Tom Welling as Superman

[KBX]

The same can be said about Tom Welling & keeping the new movie a reboot. Its a double standard because of actor preference

I am not going to disagree you there. Unlike a lot of folks around these boards I am a Superman fan first. And I enjoyed both Routh and Wellings perfomance over the years. If it really is a reboot, I would want an new actor. Routh had his chance and it didn't work out. You don't reboot everything and have the same actor. The thing is with Welling is he is still not yet Superman, but he is getting up there in age(don't get me wrong 30 is pretty young, just for all this to get done he will probably be 35 if started)

All is all the Green Lantern cameo will be written out, thats probably what I think will happen. Don't give yourselves more problems then you have...

[Webhead2006]

Yea with superman film and wb we just dont know what is going to happen with a next film if they ever do get another one out before 2013 court date when shuster's heir goes to court and could take wb/dc copyright share away from them. Personally after the mess SR was i want to see a total clean slate reboot with new cast, crew, story and stepping away from the donnor/singer setting.

[Mikelus]

Fact is most people don't know who Tom Welling is or have no idea about the tv show called Smallville, so is not the same situation as Brandon's.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i just really wish wb could get on the ball with their dc hero films. It sucks ever since the crappy last two schumaker batman movies, and the halle berry catwoman film they seem like they dont want to take a chance. That is why i really do like marvel's films mostly they atless try and they get their characters to the screens. Yes some have been stinkers where others have turned out to be pretty good/decent films. I really dont see what is the dam problem with wb getting ww/GA/flash/aquaman/etc......... films out.

And right now yea that GL film looks to be the one to happen next since it has writers/producers/director/various crew members and we are just waiting on casting.

[Prison Mike]

Yea with superman film and wb we just dont know what is going to happen with a next film if they ever do get another one out before 2013 court date when shuster's heir goes to court and could take wb/dc copyright share away from them. Personally after the mess SR was i want to see a total clean slate reboot with new cast, crew, story and stepping away from the donnor/singer setting.

me too! I'm tired of the Donner universe. I'm even willing to give Millar a shot if he's serious about this. I just want a new cast and crew and new universe. I wouldn't mind an updated origin story either.

I should add that I don't mind either dedicating a whole movie to the origin or just retelling it in flashbacks like Batman Begins. If they do the latter, it could save some valuable screen time and focus more on the plot.

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL @ Singer stammering all over the place about a new Superman film. Nice knowing ya Bry

http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=7877

[Cmill216]

Hahaha!

"Well it’s, you know, I have relationships with Warner Brothers and with the character and, and, and, and it’s just the way things work out."

That's awesome.

[Serene]

Hm.

I'm trying to think of a reason why he can't just admit that he's totally off the Superman franchise, if that's indeed true. Do you think he still has hopes of being a part of it and doesn't want to publicly take his name out of all the buzz about it? Is it just face-saving?

I also wonder who is soiling their drawers more over Valkyrie being a success - Singer, or Cruise? ;)

[mellyM]

Hm.

I'm trying to think of a reason why he can't just admit that he's totally off the Superman franchise, if that's indeed true. Do you think he still has hopes of being a part of it and doesn't want to publicly take his name out of all the buzz about it? Is it just face-saving?

I also wonder who is soiling their drawers more over Valkyrie being a success - Singer, or Cruise? ;)

I didn't realize it'd been released yet

[Serene]

I didn't realize it'd been released yet

It's not released until Christmas. I should have phrased that better. What I meant was that both Singer and Cruise have, as USA Today put it (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-11-30-cruise-valkyrie_N.htm), "stumbled as of late."

[Webhead2006]

Singer just keeps giving us the run around. I just want WB to be clear on what they want and i want to see a clean slate reboot with no connection to donnor/singer/etc........

[mellyM]

It's not released until Christmas. I should have phrased that better. What I meant was that both Singer and Cruise have, as USA Today put it (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-11-30-cruise-valkyrie_N.htm), "stumbled as of late."

Oh sorry:) Yeah, i'm thinking they are about to stumble yet again, lol.

[RakuMon]

Fact is most people don't know who Tom Welling is or have no idea about the tv show called Smallville, so is not the same situation as Brandon's.

Indeed.

Also, I don't understand the logic of those who think how casting Tom Welling in a Superman movie is not a reboot. As far as I can tell, Welling has never played Superman on the big screen, so wouldn't a new Superman movie with Welling in the lead be, by default, a "reboot" of the film franchise?

I mean, even a "Smallville" movie (with Erica and Rosey) would technically be a "reboot" of the film franchise since their characters and backstories have no relation to the one's previously on screen.

So how does WB's desire to "reboot" the movies automatically take Welling out of the running?

[The Incredible Hulk]

Hm.

I'm trying to think of a reason why he can't just admit that he's totally off the Superman franchise, if that's indeed true. Do you think he still has hopes of being a part of it and doesn't want to publicly take his name out of all the buzz about it? Is it just face-saving?

IMO based on his deal to develop a sequel, he's going to get paid a nice sum of money just to walk away from the project. Might even get a meaningless producer exec producer credit on a new film depending on whatever agreement they came to. So while he'll have nothing to do with it creatively, he wont be completely "divorced" from it either as the interviewer said.


I also wonder who is soiling their drawers more over Valkyrie being a success - Singer, or Cruise? ;)

Likely Cruise since he fronted the whole UA revival and got all of the big investors involved. It's his neck on the line if that thing doesnt do well. Singer on the other hand is quickly getting a reputation of being a director that overspends and underperforms. This would only cement that, given all of the budget overruns, if it doesnt do well.

Honestly the concept behind the film interests me, but why the hell are they releasing a film about an assassination attempt on Adolf Hitler at Christmas time? :confused: Suaully we get kids movies or stuff like King Kong, LOTR, etc. Not exactly your cheerful holiday type movie. Are they trying to sneak it in to theaters in time for the Oscars?

[ZIPBAGS]

They could make a reboot with Welling as Superman. Even if it keeps nothing from the Smallville series. Think about it. Most Smallville fans would be just as thrilled if Welling was Supes even if it ignored the Smallville mythos. And the general public, who may not watch Smallville, would go to see Superman. They will not care about Smallville as long as the movie is good. And even if they heard he was on Smallville. All they would know is he played the character Superman/Clark on tv.

[Whoa]

They could make a reboot with Welling as Superman. Even if it keeps nothing from the Smallville series. Think about it. Most Smallville fans would be just as thrilled if Welling was Supes even if it ignored the Smallville mythos. And the general public, who may not watch Smallville, would go to see Superman. They will not care about Smallville as long as the movie is good. And even if they heard he was on Smallville. All they would know is he played the character Superman/Clark on tv.

The problem with that is its alienating the one half of the fan base that does not like Welling & the same thing with those that does not like Routh. A reboot is better off without any of these two. The best interest for the WB is to not try & split up the fan base again & go with someone new

[RakuMon]

The "fanbase" argument is another false argument. WB is about making money, not appeasing a bunch of whiny fanboys. "Splitting the fanbase" is not on their list of priorities, trust me.

The bottom line is Smallville makes money relative to its cost. Superman Returns didn't.

Now, I'm not saying WB will cast Welling in a reboot (I get the feeling any rebooted movie will be from scratch), but I am saying that his involvement in Smallville (or his reputation with certain fans) isn't going to mount to a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things.

In fact, I'd think that his Smallville connection should, in a just world, actually help his chances for a Superman movie.

The bean counters aren't stupid. They know creating a movie with the budget of Superman is going to be astronomical. Singer proved an already astronomical budget can grow ad infinitum in the wrong hands. They also know what their television division is doing on a weekly basis up in Canada on a slashed production budget. Which one gives them more bang for their buck?

In our economy, which do you think is the smarter choice?

--Hire a complete unknown as Superman, pair him with a big name director and screenwriter who has a vision for the franchise, pull in the top FX houses and a budget of more than $300 million.

--Hire a known quantity with a background with the character, port over the television crew and producers, maybe tag an acclaimed comic scribe (like Geoff Johns?) and give 'em a budget of $150-$175 million.

The first option is the classic high risk-high reward. If it's a smash, then great! But, you're going to have to make an awful lot of money to get any of it back (which was SR's problem).

The second option is the safer route. Even if it isn't a gigantic hit and only barely makes $200M (again, like SR), it'll still make a significant amount of money, relative to its cost. But, because the producers and financiers don't come out of it in the red, you're able to build on the success a la Batman Begins begetting The Dark Knight.

Who knows where WB's mind is now? There's going to be a lot of infighting between divisions, but I don't think anyone in charge really gives a rat's ass about certain factions of fanboys and girls.

[ZIPBAGS]

I am not a fan of Routh. But, it was the story and the background (ie-Lex as criminal) that was more the reason I didn't like SR. If Routh is in the reboot. I will still see it. I am a Superman fan. I am sure the same can be said for those who don't like Welling. They will still go see the movie. And hopefully the story and background are great and they won't care.
Also, I think the Superman fan base was split not because of Routh..But, because of how the story was handled...Donnerverse, Lex and especially Jason. And like Rakumon said. The fanbase (those who either are Welling or Routh devotees) are not that large. Welling has a bit of advantage since Smallville pulls in 5 million viewers per week. And I can almost guarantee that you will automatically have 5 million ticket buyers if Welling is in the movie.

[The Incredible Hulk]

The problem with that is its alienating the one half of the fan base that does not like Welling

Wait, who says 1/2 the fanbase doesnt like Welling? :confused: How do you substantiate that number? Any Superman casting poll that his name is ever in, that's on an unbiased site, he normally slaughters the field. Most longtime Superman fans, like myself, actually like the guy.

[Mikelus]

Again, fanboys are just a very tiny minority of the audience, they don't make or break a movie. Most of the general public doesn't know Tom Welling nor Smallville, so is not a problem, if the movie has a good story to tell (plus cool action), and the right casting, then it should be a huge success, unless people don't care about Superman anymore.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Wait, who says 1/2 the fanbase doesnt like Welling? :confused: How do you substantiate that number? Any Superman casting poll that his name is ever in, that's on an unbiased site, he normally slaughters the field. Most longtime Superman fans, like myself, actually like the guy.I got to agree with Hulk here. It is not that the fanboys don't like Welling but more that they don't care for Smallville. I have said many times now Welling and Routh are both a victum of the project they were in. I mean many people love Routh but just hate Superman Returns and the same is said about Welling.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Again, fanboys are just a very tiny minority of the audience, they don't make or break a movie. Most of the general public doesn't know Tom Welling nor Smallville, so is not a problem, if the movie has a good story to tell (plus cool action), and the right casting, then it should be a huge success, unless people don't care about Superman anymore.
No the public knows them they just tuned out and lost interest.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Wait, who says 1/2 the fanbase doesnt like Welling? :confused: How do you substantiate that number? Any Superman casting poll that his name is ever in, that's on an unbiased site, he normally slaughters the field. Most longtime Superman fans, like myself, actually like the guy.
I'm a longtime Superman fan and I don't like him. The "Most" in your phrase is total speculation.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm a longtime Superman fan and I don't like him. The "Most" in your phrase is total speculation.

The fact that you dont like him, doesnt invalidate my comment as I said "most" noit "all." So I'm not sure why you felt the need to point that out? :confused:

In my experiences talking with long time fans, and by "long time" I mean those of us who were around pre-crisis, and not kids who consider 10 years a long time, most of them have no issue with Welling. Pointing out that it's specualtive is rather pointless since it's a given I havent talked to every one in the world but rather it's coming from my point of view over the past 8 years on the web, talking to people, polls, etc.

[Mikelus]

No the public knows them they just tuned out and lost interest.

Tom Welling is not famous, I was talking about the general public, not former TV viewers of the show. :whatever:

[RakuMon]

The fact that you dont like him, doesnt invalidate my comment as I said "most" noit "all." So I'm not sure why you felt the need to point that out? :confused:

In my experiences talking with long time fans, and by "long time" I mean those of us who were around pre-crisis, and not kids who consider 10 years a long time, most of them have no issue with Welling. Pointing out that it's specualtive is rather pointless since it's a given I havent talked to every one in the world but rather it's coming from my point of view over the past 8 years on the web, talking to people, polls, etc.

I'll go ahead and throw my two cent in on this as well. As someone who has actually been in the industry for several years, I can tell you that there's a lot of support for Tom Welling among people who aren't rabid fanboys (but are employed to cater to them).

Even if they don't agree with the liberties the show has taken (or even watch the show) a lot of folks I've talked to agree that Welling (and Rosenbaum) have been the best cast Superman and Lex in the modern era.

Again, like Hulk, this is by no means an absolute statement. But the vitriol towards Welling you see here or at SHP or Blue Tights are really, honestly limited to those places. I think it's safe to say that Welling hate is much more of a niche market than a lot of the haterz like to admit.

[The Incredible Hulk]

No the public knows them they just tuned out and lost interest.


At it's highest, Smallville had around 8 million viewers in the US. There are like 300+ million people in this country.

[heliorei]

I know some people won't agree with me but putting Smallville not the next level is still the safest bet for the WB. Smallville still is a money maker (considering it is in its eight season !) for a TV show and imagine with the right promotion, it could perform a lot in the box office.

Having a well estabilshed viewers (meaning around 5 million viewers) is like 50 million dollars guarantee. Add to that, those who lost contact, will see it again, meaning more income.

And to me, If somehow Tom Welling was chosen for the part, IMHO, it would only be fair if they brought the rest of the cast: I like very much Michael Rosenbaum as Lex, Erica Durance as Lois, Aaron Ashmore as Jimmy and Annette O'Toole as Martha Kent.

Since Smallville is a pre-Superman show, the movie would have to be necessarily different from the tv show since we would have a full Superman on the movie.The movie wouldn't feel like an extended episode of the tv series.

Continuity?

People don't have to know about happenned in the series to see the movie and they won't feel alienated (meaning the people who don't see Smallville). It won't really mattered for the movie and if people feel interested in what happen before, they can always buy the DVDs: it's a win-win situation, making money on both fronts.

But right now, everything points out for a reboot and for me that means an unknown actor for the role.

[LL2K2]

^That would be interesting to see, considering only one TV-show-to-film has grossed more than $200 million at the box office - Mission: Impossible 2:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=basedontv.htm

[Double Down]

^ Yeah, and imagine if they just cast the movie with the TV show actors instead. It would not have made $200 million.

[The Incredible Hulk]

^That would be interesting to see, considering only one TV-show-to-film has grossed more than $200 million at the box office - Mission: Impossible 2:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=basedontv.htm

OK genius now go back and adjust those films for inflation. Tell me what The Fugitive or the Star Trek films (most of which came out in 80's and made above or around $100 million at the time) would be now? (click the "adjust for inflation" link in the upper right)

Adjusted for 2008 inflation:

1. Star Trek: The Motion Picture: Domestic: $235.9 mil + Foreign: $162.5 mil = Worldwide: $398.4 mil
2. Star Trek: The Voyage Home: Domestic: $209.3 mil + Foreign: $44.5 mil = Worldwide: $253.8 mil
3. The Fugitive: $250.7 mil
4. Star Trek: First Contact: Domestic: $147.4 mil + Foreign: $86.5 mil = Worldwide: $233.9 mil
5. Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan: Domestic: $190. 0 mil + Foreign: $43. 6 mil = Worldwide: $233.6 mil
6. Star Trek: Generations: Domestic: $131.4 mil + Foreign: $73.6 mil = Worldwide: 205.0 mil
7. Star Trek: The Search for Spock: Domestic: $161. 2 mil + Foreign: $22.1 mil = Worldwide: $183.3 mil
8. Star Trek: Insurrection: Domestic: $106.0 mil + Foreign: $64.0 mil = Worldwide: $170.0 mil
9. Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country: Domestic: $126.0 mil + Foreign: $32.1 mil = Worldwide: $158.1 mil
10. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier: Domestic: $92.6 mil + Foreign: $31.9 mil = Worldwide: $124.5 mil
11. Star Trek: Nemesis: Domestic: $52.9 mil + Foreign: $29.3 mil = Worldwide: $82.2 mil

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/tickermaster/listing.cfm?tmID=2812

^ Yeah, and imagine if they just cast the movie with the TV show actors instead. It would not have made $200 million.

umm the original Mission Impossible TV show was on air from the late 1960's to the early 1970's. Peter Graves was 70 years old by the time they started making the MI movies, and Peter Lupus and Greg Morris were pushing 70. No crap, it wouldnt have made $200 million :rolleyes: Maybe when they're making a Superman movie in 2033 you'll have a point.

[hippie_hunter]

The fact that you dont like him, doesnt invalidate my comment as I said "most" noit "all." So I'm not sure why you felt the need to point that out? :confused:

In my experiences talking with long time fans, and by "long time" I mean those of us who were around pre-crisis, and not kids who consider 10 years a long time, most of them have no issue with Welling. Pointing out that it's specualtive is rather pointless since it's a given I havent talked to every one in the world but rather it's coming from my point of view over the past 8 years on the web, talking to people, polls, etc.

Dude, my sister who has no interest at all in Superman and whatnot saw an episode of Smallville and mentioned that Welling and Kruek are horrible actors (though Rosenbaum is freaking awesome). Most critics see Welling as a horrible actor.

Most people would have an issue with Welling as Superman for a) He brings Smallville's baggage with him, b) He's a bad actor, c) both. And this is from the web, talking to people, polls, etc. Most people would rather see Routh or a new person over Welling. The people who want him are the Smallville fanatics.

[hippie_hunter]

OK genius now go back and adjust those films for inflation. Tell me what The Fugitive or the Star Trek films (most of which came out in 80's and made above or around $100 million at the time) would be now? (click the "adjust for inflation" link in the upper right)

Adjusted for 2008 inflation:

1. Star Trek: The Motion Picture: Domestic: $235.9 mil + Foreign: $162.5 mil = Worldwide: $398.4 mil
2. Star Trek: The Voyage Home: Domestic: $209.3 mil + Foreign: $44.5 mil = Worldwide: $253.8 mil
3. The Fugitive: $250.7 mil
4. Star Trek: First Contact: Domestic: $147.4 mil + Foreign: $86.5 mil = Worldwide: $233.9 mil
5. Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan: Domestic: $190. 0 mil + Foreign: $43. 6 mil = Worldwide: $233.6 mil
6. Star Trek: Generations: Domestic: $131.4 mil + Foreign: $73.6 mil = Worldwide: 205.0 mil
7. Star Trek: The Search for Spock: Domestic: $161. 2 mil + Foreign: $22.1 mil = Worldwide: $183.3 mil
8. Star Trek: Insurrection: Domestic: $106.0 mil + Foreign: $64.0 mil = Worldwide: $170.0 mil
9. Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country: Domestic: $126.0 mil + Foreign: $32.1 mil = Worldwide: $158.1 mil
10. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier: Domestic: $92.6 mil + Foreign: $31.9 mil = Worldwide: $124.5 mil
11. Star Trek: Nemesis: Domestic: $52.9 mil + Foreign: $29.3 mil = Worldwide: $82.2 mil

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/tickermaster/listing.cfm?tmID=2812
You got a good point there, overall movies that are a continuation of a TV show are mixed successes.

Star Trek has lost a lot of steam. Maybe J.J Abrams will revitalize it or it could be a huge bomb.

And for every success you have: The Naked Gun movies, South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut, Sex in the City, the Simpsons Movie, the Rugrats Movie, etc. you have The Nude Bomb, Reno 911!: Miami, Brain Candy, the X-Files movies, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm which were complete failures

umm the original Mission Impossible TV show was on air from the late 1960's to the early 1970's. Peter Graves was 70 years old by the time they started making the MI movies, and Peter Lupus and Greg Morris were pushing 70. No crap, it wouldnt have made $200 million :rolleyes: Maybe when they're making a Superman movie in 2033 you'll have a point.
Movies like Mission Impossible, Starsky and Hutch, Charlie's Angels, Get Smart, etc. don't count because they're not continuations of the TV shows they're based on.

And those too are mixed successes for all those movies, you have complete failures like Bewitched, the Honeymooners, the Brady Bunch, and Leave it to Beaver.

In the end TV movies whether they're reinterpretations of direct continuations have a 50/50 track record.

I'd also like to add that adding for inflation is downright stupid. It's nothing but a hypothetical and not a true account of how much money the movie actually made and that hypothetical money never went into studio pockets.

[Tomwelling4sups]

Dude, my sister who has no interest at all in Superman and whatnot saw an episode of Smallville and mentioned that Welling and Kruek are horrible actors (though Rosenbaum is freaking awesome). Most critics see Welling as a horrible actor.

proof please, and unless your sister is a professional movie critic, then no she doesn't really count.

Most people would rather see Routh or a new person over Welling. The people who want him are the Smallville fanatics.
really? because going by the "web"

835 people disagree with you http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes

and for justice league 1,849 http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html

and the br lovers? 437 http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/REBOOTNOWAY

[hippie_hunter]

I'm referring to professional critics, they criticized Welling's acting in movies such as the Fog and Cheaper by the Dozen. My sister is just someone who was walking by and saw such bad acting.

And Petitions Online is not a true gauge on how to determine on what people want. It's a site that no one pays attention to. Put together, most people don't want Tom Welling. They'd either want someone who doesn't bring the baggage of Smallville or Superman Returns (this part is the majority of the people who don't want Welling) or people who want Routh back (who received far better critical acclaim than Welling).

[Double Down]

proof please, and unless your sister is a professional movie critic, then no she doesn't really count.


really? because going by the "web"

835 people disagree with you http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes

and for justice league 1,849 http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html

and the br lovers? 437 http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/REBOOTNOWAY

Those petitions are meaningless. All three of them have plenty of fake signatures: initials only, people signing for their family members, fictional characters, etc. And even then, those numbers are so small as to not matter to anyone.
I mean, I have a feeling this poll - http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2008/08/tell-us-who-is.html - has more votes than the three you listed combined. And what stock would you put in that?

[AgentPat]

...Most critics see Welling as a horrible actor...You know, making statements like this in this thread is just going to piss people off. It's an opinion that can't be proven unless you want to start posting every review Welling has ever had and tally up the pros and cons. Good luck with that.

I neither have the time or the energy to pull a "Most Powerful" but the consensus I have seen in publications such as Variety, Hollywood Reporter, The New York Times and USA Today is that Welling is a competent actor, credited as one of the reasons for Smallville's success - a show that "helped jumpstart an entire franchise." (link (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117936821)). Midway through SV's run, the trend seemed to be one in which both fans and critics noted a marked improvement in Welling's performances from earlier seasons. Within the last two years, Welling has been referred to as the "go-to" guy on set since he often advises fellow castmates as well as crew - high praise for an allegedly "horrible" actor.

As to Welling's film roles, few critics had anything specific to say about his supporting performances in CBtD as both pics were ensemble comedies headed by Steve Martin. Welling was hardly in the sequel, which is fortunate since he only had 10 days to shoot his scenes in between SV's schedule. And The Fog was panned as a film that never should have been made. Even Welling said, "I did 'The Fog' in a fog. ...They shot for a month before I got there and it was shot at night and really fast." (link (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117936815)) Compare that to the time and money spent on a summer tenpole, where the lead(s) have literally months to prepare for their roles before principal begins and plenty of time during the shoot to concentrate on getting each scene (hopefully) perfect.

Yeah. Apples and oranges.

This is by no means an argument for a Welling-headed Superman feature film. I think that time - if there ever was one - has passed. But it's very irritating to me to see these extrapolations being made based merely on someone's own tastes and preferences. Just because you don't like Smallville or think Welling is "a horrible actor" doesn't mean your opinion is held by "most critics." Generalize much?

Anyway, the best pipe dream I think fans can hope for at this point is that Warner Bros. will loosen up their vice-like grip on SV and let the producers end the show the way it SHOULD end based on eight years of tease. After that, the sky's the limit. Err... with other roles, I mean.

[Mikelus]

I'm referring to professional critics, they criticized Welling's acting in movies such as the Fog and Cheaper by the Dozen. My sister is just someone who was walking by and saw such bad acting.

And Petitions Online is not a true gauge on how to determine on what people want. It's a site that no one pays attention to. Put together, most people don't want Tom Welling. They'd either want someone who doesn't bring the baggage of Smallville or Superman Returns (this part is the majority of the people who don't want Welling) or people who want Routh back (who received far better critical acclaim than Welling).

Majority according to who? You? :whatever:
Please, is a matter of opinion, and opinions are subjective.

Routh failed the casting for the role of CK on Smallville and Jensen Ackles was the runner-up to Welling. Jensen is a better actor than BR too IMO. Casting is one of SV's strongest points, a lot of people agree with this, even haters.

Q: Before that didn't anyone tell you that you looked like Christopher Reeve?

Routh: No. No one mentioned it until him. So, it's been in the books for a long time because of that. And then when "Smallville" was auditioning I auditioned for that. I got a call back. Was really excited about that. And it didn't happen and I was kind of like, "Well there goes that! There's no way they're gonna do Superman again!" But of course it's been in the works before I even went out there, with [Nic] Cage and all that in the beginning. And I moved to New York right when "Smallville" was happening, that's when I booked "One Life to Live". So I was in New York at the height of promotions for "Smallville", and Tom [Welling] was everywhere. [Laughs] And at that time I was like [pulls a face] [Laughter], but now it's great and I've since, even after that, started watching the show.


Many believe BR is a bad actor (too wooden, not charismatic enough, bland face), others think Welling looks more like Superman and is a better actor (more expressive), to each its own, again, is a matter of opinion.

If you compare the best episodes of Smallville with SR, is easy to see more potential on TW, plus Tom having a closer resemblance to Superman (face and stronger body), is better for the role IMO. Tom has a good range acting wise, when he plays Bizarro or red K Clark you can appreciate the subtleties of his portrayal, not over the top "evil", just the right dose, a really bad actor can't do that well.

And the best for last... :word:

Roger Ebert:
'Routh lacks charisma as Superman, and I suppose as Clark Kent, he isn't supposed to have any'.


When comparing Smallville's Clark Kent to Bryan Singer's Superman (Brandon Routh), in Superman Returns, Seattle Times' Julia Waterhous finds Smallville's Clark Kent to be the more intriguing character. Waterhous explains that it is the inner turmoil of the Clark—not being able to tell the people he loves his secret—and the fact that no matter what his faults are he continues to put others before himself, remains "pure and good", and allows the audience to become intimate with the character - something lacking in the film version. According to the Associated Press, Welling's popularity as Clark Kent on Smallville even had fans of the show wishing that he would take the role Routh received in Superman Returns.


Christopher Reeve:

"Smallville's Tom Welling would be an ideal candidate".


I think actors know much more about acting than fanboys. Reeve knew what it takes to be Superman on the big screen.

:super:

[Serene]

Dude, my sister who has no interest at all in Superman and whatnot saw an episode of Smallville and mentioned that Welling and Kruek are horrible actors (though Rosenbaum is freaking awesome). Most critics see Welling as a horrible actor.
Most people would have an issue with Welling as Superman for a) He brings Smallville's baggage with him, b) He's a bad actor, c) both. And this is from the web, talking to people, polls, etc. Most people would rather see Routh or a new person over Welling. The people who want him are the Smallville fanatics.

Oh good grief.
If we are going to quote anecdotal "proofs" here, I can add that, every one of my friends who saw SR (non-SV fans, btw) wanted to know why Welling wasn't cast in it. Beyond bland was their general opinion of the guy who was. They don't know SV, but they know Welling is anything but bland. And yes, that's about as valid an observation as yours - which means, not at all, in the big picture.



As to Welling's film roles, few critics had anything specific to say about his supporting performances in CBtD as both pics were ensemble comedies headed by Steve Martin. Welling was hardly in the sequel, which is fortunate since he only had 10 days to shoot his scenes in between SV's schedule. And The Fog was panned as a film that never should have been made. Even Welling said, "I did 'The Fog' in a fog. ...They shot for a month before I got there and it was shot at night and really fast." (link (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117936815)) Compare that to the time and money spent on a summer tenpole, where the lead(s) have literally months to prepare for their roles before principal begins and plenty of time during the shoot to concentrate on getting each scene (hopefully) perfect.

Yeah. Apples and oranges.

Amen, sister. It's so easy and ridiculous for people to try and compare The Fog and Superman Returns.


Anyway, the best pipe dream I think fans can hope for at this point is that Warner Bros. will loosen up their vice-like grip on SV and let the producers end the show the way it SHOULD end based on eight years of tease. After that, the sky's the limit. Err... with other roles, I mean.

And I'll give that a second (and louder) Amen. :)

Good to see you, Pat. I've missed seeing you around here, lady.


Many believe BR is a bad actor (too wooden, not charismatic enough, bland face),

I actually saw him in a few comedic short films and I thought he did a really entertaining job. I can't buy him at all dramatically (based on the two dramatic roles I've see him in), but I liked the guy a lot in a comedic setting.
*shrug* Maybe it's just a case of finding his niche.

[Prison Mike]

I think Brandon is a good actor, he was just given a bad script. If he is chosen for the next Superman film and it's a great story, I think he could impress a lot of people. But again, I prefer someone totally new to take on the reboot.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Dude, my sister who has no interest at all in Superman and whatnot saw an episode of Smallville and mentioned that Welling and Kruek are horrible actors (though Rosenbaum is freaking awesome).

oh well hell if you're sister doesnt like him then by all means, he should stop acting on the spot.

Most critics see Welling as a horrible actor.[/quote]

Being a mod, I'd hope you'd be above making horrible arguments by trying to quantify things with which you have no basis to back up. But I see that's not the case.


Most people would have an issue with Welling as Superman for a) He brings Smallville's baggage with him, b) He's a bad actor, c) both. And this is from the web, talking to people, polls, etc. Most people would rather see Routh or a new person over Welling.

but yet in any poll the two were ever in together on a mainstream website, Welling kicks the crap out of him.


The people who want him are the Smallville fanatics.

You're wrong yet again. I for one am not a "fanatic", I've been a Superman fan for 35 years. I enjoy Smallville for what it is, but dont think it's some kind of beacon TV production. Many of us here are the same way. Notice how these things always start up when people come into these forums. It's not us going out into the Superman forums and starting this crap. I Also, nice job on stirring up a bee's nest here.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'd also like to add that adding for inflation is downright stupid. It's nothing but a hypothetical and not a true account of how much money the movie actually made and that hypothetical money never went into studio pockets.


You obviously have no concept of simple economics, if you're going to say "adding for inflation in downright stupid." There's nothing hypothetical about it. It's basic economics. Given the value of money changes over time, its the only way to compare economic factors from different time periods.

No one is saying the "hypothetical money" went into anyone's pockets. Because it didnt. Inflation is used to give you an idea of what a movie that was released 20 years ago would've made today given the number of tickets it sold at the time.

Saying "movie x" wasnt a success because it didnt make over $200 million when it was released 20 years ago therefor it's failure is what's a stupid statement. Movie tickets were about 1/3 of what you'd pay for them now in 1986. (and that doesnt even get into what the movie's budget since the profit ius truly how you measure a film's success not it's revenue)

Why do you think Gone with the Wind is still considered the most successful film of all time even though it only grossed $198.6 million in 1939? Because if you take the tickets it sold and used today's prices it would've made $1.4 billion. No one's saying MGM got that money, but it does show just how many people went to see it and just how successful it was by today's standards.

[Webhead2006]

yea i dont really want to get in this debate who is a better actor with welling/routh.

[Mostpowerful]

You know, making statements like this in this thread is just going to piss people off. It's an opinion that can't be proven unless you want to start posting every review Welling has ever had and tally up the pros and cons. Good luck with that.

I neither have the time or the energy to pull a "Most Powerful" but the consensus I have seen in publications such as Variety, Hollywood Reporter, The New York Times and USA Today is that Welling is a competent actor, credited as one of the reasons for Smallville's success - a show that "helped jumpstart an entire franchise." (link (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117936821)). Midway through SV's run, the trend seemed to be one in which both fans and critics noted a marked improvement in Welling's performances from earlier seasons. Within the last two years, Welling has been referred to as the "go-to" guy on set since he often advises fellow castmates as well as crew - high praise for an allegedly "horrible" actor.

As to Welling's film roles, few critics had anything specific to say about his supporting performances in CBtD as both pics were ensemble comedies headed by Steve Martin. Welling was hardly in the sequel, which is fortunate since he only had 10 days to shoot his scenes in between SV's schedule. And The Fog was panned as a film that never should have been made. Even Welling said, "I did 'The Fog' in a fog. ...They shot for a month before I got there and it was shot at night and really fast." (link (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117936815)) Compare that to the time and money spent on a summer tenpole, where the lead(s) have literally months to prepare for their roles before principal begins and plenty of time during the shoot to concentrate on getting each scene (hopefully) perfect.

Yeah. Apples and oranges.

This is by no means an argument for a Welling-headed Superman feature film. I think that time - if there ever was one - has passed. But it's very irritating to me to see these extrapolations being made based merely on someone's own tastes and preferences. Just because you don't like Smallville or think Welling is "a horrible actor" doesn't mean your opinion is held by "most critics." Generalize much?

Anyway, the best pipe dream I think fans can hope for at this point is that Warner Bros. will loosen up their vice-like grip on SV and let the producers end the show the way it SHOULD end based on eight years of tease. After that, the sky's the limit. Err... with other roles, I mean.

:whatever: NO, you pulled an "Agent Pat", it seems..







:woot: :cwink:

[Tomwelling4sups]

An "Agent Pat" has a lot more credibility :D

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

And so the debate continues... its 2006 all over again... *sigh*

[LL2K2]

if i m not wrong late chritopher reeve also acknowleged that TW will do good as a next superman

Chew on this tidbit from 2003...

http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/n-2003.html

January 17, 2003: At a New York press conference in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, Christopher Reeve and Tom Welling talked to reporters to publicize the episode Rosetta before its filming. Heidi MacDonald attended the press conference for Mile High Comics presents... Comicon.com Pulse to write her cover story A Tale of Two Supermen. In MacDonald's article she wrote: "When asked to compare the two Supermen, Reeve scolded, "Shhhh, he doesn't know he's Superman yet!"...The door may even be open for Swann to be a recurring role, although, Reeve joked, "Let's how see this goes!" Reeve mentioned how refreshing it was to get a chance to play this role. "It's a great break from lobbying and politics,"...Asked about the upcoming Superman movie, Reeve said that producer Jon Peters had called him up a few months before. "He told me that his original idea was to do a film of Superman Vs Batman, to be directed by Wolfgang Petersen. They were pretty far into it, and then Jon saw the documentary that my son made about me and how five years after the injury I started to move." Peters was so moved that he began to rethink the idea. "Why should [they] have two superheroes fighting? The movie that Warner Brothers is making now will be a much more uplifting and spiritual story. " He declined to name anyone he thought would be suitable for the title role, but added "The character is more important than the actor who plays him because of the mythology. I'm sure that they'll take their time and find the right man. But it should be an unknown." He then looked at Welling and said "Tom, you're probably not an unknown any more."" TV Guide Online also covered the press conference for their article Superman's Reeve Flies to Smallville where Reeve is quoted talking about the character he plays: "I play a scientist who has given most of his life to advanced astronomy and looking out into the solar system," Reeve previews. "I discover some information that is very relevant to Clark, and I bombard him with e-mail and phone calls to get him to come to New York. Finally, he does, so he's going to learn some things about his character."

[Prison Mike]

this discussion has made me want to see Rosetta again...

[The Incredible Hulk]

Chew on this tidbit from 2003...

http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/n-2003.html

You're right the character is more important than the actor playing him. But this is quite amusing, especially coming from the crowd that "wont see the new film unless "holdover actor X" is in it."

[blksuperman2]

Dude, my sister who has no interest at all in Superman and whatnot saw an episode of Smallville and mentioned that Welling and Kruek are horrible actors (though Rosenbaum is freaking awesome). Most critics see Welling as a horrible actor.


LMAO. Wow that's definitive proof right there. I guess I should stop watching SV now.:whatever:

[Tomwelling4sups]

this discussion has made me want to see Rosetta again...

I know, reading this post makes me want to see it too :p

*puts Season 2 disc 5 into dvd tray*

[Tomwelling4sups]

You're right the character is more important than the actor playing him. But this is quite amusing, especially coming from the crowd that "wont see the new film unless "holdover actor X" is in it."

exactly. From what I've seen, you, I and many other Welling supporters have clearly said they'd still see a Supes movie if Welling wasn't in it. Several in the BR crowd have said they wouldn't see it if Routh wasn't in it.

[Mikelus]

Chew on this tidbit from 2003...

And chew on this one (I posted "the phrase" a while back)... ;)

After four Superman movies in the '70s and '80s, the blockbuster film franchise got worn out. Hey, the first two flicks were fab. But Christopher Reeve trading one liners with Richard Pryor in Superman III? Oy. And Reeve's face off with Nuclear Man — a solar-powered Chippendale's dancer — in Superman IV: The Quest for Peace? 'Twas like kryptonite to Supes fans! In a promising turn of events, Brett Ratner (Rush Hour, Red Dragon) has been tapped to direct the newest installment, with Alias creator J.J. Abrams tackling sceenplay duties. Perhaps they can save the Man of Steel.

First off, how closely will the new film resemble its predecessors? "It's very much like the fourth," Abrams jokes to TV Guide Online, then explains, "It's sort of a slightly different telling of a familiar story. It's very much an origin story, and there are some great surprises in it. I'm such a huge fan of the character, the comics of it. I think it's something that if you love the character, you'll love the story. [But] I think you will not have to have seen [the previous films] to invest in it."

Casting is underway, but Abrams denies he wrote the film with any particular actor in mind. (According to reports, Josh Hartnett, Jude Law, Ashton Kutcher and Brendan Fraser are among the potential Clark Kents under consideration.) "I'm just convinced that there is someone out there who was born to do it," he says, "and whether his name is familiar or not remains to be seen." (We just thank heavens Nic Cage "snapped out of it" and bowed out.)

Who would Reeve choose to succeed him as Lois Lane's lover? "In my opinion," he says, "the character is more important than the actor who plays him, because it is an enduring mythology. I'm sure that they'll cast appropriately, and take their time and find the right person. But it definitely should be an unknown." That said, Reeve adds that "[Smallville's Tom Welling would] be an ideal candidate. I don't know if [he] can switch from one job to the other, but I'm sure they'd figure it out!"

Reeve says producer Jon Peters scrapped the original Superman vs. Batman idea after seeing his son Matthew's documentary, Christopher Reeve: Courageous Steps. "The positive message of that made him [think], 'Why should we have two superheroes against each other?'" Reeve explains. "So the movie that Warner Bros. is making now — which I will be doing some consulting on — will be a much more uplifting and spiritual story. I was really blown away that they completely decided to change the process."

http://www.tvguide.com/news/superman-ratner-brett-40691.aspx

[JackMercy]

...Does anyone else feel like they're stuck in a children's movie universe, where there's always some spoiled rich kids stomping up in front of the protagonists, making self-aggrandizing statements about how much better their toys are...?

:word:

[Tomwelling4sups]

...Does anyone else feel like they're stuck in a children's movie universe, where there's always some spoiled rich kids stomping up in front of the protagonists, making self-aggrandizing statements about how much better their toys are...?

:word:

yeah, its a shame their "toys" are now on the "recall" list now :p

[Serene]

And chew on this one (I posted "the phrase" a while back)... ;)

Well, that's interesting. I'm not sure that I've ever seen that article before, Mikelus. Thanks for posting it.

I think I'm getting a bit senile. :O

[Mike_D202]

Hulk Hogan as Zod FTW.

[Prison Mike]

why hatin on SR

after all according to ALMILES the airplane rescue scene in SR was THE best SFX action packed scene in this decade

we have to take their word for it:)

that scene was pretty good though...

[Ultimate_Superman]

to think about it Superman franchise never work at Big screen

other than 1st two superman movies rest of superman movies wrer failure both critical and box office wise

and wasn't SR suppsed to be "reboot" too and since that flopped they are rebooting the rebootNo it was a sequel to the first two movies not a reboot.

You're right the character is more important than the actor playing him. But this is quite amusing, especially coming from the crowd that "wont see the new film unless "holdover actor X" is in it."

exactly. From what I've seen, you, I and many other Welling supporters have clearly said they'd still see a Supes movie if Welling wasn't in it. Several in the BR crowd have said they wouldn't see it if Routh wasn't in it.So let me get this straight. Say if Tom Welling is not Superman but they keep Brandon Routh as Superman (as some sites have stated) you guys would still see this movie even if it is a reboot? And this is a question to all SV and Welling fans. Because I have seen many say they wont see this movie with out him for a reboot or if Routh is still Superman.

[Mikelus]

My decision to watch the next Superman movie will be based on the quality of the story, the cast and the director. If any of these elements is not right for me, I will wait for a proper torrent. :word:

[Ultimate_Superman]

My decision to watch the next Superman movie will be based on the quality of the story, the cast and the director. If any of these elements is not right for me, I will wait for a proper torrent. :word:Okay Mike lets go another way would you see another Superman film staring Brandon Routh. Lets say it has a good story and a cast you like but Brandon Routh is Superman instead of named actor here. Would you see the movie. Thats my question.

[Syncos]

If they can sell me on a good story i'll likely see it. I don't see Routh as Superman. But I think it is possible to make a good movie despite his lack of dramatic acting chops or physical likeness to the character.

It would take a lot to sell me on that hypothetical movie, though.
A Superman movie with Welling however, would have me in a seat. At least once. I've seen him play the role for 8 years, and know that given proper direction and proper story he'd nail it.

If they show me a trailer for another Lex Luthor goofy shenanigan scheme to steal land. You can count me out. Regardless of actor.

[Prison Mike]

Okay Mike lets go another way would you see another Superman film staring Brandon Routh. Lets say it has a good story and a cast you like but Brandon Routh is Superman instead of named actor here. Would you see the movie. Thats my question.

I would say yes. Most people here are Superman fans first. So if the story is good and cast is good, I don't see why anyone would not want to see the movie just because of Routh. If you are just a Welling fan, then I can understand but if you are a superman fan first, then the movie is a MUST!! :yay:

[LL2K2]

And chew on this one (I posted "the phrase" a while back)... ;)

With no disrespect intended towards Reeve, then, he did a complete 180 on his previous statement.

[Tomwelling4sups]

No it was a sequel to the first two movies not a reboot.

So let me get this straight. Say if Tom Welling is not Superman but they keep Brandon Routh as Superman (as some sites have stated) you guys would still see this movie even if it is a reboot? And this is a question to all SV and Welling fans. Because I have seen many say they wont see this movie with out him for a reboot or if Routh is still Superman.

I'd still see it, even if (ugh) Routh was in it. As others have said, if the story is good then that's the most important element. I am considering however, to not watch the new film in theaters *if* warners decides to prevent smallville from having the ending it deserves. My money can be better well spent elsewhere than to waste it on a movie created by those responsible for robbing my show of something it deserved. I'm still a Superman fan at heart, but I won't give them any kind of satisfaction for their stupidity.

[Webhead2006]

really whats the point if the film ends up being a total and complete reboot like robinov wants, if routh returns that makes no sense. Since SR failed and wb has come out and said now the film didnt work out the way they hoped for. So doing a complete and total reboot with new cast/crew and getting away from donnor/singer setting and story would greatly help out new film to be able to distance it self as far away as it could be from donnor/singer.

[Captain Kirk]

right now SV is the only sucessfull live action franchise on superman but maybe because they made clark more human and reletable unlike in movies:whatever:No, Superman Returns was just a boring sappy Love story instead of an exciting event film that it should have been. I'm telling you if WB would just make a film that was faithful to the comics and bring in more of the mythology from the books then this would turn into a blockbuster franchaise!

[Webhead2006]

the biggest problem with WB is they dont know what to do with with their dc characters on film, they got very lucky with nolan/batman.

[Captain Kirk]

the biggest problem with WB is they dont know what to do with with their dc characters on film, they got very lucky with nolan/batman.You nailed it! It sucks that DC doesn't have their own studio like Marvel does!

[blksuperman2]

So let me get this straight. Say if Tom Welling is not Superman but they keep Brandon Routh as Superman (as some sites have stated) you guys would still see this movie even if it is a reboot? And this is a question to all SV and Welling fans. Because I have seen many say they wont see this movie with out him for a reboot or if Routh is still Superman.

Tom Welling is the definitive Supes for me but if Routh is cast on the next big budget movie I'd still go see it opening night. I am just too much of Superman fan not to. However there's probably no way I can convince the 20+ family/friends that I forced to go with me to see SR to go and see Routh again. All of them were disappointed w/ it. I still defend it but I think WB/DC need to move on and just go forward w/ either a Superman vs Batman movie or a JLA movie. I doubt a reboot will be much of a success now regardless of who's playing the man of steel.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Tom Welling is the definitive Supes for me but if Routh is cast on the next big budget movie I'd still go see it opening night. I am just too much of Superman fan not to. However there's probably no way I can convince the 20+ family/friends that I forced to go with me to see SR to go and see Routh again. All of them were disappointed w/ it. I still defend it but I think WB/DC need to move on and just go forward w/ either a Superman vs Batman movie or a JLA movie. I doubt a reboot will be much of a success now regardless of who's playing the man of steel.

Agreed.

[Serene]

So let me get this straight. Say if Tom Welling is not Superman but they keep Brandon Routh as Superman (as some sites have stated) you guys would still see this movie even if it is a reboot? And this is a question to all SV and Welling fans. Because I have seen many say they wont see this movie with out him for a reboot or if Routh is still Superman.

I'd see it eventually, just like SR. Curiosity and hope are strong motivators.

Even if they do make a better movie than SR was, I'd still have a very hard time seeing BR in those tights again. I can't fathom anyone making the choice to put him in them again.

With no disrespect intended towards Reeve, then, he did a complete 180 on his previous statement.

I did find my copy of that press conference with Welling and Reeve, not all of it, but at least 7 or so minutes of it. Both of them were joking around and laughing at various times, and I think it's very easy for people to see what they want when they read the text alone.

It's really quite moving to watch now. :csad:

[RakuMon]

You nailed it! It sucks that DC doesn't have their own studio like Marvel does!

Which is ironic if you think about it. One of the advantages DC always had was that they had a sister company (Warner Bros.) who could conceivably produce all their superheroes into films. Whereas Marvel had individually licensed all their characters to competing studios like Fox and Sony.

Funny how the tables have turned, eh?

Seems that WB's alleged corporate synergy turned into a vice grip on DC properties. Instead of utilizing all the tools at their disposal (Features, TV production, Home Video, etc.) the corporate culture at Time Warner was to divide everything in-house into competing projects. Plus, WB's role as sister company (what was thought of as an advantage in the 80s) also meant the studio had first refusal rights, which basically means projects remain in development hell because WB isn't going to greenlight them, nor are they going to pass on them so the movie can move on to a different studio.

Meanwhile, Marvel started gathering the rights back to a lot of their major properties (Iron Man was at New Line and Fox for forever) and are now a major player in H-wood. SO much so that folks are looking at WB like, you guys totally dropped the ball.

And the most eff-ed up part about it is that WB really should have taken their DC properties seriously. I think years of neglect, or acquiescence to ego-driven directors, has really hampered their ability to put out quality flicks based on superheroes. They lucked out with Chris Nolan, but even then, as great as the Nolan flicks are, he's a guy who's unwilling to play ball when it comes to making a "cohesive" DC movie universe.

Personally, I don't really mind if the DC movies don't all exist in the same universe. What bothers me is DC/WB's insistence to seperate everything from a corporate standpoint. Features is using this so TV can't and so forth. It's an insane strategy (and is actually the opposite of corporate synergy).

My biggest argument for a Smallville based movie in the past was a simple economic one.

Just from a marketing angle alone, announcing that the cast of Smallville was graduating to being the face of the movie franchise would've created a ton of buzz for:

1) the final season of the show--ratings would increase, resulting in more eyeballs for Warner's fledgling network

2) DVD sales--Smallville DVD sets already sell like hotcakes. An announcement that SV would be branching off into films would increase sales in past season DVDs, already a cash cow

3) the movie franchise--instant buzz. Even if SV has its share of haters on the internets, such an announcement would automatically be the biggest story on the web. (Just look at how announcing a rumor about TW on G4 made the net explode last summer. Now multiply that by a thousand.)

So, with one stroke, Time Warner could have positively affected three seperate divisions (TV, WHV, Features), not to mention the movie year spike in comic sales.

Instead, you get infighting ("Welling will never wear the tights because Features says so"), embargoes ("Smallville can't use Kryptonians because Krypton is in McG's script" nonsense), and overall disfunction from a string of high-priced, high-ego directors (Burton, Ratner, McG, Peterson, Singer, Miller, et. al.).

You know what would ail the Superman movie franchise? ME. Give ME the damn thing, and I'll make you a $1 billion. Seriously.

:p

[The Incredible Hulk]

I wouldnt see a sequel with Routh in it no matter who wrote it or directed it. He's just too tied into SR at this point, and the audience is already reminded of that going in and it pulls you completely out of the story.

Another actor like Cavill or Bomer or someone, sure put me down for opening night. If they bring Routh back it might as well be with Singer, Spacey, Bosworth, and the Kid. You'd have thought WB would've learned their lessons about pseudo-sequels from the last go around.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I wouldnt see a sequel with Routh in it no matter who wrote it or directed it. He's just too tied into SR at this point, and the audience is already reminded of that going in and it pulls you completely out of the story.

Another actor like Cavill or Bomer or someone, sure put me down for opening night. If they bring Routh back it might as well be with Singer, Spacey, Bosworth, and the Kid. You'd have thought WB would've learned their lessons about pseudo-sequels from the last go around.And thats where you got to understand where people are coming from with Welling. It doesn't matter if he has put on the suit or not the history of SV has rubbed a lot of people (fanboys) the wrong way. But it is silly to laugh at a certian group for not wanting to see the movie if their Superman is not in it while some of you will not see the movie if Welling does not become Superman at the end of Smallville or some of you will not see it if Routh is still Superman. I however think all actors Welling, Routh, Cavill, etc could pull it off either way and no matter who is in the tights I will still see it because it is a Superman movie.

[RakuMon]

And thats where you got to understand where people are coming from with Welling. It doesn't matter if he has put on the suit or not the history of SV has rubbed a lot of people (fanboys) the wrong way. But it is silly to laugh at a certian group for not wanting to see the movie if their Superman is not in it while some of you will not see the movie if Welling does not become Superman at the end of Smallville or some of you will not see it if Routh is still Superman. I however think all actors Welling, Routh, Cavill, etc could pull it off either way and no matter who is in the tights I will still see it because it is a Superman movie.

It can be argued that Routh turned off a lot more people than Welling ever has. By its nature, Superman Returns was a humungoid film that was released on tens of thousands of screens around the world. It wasn't just Superman fans Routh disappointed, SR disappointed loads of movie fans in general.

Now, with Welling, because Smallville is an overall smaller entity than Superman Returns, the number of eyeballs it has recieved is, by definition, smaller. Also, the number of viewers it has "rubbed the wrong way" is minuscule in comparison. Mainstream awareness of Smallville is much lower than mainstream awareness of Superman Returns (if I recall correctly, it wasn't Tom's face on underoos and cereal boxes).

The point is Routh had his shot and the audience rejected him. Welling hasn't had the opportunity on the same scale to draw an accurate comparison. (The last time Welling and Smallville received a marketing push that is any way comparable to what a major h-wood blockbuster gets might have been back in 2001, and from what I can tell, Smallville didn't do half bad back then.)

[mellyM]

So let me get this straight. Say if Tom Welling is not Superman but they keep Brandon Routh as Superman (as some sites have stated) you guys would still see this movie even if it is a reboot? And this is a question to all SV and Welling fans. Because I have seen many say they wont see this movie with out him for a reboot or if Routh is still Superman.

No offense to all who loved the film, but Superman Returns is one of the worst movies i have ever seen, and extremely disappointing for me, because I've been a Superman fan a lot longer than I've been a Tom Welling fan and I never want Superman to fail, and that movie failed for me, a large part to the utter vapidness of the person playing Superman. I didn't buy it and I definitely wouldn't see another Superman film with him in the role. I don't care of Welling is in the role or not, I highly doubt he will be, but i'd like someone with the presence to do the role justice and Routh didn't have that for me, and I don't think he ever will.

[triplet]

No offense to all who loved the film, but Superman Returns is one of the worst movies i have ever seen, and extremely disappointing for me, because I've been a Superman fan a lot longer than I've been a Tom Welling fan and I never want Superman to fail, and that movie failed for me, a large part to the utter vapidness of the person playing Superman. I didn't buy it and I definitely wouldn't see another Superman film with him in the role. I don't care of Welling is in the role or not, I highly doubt he will be, but i'd like someone with the presence to do the role justice and Routh didn't have that for me, and I don't think he ever will.

Quoted for Truth.

:up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

It can be argued that Routh turned off a lot more people than Welling ever has. By its nature, Superman Returns was a humungoid film that was released on tens of thousands of screens around the world. It wasn't just Superman fans Routh disappointed, SR disappointed loads of movie fans in general.

Now, with Welling, because Smallville is an overall smaller entity than Superman Returns, the number of eyeballs it has recieved is, by definition, smaller. Also, the number of viewers it has "rubbed the wrong way" is minuscule in comparison. Mainstream awareness of Smallville is much lower than mainstream awareness of Superman Returns (if I recall correctly, it wasn't Tom's face on underoos and cereal boxes).

The point is Routh had his shot and the audience rejected him. Welling hasn't had the opportunity on the same scale to draw an accurate comparison. (The last time Welling and Smallville received a marketing push that is any way comparable to what a major h-wood blockbuster gets might have been back in 2001, and from what I can tell, Smallville didn't do half bad back then.)See this is where I would disagree. I think people were turned off to Singer's story then Routh's Superman as you would see by most people over the web. I think the same can be said for Welling in Smallville where people are more turned off of what Smallville has done then the actor himself. Thats why I think either one of them could work. However IMO I feel the WB should go with someone new because then he won't be connected to Smallville of Superman Returns and then we could just start fresh but at the end of the day you can't please everyone. So be it Routh, Welling, Cavill, Bomer, etc someone will always be upset, be it a sequel, reboot, SV the movie, etc everyone is not going to enjoy it. As I said before I think a reboot with Routh or Welling could work be it that Welling was apart of Smallville or Routh was apart of SR. Remember they were going to do the same thing with Reeve before he got hurt with Brainic.

[Ultimate_Superman]

No offense to all who loved the film, but Superman Returns is one of the worst movies i have ever seen, and extremely disappointing for me, because I've been a Superman fan a lot longer than I've been a Tom Welling fan and I never want Superman to fail, and that movie failed for me, a large part to the utter vapidness of the person playing Superman. I didn't buy it and I definitely wouldn't see another Superman film with him in the role. I don't care of Welling is in the role or not, I highly doubt he will be, but i'd like someone with the presence to do the role justice and Routh didn't have that for me, and I don't think he ever will.And I respect that but what I am trying to get at it is silly to say you won't see a movie because said actor is playing the role. I mean if that was the case I would have never seen the two new James Bond movies. How you guys feel about Routh is how some feel about Welling which is why I am saying both have got to play the role (somewhat) and both have left the fan boys split pretty much. And I am not trying to make a case for Routh because even though I liked him in SR. I think for a reboot someone new would be better like Cavill but I also think the two (Routh or Welling) could work as well.

[The Incredible Hulk]

And thats where you got to understand where people are coming from with Welling.

Reversing the juxstapositon I'm pointing out doesnt prove your point, it only enforces mine that the same people who ***** and moan about Welling bringing Smallville's "baggage" to the film franchise are ironically the same ones who would take Routh back even though his bags were far more visible and weigh much more.


It doesn't matter if he has put on the suit or not the history of SV has rubbed a lot of people (fanboys) the wrong way. But it is silly to laugh at a certian group for not wanting to see the movie if their Superman is not in it while some of you will not see the movie if Welling does not become Superman at the end of Smallville or some of you will not see it if Routh is still Superman.

Your continued attempts to try and quantify subjective matter would be funny if they werent so sad. And I havent seen ONE single person in this forum who said they wouldnt see a new film if Welling wasnt in it so I' dont know where you're getting that from? I've only seen people say they wouldnt see it if Routh is in it again. The Routhers who continue to wander into this thread 30 months later, are the only ones dealing in absolutes.


I however think all actors Welling, Routh, Cavill, etc could pull it off either way and no matter who is in the tights I will still see it because it is a Superman movie.

and thats your problem. You'll digest any crap fed to you so long as it comes with :supes: label on it. You'd fit in nicely over at BlueTights

It can be argued that Routh turned off a lot more people than Welling ever has. By its nature, Superman Returns was a humungoid film that was released on tens of thousands of screens around the world. It wasn't just Superman fans Routh disappointed, SR disappointed loads of movie fans in general.

Now, with Welling, because Smallville is an overall smaller entity than Superman Returns, the number of eyeballs it has recieved is, by definition, smaller. Also, the number of viewers it has "rubbed the wrong way" is minuscule in comparison. Mainstream awareness of Smallville is much lower than mainstream awareness of Superman Returns (if I recall correctly, it wasn't Tom's face on underoos and cereal boxes).

The point is Routh had his shot and the audience rejected him. Welling hasn't had the opportunity on the same scale to draw an accurate comparison. (The last time Welling and Smallville received a marketing push that is any way comparable to what a major h-wood blockbuster gets might have been back in 2001, and from what I can tell, Smallville didn't do half bad back then.)

thank you for the breath of fresh air. It's nice to see a common sense post once in a while. People tend to not be able to see things outside of what goes on in their own little worlds. Because Smallville and SR are equally as exposed in the online fan community world of Superman fans (a VERY small sampling of people) doesnt mean that applied to the general populace at large. Ultimate Superman doesnt seem to grasp this concept.


No offense to all who loved the film, but Superman Returns is one of the worst movies i have ever seen, and extremely disappointing for me, because I've been a Superman fan a lot longer than I've been a Tom Welling fan and I never want Superman to fail, and that movie failed for me, a large part to the utter vapidness of the person playing Superman. I didn't buy it and I definitely wouldn't see another Superman film with him in the role. I don't care of Welling is in the role or not, I highly doubt he will be, but i'd like someone with the presence to do the role justice and Routh didn't have that for me, and I don't think he ever will.

QFT

[mellyM]

And I respect that but what I am trying to get at it is silly to say you won't see a movie because said actor is playing the role. I mean if that was the case I would have never seen the two new James Bond movies. How you guys feel about Routh is how some feel about Welling which is why I am saying both have got to play the role (somewhat) and both have left the fan boys split pretty much. And I am not trying to make a case for Routh because even though I liked him in SR. I think for a reboot someone new would be better like Cavill but I also think the two (Routh or Welling) could work as well.

The actor is very integral to the enjoyment of the film, at least for me, and fanboys do not make up the general public, so I'm a little tired of hearing how they feel about Welling or Routh, i don't think it matters. Again, i don't care who is playing Superman as long as they can sell the role, Routh didn't and if they didn't use him again, I don't think the general public would really care. He isn't needed, its time to look for someone else.

[Serene]

See this is where I would disagree. I think people were turned off to Singer's story then Routh's Superman as you would see by most people over the web.

I hate this argument. "It wasn't Routh's fault, it was all Singers!" B. to the S.

Not that Singer isn't the goto guy when it comes to ultimate responsibility, but Routh simply didn't have what it takes to bring that iconic role (and all that goes with it) convincingly to the big screen. Do you notice the abundance of people who say they'd be fine with Routh again because he was "okay" in the role? Seriously? OKAY? Superman should be OKAY? Granted, I'm totally biased since my perspective is as a person who was knocked out of her socks by Christopher Reeve on the big screen. My standards are a bit high for what an actor should project from that big screen when he's wearing The Suit.

I'm not trying to bash the guy, I'm sure he worked hard on the film and seemed truly thrilled to have landed such a role. But what unknown actor wouldn't be? Sympathy shouldn't earn points in the casting game.

To give him the chance AGAIN just because some of his noisier fans continue to try and shift all the blame for that movie's disappointing performance onto Singer, would be a huge blow to the Superman franchise.

Welling has the potential, in a good film, to have the kind of impact the franchise needs. Multiply the response he's had on that little bitty network times the kind of exposure he'd get in a big movie role. Sure he's gorgeous and attracts a lot of love from the women-folk, but anyone who really watches this season can see the presence he brings when he's finally allowed to play the grown-up man he actually is.

What SV brings to the screen after only what, 7-10 days shooting?, compared to a movie that's given MONTHS to film, not to mention, retake after retake? It boggles my mind how good he could be.

The SV haterz, and really that's who are the biggest slice of the anti-Welling camp, are a DROP in the movie-going pond. Any alleged "SV baggage" isn't even in the ballpark of the baggage carried by Routh at this point.

I also happen to like Cavill a whole lot. Have you seen his new ads for Dunhill? The guy is dripping with presence and charisma. He'd be a great choice too.

An unknown is always a possibility, but I don't think another Superman movie, in the wake of SR's bland taste in the mouth, would do as well with a completely unknown face. The bar for Superhero movies has been shot through the roof, thanks to Batman and Ironman. I think casting Joe-Schmoe-Tall-Dark-Hair-Guy again would be a mistake.

*wow, I haven't had a good coffee-fueled rant in a long time. :D

[RakuMon]

'Rene speaks the truth, but I had to co-sign a couple points specifically.


Welling has the potential, in a good film, to have the kind of impact the franchise needs. Multiply the response he's had on that little bitty network times the kind of exposure he'd get in a big movie role. Sure he's gorgeous and attracts a lot of love from the women-folk, but anyone who really watches this season can see the presence he brings when he's finally allowed to play the grown-up man he actually is.

Indeed. In fact, if you read what little mainstream press that has been devoted to Smallville these past few seasons, the consensus is that Tom Welling is a natural in the role. I think a lot of people take him for granted as Superman already.

What SV brings to the screen after only what, 7-10 days shooting?, compared to a movie that's given MONTHS to film, not to mention, retake after retake? It boggles my mind how good he could be.

I mentioned something similar in an earlier post arguing that a Smallville-led movie could be a bigger ROI for Warner than going with another high-priced director, unknown star or no. The simple fact is that Smallville is getting it done (and has been for several years) on a shoestring budget that gets slashed every season. Now, if they can make everything as gorgeous and cinematic as they do considering those financial hurdles, imagine Glen Winter behind the lens with $150M to play with. That's chump change in the summer blockbuster game, but that would be a playground for the Smallville folks.

The SV haterz, and really that's who are the biggest slice of the anti-Welling camp, are a DROP in the movie-going pond. Any alleged "SV baggage" isn't even in the ballpark of the baggage carried by Routh at this point.

Yeah, this is the point I was trying to make about five or six posts up.

An unknown is always a possibility, but I don't think another Superman movie, in the wake of SR's bland taste in the mouth, would do as well with a completely unknown face. The bar for Superhero movies has been shot through the roof, thanks to Batman and Ironman. I think casting Joe-Schmoe-Tall-Dark-Hair-Guy again would be a mistake.

The unknown actor route has never held any water with me. Chris Reeve as Superman was lightning in a bottle. BUT, he didn't succeed in the role because he was unknown. He succeeded because he had the ability, charisma, charm, and talent to make you believe a man could fly. So to use the template of "Unknown = Superhero" based solely on that precedent presupposes that any Joe Schmo in Hollywood has the same potential as Christopher F'n Reeve!

In fact, when you look at the most successful comic book/superhero movies to date, the lead roles were played, not by unknowns, but by talented actors. Even unconventional choices (like Michael Keaton as Batman or Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man) worked because the actors were able to pull off the challenges of the role. But in neither case were the stars "unknown." And the latest batch of comic mega-franchises have cast character actors in the leads for a reason (Bale, Downey Jr., Ed Norton), they're brilliant frickin' actors.

So the whole Superman should be an unknown was not only disproven in 2006, the opposite theory has taken hold in the last few years, and has proved to be the way to go.


(Also, don't get it twisted. I am in no way trying to imply that Tom Welling is in the same league as either Bale or RDJ. The last bit of the post is solely to discredit the notion that Superman needs to be a complete unknown.)

[RakuMon]

Regarding how the general public views Superman Returns, this comment at EW.com* pretty much sums it up for me.

SUPERMAN RETURNS. Um, Superman Returns!
WHAT WE GOT: A hero who barely speaks, and stalks his ex. A villain who's still basically a glorified car salesman. And a super 5-year old. Seriously.


*The comment in question is on a post about movies whose trailers were better than the film itself. Call it Phantom Menace syndrome. It's a pretty interesting read: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/12/site-of-the-d-4.html

[Double Down]

Regarding how the general public views Superman Returns, this comment at EW.com* pretty much sums it up for me.




*The comment in question is on a post about movies whose trailers were better than the film itself. Call it Phantom Menace syndrome. It's a pretty interesting read: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/12/site-of-the-d-4.html

Yeah, that's great proof. One guy posting in response to a blog and the guy probably is from SaveSuperman. Amazing find. :whatever:

[Pickle-El]

Regarding how the general public views Superman Returns, this comment at EW.com* pretty much sums it up for me.




*The comment in question is on a post about movies whose trailers were better than the film itself. Call it Phantom Menace syndrome. It's a pretty interesting read: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/12/site-of-the-d-4.html

Oh come on, you really gonna play this game? You KNOW someone is going to post a quote from TIME or something just to spite that comment...gaining us, nothing.

Come on Raku, we both know that sides have been divided well before Singer made his movie. Fans can't even agree on what kind of Superman they want, let alone the direction of a film and its ingredients....I've said it before and I"ll say it again, Superman fans are by nature, the most divided group in all the comic fandom.

You've got the Reeve/Donner group, you've got the Smallville group, you've got the "Just be faithful to the comics" group that can't decide Pre/Post among other things, you've now got the SR/Singer group as well...by default, a large sector of people will not be happy with decisions made on any Superman feature, even though it should be the standard for the brand to the general public.

Someone will always feel slighted, and all we get is well.....read the last few pages. No wonder the WB has no idea in what direction to head, the worst thing they could do is listen to the different groups of fans. I mean, just look at the biggest Superman websites out there and their poster agendas....BTN, SHP, Kryptonsite, SHH. They are all over the place in regard to their views and each other. Maybe they already did the best thing they could do and got someone like G.Johns to act as a consultant as has been speculated...its better than solely have one group of the movie dept. making all the decisions regarding input and what would be best for ALL involved, from the penny counters to the kids eating their popcorn.

They've at least taken a step in the right direction it seems. Last time, people said that Singer didn't so much as look at a comic book for inspiration, now you've got a big presence from the realm at least there for some direction.

Can't wait till we get the long speculated 'Big Announcement' from the WB regarding all their recent decisions. It'll at least be better talk than this ridiculous half decade long fight between Tom Welling supporters and detractors....it's hard to imagine how we STILL get into the same, tired old fights year after year.

And for the life of me, I don't know why you guys keep taking the bait...Certain poster(s) will always find a way to bring up SR/BR in here. It's quite ridiculous.

[Tomwelling4sups]

Yeah, that's great proof. One guy posting in response to a blog and the guy probably is from SaveSuperman. Amazing find. :whatever:

attempting to discredit posts with unproven assumptions only makes you look petty.

[Webhead2006]

at this rate with all the problems wb seems to have with getting superman on film they should just have smallville the movie it would be the easiest thing to do right now.

[RakuMon]

Oh come on, you really gonna play this game? You KNOW someone is going to post a quote from TIME or something just to spite that comment...gaining us, nothing.

Come on Raku, we both know that sides have been divided well before Singer made his movie. Fans can't even agree on what kind of Superman they want, let alone the direction of a film and its ingredients....I've said it before and I"ll say it again, Superman fans are by nature, the most divided group in all the comic fandom.

You've got the Reeve/Donner group, you've got the Smallville group, you've got the "Just be faithful to the comics" group that can't decide Pre/Post among other things, you've now got the SR/Singer group as well...by default, a large sector of people will not be happy with decisions made on any Superman feature, even though it should be the standard for the brand to the general public.

Someone will always feel slighted, and all we get is well.....read the last few pages. No wonder the WB has no idea in what direction to head, the worst thing they could do is listen to the different groups of fans. I mean, just look at the biggest Superman websites out there and their poster agendas....BTN, SHP, Kryptonsite, SHH. They are all over the place in regard to their views and each other. Maybe they already did the best thing they could do and got someone like G.Johns to act as a consultant as has been speculated...its better than solely have one group of the movie dept. making all the decisions regarding input and what would be best for ALL involved, from the penny counters to the kids eating their popcorn.

They've at least taken a step in the right direction it seems. Last time, people said that Singer didn't so much as look at a comic book for inspiration, now you've got a big presence from the realm at least there for some direction.

Can't wait till we get the long speculated 'Big Announcement' from the WB regarding all their recent decisions. It'll at least be better talk than this ridiculous half decade long fight between Tom Welling supporters and detractors....it's hard to imagine how we STILL get into the same, tired old fights year after year.

And for the life of me, I don't know why you guys keep taking the bait...Certain poster(s) will always find a way to bring up SR/BR in here. It's quite ridiculous.

I'm not going to disagree with you. In fact, I think you make a lot of valid points.

I didn't post that EW commenter to prove anything. It just encapsulated how I think the majority of the general public viewed the flick. Sure it's some random dude, but I think a lot of people shared that view. That said, I do not wish to belabor the point.

I do think Geoff Johns coming on as a consultant would be a step in the right direction. Plus, it doesn't hurt that he's connected to Donner, Smallville, the Animated Timmverse, and DC Comics.

If there was one way to bridge all the divides of Super Fandom, Johns would be the one.

[Webhead2006]

yea everything i heard about johns he is a great guy and a very good writer for superman among other dc characters. Though i know he does love silver age stuff and for me personally film wise i rather step away from the silver age era of stuff and move into more modern takes on the characters/mythos.

[Zorex]

If there was one way to bridge all the divides of Super Fandom, Johns would be the one.
Haha, Johns is.... The One.

In other news... great to see Superman fans 'round these parts are getting along so well... barf.

[ZIPBAGS]

I just wish Warner would announce something.

[AgentPat]

Is this thread on surveillance or something? I was going to joke yesterday that the only thing missing was a post from Pickle. Hah! Such a missed opportunity. Oh well.

Anyhoo, interesting article for the current topic at hand:

Variety
12/5/08

Superheroes soar in awards season
Comicbooks no longer kryptonite to kudos
By THOMAS MCLEAN

Superheroes have grown accustomed to striking gold at the box office. Yet now, in a shift that has the entire genre being taken more seriously, they're being discussed in the award season races as well.

"The Dark Knight's" Heath Ledger is near the top of many lists when cinephiles are debating best supporting performances, while Christian Bale and Gary Oldman have also been chatted up for their turns in the film. And what would "Iron Man" have been without Robert Downey Jr.'s take on the man of metal?

"It's been great reading some of these early award-season buzz pieces, to feel like we're crossing some sort of a threshold," says Kevin Feige, president of Marvel Studios. "Here we are, eight years after the first 'X-Men' film ... and people are realizing that there's quality work going into (superhero movies) that can't be ignored during this season."

It's not new for A-list actors to appear in superhero pics -- Marlon Brando and Gene Hackman helped put 1978's "Superman" and the genre on the cinematic map.

But the current wave of superhero films has begun to attract actors willing to put on the tights for increasingly complex scripts that go beyond simplistic battles between good and evil.

Mike Richardson, who founded Dark Horse Comics and produced such films as "Hellboy II: The Golden Army," says more well-known actors are showing interest in playing superheroes.

"When you have a movie like 'The Dark Knight' that's so successful on so many levels, I think that opens things up for not only subject matter, but it opens the minds of people who play in those movies to the possibilities of (awards for) themselves," he says.

While such well-known characters as those in "Spider-Man," "Superman," "X-Men," "Hulk" and "Fantastic Four" having already made it to the bigscreen, there's no shortage of fan-favorite superheroes still waiting for their shot at a thorough theatrical treatment.

Michael Doran, co-founder and senior editor of the comicbook news site Newsarama, sees the most movie potential for DC Comics' the Flash.

"Superspeed just is so elemental," he says. "The character, especially the Wally West version -- the fast-talking, quick-witted type -- his personality almost matches his superpowers."

Also in the mix: DC and parent company Warner Bros. are further along on "Green Lantern," which could be ready to shoot next year; "Dark Knight" co-writer David Goyer is looking to produce his "Green Arrow" script; and "Billy Batson and the Legend of Shazam!" is set up with helmer Peter Berg attached.

Another perennial candidate, Wonder Woman, remains stuck in development purgatory, while the most Aquaman was able to do was as a fictional film in the TV series "Entourage."

Marvel's immediate plans are more concrete, with "Iron Man 2," "Thor" and "Captain America" leading into a massive "Avengers" film in 2011. Beyond that, Feige says the company is developing a comic called "Runaways," about kid heroes who learn their parents are supervillains. It also has "Doctor Strange" on the horizon.

Doran also sees potential in "Black Panther," about a high-tech African king, and "Sub-Mariner," a long-in-development pic about Marvel's hotheaded underwater monarch.

Casting such roles is tricky. Fans intensely debate among themselves which actors are right for particular characters and have no problem speaking up when they disagree with filmmakers' choices. Fans' discussions often reveal biases toward actors who already have appeared in similar movies.

"In both acting and directing, there are certain directors and certain actors the fanbase are more accepting of," says Richardson.

Among the current fan favorites are "Definitely, Maybe" star Ryan Reynolds as the Flash, Leonardo DiCaprio as Captain America, Ryan Gosling as Green Lantern and Gerard Butler or Clive Owen as Sub-Mariner.

Most of these rumors are debunked as quickly as they ignite, but they still have potency. A recent rumor that Will Smith was set to play Captain America spread so quickly that Marvel had to actively deny it, while James Bond star Daniel Craig recently confirmed to the press that he passed on "Thor."

Feige says neither part has been cast yet, but he explains that Marvel's approach to casting -- exemplified by the choice of Downey as Tony Stark -- is to find actors who can bring more to the table than just a physical resemblance to the comicbook character.

"We do not think about the box office appeal of any name actor, necessarily," he says. "We bet on the box office appeal of the character."

While future films of comicbook characters might not bring the same critical success Downey or Ledger found this year, thesps not being routinely dismissed during awards season because they wore tights or a put on a mask is a big step forward for the genre.

"In the past, you always heard it was very difficult for actors in a comedy to win an Oscar," Feige says. "The idea of a superhero film creating roles that could be considered for best actor or best supporting actor was much more remote than that."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117996935

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Please vote for Tom as Superman for the cameo in the Green Lantern movie on the supermanhomepage.com poll

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well with them ending Smallville in May I think we will hear something soon. IMO I think they are ending SV this season because when they cast Superman this time I don't think they would want 2 Superman running around or maybe because Welling is making that jump to the big screen but I doubt its that.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Smallville coming back for Season 9 is up to whether Welling ios resigned or not. The film franchise will have no bearing on that (unless of course they're taking Tom) but even so a new Supes film wont be here until 2012 at the earliest. (assuming Batman 3 comes out in 2011) so whether Tom's in it or not shouldnt impact Smallville which at maximum ends in May 2010.

[ZIPBAGS]

Over in the Superman casting thread in the new Superman section. Someone brought up the Tom's availability issue that was mentioned in TV Guide. Some are freaked that it means he might be cast in the reboot. :)

[The Incredible Hulk]

Over in the Superman casting thread in the new Superman section. Someone brought up the Tom's availability issue that was mentioned in TV Guide. Some are freaked that it means he might be cast in the reboot. :)

the 2 timeframes dont exactly jive. A new Supes film wouldnt unspool until Summer 2012 at the earliest (assuming that Levitz' comment about a new Supes film waiting on Batman 3 is accurate and at this point its almost logistically impossible to expect to see bats again until 2011). For a summer 2012 release, a film would start lensing likely in early 2011 at the earliest. A potential 9th season of Smallville would lense between July 2009 and April 2010. There's about a 7 month gap before the new Supes movie filming woulkd even begin.

Of course the above all goes out the window if they have Supes slated for a 2011 release, because then you would have a conflict. But seeing as how Begins came out in 2005 and TDK came out in 2008, I'd assume they'd stay on the same sched with the third film, unless WB sees dollar signs and wants the third film sooner and they were gonna shoot for a 2010 release on Batman 3, but that would mean they'd have to get their butts into production in the next couple months, which I dont see happening based on Nolan's comments.

[ZIPBAGS]

I can see Batman being pushed back. It seems like Nolan is in no rush to produce the film. As much as I want Welling for Supes. I don't think the article means he is doing the movie. That being said...I hope I am wrong. ;)

[Mandrill]

The problem with SR IMO is that on paper it was a safe option.After all the bad vibes from the online community regarding the various Superman projects and changes to the mythos from the like's of JJ Abrams script suddenly they have Bryan Singer ,coming off the back of 2 successful comic book movies come to them with an idea.

Use the Donner movies as the backstory which considering the affection those movies are held in sounds like a great idea.Now I never had a huge affection for the Donner movies but I throught Singer did ok with X-men so I was interested.Intial idea's about the returns concept sounded interesting ..how would the world cope with Superman leaving and then returning.But that idea was reduced to Lois's feelings for him leaving and never expanded on beyond that.

For the budget it had for me I didn't see much of it on screen apart from the plane saving scene which is by far the best moment in the movie beyond that I like the Ottman score and that's all.

The cast I didn't like and Routh I have never understood the praise he has gotten in some parts he was ok at mimicing Reeve's performance no more no less.But mainly the story as a whole is the main issue with the movie I can honestly say if they had cast Rosey /Welling and Durance in the respective roles with the same script and direction it woulden't have made a blind bit of differance to my feeling's on the movie.

I'd love to seeing Welling get a shot as well as Durance and Rosey but for me right now I want to see WB find a great script and director first and for most.

[Serene]

Over in the Superman casting thread in the new Superman section. Someone brought up the Tom's availability issue that was mentioned in TV Guide. Some are freaked that it means he might be cast in the reboot. :)

Good. :word:

[b24]

IMO the ONLY actor who can fith in the role of SUPERMAN

it is TW no others no BR or not any unknown nobody who they will cast again

see this superheroe franchise don't mush require acting chops as long as main lead actually look beliavable as character he is playing

specailly when it comes to SUPERMAN and i certainly don't any actors known or unknown to actually play the role

pleaa no JOSH HARNETT this time

[b24]

there is news that right now 2 directors are considered to direct next superman movie

1st is DAVID FINCHER who has idea to make DEATH OF SUPERMAN he want to make superman as darker as it gets specailly doomsday will be more than juts monster he will actuare SCARE the **** out of people that's what david fincher's idea

another director is Robert Zemicks but he wants to take superman his 3D EXPERINCE like the polar express and Beweoulf

[Lighthouse]

there is news that right now 2 directors are considered to direct next superman movie

1st is DAVID FINCHER who has idea to make DEATH OF SUPERMAN he want to make superman as darker as it gets specailly doomsday will be more than juts monster he will actuare SCARE the **** out of people that's what david fincher's idea

another director is Robert Zemicks but he wants to take superman his 3D EXPERINCE like the polar express and Beweoulf

......what?:huh:

[b24]

if there anyway we can contact TW

i me mean muts have some blog or website to intercat with fans and let him know he should consider playing superman

he is really a mystery like his ons screen character

[Docker2.0]

Yes Tom is a mystery but a greater mystery is how come you don't use periods, capital letters or commas. Its hard to get a grasp of what you are saying without reading it 2-3 times.

[Serene]

Sometimes, you need to factor in that there's no way of knowing the real ages or backgrounds of the people posting on the internet. As long as they aren't asshats, why mock? If they are asshats, all bets are off. :cool:

[Prison Mike]

yes tom is a mystery but a greater mystery is how come you don't use periods, capital letters or commas. Its hard to get a grasp of what you are saying without reading it 2-3 times.

:lmao:

[Tomwelling4sups]

if there anyway we can contact TW

i me mean muts have some blog or website to intercat with fans and let him know he should consider playing superman

he is really a mystery like his ons screen character

*cough* http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=311796 ;)

[triplet]

:facepalm

[b24]

my weakness is grammer

i m vulnrable to that

[triplet]

my weakness is grammer

i m vulnrable to that


You can edit posts...

Some browsers have built-in spell checkers too. There is hope, B24!

[b24]

these people should do well to play superman's role

ricky martin

eminem

50 cents

for lex luthor's role

kanye west

snoop dog

lois's role

paris hilton

directed by - GENIOUS uwe boll

[Migu-EL]

these people should do well to play superman's role

ricky martin

eminem

50 cents

for lex luthor's role

kanye west

snoop dog

lois's role

paris hilton

directed by - GENIOUS uwe boll

All I can say is........WOW!!!:facepalm

[Zorex]

these people should do well to play superman's role

ricky martin

eminem

50 cents

for lex luthor's role

kanye west

snoop dog

lois's role

paris hilton

directed by - GENIOUS uwe boll
W-... w-why? Why?

[Prison Mike]

he's kidding. he wrote "genious" next to uwe boll. lol

[Captain Kirk]

there is news that right now 2 directors are considered to direct next superman movie

1st is DAVID FINCHER who has idea to make DEATH OF SUPERMAN he want to make superman as darker as it gets specailly doomsday will be more than juts monster he will actuare SCARE the **** out of people that's what david fincher's idea

another director is Robert Zemicks but he wants to take superman his 3D EXPERINCE like the polar express and Beweoulf:cmad: Dear God! Kill me now if this is true. I think Superman's greatest enemy is not Luthor, but rather WB!

[StorminNorman]

Over in the Superman casting thread in the new Superman section. Someone brought up the Tom's availability issue that was mentioned in TV Guide. Some are freaked that it means he might be cast in the reboot. :)

Tom not having a large demand for other acting gigs has little to do with him having space for a live action Superman movie and instead is a product of why he SHOULDN'T be in one. The guy isn't a good actor.

[Docker2.0]

Tom not having a large demand for other acting gigs has little to do with him having space for a live action Superman movie and instead is a product of why he SHOULDN'T be in one. The guy isn't a good actor.

Get the hell out of this thread! :cmad:

[AgentPat]

Tom not having a large demand for other acting gigs has little to do with him having space for a live action Superman movie and instead is a product of why he SHOULDN'T be in one. The guy isn't a good actor.Did you even read the TV Guide article? It said nothing about "Tom not having a large demand for other acting gigs." In fact, the interview implies the opposite, hence the speculation about why Welling wouldn't be "available" for a 9th season of SV. :whatever:

[Tomwelling4sups]

Tom not having a large demand for other acting gigs has little to do with him having space for a live action Superman movie and instead is a product of why he SHOULDN'T be in one. The guy isn't a good actor.

apparently its a crime to want time off while not shooting for an 8 year t.v. show :rolleyes:

[StorminNorman]

apparently its a crime to want time off while not shooting for an 8 year t.v. show :rolleyes:

Of course its fine - Michael Rosenbaum seems to be doing just that - but the idea that "Tom Welling doesn't have anything scheduled...it can only be he is going to be given a major acting role in a major huge motion picture" is absurd. Tom Welling is a fine, serviceable CW actor - but he is not a big movie star.

I mean, this clip says it all.

cnjK3iFloE8

[Double Down]

Of course its fine - Michael Rosenbaum seems to be doing just that - but the idea that "Tom Welling doesn't have anything scheduled...it can only be he is going to be given a major acting role in a major huge motion picture" is absurd. Tom Welling is a fine, serviceable CW actor - but he is not a big movie star.

I mean, this clip says it all.

cnjK3iFloE8

WWaLxFIVX1s

[blksuperman2]

Of course its fine - Michael Rosenbaum seems to be doing just that - but the idea that "Tom Welling doesn't have anything scheduled...it can only be he is going to be given a major acting role in a major huge motion picture" is absurd. Tom Welling is a fine, serviceable CW actor - but he is not a big movie star.

I mean, this clip says it all.

cnjK3iFloE8

That's just your opinion. I for one thought he did an excellent job conveying anquish of losing someone that he really wanted to have a future with.

I think the problem w/ that scene was that as a member of the audience the 2 -3 episodes that we saw her character she was just a FOTW psycho. It was hard to feel sorry for her dying.

[AgentPat]

Of course its fine - Michael Rosenbaum seems to be doing just that - but the idea that "Tom Welling doesn't have anything scheduled...it can only be he is going to be given a major acting role in a major huge motion picture" is absurd.So I guess you still haven't read that article yet since you're still griping about what the idiots over yonder - who've apparently not read the article either - have said?

Where are these people getting that Welling is not available because he's "getting this major acting role in a major huge motion picture?" "Actor availability" is Swimmer's cutesy way of saying Welling may not be interested in re-upping his contract. The reasons are anybody's guess, but to assume it's because Welling is booked for a major motion picture is a huge leap indeed.

Tom Welling is a fine, serviceable CW actor - but he is not a big movie star.

I mean, this clip says it all...Yeah, because doing a sucky job at mimicking Chris Reeve doth not a big movie star make.

Oh wait...

[Serene]

So I guess you still haven't read that article yet since you're still griping about what the idiots over yonder - who've apparently not read the article either - have said?

Where are these people getting that Welling is not available because he's "getting this major acting role in a major huge motion picture?" "Actor availability" is Swimmer's cutesy way of saying Welling may not be interested in re-upping his contract. The reasons are anybody's guess, but to assume it's because Welling is booked for a major motion picture is a huge leap indeed.


It's almost amusing to see how easily the name of "Welling" brings out the paranoia and aggression in some of these drive-by posters.

[The Sage]

Get the hell out of this thread! :cmad:

Ah, there you are.

:cmad:

[StorminNorman]

That's just your opinion. I for one thought he did an excellent job conveying anquish of losing someone that he really wanted to have a future with.

Tom did a perfect job of an actor trying too hard to convey the anguish of losing someone he was trying to have a future with. Its comedic. I mean literally laugh out loud rewind rewatch and laugh harder quality.

I think the problem w/ that scene was that as a member of the audience the 2 -3 episodes that we saw her character she was just a FOTW psycho. It was hard to feel sorry for her dying.

I love Alicia and I think she is one of the better characters to be on the show - that was not my problem at all.

[StorminNorman]

Where are these people getting that Welling is not available because he's "getting this major acting role in a major huge motion picture?" "Actor availability" is Swimmer's cutesy way of saying Welling may not be interested in re-upping his contract. The reasons are anybody's guess, but to assume it's because Welling is booked for a major motion picture is a huge leap indeed.

I think its obvious that "actor availability" is Swimmer's way of saying Welling may be tired of the show.

Yeah, because doing a sucky job at mimicking Chris Reeve doth not a big movie star make.

Oh wait...

LOL, I never mentioned Routh and honestly I would prefer Cavill. Routh, however, did a great job in Superman Returns in spite of being dragged down by the direction.

[Tomwelling4sups]

LOL, I never mentioned Routh and honestly I would prefer Cavill. Routh, however, did a great job in Superman Returns in spite of being dragged down by the direction.

Wow... I hope you aren't an actor or teaching any acting courses, just wow.
Tom did a perfect job of an actor trying too hard to convey the anguish of losing someone he was trying to have a future with. Its comedic. I mean literally laugh out loud rewind rewatch and laugh harder quality.

I suppose you lol'ed at Reeve's scene in STM too...

That scene was very well done, but hey think what you will. Most of us disagree.

[Pickle-El]

Wow... I hope you aren't an actor or teaching any acting courses, just wow.

I suppose you lol'ed at Reeve's scene in STM too...

That scene was very well done, but hey think what you will. Most of us disagree.

I wouldn't cross, or even toe, that particular line. Reeve set a standard for other actors to use as a paradigm, and that one scene pushed emotions to the brink in his performance. What Reeve did was register a freaking 9.6 on the richter scale compared to the strong Northridge quake that Welling gave us.

[Lighthouse]

Aw ****, here we go again....

[StorminNorman]

Wow... I hope you aren't an actor or teaching any acting courses, just wow.

I am not going to get into Routh simply because this is not the place for it - if you would like to, however, I would be glad to explain how you are wrong in the Superman forum or in PM.

I suppose you lol'ed at Reeve's scene in STM too...

Reeve's wasn't nearly as horrible as Tom Welling here, but I do find Reeve's Superman to be one of the most overrated cinematic adaptations ever.

That scene was very well done, but hey think what you will. Most of us disagree.

:lmao:

[Tomwelling4sups]

I am not going to get into Routh simply because this is not the place for it - if you would like to, however, I would be glad to explain how you are wrong in the Superman forum or in PM.

There's nothing you can say that I haven't heard already, all of which is never based in any form of credibility for me. How anyone can twist his performance to be good at all amuses me. Don't waste your time or mine even trying.



Reeve's wasn't nearly as horrible as Tom Welling here, but I do find Reeve's Superman to be one of the most overrated cinematic adaptations ever.



I rest my case.

[StorminNorman]

There's nothing you can say that I haven't heard already, all of which is never based in any form of credibility for me. How anyone can twist his performance to be good at all amuses me. Don't waste your time or mine even trying.

Personally I love how apparently the only defense of Tom Welling's ability is to criticize Routh.

I rest my case.

Please, thats a cop out. I'm a big boy, treat me as such. If you disagree then have the intellectual integrity to actually discuss the topic.

[Tomwelling4sups]

Personally I love how apparently the only defense of Tom Welling's ability is to criticize Routh.

I've done no such thing. I was simply amused that some how you consider Welling's acting poor, but Routh's good.



Please, thats a cop out. I'm a big boy, treat me as such. If you disagree then have the intellectual integrity to actually discuss the topic.
Clearly there's no point since it will only continue to derail the thread further, which is all the anti welling people ever do when they enter this thread. My time is far too precious than to waste it typing out countless paragraphs explaining my opinion when we all know it will yield countless responses that will only twist and disagree with what I've said. Save yourself the time.

[StorminNorman]

I've done no such thing. I was simply amused that some how you consider Welling's acting poor, but Routh's good.

I had mistakenly gave you credit for Agent Pat's foolishness, I am sorry.

As I have stated, I thought Routh did a great job in Superman Returns but I don't want him for a new Superman either. Henry Cavil, that should be Henry Cavil.

Clearly there's no point since it will only continue to derail the thread further, which is all the anti welling people ever do when they enter this thread. My time is far too precious than to waste it typing out countless paragraphs explaining my opinion when we all know it will yield countless responses that will only twist and disagree with what I've said. Save yourself the time.

But this thread is the discussion of casting Tom Welling as Superman. A discussion requires two sides of an argument. If someone says "Tom Welling should be Superman in a movie" then Tom Welling's acting abilities (or lack there of) should be discussed and talked about. Its not "derailing" a thread, its engaging in a thread.

This shouldn't be a thread dedicated to pleasuring Tom Welling's assuringly wonderful peeper - there is the Tom Welling and various "STARE AT TOM'S ABS" threads for that.

[b24]

In a recent interview, co-writer Marc Guggenheim told MTV that not only was the stand-alone Green Lantern flick moving along steadily, there have already been discussions about a major Marvel-style superhero cameo featuring none other than the Man of Steel.

Calling himself a “sucker for a good Easter egg,” Guggenheim said, “The fanboy in me would love that. Robert Downey, Jr. in ‘The Hulk’ was awesome. I love that stuff in general, and I think the fans would enjoy it. Brandon Routh or even Tom Welling [in ‘Green Lantern’] would be awesome. And anything is possible.”

That said, Guggenheim warned fans that a superhero-sized crossover was far from a lock, reminding everyone “There were rumors that Tom Welling would have a cameo in ‘Batman Begins’ as a young Clark Kent, to meet up with a young Bruce Wayne. But you have to be careful when you do things like that, because it sounds great in concept, but when you sit down to watch it, it poses the danger of pulling you out of the film.”

Regardless, I’m interested to hear - if they do tab a current Clark Kent for a cameo, which would you prefer - Tom Welling or Brandon Routh? For movie continuity sake alone (and keeping the door open for a future all-star JLA team-up), I’d have to go with Routh, but sound off with your thoughts below.

________________

well if they wanna go "continituity" way i will take TW to go along with SV's continuity becaue IMO SV is MUCH better than SR so let it be TW for make a cameo in GL movie

that way we SV can also be satisfied that atleast TW get to play superman atleasy for 5 minutes on big screen

there is no continiuity for SR that movie is down in gutterhole now they are rebooting the next superman movie

by the way i would'va loved TW's cameo in BB as young clark knet from SV that would have been awesome

[b24]

see point is these studio people atleast CONSIDER TW for the role

if he is not good enough why his name is always brought up

[StorminNorman]

If Routh is going to be Superman in the next film, it has to be him. If they have another actor in mind for a new Superman movie, have him. If there is NOT an actor set for the next Superman film, I have no problem with Tom Welling - as long as he does not look like Smallville's Clark (I.E. different hair cut, glasses, different wardrobe and no Smallville sets).

[b24]

Plz NO routh

everyone who saw SR complained and BASHES the Routh's perfromance the guys was juts way to what's term WOODEN with capital W

TW is better than him

yea critics can "praise" all they want(hecek even movie for some reseaong got good reviwes) but casual viewers didn't like his perfromance at all

the guys is a ROBOT he should do well playing robot's role in nect Star wars movie

[StorminNorman]

No. In fact Routh's performance is normally complimented in my vast experience on the Hype. Even those that HATED Returns tend to like Routh.

Criticizing Routh for being wooden and then praising Tom Welling is the definition of hypocrisy.

In Zack and Miri Routh was hardly wooden ;)

[LL2K2]

everyone who saw SR complained and BASHES the Routh's perfromance the guys was juts way to what's term WOODEN with capital W

Opinion.

TW is better than him

Opinion.

the guys is a ROBOT he should do well playing robot's role in nect Star wars movie

Opinion.

yea critics can "praise" all they want(hecek even movie for some reseaong got good reviwes) but casual viewers didn't like his perfromance at all

:rolleyes: Again, your opinion. But the general consensus averaged slightly better than 3/4 (77% on Rotten Tomatoes).

Please, everyone, stop trying to pass off your personal opinions and biases as fact, 'cause they're not going to help your cause.

[Prison Mike]

Reeve's wasn't nearly as horrible as Tom Welling here, but I do find Reeve's Superman to be one of the most overrated cinematic adaptations ever.

Please don't hurt me for this, but I sorta kinda agree. :ninja:

[StorminNorman]

Shhh...its okay Mike, ill protect you. ;)

[b24]

IMO superman on Big screen is dead franchise anyway

let movies' adaptation RIP and move on

how many "reboots" do we need

[StorminNorman]

Superman is a great character with great potential.

You must be the type of person who, like Avi Arad, though Batman's days were behind him after Batman and Robin.

Also Superman has never been rebooted.

[b24]

^^^ here's FACT for u

the lasts uperman movie which worked at box office and was actually good was Superman 2 back in 1980

and it has been 2 decades since we actually got SUCCESSFULL superman movie

people don't care about superman these days they want Spiderman, Btaman, Ironman, and even Hulk

when Lats superman movie SR had tought time competeing with a CHIK FLICK movie The devil wear's parada and got tottaly OWENED by some cheey pirate movie u know there is something wrong

times have changed people are more cynic these days than before people want some grimm and dark superherep

and guess what WB is making next superman movie "dark" which will be final nail on already dead franchise

[b24]

Also Superman has never been rebooted.

well in WB's own word and brian singer said SR suppsed to be reboot to franchise

and guess what their next is also reboot

and i haven't mentioned the devlopmenet hell farnchise went through in 90's

maybe some other studio needs to handle superman movies other than WB who had no problem making CATWOMAN

[Tomwelling4sups]

No. In fact Routh's performance is normally complimented in my vast experience on the Hype.

Even those that HATED Returns tend to like Routh.

Criticizing Routh for being wooden and then praising Tom Welling is the definition of hypocrisy.

In Zack and Miri Routh was hardly wooden ;)

By comparison, most people are comparing Tom's Clark to Routh's Superman. By that comparison Routh was very wooden (IMO). Of course Routh wouldn't be wooden in a comedy. From what I hear comedies are more his thing, although I've yet to see Zack and Miri for myself.

[StorminNorman]

You should just really stop posting.

Superman Returns was a reboot, it was a sequel of a franchise that didn't need one.

There next movie is a true reboot - eliminating all connections from past Superman movies.

Using Catwoman is simply stupid considering Warner Bros. has completely changed its handling of properties. Constantine, Batman Begins, V, Superman Returns, 300, The Dark Knight and now Watchmen are all films treated with respect and have nothing in common with Catwoman.

[StorminNorman]

By comparison, most people are comparing Tom's Clark to Routh's Superman. By that comparison Routh was very wooden. Of course Routh wouldn't be wooden in a comedy. From what I hear comedies are more his thing, although I've yet to see Zack and Miri for myself.

I have seen no one compare Tom's Clark to Routh's Superman. In fact outside of Smallville and Tom Welling fans, I have seen no one compare Routh to Tom at all.

[b24]

^^^ do u even know JJ abarm's script of Superman ???

wound't u call that reboot

also in 90's they werer trying to reboot too so this is the third time they are going for reboot

why don't they make SR's sequel if movie was that succesfull

[b24]

^^^ do u even know JJ abarm's script of Superman ???

wound't u call that reboot

also in 90's they werer trying to reboot too so this is the third time they are going for reboot

why don't they make SR's sequel if movie was that succesfull

[StorminNorman]

^^^ do u even know JJ abarm's script of Superman ???

wound't u call that reboot

also in 90's they werer trying to reboot too so this is the third time they are going for reboot

why don't they make SR's sequel if movie was that succesfull

Again, stop posting.

I have read it - but it was never made so its completely irrelevant. The various 90's Superman films don't count for this reason. If it was never made, you can't criticize it for being done.

Also, did I say SR was successful (though it did make more than Batman Begins)? No. SR was a good film that was the worst possible Superman film they could of made at the time. It has nothing to do with the quality of the movie itself but how the film killed any potential for a sequel and was so infused with the past films to create any sort of spark that was so great with Batman Begins.

[Mikelus]

I had mistakenly gave you credit for Agent Pat's foolishness, I am sorry.

As usual, too much talking and not paying enough attention to detail.... :o

As I have stated, I thought Routh did a great job in Superman Returns but I don't want him for a new Superman either. Henry Cavil, that should be Henry Cavil.

:lmao:

[Stormy mode off]

BTW, is Henry Cavill (doble L).

Your opinion is just that, not fact. Many people think Routh was wooden in SR, other people think he was fine (usually the ones who don't pay attention to details). :o

And one last thing, stop changing your freaking nick crazy one! :cmad:

I like StormyNormy better. ;)

[Zorex]

Your opinion is just that, not fact. Many people think Routh was wooden in SR, other people think he was fine (usually the ones who don't pay attention to details). :o

Very cute. Way to insult those who enjoyed Routh's performance, to whatever degree.

[Zorex]

And yet, I feel, the same could be done with pictures of Welling.

But speaking of... this is his thread, innit? Isn't there some sort of BR pics ban in a place like this?

[b24]

^^ then why are we even discussion BR here

[b24]

And yet, I feel, the same could be done with pictures of Welling.




atelast he is more experrsive than BR

[Zorex]

I'm... not. I'm tired of this back-and-forth, opinions-as-facts crap. I don't know why I even come in here anymore.

[b24]

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/smallville/smallville2.jpg


http://thetvaddict.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/tomwelling.jpg

[b24]

if they want established actor next superman movie they should sign JAKE GYLNEWALL he all he needs to do is gain more muscle

[StorminNorman]

As usual, too much talking and not paying enough attention to detail.... :o

There is a group of posters who all seem like the same, its easy to get confused. Luckily I rarely suffer from that problem ;)


:lmao:

[Stormy mode off]

BTW, is Henry Cavill (doble L).

Your opinion is just that, not fact. Many people think Routh was wooden in SR, other people think he was fine (usually the ones who don't pay attention to details). :o

And one last thing, stop changing your freaking nick crazy one! :cmad:

I like StormyNormy better. ;)

And most of Routh's critics are Tom Welling fans.

Also, I never change my nickname, the Admins do :csad:

[Mikelus]

And most of Routh's critics are Tom Welling fans.

Also, I never change my nickname, the Admins do :csad:

Please, there are people who are not fans of either but say Routh is worse or viceversa, can not generalize.

So now is the Adms' fault? Abuse of power! :cmad:

They've never changed mine though. :word:

[Serene]

Aww, lovely pictures of Superman! Thanks! *right click and save* :word:

This is just pathetic.

Maybe I should find a BR as Superman thread to stalk. Oh wait, that would be CRAZY.

[Syncos]

Aww, lovely pictures of Superman! Thanks! *right click and save* :word:

I agree. And the best part about how absolutely amazing those pictures are, is how they're all supposed to emote different feelings some of serenity, some of intensity, and yet routh manages to encapsulate all of these things with a single facial expression.....

:whatever:

[Cmill216]

Why the heck am I seeing pictures of Brandon Routh and Jake Gyllenhaal in this thread? :huh:

Enough.

[LL2K2]

^^^ here's FACT for u

the lasts uperman movie which worked at box office and was actually good was Superman 2 back in 1980.

Nope. STM was the first. It was made for $55 million and eventually grossed over $130 million in 1978. That would be over $300 million today.

Superman II was made for $54 million and grossed just over $100 million in 1981, equivalent to about $250M today.

As for The Devil Wears Prada, SR destroyed it at the BO opening weekend.

And please, don't get me started on that "reboot/reintroduction" crap again. People want "darker" heroes? Puhleeze. The first two Spideys were bright and colorful; however, Spidey 3's darker tone was not loved by the critics. Hulk was bright but campy. Iron Man, from what I've seen, was explosive but lighter in tone than say, The Dark Knight. Sure, TDK was a juggernaut at the BO.

But right now, we need heroes like Superman - bright, colorful, inspirational, bringing hope - on the big screen.

[mellyM]

Nope. STM was the first. It was made for $55 million and eventually grossed over $130 million in 1978. That would be over $300 million today.

Superman II was made for $54 million and grossed just over $100 million in 1981, equivalent to about $250M today.

As for The Devil Wears Prada, SR destroyed it at the BO opening weekend.

And please, don't get me started on that "reboot/reintroduction" crap again. People want "darker" heroes? Puhleeze. The first two Spideys were bright and colorful; however, Spidey 3's darker tone was not loved by the critics. Hulk was bright but campy. Iron Man, from what I've seen, was explosive but lighter in tone than say, The Dark Knight. Sure, TDK was a juggernaut at the BO.

But right now, we need heroes like Superman - bright, colorful, inspirational, bringing hope - on the big screen.

God enough already, can all of you just go back to your respective threads and leave this one alone? Its so old, so very old and so very pointless.

[Lighthouse]

As for The Devil Wears Prada, SR destroyed it at the BO opening weekend.

I hate jumping into this argument, but this is so ridiculous I almost have no words. Did any rational person expect The Devil Wears Prada to beat Superman Returns at the box office? Really? The comparison is pointless. Of course it beat The Devil Wears Prada. Superman Returns was a 200 million dollar movie marketed to high heaven. The Devil Wears Prada was a 35 million dollar movie used as counter programming, and you know what? It did pretty damn well.

Sorry for totally jumping into the off-topic topic Cmill, I'm done now.

[AgentPat]

I think its obvious that "actor availability" is Swimmer's way of saying Welling may be tired of the show.No kidding! So why did you start trolling here with the "big movie" nonsense? Nobody in this forum was suggesting that afaik. I think you just came here to argue, and I am so freakin' tired of arguing entertainment preferences. :dry:

LOL, I never mentioned RouthActually, neither did I, but you however have gone on for multiple posts about him.

For the record, my comment was in response to your "big movie star" opinion. You posted a clip from an episode of SV as proof that Welling isn't a big movie star. So does that mean the actor cast as Superman would have to be for you, because I'm quite sure many were not. I'm also quite sure some if not all turned in a few performances during their careers that weren't earth shattering. Heck, one was even fired from a role before being cast as the Man of Steel.

What makes a big movie star? (Rhetorical question.) I dunno, but I do know it aint always acting prowess. And it most certainly is not simply being cast in a "big movie."

Routh, however, did a great job in Superman Returns in spite of being dragged down by the direction.This is where your facade of impartiality completely disintegrates. SR was directed by Brian ef'n Singer. Did it not occur to you that the scene you chose as "proof" of Welling's inappropriateness for a major motion picture had just a tad to do with the inept direction? Because I'm quite sure the producers wanted to homage Superman: The Movie and failed. That said, the scene in question wasn't that bad. Certainly not as bad as you suggest. This of course is my opinion.

Aw ****, here we go again....No. It ends here. I'll be taking a long break - again - after this post.

I am not going to get into Routh simply because this is not the place for itCould have fooled me? You did go on for multiple posts.

I do find Reeve's Superman to be one of the most overrated cinematic adaptations ever.S:TM is (for me) a cult classic. It's one of those films that we (I) saw as a kid and it hit home. With no disrespect for Reeve however, I've moved on.

I had mistakenly gave you credit for Agent Pat's foolishness, I am sorry.Keep up the trolling. It suits you well.

As I have stated, I thought Routh did a great job in Superman Returns but I don't want him for a new Superman either. Henry Cavil, that should be Henry Cavil.Peachy. There are however more appropriate threads to discuss your Superman casting desires.

If Routh is going to be Superman in the next film, it has to be him. If they have another actor in mind for a new Superman movie, have him. If there is NOT an actor set for the next Superman film, I have no problem with Tom Welling - as long as he does not look like Smallville's Clark (I.E. different hair cut, glasses, different wardrobe and no Smallville sets).:whatever:

Jeeze. See-saw much? Can't you pick a side and stick with it?

You should just really stop posting.Superman Returns was a reboot, it was a sequel of a franchise that didn't need one.I don't give a flying crap about SR. Take your own advice about off-topic conversation in this thread.

Using Catwoman is simply stupid considering Warner Bros. has completely changed its handling of properties. Constantine, Batman Begins, V, Superman Returns, 300, The Dark Knight and now Watchmen are all films treated with respect and have nothing in common with Catwoman.Y'know, I'm pretty sure the writers and producers of SV take the show very seriously and try to do the character justice. I also believe Welling approaches the role with respect and a desire to please his audience, and he'd take that philosophy to a major motion picture, should he be cast in one. If the results of his labors doesn't please you, so be it. Stop watching him and the projects he leads. You're not being forced to watch SV or the next Superman film for that matter, regardless of who is cast.

Again, stop posting.Again, stop telling people what they can and can't post here. That is up to the mods to decide.

And yet, I feel, the same could be done with pictures of Welling.

But speaking of... this is his thread, innit? Isn't there some sort of BR pics ban in a place like this?Ah-yup. Fortunately, they've been deleted.

[Tomwelling4sups]

This is just pathetic.

Maybe I should find a BR as Superman thread to stalk. Oh wait, that would be CRAZY.

we are too mature and level headed for that ;)

I have seen no one compare Tom's Clark to Routh's Superman. In fact outside of Smallville and Tom Welling fans, I have seen no one compare Routh to Tom at all.

They've been compared constantly on several sites and forums ever since Routh was cast, where have you been? lol

[Docker2.0]

I hate jumping into this argument, but this is so ridiculous I almost have no words. Did any rational person expect The Devil Wears Prada to beat Superman Returns at the box office? Really? The comparison is pointless. Of course it beat The Devil Wears Prada. Superman Returns was a 200 million dollar movie marketed to high heaven. The Devil Wears Prada was a 35 million dollar movie used as counter programming, and you know what? It did pretty damn well.

Sorry for totally jumping into the off-topic topic Cmill, I'm done now.

Get your ass back in here and post! :cmad:

Pat! Don't leave! :csad: Why can't the old posters come back in here and have fun like we use to without the trolls chasing us off? Come back! Let's make this forum how it was in season 2-4 of Smallville! Let's party like its 2004 all over again!

[b24]

also i noticed whoever has worked with TW has nothing but good things to say about hime like how professional he is and how he proved his onw input ine the show how hard working he is

even late chritopher reeve was impressed by his professionalism and recentlky one of the good comic book writer Geof john has said good things about TW

[Mostpowerful]

This is just pathetic.

Maybe I should find a BR as Superman thread to stalk. Oh wait, that would be CRAZY.

Uh?? Are you serious?? Isn't this a public forum for anyone who wants to read it....or is it open ONLY for the Smallville or Welling fans? Shees... So, as far as I know, it is perfectly legal for me to continue reading and posting in this thread if I want. And I have NO doubt that LOTS of people read other threads in other sites.. :cwink: LOL



I agree. And the best part about how absolutely amazing those pictures are, is how they're all supposed to emote different feelings some of serenity, some of intensity, and yet routh manages to encapsulate all of these things with a single facial expression.....

:whatever:

Nah, he looks awesome to me. :o

[Tomwelling4sups]

I hate jumping into this argument, but this is so ridiculous I almost have no words. Did any rational person expect The Devil Wears Prada to beat Superman Returns at the box office? Really? The comparison is pointless. Of course it beat The Devil Wears Prada. Superman Returns was a 200 million dollar movie marketed to high heaven. The Devil Wears Prada was a 35 million dollar movie used as counter programming, and you know what? It did pretty damn well.



I'd love to have seen how it would have faired against mama mia though, talk about a battle of the chick flicks :D

[b24]

how about for next superman movie they make Superman older like in his 50's

and sign Tom Hanks to play superman's role

this can work can it??????

[heliorei]

Nope. STM was the first. It was made for $55 million and eventually grossed over $130 million in 1978. That would be over $300 million today.

Superman II was made for $54 million and grossed just over $100 million in 1981, equivalent to about $250M today.

As for The Devil Wears Prada, SR destroyed it at the BO opening weekend.

And please, don't get me started on that "reboot/reintroduction" crap again. People want "darker" heroes? Puhleeze. The first two Spideys were bright and colorful; however, Spidey 3's darker tone was not loved by the critics. Hulk was bright but campy. Iron Man, from what I've seen, was explosive but lighter in tone than say, The Dark Knight. Sure, TDK was a juggernaut at the BO.

But right now, we need heroes like Superman - bright, colorful, inspirational, bringing hope - on the big screen.

Really? If SR was such a smash sucess why does WB even consider doing a reboot?

Following that logic, by now WB would be going into pre-production for SR sequel...There would be no doubts about that.

Guess what? WB is considering a reboot...

That's no opinion, it's a fact.


Uh?? Are you serious?? Isn't this a public forum for anyone who wants to read it....or is it open ONLY for the Smallville or Welling fans? Shees... So, as far as I know, it is perfectly legal for me to continue reading and posting in this thread if I want. And I have NO doubt that LOTS of people read other threads in other sites.. LOL

You are absolutely right: people have that right except when anyone here at the Smallville forum posts something in the Superman movies forum, someone at that forum reports about him/her and guess what?

"Prob ban, this member will return in a few days"

You actually said:

"So, as far as I know, it is perfectly legal for me to continue reading and posting in this thread if I want..."

and then you said...

And I have NO doubt that LOTS of people read other threads in other sites..


It means if if i go there, I can read but I can't post about Tom or discuss about Routh's acting or lack of it, right? So I guess you must one of them that reports about everything...aren't you?

So to me sir, that's called refine hypocrisy.



Basically what I do find intriguing is that here's a thread talking about Tom Welling as Superman when most of us, Smallville/Superman fans know about Tom's chances are slimer than finding a needle in a haystack. We know that and by now it's most likely Tom wants some time off after an eight year old tv show and wants to resume his career by doing other projects.

And yet you people keep coming here, talking about Tom's lacking ability to act (:shock :whatever: ) and talk about SR's masterpiece :whatever: when clearly this is not the place to talk about that movie.

Are you that insecure?

Your participation in this thread answers the question.

[blksuperman2]

Get your ass back in here and post! :cmad:

Pat! Don't leave! :csad: Why can't the old posters come back in here and have fun like we use to without the trolls chasing us off? Come back! Let's make this forum how it was in season 2-4 of Smallville! Let's party like its 2004 all over again!

Sadly it is 2004 all over again. People are still arguing over Routh vs Welling. :csad:

[Prison Mike]

this thread entertains me. lol

[Serene]

Uh?? Are you serious?? Isn't this a public forum for anyone who wants to read it....or is it open ONLY for the Smallville or Welling fans? Shees... So, as far as I know, it is perfectly legal for me to continue reading and posting in this thread if I want. And I have NO doubt that LOTS of people read other threads in other sites.. :cwink: LOL

I never questioned your right to read or post here.

I'm just pointing out that if I ever started stalking threads that support BR/SR with the sole intention of ripping on the guy and annoying people, then it would be time for me to shut off the computer and call a shrink. That's all.

I'm secure enough with my opinions to not have to resort to that kind of thing. You, however, are rather fanatically all over the place, with various names too from what I gather.

[StorminNorman]

No kidding! So why did you start trolling here with the "big movie" nonsense? Nobody in this forum was suggesting that afaik. I think you just came here to argue, and I am so freakin' tired of arguing entertainment preferences. :dry:

I certainly wasn't the one that brought up "no availability means he's going to be in a big movie" nonsense - I was simply stating how incredibly flawed that very logic is.

Actually, neither did I, but you however have gone on for multiple posts about him.

And I do so in RESPONSE to others. If someone says "Brandon Routh sucks" in a thread dedicated to fine cheese, I am likely to respond with "I disagree and Routh entirely" along with "I love a fine slice of guda"

For the record, my comment was in response to your "big movie star" opinion. You posted a clip from an episode of SV as proof that Welling isn't a big movie star. So does that mean the actor cast as Superman would have to be for you, because I'm quite sure many were not. I'm also quite sure some if not all turned in a few performances during their careers that weren't earth shattering. Heck, one was even fired from a role before being cast as the Man of Steel.

I posted that clip not to show that he is not a big movie star, but to show he is not a good actor and doesn't have the talent to star in a big league Superman.

What makes a big movie star? (Rhetorical question.) I dunno, but I do know it aint always acting prowess. And it most certainly is not simply being cast in a "big movie."

The acting prowess tends to help, but it actually can be pretty much simplified to being cast in "big movies". The more success an actor has with big films, the more the audience knows them (and hopefully likes them) and thus the more the studio wants them.

This is where your facade of impartiality completely disintegrates. SR was directed by Brian ef'n Singer. Did it not occur to you that the scene you chose as "proof" of Welling's inappropriateness for a major motion picture had just a tad to do with the inept direction? Because I'm quite sure the producers wanted to homage Superman: The Movie and failed. That said, the scene in question wasn't that bad. Certainly not as bad as you suggest. This of course is my opinion.

Welling has worked with a long list of directors on Smallville and he continues to have very real, very large limits on his abilities. Again, the Bride episode is a perfect example - he was perfect during the action scene, but his dance with Lois was so utterly underwhelming...

Could have fooled me? You did go on for multiple posts.

Because others bring it up. Again - I am not starting any Routh comparison talk. You brought Routh up as a way to justify Tom Welling or something, its completely silly and irrelevant.

S:TM is (for me) a cult classic. It's one of those films that we (I) saw as a kid and it hit home. With no disrespect for Reeve however, I've moved on.

Ignoring Superman:The Movie would be great for any WB project from here on out.

Keep up the trolling. It suits you well.

I don't troll - I simply disagree with you and a few of the other "elite" posters here (that tends to not go over well).

Peachy. There are however more appropriate threads to discuss your Superman casting desires.

I brought up HC not to advocate him, but to merely state I was not a huge Routh guy and thus bringing him to defend Tom isn't effective.

:whatever:

Jeeze. See-saw much? Can't you pick a side and stick with it?

You apparently don't know about the cameo in the Green Lantern movie. The cameo doesn't require an actor, Clark Kent in the script says no lines and simply is seen for a few seconds as the Green Lantern ring flies by. Thus you could get an underwear model in Clark gear and have it work fine - thus Tom Welling (who I have never doubted his PHYSICAL qualifications) would work fine. He doesn't have to act.

I don't give a flying crap about SR. Take your own advice about off-topic conversation in this thread.

Again, but YOU brought up Routh :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Y'know, I'm pretty sure the writers and producers of SV take the show very seriously and try to do the character justice. I also believe Welling approaches the role with respect and a desire to please his audience, and he'd take that philosophy to a major motion picture, should he be cast in one. If the results of his labors doesn't please you, so be it. Stop watching him and the projects he leads. You're not being forced to watch SV or the next Superman film for that matter, regardless of who is cast.

Yes, the writers and producers take SV VERY seriously...like having fake babies, exploding babies and Lana turning into a witch.

Having a desire to please your audience and having the ability to please your audience is very different. I doubt Hayden Christenson wanted to piss off Star Wars fans, that doesn't mean he didn't.

I know I am not forced to watch SV or the next Superman film, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't debate and discuss casting rumors or complain about stupidity within those projects. As a fan who has spend time and money on the series, I have that right.

Again, stop telling people what they can and can't post here. That is up to the mods to decide.

I was doing a public service, but also a service for the poster himself.

we are too mature and level headed for that ;)
:lmao:

They've been compared constantly on several sites and forums ever since Routh was cast, where have you been? lol

Tom Welling has been compared to Brandon Routh about their fitfulness for the role, but I haven't seen anyone saying that Routh's Superman seemed like Tom Welling's Clark Kent or vice versa which was the point I was making.

[Mostpowerful]

You are absolutely right: people have that right except when anyone here at the Smallville forum posts something in the Superman movies forum, someone at that forum reports about him/her and guess what?

"Prob ban, this member will return in a few days"




It means if if i go there, I can read but I can't post about Tom or discuss about Routh's acting or lack of it, right? So I guess you must one of them that reports about everything...aren't you?

So to me sir, that's called refine hypocrisy.



Basically what I do find intriguing is that here's a thread talking about Tom Welling as Superman when most of us, Smallville/Superman fans know about Tom's chances are slimer than finding a needle in a haystack. We know that and by now it's most likely Tom wants some time off after an eight year old tv show and wants to resume his career by doing other projects.

And yet you people keep coming here, talking about Tom's lacking ability to act (:shock :whatever: ) and talk about SR's masterpiece :whatever: when clearly this is not the place to talk about that movie.

Are you that insecure?

Your participation in this thread answers the question.

They might have deserved that... It is the mods job to decide that. And I read this thread because it's entertaining, plus some people brought Routh up into it (usually to bash him, btw...), so it picked my interest as a fan of his. And I haven't even said anything bad or insulting towards Welling or his acting abilities so far, so..


this thread entertains me. lol

yup



I never questioned your right to read or post here.

I'm just pointing out that if I ever started stalking threads that support BR/SR with the sole intention of ripping on the guy and annoying people, then it would be time for me to shut off the computer and call a shrink. That's all.

I'm secure enough with my opinions to not have to resort to that kind of thing. You, however, are rather fanatically all over the place, with various names too from what I gather.

If my presence here annoys people, well, that's not my problem, like I said, it is A PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD. However, since when is reading the threads "stalking" as you put it? :huh: I don't get your logic. Actually, your post makes no sense to me. Also, ALL OF US who bother to post on internet message boards about Superman related stuff are fanatical/fans of his, IMO. The vast mayority of people DON'T DO IT, but US fans do cuz we really care. :cwink:

And on the 'various names' thing....LOTS of people do it ALL over the internet, so what's your point. :huh:

LOL

[b24]

^^^^ ahhahaha bring routh back

sorry i couldn't help it:)

bring jason back too

[Mikelus]

I posted that clip not to show that he is not a big movie star, but to show he is not a good actor and doesn't have the talent to star in a big league Superman.

Welling has worked with a long list of directors on Smallville and he continues to have very real, very large limits on his abilities. Again, the Bride episode is a perfect example - he was perfect during the action scene, but his dance with Lois was so utterly underwhelming...

I don't troll - I simply disagree with you and a few of the other "elite" posters here (that tends to not go over well).


Again with the same crap... Routh is not a good actor or Welling is just a freaking opinion not a fact. A clip as "proof"? :lmao:
SR is a big clip after clip of terrible wooden acting by Routh and Bosworth (the worst Lois Lane ever) both were horrendously underwhelming. Again, each person has its own SUBJECTIVE opinion about things. There are clips that show how TW does better acting than BR in SR (IMO), but if you prefer bland-uncharismatic acting, good for you. ;)

Troll? Some think you are because of your statements and excessive use of icons, to each its own.

[StorminNorman]

Again with the same crap... Routh is not a good actor or Welling is just a freaking opinion not a fact. A clip as "proof"? :lmao:
SR is a big clip after clip of terrible wooden acting by Routh and Bosworth (the worst Lois Lane ever) both were horrendously underwhelming. Again, each person has its own SUBJECTIVE opinion about things. There are clips that show how TW does better acting than BR in SR (IMO), but if you prefer bland-uncharismatic acting, good for you. ;)

Troll? Some think you are because of your statements and excessive use of icons, to each its own.

Good acting and bad acting is not necessarily subjective - there is an actual definition of "good acting" and "bad acting".

Its like writing. People can like bad writing, but that doesn't mean the writing isn't poor. People can enjoy poor acting (I mean Nic Cage has a career, yes?)

But again, I am not a Routh guy - I am simply a Routh over Welling guy. The two are greatly different.

[Showtime]

You are absolutely right: people have that right except when anyone here at the Smallville forum posts something in the Superman movies forum, someone at that forum reports about him/her and guess what?

"Prob ban, this member will return in a few days"


That is a completely ridiculous statement. :o

[Syncos]

Good acting and bad acting is not necessarily subjective - there is an actual definition of "good acting" and "bad acting".

Its like writing. People can like bad writing, but that doesn't mean the writing isn't poor. People can enjoy poor acting (I mean Nic Cage has a career, yes?)

But again, I am not a Routh guy - I am simply a Routh over Welling guy. The two are greatly different.

Welling's Clark has a defined characterization. Perhaps you don't like that characterization. But Welling has had fantastic moments outside of that characterization which have proven his acting abilities to me.

Apparently he hasn't to you. That's an opinion. Which is most certainly subjective.

[Showtime]

I'm really not sure why Routh or Cavill or anybody else is being talked about in this thread. This is the Smallville section and the thread is titled Tom Welling is Superman.

[Serene]

I don't get your logic. Actually, your post makes no sense to me.

*snip*

And on the 'various names' thing....LOTS of people do it ALL over the internet, so what's your point. :huh:

LOL

'Nuff said.

[heliorei]

That is a completely ridiculous statement.

It is so a ridiculous statement, it has happenned before: it's no opinion, it's a fact. just ask it to some members.

They might have deserved that... It is the mods job to decide that. And I read this thread because it's entertaining, plus some people brought Routh up into it (usually to bash him, btw...), so it picked my interest as a fan of his. And I haven't even said anything bad or insulting towards Welling or his acting abilities so far, so..

Might deserve that? Explain to me how for an example, AgentPat who does not insult anyone but defends Tom Welling eloquently ends up being banned for a few days simply because she defended him in the Superman movie Forum after so many people bashed Tom in the Superman movie forum...?

Without anyone reporting it to the mods, it would be impossible. it has to be some users with a 10 year old mentality


Bashing Routh? That only happens some occasional Routh fan comes here and says something "Routh is the best, Welling sucks" blah blah crap and even starts posting Routh pictures in this thread when clearly...

I'm really not sure why Routh or Cavill or anybody else is being talked about in this thread. This is the Smallville section and the thread is titled Tom Welling is Superman.

I rest my case.

[Serene]

Get your ass back in here and post! :cmad:

Pat! Don't leave! :csad: Why can't the old posters come back in here and have fun like we use to without the trolls chasing us off? Come back! Let's make this forum how it was in season 2-4 of Smallville! Let's party like its 2004 all over again!

It's the (likely) last season. I hope this forum will explode with Smallville fans over the next few months and we can enjoy/discuss/debate the final ride together.

Since returning from my self-imposed hiatus, I've taken almost everyone off my Ignore list even (although there are a few that will never come off of it). It's pretty ineffective to ignore someone when they tend to get quoted in other responses anyway.

I know Avid pops in now and then, but she's still digging herself out of a huge move and timezone flip. Triplet was having home PC problems. I'm going to have to bribe Pat with Tom-shaped cookies, oops, make that: protein bars :D, to get her to post more regularly though.

[Mostpowerful]

^^^^ ahhahaha bring routh back

sorry i couldn't help it:)

bring jason back too



Might deserve that? Explain to me how for an example, AgentPat who does not insult anyone but defends Tom Welling eloquently ends up being banned for a few days simply because she defended him in the Superman movie Forum after so many people bashed Tom in the Superman movie forum...?

Without anyone reporting it to the mods, it would be impossible. it has to be some users with a 10 year old mentality


Bashing Routh? That only happens some occasional Routh fan comes here and says something "Routh is the best, Welling sucks" blah blah crap and even starts posting Routh pictures in this thread when clearly...



.

I'm no mod here, so I have nothing to explain about that.. And I wasn't the one who posted pics of Routh.. It was the poster at the top of this post. He/she can't stop talking about him or SR, it seems..



'Nuff said.

Likewise..



I'm really not sure why Routh or Cavill or anybody else is being talked about in this thread. This is the Smallville section and the thread is titled Tom Welling is Superman.

Yeah

[Docker2.0]

It's the (likely) last season. I hope this forum will explode with Smallville fans over the next few months and we can enjoy/discuss/debate the final ride together.

Since returning from my self-imposed hiatus, I've taken almost everyone off my Ignore list even (although there are a few that will never come off of it). It's pretty ineffective to ignore someone when they tend to get quoted in other responses anyway.

I know Avid pops in now and then, but she's still digging herself out of a huge move and timezone flip. Triplet was having home PC problems. I'm going to have to bribe Pat with Tom-shaped cookies, oops, make that: protein bars :D, to get her to post more regularly though.

Just ignore them. Some people I don't even reply to. I mean, God forbid a mod doesn't do something about this. *glares at Showtime* :cmad: Anyway, with this being the last season, it could be like a reunion of some kind.

[Showtime]

It is so a ridiculous statement, it has happenned before: it's no opinion, it's a fact. just ask it to some members.

Not on my watch it hasn't.

[blksuperman2]

I'm really not sure why Routh or Cavill or anybody else is being talked about in this thread. This is the Smallville section and the thread is titled Tom Welling is Superman.

Indeed

[Lighthouse]

So......anyone think we'll see Batman on Smallville?

[b24]

^^^ let's assume adam knight was batman

[StorminNorman]

So is Batman now a zombie in the Smallville-a-verse?

[Showtime]

So......anyone think we'll see Batman on Smallville?

I doubt it. A big reason Graysons bit the dust was due to Nolan's Batman universe, so I doubt you'll see anything to do with Batman.

[Lighthouse]

I doubt it. A big reason Graysons bit the dust was due to Nolan's Batman universe, so I doubt you'll see anything to do with Batman.

I was kidding. I tried to kill the dead horse "Welling vs Routh" topic with the dead horse "Will we see Batman in Smallville" topic. Its been long established the we will never see Bruce Wayne.

[Tomwelling4sups]

Let's get down to the basics.

1) As far as we know WB wants to reboot Superman.
2) Its up to Welling whether there will be a 9th season of Smallville or not.
3) If he decides not to renew his contract he technically would be available for the role of Superman (if) Warners will offer him the role and (if) he's willing to do it.

[StorminNorman]

And there is currently no reason to assume either of the if's in 3. are possible in today's climate.

[b24]

don't u have anything else to do other than make AntiTW posts and promote craptacular junk SR here

[Showtime]

I was kidding. I tried to kill the dead horse "Welling vs Routh" topic with the dead horse "Will we see Batman in Smallville" topic. Its been long established the we will never see Bruce Wayne.

I figured, I was just trying to direct it somewhere else.

[The Sage]

Just ignore them. Some people I don't even reply to. I mean, God forbid a mod doesn't do something about this. *glares at Showtime* :cmad: Anyway, with this being the last season, it could be like a reunion of some kind.

The reunion's already in motion.

[RakuMon]

The reunion's already in motion.

Reunion, eh? I guess you can just call me "Larry Braverman" then.





*crickets*




(Am I the only one who watches 30 Rock?)

[Zorex]

Reunion, eh? I guess you can just call me "Larry Braverman" then.





*crickets*




(Am I the only one who watches 30 Rock?
I want to go to there!

[RakuMon]

^ Nice. :up:

Also, I have to agree that popcorn on a private jet is the best thing ever.

[Double Down]

Reunion, eh? I guess you can just call me "Larry Braverman" then.





*crickets*




(Am I the only one who watches 30 Rock?)

:woot:

[Prison Mike]

I want to go to there!

:lmao:

I love how she looks directly into the camera and says that with her eyes wide open.

[The Incredible Hulk]

hey wow I can actually get into the forums without my anti-virus software going nuts.. thats a start I guess. Although I see this thread could use a good cleansing

[Tomwelling4sups]

lol, welcome back hulk. :up:

[Serene]

hey wow I can actually get into the forums without my anti-virus software going nuts.. thats a start I guess. Although I see this thread could use a good cleansing

Ah-ha! So that's why my new PC was doing Very Bad things yesterday.

[Docker2.0]

The reunion's already in motion.

Get outta my thread! :cmad:




Oh wait! I've got to be nice til the gang all comes back.....glad to see you Sage!.....:o









































:cmad:

[b24]

So is Batman now a zombie in the Smallville-a-verse?


maybe u don't know that almiles intended to use young bruce wayne in the show hence they introduced character adam knight who later suppsed to reveal his real nam bruce wayne

but WB thought it will be better if don't bring bruce waynce in SV so they changed adam knight's story arch in later episode

[sethcohen]

that was never the case... him being bruce was always a red herring

[The Incredible Hulk]

Ah-ha! So that's why my new PC was doing Very Bad things yesterday.


yup, this site set off the McAfee at my office so many times the past 2 days that Websense has now blocked the SHH forums as being a "malicious website." :(

[Tomwelling4sups]

^ Well, its right :p

[b24]

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=QG4zTFu98bU

checkout thise video and u will know why TW SHOULD be superman

[Billy Batson]

^ F***en EXACTLY!!! "Rosetta" is when Welling for SUPERMAN all began for me.

[b24]

not to mention that John william background score throught whole scene

i hope they bring back Krypton theme music by end of this season

[Billy Batson]

^ Also the camera technic to add that Superman The Movie atmosphere / texture to the scene along with that great score. CLASSIC!!!

[b24]

i also noticed where clark says " i m the only one of my race I am alone" and his father says " you are not alone"

similar type scen was in SR where superman says "i m the only survivior of krypton i m alone" and his morthers says "your are not alone"

[The Incredible Hulk]

I still to this day have not figured out what purpose Martha Kent served in SR? :confused:

[Docker2.0]

I still to this day have not figured out what purpose Martha Kent served in SR? :confused:
As you know, Bryan Singer isn't into women and Bosworth isn't hot at all so he wanted to add someone with sex appeal. Being that he isn't into women................his Martha Kent was the most he could do to bring males into the seats: by adding the raw sex appeal in full fury. :dry:



That's the best excuse I can come up with becuase her appearance in the movie was completely unnecessary. :dry:

[Showtime]

The point of her went away with the deleted scenes thus making her...well...pointless.

[b24]

^^ thye deleted her scnes

suppsedly she also got married to her neighbour in the movie ????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[b24]

what would have been better that they used martha in that climax hospital scene instead of corny lois's Jason is your son scene

martha could have talked about how seeing her son in hospital bed hurts her allot and she knows how world needs him something like that would have been much better

[Mikelus]

not to mention that John william background score throught whole scene

i hope they bring back Krypton theme music by end of this season


Lets hope WB doesn't have a problem with them using the Superman score, like they do with the suit. :whatever:

[Docker2.0]

Not sure WB has a problem of putting the suit in Smallville as much and G&M did. Now that I think about it, I can't really blame Tom for not wearing the suit on the show. They should update it like they did GA and Flash's costume. Just not sure a cape and underwear on the outside would work in a Smallville world.

[LexFactor]

Not sure WB has a problem of putting the suit in Smallville as much and G&M did. Now that I think about it, I can't really blame Tom for not wearing the suit on the show. They should update it like they did GA and Flash's costume. Just not sure a cape and underwear on the outside would work in a Smallville world.

Didn't TPTB recently say that they weren't allowed to show the suit?

[Mikelus]

^^ Yes they did:

"Clark might not be able to appear in the Superman outfit in Smallville's final scene since it could conflict with the big-screen franchise, according to Swimmer."

source: TV Guide

But who knows if at least they let them show the \S/ when Clark rips the shirt (if they go for it).

[Prison Mike]

I would be satisfied if he just rips his shirt to show the :supes:

[blksuperman2]

As you know, Bryan Singer isn't into women and Bosworth isn't hot at all so he wanted to add someone with sex appeal. Being that he isn't into women................his Martha Kent was the most he could do to bring males into the seats: by adding the raw sex appeal in full fury. :dry:

This made me chuckle.

[Prison Mike]

Bosworth was hot in that surfing movie. then....not sure what happened to her. :huh:

[Showtime]

If they don't at least put him in the suit during the last episode, then it is absolutely ridiculous.

[The Watchman]

...and not a crappy 'modernized' version of it either ala GA, Aquaman, et al.

[Showtime]

Nope. Classic all the way.

[Serene]

I still to this day have not figured out what purpose Martha Kent served in SR? :confused:

Acting cred? Eva Marie Saint brings it. But yes, it was a bit of a waste.

[Billy Batson]

If they don't at least put him in the suit during the last episode, then it is absolutely ridiculous.

Nah! it won't be ridiculous because he'll wear it in the new SUPERMAN film Trilogy. :woot:

[The Incredible Hulk]

^^ Yes they did:



But who knows if at least they let them show the \S/ when Clark rips the shirt (if they go for it).

the quote doesnt speak in absolutes, and honestly even if tptb plan to use the suit in the finale, they arent going to spill the details of the penultimate moment of the series 5 - 17 months before hand.

[Docker2.0]

If they don't at least put him in the suit during the last episode, then it is absolutely ridiculous.

That's the WB for you. :o

[Mike_D202]

Well then all they need to do is use the SR suit then right?

I mean they used the symbol.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Well then all they need to do is use the SR suit then right?

I mean they used the symbol.

Smallville's symbol is different from the SR symbol. They have a similar tail to the "S" but that's about it. Somewhere there's a gif that compares the two and you can see just how different they are. I think by DC rule no two Superman can have the same symbol

[b24]

Not sure WB has a problem of putting the suit in Smallville as much and G&M did. Now that I think about it, I can't really blame Tom for not wearing the suit on the show. They should update it like they did GA and Flash's costume. Just not sure a cape and underwear on the outside would work in a Smallville world.


that will be MAJOR copout if they did that

that underwear and cape have been part of superman history for 70 years

superman is more bigger than GA and flash and in almiles own words they want to align this show to movies and comics

although SV tried to be more "realistic" show on superman but i think that costume can still work in SV universe it has to be

and remember in earliesr seseaon where MF touches clark he sees clark's Cape and since SV loves to give irony clark will wear cape for sure

[b24]

I would be satisfied if he just rips his shirt to show the :supes:

that will be MORE likley scenirio

and i m satisfied with that

i see clark ripping of his shirt and there S sheild

[Showtime]

Nah! it won't be ridiculous because he'll wear it in the new SUPERMAN film Trilogy. :woot:

:dry:

That's the WB for you. :o

And for you...and you...and you...

Well then all they need to do is use the SR suit then right? I mean they used the symbol.

As Hulk said, not quite the same symbol. Why would you want the SR suit? :csad: