Reeves 10.9%
Cain 10.4%

Have anyone here ever thought about getting Welling as :supes: Manip T shirts printed up?
I'm going to do it and wear it at next year's Comic-con.

[Mikelus]

You can bet that if WB can't find another actor for the reboot, Tom Welling will save the day, he won't reject a very generous offer.

[Prison Mike]

here's hoping he becomes Superman (but I doubt it)

[SamuraiSon6]

i haven't seen the pic posted above......thats pure superman!

[The Incredible Hulk]

There's a huge thread on B.T. about casting going on, and I already posted my mini-rant on why I don't think SV is necessarily negative baggage for Tom in terms of playing Superman.

But you know what? It doesn't matter. It's all about what playground you are posting in. FWIW, this is how I feel about it.

Here's why I don't think that the SV baggage is a big issue for Tom:

The general public, and even casual viewers, only know that there is a show about Superman on somewhere/sometime and this is the guy that plays Superman/Clark Kent. They couldn't possibly even name the supporting cast, let alone want them in a big screen movie.

The majority of die-hard SV fans, who for the most part are an extremely disagreeable bunch, do agree on one thing - Tom. They are a guaranteed ticket sale no matter what. Whether they do or don't want the rest of the cast in the movie (and I would bet most do NOT care either way) isn't really a factor since their numbers are a drop in the bucket.

The fanboys who hate the show with all their indignant fanboy passion would almost assuredly still see the film. After all, it's still a Superman movie.

Good points, and its sort of ironic that the ones complaining about Tom's "negative baggage" are the same people who would have no issue with the same guy who was in the previous failed attempt at starting a franchise, starring in the new one. Now THAT's negative baggage...

[Gold Samurai]

I've remember reading somewhere, him saying something about a Superman typecast or whatever.....but good luck with that becuase he's already branded as Superman.

He wouldn't even take the Smallville role unless it was just about Clark kent. He doesn't want to wear the glasses(remember in season 7 how quickly he got them off for that episode?) and he doesn't want to wear the suit. They'll have to CGI it on him for the finale.

It's like he's a real Clark Kent in the sense that he doesn't want to accept his destiny as Superman(when actually he's playing Clark before the suit)

[The Incredible Hulk]

^Actually he didnt accept the Smallville role until he was able to read a script. He was first offered the role, only being told he'd be "playing Superman in high school." He said his intial fears based on that one sentence was that they were doing something campy like the Superboy series again. Once his agent got a hold of the actual script and saw what they were actually doing, he signed a few days later.

That story gets blown WAY out of proportion like he somehow had to be guilted into playing Superman. I dont know about you, but I wouldnt accept a job offer if all I knew about it was a once sentence summary of the position.

As for the glasses, he's worn them in 3 different episodes now (Whisper, Noir, and Veritas) so I'm not sure he's that opposed to them? I dont think I've heard him comment on wearing them or not

[Billy Batson]

Well I wish the WB make an official announcement stating that Tom Welling have zero interest of ever portraying :supes: of any kind so I can let it the dream go.

[TheLongestDay]

Well I wish the WB make an official announcement stating that Tom Welling have zero interest of ever portraying :supes: of any kind so I can let it the dream go.

No such luck! This is one rollercoaster you get to ride FOREVER!!!:cwink::woot:

[Gmanofsteel]

Have anyone here ever thought about getting Welling as :supes: Manip T shirts printed up?
I'm going to do it and wear it at next year's Comic-con.

Awesome! :D Yeah I've thought about that too

[MAN O STEEL]

Here's a manip made by KillerBee over at B.T & I love it & wanted to share.


http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3151/killerbeesfirstmanipsupwn7.jpg





Steve

[SpideyVille]

^ That looks pretty good

[Gold Samurai]

As for the glasses, he's worn them in 3 different episodes now (Whisper, Noir, and Veritas) so I'm not sure he's that opposed to them? I dont think I've heard him comment on wearing them or not


Welling said in an interview with Carson Daly years ago that he could object to what they had him wearing in the show if he really didn't want to wear it. One of which were the glasses.

[MAN O STEEL]

Here's my version of KillerBee's artwork. Just a few adjustments I'd make.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7787/killerbeesfirstmanipsupno4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/killerbeesfirstmanipsupno4.jpg/1/w1024.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img157/killerbeesfirstmanipsupno4.jpg/1/)




Steve

[Serene]

Welling said in an interview with Carson Daly years ago that he could object to what they had him wearing in the show if he really didn't want to wear it. One of which were the glasses.

:confused:

Are you referring to his appearance on the Late Night with Carson Daly show?

Or, an MTV appearance?

[Serene]

Tom's now up to 42%, Reeve is up to 2nd thankfully, and clown is down to 3rd with George Reeves not too far behind him. Common sense abounds, although when all is said and done Chris should be #1.

I'd be perfectly content with Christopher Reeve coming in first, and Tom coming in second. Or vice-versa.

I was just over there reading the comments. I should be more disgusted, I know, but I can't help but laugh at hilarity of it all.

Made a video on you tube to advertise the petition & promotions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOcSvgl04Ts

Wow... awesome job, Ganc.! :up:

[Gmanofsteel]

Thanks rene :)

[b24]

there is news that current superman rebbot casting looks like

shialeboulf= superman/clark kent

director= michael bay

[04nbod]

so guys, I found this on newsarama. Technically he's not suited up but it definitely says 'superman'. Thought you guys would like

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/JasonPalmer.jpg

[MAN O STEEL]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/JasonPalmer.jpg


Wow that's a beautiful piece right there. I set that baby to desktop. thc for posting. :woot:




Steve

[The Incredible Hulk]

wow, that's an excellent piece of artwork :up:

Although why does Routh look like he's wearing lipstick and blush?

[Docker2.0]

there is news that current superman rebbot casting looks like

shialeboulf= superman/clark kent

director= michael bay

Somewhere a WB is thinking about this! :cmad:
On a sidenote, is anyone sick of the batfans who seem obsessed for TDK to make $1B so they want everyone to go see a few more times to push it over it? Gawd man! The guys act lik they are getting paid for promoting it!

[Mike22]

so guys, I found this on newsarama. Technically he's not suited up but it definitely says 'superman'. Thought you guys would like

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/JasonPalmer.jpg
This is incredible work. Cudos to the artist. Amazinghttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Gmanofsteel]

For those of you who are interested, the TW4S petition has just surpassed the BRB petition. The BRB had a five day head start too.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes

[Lighthouse]

wow, that's an excellent piece of artwork :up:

Although why does Routh look like he's wearing lipstick and blush?

Because thats the way he looks in the movie. Its really sad. I've seen lots of candid pictures of him. I think he looks more like Superman in those pictures then he ever does in the movie. With Tom they don't overdo it with makeup and hair.

[Serene]

so guys, I found this on newsarama. Technically he's not suited up but it definitely says 'superman'. Thought you guys would like

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/JasonPalmer.jpg


In case anyone is interested (and has some spare $$$) laying around for a good cause, that particular original painting is one of the pieces being auctioned off to save the Superman House.

http://www.ordinarypeoplechangetheworld.com/page/siegel-and-shuster-society-auction.aspx#heroes

[Gmanofsteel]

thanks for the info rene, wish I had the dough :(

[Sun-WuKong]

Smallville has gone on long enough with clark kent, superman is needed to help the show continue....

[Migu-EL]

^^^ Nice first post.:o

[Gmanofsteel]

I like him already :D

[Gmanofsteel]

8 days, 300+ sigs :D http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes

remember that old JLA petition of mine? http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html 1,637 sigs

[The Incredible Hulk]

heh remember the REALLY old petition from back in 2004 for the first movie? We had like 15K+

[TheLongestDay]

link them all and send em to WB

[TheLongestDay]

link them all and send em to WB

[Gmanofsteel]

http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2008/09/is-tom-welling.html

This is too cool. I had sent an email to Lorrie Lynch asking her to promote Tom Welling, awesome :D

[triplet]

http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2008/09/is-tom-welling.html

This is too cool. I had sent an email to Lorrie Lynch asking her to promote Tom Welling, awesome :D

Well, I commented.

I don't hold out much hope for this, I'm not sure it was meant to be with so many missed opportunities so far, but I would love to see him in the suit in a feature.

:up:

*crosses fingers*

[Serene]

This casting war is really getting off to a pretty well publicized start.

Perez Hilton (one of the better know online gossip rags) has gotten wind of it.

Interesting choices... http://perezhilton.com/2008-09-04-the-next-superman-is

[Webhead2006]

pretty much the same casting choices as the other sites have been saying the past few days.

[The Incredible Hulk]

wow TW has a lot of support over on PH if u read through the comments. Although if he couldnt do it, I'd be completely OK with Cavill. Funny that theyre bringing out Victor Webster's name again. It's like 2004 all over again...

[triplet]

wow TW has a lot of support over on PH if u read through the comments. Although if he couldnt do it, I'd be completely OK with Cavill. Funny that theyre bringing out Victor Webster's name again. It's like 2004 all over again...



I guess this is starting all over again...

I hope it turns out better this time, but at least Cavill is cute.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I guess this is starting all over again...

I hope it turns out better this time, but at least Cavill is cute.

and he can act and in no way resembles Jason Schwartzman....

[Docker2.0]

For those of you who are interested, the TW4S petition has just surpassed the BRB petition. The BRB had a five day head start too.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes
I'm not signing anything until YOU personally invite me! :cmad:

[Webhead2006]

Yea this is going to be a looong and heated war on casting untill we have officially who is the cast.

[Docker2.0]

Yea this is going to be a looong and heated war on casting untill we have officially who is the cast.
I wonder is WB's plan to cast a unknown or known. They seem to be set on copying Marvel and TDK so it would be interesting to see what route they go.

[triplet]

This casting war is really getting off to a pretty well publicized start.

Perez Hilton (one of the better know online gossip rags) has gotten wind of it.

Interesting choices... http://perezhilton.com/2008-09-04-the-next-superman-is

I keep getting a 404 error.

:(

Oh, well, maybe it actually went through and I just posted five times...

:D

and he can act and in no way resembles Jason Schwartzman....

LOL!

:D

A lot of people like Brandon, but he definitely isn't my cup of tea....

I don't feel any ill will toward him, but I'm glad he's not going to be in the next film.

[Gmanofsteel]

I'm not signing anything until YOU personally invite me! :cmad:

Docker, ol buddy, I personally invite you to sign the official tom for superman petition ;) :)


http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes


:D

[Gmanofsteel]

This casting war is really getting off to a pretty well publicized start.

Perez Hilton (one of the better know online gossip rags) has gotten wind of it.

Interesting choices... http://perezhilton.com/2008-09-04-the-next-superman-is

The word is spreading ;)

[RakuMon]

wow TW has a lot of support over on PH if u read through the comments. Although if he couldnt do it, I'd be completely OK with Cavill. Funny that theyre bringing out Victor Webster's name again. It's like 2004 all over again...

Yeah, it just proves Pat's old point that in areas of the pop culture zeitgeist that aren't beholden to one set of geeks, Tom Welling is a big deal. It's just the vocal minority of ultra-fascist Superman fans that cry foul about Smallville/Welling. The general public (and PH gets tens of millions of hits a day) is as general as you can get. (Just as MSN, USA Today, EW and other classic polls of '03-'04).

[Gmanofsteel]

The support is out there, we just need to continue promoting and getting all our info out there to the fans.

[ZIPBAGS]

Can you imagine if Tom is cast. This forum will be going bananas and the the Superman forum will be going bananas....but, not in the same way. :D

[Webhead2006]

I wonder is WB's plan to cast a unknown or known. They seem to be set on copying Marvel and TDK so it would be interesting to see what route they go.
We have no clue right now untill wb officially announce who they picked as writers and director of the reboot. I hope we get the news in the next 2 months or so. Robinov did say they would be revealing the dc slate within the next month or so. So crossing fingers we find out soon and that they picked good writers who know the character and a good director that loves the character(and not just a certain film version of the character).

[Zing79]

Well, I commented.

I don't hold out much hope for this, I'm not sure it was meant to be with so many missed opportunities so far, but I would love to see him in the suit in a feature.

:up:

*crosses fingers*

I still don't know which mind to be of on this. He has been passed over a few times already, so clearly WB is more than happy to do this without him. But these press clippings + the fact that they cannot afford to fail again (financially) could also mean they pick what they would perceive as the safe choice.

I would be interested to read Jack's take, but WB is only getting one more chance at this before they have to bury the character for a while. Would they really ignore such an easy choice for the role?

I still don't get why they're so stupid about picking him. He's the easiest person to market. Guys would watch it if there was action, and you could plaster Welling on every female mag, and they'd watch it because he tends to be easy on the eyes to them.

Hollywood is the twilight zone of common sense, so I guess I don't know either.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Can you imagine if Tom is cast. This forum will be going bananas and the the Superman forum will be going bananas....but, not in the same way. :D


yeah, the whole of SHH went ape-crap after Sanchez's infamous JLA announcement. Imagine if it happens for another film and this time is actually true... Trust me, if Welling was to star and they had a capable writing/directing team on board, you'd hear a lot less whining from the peanut gallery over yonder. I'm sure there are some mouth-breathers who could care less who is writing and directing as long as "their guy" is in the cape and tights, but there are a lot more sensible people over there than you think.

[Docker2.0]

Docker, ol buddy, I personally invite you to sign the official tom for superman petition ;) :)


http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes


:D

I signed! :O ......but I'm only #344. :csad:

[Lighthouse]

yeah, the whole of SHH went ape-crap after Sanchez's infamous JLA announcement. Imagine if it happens for another film and this time is actually true... Trust me, if Welling was to star and they had a capable writing/directing team on board, you'd hear a lot less whining from the peanut gallery over yonder. I'm sure there are some mouth-breathers who could care less who is writing and directing as long as "their guy" is in the cape and tights, but there are a lot more sensible people over there than you think.

If they did it, at the very least, we wouldn't have to go through another casting war. I still have nightmares about the last one.

[Docker2.0]

If they did it, at the very least, we wouldn't have to go through another casting war. I still have nightmares about the last one.

I'm hoping it doesn't go that far. I'm hoping they only have either Welling or Routh wear the cape. Especially since Routh is willing AND wanting to do it again.........though my preferance is Welling. I just don't want 3 guys being Superman or in the same category for the same period of time.

[RakuMon]

I still don't know which mind to be of on this. He has been passed over a few times already, so clearly WB is more than happy to do this without him. But these press clippings + the fact that they cannot afford to fail again (financially) could also mean they pick what they would perceive as the safe choice.

I would be interested to read Jack's take, but WB is only getting one more chance at this before they have to bury the character for a while. Would they really ignore such an easy choice for the role?

I still don't get why they're so stupid about picking him. He's the easiest person to market. Guys would watch it if there was action, and you could plaster Welling on every female mag, and they'd watch it because he tends to be easy on the eyes to them.

Hollywood is the twilight zone of common sense, so I guess I don't know either.

Color me curious as well.

In my eyes, WB can't keep using the "we want to keep milking Smallville" excuse, because at this point, it's a choice between a TV franchise on its last legs (say what you will about the exciting new season, but shows rarely survive when nearly the entire cast and its showrunners leave) or kick-starting a potentially lucrative film franchise that will reinvigorate a cinematic character they've been trying to revive for more than two and a half decades.

It's a no brainer to me, but WB is apparently run by idiots--except for the ones who green lit Nolan on the Bat franchise. ;)

[The Incredible Hulk]

If they did it, at the very least, we wouldn't have to go through another casting war. I still have nightmares about the last one.

As a decorated veteran of the Casting Wars and the "JLA Incident" I don't know if I have the energy for another battle.

Maybe I can be like that old guy in the Civil War movies that just walks around playing the flute or beating a drum... :)

[triplet]

As a decorated veteran of the Casting Wars and the "JLA Incident" I don't know if I have the energy for another battle.

Maybe I can be like that old guy in the Civil War movies that just walks around playing the flute or beating a drum... :)

Do we get a pension or qualify for a GI Bill because of being casting war vets? Or maybe get a bonus for working in a combat zone?

I hope so, becaue it would sure be nice to get something for all the heartbreak and angst I've been through, especially if they want to call my ass back up for another tour...

;)

[Webhead2006]

Yea i to believe season 8 is most likely going to be the end, we may get a solo ga or jla spin off hopefully to continue the smallville universe and then u know get smallville guys to pop in once in awhile for a guest spot and/or write-direct episodes. I am crossing my fingers PS3 give us a good season and dont make the same mistakes al/miles gave us over the past 7 yrs.

[Docker2.0]

Yea i to believe season 8 is most likely going to be the end, we may get a solo ga or jla spin off hopefully to continue the smallville universe and then u know get smallville guys to pop in once in awhile for a guest spot and/or write-direct episodes. I am crossing my fingers PS3 give us a good season and dont make the same mistakes al/miles gave us over the past 7 yrs.

PS3? Are we talking video games or a tv show? :huh:

[Webhead2006]

PS3 is the label us fans gave to the new show runners peterson, sounders, slavkin, and swimmer.

[Docker2.0]

PS3 is the label us fans gave to the new show runners peterson, sounders, slavkin, and swimmer.

With the direction the CW is going, I don't have a lot of confidence in season 8. All the shows look alike, they cancelled Smackdown, rumors of Supernatural being cancelled...........I'm just not confident the new writers will be any different from the 90210 writers.

[Webhead2006]

ok docker but besides from all the stupid relationship stuff everything else we been hearing and seeing looks great. Clark more proactive and out being a hero, working at the planet with lois, ollie going 180 and doesnt think life of a hero is right for him, bringing in plastique, maxima, losh, etc.... Its shaping up to be a good season. As for PS3 they have seemed alot more honest and wanting to give the fans what we want then al/miles ********ting us fans over the years. Also they been writers/producers since season 2 and are probably happy now not to be under the control of al/miles. Now is the season going to be great we will have to wait and see. As for the smackdown thing yes they canceled it due to the narrow minded president dawn O wanting only teen/girl drama crap of gossip girl/90210/etc..... instead of being like other networks and open to different types of shows.

[ZIPBAGS]

Speaking of the old casting wars. What ever happened to Emi?

[Webhead2006]

she is still around she and her husband steve have the savesuperman site. She hasnt really posted much in the last few months i believe she been busy with real life work.

[RickO'Connell]

PS3 is the label us fans gave to the new show runners peterson, sounders, slavkin, and swimmer.

It is a ****ty label because the Playstation 3 has that label & it is already more known as the PS3. Surely you guys can be more creative then to just copy cat something that already had PS3

[bootspark]

Speaking of the old casting wars. What ever happened to Emi?


Emi and her husband Steve run savesuperman.com.

[Webhead2006]

I am not the one it made it lol i only used it after i started seeing people say it. Its alot easier then saying peterson/sounders/slavkin/swimmer.

[RickO'Connell]

Emi and her husband Steve run savesuperman.com.

Are they still scamming & ripping off fans that does the teddy bear thing ?

[Webhead2006]

they not doing that teddy bear thing lol. The whole point for steve/emi's site it to get wb to reboot superman, and now we are getting a reboot film. Now yes the steve guy wanted to write a script but now since wb's plans are set with a reboot and they are making deal with writers for the project and director they are not looking at any more pitchs.

[RickO'Connell]

I did not need a re cap on that reboot stuff :o

[Billy Batson]

Can you imagine if Tom is cast. This forum will be going bananas and the the Superman forum will be going bananas....but, not in the same way. :D

:woot: I know I will, it'll be as if my favorite football team won the Superbowl.
I'd just be beside myself for weeks. http://www.heathersanimations.com/food/ban4.gif

[Webhead2006]

Ok sorry rick.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Speaking of the old casting wars. What ever happened to Emi?

Emi wasnt around in the old casting wars back in 2004. She only appeared magically during the JLA thing last year.


It is a ****ty label because the Playstation 3 has that label & it is already more known as the PS3. Surely you guys can be more creative then to just copy cat something that already had PS3

umm THATS THE POINT. That's exactly why they're called "PS3" because it's the moniker for the Playstation 3 so it's tongue in cheek since the 4 showrunners just happen to have those initials. Outside of that the acronym "PS3" has no relevance. Easy there fanboy, no one's "copying" anything.....take a deep breath...

[triplet]

Yeah, so what if they're called PS3?

I think it's cute. Besides, it's a helluva lot easier than saying all four of their names....

[Webhead2006]

YEa it is alot easier i hope they do a vid on season 8 dvd about their nick name like i was watching season 6 dvd set awhile ago and they had that vid talking about all the shorthand names for all the relationships in the show.

[The Incredible Hulk]

^ do you realize like 99% of your posts are "yea" followed by an affirmation of the previous post?

[Webhead2006]

Sorry, it just happens most of the time.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Please vote for Tom Welling to be Superman in the new movie in the new poll in www.supermanhomepage.com

[The Incredible Hulk]

^ this has almost gotten boring. Would be something for Welling to even come close in a pro-Routh, pro-SR site like that. I've heard that you get banned over there if you speak ill of SR on their forums.

I'd be much more converned with polls in places that aren't fanboy hang-outs like the ones on MSNBC, USA Today, etc.

[Serene]

^ this has almost gotten boring. Would be something for Welling to even come close in a pro-Routh, pro-SR site like that. I've heard that you get banned over there if you speak ill of SR on their forums.

What are you talking about, Hulk? Don't you know they're HUGE SV fans - when it gets them some attention that is. :rolleyes:

Hypocrites. I wouldn't waste my time to go there again, not even to vote for Tom. Sorry BW29.

I'd be much more converned with polls in places that aren't fanboy hang-outs like the ones on MSNBC, USA Today, etc.

:up:

[Webhead2006]

Actually i heard the guys who run that homepage do like smallville but one of the guys baily i believe is his name bashs it all the time. And i always heard they have been a pro singer/pro routh site for yrs.

[smsvmos]

Actually i heard the guys who run that homepage do like smallville but one of the guys baily i believe is his name bashs it all the time. And i always heard they have been a pro singer/pro routh site for yrs.

The funny thing about Neal Bailey is that he is the biggest hypocrite of all, He is the first that turns Smallville down but when Smallville asked for ppl to send a video to see who was the biggest Smallville fan he was one of the first ppl that send a video. And he now writes for the Smallville magazine writing small story's

[The Incredible Hulk]

Actually i heard the guys who run that homepage do like smallville but one of the guys baily i believe is his name bashs it all the time. And i always heard they have been a pro singer/pro routh site for yrs.


they like whoever will give them recognition, grant them access, or help sell merchandise and god help you if you get in their way. I could tell you stories that some other webmasters have relayed to me about the people at that site, that would make your head spin.

[JackMercy]

I still don't know which mind to be of on this. He has been passed over a few times already, so clearly WB is more than happy to do this without him. But these press clippings + the fact that they cannot afford to fail again (financially) could also mean they pick what they would perceive as the safe choice.

I would be interested to read Jack's take, but WB is only getting one more chance at this before they have to bury the character for a while. Would they really ignore such an easy choice for the role?

I still don't get why they're so stupid about picking him. He's the easiest person to market. Guys would watch it if there was action, and you could plaster Welling on every female mag, and they'd watch it because he tends to be easy on the eyes to them.

Hollywood is the twilight zone of common sense, so I guess I don't know either.


I presume you're speaking of moi? Why thank you, Zing, ol' buddy. Nice to see you here again...

It's the conundrum of the ages...

They have tried the Classic Coke...

Now should they try New Coke...?

But wait -- New Coke was a bit of a failure on the market, wasn't it?

However, did New Coke have the detailed and extensive market testing that the 'Ville has had?

Perhaps...

How about Oreos?

Everyone loves the original, but what about double-stuff?

Those are great, but can you digest double-stuff all the time, or is it just too much satisfaction?

You know, birds like to flock around open bags of leftover food, but do they miss the fresh sandwiches just around the corner?

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around, did anyone hear it?

Did it happen at all?

How about chicken wings? Nice accessory to a pizza, but how many can you eat before you destroy the anticipation for the main course?

The truth is, your brother's old superhero costume that's lying in the closet, can't be taken seriously this Halloween, so you need to buy a new one...

However, your brother may not want to be Elongated Man this year...what if he wants to be Richard Nixon? Or perhaps Orson Welles?

Ahh, so many conundrums...where does it all end -- or begin?

Then again, we could just retreat to what Anne Thompson at Variety had to say on the matter some months ago: "Who plays Swooperman will depend on who directs Swooperman."

:word:

[The Incredible Hulk]

*head asplodes*

[Gmanofsteel]

Well everyone, I just made a new manip, the problem is its probably too much to post here because a few people would get annoyed, so if anyone wants to see it, drop me a pm.

[triplet]

they like whoever will give them recognition, grant them access, or help sell merchandise and god help you if you get in their way. I could tell you stories that some other webmasters have relayed to me about the people at that site, that would make your head spin.

I believe it.

Steve Younis and I traded some emails once and let me say, I'm not sure I like the guy much.

Don't get me started on Bailey and how he rants about Smallville then turns around and writes for the magazine...

:rolleyes:

*writes note to self about sending a query letter to the Smallville mag*

[heliorei]

^ this has almost gotten boring. Would be something for Welling to even come close in a pro-Routh, pro-SR site like that. I've heard that you get banned over there if you speak ill of SR on their forums.

I'd be much more converned with polls in places that aren't fanboy hang-outs like the ones on MSNBC, USA Today, etc.


There is a word which pretty much defines how they run things over that website:

Fascists. :cmad:

I believe it.

Steve Younis and I traded some emails once and let me say, I'm not sure I like the guy much.

Don't get me started on Bailey and how he rants about Smallville then turns around and writes for the magazine...



*writes note to self about sending a query letter to the Smallville mag*

You have my support.

[Webhead2006]

Hey hulk yea pm me message on the stuff u heard about SHP dudes i would love to hear more on their antics lol.

[AgentPat]

...Then again, we could just retreat to what Anne Thompson at Variety had to say on the matter some months ago: "Who plays Swooperman will depend on who directs Swooperman."Bingo! I don't think this (that) will ever change. It's not going to matter what director they get; every director wants to make their own statement. A studio could insist on a certain actor or actors, but if the director doesn't want "X" or "Y," they can't be forced to cast those individuals. And the studio could veto a director's choice(s) as well.

I see Cavill is back in the fan-casting suggestion box, along with Cavs and Webster. How original.

It's all so 2004, all over again. *Face palm*

At this point, I think folks need to put the Welling dream to bed. Any director charged with rebooting Superman is going to want their own flyboy. They're not going to want one that's pre-established, which includes Routh *or* Welling. And despite the fact that G&M are no longer attached to SV, I think they'd still be a road block for Welling playing Superman in a film. $$$

And if Singer is involved as a producer as rumors seem to indicate, I don't see him advocating Welling. Lets be realistic here.

Then there's SV's new producer's desire to keep the show going as long as they can. I can't imagine making such a statement if they knew Welling was down the road at the end of this season. The man makes 150k/episode and he loves playing Clark. To my knowledge, he's never made any statements about wanting to leave the show, unlike Kreuk and Rosenbaum. He must be leaving his options open with them, otherwise we'd be seeing ads for S8 (ala S5) "Everything you wanted to see..."

TW will always be my Superman, and I believe he is this generation's Superman as well, but Warner Bros. painted themselves into a deep, dark corner with SR. Routh was forgettable at best, no thanks to Singer's poor decision to requil Donner. Now the fanbase will be splintered not just two but three ways going forward. Even Cocacola didn't have that problem. It doesn't surprise me that Warners isn't quite sure about how to proceed...


*head asplodes*Was a fun read though, wasn't it? :D

[Brainiac 8]

I believe it.

Steve Younis and I traded some emails once and let me say, I'm not sure I like the guy much.

Don't get me started on Bailey and how he rants about Smallville then turns around and writes for the magazine...

:rolleyes:

*writes note to self about sending a query letter to the Smallville mag*

HA...I thought the same thing when Bailey got the Smallville mag deal.

It is especially funny considering how much he seems to dislike the show, the writing, and the general direction it takes. I don't have much experience with Younis though, so I can't say.

[triplet]

There is a word which pretty much defines how they run things over that website:

Fascists. :cmad:

Yeah, well. I *never* go over there for just this reason.

They're rabid.


You have my support.

Oh, thanks.

Yeah, I wasn't sure I have the journalistic chops to actually write articles, but I actually have a little experience outside of writing reviews and also would LOVE to intervew people.

I did a couple of interviews when I worked for that newspaper (a free weekly) a few years back, I enjoyed that so I'd love to do that more, or maybe even do some fiction for the magazine even.

I'd have to find out sort of stories they'd be looking for going down the line.... I betcha I could write Lois pretty well

;)

HA... I thought the same thing when Bailey got the Smallville mag deal.

It is especially funny considering how much he seems to dislike the show, the writing, and the general direction it takes. I don't have much experience with Younis though, so I can't say.

He's the worst kind of writer. He produces only what he thinks his audience will buy into.

I have never really believed that there is really any such thing as a completely objective review, so his opinions don't bother me, not really.

I don't agree with his opinions, but the problem is that I don't think he agrees with them either.

As for me, I love the show still and people sometimes question whether I'm sincere and whether I really believe what I've written.

I wouldn't have written it if I didn't believe it... sometimes I find out I made the wrong assumption based on what happened in the show, but at least at the time of the review, it was what I believed.

I don't think Neil does really have that level of committment to his own opinions.

I think it's been made clear by his writing for the official magazine for a show he seeminly detests that he's willing to sell his soul if the money is right.


Bingo! I don't think this (that) will ever change. It's not going to matter what director they get; every director wants to make their own statement. A studio could insist on a certain actor or actors, but if the director doesn't want "X" or "Y," they can't be forced to cast those individuals. And the studio could veto a director's choice(s) as well.

I see Cavill is back in the fan-casting suggestion box, along with Cavs and Webster. How original.

It's all so 2004, all over again. *Face palm*

At this point, I think folks need to put the Welling dream to bed. Any director charged with rebooting Superman is going to want their own flyboy. They're not going to want one that's pre-established, which includes Routh *or* Welling. And despite the fact that G&M are no longer attached to SV, I think they'd still be a road block for Welling playing Superman in a film. $$$

And if Singer is involved as a producer as rumors seem to indicate, I don't see him advocating Welling. Lets be realistic here.

Then there's SV's new producer's desire to keep the show going as long as they can. I can't imagine making such a statement if they knew Welling was down the road at the end of this season. The man makes 150k/episode and he loves playing Clark. To my knowledge, he's never made any statements about wanting to leave the show, unlike Kreuk and Rosenbaum. He must be leaving his options open with them, otherwise we'd be seeing ads for S8 (ala S5) "Everything you wanted to see..."

TW will always be my Superman, and I believe he is this generation's Superman as well, but Warner Bros. painted themselves into a deep, dark corner with SR. Routh was forgettable at best, no thanks to Singer's poor decision to requil Donner. Now the fanbase will be splintered not just two but three ways going forward. Even Cocacola didn't have that problem. It doesn't surprise me that Warners isn't quite sure about how to proceed...


Was a fun read though, wasn't it? :D

I don't think it was fun, but then again I'm not sure who or what to believe at this point...

[Serene]

I see Cavill is back in the fan-casting suggestion box, along with Cavs and Webster. How original.


I like Cavill. He's grown up nicely.


It's all so 2004, all over again. *Face palm*

At this point, I think folks need to put the Welling dream to bed. Any director charged with rebooting Superman is going to want their own flyboy. They're not going to want one that's pre-established, which includes Routh *or* Welling. And despite the fact that G&M are no longer attached to SV, I think they'd still be a road block for Welling playing Superman in a film. $$$

I think you make excellent points, but I also think that there's a difference this time around. Most of us who were here for the last casting war have hopefully learned enough from that to have more realistic expectations. In other words, don't get your hopes up kids! :)

I'm still going to root for Tom because he is the perfect man for the job, SV baggage or not, but I'm not going to set my heart on it actually happening. I can be content with the 8 years of TV Superman time he's given us.

And if Singer is involved as a producer as rumors seem to indicate, I don't see him advocating Welling. Lets be realistic here.

I hadn't heard that Singer might still be involved. It seems rather humiliating for him to hang on when they've clearly stated how disappointed they were with his last effort.

Then there's SV's new producer's desire to keep the show going as long as they can. I can't imagine making such a statement if they knew Welling was down the road at the end of this season.

See? I can see them trying like hell to get themselves another season or two as EP's of a long-running show like SV.

TW will always be my Superman, and I believe he is this generation's Superman as well, but Warner Bros. painted themselves into a deep, dark corner with SR. Routh was forgettable at best, no thanks to Singer's poor decision to requil Donner. Now the fanbase will be splintered not just two but three ways going forward. Even Cocacola didn't have that problem. It doesn't surprise me that Warners isn't quite sure about how to proceed...

QFT. :up:

Great to see you again, Pat. :)