Tom Welling as Superman

[Serene]

Thanks avid and 'flag. :) I've pretty much decided that I'm a total Superman heretic, because I prefer him with those unearthly green eyes.

[Wilde]

Here is my concept design of a "Justice" style Superman costume. I think if Oliver made a costume for Clark, it would look something like this:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8456/justice002to8copy9uk.jpg

[blksuperman2]

^ I don't know, using Aquabro's design makes his suit look too much like a wetsuit. The color scheme looks pretty cool. I'd add more light blue highlights throughout the leg area to give more of a leather feel.

[Antrax255]

Not bashing but come on now I know someone could do a better manip hence the Tom Welling as Superman thread

[The Incredible Hulk]

someone needs to use Tom's head from when he was Jor-EL in Relic and had the slicked back and parted hair

[Cyrusbales]

that whole concept does have a very power rangers ring to it....


couldn't they make it a little more pratical, to go with the initial idea's of smallville?

[ariellem]

that whole concept does have a very power rangers ring to it....

You mean the color-coding? That's to help the folks who only watch an occasional episode talk to the regulars s.t. we don't have to ask, "WHO???":

"Honey, that red guy was really fast in this week's episode! How come he's always hitting on the other guys' girlfriends? And that orange guy - wow, he can really swim, can't he?"

[phil]

Here's my latest drawing. It's not quite done and this digitial photo is terrible, you can't see much of the important detail especially in the face. I don't have time to photoshop right now to look more like the original but you can get a good look at it.....
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/justice1.jpg

[Brainiac 8]

Very good Phil...you're a talented artist.:yay:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Nice Phil

Is that supposed to be Batman in the background

[phil]

thanks guys, yes it is All-Star, was it the pointy ears that gave that away? :oldrazz:

[AgentPat]

Hey, that's pretty cool, Phil. Nice work! :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

You know they way you did Batman it looks like you gave him AzzBat's mask (Full face mask) like when he was first starting out after knightfall. I think that was the best Batman outfit ever IMO.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/8/84/180px-Det667.jpg

Pure Badass

[phil]

If you look really close you can see the skin color in his face. It doesn't show as good as the original which sucks, I'll have to spend a night on this to make it look better as soon as I can.

[Migu-EL]

Very good drawing. I'm really feeling Superman's costume. You're a talented artist.

[RakuMon]

You know they way you did Batman it looks like you gave him AzzBat's mask (Full face mask) like when he was first starting out after knightfall. I think that was the best Batman outfit ever IMO.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/8/84/180px-Det667.jpg

Pure Badass

Errr... I'll pretend I didn't hear that.

Though I will, begrudgingly, admit that the Knightfall story is what kickstarted me back into comics in the early 90s.

Still hate the AzBat costume though.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Errr... I'll pretend I didn't hear that.

Though I will, begrudgingly, admit that the Knightfall story is what kickstarted me back into comics in the early 90s.

Still hate the AzBat costume though.
In action that outfit was nice I hate how the cape changed towards the end but before the Batmobile he used and outfit were nice.

[Migu-EL]

On the Yahoo front page there's a section on T.V's favorite superhero's and Smallville's Tom Welling was on the top. Just thought I would share that with you guys.:up:

[MJZ]

My first foray in SV vid-making. Enjoy!

Fly Like An Eagle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52NKfRrJVQ)

[Superman1980]

My first foray in SV vid-making. Enjoy!

Fly Like An Eagle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52NKfRrJVQ)

your link doesn't work. it just says that the video isn't available

[Superman1980]

Here is my concept design of a "Justice" style Superman costume. I think if Oliver made a costume for Clark, it would look something like this:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8456/justice002to8copy9uk.jpg


I actually really like this idea. I obviously prefer the way the superman suit is supposed to look but as a "Justice" style suit i think it fits in well. Good work!!

[MJZ]

your link doesn't work. it just says that the video isn't available

It'll be a little while yet...

[FanboyX_Returns]

Here is my concept design of a "Justice" style Superman costume. I think if Oliver made a costume for Clark, it would look something like this:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8456/justice002to8copy9uk.jpg

heh I actually like that suit alot... Just add a cape, and long sleves, and you got a winner IMO! :woot:

[FanboyX_Returns]

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1843/3justice002to82copy5tu.jpg


look hard enough, and you shall find! heh awesome manip! :woot:

[Superman1980]

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1843/3justice002to82copy5tu.jpg


look hard enough, and you shall find! heh awesome manip! :woot:

this suit gets my vote :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

[RakuMon]

:wow: Apparently, there's a rumor going 'round H'wood that the Mulroney's JLA script wants to feature Batman mentoring a younger WW and a Supes!

And guess who the studio's pushing to play Superman? :cwink:

No kidding. It's on MSN right now!

http://movies.msn.com/movies/hitlist/02-27-07_4?GT1=7701

Last week's announcement that Warner Bros. was developing a movie version of the classic superhero group the Justice League of America, entitled "Justice League," was a dream many geeks never thought would happen. Even more exciting was that Variety reported the movie wouldn't just include Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman but also possibly longtime JLA members The Flash, Aquaman, Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter. How the screenwriters, Kieran and Michele Mulroney, will make it all work is anyone's guess. More importantly, can the studio convince the current movie versions of Superman and Batman, Brandon Routh and Christian Bale, respectively, to come on board another franchise?

As it currently stands, Christopher Nolan's "Batman Begins" sequel, "The Dark Knight," will begin shooting this spring for a 2008 release. Warner Bros. expects a new "Superman" movie from Bryan Singer in 2009. They also recently announced that "Night at the Museum" director Shawn Levy would take the reigns of "The Flash." New screenwriters were also brought on board for the long-delayed "Wonder Woman" feature. Would that push "Justice League" to 2010 or beyond? Or, could it become the cinematic launching pad for both characters? The studio has experienced this scenario before. It developed a Batman and Superman project, "World's Finest," that Wolfgang Petersen spearheaded, while at the same time investing in the individual features that became "Batman Begins" and "Superman Returns." Ultimately, the solo projects got the go ahead and "Finest" was put on the shelf. It's possible the studio may go with either a "League" movie or solo pictures for the scarlet speedster and the amazing Amazon -- after scripts for all three are worked on. This won't thrill the individual producers working on all these projects, but it might up the ante to churn out something worth spending the big bucks on.

In the meantime, word was circulating that one of the ideas the Mulroneys had was to structure "League" with an older Batman who was guiding a younger Superman and Wonder Woman. The rumor ends with the studio wanting Tom Welling (Smallville) portraying the younger Man of Steel, but that's hard to believe considering Routh is more than two years younger than his TV counterpart. Because both Routh and Bale have multiyear deals to play their respective characters, it wouldn't be surprising to see a "League" movie negotiated as one of their current commitments.

Would you rather see a "Justice League" movie or individual flicks for "The Flash" and "Wonder Woman"? Send your thoughts and comments to buzz@microsoft.com.

[AssMan]

I personally would like to see Justice League movies. These would be the perfect way to introduce new characters to the audience & then spin them off into their own movies. It is working for the Silver Surfer. It is nice to see that there are updates about this.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I am all for Welling playing in the Justice League movie. However I will take this news with a grain of salt. But if Welling is to be Superman is the movie good deal.

[AssMan]

I am all for Welling playing in the Justice League movie. However I will take this news with a grain of salt. But if Welling is to be Superman is the movie good deal.

If true it would depend on Welling & if he did accept it I guess there could always be a Metropolis Spin off with Lois & Jimmy at The Daily Planet & Chloes fate is unknown at this time

[AgentPat]

:wow: Apparently, there's a rumor going 'round H'wood that the Mulroney's JLA script wants to feature Batman mentoring a younger WW and a Supes!

And guess who the studio's pushing to play Superman?I swear this tune just popped into my head...

http://www.whitesnakeitalia.it/discografia/immagini/Whitesnake-Here-I-Go-Again-150633.jpg

[Ultimate_Superman]

What I think this depends on is if Routh and Bale are on board for this movie. I mean Bale already has said he would love to do a Superhero movie with Routh and him as Superman and Batman but with their solo movies in progress I doubt they will be able to unless it is Superman vs Batman. So I guess the studio already has there back up option in place in case they cant do it.

[AssMan]

If this really happens though I wonder what will happen to the current movies of Batman & Superman. The Superman Returns Sequel is happening according to the article & The Dark Knights story is a 2 parter which will directly lead into Part 3. Will the WB force Nolan to change the story so it can fit into a Justice League movie & the same with Singer & his Superman movies ? Or if they recast Superman with Tom Welling will they recast Batman ?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Because both Routh and Bale have multiyear deals to play their respective characters, it wouldn't be surprising to see a "League" movie negotiated as one of their current commitments.

I think this however will be what happens more then likely.

[AssMan]

I think this however will be what happens more then likely.

If they do not re cast I would think that the second sequels of their current movies would lead into a Justice League movie but they would have to change the stories around.

[Ultimate_Superman]

If this really happens though I wonder what will happen to the current movies of Batman & Superman. The Superman Returns Sequel is happening according to the article & The Dark Knights story is a 2 parter which will directly lead into Part 3. Will the WB force Nolan to change the story so it can fit into a Justice League movie & the same with Singer & his Superman movies ? Or if they recast Superman with Tom Welling will they recast Batman ?More then likely they will proably do both if thats the case because like Batman the sequel to Man of Steel is suppose to be a two parter ala like how Singer did X2 setting up for X3 (which we never got):csad:. So I don't see where they would have the time for it unless they re-cast or re-did their contracts.

[AssMan]

With Singer & his second Superman Sequel they can easily fit the Second Sequel so it goes into a Justice League movie. But with The Dark Knight that might be a little hard.

[Ultimate_Superman]

If they do not re cast I would think that the second sequels of their current movies would lead into a Justice League movie but they would have to change the stories around.If they did recast Superman and Batman you would still have to change the story around.

[AssMan]

If they did recast Superman and Batman you would still have to change the story around.

Not unless the Justice League Movie is its own entry. The audince is not as stupid as some may think.

[Ultimate_Superman]

With Singer & his second Superman Sequel they can easily fit the Second Sequel so it goes into a Justice League movie. But with The Dark Knight that might be a little hard.As I said before what Nolan and Singer should do is pull a Superman: The Movie and Superman II or a Lord of the Rings where they film both sequels back to back and set the third movies ending up for a Justice League movie having them fight Darkseid.

[AssMan]

As I said before what Nolan and Singer should do is pull a Superman: The Movie and Superman II or a Lord of the Rings where they film both sequels back to back and set the third movies ending up for a Justice League movie having them fight Darkseid.

I guess we will have to wait & see what the WB has in mind & what this would mean for Smallville. If they want Tom Welling then Smallville would have to end. If they do not re cast Brandon Routh would the WB want to keep putting money into something like Smallville when a Justice League movie would be quite expensive. One will have to go. Recast Routh & get Tom Welling as Superman or get rid of both Tom Welling & Smallville. As long as we keep getting updates & rumors like these that is good news & progress for this movie either way.

[RakuMon]

I swear this tune just popped into my head...

http://www.whitesnakeitalia.it/discografia/immagini/Whitesnake-Here-I-Go-Again-150633.jpg

You and Lois, both! ;)

Honestly, I didn't mean to restart the carousel. I just thought it was pretty neat that a mainstream (i.e. "general public") website was reporting a Welling as Supes in a JLA movie rumor. It was also the first time I had heard anything of the sort. Just wanted to share with my peeps is all!

[Ultimate_Superman]

If Welling doesn't get the part for this movie I hope he tries out for the role of Captain America. I think with his build and looks he would be perfect for the role. All he would have to do is color his hair blond. I think it should either be him or the guy that plays Green Arrow.

[avidreader]

You and Lois, both! ;)

Honestly, I didn't mean to restart the carousel. I just thought it was pretty neat that a mainstream (i.e. "general public") website was reporting a Welling as Supes in a JLA movie rumor. It was also the first time I had heard anything of the sort. Just wanted to share with my peeps is all!

Thanks for sharing. :yay: Interesting news, that I hope comes to some kind of fruition in the not too distant future.

[The Incredible Hulk]

:wow: Apparently, there's a rumor going 'round H'wood that the Mulroney's JLA script wants to feature Batman mentoring a younger WW and a Supes!

And guess who the studio's pushing to play Superman? :cwink:

No kidding. It's on MSN right now!

http://movies.msn.com/movies/hitlist/02-27-07_4?GT1=7701

:eek: Can i give you my $9 for the ticket now?


In the meantime, word was circulating that one of the ideas the Mulroneys had was to structure "League" with an older Batman who was guiding a younger Superman and Wonder Woman. The rumor ends with the studio wanting Tom Welling (Smallville) portraying the younger Man of Steel, but that's hard to believe considering Routh is more than two years younger than his TV counterpart. Because both Routh and Bale have multiyear deals to play their respective characters, it wouldn't be surprising to see a "League" movie negotiated as one of their current commitments.

Would you rather see a "Justice League" movie or individual flicks for "The Flash" and "Wonder Woman"? Send your thoughts and comments to buzz@microsoft.com


If you think about this though, even though Ruth is younger than Welling. Ruth's Superman is an older more established Superman who's been doing his thing for a while, so seeing his character being mentored by Bale or some other older Batman would be a bit odd.

Welling's Superman would still be green when Smallville ends, so it would line-up better continuity wise.

You know what would rock the shiznit? Welling as Supes being mentored by an older Batman played by Michael Keaton :eek:

[The Incredible Hulk]

I swear this tune just popped into my head...

http://www.whitesnakeitalia.it/discografia/immagini/Whitesnake-Here-I-Go-Again-150633.jpg

Casting Wars II: Electric Bugaloo?? :eek:

[Ultimate_Superman]

If you think about this though, even though Ruth is younger than Welling. Ruth's Superman is an older more established Superman who's been doing his thing for a while, so seeing his character being mentored by Bale or some other older Batman would be a bit odd.

Welling's Superman would still be green when Smallville ends, so it would line-up better continuity wise.

You know what would rock the shiznit? Welling as Supes being mentored by an older Batman played by Michael Keaton :eek:Now that I would pay to see.

[AssMan]

I hope comes to some kind of fruition in the not too distant future.

I think we all do the last thing we need is another Casting War right before Smallvilles potential final season :o The WB needs to sit down & plan this

[SamuraiSon6]

this is great news, its all speculation, but its great to get the general public talking about these things we dream of

[Ultimate_Superman]

I am just going to say don't get your hopes up about Welling yet.

[AgentPat]

Casting Wars II: Electric Bugaloo?? :eek:No doubt.

I'm all for seeing Welling in a Justice League film, but I don't want it to be at the expense of SV. We also have the benefit of hindsight this time.

[RakuMon]

No doubt.

I'm all for seeing Welling in a Justice League film, but I don't want it to be at the expense of SV. We also have the benefit of hindsight this time.

I wouldn't worry too much though. If, and that's a BIG "if," a JLA flick does in fact get green lit, it won't be anytime soon. Remember, SV's is closer to the end of its life than it was when pre-production on a Superman V was underway. At that time, cancelling SV would've been problematic (which is the reason I was initially drawn to SHH. To defend SV's right to exist, essentially!)

Let's say SV goes eight seasons (I don't forsee it going beyond eight), that would put the series finale in May 2009. That would give plenty of leeway for a JLA movie to be released in 2010 or beyond.

Point is, SV won't be taken away from us because of a movie. If nothing else, this take on a JLA franchise could be our own "Smallville-verse" Superman flick. Remember, a nascent JLA already exists in this universe. (All they need to do is pair Bale up with Justin's Green Arrow! ;))

[AgentPat]

I wouldn't worry too much though. If, and that's a BIG "if," a JLA flick does in fact get green lit, it won't be anytime soon. Remember, SV's is closer to the end of its life than it was when pre production on a Superman V was underway. At that time, canceling SV would've been problematic (which is the reason I was initially drawn to SHH. To defend SV's right to exist, essentially!)

Let's say SV goes eight seasons (I don't foresee it going beyond eight), that would put the series finale in May 2009. That would give plenty of leeway for a JLA movie to be released in 2010 or beyond.

Point is, SV won't be taken away from us because of a movie. If nothing else, this take on a JLA franchise could be our own "Smallville-verse" Superman flick. Remember, a nascent JLA already exists in this universe. (All they need to do is pair Bale up with Justin's Green Arrow! ;))I dunno... the timing on this is just whack, and the details are all over the map.

1. You've got two "new" franchises that just debuted (BB & SR). Both have sequels in the pipeline that are independent of one another (eg, no crossovers). You have to figure each tentpole will take approx. 18 months total from start to premiere.

2. DK starts shooting this spring for release next year, and MOS is expected to unspool in 2009. Does Warners want to wait for both of those films to wrap before starting production on a JLA film when a script for said film is *already* in progress?

3. Other DC superhero franchises have stalled (WW & Flash). A JLA film would be a nice way to jump-start those franchises, hence the perceived urgency in getting a JLA film started *now.*

4. If SV goes eight seasons, it will wrap production in April of 2009 - which is just before MOS is expected. That means both Welling AND Routh are basically available at the same time. So if Warners waits, the logical approach is to use Bale and Routh. Why cast Welling? The only (business) reason I can think of is they want to start production ASAP, which means SV ends sooner than later.

5. On the other hand, we've heard Rosenbaum publicly say a few weeks ago that he's done after seven seasons, even though G&M have stated they *could* go eight. It's common knowledge Kreuk is a done deal after seven as well. Warners got a tiny taste of the public's appetite for JLA through the Justice episode of SV, and they know Fox is raking it in with X-Men and FF films. And Bale would be available next spring, right around the time SV wraps its 7th season. How convenient...

Yeah, there's a lot of whack timing going on. I'm sure there's more behind this rumor that we're not hearing, assuming there's any legitimacy to it at all.

[Migu-EL]

That's crazy:ninja:

[AssMan]

In the end if Smallville ends after Season 7 due to this movie I will not cry about it as long as the WB plans it now & lets the show creators know in advanced unlike another certain show that got cancelled & the network it aired on announced it to the cast & crew during their 200th episode party :ninja: & besides it was always planned from the start to end Smallville after Season 7 & now we know 2 of the main casts members are done after Season 7. The WB better plan this carefully unlike another network.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I dunno... the timing on this is just whack, and the details are all over the map.

1. You've got two "new" franchises that just debuted (BB & SR). Both have sequels in the pipeline that are independent of one another (eg, no crossovers). You have to figure each tentpole will take approx. 18 months total from start to premiere.

2. DK starts shooting this spring for release next year, and MOS is expected to unspool in 2009. Does Warners want to wait for both of those films to wrap before starting production on a JLA film when a script for said film is *already* in progress?

3. Other DC superhero franchises have stalled (WW & Flash). A JLA film would be a nice way to jump-start those franchises, hence the perceived urgency in getting a JLA film started *now.*

4. If SV goes eight seasons, it will wrap production in April of 2009 - which is just before MOS is expected. That means both Welling AND Routh are basically available at the same time. So if Warners waits, the logical approach is to use Bale and Routh. Why cast Welling? The only (business) reason I can think of is they want to start production ASAP, which means SV ends sooner than later.

5. On the other hand, we've heard Rosenbaum publicly say a few weeks ago that he's done after seven seasons, even though G&M have stated they *could* go eight. It's common knowledge Kreuk is a done deal after seven as well. Warners got a tiny taste of the public's appetite for JLA through the Justice episode of SV, and they know Fox is raking it in with X-Men and FF films. And Bale would be available next spring, right around the time SV wraps its 7th season. How convenient...

Yeah, there's a lot of whack timing going on. I'm sure there's more behind this rumor that we're not hearing, assuming there's any legitimacy to it at all.
Bale is booked up until the next Batman movie from what I hear over on the Bat-boards. So if you were to get Bale on board you would have to shoot the Bat-Movies back to back. All so if you remember the MTV movie awards he was open to the idea of doing a team-up if Routh was Superman see it how the two became good friends. Also you have to take into the fact they want an older Batman playing mentor to Superman and Wonder Woman ala Batman Beyond only a little younger which is also not Bale. If this movie is a go before I see them recasting both Superman and Batman.

[AssMan]

Also you have to take into the fact they want an older Batman playing mentor to Superman and Wonder Woman

The article said that was just an idea the writers had & that is not set in stone either

[Ultimate_Superman]

The article said that was just an idea the writers had & that is not set in stone eitherIf thats the case then you probably are looking at Routh and Bale like the article said.

[The Incredible Hulk]

a couple things..

1. If Welling were to do the role it wont be with Bale as Batman. If they were somehow to bring Bale over to the JLA franchise they'd most likely bring Ruth with him. So unless Ruth meets an untimely demise (not saying I want that to happen but just for conversations sake) thats just not happening. Bale's not exactly an "older" Batman either so they'd have to recast that part if they do in fact go the Batman mentor route.

2. Smallville isnt going 8 seasons. Rosenbaum says he's gone after Season 7 and I think that'll be it. After a 7th season, Smallville will have stretched things much too far unless of course they shift the series to a full blown Metropolis series, but even then with no Lex it would suffer. Casting Welling for the JLA wouldnt be at Smallville's expense, if anything I think it would let the writers end the show in a decent way and not have it overstay its welcome.

3. The earliest a JLA movie would see the light of day would be Summer 2010, assuming there is in fact a sequel to SR in 2009. Would be plenty of time for SV to finish on a strong 7th season in Spring 2008 and then have Tom go train somewhere for 6 months before they started shooting a JLA film in early 2009.

[Ultimate_Superman]

a couple things..

1. If Welling were to do the role it wont be with Bale as Batman. If they were somehow to bring Bale over to the JLA franchise they'd most likely bring Ruth with him. So unless Ruth meets an untimely demise (not saying I want that to happen but just for conversations sake) thats just not happening. Bale's not exactly an "older" Batman either so they'd have to recast that part if they do in fact go the Batman mentor route.


3. The earliest a JLA movie would see the light of day would be Summer 2010, assuming there is in fact a sequel to SR in 2009.LOL I like how you misspelled the name on purpose. But there is going to be a sequel for SR the question is will there be a sequel after MOS.

[Serene]

So what's the verdict? Do I get out the heavy artillery and chainmaille undies in preparation for another Great Casting War?

'Cause I will. ;)

It's going to be fun to see the speculation ball start rolling on this one. Personally, I can't imagine anything I'd LOVE to see more than a movie featuring Bale as Batman, and Welling as Superman. I'd line up NOW if that was really going to happen.

[AgentPat]

...Personally, I can't imagine anything I'd LOVE to see more than a movie featuring Bale as Batman, and Welling as Superman. I'd line up NOW if that was really going to happen.You and me both, sistah. :D :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

So what's the verdict? Do I get out the heavy artillery and chainmaille undies in preparation for another Great Casting War?

'Cause I will. Well if thats the case head over to the DC Comics film section and tell them why Welling will make a great Superman because as of right now most of them want Routh and Bale or a recast on both roles. Here is the link

Justice League of America (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266333)

Cast the Justice League (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258700)


Now thats only if your up for it and up for hearing what others (besides Superman fourm fans) think of SV.

[RakuMon]

a couple things..

1. If Welling were to do the role it wont be with Bale as Batman. If they were somehow to bring Bale over to the JLA franchise they'd most likely bring Ruth with him. So unless Ruth meets an untimely demise (not saying I want that to happen but just for conversations sake) thats just not happening. Bale's not exactly an "older" Batman either so they'd have to recast that part if they do in fact go the Batman mentor route.

2. Smallville isnt going 8 seasons. Rosenbaum says he's gone after Season 7 and I think that'll be it. After a 7th season, Smallville will have stretched things much too far unless of course they shift the series to a full blown Metropolis series, but even then with no Lex it would suffer. Casting Welling for the JLA wouldnt be at Smallville's expense, if anything I think it would let the writers end the show in a decent way and not have it overstay its welcome.

3. The earliest a JLA movie would see the light of day would be Summer 2010, assuming there is in fact a sequel to SR in 2009. Would be plenty of time for SV to finish on a strong 7th season and then have Tom go train somewhere for 6 months before they started shooting a JLA film.

Hulk pretty much nails it on the head. Laying out my point. Particularly, a Welling-JLA movie would not be at Smallville's expense.

I also think, if this were the route WB decides to go, it would have a recast Batman. That being said...

Personally, I can't imagine anything I'd LOVE to see more than a movie featuring Bale as Batman, and Welling as Superman. I'd line up NOW if that was really going to happen.

Yes.

You and me both, sistah. :D :up:

What Pat said! :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Taken down out of respect for some of the posters.

[Serene]

Great fan made trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZntKMJFqLRA

How very interesting.

First of all..this thread is about TOM WELLING as Superman, and I don't see TOM WELLING in that vid.

Secondly.. considering who signed that vid, I'm a little pissed off to see it posted in this forum. His history of "fan-made" videos are NOT welcome here. You've been around long enough to know the history with that guy and this forum, and I have to assume that you posted that intentionally.

[Ultimate_Superman]

How very interesting.

First of all..this thread is about TOM WELLING as Superman, and I don't see TOM WELLING in that vid.

Secondly.. considering who signed that vid, I'm a little pissed off to see it posted in this forum. His history of "fan-made" videos are NOT welcome here.Who signed that vid? Also it has SV Green Arrow/Aquaman in it thats why I placed it here people still like him as a choice for either role.

[triplet]

Who signed that vid?

Kane, if that's the same one that his sockpuppet has been posting links to all over the hype...

No Tom in that, so why post it here unless you're acting on Kane's behalf or trying to openly bait Tom Welling/Smaville fans?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Kane, if that's the same one that his sockpuppet has been posting links to all over the hype...

No Tom in that, so why post it here unless you're acting on Kane's behalf or trying to openly bait Tom Welling/Smaville fans?First off I didn't know Kane did this video so I will take it down because I will be respectful to you here. Second I posted it because it is a great vid no matter who did it but know that I know Kane made it this will come down because of the history he has here.

[AssMan]

Someone posted that trailer saying that he is the author or the video over at the Superman Returns Sequels forum. I guess you can talk to a mod to find out if they are the same person. I have no idea of Kane's history here & I have no idea with what he did but he might be back.

[Ultimate_Superman]

If he is back look for a person named Justice Bringer it seems to be him

[MJZ]

With the exception of Batman, WB's DC-film franchise has been shakey, to put it mildly. If this JLA movie were to actually happen it won't be for a few years and at that point SV will be long done.

I'd love to see Welling in the role, but Bale's signed for multiple Bat-films and the 3rd in the Nolan trilogy probably wouldn't be out till 2010-2011, to give a conservative estimate.

In other words, this is a ways off if it'll become a reality...

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL I like how you misspelled the name on purpose. But there is going to be a sequel for SR the question is will there be a sequel after MOS.

actually I installed a new version of Firefox at my office and I didnt realize I was auto accepting all of it's spelling corrections. Funny coincidence though :)

and after what happened at WB with Flash and WW, I wouldnt be taking anything for granted that hasnt been greenlit yet.

[triplet]

First off I didn't know Kane did this video so I will take it down because I will be respectful to you here. Second I posted it because it is a great vid no matter who did it but know that I know Kane made it this will come down because of the history he has here.

Thanks. I know I'm not the only person who will appreciate that.

Someone posted that trailer saying that he is the author or the video over at the Superman Returns Sequels forum. I guess you can talk to a mod to find out if they are the same person. I have no idea of Kane's history here & I have no idea with what he did but he might be back.

I've already alerted a mod to his possibly being Kane, but he's done nothing yet with his new sockpuppet to warrant banning apparently and there's no proof yet that he is Kane, so it's all theory at this point.

Given who he is, he'll show his true colors before too long and he'll have yet another sockpuppet banned.

I don't even keep track, but he's had a lot of aliases and he's done some very mean, nasty cyber bullying type things....

He probably won't resist falling back into old patterns, but we'll see....

[Zing79]

Meh pretty much describes my feeling about this.

While I will certainly enjoy the living hell out of reading the casting wars all over again, this announcement doesn’t have a whole lot of awesome to it (to me). It’s the JLA – with its many cast of characters. Even in a 2 hr movie, Welling would still only get limited screen time (given that this rumor has an older Bats who would see most of it).

It’s nice to see him in a suit, but if SV doesn’t adequately show that transition, I think it might be too distracting. I’d be asking ‘what happened to him?’, “how did he arrive at where he is?”, etc etc -- the whole time the movie is playing.

If that’s the only way I could see him in the suit for a sustained period of time I’ll take it, but I’d rather see the full transition of Welling into Superman on his own.

[SamuraiSon6]

i hope this all pans out and the WB doesn't just let all their options fizzle because of time restraints, etc.

[Migu-EL]

It would be nice to see Welling wearing the :super: suit on the big screen.:up: :supes:

[DvilDog]

as good as I thought Mr Routh was I have been used to seeing Tom for so long I think he would define that role hands down if he ever got to play it

[Ultimate_Superman]

I would love to see Tom Welling in the suit but only playing Superman. IMO I just have a feeling if he plays both Superman and Clark Kent he will turn out like Dean Cain's Superman/Clark where you can't tell the two apart.

[triplet]

I would love to see Tom Welling in the suit but only playing Superman. IMO I just have a feeling if he plays both Superman and Clark Kent he will turn out like Dean Cain's Superman/Clark where you can't tell the two apart.

Oh, I don't know about that... I'd certainly like to see him give it a shot, however.

:up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Oh I would like to see him give it a shot but I see it somehow turning out like Cain's Clark and Superman.

[Migu-EL]

Oh I would like to see him give it a shot but I see it somehow turning out like Cain's Clark and Superman.

I disagree, I think he would do a wonderful job portraying both of them.:cwink:

[DvilDog]

I also think that Tom would do well as Clark and as Superman. I think he could definitly play a more serious version of clark and definitly bring new dimension to Superman. Now like I have said before, I am Brandon Routh supporter and have been since he was casted, but even i wont deny how good Tom could be in the role and would have loved to see it.

[AgentPat]

The funny thing is, Clark Kent on Smallville "acts" like Superman most of the time, minus the suit...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/arrival6.jpg


We haven't really seen Welling's comedic version of Metropolis-based Clark Kent yet, though there have been a few morsels...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/commencement11a.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/spell12.jpg http://www.patcostello.com/temp/fade.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/gone7.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/crimson6.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exposed8.jpg

You don't act opposite Michael Rosenbaum for six years, or do two movies with Steve Martin and not learn a thing or two about comedy. LOL


I think he'd do the role... justice. *cough*
(Yeah yeah, bad pun. I can't help myself.)

[COMPO]

especailly, how to shoot an invisible man.

[Ultimate_Superman]

So how crushed will you guys be if this rumor turns out to be false because it seems some of you guys are getting pretty hyped about this now.

[Kaboom]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exposed8.jpg


I'm sorry, was somebody speaking?

[AgentPat]

So how crushed will you guys be if this rumor turns out to be false because it seems some of you guys are getting pretty hyped about this now.:rolleyes:

C'mon All-Star. It's called having a little fun. Consider everything a "rumor" until you're standing in line with tickets in hand. Yes, EVERYTHING. Get my drift?


LOL@Kaboom. :D

[Ultimate_Superman]

:rolleyes:

C'mon All-Star. It's called having a little fun. Consider everything a "rumor" until you're standing in line with tickets in hand. Yes, EVERYTHING. Get my drift?


LOL@Kaboom. :DNo Pat I am just saying I see you getting as hyped as you were when we thought Tom Welling was going to play Superman in the movie. I am just saying don't get to hyped because as the writer even stated this rumor seems false.

[AgentPat]

No Pat I am just saying I see you getting as hyped as you were when we thought Tom Welling was going to play Superman in the movie. I am just saying don't get to hyped because as the writer even stated this rumor seems false.Do me a favor All-Star. Save your advice for people on other forums. Don't tell me what to do, how to think, or what to be hyped about. SV keeps me immensely happy the way it is. Discussing the show, its stories, its characters and cast is hella fun, but when folks start telling me not to have fun - which is basically what you're doing - I get pissed. Okie dokey?

[Brainiac 8]

Do me a favor All-Star. Save your advice for people on other forums. Don't tell me what to do, how to think, or what to be hyped about. SV keeps me immensely happy the way it is. Discussing the show, its stories, its characters and cast is hella fun, but when folks start telling me not to have fun - which is basically what you're doing - I get pissed. Okie dokey?


And how does that make you feel? [/Dr. Phil]

:cwink:

[AgentPat]

And how does that make you feel? [/Dr. Phil]

:cwink:You should have seen it *before* I edited it LOL.

Seriously though, this is what fanboys/girls do on a message board. We talk about the things we enjoy. Right now, SV is one of those things. And while I'd LOVE to see it evolve into the next step, I'm perfectly content to have it stay Just. The. Way. It. IS, hence my concern yesterday about Features sticking their bloody noses into things and fouling up the works. I don't want a film (SV based or otherwise) to be at the expense of the show. IF one were to happen AFTER the show is over then that's cool. But I've been down this road once before, and hindsight is a wonderful thing. I was willing to trade the show for a film in the past, but I wouldn't even THINK of doing that now. Y'know the old axiom of knowing what you got but not knowing what you will get? Hindsight. :)

[SamuraiSon6]

All-Star, we all understand what you mean, and it honestly is the truth, but these boards are all about HYPE! if we dont get excited over a little comment, and disect it until we pass out then what is the point of the Superher Hype! Boards? we all know you know that, so join in on the fun of dreaming

[StorminNorman]

If they can find some way to mix the entire Smallville Universe into the JLA film then great, Tom Welling fits the role. If they can't, then he has no business being in the film.

[Zorex]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/crimson6.jpg

Great cap :up:

[Gmanofsteel]

Do me a favor All-Star. Save your advice for people on other forums. Don't tell me what to do, how to think, or what to be hyped about. SV keeps me immensely happy the way it is. Discussing the show, its stories, its characters and cast is hella fun, but when folks start telling me not to have fun - which is basically what you're doing - I get pissed. Okie dokey?

Well put :up:

[Ricky_Tan]

So how crushed will you guys be if this rumor turns out to be false because it seems some of you guys are getting pretty hyped about this now.

stfu

[Bruce_Wayne29]

MeeVee.com has interviewed Al Gough, executive producer of "Smallville", and pretty much ended any speculation about seeing Tom Welling in the Superman costume, while also confirming that Al is serious about going for eight seasons.

"How many more seasons of Smallville do you anticipate?
A: We all feel we have, legitimately, a good two more seasons worth of stories. Then I think it's time to pack it up to the fortress and go home.

Before Brandon Routh was discovered, he used to get comments like, "Oh, you look like Superman." He even dressed up in a Superman costume for Halloween. Have you ever thought about Tom Welling donning the costume -- just to get an idea of "what if"?

A: No, it's actually in his contract that he won't wear the costume. (Laughter) I'm not sure what he does at home, but on the show, he's not wearing the costume. And again, not to conflict with the movies, [Warners Feature Film Division] doesn't want him in the costume, and we don't want him in the costume. [Smallville is] a different show altogether."


Right now I'm really pissed off at Warner Bros. Feature Division. They are interfering way too much on Smallville.

[avidreader]

^^^ Its still the same story he's been spinning for the last 5 1/2 years Bruce. He's just wording it differently nowadays. He's probably just as sick of answering that question as much as Tom is.

Smallville isnt a show about a guy who runs around in a costume, its a journey of discovery into that man.

It still doesnt preclude us from getting some kind of allusion to the costume in the final scene.

[The Caped Knight]

Before Brandon Routh was discovered, he used to get comments like, "Oh, you look like Superman." He even dressed up in a Superman costume for Halloween. Have you ever thought about Tom Welling donning the costume -- just to get an idea of "what if"?

A: No, it's actually in his contract that he won't wear the costume. (Laughter) I'm not sure what he does at home, but on the show, he's not wearing the costume. And again, not to conflict with the movies, [Warners Feature Film Division] doesn't want him in the costume, and we don't want him in the costume. [Smallville is] a different show altogether.

Well then that's it .

There is no point of me continuing to watch "smallville" if where not going to see The end of the journey .

I've got better things to do than waste my time watching the same Bull**** happen every season .

Season 6, is my last season . To hell with Season 7 . :mad: :bomb: :mad:

[KalKai]

There is nothing exclusive in that interview, it's the same ol' same ol', Gough's been saying that for the last few months, the usual contradictions.

[Kaboom]

....so explains why the 'boom took a hiatus............

[The Caped Knight]

It's too bad smallville could've been a great series (It looks like the same fate that ended Lois & Clark tv series has found it next target in "smallville"). Oh well I hope that the next tv series featuring a Superhero actually does it right . (By showing the Hero in costume and doesn't mess around too much with the story) and gets good writters like "Heroes" has .

[triplet]

Jeez...

where's that merry go round pic?

Oh, yeah...

Here it is.

http://www.sfrisch.com/images/merry_go.jpg

You know, I don't think that's what he meant KE8 but do what you want... I'm in for the long haul.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Oh well I hope that the next tv series featuring a Superhero actually does it right . (By showing the Hero in costume and doesn't mess around too much with the story) and gets good writters like "Heroes" has .
Wasn't Jeph Loeb, now on Heroes, a writer on Smallville too?

[avidreader]

It's too bad smallville could've been a great series (It looks like the same fate that ended Lois & Clark tv series has found it next target in "smallville"). Oh well I hope that the next tv series featuring a Superhero actually does it right . (By showing the Hero in costume and doesn't mess around too much with the story) and gets good writters like "Heroes" has .

If all this time you've only been watching the show for a 10 second glimpse in the very last scene of the series then why did you bother tuning into a series that was clearly about the journey of Clark Kent and why he decides to become the costumed hero, Superman.

Doesnt make sense???

*shrug*

[The Caped Knight]

Look I've been watching this show from since the day it Premiered on October 16, 2001 on TheWB . (The only reasons I watched this series was to see Clark Kent become SUPERMAN & to see What caused Lex Luthor to go down the dark path that he will forever follow, that's it .)

When it first started out it was Perfect . Now it's ruined far beyond Repair .

[KalKai]

Kal-El 8 said the exact same thing right before Season 6 started, and probably even before, and yet he's still here not making any sense, all you gotta do is learn to ignore those kind of posts because clearly, they don't deserve any attention.

Wasn't Jeph Loeb, now on Heroes, a writer on Smallville too?

Yes.

[The Caped Knight]

Kal-El 8 said the exact same thing right before Season 6 started, and probably even before, and yet he's still here not making any sense, all you gotta do is learn to ignore those kind of posts because clearly, they don't deserve any attention.



Yes.

No I said if the first four episodes of Season 6 were as bad as The last half of season 5, then I'd stop watching the show . Which they weren't , so I continued to watch.

This is totally different issue

My whole reason for watching this series from the get go is no longer going to be seen. So What's the point of me continuing to watch SV if all i'm going to see is the same bull . I've had to watch for the past 6 seasons ?

1. The clark & lana roller coaster

2. The Chloe & Clark crap

3. Super Chloe

4. The Clark, lana & Lex garbage

5. Clark not taking his Destiny seriously, and still is pining over lana

[KalKai]

Are you really expecting Al Gough to spill the beans about the series finale this early in the game?

[The Caped Knight]

Are you really expecting Al Gough to spill the beans about the series finale this early in the game?

Of course not . that would be stupid on his part, It's better to not say anything until The Finale season airs .

[KalKai]

Seriously, is this for real? Do we need to go through this everytime Al Gough gives an interview?

Rosenbaum says he's done after the 7th Season, yet Gough says that they have 2 more seasons worth of stories to tell, 1 of them is an actor, the other 1 is the show runner.

Gough has repeatedly said that it will end with the suit, but you're not going to see him running around in costume in SV.

[The Caped Knight]

Seriously, is this for real? Do we need to go through this everytime Al Gough gives an interview?

Rosenbaum says he's done after the 7th Season, yet Gough says that they have 2 more seasons worth of stories to tell, 1 of them is an actor, the other 1 is the show runner.

Gough has repeatedly said that it will end with the suit, but you're not going to see him running around in costume in SV.

I think I'm Begining to see your point . Maybe the way he said it in the interview was to trip us up . So it would be an even bigger surprise in the series finale when Clark becomes SUPERMAN .

[avidreader]

I think I'm Begining to see your point . Maybe the way he said it in the interview was to trip us up . So it would be an even bigger surprise in the series finale when Clark becomes SUPERMAN .

Yay!!!!

:woot:

Think about it logically. If he doesnt become Superman in the final scene (which Gough has said they've known what it will be since the Pilot) then who is he going to become?

[The Caped Knight]

Yay!!!!

:woot:

Think about it logically. If he doesnt become Superman in the final scene (which Gough has said they've known what it will be since the Pilot) then who is he going to become?

Ah now I've see The Light :woot: :woot: :woot: :supes:

Well in that case I'm here to the bitter end .

[MJZ]

I believe in one of those recent TV Guide interviews Gough was asked about how it would end and he replied they can't discuss that because it's heavy spoiler territory.

[The Incredible Hulk]

MeeVee.com has interviewed Al Gough, executive producer of "Smallville", and pretty much ended any speculation about seeing Tom Welling in the Superman costume, while also confirming that Al is serious about going for eight seasons.

"How many more seasons of Smallville do you anticipate?
A: We all feel we have, legitimately, a good two more seasons worth of stories. Then I think it's time to pack it up to the fortress and go home.

Before Brandon Routh was discovered, he used to get comments like, "Oh, you look like Superman." He even dressed up in a Superman costume for Halloween. Have you ever thought about Tom Welling donning the costume -- just to get an idea of "what if"?

A: No, it's actually in his contract that he won't wear the costume. (Laughter) I'm not sure what he does at home, but on the show, he's not wearing the costume. And again, not to conflict with the movies, [Warners Feature Film Division] doesn't want him in the costume, and we don't want him in the costume. [Smallville is] a different show altogether."

it's funny, Welling has only ever had one contract on Smallville, but yet Gough didnt seem to know about that last year when he said the show would end with Tom in the suit?

Like I've said previously in another thread, these guys seem to be talking out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to anything to do with the Final finale of the show. I'll leave it at that


Right now I'm really pissed off at Warner Bros. Feature Division. They are interfering way too much on Smallville.

especially considering they didnt even put out a decent movie...

[Mandrill]

Isnt TW's contract for 7 years so if they did 8 he would need a new contract?

Ergo up to season 7 no Suit but after that....

[mathhater]

I'm with Kal-El 8 here for the most part...not to the point of giving up on the show though, cause until the ending is actually written there's no point in getting mad about it yet.

But if we don't see Superman...suit and all by the end of the show, my anger will be indescribable. And I may just go insane with disappointment...with all my posts turning into unreadable gibberish and unrelated smileys...filled with edited profanity and talk about lamps and squirrels or something...I can almost see it now.

But anyhoo...I'm concerned about it, but I'll just wait and see before I get too upset.

[Migu-EL]

Some of you guys on this forum are funny.:woot:

I agree with what some posters are saying about Gough trying to throw us off about the last scene. Do you really think they are going to tell us what will be the biggest momment of the Show? And to those that think we will not see Welling in the suit, think about it. The show is about a young Clark Kent. Everything has been building up to that moment, from the Fortress last season to the:super: crystal this season. Do you really think they would not end the show with atleast a shirt rip?:supes: :cwink: Just think about it for a second.:dry:

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I agree with them not wanting to spoil the finale but it's almost irrelevant, everyone knows how it has to end, we just don't know how they're getting there. But having said that I don't have any problem believing FEATURES will try to prevent it from happen because they know they may have a big problem if it does happen. A vast majority of the public already sees Tom as the real Superman even without the costume and "their" Superman had a big trouble convencing many ppl. Right now it seems they're going ahead with that franchise if only to save face and the embarrassment of admitting they messed up and should have waited and do a better movie with the actor that most ppl wanted to see in the role. Imagine what would happen if Tom appears in the suit (a classic suit not that maroon disaster) and the media and the internet start to spread those images like the plague. You can see an even bigger protest campaign that in 2004.
They are right to worry. And that's why they're not taking chances with tv actors playing Bruce or Diana. They don't want another "Tom Welling" type of actor that can connect more with the public than their movie counterpart...
It's ridiculous but I can see a bit of sense in their train of thought.

[Zorex]

especially considering they didnt even put out a decent movie...
It's comments like these that make me love coming here. Oh, wait.

[grey_jeanie]

I'm a bit out of touch, is this definitely the last series?

[Ultimate_Superman]

I agree with them not wanting to spoil the finale but it's almost irrelevant, everyone knows how it has to end, we just don't know how they're getting there. But having said that I don't have any problem believing FEATURES will try to prevent it from happen because they know they may have a big problem if it does happen. A vast majority of the public already sees Tom as the real Superman even without the costume and "their" Superman had a big trouble convencing many ppl. Right now it seems they're going ahead with that franchise if only to save face and the embarrassment of admitting they messed up and should have waited and do a better movie with the actor that most ppl wanted to see in the role. Imagine what would happen if Tom appears in the suit (a classic suit not that maroon disaster) and the media and the internet start to spread those images like the plague. You can see an even bigger protest campaign that in 2004.
They are right to worry. And that's why they're not taking chances with tv actors playing Bruce or Diana. They don't want another "Tom Welling" type of actor that can connect more with the public than their movie counterpart...
It's ridiculous but I can see a bit of sense in their train of thought.Right there is where I think your wrong the vast majority don't see Welling as Superman but sees Reeve as Superman. Lets be honest people the vast majority doesn't care who plays Superman but as long as it is a good movie just like James Bond or Batman. We fans may care who is Superman but the vast majority doesn't and the WB knows that. As far as doing a sequel to SR to save face that can't be more wrong Superman Returns was well received by the public the one and only thing that hurt Superman at the box office was POTC 2 and no one could have for seen how well that movie would have done. Also if look at the DVD's sales as well Superman Returns did good. So the actor nor the movie was the problem the timing of its release.

[triplet]

I'm a bit out of touch, is this definitely the last series?

You mean the last season?

No, they're at least one more and maybe two if they can get everyone signed up for the 8th season.

[Brainiac 8]

Ah now I've see The Light :woot: :woot: :woot: :supes:

Well in that case I'm here to the bitter end .


What Al also keeps saying is that we won't see him in the costume...he also may mean full blown in the costume.

A shirt rip as the last scene would not technically be "In the costume" but just showing that he is now where he should be.:cwink:

[avidreader]

What Al also keeps saying is that we won't see him in the costume...he also may mean full blown in the costume.

A shirt rip as the last scene would not technically be "In the costume" but just showing that he is now where he should be.:cwink:

Ya know, I think I would get more of a tingle up my spine, if it was just a shirt rip. :supes:

[Brainiac 8]

Ya know, I think I would get more of a tingle up my spine, if it was just a shirt rip. :supes:


Ditto X 1,000,000 :woot:

[Dew k. Mosi]

Ok, discussing the movie is not allowed in this forum, guys, and I have made this abundantly clear. You can discuss the tv series and the tv series alone.

This is for Bruce Wayne just as much as for All-Star Superman, so before you all decide to pounce on All-Star, realize that. Discuss the show and Tom as Superman on the SHOW, not in the movies, not in outside avenues of the franchise, but within the context of the show ONLY

[Brainiac 8]

I'm not much of a pouncer...bad back you see. :cwink:

[blksuperman2]

My name is Tigger. T-I double grr R. I like to pounce. Everyone loves Tiggers. 'cuz Tiggers are wonderful things.

[Gmanofsteel]

my first JL manip :D

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2629/justiceleaguekm3.png

[Ultimate_Superman]

I see Welling but who or the other people?

[SamuraiSon6]

supermans eyes are a little to "sith" if you know what i mean

[Gmanofsteel]

I see Welling but who or the other people?

Ryan Reynolds, Christian Bale, Tom Welling, Henry Simmons, and Eva Mendes

[MJZ]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/MJZ/TW_Supes2.jpg

[blksuperman2]

Nice ^^^

[AgentPat]

Was perusing YouTube tonight and came across this guy's (http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=KalEl1029) videos.

Hah! Wow. Just wow. Apparently he's been making BUNCHES of "Justice League" faux theatrical and TV spot trailers for.... I dunno? The helluvit? I guess LOL. But day-um! This is some AMAZINGLY well-done and professional looking work. They look like the real thing.

Here are four of his vids, but there's more to be found at the url above. They're real short and TOTALLY worth the click:

2:15 JLA Theatrical Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBEIehCQkJM)

2:30 JLA Theatrical Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD8fZf8MMjg)

0:30 JLA TV spot (Lois) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7boMN37-dnA)

0:30 JLA TV spot (Green Arrow) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rppGeCBsC0)


Here's a bonus vid, unrelated to the ones above but made by the same artist and EMBARRASSINGLY FUNNY! It appears to be a theatrical trailer of a faux Smallville movie - but done as a comedy and sans the fantasy aspects. In other words, it's just about teenagers growing up in Dawson's Cr... err... Smallville, KA. No alien-from-Krypton-SuperClark angle. LOL!

2:30 "One Night in Smallville" Theatrical Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da33XXUFAYE)

The dude's got talent. :up:

[MJZ]

Was perusing YouTube tonight and came across this guy's (http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=KalEl1029) videos.

Hah! Wow. Just wow. Apparently he's been making BUNCHES of "Justice League" faux theatrical and TV spot trailers for.... I dunno? The helluvit? I guess LOL. But day-um! This is some AMAZINGLY well-done and professional looking work. They look like the real thing.

Here are four of his vids, but there's more to be found at the url above. They're real short and TOTALLY worth the click:

2:15 JLA Theatrical Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBEIehCQkJM)

2:30 JLA Theatrical Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD8fZf8MMjg)

0:30 JLA TV spot (Lois) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7boMN37-dnA)

0:30 JLA TV spot (Green Arrow) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rppGeCBsC0)


Here's a bonus vid, unrelated to the ones above but made by the same artist and EMBARRASSINGLY FUNNY! It appears to be a theatrical trailer of a faux Smallville movie - but done as a comedy and sans the fantasy aspects. In other words, it's just about teenagers growing up in Dawson's Cr... err... Smallville, KA. No alien-from-Krypton-SuperClark angle. LOL!

2:30 "One Night in Smallville" Theatrical Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da33XXUFAYE)

The dude's got talent. :up:


I guess you missed this thread (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268127) from a few weeks ago Pat... :oldrazz:

I agree his stuff rocks.

[Antrax255]

Eva Mendes as Wonder Women?

[AgentPat]

I guess you missed this thread (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268127) from a few weeks ago Pat... :oldrazz:
Hah! Y'know, I DID see that thread, but I guess I was in a rush that day and never clicked on the link. Either that, or when I read "teen comedy having nothing to do with the Superman Legend," my eyes glazed over and I completely ignored it. :O

Knowing how I surf, it was probably a combination of both. LOL

[musclesforsupes]

Hey its been awhile so gotta ask shout out?


Just kidding, but hey any validness towards that article MSN ran about Tom and the chances of being cast in Justice LEague the movie as supes?

[Syncos]

What Al also keeps saying is that we won't see him in the costume...he also may mean full blown in the costume.

A shirt rip as the last scene would not technically be "In the costume" but just showing that he is now where he should be.:cwink:

I would have a Fangasam if the last scene of the show was him hearing someone in trouble, and doing a shirt rip and flying off. that would complete the show for me.

[darwinwins]

since the singer version of superman was a dud, maybe welling does have a second chance at the silver screen as superman. it would go a long ways toward good relations after that bloated mess. too much wanting it to be an art film felled it. with smallville, it seems more plausible to have an actual superhero story without a lot of exposition since the series has its own mythos - much like the film versions and the comic books.

[AgentPat]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/duck.gif

[Migu-EL]

since the singer version of superman was a dud, maybe welling does have a second chance at the silver screen as superman. it would go a long ways toward good relations after that bloated mess. too much wanting it to be an art film felled it. with smallville, it seems more plausible to have an actual superhero story without a lot of exposition since the series has its own mythos - much like the film versions and the comic books.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/Dropkick60606/March06/1155285412820.gif

[AgentPat]

What the...?

It's too quiet here! :mad:

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/grenade.gif

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/smallville/does-smallville-need-superman-5488.aspx

:p

It amazes me how often that topic comes up, but I do like how those folks worded it. The time travel thing has about as much chance of happening as... well... I'm not gonna even say it, but at least the author acknowledges the very predictable nature of the series' finale.

Anyhoo.... who's manip is that? :D

[Jack O Lantern]

since the singer version of superman was a dud, maybe welling does have a second chance at the silver screen as superman. it would go a long ways toward good relations after that bloated mess. too much wanting it to be an art film felled it. with smallville, it seems more plausible to have an actual superhero story without a lot of exposition since the series has its own mythos - much like the film versions and the comic books.

SR will proably have a sequal and if it doesn't I think it will be a long while to the next Superman movie.

As for the JL movie I doubt either Superman, Batman or Wonder Woman will be in it at all.

[Super_Hero]

Well, I dunno how long this thread will survive given that the topic is like fly paper for trolls, but maybe a few screen caps/photos will put people in the proper frame of mind and we can get back to our former discussion. Thanks for taking the initiative, Zing!

Love The Video LOL!!!!!!!!!!

[Super_Hero]

Originally Posted by avidreader
Ya know, I think I would get more of a tingle up my spine, if it was just a shirt rip.
_______________________________________________

I completly agree!

:supes:

[MJZ]

I don't know if the Welling/SV comics influences thread is still around, but having recently picked up the All-Star Superman hardcover (I'd read the individual issues but fell behind), this great image really reminded me of Tom for some reason:

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5918_400x600.jpg

[Bruce_Wayne29]

MJZ - it's funny, I also found of Tom when I first saw that image...

Guys the famous Superman Reborn video keeps getting more and more response. It's now even posted here with very good feedback from the site creator(s): http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com/

[_BB_]

^ WormyT deserves all the credit he can get, its the best fan-made trailer I've ever seen. I wish that the guys higher up would be able to see it. Maybe someone with a MySpace account could post it on Steven DeKnights Myspace page?

[Serene]

I don't know if the Welling/SV comics influences thread is still around, but having recently picked up the All-Star Superman hardcover (I'd read the individual issues but fell behind), this great image really reminded me of Tom for some reason:

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5918_400x600.jpg

Man.. that's gorgeous. I might have to icon that. Thanks for posting it. :)

[MJZ]

Man.. that's gorgeous. I might have to icon that. Thanks for posting it. :)

I have it as my current wallpaper (http://www.dccomics.com/media/desktop_patterns/All_Star_Superman_6_1024x768.jpg).

You haven't read any of this run Serene? I highly recommend it, hands down the best Superman story yet, both the writing and art are just amazing. The hardcover of the first six issues just came out a few weeks ago.

[Serene]

I have it as my current wallpaper (http://www.dccomics.com/media/desktop_patterns/All_Star_Superman_6_1024x768.jpg).

You haven't read any of this run Serene? I highly recommend it, hands down the best Superman story yet, both the writing and art are just amazing. The hardcover of the first six issues just came out a few weeks ago.
I don't buy individual comics, but I do like when they compile them into graphic novels (trades?). Will the put the whole run into one book when they are done?

[The Watchman]

They put the first 6 issues into a nice hardcover. Allstar realy is great though because of how each issue is satisfying in and of itself.

[MJZ]

I don't buy individual comics, but I do like when they compile them into graphic novels (trades?). Will the put the whole run into one book when they are done?

Yeah I assume they will, probably 2 hardcovers and then softcovers and then an Ultimate Edition--nice way to make us broke. :)

I had collected the individual issues but after the 4th I fell behind and just decided to wait till they started releasing compilations. I think they're on the 8th issue now and it will be a 12-issue run.

[MJZ]

They put the first 6 issues into a nice hardcover. Allstar realy is great though because of how each issue is satisfying in and of itself.

I can't wait for the "12 labors of Superman." :up:

[Serene]

Done. It's a bit dark, but I like dark. :)

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2550/supesmoontw3.jpg

[Serene]

They put the first 6 issues into a nice hardcover. Allstar realy is great though because of how each issue is satisfying in and of itself.
Hey stranger. :)
Great to see you. I've missed you.

Yeah I assume they will, probably 2 hardcovers and then softcovers and then an Ultimate Edition--nice way to make us broke. :)

I had collected the individual issues but after the 4th I fell behind and just decided to wait till they started releasing compilations. I think they're on the 8th issue now and it will be a 12-issue run.

Think you can remember to tell me when they come out with the Ultimate? Please? I'd definitely buy that.

[MJZ]

Done. It's a bit dark, but I like dark. :)

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2550/supesmoontw3.jpg

Nice.

Can't help myself, gtta post this comparison I did awhile back:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/MJZ/Superman%20Triad%20Project/JC_Superman.gif :D

Anyways, not to get off-topic, someone should do a manip of TW from Nemesis last week when he's standing there after coming up from the tunnels. Pure :supes: for sure.

[MJZ]

Hey stranger. :)
Great to see you. I've missed you.



Think you can remember to tell me when they come out with the Ultimate? Please? I'd definitely buy that.

Sure thing. :up:

[The Watchman]

Hey stranger. :)
Great to see you. I've missed you.

New job has been draining all my personal time, but I'm starting to find my groove again. :up:

[RakuMon]

I don't know if the Welling/SV comics influences thread is still around, but having recently picked up the All-Star Superman hardcover (I'd read the individual issues but fell behind), this great image really reminded me of Tom for some reason:

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5918_400x600.jpg

Oh, it's definitely still around. Here you go!

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190156&page=25

[Ultimate_Superman]

I don't know if the Welling/SV comics influences thread is still around, but having recently picked up the All-Star Superman hardcover (I'd read the individual issues but fell behind), this great image really reminded me of Tom for some reason:

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5918_400x600.jpgThat issue read more like Superman: The movie and the issue of Superboy where the Kent's died then Smallville IMO.

[RakuMon]

Hey stranger. :)
Great to see you. I've missed you.



Think you can remember to tell me when they come out with the Ultimate? Please? I'd definitely buy that.

DC's Absolute Editions are pricey though. It won't be available for anything less than $75.

[Spidey Lover 10]

I Wanna see tw as Supes! THATLL BE FREAKIN SWEAT!

[Ultimate_Superman]

I can't wait for the "12 labors of Superman." :up:You do know 4 out of the 12 are already over right.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I can't wait for the "12 labors of Superman." :up:You do know 4 out of the 12 are already over right.

[SamuraiSon6]

ladies and gentlemen of the forum, i give you.....

The Double Post

[SamuraiSon6]

i like your new avatar serene, very nice

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Assuming this is true there might be some hope still for a reboot and "our" Superman:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271511

[Pickle-El]

Yeah, okay, keep holding on to those assumptions and one-sided websites for your info!

We can still dream!

[Ultimate_Superman]

Assuming this is true there might be some hope still for a reboot and "our" Superman:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271511I don't mean to burst your bubble but you do know all reboot news has been debunked right? Man of Steel will happen in 2009 its just a matter of if you will support it or not.

[KalKai]

Nothing has been dubunked, and nothing has been confirmed, remember, what anyone believes is irrelevant, only facts matter, and right now, nobody's got any, and wow, that Ita-KalEl user is 1 desperate guy, he got absolutely no clue.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Nothing has been dubunked, and nothing has been confirmed, remember, what anyone believes is irrelevant, only facts matter, and right now, nobody's got any, and wow, that Ita-KalEl user is 1 desperate guy, he got absolutely no clue.Singer gas confirmed that he is directing and shooting SR2 in 2008. So yes the movie is being made.

[KalKai]

Read Matt's post All-Star, he speaks the truth.

[Ultimate_Superman]

^^ Your correct on that one and I do agree with Mat there until we see a press release we do know jack about whats going on.

[AgentPat]

Nothing has been debunked, and nothing has been confirmed, remember, what anyone believes is irrelevant, only facts matter, and right now, nobody's got any, and wow, that Ita-KalEl user is 1 desperate guy, he got absolutely no clue.I started to respond to that post and then I thought, the hell am I doing? I'd rather just sit back and laugh at the idiocy.

Singer gas confirmed that he is directing and shooting SR2 in 2008.I love a good typo. LOL :p

Seriously though, people are arguing SV's ratings, as if the five million people the show averages every week represents a potential film's only audience. Nobody on that thread has apparently figured out it's not the same five million people that watch SV every week, and such numbers don't include the millions of other people who either purchase or download the show because they can't see it where they live.

Then there's the popularity argument and the teen idol angle, as if the main protagonists in either of the last two Superman franchises were household names.

Dumb. Just dumb.

Bottom line: If you build an action/adventure film with a great story, fun characters, and lots of eye candy, audiences will come. Make it really entertaining and they'll come back with friends. It's really quite simple. Making the film isn't the problem. Convincing Warners to risk millions of investor's dollars on it being done right, is.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I love a good typo. LOL :p

Seriously though, people are arguing SV's ratings, as if the five million people the show averages every week represents a potential film's only audience. Nobody on that thread has apparently figured out it's not the same five million people that watch SV every week, and such numbers don't include the millions of other people who either purchase or download the show because they can't see it where they live.

Then there's the popularity argument and the teen idol angle, as if the main protagonists in either of the last two Superman franchises were household names.

Dumb. Just dumb.

Bottom line: If you build an action/adventure film with a great story, fun characters, and lots of eye candy, audiences will come. Make it really entertaining and they'll come back with friends. It's really quite simple. Making the film isn't the problem. Convincing Warners to risk millions of investor's dollars on it being done right, is.Just noticed it LOL.

Anyways as I said there I personally don't care what Warner does because in the end they will do what they want to do. I personally loved the movie and thought it had a great story but lacked heavily on action; but I still don't think it needs a restart. However if Warner does decide to do a restart the only actor I would want playing Superman (thats if they get a new cast) is Welling. I think he would be great in the role especially if they did Superman: Birthright. But either way I just want a good movie. I thought I got one in 2006 and I am hoping to get another one in 2009 be it whoever is in charge.

[AgentPat]

Without cracking open another can of worms, it still baffles me why we can't have both. I think the confusion between franchises argument is silly; audiences aren't that stupid. The whole controversy over not having different actors play the same character at the same time in different franchises only limits options because people have preferences. Moreover, if both films are done well, there's no reason to expect people wouldn't want to see both. Let the current Superman franchise go off in whatever direction it goes, but do a Smallville or JLA movie too. If they made it very different from the current SR franchise, it would help to maintain character separation. 300 is a good example of a movie with a unique look.

The issue that I keep seeing is Warner's bullheaded emphasis on wanting uniformity. For example, G&M envisioned a different FOS. As much as I loved Donner's version, I would have liked to see what G&M would have created had they not basically been told what to do. If SV were allowed to proceed w/o worrying about "egregious mythology clashes," maybe they could be even more creative than they already are. It's bad enough TV show plots are scrutinized before they're approved by the network that airs them. SV has that, DC *and* Warner Bros. to answer to. I wonder if G&M have stock in Rogaine because I'd be pulling my hair out at the roots too...

[Ultimate_Superman]

Without cracking open another can of worms, it still baffles me why we can't have both. I think the confusion between franchises argument is silly; audiences aren't that stupid. The whole controversy over not having different actors play the same character at the same time in different franchises only limits options because people have preferences. Moreover, if both films are done well, there's no reason to expect people wouldn't want to see both. Let the current Superman franchise go off in whatever direction it goes, but do a Smallville or JLA movie too. If they made it very different from the current SR franchise, it would help to maintain character separation. 300 is a good example of a movie with a unique look.

The issue that I keep seeing is Warner's bullheaded emphasis on wanting uniformity. For example, G&M envisioned a different FOS. As much as I loved Donner's version, I would have liked to see what G&M would have created had they not basically been told what to do. If SV were allowed to proceed w/o worrying about "egregious mythology clashes," maybe they could be even more creative than they already are. It's bad enough TV show plots are scrutinized before they're approved by the network that airs them. SV has that, DC *and* Warner Bros. to answer to. I wonder if G&M have stock in Rogaine because I'd be pulling my hair out at the roots too...
I agree with everything you said.

[MJZ]

You do know 4 out of the 12 are already over right.

I always assumed that each issue was to be representative of one but given some of the language in the 6th issue I was lead to believe the "12 labors" haven't occurred yet.

That issue read more like Superman: The movie and the issue of Superboy where the Kent's died then Smallville IMO.

I said the image reminded me of Welling, not that the issue as a whole was somewhat representative of the show.

You've got to learn to suppress those urges to be a schmuck. :)

[RakuMon]

The issue that I keep seeing is Warner's bullheaded emphasis on wanting uniformity. For example, G&M envisioned a different FOS. As much as I loved Donner's version, I would have liked to see what G&M would have created had they not basically been told what to do. If SV were allowed to proceed w/o worrying about "egregious mythology clashes," maybe they could be even more creative than they already are. It's bad enough TV show plots are scrutinized before they're approved by the network that airs them. SV has that, DC *and* Warner Bros. to answer to. I wonder if G&M have stock in Rogaine because I'd be pulling my hair out at the roots too...

I hate that too. From Season One to Season Three, G&M had a clear trajectory for their interpretation of Superman and Kryptonian mythology. Somewhere along the line, that got usurped by Features. Case in point is something I always bring up: Krypto-technology.

Ever since Season One, we've had a clear idea of what Kryptonian technolgoy looked like. The ship, the key, the heart, Jor-El's pendant all had a consistent look and feel. Then, all of a sudden, everything became crystals? WTF?! I too would have liked to see what their take on the FOS might have been. If you take the pattern established by the Krypto tech we've already seen, I bet the SV-verse's Krypton could have been a welcome departure from movie continuity.

(Even the comics have adopted the Donner/Singer design for its fortress.)

[Ultimate_Superman]

I hate that too. From Season One to Season Three, G&M had a clear trajectory for their interpretation of Superman and Kryptonian mythology. Somewhere along the line, that got usurped by Features. Case in point is something I always bring up: Krypto-technology.

Ever since Season One, we've had a clear idea of what Kryptonian technolgoy looked like. The ship, the key, the heart, Jor-El's pendant all had a consistent look and feel. Then, all of a sudden, everything became crystals? WTF?! I too would have liked to see what their take on the FOS might have been. If you take the pattern established by the Krypto tech we've already seen, I bet the SV-verse's Krypton could have been a welcome departure from movie continuity.

(Even the comics have adopted the Donner/Singer design for its fortress.)As I said before the Singer/Donner world is in the Superman Comics. Supergirl is more like SV where you have her ship and stories feeling more like Smallville. Now when the Supergirl movie comes out that may change but for now it is more like Smallville. Which is why I say if your not a fan of the movies now really isn't the time to read Superman to much.

[Super_Hero]

LoL!

fued over superman!

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Guys on this subject check THIS OUT ! It's HILLARIOUS !
part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av6fWfmugds&mode=related&search=

part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvFjo5TTY6c&mode=related&search=

part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytqV6GEHW24&mode=related&search=

part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rp2f2OcCpQ&mode=related&search=

On a side note, just seen Spidey 3 and that is what a new Superman movie should have been like !

[SamuraiSon6]

haha lol those are hilarious

[Timstuff]

LOL those are hillarious. :D

[Super_Hero]

Yea, pretty funny!

*woot*

[Billy Batson]

On a side note, just seen Spidey 3 and that is what a new Superman movie should have been like !

Amen to that. :up:

Which is why I say if your not a fan of the movies now really isn't the time to read Superman to much.

THEY(WB) KILLED SUPERMAN. :csad:
The SUPERMAN & BATMAN comic book (IMHO) the only one worth buying.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Amen to that. :up:



THEY(WB) KILLED SUPERMAN. :csad:
The SUPERMAN & BATMAN comic book (IMHO) the only one worth buying.

Yup, that's the only comic I buy.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com/
Tom Welling (Tom is also mentioned in some of the comments made on the article) and Erica Durance are mentioned in the Spider-Man 3 article.

[KalKai]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/928/kalel3pg4.jpg

[Zorex]

Nice trio of images! We didn't see nearly enough of Daily Planet Clark. More! And it's unfortunate we don't have an actual photo or still of Welling in the costume...yet...

I also wish that \S/ wasn't so huge. But that's neither here nor there.

What IS here...is Welling filling out that t-shirt. Really well.

[AgentPat]

Nice trio of images! We didn't see nearly enough of Daily Planet Clark. More! And it's unfortunate we don't have an actual photo or still of Welling in the costume...yet...

I also wish that \S/ wasn't so huge. But that's neither here nor there.

What IS here...is Welling filling out that t-shirt. Really well.LOL! You noticed that too, huh? :D

Great stuff, Kai! :up:

The dude that does the sarcastic ep reviews over at TWOP was particularly funny in his Noir piece...

From the recap:
"Jimmy meets Chloe, who's an ace assistant at the paper, and beefy Clark Kent, a big slab of man who turns out to be a police detective with killer biceps who fell in love with Lana Luthor."

And from the detail:
DP: "Chloe starts to walk off, but a big lunk of manliness runs into her. It's Clark Kent, wearing big black-framed glasses and a tie plus suspenders. Nerd! He drops a bunch of little papers and apologizes. Clark stands and sees that Chloe spilled coffee on herself. He says that they haven't even met yet and he's already ruined her blouse. Jimmy watches as Clark makes a big show of dabbing her boobs with a napkin trying to clean her up. I think this is frowned upon even today in the workplace. Chloe just smiles at him and doesn't move to slap. "This is very..." he says. It's all right. Even back then, they knew Clark was a little...not very straight. Chloe just smiles. Clark awkwardly introduces himself. He adjusts his glasses. Chloe says it's quite all right. She gives him a little flirty glance as he goes to a desk and attacks a typewriter with two fingers."

Luthors: "[Lana] slowly puts on a skirt over her slip. Hey, I know that lunky guy in the background! Clark Kent, wearing a no-sleeve undershirt, comes up behind her. Holy beefy biceps! Ladies, start your engines!"

LMAO!!! I got a kick out of reading that.

Anyhoo, in the dept of things I *should* have noticed earlier but didn't...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/combat6.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/manip-cas3.jpg

:D

[Syncos]

Oh wow Pat, that's a great comparison. Definitely wouldn't have caught that one.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

that image is begging for a manip.

[AgentPat]

Helmet in place?

Check. :up:



Aight. I'm gonna cross post this piece of news from the other TW thread (thanks Avid), 'cause THIS is the kinda stuff I know rings bells. Somewhere. *cough*

From Teens.AOL.com (http://teens.aol.com/style/20-most-beautiful-celebrities?photo=17):

http://cdn.channel.aol.com/aolr/tom-welling-400a0507.jpg

4. Tom Welling

If you don't think Superman is beautiful, then you just aren't American. OK, maybe that's too harsh, but we love us some Superman. Tom Welling plays Clark Kent on 'Smallville.' His masculine jawline and piercing baby-blue eyes are amazing. He is tall, dark and handsome and can rescue us from danger any day. Um, and have you seen his abs? Exactly.

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/burn.gif

:oldrazz:



And now for the really interesting stuff...

Superman: Selling The Man of Steel
January 2002

Excerpts:

Last year, 31.6 million U.S. teens spent an estimated $155 billion, and increase of 8% over the previous year according to Teenage Research Unlimited. (ABC News Ventures.) This demonstrates that teens are powerful consumers, and a desirable audience for marketers who use hip, young programs like WB's Smallville to attract this demographic. Once they get their attention then they can sell them everything from food to on-line services. And to get their attention, they must present viewers with characters and heroes that they can identify with. The WB network's new program Smallville offers a modern interpretation of Superman for today's youth audiences.

...

Superman's latest incarnation on Smallville as a teen hero is indicative of the cultural environment in the United States. We presently live in a culture that is youth oriented; this is primarily motivated by advertisers desire to capture young audiences early for sale of their products. Many social factors contribute to this current environment. The Baby boomers, the largest population segment in the history of the United States, are now the parents of the 2nd wave of this surge in population growth. The "Echo" generation of American youngsters comprise nearly 40.8 million youth and teen viewers and potential consumers for advertiser's products. (Karl.)

They also have large disposable incomes that make them an excellent demographic for target marketing. These kids are media-savvy; they have grown up with television, advertising and exposure to multi-media. They make prime targets for crossover advertising as seen on the WB with tie-in product placements for music videos (as heard throughout the episodes) and for use of other products available on-line.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/comics.php?topic=articles/selling-mos


Put a pot of coffee on before diving into this one...

Twenty-first century Superman: Smallville and New Media mythmaking
Jump Cut, No. 48, Winter 2006

Excerpts:

The concept of a young, unsure Clark Kent not only evokes the notion of transition and mobility that accompanies the myth of Superman, but also humanizes the character in a way designed to appeal to The WB's younger viewers.

By adding elements of high school and family drama to the Superman story, Millar and Gough were also remixing the previously successful formulas of The WB shows like Dawson's Creek and 7th Heaven (1996-present), which have drawn fans through realistic characters and storylines with which younger, mostly female, viewers easily identify. When The WB initially conceived of marketing strategies for Smallville, the network wanted to create interest in the show in their historically strong demographic, females 18-34, but also expand their audience to encompass the coveted male 18-34 demographic. Initial focus groups showed that

"teens — particularly girls — did not like Superman, did not think he was cool, and did not want to watch a show about him" (Hibberd, 19).

To avoid the apparent stigma attached to the Superman franchise, Suzanne Kolb, The WB's executive VP of marketing, embarked on "an anti-Superman Superman campaign" which flirted with Superman iconography while focusing primarily on the show's story as "a cute boy who's tormented by his high school peers and has a deep, dark secret" (Hibberd, 19). The image of Tom Welling (Clark Kent) shirtless with a red S painted on his chest and looking tormented was intended to appeal to the teenage girls while also suggesting the more action-oriented storylines associated with Superman as an icon.

...

Of course, finding identity through narrative consumption has in some respect been happening since cavemen drew pictures on walls. The ability of a consumer to choose from an indescribably vast array of narratives and use these texts as tools to construct how she would like to be perceived to the outside world, however, gets closer to Manovich's vision of the effect new media texts have on identity. Although declaring one's fan affiliation used to carry with it a Trekkie-like social stigma, the sheer proliferation of information available has privileged the act of choice as a necessary reaction to increased media options. As Jenkins wrote in 1992, popular culture representations vilified the fan as

"a 'fanatic' or false worshiper, whose interests are fundamentally alien to the realm of ‘normal' cultural experience and whose mentality is dangerously out of touch with reality" (15).

Jenkins' use of the word "reality" relates to the way in which the idea of consuming a narrative like Smallville as a world extending past the television text itself has changed from a subversive, fan-propelled process to an explicitly stated goal of the show's producers.

Whereas studies of fan culture in the past have relied upon drawing a distinction between the typical consumer of a television text and the more rabid fan interested in immersing herself in a fictional universe, it's becoming clear that the confluence of factors surrounding the transition to a culture of convergence encourages all fans, cult or mainstream, to invest time, effort, and money in a narrative that extends far beyond the TV screen. As Jenkins writes,

"If media convergence is to become a viable corporate strategy, it will be because consumers have learned new ways to interact with media content" (2003, 291).

Yet in all the discourse surrounding the production, marketing, and consumption of Smallville, one fact remains abundantly clear. The story is about Superman, and Superman represents the ultimate figure for the socially unsure: a clumsy and awkward geek on the outside, a charming, powerful, moral superhero on the inside. As one reviewer of Smallville put it,

"Clark's an outsider, no matter how beautiful, fast or powerful he is. He is, in that sense, every teenager who wants the prettiest girl in school but for one reason or another can't have her" (Oxman, 46).

I don't think it's a stretch to say that the character of Superman speaks to most Americans in this way, at least those of us who aren't (or weren't) football stars or homecoming queens in high school. I discussed how Smallville was marketed in a way to prevent teenagers from finding Clark Kent "uncool," and I think this speaks to Superman's fundamental flexibility — Superman can always be altered to seem cool to a younger generation, but only if he speaks to each new generation in a language they understand.

http://ejumpcut.org/archive/jc48.2006/SmallvilleFans/text.html

:ninja:

[Gmanofsteel]

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:)

[Serene]

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4786/twblack2dpjz2.png

:)

Hee! "Back in Black" I love it. :D

[COMPO]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/928/kalel3pg4.jpg

Wow, i can't tell the difference.:woot:

[COMPO]

Guys on this subject check THIS OUT ! It's HILLARIOUS !
part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av6fWfmugds&mode=related&search=

part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvFjo5TTY6c&mode=related&search=

part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytqV6GEHW24&mode=related&search=

part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rp2f2OcCpQ&mode=related&search=

On a side note, just seen Spidey 3 and that is what a new Superman movie should have been like !

Hillarious.

[KalKai]

Helmet in place?

Check. :up:



Aight. I'm gonna cross post this piece of news from the other TW thread (thanks Avid), 'cause THIS is the kinda stuff I know rings bells. Somewhere. *cough*

From Teens.AOL.com (http://teens.aol.com/style/20-most-beautiful-celebrities?photo=17):http://cdn.channel.aol.com/aolr/tom-welling-400a0507.jpg

4. Tom Welling

If you don't think Superman is beautiful, then you just aren't American. OK, maybe that's too harsh, but we love us some Superman. Tom Welling plays Clark Kent on 'Smallville.' His masculine jawline and piercing baby-blue eyes are amazing. He is tall, dark and handsome and can rescue us from danger any day. Um, and have you seen his abs? Exactly.http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/burn.gif

:oldrazz:



And now for the really interesting stuff...Superman: Selling The Man of Steel
January 2002

Excerpts:

Last year, 31.6 million U.S. teens spent an estimated $155 billion, and increase of 8% over the previous year according to Teenage Research Unlimited. (ABC News Ventures.) This demonstrates that teens are powerful consumers, and a desirable audience for marketers who use hip, young programs like WB's Smallville to attract this demographic. Once they get their attention then they can sell them everything from food to on-line services. And to get their attention, they must present viewers with characters and heroes that they can identify with. The WB network's new program Smallville offers a modern interpretation of Superman for today's youth audiences.

...

Superman's latest incarnation on Smallville as a teen hero is indicative of the cultural environment in the United States. We presently live in a culture that is youth oriented; this is primarily motivated by advertisers desire to capture young audiences early for sale of their products. Many social factors contribute to this current environment. The Baby boomers, the largest population segment in the history of the United States, are now the parents of the 2nd wave of this surge in population growth. The "Echo" generation of American youngsters comprise nearly 40.8 million youth and teen viewers and potential consumers for advertiser's products. (Karl.)

They also have large disposable incomes that make them an excellent demographic for target marketing. These kids are media-savvy; they have grown up with television, advertising and exposure to multi-media. They make prime targets for crossover advertising as seen on the WB with tie-in product placements for music videos (as heard throughout the episodes) and for use of other products available on-line.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/comics.php?topic=articles/selling-mosPut a pot of coffee on before diving into this one...Twenty-first century Superman: Smallville and New Media mythmaking
Jump Cut, No. 48, Winter 2006

Excerpts:

The concept of a young, unsure Clark Kent not only evokes the notion of transition and mobility that accompanies the myth of Superman, but also humanizes the character in a way designed to appeal to The WB's younger viewers.

By adding elements of high school and family drama to the Superman story, Millar and Gough were also remixing the previously successful formulas of The WB shows like Dawson's Creek and 7th Heaven (1996-present), which have drawn fans through realistic characters and storylines with which younger, mostly female, viewers easily identify. When The WB initially conceived of marketing strategies for Smallville, the network wanted to create interest in the show in their historically strong demographic, females 18-34, but also expand their audience to encompass the coveted male 18-34 demographic. Initial focus groups showed that "teens — particularly girls — did not like Superman, did not think he was cool, and did not want to watch a show about him" (Hibberd, 19).To avoid the apparent stigma attached to the Superman franchise, Suzanne Kolb, The WB's executive VP of marketing, embarked on "an anti-Superman Superman campaign" which flirted with Superman iconography while focusing primarily on the show's story as "a cute boy who's tormented by his high school peers and has a deep, dark secret" (Hibberd, 19). The image of Tom Welling (Clark Kent) shirtless with a red S painted on his chest and looking tormented was intended to appeal to the teenage girls while also suggesting the more action-oriented storylines associated with Superman as an icon.

...

Of course, finding identity through narrative consumption has in some respect been happening since cavemen drew pictures on walls. The ability of a consumer to choose from an indescribably vast array of narratives and use these texts as tools to construct how she would like to be perceived to the outside world, however, gets closer to Manovich's vision of the effect new media texts have on identity. Although declaring one's fan affiliation used to carry with it a Trekkie-like social stigma, the sheer proliferation of information available has privileged the act of choice as a necessary reaction to increased media options. As Jenkins wrote in 1992, popular culture representations vilified the fan as "a 'fanatic' or false worshiper, whose interests are fundamentally alien to the realm of ‘normal' cultural experience and whose mentality is dangerously out of touch with reality" (15).Jenkins' use of the word "reality" relates to the way in which the idea of consuming a narrative like Smallville as a world extending past the television text itself has changed from a subversive, fan-propelled process to an explicitly stated goal of the show's producers.

Whereas studies of fan culture in the past have relied upon drawing a distinction between the typical consumer of a television text and the more rabid fan interested in immersing herself in a fictional universe, it's becoming clear that the confluence of factors surrounding the transition to a culture of convergence encourages all fans, cult or mainstream, to invest time, effort, and money in a narrative that extends far beyond the TV screen. As Jenkins writes, "If media convergence is to become a viable corporate strategy, it will be because consumers have learned new ways to interact with media content" (2003, 291).Yet in all the discourse surrounding the production, marketing, and consumption of Smallville, one fact remains abundantly clear. The story is about Superman, and Superman represents the ultimate figure for the socially unsure: a clumsy and awkward geek on the outside, a charming, powerful, moral superhero on the inside. As one reviewer of Smallville put it, "Clark's an outsider, no matter how beautiful, fast or powerful he is. He is, in that sense, every teenager who wants the prettiest girl in school but for one reason or another can't have her" (Oxman, 46). I don't think it's a stretch to say that the character of Superman speaks to most Americans in this way, at least those of us who aren't (or weren't) football stars or homecoming queens in high school. I discussed how Smallville was marketed in a way to prevent teenagers from finding Clark Kent "uncool," and I think this speaks to Superman's fundamental flexibility — Superman can always be altered to seem cool to a younger generation, but only if he speaks to each new generation in a language they understand.

http://ejumpcut.org/archive/jc48.2006/SmallvilleFans/text.html:ninja:

That was a long read. Truer words have never been spoken. :up:

[avidreader]

^^^^ That was a long read, but very interesting.

I cant tell you how many times I've read someone say on various forums, how they just werent interested in Superman until Smallville came along. Here was a Superman that they could all finally identify with, who had emotions and desires just like the rest of us.

Thanks for posting the article Pat. :yay:

[COMPO]

maybe, when Smallville ends this may open to more Superman projects? Besides the movies. Superman tv-series? Cartoons? You name it?

[Billy Batson]

Sad how the WB did not cash in, on that demographic Smallville attracted. :csad:
I guess Baby Boomers were a more attractive demographic for the film franchise.? :huh:

[Conan]

Sad how the WB did not cash in, on that demographic Smallville attracted. :csad:
I guess Baby Boomers were a more attractive demographic for the film franchise.? :huh:Well that mainly has to do with Welling IMO and not wanting to be typed cast as Superman. The WB did give him first option to be Superman and according to rumors he kept turning them down. Hell it is even rumored that Singer had to approach Welling first before using Routh. So its not like they didn't have the chance to do so. My problem is though they should have never killed off Superboy because you would have seen SV come out through the comics through him; but since they killed Superboy they are now using SV in the comics through Supergirl (a series which is about to be canceled God Willing).

[JackMercy]

Well that mainly has to do with Welling IMO and not wanting to be typed cast as Superman. The WB did give him first option to be Superman and according to rumors he kept turning them down. Hell it is even rumored that Singer had to approach Welling first before using Routh. So its not like they didn't have the chance to do so.


Again I wonder why people like to refer to Warner Bros. Studios as "The WB", when that is actually the [former] name of the TV network...

Regarding Mr. W. -- should we get this all started again?

...Naahh.


Although there is this pesky little mite that keeps itching me around my ear, no matter how much I try to ignore it, it just won't go away...

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1490116/08112004/story.jhtml
(for the newbies to research)


Sorry, I'm a bit cranky today...

;)

[AgentPat]

Aw Jack, if you feed them, they will come....

http://www.scarysquirrel.org/current/pizza/pics/pizza5.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/nervous.gif




Okay, new topic! Sorta. 'Cause I don't think it's been addressed, and it's not against the "rules." ;) :D

Y'all know about the new JLA film Warners has been noodling around with, right? They've got a first draft in hand, and MSN listed some plot rumors about the script a few months ago:

...In the meantime, word was circulating that one of the ideas the Mulroneys had was to structure "League" with an older Batman who was guiding a younger Superman and Wonder Woman. The rumor ends with the studio wanting Tom Welling (Smallville) portraying the younger Man of Steel...

http://movies.msn.com/movies/hitlist/02-27-07_4?GT1=7701Initially, I wrote off the Welling part as just another rumor for the pile, particularly since G&M were talking two more seasons of SV at the time. I thought, no WAY Warners would want to wait that long for Welling if they're already soliciting script ideas.


http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/but.gif with the recent rumors of spinning-off SuperGirl into her own series, the popularity of SV's Justice episode, not to mention Welling's commitment to the SV franchise for two more years despite Rosenbaum and Kreuk's apparent desire to be done at the end of S7, I have to wonder what's been cooking behind closed doors recently.

Anybody? Buehler?



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[Conan]

To be honest I doubt Welling will be Superman for the JLA movie. I however do not doubt that we could see Welling in the Supergirl series as DP Clark or as Superman which I would love to see.

[KalKai]

Who knows Patsy, anything is possible. It's a too early to say. Better wait for something concrete to happen don't you think? :O

[JackMercy]

Hey Pat... can you smelllllll what the studio is cooking...?

There are a couple of recipes I could pontificate on, but...


....nahhh...


I will say that, as always, I think Pat has got her noggin hypothetically pointing in the right direction...


What is the deal with "Season 8," anyway...?

;)

[AgentPat]

Hey Pat... can you smelllllll what the studio is cooking...?Yeah, all the way over here in Boston. I just don't know what it is. Could be meat. Could be cake. [/George Carlin]

There are a couple of recipes I could pontificate on, but...Well, you could just speculate LOL. We won't hold your feet to the fire. :p

I will say that, as always, I think Pat has got her noggin hypothetically pointing in the right direction...Hey, I try. Remember this?
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=11288760&postcount=1552

Funny how things that are "whack" at first make more sense with additional data. And that was just thinking in terms of a film. We were pretty myopic with spin-off scenarios too. For example, how many times have we batted around the idea of a "Metropolis" show and what appeal it would hold if the cast or focus was changed? Did anybody put much thought into a spin-off show where Welling was involved but it *wasn't* "about" Clark Kent (or Superman?) Nope. We came close, but no cheroot...
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=10700184&postcount=1096

Welling showing up in a spin-off show *about* Supergirl could be like Lee Majors appearing in The Bionic Woman. Would I watch it then? Uh. YEAH!

Busted! :O

Every time I think TPTB are a bunch of retards when it comes to planning ahead, something like this slaps me upside the noodle and reminds me they are SO not as dumb as they look LOLOL!!!
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=10701015&postcount=1100

What is the deal with "Season 8," anyway...?Hah! Tell me about it. We all ruminated the S8 thing, especially after the JLA information came out in February. The soup keeps getting thicker, just like the plot.

Stay tuned...

[COMPO]

i hope there sin't a season 8 although, if season 7 is amazing then, i might change my mind, but, season 6 i thought was good but, i didn't think it was as good as the Brainiac one. There was too many story lines.

[Gmanofsteel]

Hee! "Back in Black" I love it. :D

thanks Rene :)

Here's another manip sporting one of the former suit designs ;)

http://a529.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/35/l_95e274b115998f85d05700f7e7da71f0.png

[RakuMon]

Yeah, all the way over here in Boston. I just don't know what it is. Could be meat. Could be cake. [/George Carlin]

Well, you could just speculate LOL. We won't hold your feet to the fire. :p

Hey, I try. Remember this?
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=11288760&postcount=1552

Funny how things that are "whack" at first make more sense with additional data. And that was just thinking in terms of a film. We were pretty myopic with spin-off scenarios too. For example, how many times have we batted around the idea of a "Metropolis" show and what appeal it would hold if the cast or focus was changed? Did anybody put much thought into a spin-off show where Welling was involved but it *wasn't* "about" Clark Kent (or Superman?) Nope. We came close, but no cheroot...
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=10700184&postcount=1096

Welling showing up in a spin-off show *about* Supergirl could be like Lee Majors appearing in The Bionic Woman. Would I watch it then? Uh. YEAH!

Busted! :O

Every time I think TPTB are a bunch of retards when it comes to planning ahead, something like this slaps me upside the noodle and reminds me they are SO not as dumb as they look LOLOL!!!
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=10701015&postcount=1100

Hah! Tell me about it. We all ruminated the S8 thing, especially after the JLA information came out in February. The soup keeps getting thicker, just like the plot.

Stay tuned...


Hey Pat, it's nice to see that I was the one constant in all the posts you linked to! :D

[Conan]

This article here is saying the Superman you may see in the JLA movie will more then likely not be Welling.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/02/22/justice-league-of-america-movie-announced/

[Serene]

This article here is saying the Superman you may see in the JLA movie will more then likely not be Welling.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/02/22/justice-league-of-america-movie-announced/

Even if Tom isn't cast in the JLA movie (if it even gets made), I honestly hope that they recast Superman for it. And that's not a bashing kind of hope, it's just honest opinion. With Bale as Batman, you need a Supes with a huge commanding presence. I can't see that happening with Routh, and as much as I like Bale, I don't want Supes overshadowed by Batman. I'd prefer Tom, of course, but my second choice is definitely a recast.

Shall we go for Casting Wars II? :D

[Conan]

Even if Tom isn't cast in the JLA movie (if it even gets made), I honestly hope that they recast Superman for it. And that's not a bashing kind of hope, it's just honest opinion. With Bale as Batman, you need a Supes with a huge commanding presence. I can't see that happening with Routh, and as much as I like Bale, I don't want Supes overshadowed by Batman. I'd prefer Tom, of course, but my second choice is definitely a recast.

Shall we go for Casting Wars II? :DI somewhat agree with you there but the problem comes. On the Bat boards a while back like a year or two ago rumor has it when Bale met Routh at the MTV movie awards they became great and Blae stated he would only do a team up movie if BR was in it. But thats what the rumors were over there dont hold me to it.

[COMPO]

didn't they have different views of a batman/Superman movie, Bale wanted them to fighting against each other and Routh wanted them working together.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

If those rumors are true, Warner could be testing the waters to see how the public will react to Welling taking the mantle, first in a JLA movie and if that proves to be a sucess....you know what's coming.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do delay Singer's sequel to make JLA first.

[Conan]

didn't they have different views of a batman/Superman movie, Bale wanted them to fighting against each other and Routh wanted them working together.Yes and no he (Bale) thought they should fight or be at odds for most of the movie (like their cartoon counter parts) The other guy thought it should be more like their silver age counter parts.

[Conan]

If those rumors are true, Warner could be testing the waters to see how the public will react to Welling taking the mantle, first in a JLA movie and if that proves to be a sucess....you know what's coming.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do delay Singer's sequel to make JLA first.According to Variety they are still moving forward with SR2 it is just internet rumors by fans saying other wise.

[Pickle-El]

According to Variety they are still moving forward with SR2 it is just internet rumors by fans saying other wise.

...

[KalKai]

Conan check your own thread, and read the article.

[AgentPat]

i hope there isn't a season 8 although, if season 7 is amazing then, i might change my mind, but, season 6 i thought was good but, i didn't think it was as good as the Brainiac one. There was too many story lines.I agree. In retrospect, I think S5 was the best. It was the most entertaining, and with a few small exceptions, the whole season was all about Clark. Imagine that? A Superman show that actually focuses on Clark Kent. OUTstanding! [/R. Lee Ermey voice] LOL

So yeah, I'm ALL for a S8, provided they can keep the show about Clark. If they want to use the show as spin-off fodder (not that I blame them), then I'd rather see the cast move onto bigger and better things - like, oh... I dunno, a film maybe? :D

Here's another manip sporting one of the former suit designs ;)Good manip, though I'm not into that suit. And that expression... hah!!! Too funny. :p

Hey Pat, it's nice to see that I was the one constant in all the posts you linked to! :DYou pose the "bestest" questions for speculating, Raku. You get me thinking, and it's fun to go back and see how close we were. Or alternately, how we completely missed the boat. LMAO!!! :up:

This article here is saying the Superman you may see in the JLA movie will more then likely not be Welling.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/02/22/justice-league-of-america-movie-announced/Y'know, I *just* got new eyeglasses a few months ago, but I'll be damned if I can see where that article even mentions Welling's name, never less says anything about the rumor quoted over at MSN. In fact, the "slashfilm" (LOL?!) article offers no new information, and can only speculate on the most obvious options based on current casting contracts held by actors in the two other franchises.

Even if Tom isn't cast in the JLA movie (if it even gets made), I honestly hope that they recast Superman for it. And that's not a bashing kind of hope, it's just honest opinion. With Bale as Batman, you need a Supes with a huge commanding presence. I can't see that happening with Routh, and as much as I like Bale, I don't want Supes overshadowed by Batman. I'd prefer Tom, of course, but my second choice is definitely a recast.Agreed, but a lot depends on the script. Because honestly, I'd have a hard time buying into Chris Reeve's Superman trumping Bale's Batman in the "commanding presence" category LOL.

I like how SV approaches the character. Clark IS a boyscout. He's very idealistic and doesn't believe the end justifies the means. We see a "commanding presence" when he goes up against an adversary ("Leave her alone!" "You don't want to be here!" "Get OUT!"), but he's more the voice of reason, moderation and compassion in group discussion. It's a different kind of presence.

If the JLA script calls for all heroes to be of similar ages, then I'd like to see the group look up to Superman as their unofficial "leader" not because he's stronger or because they all agree with his philosophy, but because he has a commanding wisdom. They all have the same basic goals, but their methods of getting the job done are varied. It takes wisdom and understanding to know which method is the most appropriate for any given situation.

The scenario of an older Batman guiding "younger" heroes works well too. In fact, I think it works better. More humor could be farmed from such a set-up while still delivering compelling characterizations and a depth that reveals their individual strengths and weaknesses.

Either way though, I think Welling would be a wonderful choice IF SV ends after S7. Otherwise, I'd rather see it go the full eight and Warners recast their JLA film.

[COMPO]

I agree. In retrospect, I think S5 was the best. It was the most entertaining, and with a few small exceptions, the whole season was all about Clark. Imagine that? A Superman show that actually focuses on Clark Kent. OUTstanding! [/R. Lee Ermey voice] LOL

What about Lois and Clark? That was about Clark Kent... Oh, you were talking about Smallville, yeah i thought season 6 they cut Clark out a bit i thought him trying to find theg Zoners coudl have been better like he finds one but, it escapes at the last second or it turns into a two part episode which woudl be something different as we only have two part episodes either in the premiere or finale of the season.

So yeah, I'm ALL for a S8, provided they can keep the show about Clark. If they want to use the show as spin-off fodder (not that I blame them), then I'd rather see the cast move onto bigger and better things - like, oh... I dunno, a film maybe? :D

Yeah, i'd like that. It woudl be interesting to see a show about Lois and Daily Planet while, Clark is off training. No one's ever done that we'd see that Lois coudl take care of her self before Clark returned.

[Grinder]

Clark should NEVER just disappear to "train". That was the dumbest stuff in the old movie and also works much better for a real person like Batman who needs to free his soul.

Supe's training is him doing his job --> Learning by doing!

[Syncos]

If the JLA script calls for all heroes to be of similar ages, then I'd like to see the group look up to Superman as their unofficial "leader" not because he's stronger or because they all agree with his philosophy, but because he has a commanding wisdom. They all have the same basic goals, but their methods of getting the job done are varied. It takes wisdom and understanding to know which method is the most appropriate for any given situation.

The scenario of an older Batman guiding "younger" heroes works well too. In fact, I think it works better. More humor could be farmed from such a set-up while still delivering compelling characterizations and a depth that reveals their individual strengths and weaknesses.

Either way though, I think Welling would be a wonderful choice IF SV ends after S7. Otherwise, I'd rather see it go the full eight and Warners recast their JLA film.

I'm not down for the 'Batman guiding younger heroes' thing. Bats is too much of a loner, and would be a bad person to influence all these 'lighter' heroes. I prefer to see him as kind of a part timer to the league. Someone who helps out when he's needed, but doesn't give all his time to the cause.

I wouldn't mind seeing Bats and Supes be a little older than the group. (afterall, they're the worlds finest). And i'd love to see them conflicting on how to handle situations. (considering they'd both be prominent solo acts who handle things drastically different).

We'll see how it goes. I'd definitely support Welling for the role.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm not down for the 'Batman guiding younger heroes' thing. Bats is too much of a loner, and would be a bad person to influence all these 'lighter' heroes. I prefer to see him as kind of a part timer to the league. Someone who helps out when he's needed, but doesn't give all his time to the cause.
.

Didnt he mentor like 3 different Robins and 2 Batgirls?

[triplet]

Didnt he mentor like 3 different Robins and 2 Batgirls?

*snort*

:D

Too funny and very true....

[Conan]

Agreed, but a lot depends on the script. Because honestly, I'd have a hard time buying into Chris Reeve's Superman trumping Bale's Batman in the "commanding presence" category LOL.

I like how SV approaches the character. Clark IS a boyscout. He's very idealistic and doesn't believe the end justifies the means. We see a "commanding presence" when he goes up against an adversary ("Leave her alone!" "You don't want to be here!" "Get OUT!"), but he's more the voice of reason, moderation and compassion in group discussion. It's a different kind of presence.

If the JLA script calls for all heroes to be of similar ages, then I'd like to see the group look up to Superman as their unofficial "leader" not because he's stronger or because they all agree with his philosophy, but because he has a commanding wisdom. They all have the same basic goals, but their methods of getting the job done are varied. It takes wisdom and understanding to know which method is the most appropriate for any given situation.

The scenario of an older Batman guiding "younger" heroes works well too. In fact, I think it works better. More humor could be farmed from such a set-up while still delivering compelling characterizations and a depth that reveals their individual strengths and weaknesses.

Either way though, I think Welling would be a wonderful choice IF SV ends after S7. Otherwise, I'd rather see it go the full eight and Warners recast their JLA film.Where has SV Clark had a "commanding presence"? I mean everytime he teams up with other heroes he turns into their *****. I mean look at Justice he was being bossed around by Green Arrow of all people. I could understand if it was Batman but for most of season 6 GA had the so called "commanding presence" and SV Clark was more timid then anything else. To be honest no version of Superman IMO be it the movies or TV had a "commanding presence" expect for in S:TAS and JL/JLU now thats a commanding presence. Other then that no one else has shown that because in the movies he's never really been put in the situation where he has to take lead expect maybe with the whole Zod thing. And SV they pretty much made every hero that has been on the show look better then Clark and when they finally brought the Justice League on to the show it turned out like how I thought it would. Green Arrow being the leader and having a commanding lead and Clark pretty much being his lap dog. Then when a building blows up and he has a serious face thats suppose to tell us he has a commanding presence I mean come on now.

[AgentPat]

Where has SV Clark had a "commanding presence"? I GAVE you some examples. As stated, we see a "commanding presence" when Clark goes up against an adversary ("Leave her alone!" [Combat], "You don't want to be here!" [Run], "Get OUT! [Wither], "...then sacrifice me, because I'm not going to let you hurt anybody else" [Arrival], etc.) He's had quite a few moments with Lionel too, arguably the most assured and solid character of them all...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/mercy.jpg

Physically, he's pushed his muscle around with characters like Phalan (Rogue), Morgan Edge (Phoenix) and Maddox (Combat)...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/combat1.jpg

And don't ever slip him RedK because he'll take complete control of the room (bar scene in Red, bank robbery in Exile, and Lex and Lana's banquet in Crimson.)

Clark has a HUGE presence. He's shown both passive as well as aggressive command of a situation, and he doesn't need his powers to make him act that way...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/mortal1a.jpg

Of course, having a commanding presence doesn't have to be related to physical power. It could be the power of control and confidence, which is something Lionel has in spades...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/noir3.jpg

Or it could be a charismatic presence, one which Chloe knows all too well, and Lois is just starting to pick up herself. Whitesnake, anybody?

Martha pointed out to Lois that Clark has many sides (Crusade.) She couldn't have phrased it any better.

I mean every time he teams up with other heroes he turns into their *****. I mean look at Justice he was being bossed around by Green Arrow of all people. I could understand if it was Batman but for most of season 6 GA had the so called "commanding presence" and SV Clark was more timid then anything else.This is the power of leadership, but Clark was NEVER "bossed" around by GA. Quite the contrary. Did you see Arrow?

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The writers have gone out of their way to show that Clark doesn't ask for help, doesn't listen to what people tell him, and in point of fact, is bull-headed to his Kryptonian core. GA and others have metaphorically slapped Clark upside the head for these qualities, but they don't boss him around. He in fact is the one telling THEM what to do (Bart in Run, Oliver in Arrow, etc.)

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And SV they pretty much made every hero that has been on the show look better then Clark and when they finally brought the Justice League on to the show it turned out like how I thought it would. Green Arrow being the leader and having a commanding lead and Clark pretty much being his lap dog.I'm utterly convinced you've been watching a different show.

Then when a building blows up and he has a serious face that's suppose to tell us he has a commanding presence I mean come on now.Um... the "serious face" was *before* the facility was blown up. Oliver and Bart waited for Clark's "okay" to set the charges, the approval of which Clark wouldn't give until he knew everybody was safe and away from the plant. Even the bad guys. Despite Clark's bull-headed nature and propensity to want to do everything himself, this is the kind of forethought that sets him apart from the other heroes. It's why the JLA will differ to Superman's wisdom for the final decisions on such matters in the future. It's why HE will ultimately be the group leader at its center, and the go-to guy for advice and council.

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[The Caped Knight]

Didnt he mentor like 3 different Robins and 2 Batgirls?

yes


1. Richard "Dick" Grayson

2. Jason Todd

3. Timothy "Tim" Drake


1. Barbara Gordon

2. Cassandra Cain


Also in the DCAU The New Batman / his son

Terry McGinnis

[avidreader]

I GAVE you some examples. As stated, we see a "commanding presence" when Clark goes up against an adversary ("Leave her alone!" [Combat], "You don't want to be here!" [Run], "Get OUT! [Wither], "...then sacrifice me, because I'm not going to let you hurt anybody else" [Arrival], etc.) He's had quite a few moments with Lionel too, arguably the most assured and solid character of them all...



Physically, he's pushed his muscle around with characters like Phalan (Rogue), Morgan Edge (Phoenix) and Maddox (Combat)...



And don't ever slip him RedK because he'll take complete control of the room (bar scene in Red, bank robbery in Exile, and Lex and Lana's banquet in Crimson.)

Clark has a HUGE presence. He's shown both passive as well as aggressive command of a situation, and he doesn't need his powers to make him act that way...

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So WHAT is that in his back pocket. The current page of the script??

Of course, having a commanding presence doesn't have to be related to physical power. It could be the power of control and confidence, which is something Lionel has in spades...



Or it could be a charismatic presence, one which Chloe knows all too well, and Lois is just starting to pick up herself. Whitesnake, anybody?

Martha pointed out to Lois that Clark has many sides (Crusade.) She couldn't have phrased it any better.

This is the power of leadership, but Clark was NEVER "bossed" around by GA. Quite the contrary. Did you see Arrow?



The writers have gone out of their way to show that Clark doesn't ask for help, doesn't listen to what people tell him, and in point of fact, is bull-headed to his Kryptonian core. GA and others have metaphorically slapped Clark upside the head for these qualities, but they don't boss him around. He in fact is the one telling THEM what to do (Bart in Run, Oliver in Arrow, etc.)



I'm utterly convinced you've been watching a different show.

Um... the "serious face" was *before* the facility was blown up. Oliver and Bart waited for Clark's "okay" to set the charges, the approval of which Clark wouldn't give until he knew everybody was safe and away from the plant. Even the bad guys. Despite Clark's bull-headed nature and propensity to want to do everything himself, this is the kind of forethought that sets him apart from the other heroes. It's why the JLA will differ to Superman's wisdom for the final decisions on such matters in the future. It's why HE will ultimately be the group leader at its center, and the go-to guy for advice and council.

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Ahh Pat, I just love you. :heart:

[Conan]

I GAVE you some examples. As stated, we see a "commanding presence" when Clark goes up against an adversary ("Leave her alone!" [Combat], "You don't want to be here!" [Run], "Get OUT! [Wither], "...then sacrifice me, because I'm not going to let you hurt anybody else" [Arrival], etc.) He's had quite a few moments with Lionel too, arguably the most assured and solid character of them all...



Physically, he's pushed his muscle around with characters like Phalan (Rogue), Morgan Edge (Phoenix) and Maddox (Combat)...



And don't ever slip him RedK because he'll take complete control of the room (bar scene in Red, bank robbery in Exile, and Lex and Lana's banquet in Crimson.)

Clark has a HUGE presence. He's shown both passive as well as aggressive command of a situation, and he doesn't need his powers to make him act that way...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/mortal1a.jpg

Of course, having a commanding presence doesn't have to be related to physical power. It could be the power of control and confidence, which is something Lionel has in spades...

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Or it could be a charismatic presence, one which Chloe knows all too well, and Lois is just starting to pick up herself. Whitesnake, anybody?

Martha pointed out to Lois that Clark has many sides (Crusade.) She couldn't have phrased it any better.

This is the power of leadership, but Clark was NEVER "bossed" around by GA. Quite the contrary. Did you see Arrow?

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The writers have gone out of their way to show that Clark doesn't ask for help, doesn't listen to what people tell him, and in point of fact, is bull-headed to his Kryptonian core. GA and others have metaphorically slapped Clark upside the head for these qualities, but they don't boss him around. He in fact is the one telling THEM what to do (Bart in Run, Oliver in Arrow, etc.)

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I'm utterly convinced you've been watching a different show.

Um... the "serious face" was *before* the facility was blown up. Oliver and Bart waited for Clark's "okay" to set the charges, the approval of which Clark wouldn't give until he knew everybody was safe and away from the plant. Even the bad guys. Despite Clark's bull-headed nature and propensity to want to do everything himself, this is the kind of forethought that sets him apart from the other heroes. It's why the JLA will differ to Superman's wisdom for the final decisions on such matters in the future. It's why HE will ultimately be the group leader at its center, and the go-to guy for advice and council.

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Right so we're going off facial expressions then? If thats the case then Reeve/Routh/Cains Superman could do the job just as well. Welling's Clark is not commanding enough to match up with Bale or Keaton's Batman. Hell none of the guys who played Superman really could match up with them to much. Each one of the guys who actually played Superman have all had commanding looks that are really no different to what we see on SV. The only real Superman who had the commanding presence (facial and acting) to match up with Bale and Keaton is dead (G. Reeves) other then that as I said before Welling can look angry all he wants but he still doesn't have that prescience that will make you say I'll follow him into battle (unless your a woman) because Reeve's Superman gives commanding looks (talking to Zod outside of the Planet or when mortal in the diner). Rouths Superman (which I will not post pictures of out of respect for the forum) gave angry and commanding looks (finding the crystals gone in the fortress, after finding out he was tricked by Lex to go to Krypton, first seeing Lex since his return, The whole plane thing, Looking at Lex get away while lifting NK). Cain as well has had many commanding looks (talking to Lex in the pilot,Stopping the roller coaster, fighting the other guys from krypton and many more just don't feel like going through the whole four seasons). What I am getting at (as many of you have so gladly pointed out many of times) all because one person may look the part doesn't mean they are the right guy. For Welling he has yet to show leadership on SV. Superman is more then giving an angry look

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He is a leader and Welling's Clark is a follower then a leader. He has yet to lead as I said before in Justice the one show where they should have showcased him as a leader they had him as Green Arrows lapdog. But thats okay he had an angry look when he was walking away.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Where has SV Clark had a "commanding presence"? I mean everytime he teams up with other heroes he turns into their *****. I mean look at Justice he was being bossed around by Green Arrow of all people. I could understand if it was Batman but for most of season 6 GA had the so called "commanding presence" and SV Clark was more timid then anything else. To be honest no version of Superman IMO be it the movies or TV had a "commanding presence" expect for in S:TAS and JL/JLU now thats a commanding presence. Other then that no one else has shown that because in the movies he's never really been put in the situation where he has to take lead expect maybe with the whole Zod thing. And SV they pretty much made every hero that has been on the show look better then Clark and when they finally brought the Justice League on to the show it turned out like how I thought it would. Green Arrow being the leader and having a commanding lead and Clark pretty much being his lap dog. Then when a building blows up and he has a serious face thats suppose to tell us he has a commanding presence I mean come on now.


How was Clark Green Arrow's "lapdog" in that episode. If I recall correctly, GA was only calling the shots with all of the other heros. Clark went ahead on his own without their help but was felled by the kryptonite in the lead covered room. He also wouldnt let Ollie blow up the facility until he was sure no one was left inside of it.

[Syncos]

Didnt he mentor like 3 different Robins and 2 Batgirls?

He did teach a bunch of kids to think and act like he does. In a team like the JLA, it would be a problem to teach all these heroes the ways of brooding and angst ;)

Clark and Bruce are exact opposites fighting on the same side. It'd be great to see them leading together. But I wouldn't want to see Bruce leading or teaching the JLA.

[Conan]

How was Clark Green Arrow's "lapdog" in that episode. If I recall correctly, GA was only calling the shots with all of the other heros. Clark went ahead on his own without their help but was felled by the kryptonite in the lead covered room. He also wouldnt let Ollie blow up the facility until he was sure no one was left inside of it.Plain and simple he was taking orders from him and having Green Arrow question him for most of that show like how he did through out the whole time he was in SV. Look at the comics or TAS since those are the only real examples of Green Arrow and Superman together and you would see he never would have got away talking to Clark the way he was on SV. He was talking to Clark like how Batman does and Batman only gets away with it because the two are best friends and he really really really respects him.

[Conan]

As I have said before SV's Clark has yet to be shown as a leader and thats the problem for Justice League Superman needs to be a leader and using SV Clark that would be wrong because he is not a leader. Routh's Superman I saw to little of him to really call him a leader (by the standards of leadership for the Justice League) so really I wouldn't even use him but just for the sake of keeping everything the same since the rumor also is Justice League could become the sequel to Returns as well. But really for Justice League my Superman would be James Caviezel.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Plain and simple he was taking orders from him and having Green Arrow question him for most of that show like how he did through out the whole time he was in SV. Look at the comics or TAS since those are the only real examples of Green Arrow and Superman together and you would see he never would have got away talking to Clark the way he was on SV. He was talking to Clark like how Batman does and Batman only gets away with it because the two are best friends and he really really really respects him.


Not sure why uyou keep saying that, I just pointed out to you that Clark DIDNT take orders from GA in that episode. If he was taking orders from him, he wouldnt have rushed in to the facility by himself without the rest of them and he wouldnt have told GA to make sure the building was clear before he was OK with it being blown up.

Silly n00bie ;)

[Conan]

Not sure why uyou keep saying that, I just pointed out to you that Clark DIDNT take orders from GA in that episode. If he was taking orders from him, he wouldnt have rushed in to the facility by himself without the rest of them and he wouldnt have told GA to make sure the building was clear before he was OK with it being blown up.

Silly n00bie ;)
LOL IMO I felt he was taking orders from GA. What I thought should have happened is that we should have seen Clark step up and become a leader in that show. Really to be honest that show should have been a 2 parter just so they could tell it right. But to each his own. As I said before he can look angry all he wants he still doesn't have that look that commands leadership.

[Syncos]

LOL IMO I felt he was taking orders from GA. What I thought should have happened is that we should have seen Clark step up and become a leader in that show. Really to be honest that show should have been a 2 parter just so they could tell it right. But to each his own. As I said before he can look angry all he wants he still doesn't have that look that commands leadership.

This is probably a moot point, but how can it be your opinion that he was taking orders? that doesn't really sound like a matter that's up for interpretation.

Fact of the matter, was Ollie told Clark to do one thing, and he went off and did another. Clark didn't have to step up to be leader, considering he didn't have any intention of joining the team. He wanted to go save Bart, and get it over with, so he could go back to hunting Phantoms.

As for your comment about the DCAU, did you watch JLU? Ollie constantly spoke out about how 'he thought' things should be done. To all the founding members. He really didn't care how he talked to Superman.

[AgentPat]

So WHAT is that in his back pocket. The current page of the script??Looks like it, yes. It was probably off camera, so he could get away with it. More notable script faux pas have shown up ON the show however, the most egregious one was the one in Allison Mack's hands as Chloe hugged Clark after his return from the PZ in Zod...

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She runs up to him with nothing in her hands. She hugs him. We see her face, then Clark's, and then back to Chloe. Except on the last shot of her in the *same* embrace, a bunch of papers mysteriously appear in her hands.

D'OH!!!

Honestly, how do they miss that sheit? LOLOL!!!

Ahh Pat, I just love you. :heart:I try. :D

Right so we're going off facial expressions then?Huh? Where did I say ANYTHING about facial expressions? You're the one that keeps talking about the "serious face." Presence has NOTHING to do with that sort of stuff.

I started off with a list of lines from the script - which I won't bother reposting a THIRD time; they're there, just scroll back - and gave a litany of examples of scenes where Clark's "commanding presence" has been shown via his knack for being the center of attention, both through passive and physical power, confidence and charisma.

If thats the case then Reeve/Routh/Cains Superman could do the job just as well.Technically, they have. They played Superman, right? Superman IS the "leader" of the JLA. But my last post was in reference to how Welling has played CK, not how any other actor plays Superman.

Welling's Clark is not commanding enough to match up with Bale or Keaton's Batman.I think he could be, but I've already said that I'd have a hard time seeing Chris Reeve overshadow Bale. But I believe this is due more to characterization than the actors themselves. Batman hangs perps by their ankles from hi-rise balconies for needed information. He gets the job done by fear and intimidation. This is NOT something Superman does.

Hell none of the guys who played Superman really could match up with them to much. Each one of the guys who actually played Superman have all had commanding looks that are really no different to what we see on SV...."Look" isn't the same thing as presence.

...Welling can look angry all he wants but he still doesn't have that prescience that will make you say I'll follow him into battle (unless your a woman)Um... what? Please tell me you didn't just go there?

Rouths Superman (which I will not post pictures of out of respect for the forum)Good, because it's against the rules, not to mention WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off topic for THIS thread!!!

gave angry and commanding looks (finding the crystals gone in the fortress, after finding out he was tricked by Lex to go to Krypton, first seeing Lex since his return, The whole plane thing, Looking at Lex get away while lifting NK). Cain as well has had many commanding looks (talking to Lex in the pilot,Stopping the roller coaster, fighting the other guys from krypton and many more just don't feel like going through the whole four seasons). What I am getting at (as many of you have so gladly pointed out many of times) all because one person may look the part doesn't mean they are the right guy. For Welling he has yet to show leadership on SV. Superman is more then giving an angry lookBlah blah blah. Psst? I said nothing about giving an "angry look." Read my posts.

He is a leader and Welling's Clark is a follower then a leader.Clark has NEVER been a "follower." Clark is simply more REactive than PROactive. It's a quality of Superman that hasn't changed. Remember, Superman saves people. He's not the type of hero that actively looks for a crime in progress, though he'll spring into action if he becomes aware of one. I've heard Superman as a character compared to that of a fireman. It's an apt analogy, but it doesn't mean he lacks leadership ability. In SV, Clark is still developing those skills, though it's obvious from scenes such as the one in Justice, Clark held the trump card. Is there any doubt in your mind that if Clark didn't agree to blowing up the Ridge Facility, he wouldn't have let them do it?

He has yet to leadClark is not a leader in the same sense as one who develops a plan of action, tests it, and then implements it. That's Batman and GA. Don't mix those guys up.

Superman leads by EXAMPLE; he is a symbol of hope. Martha told Clark that was his greatest gift. Smart woman, she is.

...Routh's Superman I saw to little of him to really call him a leader (by the standards of leadership for the Justice League) so really I wouldn't even use him but just for the sake of keeping everything the same since the rumor also is Justice League could become the sequel to Returns as well. But really for Justice League my Superman would be James Caviezel.Peachy. Irrelevant to this thread however. Perhaps there is discussion about those actors in other forums at the Hype? :)

Silly n00bie ;)http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/hahaha.gif

LOL!!! You STILL want to give up that 10,000 post count as All-Star, All-Star? :p

[avidreader]

Looks like it, yes. It was probably off camera, so he could get away with it. More notable script faux pas have shown up ON the show however, the most egregious one was the one in Allison Mack's hands as Chloe hugged Clark after his return from the PZ in Zod...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/zod4.jpg

She runs up to him with nothing in her hands. She hugs him. We see her face, then Clark's, and then back to Chloe. Except on the last shot of her in the *same* embrace, a bunch of papers mysteriously appear in her hands.

D'OH!!!

Honestly, how do they miss that sheit? LOLOL!!!

Well if one of Darth Vader's Storm Troopers can bang his head on the doorway leading into Princess Leia's cell, then I can cut Smallville some latitude for allowing Chloe to have papers in her hand one moment and not the next. :woot:

[Conan]

Looks like it, yes. It was probably off camera, so he could get away with it. More notable script faux pas have shown up ON the show however, the most egregious one was the one in Allison Mack's hands as Chloe hugged Clark after his return from the PZ in Zod...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/zod4.jpg

She runs up to him with nothing in her hands. She hugs him. We see her face, then Clark's, and then back to Chloe. Except on the last shot of her in the *same* embrace, a bunch of papers mysteriously appear in her hands.

D'OH!!!

Honestly, how do they miss that sheit? LOLOL!!!

I try. :D

Huh? Where did I say ANYTHING about facial expressions? You're the one that keeps talking about the "serious face." Presence has NOTHING to do with that sort of stuff.

I started off with a list of lines from the script - which I won't bother reposting a THIRD time; they're there, just scroll back - and gave a litany of examples of scenes where Clark's "commanding presence" has been shown via his knack for being the center of attention, both through passive and physical power, confidence and charisma.

Technically, they have. They played Superman, right? Superman IS the "leader" of the JLA. But my last post was in reference to how Welling has played CK, not how any other actor plays Superman.

I think he could be, but I've already said that I'd have a hard time seeing Chris Reeve overshadow Bale. But I believe this is due more to characterization than the actors themselves. Batman hangs perps by their ankles from hi-rise balconies for needed information. He gets the job done by fear and intimidation. This is NOT something Superman does.

"Look" isn't the same thing as presence.

Um... what? Please tell me you didn't just go there?

Good, because it's against the rules, not to mention WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off topic for THIS thread!!!

Blah blah blah. Psst? I said nothing about giving an "angry look." Read my posts.

Clark has NEVER been a "follower." Clark is simply more REactive than PROactive. It's a quality of Superman that hasn't changed. Remember, Superman saves people. He's not the type of hero that actively looks for a crime in progress, though he'll spring into action if he becomes aware of one. I've heard Superman as a character compared to that of a fireman. It's an apt analogy, but it doesn't mean he lacks leadership ability. In SV, Clark is still developing those skills, though it's obvious from scenes such as the one in Justice, Clark held the trump card. Is there any doubt in your mind that if Clark didn't agree to blowing up the Ridge Facility, he wouldn't have let them do it?

Clark is not a leader in the same sense as one who develops a plan of action, tests it, and then implements it. That's Batman and GA. Don't mix those guys up.

Superman leads by EXAMPLE; he is a symbol of hope. Martha told Clark that was his greatest gift. Smart woman, she is.

Peachy. Irrelevant to this thread however. Perhaps there is discussion about those actors in other forums at the Hype? :)

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LOL!!! You STILL want to give up that 10,000 post count as All-Star, All-Star? :pFirst off Pat All-Star is just a name its not who I am I don't care about post counts really. I just got tired of the name and retired it.

Second I can go back and forward with you on this subject but really this is something we won't agree about because plain and simple Welling can do hardly any wrong in most of peoples eyes in this forum so this really is pretty much a one sided argument; but what I am getting at is Superman has a presence about him that makes you want to do better and be better. It's not just about how he says "Get out of here now" and crap like that. His actions are suppose to inspire you to do better and keep going and never giving up. Welling's Clark does not display these qualities but then again he doesn't have to. All Welling has to do is show how he or why he choose to put on the cape so he doesn't have to play the leader or display that he is the person who is fit to lead all the DC heroes into battle because even then Superman still had to learn once becoming Superman. What I am saying though is Welling acting wise from what I see he doesn't even display that. Now to you he does and thats fine because thats your "Superman" but to me he doesn't display those qualities.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Well if one of Darth Vader's Storm Troopers can bang his head on the doorway leading into Princess Leia's cell, then I can cut Smallville some latitude for allowing Chloe to have papers in her hand one moment and not the next. :woot:


LOL that reminds me of the first Spider-man film where Norman Osborne is in the Board Meeting and everytime they show a different shot of the meeting participants they're all sitting in different seats. :D

[avidreader]

Second I can go back and forward with you on this subject but really this is something we won't agree about because plain and simple Welling can do hardly any wrong in most of peoples eyes in this forum so this really is pretty much a one sided argument; but what I am getting at is Superman has a presence about him that makes you want to do better and be better. It's not just about how he says "Get out of here now" and crap like that. His actions are suppose to inspire you to do better and keep going and never giving up. Welling's Clark does not display these qualities but then again he doesn't have to. All Welling has to do is show how he or why he choose to put on the cape so he doesn't have to play the leader or display that he is the person who is fit to lead all the DC heroes into battle because even then Superman still had to learn once becoming Superman. What I am saying though is Welling acting wise from what I see he doesn't even display that. Now to you he does and thats fine because thats your "Superman" but to me he doesn't display those qualities.

I am absolutely certain, that if Pat feels so inclined, that she's already working on a post that totally refutes everything that you've said there. 'Cause I can think of several instances off the top of my head already. But Pat's pictorials are so cool, that I'll let her run with it first.

Hear that Pat? I'm calling out to you. :cwink:

LOL that reminds me of the first Spider-man film where Norman Osborne is in the Board Meeting and everytime they show a different shot of the meeting participants they're all sitting in different seats. :D

LOL! I never noticed that in Spider-man. I must rewatch that scene. :woot:

[Conan]

I am absolutely certain, that if Pat feels so inclined, that she's already working on a post that totally refutes everything that you've said there. 'Cause I can think of several instances off the top of my head already. But Pat's pictorials are so cool, that I'll let her run with it first.
She can respond anyway she wants. See avi this debate is not a matter of fact but opinion which is why I say we can go back a forward with this debate for pages on end and in the end we'll be right back at square one. For example I can say Cain's Superman is the greatest that ever was and I can give all these reasons that I think backs it up but in the end does that truly make him the greatest? No, only to me will he be just like to alot of you Welling is the best Clark Kent ever. So reather then go back and forward with her I am just dropping it but its not worth taking time out of my life to debate something like this.

Pat made me see this after we had a dumb debate over Clark wearing glasses in Superman Returns.