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Sandman138

11-27-2005, 11:05 PM

I did this a while back, but it got deleted when they did that overhaul on the interface, so I'm posting it again. This movie is in development hell (and untill Jon Peters is off of the project I hope to whatever higher power there is that it stays that way) but assuming they could pull it off, who would be your ideal cast and crew for the film? Give your reasons as well. Also, if people feel like doing manips, this thread would welcome them with open arms.

My cast.

Dream: Alan Rickman.
http://flakmag.com/film/images/snape.jpg
Most people say Johnny Depp, and though he could most likely work well, he is a typecast. Rickman is older, but his voice and demeanor is perfect for Dream.

Desire: Jonathan Rhys Myers
http://www.jrmfansite.org/gallery/vg/velvet18.jpg
He's got the acting chops and that delicate mix of adrogeny and attractive qualitys. I haven't found anybody better for the part.

Destruction: Hugh Jackman
http://www.agent-jamesbond.de/News/artikel/hugh%20jackman.jpg
He's got the rugged looks, but he's also charming.

Delirium: Kate Winslet
http://www.metronews.ca/uploadedImages/winslet_article(1).jpg
She may be too old, and I'm not as sure of her as I used to be, but her performances in Eternall Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Heavenly Creatures still put her on top for me. I'm interested in other suggestions.

Death: Helena Bonham Carter
http://www.bsd4us.org/~karin/kgcig/images/hbc6274.jpg
This is really more of a temporary choice. I'm not sold on her (though the more I think about it, the more I like her) but I can't think of anybody else at the moment. I don't know yet. I'm really desperate for some ideas. Death needs to be somone who is both cheery and at the same time very wise. I've heard Nstalie Portman suggested at times. I think after her role in Closer, that she may be able to do it, but she's not ideal, she's quitting acting soon, and she is perhaps too young. I'm not sure.

Despair: Kathy Bates
http://www.nndb.com/people/907/000024835/kbates.jpg
Typecast? Most likely. But she does fit the bill

Destiny: David Strathairn
http://www.participantproductions.com/uploads/Image/FILMS%20images/murrowcrop.jpg
Clooney said on why he cast him as Edward R. Murrow that "He looks like he has the weight of the world on him all the time." I think that is a quality very fitting of Destiny, his voice is also amazing.

LanternFan

11-29-2005, 02:17 PM

I don't know about the rest of the cast, but I'd take Depp over Rickman to play Dream.

I love Alan Rickman in the right roles, but I think Johnny Depp is a great actor & would be perfect for the part of Morpheus.

As for the rest of the Endless I think you're on the right track. Esp. Kathy Bates as Despair. Though, I think you'd need a younger actress for Delerium.

I'd dearly love to see a Sandman movie happen, but I don't think the studio suits have enough imagination to make it happen, & I don't know if any director could accurately translate Gaiman's pantheon into a film. It may be best left as TPBs.

Sandman138

11-29-2005, 10:38 PM

Well, there's always Dave McKean. I'd be interested to see how someone like Gondry or Junete directed a Sandman movie. I don't think they could make a movie or even a trilogy that came anywhere close to what the tpb's are. However, I think that they could tell the root story that Gaiman wrote in the introduction to Endless Nights: "The Lord of Dreams realizes that one must change or die, and makes his decision." In someways, the Sandman is about a long and meticulously planned suicide, and then rebirth. I don't know if that story could have anywhere near the impact that it has when you understand all the backstory and everything that leads up to Dream's final decision to take have his sister take him. However, the root story, at least in my mind, could be told in a trilogy. Who knows, it's still fun to think of who you would cast.

Sandman138

11-30-2005, 07:46 PM

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/05/13/irish_gallery__374x550.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/damagegod/pics/jonewan/alien.jpg

some more Jonathan Rhys Meyers pics as the one I had doesn't seem to work now.

Sandman138

11-30-2005, 08:00 PM

Another thought for Delirium: Gigi Edgley. She played Chiana on Farscape. She's younger than Winslet and I think she could do a good job.
http://beastwatcher.tripod.com/season3/images/316-talia.jpg
http://www.pgniteshade.com/gigienthusiast/giportraits/gi10.jpg
http://www.pgniteshade.com/gigienthusiast/giportraits/gi04.jpg

Darth Elektra

11-30-2005, 08:36 PM

preety nice pictures.

Darth Elektra

11-30-2005, 08:36 PM

Hugh would be a good destruction.

Sandman138

11-30-2005, 09:23 PM

http://www.photohost.org/gallery/data/500/1386Dreammaniprickman.JPG

Rickman as Dream

C.F. Kane

11-30-2005, 09:42 PM

I agree with Johnny Depp as Dream, as well as Bonham-Carter for Death. Straithairn, Winslet, and Jackman are also pretty good choices. Though I would favor Carrie-Anne Moss for Desire. She has a very androgynous sexuality that would fit Desire's ethos quite well. I'd also prefer Pat Carroll for Despair. If you don't know who she is, she was the voice of Ursula in The Little Mermaid.

However, if a Sandman movie does get made, I would prefer that The Endless be CGI and animated with motion capture by the actors who provide the voices. Here's why. The Endless need two things to complete their characters. 1) a detachment from most other characters around them--placing the principal actors for The Endless outside of the main action would help them reach that state. 2) The will have to have an otherworldly quality about them--no one can argue that to capture the quality of the books, a surreal element will have to play a major part in the film's presentation. Let's face it, as good as modern CGI is, we can still see it from a mile away. CGI Endless would give the audience a feeling that while they may act with many human qualities, these characters are not quite in their place; not quite human.

But that could just be me.

Sandman138

11-30-2005, 09:48 PM

I agree that they should have a surreal quality, but I don't think you need to make them CGI to do that. There are a number of ways to set them apart.

Sandman138

11-30-2005, 10:03 PM

http://www.photohost.org/gallery/data/701/1386JRMDesire-med.JPG

Jonathan Rhys Meyers as Desire

C.F. Kane

11-30-2005, 10:10 PM

I agree that they should have a surreal quality, but I don't think you need to make them CGI to do that. There are a number of ways to set them apart.

Such as...?

Don't say makeup because they'll just look like goth mimes instead of celestial incarnations of the basic qualities of all sentient life, as they should be.

Sandman138

11-30-2005, 10:22 PM

I was going to say lighting. The first technique that comes to mind is backlighting the hell out of them. Normally back lights are somwhat subdued as their purpose is merely to seperate the subject from the background. If you went really heavy on the backlighting though, you would cast something of a halo effect. They would seem to emenate light.

The Question

11-30-2005, 10:50 PM

About the surrel like quality that we want, I like the CGI idea. If they made the CGI look as much like the actors as possible, that'd be cool. Also, I have a few suggestions. One weird one would be to shoot the entire film backwards, and then dup over their voices. That would look very surreal. Another would be to have the cameramen and lighting guys get really really high before each shooting. :D

Sandman138

11-30-2005, 10:59 PM

Oh, I think everyone should be high. Except for the grips, have you ever had a light fall on your head? The smaller ones hurt like a *****... the bigger ones kill you.

3dman27

12-01-2005, 08:02 AM

here's my cast for a sandman mystery theater movie
wesly dodds /the sandman ryan phillipe`
dian belmont reese witherspoon

The Question

12-01-2005, 05:13 PM

Oh, I think everyone should be high. Except for the grips, have you ever had a light fall on your head? The smaller ones hurt like a *****... the bigger ones kill you.

Yeah. That (not the light thing) brings up a question. Was Neil Gaiman high when he wrote Sandman? I've always thought that it was too weird for anyone to come up with while sober.

Sandman138

12-02-2005, 02:22 AM

Honestly, I don't think so. In interviews, he strikes me more as the kind of guy who just has that stuff in his head naturally.

Sandman138

12-02-2005, 02:25 AM

I just watched Peter Pan again, and it made me really want to see how Donald McAlpine would shoot a Sandman movie.

Eddie Dean

12-02-2005, 03:44 PM

Dream- Johnny Depp
Delirium- Alison Loman or Bryce Dallas Howard
Destruction- Sean Bean
Loki - Tim Roth
Fiddlers Green- Jim Broadbent
Odin- Ian McKellen
Lucifer Morningstar- Jude Law or David Bowie
Destiny- Jeremy Irons
Cain- Alan Rickman
Abel- Oliver Platt
Desire-Tilda Swinton
Constantine- Paul Bettany

conan69

12-08-2005, 11:25 AM

Heres a link to the Sandman script that was seriously being considered for a movie in the late 90s.

If I remember correctly Roger Avery wanted to make this and it went nowhere...

http://www.wordplayer.com/archives/SANDMAN.cover.html

Sandman138

12-08-2005, 05:53 PM

I was never a huge fan of that script. I think it trivializes the Endless and making Dream into more of selfless hero than he really is takes away from his character.

Sandman138

03-25-2006, 05:27 AM

Bump

Okay, I've been thinking about this and I have a basic idea of what I'd like to see from a Sandman trilogy.

The first film is the hardest, because you somehow have to combine the important events from P&N (his capture, but the rest should be avoided, we don't need to see Morpheus going on a quest to find his junk), DH (Lyta Hall and Daniel, Rose Walker, Gilbert, Corinthian #1), and SoM (Lucifer leaving, Loki being set free). I also think that Calliope has to be in there somewhere (perhaps split it up. show her prediciment in the begining and Sandman rescueing her at the end? It has to be in there though). I don't think there's really enough time to deal with Nada, sucky as that is, so Calliope has to make up for her absence (she's also nessecary because of Orpheus). I would also change the apartments line-up as follows: Rose, Lyta, Gilbert, Thessaly, Wanda. I'm still working this one out. I'll write more later.

The seconed movie should open with the Orpheus and Euridice story. It should then go into Brief Lives.

The third movie should open with A Midsummer Night's Dream, go into The Kindly Ones, and end with The Tempest.

Nowhere near as in depth as the comics, but the main story does get across. Unfortunatly, I can't think of any way to bring Hob Galding into the movies. I had the thought that each DVD should contain certian shorts (ie. the first one would have Men Of Good Fortune while the third would have an abridged version of The Wake) in the special features section. Other than that, there just isn't enough time and you really can't make this longer than a trilogy.

Thoughts?

The Question

03-25-2006, 09:49 AM

The Question

03-25-2006, 09:49 AM

Mathew the Raven: Micheal Rosembaum (voice)

Lucifer: Johnny Depp

http://www.spietati.it/in-primo-piano/Venezia/Venezia-61/foto-live/johnny-depp.jpg

Dr. Destiny: Mark Hamill

http://www.cnn.com/EVENTS/1997/star.wars.anniversary/where.are.they/hamill.lg.jpg

Sexton: Shia Lebeouf

http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/l/labeouf/ShiaLabeou_Vespa_1835297_Ma.jpg

Lucien: Alan Cumming

http://images.hollywood.com/images/4_368780.jpg

Cain: Paul Bettany

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/img/daily/598/paul_l.jpg

Able: Billy West

http://www.ecto-web.org/~spookcentral/cast_crew_billy_west.jpg

Nada: Gina Torres

http://sean.adventureteam.com/pages/twins/gina-torres.jpg

Sandman138

03-25-2006, 10:03 AM

Personally, I'd just turn each volume into a film. It would make a very long film series, but that would be the only way to really capture the essence of Sandman. Also, here are my casting suggestions from the "cast the DC universe" thread:

Destiny: David Strathairn

http://www.participantproductions.com/uploads/Image/FILMS%20images/murrowcrop.jpg

Death: Summer Glau

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/serenity/summer_glau/serenity2.jpg

Dream: Alan Rickman

http://www.poster.net/rickman-alan/rickman-alan-photo-alan-rickman-6200210.jpg

Destruction: Sean Astin

http://abyss.hubbe.net/gfx/covers/jtv/lg/misc/astin-auto-lg.jpg

Despair: Kathy Bates

http://www.vendicari.nl/logboek/images/bates032303_big.jpg

Desire: Jamie Lee Curtis

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Movies/9808/05/halloween.h20/link.jamie.lee.curtis.jpg

Delirium: Anna Paquin

http://www.saltypig.com/blog/annadots.jpg

*continued in next post*

Nice, another vote for Rickman! Paquin's an interesting choice for Delirium, but do you think she could really play the part of innocence lost to manic depresion? I still say that Rhys-Myers is an awesome choice for Desire, I mean just look at Velvet Goldmine. I don't like Sean Astin. He's not nearly rugged enough for Destruction. I'm interested in Glau, I'm worried she might be a bit too young for the part, but I applaud the suggestion.

In terms of just translating each volume. The problem with that would be: how do you turn books like Dream Country, Fables And Reflections, The World's End, A Game Of You, or even The Wake into movies that could work? I don't think you can just translate Sandman directly to the screen. It really has to be addapted. The themes of the short stories need to be made to fit into the larger narrative and unfortunatly, you do kind of need to focus on one main theme (for me that is Morpheus' redemtion with Orpheus but there could be other ways).

The Question

03-25-2006, 10:12 AM

Nice, another vote for Rickman!

He really is Dream.

Paquin's an interesting choice for Delirium, but do you think she could really play the part of innocence lost to manic depresion?

She's a really really good actress. Won an acadamy award for best supporting actress when she was ten years old. She could pull it off.

I still say that Rhys-Myers is an awesome choice for Desire, I mean just look at Velvet Goldmine.

Never saw it, but I'll take your word for it.

I don't like Sean Astin. He's not nearly rugged enough for Destruction.

I think he could do the part justice. I actually think he looks a bit like Destruction myself. My main problem is the fact that he's not friggin huge like Destruction. But the right camera angles can take care of that.

I'm interested in Glau, I'm worried she might be a bit too young for the part, but I applaud the suggestion.

She's actualy 25. She's just capable of playing younger quite well. She can also play the parts of adults quite convincingly. Besides, even though Death is the second oldest, she's always looked younger than all of them, besides Delirium. Funny, I actually considered Glau for Delirium. But, she looks alot more like Death, and Paquin is a few years younger than her.

In terms of just translating each volume. The problem with that would be: how do you turn books like Dream Country, Fables And Reflections, The World's End, A Game Of You, or even The Wake into movies that could work? I don't think you can just translate Sandman directly to the screen. It really has to be addapted. The themes of the short stories need to be made to fit into the larger narrative and unfortunatly, you do kind of need to focus on one main theme (for me that is Morpheus' redemtion with Orpheus but there could be other ways).

Just don't make them into standard movies. Some volumes are simply a collection of short stories. So, have the movie based on that volume be a collection of short stories. Sandman movies should have very artistic feels to them. Like a really good indapendant film with a hollywood budget.

Sandman138

03-25-2006, 10:23 AM

http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/velvet-goldmine/velvet-goldmine04.jpg

http://www.filmfestivals.com/images/velvet.jpg

Velvet Goldmine pics for more http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/3225/Velvet/sladepix.html, check out Maxwell Demon and The Hot One ecspecially.

The Question

03-25-2006, 10:25 AM

Well, while he may be a good actor, I find that when a woman plays adronginous, she looks androginous. When a man plays andorginous, he just looks a really really fruity man.

Sandman138

03-25-2006, 10:30 AM

Check the link. He can look insanely androgenous. It's just harder to find pics that hot link.

The Question

03-25-2006, 10:33 AM

You have a point. I just think casting a woman for the part would work alot better.

Sandman138

03-25-2006, 10:44 AM

As far as Abel goes, there is only one choice for me: John Rhys-Davies
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Rhys.jpg

Sandman138

03-25-2006, 10:46 AM

The Question

03-25-2006, 10:59 AM

As far as Abel goes, there is only one choice for me: John Rhys-Davies
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Rhys.jpg

I'd never buy him as a whimp who gets beat up by his scrawny brother. Billy West could sell that much better.

Sandman138

03-25-2006, 11:02 AM

I'd never buy him as a whimp who gets beat up by his scrawny brother. Billy West could sell that much better.

Ohhh but I wanna see him play a whimp soooooo bad. You know he's a good enough actor to pull it off, he just got insanely typecasted. I think it would be awesome if he could totally screw with people's expectations.

The Question

03-25-2006, 11:11 AM

I guess that'd work. Yeah, I can see it.

The Question

03-25-2006, 02:42 PM

I'm torn on Cumming as Lucien. On the one hand he beats the crap out of just about any other suggestion I've heard, on the other I can't shake the feeling that there is somebody better for the part. Untill further notice, however, I'm sold.

Cool. So, who are the other characters from the Sandman books? Hell, who would you cast as the suns from the Dream story in Endless Nights?

Sandman138

03-25-2006, 02:52 PM

I think we should cast the tripple goddess first as she/s' rather important.

The Question

03-25-2006, 03:02 PM

Triple godess? Which volume is that from?

Sandman138

03-25-2006, 03:05 PM

Triple godess? Which volume is that from?

The Gray Ladies, The Kindly Ones, The Fates, The Moon...

The Question

03-25-2006, 03:09 PM

Okay. I only have volumes one through four, volume nine which I don;t want to read before I have the others, Death: The high cost of living, and Endless Nights.

Sandman138

03-25-2006, 03:14 PM

Oh, wow... you've got some reading to catch up on there.

Another set of real important characters to cast are Loki and Puck (you'll see why)

We also need to cast Rose, Lyta, and Thessaly.

Abaddon

03-25-2006, 03:26 PM

I know nothing about Sandman,but maybe Rachel Weistz should be Death.:confused:

The Question

03-25-2006, 03:39 PM

Oh, wow... you've got some reading to catch up on there.

Another set of real important characters to cast are Loki and Puck (you'll see why)

I can imagine so.

We also need to cast Rose, Lyta, and Thessaly.

Damn. Rose. Forgot about her. Let me think a bit on that.

I know nothing about Sandman,but maybe Rachel Weistz should be Death.:confused:

No. Too old, I'd say. Death is usually portrayed as rather young looking. Late teens/early 20s.

Sandman138

03-25-2006, 08:30 PM

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f341/themanbat/1sandmankelleyjones.jpg

Kelly Jones Sandman looks a lot like Rickman to me.

The Question

03-25-2006, 08:36 PM

Also looks kind of like Gaiman.

Sandman138

03-25-2006, 08:45 PM

True, but Gaiman is just too fun lovin a guy to pull off a convincing Dream.

The Question

03-25-2006, 09:25 PM

Very true.

Sandman138

04-20-2006, 01:01 AM

Found a better Lucien: Jonathan Pryce
http://jamesbond007.net/advers/Pryce.jpg

MaskedManJRK

04-20-2006, 01:25 AM

Found a better Lucien: Jonathan Pryce
http://jamesbond007.net/advers/Pryce.jpg

Anything from the motha'f**ka' from Tomorrow Never Dies is cool in my book. :up:

Question, though: Do you mean Lucien or Lucifer? I'm sorry, I've only read, like, some of the middle and the last two (stupid, I know, but it's the only ones I could actually find).

Sandman138

04-20-2006, 01:33 AM

Lucien, the librarian of "the largest library there never was".

KingOfDreams

04-20-2006, 01:35 AM

Cain - Gary Oldman
Abel - Robin Williams
Dream - Johnny Depp
Desire - ?
Destiny - Hugo Weaving
Delirium - Gigi Edgely
Destruction - Karl Urban
Death - Natalie Portman or Zooey Deschanel
Fiddler's Green - Jim Broadbent
The Corinthian - Nicolas Cage or Billy Bob Thorton
Lucien - Hugh Laurie or Jonathon Pryce
Rose - Kate Winslet
Lucifer - Heath Ledger

Rac

04-25-2006, 01:41 PM

Gilbert/Fiddler's Green = Jeffrey Jones

http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/5771/jefferyjones3vn.png http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/8022/jefferyjones23lb.png

The Question

04-30-2006, 04:04 PM

Found a better Lucien: Jonathan Pryce
http://jamesbond007.net/advers/Pryce.jpg

Oh, he'd do quite nicely.

Also, I've given some thought, and I do agree with your idea for Desire.

MaskedManJRK

04-30-2006, 08:44 PM

Lucien, the librarian of "the largest library there never was".

Oh yeah. Been a while since I read any of the books.

Sandman138

05-07-2006, 10:47 PM

Revised Rickman manip. Yeah, all I did was add a lens flair... it still looks much better.
http://www.photohost.org/gallery/data/500/1386Dream_Rickman.jpg

Eddie Dean

05-07-2006, 10:54 PM

Rickman would be my choice for Cain, not Dream.

I still think Sean Bean is the perfect Destruction.
http://www.askmen.com/men/celeb_profiles_entertainment/pictures/sean_bean/sean_bean.jpg

Sandman138

05-07-2006, 11:01 PM

I'm with you on Bean, but Rickman is way too subdued to play the manic Cain. I don't see it at all. Personally, when I read Dream and Del's exchanges in the car during Brief Lives, the only person I see pulling it off is Rickman.

Eddie Dean

05-07-2006, 11:14 PM

Actually, what about Daniel Day Lewis as Dream?
http://www.famouslocations.com/images/movies/inthenameofthe_.jpg

The Question

05-07-2006, 11:15 PM

Rickman would be my choice for Cain, not Dream.

Then who would you cast for Dream? I think Rickman would be a perfect Dream, personally.

I still think Sean Bean is the perfect Destruction.

Not a bad choice at all. Anyway, this is my finalized casting list:

Destiny: David Strathairn

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/3302/strathairn22zl.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)

Death: Summer Glau

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/6966/summerglau0zy.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)

Dream: Alan Rickman

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/8492/alanrickman033zu.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)

Destruction: Hugh Jackman

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/2741/hjew5ox.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)

Desire: John Reyes Myers

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/3486/velvet21hj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

Despair: Kathy Bates

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/2360/kathy20bates8ee.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

Delirium: Anna Paquin

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/6317/annadots8kg.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)