Who will Lead the X-Men after Xavier's passing?

[TheWeatherMan]

If/when Xavier is killed off in X3, where will the franchise go in regards to leadership? I am a huge Storm fan, however, I prefer Xavier's leadership over anyone else because he brings neutrality to the X-Men and his presence demands respect (not-to-say anyone else doesn't). It’s as if he validates the X-Men Team. So, where will they venture in regards to leader/mentor of the X-Men? Will they turn to Storm (Ororo Monroe, Weather Goddess and a mother figure to many of the X-Men) or Cyclops (Scott Summers, a great, tactical leader who is a little stiff at times, but gets the job done)? If rumors/reports are true, Cyclops will be killed off as well… taking that into consideration, who would then be fit to lead in the X-Men movie franchise?

This is not a trick question; no answer is the final or definite answer. However, how well you present your argument is the key.

[cookiva]

This isnt very "spoiler" like, so we best make this short and simple before it gets deleted.

Cyke.

[Intheknow101]

Cyclops. If it's leading, he's the best there is at he does. As he's already been presented as a leader in the past 2 films, its logical that he would continue. Especially that talk with Xavier in X1, when Xavier is knocked out.

[Electrix]

It'll probably be Storm and Wolverine....

[The Original Bamfer]

I have a good guess that Cyke won't die... and if he does, he'll come back... so...

1. Cyclops
2. Storm (If Cyclops leaves)

[S7ilver]

Cyclops isn't going to have much of a role at all in X3 and since Halle and Hugh are the biggest stars in the series they'll probably take charge

[The Original Bamfer]

I think Ratner made some big alterations since the script review. I wouldn't be surprised if Cyke had an ensemble-sized part. Ratner seems to be a big fan of the X-men, I don't think he'd let the story of the Phoenix go without the emotion of Scott.

[Intheknow101]

I think Ratner made some big alterations since the script review. I wouldn't be surprised if Cyke had an ensemble-sized part. Ratner seems to be a big fan of the X-men, I don't think he'd let the story of the Phoenix go without the emotion of Scott.

I hope so, because the only one who seemed close or had some sort of connection to Jean and there fore would have good emotional scenes, would be Wolverine, Cyclops and Xavier.

[Electrix]

Storm knows Jean quite well..

[Intheknow101]

I never got anything from them but coworkers.

Scott, Logan and Xavier all have more of an emotional connection with her. One is her boyfriend, the other is her unrequited love, and the last is like a father figure and mentor. All would have more impactful scenes, so I hope script changes were made to accomadate Cyke as Bamfer said.

[TheWeatherMan]

This isnt very "spoiler" like, so we best make this short and simple before it gets deleted.

Cyke.

I would say it is considering the fact that Xavier is said to die in the film (SPOILER) who would lead? If Xavier and possibly Cyke dying in the film isn't a spoiler... please correct me.


Cyclops. If it's leading, he's the best there is at he does. As he's already been presented as a leader in the past 2 films, its logical that he would continue. Especially that talk with Xavier in X1, when Xavier is knocked out.

:up: His scene with the professor was very short, but clear in X1, and he has always been a good leader in my book...

[The Original Bamfer]

In X2, Jean and Storm seemed quite like friends.

[Intheknow101]

In X2, Jean and Storm seemed quite like friends.

But its so underdeveloped. What I'm saying is unless they want to devote screen time to establishing a more solid connection, they should use the strongest connections already present. And unless Cyke dies, why wouldn't he be one of the key players, effected the most, and with the most to gain or lose from Jean's return? Same with Logan and X.

[S7ilver]

I never got anything from them but coworkers.

Scott, Logan and Xavier all have more of an emotional connection with her. One is her boyfriend, the other is her unrequited love, and the last is like a father figure and mentor. All would have more impactful scenes, so I hope script changes were made to accomadate Cyke as Bamfer said.
Storm and Jean think of each other as sisters, more of a connection then Wolverine for sure although I agree with you if you're talking about them in the movies, Storm barely shed a tear when Jean died

[TheWeatherMan]

I never got anything from them but coworkers.

Scott, Logan and Xavier all have more of an emotional connection with her. One is her boyfriend, the other is her unrequited love, and the last is like a father figure and mentor. All would have more impactful scenes, so I hope script changes were made to accomadate Cyke as Bamfer said.

That was a big problem for me... In the movies they were portrayed as co-workers and that barely scratched the surface of their relationship. Storm and Jean loved each other like sisters, but you would have never known by watching the films. Even after they spent the entire X2 film together... you would never know.

[TheWeatherMan]

Storm and Jean think of each other as sisters, more of a connection then Wolverine for sure although I agree with you if you're talking about them in the movies, Storm barely shed a tear when Jean died

Barely? I think she was more upset that she couldn't control the jet... lol (j/k). ;)

[S7ilver]

No, you're probably right lol You think she would've at least looked for Jean's body before flying away. It was probably too much trouble for her

[Intheknow101]

Storm and Jean think of each other as sisters, more of a connection then Wolverine for sure although I agree with you if you're talking about them in the movies, Storm barely shed a tear when Jean died

I know Jean and Storm are close in the comics, but since we're discussing the movie this hasn't really been shown like you state.

[TheWeatherMan]

No, you're probably right lol You think she would've at least looked for Jean's body before flying away. It was probably too much trouble for her

Just a tad...:rolleyes: they really misdirected that scene. More emotion from the other team would have been more realistic. But you know what... this made me think back to the episode in the 90's cartoon series when Morph was left behind and Storm waited until everyone left the plain before she started to cry. Maybe she needs to keep herself emotionally stable in order to keep the weather under control? If that was the case, they should have displayed it.

[weatherwitch]

As I wrote over on the other thread:
I know it's rumored that Patrick Stewart did not want to return to a fourth X-Men movie, and therefore, he and Cyclops and Magneto were going to be done in by the Phoenix. (source:AICN) In the comics, Xavier has undergone significant character changes, as have the rest of the X-Men, and if he were to die, the dream would carry on (as it has.) However, the movie-verse is still young. The characters still seem to be adjusting to their powers and the idea that they are hated and feared by "flatscans". As much as I love Storm, the Storm in the movie is far from ready to become the embodiment of Xavier's dream. Neither would have Cyclops been ready to step into Xavier's shoes. I think they will have a loophole somewhere, Xavier's psychic powers will protect him from decimation or atomization or whatever the heck is supposed to happen. I'd have a hard time buying anyone else as mentor in the movies at this point.
As for the emotional connection in the movies, I didn't feel any of the characters seemed particularly tied to one another. Possibly Logan as a protector-figure to Rogue, but I didn't get the impression of anyone's connection to each other. Jean and Scott seemed forced, as did Wolverine and Jean. It was awkward watching them together. Same with Kurt and Storm. Though it was a nice effort, they all appeared disconnected.

[HighVoltage]

Emma Frost A.K.A White Queen.:up::up::xmen::wolverine

[YAVANNA]

Who will lead? well for what the movies show, neither Logan or Ororo seem really ready to take the part and i'm quite sure that Cike won't be very much around (i'm not saying if he dies or not) since Jean isn't, and that seemed the main excuse to have him around. So i have to give my vote to Beast, we don't know what will be his part but sure he will be with the good guys, so he may be really good friend of Xavier and by Grammer's age he may have a part on command.
About relations between the xgroup Jean and Scott seemed cold to each other but showed, at least on his side real love, i take her reaction to Logan as a test on her side both of herself and of Scott's affections, i can't help feeling that the x2 kiss between Jean and Logan seemed really out of place and their realation seemed to cool down as if bobby where around and high at work, his reaction to her "death"was more of shock than any other thing and he was on conforting Scott more than grieving. ;)

[zanos]

I think Ratner made some big alterations since the script review. I wouldn't be surprised if Cyke had an ensemble-sized part. Ratner seems to be a big fan of the X-men, I don't think he'd let the story of the Phoenix go without the emotion of Scott.

Besides the fanboys here who even gives a crap about Scott Summers? Singer spent all of two seconds developing his character.

[borinquenknight]

Cykes is a natural leader. He's played the role of field leader in X1. I think that this would give him the opportunity to step up.

[cookiva]

I would say it is considering the fact that Xavier is said to die in the film (SPOILER) who would lead? If Xavier and possibly Cyke dying in the film isn't a spoiler... please correct me.

Who said Xaivier was dying???? That was a rumor in that was in the AICN script review, much of which has been changed. We cant take everything we hear *cough* emma frost *cough* as the truth. This should be in the sequels section, as it is about the next few films, and who should be the leader.

[aaron]

i think...weathermans mom will lead

[TheWeatherMan]

Who said Xaivier was dying???? That was a rumor in that was in the AICN script review, much of which has been changed. We cant take everything we hear *cough* emma frost *cough* as the truth. This should be in the sequels section, as it is about the next few films, and who should be the leader.

Thanks for the two cents... Maybe the moderators can move it to the other thread if that is the case. However, since these possible "rumors" take place in X3 and the characters we are talking about are in X3, I would think this thread would be fine here. Posting something like this in any other "non-spoiler" section would "spoil" the third firm for other fans. So please let it rest. Let the moderators do their jobs and you go and find yours.

[TheWeatherMan]

i think...weathermans mom will lead

I heard your mom was looking for a gig, how about you help her apply while we try to have a conversation... any others? :D

[TheWeatherMan]

Who will lead? well for what the movies show, neither Logan or Ororo seem really ready to take the part and i'm quite sure that Cike won't be very much around (i'm not saying if he dies or not) since Jean isn't, and that seemed the main excuse to have him around. So i have to give my vote to Beast, we don't know what will be his part but sure he will be with the good guys, so he may be really good friend of Xavier and by Grammer's age he may have a part on command.
About relations between the xgroup Jean and Scott seemed cold to each other but showed, at least on his side real love, i take her reaction to Logan as a test on her side both of herself and of Scott's affections, i can't help feeling that the x2 kiss between Jean and Logan seemed really out of place and their realation seemed to cool down as if bobby where around and high at work, his reaction to her "death"was more of shock than any other thing and he was on conforting Scott more than grieving. ;)

I honestly never thought of Beast. But he would definately be someone to consider.

[Supreme Power]

Um, I really hope Prof. X doesn't die. If he does I hope they bring him back some way.

[cookiva]

If professor X dies, then I doubt we will see an X4. People dont understand that they will not make an Xmen movie without some key characters, one of who is Prof. X. Magneto can hold his own movie, Wolvie can as well. The X-Kids film will probably be Colossus, Iceman, Rogue.....other characters that we have seen already, maybe even Gambit. These are all characters who could carry part or all of a film. No Professor X, no X4.

[Supreme Power]

Exactly. And I for one would like to see an X4 sooner rather than later.

[MoPlaYa43]

I wonder if Kelsey Grammer would come back for a X4 movie?? :xmen:

[Supreme Power]

Hopefully so.

[TheWeatherMan]

Um, I really hope Prof. X doesn't die. If he does I hope they bring him back some way.

This is my wish as well. As Cookiva stated, he is a key character and I don't know if they're planning on NOT making an X4 or not, but if they are, they need to think ahead because it would feel empty without him. However, if Kelsey comes back - considering his role is established correctly, I think they would probably try to pull him into a leadership role.

[cookiva]

This is my wish as well. As Cookiva stated, he is a key character and I don't know if they're planning on NOT making an X4 or not, but if they are, they need to think ahead because it would feel empty without him. However, if Kelsey comes back - considering his role is established correctly, I think they would probably try to pull him into a leadership role.

If they hadnt gone with the Pheonix plot line early in the series, I could see Jean being the leader.

[Red X]

Who will Lead the X-Men after Xavier's passing?

Storm, mainly because Berry wanted a bigger role.

[Electrix]

Well...


Jean wont be in a fit state to lead
Wolverine has only been there a few weeks so he shouldnt really
Cyclops could although I doubt it in this film
Storm is the most likely choice...

[GothicPowerMix1]

Well...

Jean wont be in a fit state to lead
Wolverine has only been there a few weeks so he shouldnt really
Cyclops could although I doubt it in this film
Storm is the most likely choice...

How do we know Jean won't be alive at the end of X3 ? ? ?

& plus its never been 100 % Confirmed Xavier dies

Then again if Jean is alive at the end of the Film I can see Her & Cyclops taking off for a bit at the end of the Movie. After everything that has happened at least Jean would need a Vacation :p

You know coming back from the dead & trying to kill all your friends & the people that love ya can be quite the work out

Time will tell if Xavier dies & if he does better be going out with a Bang

[cookiva]

Not only should Wolverine not lead because he hasnt been there long enough, who knows when he will up and go! I say that it will probably be Storm.

[Electrix]

How do we know Jean won't be alive at the end of X3 ? ? ?

& plus its never been 100 % Confirmed Xavier dies

Then again if Jean is alive at the end of the Film I can see Her & Cyclops taking off for a bit at the end of the Movie. After everything that has happened at least Jean would need a Vacation :p

You know coming back from the dead & trying to kill all your friends & the people that love ya can be quite the work out

Time will tell if Xavier dies & if he does better be going out with a Bang

Well after what Jean has gone through, plus the death of Xavier....i'd doubt she's want to do ANYTHING for a good few months :D

Nevermind run a whole school and lead a whole team of mutants...

[GothicPowerMix1]

Well after what Jean has gone through, plus the death of Xavier....i'd doubt she's want to do ANYTHING for a good few months :D


Exactly why I said her & Cyclops will probably want to go on Vacation & leave for a bit like Wolverine did at the end of X1

:up:

& it has still NEVER been 100 % Confirmed that Xavier dies

[Electrix]

Thats if Cyclops is still alive to go away....

[GothicPowerMix1]

Thats if Cyclops is still alive to go away....

Never been 100 % confirmed that he dies either


ALWAYS believe it when you SEE IT not when you "read it"

[cookiva]

Ppl are believing everything that the AICN script said! We have a new director now! One who will respect the story, and therefore, will most likely keep Cyke in!

[GothicPowerMix1]

I bet FOX really hates AICN for reviewing that "Idea, Draft"

[Electrix]

AICN has been right with a few things...

Mystique being injected
Magneto breaking into prison
Storm and Wolverine relationship
Xavier and Magneto visiting Jeans house

[cookiva]

AICN has been right with a few things...

Mystique being injected
Magneto breaking into prison
Storm and Wolverine relationship
Xavier and Magneto visiting Jeans house

But those arent things that will pack the emotional power that the Cyclops/Phoenix relationship would.

[GothicPowerMix1]

But those arent things that will pack the emotional power that the Cyclops/Phoenix relationship would.

& also consider we have heard NEXT TO NOTHING when it comes to those 2 Characters

[cookiva]

& also consider we have heard NEXT TO NOTHING when it comes to those 2 Characters

We havent heard much about any character.

[GothicPowerMix1]

We havent heard much about any character.


Not quite theres been a few things here & there with Characters like Wolverine / Storm etc but NOTHING with Cyclops & Storm

[Electrix]

We havent seen or heard much about anything and they have been filming this thing for nearly 5 months....

[cookiva]

Not quite theres been a few things here & there with Characters like Wolverine / Storm etc but NOTHING with Cyclops & Storm

Again, most of the Wolverine/ Storm relationship was in the AICN script, and we have heard nothing about it since. Right now, we are not in a position to be making giant assumptions like people dying.

[cookiva]

We havent seen or heard much about anything and they have been filming this thing for nearly 5 months....

I would rather not see anything and have it be a great movie, full of surprises, rather than see every character now, and it turn out to be crap.

[Electrix]

We will see things gradually....

[cookiva]

We just cant assume things will happen, or we could be seriously dissapointed.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Some will just learn the hard way

[hulkamania85]

If Professor X dies then that's the end of the movie franchise anyway as far as I'm concerned.

[Spellcheck]

yes

[CapBeerCino]

There's one man for the job! :cyclops:

Ppl are believing everything that the AICN script said! We have a new director now! One who will respect the story, and therefore, will most likely keep Cyke in!

Wish you are right. But I think Fox has it's say about cyclops as well. SR you know...

[tonytr1687]

I think some ppl here are in denial. True, there is a good chance many things will be changed from that early AICN draft, but there is also a good chance many of the plot points we saw in that will remain in the finished film. Just look at what that review has been right about so far: Mystique being injected with the cure, Magneto breaking into a prison and destroying the GG Bridge, the scenes at Jean's old house, and since that review their have been hints (can't remember who said it) about a growing relationship between Wolvie and Storm (God forbid). Soon or later all of you have to face the facts, it is very likely that both Xavier and Cyclops will be killed. Xavier b/c of the confirmation of those scenes at Jean's house, and Cyclops b/c we havn't heard anything about him or anything about Marsden filming. From the set reports and few stills we've been given, Cyke is noticeably absent from everything. And don't say we havn't heard anything about anyone else either, b/c we've read plenty about Xavier, Jean, Storm, Logan, Magneto, Mystique, and Juggernaut being present in scenes that have been filmed. Heck, we've heard more about Stacy X then we have Cyclops.

Don't get me wrong though, I pray to God that all of you are right and that Cyke lives. I don't mind Xavier dying too much, but Cyke is the one who should carry on the legacy along with Jean and become headmaster of the school (just like he implied in X1 while talking to the unconscious professor). I'm just saying you should be prepared for the possibility and that it's a very good possibility. Ratner may have passion for this project, but he's not exactly the greatest director out there, I mean just look at his track record with critics. It doesn't help that his last film After the Sunset was considered his worst. But I hope I'm proven wrong and he can deliver something on par with Singer, because anything that leans toward the sorta Red-Dragon mere decency will be a disappointment in my eyes. The X-films so far have ranged from good to great, I don't want the conclusion to the trilogy to be merely 'decent.'

[cookiva]

There's one man for the job! :cyclops:



Wish you are right. But I think Fox has it's say about cyclops as well. SR you know...

They said that Cyke might die when it appeared as if he was going to film SR longer, cutting into filming time for X3. When he said that wouldnt happen, and Ratner was signed on, we never heard anymore rumblings about his death.

[green]

If/when Xavier is killed off in X3, where will the franchise go in regards to leadership? I am a huge Storm fan, however, I prefer Xavier's leadership over anyone else because he brings neutrality to the X-Men and his presence demands respect (not-to-say anyone else doesn't). It’s as if he validates the X-Men Team. So, where will they venture in regards to leader/mentor of the X-Men? Will they turn to Storm (Ororo Monroe, Weather Goddess and a mother figure to many of the X-Men) or Cyclops (Scott Summers, a great, tactical leader who is a little stiff at times, but gets the job done)? If rumors/reports are true, Cyclops will be killed off as well… taking that into consideration, who would then be fit to lead in the X-Men movie franchise?

This is not a trick question; no answer is the final or definite answer. However, how well you present your argument is the key.


Well the way I see it is there will be no leader for the franchise after Xavier dies. Instead of a team movie we are getting spin-offs : Wolverine, Magneto, Young X-Men. All of those movies could very well be done without him.

[cookiva]

I think some ppl here are in denial. True, there is a good chance many things will be changed from that early AICN draft, but there is also a good chance many of the plot points we saw in that will remain in the finished film. Just look at what that review has been right about so far: Mystique being injected with the cure, Magneto breaking into a prison and destroying the GG Bridge, the scenes at Jean's old house, and since that review their have been hints (can't remember who said it) about a growing relationship between Wolvie and Storm (God forbid). Soon or later all of you have to face the facts, it is very likely that both Xavier and Cyclops will be killed. Xavier b/c of the confirmation of those scenes at Jean's house, and Cyclops b/c we havn't heard anything about him or anything about Marsden filming. From the set reports and few stills we've been given, Cyke is noticeably absent from everything. And don't say we havn't heard anything about anyone else either, b/c we've read plenty about Xavier, Jean, Storm, Logan, Magneto, Mystique, and Juggernaut being present in scenes that have been filmed. Heck, we've heard more about Stacy X then we have Cyclops.

Don't get me wrong though, I pray to God that all of you are right and that Cyke lives. I don't mind Xavier dying too much, but Cyke is the one who should carry on the legacy along with Jean and become headmaster of the school (just like he implied in X1 while talking to the unconscious professor). I'm just saying you should be prepared for the possibility and that it's a very good possibility. Ratner may have passion for this project, but he's not exactly the greatest director out there, I mean just look at his track record with critics. It doesn't help that his last film After the Sunset was considered his worst. But I hope I'm proven wrong and he can deliver something on par with Singer, because anything that leans toward the sorta Red-Dragon mere decency will be a disappointment in my eyes. The X-films so far have ranged from good to great, I don't want the conclusion to the trilogy to be merely 'decent.'

I havent heard anything about Mystique getting the cure, except for the AICN script. I myself am an optimist, and it appears as if everyone here is not. They are planning for characters to die, which I doubt will happen. Singer was not a fan of the comics, and he treated characters wrong, setting them up to "die". Ratner loves the Xmen, and he will respect the characters.

[tonytr1687]

They said that Cyke might die when it appeared as if he was going to film SR longer, cutting into filming time for X3. When he said that wouldnt happen, and Ratner was signed on, we never heard anymore rumblings about his death.

Except...he did film SR longer. Just recently the whole SR cast and crew got back together to shoot more scenes.

[tonytr1687]

Well the way I see it is there will be no leader for the franchise after Xavier dies. Instead of a team movie we are getting spin-offs : Wolverine, Magneto, Young X-Men. All of those movies could very well be done without him.

I'd rather see more team movies than a bunch of spinoffs, no matter how good they are.

[cookiva]

Except...he did film SR longer. Just recently the whole SR cast and crew got back together to shoot more scenes.

Yes, and X3 will be filming late as well, to fit around peoples schedules. They will continue filming past christmas.

[green]

I'd rather see more team movies than a bunch of spinoffs, no matter how good they are.


I agree and disagree. I love the team format but its a costly way to go when making movies especially like this, also characters always get shafted in ensemble pieces. Spin-offs are a great way to expand on the character without having to include so many other characers. Wolverine and Magneto Im looking forward to seeing, Young X-Men (if the actresses mentioned are seriously in contention for roles ) not so much.

[LittleMissVixen]

I have a hard time believing Prof. X will actually die…but if he does, I think Cyclops & Jean Grey will be the leaders in the next set of films, or a “Young X-Men” spin-off.

[cookiva]

Cyke and Jean would be great leaders for the "Young Xmen" spinoff.

[CapBeerCino]

They said that Cyke might die when it appeared as if he was going to film SR longer, cutting into filming time for X3. When he said that wouldnt happen, and Ratner was signed on, we never heard anymore rumblings about his death.

I dont think schedules were the reason. I think him doing a dc movie, a competition to x-3 - that's the reason. I cant think of any other reason to kill cyke. He's one of those characters even a non-fan would recognize (Like Wolvie n' Storm) and the third movie could be his as far as the storyline...

[tonytr1687]

I havent heard anything about Mystique getting the cure, except for the AICN script. I myself am an optimist, and it appears as if everyone here is not. They are planning for characters to die, which I doubt will happen. Singer was not a fan of the comics, and he treated characters wrong, setting them up to "die". Ratner loves the Xmen, and he will respect the characters.

There's production art in the First Look video that will be on the F4 DVD that shows Mystique being held against her will and injected with something. I'm an optimist myself, I just chose not to ignore all the signs. Singer IS a fan of the comics, not at first when he signed onto X1, but after finishing the movie and its sequel he said he's become a big fan. How he treated the characters is arguable, but there is no doubt that he delivered good films, at least in the eyes of the general public. And how did he set them up to die? He did no such thing, and if anything he set Cyke up to have a bigger role in X3. I never said Ratner didn't have passion for the comics, but that doesn't always equal a good movie. Just look at Mark Steven Johnson. He was a HUGE fan of Daredevil, but he ended up delivering a mediocre film.

[LittleMissVixen]

Cyke and Jean would be great leaders for the "Young Xmen" spinoff.

yeah, and cost effective ;)

[tonytr1687]

I dont think schedules were the reason. I think him doing a dc movie, a competition to x-3 - that's the reason. I cant think of any other reason to kill cyke. He's one of those characters even a non-fan would recognize (Like Wolvie n' Storm) and the third movie could be his as far as the storyline...

Very true. And therefore shows the petty reasons behind his character possibly getting shafted.

[cookiva]

Very true. And therefore shows the petty reasons behind his character possibly getting shafted.

Key word= POSSIBLY

I dont want to repeat myself too much, but our director loves these characters, and will respect them.

[tonytr1687]

I agree and disagree. I love the team format but its a costly way to go when making movies especially like this, also characters always get shafted in ensemble pieces. Spin-offs are a great way to expand on the character without having to include so many other characers. Wolverine and Magneto Im looking forward to seeing, Young X-Men (if the actresses mentioned are seriously in contention for roles ) not so much.

They may be costly, but is that really our problem? The X-men films so far have actually cost much less than other superhero flicks. X1 cost 75 and X2 cost 110. Whereas you look at Spider-man and the Hulk which both cost 135, Batman Begins which cost 150, and Spider-man 2 which cost 200. As far as characters getting shafted, I think if they chose to go beyond X3 and Xavier has died, Cyke and Jean can take over the school. And then Storm and Logan can leave to go off on their own, thus making way for other characters to shine. It's not that hard to devote quality time to many characters, just look at Lord of the Rings. IMO a second trilogy is where Cyclops could truly have a chance to shine, him and Gambit could be front and center.

I will admit I'm looking forward to the solo Wolverine flick, but not as much as I am more sequels. We've seen enough of Wolvie and Magneto in these first few movies so I'm not exactly jumping at the bit to see whole films devoted to just them, especially Magneto. Wolverine at least has the added benefit of expanding on characters like Sabretooth and Deathstrike, and possibly introducing Omega Red if he hasnt been already.

[Weadazoid]

Personaly I would like to see maneto take over... take the mutants underground so to speak, not so much because of a change of heart as a change in situation.

I think Magneto will see the potncila in all the X men and refuse to simply let them go, He ALWAYS respected Xavier, it wasn't real...hate, so I doubt he hates the X Men.

[tonytr1687]

Key word= POSSIBLY

I dont want to repeat myself too much, but our director loves these characters, and will respect them.

I know he loves the characters, despite the fact I can't remember the quote from him that spelled that out, but it's the studio and producers I'm worried about. Ratner isn't exactly top-dog in Hollywood and therefore it would be very easy for the studio to try to push some creative say on him. We've already gotten a little wind of this considering Arad and Winter are the ones doing most of the talking and not Ratner.

I just think, at this point, all the signs point more towards Cyclops dying then not dying. Not to mention Arad's comment in the video that Wolvie will have to be a leader, which is something Cyke should be doing.

[cookiva]

I know he loves the characters, despite the fact I can't remember the quote from him that spelled that out, but it's the studio and producers I'm worried about. Ratner isn't exactly top-dog in Hollywood and therefore it would be very easy for the studio to try to push some creative say on him. We've already gotten a little wind of this considering Arad and Winter are the ones doing most of the talking and not Ratner.

I just think, at this point, all the signs point more towards Cyclops dying then not dying. Not to mention Arad's comment in the video that Wolvie will have to be a leader, which is something Cyke should be doing.

Well, if he does die, and thats a big if, we can agree that it wont be ala AICN script death. It will be later in the film, maybe at the end.

If Cyke dies, Jean wont come back.

[green]

They may be costly, but is that really our problem?
No it's Fox Studios who are notoriously cheap.

The X-men films so far have actually cost much less than other superhero flicks. X1 cost 75 and X2 cost 110. Whereas you look at Spider-man and the Hulk which both cost 135, Batman Begins which cost 150, and Spider-man 2 which cost 200. As far as characters getting shafted, I think if they chose to go beyond X3 and Xavier has died, Cyke and Jean can take over the school. And then Storm and Logan can leave to go off on their own, thus making way for other characters to shine. It's not that hard to devote quality time to many characters, just look at Lord of the Rings. IMO a second trilogy is where Cyclops could truly have a chance to shine, him and Gambit could be front and center.

I will admit I'm looking forward to the solo Wolverine flick, but not as much as I am more sequels. We've seen enough of Wolvie and Magneto in these first few movies so I'm not exactly jumping at the bit to see whole films devoted to just them, especially Magneto. Wolverine at least has the added benefit of expanding on characters like Sabretooth and Deathstrike, and possibly introducing Omega Red if he hasnt been already.

I still agree with you I would love an X4 over spin offs, I just dont see it happening studio wise, unless X3 is an incredible success, even then I think they are still going to try and go with the spin offs.

[Electrix]

The budget is around $200 million. They arnt that cheap...

[GothicPowerMix1]

I wish the X-Men TAS NEVER ended the way it did. It would have been interesting to see Magneto in charge :p

[cookiva]

I wish the X-Men TAS NEVER ended the way it did. It would have been interesting to see Magneto in charge :p

You know, I loved the TAS, but not many people who read comics appreciate it. They say that it didnt follow the comics enough, but you know what? Its a different interpretation. Same with the films!!!

Ya, I wish Magneto had atleast 5 episodes as the leader.

[LittleMissVixen]

You know, I loved the TAS, but not many people who read comics appreciate it. They say that it didnt follow the comics enough, but you know what? Its a different interpretation. Same with the films!!!

Ya, I wish Magneto had atleast 5 episodes as the leader.

I loved X:TAS. I bought the complete series (plus pryde of the x-men) on DVD a couple months ago)

[cookiva]

I loved X:TAS. I bought the complete series (plus pryde of the x-men) on DVD a couple months ago)

I have it too. I got mine on ebay. Pryde of the Xmen is hilarious! I love Wolverines accent!!!

[tonytr1687]

No it's Fox Studios who are notoriously cheap.



I still agree with you I would love an X4 over spin offs, I just dont see it happening studio wise, unless X3 is an incredible success, even then I think they are still going to try and go with the spin offs.

Well I'm not arguing if they will or won't make an X4 over spinoffs, I'm arguing if they should. And I think they should, there's plenty of stories and plenty of characters that can be fleshed out. But you're right, as far as if it will actually happen, most likely we'll see spinoffs. But who knows, the producers havn't ruled out an X4 and beyond. But this sorta spinoff mindset is exactly why Gambit should have been in X3, because it was his last chance. Or at least his last chance to be featured in a team movie, since it's possible he could be in a Young X-men spinoff, but that's not how it should be.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Hopefully seeing how they released the complete Fantastic Four Animated Series on DVD before the Movie came out the X-Men TAS will be out on DVD before X3 & same with Spider-Man

Heck they already have Batman TAS on DVD & Superman TAS

[cookiva]

Well I'm not arguing if they will or won't make an X4 over spinoffs, I'm arguing if they should. And I think they should, there's plenty of stories and plenty of characters that can be fleshed out. But you're right, as far as if it will actually happen, most likely we'll see spinoffs. But who knows, the producers havn't ruled out an X4 and beyond. But this sorta spinoff mindset is exactly why Gambit should have been in X3, because it was his last chance. Or at least his last chance to be featured in a team movie, since it's possible he could be in a Young X-men spinoff, but that's not how it should be.

By "young", they dont mean preschoolers. They mean 15-20 year olds, therefore, pretty much what we have now. Gambit could be put in as a 20 year old.

[TheWeatherMan]

If they hadnt gone with the Pheonix plot line early in the series, I could see Jean being the leader.

I think they rushed to the Phoenix plot as well... if they were going to do it they should have done it right and had the cast film 2-3 movies back-to0back ala "Lord of The Rings" and "The Matrix" sequels.

[TheWeatherMan]

Never been 100 % confirmed that he dies either


ALWAYS believe it when you SEE IT not when you "read it"

I don't believe this 100%, but I am no ruling it out either. That is why my orginial question starts with "If/when Xavier is killed off". I am hoping that they don't make that move.

[Electrix]

I think that if Xavier dies towards the end then they wont really need a leader...

[TheWeatherMan]

I think that if Xavier dies towards the end then they wont really need a leader...

Probably not in X3 but if (BIG IF) they go for X4, they will need one. IMO.

[kevinpenni]

If he dies, then Storm will probably take over

[Supreme Power]

You know, I loved the TAS, but not many people who read comics appreciate it. They say that it didnt follow the comics enough, but you know what? Its a different interpretation. Same with the films!!!

Ya, I wish Magneto had atleast 5 episodes as the leader.

Yeah I grew up on the animated series. How I first heard of X-men.

[EnSabahNur]

Blob!

[N_z0]

I havent heard anything about Mystique getting the cure, except for the AICN script. I myself am an optimist, and it appears as if everyone here is not. They are planning for characters to die, which I doubt will happen. Singer was not a fan of the comics, and he treated characters wrong, setting them up to "die". Ratner loves the Xmen, and he will respect the characters.

Geez...the thread is asking everyone's opinion IF Xavier passes away. It might not have been reflected on the title but it has been mentioned more than enough times in various posts...IF Xavier dies, who should lead the team? What's the harm in answering the question hypothetically?

LOL on the "Singer set these characters up to die"

Also there's a difference between being optimistic (a think a number of us here are cautiously optimistic about this film) and, i can't think of a better term for it but, blind love.

[TheWeatherMan]

Geez...the thread is asking everyone's opinion IF Xavier passes away. It might not have been reflected on the title but it has been mentioned more than enough times in various posts...IF Xavier dies, who should lead the team? What's the harm in answering the question hypothetically?

LOL on the "Singer set these characters up to die"

Also there's a difference between being optimistic (a think a number of us here are cautiously optimistic about this film) and, i can't think of a better term for it but, blind love.

Thank you... :D

[GNR]

Magneto.

[cookiva]

Geez...the thread is asking everyone's opinion IF Xavier passes away. It might not have been reflected on the title but it has been mentioned more than enough times in various posts...IF Xavier dies, who should lead the team? What's the harm in answering the question hypothetically?

LOL on the "Singer set these characters up to die"

Also there's a difference between being optimistic (a think a number of us here are cautiously optimistic about this film) and, i can't think of a better term for it but, blind love.

Im just saying that we are placing our trust in a site that claimed that Brett Ratner was going to make Supermans powers come from his costume. AICN is the least reliable source. I even trust IMDB more!!!

[DemonicAngel]

i dont want to read all 4 pages of this so i am if this has been said just ignore this but in the avi arad thingy on f4 he said wolverine would be doing the one thing he does not want to do the most and that is lead, stupid in my mind cause cyke should lead but hey, what can i do.

[OutcryX]

Well with Cyke possibly dying and Jean off doing Phoenix biz.....that leaves who exactly to lead? Prof X, Storm and Wovlerine all being leaders....that leaves the x-kids to lead into battle? Kitty, Rogue, Iceman, Colossus and....who else? I really think that all the others mention will be cameos only...oh i forgot..Angel and Beast will be here too....

[The Original Bamfer]

Meh, Cyke dying? Psh! Hahahaha...

[OutcryX]

God I hope he doesn't....even if he doesn't tho...Wolverine is the team leader? wtf?

[The Original Bamfer]

No... I think Avi as implying he'd glue the team back together and keep them as just that - a team...

[OutcryX]

ahh...ok...that'll work..i guess

[Yellow Cyclone]

i've said it before, and i'll say it again.....if they kill of xavier and try to make an x4 it'll be dumb

[The Original Bamfer]

Not necessarily... Xavier has abscense a lot in the comics... its not that unheard of.

[Yellow Cyclone]

no of course not, b/c the comics are comics.....but how many times in the comics does he come back?

exactly.


this is film we're talking about here...if you kill off a character (especially in the x-series which prides itself on being reality-based), he/she will be expected to STAY dead by the casual audience

however i think it'd be ok, if they brought back stewart for an AI program like an upgraded cerebro or something created by beast

[borinquenknight]

Cykes is the only option for team leader!

[N_z0]

Im just saying that we are placing our trust in a site that claimed that Brett Ratner was going to make Supermans powers come from his costume. AICN is the least reliable source. I even trust IMDB more!!!

You're being over dramatic.

AICN was the first to give us unofficially released shots of the X-men costumes way back in 1999/2000. From various set reports and spy pictures, it's been proven that some of the things mentioned in that draft from AICN has panned out. Obviously not all of the scenes that were enumerated will be what will be shown in the movie, as has been the case with the previous two films, this film is written and rewritten constantly as the shoot goes on.

Again, what's the harm in considering the possibility of that part of the draft being true? Afterall, this is the spoiler forum...where we discuss possible spoilers for the film, which isn't a whole lot right now.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Wow, interesting thread Weather Man! :up:

Here's my take on the situation: As far as the films are concerned, Scott is by far in the best position to take the reins of the team. James Marsden portrays the character in a respectable, "take-charge" manner--and it's convincing. He is a leader in all categories. So I would *prefer* him to take the mantle, with Storm as his right-hand woman.

However, if Scott is either (a) too emotionally distraught to lead after Jean's "death" or (b) killed off early, then Storm should step to the plate. Bryan did give her some leadership qualities in the 2nd and 3rd acts of X2, for she managed the team all the way to Alkali Lake, through the Dark Cerebro sequence, and rescuing the children and shutting down Professor X.

But my problem with movie Storm is that she is not imposing enough. We need an in-your-face Storm and thusfar the way Halle's character has been written (as well as her acting portrayal) it has all come across rather passive.

The only way a Storm/Wolverine co-leadership would work is if Storm makes the rules and Logan--who is more abrasive and tough--enforces them as her right-hand man.

[Yellow Cyclone]

^ no way in hell the audience will like to see wolverine as storm's *****

[Electrix]

As Storm's what?

I doubt the audience will object to Hugh and Halle getting it on....

Are you sure that isnt just your opinion?

[tonytr1687]

As Storm's what?

I doubt the audience will object to Hugh and Halle getting it on....

Are you sure that isnt just your opinion?

You're giving the audience way too little credit. People are smarter these days and expect more out of movies. So I'm sure if Wolvie and Storm get together they'll be like "WTF? Jean dies and now her friend is getting together with the guy that constantly lusted after her?" I only see little glamour-obsessed teenagers being glad with a relationship between them.

[S7ilver]

You're giving the audience way too little credit. People are smarter these days and expect more out of movies. So I'm sure if Wolvie and Storm get together they'll be like "WTF? Jean dies and now her friend is getting together with the guy that constantly lusted after her?" I only see little glamour-obsessed teenagers being glad with a relationship between them.
They might be a little confused or annoyed by it but I doubt they'll be angry

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Im pretty sure that after various producers comments about starting the Storm character 'from scratch' is that we will see the floaty, white eyed, "I am a godess of naturrrrrrrrreee!!!!!' Storm that some people seem to love, yes I am willing to bet that storm will have much much more ANGER and confidence in her this time around.

Wolverine can lead. He was very much an assertive leader making decisions (albeit not always rational ones) about the battle at the Statue of Liberty in X1, and also he lead the students to escape in X2 and he seems to have the respect of the younger ones, its just I can't help but wonder, would Pyro have flamed those cops if Cyclops was there?

With that said, Ill buy Scott in emotional turmoil, the movie scott is a little bit weaker than the comic one (Think the scene in X1 where Jean gets slimed by Toad, Cyke gets frustrated and say 'oh god' before finally deciding to blow the slime off with his beam, Yes, he loves Jean and so he is worried, but the leader that I believe Cyke should be, would be calm and rational and blow the slime off FIRST and then comfort Jean). We know that Cyke SHOULD lead the team, in fact this very topic was discussed in the first film, but we are also a little bit worried about his role in the third film as it seems he may be sidelined to expand the roles of the previously mentioned X-Men.

Jean Grey: Well, who knows what transformation Jean will go under in the third film? Although despite the idea that the leader of the X-Men was (possibly) once (one of) the greatest threat(s) the world has ever known I would much prefer to see Jean in charge of a Xavier and Cyclopsless X-Men than Wolverine or Storm. (Sorry Storm fans).

With that said I think X-Kid is the best choice to lead the team afterwards.

[LittleMissVixen]

You're giving the audience way too little credit. People are smarter these days and expect more out of movies. So I'm sure if Wolvie and Storm get together they'll be like "WTF? Jean dies and now her friend is getting together with the guy that constantly lusted after her?" I only see little glamour-obsessed teenagers being glad with a relationship between them.

Gezz...I think people would be more upset if Storm was playing house with Cyclops.

[tonytr1687]

Gezz...I think people would be more upset if Storm was playing house with Cyclops.

I'm not saying they'd be hella angry, but they'd be confused and probably wouldn't buy it at all.

[TheWeatherMan]

Gezz...I think people would be more upset if Storm was playing house with Cyclops.

Exactly. I think Wolverine pretty much got the fact the she chose Cyke in the end of the film "She chose you". Although I think he would drop a relationship with Storm in a minute to be with Jean, a relationship between Storm and Wolverine could work... it worked in the comics, why not explore it in the films? If Cyke, Xavier and Jean are not with the program after X3 and the franchise continues, I would think that they would explore Storm, Beast and Wolverine as leaders. Storm would definitely need to stay in the picture because she would then be the senior member of the crew, but Wolverine had definitely garnered respect throughout the school. I don't know what direction they're taking Beast in, in regards to character, but I am sure that Kelsey will add some leadership credibility to the character. :xmen:

[TheWeatherMan]

I'm not saying they'd be hella angry, but they'd be confused and probably wouldn't buy it at all.

I think they'd be OK tony. As long as the acting is on point, and its done right, they will be ok.

[the Firestarter]

i hope they don't kill off xavier in the film... but if they do i would like for cyclops to take over leadership of the team. it would make more sense for wolverine's absence in future films... and i really doubt halle berry would want to do any more than a cameo in subsequent films. with storm, xavier, and wolverine essentially gone from x4 it would allow greater development of scott & jean's relationship, and the roles of more periphery characters (i.e., beast, angel, and the younger mutants). it would be interesting to see how magneto might manipulate the situation to his advantage & it xavier's death might be a harbinger to the first appearance of sinister & later apocalype.

[deemar325]

Cyclops never had a chance in the movies, Wolverine's a cash cow for FOX and Hugh Jackman is know a megastar. While James Marsden is still pretty much a C-list actor and I'm sure FOX saw his loyalty to B.Singer as a betrayl with his role in 'Superman Returns'.
Cyke is deader than a doorknob. The future of the franchise for better or worse is in the hands of Hugh/Wolvie and Halle/Storm, and don't count on Patrick Stewart to be around for long. FOX has shown that he is not a major factor as far as sequels "kill him and make him a matyr" that's FOX's mindset.

In the end, it's no different than the comics with Wolverine taking over as far as marketing.:down :(

[TheWeatherMan]

Cyclops never had a chance in the movies, Wolverine's a cash cow for FOX and Hugh Jackman is know a megastar. While James Marsden is still pretty much a C-list actor and I'm sure FOX saw his loyalty to B.Singer as a betrayl with his role in 'Superman Returns'.
Cyke is deader than a doorknob. The future of the franchise for better or worse is in the hands of Hugh/Wolvie and Halle/Storm, and don't count on Patrick Stewart to be around for long. FOX has shown that he is not a major factor as far as sequels "kill him and make him a matyr" that's FOX's mindset.

In the end, it's no different than the comics with Wolverine taking over as far as marketing.:down :(

Scary... but possibly true! :(

[Lightning Strykez!]

You're giving the audience way too little credit. People are smarter these days and expect more out of movies. So I'm sure if Wolvie and Storm get together they'll be like "WTF? Jean dies and now her friend is getting together with the guy that constantly lusted after her?" I only see little glamour-obsessed teenagers being glad with a relationship between them.


You're right--people ARE smarter and studios know that. I seriously doubt that FOX would be so dumb to suddenly throw Storm and Logan together when they know full well the audiences will be lost.

I am not expecting them to be in some serious love-heavy relationship--if anything, X3 will simply show the beginning of a relationship between the two, with future films exploring the attraction.

[TheWeatherMan]

You're right--people ARE smarter and studios know that. I seriously doubt that FOX would be so dumb to suddenly throw Storm and Logan together when they know full well the audiences will be lost.

I am not expecting them to be in some serious love-heavy relationship--if anything, X3 will simply show the beginning of a relationship between the two, with future films exploring the attraction.

:up: :D

[Yellow Cyclone]

wolverine should always remain solo :o

[GNR]

Once again,Magneto.

[Angry Sentinel]

Cant believe this hasnt been said....


Cassandra Nova

[Electrix]

Who?

[cookiva]

Cant believe this hasnt been said....


Cassandra Nova

How?
Why?

Wait, wtf?

[Angry Sentinel]

Emma Frost A.K.A White Queen.:up::up::xmen::wolverine Considering the state of the comics, this is not entirely impossible.

[Angry Sentinel]

Who?

How?
Why?

Wait, wtf? sorry, I am feeling crazy today :up: :)

[cookiva]

sorry, I am feeling crazy today :up: :)

Hahaha, k. That was just as random as saying that Strong Guy would lead the Xmen.

[Angry Sentinel]

Hahaha, k. That was just as random as saying that Strong Guy would lead the Xmen. lol, if we were getting random, I would go with Blink, I just really like her, and wish clarice would return.

[cookiva]

Blink rules

[LittleMissVixen]

wolverine should always remain solo :o

considering he is a member of fifty-billion teams...he is no longer a loner.

[Angry Sentinel]

considering he is a member of fifty-billion teams...he is no longer a loner. Maybe he should hang out with Jamie Maddrox and give him a few pointers.

EMMA IS THE NEXT WOLVERINE!

[Yellow Cyclone]

i mean romantically


if storm shacks up with wolverine, i will walk out of the movie.....i could care less if the next scene had a zillion sentinals getting whomped on by every mutant and phoenix in uber firey glory


and if fox does decide to "martyrize" the professor, the team leader should either be cyke, BEAST (ppl seem to forget about him), or the darkhorse chance of magneto....

[newwaveboy87]

considering he is a member of fifty-billion teams...he is no longer a loner.
Wovie: well, after being on three X-Men teams, and off having my own solo adventures, a guys got to live a little.

[Octoberist]

i mean romantically


if storm shacks up with wolverine, i will walk out of the movie.....i could care less if the next scene had a zillion sentinals getting whomped on by every mutant and phoenix in uber firey glory


and if fox does decide to "martyrize" the professor, the team leader should either be cyke, BEAST (ppl seem to forget about him), or the darkhorse chance of magneto....

It would be really tacky if Logan goes for Storm. First off, they never hinted that the two had a 'thing' for each other. This is not real life it can happen out of the blue; you need some foreshadowing.


Second, Logan had a thing for Jean, who was with Cyclops, and now she's dead. For the narrative, Logan being with Storm does NOTHING FOR ME. NOTHING.

And yes, Cyclops SHOULD TAKE OVER IF PROF X. DIED. PERIOD. ENOUGH WITH STORM. I like her, but sorry, give Cyclops some credit where credit is due IN THE MOVIES (not the comics)

And if AND ONLY IF they had this so-called relationship, along with the demise of Cyclops, I wouldn't walk out. I would boo. I've never walked out of a movie before (I was tempted with Be Cool, along with my sleeping girlfriend)

[tonytr1687]

It would be really tacky if Logan goes for Storm. First off, they never hinted that the two had a 'thing' for each other. This is not real life it can happen out of the blue; you need some foreshadowing.


Second, Logan had a thing for Jean, who was with Cyclops, and now she's dead. For the narrative, Logan being with Storm does NOTHING FOR ME. NOTHING.

And yes, Cyclops SHOULD TAKE OVER IF PROF X. DIED. PERIOD. ENOUGH WITH STORM. I like her, but sorry, give Cyclops some credit where credit is due IN THE MOVIES (not the comics)

And if AND ONLY IF they had this so-called relationship, along with the demise of Cyclops, I wouldn't walk out. I would boo. I've never walked out of a movie before (I was tempted with Be Cool, along with my sleeping girlfriend)

Exactly. The only way I would accept something between the two of them is if they handle it tastefully. And by that I mean don't have the movie start off with them already romancing each other and shacking up. Just show hints of a growing relationship and then if they want to they can get romantic in future sequels. But even if they do it right, I just don't see the point. I know it was in the comics but even there I didn't like it. Their relationship would have no purpose in the films other than to get together two good-looking stars and bring in teenyboppers.

As far as who should lead if Xavier dies, it has to be Cyclops. They even forshadowed it in X1. He's the team leader and should continue to be such, but after the professor's death he's not just leader of the team but also leader of the school. And since Xavier was a telepath and they'd need someone to use Cerebro, Jean could be headmaster right beside him. It would be perfect b/c it would also allow the development and emphasis on Cyke that is lacking in these first 3 films. That is why Cyclops cannot die and why he should take over, so we can finally have some focus on him for once. Wolverine and Storm have had their time to shine. IMO they should be the ones to leave after X3. It would make sense too since we know Hugh and Halle are very busy these days and want to move on. Plus we'll be getting the Wolvie solo film so Logan would have to leave in order for that to take place (unless they make it in the past but I doubt it) Marsden and Famke however aren't in constant demand and would probably welcome more sequels. Wolvie and Storm leaving would make way for other characters to be developed and for Gambit to take his rightful place as a main character (the loner role left vacant by Logan) in future sequels.

[Electrix]

I'll be their damn leader if they are all too emotionally distraught, sexed up, dead or crazy!

[LittleMissVixen]

Wovie: well, after being on three X-Men teams, and off having my own solo adventures, a guys got to live a little.

Dont forget he is also an Avenger too ;)

[newwaveboy87]

Dont forget he is also an Avenger too ;)
that was the joke...

Cyclops: Wolverine when did you join the Avengers?
then Wolverine responds with that

its from those flash cartoons.

[TheWeatherMan]

I'll be their damn leader if they are all too emotionally distraught, sexed up, dead or crazy!

If it was only that easy...

[Triligors]

Cyclops and Storm

It was brought up that they were the FIRST students of the Institute and have been with Xavier since the beginning. So, if it ever came up it was directly fall into their hands.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Cyclops and Storm

It was brought up that they were the FIRST students of the Institute and have been with Xavier since the beginning. So, if it ever came up it was directly fall into their hands.

Exactly right. X1 made it pretty clear that Scott, Storm and Jean were among Xavier's first students. And they are the only adult faculty members. With Jead dead and Scott AWOL the leadership role should naturally go to Storm, especially since she's the Head teacher there as well.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Whoa...I disagree with a lot of this. Here we go:

Exactly. The only way I would accept something between the two of them is if they handle it tastefully. And by that I mean don't have the movie start off with them already romancing each other and shacking up. Just show hints of a growing relationship and then if they want to they can get romantic in future sequels. But even if they do it right, I just don't see the point. I know it was in the comics but even there I didn't like it. Their relationship would have no purpose in the films other than to get together two good-looking stars and bring in teenyboppers.

Are you truly taking into account demographics?? :o

Storm and Logan having some sort of burgeoning relationship would absolutely have a purpose: It adds a romantic element--and yes this is necessary. Let's not get it twisted--despite the dark action edge these films have had, it is STILL technically a summer film and summer films are known for having action and romance combined. It worked for the Spider-Man films and it certainly worked to an extent for the prior X-Men films.

Now, Jean is DEAD. Scott is AWOL (allegedly). Rogue and Bobby are teenaged kids. Therefore there is no romance for ADULT FEMALE audience members to relate to. However, Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman are major sex symbols. It makes total sense to build an attraction between them--aside from Professor X they are the only other adults in the faculty.



Wolverine and Storm have had their time to shine. IMO they should be the ones to leave after X3. It would make sense too since we know Hugh and Halle are very busy these days and want to move on. Plus we'll be getting the Wolvie solo film so Logan would have to leave in order for that to take place (unless they make it in the past but I doubt it) Marsden and Famke however aren't in constant demand and would probably welcome more sequels. Wolvie and Storm leaving would make way for other characters to be developed and for Gambit to take his rightful place as a main character (the loner role left vacant by Logan) in future sequels.

Sorry but that makes no sense at all. I'll concede that Wolverine has had his fair share of the limelight. But Storm has not. X1 and X2 belonged to Jean and Logan--with Rogue thrown in for good measure. Scott was in full command in X1, and Rogue and Magneto were fleshed out very well in that film. Storm is the only one that needs some gravity added to her character--because up till now she's been little more than a walking SFX machine for the trailers. :rolleyes:

As far as Hugh and Halle leaving--you cannot subtract all of your biggest stars and hope that your franchise will still succeed with mainstream moviegoers. That is poor business sense because the fanboy audience simply is not powerful enough to sustain it. Unfortunately, the X-Men franchise can not survive on mere name recognition--it needs marketability. You need to have marquee actors to ground this franchise.

Stewart and McKellan are as good as gone, but they've gotten the ball rolling. Hugh can afford to leave because Wolverine is being spun off of this series. The only other major box office draws you have left are Anna Paquin and Halle Berry. If Storm is finally "fixed" in this sequel, why the hell would Halle leave? She, along with Anna and Kelsey could easily lead this franchise alongside the B-list actors i.e. Famke, James, Ben Foster, etc.

And what makes you so sure that Hugh will leave the X-Men anyway? He could always come back after Wolverine.

[tonytr1687]

Whoa...I disagree with a lot of this. Here we go:



Are you truly taking into account demographics?? :o

Storm and Logan having some sort of burgeoning relationship would absolutely have a purpose: It adds a romantic element--and yes this is necessary. Let's not get it twisted--despite the dark action edge these films have had, it is STILL technically a summer film and summer films are known for having action and romance combined. It worked for the Spider-Man films and it certainly worked to an extent for the prior X-Men films.

Now, Jean is DEAD. Scott is AWOL (allegedly). Rogue and Bobby are teenaged kids. Therefore there is no romance for ADULT FEMALE audience members to relate to. However, Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman are major sex symbols. It makes total sense to build an attraction between them--aside from Professor X they are the only other adults in the faculty.




Sorry but that makes no sense at all. I'll concede that Wolverine has had his fair share of the limelight. But Storm has not. X1 and X2 belonged to Jean and Logan--with Rogue thrown in for good measure. Scott was in full command in X1, and Rogue and Magneto were fleshed out very well in that film. Storm is the only one that needs some gravity added to her character--because up till now she's been little more than a walking SFX machine for the trailers. :rolleyes:

As far as Hugh and Halle leaving--you cannot subtract all of your biggest stars and hope that your franchise will still succeed with mainstream moviegoers. That is poor business sense because the fanboy audience simply is not powerful enough to sustain it. Unfortunately, the X-Men franchise can not survive on mere name recognition--it needs marketability. You need to have marquee actors to ground this franchise.

Stewart and McKellan are as good as gone, but they've gotten the ball rolling. Hugh can afford to leave because Wolverine is being spun off of this series. The only other major box office draws you have left are Anna Paquin and Halle Berry. If Storm is finally "fixed" in this sequel, why the hell would Halle leave? She, along with Anna and Kelsey could easily lead this franchise alongside the B-list actors i.e. Famke, James, Ben Foster, etc.

And what makes you so sure that Hugh will leave the X-Men anyway? He could always come back after Wolverine.

I know these movies have to have romance, but there has been no buildup or development whatsoever of a relationship between Storm and Logan. It would feel thrown in there. You say Jean is dead and Scott is AWOL. Well here's the thing, and this just my opinion, Scott shouldn't be AWOL and Jean is obviously not dead as she'll be returning as Dark Phoenix. The romance should stem from Scott trying to reach through to Jean who has gone rogue. And basically at the end Scott succeeds and Jean returns to normal and love triumphs and yadda, yadda. The story is there for the taking and would easily translate on screen. You don't need Storm and Logan getting together to provide romance, not to mention there's the whole Rogue-Bobby relationship and possible love triangle involving Kitty. Major story decisions should not be made based on demographics, that's how a studio thinks and that's why many movies these days end up crap. Just b/c the both of them are sex symbols, doesn't mean they should get together. If you go by that thinking it makes it seem like all you care about is making money, instead of crafting a good story that makes sense. "Oh, Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry are really hott so let's have them get together, that'll sure bring in the women." I for one care more about a good story and sensible characters than X3 bringing in celebrity couple-obsessed women

As far as Storm, I should've made myself more clear. You're right she was merely window dressing in X1, however I thought she had ample screen time in X2 and it's fairly evident we'll be seeing a lot of her in X3. So altogether she will have had a fair amount of presence in the first three movies. Scott however had a middle-sized role in X1, next to nothing in X2, and it looks like the same can be said for X3. So altogether he will not have had a very big presence in the first three movies, and therefore should be fleshed out more in future sequels should he survive X3.

Also, the film franchise does not hinge on Hugh and Halle. People don't go to these movies just for those two, especially Halle, because if that was the case the first two wouldn't have made so much money since Storm wasn't exactly a main character. I'm not saying Storm MUST go, I'm just saying if she left along with Wolvie it would help thin out the roster to leave way for new characters to be introduced. And in reality, Hugh and Halle aren't marquee names. They're stars, no doubt about that, but they havn't yet proven that their name alone brings tons of people to their movies. I think the X-men franchise can survive without Halle. Don't get me wrong though it'd be okay if she stayed, it's just if she left it would leave room for others so the films don't get too crowded. Because face it, you can't keep adding more and more characters and not take out a few here and there. And IMO, I'd rather see Cyke stay around then Storm. He should lead after Xavier dies (if he dies), he even said it in X1.

Oh and for the record Kelsey Grammar is more of a star than Anna Paquin. Anna's what most call a character actor, not a star.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I know these movies have to have romance, but there has been no buildup or development whatsoever of a relationship between Storm and Logan. It would feel thrown in there. You say Jean is dead and Scott is AWOL. Well here's the thing, and this just my opinion, Scott shouldn't be AWOL and Jean is obviously not dead as she'll be returning as Dark Phoenix. The romance should stem from Scott trying to reach through to Jean who has gone rogue. And basically at the end Scott succeeds and Jean returns to normal and love triumphs and yadda, yadda. The story is there for the taking and would easily translate on screen. You don't need Storm and Logan getting together to provide romance, not to mention there's the whole Rogue-Bobby relationship and possible love triangle involving Kitty. Major story decisions should not be made based on demographics, that's how a studio thinks and that's why many movies these days end up crap. Just b/c the both of them are sex symbols, doesn't mean they should get together. If you go by that thinking it makes it seem like all you care about is making money, instead of crafting a good story that makes sense. "Oh, Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry are really hott so let's have them get together, that'll sure bring in the women." I for one care more about a good story and sensible characters than X3 bringing in celebrity couple-obsessed women


This is true and you are correct. Sadly, however, this is Hollywood. Whether or not it makes common sense is irrelevant--the bottom line is it makes good business sense. If X3 marks the beginning of a tastefully-done love story between the two--and not some slam-bam-thankya-ma'am business, I don't see what the harm is.



As far as Storm, I should've made myself more clear. You're right she was merely window dressing in X1, however I thought she had ample screen time in X2 and it's fairly evident we'll be seeing a lot of her in X3. So altogether she will have had a fair amount of presence in the first three movies. Scott however had a middle-sized role in X1, next to nothing in X2, and it looks like the same can be said for X3. So altogether he will not have had a very big presence in the first three movies, and therefore should be fleshed out more in future sequels should he survive X3.

I too would prefer Scott to take the lead with Storm as his right-hand woman, just as it was in X1. They are leaders and they should be in the saddle together.



Also, the film franchise does not hinge on Hugh and Halle. People don't go to these movies just for those two, especially Halle, because if that was the case the first two wouldn't have made so much money since Storm wasn't exactly a main character. I'm not saying Storm MUST go, I'm just saying if she left along with Wolvie it would help thin out the roster to leave way for new characters to be introduced.

It doesn't "hinge" on Halle, but I disagree with regards to Hugh. Right or wrong, Bryan Singer has made him the identifying symbol of the X-Men. Hell, Logan IS the X-Men now. And that's pathetic. He cannot leave...although a well-cast Remy LeBeau might take fans' minds off of him. :cool:


And in reality, Hugh and Halle aren't marquee names. They're stars, no doubt about that, but they havn't yet proven that their name alone brings tons of people to their movies. I think the X-men franchise can survive without Halle. Don't get me wrong though it'd be okay if she stayed, it's just if she left it would leave room for others so the films don't get too crowded.

I disagree...they are marquee names for this franchise. They, along with Ian and Patrick are the biggest box office draws, period. And yes, the franchise would certainly survive without Halle, yet it needs Storm--if that makes any sense. If Cykes is out of the picture, you have to have Storm and vise versa. They are the essential leaders of the X-Men and ground the team in ways other characters cannot. Remember, Scott, Jean, Storm, Xavier and Logan have always been the most popular X-Members. If you kill off 3 of them, and give the other a solo series, you're messing up the appeal even for comic fans.

[Seen]

I'm still reeling that Xavier and possibly Scott will die in this film. In my opinion it's totally unacceptable.

[Milkman95]

Cyclops can die, but Xavier is a big no-no...........

[Neto Magnus]

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[Angry Sentinel]

Cyclops can die, but Xavier is a big no-no........... :up:

The "U-Men"?
The "T-Men"?
The "A-Men"?... am I in church?

[Seen]

Cyclops can die, but Xavier is a big no-no...........

I was hoping Cyclops would finally get his due in this film, since he was admittedly shafted in the last two films, and with this one supposedly dealing with the Dark Phoenix Saga...that seemed like the case.

Now, it looks like he's going to pave way to a stupid Wolverine/Storm relationship. And Xavier dying...

NO. FRIGGIN'. WAY. :mad:

[The Revengers]

I know im a newb and this is my first post but why does the Phoenix have to be the Dark Phoenix. I always thought that when Jean first came back she was the good Phoenix. Anyways with that I really hate the idea of killing off characters. I think they are doing a good job of keeping Mags alive. I hope they bring back Sabretooth and Toad at one point in the sequels.

P.S.- If they do kill off pro. x I like your ideas about the young X-men spinoffs. Maybee they can do a Generation X spinoff too.

[tonytr1687]

This is true and you are correct. Sadly, however, this is Hollywood. Whether or not it makes common sense is irrelevant--the bottom line is it makes good business sense. If X3 marks the beginning of a tastefully-done love story between the two--and not some slam-bam-thankya-ma'am business, I don't see what the harm is.

I too would prefer Scott to take the lead with Storm as his right-hand woman, just as it was in X1. They are leaders and they should be in the saddle together.

It doesn't "hinge" on Halle, but I disagree with regards to Hugh. Right or wrong, Bryan Singer has made him the identifying symbol of the X-Men. Hell, Logan IS the X-Men now. And that's pathetic. He cannot leave...although a well-cast Remy LeBeau might take fans' minds off of him. :cool:


I disagree...they are marquee names for this franchise. They, along with Ian and Patrick are the biggest box office draws, period. And yes, the franchise would certainly survive without Halle, yet it needs Storm--if that makes any sense. If Cykes is out of the picture, you have to have Storm and vise versa. They are the essential leaders of the X-Men and ground the team in ways other characters cannot. Remember, Scott, Jean, Storm, Xavier and Logan have always been the most popular X-Members. If you kill off 3 of them, and give the other a solo series, you're messing up the appeal even for comic fans.

I agree that if they slowly develop it through this film and possibly future sequels it would be more okay. Lets just hope that's one of the changes made from the AICN draft, because according to that Storm and Logan are already shacking up. God forbid.

In response to your third statement, that's exactly my point. Other characters like Gambit can come onto the scene and replace the vacant "popularity roles" left by Wolvie and Storm. This way we get to see new characters fleshed out without the films getting too crowded. And the thing is, with a Wolverine solo film being made, I see Logan leaving the team somewhere down the line to make way for that spinoff story. Gambit is popular enough to take his place, plus it would make perfect sense b/c Gambit is a mysterious loner himself, and with Logan gone we wouldn't have to worry about Remy being called too similar, as some of the producers have expressed in regards to his character.

They may be box office draws compared to say Shawn Ashmore or Vinnie Jones, but in the big scheme of things Hugh and Halle and Patrick and Ian don't bring in audiences like Tom Cruise or Julia Roberts. They can be considered stars or marquee names, but that doesn't equal box office drawing power. Once again I should've been more clear, I think the franchise can survive without Storm and even Wolvie if you have Gambit there to take his place, as I stated above. I don't think we're on the same page here, because you mentioned Cyclops being out of the picture. Seems like you're debating what most likely WILL happen whereas I'm debating what SHOULD happen. The way I see it 3 of the most popular X-men wouldn't be gone because I think Cyke should stay alive and stick around. So we'd still have Cyke, Jean, Rogue, Iceman, Beast, Angel, and hopefully Gambit and Colossus. I think with that roster the franchise could go on w/o Storm and Wolvie.

But if we're talking what most likely will happen, then you're right. If Cyke is gone then Storm has to stick around to lead the team. I'm just hoping that's not the case and Cyke survives to continue his leadership. BTW can you tell me how to respond to different statements individually? I've never figured that out.

[tonytr1687]

Cyclops can die, but Xavier is a big no-no...........

The team can go on w/o Xavier, they've done it in the comics. Cyclops is the one who's been shafted in the previous films and deserves more screen time.

[Angry Sentinel]

^ As assinine as the comics have been with killing off characters and bringing them back, even they have not "ACTUALLY" killed the Prof X!

But for arguments sake, let's say they do, why would you want that horrible cycle to even begin to rear it's ugly head in the movieverse?

[S7ilver]

Wolverine and Storm will never be taken out of the movies. Wolverine, because he's Wolverine, they'd just never do it. Storm, she is the only major black X-Men (or superheroine at all), Fox wants color in their movies, simple as that

[tonytr1687]

Oh I forgot about that. You're right. Well they could bring in Bishop, but he'd have to be very different from his comic book counterpart to work on screen, maybe a regular cop or something.

[tonytr1687]

^ As assinine as the comics have been with killing off characters and bringing them back, even they have not "ACTUALLY" killed the Prof X!

But for arguments sake, let's say they do, why would you want that horrible cycle to even begin to rear it's ugly head in the movieverse?

I'm not saying I'd like Xavier to die, but I'd much rather it be him than Cyclops. It would make much more sense story-wise to have the mentors (Xavier, Magneto) die and the proteges (Cyclops, Mystique) take over. It's an age-old concept: the mentor dies and passes the legacy onto the next generation. It was foreshadowed in X1.

[GNR]

Once again,Magneto.

Once again,Magneto.

[Jan Irisi]

Once again,Magneto.

Alright, stop being so cryptic. Just what are you trying to say? :p

[Lightning Strykez!]

I know, right!?!?! :p GNR: Spam much? :D:p

[Supreme Power]

I really don't know what to think about the Storm and Wolverine thing. Who said it had to be some kind of serious romance or something. Maybe it's only touched on. It doesn't bother me much.

Now with Cyke and Prof. X, I really would prefer neither or them die, if that's what would happen. But if they had to kill off someone, for Xavier to die and Cyclops to live and still not lead in any capacity in the movie, well that would just make me a lot madder about Xavier dying. I mean what would be the point. I would want them both to live, but if they kill off Prof. X and not Cyke and he still has a small non-meaningful role... :mad:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I really don't know what to think about the Storm and Wolverine thing. Who said it had to be some kind of serious romance or something. Maybe it's only touched on. It doesn't bother me much.

Now with Cyke and Prof. X, I really would prefer neither or them die, if that's what would happen. But if they had to kill off someone, for Xavier to die and Cyclops to live and still not lead in any capacity in the movie, well that would just make me a lot madder about Xavier dying. I mean what would be the point. I would want them both to live, but if they kill off Prof. X and not Cyke and he still has a small non-meaningful role... :mad:


I agree with you....it'd be a waste.

[Yellow Cyclone]

i've said it before and i've said it again

killing off cyke and xavier could be the DUMBEST idea this series has done (and that's the top of a very big list)

[Electrix]

You may say that now but it may been the best thing to do once you've seen the movie...

[The Revengers]

I've got a question if they do kill off Pro X does that mean there going to kill off Jugernaut or atleast take away his powers. Because if you think about it the whole reason Marko is the Jugernaut is to seek revenge on his step brother Charles. So if hes dead what would be his new purpose?

[Electrix]

I'm sure he'll find something to do...or stay with the Brotherhood...

[Octoberist]

Cyclops can die, but Xavier is a big no-no...........


Does anyone like Cyclops anymore? Anyone? People were like "We have to have Beast and Angel. They're the originals!"

But when the notion of killing of Cyclops comes up, they're like "It's fine". Even though he was an original member too.

I'm not pointing my finger at you, Milkman, but it's just the way you wrote that down.

People here underestimate the mainstream audience. They probably wont' buy Cyclops dying UNLESS it's tasteful and he gets his share of the action with Jean.

[Quing]

I've got a question if they do kill off Pro X does that mean there going to kill off Jugernaut or atleast take away his powers. Because if you think about it the whole reason Marko is the Jugernaut is to seek revenge on his step brother Charles. So if hes dead what would be his new purpose?

I don't think that there's been any evidence to suggest that Marko is actually Chuck's brother in the movieverse. They're probably going to be taking all kinds of liberties with the character anyway, since I don't think that they have the time to go into the whole Cyttorak business.

[Quing]

Does anyone like Cyclops anymore? Anyone? People were like "We have to have Beast and Angel. They're the originals!"

But when the notion of killing of Cyclops comes up, they're like "It's fine". Even though he was an original member too.

I'm not pointing my finger at you, Milkman, but it's just the way you wrote that down.

People here underestimate the mainstream audience. They probably wont' buy Cyclops dying UNLESS it's tasteful and he gets his share of the action with Jean.

Honestly, I'm not the biggest Cyke fan. But he is definitely not a character that can just be written off, popped out of existence. They haven't given him what he deserves regarding character development, but they've given him enough (mostly through Jean) that killing him off should not be an option. Or at least not smiting him in the first few minutes, as has been suggested. After all he's been through, the audience will want to see him come to terms a bit with things before he goes.

Sure, Wolverine is screwed up mentally, but Cyke? We've actually seen the problem happening, when Jean died. We as the audience were able to participate in the moment that probably changed his life forever. And as such we deserve some closure.

But hey, Marsden has been shooting Superman, so lets forget about all of that and kill Slim.

[Abaddon]

I was hoping Cyclops would finally get his due in this film, since he was admittedly shafted in the last two films, and with this one supposedly dealing with the Dark Phoenix Saga...that seemed like the case.

Now, it looks like he's going to pave way to a stupid Wolverine/Storm relationship. And Xavier dying...

NO. FRIGGIN'. WAY. :mad:

Well,I'm guessing its because Jean wont be diving into a sun and destroying galaxies and s**t,so they need her to commit another form of devastation.

[Yellow Cyclone]

You may say that now but it may been the best thing to do once you've seen the movie...

may, being the key word





i still stand by my original point


killing off cyke/prof will be STUPID =(

[Octoberist]

I like your signature, Yellow. It's sad but it's true.

X-Men 3: Every Mutant But Gambit and the Possible Death of Cyclops and Half of the Cast.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

i think it's gonna suck to have Prof X die :( then again, we don't really know that much of what's goin on. cuz there have been re-writes with the script.

[Octoberist]

Yeah, you're right. We don't know enough. All I know is that Bush is a *****ing douchebag

[Yellow Cyclone]

lolz octoberist, but please call me YC :joker:

[cookiva]

I just posted this in the sticky trailer thread, but it applies here as well.

Ive been starting to think about the funeral scene in X3, and what if Xavier does die, but Magneto does as well. This would be a fitting way to end the series, to have two associates/friends/practically family members to share a funeral. It would be fitting in the spirit of the films. I mean, we cant have Magneto go to jail again, as he will break out. Hes not going to "retire", and I doubt he will lead the Xmen.

[KingOfDreams]

Xavier can'r die! Noooooooooooo! Well, if he did, either Cyke or Storm would lead the team. In the movies, it seems like Storm has taken more of a leadership role than Cyclops.

[TNC9852002]

Xavier can'r die! Noooooooooooo! Well, if he did, either Cyke or Storm would lead the team. In the movies, it seems like Storm has taken more of a leadership role than Cyclops.
Hmmm...The first X-Men seemed to suggest that Storm, Jean, and Cyclops both had individual leadership qualities whereas Storm and Cyclops were the main authoratative figures out of the 3, and Cyclops was above all, was first in command,...but it is never directly stated...So, whenever Cyclops is not there, it is Storm that is pretty much trying to keep things under control with Jean (like in X2)...

-TNC

[BigMac]

As much as I don't want Xavier to die, Cyclops should take over. He hinted at it in X2 when Xavier was in a coma.

[Hush]

I think it would be Cyke. IMO Prof. brought cyke to magnetos cell with him in X2 because he knew if anyone was to be informed of the conversation him and erik had in the cell it would be cyke because he is the leader if he ever goes MIA or dies.

[TheWeatherMan]

As I wrote over on the other thread:
I know it's rumored that Patrick Stewart did not want to return to a fourth X-Men movie, and therefore, he and Cyclops and Magneto were going to be done in by the Phoenix. (source:AICN) In the comics, Xavier has undergone significant character changes, as have the rest of the X-Men, and if he were to die, the dream would carry on (as it has.) However, the movie-verse is still young. The characters still seem to be adjusting to their powers and the idea that they are hated and feared by "flatscans". As much as I love Storm, the Storm in the movie is far from ready to become the embodiment of Xavier's dream. Neither would have Cyclops been ready to step into Xavier's shoes. I think they will have a loophole somewhere, Xavier's psychic powers will protect him from decimation or atomization or whatever the heck is supposed to happen. I'd have a hard time buying anyone else as mentor in the movies at this point.
As for the emotional connection in the movies, I didn't feel any of the characters seemed particularly tied to one another. Possibly Logan as a protector-figure to Rogue, but I didn't get the impression of anyone's connection to each other. Jean and Scott seemed forced, as did Wolverine and Jean. It was awkward watching them together. Same with Kurt and Storm. Though it was a nice effort, they all appeared disconnected.

I know this thread is really old... but I just wanted to comment on your comment Weatherwitch because it is timeless in regards to the films. Your point is very much on par. And it's amazing that you were able to call out what Xavier would do to counter his destruction (hence his scene at the end of the credits). I spent the entire day today (yesterday) cleaning my apartment and watching X-Men TAS and one thing that was definitely missing from the movies is the relationships between characters. Why do the characters care about each other? Some of the only connections that the movies have done an almost good job at presenting were that of Storm and the kids (teaching and caring for them) and genuine tears from Storm & Logan when they found his chair in Jean's home (I feel it every time I see Halle's face... she sold it to me). Their connection with Prof. X was definitely real in my mind, but more in small doses instead of consistently throughout the films.

I guess overall, I think that making these connections/relationships stronger would create more meat for the characters individually. Storm's dialogue with Nightcrawler in X2 added a little more meat to her character. Although I would have modified her lines in some cases, we got a glimpse of who Storm was - but still not enough.

I love your posts WW.

[flavio_lebeau]

Funny because, before X3, I just couldn't picture Storm as leader. After X3, I can clearly see her stronger and ready to deal with the school. So, at least in this point, I think X3 did a good job at presenting a stronger, more mature and prominent Storm, even if she's still far from the Storm I'd like to see. Movie Storm, imo, is fully prepared to take over a a leader. Maybe not field leader, but a leader at the school.