Tom Welling as Superman

[AgentPat]

ARGH!!! Folks, I haven't had time to write it yet. Sorry. Life happens and all that jazz, j'know? :p

As soon as I get something assembled (seriously, it aint THAT impressive - just another "review" from a die hard SV fan *ahem*), I'll post a link so everybody can read it. Again, it aint that big of a deal.

You guys are funny! :eek: ;) :D



Meesa now off to the Land of Zod. Nighters! :)

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/goodnight.gif

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Since Superman Returns is kind of flopping hopefully that means Warner Bros. will be a little less reluctant about letting TW don the tights for SV's finale.

I never said SR would do great at box office numbers. Do a search for proof :o

However it is a good film and Brandon Routh is amazing as Superman/Clark. Best choice available period :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

something tells me you'd be posting that in here even if he was on screen moaning like Frankenstein's monster, so as to somehow vindicate your delusional self......Now stop posting about "Woody" in here you've really lost any credibility you might have had left in these parts....

[darkzombiemutt]

lmao

[DogofKrypton]

I never said SR would do great at box office numbers. Do a search for proof :o

However it is a good film and Brandon Routh is amazing as Superman/Clark. Best choice available period :up:

Didn't C.Lee say not to bring up SR in here anymore?

[triplet]

Didn't C.Lee say not to bring up SR in here anymore?

I thought C. Lee told him to not POST in here anymore....

[Serene]

The last few days have made this thread extremely relevant again.

SV fans got run out of the SR board because we didn't know anything about Superman, and were supporting a franchise (and actor) that did more harm then good to the character. We got pushed out, because we weren't real fans, and we didn't REALLY know how much the general public would love this new movie -- forgoing all things SV as they feel into that love.

SV has made enough money in NET profit (keep focus of the fact I’m saying net, and not gross) already to have earned itself a 200 million dollar budgeted movie (and that budget STILL wouldn't have eaten all the profits its made over the last 5 years). The fans of SV who have paid up in MANY different ways over the years deserve their movie, but barring a miracle run at the BO from SR, they'll likely never get it.

We sit here today, watching a board full of "real" Superman fans being utterly perplexed as to why their beloved character failed to live up to expectations. We sit here today watching a board full of “real” Superman fans backtrack on statements made months and months ago (about the surefire popularity of SR).

I take it all the way back to the famous MSNBC poll. 75% of the general public knew what it wanted. Many in “there” stood up and said: “no, they’ll be told what it is they want through the sheer awesomeness of this awesome movie.” I guess everyone should have been paying attention, because the general public really was trying to say something.

Quoting the whole post because I like it just that much. Nicely said, Zing. :up:

RE: the Kane situation. Granted, it's good that he's not able to post in this forum anymore, although judging by past history, he'll just assume another one of his sock puppets to get around that. The bigger issue that I don't really understand, is why a forum would want any member who has shown himself to be such a dishonorable person.. repeatedly. His presence as a posting member brings down the entire site, and allowing him to do so reflects even worse.

Personally (although I'm sure this holds for my fellow posters here who were also involved) I find it to be a slap in the face. I would have thought that if there was a valid reason that he was allowed back, an explanation was owed to those of us who were victimized. I got nuthin'..so I'm assuming he was allowed to just slide.

I know C.Lee isn't the final word on a lot of this stuff, and I do appreciate that he tends to watch over us ugly red-headed step-children - by taking the time to actually know what's going on in here before just randomly probating people left and right. Do we sometimes push the envelope a bit? Well, sure. :), but it's more defensive rather than offensive. But for the most part, the regular posters in here aren't here to cause trouble, and I think he knows that.

[AgentPat]

SV film, anybody? Why yes! Yes, I'd like that in a big way. Bring it on!

Break out your calculators folks. It's time to crunch the numbers again 'cause this stuff keeps getting brought up in one form or another...

In terms of general audience, most people don't want to sit in a theater for more than two hours to watch a movie. Shorter films also allow exhibitors to run more showings per day, per screen. So the goal should be a happy balance between satisfying length and daily B.O. receipt potential.

Star Trek is a TV series that became a profitable film franchise. Two of its most popular films were under two hours; The Wrath of Khan was 113 min, and The Voyage home was 119 min. A feature length SV film of approximately an hour and fifty-five minutes would be two and a half times the length of a 45 minute episode (run time without commercials.)

I believe the budget for the average SV episode is about $2.5M, but I wouldn't be surprised if they spend about $4M for season premieres and finales since those are the "event" episodes. $4M times 2.5 is $10M. Hmm. That sounds wicked low, doesn't it? Okay, double it. Make it $20M. Still too low? Well sheeit... triple it. Make it $30M. Just THINK of the kind of feature length SV "episode" we could get if they had 30 freakin' MILLION dollars to play with.

Okay, the National Association of Theatre Owners (http://www.natoonline.org/statisticstickets.htm) reports that the average price for a movie ticket last year (2005) was $6.41. An average of about 5 million viewers watch first run episodes of SV every week. If just *those* viewers saw the film in the first two week of release, B.O. receipts would equal the film's entire production budget plus an extra 5 million on top of that. And we're just talking average SV viewers here - not their friends and families that would join them, or any repeat business such a film might elicit from hard core fans.

This aint rocket science folks, and I SUCK at math. But there it is. That's R.O.I.! Tell me Warners hasn't crunched these numbers already. Tell me that so I can roll my eyes. :rolleyes:

BTW: Khan made back its $11M production budget in the first w/e of release with an extra $4M to spare. It went on to do $79M domestic and $97M w/w. Voyage Home cost $25M to produce, made $110M domestically and $133M w/w.

[RakuMon]

Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I've been championing a Smallville movie from the very beginning. Heck, it's the reason why I joined SHH (rather than lurking) in the first place. I always thought a spin-off movie was always the way to go.

If anyone would like to search some of my very first posts back in June '04 on the Supes board, you'll see just that.

Maybe, just maybe... it might still happen.

[AgentPat]

Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I've been championing a Smallville movie from the very beginning. Heck, it's the reason why I joined SHH (rather than lurking) in the first place. I always thought a spin-off movie was always the way to go.

If anyone would like to search some of my very first posts back in June '04 on the Supes board, you'll see just that.

Maybe, just maybe... it might still happen.I remember when you first came on, Raku. Those were fun times, weren't they? Back then, I was just for Welling going on to do a Superman film because I thought it would be an easier sell. Smallville brings with it a certain bias in the minds of average film goers, and Warners wanted a BLOCKBUSTER film to bring the house down. Smallville wouldn't have done that back then, and it still won't do that IMHO.

But the studio also wants to make money, which is key. The rule of thumb *used* to be that a film would have to gross twice its production budget in domestic receipts to turn a profit. This isn't quite the case anymore due to the importance of worldwide B.O., and home video. That said, a $200M budget stacks the odds against you if the goal is to turn a profit, which it IS. So, if they can keep the budget low while still producing a satisfying film, everybody can have their cake and eat it too.

Since the studio has finally made the "blockbuster" film they wanted, they can now put that goal behind them and move on with other endeavors. Maybe now we can get a SV film. It won't change what's already done and out there; they'll still have the other franchise in place with its associated ancillary profits coming in.

Anyhoo, both sides will continue to rightfully argue, SV is a completely separate franchise and should be kept as such. Don't cross the steams. Double dip 'em. ;)

Bring on "Smallville: Birthright." :D :up:

[Zing79]

Lately I’ve been thinking more and more that our boy may indeed get his shot. There’s a real likelihood BR’s run as Superman is over, and I find it hard to believe WB is going to let their most marketable asset just sit stale forever because SR will fail to produce the ROI they were looking for.

If you look at the decisions facing WB now (as it relates to Superman), the easiest and safest one left is to simply hand the keys to the kingdom over to SV.

I’m really going to be interested to see how this plays out at the corporate offices of WB over the next year or so.

[AgentPat]

...I’m really going to be interested to see how this plays out at the corporate offices of WB over the next year or so.You always manage to say what I'm thinking, Zing. ;)

We'll probably have a better idea on how things may play out after the summer ends, and after TPTB have had a few weeks of ratings to crunch. One thing's for sure though...

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/gorilla.jpg

^ I don't think anybody knows who that is anymore. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/confused2.gif

[NHawk19]

^^ With a 58% fall off this week and now facing the fact that yes it will atleast gain back production budget. Who knows, but the next movie will have to really be something special.

[Kaboom]

where do you think an 800 lb gorilla would sleep pat?

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Lately I’ve been thinking more and more that our boy may indeed get his shot. There’s a real likelihood BR’s run as Superman is over, and I find it hard to believe WB is going to let their most marketable asset just sit stale forever because SR will fail to produce the ROI they were looking for.

If you look at the decisions facing WB now (as it relates to Superman), the easiest and safest one left is to simply hand the keys to the kingdom over to SV.

I’m really going to be interested to see how this plays out at the corporate offices of WB over the next year or so.

Hopefully they are smart enough to do that. Have seen the first hour of the movie and no diss to BR but he just doesn't do anything for me, no personality and either mimicks Chris or does his own thing and then forgets and switches the voices he uses for Clark/Superman. There's even one scene in which he plays Clark starting with a nerdy voice and then he's already talking in a deep voice like Supes...lol He just seems flat, maybe I'll change my mind. But like I always said if you don't believe in the actor he's just a guy in the suit. I think it could maybe worked out if it had been Chris himself doing this movie. He had the special ability to make it work even in a lesser film.

[Serene]

Lately I’ve been thinking more and more that our boy may indeed get his shot. There’s a real likelihood BR’s run as Superman is over, and I find it hard to believe WB is going to let their most marketable asset just sit stale forever because SR will fail to produce the ROI they were looking for.

If you look at the decisions facing WB now (as it relates to Superman), the easiest and safest one left is to simply hand the keys to the kingdom over to SV.

I’m really going to be interested to see how this plays out at the corporate offices of WB over the next year or so.

I'm with ya' Zing, but looking at it from a slightly different perspective, what do we think the impact of a failed Superman movie will have on SV, if any at all?

I don't know if TMTSNBN will actually be a total failure yet (although it's looking a bit sad at this point), it is selling a LOT of tickets - just not enough perhaps to make up for that insanely high budget they had. But let's say the bottom line is that it's seen as a financial disaster (ultimately), does that have any effect on people's interest in watching SV this upcoming season???

Or.. does the fact that it did sell a lot of seats help to bring potential new viewers to this show about Superman?

Discuss, and write a 5 page, double-spaced paper - font size no bigger than 10, cheaters! ;)

[MJZ]

You know I'd venture to say that Batman is WB's "strongest asset" from DC, and has been for the last 20 years. The character is far more marketable and appealing to the masses.

[NHawk19]

You know I'd venture to say that Batman is WB's "strongest asset" from DC, and has been for the last 20 years. The character is far more marketable and appealing to the masses.

Ya know I'd venture to say there is an arguement to be had in favor of that.

Batman averaged a movie once every 3 1/2 years since 1989, has played into several of his own cartoons and has had mass appeal at several theme parks. Supes may be the most be more recognizable, but they sure havent figured out what to do with him.

[The Caped Knight]

You know I'd venture to say that Batman is WB's "strongest asset" from DC, and has been for the last 20 years. The character is far more marketable and appealing to the masses.

I don't doubt that one bit.

like I said before their are three Superheroes that are world wide famous

1. BATS]
- both Bats & Sups along with Wonder Woman are the core group of DCU .
2. SUPS]

3. Spidey - is the core of Marvel comics

[Hollywoodland]

I dont understand. You said I wasnt allowed to talk about SR at all on this board in that other thread but you guys are talking about it freely here.

Whats the rule on this?

[Kaboom]

I dont understand. You said I wasnt allowed to talk about SR at all on this board in that other thread but you guys are talking about it freely here.

Whats the rule on this?

the rule is that SR cannot be mentioned. The rule began bc of the flame wars which would be intentionally started.

although your right, the above conversation is probably against the rule, it doesnt seem to me like it was an intentional flame-oriented type of thing.

[Zing79]

I dont understand. You said I wasnt allowed to talk about SR at all on this board in that other thread but you guys are talking about it freely here.

Whats the rule on this?
Well the discussion isn't so much bout SR, as it is about the fact that SV might be the only real fall back plan WB has now.

[Zing79]

I'm with ya' Zing, but looking at it from a slightly different perspective, what do we think the impact of a failed Superman movie will have on SV, if any at all?

I don't know if TMTSNBN will actually be a total failure yet (although it's looking a bit sad at this point), it is selling a LOT of tickets - just not enough perhaps to make up for that insanely high budget they had. But let's say the bottom line is that it's seen as a financial disaster (ultimately), does that have any effect on people's interest in watching SV this upcoming season???

Or.. does the fact that it did sell a lot of seats help to bring potential new viewers to this show about Superman?

Discuss, and write a 5 page, double-spaced paper - font size no bigger than 10, cheaters! ;)
There really isn’t that much to discuss, its pretty cut and dry if you ask me.

I don’t see SR having any effect on SV – it’s an established brand at this point, with a built in audience. That audience isn’t going away because of SR. It doesn’t mean it won’t erode if the show gets stale, but any erosion shouldn’t happen because of the movie.

Same goes for new fans. Any increase in viewership will most likely come from the expansion of the CW network, and not from people who went to see SR and had never seen SV.

In all honesty, if you look at the tracking data for SR it looks very much like only Superman fans are going to see the movie. POTC 2 is tracking wide; that’s what SR should have tracked like, and it’s nowhere near that.

It’s likely that Superman fans came out to see this, and few other people. That tells you:
A) Superman has a wickedly large fanbase
B) This is the same group of people that either already watch, or already hate SV

So with that in mind, nothing really changes for SV -- although it does tell you something about an SV movie and how it would do. At the bare minimum this is probably what you’d see an SV movie bring back in Box-Office receipts thanks to the Superman brand. This is also why I’m now saying SV is the easiest fall back plan for WB at this point. An SV movie wouldn’t need a 200 million budget (it could probably survive with half that). An SV movie wouldn’t need to be two and a half hours long, because it doesn’t need to establish a universe or mythos.

An SV movie would cost less, make the same, and restart the franchise without confusing Superman fans and the public into staying away from it.

[TKodami]

A) Superman has a wickedly large fanbase
B) This is the same group of people that either already watch, or already hate SV


Though I absolutely love & adore TMTSNBN, I am also a huge Smallville fan. I'd hoped that this new cinematic entry would help expand Smallville's fan base (more fans = larger ratings...and perhaps larger budgets? :)), but you're probably right on this point. Ah well.

[Kaboom]

Tmtsnbn?

[AgentPat]

where do you think an 800 lb gorilla would sleep pat?In this case? I'd like to think right in the middle of a boardroom table at Warners Features. :D

But seriously, I'd imagine there's a lot of frazzled nerves in Burbank right now. I'd also be willing to bet that for every frayed end there's a different suggestion being offered on what to do next, both in long and short terms. There's no easy fix, and as much as I'd love to see SV graduate up to films after its completed its run on television, they still have to get good scriptwriters, mind their production costs, woodshed appropriate release windows and devise a killer marketing plan. Sometimes, the most obvious elements are the ones that aren't as simple as they appear.

[Kaboom]

just a hunch, but maybe fans arent ready to see their super heroes battle things like growing islands or fathers/anger within.

maybe they just want to see hulk rage and smash stuff up and see superman in wondrous action like battling darkseid(maybe thats why people say the best part of the movie was the airplane scene).

i mean characterization is great and im all for it, but a super hero movie has to have super spectacular action, i.e. spider-man, blade, batman begins. thats what i think was missing.

[AgentPat]

just a hunch, but maybe fans aren't ready to see their super heroes battle things like growing islands or fathers/anger within.

maybe they just want to see hulk rage and smash stuff up and see superman in wondrous action like battling darkseid(maybe that's why people say the best part of the movie was the airplane scene).

i mean characterization is great and im all for it, but a super hero movie has to have super spectacular action, i.e. spider-man, blade, batman begins. that's what i think was missing.Hee! Well, I agree 110%. I think I HORRIFIED our favorite pizzaman when I told him that one of my secret fantasies was to see a Superman flick helmed by Michael Bay.

Yeah, I'll probably never live that one down. :O

Honestly, all I personally want from a summer popcorn movie is to have a lot of fun. I want to fall in love with the (super)hero and envy his girlfriend - if not the actress who *plays* the GF (LOL). I want the visuals to be mind blowing and the music appropriately triumphant and/or heartfelt. I want the characters to be witty and have snappy dialog so I can laugh with them, not at them. A fantasy movie about the greatest superhero ever known should be the equivalent of a wild roller coaster ride. I don't notice the chipped paint or ripped seats when my arms are in the air and I'm screaming my head off as the car banks and flips upside down at 80 miles per hour.

Savvy?

*ahem*

;)

[TKodami]

Tmtsnbn?

The Movie That Shall Not Be Named. :D



edit: this board uses odd font sizes. :O

[TKodami]

Hee! Well, I agree 110%. I think I HORRIFIED our favorite pizzaman when I told him that one of my secret fantasies was to see a Superman flick helmed by Michael Bay.

Yeah, I'll probably never live that one down. :O

Honestly, all I personally want from a summer popcorn movie is to have a lot of fun. I want to fall in love with the (super)hero and envy his girlfriend - if not the actress who *plays* the GF (LOL). I want the visuals to be mind blowing and the music appropriately triumphant and/or heartfelt. I want the characters to be witty and have snappy dialog so I can laugh with them, not at them. A fantasy movie about the greatest superhero ever known should be the equivalent of a wild roller coaster ride. I don't notice the chipped paint or ripped seats when my arms are in the air and I'm screaming my head off as the car banks and flips upside down at 80 miles per hour.

Savvy?

*ahem*

;)

Which is a totally fine thing to want. Course I don't agree with it, since I adore and love what we received, but if one were to make an action-packed movie with a whole lot of :supes:--let's be serious, I'd still love it, just not as much...but I can't help it! I love all of Supes' incarnations.

Of course, I think that none of us want to see another origin story, even three or five years down the road. I'm frankly sick to death of new takes on Superman's origin. Superman Begins is already being done amazingly right on television right now anyway. :)

Anyhow, I'm going to tip-toe away from this subject now. I don't want to be hit with any ban-sticks. Or make anyone stop reading my posts or anything. :O

[Hollywoodland]

Zing, this is so SR discussion. It should probably end here. I got into some trouble by making that previous SR thread, so I think its prudent to end the discussion about the film and even its Box office here. Theres threads for this in the \S/ forum.

TKodami, Pat is entitled to his views but if you want to debate points like that, you should probably take it to the other forum too.

I'm not sure why the admins are so strict about this stuff but they enforce it when you least expect it.

[TKodami]

TKodami, Pat is entitled to his views but if you want to debate points like that, you should probably take it to the other forum too.


Nope, I don't want to debate her at all. I'm completely cool with her views. As I said, I love all versions of Supes. And I would love to see different interpretations on the screen, too--including her preferred action-fest extravaganza. Just maybe not a Michael Bay flick, heheh. :)

The urge to talk about all things Superman is just so hard to resist. But look at me, I'm shutting up now. For real. :O

[AgentPat]

...The urge to talk about all things Superman is just so hard to resist. But look at me, I'm shutting up now. For real. :OThere's no reason you *should* shut up. We're not even debating. We're discussing what we'd like to see in a Smallville movie. While everybody in this forum may have different opinions about story, villain(s), music, direction and overall content, it's being discussed in THIS thread because the cast for such a hypothetical film is a given. Otherwise, the Misc. Superman Film Forum (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=109) would be a more appropriate place, and I think the regs are very much aware of that. Nobody needs to be reminded, especially by n00bs.

It seems obvious to me that everybody is trying to have a pleasant conversation about a very SV-related topic. We're minding our own business and being respectful of everybody's opinions. Nobody is acting like an arse or baiting. In short, there are no trolls here, and I think everybody would like to keep it like that. So, if the conversation doesn't appeal to folks, I'd suggest finding another thread or forum. I'd hope that folks here could just be left alone to discuss SV and its future.

Thanks.

[Kaboom]

entourage last night....james cameron wasnt signed for Aquaman 2...instead, its Michael Bay.

to which Vince's immediate response was "That's it. I'm off the movie."

[Kaboom]

There's no reason you *should* shut up. We're not even debating. We're discussing what we'd like to see in a Smallville movie. While everybody in this forum may have different opinions about story, villain(s), music, direction and overall content, it's being discussed in THIS thread because the cast for such a hypothetical film is a given. Otherwise, the Misc. Superman Film Forum (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=109) would be a more appropriate place, and I think the regs are very much aware of that. Nobody needs to be reminded, especially by n00bs.

It seems obvious to me that everybody is trying to have a pleasant conversation about a very SV-related topic. We're minding our own business and being respectful of everybody's opinions. Nobody is acting like an arse or baiting. In short, there are no trolls here, and I think everybody would like to keep it like that. So, if the conversation doesn't appeal to folks, I'd suggest finding another thread or forum. I'd hope that folks here could just be left alone to discuss SV and its future.

Thanks.

hows that helmet fitting pat?!?!?!

[NHawk19]

Hee! Well, I agree 110%. I think I HORRIFIED our favorite pizzaman when I told him that one of my secret fantasies was to see a Superman flick helmed by Michael Bay.

Yeah, I'll probably never live that one down. :O

Honestly, all I personally want from a summer popcorn movie is to have a lot of fun. I want to fall in love with the (super)hero and envy his girlfriend - if not the actress who *plays* the GF (LOL). I want the visuals to be mind blowing and the music appropriately triumphant and/or heartfelt. I want the characters to be witty and have snappy dialog so I can laugh with them, not at them. A fantasy movie about the greatest superhero ever known should be the equivalent of a wild roller coaster ride. I don't notice the chipped paint or ripped seats when my arms are in the air and I'm screaming my head off as the car banks and flips upside down at 80 miles per hour.

Savvy?

*ahem*

;)

Hence the reason POTC 2 is doing so well. It wasnt a work of cinematic excellence, it wasn't a wondrous new revelation in film making or story telling, but it had all those elements you listed above. It was a good ride.

Now as far as SV goes I for one think a complete re-boot wouldnt be necessary, but a Birthright for all seasons would be nice.

[Serene]

There really isn’t that much to discuss, its pretty cut and dry if you ask me.

I don’t see SR having any effect on SV – it’s an established brand at this point, with a built in audience. That audience isn’t going away because of SR. It doesn’t mean it won’t erode if the show gets stale, but any erosion shouldn’t happen because of the movie.

Same goes for new fans. Any increase in viewership will most likely come from the expansion of the CW network, and not from people who went to see SR and had never seen SV.

I agree with the SR not having any negative affect on SV, but I do think there's potential for some new viewers who have maybe had their Superman interest piqued (or re-piqued) to perhaps decide to check out that SV show they've heard about, but never watched before.

You get an "A" for your response though.
Now where's my apple? :)

[TKodami]

Hence the reason POTC 2 is doing so well. It wasnt a work of cinematic excellence, it wasn't a wondrous new revelation in film making or story telling, but it had all those elements you listed above. It was a good ride.

Now as far as SV goes I for one think a complete re-boot wouldnt be necessary, but a Birthright for all seasons would be nice.

It would be great to follow CK around the world and see him starting off at the Daily Planet without having to tell the earlier origin stuff again. I think Smallville's really nailing his high school years. Don't think I need to see them re-interpreted for a little while longer.

I'd really love to see a movie where the core characters from SV deal with the arrival of Superman. One interesting dynamic I'd love to see at play is Lex's utter state of denial in regards to Clark. Even though he knows Clark is "special," anything other than Clark bearing his soul to Lex has led him to say "Clark, you're not yourself--how else could you do this thing, etc. etc." That, more than wicked cool explosions, would put my butt in the seat.

Course, we still need to put AgentPat's butt in the seat, so we've gotta have those too! Hehe. :D

I was watching the Third Superman:TAS collection yesterday, and I really loved the episode "New Kids on the Block," where the Legion of Superheroes visits a young Clark Kent in Smallville. It is only one of one a handful of TAS episodes that touch on the SV years and it made me realize how much I missed that part of Supes' life in other tellings of the story.

I agree with the SR not having any negative affect on SV, but I do think there's potential for some new viewers who have maybe had their Superman interest piqued (or re-piqued) to perhaps decide to check out that SV show they've heard about, but never watched before.


Out of the friends I took to see SR, one was an SV fan, the others weren't. They all enjoyed the movie--so I'm going to try get the rest of 'em addicted to SV if I can. :up:

[Desk]

You know, it occurs to me that Smallville has been shot on high-grade film stock, and in widescreen...

Wouldn't it be possible for a SV film to use footage from the TV series, perhaps as a sort of "montage" recapping key events from the show?

Imagine that... a Superman film where you actually see the lead character visibly age from teenager to adult, and unlike the use of Jeff East and Chris Reeve it's actually the same actor all the way through.

[AgentPat]

entourage last night....james cameron wasn't signed for Aquaman 2...instead, its Michael Bay.

to which Vince's immediate response was "That's it. I'm off the movie."LMFAO!!! :up: :D

hows that helmet fitting pat?!?!?!Tight around the temples, but I'll live. I've got plenty of Tylenol. ;)

I'd really love to see a movie where the core characters from SV deal with the arrival of Superman. One interesting dynamic I'd love to see at play is Lex's utter state of denial in regards to Clark...From your mouth to their ears! Please, let this happen. PLEASE!!!!! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/pray.gif

Course, we still need to put AgentPat's butt in the seat, so we've gotta have those too! Hehe. :DPfffft! Welling reading from a phone book would put *my* butt in any theater seat LOL, but that's just me. That said, a newly evolving love story between his Superman and Durance's Lois Lane, with lots of crazy action, witty dialog, a Birthright-like story and new music would be icing on a cake the size of Mt. Everest for me. Bring. It. ON!!!!!

You know, it occurs to me that Smallville has been shot on high-grade film stock, and in widescreen...

Wouldn't it be possible for a SV film to use footage from the TV series, perhaps as a sort of "montage" recapping key events from the show?

Imagine that... a Superman film where you actually see the lead character visibly age from teenager to adult, and unlike the use of Jeff East and Chris Reeve it's actually the same actor all the way through.DESK!!! Long time no chat, hon! We missed ya. Whatdaya think? SV film more possible now? *grin* My husband (who knows SQUAT about Hollywood and motion pictures as a business) had just finished watching CNN's entertainment report and asked, "so, does this mean they're gonna make a SV film?" Hah! Smart guy. LOL

[Desk]

DESK!!! Long time no chat, hon! We missed ya. Whatdaya think? SV film more possible now? *grin* My husband (who knows SQUAT about Hollywood and motion pictures as a business) had just finished watching CNN's entertainment report and asked, "so, does this mean they're gonna make a SV film?" Hah! Smart guy. LOL
Hey, Pat - good to run into you again!

Taking an established, enduring and successful TV show that appeals to key demographics and elevating it onto the big screen as a similar-yet-distinct filmic entity...?

I can actually see that emerging as a good face-saving escape plan. :)

[Serene]

Desk... good to see you 'round these parts again. :)

[Desk]

Desk... good to see you 'round these parts again. :)
Good to encounter you as well, Serene! It's been too long. :)

[AgentPat]

Hey, Pat - good to run into you again!

Taking an established, enduring and successful TV show that appeals to key demographics and elevating it onto the big screen as a similar-yet-distinct entity...?

I can actually see that emerging as a good face-saving filmic escape plan. :)No argument from this peanut gallery. I hope TPTB see it that way as well. Just keep your fingers crossed that if they do choose that route, they wait till the show finishes out its run. Then we get our cake and can eat it too. :D :up:

[Zing79]

No argument from this peanut gallery. I hope TPTB see it that way as well. Just keep your fingers crossed that if they do choose that route, they wait till the show finishes out its run. Then we get our cake and can eat it too. :D :up:
Even if they went that route I'm sure they'd do everything humanly possible to stretch out SV to 7 seasons without having the ratings slide. They'd need buffer time between SR and an SV feature -- Summer 2009 anyone?

[AgentPat]

Even if they went that route I'm sure they'd do everything humanly possible to stretch out SV to 7 seasons without having the ratings slide. They'd need buffer time between SR and an SV feature -- Summer 2009 anyone?What's the sked look like for the next batch of superhero films? Batman Begins sequel? Fantastic Four 2? Spider-Man 3? I haven't been paying attention. Warners would (should) try to shoot for a window away from those films, while still keeping tabs on the possibility of an X-Men 4 and even a Hulk restart. There's also Flash and Wonder Woman films in the works, though I'm not sure how far into production those are, or if they've even been greenlit yet.

[Hollywoodland]

I really dont want to get my hopes up for a Smallville film. While unique, we'll likely know about the Superman film for 2009 by the end of the summer, and if Batman Begins was given a sequel without hesitation, despite a lower than expected (but adequate start), the same will likely be for the current franchaise in question.

Despite everything, it was confirmed on bt that Dan Harris is penning ideas for the 2009 film right now.

[Zing79]

What's the sked look like for the next batch of superhero films? Batman Begins sequel? Fantastic Four 2? Spider-Man 3? I haven't been paying attention. Warners would (should) try to shoot for a window away from those films, while still keeping tabs on the possibility of an X-Men 4 and even a Hulk restart. There's also Flash and Wonder Woman films in the works, though I'm not sure how far into production those are, or if they've even been greenlit yet.
Doesn't matter when everyone else is coming out. I keep saying it but I actually am dead serious when those words are typed onto the page. Give SV a Spider-Man 1 like budget (139 mil), and the EXACT same group that has seen SR regardless of how much they may hate the film would come out to see it as well. The tracking data for SR is showing that it's playing heavily to Superman fans.

An SV film that makes SR money would be VERY profitable for WB.

[Kaboom]

hows the saying go: he who laughs last?

[Zing79]

hows the saying go: he who laughs last?
Gets a probationary ban? :confused: :)

[Kaboom]

Lol...

[triplet]

You know, it occurs to me that Smallville has been shot on high-grade film stock, and in widescreen...

Wouldn't it be possible for a SV film to use footage from the TV series, perhaps as a sort of "montage" recapping key events from the show?

Imagine that... a Superman film where you actually see the lead character visibly age from teenager to adult, and unlike the use of Jeff East and Chris Reeve it's actually the same actor all the way through.

Desk!

You've been mighty scarce around these parts, nice to see ya!

I think that's a great idea, even if they only used footage from the show in a montage to show the origin... :D

It'd save some money anyway, so what's not to love about it?

;)

[triplet]

Gets a probationary ban? :confused: :)

*snort*

:D

[AgentPat]

Doesn't matter when everyone else is coming out. I keep saying it but I actually am dead serious when those words are typed onto the page. Give SV a Spider-Man 1 like budget (139 mil), and the EXACT same group that has seen SR regardless of how much they may hate the film would come out to see it as well. The tracking data for SR is showing that it's playing heavily to Superman fans.

An SV film that makes SR money would be VERY profitable for WB.$139M? Holy sheeeitt!

... y'know, I think that's too much. Not that I wouldn't LOVE to see what they'd do with that kind of ridiculous coin, but it's not necessary, IMHO. I'd also rather see them spend $50-60M and clear $100-120M domestic, than risk a higher production budget and still make the same at the B.O. I'd rather them be innovative because they HAVE to be frugal (ala Centropolis' "Independence Day") than spend 2+ million dollars on a superfluous bank robbery scene that ends up losing its luster after being pimped the first time in one of the film's trailers. I think Warners would want to look back at a potential SV film and tout its success verses have to spin the numbers for the press. Go small budget (relatively) at first so the R.O.I. can be impressive, and then up the anti for a sequel if the first film does well.

[TKodami]

Even if they went that route I'm sure they'd do everything humanly possible to stretch out SV to 7 seasons without having the ratings slide. They'd need buffer time between SR and an SV feature -- Summer 2009 anyone?

At this point, I'd rather have them scrap SV 7th season and give us an SV mini-series bridging the SV and metropolis years. Why--best of all worlds. A mini-series could run only 4-6 episodes but with an insanely high budget comparatively. Explosions, great production values, FLIGHT! The FOTW factor would be scaled down since a mini-series only focuses on the core, core mythos stuff.

I do love movies...but I love television even more. And I've never met a 2-hour or even 3-hour movie that's given me enough. I think "Commencement" is exemplary of this kind of movie-like production values combined with the strengths of television. My SV dream project would be Commencement x 6. :D:up:

Edit: Another great example of this would be the Dune mini-series (http://imdb.com/title/tt0142032/) that Sci-Fi aired several years ago. Great production values. So much better than the Dune movie, and it clocks in at a respectable 265 minutes long.

Last Edit: I was rifling through my Smallville folder, and I came across this picture. Probably even found it earlier in this thread! But I couldn't help myself from posting it again...


http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8074/vessel17bi.jpg

When I see this picture, I see Superman. :supes:

[AgentPat]

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8074/vessel17bi.jpg

When I see this picture, I see Superman. :supes:You and me both, babe!


Oh, and btw... I-Net poll, anybody?
http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/gallery/our_hottie_picks?pg=26

Deja vu! There's an argument to be made in there, I know there is. :rolleyes:

When the puck are people gonna start noticing this stuff? :mad:

[Karea07]

what is this about Welling got fat?

[Serene]

what is this about Welling got fat?

Not "fat," but "phat."

I think it means he's even cooler than before. :)

[Bruce_Wayne29]

At this point, I'd rather have them scrap SV 7th season and give us an SV mini-series bridging the SV and metropolis years. Why--best of all worlds. A mini-series could run only 4-6 episodes but with an insanely high budget comparatively. Explosions, great production values, FLIGHT! The FOTW factor would be scaled down since a mini-series only focuses on the core, core mythos stuff.

I do love movies...but I love television even more. And I've never met a 2-hour or even 3-hour movie that's given me enough. I think "Commencement" is exemplary of this kind of movie-like production values combined with the strengths of television. My SV dream project would be Commencement x 6. :D:up:


http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8074/vessel17bi.jpg

When I see this picture, I see Superman. :supes:

I hear you. One of the options to go (especially if the Feature division decides to continue on the maroon express) would really be an HBO mini-series. They are owned by Warner and they have great production values.
I think they're season finales are like mini movies and the effects are movie style effects now more than ever. If they can do that with around 4 million, what they couldn't do with a 100 million budget for a theatrical movie. Hell even with a mini series with a lesser budget !
I saw Vessel after I saw the movie and now more than ever not only Tom IS Superman to me but also SV's cast is now the definitive to me.

[TKodami]

I saw Vessel after I saw the movie and now more than ever not only Tom IS Superman to me but also SV's cast is now the definitive to me.
I can understand that feeling, though I don't quite share it. To me, there is no one definitive Superman cast, because I love both. And I'm greedy. I want to have both. Hehe. :D

Here here to the HBO mini-series idea, 'cept for the fact I don't get HBO. :p

Edit: !! Two birds with one stone! Infinite Crisis special! :D (yeah, I know, not a particularly new idea, but still...:D)

[MJZ]

Out of the list of directors you could reasonably get (barring the likes of Spielberg, Zemeckis, and Shyamalan), Bay would be the ideal choice. Thing is I believe he's never been into comics and adapting them, thus it'd be a hard sell, as evidenced by WB's failed attempts to court him over the years.

There's also the concern of how much of a Superman film it'd be, over a Michael Bay film. This is what's going on on Transformers.

Still, I'd love to see it.

[RakuMon]

I don't think Michael Bay would be an ideal choice for a Smallville movie. His stye's too distinct. I think someone who could adapt to what makes the show work -- but also has a cinematic vision -- would be the most ideal.

I mean Greg Beeman's done movies in the past. (They weren't particularly good ones ;) but at least he knows how to direct and light the actors!)

[The Incredible Hulk]

Bay is too substance over style and is usually never cheap. I'd rather get like a Robert Rodriguez type guy that can do a lot with a smaller budgeted film.

[AgentPat]

I don't think Michael Bay would be an ideal choice for a Smallville movie. His style's too distinct. I think someone who could adapt to what makes the show work -- but also has a cinematic vision -- would be the most ideal.

I mean Greg Beeman's done movies in the past. (They weren't particularly good ones ;) but at least he knows how to direct and light the actors!)Heheheh... well, I'd argue those are some of the things Bay is actually known for. The way he uses natural lighting, particularly the "sweet hour," to elicit a very sunny, Americana-type mood, is practically the epitome of Superman. He knows how to make you care for the characters, and he's an expert at visual spectacle. He keeps the camera moving to maintain pace during slower scenes, and his frenetic, no-holds-barred editing style has defined the look of today's action-oriented films. Only "down" side is the fact that Bay works *very* quick, so he has no time to coddle inexperienced actors. Luckily, the SV cast know their characters inside and out, and they're used to pounding out scenes under pressure.

Are there better directors out there? Absolutely. I'd take Spielberg or Zemeckis in a cocaine heartbeat. But there's not a shred of doubt in my mind that Bay could deliver a Superman film that would rock the house down. :D :up:

[AgentPat]

Oh... and PS... Bay LOVES full-frame close-ups on faces, which is a SV tradition. :D

Uhkay, I'm done pimping Michael Bay. I realize he can be an acquired taste ;)

Any other suggestions?

[Kaboom]

^^^ cuz when Supe's rocks the house, he rocks it all the way down!

[Kaboom]

o gee i don't know, maybe a lil guy i like to call Gore Verbinski?

[AgentPat]

o gee i don't know, maybe a lil guy i like to call Gore Verbinski?http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/dance.gif

When can he start? ;)

[RakuMon]

Bay is too substance over style and is usually never cheap. I'd rather get like a Robert Rodriguez type guy that can do a lot with a smaller budgeted film.
I think you meant style over substance.

o gee i don't know, maybe a lil guy i like to call Gore Verbinski?

Oh an excellent choice! While we're at it, how about Alfonso Cuaron, Luc Besson, or Paul Greengrass?

[Kaboom]

cuaron did a heck of a job on harry potter, but thats the only film ive seen of his
greengrass has good action but may be a little to dark and introverted...
besson though? the transporter has great stylized action violence and a lot of ha! funny moments! i think hes the best choice of the three

[TKodami]

I <3 Luc Besson.

However, for an SV movie, what's wrong with using the current production / direction team? I'd take Beeman or Marshall over any of these other directors because they have familiarity with the actors.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

However, for an SV movie, what's wrong with using the current production / direction team? I'd take Beeman or Marshall over any of these other directors because they have familiarity with the actors.

Yeah I was kind of thinking the same thing. Even Miles could do it. The problem is that they may not be well versed in movie making (and more on tv productions which have a slightly different type of visual language).
But one thing we have to admit, SV's season premieres and finales have a mini movie kind of feel more than ever. These guys would know the right balance between character driven story and kick ass action.

[AgentPat]

I <3 Luc Besson.

However, for an SV movie, what's wrong with using the current production / direction team? I'd take Beeman or Marshall over any of these other directors because they have familiarity with the actors.For a TV movie (90 minutes plus commercials), sure! In fact, I'd WANT Marshall or Beeman to do that. But for a major motion picture, with a $100M dollar budget? Gosh! Break out the big guns and do it "right." Having a well known director on a feature that size also brings with it more clout among audiences, not to mention studio reassurance. Not that Marshall or Beeman are incapable, but Beeman's ONLY experience has been in television, and Marshall's last stint on a film set was as a second assistant director twelve years ago.

A nice compromise would be to bring either or both on as second units or assistant directors. That would work in everybody's favor.

[RakuMon]

For a TV movie (90 minutes plus commercials), sure! In fact, I'd WANT Marshall or Beeman to do that. But for a major motion picture, with a $100M dollar budget? Gosh! Break out the big guns and do it "right." Having a well known director on a feature that size also brings with it more clout among audiences, not to mention studio reassurance. Not that Marshall or Beeman are incapable, but Beeman's ONLY experience has been in television, and Marshall's last stint on a film set was as a second assistant director twelve years ago.

A nice compromise would be to bring either or both on as second units or assistant directors. That would work in everybody's favor.
Not entirely true. Like I stated in an earlier post, Beeman's done some forgettable movies in the past (mainly 80s comedies like the Haim/Feldman...er... vehicle License to Drive).

What about David Nutter?

While he's primarily a TV director (he did the SV pilot after all), he's one of the more respected in the industry. He's helmed some critically acclaimed shows that have a real cinematic feel (Sopranos, Nip/Tuck, Entourage, West Wing, Band of Brothers, etc.) and he's helmed movies in the past (most notably, the James Marsden/Katie Holmes starrer 'Disturbing Behavior.')

[TKodami]

For a TV movie (90 minutes plus commercials), sure! In fact, I'd WANT Marshall or Beeman to do that. But for a major motion picture, with a $100M dollar budget? Gosh! Break out the big guns and do it right. Having a well known director on a feature that size also brings with it more clout among audiences, not to mention studio reassurance. Not that Marshall or Beeman are incapable, but Beeman's ONLY experience has been in television, and Marshall's last stint on a film set was as a second assistant director twelve years ago.

I definitely understand the impetus to get a big-name director as it were for that big-picture feel. I know we're just throwing out hypotheticals--and to me, for a theatrical release I think the "Superman" or "Smallville" name is enough to attract initial audiences. From there, the quality of the film would (hopefully) sell itself.


Every time we talk about a 90-minute Smallville tv event, I get giddy. I so, so look forward to another one. :O

A nice compromise would be to bring either or both on as second units or assistant directors. That would work in everybody's favor.

Or better yet, as producers or executive producers, who, depending on the name and position, have a lot to say about the final look & feel of a film.

[KikiDee]

Yeah I was kind of thinking the same thing. Even Miles could do it. The problem is that they may not be well versed in movie making (and more on tv productions which have a slightly different type of visual language).
But one thing we have to admit, SV's season premieres and finales have a mini movie kind of feel more than ever. These guys would know the right balance between character driven story and kick ass action.

Well A&M did actually help write Spiderman2 so I think they'd be okay on the film front, but how about Sam Raimi or is he not anyone's cup of tea?

[Brainiac 8]

Yea, well like you said, Spiderman 2 is proof that they can write good movies, because that movie was just awsome.

I think that any episode they write is usually top notch. I wish they would write more episodes, maybe with Aquabro sunk, they will start writing more for the show.:up:

[NHawk19]

I'd give Raimi a shot.

[Brainiac 8]

I'd give Raimi a shot.

Me too, he's a good director, plus he gives a flyin flip about the character he's working with.

Proof, look how good the Spiderman trilogy is working out, and part 3 doesn't look like it's going to dissapoint either.:up:

Plus his evil dead series was just a gut buster.:D

[Bruce_Wayne29]

There's a Tom Welling vs BR poll (who's made more impact in the role with this generation) at Super-World for those of you interested in voting.

[RakuMon]

Found at Fenway!: “Lost ” hubba-hubba hubby Daniel Dae Kim landed at Fenway Park last night to throw out the first pitch before the Sox-A’s game. Kim ’s peeps had called the Sox asking for a tour of the old ballyard but Kim's cult-celeb status wasn't Lost on the show's fans in the Sox front office. So they quickly hatched a plan to throw Jin Kwon’s alter ego first-pitch honors. (Matt Stone)From the current ish of Wizard, in an interview with BR:

And the costume helps, right? (in reference to finding his "inner" Superman)
Oh, certainly. It means everything. To think that I could be Superman in jeans and a t-shirt, even I don't believe it as much...

Wow, even he doesn't buy himself as Superman?

Now, I wonder... Who could possibly embody Superman in nothing more than "jeans and a t-shirt?"

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/smallville/season2-08-arms.jpg
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/smallville/s4-clark4.jpg

[RakuMon]

Whoa! Anyone ever seen this?
When looking for pics of Tom for the above post, I stumbled across this one:
http://www.smallville-hero.com/gallery/promo/s4/SM-TWelling-L_2x3.jpg
http://www.smallville-hero.com/gallery/promo/s4/SM-TWelling-L_2x3.jpg

I've never seen that one before. It's obviously a different angle from the Season 4 promo image.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/smallville/crusade6.jpg

[Serene]

^ That's been around. But it is a particularly looovely shot.

[KalKai]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4923/twwbpromos9pa.jpg

Sadly, this is all there is, no high-res images of those last few flying images and of some others.

[AgentPat]

*cough*


Daily Variety
7/16/06

Pirates' recent plunder
'24,' 'Family Guy,' 'Smallville' popular Torrent targets
By BEN FRITZ

There's no summer hiatus for piracy, where "Lost" continues to dominate the list of TV and movie properties that online downloaders are looking for.

Per the latest data from BitTorrent, the company behind the popular piracy software, TV shows that are a big draw for younger auds, like "Lost," "24," "Family Guy" and "Smallville," are the only constants in the top searches by Netizens looking for illegal downloads, along with the apparently timeless "Star Wars."

Rest of the list is full of recent hit movies, which tend to fade from the piracy charts as fast as they do from theaters.

Search party

Movie and TV searches on BitTorrent.com, June 12 - July 12. Number in parentheses is title's ranking the previous month.

1. Lost (1)
2. Cars (N/A)
3. Pirates of the Caribbean 2 (N/A)
4. Superman Returns (N/A)
5. Tokyo Drift (N/A)
6. Click (N/A)
7. Star Wars (12)
8. Da Vinci Code (5)
9. 24 (6)
10. Smallville (9)

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117946846


My point? Interest is still there EVEN during the summer. If you build it, they will come. :D

I gotta start bookmarking this stuff, 'cause finding posts three months later - as is usually the need when the topic comes up - is always a pain in the arse. :(

[retconned]

Tom Welling has much better emotional range as an actor right now than Brandon Routh, there is a reason Tom beat out Brandon to be on Smallville.

Not to mention Tom looks like he could beat the sh#t out of Brandon Routh.

[Kaboom]

find terrence mann

[FanboyX_Returns]

Awesome post. I did get on a bit of an argument (though a civilizaded one) with another poster on the dc comics movie board) about this same thing and I find it funny how he thinks that Tom in that movie wouldn't have made more box-office because the smallville fans saw the movie anyway...lol (like the SV fans could be measured up for a message board or two - I have alot of friends who either don't follow the show or don't like it and they wanted Tom to play the role in a movie).
And just from a business standpoint would you be more confortable putting a 250 million movie on the back of someone the vast majority of the public already saw as Superman or with an unknown. The answer to that question is obvious and only a blind person would think that wouldn´t reflect on box office.


Its this simple... Dan Harris, and Bryan Singer both admited to this... Tom Welling is this generations Superman.
Back in the 70's-80's it was Chris Reeve, and in the 90's to a less extent it was Dean Cain.
But now this Generations Superman is TOM WELLING!
This movie failed for the simple reason that they made a movie WITHOUT SUPERMAN!
How can you make a Superman movie this generation, and not give this generation Their SUPERMAN, and expect the movie to be a big hit...
I also know alot of people who dont watch the show, and they were pissed when Tom was passed on the role... Why?
Because he simply has become Superman/Clark Kent to this gen, and his Clark is now the standard on how the character should be played.

Like how Chris was in the 70's-80's...

[FanboyX_Returns]

Tom Welling has much better emotional range as an actor right now than Brandon Routh, there is a reason Tom beat out Brandon to be on Smallville.

Not to mention Tom looks like he could beat the sh#t out of Brandon Routh.

That's not saying much! LOL My little 8 year old nephew looks like he could kick the hell out of Brandon!

[Spider-Gamer]

That's not saying much! LOL My little 8 year old nephew looks like he could kick the hell out of Brandon!
Ouch! :o

[AgentPat]

Umm... errr... uhh... http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/nervous.gif

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2003135554_smallville19.html



http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/greatjob.png Whoever you are.

[Whiteflag]

Thanks, AgentPat!

I love the article. She's so right about Tom and about Clark!

[The Caped Knight]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2003135554_smallville19.html





:o she doesn't know a damn thing . If she think's Smallville is better. She doesn't know a damn thing about SUPERMAN, not a damn thing .

[KalKai]

Uh if you think SR is better, you don't know a damn thing about Superman, not a damn thing. See how easy it is? lol.

[Brainiac 8]

Tom Welling has much better emotional range as an actor right now than Brandon Routh, there is a reason Tom beat out Brandon to be on Smallville.

Not to mention Tom looks like he could beat the sh#t out of Brandon Routh.

:up: :D
Please you need to stay around. I enjoy your posts.

[The Caped Knight]

Uh if you think SR is better, you don't know a damn thing about Superman, not a damn thing. See how easy it is? lol.

I'm not saying SR didn't have it's own faults . Because it did. However Routh is 10 x 10 more better than Welling . Welling Clark is still an ******* who's got the mind of a 2 year old. He still hasn't grown up . He still acts like a damn imature teenager .

[Brainiac 8]

I'm not saying SR didn't have it's own faults . Because it did. However Routh is 10 x 10 more better than Welling . Welling Clark is still an ******* who's got the mind of a 2 year old. He still hasn't grown up . He still acts like a damn imature teenager .


:rolleyes: That is stretching a bit, isn't Kal?

Did Tom fault you at some point? You don't have to like his portrayal, but he is nowhere that bad. I guess you like Supermen who don't speak much.:O

[The Caped Knight]

:rolleyes: That is stretching a bit, isn't Kal?

Did Tom fault you at some point? You don't have to like his portrayal, but he is nowhere that bad. I guess you like Supermen who don't speak much.:O

I know it's not tom fault, I don't blame Welling. I blame The writters . And yes The portrayal of Clark Kent is Damn awful in smallville. That I could never see this guy becoming THE MAN OF STEEL .

And Routh as SUPERMAN did do alot of talking , so I don't know what the hell your talking about. Plus you have to understand, this Superman came back to a change world , where they really didn't need a SUPERMAN . And where The love of his life had appeared to have move on . Which threw him of track, but by the end of the movie, SUPERMAN had found a way to return to both Lois & world that had moved on without him .

I'm sure in the sequel, Well see the iconic SUPERMAN .

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm not saying SR didn't have it's own faults . Because it did. However Routh is 10 x 10 more better than Welling . Welling Clark is still an ******* who's got the mind of a 2 year old. He still hasn't grown up . He still acts like a damn imature teenager .

anyone else notice the irony in him saying Routh is better than Welling but then listing traits of their characters?

Not that the movie version doesnt act like an idiot by blowing town for 5 years and then stalking his old girlfriend. So your argument fails miserably in that respect as well. Just not your month I guess.....

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm sure in the sequel, Well see the iconic SUPERMAN .

in what 20 years, when the Wb gets up the gajones to do another Superman film after this current one's miserable box office performance?

[The Caped Knight]

anyone else notice the irony in him saying Routh is better than Welling but then listing traits of their characters?

Not that the movie version doesnt act like an idiot by blowing town for 5 years and then stalking his old girlfriend. So your argument fails miserably in that respect as well. Just not your month I guess.....

Hey keep in mind you Big Green giant ... I wasn't a fan of Routh in the beginining taken up the mantel . And for a short time i to wanted Welling to be Superman in the live action movie . {but that was during Season 4} After watching Season 5, my opinion of Welling as Kent changed after 5 years he still hasn't change .

Kal-EL left to see if their was anyone else like him, It's not easy for him being an alien . When he heard that scienetist may have discovered that Krypton was still around. He had to see if it was true . Altought the movie doesn't say it . His cousin Kara Zor-EL is still alive, had he search the area where The huge Kryptonite meteor was. He would've found her . - It says so in the novel.

And for Lois, You forget she wasn't just his girlfriend. She the love of his life . he had no idea who this richard guy was. So of course you can exspect him to check to see if Lois is alright. And if Richard is a good guy. Not to mention Jimmy put the idea in clark's head that Lois was still very much in love with SUPERMAN .He had to be sure.. And in the end Jimmy was right . Lois was still very much in love with Superman. And finding out Jason is his son, gave Clark great joy to find out he's not alone anymore .

[Brainiac 8]

in what 20 years, when the Wb gets up the gajones to do another Superman film after this current one's miserable box office performance?

I'm actually hoping it does well enough to get a sequal, so they can fix some of the bad things in SR. So it's more than an updated re-hash of the Donner film.:O

[The Caped Knight]

in what 20 years, when the Wb gets up the gajones to do another Superman film after this current one's miserable box office performance?

Hey IH , The Summer isn't over yet SR still has a chance to make 200 before the end of the summer. As for performance SR is doing pretty well Worldwide

[Brainiac 8]

Kal, come on man, you don't need to stoop to calling anyone an idiot, that's uncalled for.:o

We are having a small disagreement, but we don't need to resort to that.

[The Caped Knight]

Kal, come on man, you don't need to stoop to calling anyone an idiot, that's uncalled for.:o

We are having a small disagreement, but we don't need to resort to that.

I'm sorry I'm just so damn Frustrated, I'm just really Frustrated :mad:

[AgentPat]

:o she doesn't know a damn thing . If she thinks Smallville is better. She doesn't know a damn thing about SUPERMAN, not a damn thing .Hey, nobody said you had to agree with the writer. As a character that's changed and evolved over the past 70 some odd years, there's a lot to "know" about Superman. But given the fact that each version is just a piece of fictional entertainment, I only need to "know" one thing: which one moves me the most?

Hmm.... Lemme think now. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ponder.gif





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[thinking]






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[still thinking]







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[getting easier]






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Jeeze! No brainer. Tom, by a landslide! :p

I'm sorry, but story and looks only go so far. If an actor can't spark the proper emotion required in a scene, he needs to find a different career. Tom has that ability (for me) in spades. Don't fix it; it aint broke!

[Brainiac 8]

I'm sorry I'm just so damn Frustrated, I'm just really Frustrated :mad:

Kal I understand that.

But we need to learn how to disagree here without the name calling.
We don't have to all agree about everything to have a good conversation.

I liked the movie, not loved, but liked. I love Smallville and it's characters and it's stories, and how they are re-telling it. The actors move me and I care about how they are portreyed.

It doesn't mean that you have to agree with me, but we can still converse as adults without that kind of silliness. I enjoy talking to you, and don't want to be turned off because you let yourself get frustrated at the conversation like that.:)

[The Caped Knight]

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/2/1/9/routh5.jpg
SUPERMAN

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns4/superman11.jpg
SUPERMAN

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns6/flying1.jpg
SUPERMAN


http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5750/guide43mw9ne.jpg
SUPERMAN

ROUTH by a landsilde, He look's like Sups, his voice sounds like Sups & he acts like Sups .

[The Caped Knight]

Kal I understand that.

But we need to learn how to disagree here without the name calling.
We don't have to all agree about everything to have a good conversation.

I liked the movie, not loved, but liked. I love Smallville and it's characters and it's stories, and how they are re-telling it. The actors move me and I care about how they are portreyed.

It doesn't mean that you have to agree with me, but we can still converse as adults without that kind of silliness. I enjoy talking to you, and don't want to be turned off because you let yourself get frustrated at the conversation like that.:)


Your right. I'm sorry I won't let my angry get The Best of me.

It's just I really care about SUPERMAN, and I don't see smallville giving the justice Clark, Lois, & Lex deserve.

The stories they come up with aren't well thought out . They need to bring The BIG Important BIG THREE full circle to their place in the overall story .

[Brainiac 8]

Your right. I'm sorry I won't let my angry get The Best of me.

It's just I really care about SUPERMAN, and I don't see smallville giving the justice Clark, Lois, & Lex deserve.

The stories they come up with aren't well thought out . They need to bring The BIG Important BIG THREE full circle to their place in the overall story .

Good, glad to hear it. *Handshake*:up:

Not every decision they have made for the show I've liked, and I've voiced my opinion on those things. But the overall story and character of the show has been great and I've loved every minute of it. Even the episodes I hate have a couple things in them that I really enjoy. Go fig...:) :up:

[KalKai]

That's just an actor in a Superman suit, you see Superman, I don't, and you still haven't learned yet apparently, you can't post SR/Routh pics in here.

[Silver Lad]

Kal. Don't post those here. Theres already a Brandon VS Welling thread somewhere I think.

[Zing79]

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/2/1/9/routh5.jpg
SUPERMAN

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns4/superman11.jpg
SUPERMAN

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns6/flying1.jpg
SUPERMAN

ROUTH by a landsilde, He look's like Sups, his voice sounds like Sups & he acts like Sups .
LOL
You just posted 3 pictures with Routh doing basically the same face. DESPITE the fact Routh should be emoting 3 different feelings in each picture, he's doing basically the same face.

Man, you're such a Routhie you see things that aren't there. You need to go recruit someone over in the SR board (like say Pickle) who shares your sentiments but can at least make an argument that makes sense to a Wellingite.

[Pickle-El]

LOL
You just posted 3 pictures with Routh doing basically the same face. DESPITE the fact Routh should be emoting 3 different feelings in each picture, he's doing basically the same face.

Man, you're such a Routhie you see things that aren't there. You need to go recruit someone over in the SR board (like say Pickle) who shares your sentiments but can at least make an argument that makes sense to a Wellingite.


I'm busy.

[TKodami]

Man, you're such a Routhie you see things that aren't there. You need to go recruit someone over in the SR board (like say Pickle) who shares your sentiments but can at least make an argument that makes sense to a Wellingite.

Eh...I don't want to argue either. Frankly though, I don't even know what we're arguing about exactly. You like TW, I like both.

[Zing79]

I'm busy.
Well without you he's screwed. No pressure :)

[MJZ]

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/2/1/9/routh5.jpg
SUPERMAN

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns4/superman11.jpg
SUPERMAN

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns6/flying1.jpg
SUPERMAN


http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5750/guide43mw9ne.jpg
SUPERMAN

ROUTH by a landsilde, He look's like Sups, his voice sounds like Sups & he acts like Sups .

Looks like a kid playing dress-up at Comic-Con.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Its this simple... Dan Harris, and Bryan Singer both admited to this... Tom Welling is this generations Superman.
Back in the 70's-80's it was Chris Reeve, and in the 90's to a less extent it was Dean Cain.
But now this Generations Superman is TOM WELLING!
This movie failed for the simple reason that they made a movie WITHOUT SUPERMAN!
How can you make a Superman movie this generation, and not give this generation Their SUPERMAN, and expect the movie to be a big hit...
I also know alot of people who dont watch the show, and they were pissed when Tom was passed on the role... Why?
Because he simply has become Superman/Clark Kent to this gen, and his Clark is now the standard on how the character should be played.

Like how Chris was in the 70's-80's...

You cut right to the chase. Another awesome post. Now if we could get someone at Warner to read it (if they already hadn't...lol) ...

[Pickle-El]

You cut right to the chase. Another awesome post. Now if we could get someone at Warner to read it (if they already hadn't...lol) ...

I'm guessing you don't know the history of FanboyXTreme? One of the biggest trolls the hype has ever seen.....I'm surprised he came back after that banning. :o

[Kaboom]

i still dont get the fighting. some prefer welling. welling either did not want or was not offered the role in SR. Routh took the role. obviously some prefer routh. the movie performed as it did (i am deliberatelly not saying it performed well or poorly as that seem sopen to interpretation). why cant we all just see this as two actors playing the same character in different mediums and never between shall meet? or why cant it be reconciled that its a portrayal at different points in their lives.
more importnalty why must me fight over who did better when its so subjective anyway?
i feel at this point its become an ego thing for the individual poster, who feels compelled to continuing harping on the subject until we all agree with him/her. obviously thats not happeneing, so why can't we all agree just to diagree.

if their was an icon of somsone pulling their hair out thats what i would put here.

[Silver Lad]

His so-called information about Dan Harris and Bryan Singer openly saying that Welling is this generation's Superman is actually false.
There was no such statement made.

They have mentioned who they think is this generation's Superman in several interviews, but it wasnt TW.

He could have at least cited a source to prove it wasnt bull****

[Silver Lad]

i still dont get the fighting. some prefer welling. welling either did not want or was not offered the role in SR. Routh took the role. obviously some prefer routh. the movie performed as it did (i am deliberatelly not saying it performed well or poorly as that seem sopen to interpretation). why cant we all just see this as two actors playing the same character in different mediums and never between shall meet? or why cant it be reconciled that its a portrayal at different points in their lives.
more importnalty why must me fight over who did better when its so subjective anyway?
i feel at this point its become an ego thing for the individual poster, who feels compelled to continuing harping on the subject until we all agree with him/her. obviously thats not happeneing, so why can't we all agree just to diagree.

if their was an icon of somsone pulling their hair out thats what i would put here.



Its easy enough to like both for the different roles they play. Brandon was the perfect classic Golden/Silver age Superman in a modern interpretation of the classic stuff.

Welling will one day wear the suit and become more of the Bryne Era Postcrisis-esque 90s Superman mixed with an Ultimates-like feel to it and we will be able to gauge him fully then.

Their interpretations are different enough to cater to fans who like different interpretations of the characters. Some prefer the 90s Superman, others prefer the classic . . . but in this scenario, the fans can be treated to both.

I think its very good.

[Kaboom]

His so-called information about Dan Harris and Bryan Singer openly saying that Welling is this generation's Superman is actually false.
There was no such statement made.

They have mentioned who they think is this generation's Superman in several interviews, but it wasnt TW.

He could have at least cited a source to prove it wasnt bull****

im not looking to advance the debate and i could give a "rodent's hindquarters" who said what, when, why, and how, regardless of whether it was quoted misquoted or not quoted at all.
Person A like Routh.
Person B likes Welling.
Great. Wonderful.

Its like fighting over BK fries and McD's fries. Theyre both fries! but some like one more than the other, but guaranteed regardless of how much I like Bk's i am not going to convince you theyre better than McDs if you like McDs. so why bother trying?!?!?!?!

[Silver Lad]

im not looking to advance the debate and i could give a "rodent's hindquarters" who said what, when, why, and how, regardless of whether it was quoted misquoted or not quoted at all.
Person A like Routh.
Person B likes Welling.
Great. Wonderful.

Its like fighting over BK fries and McD's fries. Theyre both fries! but some like one more than the other, but guaranteed regardless of how much I like Bk's i am not going to convince you theyre better than McDs if you like McDs. so why bother trying?!?!?!?!

Hey I wasnt trying to advance the debate. Just mention he was citing false information. No such statement was made and I've followed the interviews closely.

[Brainiac 8]

i still dont get the fighting. some prefer welling. welling either did not want or was not offered the role in SR. Routh took the role. obviously some prefer routh. the movie performed as it did (i am deliberatelly not saying it performed well or poorly as that seem sopen to interpretation). why cant we all just see this as two actors playing the same character in different mediums and never between shall meet? or why cant it be reconciled that its a portrayal at different points in their lives.
more importnalty why must me fight over who did better when its so subjective anyway?
i feel at this point its become an ego thing for the individual poster, who feels compelled to continuing harping on the subject until we all agree with him/her. obviously thats not happeneing, so why can't we all agree just to diagree.

if their was an icon of somsone pulling their hair out thats what i would put here.


Couldn't have said it better myself.:up:

Stop the fighting, Hakuna Matata: it means no worries.:D

[Kaboom]

Couldn't have said it better myself.:up:

Stop the fighting, Hakuna Matata: it means no worries.:D

for the rest of our days...its our problem-free...philosophy.....

[RakuMon]

im not looking to advance the debate and i could give a "rodent's hindquarters" who said what, when, why, and how, regardless of whether it was quoted misquoted or not quoted at all.
Person A like Routh.
Person B likes Welling.
Great. Wonderful.

Its like fighting over BK fries and McD's fries. Theyre both fries! but some like one more than the other, but guaranteed regardless of how much I like Bk's i am not going to convince you theyre better than McDs if you like McDs. so why bother trying?!?!?!?!
I prefer BK's fries. McDonalds bastardizes the legacy of potato frying!!! :down :mad: :supes:

[Brainiac 8]

I prefer BK's fries. McDonalds bastardizes the legacy of potato frying!!! :down :mad: :supes:

The problem with McDonald's fries are if you don't eat them within three minutes, they become one big clump of starch.:eek: :(

If you ever watched "Supersize Me" you would never eat fastfood again.:eek:

[The Incredible Hulk]

yeah you might as well just avoid eating the actually McD's food and just shoot up with a syringe full of fryer grease, it's about the equivelant impact on your body....

[Kaboom]

i usually stick to wendys....or taco bell...

[AgentPat]

What I don't understand is why any of this discussion is seen as fighting? It's OKAY to have preferences in your entertainment and to express it. Fighting is when one person calls another person a moron for having a different opinion. But that's not happening here (yet.) What IS happening shouldn't be, however, and that's posting pictures of RUFUS in a TW thread. CUPCAKE doesn't belong here. Take his interloper self to the SR forums or the demilitarized zone. I got probation for merely posting SV Clark QUOTES in a thread for general Superman quotes in the SR forums. Hello?

If you like TW as Superman, cool. If you hate him as Superman, that's okay too. Speak up. That's what this thread is for. It's NOT for posting images of Brandon freakin' Routh though. Take that schitt out of here. Please?

[thebigtree95]

If you like TW as Superman, cool. If you hate him as Superman, that's okay too. Speak up. That's what this thread is for. It's NOT for posting images of Brandon freakin' Routh though. Take that schitt out of here. Please?

Nice sentiment. Agreed 100%.

[Serene]

They need to bring The BIG Important BIG THREE full circle to their place in the overall story .

I know this is just poking the hive.. but..

As a fan of this particular incarnation and telling of the tale, it's safe to say that my idea of the BIG THREE is not exactly the same as K8's. In fact, it's probably off by about a third. :D

My preference, is for the show to end up with the indicators strongly set for who the BIG THREE of the future will be. But right here, right now.. I love THIS show - "Smallville."

One day, perhaps they'll have a show/movie called "Metropolis" with the appropriate BIG THREE for that incarnation - I'm sure I'd love that too.

ETA:
*looks at title of thread*
*sees pictures that clearly have nothing to do with Tom*
*snarls* :mad:

[triplet]

if their was an icon of somsone pulling their hair out thats what i would put here.

How about this one?

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/banghead.gif

;)

[LL2K2]

i still dont get the fighting. some prefer welling. welling either did not want or was not offered the role in SR. Routh took the role. obviously some prefer routh. the movie performed as it did (i am deliberatelly not saying it performed well or poorly as that seem sopen to interpretation). why cant we all just see this as two actors playing the same character in different mediums and never between shall meet? or why cant it be reconciled that its a portrayal at different points in their lives.
more importnalty why must me fight over who did better when its so subjective anyway?
i feel at this point its become an ego thing for the individual poster, who feels compelled to continuing harping on the subject until we all agree with him/her. obviously thats not happeneing, so why can't we all agree just to diagree.

if their was an icon of somsone pulling their hair out thats what i would put here.

I always thought the phrase was "Never the twain shall meet." Is it just me?

Other than that, well stated, Kaboom. *points to sig*

[Brainiac 8]

I know this is just poking the hive.. but..

As a fan of this particular incarnation and telling of the tale, it's safe to say that my idea of the BIG THREE is not exactly the same as K8's. In fact, it's probably off by about a third. :D

My preference, is for the show to end up with the indicators strongly set for who the BIG THREE of the future will be. But right here, right now.. I love THIS show - "Smallville."

One day, perhaps they'll have a show/movie called "Metropolis" with the appropriate BIG THREE for that incarnation - I'm sure I'd love that too.

ETA:
*looks at title of thread*
*sees pictures that clearly have nothing to do with Tom*
*snarls* :mad:

I actually agree with you completely here. As is the way this incarnation...this reality goes....the big three doesn't even involve Lois yet. At this stage Lana is for better or worse one point of the triad.

I don't mind this though. Clark needs to be dragged through the trials and tribulations of the heart to grow and learn. All that him and Lana have gone through these past five seasons will only...in the end...make them closer friends and give them a stronger bond, because they will have gone through hell and back together. When you have survived the worst with somebody, it will serve to strengthen that bond of friendship.

Look at me getting all sappy.:O

[Silver Lad]

Well technically, it should only be a big two right now. Lana is usually out of Clark's life at this point and Lois hasnt become a real part of it yet. Hopefully that reflects on the series soon, its the only way for Clark to truely move on.

[Hack and Slash]

Well technically, it should only be a big two right now. Lana is usually out of Clark's life at this point and Lois hasnt become a real part of it yet. Hopefully that reflects on the series soon, its the only way for Clark to truely move on. yup, in the end clark will be together with lois and maybe become superman :supes:

[AgentPat]

I'm guessing you don't know the history of FanboyXTreme? One of the biggest trolls the hype has ever seen.....I'm surprised he came back after that banning. :oMeh. Welcome to the Hype Pickle, a place where "troll" has a pretty loose definition. The person to whom you refer is NOTHING compared to a hateful troll with at LEAST 20 user names, has been banned repeatedly, is back again, and the Hype keeps turning a blind eye to him. Why? I haven't a clue.

[Brainiac 8]

Meh. Welcome to the Hype Pickle, a place where "troll" has a pretty loose definition. The person to whom you refer is NOTHING compared to a hateful troll with at LEAST 20 user names, has been banned repeatedly, is back again, and the Hype keeps turning a blind eye to him. Why? I haven't a clue.

Someone that for some reason seems to hate everyone here but still keeps coming around to talk under different alias'.:rolleyes:

[AgentPat]

Someone that for some reason seems to hate everyone here but still keeps coming around to talk under different alias'.:rolleyes:http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/shrug.gif

As I've said before, IP checks are your friend.

[BaK]

Umm... errr... uhh... http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/nervous.gif

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2003135554_smallville19.html



http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/greatjob.png Whoever you are. Good stuff..

The thing about secret and what it means to live with it..


3. Clark's inner turmoil. Clark has this HUGE secret that he is trying to hide from the world (having superpowers and all), and it's absolutely agonizing watching him hide it from the ones he loves — just because he's trying to protect them. But we can all relate to Clark. Each and every one of us has a secret that we don't want others to know, that we're afraid if someone found out it might change how they see us. Seeing this played out in "Smallville" absolutely makes your heart go out to Clark.


In the movie, there is like one line about it ! ("It's hard for me.." etc..)

Compared to 5 years of actuall seeing how hard it is - on the show, it makes
it almost an laughable attempt at "explaining" it to the movie viewer..
And I do not blame it on the movie, but on the context of the story, one that just
seems to asume that viewer already walked a thousand miles in Clark's shoes..

That is the "core" of the superman myth - or at least the most interesting
part of it, imo, so no, - not even CR's movies come close to the depths
and the "real stuff" supes is made of, destined to become, and at the same time,
is already there in a brand, new, upgraded way.. (no tights) :)

[Brainiac 8]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/shrug.gif

As I've said before, IP checks are your friend.

:up: Right you are Pat!:O

[AgentPat]

That's the beauty of a serialized television show; audiences can grow *with* the characters instead of just being told about them.

Take Clark's history with Lana, for example. My memory isn't as good as it used to be, but I don't recall there being much to their relationship beyond a puppy sort of love in the Reeve films - even *with* the diamond ring. But Clark's past with Lana in SV continuity is replete with great depth and emotion. A simple line of exposition such as, "it's not easy being me, keeping secrets" will have much more pathos when applied to Clark's personal angst being an "outsider." Sans a shared past with which the audience can associate, it's just an empty line of dialog without any meaning. I have no pity for characters that haven't demonstrated they're worthy to receive it. My first response in such a situation is to say who cares? Get over yourself. Grow up!

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I think the article goes right to the pont: the fact that ppl didn't "relate" to those characters or care too much about them. It's probably the biggest flaw in the movie. And the biggest strength of our show.

[KikiDee]

Okay, I know this doesn't specifically have to do with Tom, but I thought it was an interesting interview.


SHAWN ASHMORE OF SMALLVILLE

K: I heard a rumor about you!

S: Oh really? What’s that?

K: I heard a rumor this was happening, and now here you are to confirm that rumor. So one really great WB show, to another great CW show! How does that feel?

S: I feel really, really lucky to be…you know, like it doesn’t always happen like that, so I’m pretty stoked to be going from one great show to the next so--

K: Now, you are Chloe’s love interest. Is that right?

S: Uh, I believe I will be. Yeah.

K: What’s interesting about that is that there’ve been a lot of comparisons drawn between Veronica Mars and Chloe and that Veronica Mars may have been inspired somewhat by Chloe. So, you’re going for all the cute, blonde perky…

S: You know, it’s uh…somebody’s gotta do it. And I am more than willing so…uh, hey! What are you gonna do?

K: Now, I don’t know if you’ve heard this. But there is a fan faction that’s like die-hard… they want Chloe and Clark to get together and they take it very seriously. So do you have bodyguards?

S: Uh, not yet. I’m gonna worry about that when it happens. Hopefully, that’s not going to be an issue, but uh thank you for the warning because I wasn’t so sure.

K: Somebody’s gotta tell you! And I’m not gonna sugarcoat it. They’re gonna love you. But they’re gonna hate to love you because they want her with Clark.

S: Well, you know, I think she’s been pining over him for a long time. So, you know, yeah…we’ll see what happens. Hopefully, I’m not gonna get my butt kicked, but uh we’ll see.

K: So you’re moving to Vancouver for this.

S: I actually live in Toronto, Canada most of the time so I think I’m gonna be kind of be going back and forth. But yeah they shoot in Vancouver. I got lots of family out there so I’m actually really looking forward to spending some time.

K: And what can you tell us about your character?

S: Well, he’s uh basically… I mean Jimmy Olsen is kind of an iconic thing. You know, he’s been around for a long time – little bit of a spin on him, kind of a little bit more of a modern take, but still the same energy. You know, he’s a photographer, wants to be a photographer at the Daily Planet. And you know, he’s just got that really upbeat energy and stuff so uh…maybe a little intimidated by Clark, too, you know…not showing it, but maybe a little bit intimidated so…

K: Well, he is Superman. It’s kind of hard to not be intimidated you know what I’m saying?

S: He’s a big guy.

K: Well, congratulations. Are you a regular next season? Do you know?

S: Uhh, recurring right now so…

K: Do you know how many episodes you’re doing?

S: I think like 7 to 10, something like that.

K: Well congratulations

I love how Shawn says "He's a big guy" You just know he's not talking about the character. That seems to be the response by almost everyone who's worked with him.

[Silver Lad]

It would have meant more of Shawn said Tom was playing Superman and not Ksite.

The Chlarker questions are annoying. Poor guy.

Still, some good responses from Shawn to their silly questions. He sounds alright.

[Kal-El Reeve]

Its this simple... Dan Harris, and Bryan Singer both admited to this... Tom Welling is this generations Superman.
Back in the 70's-80's it was Chris Reeve, and in the 90's to a less extent it was Dean Cain.
But now this Generations Superman is TOM WELLING!
This movie failed for the simple reason that they made a movie WITHOUT SUPERMAN!
How can you make a Superman movie this generation, and not give this generation Their SUPERMAN, and expect the movie to be a big hit...
I also know alot of people who dont watch the show, and they were pissed when Tom was passed on the role... Why?
Because he simply has become Superman/Clark Kent to this gen, and his Clark is now the standard on how the character should be played.

Like how Chris was in the 70's-80's...

I am gonna say it like this: I am a SUPERMAN fan first and foremost. Not a Tom Welling fan, Christopher Reeve, Dean Cain, Brandon Routh, or anyone else who has taken up the mantle and has played the role over tha past 70 years.

Superman Returns is still making enough money where it will make the 200,000,000 million mark and there will more than likely be a sequel to that movie. Whether Smallville fans want it or not. Tom Welling will go on to have an acting career where he can distance himself from the character. While at the same time be first person since George Reeves to play the character for so long on television.

Smallville does take too many liberties with the mythos, but that is okay for the show because like Lois and Clark, Superboy, The Adventures of Superman, and Both Movie Franchises they are different interpretations. I liked Superman Returns because it was a different interpretation of something that we have all loved for the past 70 years. So what if Doughterty, Harris, and Singer did a movie that has split the fanbase into two different camps.

But as to Tom Welling being this generation's Superman. That is a matter of opinion. The one thing that Smallville's producers say and I think a lot of people forget this one simple thing: This is not about Superman, this is the story of him going towards his destiny. Tom is not Superman, unfortunately.

I am not saying this as a bad thing, but you know this arguement will go on forever like people liking Chris Reeve to George Reeves. Or even messing up Reeve's last name.

As to Welling being this generation's Superman. I am gonna have to take the high road and say that he is not. Everyone pulls the late Chris Reeve saying that he gave him the nod. But I think that Reeve would have given Routh the torch. Besides Welling is more on the level of Jeff East, John Rockwell, John Haymes Newton, and Gerald Christopher because they played the younger Clark Kent.

Besides Dana Reeve did give Brandon approval on that one. And I think her blessing is just a good as Chris' since she was his widow. And one thing I like about Routh is that he is a fan and has respect for the character. Welling does not want to play the adult version, mainly because that means the end of Smallville. But that is not here or there right now.

Routh and Welling both represent the character for this generation but they cannot compare because they play different interpretations of the character.

People like Welling, People like Routh. Me I am more towards Routh for the adult version. Welling is my choice for the younger. But this whole arguement is kinda pointless in my opinion for one simple thing:

People have their own opinion for who is Superman. For the Baby Boomer's its Reeves. For my Generation it's Reeve or Cain, For present time it is either Welling or Routh. It's just a matter of people's tastes.

[AgentPat]

Y'know, either C.Lee hasn't been around lately, or the moratorium has been lifted.

Can somebody give us, the regular users of this forum, a definitive answer on this question? Please?

[The Incredible Hulk]

People have their own opinion for who is Superman. For the Baby Boomer's its Reeves. For my Generation it's Reeve or Cain, For present time it is either Welling or Routh. It's just a matter of people's tastes.

and to think you couldve just posted that fairly obvious paragraph andd saved yourself the time and effort.....

[Brainiac 8]

Y'know, either C.Lee hasn't been around lately, or the moratorium has been lifted.

Can somebody give us, the regular users of this forum, a definitive answer on this question? Please?

You know Patsy, I was thinking the same thing.:confused: ;)

[AgentPat]

You know Patsy, I was thinking the same thing.:confused: ;)Honestly, since the movie's out and it's done (in more ways than one LOL), maybe the moratorium HAS been lifted? :confused:

Though it would have been nice if they told us officially, y'know?

Where's C.Lee? I'd like to know for sure before cutting loose. LOLOL.

[Serene]

SSssshhhh... I don't think we should stir up the waters.

There be sharks. :eek:

[Brainiac 8]

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/706109/2/istockphoto_706109_jump_the_shark_sign.jpg

And would we really want to have to jump those sharks?:eek: :D

[Kaboom]

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/706109/2/istockphoto_706109_jump_the_shark_sign.jpg

And would we really want to have to jump those sharks?:eek: :D

I'm pretty sure that thehttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/kaboom43/purpelephant.jpg, did that already.

[Brainiac 8]

I'm pretty sure that thehttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/kaboom43/purpelephant.jpg, did that already.

lol:up: :p

[KalKai]

It would have meant more of Shawn said Tom was playing Superman and not Ksite.

The Chlarker questions are annoying. Poor guy.

Still, some good responses from Shawn to their silly questions. He sounds alright.

That's not K-Site, it's eonline's Watch with Kristin.

[Silver Lad]

My bad. I was probably wanted to write Kristin at the time, but with all the Chloe talk I think I wrote Ksite without realizing.. wow. Late night.

[phil]

Heres on I just finished, I'm thinking of going back into it and making it more realistic instead of the transparant type of thing I was just trying to have fun.
Welling IS SUPERMAN to me no fkn doubt in my mind!!!!!!!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/superman.jpg

[Brainiac 8]

Heres on I just finished, I'm thinking of going back into it and making it more realistic instead of the transparant type of thing I was just trying to have fun.
Welling IS SUPERMAN to me no fkn doubt in my mind!!!!!!!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/superman.jpg


Awsome pic man. He does exude the MOS doesn't he?:D :up:

[Whiteflag]

Heres on I just finished, I'm thinking of going back into it and making it more realistic instead of the transparant type of thing I was just trying to have fun.
Welling IS SUPERMAN to me no fkn doubt in my mind!!!!!!!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/superman.jpg

That's awesome! Thanks!

[The Caped Knight]

Heres on I just finished, I'm thinking of going back into it and making it more realistic instead of the transparant type of thing I was just trying to have fun.
Welling IS SUPERMAN to me no fkn doubt in my mind!!!!!!!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/superman.jpg

Impressive , Most Impressive .

[Serene]

Heres on I just finished, I'm thinking of going back into it and making it more realistic instead of the transparant type of thing I was just trying to have fun.
Welling IS SUPERMAN to me no fkn doubt in my mind!!!!!!!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/superman.jpg

That's reeeeaaally nice, phil. :up:

[TKodami]

Heres on I just finished, I'm thinking of going back into it and making it more realistic instead of the transparant type of thing I was just trying to have fun.
Welling IS SUPERMAN to me no fkn doubt in my mind!!!!!!!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/superman.jpg

Damn, phil! Tres cool. :) :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Heres on I just finished, I'm thinking of going back into it and making it more realistic instead of the transparant type of thing I was just trying to have fun.
Welling IS SUPERMAN to me no fkn doubt in my mind!!!!!!!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/superman.jpg

great drawing and beyond anything Id ever be able to do in my life. If I could offer one criticism, it would be that you've made Tom look a little feminine. I cant put my finger on what exactly, perhaps it's the eyes and the lips that bother me most.

[avidreader]

Kal-EL left to see if their was anyone else like him, It's not easy for him being an alien .

How come you can sympathise with a wiser and more mature Clark Kent feeling those emotions but you cant sympathise with a 19 year old version.

Smallville's Clark acts and behaves the way he does because he is trying to get over the feelings of being the only alien on the planet.

[The Caped Knight]

How come you can sympathise with a wiser and more mature Clark Kent feeling those emotions but you cant sympathise with a 19 year old version.

Smallville's Clark acts and behaves the way he does because he is trying to get over the feelings of being the only alien on the planet.

You just answered your question.

[avidreader]

You just answered your question.

I didnt answer my question at all and you still didnt say why you have one set of standards for one interpretation of the character and not the other.

Trying to come to terms with your feelings of being alien and struggling with that and trying to fit in doesnt mean that you dont accept yourself as being alien now or further down the line.

Kal I read your posts, your not on my ignore list ;), and I really see that this is where you fail to understand what Smallville is trying to show. They are showing us Clark trying to deal with being human and alien.

Lana said it in one of the first scenes of the Pilot, Are you man or superman? Clark answers that he hasnt figured it out yet.

If you're too impatient for the end result then maybe you should just tune back for the finale of the series.

[Serene]

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8791/twsupes1copyrs8.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/270/twsupes1copyqo2.jpg

He's not him yet .

[Whiteflag]

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8791/twsupes1copyrs8.jpg

That's beautiful, Rene! Have you made it yourself? It's awesome! :up:

[triplet]

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8791/twsupes1copyrs8.jpg

That's great, 'Rene!

:D

Beautiful.

[Kaboom]

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8791/twsupes1copyrs8.jpg
thats awesome! make it yourself?

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Awesome manip !

[The Incredible Hulk]

He's not him yet .

this just in: the sky is blue, water is wet, and you're a dink....

[Bruce_Wayne29]

With the recent news of a possible JLA animated movie, it would be cool if Tom is asked to do the voice to Superman.

[The Incredible Hulk]

the Superman in the new "Justice League Heroes" game thats coming out has a strong resemblance to Welling..

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/rpg/justiceleagueheroes/media.html

[Silver Lad]

The creator said it was a digital composite of the Alex Ross Superman and the Jim Lee Superman in the Gamespot interview.

Either way I'm looking forward to seeing it. I hope it isnt full on RPG like X-men Legends, that would be boring.

I want a smash-em up action/fighting Superman game

[Silver Lad]

With the recent news of a possible JLA animated movie, it would be cool if Tom is asked to do the voice to Superman.

Actually, that would be pretty funny :p

[TKodami]

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8791/twsupes1copyrs8.jpg


I love the far-away, visionary pose. Great manip. :) :up:

[The Kid]

nice. I might do one now, it's been over a year i think since my last one.

I can't wait until Smallville Returns.

[The Incredible Hulk]

The creator said it was a digital composite of the Alex Ross Superman and the Jim Lee Superman in the Gamespot interview.

Either way I'm looking forward to seeing it. I hope it isnt full on RPG like X-men Legends, that would be boring.

I want a smash-em up action/fighting Superman game

got a link? I'm interested to see who all the characters were patterned after

[Silver Lad]

Ya go to the gamespot videos for the game, and click on 'Demonstration' (from the E3)

The creators are talking about it and playing it.

I dont like that X-men Legends Bird Eye view thing the game has during gameplay.

[Serene]

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8791/twsupes1copyrs8.jpg
I love the far-away, visionary pose. Great manip. :) :up:

Thanks TK, and everyone else. It is one of mine and obviously still needs a little tweaking here and there, but I just love that look in his eyes.

I don't have TK's mad photoshop skilz yet, but I'm working on it. ;)

[avidreader]

Now that I know its your's Serene, awesome job!

Looks fantastic and I agree with you about his look into the distance.

[Kaboom]

Thanks TK, and everyone else. It is one of mine and obviously still needs a little tweaking here and there, but I just love that look in his eyes.

I don't have TK's mad photoshop skilz yet, but I'm working on it. ;)

i thought it was awesme before i knew it was yours. i idnt know you were a photoshopper! good job!

[Serene]

Thanks avid and Kaboom.
I'm really a novice at photoshop still. I do seem to get stuck on the same subject matter time after time.

[phil]

He's not him yet .
YET!!!!:supes:

[Brainiac 8]

the Superman in the new "Justice League Heroes" game thats coming out has a strong resemblance to Welling..

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/rpg/justiceleagueheroes/media.html


Wow, I hadn't noticed that before. Even being modeled after the Alex Ross version, it looks alot like Welling.:up:


Serene: Love the Manip, very iconic looking with the pose.:)

[TKodami]

Thanks avid and Kaboom.
I'm really a novice at photoshop still. I do seem to get stuck on the same subject matter time after time.

You may consider yourself a novice, but that manip was still spot-on. I love the pose, and I think I might do a sketch based on your image. :up:

[avidreader]

You may consider yourself a novice, but that manip was still spot-on. I love the pose, and I think I might do a sketch based on your image. :up:

Make sure you scan it and post it for us, wont you? Please. :D

[TKodami]

Make sure you scan it and post it for us, wont you? Please. :D

Sure thing, but it will take a while. :) I'm a slow artist.

[Serene]

Sure thing, but it will take a while. :) I'm a slow artist.

I'm sure it will be well worth the wait, I've seen your work. I can't wait to see it.

You should post some of your other stuff here - or maybe, in the Talon thread. Do we have a SV art thread?

[phil]

I continued that drawing I posted earlier into this:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/super.jpg

[KalKai]

You should shorten that neck, and the hair is too short.

[superboy13]

Nice one phil, I actually like that hairdo for a much mor modern Superman, like what SV is trying to do...
The neck does look a little long, but it could be the angle, and the colors are spot on. The only thing I'd change is the size of the S, other than that, superb job, man.

[superboy13]

I know that I already posted this on the other thread, but... :D
http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/?start=all

[phil]

The neck is exactly spot on, can't you tell the bottom is right to the collar bone? This is from the photo fro the flight of the season 4 opener. Don't forget his head is tilted back.

[KalKai]

Take a better look:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/655/kes4ky9.jpg

[superboy13]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/2fb81a11.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/f8242606.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/85a9e517.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/fe34a6ae.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/fddd97e9.jpg

[superboy13]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/929cf457.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/f914c354.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/cf0015d5.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/359cfb09.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/387d520c.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/de53f936.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/89361545.jpg

[superboy13]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/8f432fb2.jpg

[phil]

Take a better look:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/655/kes4ky9.jpg
I have a different photo from the same scene, he's more in an angle in the reference photo I used. The photo I used has him from his thighs up and shows the complete arm.

[Kaboom]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/_superboy13_/Photoshoppeada/8f432fb2.jpg

Superman does not have a s-shield on his belt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brainiac 8]

He does in Bizarro world.:eek:

[Kaboom]

i thought it was singerville...but w/e same difference.

[superboy13]

Superman does not have a s-shield on his belt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Zod is not a ghost :down

[KalKai]

And Superman is not a father or a saviour, now what? lol.

[superboy13]

I'm not gonna go into a SR/SV discussion, because I love them both, I just got pissed that because I put something on my manip that I liked from the SR suit, someone says: BUT SUPERMAN DOESN'T HAVE AN S ON HIS BELT.
Ok, yes, I know that the comic book Superman doesn't, I have, literally, hundreds of Superman comics, I just liked how it looked on SR and put it there.

[KalKai]

Then don't get pissed and don't take everything so seriously, or else don't post your manips.

[superboy13]

I will get pissed, I will take things seriously unless they're told as a joke (like using a smiley or something), because I'm sick of the Routh bashing here, and of the Welling bashing in the SR forums...

And, I will keep posting my manips here 'cause there are nice people here (Serene, AgentPat, avid, phil... to name a few) who might like them or not, but if they doesn't, they let me know what I can do to improve them, that's how it's done.

[TrailerCues]

I will keep posting my manips here

Tom as Superman "Manips" go here

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166993

[KalKai]

What are you talking about? Where are you seeing the Routh bashing? Or the Welling bashing for that matter? You're late for those, that stuff happened a long time ago, you rarely see any bashing now. He obviously doesn't like the suit, you got a problem with that?

[superboy13]

Sorry, I meant in the SHH! Forums :D

[superboy13]

What are you talking about? Where are you seeing the Routh bashing? Or the Welling bashing for that matter? You're late for those, they happened a long time ago. He obviously doesn't like the suit, you got a problem with that?
When I said Routh bashing, I meant SR bashing... and the Routh/Welling thing is still out there.
I don't have a problem with him not liking the suit... if that would have been what he said.

[KalKai]

Superman does not have a s-shield on his belt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's SR bashing to you? I don't think so.

That's exactly what he implied, he doesn't like the suit, full stop.

[superboy13]

"the S on the belt looks awful IMO, change that and it may improve a little"

That's saying that he doesn't like the suit.

"Superman does not have a s-shield on his belt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

That's like saying Routh is not Superman.

[KalKai]

Maybe, just maybe, SR/Routh is not Superman to him.

[superboy13]

Then it has nothing to do with my manip... so, why quote it?

[KalKai]

Zod doesn't have anything to do with this thread either.

[superboy13]

I know, I was replying with an also nonsensical statement given the circumstances...

[The Sage]

I know, I was replying with an also nonsensical statement given the circumstances...

Is this who I think it is? :D

[superboy13]

Are you who I think you are?

(master?)


:D

[superboy13]

Oh... yes you are... *bows*
The avy gave you in :D

[The Sage]

Hahaha. Funny. :D:up:

[Kaboom]

Dear Kal, i appreciate you sticking up for me while i was not around.

Dear, Superboy, we can have all sorts of "technical" arguments if you want. Try these:
First, i will respond to your assertion that i should have been more constructive in my critique of your manip. i think your your manip is amateurish at best. it is obviously photoshoped, and Superman's head is too big for his body. The S sheild on his chest is fuzzy and not properly positioned on his torso. The outline of his legs look hand drawn, and his cape lacks texture, and the background looks completely out of focus that it looks like it was made with a low quality photocopier that you taped a planet on top of one building. in my opinion if you want to improve the manip, start over from scratch.

Second, in only one incarnation of Superman that i can think of, did Supes have an "s" shield on his belt. That was Superman Returns. As you well know, there is a long standing rule in this forum, imposed by the mods which subjects a user to banning if they discuss SR here. By placing tom welling's head on superman's body, with an "s" shield on his belt you are specifically referencing Superman Returns. Indeed it could lead to flaming, which is exactly what the rule was meant to enjoin. Want proof? You immediately began your tirade about the bashing of SR and BR on these boards, when in fact i said no such thing, which Kal was very quick to point out. Your words belay your actions and reveal your motives.

As such, I feel your posting of an SR-related manip specifically subjects you to banning for breaking the rule and specifically attempting to incite flaming.

Should you wish to continue this conversation further, i would GLADLY continue to indulge you.

[superboy13]

Dear, Superboy, we can have all sorts of "technical" arguments if you want. Try these:
First, i will respond to your assertion that i should have been more constructive in my critique of your manip. i think your your manip is amateurish at best. it is obviously photoshoped, and Superman's head is too big for his body. The S sheild on his chest is fuzzy and not properly positioned on his torso. The outline of his legs look hand drawn, and his cape lacks texture, and the background looks completely out of focus that it looks like it was made with a low quality photocopier that you taped a planet on top of one building. in my opinion if you want to improve the manip, start over from scratch.
Thank you very much, I'll keep this in mind :up:. The Background is from a SV screencap, but I just stretched it, just to give it a background :D
Second, in only one incarnation of Superman that i can think of, did Supes have an "s" shield on his belt. That was Superman Returns. As you well know, there is a long standing rule in this forum, imposed by the mods which subjects a user to banning if they discuss SR here. By placing tom welling's head on superman's body, with an "s" shield on his belt you are specifically referencing Superman Returns. Indeed it could lead to flaming, which is exactly what the rule was meant to enjoin. Want proof? You immediately began your tirade about the bashing of SR and BR on these boards, when in fact i said no such thing, which Kal was very quick to point out. Your words belay your actions and reveal your motives.

As such, I feel your posting of an SR-related manip specifically subjects you to banning for breaking the rule and specifically attempting to incite flaming.

Should you wish to continue this conversation further, i would GLADLY continue to indulge you.
Never meant to incite flaming with the manip :confused:, sorry if it seemed that way...

[AgentPat]

As posted by somebody over at IMDb:

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6529/wellingleesupermencroppedqy7.jpg

Nice. :)

[Kaboom]

someone should tell the cw they put the words on backwards

[AgentPat]

someone should tell the cw they put the words on backwardsWell, they did spell Kreuk's name wrong last season. Looks like they're two for two now. LOL :p

[Whiteflag]

As posted by somebody over at IMDb:

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6529/wellingleesupermencroppedqy7.jpg

Nice. :)

That's great! I love it! :up:

[Bruce_Wayne29]

There's a poll on the Superman homepage asking who is our favourite Clark Kent. You can vote for Tom as well, he's currently at nº2 behind Chris.

[Whiteflag]

There's a poll on the Superman homepage asking which is our favourite Clark Kent. You can vote for Tom as well, he's currently at nº2 behind Chris.

Thanks, BW! :)

[Bruce_Wayne29]

You're welcome !

[Serene]

I'm not even registered at the supermanhomepage so I can't vote.

How is the voting going?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Second, in only one incarnation of Superman that i can think of, did Supes have an "s" shield on his belt. That was Superman Returns.
To correct you Superman now does have a \S/ on the belt starting in Oct. with the new Action Comics

Look at the belt when he is holding the guy up.

http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC06/DC/actionkubert.jpg

[avidreader]

I'm not even registered at the supermanhomepage so I can't vote.

How is the voting going?

I registered just to vote. :D

[Serene]

I registered just to vote. :D

Okay, I will too then. It's like doing my duty to Tom and my country.. er..or something like that. ;)

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I'm not even registered at the supermanhomepage so I can't vote.

How is the voting going?

As of now:
Chris - 50 votes
Tom - 26 votes
Dean - 24 votes
Routh - 22 votes

Keep those votes coming !

[Serene]

I registered just to vote. :D

How long did it take for you to be activated? I registered earlier today, but my acct. still isn't activated.

:(

[NHawk19]

To correct you Superman now does have a \S/ on the belt starting in Oct. with the new Action Comics

Look at the belt when he is holding the guy up.



They're probably just doing that in response to the movie in an attempt to shut up some of the comments about Singer's costume. Which IMHO is the wrong reason.

[AgentPat]

^ Ya think? LOL ;)

[Whiteflag]

I was a member but now they said that my username was unknown. So after trying several times unsuccessfully I registered again. And my account has not been activated either.

Would it have to do with my signature? I wonder... ;)

[Hack and Slash]

As posted by somebody over at IMDb:

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6529/wellingleesupermencroppedqy7.jpg

Nice. :)
This looks very nice indeed :supes:

[AgentPat]

I was a member but now they said that my username was unknown. So after trying several times unsuccessfully I registered again. And my account has not been activated either.

Would it have to do with my signature? I wonder... ;)The same thing happened to me?! :mad: I tried all of my passwords (I use more than one) but no dice. Tried to have it send me a new password but it said they didn't have my e-mail addy, which is BS because they still send me those stupid monthy reports where they drone on and on about ... things I'm not interested in. I got so frustrated, I just said to hell with it. I don't need to be a member there if they're going to ditch me w/o any kind of notice. Bleep 'em.

[Ultimate_Superman]

They're probably just doing that in response to the movie in an attempt to shut up some of the comments about Singer's costume. Which IMHO is the wrong reason.To be honest this was planned before the movie came out but hey what ever makes you guys happy keep telling yourself that.

[Ultimate_Superman]

As posted by somebody over at IMDb:

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6529/wellingleesupermencroppedqy7.jpg

Nice. :)Then I guess Bruce Wayne was based off of Tom Welling too because Jim Lee draws all his people the same.

[KalKai]

Who cares if 1 artist is designing Superman with the belt like that?

[Milkman95]

For info purposes, the \S/ was on the belt a long time ago in 1940.

http://metropolisplus.com/Superman/Superman%20Painting.jpg

[Serene]

How long did it take for you to be activated? I registered earlier today, but my acct. still isn't activated.

:(
I was a member but now they said that my username was unknown. So after trying several times unsuccessfully I registered again. And my account has not been activated either.

Would it have to do with my signature? I wonder...
The same thing happened to me?! I tried all of my passwords (I use more than one) but no dice. Tried to have it send me a new password but it said they didn't have my e-mail addy, which is BS because they still send me those stupid monthy reports where they drone on and on about ... things I'm not interested in. I got so frustrated, I just said to hell with it. I don't need to be a member there if they're going to ditch me w/o any kind of notice. Bleep 'em.

Well that's very weird. Especially when if you look at the main page you see this:

Registered Members: 7,444
Unactivated Members: 26
Newest Member: mifkent

And that "newest" member was activated yesterday.
The things that make you go Hmmm...

Hopefully they'll work it out later today.