Which Venom would you prefer? [Pics]

[Toren]

Most people are talking about Venom now, this can be merged with the main Venom topic if you'd like. I was just wondering which version people were mainly wanting in the movie... that is if you had no choice whether or not he is in the movie.

Original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-old.jpg

Variation
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-mid.jpg

Recent
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-recent.jpg

I voted for the original, which I think is the most workable version for the movie (and for Topher if he ends up being Venom).

[Frenzy]

Something in between. A realistic sized villain with all the power and grace of Spidey combined with the hatred and killer instinct of a monster.

More toward the bottom picture.

Should there be 3 pics?

[Toren]

Edited to fix the last pic... I totally forgot about Ultimate Venom.

Feel free to post a pic of the Venom you'd prefer if it's other.

[Frenzy]

On one hand I think "keep him realistic" then I think "Well he should be able to kick a lot of ass like in the comics. I think he's squared off and won against nearly everyone hasn't he?" so I'm really in two minds.

I think for movie venom he should be closer to the top with the face from the 'middle' piccy:)

[American_Hobo]

can't beat the original

[Casius--J]

I went for variation, only cause thats what i grew up to know as venom. The original looks too much like spidey for my likin, but I can see the film version bein closer to the original more than anything.

[OctaviousINC]

I picked the recent one. But here me out, I like the original, but the recent one and even the variation, is more scary and monstorous. I f Venom appears in Spidey 3 I want people to think, "Holy crap that things freaky." The original just isn't scary enough, he looks like spidey with teeth. Ultimate Venom would rock.

[Spider-Who?]

a cross between Variation and Recent...but dont make his so huge, we dont need a black hulk running around in SM3.

[Compi716]

What about the Bagley version of Venom? To me, that's the classic look.

[Jason Martell]

I would prefer a cross between these.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Jason141/vvcopy.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Jason141/vvvv.jpg

and you know how they gradually make tiny changes to spidey's costume for each movie. I think Venom will bein two movies and they should gradually change him to a cross between these two
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Jason141/closeup.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Jason141/venomhead.jpg

and when he gets hit in the face, I think for a second his face should become distorted for a second, and then go back to normal like this.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Jason141/vvvvvvv.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Jason141/mypictures001.jpg I personally think those pictures posted by the thread starter suck. I would really hate for Venom to look like that.

[Toren]

Angry much?

Personally I think the pictures you posted weren't anything special. I hate the look of the jaw, the face, and frankly, there's no way I could see them working in context of the movie.

The only one I could really see in context would be the original.

[Mister C]

the original all the way.

[Arcturus]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/mistermalice/AmazSpid316.jpg

[Toren]

Yea, I posted that in another thread. I probably should have just used all covers instead of pages from the books.

[Jason Martell]

Angry much?

Personally I think the pictures you posted weren't anything special. I hate the look of the jaw, the face, and frankly, there's no way I could see them working in context of the movie.

The only one I could really see in context would be the original.

Dude if they can make an action figure look like that, then they can make him look like that on the big screen, and that probably is the most popular look of Venom, even though I doubt there has ever been a real poll to look into it.
The original wouldn't even look as cool as Dock OCk, Vulture, Sandman, or MTV Electro, Lizard. The original Venom is in the same league as movie Green Goblin.

Besides you even said you liked Ultimate Venom, two of those are Ultimate Venom.

[Silver Sable]

Original or ultimate

[Gladiator]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/mistermalice/AmazSpid316.jpg
I like this one.

[Gladiator]

I certainly hope they don't make him look anything like the pics Jason posted. They look horrible!! Especially the one of the action figure.

[LightningSpidey]

I think we are going to see a completely different Venom. Raimi will probably change him a bit... Heck the Goblin had a metal mask on...

[Jason Martell]

huh I'm really surprised people feel that way. That time period those are from with the exception of the two Ultimate's, is the time when Venom was at his peak in popularity, and Mark Bagley beame a giant name, partially because of that look he created for Venom. I don't know how old you guys are, but I do know that a lot of older comic book fans prefer the way the villains use to look a long time ago, because that's what they grew up on. Like my Grandpa for example prefers the smaller eyes on Spider-Man, and doesn't even like Venom.

I prefer the larger eyes, and love Venom. But I don't doubt that for non comic fans the venom images I posted are the ones they want to see. The other pictures don't make really unique, he just looks like another monster with teeth.

The aciton figure is Ultimate Venom and it looks a lot cooler when it's not in a picture, especially the head. I mean when you can actually see the figure.

[Demogoblin]

When he gets hit in the face, I think for a second his face should become distorted for a second, and then go back to normal like this.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Jason141/vvvvvvv.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Jason141/mypictures001.jpg

Exactly. :up:

[Arcturus]

What the?

Those pics that Jason posted are awsome, Bagleys Venom owns all of you.

Lay off the crack-cocaine m'kay?

[Gladiator]

I prefer the larger eyes, and love Venom. But I don't doubt that for non comic fans the venom images I posted are the ones they want to see.
And you became the Official Spokesperson for the masses when???:confused:

[Silver Sable]

Edit

[Galvatron]

What the?

Those pics that Jason posted are awsome, Bagleys Venom owns all of you.

Lay off the crack-cocaine m'kay?

Agreed, those are awsome designs for Venom.

[Jason Martell]

And you became the Official Spokesperson for the masses when???:confused:

Wow, I'm the official Spkesperson for the masses? When did that happen?

This is awesome!

[Silver Sable]

"Venom"
http://www.babbagepatch.com/images/venom.jpg
anyone like this pic?

[Jason Martell]

Honestly I never claimed to be. I said what I prefer, just like you are entitled to say what you prefer, just like everybody else is allowed to. Why jump on me, out of all the other people posting what they want?

[Jason Martell]

"Venom"
http://www.babbagepatch.com/images/venom.jpg


anyone like this pic?

I like it better than some looks for Venom, but I really don't want the John Kerry, Jay Leno, Venom hybrid chin.
I don't want it sticking out so far ahead of the upper part of his mouth. Plus it would make biting, and talking impossible. Horrible underbite.

[Silver Sable]

Honestly I never claimed to be. I said what I prefer, just like you are entitled to say what you prefer, just like everybody else is allowed to. Why jump on me, out of all the other people posting what they want?

Nobody is jumping on you hun.We are just posting pics of ideas.Calm down

[Jason Martell]

Nobody is jumping on you hun.We are just posting pics of ideas.Calm down

I know I was just talking to Gladiator. I just sensed a lilttle animosity from previous encounters here.

[Silver Sable]

Oh sorry

[Gladiator]

Wow, I'm the official Spkesperson for the masses? When did that happen?
I have no idea when it happened but its obvious when you make statements like this.

But I don't doubt that for non comic fans the venom images I posted are the ones they want to see

Have you actually asked every non-comic fan what they like? Or are you just that presumptuous?

And no animosity here.

[Jason Martell]

I have no idea when it happened but its obvious when you make statements like this.



Have you actually asked every no-comic fan what they like? Or are you just that presumptuous?

And no animosity here.

How is it obivous? We were asked which do we prefer, so I said which one I prefer, and said that I was surprised other disageed with me. I didn't imply that my opinion was the only opinion that mattered.
And I said I don't doubt, and added that, that there never was an official poll. dude what is your beef? I had perfectly good reason for believing that, and it's based on comic book sales, and fan reactions at the time that Venom was at his height in popularity. Not to mention most comic book fans have never seen the original Venom, they just think his teeth, and tongue look cool.
Besides it's common sense. Mark Bagley's Venom just looks 1000 times cooler than the original Venom. Of course they are going to prefer that. It's the modern Venom.

[Gladiator]

Thank you, I have my answer.

[Toren]

I'm kinda indifferent on the Ultimate design. I was expecting be wowed when he first came out, but was left kinda with a plain version of Venom.

I think for a normal design, I'd go more with the straight Venom series (the one I posted as Recent). I like the design there the most, but I think for the movies that the best one is the original. Might just be me.

I'll search through the majority of the comics I have for the best one, imo. For the movie, I think simplier is better (and potentially creepier), while the more recent versions make him more into a black Hulk.

[Jason Martell]

I'm kinda indifferent on the Ultimate design. I was expecting be wowed when he first came out, but was left kinda with a plain version of Venom.

I think for a normal design, I'd go more with the straight Venom series (the one I posted as Recent). I like the design there the most, but I think for the movies that the best one is the original. Might just be me.

I'll search through the majority of the comics I have for the best one, imo. For the movie, I think simplier is better (and potentially creepier), while the more recent versions make him more into a black Hulk.

The only real difference is the new Venom is toner, as far as Hulk like goes. They were both huge.
That and the face.

[Spider-Who?]

I have no idea when it happened but its obvious when you make statements like this.



Have you actually asked every non-comic fan what they like? Or are you just that presumptuous?

And no animosity here.
no, its true. thats the best Venom there is.

Accept it.

[Venom'sDad]

Original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-old.jpg

Variation
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-mid.jpg




Personally.....I like the original look, with the variation smile or teeth

[Toren]

If we're going for visceral Venom... here's the latest book released for Venom.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-visceral.jpg

Or a really bad design...
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-bad.jpg

[Jason Martell]

If we're going for visceral Venom... here's the latest book released for Venom.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-visceral.jpg

Or a really bad design...
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-bad.jpg

I love that Carnage. That guy pretty much drew the same Venom that mark Bagley drew, he's just got different drawing style, but he didn't really change the way Venom looks or anything. Every artist has their own style, while some actually draw the chracters differently.

That bottom picture of Venom sucks horribly.

[Gladiator]

no, its true. thats the best Venom there is.

Accept it.
No! How about you just accept the fact that everyone's opinions aren't the same.

[Mister J]

Original

[Toren]

I love that Carnage. That guy pretty much drew the same Venom that mark Bagley drew, he's just got different drawing style, but he didn't really change the way Venom looks or anything. Every artist has their own style, while some actually draw the chracters differently.
True, the only really drastic variation I've ever seen was the one where Venom kills Sandman... where he's lanky with really really long fingers.

I would actually really like to see some drastic changes to the design.

[Jason Martell]

Was that drawn by John Romitia Junior? I actually haven't read the issue where that happens, but I think I remember seeing Romitia JR draw him like that. I hated that look, even though I like romitia JR's style, took a while, but it grew on me, and then I started to love his style. Originally hated it. but my favorite artist is Bagley. I know there are better artists out there, I just like his style. Todd McFarlane, and Jim Lee are serious candidates for the best comic book artist of all time though, in my opinion.

[kiuju2k]

I prefer the original. It doesnt have to be all complex and sci-fi just a big guy in a black suit with teeth will work for me. Then again it doesn't matter just use venom period.

[Spider-Who?]

No! How about you just accept the fact that everyone's opinions aren't the same.
how about you accept your lips on my ass?






:P (just messin with ya)

[deemar325]

I like M.Bagley's Venom, so the ULTVenom.:up:

[Seeker]

One that can do that.

http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Venom/Venom/Large/Venom18.JPG

[Seeker]

Here another question: should Venom wear the spider-symbol on the chest? It made sense because of Secret Wars and stuff, but now...

[Spider-Who?]

yes he will. he aint venom without it. screw that ultimate crap.

[Red X]

a cross between Variation and Recent...but dont make his so huge, we dont need a black hulk running around in SM3.

Agreed :up:

[Seeker]

yes he will. he aint venom without it. screw that ultimate crap.

Ah, so you think that SECRET WARS was better than Ultimate?

Uh huh.

[Toren]

Hell, Ultimate's version was leaps and bounds above Secret Wars. But I do enjoy the Spider symbol on Venom. Not sure if this is specifically but I always took it as the symbiote mocking Spidey by keeping it.

[Frenzy]

I actually agree with Marteel here. Venom should look like this.

Exactly like it - no changes - no tweaks - EXACTLY LIKE THIS.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Jason141/vvcopy.jpg

[ScottishFogg]

i voted "variation" because i think that while McFarlane might have "created" Venom, i think Bagley perfected him (see Amazing and Ultimate). that's the Venom i wanna see.

[Toxin66]

I love the Look of Venom and Carnage in the new 'Venom vs. Carnage' line. The way they were drawn, almost looked "boney" like the costume was and endoskelton...Venom's eyes were slightly raised, and Carnage was exactly like i had always thought he should be. but, i know they will not go that route, but i hope they keep Bagley's version in mind...i mean, come on, the head is not huge, the jaw is not hanging to the floor, and he doesn't even have green slime POURING out of his mouth. And he is big, but human-sized big...not Hulkish by any means.......now if only Toper can Beef-up alittle, (who am i kidding, ALOT! lol)

[The Lizard]

I liked Bagley's Venom best back in the early 90's comics, but the long tongue and green drool thing has gotten old.

For Spider-Man 3, I would prefer the invisible nonexistant Venom. :o

[Red X]

For Spider-Man 3, I would prefer the invisible nonexistant Venom. :o

agreed, i don't know how many times i have to say but venom, needs to be built up

[The Infernal]

My favourite is the recent one from the Venom mini. Though I voted orginal because I think it would work best for the movie. Though I wouldn't mind a cross between that and the variation.

[Jason Martell]

My favourite is the recent one from the Venom mini. Though I voted orginal because I think it would work best for the movie. Though I wouldn't mind a cross between that and the variation.

by work best, do you meant cheapest to make? or be the best. The more rescent Venom's would cost the most to make, but they would definitely be the coolest effect to ever be on screen. The original Venom would not be like this magnificent effect. It would be no more magnificent than if Spider-Man had a mouth. The new Venom is the kind of effect that has never been pulled off, and honestly I don't think they would bring in Venom and make him look that way, and more than they would make Spider-Man have webbing under his armpits.

Raimi said we would see a kind of effect that's never been seen before.

[Spider-Who?]

yes. **** the ultimate line. i hate it.

[The Infernal]

by work best, do you meant cheapest to make? or be the best. The more rescent Venom's would cost the most to make, but they would definitely be the coolest effect to ever be on screen. The original Venom would not be like this magnificent effect. It would be no more magnificent than if Spider-Man had a mouth. The new Venom is the kind of effect that has never been pulled off, and honestly I don't think they would bring in Venom and make him look that way, and more than they would make Spider-Man have webbing under his armpits.

Raimi said we would see a kind of effect that's never been seen before.

Cheaper and easier mainly. It would cost lest and involve less of a hassle with CGI and prosthetics. You could actually have two of the actors in the same room as opposed to the Spidey/stuntman mimicing being throttled by a hand that can reach around his head easily.

That and if we were presented with a bad guy that is similar to Spider-man in many respects then it would probably look better if he were of a similar size. I would still like to see him a bit bulkier than Spidey though. Also I'm not too sure on the mouth though. I love it in the comics but I'm not sure how Raimi would do it in the movie.

[Batman333]

Probably Ultimate

[Fathermithras]

"yes. **** the ultimate line. i hate it."

Since it's the most popular line, I'd think they'd be smarter to go with it. Besides the Venom in the ultimate line (who btw, DOES now have the spider) is light years ahead of the idiotic secret wars alien costume grafted onto a guy who wan to murder spider-man for stopping a serial killer. 616 Venom looked cool, (Best by Bagley) but was always a **** idea. Ultimate Venom was brilliant.

[rscal]

Darn it i voted for variation before i knew what variation met. i thought you meant something like the original but change of history or something. darnit i like the original the best hate the tongue and slimey one.

[Jason Martell]

"yes. **** the ultimate line. i hate it."

Since it's the most popular line, I'd think they'd be smarter to go with it. Besides the Venom in the ultimate line (who btw, DOES now have the spider) is light years ahead of the idiotic secret wars alien costume grafted onto a guy who wan to murder spider-man for stopping a serial killer. 616 Venom looked cool, (Best by Bagley) but was always a **** idea. Ultimate Venom was brilliant.

I don't think they will go with that origin, because then they would have to tie it to Spidey's parents. I honestly believe it will be along the lines of the 90's cartoon origin. I don't know why else they would have John back for part 3, although it could just be for the purpose of messing with MJ's relationship. Although the Chameleon could totally pretend to be MJ making out with John in front of Peter.

[Spidey-Jason]

Something like this(from Erik larsen)

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,332.jpg

[Ultimate Doom]

Something like this(from Erik larsen)

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,332.jpg

That is awesome. i love this one! :up:

[Arcturus]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/mistermalice/Art10514.jpg

[venomous]

yes. **** the ultimate line. i hate it.
Why? I think it looks just as good as any other Venom. Ultimate or not, Bagley drew the best!

Ultimate Venom
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/295/bothpages3ih.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Ultimate Doom]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/mistermalice/Art10514.jpg

Thats so cool :up: , who is that in there? vin diesel?

[tamron]

I definitely want them to base Venom of Bagley's design. That's the best intrepretation of him to me. I love all of Mark's Spider-Man work.

[Jason Martell]

Cheaper and easier mainly. It would cost lest and involve less of a hassle with CGI and prosthetics. You could actually have two of the actors in the same room as opposed to the Spidey/stuntman mimicing being throttled by a hand that can reach around his head easily.

That and if we were presented with a bad guy that is similar to Spider-man in many respects then it would probably look better if he were of a similar size. I would still like to see him a bit bulkier than Spidey though. Also I'm not too sure on the mouth though. I love it in the comics but I'm not sure how Raimi would do it in the movie.

The Venom I posted in the pictures is only supposed to be like a couple inches taller than Spider-Man, in costume 6 inches would be the most. He's not like the same size as the Hulk or anything.

[Jason Martell]

Ultimate all the way. Perhaps when Spider-Man is wearing the symbiote they could have a scene kind of like the one from that Ultiamte comic, but of course it's not with the guy that killed Uncle Ben. But during that time when Spider-Man all the sudden has him look like Venom, have him look like the original Venom. But when Brock wears it, have it look like Ultimate Venom.

[str8raz0r]

As long as it's not Erik Larsen's later venom design, with the lower jaw sticking out like an ironing board, I say it's cool.

Hey, Larsen's looked all right in the comic page, but in three dimensions, it'd look too damn silly.

[Jason Martell]

As long as it's not Erik Larsen's later venom design, with the lower jaw sticking out like an ironing board, I say it's cool.

Hey, Larsen's looked all right in the comic page, but in three dimensions, it'd look too damn silly.

I agree with every single word in that post. Also if he ever closed his mouth, he would bite off his lower jaw. Horrible underbite, and talking would look horribly unrealistic.

[kiuju2k]

Thats true I would stick with McFarlane. His is and always will be the best.

[Jason Martell]

I think the reason original is winning, might be because some people actually think the Mark Bagley Venom is the original.

[Toren]

Why? I think it looks just as good as any other Venom. Ultimate or not, Bagley drew the best!

Ultimate Venom
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/295/bothpages3ih.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Technically, if I remember right, that is actually Peter in the suit at that point, not Eddie.

[Jason Martell]

Bagley rules! Even though Todd McFarlane was the bigger name, and revolutionized the way Spider-Man was drawn, (that's what people say, but I don't feel so sure) mark Bagley gave the spidey comis the best look in my opinion. I love his style!

I totally felt like for the movies they made Spider-Man's look John Romitia SR, with a hint of Mark Bagley.

[Jason Martell]

Bagley rules! Even though Todd McFarlane was the bigger name, and revolutionized the way Spider-Man was drawn, (that's what people say, but I don't feel so sure) mark Bagley gave the spidey comis the best look in my opinion. I love his style!

I totally felt like for the movies they made Spider-Man's look John Romitia SR, with a hint of Mark Bagley.

[kiuju2k]

I know. I still think McFarlanes is the best. Clearly.

[Jason Martell]

I know. I still think McFarlanes is the best. Clearly.

i think McFarlane is the better artist, because of his detail. but I think Mrk Bagley's style is more in tune with the feel of Spider-Man. And I also think Mark Bagley ahs more creative artistic talent. he created so many different looks for so many characters, even invented costumes for certain characters, like verybody involved with the clone saga, and even created the original costume design for Carnage.

[Spidey-Jason]

IMO,Bagley is a lot more talented than McFarlane and his Venom design is superior either:spidey:

[venomous]

Technically, if I remember right, that is actually Peter in the suit at that point, not Eddie.

Yup, but it's still a kick ass Venom design! ;)

[venomous]

IMO,Bagley is a lot more talented than McFarlane and his Venom design is superior either:spidey:

Amen to that brother! :up:

[The Infernal]

The Venom I posted in the pictures is only supposed to be like a couple inches taller than Spider-Man, in costume 6 inches would be the most. He's not like the same size as the Hulk or anything.

I thought you were talking about the large Venom in post that started this thread, which is my favourite but I don't think it would work.

[The Top Hat]

Even if it might not make sense depending on the origin, I'd like Venom to still have the spider symbol on his chest.

[Ultra-Spidey]

Well if Venom ever gets put in a movie I got the perfect look for him, IMO. Since I don't know how to post pics i'm gonna have to ask one of you guys to see if you can get the pics and post them.

Has anyone ever seen the 13' Randy Bowen sculpted VENOM statue??? Its a full body statue where he is standing on top of some bricks/debris and below behind him Spidey is covered/hiding from Venom. IMO that is EXACTLY how I would picture Venom in 3D form.

If anyone can post pics of it, please do. Perfect looking Venom brought to life, IMO.

[Seeker]

I don´t want a spider symbol. Maybe something that RESEMBLES a spider could be more acceptable.

[Webslinger420]

I was always a fan of this picture. And you really dont see it all the often. SO i got it tattooed on me too.

http://www.spiderman-fan.de/pics/venom.jpg

[Asteroid-Man]

a mix of variation and original

[daveswb]

What is the difference between variation and other? I chose other. it's not that I prefer a different Venom, it's just I know that's what we'll get.

What I’m saying is Ock and Goblin didn’t really look like their comic book counterparts. But in actuality that’s a good thing. Why? Well, because with the unique takes on the characters, the movies have had thus far, it helps separate them from the comic books and put them in their own universe.

My guess is that they will do a story where Peter has the symbiote first and thus it will have the spider symbol on it. I think that they won’t have him really large like the books. He’ll be the same size as spider man thus giving more of the feel that he is the evil counter part of Spidey. He’ll have a mouth I think, but not right away, and maybe not all the time. I really think with the way rami has been telling the stories his going to want it to be that Venom is the opposite of Spidey and that he’ll have a lot of the same characteristics. Just my opinion

[Jason Martell]

Ock didn't always look the same in the comics, but there were times when he looked how he did in the movie, and Spider-Man looks dead on.

[Frenzy]

There's no reason for them to defer from Venoms image there really isn't. The CGI is good enough and the prosthetics are good enough so to change Venoms appaearance would just be suicidal. I believe this movie will make or break Raimi in the hearts of the true Spidey fans out there becasue he let it slip with SM2 (although Ock and Spidey were spot on the story was uninteresting in places too often).

[Jason Martell]

I honestly don't know how you guys can say that. The whole losing his powers, his life being screwed up, Octavius, becoming Dock Ock was all great story. The charcter development of Aunt May I thought was really impressive, and weird as it sounds, I thought some scenes had real emotion to them, like when he's talking to Uncle Ben, or the "There's a hero in all of us" scene, or the part where Peter turns to Dock Ock for help at the end. And Harry' set up, wasn't just a set up, it was story, in my opinion. I think Sam is doing an excellent job, and I respect the fact, that comic book movies are probably the most difficult kind of movie to make. I think with bigger budgets and more time, Sam could have made them a little better, but only had the studio anticipated the success. He didn't know ahead of time that there would most likely be 6 movies.

[Frenzy]

I hope there are 6 movies and then we will get the full picture of Raimi's original intention but I'm afraid of what might happen in SM3 I really am. Sandman worries the hell out of me because he was never that successful in the comics nevermind in a movie. Why oh why not just use Venom this time around eh? I'm sure I'll change my tune once I see the teaser with Spidey looking so good again but for now I remain unimpressed by it all.

You got to admit there are times in SM2 you could of been watching cheap porn!!!!!! And I actually liked the 'hero in all of us speech' very much indeed. Harry's set up worries me too. It's going to be dissappointing if he becomes the GG2 because it's 'another' Goblin but it'll be tiresome if they drag his revenge on Spidey out past SM3. We win we lose - we lose we lose..

[Jason Martell]

I know you want him to die in part 3, but I don't. Even though I want this to be the last movie, where he is a villain. In the comic book Harry eventually did come down with some sort of amnesia, and he no longer remembered that Peter is Spider-Man, and he didn't remember being the Green Goblin. I think they should do that as a side story in part 4, and I belive that some time after part 3, Harry should suddenly remember and sacrificie himself to save Spider-Man. It could add heart to a movie, which I think will be difficult to maintain, over and over again. Especially when we get Carnage. It will be so much action, and this could add heart.

[Frenzy]

Carnage? I was with you until that.

[Jason Martell]

What I'm saying is, okay at the end of part 4, Harry could suddenly remember that he had been the Green Goblin. You know that in part 5, you know they go with something kind of like Maximum Carnage, but don't bring in Doppleanger, or Shriek(I think that was her name< or Black Cat( I think she was in that) But Venom could be killed Carnage, and when it looks like Spider-Man is about to die at the hands of Carnage, Green Goblin could come out of nowhere and sacrifice himself to take out Carnage. I mainly say that, because I think otherwise that movie would lack heart.

but a fight between Venom and CArnage would look incredibly awesome. their symbiote's could be getting all tangles and everything. I totally got this mental image, of helicopters everywhere, buildings on fire, kayass in the streets, one big trashed new york, basically a bunch of Carnage.

[Frenzy]

OK - I'm confused as hell but OK.

[Morgoth]

Original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-old.jpg

Variation
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-mid.jpg

These two.

[tamron]

Well if Venom ever gets put in a movie I got the perfect look for him, IMO. Since I don't know how to post pics i'm gonna have to ask one of you guys to see if you can get the pics and post them.

Has anyone ever seen the 13' Randy Bowen sculpted VENOM statue??? Its a full body statue where he is standing on top of some bricks/debris and below behind him Spidey is covered/hiding from Venom. IMO that is EXACTLY how I would picture Venom in 3D form.

If anyone can post pics of it, please do. Perfect looking Venom brought to life, IMO.

This?

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/754/venomstatue17vs.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5499/venomstatue22dg.jpg

[Silver Sable]

[quote=Morgoth]Original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-old.jpg


I don't get this.How can Spidey still have the black costume here if Eddie has it now? :confused:

[Jason Martell]

[quote=Morgoth]Original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-old.jpg


I don't get this.How can Spidey still have the black costume here if Eddie has it now? :confused:

Because his reb and blue suit was ruined. That black costume there is just black spandex.

[Dr Doom]

What I'm saying is, okay at the end of part 4, Harry could suddenly remember that he had been the Green Goblin. You know that in part 5, you know they go with something kind of like Maximum Carnage, but don't bring in Doppleanger, or Shriek(I think that was her name< or Black Cat( I think she was in that) But Venom could be killed Carnage, and when it looks like Spider-Man is about to die at the hands of Carnage, Green Goblin could come out of nowhere and sacrifice himself to take out Carnage. I mainly say that, because I think otherwise that movie would lack heart.

but a fight between Venom and CArnage would look incredibly awesome. their symbiote's could be getting all tangles and everything. I totally got this mental image, of helicopters everywhere, buildings on fire, kayass in the streets, one big trashed new york, basically a bunch of Carnage.
WHAT'S "KAYASS"?

AND CARNAGE WILL NEVER BE IN A SPIDER-MAN MOVIE. EVER!

[Jason Martell]

WHAT'S "KAYASS"?

AND CARNAGE WILL NEVER BE IN A SPIDER-MAN MOVIE. EVER!

How do you know? It's not like studios don't ever make R-rated movies, and they don't even need to make it R. Remember Ock ripping off the Doc's arm. It's easy to pull off.

[Dr Doom]

THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND CARNAGE IS THAT HE IS A HOMICIDAL MANIAC. NO MATTER HOW YOU SHOOT IT, HE WILL BE KILLING PEOPLE.

AND THE STUDIOS WILL NEVER MAKE AN R RATED SPIDER-MAN MOVIE.

[Toren]

What is the difference between variation and other? I chose other. it's not that I prefer a different Venom, it's just I know that's what we'll get.

What I’m saying is Ock and Goblin didn’t really look like their comic book counterparts. But in actuality that’s a good thing. Why? Well, because with the unique takes on the characters, the movies have had thus far, it helps separate them from the comic books and put them in their own universe.

My guess is that they will do a story where Peter has the symbiote first and thus it will have the spider symbol on it. I think that they won’t have him really large like the books. He’ll be the same size as spider man thus giving more of the feel that he is the evil counter part of Spidey. He’ll have a mouth I think, but not right away, and maybe not all the time. I really think with the way rami has been telling the stories his going to want it to be that Venom is the opposite of Spidey and that he’ll have a lot of the same characteristics. Just my opinion
The difference between Variation and Other is that I didn't give a picture for Other, thus allowing people to post their own versions they would like to see on screen.

I'd say that Ock looked very much like the (more recent) versions of Ock. Frankly, my favourite version of Ock was when he had long hair, slicked back, in a black trenchcoat. But that's just me.

I actually really like the idea of Venom having a mouth only part of the time. Kinda like Toxin mostly doesn't have a mouth, but when he gets pissed off... that gets huge! I doubt that if Venom is used that he'll just be the same frame as Spider-man. Part of what attracts people to Venom is how much bigger he is. I'm not saying I want him Hulk or Juggernaut big, just larger than Spider-man.

[Quiest Tonpapa]

For the look, I like McFarlane's version. But I also like the living organism in USM. I would not mind if they did a variation of the two.

I kind of like the white spider logos and the whites on Venom's arms as well, but would that look good on film? Could any version of Venom look good on film?

I saw this weird black ooze form into some guy at the end of a Smallville episode... I THINK it's Braniac, but I haven't been paying attention. To keep the focus back on Spider-man, that black ooze had TV special FX, but it was basically what a symbiote could look like on film.

Keep your stick on the ice

[Jason Martell]

THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND CARNAGE IS THAT HE IS A HOMICIDAL MANIAC. NO MATTER HOW YOU SHOOT IT, HE WILL BE KILLING PEOPLE.

AND THE STUDIOS WILL NEVER MAKE AN R RATED SPIDER-MAN MOVIE.

I don't think they would lose money by it, becaue Carnage would bring such a huge audience. And any teenager can get into a R-rated movie, most of the time. and the 5 year olds, that like the first movie, would be a lot older by then. Plus the tone becoming darker, isn't necesarily a bad thing, because it keeps things fresh.

[Weadazoid]

big Mcfarland fan so,....

OG for me, save the drool and the rows of razor shar teeth for the Lizard, keep Venom human.... but evil

[Seeker]

What if Venom wears a suit that´s EXACTLY like Spidey´s, so he can moider ppl and Spidey gets the blame?

[el brujo138]

THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND CARNAGE IS THAT HE IS A HOMICIDAL MANIAC. NO MATTER HOW YOU SHOOT IT, HE WILL BE KILLING PEOPLE.

AND THE STUDIOS WILL NEVER MAKE AN R RATED SPIDER-MAN MOVIE.

Agreed. If they ever make him they will have to tone him down so much that it wont really be Carnage. Hell I would be surprised if they really are putting Venom in Spider-Man 3, Venom is not kid friendly at all and might scare the crap out of the kids.

Regarding the design of Venom, I prefer the Ultimate design of Venom.

[Quentin Beck]

I'd prefer a mixture of the original and variation venom :) because the original venom in that picture looks to much like a really muscular spider-man so if they give venom a slightly blue/black look and give him that drooling tongue then that would defiently be the Venom I want :)

[Ultimate Doom]

I like this one for spiderman in the symbiote suit

http://www.catskillcomics.com/frenzOA/blackspiderman.JPG

And this one for venom, he looks bad-ass- like all venoms do :spidey:

http://www.catskillcomics.com/frenzOA/venom.JPG

this venom looks alright for topher grace's muscle building...

[Silver Sable]

Sweet! Who drew them?!??!? :)

[Ultimate Doom]

Sweet! Who drew them?!??!? :)

i dont know? thay are very exellent drawings! i found them on this sight here...http://www.catskillcomics.com/frenz.htm

all the drawings are on the bottom of the page :spidey: :up:

[Ultimate Doom]

Sweet! Who drew them?!??!? :)

sry double post

[str8raz0r]

They were done by Ron Frenz, who drew The Mighty Thor for quite a while.

I like his work a lot. It's very Kirby-esque at times.

In the spirit of the thread (and SM3 in general), here's a nice commission piece off the site:

http://www.catskillcomics.com/frenzOA/Spidey-Villians.jpg

Venom's stature is nice and believable (in a film sense), lean but not overly brutish.

[Ultimate Doom]

hey, that would make a good spiderman 3 poster. just take out one of the goblins and put in sandman!

[Frenzy]

I like this one for spiderman in the symbiote suit

http://www.catskillcomics.com/frenzOA/blackspiderman.JPG

And this one for venom, he looks bad-ass- like all venoms do :spidey:

http://www.catskillcomics.com/frenzOA/venom.JPG

this venom looks alright for topher grace's muscle building...

Spot on man. I think this is the way to go for both of them.:up: :)

[Toxin66]

I am still trying to get used to some designs of Venom having "toes". it makes him more "alienish" and more predatory, but i always like the more "realistic" Venoms, realistic in the sense that he stays the same size and shape of the wearer.
The only time, in the movie, that they should have Venom's jaw drop and reveal hundreds of teeth and his big, 'ol slobberin' tongue is in a scene where Brock goes to Peter's house when he is not home and MJ opens the door and Brock gets let in. She turns her back and he morphs into Venom. When she turns around he should be standing there with a big smile and let the jaw drop, and he scares her half to death and leaves her as a message to Peter saying "I can get to you at any place at any time. You cannot stop me."
I kind of compare this to The Violator in Spawn. I thought they did a good job explaining that he extends the jaw when he wants to, so he is not always standing there with his mouth hanging open.
This way, Bagley's version could be incorporated with alittle of the Ultimate, when the suit goes insane and lashes all out.

which brings me to another point...alot of response in this thread has people more in favor of the original design/Bagley's design....does this mean in the movie no one really wants to see Tendrils flying all over his body? i always thought the Tendril design was more for Carnage than Venom...Venom rarely ever used the suit to make weapons, more like an occational whip or two...Carnage is more likely to have hundreds of small, thin tendrils swarming over his body, each one a different type of blade so no one could get close to him.

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

I think the Venom would have to be closest to the original, only because I think they are trying to be as realistic as possible.....

[Fathermithras]

Any Venom will do... as long as i get this...

http://www.cuffstuff.com/images/symbiote.JPG

[Silver Sable]

i dont know? thay are very exellent drawings! i found them on this sight here...http://www.catskillcomics.com/frenz.htm

all the drawings are on the bottom of the page :spidey: :up:

Thanks :up:

[Venom'sDad]

I want to see this VENOM......
the VENOM that kicked Spiderman & Superman A$$ at the same time!!!

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/VenomSMs1.jpg

Yeah Baby!!!:eek:

[spyderman2k4]

Wow, I've never seen that. That's amazing.

[Jason Martell]

Personally I think that doesn't really look that good.

I also believe that although SuperMan sucks, if he and Vneom both existed, Superman would fly out of Venom's reach, and give him the old laser eye, and Venom is very sensitive to fire, so laser's probably work the same way, not to mention SuperMan doesn't need to breathe, he could just grab Venom and fly into outer space.

[Venom'sDad]

I'm sorry Jason..... but Superman got his a$$ kicked.... and Spiderman was no help either...... Venom kicked the $h!+ out of both of them........ Sorry man.....

[Ultimate Doom]

that looks cool! superman + spiderman + venom = VENOM!

[Jason Martell]

I'm sorry Jason..... but Superman got his a$$ kicked.... and Spiderman was no help either...... Venom kicked the $h!+ out of both of them........ Sorry man.....

Well yes, but they are fictional characters. It was a story victory, no longer depends on skills, abilities, or powers. It all comes down to who the writer wants to win. That's why I said if they were real.
I could write a story right now, where Aunt May takes on spidey, Venom, and Superman at the same time. That wouldn't mean that if they were real characters she could do that.

[Frenzy]

I like the fact that Super-Boy gets his ass kicked. I hate Superman. He really is one of the most shallow characters ever imagined. I mean a guy who can fly, lift thousands of tons, has lazer vision, x-ray vision, and the worst (but grabted most recognisable) costumes EVER, is always going to be very boring. Superman shows just how good a concept Spider-Man was and still shows it today. But in all honesty nobody should be able to kick SM's ass and that's another reason he's sooooooooooooooo boring.:(

I also agree with Martell, Venom looks odd in that version. The spider on his chest is way over the top and has no flair to it.:(

[Jason Martell]

I also always thought SuperMan was too powerful, for his own good.

You notice the most popular characters in history are Spider-Man and Batman. Batman has no powers, and Spider-Man really isn't that powerful. It's the humanization factor.

[Frenzy]

Agreed Mr Martell:)

[Toren]

I like the fact that Super-Boy gets his ass kicked. I hate Superman. He really is one of the most shallow characters ever imagined. I mean a guy who can fly, lift thousands of tons, has lazer vision, x-ray vision, and the worst (but grabted most recognisable) costumes EVER, is always going to be very boring. Superman shows just how good a concept Spider-Man was and still shows it today. But in all honesty nobody should be able to kick SM's ass and that's another reason he's sooooooooooooooo boring.:(

I also agree with Martell, Venom looks odd in that version. The spider on his chest is way over the top and has no flair to it.:(
Amen to that.

The spider on Venom's chest reminds me of Venom2... but the face is totally different so I guess it was just the artist's crazy representation. That and Venom2 only existed for two issues...

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/venom2/killing.jpg

[str8raz0r]

Amen to that.

The spider on Venom's chest reminds me of Venom2... but the face is totally different so I guess it was just the artist's crazy representation. That and Venom2 only existed for two issues...

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/venom2/killing.jpg

Thank god for that!

[Seeker]

That and Venom2 only existed for two issues...

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/venom2/killing.jpg


And by the looks of that, those two issues were enough to kill Peter Parker pretty much dead. Ouch.

[Seeker]

That and Venom2 only existed for two issues...

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/venom2/killing.jpg


And by the looks of that, those two issues were enough to kill Peter Parker pretty much dead. Ouch.

[Seeker]

That and Venom2 only existed for two issues...

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/venom2/killing.jpg


And by the looks of that, those two issues were enough to kill Peter Parker pretty much dead. Ouch.

[Venom'sDad]

I want to see this VENOM......
the VENOM that kicked Spiderman & Superman A$$ at the same time!!!

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/VenomSMs1.jpg

Yeah Baby!!!:eek:

Well it difinitely looks like he ain't breathing "GK!" ...and using your point of view, in real life, I would think Venom, being from space and all, has the knowledge of Superman weakness to Krytonite, and use it while he 's choking the $h!+ out of him in that picture...... man Aunt May can kill Superman if she had a way to get the Kryto close to him..... I dunno, like a kryto laced .45 caliber..... and because he's faster than a speeding bullet, doesn't mean he can dodge all bullets, just that he is as fast as.... Superman gets hit by bullets, rays, bombs, gamma & sonic blast, etc. all the time, he was not fast enough to dodge those at times. As strong as Venom's web is, he can easily absorb some krytonite, and wrap Superman in krytonite webbing.... and watch him die...... but knowing Venom, he won't wait for that, he would probably bite him, and inject krytonite venom in him, and still be choking the hell out of him.

[Ultra-Spidey]

This?

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/754/venomstatue17vs.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5499/venomstatue22dg.jpg
Thanks thats the one, good looking out Tamron. IMO a movie version of Venom should be modeled EXACTLY after this sculpt.

Well, what do you guys think???

[Toren]

And by the looks of that, those two issues were enough to kill Peter Parker pretty much dead. Ouch.
Wow... triple post, good job, lol.

My favourite little screen I've seen from that issue is when Venom2 lost and had this to say about his host...

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/venom2/death.jpg

When he dropped him to his death.

[Jason Martell]

Well it difinitely looks like he ain't breathing "GK!" ...and using your point of view, in real life, I would think Venom, being from space and all, has the knowledge of Superman weakness to Krytonite, and use it while he 's choking the $h!+ out of him in that picture...... man Aunt May can kill Superman if she had a way to get the Kryto close to him..... I dunno, like a kryto laced .45 caliber..... and because he's faster than a speeding bullet, doesn't mean he can dodge all bullets, just that he is as fast as.... Superman gets hit by bullets, rays, bombs, gamma & sonic blast, etc. all the time, he was not fast enough to dodge those at times. As strong as Venom's web is, he can easily absorb some krytonite, and wrap Superman in krytonite webbing.... and watch him die...... but knowing Venom, he won't wait for that, he would probably bite him, and inject krytonite venom in him, and still be choking the hell out of him.

Venom is no more from outer space than Spider-Man is or I am. They are all from idfferent planets originally. And the odds of Venom's planet origin having anything to do with Superman's are incredible. There are an estimated 500 billion galaxies, each with an estimated 500 billion solar systems. so unless Venom just happens to be from the planet Kryptonite, it wouldn't matter. Besides my 5 year old sister could take SuperMan with kryptonite.

[Venom'sDad]

My point exactly..... Anyone could killed Superman, and given we know his weakness, I would think a being with the knowldge of the universe, here on Earth, would know his weakness as well, and how better to exploit it.

[KALEL114]

Variation all the way.

[Jason Martell]

My point exactly..... Anyone could killed Superman, and given we know his weakness, I would think a being with the knowldge of the universe, here on Earth, would know his weakness as well, and how better to exploit it.

Well spider-Man and Venom could both still kick his ass in box office records! :spidey:

[Venom'sDad]

Well spider-Man and Venom could both still kick his ass in box office records! :spidey:

No doubt.............

[ZER0C00L]

Wow... triple post, good job, lol.

My favourite little screen I've seen from that issue is when Venom2 lost and had this to say about his host...

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/venom2/death.jpg

When he dropped him to his death.

Looks like hes being ass rapped by the symbiote:down

[ElectroFlare]

I wanted to mention something to the person who said that Superman is not fast enough to dodge all of the bullets ect that get shot at him.

He is nearly as fast as the Flash, who funs at the speed of light. Just because he doesn't always display the speed doesnt mean it isnt there.

Supes way of fighting opponents is that he lets them hit him first so he knows how strong they are. And with bullets/lasers or other such objects, he'd rather they hit him then whatever is behind him. He trusts his invulnrability that much.

that being said, I hate superman. Thought Venom should never beat him.

As to thread topic, I like the original Venom best personally...

[spider-jide]

and Spider-Man really isn't that powerful. It's the humanization factor.

Um which spidey books have you been reading? spider-man isn't that powerful is a very naieve comment to make, especially if you consider yourself knowledgable with the mythos.
Contrary to what you think, Martell, spider-man is incredibly powerful obviously not in hulk/thor/superman's class but spider-man is still pretty damn powerful.

[craigaat]

Original all the way to the bank!

[Spider Ranger]

I Think It Should Be The Ultimate Spiderman Venom He More Vicious And Aggresive For F*&^ Sake Have You Even Played Ultimate Spiderman The Game http://www.ultimatespidermangame.com

[Jason Martell]

Um which spidey books have you been reading? spider-man isn't that powerful is a very naieve comment to make, especially if you consider yourself knowledgable with the mythos.
Contrary to what you think, Martell, spider-man is incredibly powerful obviously not in hulk/thor/superman's class but spider-man is still pretty damn powerful.

Well compare him to Professor Xavier, Jean Grey, Storm, the Human Torch, Thing, Fr. Fantastic, Hulk, SuperMan, Suprboy, Spawn, Juggernaut, Cyclops, SandMan, Venom, Carnage, Dock Ock, and a ton of other popular characters, he's not that powerful.

[XSpidercideX]

Well compare him to Professor Xavier, Jean Grey, Storm, the Human Torch, Thing, Fr. Fantastic, Hulk, SuperMan, Suprboy, Spawn, Juggernaut, Cyclops, SandMan, Venom, Carnage, Dock Ock, and a ton of other popular characters, he's not that powerful.

Spider-man is can handle the Human Torch, Doc Ock, Venom, and Carnage.

Not sure about the other ones but with Spider-man is supposedly about 30% stronger than Venom now. He moved up to 15 ton strength, and he is about to get changed a bit more in "the Other" storyline, which is 616, so we'll see what changes those bring.

[XSpidercideX]

Also on the point of Spidey's power, the second movie was really messed up. Any single blow to doc ock should have taken him out instantly. In the comics spidey knocks out normal strength humans by flicking them with his finger.

[lordofthenerds]

I really like the original costume. The other costumes look odd or cheesy.

[Jason Martell]

Spider-man is can handle the Human Torch, Doc Ock, Venom, and Carnage.

Not sure about the other ones but with Spider-man is supposedly about 30% stronger than Venom now. He moved up to 15 ton strength, and he is about to get changed a bit more in "the Other" storyline, which is 616, so we'll see what changes those bring.

Any changes will be temprorary. Marvel learned their lesson from the clone saga. And it was always clear in the comics that Peter was unable to take Venom in a fight, and Venom can't even take Carnage. Maybe he can take Ock. but there is no way he could take the Human Torch. The guy can fly way faster than Spider-Man can swing, because Torch can go in a straight line, and how are you gonna hit somebody on fire? The Torch is more powerful than Spider-Man. Besides when they fought each other a really long time ago, the Human Torch easily defeated him.

You don't know about Professor Xavier? he can can control your mind and make you kill yourself.

[Jason Martell]

Also on the point of Spidey's power, the second movie was really messed up. Any single blow to doc ock should have taken him out instantly. In the comics spidey knocks out normal strength humans by flicking them with his finger.

actually yes you are correct on that. Ock took a ton of punches and didn't even have a bruise on his face.

[Venom160]

I like this one.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/venom160/venom1.jpg

But I think Topher would be able to pull this one off easier.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/venom160/page-323.jpg

[venomous]

This one's one of my favorites.

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/1844/backlashvenomlarge8um.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Toren]

Also on the point of Spidey's power, the second movie was really messed up. Any single blow to doc ock should have taken him out instantly. In the comics spidey knocks out normal strength humans by flicking them with his finger.
One of my favourite scenes in the USM series was when Kraven went to attack Spidey after Spidey's fight with Ock. Spidey jumps at Kraven and punches him, sending him flying into a truck and knocking him out.

Spidey's response... "Oops, I thought he'd be stronger."

[Venom'sDad]

here's another picture of Venom opening a can of Whoop-ass at Superman's expense.


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/VenomSMs2.jpg


oooo.... that gotta hurt......;)

[Won '08]

Venom is no more from outer space than Spider-Man is or I am. They are all from idfferent planets originally. And the odds of Venom's planet origin having anything to do with Superman's are incredible. There are an estimated 500 billion galaxies, each with an estimated 500 billion solar systems. so unless Venom just happens to be from the planet Kryptonite, it wouldn't matter. Besides my 5 year old sister could take SuperMan with kryptonite. The Symbiote, NOT Venom (I'll explain that in a second) is from a planet that was devoured by Galactus. It was plucked up by the Beyonder moments before it's planet's decimation. Now you guys calling the symbiote venom...here's a little knowledge for you lacking Spider-Fans.

Venom, is not the symbiote itself, nor Eddie Brock himself. It is an entirely seperate personality created when the two (Edward Brock, and The Symbiote) Merge in their visceral "battle" appearance. Otherwise the Symbiote and Eddie are two seperate minds, as Venom, they act as one.

And Venom isn't as vulnerable to heat or sonics as he used to be. Just letting you know.

[Won '08]

Well compare him to Professor Xavier, Jean Grey, Storm, the Human Torch, Thing, Fr. Fantastic, Hulk, SuperMan, Suprboy, Spawn, Juggernaut, Cyclops, SandMan, Venom, Carnage, Dock Ock, and a ton of other popular characters, he's not that powerful. Are you being funny? Are you serious? Spider-Man owned the X-Men (sans Xavier and Grey). He beat the snot out of the Fantastic Four during his SECOND ISSUE. He's pounded out the hulk before. I mean....what do you read?

[Won '08]

but there is no way he could take the Human Torch. The guy can fly way faster than Spider-Man can swing, because Torch can go in a straight line, and how are you gonna hit somebody on fire? The Torch is more powerful than Spider-Man. Besides when they fought each other a really long time ago, the Human Torch easily defeated him. After this post of yours...I've come to the conclusion that you're on crack. Drop the glass-penis. It's not healthy.

[Jason Martell]

Are you being funny? Are you serious? Spider-Man owned the X-Men (sans Xavier and Grey). He beat the snot out of the Fantastic Four during his SECOND ISSUE. He's pounded out the hulk before. I mean....what do you read?

He never beat the Hulk, or the Fantastic Four, he only snuck into their base, but then once inside he got caught and imprisoned behind a force field.

Spider-Man developed a theory 2 or 3 years ago as to how he might be able to beath the Hulk, but his theory has never been proven. His theory basically involved running away from the Hulk untill he wasn't the Hulk anymore.

[Venom'sDad]

He never beat the Hulk,


Technically.... he has defeated the Hulk, but it was because he was endoward(possessed) with the power of Captain Universe in a series that ran throughout the entire Marvel World called, "The Act of Vengence". Spiderman became temporarily the most powerful being in the the Marvel Universe. :cool: :up:



http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/AmazSpid328.jpg


With one punch, Spidey knock the Hulk in to the very upper level of the Atmoshpere, nearly killing the Hulk, because the Hulk couldn't breathe at that altitude. Spidey,(who could fly) had to fly up there and get the Hulk(who was in orbit like the shuttle) and save his life. Truely "Amazing" ..... I know. :)

[Spider Ranger]

What About Venom 2099? http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Venom2099/Venom2099.gif

[Alexia Dark]

**** no.

[Spider Ranger]

Your Right Maybe The Original IS BEST :)

[thorstone]

I really think they will go very simple, stick Grace in the costume, no CGI, no giant muscles, and no teeth or tongue unless Conors is involved in the creation of the suit/symbiote.

I'm really only afraid they will make him purple instead of black.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

They have to stick to the right Venom formula: Big bulky muscular, Devious eyes, tongue always hanging out with venom dripping everywhere over his long sharp teeth. Theres no other way to go with venom in sm3 than that.

[XSpidercideX]

One of my favourite scenes in the USM series was when Kraven went to attack Spidey after Spidey's fight with Ock. Spidey jumps at Kraven and punches him, sending him flying into a truck and knocking him out.

Spidey's response... "Oops, I thought he'd be stronger."

That was Ultimate Spiderman too, the real Spidey is about 7.5 times stronger. I remember an old issue where Spidey fought Mysterio. He walked up to him and ficked his helment with his index finger which shattered it and sent Mysterio flying across the room unconcious.

[Ultimate Doom]

That was Ultimate Spiderman too, the real Spidey is about 7.5 times stronger. I remember an old issue where Spidey fought Mysterio. He walked up to him and ficked his helment with his index finger which shattered it and sent Mysterio flying across the room unconcious.

LOL...poor mysterio :O :up:

[Fathermithras]

He never beat the Hulk, or the Fantastic Four, he only snuck into their base, but then once inside he got caught and imprisoned behind a force field.

Spider-Man developed a theory 2 or 3 years ago as to how he might be able to beath the Hulk, but his theory has never been proven. His theory basically involved running away from the Hulk untill he wasn't the Hulk anymore.

Spider-man has bat the Hulk on numerous occasions, and in the issue in question makes the four look like idiots until they eventually manage to capture him because he was goofing around, trying to show them how nifty he was.

apparently you don't read alot of comics.

[Toren]

That was Ultimate Spiderman too, the real Spidey is about 7.5 times stronger. I remember an old issue where Spidey fought Mysterio. He walked up to him and ficked his helment with his index finger which shattered it and sent Mysterio flying across the room unconcious.
Yea, I mentioned it was in USM. Course, ya gotta remember that Spiderman is just a kid in that. Stronger than the average bear, though... lol.

[Venom'sDad]

Before the Hulk, Spiderman put a Beat-Down on Magneto. Mags lifted a huge 8ton craine and hurled it at Spiderman.... and with a mere thought, Spiderman turn the craine into glass while it was hurl in mid air towards him and shattered into little pieces. Again, Spiderman was flying in that episode.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/AmazSpid327.jpg


This one, he had to save the World, against the Tri-Sentinel. All the Marvel Heros had failed, and the fate of the planet rested with Spiderman.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/AmazSpid329.jpg



This is Venom attempting to bond with Superman, but of coarse, Spiderman came and saved Superman. After Spidey caught Venom by surprise, both Spidey & Supes was useless against Venom.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/VenomSMs3.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/VenomSMs4.jpg
:spidey: & :supes:

[Jason Martell]

Spider-man has bat the Hulk on numerous occasions, and in the issue in question makes the four look like idiots until they eventually manage to capture him because he was goofing around, trying to show them how nifty he was.

apparently you don't read alot of comics.

Galactic Spider-Man doesn't count. And the Torch alone has kicked Spider-Man's butt. I even remember when Spidey got his butt kicked by him the first time. He would try and web up the Torch, and the Torch would just burn his webbing. Then either that issue or a few later Spider-Man modified his webbing so it would take longer to ignite. He webbed up Torch and Troch just stood there while Spider-Man was holding onto the web. NOw if their fate wasn't being decided by an Author who is biased, Torch would have just flew away pulling Spider-Man with him. It's not like he can't hold Spider-Man's body weight in the air. Besides the Torch can go Nova. Spider-Man's not stronger than the sun.
And since then Spider-Man's had his butt kicked more than once by the Torch and the HUlk.

It doesn't matter anyways because as long as somebody with a pencil is in charge of who wins it doesn't mean anything. All we can do is speculate as to who would win in a real life situation. I'm sure if you went to a Batman forum, everybody would try to say that Batman could beat Spider-Man in a fight, which is rediculous. Hs fighting style involves sneaking around in the shadows which wont work when you got a spidey sense. Not to mention Spider-Man could just stay high above Batman in the air, out of his reach, and then come down on him hard from above. You can't block Spider-Man's punch for the same reason that you can't block a baseball bat with your arm. there's too much power. And Batman can't hit Spider-Man because Spider-Man is several times faster than Batman, plus he can sense attacks with the Spider-sense.

If they ever make a story where Spider-Man has to fight Batman, the author will probably find a way to make Batman win, because it's more interesting having him win with his brain, wits, and determination, than it is watching a super powered being pound on an ordinary human.

[Venom'sDad]

Galactic Spider-Man doesn't count. And the Torch alone has kicked Spider-Man's butt. I even remember when Spidey got his butt kicked by him the first time. He would try and web up the Torch, and the Torch would just burn his webbing. Then either that issue or a few later Spider-Man modified his webbing so it would take longer to ignite. He webbed up Torch and Troch just stood there while Spider-Man was holding onto the web. NOw if their fate wasn't being decided by an Author who is biased, Torch would have just flew away pulling Spider-Man with him. It's not like he can't hold Spider-Man's body weight in the air. Besides the Torch can go Nova. Spider-Man's not stronger than the sun.
And since then Spider-Man's had his butt kicked more than once by the Torch and the HUlk.

It doesn't matter anyways because as long as somebody with a pencil is in charge of who wins it doesn't mean anything. All we can do is speculate as to who would win in a real life situation. I'm sure if you went to a Batman forum, everybody would try to say that Batman could beat Spider-Man in a fight, which is rediculous. Hs fighting style involves sneaking around in the shadows which wont work when you got a spidey sense. Not to mention Spider-Man could just stay high above Batman in the air, out of his reach, and then come down on him hard from above. You can't block Spider-Man's punch for the same reason that you can't block a baseball bat with your arm. there's too much power. And Batman can't hit Spider-Man because Spider-Man is several times faster than Batman, plus he can sense attacks with the Spider-sense.

If they ever make a story where Spider-Man has to fight Batman, the author will probably find a way to make Batman win, because it's more interesting having him win with his brain, wits, and determination, than it is watching a super powered being pound on an ordinary human.


Good post :up: . Spidey has defeated Hulk one other time before that I know of.... mainly by out-smarting him..... but good post man, I agree 100% with your point. :)

[Toren]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/241.jpg

This might actually turn several votes from Original esque look, lol.

[Venom'sDad]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/241.jpg

This might actually turn several votes from Original esque look, lol.


OK..... I'm turned.....:up:

[Jason Martell]

Good post :up: . Spidey has defeated Hulk one other time before that I know of.... mainly by out-smarting him..... but good post man, I agree 100% with your point. :)

Well yeah that's true, he has defeated a lot of villains that are more powerful than him by using his brain. That's how he defeated the vulture in Amazing Spider-Man 6.
That post was part of the how powerful is he compared to other heroes.

[Venom'sDad]

Well yeah that's true, he has defeated a lot of villains that are more powerful than him by using his brain. That's how he defeated the vulture in Amazing Spider-Man 6.
That post was part of the how powerful is he compared to other heroes.


I know ......:cool:

[Toren]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-slim.jpg

I was just going through Peter Parker: Spiderman and saw this (inside the famed issue where Venom bites Sandman), but figured this was a better pic than the cover showed. I could definately see Topher in the body of this Venom...

[Venom'sDad]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-slim.jpg

I was just going through Peter Parker: Spiderman and saw this (inside the famed issue where Venom bites Sandman), but figured this was a better pic than the cover showed. I could definately see Topher in the body of this Venom...


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/Spiderman114.jpg


:cool:

[Toren]

I think an action shot from inside the comic (like the one I chose) shows better the proportions than the cover did, but I may be wrong.

Guess it all just comes down to personal preference.

[Jason Martell]

I hate the hands looking like that.

[Toren]

I like his body frame better (and even hands in the comic panel, not the cover) for Topher than any of the others. But is it the best Venom design? Definately not.

[Clayface]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/241.jpg

This might actually turn several votes from Original esque look, lol.

I love this. I sure as hell hope that we get something like that, actually. However, I've always liked thinking about a mix between the recent Venom (jagged teeth, tongue isn't everywhere, smaller eyes) and the original Venom (do I need to say it?). An original Venom with the recent Venom's grin would kick ass, to me. Oh, and as for that pic there, make his eyes a little smaller. Then it's damn perfect. You didn't make that, did you? Or is it just a damn good statue or something? I'm confuzzled now...

[Venomfan]

that venom hunched on a rooftop is missing the white on the back of his hands, it really takes away from it for me

[Ultimate Doom]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/thedcproject/venom-slim.jpg

I was just going through Peter Parker: Spiderman and saw this (inside the famed issue where Venom bites Sandman), but figured this was a better pic than the cover showed. I could definately see Topher in the body of this Venom...

Now THATS a venom topher could play :up:

[Silver Sable]

http://images.deviantart.com/i/2002/50/e/8/Venom_in_yo_face.jpg

[Jason Martell]

Did you draw that? I think that's how he should look, except I want the eyes to be more like Ultimate Venom.

[Silver Sable]

I wish I did.I found it on deviantart :up:

[2winged angel]

http://images.deviantart.com/i/2002/42/c/f/Can_Spidey_come_out_to_Play.jpgpersonally i wouldnt mind a lean secret warsy type venom

[Toren]

You didn't make that, did you? Or is it just a damn good statue or something? I'm confuzzled now...
I actually found it in a 3D & Fantasy Art collection (I have 11 of them on my computer), I wish I knew who originally made it.

[GoldGoblin]

What if Raimi makes Eddie Brock Venom,but a guy who just has the same powers as Peter and Eddie Brock just has the same type of costume as Peter just black with a white spider emblem on the chest and back.

Like a evil spider-man twin in a way.Also they would be the same size physically.That would be more realistic in a way and could work.Anyone think Raimi might do it this way?

[Frenzy]

I know what your saying and I think if it was a character designed soley for the movie it would work BUT - Raimi would be literally destroying the Venom we've all grown to love and for me personally would ruin the best villin Spidey could ever face off against.

Maybe the movie Venom could start off that way and 'develop' into the monster he is the comics. That might suit everyone. I actually like the idea that Spideys worst enemy is someone who has his powers but chose a different route, it's almost showing Spidey is his own worst enemy, which if you think about it - HE IS;)

[ninjaspyder13]

Old Bagley Venom. Period.

[Toren]

I know what your saying and I think if it was a character designed soley for the movie it would work BUT - Raimi would be literally destroying the Venom we've all grown to love and for me personally would ruin the best villin Spidey could ever face off against.

Maybe the movie Venom could start off that way and 'develop' into the monster he is the comics. That might suit everyone. I actually like the idea that Spideys worst enemy is someone who has his powers but chose a different route, it's almost showing Spidey is his own worst enemy, which if you think about it - HE IS;)
The thing I liked so much about Venom was his ability to get past Spidey's "Spider-Sense," but since that has barely been used in the movies (when it has, it has been for awhile)... I just hope that they can show it off more in this movie.

I can definitely see the draw to that approach, but we need the monstrous aspect - not just another Spiderman who happens to be evil.

[Frenzy]

;) true.

[lordvego]

there are way too many replies to read.. so i dont know if this has been said, but i think venom has to be primal... a lot of people are making venom too weak. I know he is supposed to be realistic being that it's a movie, but this is one character they can afford to make a bit fake, dont you think?

anyway, as i was saying before.. venom has to be very animalistic, but that's just character. for the look, you need to know that he is not a normal creature, and that he can do what he wants, but is still with the limitation that he is a symbiot. what i am trying to say is that he should be huge, he should have that sharp and dangerous smile, and should be horrifying..

i had so much more in my head..where'd that go

[Frenzy]

I do agree that we don't want another 'Juggernaut' situation. X-Men 3's director should be dammed to hell for that 'attempt', if you can call it that, of recreating old Jugs!!!!!!!:(

If they can't do Venom properly - then don't ****ing do him at all. Please for the love of God don't get a crappy English ex-footballer to play another Super-Villain ever, ever again. I think the bitterness of the 'Juggernaut' thing has ruined X-Men for me. Why put him in if they can't do him justice?

Sorry - Venom should be Venom. And if not, not at all:)

[Toren]

there are way too many replies to read.. so i dont know if this has been said, but i think venom has to be primal... a lot of people are making venom too weak. I know he is supposed to be realistic being that it's a movie, but this is one character they can afford to make a bit fake, dont you think?

anyway, as i was saying before.. venom has to be very animalistic, but that's just character. for the look, you need to know that he is not a normal creature, and that he can do what he wants, but is still with the limitation that he is a symbiot. what i am trying to say is that he should be huge, he should have that sharp and dangerous smile, and should be horrifying..

i had so much more in my head..where'd that go
Venom too weak? In the comics, he's taken on the Hulk (and I believe he won, not sure though) so I'd have to say he'd have to be toned down a little. That being said, I still want him to be able to get past Spidey's spider-sense... I'm imagining another tense "hunt" like Norman getting really close to Peter (remember when Peter is right above Norman and is bleeding - that was tense), but with Venom getting close to MJ or coming out of the darkness behind Peter and pushing him into danger, like the first two appearances of "Venom" before we knew who he was.

What version of the comics would you have him be? That is kinda the point of the topic after all.

[lordvego]

ah! that's what i forgot! I wanted to have him be a mix of the gruesomeness of the ultimate version mixed with the more recent variation (the second picture on page 1) because, as you said, he can be toned down a bit... not too much though!

[Mr. Socko]

A mix between Variation and Original

[Toren]

If they can't do Venom properly - then don't ****ing do him at all. Please for the love of God don't get a crappy English ex-footballer to play another Super-Villain ever, ever again. I think the bitterness of the 'Juggernaut' thing has ruined X-Men for me. Why put him in if they can't do him justice?

Sorry - Venom should be Venom. And if not, not at all:)
Well, I can already tell that Venom is being changed by Raimi... I'm just glad that didn't bring in a Wrestler or anything like that to play Brock... that would have ruined it for me.

[Venomsixx]

I say that he has the long tounge like in Varation, but can stick it back in. So he can switch off between varation and original.

[Ultimate Doom]

http://www.direct.ca/bigpetes/venom.jpg

This venom

[Silver Sable]

That's Bagley's version

[Ultimate Doom]

ya i like bagleys venom's the best

[sexy_arsenator]

They should use the face on the variation venom with about the size of Schwarzenegger. It would look bad if he was a giant.

[ObakeTora]

i voted variant for the simple fact that we have the technology to pull it off.

[MartellMan]

ya i like bagleys venom's the best

so do I.

[Ultimate Doom]

http://www.creatstudio.com/images/anim11/anim_7.jpg

I also like this venom

[ObakeTora]

http://www.creatstudio.com/images/anim11/anim_7.jpg

I also like this venom


Spidey:: Whoa! I gotta lay off the shrooms!

[Venom'sDad]

I personally like this look for VENOM

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/Venom.gif

http://www.direct.ca/bigpetes/venom.jpg

:)

[Cyclops3235]

it would be easiet if topher gracxe is venom, to do a digital ultiamte venom, to kinda cover topher. i personally like a bigger venom.

[crazysoonerfan2]

venom will not be in the movie.
just my opinion.
i think the movie sets him up.
we will only see the black suit.

[Toren]

venom will not be in the movie.
just my opinion.
i think the movie sets him up.
we will only see the black suit.
Too bad you missed the point of the conversation. Which Venom would you prefer if he was in the movie.

[Venomsixx]

Varation or orginal is good for me!

Ultimate would be, well, ok...






NOT THE NEW VENOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cinemaman]

I want to see some mix of original and ultimate Venom with a great CGI effects.

[Venomsixx]

http://www.digitalmedusa.com/adresnick/gallery/thomas1.jpg

http://www.digitalmedusa.com/adresnick/gallery/romita2.jpg

These Venoms would fit Topher

[Mark and Marvel]

The original Venom fits Topher Grace the best, no question. What do you think Venom will look like in the actual movie, though? I keep trying to picture him CGed, but I can't get it just right.
What would really be awesome, though, is if they used kind of a rubber costume latex (like they used for Ron Perlman in "Hellboy") for Venom and CGI. That would be so friggin' awesome, dude!
:) :spidey:

[Silver Sable]

http://www.digitalmedusa.com/adresnick/gallery/thomas1.jpg

http://www.digitalmedusa.com/adresnick/gallery/romita2.jpg

These Venoms would fit Topher

These pics are cool but Venom is supposed to be more muscular then slim

[Batman911]

original

[Toren]

Wow, brought back from the dead. :eek:

Venom is supposed to be more muscular then slim
There are a few incarnations of Venom (I think I posted one earlier in the thread, but *shrugs*) that have him slim, lanky... if anything I see Raimi using that for Venom.

[Toren]

http://www.digitalmedusa.com/adresnick/gallery/thomas1.jpg

http://www.digitalmedusa.com/adresnick/gallery/romita2.jpg

These Venoms would fit Topher
If these would show up (I had to manually enter them in), then definitely.

[Silver Sable]

There are a few incarnations of Venom (I think I posted one earlier in the thread, but *shrugs*) that have him slim, lanky... if anything I see Raimi using that for Venom.

I know but I prefer him bulky

[Venomsixx]

I do too.


But that Venom fits Topher best.

[Toren]

Unfortunately this may be what we're getting... if nothing else, it's a good counter to people who say that Topher could never be Venom... as is the pic I have of the redheaded normal build of Brock.

[Amazing Spidey]

how 'bout topher playing this venom :rolleyes:

http://www.meteorcity.net/images/spidey/mc_anim_venom2.gif

LoL just kidding

[pacmaster3000]

I picked oringinal, but even with oringinal,Topher still needs to bulk up a little bit more.

[pacmaster3000]

Oops! I spelled original wrong.

[Venomsixx]

You also double posted

[BatJeff7786]

(Sorry if this is already answered)

Is Topher Grace OFFICIALLY announced as Venom in the film?

[the Firestarter]

the costume should start off looking like the original... but as venom becomes more & more consumed he should start taking on the traits of the newer versions.

[Toren]

Not officially. Course, Sandman wasn't even announced... he just showed up on the site. So far, we're going off of Dunst's slippage and Franco's subsequent stating that she got in trouble for the slip.

[pacmaster3000]

You also double postedSorry for that,too.

[Riven]

Combine the best bits of each incarnation...

[Visionary]

I would go with this design for the movie version, but I would also use Todd McFarlane's Spidey and Venom art action panels of the comic books, to further the intense battle between them.:cool:
http://actuacine.net/concept-art/venom-big.jpg

[Alex_Spider]

hi evereyone!I' m Alex_Spider and i would love to see venom in a future spiderman, but only if done in a way he moves kinda stealthy, staying in the shadows and not just being a monstrous creature running around destroying things.I think the original venom would be a great figure for a movie.I believe it's better to have a clever and intimidating venom rather than a mindless, speechless hulk thing for a spiderman movie.

[Spider-Bite]

I would go with this design for the movie version, but I would also use Todd McFarlane's Spidey and Venom art action panels of the comic books, to further the intense battle between them.:cool:
http://actuacine.net/concept-art/venom-big.jpg

I like it except the face. He should have sharper teeth, and be scarier.

[NHawk19]

For the movie I went with other. Venom has to be workable and that I think would require a mixture of the 3

[Visionary]

I like it except the face. He should have sharper teeth, and be scarier.
He does have sharp teeth, but it's not so obvious like a shark, but more like a killer whale. And that damn thing is scary! :o

[craigaat]

how 'bout topher playing this venom :rolleyes:

http://www.meteorcity.net/images/spidey/mc_anim_venom2.gif

LoL just kidding

What on Earth is that abomination?

[Silver Sable]

It was Venom's design in that crappy Spider-Man Unlimited show :o

[craigaat]

I've never even heard of it