Official Fans of Reilly Thread

[WOLVERINE25TH]

http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/3352/cwo5ix.jpg


This is the thread for us; the few, the proud, the fans of Ben Reilly! That's right, this is a thread by his fans, FOR his fans. If you hated the Clone Saga, this thread ain't for you. There are countless other threads around bashing it and you'd probably be happier there. This is STRICTLY for those of us who thought the good outweighed the bad to give us an open forum to discuss the best webhead ever nearly 10 years after his wrongful demise.

Fans of Reilly, you may enter!

THE OFFICIAL CHECKLIST:
This is every issue of the Clone Saga, including mini-series, one-shots and related tie-ins. If Ben Reilly or Kaine appeared in it, it's here.

Amazing Scarlet Spider #s 1 & 2
Amazing Spider-Man vol. 1 #s 14, 31, 37, 39-40, 53, 121 & 122, 129, 136, 144 -151, 391, 393-418, 435
Amazing Spider-Man Annual ’96
Amazing Spider-Man Super Special #1
Avengers vol. 1 #400
Backlash/Spider-Man #1-2
Daredevil vol. 1 #354
DC Versus Marvel #s 1 & 4
Giant-Size Spider-Man #5
Green Goblin #s 1, 3, 10 & 13
Marvel Annual Report 1995
Marvel Fanfare vol. 2 #3
Marvel Versus DC #s 2 & 3
Marvel Milestone Edition Amazing Spider-Man #s 129, 149, 150 (reprints)
Marvel Tales #s 9, 24, 29, 38, 98 & 99, 106, 113, 121& 122, 126-128, 192, 209 (reprints)
Maximum Clonage Alpha
Maximum Clonage Omega
New Warriors vol. 1 #59, 61-67, 70-71
Scarlet Spider #s 1 & 2
Scarlet Spider Unlimited #1
Sensational Spider-Man #s 0-11
Sensational Spider-Man Mini-Comic
Spectacular Scarlet Spider #s 1 & 2
Spectacular Spider-Man vol. 1 #s 25-31, 68, 142 & 143, 149, 200, 215-240
Spectacular Spider-Man Annual # 8
Spectacular Spider-Man Super Special #1
Spider-Man vol. 1 #s 48-75
Spider-Man vol. 2 #s 27 & 28
Spider-Man Holiday Special 1995
Spider-Man Super Special #1
Spider-Man Team-Up #s 2-6
Spider-Man Unlimited #s 7-14, 17
Spider-Man: 101 Ways to End the Clone Saga #1
Spider-Man: Dead Man’s Hand #1
Spider-Man/Punisher: Family Plot #s 1 & 2
Spider-Man: Funeral For an Octopus #s 1-3
Spider-Man: Lost Years #0-3
Spider-Man: Redemption #s 1-4
Spider-Man: The Final Adventure #1-4
Spider-Man: The Jackal Files #1
Spider-Man: The Osborn Journal #1
Spider-Man: The Parker Years #1
Thunderbolts Annual ‘97
Ultraforce/Spider-Man
Uncanny X-Men #339
Venom Super Special #1
Venom: Along Came A Spider #s 1-4
Venom: The Hunted #1
Web of Scarlet Spider #s 1-4
Web of Spider-Man #s 114-129
Web of Spider-Man Super Special #1
What If…? Vol. 1 #30
What If…? Vol. 2 #86
X-Men/Spider-Man #3

Official checklist cultivated from Spiderfan.org, Samruby.com and with the help of some SHH posters.Sp

[Citizen_Kaine]

Nice use of the banner Wolvie :up:, we'll probably get moved to the Spidey World thread, but until than it's Clone World Order. For life

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/images/clonewebs.jpg

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/Pictures/spiderclone.jpg

http://darkben2.free.fr/images/galeries/images/artistes/bell/scarletspid.jpg

http://users.uniserve.com/~bryant/reilly/pictures/duo.gif

http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/images/3/3e/ScarletSpider1.JPG

[Scarlet-Spider1]

http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/ScarletSpider/Large/ScarletSpider2.JPG

:D

[WOLVERINE25TH]

So, Reilly Fans, lemme put this to ya; what subplots durin' Ben's run would you have liked to seen go on? Ya know, all th' stuff that died with th' character.

[imdaly]

The Daily Grind crew.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I hate wrestling with a passion, so I can't say that banner is my favorite thing in the world.

;)

[Citizen_Kaine]

Blame me, I was part of the Wrestlecrap World Order back in the day :D

And yeah daily grind crew especially with Desiree :up: , maybe some plots with Ben interacting with little May (Last minute baby sitter?),

We all know that Marvel will bring Reilly back one day as some revenge crazed lunatic who'll cross the line that Peter dares not touch. But I'm thinking until than maybe Defalco should use him in Spidergirl, I know he's got a kid with Jeanine (Who I reallllllllllly hope, is the character from the Parkers past, thats gonna show up in issue 93) But hell its in an alternate universe, and Mayday could use a new mentor, now that Phil's been Goblified.

[Scarlet-Spider1]

We all know that Marvel will bring Reilly back one day as some revenge crazed lunatic
Hopefully!

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Well, I was gonna go with another banner but I couldn't find a Spidey font other than th' movie.

[Fathermithras]

I personally loved how they handeled the relationship between the two. Reilly was clearly a different person then Peter, who'd lived a different life and had different views and experiences. Regardless, they formed a bond in time that was as close as brothers that only really got to shine in the last few issues with him alive.

[Rez]

Ah, about time someone made a thread for us. I would have done it, but given my limited post count and even lower credibility....

As for Reilly, I was thinking about him quite a bit today.
Going over things in my head, ways new stories could be introduced to the 616 that harkened back to Rielly.
I would love to see him come back, and it WOULD be very easy. His death went against all continuity of clone degeneration, and the man that was impaled on the glider could be passed off as a clone.
However, I don't see that happening any time soon, at least not until one of us or Defalco gets to writing a core book.
One thing I did think of that I personally love, would be a daily grind person stumbling upon Peter one day, and thinking that it was Ben. The opposite of what happened with Ben a few times.
Really, to think of all the supporting charecters running around back then. You had most of Peter's co workers and friends, and then the new group surrounding Reilly. It was fantastic. And now, prior to Peter joining the NA, there was almost no supporting cast.
So many great people, all just brushed under the carpet and never mentioned since.
Here's hoping we see some soon.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Eh, ya shoulda made a thread an' we'da been behind ya.

Along with what you've all said, I'da liked to know what happened to Jessica Carradine. She's spent all her life hatin' Spidey fer "killing" her father, but then forgives him just in time to disappear. Some closure there would be nice.

[Rez]

Yeah. But then again, closure with a lot of the stuff back then would be nice.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Whats the deal with the Jackal returning over in Daredevil / Punisher? Anyone got any info on that. Seems kinda strange that if the Jackal actually came back he'd have plans that didn't involve Peter Parker in anyway shape or form

[WOLVERINE25TH]

No, they never explained it. He was just there.

[imdaly]

Oh, and to add to the Daily Grind group....how about we get some Kaine back in the 616-verse??

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah, totally! Although he did kinda reform in Redemption. Hate to see that retconned.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Nice idea, I'd actually want to see him again but only if May was with him, cause thats pretty much the only reason (Besides Degeneration which he beat) why it would take him so damn long to return

[Fathermithras]

Marvel kinda brought him back, teased us with baby May... and then threw him into outer space. I hope we get some clone tie ins and closure... =(

[Rez]

Yeah. Sad to hear that the Jackal just kind of appeared somewhere else.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Rez buddy, you got three hundred posts, you should head over here

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=195

to the create an avatar thread, post some pics and you'll have a snazzy avi in no time

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah. Thanks to lack of continuity footnotes we've no clue if that mini took place in th' past or present.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Plus the Jackal looked nothing like he did in the 1974 Saga or the 1994 Saga, and the mini basically consisted of six issues of Frank getting his ass kicked :( :down

On another note, look who's finally shown up in Spider Girl again :up:

http://www.milehighcomics.com/firstlook/120705/images/sg93p4.gif

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Spider-Girl is a Clone Saga Fan's best friend.

[venomous]

One of my favorite covers by my favorite artists (Bags).:up:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4307/cover408alt5ru.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[WOLVERINE25TH]

How could anyone not like that costume? It maintains th' integrity of th' original while givin' it a Y2K feel.

[spidey-dude]

^iagree the costume rocks finally a reilly thread, i also hope that the guy from petey's past is either ben or reilly tyne (his son) but i doubt it, although marvel has shown more recognition to the clone sage recently what with the variants and kubrick and all

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah, I've seen that. Plus th' various quips in other books. It's about damn time Marvel recognized this thing happened.

Speakin' of forgotten characters, anyone notice that Joystick was th' only new villain from th' Ben days to survive through th' restart? I'd count Delilah but she disappeared when th' Rose was taken down.

[spidey-dude]

isnt joystick good now?? i was just reading the scarlet spider titles yesterday freaky

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Heh well, yeah, but she started out as a Ben villain.

[spidey-dude]

hopefully we will get ultimate scarlet spidey soon.....does anyone have pics of mc2 ss??????

[Demogoblin]

http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/3352/cwo5ix.jpg


There was a poster here that had his avatar with that cover in it. It had all of the different Spider-costumes flashing in it (black costume, Scarlet Spider, Ben costume, original, bag-man, etc). Are there actually going to be variant covers with those costumes? That would rock my world.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Those are th' variants to The Other arc. Couldn't tell ya their availability, though.

SS:
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/0202/spg46.jpg
http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/1002/spidergirl_52.jpg

[Demogoblin]

Waitaminnit, those are Spider-Girl covers. And I wasnt talking about The Other, I was curious about the cover that I quoted before. :o

[SpideyLad]

I love both of Ben's costumes, they kick ass

[spidey-dude]

anymorespidergirl ss there must be some reilly fans with those issues

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Demo, as I said those are the VARIANT COVERS to the Spidey issues involved with THE OTHER arc. They're on the second printing to each part of the arc. Scarlet Spider there was fer Spidey-Dude.

Check out th' article here:
http://www.marvel.com/company/showarticle.htm?id=152

[Citizen_Kaine]

anymorespidergirl ss there must be some reilly fans with those issues

I have all the issues, I'll see if I can get my scanner to work and maybe post some later. I wanted to post Kaine's first apperance in Web 119, one of the best introductions I have ever seen:eek:

Just outta curiosity, how many people here have a copy of ASM 149??

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I only got th' Marvel Milestone reprint. Was a little before my collectin' time. I also have th' subsequent issues in Marvel Tales form.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Some fun facts I discoverd about MC2 from a Comic Geek/Floor Felow of mine.

The MC2 universe has been given the designation of Earth 982 from the Watchers

The only real difference between the original Marvel Universe(616) and the MC2(982) is a span of fifteen years, thats all, the MC2's "Age of Marvels" happened 15 years before the Marvel Universes.

While other versions of May Parker exist (What if the Scarlet Spider killed Spider Man, Ages of Apacolypse, possibley 616) only three May Parker Spider Girls do, along with the MC2's there are Earth 9997 (Earth X) where May is Venom/Spidergirl and Earth 1122 (Paradise X) where May was raised by Ben Reilly. :Which caused me to book it across campus field this afternoon to the comic scene, only to discover that the shop isn't open on mondays :hulk: :

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I didn't recall that fact from Paradise X. Wild. Other'n that, I have all th' issues ya mentioned an' th' Marvel Handbook fer Alterinate Us was where he most likely got all that info. Each entry gave their designate number.

[SpideyInATree]

My favorite thing from the Clone Saga was Spider-Man: The Lost Years

J.M. DeMatteis on writing and Romita Jr. on the artwork. Yeah, that was awesomeness.

[Citizen_Kaine]

I didn't recall that fact from Paradise X. Wild. Other'n that, I have all th' issues ya mentioned an' th' Marvel Handbook fer Alterinate Us was where he most likely got all that info. Each entry gave their designate number.

Yeah Paradise X, is actually a continuation of that crappy What If? 85 or 86 Story.. Only Paradise X is actually good

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I enjoyed Lost Years but I hate Romita's work, so it was a love/hate thing.

[Scarlet-Spider1]

Just wondering...

Whatever happen to Joe Wade (aka Evil Scarlet Spider) ?

[Rez]

Thanks, I'll get on that Avatar thing soon.

I have the original ASM 149.

As for Paradise X, I wouldn't get too excited. While Earth X and Universe X are both great, PX gets really sloppy. Spidergirl is just Spidergirl, and the only mention of Ben Rielly is her one line that Peter isn't her father, Ben is.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Wade's currently in comic limbo after bein' taken down in WSS #4. I did his bio on Spiderfan an' he was th' first villain in my Spidey stories.

I skimmed Paradise X. After Earth an' Universe, I couldn't take all th' words so I didn't read it that intently. I know, my attention span sucks. Sue me.

[Scarlet-Spider1]

Wade's currently in comic limbo after bein' taken down in WSS #4. I did his bio on Spiderfan an' he was th' first villain in my Spidey stories.
Do you think he might ever return to the comics?

I got a whacky feeling that he will enter Spider-Girl comics in the future!

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Doubtful. That extended SS arc wasn't exactly very popular with creators, so I dunno how quickly they'll go back to it.

[Rez]

Earth X is a masterpiece, and deserves as much attention as possible until you can grasp all of it. Universe X is good; the artwork is definate step down(Although the Spidey one shot is fantastic), and the story is much more complex and jumbled.

Paradise, though... it screams "afterthought." It's entire premise is based upon NEGATING the outcome of Universe X. Artwork is consistently bad, and the story is almost incomprehensable.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Speakin' of which, was it me or did Peter go from bein' a "reflection of his Uncle Ben" to a slimmed out cop?

[Citizen_Kaine]

Que?


http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/ben_reilly/amazing149a.jpg

http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/spidey73.jpg

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_tpb,revelations.jpg

[WOLVERINE25TH]

In Earth X Peter was reitred, plump, described as Uncle Ben-ish by Ross. Then in th' sequels, he becomes a cop with web shooters with gray streaks only. Did I miss somethin' or what?

[Citizen_Kaine]

I believe he becomes a cop after his daughter becomes a superhero

I'll check the Earth X Spidey One Shot, which said something to that extent

[Spidey-Jason]

Here am I:) i really miss Reilly and Kaine,specially their clashes:spidey:

[Spidey-Jason]

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,415.jpg

[Demogoblin]

I'm not sure what it was, but I always enjoyed the Scarlet Spider costume.
http://spiderfan.org/characters/images/ben_reilly/spider14.jpg

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I always thought Scarlet looked more home made than th' webs ever did. I mean, that web pattern was pretty intricate fer a teenage boy emersed in science.

[Citizen_Kaine]

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,what_if_v2,086.jpg

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad :(

Awesome Cover Though

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I thought it was pretty interestin'.

[Spidey-Jason]

Yeah,this cover rocks!:spidey:

[Scarlet-Spider1]

http://samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManQ/Large/AmazSpid404.JPG

[Citizen_Kaine]

Nice ^^^^

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_redemption,002.jpg

[venomous]

I enjoyed Lost Years but I hate Romita's work, so it was a love/hate thing.

Not a fan of JR JR myself. Thank god most of this clone saga took place with Bagley at the helm!

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Ah hell yeah. Bags is one of th' BEST Spidey artists. Close second'd be Sal Buscema, but a lotta his pre-Ben Spidey stuff got kinda dark an' sloppy, a li'l hard to follow.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Fans of Reilly, if yer not readin' Spider-Girl you should! This latest issue has Kaine predict th' return of THE SCRIERS! An' they're out fer Spider-Girl! I love th' continuity!

[Rez]

Yeah, Spider-Girl is great, even moreso for those Clone fan out there.

As for the Earth X trilogy and Parker, here's how it breaks down:

Earth X has Peter as a defeated old man: disgraced as Spiderman and hallow as Spiderman(Mary Jane has passed away). He has disowned his daughter May for bonding with the Venom symbiote, and spends the majority of his shared page time acting pissed off at the world. It's a good, reasonable look at his charecter in the future. The end of the story has Peter donning his Spidey outfit one last time to help his daughter May in the battle against the Skull. The last time we see Peter, he's looking up, losing weight, and offered a job by the NYPD. At the moment, he's still not ready.

Universe X has a much more indepth look at Peter. In fact, the one shot Universe X: Spidey is widely thought of as the best segment of U:X. Peter has - at least on the surface - become a better man, and accepts May for the woman she has become. He winds up joining the tattered remains of the NYPD and goes on assignment to stop Spiders-Man, a mutant with red skin that casts illusions. Peter, now decked out in a spiffy Officer Parker uniform complete with webshooters, doesn't return for several days. May searches for him and finds him in an illusion with Spiders-Man. There is some soul searching involved, and deals with a possible life Peter could have had. At the end of the day, May brings the two mutants out of the illusion. May and Peter have finally made their peace; they will love one another with no exceptions. And Peter offers Spiders-man a place alongside the good guys.

In Paradise X, the most Spider-Man you get is in the form of an alternate universe Spider-Girl. She's in a task force similar to Exiles that is quite important to the story. She eventually crosses paths with Peter and May. It's probably the funniest moment of the book, when Spider-girl and Venom(May) first cross paths, each thinking the other one is some sort of evil trick(Much the same way Ben Rielly got his start). Mid fight, they figure out what's going on, and embrace screaming "That. means ....were... SISTERS!" Nothing else much happens with the Spider-man family. Oh, and Spiders-Man finally turns good.

[Citizen_Kaine]

http://www.angelfire.com/myband/skacorps/chris/sman/smanideas.jpg


http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/pages/90722352131.61.P3.GIF

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/pages/90722352131.62.P2.GIF


Ultimate Benjy, Set to return and F up Peters life during, Clone Saga Issues 96 - 103 :up:

[Doomed_hero]

Love Ben, got me into the comics again in the 90s and was a great character. What Marvel and people don't get ois that people dont hate Ben, they hate that he was revealed to be the real Peter Parker. Everyone I met has been very loving of Ben.

But ya, if I ever wrote Spider-man, i would have a arc that was dedicated to something Ben did in the past that maybe Peter has to deal with today, and bring back Kaine. One of my fav stories is when the Grim Hunter is hunting Ben thinking he is Spider-Man and then is killed by Kaine. His first arc as Scarlet Spider when he took out Venom was cool to.

I have the exculsive Kay Bee Scarlet Spider figure From Spider-Man Classics proudly on my wall.

[Scarlet-Spider1]

Ultimate Benjy, Set to return and F up Peters life during, [I]Clone Saga Issues 96 - 103 :up:
Look like I'm going back buying USM again :up:

[Citizen_Kaine]

Why did you stop? Carnage?

[Scarlet-Spider1]

Why did you stop? Carnage?
Well, it's a long story that I stop reading USM (PPSM, AMAZSM. and SPG as well) because I didn't have the time to read them and I also started save money for College, but now things are cool right now and I'm starting re-read Spider-Man as I went to Comic Books store to collect some comics that I miss.

[SpideyInATree]

Fans of Reilly, if yer not readin' Spider-Girl you should! This latest issue has Kaine predict th' return of THE SCRIERS! An' they're out fer Spider-Girl! I love th' continuity!

The latest issue of Spider-Girl was really awesome. :up:

It was kind of a Clone Saga fans dream come true.

Glad to see somebody else remembered that Kaine has that hightened Spider-sense.

[Citizen_Kaine]

He has a precognitive vision?
Sweet! :eek:

Now we just need to see him use some more of that heightened "wall crawling" abitility

[SpideyInATree]

He has a precognitive vision?
Sweet! :eek:

Now we just need to see him use some more of that heightened "wall crawling" abitility

Heck yeah he does. In fact, it happens twice. I don't wanna spoil anymore than I already have but it's pretty cool. :up:

Those who are apparently fed up with what is going on with the regular universe Spidey need to start giving Spider-Girl a chance. You WON'T regret it.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Picked up my lot of comics a couple of hours ago, and read Spider Girl first, Kaine whooping ass!, Venom as a supporting character!, Mary Janes bulemic cousin! It had it all!!!

[Rez]

All that and a bag of chips. It really does kick ass.

[KingOfDreams]

I liked Ben Reilly. I just wish he stayed The Scarlet Spider instead of becoming Spider-Man for awhile. But I was saddened when he died.

[venomous]

^ Me too. :(

[Fathermithras]

Anyone else think the Scarlet Spider costume was one of the most badass costumes of alltime? It really reflected the difference in the two spider-men's personalities too.

[Won '08]

I suppose.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Welcome to the OFR thread CB!

Yes I welcomed you before you even came to the thread, wanna fight about it? :P

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Ben is kool. i like Peter better but Ben is kool.

[Ben Reilly 2k4]

I think Ben's alot better than Peter. I mean he revolutionized Spidey's weaponry. Mini-dot spider tracers, Impact Webbing, stingers, new costume, and even made webbing out of anything he had around the house or could afford. Such a genius that Ben Reiilly is!

[Fathermithras]

He was a "cool" Peter. He had to get over all his nerdiness and became a street living, rough and tough, "Cool" guy. He's up on fads and what not, and due to Seward, he had alot more time to experiment. He was a dan interesting character and it sucks we lost em.

[Rez]

Agreed with the above Fathermithras; The Scarlet Spider costume is my favourite superhero outfit ever.

In other news, one of the guys that works at a comic shop near me put up his entire collection of stuff for sale a few days ago. I convinced him to put out Reilly-centric stories such as Lost Years, Redemption, and his own relaunch on the front of the shelves.

[Citizen_Kaine]

http://samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl44.JPG

[venomous]

^I actually have that issue! :)

[Citizen_Kaine]

^ I have em all Annual, 1/2 and What If? included :p

Bought them as they came out

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Me too. I basically have every comic from 99-on.

[Rez]

I have all the Spider-girls, as well as all of the original Clone Saga. Took me a while to get some, though... Beat that! ;)

I nearly flipped a poop when that Spidergirl hit the stands... it wasn't Ben, but it was still damn good!

[Citizen_Kaine]

I've got the entire clone saga, the original clone saga with an ASM 144 signed by Gerry Conway and Ross Andru, the white variant of ASM 400 a NM copy of the first apperance of the Jackal, annnnnnnnnnnnd an original animation cell of an unmasked Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider from the animated series :up:

I win :)

[Experiment626]

Hey! I'm new here and I never really read the whole clone saga but I loved Ben Reilly! wish he comes back

[venomous]

I've got the entire clone saga, the original clone saga with an ASM 144 signed by Gerry Conway and Ross Andru, the white variant of ASM 400 a NM copy of the first apperance of the Jackal, annnnnnnnnnnnd an original animation cell of an unmasked Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider from the animated series :up:

I win :)

But do you have the only Spider-girl action figure? ;)

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I only have 70% of th' clone saga. I'm workin' on gettin' th' rest.

[Demogoblin]

Picked up my lot of comics a couple of hours ago, and read Spider Girl first, Kaine whooping ass!, Venom as a supporting character!, Mary Janes bulemic cousin! It had it all!!!

I've been reading Spider-Girl off again, on again since it first started and this past issue may just keep me reading a little more regularly. Why? Phil Urich is back as the Green Goblin, baby! :D I LOVED the Green Goblin series and am still PO'd that it got cancelled after 13 issues. But now that Phil is flying high again (sorry for the pun :o ) I'm back for the long haul. :D :up:

[Citizen_Kaine]

A no prize to anyone who can tell me, what power Petes daughter has that neither he, Kaine, nor Reilly's son has.

[KingOfDreams]

Reilly has a son?

[Citizen_Kaine]

Yeah he had a kid with Jeanine/Elizabeth Tyne, named Reilly Tyne, due to some clone and demonic related issues mainly regarding Kaine and Daredevil, Reilly Tyne/Darkdevil has full Spider Powers, All of Daredevils power annnnnnnnd spooky powers like teleportation, levetation, flaming staffs etc.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1b/Darkdevil.png/456px-Darkdevil.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/Darkdevil.png)

[Citizen_Kaine]

http://www.catskillcomics.com/frenzOA/spidergirl3pencil.JPG

http://www.catskillcomics.com/frenzOA/47-12.JPG
http://www.catskillcomics.com/frenzOA/47-07.JPG

[Rez]

I've got the entire clone saga, the original clone saga with an ASM 144 signed by Gerry Conway and Ross Andru, the white variant of ASM 400 a NM copy of the first apperance of the Jackal, annnnnnnnnnnnd an original animation cell of an unmasked Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider from the animated series :up:

I win :)



I have all that minus the signatures, and an animation cell of a shot of all the spidermen together(including Scarlet) from the last episode. I have a lot more, but I'd rather not rub it in and just tell you the clone stuff;)

[spidey-dude]

any more (preferably colour pics of felitcity as the scarlet spider????

[Citizen_Kaine]

http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/spidey21.jpg
http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/spidey51.jpg
http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/spidey52.jpg

http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/spidey57.jpg

http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/spidey58.jpg

http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/spidey66.jpg

http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/spidey67.jpg

[WOLVERINE25TH]

May has Tactile Telekinesis; she can propell any object she has clinged to her hand.

Way back around PPSM #75 I was workin' on keepin' Ben alive in comic form an' had come up with my own Spider-Girl (check yer dates, my ideas predate What If...? by almost a year) except as th' Scarlet Spider. I also gave her telepathy as a natural evolution to her spider-sense. Kinda funny th' real SG gets a similar kind of upgrade.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Nice idea :up:

Anyway Wolvie is right, and I've gotta go work on my lab with that asian kid down the hall :o

[Rez]

Pfft, ask him how he feels about Pearl Harbor.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Eh my Grandad probably killed his so it's kinda a subject I don't bring up much :D

Anyway I was reading my Clone Genesis trade, while Jackie Liu was doing my work, and I was wondering about Peter's whole realization at the end of issue 150. His conclusion makes absolutly no sense, He likes MJ, and due to this he must be the original? Uhhhhhhhh newsflash Pete, Warren took DNA samples from you, to update the Clones memory as far ahead as possible, so that when the two of them awakened they would be identical, physically and mentally, which is why they say the exact same thing as each other when they do wake up. Ben would have as much feelings for MJ as Pete did (See Birth of a Spider Man / Power & Responsibilty back ups for massive examples of this), even if he had been subjected to Warren as an outside source the last minute tinkering with his mind would be exactly the same as Peter.

Don't make any sense to me, guess Conway didn't have any other way of wrapping it up

And than why didn't Peter just ask Doc Conners what the results that he had threw away stated during the later Clone Saga, Surely Conners would remember if his friend was a friggen clone or not

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Well, ya gotta remember; th' 70s things were wrapped up with little logic. 'Sides, I think it was more th' fact that he DID have feelings is why he felt he was th' original, like a copy couldn't an' they couldn't be duplicated. That adds a li'l depth to it. But, regardless; there are very few instances where Peter's science is used where needed.

[KingOfDreams]

Yeah he had a kid with Jeanine/Elizabeth Tyne, named Reilly Tyne, due to some clone and demonic related issues mainly regarding Kaine and Daredevil, Reilly Tyne/Darkdevil has full Spider Powers, All of Daredevils power annnnnnnnd spooky powers like teleportation, levetation, flaming staffs etc.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1b/Darkdevil.png/456px-Darkdevil.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/Darkdevil.png)

I know who Darkdevil is but I had no idea that he was Ben Reilly's son.

[spidey-dude]

yep he is it was explained in the darkdevil mini.....cough*anyfemalescarletspiderpics*cough

[WOLVERINE25TH]

YA know, I betcha Darkdevil's mini'd make more sense to me now that I have th' comics with Janine.

[Citizen_Kaine]

yep he is it was explained in the darkdevil mini.....cough*anyfemalescarletspiderpics*cough

Give me a day or two to fix my peice o' **** scanner, I'm on it

Ya know, I betcha Darkdevil's mini'd make more sense to me now that I have th' comics with Janine

They do, but he doesn't mention her that much though, just a quick panal of her in jail (wondering where the hell Ben is:o ) and Reilly doing an iner-monlouge about the situation

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah. What sucks is now that Ben has a lady love (to my knowledge, anyways) it forced me to change th' big love-triangle idea I had fer my stories. As well as wantin' to have him hook up with Black Cat. Ah well, such is th' price we pay fer continuity.

[Red X]

Can Darkdevil see?

[spidey-dude]

yeah i think so, he isnt blind hese only 14 or something but had the apperance of a 30-40 year old

[Citizen_Kaine]

He's supposed to be younger than May, but due to some demonic jiggery he looks like he's 23,

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/pages/77890870352.82.P3.GIF

[spidey-dude]

ha gotta love that tobey joke lol even without a leg hese hilarious!!!
what issue is this, and if you wuldnt mind do you know what issues center on kaine either scarlet spider and reilly tyne???
also are there any issues where pete and reilly talk ..... about ben

[Citizen_Kaine]

http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl14.JPG
http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl44.JPG
http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl45.JPG
http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl46.JPG
http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl47.JPG

[Citizen_Kaine]

http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl48.JPG

Love that cover :up:

http://samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl49.JPG
http://samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl50.JPG
Maybe the best and most important Spider Girl arc Spider Girl 45 - 50
http://samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl52.JPG
Felicity imagies herself as Spider Girls partner
http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl78.JPG
Kaine has huge fight with the Black Tarantula

Kaine pretty much becomes a supporting cast member after the Kaine/Alsion Mongrain arc

Felicity is supposed to show up again, hopefully with an upgrade as she was pretty useless as the Scarlet Spider

Reilly Tyne/Darkdevil shows up all the time, all of the important stuff is in the Darkdevil mini Darkdevil 1-3

Peter and May have shown no indication that they are aware of there relation to Reilly Tyne, also May doesn't seem to know the truth about Kaine either.

http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl82.JPG

The scan I posted was from the 1st part of the 2nd venom arc

[SpideyInATree]

http://samruby.com/Heroes/Spidergirl/Large/SpiderGirl44.JPG

Must...Buy...........ISSUE!!!!! :eek:

[WOLVERINE25TH]

You must...buy...all...Spider-Girl! Seriously, keep our last vestige alive.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Okay, list yer top 10 reasons why Ben is better than Peter.

[spidey-dude]

1: he dosn't hit his wife
2: he dosn't have an annoying wife
3: he had a utility belt.....LIKE BATMAN
4: would have gone in bluewater despite their hoodie ban (you'll only get this if you live in uk)
5: got all the ladyzzzzzzzzzzzz (even though many were wierd...like jessica)
6: was in new warriors..how many "new" teams has pete been in....waitaminuite...D'OH
7: did what pete thought couldn't be done and climbed out a smokestack!!!
8: kicked venoms purple ass first time (i think)
9: cooler costume (scarletspider)
10: cooler cstume (spiderman)

[Doomed_hero]

I think there are two main thing that makes Scarlet spider bettter then Spider-Man to a point

1.Impact webbing
2. Beat Venom on his ownusing webbing and his fist.

[Scarlet-Spider1]

5 Reason Why Ben Reilly is so cool :D

1.) Blonde Hair (He don't look like Peter Parker, seriously)
2.) Webshooter Arsenal (Stringers, Impact Webbing, etc)
3.) Awesome Costume (Scarlet Spider)
4.) Beat the heck on Venom, Tombstone, and other villian before becoming New Spider-Man
5.) Easy Job. (Works for Daily Grind (COFFEE SHOP) :D

[spidey-dude]

i think you guys are leaving out the 3 most important
1: he dosn't hit his wife
2: he dosn't have an annoying wife
3: he had a utility belt.....LIKE BATMAN

[Citizen_Kaine]

Top Ten Reasons: Why I like Ben better

10. Cooler Costumes
9. Better Gadjects
8. External Webshooters
7. A lady for every hair color
6. No annoying wife
5. No inadvertantly throwing annoying wife into a wall
4. Big Fat Mafia Roomate
3. Optomistic attitude: Liked what he did, realized than when he succeded people lived, unlike Pete who's motto was when he failed people died
2. Fake blonde Hair :up:
1. Balls o' steel (Whooped Venom's ass when Peter would've pissed his pants, jumped in front of a glider for a clone, when we all know Pete wouldn't have

[Citizen_Kaine]

SPIDER-GIRL #96
Written by TOM DEFALCO
Pencils & Cover by RON FRENZ
Thanks to the man called Kaine, Spider-Girl has seen the future and knows that she is destined to die at the hands of a Scrier. Will the unexpected return of Felicity Hardy as the Scarlet Spider help save Spider-Girl...or doom her?
32 PGS./All Ages ...$2.99

Can't wait :up: :up:

[roach]

for the Reillyites....

http://www.newcomicreviews.com/GHM/specials/LifeOfReilly/1.html

[wes1406]

anyone notice that in the first 10 issues of Marvel Knights : Spider-man, Ben Reilly was mentioned twice, and the "clones" were mentioned once?


Makes one think....

[roach]

from the Tom Defalco interview....

Andrew: Where do you think the storyline fell short, if you think so at all?

Tom: I think editorial eventually lost control of the story, and the marketing department took charge. Instead of moving along at a brisk pace, the story was stretched farther and farther out. At one point, I was asked to plot a two-part story. After I pitched the story and it was accepted, I was informed that it would be stretched out over four issues instead of two. I was later told that marketing wanted to stretch it over eight issues. I argued and argued, and they agreed to keep it to four...if I could pitch another four-issue arc by the following morning. Let's just say, I did the best I could with the time I had.

[Rez]

Why do I prefer Ben? It rests on 3 reasons.

1) Cooler Costumes. With the exception of the Black Costume and Peter's one time quick change into the below outfit, I prefer every costume Reilly has worn to the many different renditions Parker has had. http://www.angelfire.com/myband/skacorps/chris/sman/smansuitwjacket.jpg

The ironic thing about this costume is that it appeared during Ben's time in the Spider books, and the design looks more like something he would put together than Peter.

2) His Attitude. He has this cool swagger about him that rests around the Rebel Without A Cause feel. He was more positive about things in general, despite his situation. He seemed back then, and still seems to me now, an overall better written charecter than Peter has been.

3) His mystery. I've always been one to enjoy the supporting charecter more than the main charecter. To give you all an example I know you'll understand, my favourite charecter in the Spiderman movies is Harry. My favourite charecter in Empire Strikes Back is Lando. I love the supporting charecters. And since Ben was killed and his time permanantly limited in the Spiderman mythology, that's what I view him as. A supporting charecter. And he has so much of his life that we don't know about. Sure, He's a clone. We have the Lost Years and Redemption. But there is a part of him we'll never see. We'll never see where he could be today, and we'll probably never see where he was. And it's that potential that sits there, those awesome scenarios I play out in my head, that keep him vibrant and alive and ahead of Peter in every way.

[thegame_45]

Ben brought me back into reading comics after a five year lay off.

I loved the costume, the storyline behind him being the real spidey, just a fresh new concept.

[spidey-dude]

thought id post this seeing as everyone loves the costume
http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvel032006/big/SPIG096_bwcov.jpg

[Citizen_Kaine]

Sorry to steal your thunder spidey dude

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/675/675592/marvel-in-march-20051214104827015.jpg

[Scarlet-Spider1]

Nice cover.....

Nice to see Female Scarlet Spider again :D

[LarryLegend]

Story looks good. Dayum its sad when Spider-Girl looks better than all the Spider-Man books.

[SpideyInATree]

Story looks good. Dayum its sad when Spider-Girl looks better than all the Spider-Man books.

Why is that such a sad thing? Spider-Girl is an awesome book period. Plus it helps that Tom Defalco has been the man behind the curtain. :up:

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yes it does. Spider-Girl is everythin' Spidey was an' has never been since.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Yeah Defalco should be given another book, Friggen BMB has about 12

[stillanerd]

What I actually liked about Ben Reilly was that, even though he was a clone, he was what Peter SHOULD HAVE been if the writers had decided to write him in character. The fact that he created impact webbing, brought down Venom, and actually had to make ends meat among other things left me wondering "Now THIS is Peter Parker. Why didn't the writers make the Real Spider-Man like this (and yes, I did have a feeling Peter was the real Spider-Man, although there were times I was convinced otherwise.) Also, while I didn't care for the "Scarlet Spider" name, the costume was decent. And while I didn't really like the idea of Ben Reilly becoming Spider-Man, that costume was cool too.

[venomous]

Hey guys, the avatar spidey-dude has, was that an actual cartoon episode? If it was I totally missed it and can you guys point out the episode # or name? Thanks in advance!

[stillanerd]

originally posted by venomous

Hey guys, the avatar spidey-dude has, was that an actual cartoon episode? If it was I totally missed it and can you guys point out the episode # or name? Thanks in advance.

I believe that its from the second to last episode of the Spider-Man Animated series' fifth season. It was titled "Spider-Wars, Part 1: I Really, Really Hate Clones." Hope that's right. You can still catch reruns of this and other episodes from the series on Toon Disney or ABC Family channel.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

http://www.spiderfan.org/shows/tv_90s/season4/images/spidermen.jpg

[Citizen_Kaine]

I have the original cell from this scene I believe

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9787/Scarletmasks.gif (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://members.fortunecity.com/drg4/spanigifs6.html)

[venomous]

Thanks guys!

[spidey-dude]

yeah it was a 2parter, the last two eps!!!

[SpideyInATree]

Man, that shows how far out of the Spidey loop I was back then. I had no idea that Scarlet Spider was in the Animated Series. :eek:

I'm so ashamed. :(

[Citizen_Kaine]

Don't feel bad, it was only two episodes, about 9 years ago, at 7 something on a Saturday morning.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Wasn't it on like around 10-ish? I know X-Men was at 11...

[wes1406]

i thought it was at 10 as well...

And don't feel bad, i also missed it :\

[Citizen_Kaine]

I bought the series on a bunch of ghetto dvds on Ebay, Which is how I first saw the show

[Arkady Rossovich]

I liked the Scarlet Spider`s costume.Kaine`s costume was also good.I think that Kane`s still alive also..

[Scarlet-Spider1]

Jourmugand

Kaine is alive and well.....check up on Spider-Girl!

[Rez]

I used up my DVR getting the first 3 seasons off of reruns on toon disney or Boom or whatever station it was on.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Check out what I just realized:

http://www.spidermancollector.com/Spiderman%20Toys2002.html

Is it just me, or does this figure have a familiar look to a certain Reilly villain?

[SpideyInATree]

Don't feel bad, it was only two episodes, about 9 years ago, at 7 something on a Saturday morning.

Well, I still feel bad. I have the first two seasons of the animated series on tape. It would have been awesome to have the entire animated series on tape but I fell out of the Spidey loop back then :(

[Scarlet-Spider1]

Check out what I just realized:

http://www.spidermancollector.com/Spiderman%20Toys2002.html

Is it just me, or does this figure have a familiar look to a certain Reilly villain?
That surely look like Scarlet Spider II (Joe Wade) alright.....

[spidey-dude]

yeah cool...i want this figure

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Two on Ebay currently, I'm waitin' fer shippin' info fer one 'fore I buy so I got dibs. ;)

[Nathan]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/675/675592/marvel-in-march-20051214104827015.jpg

Hey, who's that female Scarlet Spider? Please don't tell me it's a May clone.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Felicia Hardy's daughter, Felicity. She's kind of a SG geek an' tried to play hero. Th' only clone thus far is Kaine.

I forget who th' father was...was it Flash?

[Nathan]

Guess I should start reading Spider-Girl. Are the comics good?

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Th' best Spidey title currently out there. It maintains th' essence of older comics but they don't feel dated.

[Dangerous]

Tom Defalco kicks ass

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Word up. He can keep continuity too fer longer than 3 issues.

[venomous]

Went back and started picking up Spider-girl back issues. Just got What If..105 (first appearance) on ebay!

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Welcome to th' club.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Kaines Top Five Worst Way's Reilly Could Be Ressurected
or
KTFWWRCBR for short :)

5. Ben's ashes return and try to kill Pete with new shapeshifting powers, after an encounter with the Sandman, the two combine to create an 80 foot tall Clone Mud Monster that terrorizes Manhattan, Denny O'Neil guest writes this Six Issue Arc thats guranteed to shake up the Spider-verse!

4. After a battle with Scorpenom in a Just for Men factory, Peter falls into a vat of chemicals, coming up for air he takes off his mask and discovers to his horror that his hair has been bleached blonde! Instead off going tthrough all the trouble to dye his hair Brown again, Peter leaves MJ, puts on the Scarlet Spider Suit and starts hanging out with New Warriors.

3. Peter wakes up from a horrible dream, and goes to take a shower but sees someones already in it, thinking its MJ he pulls back the door, but it's actually Ben Reilly!!

Peter: Whoa!, Ben thank god your here, I had the strangest dream, You were dead, and Osborn was doing Gwen and I grew these wolverinish claws, and over in Ultimate Spidey you were a black man!

Ben: Peter, What's Ultimate Spider Man?

2. After an mixup with MJ involving Ben's ashes and a Nestle Qwick can, Peter becomes possesed by Ben at randoms moments, hillarity ensues

1. In an order to finally remove continuity and regular common sense from all of its main stream comic books, Marvel has Kaine reveal to Peter that he was Ben Reilly all along, when asked about how he and Ben appeared together at the same time, "Ben" says that the Jackal taught him another power, advanced ventriloquisim, allowing him to make himself appear in two places at the same time, Ben - Kaine has to go "home" by the end of the issue in order to avoid conflicts, with the complete horse**** story he has provided

Yeah that last one was random, but I needed one more, and I had run outta refrences from T.V. shows

Help me out by posting some ways to bring him back or ways not to bring him back

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I so wanna do #2.

[spidey-dude]

i wouldnt mind finding out thaqt ben never died and that it was a degenerating clone (hence the dust) and that osbourn did it to **** with peter like he did with aunt may and pete finds ben looking after may jr in a burning obourn facility whilst fighting jack o'lantern and gg....i put waaaay to much thought into this

[Citizen_Kaine]

How abouts something real simple,

Ben wakes up in a dumpster, as if Osborn was saying "You are worth less than Brooklyn trash, you aren't even worth killing" Ben discovers that he missed the big finale and that he (another clone) was killed and was hailed a hero, hearing about Pete and MJ's child, Ben leaves and returns to exhile, deciding that the Parkers don't need anymore complication in there lives, when Peter and his family are in real danger though he'll come back and save there asses from behind the scenes (Easily retconn this part into other stories such as Final Chapter, and Last Stand)

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I actually have a FINAL Osborn story planned fer my Spidey stories, but I'm hesitant to reveal any points in case anyone decided to read 'em. Ben plays a big part, though, and I do introduce a brief new goblin. If anyone really wants to know what I've planned, I guess I could spoil it. But in th' meantime, I'll put up th' image that inspired me:

http://www.toyrocket.com/assets/photos/SPMA31847f.jpg

And th' concept art that woulda made that figure WAY cooler:

http://www.anthonysnyder.com/art/0rlsg.gif

[JewishHobbit]

Do they have Spider Girl in trades? I've always been curious, but I don't like picking things up so far behind.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Dude, of COURSE they do. I picked up th' first volume fer some reason when it came out.

[JewishHobbit]

I looked on Ebay and only found one volume collecting 0-8. That's the only one I saw. So do they have them up to date?

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I only see th' original myself. Coulda sworn they released others. Might also be digests if I've heard right.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Seems they bypassed TPBs fer Digests. But if ya go on th' next pages looks like some may be comin' next year.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=br_ss_hs/103-4062386-0427043?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Dstripbooks%3Arelevance-above&field-keywords=Spider-Girl

[Citizen_Kaine]

Buy the back issues, you should be able to the whole friggen run including the now classic (and worth 20 bucks) What If? 105, on ebay in a massive lot for around 50 bucks,

[Citizen_Kaine]

:Crickets Chirping:

Uhhhhhhh Guys?

[spidey-dude]

errrrm i bought the blue sweat top that he wore as scarlet.....

[Citizen_Kaine]

What! Where?

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah, where? I hadda make mine fer my costume.

[SpideyInATree]

What! Where?


Exactly!! Inquiring minds want to know!! :eek:

[thegame_45]

What if Morlun is Ben Reilly coming for his revenge on Spidey?

I see a What If story coming.

[Citizen_Kaine]

I wasn't sure which thread I should celebrate this in, Ultimate, Spidergirl, The Other. I've posted my ramblings in all of 'em, but in the end, I've decided to post it here with you guys.

So here's to Christmas, Chanukah, Clones, The cWo and most of all, to my 1000th post

Cheers

Peter TK Herd / Citizen Kaine

http://www.samruby.com/SpidB/Large/Spiderman075c.JPG

[Scarlet-Spider1]

What if Morlun is Ben Reilly coming for his revenge on Spidey?

I see a What If story coming.
Eh? Morlun? I really thought I had my mind that Ezekiel was Ben Reilly, but heh I was wrong. :D

Anyway, Congrats on your 1000th post, Citizen Kaine! :up:

[WOLVERINE25TH]

That was a sad, sad issue.

[spidey-dude]

well done kaine, i got it off of ebay it was custom made, its pretty cool, barely ever wear it htough

[JewishHobbit]

Yeah, I'm just now getting around to reading Straczynski's run on Spidey (I stopped Spidey after they completely undid the clone saga, which I loved). I love Ezekiel's character and thought about how cool it would have been if Ben was still around to hang with him and Peter. Throw in Kaine and you have one heck of a Spider-Squad.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

JH, I've come to respect you more.

[spidey-dude]

well im off to bed in a mo, almost 11, and its hard to get to sleep when your allbandaged up and bruised so to everyone in the cWo merry christmas

[roach]

also there were a lot of good ideas that Ben introduced that were swept under the rug....different webbing

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, the impact webbing and the spider stingers were an awesome addition to the webshooter arsenal. It's how Scarlet Spider freakin' owned the crap out of Venom.

Luckily, Tom Defalco rocks hard and Spider-Girl uses the stingers and impact webbing from time to time. :up:

[roach]

that is what pisses me off the most about Marvel....they didnt have the balls to follolw thru. DC does. When they made Kyle the new GL there were plenty of people who didnt like him but he grew on people.....But I suppose that Manhatten is a little two small for 2 spider-men

[Scarlet-Spider1]

But I suppose that Manhatten is a little two small for 2 spider-men
Marvel could have move Ben Reilly to Chicago or somewhere farther like Los Angeles, but I guess they were too stupid then.

[thegame_45]

that is what pisses me off the most about Marvel....they didnt have the balls to follolw thru. DC does. When they made Kyle the new GL there were plenty of people who didnt like him but he grew on people.....But I suppose that Manhatten is a little two small for 2 spider-men

Thank you!!!! That is exactly how I feel. If you are going to go through a process, and then everyone votes on it, and says hell yeah, go through with it. Many fans will be upset, yada yada yada, but the thing is that fans that are upset will usually come back because of curosity. What are they doing now, whats going on?

[roach]

Thank you!!!! That is exactly how I feel. If you are going to go through a process, and then everyone votes on it, and says hell yeah, go through with it. Many fans will be upset, yada yada yada, but the thing is that fans that are upset will usually come back because of curosity. What are they doing now, whats going on?


Marvel P@$$ied out when some vocal fans got upset. That is what killed the Clone Saga for me. That they had to spend so much time recanting everything that they set up.
I feel the same thing will happen to JMS' run. I am enjoying the totem element because it actually makes Spidey's origin make sense to me.
Sometimes I feel some fans wont be happy until Marvel retcons him back to being 15, living with his aunt, and taking pics of himself for the Daily Planet:spidey:

[WOLVERINE25TH]

They won't, but then again I'm just an ass who makes up pretend arguments apparently.

Let's also not forget some new villains, like Armada. He had potential to become a contender. An' howabout Mysterio's new look? 100x more cooler than th' freakin' fishbowl, but retconned away. An' that whole DIT Chip thing? Increasin' his powers big time? C'mon! Lady Ock was no slouch niether. I took her way more seriously than I ever did Ock.

[JewishHobbit]

I agree. I liked her,.. I've never liked Doc Ock... I was actually thought it was cool when Kaine killed him. His resurrection being one of the reasons I left. Ben also had some great supporting cast that they did away with. I don't remember names but I specifically remember liking that guy at the coffee shop who was always reading the newspaper.

[Rez]

Yeah, the entire Grind crew was great.

[JewishHobbit]

You know, I actually really like Lamont, from Straczynski's run. I think he's one of the few supporting cast members in Spidey that's come around lately that I have liked.

[Malus]

Sometimes I feel some fans wont be happy until Marvel retcons him back to being 15, living with his aunt, and taking pics of himself for the Daily Planet:spidey:

And here I thought Pete worked for the Daily Bugle.;)

[roach]

sorry I was looking at that awesome new shot of Superman holding up the Daily Planet globe from Superman Returns while I typed that.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

That dude with th' paper would be Buzz. Yeah, an' they had so many good things set up; Desiree's feelings, Jessica's exodus, Black Cat's interest, Janine in jail...love quadrangle right there that I hope I'm gonna do justice.

[Infinity9999x]

What year did the clone saga start exactally? Because I know a clone saga book got me interested in Spidey, I just can't remeber the year. It was one of the first clone books too (from the 90's that is)

[WOLVERINE25TH]

1995, a mysterious figure began appearin' in Spidey books always in shadow an' talkin' to Aunt May. Few issues later he was revealed to be th' clone.

Th' true start, of course, was way back in ASM #149. (Or ASM #121 if ya wanna get uber technical).

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Just thought I'd share this with you guys. One of my stockin' stuffers this year was a page of bootleg Spidey stickers. It's nice to see bootleggers rememberin' our boy Reilly.

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7970/stickers1se.jpg

[SpideyInATree]

Marvel P@$$ied out when some vocal fans got upset. That is what killed the Clone Saga for me. That they had to spend so much time recanting everything that they set up.
I feel the same thing will happen to JMS' run. I am enjoying the totem element because it actually makes Spidey's origin make sense to me.
Sometimes I feel some fans wont be happy until Marvel retcons him back to being 15, living with his aunt, and taking pics of himself for the Daily Planet:spidey:

Wow. Someone else digs the totem thing JMS has done. I thought I was like the only one who enjoyed it. It gets tiresome hearing people put that story down because, "It changes Spidey's origin". But meanwhile it didn't change anything it just gave the reader a choice to decide for themselves. :O But I guess a writer doing something new and interesting with the character isn't enough. :(

But, yeah, Marvel definitely bowed down to the outcry of the more hardcore Spidey fans.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Totem I didn't mind, it's The Other I'm not too crazy about.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Just thought I'd share this with you guys. One of my stockin' stuffers this year was a page of bootleg Spidey stickers. It's nice to see bootleggers rememberin' our boy Reilly.

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7970/stickers1se.jpg

Gotta love the Hobgoblins new pink and yellow scheme :up:

[roach]

Wow. Someone else digs the totem thing JMS has done. I thought I was like the only one who enjoyed it. It gets tiresome hearing people put that story down because, "It changes Spidey's origin". But meanwhile it didn't change anything it just gave the reader a choice to decide for themselves. :O But I guess a writer doing something new and interesting with the character isn't enough. :(

But, yeah, Marvel definitely bowed down to the outcry of the more hardcore Spidey fans.


I realize that these books are scientificly sound but it never made sense to me that if someone got bitten by a radioactive spider they would get the ability to cling to walls via static electricity or a spider sense....hell I can kill spiders fine...it's flies that pose the problem.

[thegame_45]

I wonder if people would riot if they brought back Ben Reilly, but made him a bad guy.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

That'd be a yes.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Depends, Jason Todd had everyone in a **** fit when he came back as a baddie, but his quasi vigilante persona & constant antagonization of Bats, actually has caused him to become an extremely popular character and another A villian introduced to Bats already stacked rouge gallery

If they had to bring Ben back, I'm thinking he should go in that direction


http://arc.pyoko.org/image/batman21.jpg

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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/bittermint/batman641_pg6.jpg

[WOLVERINE25TH]

See, any change to a Robin is good 'cause, well, Robins suck ass.

[SpideyInATree]

That's just your opinion. I tend to heavily disagree with it. Tim Drake is an awesome character. :o

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Robin #1: Sucked till he became Nightwing.
Robin #2: Sucked till he became Red Hood.
Robin #3: I have no clue about but I'd love to shoot him fer his inclusion in th' Batman cartoon. Maybe it took 3 Robins to get it right, who knows.

[SpideyInATree]

You should definitely start reading Robin then. You'd probably like it. Especially when the One Year Later thing kicks in at DC and the title gets a new creative team and a whole new direction. :up:

[Citizen_Kaine]

Robin #1: Sucked till he became Nightwing.
Robin #2: Sucked till he became Red Hood.
Robin #3: I have no clue about but I'd love to shoot him fer his inclusion in th' Batman cartoon. Maybe it took 3 Robins to get it right, who knows.

Robin #4: Sucked after ditching Spoiler identity, Came down with a heavy case of Women in the Refrigerator Syndrome

That's just your opinion. I tend to heavily disagree with it. Tim Drake is an awesome character. :o

Tim Drake is an awesome character and is definatly worthy of taking over the Bats mantle when the writers run out of ideas, However I'm really liking the Under the Hood Storyline right about now, and In my opinion Jason Todd kicks (And I do mean literally) Tim Drake's ass :up:

[SpideyInATree]

Robin #4: Sucked after ditching Spoiler identity, Came down with a heavy case of Women in the Refrigerator Syndrome



Tim Drake is an awesome character and is definatly worthy of taking over the Bats mantle when the writers run out of ideas, However I'm really liking the Under the Hood Storyline right about now, and In my opinion Jason Todd kicks (And I do mean literally) Tim Drake's ass :up:

I'm really into the Red Hood storyline as well. Judd Winick has done a great job doing something that was taboo to do. And I read Teen Titans # 29 as well...Todd messed Drake up real good.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I'm considerin' buyin' th' trades of some of this stuff...mostly 'cause I can't afford DC regularly, not with my budget.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Meh I've just been following the Red Hood storyline regularly, So the only D.C. book I buy full time is Bats

Although I am starting to get into Preacher, Sandman, and 100 bullets

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I've been gettin' DMZ. All someone had to say was it took place in NYC an' I was hooked. :p

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Wanna share this with all my fellow clone-heads out there:

Today, after exactly 14 years and 4 days of collecting comics, I now have a grand total of 9,001 comics in my collection.

I'm looking forward to hitting my milestone 10,000th issue...maybe if I'm lucky right at my anniversary once again.

I ain't no math whiz, but if I get an average of 19 comics a week fer all of next year, I stand a good chance of makin' it by my next anniversary. Of course, I'll probably get some backissues here an' there jackin' me up further. Here's hopin'!

[Citizen_Kaine]

Congrats on the 9000 Wolvie, My rich ass is only sitting on 45 hundred or so but I'm getting there, just gotta find another series to pick up and collect the full run of it.

On another note my present for my little sis finalllly came in the mail today, The original pencils for Spider Man 68, more specifically the very last page where Peter and Mj wake up to an extremely bloody Ben Reilly on there carpet drawn by JrJr, something every 9 year old should have :up:

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Actually, I guess you can technically say I have 9013. I got 12 comics comin' to use fer updatin' my site.

[Citizen_Kaine]

By the way, can anyone tell me what happened in Black Cat 5,Was it like I heard it was, "Shocking", or was it just Black Cat becoming Sue Dibny?

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Well, she said she was raped. #6 we find out by who.

[Citizen_Kaine]

It's Dr Light bet on it

Marvel's doing some cross promotion with D.C. again :o

On another note this idea is dumber than that time Catwoman was a prostitue, Retcon please!

[JewishHobbit]

Wanna share this with all my fellow clone-heads out there:

Today, after exactly 14 years and 4 days of collecting comics, I now have a grand total of 9,001 comics in my collection.

I'm looking forward to hitting my milestone 10,000th issue...maybe if I'm lucky right at my anniversary once again.

I ain't no math whiz, but if I get an average of 19 comics a week fer all of next year, I stand a good chance of makin' it by my next anniversary. Of course, I'll probably get some backissues here an' there jackin' me up further. Here's hopin'!


Congrats. I was up to somewhere around 6,000 myself until I sold tons of them that I realized I didn't really care about. I'm down to about 4,000 now. I liked having the quantities, but with a wife, a child, and another due in February, we needed to make room.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Well, th' wife knew she married me AND my comics, an' we hate kids so I can devote a whole room to them if I wanted. :D

Now, if only I can finish gettin' th' rest of th' Clone Saga...

An' CK, should see how it wraps up 'fore ya judge it too harshly. Although given th' lateness that was probably an inspiration.

[JewishHobbit]

My mom said she hated kids too,.... then she had 5 accidents and grew to love us.

As for Black Cat,.. I was all into it for the first three or four issues, however many they first came out with, but the wait killed it for me. I found such a distaste for Kevin Smith that I decided to not bother with him again. I'm normally understanding toward lateness and such, but his complete lack of respect for the comic fans and comic company in general killed me,.. and so I don't buy anything he comes out with any more (and sold the few that I did have). If he comes onto an X-Men title I may give him another shot, otherwise I don't give a lick about the guy.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

That's too bad. Currently it's th' only late book WORTH th' damn wait.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Yes! my ebay purchase finally came in the mail today, And I've finally completed another run of comics :up:

So Far I've got full and complete runs (Including all varient covers) of

Every MC2 Book
Every Ultimate Book
Every Spidey title ever, Cept for ASM
Deadpool (Every appearance EVER)
Punisher (Every appearance ever)
Thunderbolts (Every appearance as a team, and every appearance of each individual character :eek:)

& Finally I got the variant issue Thunderbolts I've been looking for, for all these years

http://www.geocities.com/marvel_terror/helmut_zemo/thunderbolts002.jpg

Onwards to Batman!!

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Heh let me know if you find any ASM vol. 2 #25s out there somewhere. I need to replace my stolen issues; s'all I'm missin' from that run now.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Which one do you want? The sparkly version or the regular one?

And where the hell is everyone? Are we the only ones who post in here anymore?

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Both. I had them both, then someone took them both, amongst others that I've replaced to some degree. If I ever find out who they're dead.

[spidey-dude]

i think the posters have declined during holiday season

[Citizen_Kaine]

Wow, just got back from doing alot of advertising with Wolve's over in the bought thought thread. With all the shilling I've been doing on these boards, my local comic shop (Nearly everyone has Spider Girl on there pull list now) and my dorms (I find my floor fellows and roomies reading it all the time) Marvel should be thinking about hiring the cWo to plug all their books. I can see our slogan now...

The cWo, boosting readership, one internet nerd, frat boy, and comic shop dweller at a time.

cWo: For Life :spidey:

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Word. Wish I had that much of an impact, but unfortunately th' circles I travel in don't involve comic collectors, so I have no one to pitch to save th' ignorant an' misinformed here.

[spidey-dude]

^same problem as wolvie, yet i still havn't picked up spider-girl yet, although i think ill start with that scarler spider upcoming issue

[JewishHobbit]

Sadly enough, I'm the only comic book collector that I know. Some of my friends enjoy the movies, but that's it. It's why I'm on the hype so much,.. so I can actually talk comics with people. I have gotten my brother-in-law into comics (AnnoyingSilence on the hype) so at least that's one person.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah, I shoulda joined this place sooner. But, I wasn't into message boards much. Actually, I'm fallin' back out as more an' more asshoels get free reign with little to no moderation interception, but it's nice to have people to talk to I don't hafta explain an entire backstory to first.

But I do have some friends who like th' movies as well. My girl liked Daredevil an' th' X-flicks. Hasn't seen Spidey yet though.

[spidey-dude]

so what was everyones fav issue featuring ol ben? mine is the one below as it is the first us comic i every got (i live in the U.K)
http://www.xraycomics.com/scans/amazing_scarlet_spider_2.jpg
or this uk monthly collection of spidey comics which i cant find a pic of, the front cover is scarlet spider though which is what caused me to buy the book

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Oh geeze, don't make me choose. Can I pick...th' whole run?

[Citizen_Kaine]

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_spectacular,217-b.jpg

The Flip Side of Power and Responsibility

Birth of a Spider Man Part 4

[spidey-dude]

cool, whats the story in this issue....
?

[Citizen_Kaine]

Its a four part story,on the back of Power and Responsibilty

Basically it retells the original clone saga through the clone's eye (In part four it's via Ben's perspective)

Part One WEB 117 Is the clones creation

Part Two ASM 394 Is when he meets Gwen

Part Three PP 51 Is his first introduction with Spider Man

Part Four Spec 217 Is Ben's fight with Peter in ASM 149, and his revelation that his life is nothing but a lie

Powerful stuff by DeMatties :up:

[SpideyInATree]

so what was everyones fav issue featuring ol ben? mine is the one below as it is the first us comic i every got (i live in the U.K)
http://www.xraycomics.com/scans/amazing_scarlet_spider_2.jpg
or this uk monthly collection of spidey comics which i cant find a pic of, the front cover is scarlet spider though which is what caused me to buy the book

I really liked that storyline they did with "The Game". A bunch of rich guys betting on who's superpowered/enhanced player could beat the other and they wanted Scarlet Spider as one of the targets. Definitely a story I could have gotten into but they quickly dropped it. :(