Tom Welling as Superman

[Ultimate_Superman]

Also the reason why the outfit looks like the one to the movies is because the new origin is suppose to follow close to the movies and it is also rumored that during this new arc Superman and Lois are suppose to find out they are having a child. but hey its all rumors so take it how you please.

[NHawk19]

To be honest this was planned before the movie came out but hey what ever makes you guys happy keep telling yourself that.

Before Singers suit was designed :confused:

I'm gonna need something to prove that one before I can side with you.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Before Singers suit was designed :confused:

I'm gonna need something to prove that one before I can side with you.No before the movie came out. It was said that that was to become the new suit only they keep the \S/ on the cape as well. But yeah the new look is made to fit more into the movies since the Ultimate line (the idea they were going to go with before they went with All-Star) which was suppose to follow close to along the lines of the movies(example Batman Begins and Superman Returns) was scrap.

[Eddie Brock]

No before the movie came out. It was said that that was to become the new suit only they keep the \S/ on the cape as well. But yeah the new look is made to fit more into the movies since the Ultimate line (the idea they were going to go with before they went with All-Star) which was suppose to follow close to along the lines of the movies(example Batman Begins and Superman Returns) was scrap.
your avatar always makes me miss her on Smallville...
she was so much better than Lana could ever be...

[AgentPat]

...Hopefully they'll work it out later today.That IS bizarre. I think I registered there *before* I joined SHH. :confused:

Meh. Whatever. I aint gonna burn any more brain cells on it. Same thing goes for the silly \S/ belt.

SV has pretty much already established the belt shape and style that Clark will chose to wear as Superman. It just happens to be what *most* artists have drawn since Day One too. Imagine dat?

Jonathan's father's belt:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/relic8.jpg

Jonathan's belt:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/red6.jpg

Various Supermen:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/supermen.jpg

I prefer SV's approach because it sets up the suit and its associated design as a decision made by Clark, incorporating elements from both his human family as well as his Kryptonian heritage. I find it more meaningful that way verses a uniform that's 100% Kryptonian - sans any stylistic explanation beyond the repeated use of the family crest... ad nausium.

[Ultimate_Superman]

So that means if I wore that belt too SV got the idea from me as well.

[phil]

Here's a new manip i did...
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/bs.jpg

[AgentPat]

Red X, Phil. :(

[Eddie Brock]

Here's a new manip i did...
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/bs.jpg
ah yes, the invisible manip
nice

[phil]

I'm not sure why it does that? It did it at bluetights too and someone else hosted it for me???? It works on my macs, I can see it now, but on my PC it's a red x??? that sux.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Is that phil from Blue Tights :)? If so welcome to the Hype.

[phil]

Is that phil from Blue Tights :)? If so welcome to the Hype.
Yes it's me, thank you

[Ultimate_Superman]

Whats up Phil, they still giving you a hard time over there?

[phil]

Well I guess if you would like to see it it's in "Phil's Art Thread" at blue tights.
It's Welling and Bale looking about as bad-ass as they could possibly look.

[phil]

You don't even fkn know my friend.

[phil]

love your avy, she's so dam hot!

[KalKai]

Here it is:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/deDIKnight/Philssupesandbats.jpg

[phil]

Thanks buddy!

[Ultimate_Superman]

Here it is:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/deDIKnight/Philssupesandbats.jpgNot a good picture of Welling

[phil]

Do I know you all-star?

[avidreader]

How long did it take for you to be activated? I registered earlier today, but my acct. still isn't activated.

:(

Just checked. I'm still not activated. I think its a conspiracy. ;)

[Ultimate_Superman]

Do I know you all-star?yea I am Superman at Blue Tights. One of the only people who doesn't have a problem with your rants and efends you most of the time.

[Eddie Brock]

Here it is:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/deDIKnight/Philssupesandbats.jpg
2 things wrong:

1. they are too stupid to actually MAKE this movie
2. they are too stupid to cast Tom Welling

[phil]

Well thank you, and thank for being honest about my manip.

But just to let you know my "rants" are warrented.

[Eddie Brock]

Well thank you, and thank for being honest about my manip.

But just to let you know my "rants" are warrented.
i like the manip
my insults are directed at Hollywood

[Ultimate_Superman]

No they would cast him he just doesn't want the part for whatever reason. My guess is he doesn't want to be known as Superman and wants to do other things.

[phil]

2 things wrong:

1. they are too stupid to actually MAKE this movie
2. they are too stupid to cast Tom Welling

3 things wrong with your post:

1. It would be a good movie.
2. Tom welling IS Superman.
3. It's just a manip

[Eddie Brock]

No they would cast him he just doesn't want the part for whatever reason. My guess is he doesn't want to be known as Superman and wants to do other things.
yes, like Cheaper By The Dozen (total sarcasm)....Chris Reeves never had a problem...

[Ultimate_Superman]

But just to let you know my "rants" are warrented.Oh and I agree its just you go about it the wrong way. But hey I do think you have some good points and as I said before I like your idea on how to do a movie that follows Superman II.

[avidreader]

No they would cast him he just doesn't want the part for whatever reason. My guess is he doesn't want to be known as Superman and wants to do other things.

Dont start that again. Pleeeeaaaazzzeee!!!!

[Whiteflag]

The same thing happened to me?! :mad: I tried all of my passwords (I use more than one) but no dice. Tried to have it send me a new password but it said they didn't have my e-mail addy, which is BS because they still send me those stupid monthy reports where they drone on and on about ... things I'm not interested in.

That's exactly my case. They still send me their monthly reports, but they say that they don't have my e-mail address.! :confused: And I joined here just a couple of months ago, so I guess that's got nothing to do with it.

But they take too long to activate accounts, for some reason...

[phil]

No they would cast him he just doesn't want the part for whatever reason. My guess is he doesn't want to be known as Superman and wants to do other things.

He wasn't approached for the part by Singer thank god, and he did consider the part but it wasn't possible, he spent time a Ratner's house talking about it with him.

[Eddie Brock]

3 things wrong with your post:

1. It would be a good movie.
2. Tom welling IS Superman.
3. It's just a manip
i agree with them all
it's just that Hollywood doesn't know any better
they'd rather make Ant-Man and the Hulk 2

[Whiteflag]

Dont start that again. Pleeeeaaaazzzeee!!!!

Exactly!

[Ultimate_Superman]

Phil just to warn you we can not talk about Superman Returns in this forum unless you want to be banned.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Dont start that again. Pleeeeaaaazzzeee!!!!start what I am not implying nothing I just said he didn't want the role because I sure if Tom Welling walked into the WB and said I want to be Superman he would be Superman he just didn't want it. Theres nothing wrong with that.

[phil]

Oh and I agree its just you go about it the wrong way. But hey I do think you have some good points and as I said before I like your idea on how to do a movie that follows Superman II.

I agree with you that I go about the wrong way but when your insulted right from the beginning for not agreeing with Singer's version even if your not doing it in a negative way getting called Junior High names day after day you kind start going in in a defensive way.

[phil]

Phil just to warn you we can not talk about Superman Returns in this forum unless you want to be banned.


ok, I was just awnsering your posts, sorry.

[phil]

i agree with them all
it's just that Hollywood doesn't know any better
they'd rather make Ant-Man and the Hulk 2
I agree with you 100% Eddie, thanks

[avidreader]

start what I am not implying nothing I just said he didn't want the role because I sure if Tom Welling walked into the WB and said I want to be Superman he would be Superman he just didn't want it. Theres nothing wrong with that.

Right, you were there with Tom Welling every step of the way.

Come on All Star, ya know what I mean by dont go there again.:rolleyes: You're assuming facts about something based on an opinion.

[KalKai]

Oh god, and he's going to be a father, poor poor kid.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Right, you were there with Tom Welling every step of the way.

Come on All Star, ya know what I mean by dont go there again.:rolleyes: You're assuming facts about something based on an opinion.No your thinking I am trying to start something or imply something. I am stating what I think! I think that Welling after Smallville just wants to try something new and thats why he didn't take the role when offered either that or he was just happy with SV. In no way am I am saying something bad about him. I am just stating why I think he didn't take the role as you and others have before me.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

The poll results as of now:
Which actor played your favorite Clark Kent?


Bud Collyer

1% [2 Votes]


Kirk Alyn

0% [0 Votes]


George Reeves

6% [13 Votes]


Christopher Reeve

33% [69 Votes]


John Haymes Newton

0% [1 Vote]


Gerard Christopher

0% [1 Vote]


Dean Cain

17% [36 Votes]


Tim Daly

1% [2 Votes]


Tom Welling

23% [48 Votes]


Brandon Routh

17% [34 Votes]


Votes: 206

[avidreader]

No your thinking I am trying to start something or imply something. I am stating what I think! I think that Welling after Smallville just wants to try something new and thats why he didn't take the role when offered either that or he was just happy with SV. In no way am I am saying something bad about him. I am just stating why I think he didn't take the role as you and others have before me.

That's techno babble and I'm just not going there.

[Kaboom]

"i can see your lips moving, but i cant understand the words that are coming out of your mouth."

gold star to whoever gets that first.

[avidreader]

"i can see your lips moving, but i cant understand the words that are coming out of your mouth."

gold star to whoever gets that first.

I dont know the answer, but I've missed you and your posts.

I think its time for an *ffectionate ruffle of the hair. ;)

[Kaboom]

I dont know the answer, but I've missed you and your posts.

I think its time for an *ffectionate ruffle of the hair. ;)

my internet at home hasnt been working. and yesterday was kinda hectic around the office. hopefully everything will be back to normal by tonight.

glad to know i was missed!

and gawsh, how i do love those hair ruffles.

[phil]

Maybe one of you guys can help me out? I want to start a new Welling Drawing but I'm having trouble finding reference images. I want a full body or 3/4 shot, could be Wellings body or someone elses that I can just put Wellings head on. I'm looking for a bold Superman pose of some sort that I can make a "real looking" as possible drawing from. Thanks

[AgentPat]

Maybe one of you guys can help me out? I want to start a new Welling Drawing but I'm having trouble finding reference images. I want a full body or 3/4 shot, could be Wellings body or someone elses that I can just put Wellings head on. I'm looking for a bold Superman pose of some sort that I can make a "real looking" as possible drawing from. ThanksI have an affinity for this one (http://www.patcostello.com/images/princess.jpg), but it's already a drawing, so I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for Phil?

Chest and arms, ala Jackman and Ahhnuld...

http://www.patcostello.com/images/jackman.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/images/arnold3.jpg

And two more (Frank Zane and Ahhuuld) for reference purposes. They're GREAT examples for drawing musculature properly, particularly around the chest and the abs...

http://www.patcostello.com/images/frankzane1.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/images/arnold2.jpg

Hope that helps. I'm at work, so I don't have access to any great "library" of photos LOL. Just know what I happen to have sitting on my server.

OH, and I also have this dude...

http://www.patcostello.com/images/paultelfer3.jpg

(You need to ask these questions in the Drool Thread (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146819), Phil LOL)

[phil]

I'm looking for something like maybe a shot where he could be floating, maybe one leg slightly up.

A standing shot with his feet a part chest out traditional pose. Something strong looking. Maybe an after battle type of thing. I'm sure I can find a head to go with it I have a lot of Welling Head shots.
Have you ever see the Jim Lee statue of Superman with one leg up resting on a rock, a cool more realistic shot of that would be really cool. I just need somthing that could be made to look like it is Welling. I just want it to be as real as possible.

[phil]

Just got a quick peak at the drool threa, lol I bet there's something in there, I'll check it out more when I get back from an appointment, thanks Pat, I appreciate it. It's going with a Superman concept suit.

[AgentPat]

...Have you ever see the Jim Lee statue of Superman with one leg up resting on a rock, a cool more realistic shot of that would be really cool.[spits tea at monitor]

Hee! Um... Oh yeah, I know that statue well. VERY well. I actually OWN it. Have it here at work with me, in fact. I LOVE it! :up:

I've seen other... um... versions of that pose too....

[wipes tea off monitor]

I just need somthing that could be made to look like it is Welling. I just want it to be as real as possible.I'll see what I can find for ya, though I won't be home tonight to really look. I've been wicked busy recently. :(

[Ultimate_Superman]

[spits tea at monitor]

Hee! Um... Oh yeah, I know that statue well. VERY well. I actually OWN it. Have it here at work with me, in fact. I LOVE it! :up:
I have that one as well as the Batman one I am looking to sell them if your looking to give them a good home. Either that or I may put them on Ebay and see how it does there. And they are the full-size ones not half size.

[Kal-El 8]

I have that one as well as the Batman one I am looking to sell them if your looking to give them a good home. Either that or I may put them on Ebay and see how it does there. And they are the full-size ones not half size.

http://www.dccomics.com/media/products/3503_a_full.jpg
This one ?

I have that one too . :batty:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yep that and Superman

[AgentPat]

I have that one as well as the Batman one I am looking to sell them if your looking to give them a good home. Either that or I may put them on Ebay and see how it does there. And they are the full-size ones not half size.Actually, I'm definitely interested in the Batman resin (already have Supes.) I didn't know they came in different sizes though. My Supes one is about 9 3/4" tall. Is that the small one or large?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Actually, I'm definitely interested in the Batman resin (already have Supes.) I didn't know they came in different sizes though. My Supes one is about 9 3/4" tall. Is that the small one or large?I got to check the box because there was two of them one set was like book ends the other size the smaller ones were more for the people who didn't feel like paying as much.

[Kal-El 8]

I also have the one from BEGINS
http://www.dccomics.com/media/products/3081_a_full.jpg

[Serene]

Yes it's me, thank you

Good to see you here, Phil. :)
But.. you've been here before, haven't you?

[phil]

[spits tea at monitor]

Hee! Um... Oh yeah, I know that statue well. VERY well. I actually OWN it. Have it here at work with me, in fact. I LOVE it! :up:

I've seen other... um... versions of that pose too....

[wipes tea off monitor]

I'll see what I can find for ya, though I won't be home tonight to really look. I've been wicked busy recently. :(Take your time no problem, I'm itchy to start drawing it but I've been looking for a couple weeks now and I have things that I should be doing instead to actually make some money, lol
Thanks for your help.

[Serene]

I have a lot of pics too, phil (most of us do here.. LOL), so let me know what you want, and I'll take a look. Or, if you need a cap from any of the first 4 seasons, let me know.

[phil]

Good to see you here, Phil. :)
But.. you've been here before, haven't you?

Yes, I think he asked because of the small number of posts, maybe he hadn't see me here yet I'm still a virgin at the Hype.

[phil]

I have a lot of pics too, phil (most of us do here.. LOL), so let me know what you want, and I'll take a look. Or, if you need a cap from any of the first 4 seasons, let me know.

I hear that wow, I went through the whole Tom Welling thread and saw some pics I've never seen before, you guys go nuts, I love it. And no one yells at me here or makes fun of me because Welling is my Superman, lol

I like those poses like the statue, or even something a little different. I just want to draw closer to a whole body shot that's a bold Superman pose. I haven't really taken my time to draw the best I can for Superman yet and I want something that will really jump out at first glance.

My problem right now is I'm a Sports Artist so I don't have to throw a spandex type of thing, hair cuts, capes etc. on my subjects. With superhero's I have to make up the bodies but I like it to be like a real body and it's hard for me to do. The hair part is hard but I can deal with it but to do a good body is the hardest part for me right now. I've been looking in underwear ads, searching the internet like crazy but quite frankly I'm sick of looking at thousands of photos of guys, lol And 99% of the time they are not in a cool Super pose. Once I have a good reference photo the rest comes easy.

The statue pose would make it easy to come up with a background because with that pose I can make him on a roof top and have the city down below, that would be really cool. I just want to see Welling in a real as possible drawing as Superman to see what he would really look like.

[avidreader]

I hear that wow, I went through the whole Tom Welling thread and saw some pics I've never seen before, you guys go nuts, I love it. And no one yells at me here or makes fun of me because Welling is my Superman, lol


LOL! You think that's something, you should see us when we're in I.M. :D

[Serene]

My problem right now is I'm a Sports Artist so I don't have to throw a spandex type of thing, hair cuts, capes etc. on my subjects. With superhero's I have to make up the bodies but I like it to be like a real body and it's hard for me to do. The hair part is hard but I can deal with it but to do a good body is the hardest part for me right now. I've been looking in underwear ads, searching the internet like crazy but quite frankly I'm sick of looking at thousands of photos of guys, lol And 99% of the time they are not in a cool Super pose. Once I have a good reference photo the rest comes easy.

Why don't you use Welling's own body... lord knows, it's good enough. He's been near-nekkid in enough eps to give you an idea of what he'd look like. There are a few manips (I know Pat knows which ones) that were made using his actual body.. one is from the shirtless scene in Aqua.

The scene in that ep where he was in the exploding car, then pulled off his shirt was a particularly nice shot as well. Someone else can give you the title.. I'd have to look it up. They all have bigger brains than I do when it comes to remembering details. :)

[Serene]

LOL! You think that's something, you should see us when we're in I.M. :D

I have no idea what you're talking about.

*fluttering lashes innocently*

[avidreader]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

*fluttering lashes innocently*

Sure...... ;)

[phil]

Why don't you use Welling's own body... lord knows, it's good enough. He's been near-nekkid in enough eps to give you an idea of what he'd look like. There are a few manips (I know Pat knows which ones) that were made using his actual body.. one is from the shirtless scene in Aqua.

The scene in that ep where he was in the exploding car, then pulled off his shirt was a particularly nice shot as well. Someone else can give you the title.. I'd have to look it up. They all have bigger brains than I do when it comes to remembering details. :)

That's what I want to do, the hard part is the bottom half with shorts and legs in the suit so it still looks like it's his body.

[MJZ]

Amateurs...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/MJZ/IMG_0220.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/MJZ/IMG_0218.jpg

[phil]

LOL, behind Angelina

The DD kicks-ass

[triplet]

Actually a good source for anatomical information is Gray's Anatomy (http://www.bartleby.com/107/indexillus.html).

No.

Not the TV show, the book. They have great illustrations (http://www.bartleby.com/107/Images/large/image430.gif) of the muscles.

[phil]

My most important thing is making it look believable as his body in tights and make it perfectly proportioned. If one little part is off it makes everything around it seem off as well. Here's a sample of a drawing I did of Ken Griffy Jr. if you know who he is? I want Welling's body to be as believabls as this to Griffey:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/Griffey.jpg

[Logan Howlett]

Ok guys for someone totaly out of the loop on the new season..........WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?

[avidreader]

Ok guys for someone totaly out of the loop on the new season..........WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?

LOL! Lots and lots and lots. I wouldnt know where to begin. :D

[Logan Howlett]

I saw a preview the other day and was like........and...................and............. .........................?!?!?!??!??!!??!?!??!?! C'mon man help me out!

[avidreader]

I saw a preview the other day and was like........and...................and............. .........................?!?!?!??!??!!??!?!??!?! C'mon man help me out!

You should go to the Season 6 spoilers thread, 'cause this thread aint exactly a spoiler thread, and I might get in trouble. However, I will try and sum it up in there.

[MJZ]

LOL, behind Angelina

The DD kicks-ass

Yep the Bowen DD, my most prized out of the collection. Been sold out since 1998 and I had to drop a few hundred for it on eBay some years ago, but it's a beauty, especially in person...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/MJZ/IMG_0219.jpg

[phil]

the shading is top notch, I wish it was also within the face for a more realistic tone. The movie would have been better with this red and dropping the playground scene as well. Then to me this movie could have stood on the same ground as any Superhero movie.
All these statues are awesome, they must look even better in person, I'll have to get some.

[Ultimate_Superman]

the shading is top notch, I wish it was also within the face for a more realistic tone. The movie would have been better with this red and dropping the playground scene as well. Then to me this movie could have stood on the same ground as any Superhero movie.
All these statues are awesome, they must look even better in person, I'll have to get some.buy the unedited verison of DD its a whole different movie. More faithful to what you thought you should have seen but didn't.

[phil]

I gotta see that version

[Ultimate_Superman]

Please do it cuts out all the stuff you hated about the movie really and makes it like a more darker movie. Sort of like Batman Begins.

[MJZ]

Yeah the Director's Cut is a great film. Still has its share of flaws but it's loads better than the theatrical cut.

[phil]

Please do it cuts out all the stuff you hated about the movie really and makes it like a more darker movie. Sort of like Batman Begins.

Ass long as the gay playground scene is out! That was like watching Lex Luthor in SR!

[phil]

oops, I didn't mean to mention that, sorry dudes

[thebigtree95]

That statue is AWESOME!

DD is my next favorite after Superman.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Ass long as the gay playground scene is out! That was like watching Lex Luthor in SR!LOL no its not out of it but it is done much better.

[blksuperman2]

Here's something I did today. It's done entirely in colored pencils. Forgive the crappy quality, my scanner really sucks. The original looks 50Xs better.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/blksuperman2/TaylorCole-Welling.jpg

WW is based off an image of Taylor Cole.

[Serene]

^That's really great, blksuperman.
I have such admiration for people with artistic talent. :up:

[blksuperman2]

^That's really great, blksuperman.
I have such admiration for people with artistic talent. :up:

Thanks Serene. I appreciate it.:yay:

[avidreader]

That WW reminds me of my PE Teacher from High School.

Nice Work! :cool: :up:

[Whiteflag]

Here's something I did today. It's done entirely in colored pencils. Forgive the crappy quality, my scanner really sucks. The original looks 50Xs better.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/blksuperman2/TaylorCole-Welling.jpg

WW is based off an image of Taylor Cole.

Great job! :up:

[blksuperman2]

That WW reminds me of my PE Teacher from High School.

Nice Work! :cool: :up:

Thanks.:yay:

LOL, I hope that's a good thing:huh:

Great job! :up:

Thanks Whiteflag.:up:

[Wilde]

My new Welling as Superman manip:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1429/welling2copynn1.jpg

[Serene]

I still hate the neckline on that suit, but I like what you did with the colors, Wilde. And of course, that head shot looks perfect for a Supes manip.

That really is a beautifully done, manip. Thanks, Wilde. :)

[avidreader]

I can only see a red x. In both threads. :csad:

[Wilde]

Another new manip:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1783/supermanandloisep0.jpg

[superboy13]

yes, like Cheaper By The Dozen (total sarcasm)....Chris Reeves never had a problem...
Reeve, dammit... he was CHRISTOPHER REEVE!

Sorry, got carried away :woot:

[Bruce_Wayne29]

There's a poll in the Super-World foruns asking ppl to vote on their favourite Superman. Just in case you guys want to vote for Tom...

[avidreader]

There's a poll in the Super-World foruns asking ppl to vote on their favourite Superman. Just in case you guys want to vote for Tom...

Got a link??

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Got a link??

It's in the Super-World forum here at SHH.

[blksuperman2]

Got a link??

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245340

[avidreader]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245340

Thanks, I'm a bit scared to venture outside of this forum, the long way around. :woot:

[blksuperman2]

Thanks, I'm a bit scared to venture outside of this forum, the long way around. :woot:

LOL, It's a scary world out there.

[Wilde]

Here is an updated version of my Welling manip:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4162/welling3copyap1.jpg

[bootspark]

great pic of gnillew as Supes. i still hate that suit though

[RakuMon]

EW's PopWatch blog on the popularity of superheroes on TV w/ a big ole photo of TW, natch.
Unfortunately, Scott Brown goes on to endorse the whole "Chlois" thing in a mainstream forum. Boo! :cmad:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2006/10/hero_and_superh.html


Hero and Superhero: Comics, all growed up

http://popwatch.ew.com/photos/uncategorized/162740__smallville_l.jpgSuperheroes: For a bubble that was supposed to have burst a couple of Blade sequels ago, they’ve shown remarkable staying power in the fantasy-hungry mainstream. They are, it would seem, what’s for dinner, now and forever.

So let’s talk about them: The Heroes, the Hiro (http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=4807), and, of course, the Hero—Numero Uno, Big Blue, He Who Had Not Such a Great Summer At the Movies (http://youtube.com/watch?v=B1jwXehbheo) but Hey-There’s-Always-Television (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ob80L0OKnlU).

Let me begin by celebrating the passing -- or, at least, waning -- of a theme: the superhero-as-metaphor (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061016/ap_en_ce/people_stan_lee)-for "otherness," difference, nerdiness, and purple-nurple-getting. Sure, it’s valid. Sure, it’s a potent idea for the core readers of comic books, who have their own nurples -- real, metaphysical and imagined -- to display as war wounds. But I’m just not sure I buy it. I’m not sure I buy beautiful, godlike Clark Kent’s 60,000th lament about not fitting in. (Not when he looks like Smallville's Tom Welling, pictured.) I’m not even sure I entirely buy Heroes’ Claire bellyaching over how her invincibility clashes with her spiffy 1950s cheerleader outfit. (Though, on a more positive sidenote, I do like the suggestion planted in this Tim Kring interview (http://thetvaddict.com/?p=959) that Milo Ventimiglia's Peter Petrelli may be a Rogue-style parasite.)

Basically, I think all people -- geek and jock alike, and Americans, especially -- suspect they’re superheroes anyway, either as an entitlement or a coping mechanism. So what’s the big surprise when they find out they actually are? Like Hiro, the breakout favorite on Heroes, they knew they had it in them all along. Just once, I’d like to see a character who genuinely can’t distinguish his adolescent license-to-drive self-assuredness from his very real (and possibly dangerous) superabilities.

Sure, there will always be disenfranchised nerds, looking for empowerment fantasies. But the world has changed. The pop culture center has shifted, and the nerds are now the nexus. (Just look at the ratings for Heroes.) This new world demands a steady diet of fantasy. Draw whatever religiopolitical conclusions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_behind) you want from that statement, but know this much: The sweaty dreams of nerd empowerment are coming true, in this world and in the fantasy worlds we’ve created. The question isn’t one of being different: The question is one of being better. It’s that scary, Nietzschean side of the superhero equation, the more frightening, less attractive side. The hero as aggrieved, ostracized outsider was fine for those first few seasons of Smallville, but it’s time to grow up, grow out, and face the toughest question of all: What does it mean to be "better" in a world where the real-life X-men are Google guys and, let’s face it, there’s a lot more red kryptonite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Kryptonite#Forms_of_kryptonite) than green? That was the world hinted at in The Incredibles, the best mainstream superhero distillation to date, which some saw as a Red State celebration (http://youtube.com/watch?v=4P6VS5-2YxE) of and apologia for unbridled American exceptionalism.

On an entirely different subject: Al Gough and Miles Millar, I implore you, please let the Chlois Theory (http://chlois.org/) be somehow true. I don’t like tortured, multidimensional crises in my comic-book universe any more than you do, but if that’s what it takes to make Chloe (http://www.answers.com/topic/chloe-sullivan)(Allison Mack) the real Lois Lane, then, by Zod, do it. Sorry, Temp Lois (Erica Durance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erica_Durance)). You've been shown up. The Mack Lois is simply a superior being, and ain't life cruel?

Posted by Scott Brown | 10.16.06, 07:22 PM

[Kaboom]

^^^ew gross

[Bruce_Wayne29]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10423066&posted=1#post10423066

In case ppl want to join the debate...

And for those who haven't voted on Tom yet click on the link on top the thread...

[avidreader]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10423066&posted=1#post10423066

In case ppl want to join the debate...

And for those who haven't voted on Tom yet click on the link on top the thread...

Those fanboys scare me. :eek:

There was one particular post that amused me though, because I could retaliate by saying vice versa.

I suspect that thread wont stay open long.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Those fanboys scare me. :eek:

There was one particular post that amused me though, because I could retaliate by saying vice versa.



I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed...lol I laughed out loud when I read that.

[AgentPat]

Oh what the hell, this thread needs a bump. And "mainstream" articles like this make me chuckle.

Hey Raku? I think you'll like this un too. :D


Lil' Bow Wow shows up in 'Smallville,' takes on Superman

Lil' Bow Wow -- he'll always be little to us -- guest starred on The CW's "Smallville" on Thursday night as a villain that battled Tom Welling's young Superman. Bow Wow played "Baern," a phantom that had been banished by Superman's father, Jor-El, to Krypton's version of a prison, called "The Phantom Zone." Superman, who only appears on the show as his alter ego, Clark Kent, had unknowingly released many of the prisoners during his own escape on a previous episode. During Thursday's show, Bow Wow tracked down Kent -- a.k.a. Kal-El -- and killed one of his fellow Kryptonians before being defeated. His character survived because the phantom had only used Bow Wow's body as a host. Bow Wow, whose previous screen credits include "Roll Bounce," "Johnson Family Vacation" and "The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift," was also credited as a sponsor for the show, which promoted his latest album.

-- The 411 Online

http://www.the411online.com/news/11030604.html


"Superman?" :p

[LL2K2]

You forgot the adjective preceding it: "Young." ;)

[Serene]

You forgot the adjective preceding it: "Young." ;)

That's because it's superfluous. :)

[AgentPat]

You forgot the adjective preceding it: "Young."Young, old, teenager, adult - it doesn't matter; he's still Kal-El, aka Clark Kent, aka Superman. The way some people act, Superman isn't Superman w/o the costume. But "it's not what you are underneath - it's what you do that defines you."

Try and get past the moniker folks. If it was only about the name, then "Clark Kent" would just be a mild mannered reporter working at a major metropolitan newspaper.

Yeah, right, ahuh...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/pariah9.jpg

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http://www.patcostello.com/temp/cyborg.jpg

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http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hidden10.jpg

Yup. For sure! That's Clark Kent all right. LOL :P

[AgentPat]

^ But Clark Kent is more than all that. Look deeper peeps. See the heart. Recognize that it's the same soul under the future costume...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/pariah6.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/cyborg5.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/shattered.jpg

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http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hidden7.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/crusade12.jpg

NOW we're getting to the meat and potatoes behind the character we know to be Superman.

[Kal-El 8]

You make good points Pat, But at the heart of the matter he's still not SUPERMAN.

[Serene]

You make good points Pat, But at the heart of the matter he's still not SUPERMAN.

Hear that whizzing sound? That's Pat's point flying WAAAAY over your head.

:whatever:

He IS Superman because of the "heart" of the matter. But if you define Superman solely by the clothes he wears, then I guess you'll never get it.

[AgentPat]

You make good points Pat, But at the heart of the matter he's still not SUPERMAN.The "heart of the matter" IS the heart of the matter, Kal. I think folks are splitting hairs debating the name and the wardrobe. "Superman" as a moniker and visualization doesn't exist in SV yet. No argument there. But the characterization - the metaphoric symbol for truth, justice and hope, and the inspiration to be a better person - is alive and well.

[Kal-El 8]

Hear that whizzing sound? That's Pat's point flying WAAAAY over your head.

:whatever:

He IS Superman because of the "heart" of the matter. But if you define Superman solely by the clothes he wears, then I guess you'll never get it.

Ok hold on right their ... I got her point ["Their more to SUPERMAN than just the suit"[It's The Man behind the cape.] I get that . However While The Suit doesn't make the Man, It's still an imporant piece in being SUPERMAN, His suit is an iconic Symbol of "Hope" . When the Citizen's of Metropolis in all the other incarnation see The suit [many feel happy,safe,protected etc.....]

On Smallville we see a young man in training to become THE MAN OF STEEL.
But we don't see SUPERMAN .

When we see this
http://www.newsarama.com/DC/Superman/Kerschl-Superman.jpg
Then it's SUPERMAN :super:

Till then he's only Kal-EL & Clark Kent .

[AgentPat]

...His suit is an iconic Symbol of "Hope" . When the Citizen's of Metropolis in all the other incarnation see The suit [many feel happy,safe,protected etc.....]

On Smallville we see a young man in training to become THE MAN OF STEEL.
But we don't see SUPERMAN.Ahah! This is interesting. Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but based on what you wrote, you're looking at Superman as a symbol from the POV of the character masses within the fiction, right?

See, I choose to view his story as a parable. Superman is a symbol and source of inspiration for the audience, e.g. us.

But even in SV, Clark is still a metaphoric Superman to those characters who know who he really is and what he does...

Chloe: Clark, I think you're so amazing. You save people's lives and take zero credit for it. To me, you're more than just a hero. You're a super hero.
Clark: Chloe...
Chloe: I'm serious, Clark. If more humans were like you, the world would be a better place.
- Arrival

[Squatlow]

You make good points Pat, But at the heart of the matter he's still not SUPERMAN.

You know, you're right. He's not Superman. Never really was and never really will be.

He's Kal-El, the last Son of Krypton whose earth name is Clark. Superman is the call sign Lois assigned to him, and it stuck.

Kinda like if we call a particular politician "Stupid" and it catches on. Is said politician stupid only from the day we call him that or has he actually been stupid for a long, long, long time? (for the politically sensitive here, I'd just like to say that I'm not necessarily referring to anyone in particular like...oh...say...the current occupant of the highest office in the land...honest and that's my nuculur thought about that! :woot: )

Similarly, hasn't he been Superman for a long, long, long time. Just didn't have the call sign assigned?

In fact, neither Jor-El, Lara, Jonathan, Martha, nor even Clark himself ever imagined himself as someone called Superman. Lois hung the name on him and it stuck. During Kal-El's first public appearance, he wore the costume, but was not operating as Superman or any other named crusader. Kal-El/Clark appears to have never considered naming himself and the logical outcome is that until Lois did hang the sobriquet on him, he essentially operated for that short time as "who the heck is that guy". So can we say that even though he wore the costume for some time prior to being named by Lois, that he was not Superman? Pish Posh. He was and is Superman.

If thats not your cup of cheese, fine. Call it as you see it, but opinions vary and if Lois actually saw him catching burning airliners wearing his normal Smallville getup, I'd venture to guess she'd want to call him some damn thing. Although I'm not sure Carhartt-Man has quite the same appeal. Tomato, tomahto...

[Kal-El 8]

Ahah! This is interesting. Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but based on what you wrote, you're looking at Superman as a symbol from the POV of the character masses within the fiction, right?

See, I choose to view his story as a parable. Superman is a symbol and source of inspiration for the audience, e.g. us.

But even in SV, Clark is still a metaphoric Superman to those characters who know who he really is and what he does...

Chloe: Clark, I think you're so amazing. You save people's lives and take zero credit for it. To me, you're more than just a hero. You're a super hero.
Clark: Chloe...
Chloe: I'm serious, Clark. If more humans were like you, the world would be a better place.
- Arrival

See here thing

I'm not denying his doesn't have some the Characteristics already that will be apart of SUPERMAN natural Character in the future . I know he does .

Just like Peter Parker & Bruce Wayne do. Before they become their men their destied to become. [Peter Parker aka : Spider-man] &


However unlike you and many smallville fans[who like Farmboy Clark better mainly all the woman fans of this show, Who only watch it to see Tom Welling]. I am a huge fan of [b]THE MAN OF STEEL and to me the suit is a very imporant piece for being SUPERMAN .

[avidreader]

However unlike you and many smallville fans[who like Farmboy Clark better mainly all the woman fans of this show, Who only watch it to see Tom Welling]. I am a huge fan of THE MAN OF STEEL and to me the suit is a very imporant piece for being SUPERMAN .

I'm curious to know what it is about the SUIT that makes you think that this is what defines Clark Kent/Kal-el as SUPERMAN.

Surely, there is more to the man than costuming.

And Pat your posts are always so inspirational that they bring a tear to my eyes.

[Superman Pwnage]

I'm pretty sure everyone already knows this, but in case anyone doesnt, it's worth explaining.

There are essentially three forms to the being named Kal-El (three identities):

1) Clark Kent on the Farm (his true self, his true personality) *

2) Daily Planet Clark Kent (The bumbling reporter disguise)

3) Superman (A public figure and Kal-El's eventual superhero identity).


Out of all of these, *Tom has only played one, the first.

There have been hints (Vengeance) that the bumbling Daily Planet disguise will be someday implemented but it hasnt happened yet.

Essentially Kal-El 8 didnt mention that the Superman title is actually more than simply costuming. It is essentially the world's way of acknowledging Kal-El when he becomes a public figure. It is a title coined by the people of the world to describe this mysterious powerful figure. It is essentially Kal-El's formal superhero identity to the world.


Currently, Clark has not even begun his training to get to his destiny of being this public superhero, so the road is somewhat long. He could also never be a public figure as farmboy Clark Kent as it would ruin his family and destroy his human identity.

He is only known as what he truely is by Martha and Chloe (who essentially is in the same position the traditional Lana Lang was when she knew about the powers of teenage Clark in the comics). He has not revealed himself to the world.

[greenlantern248]

Has anyone thought about this because this makes sense too.

Kal El came to earth with great power
so isn't it fare to say that Superman (name or no name) is his true idenity and Clark Kent is the disguise.

Think about Batman, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Flash, Spiderman, Captain America, and every superhero that wears a mask. They are wearing the mask to cover there true selves.
Superman doesn't wear a mask so we see what he really looks like. Clark on the other hand wears glasses which is sorta like a mask.
So what I am trying to get at here is Kal El was Superman from the day he landed on earth regardless of title or costume

[avidreader]

Has anyone thought about this because this makes sense too.

Kal El came to earth with great power
so isn't it fare to say that Superman (name or no name) is his true idenity and Clark Kent is the disguise.

Think about Batman, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Flash, Spiderman, Captain America, and every superhero that wears a mask. They are wearing the mask to cover there true selves.
Superman doesn't wear a mask so we see what he really looks like. Clark on the other hand wears glasses which is sorta like a mask.
So what I am trying to get at here is Kal El was Superman from the day he landed on earth regardless of title or costume

That's pretty much the way I see it too Green Lantern.

I think I saw Hulk mention it somewhere that the Clark Kent we see now on Smallville is more like his future Superman self than his Clark Kent future self.

[BenReilly19]

Superman doesn't wear a mask so we see what he really looks like. Clark on the other hand wears glasses which is sorta like a mask.
So what I am trying to get at here is Kal El was Superman from the day he landed on earth regardless of title or costume

Normally, I would agree with that. I personally prefer Superman to be the real persona and Clark Kent to be the disguise. It makes the character unique and sets him apart from every other hero but in Smallville's case, I think they might take a different route.

Didn't Gough and Millar say awhile back in an interview, that in Smallville continuity, Superman would be the disguise?

[Kal-El 8]

Normally, I would agree with that. I personally prefer Superman to be the real persona and Clark Kent to be the disguise. It makes the character unique and sets him apart from every other hero but in Smallville's case, I think they might take a different route.

Didn't Gough and Millar say awhile back in an interview, that in Smallville continuity, Superman would be the disguise?

So Do I. :super:

[Zorex]

On Smallville we see a young man in training to become THE MAN OF STEEL.
But we don't see SUPERMAN .

Till then he's only Kal-EL & Clark Kent .
I heartily agree :up:

[heliorei]

IMHO, every person has a unique perception of the character: some like Kal-El8 see Superman as the real person while others like svmos see Clark Kent as the real persona.

I defend above all real persona is the one we see in every week, in show we love, Smallville.

For me, I don't see Metropolis Clark Kent (MCK) or Superman as the real person: they are extensions of his true nature.


AS Superman, he shows that people can trust him and he serves as an example to other people to follow the right path: he can show his powers to the world, to benefit mankind. But as Superman, he can't act like himself because like everyone else, he has his fears, his doubts and so as an example, he cannot show them.

Here comes MCK: as a result of not wearing a mask, MCK has to wear glasses in order to make a "disguise". Sometimes he acts a little goofy in order people won't suspect and sometimes giving some weird excuses but again because this erratic behavior, he can't be his true self but nevetheless he can have a personal life, opposed as Superman where he is a worldwide known figure.

In my perspective, Superman and Metropolis Clark Kent (MCK) are the balance the true Clark Kent finds in order to help people and have his own personal life.

Why do you I call him the true persona, Clark Kent instead of KaL-El?

Because he sees himself more as a human than kryptonian even if he knows he's not human.

Check talisman (s03e20) when Clark is talking with his parents or Splinter (s05e07) when talks to Fine. that's in Smallville.

In Superman: the animated series, he too relates more to humans than to kryptonians.

[Superman Pwnage]

Normally, I would agree with that. I personally prefer Superman to be the real persona and Clark Kent to be the disguise. It makes the character unique and sets him apart from every other hero but in Smallville's case, I think they might take a different route.

Didn't Gough and Millar say awhile back in an interview, that in Smallville continuity, Superman would be the disguise?

Yes.

[Kal-El 8]

Kal-EL - KRYPTONIAN + Clark Kent - HUMAN = SUPERMAN

Kal-EL is the real deal not Clark Kent,

As SUPERMAN , Kal-EL doesn't have to hid his true Kryptonian self. He is free to be himself 100%. He is Kal-EL : son of Jor-EL & Lara , THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON . He wear's a super suit to use his amazing powers in public to help people who can't help themselves. He also Wear's his Family Crest with great pride and honor on his chest and on the back of his cape.

As Clark Kent [he hids himself both to his friends & Family] He tries to live like a normal human being,To be one of us. But no matter how much he tries, he will never be. [He's is an alien.]

[BenReilly19]

IMHO, every person has a unique perception of the character: some like Kal-El8 see Superman as the real person while others like svmos see Clark Kent as the real persona.

Agreed. Each interpretation has it's own merits. We all have our own view on the character and what makes him unique.

AS Superman, he shows that people can trust him and he serves as an example to other people to follow the right path: he can show his powers to the world, to benefit mankind. But as Superman, he can't act like himself because like everyone else, he has his fears, his doubts and so as an example, he cannot show them.

I have to disagree with you here. The reason why I view Superman as the real persona, is because as Superman, he CAN be himself...

As SUPERMAN , Kal-EL doesn't have to hid his true Kryptonian self. He is free to be himself 100%. He is Kal-EL : son of Jor-EL & Lara , THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON . He wear's a super suit to use his amazing powers in public to help people who can't help themselves. He also Wear's his Family Crest with great pride and honor on his chest and on the back of his cape.

As Clark Kent [he hids himself both to his friends & Family] He tries to live like a normal human being,To be one of us. But no matter how much he tries, he will never be. [He's is an alien.]

Kal-El 8 pretty much nailed it, here. As Superman, he can use his powers in front of the world without fear and his suit is a symbol of his heritage and his people and he wears it proudly. That's something he could never do as Clark.

Think back to STM, when Clark was telling Pa Kent about his true abilities and always having to hide who he really is...

Clark Kent: "Is a person showing off when he's doing the things he's capable of doing? Is a bird showing off when it flies?"


The night Superman revealed himself to the world, for the first time in his life, he didn't have to hide who he really was and it felt great to him. As Clark, he's always trying to hide who he really is and what he can do.

Why do you I call him the true persona, Clark Kent instead of KaL-El?

Because he sees himself more as a human than kryptonian even if he knows he's not human.

See that's the thing. No matter how much he wants it, he'll never be one of them. That's something that Clark finally realized on this week's episode of Smallville. After years of running away from his true heritage, he's finally come to the realization of who he really is and what he must do now.

[BaK]

:whatever:

some people will just never "get" the line:

"He is more human then you can ever be..."

[avidreader]

I have to disagree with you here. The reason why I view Superman as the real persona, is because as Superman, he CAN be himself...

But can he? As Superman he has to set an example. He cant have a relationship with another person. He cant show what his true feelings are.

When he puts on the suit, he is still hiding a part of himself, that side being his human side.

[Kal-El 8]

But can he? As Superman he has to set an example. He cant have a relationship with another person. He cant show what his true feelings are.

When he puts on the suit, he is still hiding a part of himself, that side being his human side.

:huh: Question have you ever read a SUPERMAN COMIC BOOK or for that matter are familiar with any other incarnation of superman, other than that of smallville's version ?

Because if you did then you'd know that this statement that you made makes no sense.

Hello

before Lois knew The secret, SUPERMAN & Lois were in a relationship, not to mention as SUPERMAN [Clark] was able to show his true feelings he had for Lois .[In more ways than One.] heck some newspapers refered to Lois as SUPERMAN's girlfriend . The citizen's of Metropolis knew that as well as the rest of the world . [It really wasn't a secret that SUPERMAN & LOIS were involed in a relationship].

Even the JL members knew In Fact in one issue in The JL post-crisis comic Oliver was the first to ask Sups in one of their meetings @ the watchtower - "So When are you going to stop playing around and pop the question to that Reporter @ The Planet ... Lois Lane ?"]

[BenReilly19]

But can he? As Superman he has to set an example. He cant have a relationship with another person. He cant show what his true feelings are.

I don't think so. In the comics, Clark knew that if he were to ever have a future with Lois, he would have to tell her the truth and show her who he really is and what his true feelings are.

It's that very same reason that Clark lost Lana on Smallville. His secret pretty much destroyed their relationship. Not that I blame the guy, he tried telling her but because of circumstances that were out of his control, it just wasn't meant to be.

When he puts on the suit, he is still hiding a part of himself, that side being his human side.

I think a lot of people mistake the traits the Kents instilled in Clark growing up, as human traits. Good and Evil are universal themes. Jor-El and Lara were good people as well and if they had raised Clark, he would still have grown up to be the same man he is today.

IMO, Clark doesn't have a true human side. Yes, he is the man that he is because of his upbringing and that noble side of himself is more present than ever when he is Superman.

:whatever:

some people will just never "get" the line:

"He is more human then you can ever be..."

:whatever:

I much "prefer" the line:

"Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them."

[Kal-El 8]

I much "prefer" the line:

"Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them."

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/logos-emblems/s-logo.gif
WORD !!!!!!!

[avidreader]

:huh: Question have you ever read a SUPERMAN COMIC BOOK or for that matter are familiar with any other incarnation of superman, other than the smallville's version ?

Because if you did then you'd know that this statement that you made makes no sense.

You are so rude sometimes.

[Kal-El 8]

You are so rude sometimes.

I wasn't been rude, [i'm sorry if you took it that way.]

[avidreader]

I wasn't been rude, [i'm sorry if you took it that way.]

You dont think that its rude to tell me that my post doesnt make sense because I dont share in your love for comic book reading.

I may not have ever picked up a comic book, but it doesnt mean that I dont know what goes on in them and I first fell in love with the character of Superman when I was six years old which is at least twice as long ago as you are old.

I've read all the novels on the character that are out there, watched him in film and have read numerous articles as well.

And I stand by my original point that Superman cannot be in a relationship with anyone, which you also confirmed in your post by pointing out that Superman could not ask Lois Lane to marry him.

[M.O.Steel]

If we want to get technically, this smallville character of clark is actaully the real person. There is actually 3 versions of superman, we have Superman, the uniform, the cop, the law enforcer...then we have clark kent reporter, bubbling, the disguise, and non-attention grabbing reporter...and finally we have the real person, Kal-el, the one in smallville. The character in the show is the real person, who is a person who loves his humans and has human emotions alogn with his insecurities, but also saves others using his "heritage" and does good with it. But as he grows older and realizes that the two can't really be the same person, he split the two into clark kent reporter and superman, which are both extremes of his personalities, yet neither one is really him.

[triplet]

Jeez....

Let me off of this ride....

http://www.sfrisch.com/images/merry_go.jpg

I think I'm going to hurl... It just keeps going around and around and around.

[heliorei]

Agreed. Each interpretation has it's own merits. We all have our own view on the character and what makes him unique.



I have to disagree with you here. The reason why I view Superman as the real persona, is because as Superman, he CAN be himself...



Kal-El 8 pretty much nailed it, here. As Superman, he can use his powers in front of the world without fear and his suit is a symbol of his heritage and his people and he wears it proudly. That's something he could never do as Clark.

Think back to STM, when Clark was telling Pa Kent about his true abilities and always having to hide who he really is...

Clark Kent: "Is a person showing off when he's doing the things he's capable of doing? Is a bird showing off when it flies?"


The night Superman revealed himself to the world, for the first time in his life, he didn't have to hide who he really was and it felt great to him. As Clark, he's always trying to hide who he really is and what he can do.



See that's the thing. No matter how much he wants it, he'll never be one of them. That's something that Clark finally realized on this week's episode of Smallville. After years of running away from his true heritage, he's finally come to the realization of who he really is and what he must do now.

The question you have to ask is this: If Superman is the true persona, why would he choose to have a life as a reporter, to have a job, a life as any ordinary person?

Because he relates himself more as a human than as a Kryptonian.


"Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them."

Your references are all Pre-Crisis: Superman the movie is one of them.

Your Quote came from Jor-El in the Superman: the Movie.





But can he? As Superman he has to set an example. He cant have a relationship with another person. He cant show what his true feelings are.

When he puts on the suit, he is still hiding a part of himself, that side being his human side.

Bingo! :up: :cwink: Thank you.




Question have you ever read a SUPERMAN COMIC BOOK or for that matter are familiar with any other incarnation of superman, other than that of smallville's version ?

Because if you did then you'd know that this statement that you made makes no sense.

Hello

before Lois knew The secret, SUPERMAN & Lois were in a relationship, not to mention as SUPERMAN [Clark] was able to show his true feelings he had for Lois .[In more ways than One.] heck some newspapers refered to Lois as SUPERMAN's girlfriend . The citizen's of Metropolis knew that as well as the rest of the world . [It really wasn't a secret that SUPERMAN & LOIS were involed in a relationship].

Even the JL members knew In Fact in one issue in The JL post-crisis comic Oliver was the first to ask Sups in one of their meetings @ the watchtower - "So When are you going to stop playing around and pop the question to that Reporter @ The Planet ... Lois Lane ?"

I too read the comics and avidreader's perfect sense to me and can you get proof about a Superman Lois relationship beyond friendship? And if it did, it had to be Pre-Crisis...

Because before Clark and Lois married, He tried to pursue a love relationship with Lois as Clark Kent not as Superman.

he even admitted himself if he wanted to pursue a love relationship with Lois as Superman, he would just had to snap his fingers and she would run to him.

besides as a married couple, how does Lois call him? Clark or Smallville...

Bruce Wayne/Batman? Clark...

Lois Lane as Superman's girlfriend? It pretty much ended when Lois married Clark. Besides, it was newspaper like Inquisitor, aka tabloids.

I agree with you when you say he's alien and with power like god thing and he can never be truly be one of us but he tries.

Because if he didnt see himself more related to humans, he would have chosen exile. Example: Kingdom Come.


BTw, check Up, Up Up and Away Part 3 (Superman 651) when Clark has a green lantern ring: he states himself as Clark Kent. And there's a lot more situations like this one I've mentioned.

Like I said before, we all have different perceptions of the character we all love.

In Pre-Crisis, Superman is the real deal, in post Crisis is Clark Kent.

Like I said before, IMHO, Superman and Metropolis Clark Kent are both extensions of his true character.

I believe the true character is the one we see in Smallville, the one who is completely free around the people who truly know him.:up:

[RakuMon]

Here's how I feel about the Superman/Clark debate.

As an Asian American, I see this dillema the same way I see an adopted Asian child being raised by caucasian parents.

Let's say this child was raised to have all the traditions and culture of his new, White American family, and either didn't know or rejected his Asian heritage.

Would this child be considered Asian or caucasian?

See, I'm of two minds regarding this scenario. As an Asian person, it saddens me that this child may not ever truly know his heritage. On the other hand, if he was raised by a truly loving family, what does it matter? In this sense, the child is both. He is Asian by birth, but completely different culturally.

That's kind of how Clark is.

[RakuMon]

I don't know about you guys, buy this pic is screaming to have an \S/ manip'd on his chest!

http://www.kryptonsite.com/staticgallery8.htm

[blksuperman2]

I don't know about you guys, buy this pic is screaming to have an \S/ manip'd on his chest!

http://www.kryptonsite.com/staticgallery8.htm

He looks constipated to me.:huh:

[BaK]

In this sense, the child is both.

true..

but then, you'll always have those-that-just-don't-get-it to tell the child:
You are not one of us..

there are probably as many of them on earth, as there "were" :cwink: on krypton..

[ariellem]

hey this is cool.....do you think we'll get a shot like this in the finale?
I *still* think this looks more like Rob Lowe as Superman than Tom Welling as Superman, no matter whose photo was used...

[superadam87]

Originally posted by neilzy at The Planet Forums (http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=10768&page=71)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/smallville/finaleposter.jpg

[KalKai]

OMFG that's amazing. Gives me chills, loving the shield, 1 of the best manip's ever, fantastic job.

[Whiteflag]

Originally posted by neilzy at The Planet Forums (http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=10768&page=71)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/smallville/finaleposter.jpg

That's an awesome manip! :up:

[AgentPat]

^ Awesome manip! :up:

I just wish I were able to get over that awful suit. :(



Found this cute blurb (excerpt) on the Hampton Roads, Dailypress, VA website - in the "sports" section no less LOL:

Q: Who is your favorite superhero?
A: Superman, because Tom Welling plays him in "Smallville."

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-quickquipsnov.12,0,3018160.story?coll=dp-sports-local

:)

[Whiteflag]

^
Found this cute blurb (excerpt) on the Hampton Roads, Dailypress, VA website - in the "sports" section no less LOL:

Q: Who is your favorite superhero?
A: Superman, because Tom Welling plays him in "Smallville."

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-quickquipsnov.12,0,3018160.story?coll=dp-sports-local

:)

Cute!

[The Incredible Hulk]

Originally posted by neilzy at The Planet Forums (http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=10768&page=71)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/smallville/finaleposter.jpg

thats my new background, although the high neckline still irks me and takes away from Superman's "regal" look....

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Now don't get me wrong, this is a great manip but why do ppl insist on making Tom's manips with this horrible suit from the movie ?

[Serene]

It's an absolutely beautiful manip.. and VERY well done.

That said, I wish he could have used Tom's hands. Those are kind of small in comparison, and for the true Tom connoisseur - his hands are a BIG trademark. ;)

[Serene]

Now don't get me wrong, this is a great manip but why do ppl insist on making Tom's manips with this horrible suit from the movie ?

He used the body from someone's artwork, but he doesn't know who the artist is. He linked the original piece on B.T.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I honestly have never seen what was so bad about the Returns suit...

[Serene]

I honestly have never seen what was so bad about the Returns suit...

I didn't hate the colors as much as some people, although I would have preferred them a bit brighter. They look better in that manip/art though, more vibrant.

What I did absolutely detest about the new suit is the high strangulating neckline. I think it really took so much away from the overall look - even beyond the colors or the shrunken \S/.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I don't mind the colors myself.

The neckline is understandable, but it doesn't bother me.

I like the \S/, simply because of the fact that it's intentionally smaller as sort of a throwback to the old Superman comics, when the shield was really tiny.

[The Incredible Hulk]

the high neckline gives Superman an unusual slender look, it also takes away from how regal his cape usually looks. I'm not a big fan of the "manties" he wears either.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

the high neckline gives Superman an unusual slender look, it also takes away from how regal his cape usually looks. I'm not a big fan of the "manties" he wears either.

I don't mind a more slender Superman. He doesn't really need to be super-bulky IMO.

I guess I just don't mind it as much as others. Oh well. :)

[04nbod]

but he is regal- he's head of the house of el you know.

[avidreader]

It's an absolutely beautiful manip.. and VERY well done.

That said, I wish he could have used Tom's hands. Those are kind of small in comparison, and for the true Tom connoisseur - his hands are a BIG trademark. ;)

That was the first thing I noticed too. If it had been a full body shot I might have noticed other things as well. :cwink:

Whilst it is very well done, I'm not digging the texture of the suit, the high neckline, the S Belt or the 5 o'clock moustache. :woot:

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I've actually kind of always liked the \S/ on the belt. Seems to make more sense (or as much sense, anyway) as the \S/ on the back of the cape.

[Ultimate_Superman]

That is a great picture of Welling as Superman.

[Kaboom]

I've actually kind of always liked the \S/ on the belt. Seems to make more sense (or as much sense, anyway) as the \S/ on the back of the cape.

the \s/ on the cape also has its legion of detractors....(i said legion !)

imho, i think the \s/ on the belt is :down: but the \s/ on the cape is :up:

maybe its bc S:TM is THE version of Supes i grew up with.

[triplet]

the \s/ on the cape also has its legion of detractors....(i said legion !)

imho, i think the \s/ on the belt is :down: but the \s/ on the cape is :up:

maybe its bc S:TM is THE version of Supes i grew up with.

I like the \S/ on the cape, the one on the belt doesn't bother me however.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I prefer Alex Ross Superman to where you have neither \S/ on the cape or belt; the chest is just fine for me. But neither one bothers me as well either.

[Kaboom]

i also prefer that the \s/ on the cape is all yellow, instead of red and yellow

[Ultimate_Superman]

It hasn't been red and yellow in years

[AgentPat]

LOL@teh suit discussion. Well, here's my list (again LOL), for what it's worth. The perfect suit would...

be made from light, thin material with no underlayer and should be form-fitting w/o being constricting. Basically, what you see is what you would get. Light airbrushing to accentuate the actor's natural physique would be wonderful.
be colorful and bright. The blue and red primary colors used in Clark's T-shirts is perfect. Basic yellow for shield and belt, and/or gold for the buckle is fine.
have a cloth cape that will billow freely in a light breeze.
be loose fitting around the collar area. It will show off the actor's neck and a little upper chest skin. He's Superman; let him look "Super."
Those are my biggest requests. If I could get that in a Superman suit, I'd be ECSTATIC!!! Everything else I'll leave up to the costume designer -- 'cause I don't want to be greedy LOL. That would include things like the size of the shield, height of trunks, boot material and heels, length of cape and shoulder attachment, logos on the cape, belt, suit fabric, etc.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

What Pat has said plus the logo on the cape.

[phil]

Nice manip, very well done but SR'd suit brings it down. The cape attachment is the worse attachment I've ever seen on Superman but again great job!

[ariellem]

...Whilst it is very well done, I'm not digging the texture of the suit, the high neckline, the S Belt or the 5 o'clock moustache. :woot:

Texture doesn't bother me too much - depends on the context.

Without the 5 o'clock shadow, TW looks awfully young to be in the suit.

Neckline does need to be lower and wider, so the suit can hide under a t-shirt-under-flannel! :cwink:

And yes, use his real (big!) hands...

[AgentPat]

Without the 5 o'clock shadow, TW looks awfully young to be in the suit...Well... maybe so, but he's almost 30, which is six years older than Reeve was when he first donned the tights LOL.

No doubt, Welling has features that give him a youthful appearance (large eyes, short chin, etc.) but they accentuate it with make-up and hair style. They make his eyes look even bigger with eyeliner (hard to believe), comb his hair down over his forehead (bangs make a HUUUUUGE difference), give him lipstick that no man should ever have to wear (LOL), and paint him with enough foundation to permanently seal up every last pore on his face. At the end of the day, he probably peels off his make-up like a mask. Poor guy. It's no wonder he lets his hair and beard grow during hiatuses.

Basically, he looks young because he's supposed to. But his actual age squeaks through when he's not made up, and sometimes even on extreme close-ups...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/fragile4b.jpg http://www.patcostello.com/temp/reckoning5.jpg

Given today's CGI effects and practical make-up knowledge and ability, actual age is really a non-issue. I look more at things like bone structure and eyes, 'cause while they *can* change that stuff, I'd rather they didn't. The very features that give Welling such a different look can be used to drive home the preternatural alien qualities that should be inherent in Superman - and as fate would have it, Welling has those features in spades - starting with his face and eyes...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/crusade8.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/splinter4.jpg

BTW, if I didn't already say, welcome to the Hype, Ariellem. :D :up:

[avidreader]

Niiiice Pat!!!!

I do so love it, when you treat us to a little Welling study. :yay:

[RakuMon]

That was the first thing I noticed too. If it had been a full body shot I might have noticed other things as well. :cwink:

Whilst it is very well done, I'm not digging the texture of the suit, the high neckline, the S Belt or the 5 o'clock moustache. :woot:

This is a very good manip! :up:
It's unfortunate the SR suit is the base, but it still works!
I too don't like the high neck and the "texture."
Especially the texture on the shield. That's one of the things that really irked me about the original suit.

I did like that the maniper used the Smallville shield though. Nice touch!

[SamuraiSon6]

Originally posted by neilzy at The Planet Forums (http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=10768&page=71)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/smallville/finaleposter.jpg

i'm only up to the middle of season 4 right now so im not sure exactly where smallville is headed (and i don't want to be spoiled) but i hope that they would continue the series at least a little way with him as superman and not just the final episode of the series....thats just an awesome pic and makes me want it even more

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Shame the WB is going to cheat their fans like this... Welling has that Reeve type aura about him with this character.

You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what bugs me the most.

[heliorei]

Well... maybe so, but he's almost 30, which is six years older than Reeve was when he first donned the tights LOL.

No doubt, Welling has features that give him a youthful appearance (large eyes, short chin, etc.) but they accentuate it with make-up and hair style. They make his eyes look even bigger with eyeliner (hard to believe), comb his hair down over his forehead (bangs make a HUUUUUGE difference), give him lipstick that no man should ever have to wear (LOL), and paint him with enough foundation to permanently seal up every last pore on his face. At the end of the day, he probably peels off his make-up like a mask. Poor guy. It's no wonder he lets his hair and beard grow during hiatuses.

Basically, he looks young because he's supposed to. But his actual age squeaks through when he's not made up, and sometimes even on extreme close-ups...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/fragile4b.jpg http://www.patcostello.com/temp/reckoning5.jpg

Given today's CGI effects and practical make-up knowledge and ability, actual age is really a non-issue. I look more at things like bone structure and eyes, 'cause while they *can* change that stuff, I'd rather they didn't. The very features that give Welling such a different look can be used to drive home the preternatural alien qualities that should be inherent in Superman - and as fate would have it, Welling has those features in spades - starting with his face and eyes...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/crusade8.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/splinter4.jpg

BTW, if I didn't already say, welcome to the Hype, Ariellem. :D :up:



I agree with you specially since when we see Tom Welling with short hair he resembles more his true age. Check legacy (s03e17).

Put that man with short hair and glasses and bingo....Metropolis Clark Kent :up:

[blksuperman2]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/splinter4.jpg



Looks like Bill Bixby right before He turns into Lou Ferrirgno.:hulk:

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Originally posted by neilzy at The Planet Forums (http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=10768&page=71)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/smallville/finaleposter.jpg

Awful. He needs to shave his teeny bopper moustache.

[Serene]

Looks like Bill Bixby right before He turns into Lou Ferrirgno.:hulk:

LOL.. you know, you're right. There is a similarity.

Of course, I always had a crush on Bill Bixby too. But more the "Courtship of Eddie's Father" version as opposed to the Hulk one.

(I know.. 90% of the people here have no idea what I'm talking about. Now shutup and hand me my cane. ;) )

[blksuperman2]

But more the "Courtship of Eddie's Father" version as opposed to the Hulk one.



Yes ma'am. You have lost me.:huh:

[Serene]

Yes ma'am. You have lost me.:huh:

"ma'am"
*sigh*

;) j/k ya, blk.

[blksuperman2]

"ma'am"
*sigh*

;) j/k ya, blk.

Just a play on words. You implied that you were old so I called u ma'am.:cwink: :woot:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Awful. He needs to shave his teeny bopper moustache.

It's called a 5 o'clock shadow, it's something you'll get when you hit puberty

[ariellem]

Well... maybe so, but he's almost 30, which is six years older than Reeve was when he first donned the tights LOL.
...
BTW, if I didn't already say, welcome to the Hype, Ariellem. :D :up:

Yeah, he's a year and a half younger than my brother but seems sooo much more mature. Probably because he's not related! LOL.

Thanks for the welcome :-> I just started posting in the SV sections in the last week or so; before that, I was pretty much in the SR sections. I'd avoided SV until we started watching it; got instantly hooked (after resisting for the first five years of the series because I was afraid The WB would make it too dopey and sappy and TomKat-ish).

[Kaboom]

yes, we are the red headed step-children of the super-verse

[AgentPat]

yes, we are the red headed step-children of the super-verseAnd proud of it, doncha know! :woot:

[Ultimate_Superman]

NO SV isn't the red headed step child. In fact many people like SV the problem comes with the fans. How you view SR/Comic fans is how they view you in the same. Most don't have a problem with the show they have a problem with you.

[AgentPat]

NO SV isn't the red headed step child. In fact many people like SV the problem comes with the fans. How you view SR/Comic fans is how they view you in the same. Most don't have a problem with the show they have a problem with you.Well DUH!!! That's what "we" means, or did you miss that part All Star?

[Ultimate_Superman]

When you said We I thought you meant the show. Because the show is not the red-headed step child of the Superman world. That honor belongs to Lois and Clark (although I loved that show) :(. But as far as fans go then yea you guys pretty much take the cake.

[The Kid]

Originally posted by neilzy at The Planet Forums (http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=10768&page=71)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/smallville/finaleposter.jpg

Except for that cheap plastic holloween costume from KMART, that looks really good.

As some may know I like the superman with the long hair for some reason. I don't know what it is but I thought when they gave him long flowing hair, it looked cooler.

I thought Smallville would have Welling come out of the zone sporting some long hair and a jesus beard, but of course I keep forgetting he's supposed to be playing superboy...

damnit...

[Kaboom]

NO SV isn't the red headed step child. In fact many people like SV the problem comes with the fans. How you view SR/Comic fans is how they view you in the same. Most don't have a problem with the show they have a problem with you.

I went to the University of Florida (If You're not a Gator, you're Gator bait[Between Spurrier, the most penalized team in the SEC every year, Georgia having beaten us once in like the past 15 meetings, the largest public university in the southeast, the most academically rigourous and hardest university in Florida to get into, and now that we're a basketball power, and having put together a pretty darn good baseball club too]) for Undergrad.
I went to the University of Miami (Hurricanes, 5 National Championships) for Law School.
I am a fan of Smallville.

People have hated me and my affiliations my whole life. The one common thing among all of them though, is not only do we accept being hated, we welcome it, having adopted the following as our mantra:

"You just hate us, Because you ain't us."

[Ultimate_Superman]

^ok

[The Incredible Hulk]

When you said We I thought you meant the show. Because the show is not the red-headed step child of the Superman world. That honor belongs to Lois and Clark (although I loved that show) :(. But as far as fans go then yea you guys pretty much take the cake.

who died and made you the dictator of the Super-verse? :confused:

[Ultimate_Superman]

who died and made you the dictator of the Super-verse? :confused:You did.

[Serene]

I went to the University of Florida (If You're not a Gator, you're Gator bait[Between Spurrier, the most penalized team in the SEC every year, Georgia having beaten us once in like the past 15 meetings, the largest public university in the southeast, the most academically rigourous and hardest university in Florida to get into, and now that we're a basketball power, and having put together a pretty darn good baseball club too]) for Undergrad.
I went to the University of Miami (Hurricanes, 5 National Championships) for Law School.
I am a fan of Smallville.

People have hated me and my affiliations my whole life. The one common thing among all of them though, is not only do we accept being hated, we welcome it, having adopted the following as our mantra:

"You just hate us, Because you ain't us."

Dude.. try adding "Clana fan" into that mix. ;)

Meh.

[Zorex]

Except for that cheap plastic holloween costume from KMART, that looks really good.

Do you know if they sell that costume at most KMarts? Because seriously, that thing looks like it fits waaay better than most store-bought costumes. Man, if it goes for the same price as the rest...damn. Awesome. :up:

[The Kid]

You can probably get one if they're still on sale.

The kid in my avy is wearing one.

Edit, Ok by the power of Google, I found what you seek:

http://trus.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pTRU1-2884266reg.jpg
http://www.toysrus.com/sm-superman-returns-child-costume-size-small--pi-2301942.html

It's not from Kmart though. But it's not a bad price, under 7 bucks for the costume. This costume will make any man feel super with it's padded muscles to add that special something the ladies like. Make her swoon by spinning gracefully around in your maroon cape. You'll be a real fashion-trend setter too with your shiny plastic S and multiple emblem distribution so when the ladies look at your crotch, they know you're the most Super man in the room. Buy it now!

[Zorex]

Nope, nope, that's not quite the one I'm looking for. But thanks for the help. :up:

[SolidSnakeMGS]

It's called a 5 o'clock shadow, it's something you'll get when you hit puberty

LOL, you must have the old "Internet Insults for Dummys" edition. Doesn't the next chapter encourage calling people virgins or pointing out that they live in their parent's basement? OOps, you'll have to skip a few chapters ahead now! Sorry!

BTW, you're wrong. A 5 o'clock shadow goes around the jawline and around the upper and lower lip. He has peach fuzz.

[AgentPat]

LOL, you must have the old "Internet Insults for Dummys" edition. Doesn't the next chapter encourage calling people virgins or pointing out that they live in their parent's basement? OOps, you'll have to skip a few chapters ahead now! Sorry!

BTW, you're wrong. A 5 o'clock shadow goes around the jawline and around the upper and lower lip. He has peach fuzz.How old are you? Seriously? It's a manip OF a manip, and the only thing you can think about saying is that he needs to shave his "teeny bopper" moustache? :confused:

C'mon dude. You have almost 3200 posts at the Hype, and this only your second post in this forum. Are you really here to just state an opinion?

Welling doesn't have "peach fuzz." Like his hair, his beard is very dark. Considering the age of the character he plays, he's probably asked to shave his face more than Rosenbaum shaves his head. That's gotta get old after a while, which is why you'll see THIS in between shooting breaks...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/redsox5.jpg

[Ultimate_Superman]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/redsox5.jpgThats how he looks when he doesnt want people to know Clark Kent is in the house.

[AgentPat]

That's how he looks when he doesn't want people to know Clark Kent is in the house.LOL! Kinda difficult when the jumbotron at Fenway Park read Smallville's Superman Tom Welling was there to throw out the first pitch for the Red Sox/Mets game that day, but I know what you mean. :D

I think he likes to disappear into a crowd whenever he can. Poor guy. ;)

[ariellem]

So funny! The first time I saw that series of pix, I didn't think it was really him. WOW, that facial hair (neck beard) makes a difference!

He's lucky that he is able to change his appearance so easily by growing his hair out - many celebs are still recognizable no matter what they do and just can't blend in easily. This one - the beard hides his unusual jawline/cheeks and makes him look more like an average guy. Curious as to what the rest of his hair looks like under that hat. Is it really curly or just at the ends?

On a similar note: when he's done with the show and stops waxing his chest, he'll probably have quite a rug!

[Bnightwing]

lol i kinda had the same thread lol


1.)clark wheres either blue or red shirt jaket or somethin all the time
2.)the crystal rya gives his is the superman symbol (duh!)
3.)in episode snezze at the end when chloe and clark are about to go to the lake chloe brings a kite in the shape of the superman shape&with the 3 superman colors blue,red,yellow.
4.)in reunion when lois say why dont you guys meet up and all that the other guy (not oliver) says well I got to get back to gotham.
p.s i cant spell great

[ariellem]

Thats how he looks when he doesnt want people to know Clark Kent is in the house.

Yeah, but sometimes he's in a hurry!!! :yay:

http://www.imstumped.com/pix/misc/manips/tw_as_supes_scruffyredsox_STMTWelling_v.jpg http://www.imstumped.com/pix/misc/manips/tw_as_supes_scruffyredsox_STMTWelling_h.jpg

[Serene]

A really nice one by Laurab:
(reposted with permission)

http://pics.livejournal.com/laurab1/pic/00059673

[avidreader]

Do you think everyone will quit doing these manips, once Tom really does appear in the suit?

[The Kid]

Depends on how he looks.

[Spider-Gamer]

Do you think everyone will quit doing these manips, once Tom really does appear in the suit?
No they won't. :yay:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Do you think everyone will quit doing these manips, once Tom really does appear in the suit?Really depends on if he will. As I said before the producers can say all they want but if WB says no then thats it Tom will not be in the suit. I hope they do show him in the suit or atleast give us a shirt rip but if they dont I wont be shocked either.

[Serene]

Do you think everyone will quit doing these manips, once Tom really does appear in the suit?

I think.. we'll have even more. And better. :)

[AgentPat]

Meh... because I felt like it.
I was bored.
And YouTube is cool. :D :up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSHd_iVgIAc <- Niiiiice editing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PI8ztLxdB4 <- Avid, KLEENEX! pronto!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDkECg7g7XY < - Raku, KLEENEX! pronto! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYJCoL0FaZk <- "SV: Metropolis" opening credits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ztSIWPz5V8 <- "SV: Justice League" opening credits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLj7hHMHDDM <- Justice League, SV style #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6WxwX002rA <- Justice League, SV style #2

Oh yeah... and, um... just two more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nccSNLz0HxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PfX-c7h7gQ

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[Kaboom]

A really nice one by Laurab:
(reposted with permission)

http://pics.livejournal.com/laurab1/pic/00059673
whoa looks like z has some competition

[RakuMon]

Meh... because I felt like it.
I was bored.
And YouTube is cool. :D :up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSHd_iVgIAc <- Niiiiice editing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PI8ztLxdB4 <- Avid, KLEENEX! pronto!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDkECg7g7XY < - Raku, KLEENEX! pronto! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYJCoL0FaZk <- "SV: Metropolis" opening credits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ztSIWPz5V8 <- "SV: Justice League" opening credits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLj7hHMHDDM <- Justice League, SV style #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6WxwX002rA <- Justice League, SV style #2

Oh yeah... and, um... just two more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nccSNLz0HxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PfX-c7h7gQ

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Hmmm...

Don't quite get the cryptic emoticons. Can you PM me why you think these vids would get you banned? And what's Jack got to do with all of it?

PS> That Krypton trailer? The shiznit! Really did bring a tear.
(Although the maker of said vid seems to be a Chlois believer. Ah well. Can't win 'em all!)

[Zorex]

PS> That Krypton trailer? The shiznit! Really did bring a tear.
(Although the maker of said vid seems to be a Chlois believer. Ah well. Can't win 'em all!)
Which one? This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nccSNLz0HxU

[AgentPat]

Hmmm...

Don't quite get the cryptic emoticons. Can you PM me why you think these vids would get you banned? And what's Jack got to do with all of it?Nothing at all. I was just being silly. VERY silly. The last two vids took scenes from SR and intercut them with scenes from SV. The motivation to create such a thing is open to interpretation. I just thought Jack would find it... interesting. ;)

PS> That Krypton trailer? The shiznit! Really did bring a tear.
(Although the maker of said vid seems to be a Chlois believer. Ah well. Can't win 'em all!)Y'know, I never even noticed that. (The Chlois stuff.) I just watch the vids for the package - how well it was put together - does it "work," etc. This one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PI8ztLxdB4) blew me away because it was so emotional - so full of depth and feeling. THAT's how I *want* to feel after watching a show/film about Superman. It was just really nice. :)

[Serene]

These have been posted here before I'm sure.. probably a zillion pages back though.

This is the one I was referring to. I think it's gorgeous.

Tom as Superman, by Puckenstein.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1328/puckwelling2tj6.jpg

Here's another one he did.. Note the nice neckline. :up:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3029/puckwelling1ko3.jpg

[Whiteflag]

These have been posted here before I'm sure.. probably a zillion pages back though.

This is the one I was referring to. I think it's gorgeous.

Tom as Superman, by Puckenstein.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1328/puckwelling2tj6.jpg

Here's another one he did.. Note the nice neckline. :up:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3029/puckwelling1ko3.jpg

Those are gorgeous, Serene! Thanks to Puckenstein for making them and to you for reposting! :heart: :heart:

[RakuMon]

USA Today runs down all the actors who've portrayed Superman, from Kirk Alyn to Tom. Each actor feature's comments from Dick Donner and B. Routh.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/gallery/l061127_superman/flash.htm

PS. Routh kinda disses Dean Cain.

[blksuperman2]

USA Today runs down all the actors who've portrayed Superman, from Kirk Alyn to Tom. Each actor feature's comments from Dick Donner and B. Routh.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/gallery/l061127_superman/flash.htm

PS. Routh kinda disses Dean Cain.

Routh sounds like an idiot. His sentences don't make any sense, especially the last one about Welling.:huh:

[AgentPat]

Pfft. At least Routh's comments were appropriately specific to Welling and his character, not some perfunctory footnote about the show that could have been lifted off a basic One Sheet distributed by the studio.

Has Donner even seen SMALLVILLE?

And would it have *really* been that difficult to use a more representative promo of Welling from the show...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/vessel-b.jpg

...instead of a one that makes Clark Kent look like a belligerent bully...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/mortal11.jpg

WTF? Seriously?

Gah! Whatever. The show will always be the red-headed stepchild, so I guess I should be thankful it was even included to begin with. :whatever:

[Kaboom]

dont you mean red headed longest running superman show ever step child?

[AgentPat]

dont you mean red headed longest running superman show ever step child?Indeed! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/cool.gif

[Zorex]

Routh sounds like an idiot. His sentences don't make any sense, especially the last one about Welling.:huh:
Oh jeezus. Very nice they are, precious...

[FanboyX_Returns]

Routh sounds like an idiot. His sentences don't make any sense, especially the last one about Welling.:huh:

Yeah, and why he gotta be dissin Dean Cain for?
I agree tho Routh sounds like an idiot even in interviews he sounds crackish...

[Kal-El 8]

He's got a point as Superman Cain sucked. As Mild Mannered Reporter : Clark Kent he was good .

And IMO Tom shouldn't even be up their since he's yet to don the famous super suit or recived the title, not to mention his homebase is in Kansas in his barn, Where as BIG Blue's home base is in Metropolis and Lois Lane is the center of his universe . Until the series finale Welling still isn't SUPERMAN IMO .

[triplet]

Until the series finale Welling still isn't SUPERMAN IMO .

v--- check out the sig, KE8...

the tights are costuming, Clark's Superman already. He could have an outhouse in Timbuktu as his homebase and he'd still be Superman.

[AgentPat]

YO! Kal...

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[Ultimate_Superman]

So its okay for every one else here to put down Dean Cains Superman??? Remember Routh was a fan before he was Superman so as a fan he may have felt the same way as everyone else that Cain's Clark was good but his Superman was poor because there was no change between the two. Also Triplet as nice as your sig is he is at the wrong period of his life to be called Superman if anything he is Superboy right now.

[Ultimate_Superman]

He's got a point as Superman Cain sucked. As Mild Mannered Reporter : Clark Kent he was good .

And IMO Tom shouldn't even be up their since he's yet to don the famous super suit or recived the title, not to mention his homebase is in Kansas in his barn, Where as BIG Blue's home base is in Metropolis and Lois Lane is the center of his universe . Until the series finale Welling still isn't SUPERMAN IMO .Correct he (Welling) has yet to make the changes that will make him Superman. When SV has him working for the Daily Planet, putting on the tights, leaving Lana and SV behind and setting up home base in Metropolis then he has become Superman.

[AgentPat]

You too, All Star...

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<- aint taking this poop seriously anymore. Causes too many grey hairs! :mad:

[triplet]

So its okay for every one else here to put down Dean Cains Superman??? Remember Routh was a fan before he was Superman so as a fan he may have felt the same way as everyone else that Cain's Clark was good but his Superman was poor because there was no change between the two. Also Triplet as nice as your sig is he is at the wrong period of his life to be called Superman if anything he is Superboy right now.

He's 20, or nearly so... He's not a boy.

It's a semantic debate that is hard to win on either side.

*shrug*

Personally, I think he was born as "Superman", with how the Kents raised him merely cementing his innate goodness.

He has all of the most important personality traits that the tight wearing Supes has.

I stick by my sig: the tights are just costuming, but furthermore where he lives doesn't really matter.

Clark Kent *is* superman.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Okay then to you he may be Superman but even Welling himself has stated he is not Superman so why force a title on him till he becomes the man?

[Ultimate_Superman]

He's 20, or nearly so... He's not a boy.

It's a semantic debate that is hard to win on either side.

*shrug*

Personally, I think he was born as "Superman", with how the Kents raised him merely cementing his innate goodness.

He has all of the most important personality traits that the tight wearing Supes has.

I stick by my sig: the tights are just costuming, but furthermore where he lives doesn't really matter.

Clark Kent *is* superman.I agree but then you have this problem Superboy (Golden Age) was Superboy up in his 20's then became Superman around the age of 25. As I said before to you he is Superman but his not officially Superman yet. He will become Superman once he embraces who he is and puts on the tights.

[blksuperman2]

I agree but then you have this problem Superboy (Golden Age) was Superboy up in his 20's then became Superman around the age of 25. As I said before to you he is Superman but his not officially Superman yet. He will become Superman once he embraces who he is and puts on the tights.

This is the best description of his character that I agree with.

He is Superman, he just isn't officially Superman. I like that.:ninja:

[Kal-El 8]

I prefer the version in which Kal-EL/SUPERMAN is the real person and Clark Kent is just the disguise . Same for Bruce Wayne and BATMAN as Well as Peter Parker / SPIDER-MAN .

[AgentPat]

LOL! :rolleyes:

Oh well, here we go again...........


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Okay, I'm ready. Lets go. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/boxer.gif


If folks are going to argue there's no Superman in SV, Superboy doesn't exist either. Putting aside the tights argument and the Golden Age similarities, there is the matter of that pesky lawsuit, so the writers aren't even going to joke about the similarities anymore. (You won't here any more "Superboy" cracks going forward, but you will hear plenty of "super man" references). ;)

[triplet]

I prefer the version in which Kal-EL/SUPERMAN is the real person and Clark Kent is just the disguise . Same for Bruce Wayne and BATMAN as Well as Peter Parker / SPIDER-MAN .

How can Clark be the disguise when he's, by your argument, not even "superman" yet?

You can't have it both ways, Kal.

[Kal-El 8]

How can Clark be the disguise when he's, by your argument, not even "superman" yet?

You can't have it both ways, Kal.

I'm talking about MILD MANNERED REPORTER Clark Kent of The Daily Planet , not the Farmboy Clark on smallville by Welling.

[Ultimate_Superman]

If folks are going to argue there's no Superman in SV, Superboy doesn't exist either. Putting aside the tights argument and the Golden Age similarities, there is the matter of that pesky lawsuit, so the writers aren't even going to joke about the similarities anymore. (You won't here any more "Superboy" cracks going forward, but you will hear plenty of "super man" references). ;)Well it would be nice to hear even Superman references but you dont. As I said before Welling as well as the producers have told us time and time again he is not Superman nor playing Superman. As I've said to you (some SV fans) he may be Superman but he is not Superman yet nor is playing Superman we already have three people now doing that. Welling is Clark Kent before Superman which is not bad at all.

[Kaboom]

check out my new sig

[AgentPat]

I've never argued the MCK/Superman point; neither character AS a "character" has shown up yet in SV. "Clark Kent" (as the Metropolis disguise) and "Superman" (as the flying man in tights) aren't characters on SV, which is ironic considering it's a show *technically* about Superman. What we have right now is the real deal, which is probably why so many people like him this way. There IS no disguise (yet.) Clark keeps secrets, but he doesn't hide who he is on a visual or functionary level.

There was an old episode of L&C where Clark had to fool Lois by running back and forth in his apt, alternately "playing" himself and Superman. He ran the water and told her Superman was taking a shower. Her comment was, "He's taking a shower? With his clothes off?" or something along those lines. It was wicked funny, but it really drove home the difference in perceptions of the "two" individuals. And Cain didn't play his Clark goofy or nerdish.

By contrast, it's just another day in Smallville to see Clark without a shirt (well, maybe not so much this season LOLOL), or otherwise doing very non-Superman-ish type things. But he also has all the powers and has even flown. The Superman \S/, aka symbol for the House of El, is seen in almost every episode, but thus far, we still only see the *real* person in Clark. It will be quite fitting if he uses "Kal-El" as his code-name in Justice...

Anyhoo... I gotta get back to "work." BBL to argue more. LOL ;)

[Serene]

It's all semantics, guys.

In every way that is meaningful - Tom is playing Superman.

The suit will just be gravy. VERY VERY GOOD gravy, granted.

That's how I seez it, anyway. Can we please stop arguing about this? How about we all agree that to some of us he IS Supes (because he really is ;)), and to some, he's not - yet. And to a poor misguided few, he never will be.

[Ultimate_Superman]

check out my new sigWhat the hell are you talking about a Journey. Superman is no where near a journey once he leaves Smallville Smallville is more of the journey.