Tom Welling as Superman

[Zing79]

EULA for the Tom Welling as Superman thread:

Discussion is to be restricted to Tom Welling as Clark Kent/Superman on Smallville and what Tom Welling brings to the table (with regards to the character) on THAT show only!
By entering this thread you agree to not post, mention, or bring up Superman Returns in any way shape or form. By posting Superman Returns related pictures, information, opinions, or insinuations in the Tom Welling as Superman thread you will agree with any punishment that can or will be handed down to you by SuperHeroHype Forum Moderators.

[Zing79]

I hope I made things as simple as possible with that EULA. It doesn't matter who you are or what you believe, stick to topic or face the consequences. If you see ANYONE trying to introduce SR in ANY WAY into this thread, quote the original post to warn them of what is most likely going to happen if they don't get back on topic. In the case where someone does mention SR, DO NOT respond with any counter arguments -- take the high ground, quote the EULA, and alert a Mod.

There shall be no excuses...

Post away :)

[Brainiac 13]

LOL this is so lame. People taking messageboards too seriously.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I hope I made things as simple as possible with that EULA. It doesn't matter who you are or what you believe, stick to topic or face the consequences. If you see ANYONE trying to introduce SR in ANY WAY into this thread, quote the original post to warn them of what is most likely going to happen if they don't get back on topic. In the case where someone does mention SR, DO NOT respond with any counter arguments -- take the high ground, quote the EULA, and alert a Mod.

There shall be no excuses...

Post away :)

You just mentioned SR in both the initial thread post and your first post in this thread. Way to go champ :) :up:

[Brainiac 13]

You just mentioned SR in both the initial thread post and your first post in this thread. Way to go champ


LOL haha and you just did in your post.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

LOL haha and you just did in your post.

Lol and you just quoted me bumping the letters S and R :eek:

;)

[Brainiac 13]

I was quoting you in order to warn you....like Zinger wanted.

[Guyverjay]

Gigli?

LOL have we gone back to 2003 when that joke STILL wasn't funny?

[avidreader]

EULA for the Tom Welling as Superman thread:

Discussion is to be restricted to Tom Welling as Clark Kent/Superman on Smallville and what Tom Welling brings to the table (with regards to the character) on THAT show only!
By entering this thread you agree to not post, mention, or bring up Superman Returns in any way shape or form. By posting Superman Returns related pictures, information, opinions, or insinuations in the Tom Welling as Superman thread you will agree with any punishment that can or will be handed down to you by SuperHeroHype Forum Moderators.

Way to go Zing. Its great to see someone take the initiative and show some maturity around here. :up: :up:

How about a picture of a great Tom Welling dressed as Superman Manip panelled with a great picture of Tom Welling playing Clark Kent.

[The Incredible Hulk]

good idea, buy sadly it will most likely be attacked by the same two mental midgets who just couldnt stay out of the last one....

[Brainiac 13]

You must be confusing them with your parents.

[Brainiac 8]

Way to go Zing. Its great to see someone take the initiative and show some maturity around here. :up: :up:

How about a picture of a great Tom Welling dressed as Superman Manip panelled with a great picture of Tom Welling playing Clark Kent.

Yea, let's try and get this thread out on the right foot, and avoid the yougnster foolishness that lost us the last one.:)

[AgentPat]

Discussion is to be restricted to Tom Welling as Clark Kent/Superman on Smallville and what Tom Welling brings to the table (with regards to the character) on THAT show only!Well, I dunno how long this thread will survive given that the topic is like fly paper for trolls, but maybe a few screen caps/photos will put people in the proper frame of mind and we can get back to our former discussion. Thanks for taking the initiative, Zing!

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exile3.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/crusade12.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/crusade14.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/crusade-ser5.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/arrival5.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hidden.jpg

And a Lois & Clark pic for fun...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exposed2.jpg

[triplet]

Thanks for getting this thread back on track, Pat...

Here's a very Supermanly look:

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8291/mortalhr406cropped9sq.jpg

Here's a very Supermanly pose:

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/1397/twseason4promo3gx2of.jpg

[avidreader]

Well, I dunno how long this thread will survive given that the topic is like fly paper for trolls, but maybe a few screen caps/photos will put people in the proper frame of mind and we can get back to our former discussion. Thanks for taking the initiative, Zing!











http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hidden.jpg



This one yells Superman to me... aside from the fact that he is flying around in space, he just has that hard determined look on his face. :up:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

WTF

Another thread when one with the same Subject is made ?

YAY everyone make threads that has a thread somewhere else HURRY

[EXCELSIOR]

This thread is off to a great start, cool it with the GAY crap or I will see to it this thread is closed!

[The Incredible Hulk]

You must be confusing them with your parents.


thank you for proving my point.

whats the matter, you still too embarrassed to use your "Crisis Superman" login again?

[The Incredible Hulk]

This thread is off to a great start, cool it with the GAY crap or I will see to it this thread is closed!


for the record, lets note with whom it started going to pot, if you compare that to the recently closed thread, I think you'll find an interesting similarity....

[OobeDoobBenubi]

for the record, lets note with whom it started going to pot, if you compare that to the recently closed thread, I think you'll find an interesting similarity....

& you don't think this thread will head in that direction ? All signs are pointing to it will

& with the fact there is a Thread for Tom Welling / Superman type Pics

This thread should be locked it exist already

[KalKai]

http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/7298/yngnp27ln.jpg

http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/5120/s4tw00128sl.jpg

[Gmanofsteel]

this thread's off to a good start, i hope it will keep al lthe crap out :up:

[Brainiac 8]

http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/5120/s4tw00128sl.jpg


This is one of my favorite promo pics they have done for the show. I think it would be cool if we could see him in the suit with this picture. It would look pretty sweet!:up:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

>>>

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166993

Doesn't this thread exist already?

Meh

[Zing79]

>>>

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166993

Doesn't this thread exist already?

Meh
Do any of those pictures look like Manips to you? To me they look like pictures of Tom Welling looking very much like Superman.

And this isn't just a picture threat. People are free to discuss his character qualities as the man of steel, and on and on and on.

You're not hijacking this thread -- trust me. EVERY mod has been PM'ed about this thread, and the EULA that exists. Many of them have also agreed to enforce a zero tolerance policy.

We WILL have our discussion whether you like it or not.

[Joseph_Freefall]

>>>

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166993

Doesn't this thread exist already?

Meh
JcDc, just stop it, already. If you dislike it that much, then please don't come into the thread.

[triplet]

oops

[triplet]

Dare I say it?

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8656/clarkpwn7av.jpg


That's a very Supermanly arm there, btw.

Can you imagine having Superman's fingers wrapped around your throat?

Yikes. :eek:



Now, back to our regularly scheduled thread:



http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/7003/bclark06crop1ts.jpg

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Do any of those pictures look like Manips to you? To me they look like pictures of Tom Welling looking very much like Superman.

And this isn't just a picture threat. People are free to discuss his character qualities as the man of steel, and on and on and on.

You're not hijacking this thread -- trust me. EVERY mod has been PM'ed about this thread, and the EULA that exists. Many of them have also agreed to enforce a zero tolerance policy.

We WILL have our discussion whether you like it or not.

Don't be a fool, the only reason I said anything was because the other thread title says "Tom Welling as Superman" in it as well. :rolleyes: I'm glad the other thread got closed and can no longer be used to bring up and flame SR.

[Brainiac 8]

Don't be a fool, the only reason I said anything was because the other thread title says "Tom Welling as Superman" in it as well. :rolleyes: I'm glad the other thread got closed and can no longer be used to bring up and flame SR.

You said the forbidden word.:eek: ;)

Actually, I hope we can keep this thread open, without any shinanigans.

[Joseph_Freefall]

Yes. Lets.

Can we all move on now?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Yes. Lets.

Can we all move on now?

Now that I got my final word in and made my point... No problem :D :cool::supes:

[KikiDee]

Actually, the other thread was Tom Welling should have been Superman. Since that seems to offend some of you that aren't willing to actually read the thread to understand the context it was closed. This thread deals with thoughts on the upcoming transformation of said actor in said iconic role.

Agent Pat, kudos once again to you for those amazing pics proving that he will do just fine when he eventually gets there.

Zing, thank you for restating the thread so that those of us who enjoy this topic can continue to discuss and add value to this convo.

Triplet, Hulk, Brainiac(the legit one), Kalkai and Avid, thanks for trying to keep this thread on a positive note.

If I left anyone out it's because A. I didn't see your post or B. you did nothing but flame and incite posters.

I've been in lurk mode for a few days because I hate the silliness of what was going on. I enjoy reading valid opinions whether they agree with mine or not, but I don't like being told how I feel or think by someone on a message board that has no way of knowing those things. I also don't like to be disenfranchised for my likes or dislikes.

That being said this is a Smallville forum and if you don't understand that the people on this board pretty much support anything to do with the show then you're in the wrong place. I know there are plenty of threads out there for people who hate the show or the actors in it. Please go find them and have a ball at least you'll be with like minds.

Stepping down from soap box.........

[Brainiac 8]

Actually, the other thread was Tom Welling should have been Superman. Since that seems to offend some of you that aren't willing to actually read the thread to understand the context it was closed. This thread deals with thoughts on the upcoming transformation of said actor in said iconic role.

Agent Pat, kudos once again to you for those amazing pics proving that he will do just fine when he eventually gets there.

Zing, thank you for restating the thread so that those of us who enjoy this topic can continue to discuss and add value to this convo.

Triplet, Hulk, Brainiac(the legit one), Kalkai and Avid, thanks for trying to keep this thread on a positive note.

If I left anyone out it's because A. I didn't see your post or B. you did nothing but flame and incite posters.

I've been in lurk mode for a few days because I hate the silliness of what was going on. I enjoy reading valid opinions whether they agree with mine or not, but I don't like being told how I feel or think by someone on a message board that has no way of knowing those things. I also don't like to be disenfranchised for my likes or dislikes.

That being said this is a Smallville forum and if you don't understand that the people on this board pretty much support anything to do with the show then you're in the wrong place. I know there are plenty of threads out there for people who hate the show or the actors in it. Please go find them and have a ball at least you'll be with like minds.

Stepping down from soap box.........


:up: Well said KikiDee, well said.

[Serene]

Yeah, yeah.. I know what I said (to a few of you) but I had to share this with my buds first -

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9233/tw1113fa.jpg

[avidreader]

Nice seeing you posting Serene.;)

[Pickle-El]

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/7003/bclark06crop1ts.jpg

Don't Welling's forearms look.....weird?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

New manip I did

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/6724/1111ez.jpg

[Zing79]

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/7003/bclark06crop1ts.jpg

Don't Welling's forearms look.....weird?
Sort of like he could choke you out with a slight squeeze weird? Ya I see it :)

[AgentPat]

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/7003/bclark06crop1ts.jpg

Don't Welling's forearms look.....weird?Mmm.. not sure I'd say weird, but they're not typical. His radius and ulna bones are wider apart at the elbow joint than an average person's...

http://www.cmki.org/images/HWAS2.gif

I'm not sure if it's genetic, a product of lifting weights from an early age, or a combination of both, but it gives him a neat advantage. It's probably one of the reasons he was able to develop such a nice upper body physique, particularly in the chest and biceps. In bodybuilding, you use your arms for EVERYTHING (unless you're working the legs specifically.) Bis, tris, delts, chest, back... you NEED your arms. And good, strong joints in the arms, especially at the elbow's fulcrum point, is a great start. Given his height and chest depth, he's probably a deceptively strong mofo...

From Splinter:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/splinter2.jpg

On topic, we've all discussed Welling and Co. in an adaption of Birthright. But looking at those forearms (LOL), if they REALLY wanted to do something out of left field, Godfall is definitely up there...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/godfall.jpg

;)

PS: Zing, you KILL me!! LMAO!!!

[avidreader]

Pat, I knew you would come along with a great explanation.

Well done, girl!

[Thunder Emperor]

Thanks for getting this thread back on track, Pat...

Here's a very Supermanly look:

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8291/mortalhr406cropped9sq.jpg

Here's a very Supermanly pose:

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/1397/twseason4promo3gx2of.jpg


nice kickof pat.


p.s thank GOd the Pats won today phew close. :) :up:

[Jor_el_1977]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/splinter2.jpg

He looks so big there!!!

He looks like he has the perfect upper body for the role of Superman, and really looks cool in blue! :):up:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Hmmmm there are 2 different threads with the same topic. I wonder which one should I duplicate :eek:

[Pickle-El]

Sort of like he could choke you out with a slight squeeze weird? Ya I see it :)


Welling would never attempt that....I study the Eddie Guerrero style of combat.

CHEAT TO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:o

[The Incredible Hulk]

Hmmmm there are 2 different threads with the same topic. I wonder which one should I duplicate :eek:


Let me make this even more simplistic for you, so you're not confused:

This thread is just for posting non-manipped pictures of Welling in Smallivlle that are "Superman-esque" in either look, pose, setting, etc. It's also for discussing what qualities about TW that would make him a good Superman.

The OTHER thread is for people who actually want to take pics of Tom and manip him into some incarnation of the Super suit, etc.

Get it now?

[Ultimate_Superman]

But Hulk even you can admit that you could have done both is that one thread and just have asked the Mods to change the title.

[avidreader]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/splinter2.jpg




Is John Schneider sitting down in this picture, Tom Welling looks huge in comparison.

Not only his upperbody, but his height. I guess it could be camera angles but it just makes you think that the :supes: is not far away.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

But Hulk even you can admit that you could have done both is that one thread and just have asked the Mods to change the title.

Get it now Hulk ?

[The Incredible Hulk]

But Hulk even you can admit that you could have done both is that one thread and just have asked the Mods to change the title.

They "could have" done anything, but I think since this is an entire forum dedicated to Smallville that they can maintain seperate topics. This is a discussion thread about things we see in the show, where the other one is basically focused on what amounts to fan art.

Get it now Hulk ?

I've gotten it from the beginning, youre the one who seems to have trouble with it existing. Is it really bothering you that much? Or are you auditioning for forum mod? :confused:

[Joseph_Freefall]

Is John Schneider sitting down in this picture, Tom Welling looks huge in comparison.

Not only his upperbody, but his height. I guess it could be camera angles but it just makes you think that the :supes: is not far away.
I think Pa Kent is leaning against the counter. But even still, yes, Clark is huge there.

[Gmanofsteel]

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8656/clarkpwn7av.jpg




could somone manip this?

zing? ;) :D

[musclesforsupes]

I miss the old thread :( all the posts have now vanished :(

[Joseph_Freefall]

The thread is still for you to browse. If you want, I can delete it so that will not be possible and you can cry "all the posts have now vanished" again.

[AgentPat]

I miss the old thread :( all the posts have now vanished :(Muscles, ya almost gave me a coronary!! :mad: Don't do that man. LOL The posts are still there (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145908). The thread will slowly lapse into obscurity, but everything that's been said can still be read.

I think Pa Kent is leaning against the counter. But even still, yes, Clark is huge there.No doubt, the guy's a very big dude. He's got that hanging shoulder thing going on this year too, which he really didn't have in prior seasons. It makes his neck look broader at the base and adds to the width of an already pretty thick core. Combine that with Welling's almost disproportionately deep chest and the only thing missing is... well... a cape? LOL

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exposed10.jpg

Get it now Hulk?Um... there's nothing to "get." Honestly, I don't know what's so confusing here. The manips' thread is clearly marked as such. The forum over yonder has a manips thread too and it's used for basically the same purpose: artwork and manipulations of a specific actor in costume.

This thread isn't an art thread. It's a discussion thread about Tom Welling as Superman. What's the big deal? No other (open) thread covers that topic here. Some people start threads every time a neuron misfires and they need to tell somebody about it. How many Batman-in-Smallville threads have there been? Answer: Too many. Why's that? The threads lapse off the first page and people are too lazy to see if the topic already exists. Given the topic of THIS thread, it won't spend much time off the first page. You can count on that. ;)

Anyhoo... I posted a few screen caps and promo photos to get the ball rolling. That's the look, which Welling has in spades, but it goes deeper than that. With sincerest apologies to Gertrude Stein, there IS a there, there. It's what I call, "IT." It's an appeal and charisma that's hard to describe, but those who have "IT" are born with it. It cannot be taught, granted or imbued. You either have it, or you don't.

The fascination is definitely character based, and Welling makes learning about Clark/Superman a very entertaining experience. He's allowed us to *understand* and *relate* to the character better. Viewers can emotionally connect with Tom's version of Clark Kent, which is a pretty impressive feat considering who Clark is. Superman isn't just some "being with powers and abilities far beyond that of mortal men, who's here to fight for truth, justice, and ... all that other stuff." LOL On SV, we've been treated to a multifaceted characterization that goes far deeper than just the dichotomy between a hero who is mild-mannered and wears glasses half the time, and suits up in a uniform in order to do good deeds the other half of the time. There's so much more to Superman than just that, and I'm enjoying every second of that learning process thanks to Tom. I look forward to seeing him finally get to play both "sides" of his character... and soon! :)

[musclesforsupes]

OH CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH PAT AND HULK FOR MAKING THE FIRST EVER HYPE TOP 25 POLL.

Triplet you were very close in making it in.

[triplet]

OH CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH PAT AND HULK FOR MAKING THE FIRST EVER HYPE TOP 25 POLL.

Triplet you were very close in making it in.

Huh?

:confused:

What you talking about, muscles?

[Joseph_Freefall]

Huh?

:confused:

What you talking about, muscles?
He is talking about this, Trip: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208902


Muscles, we need to work on your clarifying what you say. :confused:

[Kane]

Why the heck am I on that list? I'm evil.

[triplet]

He is talking about this, Trip: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208902

Ah... one of those....


Muscles, we need to work on your clarifying what you say. :confused:

Yes. Yes, he does.

[Joseph_Freefall]

It took 25 of muscles' posts for someone in that thread to understand what that list was...:(

And after Muscle explained it further, I fell back into "What is this list for??" :(

[avidreader]

It took 25 of muscles' posts for someone in that thread to understand what that list was...:(

And after Muscle explained it further, I fell back into "What is this list for??" :(

LOL! :D

I read through that thread and I just find Muscles too cute sometimes. :rolleyes:

[avidreader]

Tom/Clark always look big in that red t-shirt. Makes you wonder how the cape will look on those shoulders.

The fascination is definitely character based, and Welling makes learning about Clark/Superman a very entertaining experience. He's allowed us to *understand* and *relate* to the character better. Viewers can emotionally connect with Tom's version of Clark Kent, which is a pretty impressive feat considering who Clark is. Superman isn't just some "being with powers and abilities far beyond that of mortal men, who's here to fight for truth, justice, and ... all that other stuff." LOL On SV, we've been treated to a multifaceted characterization that goes far deeper than just the dichotomy between a hero who is mild-mannered and wears glasses half the time, and suits up in a uniform in order to do good deeds the other half of the time. There's so much more to Superman than just that, and I'm enjoying every second of that learning process thanks to Tom. I look forward to seeing him finally get to play both "sides" of his character... and soon!

Not too soon, I hope, I can wait a little while longer. Only because I'm enjoying the show so much for the reasons you have stated above.


When you read some of the letters written into the Smallville magazine this is one of the things that I hear people say the most, how Smallville and Tom Welling's interpretation of Clark Kent has brought a human element to the story that alot of people in past reincarnations of the story couldnt get. It has brought him to a level that people can understand and relate to, his superpowers make it exciting to watch.

Tom/Clark always look big in that red t-shirt. Makes you wonder how the cape will look on those shoulders.

[Ultimate_Superman]

OH CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH PAT AND HULK FOR MAKING THE FIRST EVER HYPE TOP 25 POLL.

Triplet you were very close in making it in.You didn't say me and I came in 4th higher then both of them :(

[musclesforsupes]

Oops im sorry All Star :(

[AgentPat]

OH CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH PAT AND HULK FOR MAKING THE FIRST EVER HYPE TOP 25 POLL.:confused:

Most amount of posts in one week? I find it hard to believe that *I* made that list. I don't post that much?

I read through that thread and I just find Muscles too cute sometimes. :rolleyes:He does make it difficult to stay mad at for any length of time, does he? LOL

Tom/Clark always look big in that red t-shirt. Makes you wonder how the cape will look on those shoulders.I can picture it. ;)

Not too soon, I hope, I can wait a little while longer. Only because I'm enjoying the show so much for the reasons you have stated above.Good point. I can wait too. But I DO want a big payoff in the end. Like two or more hours worth. :mad: :p :D

When you read some of the letters written into the Smallville magazine this is one of the things that I hear people say the most, how Smallville and Tom Welling's interpretation of Clark Kent has brought a human element to the story that a lot of people in past reincarnations of the story couldn't get. It has brought him to a level that people can understand and relate to, his superpowers make it exciting to watch.No doubt. SV has taken heat for over-Marvelizing its characters, but humanizing such a fantastical fictional character is what makes him interesting. Otherwise, it's just an effect's extravaganza and excuse to advertise Ford cars. Entertaining, maybe, but nothing that would keep me interested for more than an episode or so.

[musclesforsupes]

Pat is just deserving of the honor of being in the top 25, I see a good Poll Bowl Battle for you.

[The Incredible Hulk]

muscles have you been eating the carpet powder again? :confused:

[darkzombiemutt]

Another Tom Welling Thread, whats this for? lol, j/k Sorry bout all the fuss everyone, didnt mean to piss anyone off, I just thought the picture was funny.

[avidreader]

Welcome back Mutt.

[Serene]

Another Tom Welling Thread, whats this for? lol, j/k Sorry bout all the fuss everyone, didnt mean to piss anyone off, I just thought the picture was funny.

Aww..DZ's back. My favorite TW as Supes manipper. (is manipper a word?).

I still have that one of him in front of the crumbling building as my wallpaper. And it's still a movie I want to see.

[darkzombiemutt]

Yeah, thats the one I'm most proud of, looks like it would be a killer scene. :)

[Brainiac 8]

Yeah, thats the one I'm most proud of, looks like it would be a killer scene. :)

I have to check for that one, I've never seen it.:(

[AgentPat]

I have to check for that one, I've never seen it.:(I took a quick stroll through the manip thread. Knew I'd find it eventually...

http://hometown.aol.com/mattemunn/myhomepage/superdisasterwp.jpg

^ That's the wallpaper DZM made for Serene.

BTW, welcome back, Mutt! :up: :D

[Brainiac 8]

I took a quick stroll through the manip thread. Knew I'd find it eventually...

http://hometown.aol.com/mattemunn/myhomepage/superdisasterwp.jpg

^ That's the wallpaper DZM made for Serene.

BTW, welcome back, Mutt! :up: :D


Thanks Pat....you're awsome!:up: :D

and yes...welcome back Mutt!:up:

[darkzombiemutt]

ah man, that looks like butt on my new puter. The black isnt the same black on his neck, its all grey and messed up. EEK!

[darkzombiemutt]

and the smaller one is better, it has a much better look in a letterbox format

[The Incredible Hulk]

Mutt! Nice to see you're back from the Phantom Zone :up:

[darkzombiemutt]

Yeah, you wouldn't think it, but the Phantom Zone is alot more spacious then it appears.

[musclesforsupes]

Welcome mutt, did you see zoltar and did he offer you a squirt in the phantom zone?

[RakuMon]

Wanna see Tom Welling as Superman? Check this out:

Awesome Smallville trailer.
http://thewb.warnerbros.com/web/video_player_frame.jsp?id=SM404a-trl

[avidreader]

Wanna see Tom Welling as Superman? Check this out:

Awesome Smallville trailer.
http://thewb.warnerbros.com/web/video_player_frame.jsp?id=SM404a-trl

That's a great trailer. They've chosen all very Superman moments.

Has anyone actually seen it air on TV yet?

[RakuMon]

That's a great trailer. They've chosen all very Superman moments.

Has anyone actually seen it air on TV yet?

I think it'll debut on air during this Thursday's repeat.

[RakuMon]

DTS has some very manip-able caps from the Smallville "comic" trailer:

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/6/6/4/1/S5_001.jpg
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/6/6/4/1/S5_002.jpg
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/6/6/4/1/S5_010.jpg
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/6/6/4/1/S5_023.jpg

[Serene]

I absolutely LOVE that trailer! But what is the picture of Clark with red eyes from? It's not one of the RedK eps. It looks like Splinter, but only if they added in the red to his eyes. It's kind of creepy. I like it. :)

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[rumpuso]

But what is the picture of Clark with red eyes from?
I'm wondering the same thing. They may have just doctored his eyes from an earlier episode.

[KalKai]

It is Splinter, they added the red.

[The Incredible Hulk]

you can tell from the sweaty looking face :D

[darkzombiemutt]

neat-o

[Gmanofsteel]

I absolutely LOVE that trailer! But what is the picture of Clark with red eyes from? It's not one of the RedK eps. It looks like Splinter, but only if they added in the red to his eyes. It's kind of creepy. I like it. :)

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/6/6/4/1/S5_023.jpg

i was going nuts when i saw it :D

[OobeDoobBenubi]

DTS has some very manip-able caps from the Smallville "comic" trailer:

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What is the Smallville "Comic" Trailer ? ? ?

[Guyverjay]

New manip I did

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LOL

[The Caped Knight]

This Thread is on a great roll, Thank you Zing for Restarting this Topic.

Here is one of my Favorite Tom Welling as SUPERMAN pictures.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/fan-art/smallville_super.jpg

[kiuju2k]

Look he should be superman but, hes not.

[Zing79]

Look he should be superman but, hes not.
This kind of post does two things.
1. It implies he's not Superman. Bzzzzzzzz
Thomas Cruise Mapother IV is also Tom Cruise
Mark Vincent is also Vin Diesel
And at every point in their lives they've still been those men. You can change the name, but the name doesn't change the person. Superman is just a title Clark Kent uses when he's saving people. Does it mean he doesn't save anyone till he changes his name? If you watch the show you know the answer.

2. That there should be some kind of debate about whether he IS Superman or not. That sounds dangerously like it could stray a little to far; and by a little to far I mean:

EULA for the Tom Welling as Superman thread:

Discussion is to be restricted to Tom Welling as Clark Kent/Superman on Smallville and what Tom Welling brings to the table (with regards to the character) on THAT show only!
By entering this thread you agree to not post, mention, or bring up Superman Returns in any way shape or form. By posting Superman Returns related pictures, information, opinions, or insinuations in the Tom Welling as Superman thread you will agree with any punishment that can or will be handed down to you by SuperHeroHype Forum Moderators.

[The Caped Knight]

Look he should be superman but, hes not.

I'm not going to start a fight with you, All I'm going to say is . In The END He Will Become SUPERMAN.

Here your Proof.

In The second half of Now Playing.com’s interview with Smallville co-creator Al Gough tells NP that Clark Will wear The Super suit in The series finale.


Here's a brief snippet from the article:

“I say seven seasons,” Gough admits. “It seems to be what shows in this genre can do and do well. Certainly in our case suddenly you’re bumping up against ‘Why the ***** isn’t he putting on the suit?’ I say that’s probably a good number. Will it end with him putting on the suit? And Lex making that last step to evil? Yeah, absolutely.”


Click Here (http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/2279/2/) To read the full interveiw. :superman:

[Ultimate_Superman]

yea he might wear the suit but the question becomes will it just be a shirt rip or just a quick flash or will we really see him fighting and flying and be Superman not Clark Kent?

[AgentPat]

yea he might wear the suit but the question becomes will it just be a shirt rip or just a quick flash or will we really see him fighting and flying and be Superman not Clark Kent? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/bounce.gif




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[Bad Superman]

DTS has some very manip-able caps from the Smallville "comic" trailer:

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Red K Clark :up:

[musclesforsupes]

Congrates to everyone who leaped in this weeks polls!

[Ultimate_Superman]

I have noticed that these threads(this and the manip) dont move as fast anymore with out the talk about the other guy and movie.

[Milkman95]

Of course not. TW isn't Superman, and he never will be. He's a great Clark Kent though............:up:

[RakuMon]

I have noticed that these threads(this and the manip) dont move as fast anymore with out the talk about the other guy and movie.
Well, it also doesn't help that Smallville's in repeats until December 8 either.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Of course not. TW isn't Superman, and he never will be. He's a great Clark Kent though............:up:

so what is he going to be at the end of the show? Clark Kent with a costume? :confused: I dont get the bug up people's butt about this distinction, for chrissake's Dean Cain was Superman for a time... Sure Welling may never be Supes in a feature movie but if thats your criteria for "being Superman" than you can also discount George Reeves and Kirk Alyn...

Welling plays a young Clark Kent/Superman... He has (most of) the powers, helps people, and is working on the motivation. If his character was solely a bumbling journalism student that didnt have any powers then perhaps I could see your point.. Besides that, I think you've been losing that PR campaign for the past 5 years, as I cant think of one media publication that doesnt refer to the guy as "Superman" in one way or the other, even when its not Smallville related

If your contending that because he hasnt worn the suit he's not Supes, than I'd say you've been too polluted by the John Byrne way of thinking that Clark Kent is just a guy who puts on a costume to become Superman....

It's like that genius "King Krypton" over in the SR forums who would swear his life to the fact that John Byrne was a hack and Superman was always the real person and Clark Kent was the disguise (and I'd wholeheartedly agree) but yet in his next sentence he'll tell you how Welling isn't Superman? :confused: You cant have that one both ways

[Ultimate_Superman]

No I just mean these two threads.

[Ultimate_Superman]

so what is he going to be at the end of the show? Clark Kent with a costume? You never know as I said before we just might get a shirt ripp and thats it. I mean come on now it cost money for a Superman outfit and if it is not going to be put into use. Then why go into great detail with it. To be honest I woud love to see TW as Superman but when that season airs they will be already working on the next Superman movie or about to maybe put out a teaser for it that I doubt we'll see much action of him as Superman. I am thinking what they are going to do is just a cry for help then a shirt rip.

[The Incredible Hulk]

You never know as I said before we just might get a shirt ripp and thats it. I mean come on now it cost money for a Superman outfit and if it is not going to be put into use. Then why go into great detail with it. To be honest I woud love to see TW as Superman but when that season airs they will be already working on the next Superman movie or about to maybe put out a teaser for it that I doubt we'll see much action of him as Superman. I am thinking what they are going to do is just a cry for help then a shirt rip.

Well you REALLY missed the point of my post, but I'll entertain your post anyway. Regardless of how long it is, or if its a full shot in costume or just a shirt rip, the same point comes across, and they'll likely mimic one of the previous costume looks instead of spending a ton of money to come up with a "original" design. Whether or not SR gets a sequel (which still remains to be seen considering the $$ that thing is going to have to pull in to cover it's costs) is irrelevant to the show, WB has already committed to having two versions of the character in different mediums.

[Ultimate_Superman]

regardless of how long it is, or if its a full shot in costume or just a shirt rip, the same point comes across, and they'll likely mimic one of the previous costume looks instead of spending a ton of money to come up with a "original" design. Whether or not SR gets a sequel (which still remains to be seen considering the $$ that thing is going to have to pull in to cover it's costs) is irrelevant to the show, WB has already committed to having two versions of the character in different mediums.WB committed to having two younger Superman's not 2 Supermen. Unless you count the one from JLU. Welling is SIT I wished he would turn into more but it is very doubtful. Hell they might even change their mind and not use an outfit at all. Plus Superman Returns will have a sequel I mean come on name alone will bring back the money. Look at Star Wars and some of the James Bond movies.

[Milkman95]

so what is he going to be at the end of the show? Clark Kent with a costume? :confused: I dont get the bug up people's butt about this distinction, for chrissake's Dean Cain was Superman for a time... Sure Welling may never be Supes in a feature movie but if thats your criteria for "being Superman" than you can also discount George Reeves and Kirk Alyn...

You're right - Kirk Alyn, George Reeves, and Dean Cain were all Superman in their respective TV series. Meaning they were in Metropolis as a reporter and they were indeed Superman (suit and all). I never said anything about a film in my post.

Welling plays a young Clark Kent/Superman... He has (most of) the powers, helps people, and is working on the motivation. If his character was solely a bumbling journalism student that didnt have any powers then perhaps I could see your point.. Besides that, I think you've been losing that PR campaign for the past 5 years, as I cant think of one media publication that doesnt refer to the guy as "Superman" in one way or the other, even when its not Smallville related

No, he plays a young Clark Kent that hasn't even thought of going by the name of SUPERMAN yet. He's learning his heritage, his powers, and how to use them in the most effective way. That's not Superman, at least not yet.

If your contending that because he hasnt worn the suit he's not Supes, than I'd say you've been too polluted by the John Byrne way of thinking that Clark Kent is just a guy who puts on a costume to become Superman....

No, I don't. I don't subscribe to this whole pre-crisis/post-crisis/continuity crap. He's not in Metropolis and he doesn't have a dual identity yet. To me, that's Superman. The suit does have something to do with it.

It's like that genius "King Krypton" over in the SR forums who would swear his life to the fact that John Byrne was a hack and Superman was always the real person and Clark Kent was the disguise (and I'd wholeheartedly agree) but yet in his next sentence he'll tell you how Welling isn't Superman? :confused: You cant have that one both ways

That guy is hilarious.

[Zing79]

Of course not. TW isn't Superman, and he never will be. He's a great Clark Kent though............:up:
Bzzzzz
Sorry that is incorrect. Tell him what he's won.
Well a trip far away from the cold surroundings of the Tom Welling as Superman Thread, where he'll be able to enjoy a lifetime of debating whether Tom Welling is Superman or not.

That sentence in your post is not for this thread. Come in, post what he brings to the Superman table, or get out and find a thread designed to debate your line of thinking.

[Zing79]

I have noticed that these threads(this and the manip) dont move as fast anymore with out the talk about the other guy and movie.
Now you'd think thats a back handed comment, but its not. I'll gladly take this thread moving at a snails pace, as opposed to ever having to bring that debate/topic over here again.

[AgentPat]

ARGH!! Is it the "new year" yet?

This rhetorical brought to you by the letters, Q and T. Gah!!!!! :(











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[The Incredible Hulk]

No, I don't. I don't subscribe to this whole pre-crisis/post-crisis/continuity crap. He's not in Metropolis and he doesn't have a dual identity yet. To me, that's Superman. The suit does have something to do with it.


OK, thats what I was getting at, whcih is what in your mind is the difference between Clark Kent with powers and Superman.

I guess I can see your point, however I'd argue that Clark in Smallville is closer to Superman than he is to the "Clark Kent" that shows up in Metropolis later on down the line. And that the "dual identity" actually is the creation of the facade known as "Clark Kent" i.e. bumbling reporter, mild-mannered, etc. rather than the onset of the Superman personality. He's more or less "Superman in the shadows" right now, doing the deeds without anyone knowing it...but yes he still has a lot to learn.

I guess all of this will be rendered moot anyway in the final few shows when Clark actually dons some form of the suit anyway...

[Ultimate_Superman]

I still can't see how they are going to say Lex is one of the smartest people on the face of the earth. Yet he has now seen Clark with out glasses for 7 years and can't tell he is Superman.

[KalKai]

funny thing, if you google "Tom Welling Superman" or "Tom Welling is Superman" you get more results than the other guy's name with "Superman", considering TW is playing Clark Kent, right? lol.

[The Incredible Hulk]

WB committed to having two younger Superman's not 2 Supermen. Unless you count the one from JLU. Welling is SIT I wished he would turn into more but it is very doubtful. Hell they might even change their mind and not use an outfit at all.

You're putting words in people's mouths that were never said, no distinction was ever made by the WB other than that they were going ahead with "Superman" (their words not mine) in both mediums.

Plus Superman Returns will have a sequel I mean come on name alone will bring back the money. Look at Star Wars and some of the James Bond movies.

I think you way overestimate the appeal of Superman in todays youth. I pretty much had to beat him into my nephews (ages 8 - 12) I really wish that wasnt the case. And I dont believe any of the SW films, and surely none of the Bond films, had a $250 million budget before marketing... It's not impossible mind you, but it's a big hole to crawl out of. Anyway, enough of the SR talk, it wasnt the point of my comment anyway...

[The Incredible Hulk]

I still can't see how they are going to say Lex is one of the smartest people on the face of the earth. Yet he has now seen Clark with out glasses for 7 years and can't tell he is Superman.

and thats different from any other time in comics, TV, and movies when he's seen both Clark and Superman up close? :confused: Not too mention when he actually grew up with Superboy in the Silver Age

[avidreader]

When you think about it though, he really is being Superman, he just doesnt let the general public see that he has these special powers.

As Chloe said in Arrival, you save all these peoples' lives and take zero credit for it. The time will come when he'll realise that he can save more lives by being public, and that's when you'll see the dual identity.

However right now for me, he is being Superman he just hasnt figured out how far to go with it all.

[avidreader]

I still can't see how they are going to say Lex is one of the smartest people on the face of the earth. Yet he has now seen Clark with out glasses for 7 years and can't tell he is Superman.

The thing is, who's to say he wont?

[AgentPat]

Um, folks? ....

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Hey look, it's a fish bowl! :p

[brushes hair]

[Ultimate_Superman]

Um, folks? ....

http://www.petvets.com/petpostcards/kittenfishbowl.jpg

Hey look, it's a fish bowl! :p

[brushes hair]How I hate Spam:o:rolleyes:

[triplet]

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[AgentPat]

I have noticed that these threads(this and the manip) dont move as fast anymore with out the talk about the other guy and movie.How I hate people who post just to stir the pot.

Hmmm... I think there's a name for that, but it escapes me at the moment.

How I hate Spam :o: rolleyes:Look deeper.
-Rasputin


:cool:

[Milkman95]

Bzzzzz
Sorry that is incorrect. Tell him what he's won.
Well a trip far away from the cold surroundings of the Tom Welling as Superman Thread, where he'll be able to enjoy a lifetime of debating whether Tom Welling is Superman or not.

That sentence in your post is not for this thread. Come in, post what he brings to the Superman table, or get out and find a thread designed to debate your line of thinking.

Hilarious. Nah, I like this thread, no need to leave.

[AgentPat]

Hilarious. Nah, I like this thread, no need to leave.[Channels Ryan]

Remember that Lex... err, Milkman. :D :up:

[Milkman95]

OK, thats what I was getting at, whcih is what in your mind is the difference between Clark Kent with powers and Superman.

I guess I can see your point, however I'd argue that Clark in Smallville is closer to Superman than he is to the "Clark Kent" that shows up in Metropolis later on down the line. And that the "dual identity" actually is the creation of the facade known as "Clark Kent" i.e. bumbling reporter, mild-mannered, etc. rather than the onset of the Superman personality. He's more or less "Superman in the shadows" right now, doing the deeds without anyone knowing it...but yes he still has a lot to learn.

I guess all of this will be rendered moot anyway in the final few shows when Clark actually dons some form of the suit anyway...

I can agree with this...........as far as TW actually wearing a suit, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, I don't think it's a done deal, but that's just my opinion.

[triplet]

I can agree with this...........as far as TW actually wearing a suit, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, I don't think it's a done deal, but that's just my opinion.

Why wouldn't he pull on the suit?

The show is about him building up to that moment. To not have him actually pull on the suit would leave the show unfinished.

[Gmanofsteel]

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i agree :up:

less stupid coments, more tom in the suit :supes:

[AgentPat]

I can agree with this...........as far as TW actually wearing a suit, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, I don't think it's a done deal, but that's just my opinion.The final scene(s) of SV is about as done a deal as you can get. G&M knew a long time ago how they were going to end it. That said, options for what might happen *after* that is what's currently up in the air.

Literally. ;)

[Milkman95]

i agree :up:

less stupid coments, more tom in the suit :supes:

Nice. Great spelling....

[Milkman95]

The final scene(s) of SV is about as done a deal as you can get. G&M knew a long time ago how they were going to end it. That said, options for what might happen *after* that is what's currently up in the air.

Literally. ;)

Well, I meant how TW is going to be presented as Superman. It will probably be from a distance with him flying out of the FOS.......

[AgentPat]

Well, I meant how TW is going to be presented as Superman. It will probably be from a distance with him flying out of the FOS.......They haven't elaborated on the scene specifically, but they KNOW fans want to SEE that it's Welling and uh... not somebody else. So comments like this...

Of course not. TW isn't Superman, and he never will be....will finally be a thing of the past. I know I speak for a lot of people in this forum when I say we're getting VERY tired of seeing that BS here. It needlessly stirs the pot. Things were fairly peaceful during the last week or so. Why can't you guys let us sleeping dogs lie, eh?

[Max]

I still can't see how they are going to say Lex is one of the smartest people on the face of the earth. Yet he has now seen Clark with out glasses for 7 years and can't tell he is Superman.

And yet you can't figure out that Clark Kent is Superman WITH the glasses? PUHLEEEZE. It's the biggest plot hole in Superman lore, in my opinion. His whole disguise is centered around a pair of glasses and hair gel. EVERYONE should be able to figure out that Clark Kent is Superman. Duh. If that's your main gripe, then I think you need to rethink your whole perception of the Superman story.

[AgentPat]

Max, :up: :D

I'd LOVE to see SV's version of Lex know EXACTLY who Superman is when the time comes. He'll drop hints to Clark that he knows, but he'll never fully admit it to his face, which will always keep Clark guessing. If you think about it, Lex is almost at that point already. Obviously he KNOWS Clark is different. Radically different. This was made painfully clear at the end of Hidden. But every time Lex has it just about figured out, Clark lucks-out and throws him a curve ball. But Lex isn't being fooled anymore, so he's not starting from scratch every time Clark pushes the re-set button. He'll go about his business, but he'll always lie in wait for the opportunity to "out" Clark for the alien that he is. Lex will look at it as only being a matter of time, and he has plenty of patience.

As far as Lois is concerned, we already know how she's going to handle the big picture, so the whole recognizing verses not recognizing debate should be null. I could see her playing a similar "game" with Clark, but on a more playful level. She'd have the same relationship she does now with Clark - poking fun at him every opportunity she gets. He will respond in kind. But BOTH of them would change their demeanors around each other when Superman is there. Lois will be attracted to the "super" part of Clark and his save the world type mentality (just like she was with A.C.), so she'll get all weak in the knees around Clark when he's Superman (DUH!) Clark won't know she knows it's him (he's pretty dense when it comes to that), so he'll flirt back. As Clark, he'll never admit to being attracted to Lois because of their history growing up in Smallville, but as Superman, he can be "himself" and let his true feelings be known. It'll contribute to his character reversal in Metropolis where "Clark Kent" is the facade and Superman is the real deal - a man without secrets to the world, which is something Clark wants more than anything right now.

Yeah, that is what I'd like to see. It'd be a new spin on the mythos, something SV loves to do. It would be different and entertaining. It also makes the most sense from a reality point of view because who *wouldn't* recognize Clark as Superman (or vice versa) in the "real" world? That aspect of the mythos is probably the hardest pill to swallow, more so than who and what Clark actually is.

[M.O.Steel]

And yet you can't figure out that Clark Kent is Superman WITH the glasses? PUHLEEEZE. It's the biggest plot hole in Superman lore, in my opinion. His whole disguise is centered around a pair of glasses and hair gel. EVERYONE should be able to figure out that Clark Kent is Superman. Duh. If that's your main gripe, then I think you need to rethink your whole perception of the Superman story.

No, i actually think he has a point. The reason why this disguise is even credible is the fact that no one has seen clark with out his glasses, and have. Lex has seen clark without his glasses for the duration of the show. All of a sudden, when clark starts wearing glasses, that's all he recognizes, and when he takes them off, he forgot what clark looks like?? come on, give me a break. I think if anything, they would build the story around the fact that lex knows who superman is, yet he toys with clark. And whenever clark is about to do something to lex, he always knows deep down that lex knows him and could expose his secret any time. Can work for some interesting dynamics if you ask me.

[Milkman95]

They haven't elaborated on the scene specifically, but they KNOW fans want to SEE that it's Welling and uh... not somebody else. So comments like this...

Well, that's up to Tom and the Producers. Rumor has it that TW isn't looking forward to putting the suit on. It's also been reported that it took TW more than 3 offers to finally commit to the show because he never wanted to fly, wear the suit, or be a full fledged Superman. That's only heresay, so that could be way off, what do I know. I too want to see him in the suit. For me, the pay-off better be pretty big on this.............but I'm not holding my breath, that's for sure.

...will finally be a thing of the past. I know I speak for a lot of people in this forum when I say we're getting VERY tired of seeing that BS here. It needlessly stirs the pot. Things were fairly peaceful during the last week or so. Why can't you guys let us sleeping dogs lie, eh?

I hope you're right. I'd like to see a lot of different interpretations of Superman, not just SV or SR. I'm actually looking forward to seeing Ben Affleck in the George Reeves biopic. I doubt we'll see him in the suit though.

What BS? TW not being "Superman"? It's a logical debate, and a relevant one. Discussion is what runs this board, whether it's stirring the pot or not. It would be boring around here if everybody just agreed and kissed the ground TW and the production walks on..........oh, wait, that happens already......:)

[musclesforsupes]

I still miss the old thread :( all those posts are now going to fade away never to be seen again eventually

[Ultimate_Superman]

And yet you can't figure out that Clark Kent is Superman WITH the glasses? PUHLEEEZE. It's the biggest plot hole in Superman lore, in my opinion. His whole disguise is centered around a pair of glasses and hair gel. EVERYONE should be able to figure out that Clark Kent is Superman. Duh. If that's your main gripe, then I think you need to rethink your whole perception of the Superman story.First off thats not my main problem. The thing about Superman was no one knew or even heard about a Clark Kent till he came into town and Superman followed after months, weeks, day? I dont know nor do I care. So my problem was how can you say Lex is one of the smartest people around held up there with Batman or higher and say he won't know who Superman is after seeing him almost everyday for 7 years stright? Please the glasses is a huge plot hole because all people see when you see Clark is a man who is shy and really didn't stand up for himself, plus he didn't look as big as Superman because he always wore clothes bigger then what he needed to hide his body and make him look smaller and that is how hey knew Clark from the moment of seeing him. Now if I met Clark and he was saving everyone and doing all these things they show on the show. Then there is no way in hell I wouldn't be able to put 2 and 2 together. I mean come on now for one you make Lois look real dumb by her not being able to tell and you make Lex look like a chimp. Seriously the idea of the glasses being the big reason why they cant tell one another went out the door when they brought Lois on to the show. I mean you can always go with that idea everyone has a twin somewhere but its stupid. I mean hell even in the comics (pre-crisis) Clark wore glasses and acted like a nerd because he wanted to help people and use his powers(pre-crisis Superboy) which this show pretty much is with out the suit. Hell they even are pretty much going more with the pre-crisis story line(Lex, Lois being in smallvile before he becomes Superman, the multi-colored kryptonite,etc) I mean seriously they really should start living up to their word in many ways because from what they said this season is SIT and all I have seen is the same thing over and over again the only real Superman moment I have seen this season is him stopping the nuke and him saving Lois in that chopper other then that nothing and before you say it yea the FOS parts are good but really how is that SIT? I mean the first time he was there Chole came and spoiled the moment IMO of him really learning more about himself and the second time she is there walking around like everything is all good. If this season really is a SIT season then what they should do is work on getting Lois out of there because as much as I love Lois she should not be there this is not Lois and Clark. They need to put Lex in as a guest role now by having him start his empire in the big city and have him stop through every now and then or Clark bump into him every now and then. That is how you could fix things because with Lex gone he will slowly think of himself above that city and the world(Birthright) that he wouldn't even give Clark a second thought. Then you could bring in why people could never tell the two apart. Birthright handled that pretty well, I mean they kept Clark away from Smallville for years after he finshed High School staying pretty much out of the public eye and everything else and even though Lex was his friend there and was very smart he himself left Smallville like a year or two before Clark and as I said before thought of himself later on above the whole city. Thats what SV really should be doing this season because to explain something that big you can't do it in one show it takes more then that. And as I said for Lex to be as smart as he is you can't just have him leave SV and not know the truth with out some great deal of time passing bye.

[The Incredible Hulk]

It would be boring around here if everybody just agreed and kissed the ground TW and the production walks on..........oh, wait, that happens already......:)

yes, in many a forum on this place it does....

[Milkman95]

yes, in many a forum on this place it does....

Agreed.

[AgentPat]

Well, that's up to Tom and the Producers. Rumor has it that TW isn't looking forward to putting the suit on. It's also been reported that it took TW more than 3 offers to finally commit to the show because he never wanted to fly, wear the suit, or be a full fledged Superman. That's only heresay, so that could be way off, what do I know. I too want to see him in the suit. For me, the pay-off better be pretty big on this.............but I'm not holding my breath, that's for sure.Perhaps you should stop relying on hearsay and listen to what Welling has said himself ON CAMERA during various interviews?

Does anybody have the ABC Family Backstage interview handy? I'm at work and don't have it here, but he spoke at length about his turning down the role for SV and why. And NO!!! It had NOTHING to do with flying or wearing the freakin' suit. The show was described to him as Superman in high school, which he had no interest in playing. They wouldn't give him the script to read (sounds familiar, actually) but wanted him to come in to audition anyway. They told him if he came in for an audition and they liked him, they'd let him read the script. So after the second time he turned them down, they convinced him to come in and read. They loved him, and he loved the script. Please take this information over yonder and let the luminaries know that, kay? They seem to be under the same incorrect assumptions.

I hope you're right. I'd like to see a lot of different interpretations of Superman, not just SV or SR. I'm actually looking forward to seeing Ben Affleck in the George Reeves biopic. I doubt we'll see him in the suit though.I'm looking forward to the Affleck film too. I grew up with the G. Reeves' show, so that should be quite interesting.

As to Welling, my personal opinion is he enjoys playing characters who don't have all the answers. From his POV, once Clark is Superman in Metropolis, the "fun" of fleshing out the character is over. There's not much more development to be made. As an adult, Superman is merely on a quest for truth, justice, and "other stuff." LOL Plots become one in which Clark/Superman swoops in to save the day by the end of the episode/film. For an actor, that can get pretty boring after a while, and I can TOTALLY see how that would be of ZERO interest to Welling. And just to reiterate, that has nothing to do with wearing a peculiar costume or being strung up in front of a green screen.

Give him the opportunity to play a character that doesn't have all the answers, one that makes "human" mistakes but learns from them, and one who is allowed to be "unpredictable" as far as the audience is concerned, and Mr. "that's-not-spandex-is-it?" Welling will be happy as a clam in a mud flat. Listen to his interviews. It's not THAT hard to figure out what he likes about playing Clark Kent and why. It's less about what Clark isn't or doesn't do (fly, wear the costume, etc.) than what he is (naive, conflicted, flawed, and most importantly, still learning.)

What BS? TW not being "Superman"? It's a logical debate, and a relevant one. Discussion is what runs this board, whether it's stirring the pot or not. It would be boring around here if everybody just agreed and kissed the ground TW and the production walks on..........oh, wait, that happens already......:)I was talking about the "TW isn't Superman, and he never will be" crack. If you don't see him as the character, that's one thing, but making these "never will be" assertions as if it's one of Newton's Laws is BS.

[avidreader]

First off thats not my main problem. The thing about Superman was no one knew or even heard about a Clark Kent till he came into town and Superman followed after months, weeks, day? I dont know nor do I care. So my problem was how can you say Lex is one of the smartest people around held up there with Batman or higher and say he won't know who Superman is after seeing him almost everyday for 7 years stright? Please the glasses is a huge plot hole because all people see when you see Clark is a man who is shy and really didn't stand up for himself, plus he didn't look as big as Superman because he always wore clothes bigger then what he needed to hide his body and make him look smaller and that is how hey knew Clark from the moment of seeing him. Now if I met Clark and he was saving everyone and doing all these things they show on the show. Then there is no way in hell I wouldn't be able to put 2 and 2 together. I mean come on now for one you make Lois look real dumb by her not being able to tell and you make Lex look like a chimp. Seriously the idea of the glasses being the big reason why they cant tell one another went out the door when they brought Lois on to the show. I mean you can always go with that idea everyone has a twin somewhere but its stupid. I mean hell even in the comics (pre-crisis) Clark wore glasses and acted like a nerd because he wanted to help people and use his powers(pre-crisis Superboy) which this show pretty much is with out the suit. Hell they even are pretty much going more with the pre-crisis story line(Lex, Lois being in smallvile before he becomes Superman, the multi-colored kryptonite,etc) I mean seriously they really should start living up to their word in many ways because from what they said this season is SIT and all I have seen is the same thing over and over again the only real Superman moment I have seen this season is him stopping the nuke and him saving Lois in that chopper other then that nothing and before you say it yea the FOS parts are good but really how is that SIT? I mean the first time he was there Chole came and spoiled the moment IMO of him really learning more about himself and the second time she is there walking around like everything is all good. If this season really is a SIT season then what they should do is work on getting Lois out of there because as much as I love Lois she should not be there this is not Lois and Clark. They need to put Lex in as a guest role now by having him start his empire in the big city and have him stop through every now and then or Clark bump into him every now and then. That is how you could fix things because with Lex gone he will slowly think of himself above that city and the world(Birthright) that he wouldn't even give Clark a second thought. Then you could bring in why people could never tell the two apart. Birthright handled that pretty well, I mean they kept Clark away from Smallville for years after he finshed High School staying pretty much out of the public eye and everything else and even though Lex was his friend there and was very smart he himself left Smallville like a year or two before Clark and as I said before thought of himself later on above the whole city. Thats what SV really should be doing this season because to explain something that big you can't do it in one show it takes more then that. And as I said for Lex to be as smart as he is you can't just have him leave SV and not know the truth with out some great deal of time passing bye.

Tony your basing your thoughts and opinions on what you already know of Superman lore. We already know that Smallville will take some liberties with the mythos and change them for their show.

Smallville could take a completely different route in bringing Clark Kent to Metropolis, whilst still protecting his secret identity.

Its great to speculate on how this is going to happen but I dont think we should get frustrated with what's going to happen simply based on a story that's already out there.

[avidreader]

Perhaps you should stop relying on hearsay and listen to what Welling has said himself ON CAMERA during various interviews?

Does anybody have the ABC Family Backstage interview handy? I'm at work and don't have it here, but he spoke at length about his turning down the role for SV and why. And NO!!! It had NOTHING to do with flying or wearing the freakin' suit. The show was described to him as Superman in high school, which he had no interest in playing. They wouldn't give him the script to read (sounds familiar, actually) but wanted him to come in to audition anyway. They told him if he came in for an audition and they liked him, they'd let him read the script. So after the second time he turned them down, they convinced him to come in and read. They loved him, and he loved the script. Please take this information over yonder and let the luminaries know that, kay? They seem to be under the same incorrect assumptions.


Well I have it readily available but I dont need to check it out as that is exactly what he said, and he has not only said it in that interview but in numerous interviews and always the same thing.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Perhaps you should stop relying on hearsay and listen to what Welling has said himself ON CAMERA during various interviews?

Does anybody have the ABC Family Backstage interview handy? I'm at work and don't have it here, but he spoke at length about his turning down the role for SV and why. And NO!!! It had NOTHING to do with flying or wearing the freakin' suit. The show was described to him as Superman in high school, which he had no interest in playing. They wouldn't give him the script to read (sounds familiar, actually) but wanted him to come in to audition anyway. They told him if he came in for an audition and they liked him, they'd let him read the script. So after the second time he turned them down, they convinced him to come in and read. They loved him, and he loved the script. Please take this information over yonder and let the luminaries know that, kay? They seem to be under the same incorrect assumptions.

.Which is just how you guys looked at him anyways. :o

[Ultimate_Superman]

Tony your basing your thoughts and opinions on what you already know of Superman lore. We already know that Smallville will take some liberties with the mythos and change them for their show.

Smallville could take a completely different route in bringing Clark Kent to Metropolis, whilst still protecting his secret identity.

Its great to speculate on how this is going to happen but I dont think we should get frustrated with what's going to happen simply based on a story that's already out there.I am not getting frustrated in anyway I was pissed at Max statement so I responded And yet you can't figure out that Clark Kent is Superman WITH the glasses? PUHLEEEZE. It's the biggest plot hole in Superman lore, in my opinion. His whole disguise is centered around a pair of glasses and hair gel. EVERYONE should be able to figure out that Clark Kent is Superman. Duh. If that's your main gripe, then I think you need to rethink your whole perception of the Superman story. thats what pissed me off not the point that they haven't given him glasses yet because I could care less about when he gets it just as long as the story is done right. Though I still think they missed their chance on giving it to him early on it is still a good show.

[Milkman95]

Perhaps you should stop relying on hearsay and listen to what Welling has said himself ON CAMERA during various interviews?

I really don't care what he says on camera. That will be all PC and not the entire truth and you know it. There's a lot more to it, come on.........

Does anybody have the ABC Family Backstage interview handy? I'm at work and don't have it here, but he spoke at length about his turning down the role for SV and why. And NO!!! It had NOTHING to do with flying or wearing the freakin' suit. The show was described to him as Superman in high school, which he had no interest in playing. They wouldn't give him the script to read (sounds familiar, actually) but wanted him to come in to audition anyway. They told him if he came in for an audition and they liked him, they'd let him read the script. So after the second time he turned them down, they convinced him to come in and read. They loved him, and he loved the script. Please take this information over yonder and let the luminaries know that, kay? They seem to be under the same incorrect assumptions.

Sorry, NOTHING is incorrect at this point. Again, do you actually think TW is going to describe everything that happened during his casting process and his likes and dislikes to the public? NO.

I'm looking forward to the Affleck film too. I grew up with the G. Reeves' show, so that should be quite interesting.

Diane Lane should be fantastic as well.

As to Welling, my personal opinion is he enjoys playing characters who don't have all the answers. From his POV, once Clark is Superman in Metropolis, the "fun" of fleshing out the character is over. There's not much more development to be made. As an adult, Superman is merely on a quest for truth, justice, and "other stuff." LOL Plots become one in which Clark/Superman swoops in to save the day by the end of the episode/film. For an actor, that can get pretty boring after a while, and I can TOTALLY see how that would be of ZERO interest to Welling. And just to reiterate, that has nothing to do with wearing a peculiar costume or being strung up in front of a green screen.

True, I enjoy origin stories as well. Batman Begins and the original Donner film are classics IMO.

Give him the opportunity to play a character that doesn't have all the answers, one that makes "human" mistakes but learns from them, and one who is allowed to be "unpredictable" as far as the audience is concerned, and Mr. "that's-not-spandex-is-it?" Welling will be happy as a clam in a mud flat. Listen to his interviews. It's not THAT hard to figure out what he likes about playing Clark Kent and why. It's less about what Clark isn't or doesn't do (fly, wear the costume, etc.) than what he is (naive, conflicted, flawed, and most importantly, still learning.)

Agreed, but isn't that the main focus of any "superhero" character? For example, I'm more interested in the psychological make-up of Bruce Wayne than seeing him in the actual suit.........

I was talking about the "TW isn't Superman, and he never will be" crack. If you don't see him as the character, that's one thing, but making these "never will be" assertions as if it's one of Newton's Laws is BS.

Well, I guess it matters what your own personal definition of Superman is.........I stand by my quote until proven otherwise.........

[avidreader]

I am not getting frustrated in anyway I was pissed at Max statement so I responded thats what pissed me off not the point that they haven't given him glasses yet because I could care less about when he gets it just as long as the story is done right. Though I still think they missed their chance on giving it to him early on it is still a good show.

I still cant see how giving him glasses now will prevent Lois/Lex from knowing that Clark Kent and Superman are the same person later on. He will still be Clark Kent saving the day, but wearing a pair of glasses.

I really don't care what he says on camera. That will be all PC and not the entire truth and you know it. There's a lot more to it, come on.........


So basing what he says on rumour and speculation is a more accurate account of how he feels about the character than what you've actually heard him say.

[triplet]

You know, I tried the read all the posts in here but it's giving me a headache...

The number of rants per capita has gone up substantially in the last day, I should think.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I still cant see how giving him glasses now will prevent Lois/Lex from knowing that Clark Kent and Superman are the same person later on. He will still be Clark Kent saving the day, but wearing a pair of glasses.



It doesn't what would do it is years of not seeing one another and little to no contact with one another. Thats what kept them from not knowing. Birthrights Lex was Clark best friend but after Lex left he didn't see Clark for years and later thought of himself above all so it worked on why he couldn't tell. But you just can't have Clark/Superman show up only after a year of Lois and Lex not seeing Clark and expect them not to be able to tell who is who because then it is like saying they can't even do simple math. You would need years apart between the two and now is the perfect time to start that see it you only have 2 more seasons left.

[avidreader]

It doesn't what would do it is years of not seeing one another and little to no contact with one another. Thats what kept them from not knowing. Birthrights Lex was Clark best friend but after Lex left he didn't see Clark for years and later thought of himself above all so it worked on why he couldn't tell. But you just can't have Clark/Superman show up only after a year of Lois and Lex not seeing Clark and expect them not to be able to tell who is who because then it is like saying they can't even do simple math. You would need years apart between the two and now is the perfect time to start that see it you only have 2 more seasons left.

Which brings you back to what most people around here think and that is Lex and Lois will know that he is Superman. Each will keep their thoughts private for different reasons. In my opinion that gives the character of Lex and Lois more substance, credibility and intelligence.

I've read Birthright, and frankly I thought Lex not knowing or even recognising Clark was unbelievable.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Which brings you back to what most people around here think and that is Lex and Lois will know that he is Superman. Each will keep their thoughts private for different reasons. In my opinion that gives the character of Lex and Lois more substance, credibility and intelligence.

I've read Birthright, and frankly I thought Lex not knowing or even recognising Clark was unbelievable.Really the way Pa Kent explained it says why Lex doesn't remember(Birthright). Now in the comics Lex does know Clark Kent is Superman and I find that how he is handleing things to be great. The problem goes though is Lex is to evil to let something like that go. Look at the comics when Lex found out he started attacking the people close to him. Even now he is doing so. Thats why having him know and not go off and kill the Kents or Lois or Pete or Lana is more unbelievable IMO because Lex is a killer hell when Superman died he killed a woman just to prove how much power he has. He leveled Metropolis for christ sakes to rumble. Now that he remembers who Suprman is he sent people off to kill Lois, Jimmy, and its only a matter of time before they go for a shot at the Kents. I am just saying I don't mind them not putting on the glasses I just think they need to give like some time apart before them all meeting up again. Also to your Lois knowing thing it all it would tturn out like is like how it did with Chole fun at first then boring after a while. She should find out when he tells her like how it has always been.

[triplet]

Which brings you back to what most people around here think and that is Lex and Lois will know that he is Superman. Each will keep their thoughts private for different reasons. In my opinion that gives the character of Lex and Lois more substance, credibility and intelligence.

I've read Birthright, and frankly I thought Lex not knowing or even recognising Clark was unbelievable.

Yeah, it was like Lex was mind wiped but nothing happened to cause it. He just "chose" to forget everything in Smallville.

I didn't buy that either.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yeah, it was like Lex was mind wiped but nothing happened to cause it. He just "chose" to forget everything in Smallville.

I didn't buy that either.He didn't forget he just thinks of himself above them. So he looks at it like a very small stepping stone. Like a King back in the old days you couldn't look them in the eyes and they wouldn't do the same to you because they think your below them thats how he sees SV and Clark now.

[avidreader]

He didn't forget he just thinks of himself above them. So he looks at it like a very small stepping stone. Like a King back in the old days you couldn't look them in the eyes and they wouldn't do the same to you because they think your below them thats how he sees SV and Clark now.

Well that could be a plausible reason for Lex not hurting the Kents or anyone else that Superman loves. He sees them as below him and not worthy of his attention. When Clark decides to put on the uniform it will be Superman that Lex sees as his adversary and not Clark Kent.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well that could be a plausible reason for Lex not hurting the Kents or anyone else that Superman loves. He sees them as below him and not worthy of his attention. When Clark decides to put on the uniform it will be Superman that Lex sees as his adversary and not Clark Kent.No he sees both as an adversary. Clark for marrying the woman he loves (Lois) and Superman for well we all know the reasons why. Thats why in the comics we now have Ruin (Pete Ross at the moment)who is going around trying to hurt all the ones Superman loves. Hell he even turned Pete against Clark because Pete blames him for Lana leaving him.

[avidreader]

No he sees both as an adversary. Clark for marrying the woman he loves (Lois) and Superman for well we all know the reasons why. Thats why in the comics we now have Ruin (Pete Ross at the moment)who is going around trying to hurt all the ones Superman loves. Hell he even turned Pete against Clark because Pete blames him for Lana leaving him.

They're comic book stories not Smallville. I think after Solitude we know how Lex and Lois feel about each other. They arent gonna be lovers on Smallville. Same with the Pete and Lana story.

[Ultimate_Superman]

They're comic book stories not Smallville. I think after Solitude we know how Lex and Lois feel about each other. They arent gonna be lovers on Smallville. Same with the Pete and Lana story.Those were just examples meaning you see how evil Lex is thats why I say they need to pull the two of them away because if he knows who Superman is it takes away IMO from how evil Lex truely is.

[Brainiac 8]

So....how about those dolphins? Can't wait till they make the Superbowl again.:O :)

Let's move on shall we?:)

[Ultimate_Superman]

So....how about those dolphins? Can't wait till they make the Superbowl again.:O :)

Let's move on shall we?:)Dolphins:mad::mad::mad::mad: Raiders baby come over to the dark side.

[avidreader]

We talkin football.... I say go Chargers.

[Ultimate_Superman]

We talkin football.... I say go Chargers.:down:down:downRaiders. Can any of your teams sit and honestly say Darth Vader chills at their games as well??? No

[triplet]

Go Niners!

:triplet remembers they're 2 and 9:

Ooh... well, maybe not.


They're really hard to love lately... :(

[Ultimate_Superman]

Go Niners!

:triplet remembers they're 2 and 9:

Ooh... well, maybe not.


They're really hard to love lately... :(Look at the bright there is no where to go now but up like my other team the Redskins.

[triplet]

Look at the bright there is no where to go now but up like my other team the Redskins.

:D :up:

I used to be a skins fan before I married a 9ers fan. I figured I had to convert or there'd be no living with him in the fall... ;) I'm glad the 'Skins are doing better than they had been.

[Ultimate_Superman]

:D :up:

I used to be a skins fan before I married a 9ers fan. I figured I had to convert or there'd be no living with him in the fall... ;) I'm glad the 'Skins are doing better than they had been.I am only a skins and Raiders fan(more Raiders then skins) though I have season tickets to the Skins. Almost got into a fight when the Raiders came into town and pulled that big upset. (Mainly because I had my Raiders gear with me on the Skins fan side)

[Milkman95]

Try being a Detroit Lions fan.........

[The Incredible Hulk]

Try being a Detroit Lions fan.........

I have...for 30 fricking years :(

[Brainiac 8]

Dolphins:mad::mad::mad::mad: Raiders baby come over to the dark side.

Wait a minute, didn't they get totally spanked by my buckaneers.:D

Kidding, Kidding, Geez.:O

[Ultimate_Superman]

laugh it up funny man wait until next season

[avidreader]

Okay, moving on.... how about that Tom Welling as Superman. :supes:

[Bruce_Wayne29]

As far as Lois is concerned, we already know how she's going to handle the big picture, so the whole recognizing verses not recognizing debate should be null. I could see her playing a similar "game" with Clark, but on a more playful level. She'd have the same relationship she does now with Clark - poking fun at him every opportunity she gets. He will respond in kind. But BOTH of them would change their demeanors around each other when Superman is there. Lois will be attracted to the "super" part of Clark and his save the world type mentality (just like she was with A.C.), so she'll get all weak in the knees around Clark when he's Superman (DUH!) Clark won't know she knows it's him (he's pretty dense when it comes to that), so he'll flirt back. As Clark, he'll never admit to being attracted to Lois because of their history growing up in Smallville, but as Superman, he can be "himself" and let his true feelings be known. It'll contribute to his character reversal in Metropolis where "Clark Kent" is the facade and Superman is the real deal - a man without secrets to the world, which is something Clark wants more than anything right now.

Yeah, that is what I'd like to see. It'd be a new spin on the mythos, something SV loves to do. It would be different and entertaining. It also makes the most sense from a reality point of view because who *wouldn't* recognize Clark as Superman (or vice versa) in the "real" world? That aspect of the mythos is probably the hardest pill to swallow, more so than who and what Clark actually is.

That's an amazing explanation. The best one I've ever read about Lois. It all makes sense. It's so great to read something like this, especially from someone who really "gets" it.

[Ultimate_Superman]

All it that is Chole under a new name

[Milkman95]

^That's why Chloe will eventually be killed off..........

[The Caped Knight]

As far as Lois is concerned, we already know how she's going to handle the big picture, so the whole recognizing verses not recognizing debate should be null. I could see her playing a similar "game" with Clark, but on a more playful level. She'd have the same relationship she does now with Clark - poking fun at him every opportunity she gets. He will respond in kind. But BOTH of them would change their demeanors around each other when Superman is there. Lois will be attracted to the "super" part of Clark and his save the world type mentality (just like she was with A.C.), so she'll get all weak in the knees around Clark when he's Superman (DUH!) Clark won't know she knows it's him (he's pretty dense when it comes to that), so he'll flirt back. As Clark, he'll never admit to being attracted to Lois because of their history growing up in Smallville, but as Superman, he can be "himself" and let his true feelings be known. It'll contribute to his character reversal in Metropolis where "Clark Kent" is the facade and Superman is the real deal - a man without secrets to the world, which is something Clark wants more than anything right now.

Yeah, that is what I'd like to see. It'd be a new spin on the mythos, something SV loves to do. It would be different and entertaining. It also makes the most sense from a reality point of view because who *wouldn't* recognize Clark as Superman (or vice versa) in the "real" world? That aspect of the mythos is probably the hardest pill to swallow, more so than who and what Clark actually is.


Pat I totally agree with you 100 %, I like that a lot . It would make sense of how Lois Lane always knew Clark Kent is SUPERMAN . :supes:

[AgentPat]

Which is just how you guys looked at him anyways. :o
:confused:

What has *our* view of him now got to do with his reasoning for turning down the job five years ago?

Man, what IS it about this topic that's so difficult to understand? If Welling has any aversion to wearing the suit or flying ON SV, it's because it "goes against what we set out to do." He's said this DOZENS of times in DOZENS of interviews. In fact, there's a nod to that point in the latest EW article. He said (paraphrasing), "as long as they keep to the original plan, there's no telling how long the show could go." Read between the lines of that quote and you'll understand the big picture here. Clearly, Welling likes playing Clark. Why? Cause Clark doesn't have all the answers. Clark is still learning, so there's plenty of character development open to HIS interpretation.

Look at it from an actor's POV. It aint that hard. TW has been giving an opportunity that few other actors have had: the chance to reimage and mold one of the greatest fictional American icons from the ground up. It's more fun to start from scratch than it is to duplicate what somebody else did - and did well.

I really don't care what he says on camera...So we shouldn't believe what he says publicly? How 'bout the comments made by a certain film director about his casting choices? C'mon Milkman! We've got to hang our hats on something, and unsubstantiated rumor and heresay ain't a good place to start. Listen to what people actually say. Read between the lines if you want (I do), but I think we need to take things at face value first before boarding the train to assumption junction.

I just happen to have two quotes handy [Pat waves hi to the forwardee], and since the *other* thread was closed, I'm just gonna repost 'em for posterity...

Dreamwatch, #127, April 2005
"Flyboy" (The title of the article just Cracks. Me. Up! LOL)
by Robert Falconer

"There were so many rumors out there, and it's the kind of situation where if you speak about it you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. I'd rather be damned if I don't. I've even had the rumors reach the set. People came to me to say, 'Is this true?' or 'Is that true?' I tend to just let the snowball go... then get out of the way."

SFX, #123, November 2004
"Is Smallville's Superman going to transform into the big screen's Man of Steel?
by Thomasina Gibson

"Well, I have been approached, but that's all I can say on the matter," he grins, a twinkle in his eyes, and refused to say more...

That will be all PC and not the entire truth and you know it. There's a lot more to it, come on.........Indeed. There will ALWAYS be details left unspoken.

Sorry, NOTHING is incorrect at this point. Again, do you actually think TW is going to describe everything that happened during his casting process and his likes and dislikes to the public? NO. Of course not. He's a smart cookie. He KNOWS when to shut his trap about these things. He's not about to burn any bridges with past, present, or potential future employers.

Agreed, but isn't that the main focus of any "superhero" character?What is? Character development? It should be the focus of ANY character. Some just have more to "develop" than others.

For example, I'm more interested in the psychological make-up of Bruce Wayne than seeing him in the actual suit.........Did you audition for Nolan?

Well, I guess it matters what your own personal definition of Superman is.........I stand by my quote until proven otherwise.........There's "definitions" and there's "preferences." Defining a comic book character is pretty haphazard since there's so many interpretations to reference. I can tell you what I prefer and what I don't... but sheeeit, you already know my feelings on that, doncha? :p

[Ultimate_Superman]

:confused:



I just happen to have two quotes handy [Pat waves hi to the forwardee], and since the *other* thread was closed, I'm just gonna repost 'em for posterity...
Dreamwatch, #127, April 2005
"Flyboy" (The title of the article just Cracks. Me. Up! LOL)
by Robert Falconer

"There were so many rumors out there, and it's the kind of situation where if you speak about it you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. I'd rather be damned if I don't. I've even had the rumors reach the set. People came to me to say, 'Is this true?' or 'Is that true?' I tend to just let the snowball go... then get out of the way."

SFX, #123, November 2004
"Is Smallville's Superman going to transform into the big screen's Man of Steel?
by Thomasina Gibson

"Well, I have been approached, but that's all I can say on the matter," he grins, a twinkle in his eyes, and refused to say more...If you quote those you got to quote where he says he did not want to play Superman or even Clark going off to college and things.

[Milkman95]

say[/i]. Read between the lines if you want (I do), but I think we need to take things at face value first before boarding the train to assumption junction

True, I see your point and always have. I'm just saying let's not hang our hats on what he has said publicly either. We both know there's more to it, that's all.........

I just happen to have two quotes handy [Pat waves hi to the forwardee], and since the *other* thread was closed, I'm just gonna repost 'em for posterity...

Dreamwatch, #127, April 2005
"Flyboy" (The title of the article just Cracks. Me. Up! LOL)
by Robert Falconer

"There were so many rumors out there, and it's the kind of situation where if you speak about it you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. I'd rather be damned if I don't. I've even had the rumors reach the set. People came to me to say, 'Is this true?' or 'Is that true?' I tend to just let the snowball go... then get out of the way."

SFX, #123, November 2004
"Is Smallville's Superman going to transform into the big screen's Man of Steel?
by Thomasina Gibson

"Well, I have been approached, but that's all I can say on the matter," he grins, a twinkle in his eyes, and refused to say more...

Indeed. There will ALWAYS be details left unspoken.

Great quote by TW. He knows NOT what to say, which further fills the pot of speculation on what happened when he was cast on SV and his offers for Superman under the director's McG and Brett Ratner.

Of course not. He's a smart cookie. He KNOWS when to shut his trap about these things. He's not about to burn any bridges with past, present, or potential future employers.

Agreed.

What is? Character development? It should be the focus of ANY character. Some just have more to "develop" than others.

True, the character is always the focus, not his suit/outfit.

Did you audition for Nolan?

I wish I could of. I'm built like Bale but being just a tad shorter........

There's "definitions" and there's "preferences." Defining a comic book character is pretty haphazard since there's so many interpretations to reference. I can tell you what I prefer and what I don't... but sheeeit, you already know my feelings on that, doncha? :p

Yeah, you love Tom, which is fine. I really don't have a preference. Give me a good Superman film with any actor that has the potential to pull it off and I'm fine........

[avidreader]

So how about that Tom Welling as Superman.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I dont know I guess I see him more as Superboy because thats pretty much who he is and is acting like.

[Brainiac 8]

So how about that Tom Welling as Superman.


LOL, Avid your trying to do the same thing I was when I made my Dolphins comment.:D

unfortunatly mine created just a new avenue of argumentation.:O

[avidreader]

Double post

[avidreader]

I dont know I guess I see him more as Superboy because thats pretty much who he is and is acting like.

Maybe in Season 1 and 2, but I think progressively since Season 3 and particularly this season he has grown into a man with some of the hurdles he had to cross.

Although I do find it interesting that he hasnt done anything particularly heroic in Season 5, except for the missile in Hidden and the helicopter in Exposed. And by heroic, I mean using his superpowers to save the day.

[avidreader]

LOL, Avid your trying to do the same thing I was when I made my Dolphins comment.:D

unfortunatly mine created just a new avenue of argumentation.:O

I know I said the same thing when that conversation was going on too long as well. :D

[Milkman95]

So how about that Tom Welling as Superman.

I would like to see TW and Christian Bale in a Batman/Superman crossover film about 15 years from now.

[avidreader]

^^^^ 15 years, that's a long time aways.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Maybe in Season 1 and 2, but I think progressively since Season 3 and particularly this season he has grown into a man with some of the hurdles he had to cross.

Although I do find it interesting that he hasnt done anything particularly heroic in Season 5, except for the missile in Hidden and the helicopter in Exposed. And by heroic, I mean using his superpowers to save the day.Not really because if you read the Superboy comics he is pretty much doing what he did back then with out the time travel. It also reminds me a little of the Superboy series only more advance. I mean for me to say Superman right now he has to learn what it means to be Superman. Right now he is to human and Superman is not human. He is not a leader yet. He has not shown me he is the person I want to lead me during OWAW or something like that.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I would like to see TW and Christian Bale in a Batman/Superman crossover film about 15 years from now.I would love to see them more doing Kingdom Come. I think TW would make a great Kingdom Come Superman because right now his Clark and Super Clark are almost like the same person that I am not sure how he will do playing a duel role. So I like him in Kingdom Come there he is always Superman.

[musclesforsupes]

The only thing that still raises an eyebrow on Welling and the role for me is..

The TCA, I know he wasnt smiling and winking because he was cast in The Fog.

[Ultimate_Superman]

The only thing that still raises an eyebrow on Welling and the role for me is..

The TCA, I know he wasnt smiling and winking because he was cast in The Fog.Maybe he thought who ever was asking him the questions was hot.:o

[Milkman95]

I would love to see them more doing Kingdom Come. I think TW would make a great Kingdom Come Superman because right now his Clark and Super Clark are almost like the same person that I am not sure how he will do playing a duel role. So I like him in Kingdom Come there he is always Superman.

That's what I meant - IMO, a Batman/Superman film should take place later in their careers, kind of like that excellent Andrew Kevin Walker script that almost went into production with Wolfgang Petersen directing. In that case, we were looking possibly at Colin Farrell as Batman and Jude Law as Supes. The story is good, but thankfully that casting didn't happen.

I think having both TW and Bale in their late 30's or early 40's would be great for a film that takes place later in their careers........you could re-cast Supes easily to Welling if Routh doesn't work out.........

[Ultimate_Superman]

That's what I meant - IMO, a Batman/Superman film should take place later in their careers, kind of like that excellent Andrew Kevin Walker script that almost went into production with Wolfgang Petersen directing. In that case, we were looking possibly at Colin Farrell as Batman and Jude Law as Supes. The story is good, but thankfully that casting didn't happen.

I think having both TW and Bale in their late 30's or early 40's would be great for a film that takes place later in their careers........you could re-cast Supes easily to Welling if Routh doesn't work out.........True it is easy to pretty much re-cast all of the Superman cast if you wanted.

[Milkman95]

^Exactly. Adding another 10 years of age on TW and 15 more pounds and he'd make an excellent older Supes...........

[Ultimate_Superman]

He would really come out looking like Geroge Reeves Superman toward the end which still wasn't that bad.

[triplet]

I think I'm feelling a little ill...

http://www.sfrisch.com/images/merry_go.jpg

Someone let me off this ride, please? :rolleyes:

[Milkman95]

^This conversation is about TW as Superman. What ride are you talking about?

[triplet]

^This conversation is about TW as Superman. What ride are you talking about?

What ride, you ask? The merry go round of this argument, of course.

The argument keeps going around and around and around and around...

Around and around she goes.
Where she'll stop, nobody knows.

*sigh*

[Milkman95]

^Well, that's debating and what message boards are all about. Why would you come to a board where everybody is a robot and thinks and acts the same way? I'm sure we'll continue to have fun and have this go around some more............

[triplet]

I've been around, milkman. I know what it's like on forums so you don't need to talk to me like I'm a newbie.

It's just frustrating to me when people say the same things over and over again and don't listen to each other. It becomes a game of one-up-manship that no one can ever win...

[Zing79]

^Well, that's debating and what message boards are all about. Why would you come to a board where everybody is a robot and thinks and acts the same way? I'm sure we'll continue to have fun and have this go around some more............
Well you better be very careful about where you go with your posts, or where you try to take the argument -- and I mean VERY careful. Every mod was sent that initial EULA and most agreed to have zero tolerance towards those who try to turn it into any of the usual debates.

EULA for the Tom Welling as Superman thread:

Discussion is to be restricted to Tom Welling as Clark Kent/Superman on Smallville and what Tom Welling brings to the table (with regards to the character) on THAT show only!
By entering this thread you agree to not post, mention, or bring up Superman Returns in any way shape or form. By posting Superman Returns related pictures, information, opinions, or insinuations in the Tom Welling as Superman thread you will agree with any punishment that can or will be handed down to you by SuperHeroHype Forum Moderators.

Not saying you're doing anything wrong now, but you're fast approaching the line that could easily launch a flame attack, and get you in trouble.

[Serene]

TW and Bale? Yeah, that works for me.

Uh... Go Bears. :D

[Brainiac 8]

I think I'm feelling a little ill...

http://www.sfrisch.com/images/merry_go.jpg

Someone let me off this ride, please? :rolleyes:


Triplet, for this reason is why Avid and I keep trying to interject subject changes in a humerous way.:D

[avidreader]

Triplet, for this reason is why Avid and I keep trying to interject subject changes in a humerous way.:D

Okay, so on that note how about Tom Welling as Superman.


(That's the last time I'll say it, I promise) :D

[Serene]

This picture is just screaming for a cape.

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/1/3/4/twsplinter01.jpg
as posted by Jana on DTTW (http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/index.php?page=tomwelling)

[AgentPat]

That pic is reversed!

I hate it when they do that. But yeah, it would have been nicer if that was his RED Carhartt. :p

[KikiDee]

There are some amazing pics on James' website that absolutely define why I think of Superman when I watch Tom on the show.

http://www.tomwelling.org/pop-ups/home/2005-12-01.html

[Zing79]

There are some amazing pics on James' website that absolutely define why I think of Superman when I watch Tom on the show.

http://www.tomwelling.org/pop-ups/home/2005-12-01.html
Make-up, light is thy enemy. Those pics of him in natural light (especially the one the in bottom right hand corner) just scream Superman.

[avidreader]

I love the sandals. :)

Those pics really capture the right expressions as well.

[Lara]

Ugh I should have checked the site sooner I live in Indianapolis. =(

[RakuMon]

There are some amazing pics on James' website that absolutely define why I think of Superman when I watch Tom on the show.

http://www.tomwelling.org/pop-ups/home/2005-12-01.html
Is anyone else having a problem accessing this link?

[avidreader]

Is anyone else having a problem accessing this link?

I got on it okay, but if you go to TomWelling.org you'll be able to click on the link there.

I'm not sure that James likes direct links like Kiki has posted. I could be wrong but I thought I read it somewhere.

[AgentPat]

I got on it okay, but if you go to TomWelling.org you'll be able to click on the link there.

I'm not sure that James likes direct links like Kiki has posted. I could be wrong but I thought I read it somewhere.I think the no no is with hot linking. ie: posting a link direct to the .jpg (which probably wouldn't work anyway, but just sayin.)

As to linking to the html page, I have no idea why he's got that redirected. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/shrug.gif

[musclesforsupes]

TCA nuff said

[KikiDee]

Make-up, light is thy enemy. Those pics of him in natural light (especially the one the in bottom right hand corner) just scream Superman.

That's the one that got me. Oh and sorry if you guys had trouble with the link. I would have just put his website link if I had known. I know better than to try and hotlink his stuff.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Gmanofsteel]

Nice. Great spelling....
what i lack in spelling i make up for by not being an ass in the SR forums . . .

[AgentPat]

Great shot...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/splinter5.jpg

Too bad he wasn't wearing his red jacket with the blue shirt. :(

[triplet]

I like this one, this is scaled down from the HQ version that James posted on his site (http://www.tomwelling.org)... Very Supermanly pose.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5552/aqua600x9001qn.jpg

[BareKnucklez]

I like this one, this is scaled down from the HQ version that James posted on his site (http://www.tomwelling.org)... Very Supermanly pose.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5552/aqua600x9001qn.jpg

heh someone quick put that head on Routh's head from the official picture of Routh in the suit.

Anyway I was looking around the DC site, and found this picture of an older Superman, and a younger Superman who looked pretty cool...

http://www.chez.com/theballbreaker/dc/superman/dk_superman.gif
http://www.chez.com/theballbreaker/dc/variant/SoS_superboy.gif
Then I thought about Welling in those suits, and to my surprise the faces are a pretty good match!!! What does the rest of ya think??

[triplet]

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/4277/churchsign7ko.jpg

[KikiDee]

Great shot...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/splinter5.jpg

Too bad he wasn't wearing his red jacket with the blue shirt. :(

Is this one from Splinter? The reason I ask is that the other reviewer over at SHP made the observation that this was because he wasn't himself. He was reversed so to speak. When the splinter was the removed the next scene you see him in he's wearing the red jacket with a blue shirt.

[notalurkerany+]

I like this one, this is scaled down from the HQ version that James posted on his site (http://www.tomwelling.org)... Very Supermanly pose.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5552/aqua600x9001qn.jpg

My goodness! :eek: Somebody manip on a suit ASAP! :D :D :D

[Sverdlovski]

I like this one, this is scaled down from the HQ version that James posted on his site (http://www.tomwelling.org)... Very Supermanly pose.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5552/aqua600x9001qn.jpg
He even has a spit-curl... or something close to that!

[musclesforsupes]

Congrates to Pat, Triplet, and Tomwelling4Supes for staying in this weeks Hype Top 25~!

[triplet]

Congrates to Pat, Triplet, and Tomwelling4Supes for staying in this weeks Hype Top 25~!

Thanks... I think.

:rolleyes:

[AgentPat]

Hmmm. Time to....

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/bump.gif


Okay, nuthin' new here, but I still get a good chuckle when I see this. I don't know where I scarfed it, but it was something "official" at the time. Possibly an ad for the then new season, or perhaps a cross marketing piece through Warner Home Video to sell the 1st season box set? I dunno.

What I DO know is... well... it speaks for itself:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/poster4.jpg

:D :up:




BTW, when did the 4th season preem again? It was September something, right? So that ad would have been made a good month or so earlier, right?



*cough* :rolleyes:

[triplet]

Hmmm. Time to....

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/bump.gif


Okay, nuthin' new here, but I still get a good chuckle when I see this. I don't know where I scarfed it, but it was something "official" at the time. Possibly an ad for the then new season, or perhaps a cross marketing piece through Warner Home Video to sell the 1st season box set? I dunno.

What I DO know is... well... it speaks for itself:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/poster4.jpg

:D :up:




BTW, when did the 4th season preem again? It was September something, right? So that ad would have been made a good month or so earlier, right?



*cough* :rolleyes:

According to TV.com (http://www.tv.com/smallville/show/1718/episode_guide.html&season=4), Crusade aired on September 22nd last year...

*cough*

:D

[AgentPat]

According to TV.com (http://www.tv.com/smallville/show/1718/episode_guide.html&season=4), Crusade aired on September 22nd last year...LOL! Yup. I'm kicking myself for not noting where I first saw it. At the time, it was just another version of the same ad I had 10 other copies of. But I'm a packrat and save everything.

Sheeeit... Who knew? I mean, other than the designers of *that* ad, of course. :p

[Serene]

Okay, nuthin' new here, but I still get a good chuckle when I see this. I don't know where I scarfed it, but it was something "official" at the time. Possibly an ad for the then new season, or perhaps a cross marketing piece through Warner Home Video to sell the 1st season box set? I dunno.

What I DO know is... well... it speaks for itself:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/poster4.jpg
It speaks for more than itself. ;)

I remember seeing that as a HUGE scrolling ad in Woodfield Mall - the ginormous mall in the Chicagoland area. It stopped me in my tracks. LOL..I'm sure I was quite the sight drooling at the big Superman ad in the middle of the mall. :)

[avidreader]

It speaks for more than itself. ;)

I remember seeing that as a HUGE scrolling ad in Woodfield Mall - the ginormous mall in the Chicagoland area. It stopped me in my tracks. LOL..I'm sure I was quite the sight drooling at the big Superman ad in the middle of the mall. :)

I think I would die on the spot if I saw a ginormous version of that poster in a Mall. :eek:

Then I could hope that he would leap out and resuscitate me. :D

[AgentPat]

It speaks for more than itself. ;)

I remember seeing that as a HUGE scrolling ad in Woodfield Mall - the ginormous mall in the Chicagoland area. It stopped me in my tracks. LOL..I'm sure I was quite the sight drooling at the big Superman ad in the middle of the mall. :)Yeah, I remember the mall ads too 'cause the same thing happened to me when I first saw it. It was shocking, actually. But I don't remember if they had the "Tom Welling as Superman" label? The ones I remember were the ones with just the preem date, and the ones that had "it was only a matter of time [till] Lois," or something along those lines. No matter though; I do like this one with the S1 insert.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

That's pretty cool. I always thought that in the cover of the season 1 dvd he had that Superman look. And of course that image from the Season 4 promo shoot speaks for itself. Really neat Pat.

[rumpuso]

The huge poster in the mall at Tysons said "Look Up!"

God that was sweet!

[AgentPat]

The huge poster in the mall at Tysons said "Look Up!"Bingo! Yeah, that's the same one I saw here in Boston at the Burlington Mall. That's all it said: "Look Up!"

God that was sweet!Understatement. I was in awe. Talk about being bigger than life. They couldn't have made him look any more amazing if they tried. And it did what it was supposed to - stopped me dead in my tracks. Damn fine ad, it was, it was. :D

[RakuMon]

In the latest Wizard, Jeph Loeb offers his thoughts on Welling's appeal as Superman:

"C'mon! He's my guy! Nobody works harder and delivers more. As they approach 100 episodes, I'm sure he'll hold the title for longest and best remembered."

[avidreader]

In the latest Wizard, Jeph Loeb offers his thoughts on Welling's appeal as Superman:

"C'mon! He's my guy! Nobody works harder and delivers more. As they approach 100 episodes, I'm sure he'll hold the title for longest and best remembered."

Awesome! :up: :)

Thanks for sharing that Raku.

[Brainiac 8]

In the latest Wizard, Jeph Loeb offers his thoughts on Welling's appeal as Superman:

"C'mon! He's my guy! Nobody works harder and delivers more. As they approach 100 episodes, I'm sure he'll hold the title for longest and best remembered."


That was a mighty nice thing to say. See, Tom really does pull off the look of Superman.:supes:

[Ultimate_Superman]

In the latest Wizard, Jeph Loeb offers his thoughts on Welling's appeal as Superman:

"C'mon! He's my guy! Nobody works harder and delivers more. As they approach 100 episodes, I'm sure he'll hold the title for longest and best remembered."I hope he would say that after how much work he has done on the show.

[AgentPat]

In the latest Wizard, Jeph Loeb offers his thoughts on Welling's appeal as Superman:

"C'mon! He's my guy! Nobody works harder and delivers more. As they approach 100 episodes, I'm sure he'll hold the title for longest and best remembered."That's one helluva compliment there. Wow!

Now I have a lump in my throat. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/cry.gif

I hope he would say that after how much work he has done on the show.Yeah, 'cause such overly biased opinions couldn't possibly be legitimately heartfelt. :rolleyes:

Hell, I bet he'll be comparing Jorge "Hurley" Garcia from LOST to Orson Welles next. :p

[RakuMon]

I hope he would say that after how much work he has done on the show.
That's what makes that quote so special. He's seen first-hand how much work Welling's put into the character. That's something only someone who's worked closely with the production team can fully understand.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yeah, 'cause such overly biased opinions couldn't possibly be legitimately heartfelt. :rolleyes:

Hell, I bet he'll be comparing Jorge "Hurley" Garcia from LOST to Orson Welles next. :pOnce again you are putting words into my mouth I said what I said because like how RakuMon said he worked with him for all those years anything less would be an insult. Your reading why to much into what I said.

[Gmanofsteel]

Congrates to Pat, Triplet, and Tomwelling4Supes for staying in this weeks Hype Top 25~!
whoa, i'm in the top 25? :eek: i had no idea :D

[Serene]

In the latest Wizard, Jeph Loeb offers his thoughts on Welling's appeal as Superman:

"C'mon! He's my guy! Nobody works harder and delivers more. As they approach 100 episodes, I'm sure he'll hold the title for longest and best remembered."

Wow.. What a wonderful thing to say. I'm joining Pat in the "lumpy throat" corner.

[Zorex]

It speaks for more than itself. ;)

I remember seeing that as a HUGE scrolling ad in Woodfield Mall - the ginormous mall in the Chicagoland area. It stopped me in my tracks. LOL..I'm sure I was quite the sight drooling at the big Superman ad in the middle of the mall. :)
hahaha, now THAT would have been a sight to see ;)

[AgentPat]

Hey Thunder, you out there babe? You're better at this than I. ;)


Triplet first posted the first image from Aqua. I resized it and flipped it for "proper" orientation, just in case anybody wanted to... oh, I dunno, drag it elsewhere. :rolleyes:

Oh look... Sideburns! LOL :p

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/aqua7b.jpg


Here's another shot with a different height on the camera...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/aqua8.jpg

Yeah. Suit or no suit, THAT'S my Superman. Yup. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup.gif

[Brainiac 8]

He does pull off that "I'm really an understanding guy, but if you mess with my city I'll punch you into next year" looks doesn't he. Very Supermanly in the Reeve sense. Strong looking, yet kindly.:D

[notalurkerany+]

It's funny but I haven't seen yet a Welling Supes manip that has him smiling. All of them show him in a stern, serious pose. I wish I had the time to make one manip that shows him relaxed and smiling. The picture would exude charisma. :)

[Thunder Emperor]

Hey Thunder, you out there babe? You're better at this than I. ;)


Triplet first posted the first image from Aqua. I resized it and flipped it for "proper" orientation, just in case anybody wanted to... oh, I dunno, drag it elsewhere. :rolleyes:

Oh look... Sideburns! LOL :p

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/aqua7b.jpg


Here's another shot with a different height on the camera...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/aqua8.jpg

Yeah. Suit or no suit, THAT'S my Superman. Yup. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup.gif



wohooooooooooooo I Am here and back, was on vacation in London. what a great time. I see this calls for the great work of the might Zing to put his manip touch on these pics, to help expand our look on superman me Tom Welling. Oh great Zing where art thou.


And yes Tom is my Superman and I am proud to say that no shoulder pads are required by him.:up:

[notalurkerany+]

HWSNBN will make an excellent interpretation of Superman, but Tom Welling IS Superman :D :up:

[triplet]

HWSNBN will make an excellent interpretation of Superman, but Tom Welling IS Superman :D :up:

How long have you been lurking?

My gosh, I haven't seen that acronym in like... a year.

btw: you shouldn't talk about that film here... bad form.

[notalurkerany+]

How long have you been lurking?

My gosh, I haven't seen that acronym in like... a year.

btw: you shouldn't talk about that film here... bad form.

Erm...actually, about two months. I haven't seen the use of that acronym here but on other forums, so I decided to use it to not talk directly about the movie. Even so, I still ended mentioning the movie in some form. Sorry, couldn't help it, because it's a good way for me to conciliate the two. :)

[AgentPat]

It's funny but I haven't seen yet a Welling Supes manip that has him smiling. All of them show him in a stern, serious pose. I wish I had the time to make one manip that shows him relaxed and smiling. The picture would exude charisma.Hmm. Smiling shots, eh? Well, here's a few semi-recent ones in character for the helluvit. Anybody feel like maniping 'em, knock yourselves out.

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/facade6.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/mortal7.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hidden11.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/lexmas2.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/lexmas3.jpg


Actually, the whole smiling thing is an interesting point to ponder. In S:TM, Reeve portrayed diametrically opposed personas in order to make the Clark/Superman deception more believable for the audience. It worked very well, even if his Clark was a complete goof ball. Welling's Clark is more like Reeve's Superman, minus the angst of course LOL. Reeve's version of Clark doesn't exist in SV, save for one or two silly instances (Clark putting on his tie crooked in Commencement, or his accident prone moments in Hidden - albeit while human - stubbing his toe, knocking over the statue, etc.) Reeve's Clark smiled a lot. His Superman however was more stern and determined looking, though he did have moments where he smiled. Sound familiar? (Look up)

This might have a lot to do with why many SV fans already see the Superman in Welling's Clark. Quite simply, SV's Clark ACTS like Superman. B8 summed it up nicely...

He does pull off that "I'm really an understanding guy, but if you mess with my city I'll punch you into next year" looks doesn't he. Very Supermanly in the Reeve sense. Strong looking, yet kindly.Supes' is stern and bullheaded, but there's a kindness in the eyes that's comforting. Yeah, there is a certain level of subjectivity to it, but there's definitely something palpable there. And while Welling's expressions run the Superman gamut, the proof is in a completely expressionless face because you still see Superman in the eyes and overall demeanor. The ability to just BE the character w/o making any special effort to "look" the character (through facial expressions, poses or costuming - whatever) is a HUGE part of buying into the fantasy for me...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/aqua7b.jpg


The latest "fad" now seems to be that fans need to have certain reference points in order to connect the dots. It's a form of reality check. My reality check is right there. ^

Do we need to see an \S/ shield on his chest or him wearing colorful duds to recognize the character? No.
Do we need to see him catching a car (or throwing one) like it was a beach ball to recognize the character? No.
Do we even need to see him flying to recognize the character? NO!

He just is.

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/superman3.gif