Your Thoughts on Juggernaut?

[mrXfantastic4]

Not sure if its been asked before, but Im gonna post anyways....

I know a lot of people over at the IMDB forums are complaining about the look of Juggernaut. I am a huge fan of this character, always have been, and I like his new look. It gives him more of a REALISTIC vibe, and I like that.

Your thoughts?

[Sun_Down]

I like it well enough. I mean, he'll definitely be the tallest guy on screen and I think the muscle suit makes him look real enough, but also kinda unnatural, which is how he should look. I honestly don't think there's a way to make a character like him not look a little silly anyway, so I'm fine with his look.

[The_Sc0rpi0N]

his helmet looks too much like magneto's, they shouldve made it more faithful to the comics

[TNC9852002]

I agree completely with sun_down

his helmet looks too much like magneto's, they shouldve made it more faithful to the comics
If they wanted that, they would've had to cut Vinnie's neck off.. :p Some things translate well and others don't..I'm pretty sure that they tried it..

-TNC

[Cosmic]

I'm not feeling the open midriff, and I wonder how he'd look with a mask underneath the helmet, but aside from that, I think he looks decent. How he looks is less important than what he does, IMO.

[WhiteQueenOf17]

the movie juggernaut looks more human and believable so it could work out for the best.

[Nathan]

I think his height is fine for Juggernaut. And the costume would also look good, but because his body looks so puny it doesn't. Just look at his fist for example.

And the worst of all, is the helmet.

[psylockolussus]

He's pretty sexy. Help me, I can't resist .

[trusty]

Sorry - Not feeling the love with this 'new' juggernaut. For one, he's puny. Juggy is is enormous! He should tower over all of the other brotherhood. His chest alone is as wide as a refridgerator! Secondly, the helmet. Juggernaut just isn't juggernaut without the dome. Besides, there's a very important storyline behind the helmet.

I understand that creators like to be creative but c'mon. Let's be creative somewhere else and leave the characters alone. Serious fans will be more impressed at how closely these movie houses stick to the original ideas of the Bullpen!

SjN:xmen:

[C0L0SSUS]

I don't think they could have pulled off a realistic look for Juggy w/ proportions that are in the comics. Yeah, he's supposed to be a monolith, but it would look unreal. I think a good example of such proportions looking exaggerated is the character 'Mr.Hyde' from The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. It was a really neat effect, but it looked too animated. Despite the look of the helmet, I'm still freakin' out that Marko and Rasputin are being represented in the flick as they've appeared in the pics and trailer! Hot damn!

[Sasquatch]

Is Juggernaut taller than Colossus?

[salad fingers]

Yes, atleast in the comics.

[Shadowflare]

If it were his new comicbook look, I would say no way. But in the context of this movie, I think it's more than passable and I have no real complaints. I think there are more concerns with this movie than what Juggernaut's costume looks like, and whatever differences there are between the movie version and the comic version are pretty incidental in my view. I'm just happy with what I see so far, and more than a little relieved at this point to be nitpicking his size and costume. I'll give it a thumbs up.

Is Juggernaut taller than Colossus?

In the comics, yes. I have yet to see the size relation for this movie however.

[Sasquatch]

So that would make Juggs near 8ft tall in the comics... since C is supposed to be 7'5". I doubt they'll make C grow when he transforms in X3.

[sparky_parker]

juggy vs cyclops

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/sparky_parker/38673e86.jpg

[Juggernaut]

man that is wrong

[CodeOfGambit24]

I think they look that they have for Juggernaut will be good. You have to keep in mind that the general public will have to identify with him. He is not a major character so to make him more human like, but in a way that strength and toughness are completely obvious is definitely the way to go.

Lets face it...If it were left up to us. We would like to see Wolverine in Black and yellow spandex with his mask, and Cyclops to bein his blue and yellow suit from the comics and so on...

But there has to be a realistic effect to it.

[Duneboy]

haven't seen him in full costume except for a brief glimpse in the new teaser & the promo head shot. aslong as they keep the subtleness of the costumes, i'm sure it'll be fine.

[javi1024]

well i dont like the fact that his torso is exposed. from that still shot u can see hes wearing a body suit and if it was covered it wouldnt look so wierd. my only other "complaint" would be that i wouldve wanted his helmet to be connected to his uniform as normal.

[javi1024]

I'm not feeling the open midriff, and I wonder how he'd look with a mask underneath the helmet, but aside from that, I think he looks decent. How he looks is less important than what he does, IMO.
agreed. as long as he causes some serious damage when battling colossus im sure everything else will be overlooked.

[Muncher]

I dont have anything SERIOUSLY wrong with the jugs' costume
but something that bugs me are the colours.
the movie version uses several shades of brown for different sections but the comics were more red, even if, over time, they became more browny it doesnt look as good without the red

P.S. I also have a problem with mr. V.Jones greased up body under the suit

[BT18]

fake looking fake muscles = a realistic vibe ???

real muscles on a guy named Jones = realistic

http://www.gerweck.net/nathanjones.jpg

fake muscles on some 6 foot tall Guy Ritchie actor named Jones = Matthew Vaughns crappy dumb legacy on the X-Men franchise.

http://www.filmweb.no/bilder/multimedia/archive/00024/Vinnie_Jones_i_Snatc_24410c.jpg

[Duneboy]

aslong as it's not over the top & more subtle (believable), that much better.

[ghost113]

It looks okay but vinnie jones could pull it off even with the f'd up helmet

[TheRagin'Cajun]

(sorry about this my quote thing wasnt working for some odd reason and i cant figure out how to delete this if i can check out my real post over on the next part...sorry again)

[TheRagin'Cajun]

I understand that creators like to be creative but c'mon. Let's be creative somewhere else and leave the characters alone. Serious fans will be more impressed at how closely these movie houses stick to the original ideas of the Bullpen!

SjN:xmen:

yea i agree and i havent seen pictures of him yet anyone want to tell me where to find them? o and im only worried about the helmet (the bare midriff thing im not liking too well either...) but im more concerned for his voice! im a die hard comic fan but i did watch the show growing up and any other voice for the juggernaut is atrocius! i just cant deal with it!!!!! lets hope this movie is better than we all hope its gonna be though!!!

[cookiva]

That is one thing that people shouldnt fear. Vinnie Jones's voice, when he has a non-regional accent on, sounds perfect for the part of Juggernaut....

[ghost113]

Iv'e never heard him without the accent

[Juggernaut88]

i have seen the guy that plays the juggernaut and the costume and i have no problem with it .......just the fact that his helmet is stupid looking i mean come on its magnetos helmet made out of concrete or something i mean after i saw the helmet i set out and made my own helmet that is baddass <center>
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but yeah they tried and they failed .....horribly:csad:

[November Rain]

look was fine although there are better bigger british actors that could have pulled it off, especially ones that could have come across as ginger more...

except for that, everything was wrong, motivation usefulness, attitude, non relation to xavier, the whole lot....

[LastSunrise1981]

I was about 50/50 on the look of Juggernaut. I understood that you really couldn't do his look faithfully without it looking absolutely stupid.

What did I think of him? I was a bit indifferent towards him on X3 to be honest. As a kid I did love him as a character and his look, but in the film I was more or less feeling "meh" about Juggernaut.

Character wise he could've been expanded upon had the hacks actually tried and did their homework, but instead they decided to make him into the typical muscular no brain guy.

Juggernaut is one of those intelligent vicious characters. I would've loved to have seen or had a reference to his relationship with Xavier, more viciousness from him, and I would've loved to have seen him actually contribute to the final battle instead of getting knocked out by a wall.

So I'm about 50/50 on Juggernaut.

[X-Maniac]

It's understandable they left out the link with Xavier, just as they left out the Wolverine/Deathstrike, Wolverine/Sabretooth and Nightcrawler/Mystique connections in previous movies. It makes it too complex, a bit incestuous and a bit soap-opera-ish, if everyone turns out to be related to everyone else.

I was unsure about Juggernaut's comic lines and the light-hearted approach, though it is pretty much like the cartoon version and some of the comicbook version.

[LastSunrise1981]

It's understandable they left out the link with Xavier, just as they left out the Wolverine/Deathstrike, Wolverine/Sabretooth and Nightcrawler/Mystique connections in previous movies. It makes it too complex, a bit incestuous and a bit soap-opera-ish, if everyone turns out to be related to everyone else.

I was unsure about Juggernaut's comic lines and the light-hearted approach, though it is pretty much like the cartoon version and some of the comicbook version.

A typical loyalist response. :whatever:

The Wolverine/Sabretooth storyline was very much implied in X1.

The fact that Juggernaut/Xavier are half brothers is what makes their relationship more interesting. It's a Cain and Abel concept that makes it very interesting to read about and see.

It's not complex at all. You just have this mindset like Kinberg who just wants action, action, and no emotion whatsoever.

We don't know if Wolverine/Deathstrikes past was in X2 since she was brainwashed the entire time. Had they actually filmed some scenes of her not under his control it might've been different.

[X-Maniac]

A typical loyalist response. :whatever:

The Wolverine/Sabretooth storyline was very much implied in X1.

The fact that Juggernaut/Xavier are half brothers is what makes their relationship more interesting. It's a Cain and Abel concept that makes it very interesting to read about and see.

It's not complex at all. You just have this mindset like Kinberg who just wants action, action, and no emotion whatsoever.

We don't know if Wolverine/Deathstrikes past was in X2 since she was brainwashed the entire time. Had they actually filmed some scenes of her not under his control it might've been different.

The grabbing of Wolverine's dogtags was a very brief implication of a previous knowledge or familiarity, it might just as easily been a territorial response, a claiming of superiority and victory, like a trophy.

But, as these previous connections were left out of Bryan's movies - which had slower pacing and fewer characters - one can hardly expect the Juggernaut relationship to be prominent in X3.

My response isn't loyalist - i did say i was very unsure of the comedic quality given to the character. It's just that your response is typical hater, in that you will find any reason to dislike what you saw. No doubt the grain of the wood in the panelling in Xavier's mansion was not to your taste this time around. :oldrazz:

[My Red Sight]

Well, I cringed when he spoke, but I loved the Juggernaut/Kitty scene. He was a fun character, but that's all.

[LastSunrise1981]

Well, I cringed when he spoke, but I loved the Juggernaut/Kitty scene. He was a fun character, but that's all.

Juggernaut needed to be more than just a "fun character". He has a unique story and is an interesting character.

The fact that he's relegated to the typical muscle brained henchmen made me hate the film even more.

[X-Maniac]

Juggernaut needed to be more than just a "fun character". He has a unique story and is an interesting character.

The fact that he's relegated to the typical muscle brained henchmen made me hate the film even more.

He hasn't really been much more than a dumb muscleman in the comics either.

And his unique story of being powered by finding magical gems in the jungle served no purpose in the movie where they were depicting a mutant vs human world.

As I said, not sure about some of the lines, disappointed at no showdown with Colossus... otherwise, he was obviously the Juggernaut character...

[Cyclops]

Instead of Juggernaut, we got a superstrong brute and nothing more. There was nothing about this guy that reminded me of The Juggernaut. He was just a bruiser.

[My Red Sight]

I didn't care that there was no showdown between him and Colossus. The way I see it is that there would either be a Colossus/juggernaut showdown, Kitty/Juggernaut showdown, or Rogue/Juggernaut showdown. I'm extremely happy with the Kitty one, so no complaints here.

[LastSunrise1981]

I didn't care that there was no showdown between him and Colossus. The way I see it is that there would either be a Colossus/juggernaut showdown, Kitty/Juggernaut showdown, or Rogue/Juggernaut showdown. I'm extremely happy with the Kitty one, so no complaints here.

How is it a showdown? It wasn't much of one since he spent most of his time chasing her.

The better showdown would've been Colossus/Juggernaut.

[My Red Sight]

But it was some darn good chasing

=D

[BMM]

I was a bit disappointed to hear that Juggernaut had been announced as a villain, more so because he was to simply serve as another mere henchman of Magneto’s, which we had already seen plenty of 6 years ago in X-Men. I was hoping for the addition of a more meaningful and weighty nemesis to add freshness to the villainous dynamic . . . perhaps another malevolent but prominent mutant perspective other than Magneto’s (or at least one working in conjunction with Magneto’s).

Juggernaut didn’t do much save for knocking a few people over while delivering some of the worst dialogue in the trilogy. He did manage one of the better sequences in The Last Stand though, the race with Kitty Pryde. Other than that, he was pretty useless. If Juggernaut was to be in the film, at least ditch the more prominent roles of Arclight, Callisto, and Quills, and give me Mystique. Romijn's Mystique was so much cooler than the three of those characters combined.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4201/mystique3zr0.jpg

[Mike059jig]

It's understandable they left out the link with Xavier, just as they left out the Wolverine/Deathstrike, Wolverine/Sabretooth and Nightcrawler/Mystique connections in previous movies. It makes it too complex, a bit incestuous and a bit soap-opera-ish, if everyone turns out to be related to everyone else.
I was unsure about Juggernaut's comic lines and the light-hearted approach, though it is pretty much like the cartoon version and some of the comicbook version.Oh the difference is that Wolverine/Deathstrike had a huge fight scene cause they are rival......so as Sabretooth.....got the essence of the comic rivalry there....interaction between Nightcrawler/Mystique was fun to watch...even singer quoted it was a sign to the fans.....can't say that about Juggs and Professor interacted acted at all can't you....no grudge, not nothing

[chaseter]

I think Juggernaut looked great.

[X-Maniac]

I was a bit disappointed to hear that Juggernaut had been announced as a villain, more so because he was to simply serve as another mere henchman of Magneto’s, which we had already seen plenty of 6 years ago in X-Men. I was hoping for the addition of a more meaningful and weighty nemesis to add freshness to the villainous dynamic . . . perhaps another malevolent but prominent mutant perspective other than Magneto’s (or at least one working in conjunction with Magneto’s).

Juggernaut didn’t do much save for knocking a few people over while delivering some of the worst dialogue in the trilogy. He did manage one of the better sequences in The Last Stand though, the race with Kitty Pryde. Other than that, he was pretty useless. If Juggernaut was to be in the film, at least ditch the more prominent roles of Arclight, Callisto, and Quills, and give me Mystique. Romijn's Mystique was so much cooler than the three of those characters combined.

Mystique had her moments in X1, X2 and also in X3. It's not necessarily the end of the character - she could be a clothed, bobbed-hair criminal who eventually forms Freedom Force, as in the comics - she probably still has her fighting skills too, it's just the shapeshifting (and probably the agility) that have gone. Didn't Rebecca make it clear she was tiring of the make-up process? Her true form as revealed in X3 also makes it rather hard to imagine she could be Nightcrawler's mother...

People on here really wanted Juggernaut. I was opposed to the idea, but there seemed an overwhelming demand when it was suggested he could be in it. The majority won. What we did get was pretty obviously Juggernaut. Magneto obviously needed muscle and might for his army. Juggernaut or Blob seemed likely contenders for that role.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Everyone here knows i didnt like the movie, and one of the reasons is Juggernaut, he was a joke and not even a shadow of the comic book character. This guy is meant to be able to go toe-to-toe with the Hulk, as it is, he would struggle against the movie Thing. And dont even get me started on his lines and dumbness.

[flavio_lebeau]

i agree with BMM. They could've droped everyone and have let Mystique, one of the best villains ever.

[Cyclops]

Everyone here knows i didnt like the movie, and one of the reasons is Juggernaut, he was a joke and not even a shadow of the comic book character. This guy is meant to be able to go toe-to-toe with the Hulk, as it is, he would struggle against the movie Thing. And dont even get me started on his lines and dumbness.

It's not even the power levels that bugged me. He had no personality, no level of menace (unless you find the equivalent of constipation to be intimidating), and every word out of his mouth was cringe-worthy.

He made Sabretooth from the first film seem like a spot-on translation. "Scream for me" vs. "I'm the Jeggehnawt, bb*****!"

No contest.

[chaseter]

The Juggernaut was fine and differed from his comic counter part just like every other movie character. He beat the ***** out of the unstoppable Wolverine. I just wish he and Colossus would have gotten their fight scene. It would have given both of them more screen time and added a great scene. When Juggernaut plowed through all of the soldiers at Alcatraz, Colossus should have closed line him and the fight ensued. Of course Colossus would loose, but it would still be cool.

[X-Maniac]

i agree with BMM. They could've droped everyone and have let Mystique, one of the best villains ever.

Dropped everyone??? An army consisting merely of Magneto and Mystique?
Not much of an army...

[javon]

Juggs was such a punk in this film. That wasn't the rightperson to portray him AT ALL. His voice didn't sound scary at all and that is what gave it away most. He said something like "I don't swim" like a little *** and I jst didn't like him because he didn't give all of a scary vibe.:o

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I thought that Juggernaut was one of the better parts of the film.

He's definatley my favorite non-Magneto villian in the trilogy... seeing as I have never liked Mystique, she doesn't qualify. Magneto turning his back on her is one of my favorite scenes in the trilogy :)

[javon]

^Explains why u don't like her j/k

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

:huh: :huh: :huh:

[The Original Bamfer]

I'm not really sure what it was - but for me - everything about Juggernaut seemed right. Everything from making him a mutant to his end, it worked. His costume pulled itself off as well, despite my initial worries. I'm very much a Movie-Verse Juggernaut Fan. :up:

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm not really sure what it was - but for me - everything about Juggernaut seemed right. Everything from making him a mutant to his end, it worked. His costume pulled itself off as well, despite my initial worries. I'm very much a Movie-Verse Juggernaut Fan. :up:

My only complaint with the Juggernaut character was how he was taken out.

I mean, come on! It's the Juggernaut, *****! I don't care if he is a mutant, and Leech is nearby. Juggernaut, of all people, is not rendered out for the count because he runs into a wall! That's just not right!

Whatever happened to the animated series version of Juggernaut, where it took an entire team effort just to get his helment off so Jean could telepathically attack his mind? Okay, so Jean was a nutcase and Xavier was in a million little pieces back at Jean's old house, but they still could have had a team effort of taking him out, not having Kitty move out of his way as he slams into a wall :(

Other than that, Juggernaut was pretty much on point. That's all Juggernaut is is a walking one liner, so I don't understand the complaints over his dialogue.

[The Original Bamfer]

My only complaint with the Juggernaut character was how he was taken out.

I mean, come on! It's the Juggernaut, *****! I don't care if he is a mutant, and Leech is nearby. Juggernaut, of all people, is not rendered out for the count because he runs into a wall! That's just not right!

Whatever happened to the animated series version of Juggernaut, where it took an entire team effort just to get his helment off so Jean could telepathically attack his mind? Okay, so Jean was a nutcase and Xavier was in a million little pieces back at Jean's old house, but they still could have had a team effort of taking him out, not having Kitty move out of his way as he slams into a wall :(

Other than that, Juggernaut was pretty much on point. That's all Juggernaut is is a walking one liner, so I don't understand the complaints over his dialogue.

See, I liked how he was taken out. Sure, it isn't anything that would happen to traditional Juggs, but because of the restrictions in the film (and in the big case; reality), it makes sense for Leech's power to affect him. I really think it was clever. I mean, it was something I wouldn't have thought of doing. :up:

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Obviously it was realistic... but I don't think it was clever. It's Juggernaut of all people.

I understand the mutant thing, and the Leech negating his power thing... but it's just not right to see JUGGERNAUT taken out by running into a wall :(

[Cyclops]

Juggernaut should have been a force of nature. Instead he was... well, he was Rhino-lite.

[flavio_lebeau]

Dropped everyone??? An army consisting merely of Magneto and Mystique?
Not much of an army...
*sigh* well i didnt mean the entire army. I meant the glorious appearances of Arclight, Quills, Psylocke, Juggernaut and Callisto. I wish i could see Mystique fighting more X-men than Wolverine.

[X-Maniac]

*sigh* well i didnt mean the entire army. I meant the glorious appearances of Arclight, Quills, Psylocke, Juggernaut and Callisto. I wish i could see Mystique fighting more X-men than Wolverine.

I see... But his army did have to have other characters, and some of them did need to be more than blurred faces in the distance. I don't think these secondary characters were meant to be developed or otherwise explored, they were hardly referred to by name; they were just henchmen, followers and sidekicks who aided him and who were chosen by the writers for their powers (being henchmen, their characters/personalities etc didn't really matter that much).

I wondered myself why Quill was in it, but he was there for diversity, to show a physical mutation and because Marvel suggested him to the writers for inclusion in the movie as a good visual.

Mystique's speed, strength and acrobatic agility means she will always be paired only against someone with powers that make them a good match.

[Madnessfollows]

You know how Juggernaut was taken out, I didn't think it would work. Juggernuat's not a mutant, is he? Didn't he get his powers from a crystal or something? If that's so, then Leech's power shouldn't have worked on him.

[Spider-Fan83]

You know how Juggernaut was taken out, I didn't think it would work. Juggernuat's not a mutant, is he? Didn't he get his powers from a crystal or something? If that's so, then Leech's power shouldn't have worked on him.
in the movie he was a mutant, but, I’d still stay even without his powers he still had his hamlet on, and is still a very large and strong guy
if his size and strength is part of his mutation, it would of been kinda interesting to see him shrink down to a skinny guy, when he lost it powers lol
but, the movie, and that scene still totally work for me.:woot:

[The Original Bamfer]

in the movie he was a mutant, but, I’d still stay even without his powers he still had his hamlet on, and is still a very large and strong guy
if his size and strength is part of his mutation, it would of been kinda interesting to see him shrink down to a skinny guy, when he lost it powers lol
but, the movie, and that scene still totally work for me.:woot:

His helmet ("hamlet" :p), unlike his comic counterpart, played no part in giving him power. I assumed it was for an additional defense and to block off mental attacks much like Magneto's. From the looks of the raw thing, it seemed not to have very comfortable padding, and the weight of it would probably do Juggernaut in without his powers (you'd think he'd realize he lost his power once he felt the helmet's heaviness).

I agree, it would have been cool to see some X-Men actually fighting him, but, without Jean, there'd be no use. I think it was great how they effectively used Leech as well as Juggernaut's own wreckless destruction against him.

[flavio_lebeau]

I see... But his army did have to have other characters, and some of them did need to be more than blurred faces in the distance. I don't think these secondary characters were meant to be developed or otherwise explored, they were hardly referred to by name; they were just henchmen, followers and sidekicks who aided him and who were chosen by the writers for their powers (being henchmen, their characters/personalities etc didn't really matter that much).

I wondered myself why Quill was in it, but he was there for diversity, to show a physical mutation and because Marvel suggested him to the writers for inclusion in the movie as a good visual.

Mystique's speed, strength and acrobatic agility means she will always be paired only against someone with powers that make them a good match.
well, none of this really makes an excuse for the lack of Mystique...at least in my opinion. It was one of the (many) flaws i saw in the movie. Wasting one of the greatest characters created in the trilogy, and in such a poor way...

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Watching Mystique shrivel away into non-mutantness and watching Magneto walk away from her made me very happy, knowing I'd never have to see her again.

:)

[flavio_lebeau]

Watching Mystique shrivel away into non-mutantness and watching Magneto walk away from her made me very happy, knowing I'd never have to see her again.

:)
good for you.

[LastSunrise1981]

Nell is one of those loyalists who enjoys absolute crap. The fact that Mystique was removed in the lamest and most ridiculous ways possible is another reason why this film sucks.

Mystique has always been one of my favorites in the comics and in the films. Just watching her play mind games, own soldiers, and own Wolverine in the first film is what really draws me to her. It also doesn't hurt that Rebecca does an excellent job with the role too.

But unlike a few loyalists here in this particular forum, I don't accept mediocre material and accept a piece of crap depiction of JINO(Juggernaut In Name Only).

I would've loved to have seen Mystique in the final battle. Maybe Mystique vs. Kitty? Mystique vs. Wolverine again? Or maybe even Mystique vs. Storm?

Could've been interesting. Such a shame they completely screwed Rebecca over.

[chaseter]

Nell is one of those loyalists who enjoys absolute crap. The fact that Mystique was removed in the lamest and most ridiculous ways possible is another reason why this film sucks.

Mystique has always been one of my favorites in the comics and in the films. Just watching her play mind games, own soldiers, and own Wolverine in the first film is what really draws me to her. It also doesn't hurt that Rebecca does an excellent job with the role too.

But unlike a few loyalists here in this particular forum, I don't accept mediocre material and accept a piece of crap depiction of JINO(Juggernaut In Name Only).

I would've loved to have seen Mystique in the final battle. Maybe Mystique vs. Kitty? Mystique vs. Wolverine again? Or maybe even Mystique vs. Storm?

Could've been interesting. Such a shame they completely screwed Rebecca over.

You are an absolute **** and continue to agitate things in here.

Althought I do agree Mystique was wasted. She was a great character in the movies and obviously played an important role. It would have been better had she taken a dart for Magneto in the final battle perhaps. After battling with Kitty or some soldiers as you mention.

[N_z0]

I was fine with Juggernaut's depiction in the movie as I expected them to dumb him down. That costume, particularly that helmet, is just cringe-worthy and I don't know how anyone would think it actually looks good, much less passable, expecially for a $200 Million production.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

You are an absolute **** and continue to agitate things in here.

It's a shame the ignore function doesn't work against other posters quoting said board member on ignore list :(

Even with him on ignore, I still have to see the blatant idiocy that is LastSunrise.

I love how I started out as a poster he respected, because of my "intelligence" when debating the movie, but as soon as my views get to a point that he doesn't accept, I'm a loyalist all of a sudden.

:)

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That costume, particularly that helmet, is just cringe-worthy and I don't know how anyone would think it actually looks good, much less passable, expecially for a $200 Million production.

I don't have a problem with the costume.

When it was first revealed, someone even posted a picture directly from the comics in which Juggernaut looked EXACTLY as he does in the movie, so it's not like his appearance is unfaithful or anything.

[Decay]

I'm frankly not a big fan of this character but I guess he was ok in the movie.

[chaseter]

It's a shame the ignore function doesn't work against other posters quoting said board member on ignore list :(

Even with him on ignore, I still have to see the blatant idiocy that is LastSunrise.

I love how I started out as a poster he respected, because of my "intelligence" when debating the movie, but as soon as my views get to a point that he doesn't accept, I'm a loyalist all of a sudden.

:)
He just cannot accept it that at least one person on here liked the movie. I love to argue and I will defend this "good" movie until I die or leave the boards out of boredom. There are a bunch of people on here I constantly disagree with on certain subjects but don't degrade them on a personal level as to try to make myself look cooler. He is a d!ck and will always be one on here.

p.s. Juggy looked good.

[AznBABYBANDIT]

Check http://media.dvd.ign.com/media/845/845171/vids_1.html
good clip with decent jugg

[DarknessOfDeath]

I dunno... but I liked the part when Logan stabbed him in the arm. hehe. I didn't like what Juggs said in the beginning...I don't particularly like the end fo the fight scene with the lightening.

[LastSunrise1981]

I dunno... but I liked the part when Logan stabbed him in the arm. hehe. I didn't like what Juggs said in the beginning...I don't particularly like the end fo the fight scene with the lightening.

I'll continue hoping for a restart so we can at least get a faithful more intimidating Juggernaut.

My puppy wouldn't even be scared of the version we received.

http://informationcentral0.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/juggernaut.gif

I know there is no way a director or costume designer could pull off this look without it looking silly on the big screen.

http://www.moviemachine.nl/images/news/juggernaut%202.jpg

I wish now they could've kept this look for him. :csad:

[DarknessOfDeath]

im referring to the extended scene. I hope your not starting again...not with me, I hope.

[N_z0]

I don't have a problem with the costume.

When it was first revealed, someone even posted a picture directly from the comics in which Juggernaut looked EXACTLY as he does in the movie, so it's not like his appearance is unfaithful or anything.

I suppose your referring to the Ultimately Juggernaut costume.

I actually didn't mind Juggernaut's movie costume. It's when he puts on the helmet...

[DarknessOfDeath]

I suppose your referring to the Ultimately Juggernaut costume.

I actually didn't mind Juggernaut's movie costume. It's when he puts on the helmet...

I agree, when he put the helmet on, it looked nothing like the helmet in the comics.

Besides, Juggernaut is my least fave character. Yeah he's okay. But I think he didn't serve much to the story. I would have preferred Mystique over Juggers. I'd like to have seen a rematch between Logan and Mystique. Would have been nice. I would have taken quills out of the equation and Arclight. two stupid wasted mutants...Callisto was okay. but I think Magneto, Mystique and Pyro are ENOUGH. lol.. well were enough. okay. My rant is done :p

[LastSunrise1981]

I suppose your referring to the Ultimately Juggernaut costume.

I actually didn't mind Juggernaut's movie costume. It's when he puts on the helmet...

Well, just remember this.

http://www.moviemachine.nl/images/news/juggernaut%202.jpg

His helmet should've looked exactly like this.

[N_z0]

What exactly was the point of calling Ken Leung's character Kid Omega?

[xii22_loop]

apparently that kid Omega name was a mistake, and it was too late or something to change it. Kinberg said it in some recent (around Comic Con i think) interview

[N_z0]

Too late to change the name Kid Omega on the credits?

Nevertheless, Kinberg should have known that that's not how Kid Omega's powers work. Not in the slightest. He should have known better seeing as he's the biggest X-men fan in the world. Just ask Ratner. :p

[LastSunrise1981]

Too late to change the name Kid Omega on the credits?

Nevertheless, Kinberg should have known that that's not how Kid Omega's powers work. Not in the slightest. He should have known better seeing as he's the biggest X-men fan in the world. Just ask Ratner. :p

But, but according to X-Maniac, Danoyse, Boba Fett, and Nell, Kinberg is the biggest X-Men fan in the world and knows his material. That's why X3 was such a wonderful masterpiece!

:whatever: :wow: :wow:

[DarknessOfDeath]

Kinberg f***king lied about being a fan.

[lordofthenerds]

The costume was fine, the character was meh....

[X-Maniac]

Too late to change the name Kid Omega on the credits?

Nevertheless, Kinberg should have known that that's not how Kid Omega's powers work. Not in the slightest. He should have known better seeing as he's the biggest X-men fan in the world. Just ask Ratner. :p

There's more to this story than meets the eye. They must have chosen the name Kid Omega for a reason. Zak Penn says it was a 'screw-up' but i don't quite believe that. Kid Omega appears in the Endsong story (a Phoenix story) and is a powerful psychic with a resurrection ability. He is also one of the avatars for the Phoenix force.

I suspect (but have no evidence for this) that in early story structures he might have been intended to bring back Jean Grey (either at the beginning or end of the film) or corrupt her to darkness. It's also interesting to norte that Kid Omega and his gang went to a mutant tattooist and had their arms marked with an Omega symbol - and we do have these tattoos in the movie.

It would have been better than having him become Quill. Then we could have had Psylocke killing Dr Rao with her psi-blades instead.

[flavio_lebeau]

i can't wait to see the original script for the movie, before Ratner made his "awesome changes".

When the script was leaked, we knew what would happen in the first two acts, but no one could ever imagine what would come in the third one (except for the huge battle). But then, Ratner arrives, and makes so much changes that he moves the part we knew from the plot (Golden Gate) to the third act, and changes most of the story, thus making us know everything that would come. That was a brilliant move from his part.

I'd rather get Magneto freeing prisioners from Alcatraz and the huge fight in Washington, than to have the Golden gate bridge (which we already knew exactly how would happen) in the final act. He simply made the only surprise left (the original third act) disappear.

[LastSunrise1981]

i can't wait to see the original script for the movie, before Ratner made his "awesome changes".

When the script was leaked, we knew what would happen in the first two acts, but no one could ever imagine what would come in the third one (except for the huge battle). But then, Ratner arrives, and makes so much changes that he moves the part we knew from the plot (Golden Gate) to the third act, and changes most of the story, thus making us know everything that would come. That was a brilliant move from his part.

I'd rather get Magneto freeing prisioners from Alcatraz and the huge fight in Washington, than to have the Golden gate bridge (which we already knew exactly how would happen) in the final act. He simply made the only surprise left (the original third act) disappear.

Regardless of what others may say, the original script is not much different than the one that was filmed.

The only MAJOR change was the Golden Gate Bridge section. Apparently it happens in the middle of the film, but Ratner opted to have it moved to the finale event.

Also the final battle was originally supposed to take place in Washington D.C., but Ratner and his infinite wisdom decided to take it to San Fransisco. :whatever: Seriously, how anyone can support Ratner, Penn, Kinberg, and Rothman is mind boggling to me. It just seems blasphemous that they literally defecated on the greatest story in comic book history.

This film was only made to make a quick buck.

[X-Maniac]

Regardless of what others may say, the original script is not much different than the one that was filmed.

The only MAJOR change was the Golden Gate Bridge section. Apparently it happens in the middle of the film, but Ratner opted to have it moved to the finale event.

Also the final battle was originally supposed to take place in Washington D.C., but Ratner and his infinite wisdom decided to take it to San Fransisco. :whatever: Seriously, how anyone can support Ratner, Penn, Kinberg, and Rothman is mind boggling to me. It just seems blasphemous that they literally defecated on the greatest story in comic book history.

This film was only made to make a quick buck.

I don't know what real difference it would have made to your opinion of the movie if the final scenes were in Washington. You'd still get Cyclops vaporised, Rogue cured, no firebird, etc etc. This is only a location we are talking about here.

Brett said he made the decision because the bridge scene seemed epic/dramatic so it should lead straight to the climactic battle, rather than the movie reaching its peak in the middle (which was what happened in Superman, when the stuff with the island - Lex and henchmen beating him up, he recovers and throw it into space - happened in the middle of the movie, so the story then went on a downwards slope, drooping into a non-conclusive, non-climactic ending).

I'd like to see the original shooting script, but I've a feeling that there have been many rewrites along the way that it's hard to pinpoint an original shooting script! I'd still like to see some scripts though... what a shame they weren't in the Art of X3 book...

I like the original ideas of Alcatraz being a mutant prison, and of a battle scene in Washington... but you can see why they opted to streamline and simplify the locations (and save time and money as well as making the storyline stronger when the bridge leads to the battle).

There is more than one way they could have done the movie, and we all have our own ideas on what we wanted to make it our dream version...

[LastSunrise1981]

I don't know what real difference it would have made to your opinion of the movie if the final scenes were in Washington. You'd still get Cyclops vaporised, Rogue cured, no firebird, etc etc. This is only a location we are talking about here.

Brett said he made the decision because the bridge scene seemed epic/dramatic so it should lead straight to the climactic battle, rather than the movie reaching its peak in the middle (which was what happened in Superman, when the stuff with the island - Lex and henchmen beating him up, he recovers and throw it into space - happened in the middle of the movie, so the story then went on a downwards slope, drooping into a non-conclusive, non-climactic ending).

I'd like to see the original shooting script, but I've a feeling that there have been many rewrites along the way that it's hard to pinpoint an original shooting script! I'd still like to see some scripts though... what a shame they weren't in the Art of X3 book...

I like the original ideas of Alcatraz being a mutant prison, and of a battle scene in Washington... but you can see why they opted to streamline and simplify the locations (and save time and money as well as making the storyline stronger when the bridge leads to the battle).

There is more than one way they could have done the movie, and we all have our own ideas on what we wanted to make it our dream version...

Actually, the original shooting script is the one that leaked out onto the internet.

[flavio_lebeau]

well, i remember there was also something about Rogue attending Brotherhood meetings, so we can only suppose it was quite the same. There may have been indeed some changes other than only the location.