Official The Ultimates Thread

[supermarvelman]

But also Cap gave Ultimate Hulk a good beating in their fight. So its reasonable to say that in an open arena like a field, and if Hank was more prepared, Cap could still kick his butt.
He is a trained soldier, a stratigist and combatant, plus he has all that super soldier serum in him making him stronger and faster.

Didnt Hank squash Cap's ass in the first volume of Ultimates, Cap didnt see it coming but just like in any fight all it takes is one good hit. Cap might be the better fighter and would probably beat Hank 8 out of 10 times but Hank still has a punchers chance.

[supermarvelman]

Actually the whole plane is intact, if you go back and read the issue you will see that they only distroyed the wings and nothing else. At first it looked to me like they ripped the plane in two and I had a big problem with that (because of the whole decompression at that hight). However if you look closly you will note that the plane is for the most part intact. I dont know where people get this idea that Mrs. Bush is dead, because I dont see that.

Who gives a F**K if she died, people are debating this as much as Magneto in New Avengers. WHO GIVES A F**K

[supermarvelman]

Yeah i wasn't buying Ben in shackles at least not ultimate Ben grimm.. suicide super soliders should have been all the easier for him imo. He should be the anchor guy like banner. I didn't like that too much espcially after reading Ult. FF. and ultimate nightmare, ext.. no freakin way buddy. Its gonna be a good fight though. Iron Man 6 where you at?

By next issue when Ben gets to put up a fight, I think he will be doing the second most damage next to Hulk. He'll be an anchor, he'll get his due.

[The Question]

Since when do I care about what you think? LOL And why do you care?

Truthfully? It's just damned ignorant on your part.

He ain't a muslim atheist. Get over it.

The thing is, how do we know he's Muslim? All we know is that he's from the middle east. He could easily be an athiest for all we know.

[Darthphere]

Q, will die trying.

[Darthphere]

Ok, I dont read Ultimates but what my peeps tell me and what you guys say here, it seems that the Liberators have due cause for this or not?

[i'm Spider-Man]

Also,,,is Laura Bush dead?? We didn't see her fall out of the plane. Yeah ...ol' George screams her name...but couldn't it have been out of concern?? After all the plane was actually still in tact on the tail end...which is where she probably was. Just guessin'....

just look at Crimson Dynamo's line straight after Bush's:

"Oh, don't worry about her...

... You're not going to die for hours yet."

kinda implies to me that they're both alive, waiting to be saved in issue 12 (or 13)

The plane's clearly intact too. I suppose when the super-soldiers flew through the wings and severed them from the plane, the people inside may have experienced 'some mild turbulence' and of course, Ol' Dubyah's going to be worried about the missus.

[El Bastardo]

Yep...like I said..."wishful thinking".

How is it wishful thinking? I doubt Millar's ever woken up one morning and said, "Boy, you know, I really wish that Laura Bush would die." It was a dramatic moment, and I'm sure that Laura wasn't the only person to be forcefully ejected from the plane.

Thinking it tasteful or not is a matter of opinion. Saying that Millar would love to see Laura Bush die is probably ignorant. Then again, look who it is. -_-

[i'm Spider-Man]

It was a dramatic moment, and I'm sure that Laura wasn't the only person to be forcefully ejected from the plane.

and I'm sure she wasn't forcefully ejected at all!

[El Bastardo]

Ok, I dont read Ultimates but what my peeps tell me and what you guys say here, it seems that the Liberators have due cause for this or not?

Well, technically, yes.

Essentially, the Liberators are acting as the "Ultimates" of several countries, mostly consisting of what seems to be a technological/genetic alliance between China, the Middle East, and Russia. I'm surprised North Korea isn't in there. :D Despite these countries traditionally being enemies of America, they are responding to the actions of America so far as the comic's events are concerned. Fury has used the Ultimates team as a part of foreign policy, Persons of Mass Destruction, to attack and cripple nations with nuclear capabilities, and as part of the war in the Middle East. The Liberators are formed and attack in what is, pretty much, a terrorist action.

So, yeah. Due cause.

[The Question]

I'm surprised North Korea isn't in there. :D

They are. Swarm represents North Korea.

[Savage]

Finally got this issue today and it was worth every penny. :D Finally we get to see them do MORE than just take an ass whoopin'. And I admit I grinned like an idiot during three moments. 1) Thor's empty cell 2) The return of Hawkeye, in full costume and all; and 3) The return of the Incredible Hulk. :D Everything from the silouhette with the baseball cap on up was just gold. This is going to be one of THE best mass smackdowns that I have seen in a while.

Oh, and I picked up Astonishing X-men today which also rocked so I'm all smiles today. :D

[celldog]

How is it wishful thinking? I doubt Millar's ever woken up one morning and said, "Boy, you know, I really wish that Laura Bush would die." It was a dramatic moment, and I'm sure that Laura wasn't the only person to be forcefully ejected from the plane.

Thinking it tasteful or not is a matter of opinion. Saying that Millar would love to see Laura Bush die is probably ignorant. Then again, look who it is. -_-


Dude.....I'm talking about the posters on these boards....not Millar. Read please!

[celldog]

Quote:
Originally Posted by celldog
He ain't a muslim atheist. Get over it.

Quote: by Question
The thing is, how do we know he's Muslim? All we know is that he's from the middle east. He could easily be an athiest for all we know.

Dude...you honestly believe that there are "professing" Arab Atheists in thew Middle East where Islam dominates life and government? You do know that is blasphemy and punishable by death..right?

Boy do you always jump to their defense??? You are something. This is Jihad on the Great Satan for The good Mr. W.


Do you think you can muster up just a little support for ol' Cap in the next issue??


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[The Question]

I'm not defending anyone. I'm just saying, you shouldn't simply assume that he's a devoit muslim. Smacks of ignorance. He could easily be athiest, or even christian. Sure, other religions aren't common in the middle east, but they exist. And, while you brought up the point of presicution, he could simply not tell anyone.

[El Bastardo]

Dude.....I'm talking about the posters on these boards....not Millar. Read please!

Oh, yep. Golly gee, my mistake. Although it still remains a fairly ignorant thing to say.

[celldog]

I'm not defending anyone. I'm just saying, you shouldn't simply assume that he's a devoit muslim. Smacks of ignorance. He could easily be athiest, or even christian. Sure, other religions aren't common in the middle east, but they exist. And, while you brought up the point of presicution, he could simply not tell anyone.


And I'm saying that YOU sir are just stretching your defense just a little far. You think for a moment that a Muslim government is gonna give super powers to a blasphemer? That's what Islamic governments call atheists. And all middle eastern governments are Islamic. Period. End of story. Only in the West or in a communist country would something like that happen. Capt. Jihad is not an atheist....You can put money on that. Talk about ignorance....geez. LOL

PS. And they sure ain't giving powers to a Christian!!! Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!! Man you are reaching.

[celldog]

Oh, yep. Golly gee, my mistake. Although it still remains a fairly ignorant thing to say.


Well...it seems to me that everyone but a few, were salivating over option #2 ........Laura getting whacked.

[The Question]

And I'm saying that YOU sir are just stretching your defense just a little far. You think for a moment that a Muslim government is gonna give super powers to a blasphemer? That's what Islamic governments call atheists. And all middle eastern governments are Islamic. Period. End of story. Only in the West or in a communist country would something like that happen. Capt. Jihad is not an atheist....You can put money on that. Talk about ignorance....geez. LOL

PS. And they sure ain't giving powers to a Christian!!! Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!! Man you are reaching.

Ooh. Ooh. I have a question. How the hell could they tell what religion he is? He could, very simply, not tell anyone. I know theocratic governments are not, historically, fond of non believers, but unless they're mind readers, they have no way of knowing what he really believes or not.

Well...it seems to me that everyone but a few, were salivating over option #2 ........Laura getting whacked.

No one was salivating over anything. They seemed more like they simply didn't care.

[Red]

Is Hitch staying on after Miller leaves?

[The Question]

No.

[Red]

Well that sucks. Who's replacing him?

[The Question]

Joe Madureira. Some of his art:



http://www.paintedanvil.com/jemad/joemad03.jpg


http://members.fortunecity.com/anvilfactory/joemad12.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b78/comicsimpulse/hom1.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b78/comicsimpulse/Widow.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b78/comicsimpulse/Cap_2.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b78/comicsimpulse/hulk2.jpg

[XwolverineX]

Which is cool art, but it doesn't suit the Ultimates mood at all. :o

[Darthphere]

Which is cool art, but it doesn't suit the Ultimates mood at all. :o


It doesnt suit Millar's Ultimates mood. Loeb's will be more classic Avengers superhero stories.

[GNR]

#11 was bananas.Simply ripe and yellow bananas.

[SpideyInATree]

It doesnt suit Millar's Ultimates mood. Loeb's will be more classic Avengers superhero stories.

He is correct. Trust me, xwolverinex, Loeb and Millar have two very different writing styles. Joe Mad's artwork will work well with Loeb's writing. I'm looking forward to Loeb's run very much.

And the latest issue, WHICH FINALLY CAME OUT!!! :eek:

Seeing the Ultimates slowly come back together after being wedged apart brutally has been a nice plot line. When Thor brings the hammer down it's going to be a "YES!" moment for me. And we sort of got one of those with Hulk, and a talking Hulk at that, which reminds me that Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine needs to HURRY UP AND COME OUT TOO!!! :mad:

But this is one of my favorite books and it delivers each and every time it comes out, which is rarely, heh.

But next issue is going to be truly intense and the more Hulk rampages the better. But I'm looking for Thor...he's gonna nail Loki good...he BETTER!

[GNR]

Anyone else kind of turned off by Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk now that we know Hulk makes it out alive and comes back to the US in intelligent Hulk mode?

I mean,sure there's still the Wolvie VS Hulk fight and the revelation of how Bruce came to terms with Hulk,but other than that,after reading #11,I found following Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk pointless now.

[PWN3R]

Anyone else kind of turned off by Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk now that we know Hulk makes it out alive and comes back to the US in intelligent Hulk mode?

I mean,sure there's still the Wolvie VS Hulk fight and the revelation of how Bruce came to terms with Hulk,but other than that,after reading #11,I found following Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk pointless now.

I really think that Bruce's return in #11 was suppose to be a huge shock, due to Ult. Wolverine VS Hulk. I mean look at the shot when the crowd is running, and a shadow is just standing there.

:(

I'm still picking the issues up though, I'm a whore. :o

[SpideyInATree]

Anyone else kind of turned off by Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk now that we know Hulk makes it out alive and comes back to the US in intelligent Hulk mode?

I mean,sure there's still the Wolvie VS Hulk fight and the revelation of how Bruce came to terms with Hulk,but other than that,after reading #11,I found following Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk pointless now.

No, it makes me more excited and anxious for the next Ultimate Hulk and Wolvie to come out.

[PWN3R]

I'm gonna miss Hitch o so very much. :(

What are some of his next projects???

[Savage]

Anyone else kind of turned off by Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk now that we know Hulk makes it out alive and comes back to the US in intelligent Hulk mode?

I mean,sure there's still the Wolvie VS Hulk fight and the revelation of how Bruce came to terms with Hulk,but other than that,after reading #11,I found following Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk pointless now.
Actually it makes me even more anxious to see how this thing came about in the first place.

[Hughesovski]

Well, technically, yes.

Essentially, the Liberators are acting as the "Ultimates" of several countries, mostly consisting of what seems to be a technological/genetic alliance between China, the Middle East, and Russia. I'm surprised North Korea isn't in there. :D Despite these countries traditionally being enemies of America, they are responding to the actions of America so far as the comic's events are concerned. Fury has used the Ultimates team as a part of foreign policy, Persons of Mass Destruction, to attack and cripple nations with nuclear capabilities, and as part of the war in the Middle East. The Liberators are formed and attack in what is, pretty much, a terrorist action.

So, yeah. Due cause.

I disagree that it is a terrorist action - this is a whole declaration of war - it was agreed by the governments of the respective countries. If it was a terrorist action then it would be by a splinter group - this is not the case with the Liberators. Also if you remember they had their briefing in France - so the Frenchs share in the responsibility. Essentially it has been the same as what happened in Iraq, but taking place in America. Brilliant Arc from start to near finish - the Ultimates (until volume 3) has been wonderful to read.

[El Bastardo]

This is why I inserted the word "technically" in my answer.

Everything you say is dead on. And the Liberators certainly are an invasion force. Yep, they're a coalition of different countries, and got their briefing in France.

We've seen no formal declaration of war on the part of the countries involved, though (or have we? If it was in an issue and I'm just forgetting it, stop reading here - I'm wrong). If the countries involved make no formal declaration of war, and in the end accept no responsibility for the actions of the Liberators, then the Liberators will have become terrorists, rogue agents, fanatics, what have you. They will not be acting on behalf of the sovereign countries from which they hail.

This is what I assume Millar will end up doing, so that he doesn't bring World War III to a book that he's leaving.

[supermarvelman]

Joe Madureira. Some of his art:



http://www.paintedanvil.com/jemad/joemad03.jpg


http://members.fortunecity.com/anvilfactory/joemad12.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b78/comicsimpulse/hom1.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b78/comicsimpulse/Widow.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b78/comicsimpulse/Cap_2.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b78/comicsimpulse/hulk2.jpg

HULK LOOKS ****IN AWESOME!!!!

[GNR]

I'm gonna miss Hitch o so very much. :(

What are some of his next projects???

His next is an unnamed project with Millar,their followup.It sounds pretty big and these 2 are always a great pair.

[Gogo Bananas]

They really gotta stay away from 'cartooning' up the Ultimates. Hitch has such a nice gritty vibe to his work.

[celldog]

Quote by Question:
Ooh. Ooh. I have a question. How the hell could they tell what religion he is? He could, very simply, not tell anyone. I know theocratic governments are not, historically, fond of non believers, but unless they're mind readers, they have no way of knowing what he really believes or not.

Brother, you act like no one can come to "any" conclusions without a direct admission. The clues are there.....they do this in court all the time.

He's an Arab.

His government is Islamic

Islamic governments will not support atheistic beliefs.

They certainly will not power up an "unbeliever".

Therefore, we must conclude that he and his gov't are on the same page idealogically.....and religiously.

This is jihad.


Now ...can you muster up some support for the stars and stripes?? :)

[The Question]

And yet, that is not the only way it could happen. He could be athiest and simply not tell anyone. It's not like it's the bloody Spanish Inquesition over there. Besides, he's the only human being besides Steve Rodgers who responed posetively to the Super Soldier formula. I doubt any government officials would be so anal retentive in regards to their religious beleifs to pass up an opourtunity like that. I'm not saying that he is or isn't of any religious beleif. I'm simply saying that to assume that he is Muslim would be like someone assuming that because someone is from a predominantly Christian country, they are Christian. Also, that reminds me. You said that it seemed highly unlikely that he would be Christian. However, many Muslims (and I am speaking from personal experience here) tend to hold many of the Christian teachings in high regard. Hell, many Muslims consider Islam a direct progression of the Christian and Jewish faiths. Of course, I know that you're now going to bring up that story about that Christian who was nearly exicuted in the Middle East a while ago. My rebuttle to that (to save time) is thus:


1) They were not going to kill him because he was Christian, but because he had converted from Islam to Christianity. Now, this is far from a good thing, but it isn't representative of an inherent hatred of Christians as it is a representation of wanting to keep him under the control of the Islamic faith.

2) The people who wanted to exicute him were not representative of the entire Islamic faith. They were fanatics. I know you have a very hard time wraping your head around this concept, but not all Muslims share their idiology with people like Bin Laden and the current Iranian president. In fact, people like Bin Laden make up a very small percentage of the Muslims in the world.


Also, just so you know, of course I'm going to support the U.S. I may dislike some of the government's polocies, but I hold no hate for the country itself. Hell, I love this country. Doesn't mean I have to like the government all the time. And It's not like I'm even adimently against the government. The current administration, in my opinion, has made some serious mistakes, but I have been on the side defending the government in more than a few arguements.

[celldog]

And yet, that is not the only way it could happen. He could be athiest and simply not tell anyone. It's not like it's the bloody Spanish Inquesition over there. Besides, he's the only human being besides Steve Rodgers who responed posetively to the Super Soldier formula. I doubt any government officials would be so anal retentive in regards to their religious beleifs to pass up an opourtunity like that.

Oh...and you base this on what??



I'm not saying that he is or isn't of any religious beleif. I'm simply saying that to assume that he is Muslim would be like someone assuming that because someone is from a predominantly Christian country, they are Christian. Also, that reminds me. You said that it seemed highly unlikely that he would be Christian. However, many Muslims (and I am speaking from personal experience here) tend to hold many of the Christian teachings in high regard.

Yeah....but you live here in the U.S. right??? A lot of them say that "over here". Please explain to me why churches are attacked in Islamic countries, Christians are made slaves in the Sudan, and why a man who converted to Christianity had to flee Afghanistan for fear of his life.

Hell, many Muslims consider Islam a direct progression of the Christian and Jewish faiths. Of course, I know that you're now going to bring up that story about that Christian who was nearly exicuted in the Middle East a while ago. My rebuttle to that (to save time) is thus:


1) They were not going to kill him because he was Christian, but because he had converted from Islam to Christianity. Now, this is far from a good thing, but it isn't representative of an inherent hatred of Christians as it is a representation of wanting to keep him under the control of the Islamic faith.


What's the difference?????????? Why kill him at all?????? Churches in Zanibhar are being attacked. Churches in Malaisia...... http://www.persecution.org/newsite/index.php

2) The people who wanted to exicute him were not representative of the entire Islamic faith. They were fanatics. I know you have a very hard time wraping your head around this concept, but not all Muslims share their idiology with people like Bin Laden and the current Iranian president. In fact, people like Bin Laden make up a very small percentage of the Muslims in the world.


If it's so few, why do they have the most control?? The loudest voice?? Either the "friendly" majority are scared to speak up, they secretly keep silent because they hope bin Laden succeeds or they are the minority.


Also, just so you know, of course I'm going to support the U.S. I may dislike some of the government's polocies, but I hold no hate for the country itself. Hell, I love this country. Doesn't mean I have to like the government all the time. And It's not like I'm even adimently against the government. The current administration, in my opinion, has made some serious mistakes, but I have been on the side defending the government in more than a few arguements.



I can't believe it.

[iloveclones]

Oh, yay. We're going to get treated to manifestos for the next few days.....

[XwolverineX]

#11 was bananas.Simply ripe and yellow bananas.

When Hulk showed up I had a hardcore Geekasm. :D

[XwolverineX]

Anyone else kind of turned off by Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk now that we know Hulk makes it out alive and comes back to the US in intelligent Hulk mode?

I mean,sure there's still the Wolvie VS Hulk fight and the revelation of how Bruce came to terms with Hulk,but other than that,after reading #11,I found following Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk pointless now.


I have been turned off by Ult. Wolv vs. Hulk since it comes out twice a ****ing year, that's crap. :down


And I know Loeb and Millar have completely different writing styles, but I have HATED the last few arcs on Superman/Batman, so I'm not expecting much. Not to say that I like Millar, after he made me quit Spider-man comics. :down

[Darthphere]

Oh, yay. We're going to get treated to manifestos for the next few days.....


Fillibuster Q! Fillibuster!!!!

[iloveclones]

I have been turned off by Ult. Wolv vs. Hulk since it comes out twice a ****ing year, that's crap. :down


And I know Loeb and Millar have completely different writing styles, but I have HATED the last few arcs on Superman/Batman, so I'm not expecting much. Not to say that I like Millar, after he made me quit Spider-man comics. :down


Man, Spidey fans will take any excuse to quit reading. I mean, seriously, what did he do that was so bad?

[XwolverineX]

Man, Spidey fans will take any excuse to quit reading. I mean, seriously, what did he do that was so bad?


Did you not read CW #2, or was that sarcastic. :confused:

[PWN3R]

Did you not read CW #2, or was that sarcastic. :confused:

are you actually being serious? :rolleyes:

[iloveclones]

Neither. I thought you were referring to his run MK Spidey. My bad.

Seriously though, all I've heard the last few years is:

"Spidey turned into a big spider? That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

"Gwen slept with Norman??That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

"Spidey in Avengers" Sell-out!That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

What? Spidey has new powers? I didn't even like the old ones.That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

"Spidey grew 4 extra arms!?That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever" (Admittedly, that was posted a long time ago.)

I mean, it's ridiculous. Spidey fans get in a huff every time there's a new development. I mean, quit already. Stop reading them in the store. Is there a reason some kind of official declaration is made every time a fan is unhappy. Just stop buying. I'm enjoying them more than enough for both (or all) of us.

[The Question]

Oh...and you base this on what??

Logic. They're not going to sacrifice one of their biggest tactical chances if it invlovles a soldier of a different religion. That's just idiocy.

Yeah....but you live here in the U.S. right??? A lot of them say that "over here". Please explain to me why churches are attacked in Islamic countries, Christians are made slaves in the Sudan, and why a man who converted to Christianity had to flee Afghanistan for fear of his life.

Those, my friend, are the acts of fanatics. Not the entirety of the Muslim faith.

If it's so few, why do they have the most control??

They don't. Bin Laden and his followers are wanted international terrorists. They have no political power whatsoever.

The loudest voice??

They don't. They're just the ones you hear about the most. Honestly, are you more likely to hear about a member of the KKK or an everage fellow on the street who holds no ill will against black people? You hear about the fanatics because they make the news.

Either the "friendly" majority are scared to speak up, they secretly keep silent because they hope bin Laden succeeds or they are the minority.

It's none of those. What are you expecting to happen? Have 24 hours of average Muslims on the street saying that they don't particularly like Bin Laden? What next? CNN interveiwing law abiding citizens about how they're not commiting crimes? The average Muslim has no control over the likes of Bin Laden. The fact that you expect them to makes no sense.

I can't believe it.

Why not? Why must love of one's country automatically extend to devotion to one's government?

Fillibuster Q! Fillibuster!!!!

I'm fillibustering! I'm fillibustering! Really, I've got to thank Celldog. Argueing with him has taught me a thing or two about debate.

[TheSumOfGod]

Actually the whole plane is intact, if you go back and read the issue you will see that they only distroyed the wings and nothing else. At first it looked to me like they ripped the plane in two and I had a big problem with that (because of the whole decompression at that hight). However if you look closly you will note that the plane is for the most part intact. I dont know where people get this idea that Mrs. Bush is dead, because I dont see that.

She's not dead, even Crimson Dynamo says "Don't worry, you're not going to die for hours yet.", implying that she was still alive and was going to be executed along with him and all of the other members of the Bush administration and their families and business partners later on that day.

Although, if I would have been Millar, I would have made Dubya say: "Daddy! DADDY!!!" :D

(No, I'm not a liberal, I'm simply Anti-American) ;)

[celldog]

Logic. They're not going to sacrifice one of their biggest tactical chances if it invlovles a soldier of a different religion. That's just idiocy.



Those, my friend, are the acts of fanatics. Not the entirety of the Muslim faith.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. LOL Here we go again.

They don't. Bin Laden and his followers are wanted international terrorists. They have no political power whatsoever.



They don't. They're just the ones you hear about the most. Honestly, are you more likely to hear about a member of the KKK or an everage fellow on the street who holds no ill will against black people? You hear about the fanatics because they make the news.

Then why did the guy have to leave?? If it's just a few, the good Muslims should be able to check these guys. Even the judicial sytem was against this guy up until the "WORLD" started putting pressure on them.

It's none of those. What are you expecting to happen? Have 24 hours of average Muslims on the street saying that they don't particularly like Bin Laden? What next? CNN interveiwing law abiding citizens about how they're not commiting crimes? The average Muslim has no control over the likes of Bin Laden. The fact that you expect them to makes no sense.


Oh...it's all of those and more. The silence is deafening from the "moderate" Muslims. They say nothing and do nothing. Oh...I'm wrong....they do say "don't profile me". Where were the marches and protests when their fellow "fanatics" were burning down embassies over that cartoon? When heads were being sliced off??? When this man was chased from his own country for exercising religious freedom??? They certainly have a weak majority if indeed they are majority. :down

Why not? Why must love of one's country automatically extend to devotion to one's government?

Because in those countries, both go hand in hand. Islam permeates every part of life.


I'm fillibustering! I'm fillibustering! Really, I've got to thank Celldog. Argueing with him has taught me a thing or two about debate.


Yep.....you learned to listen less. :)

[TheSumOfGod]

KNOCK IT OFF!

BOTH OF YOU!

This is the Official The Ultimates Thread, NOT the Official "celldog and The Question don't like each other and can't stop b****ing at each other" Thread! :mad:

[GNR]

Ed McGuiness and Jeph Loeb to write Ultimates 4

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/ZeppelinCometh/absorbng-man.jpg

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/000683893.cfm

I kid you not.

[Darthphere]

What if Ultimates 3 sucks?

[GNR]

I would rather see Loeb and McGuiness for 3 and 4 rather than Joe Mad.

[squeekness]

Does this mean Millar is leaving? Say it ain't so.

[Darthphere]

Yeah Squeek, its old news.

[Darthphere]

I would rather see Loeb and McGuiness for 3 and 4 rather than Joe Mad.


I second that, and I dont read Ultimates.

[squeekness]

I guess I need to get out more, LOL. But it still makes me sad. :(

[GNR]

I could be wrong,but I don't think Loeb has ever tackled the Avengers in the past.So this could be good if Loeb has one hell of a boner for the characters and is willling to blow a good load in terms of quality super hero stories.

Please excuse the sexual parallels.

That's one good looking Absorbing Man.

[squeekness]

Loeb is a good writer. I have liked his stuff in the past -- Daredevil Yellow and Hulk Grey.

[El Bastardo]

I hope The Ultimates doesn't turn into the oddball weird-ass Superman/Batman stories. >_< I didn't mind Superman/Batman at all - actually enjoyed it - but that doesn't mean I want to watch a gazillion different versions of Captain America.

On that note, I love just about everything I've ever read by Loeb. Yeah, it's a huge shame to see Millar leave the title, but Loeb should do a good job, as long as it doesn't become too 616. That's my fear.

[celldog]

KNOCK IT OFF!

BOTH OF YOU!

This is the Official The Ultimates Thread, NOT the Official "celldog and The Question don't like each other and can't stop b****ing at each other" Thread! :mad:


Okay...since you were so nice about it. :)

[The Question]

KNOCK IT OFF!

BOTH OF YOU!

This is the Official The Ultimates Thread, NOT the Official "celldog and The Question don't like each other and can't stop b****ing at each other" Thread! :mad:

Sorry. :(

[TheSumOfGod]

That's better. :marv: :cool:

[TheSumOfGod]

By the way, here's an indication of when Ultimate Wolverine versus Hulk 3 is gonna come out:

http://www.yagersoft.com/misc/funnies/images/hell-freezes.jpg

:eek: ;)

[Artistsean]

Ed McGuiness and Jeph Loeb to write Ultimates 4

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/ZeppelinCometh/absorbng-man.jpg

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/000683893.cfm

I kid you not.

This better not be a joke, because there isn't anything I can do if it was.
This is awesome.

I agree with the others, i'd rather see Ed do 3 and 4. I love his style.
I can't wait to see both of them, what characters are added or happens to the older ones.

[TheSumOfGod]

When is issue 12 coming out again (in theory)?

[GNR]

August,technically.

[deemar325]

Ed McGuiness on ULTs 4? I'll bite, plus I'd put money on the fact Ed will probaly have to fill-in for Joe Mad on ULTs 3 since that hack can't finish a sentence.


Mark my words, Joe Mad is gonna either bow out on Ultimates 3 by the 4th issues or he's gonna only be doing covers.

[XwolverineX]

Neither. I thought you were referring to his run MK Spidey. My bad.

Seriously though, all I've heard the last few years is:

"Spidey turned into a big spider? That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

"Gwen slept with Norman??That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

"Spidey in Avengers" Sell-out!That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

What? Spidey has new powers? I didn't even like the old ones.That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

"Spidey grew 4 extra arms!?That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever" (Admittedly, that was posted a long time ago.)

I mean, it's ridiculous. Spidey fans get in a huff every time there's a new development. I mean, quit already. Stop reading them in the store. Is there a reason some kind of official declaration is made every time a fan is unhappy. Just stop buying. I'm enjoying them more than enough for both (or all) of us.


Okay I understand your logic. But everything you just posted is the exact reason people are sooo pissed off. 50 years of history butchered by arrogant writers, it sucks. :(:down

[XwolverineX]

Dammit I luff Deemar's avvy. :up:

[iloveclones]

Okay I understand your logic. But everything you just posted is the exact reason people are sooo pissed off. 50 years of history butchered by arrogant writers, it sucks. :(:down

Everything?
"Spidey grew 4 extra arms!?That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever" (Admittedly, that was posted a long time ago.)

[The Question]

I have a question: Besides the Gwen Stacy thing, how is any of that butchering history? Hell, I think most of those were pretty good ideas, and even Sins Past was well written, even though the idea lefrt much to be desired.

[RAMORE]

I would rather see Loeb and McGuiness for 3 and 4 rather than Joe Mad.


You are obviously out of your mind then.

[Darthphere]

You are obviously out of your mind then.


No, I dont think he is.

[RAMORE]

I know Joe mad is semi irratic but his art rocks and is not too manga now. I usually hate McGuiness his heros look like the stay puff mashmallow man. Now it works when it is supes but looks ridiculous on others. IMHO.

[Savage]

Yeah, as cool as they look, they pretty much resemble giant bee stings.

[TheSumOfGod]

I want Andy Kubert or Leinil Francis Yu for Ultimates 3 and 4. No cartoon crap please.

[XwolverineX]

I have a question: Besides the Gwen Stacy thing, how is any of that butchering history? Hell, I think most of those were pretty good ideas, and even Sins Past was well written, even though the idea lefrt much to be desired.


Fine. Let me re-phrase it : 50 years of characterization... Butchered.

[PWN3R]

I want Andy Kubert or Leinil Francis Yu for Ultimates 3 and 4. No cartoon crap please.

I totally agree! Francis Yu on Ultimates would own! :up:

[deemar325]

Dammit I luff Deemar's avvy. :up:

...and I luff that you luff my avy!

[The Question]

Fine. Let me re-phrase it : 50 years of characterization... Butchered.


Besides the thing with Gwen Stacy, those 50 years went uneffected. The characterizations stayed the same. Things just became different for Spidey. Which I had no problem with. I really liked all the magic stuff JMS used on his run.

[SpideyInATree]

Neither. I thought you were referring to his run MK Spidey. My bad.

Seriously though, all I've heard the last few years is:

"Spidey turned into a big spider? That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

"Gwen slept with Norman??That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

"Spidey in Avengers" Sell-out!That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

What? Spidey has new powers? I didn't even like the old ones.That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

"Spidey grew 4 extra arms!?That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever" (Admittedly, that was posted a long time ago.)

I mean, it's ridiculous. Spidey fans get in a huff every time there's a new development. I mean, quit already. Stop reading them in the store. Is there a reason some kind of official declaration is made every time a fan is unhappy. Just stop buying. I'm enjoying them more than enough for both (or all) of us.

Heh. It's actually true too.

And, yes, I would rather want to see McGuiness on The Ultimates that Joe Mad.

It would actually be kind of ironic too especially after the arc from Superman/Batman where they sort of parodied the Avengers.

[XwolverineX]

Besides the thing with Gwen Stacy, those 50 years went uneffected. The characterizations stayed the same. Things just became different for Spidey. Which I had no problem with. I really liked all the magic stuff JMS used on his run.

I don't, and how can you say that Spider-man gaining his powers magically and that stuff does not affect his history? Actually, it ties directly into his origin. :confused::down

[The Question]

True. But it really doesn't effect anything about his history besides the story where he learned about it. And I really don't see how it's a bad thing, either.

[Gogo Bananas]

I don't, and how can you say that Spider-man gaining his powers magically and that stuff does not affect his history? Actually, it ties directly into his origin. :confused::down

The thing about that is, it can be ignored by future writers (and it almost certainly will be) without the need for any retooling/reworking/cuircuitous manipulations.

[livrule]

Ed McGuiness on ULTs 4? I'll bite, plus I'd put money on the fact Ed will probaly have to fill-in for Joe Mad on ULTs 3 since that hack can't finish a sentence.


Mark my words, Joe Mad is gonna either bow out on Ultimates 3 by the 4th issues or he's gonna only be doing covers.

Indeed.

I'm still waiting for my next issue of Battle Chasers ....

[TheSumOfGod]

bump

[GNR]

I want Andy Kubert or Leinil Francis Yu for Ultimates 3 and 4. No cartoon crap please.

Kubert is DC exclusive.I think they're both overrated as artists,I don't see anything really big about their styles except for the fact that their art bares striking similarities to Jim Lee's.

Ultimates would be better handled by someone like McNiven,Epting or Yu.

[TheSumOfGod]

How about Alex Ross? :rolleyes:

[demento]

John Cassaday

[Darthphere]

Gary Frank.

[TheSumOfGod]

Bale dammit!

[Savage]

Juuust gonna throw this in here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq2_YKQGE_U):D

[Red]

How about Alex Ross? :rolleyes:

Shame on you.

[TheSumOfGod]

Shame on you.

Why? Alex Ross could paint every single issue of the Ultimates, and he wouldn't be any more late than Hitch already is. ;)

[PWN3R]

So if we are going to believe Marvel's catalog schedule, Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk comes out this month. :eek::(

[GNR]

After the Hulk reveal in #11,my interest is completely gone for the Hulk/Wolvie mini.

I feel like I'm just going to be spending another 16 bucks on the next 4 issues just to see Hulk and Wolverine fight,which is completely unjustifiable.

[GNR]

Why? Alex Ross could paint every single issue of the Ultimates, and he wouldn't be any more late than Hitch already is. ;)

Ross isn't alone on his bimonthly Justice maxi-series.Dougie B draws the layouts for Ross to paint over.If Ross was at it alone,it would take longer for sure seeing as to how his level of work has improved much more since Marvels.

[PWN3R]

I know how you feel, but I really enjoyed the first two issues.:o

[TheSumOfGod]

I figure the Hulk/Wolvie mini is gonna be boiled down to only 4 issues after all, the "big fight" in issue 3, and a rushed conclusion and lead-up to Ultimates 2 issues 11-12-13 in issue 4.

[PWN3R]

I figure the Hulk/Wolvie mini is gonna be boiled down to only 4 issues after all, the "big fight" in issue 3, and a rushed conclusion and lead-up to Ultimates 2 issues 11-12-13 in issue 4.

shut up.:(

[PWN3R]

Hitch got confused when drawing Ultimates 2 #13. :) :up:


http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6777/supermanheroes25ao.jpg

[TheSumOfGod]

lol And now Ultimate Wolverine versus Hulk issue 3 ISN'T coming out July 12th. :rolleyes:

[PWN3R]

lol And now Ultimate Wolverine versus Hulk issue 3 ISN'T coming out July 12th. :rolleyes:

yeah I know!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

:confused:





:(

[TheSumOfGod]

Marvel doesn't know how to get their s**t together anymore.

[Darthphere]

Not Marvel, blame the writer.

[Darthphere]

Either way as of a week ago it was delayed again so...

Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk #3 ..... 07/12/06 / 08/09/06

[PWN3R]

I remember hearing a podcast with the writer, Lindoff or w/e, and he was saying how they were on issue 3 already and it wouldn't be late. :rolleyes:

[TheSumOfGod]

It's gonna be FIVE months late?! Bi-monthly my ass. There's no reason for this, the issue is already completed, both the writer and the artist are usually on time.

[squeekness]

So if we are going to believe Marvel's catalog schedule, Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk comes out this month. :eek::(Did they even solicit the number 4? If so, I missed it.....

[Artistsean]

I want to see more Ultimates 4 art already.

[supermarvelman]

Yea Ed McGuiness is the ****. Ult Thor looks awesome.

[GNR]

That's Joe Mad's Thor.

[Darthphere]

I read VOl.1 today, I got to say its top notch stuff, but its still Ultimate line. And Cap is still a dick.

[Savage]

Hey, glad to see you even gave it a shot man.:up: :)

And yeah Cap's a dick butt he way I see it, at least it's not 616 Cap. It's Ultimate so they can do whatever the hell they want with him in my book, as long as it's entertaining.

[Red]

I got to say Tony remains my favorite Ultimate, even now.

[TheSumOfGod]

And yeah Cap's a dick butt he way I see it...

Wh-what?!?! :eek:

[Darthphere]

Ha-ha, I started reading Vol.2, damn they made Cap that ******* boyfriend lol.

[squeekness]

I got to say Tony remains my favorite Ultimate, even now.I like him a lot, too, but Thor's my number one right now. :)

[Red]

Yea Ed McGuiness is the ****. Ult Thor looks awesome.


Got a link?

[TheSumOfGod]

It wouldn't matter if Hitch was still drawing it. Millar was the man.

[Savage]

Wh-what?!?! :eek:
hahaha. Didn't even notice that.

[Kahoot]

I think Thor is the best Ultimate. He's the best guy in the whole Ultimate Universe with Iorn-Man a close 2nd. Thor looks like a guy that the bad guys would dread going up against.

If the issuses are all so late when can we expect the Ultimates 2 Volume 2 collection? Anyone have any ideas?
I want to see more Ultimates 4 art already.
I only found out yesteday there was gonna be a 4 and possibly 5 and your saying there is art work already?! Does that mean there is art work for 3 as well? I would go through 100+ pages to see if it's alread been posted but that is 100+ pages... That's a lot for me.

[PWN3R]

For those of you who haven't seen the Joe Mad Ultimates 3 sketches, just re-posting them....


http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3492/1939hc.jpg


http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5776/3646dg.jpg

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/9519/1411ld.jpg


http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3656/3007pa.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6075/1307zl.jpg


http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/3713/363xd.jpg

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/1116/1688bl.jpg

[PWN3R]

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/949/3191ld.jpg

[Darthphere]

Those suck.

[jaydawg]

Just like most of Loeb's work.

[Darthphere]

Just like most of Loeb's work.


Spider-Man:Blue
Daredevil:Yellow
Hulk:Gray
Superman For All Seasons
The Long Halloween
Dark Victory
Batman:Hush


Yeah youre right, he sucks.

[Savage]

Spider-Man:Blue
Daredevil:Yellow
Hulk:Gray
Superman For All Seasons
The Long Halloween
Dark Victory
Batman:Hush


Yeah youre right, he sucks.
Damn. Still have to get Spider-man: Blue and Hulk: Gray. I wonder who's next.

[GNR]

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/949/3191ld.jpg

Looks like Ken cut his hair and put on a Cap outfit.

[Red]

Can you fix the links that aren't working?

[PWN3R]

Can you fix the links that aren't working?

fixed

I miss Hitch already.:(

[Red]

fixed

I miss Hitch already.:(

Thanks :up:

The design for Iron Man is terrible. Including 616 it's the worst i've seen in years. :(

[GNR]

You're calling Granov's Iron Man bad?It's the most realistic and subtle design ever.No muscles too.

[Darthphere]

I just stopped on Ultimates VOl.2 #8, I cant get my hnads on the enxt couple of issues.

[Artistsean]

I think Thor is the best Ultimate. He's the best guy in the whole Ultimate Universe with Iorn-Man a close 2nd. Thor looks like a guy that the bad guys would dread going up against.

If the issuses are all so late when can we expect the Ultimates 2 Volume 2 collection? Anyone have any ideas?

I only found out yesteday there was gonna be a 4 and possibly 5 and your saying there is art work already?! Does that mean there is art work for 3 as well? I would go through 100+ pages to see if it's alread been posted but that is 100+ pages... That's a lot for me.

there is an artical about Loeb and Ed and their Ultimates 4 stuff, and included in the artical are a few sketches by Ed.
Sketches include Hulk, Captain America, and Spider-Woman (who apperently was not suppossed to be shown).
Then there is a sketch of Absorbing Man by Ed somewhere a few pages back on this thread. (page 103 is a link to a wizard artical with the AM picture.) And i think there is a picture he did of Thor too.

Its going to be awesome. Maybe Ultimates will start having characters like Absorbing Man, Kang, and various other Avenger foes.

[Kahoot]

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3492/1939hc.jpg
I'm not too sure about that pic of Iron Man, I still think The Ultimates issue 2 had the best ever pic of Iron Man on it's cover. I do like/love the Cap pic tho.

http://toychest.diamondcomics.com/toys/10_02/IRON-MAN-POSTER.jpg
http://www.mutanthigh.com/coppermine/albums/alternatex/ultimate/ultimates10.jpg
You wanna do something right, do it Bigg. I only hope the pic works now lol

Edit:It didn't work but I did find another big pic

[squeekness]

When you put them side by side like that, yeah, I don't much care for Mad's sketch.

[Kahoot]

Also, who the one with the smoke coming from her hands?

[PWN3R]

Also, who the one with the smoke coming from her hands?

Its Scarlet Witch.


Why on earth would they pic Joe Mad to do this book? I was hoping it at least look SIMILIAR to Hitch. I mean Scarlet Witch and Iron Man look nothing like Hitch's versions....:confused: :(

[Kahoot]

See, I kinda guessed Scarlet Witch but what's up with her hands? She hasn't shown any powers like that in the Utimates and I haven't read enough of Ultimate X-Men to know (I'm only on Return of the King).

[Savage]

Its Scarlet Witch.


Why on earth would they pic Joe Mad to do this book? I was hoping it at least look SIMILIAR to Hitch. I mean Scarlet Witch and Iron Man look nothing like Hitch's versions....:confused: :(
Yeah, that's kind of bugging me too. They're not supposed to be The Avengers, they're supposed to be The Ultimates.

[Darthphere]

Joey Mad is like so 10 years ago.

[GNR]

I just stopped on Ultimates VOl.2 #8, I cant get my hnads on the enxt couple of issues.

Is your store out of them?

#9 was the best issue yet.

[Artistsean]

I'm not a fan of Joe, but i guess I'll give him a shot. I have seen some art i liked. like a Wonder Woman he drew, his Hulk looks alright as well.
but alot of his sketches look stiff and not in the style I like.

But also, these are from his sketch book. Jim Lee released his sketchbook stuff for Batman, Superman, and Batman Allstars,
and they characters he showed wasn'ty always the final version.

These drawings are just to advertise and get people interested.
they will probably look better in comic book form, being inked and painted and in front of backgrounds and in fight scenes.

[TheSumOfGod]

See, I kinda guessed Scarlet Witch but what's up with her hands? She hasn't shown any powers like that in the Utimates and I haven't read enough of Ultimate X-Men to know (I'm only on Return of the King).

Actually, if you look back at Ultimate X-Men issue 3 (I think), you see Scarlet Witch shooting flashes of red light from her hands.

[Brian Braddock]

:confused: I thought the whole point of the Ulimates was that it was a 'what would the Avengers really be like in the real world' kinda thing. Hitch's realistic type art supported that idea.

Now the've got Joe Mad to do the art chores - talk about a stylistic change! Not liking the choice of Joe Mad for the Ultimates at all - those designs have only reinforced my view even more. Joe's a cool artist and all but the style of this book requires something a tad more realistic. He's be better off on a 616 title somewheres IMO.

I'm definately concerned for this title after Millar and Hitch leave. :(

[TheSumOfGod]

Enough about the lameness of Ultimates 3, more about the greatness of Ultimates 2 issue 12. ;)

[November Rain]

mad's the man, it's not like bagley's artwork or kuberts is uber realistic...

artists of this calibre hopefully can adapt their ways to fit in with the look, they aren't one trick ponies...

[Brian Braddock]

mad's the man, it's not like bagley's artwork or kuberts is uber realistic...

artists of this calibre hopefully can adapt their ways to fit in with the look, they aren't one trick ponies...


Uh yeah but then again Bagley and Kubert have never worked on the Ultimates.

What I'm saying is that a more realistic style fits the book IMO and Joe Mad's style isn't what I would call realsitic.

And from the designs that weve seen, Mad doesnt look like he's 'apapting' his style to 'fit in with the look'.

[ang_hulk]

Im going to miss the art alot,the new stuff,although good art just doesnt fit the tone of the book.Im going to wonder each time I read a good page what it would be like if the art was better.I hope it doesnt get to out of ultimates styling or that could be the end for the ultimates.

[Red]

:confused: I thought the whole point of the Ulimates was that it was a 'what would the Avengers really be like in the real world' kinda thing. Hitch's realistic type art supported that idea.

Thats what it's been about for me :up:

[Artistsean]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SUPERBENITEZ
:confused: I thought the whole point of the Ulimates was that it was a 'what would the Avengers really be like in the real world' kinda thing. Hitch's realistic type art supported that idea.

That was the point, for me anyway, of The Ultimates. The Ultimate Marvel seems to have varying ideas of what makes a comic book Ultimate. Spider-Man is sort of the same idea as regular Spider-Man only set in modern times with genetics and DNA altering instead of radiation.

I will miss the Ultimates art too, but the artists couldn't stay working on that forever. This reminds me of a popular sictom, when some of the main cast leaves and they try to keep the show going.
Although, I'm sure Loeb's writing will be awesome and the art will be great as well, and the series will go on. Maybe it will become like Batman/Superman where different writers and artists take turns with their own stories. that might be interesting.

[THANOSRULES]

Ok Im alittle late but I just read Ultimates 2 12 and I was a bit dissapointed.

Main problems..

-The issue was too short after waiting so long..pretty much a filler "ok the ultimates are starting to regroup" type deal. But even the hulk return was certainly expected.

-didnt like the Thor allusions to jesus. Sure , Millar knows his stuff and knows that christ contains some of imagery of Norse myths (mostly baldur in terms of christ)..but Thor is a badazz in any realm, and he is being portrayed too touchy feely..his line about humans embracing war was laughable..616 Thor would spank him for that. To me a good Thor rendition is firmly emplanted with battle, mead, and women...a slightly more moral version of conan. I thought he seemed a little to DR.Phil ish.

-The GW Bush airforce one scene. I understand its justification in terms of the story, but seeing an active president drawn like that on panel just made the whole deal seem a little silly. I thought I was reading an issue of MAD magazine for a second there. I prefer when real politicians are left out of Marvel u tales.


There was also a lot i liked about the issue...but overral dissapointing when you factor in a long wait.

[GNR]

#11 was the best issue since #9.I really don't see why people are being so nitpicky with this book.Love it while it lasts folks.

[Darthphere]

So what happens after #8, where I stopped.

[GNR]

#9 was the most badass issue to date IMO.

Floating helicarriers crash into the Triskelion (a la 9/11) thanks to the foot soldiers,giant Crimson Dynamos attack NYC,every major US city is taken over by the foot soldiers and thousands of floating high tech zeppelins,the Reserves get owned and all pretty much die including the Giant-Men,we get our first glimpse at the Axis of Evil,and Lady Liberty gets toppled over into the water by the foot soldiers.

These foot soldiers are the equivalent of the Reserves,just in all black suits and from the looks of it more powerful.

[Brian Braddock]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SUPERBENITEZ
:confused: I thought the whole point of the Ulimates was that it was a 'what would the Avengers really be like in the real world' kinda thing. Hitch's realistic type art supported that idea.

That was the point, for me anyway, of The Ultimates. The Ultimate Marvel seems to have varying ideas of what makes a comic book Ultimate. Spider-Man is sort of the same idea as regular Spider-Man only set in modern times with genetics and DNA altering instead of radiation.

I will miss the Ultimates art too, but the artists couldn't stay working on that forever. This reminds me of a popular sictom, when some of the main cast leaves and they try to keep the show going.
Although, I'm sure Loeb's writing will be awesome and the art will be great as well, and the series will go on. Maybe it will become like Batman/Superman where different writers and artists take turns with their own stories. that might be interesting.


Actually, to go a stage further, I've just had a realisation.

What if Millar intended the Ultimates to be a kind of 'this is what the Avengers would look like if a blockbuster movie was made of them'?

It certainly seems to me to be written and drawn more 'hollywood friendly' than a lot of comic books. It's like Millar has factored all the inevitable changes that occur when a comic book is translated to film and made them within the comic. IMO The Ultimates could easily exist in the same realm as the X - movies. (lI look at both Quicksilver and Giant-man's costumes - they really remind me of the x uniforms).
I also recall the discussion in series one about if there was a movie made of them, who would they get to play them (Hitch also obviously uses photo - references of certain well-known actors for the characters).

Hmmmm :confused:

[Kahoot]

#9 was the most badass issue to date IMO.

Floating helicarriers crash into the Triskelion (a la 9/11) thanks to the foot soldiers,giant Crimson Dynamos attack NYC,every major US city is taken over by the foot soldiers and thousands of floating high tech zeppelins,the Reserves get owned and all pretty much die including the Giant-Men,we get our first glimpse at the Axis of Evil,and Lady Liberty gets toppled over into the water by the foot soldiers.

These foot soldiers are the equivalent of the Reserves,just in all black suits and from the looks of it more powerful.
The Axis of Evil? Sounds cool but what is it? I've only read the The Untimates2 Gods And Monsters (#1-6) I'm gonna wait for Grand Theft America (#7-13) the collection before I read it.

[Darthphere]

#9 was the most badass issue to date IMO.

Floating helicarriers crash into the Triskelion (a la 9/11) thanks to the foot soldiers,giant Crimson Dynamos attack NYC,every major US city is taken over by the foot soldiers and thousands of floating high tech zeppelins,the Reserves get owned and all pretty much die including the Giant-Men,we get our first glimpse at the Axis of Evil,and Lady Liberty gets toppled over into the water by the foot soldiers.

These foot soldiers are the equivalent of the Reserves,just in all black suits and from the looks of it more powerful.


Im gonna have to track down these issues then.

[Red]

Anybody want some scans from Issue 11?

[ang_hulk]

NOOOOOOO not until I read it.I love the ultimates uniforms,my favorite being thors(iron man has armor,hes my favorite ultimate design overall) and a close second the reserves.My problem is there lack of explanation as to how said uniforms work,Im thinking those ribbs in the sides "carry" air allowing them to glide/fly.As for super strength I dont know,mabey some type of eletrical charge.

[Savage]

I think they're just extra functional uniforms. Very active but tough gear that allows for free movement. Not only that but they have to protect the technology inside that gives them their powers and in the case of the Giant men, expand along with their bodies (I'm sure Hank Pym was joking about growing into a supersized suit).

[Kahoot]

(I'm sure Hank Pym was joking about growing into a supersized suit).
I don't think so. If he was why was a helicopter flying him to the fight in one panel? Couldn't a flying person take him and he'd just grow on site?

[Savage]

hmm. Good point. Kinda sucks though.:(

[ang_hulk]

I like that detail,as advanced as they are they dont have anything that can expand that much,it be nice if mabey in the future tony or mr fantastic made somthing but for now I like them having to have giant uniforms.

[Apprentice]

#9 was the most badass issue to date IMO.

Floating helicarriers crash into the Triskelion (a la 9/11) thanks to the foot soldiers,giant Crimson Dynamos attack NYC,every major US city is taken over by the foot soldiers and thousands of floating high tech zeppelins,the Reserves get owned and all pretty much die including the Giant-Men,we get our first glimpse at the Axis of Evil,and Lady Liberty gets toppled over into the water by the foot soldiers.

These foot soldiers are the equivalent of the Reserves,just in all black suits and from the looks of it more powerful.

Yup, #9 kicked all kinds of butt.

[celldog]

The real charm of this book was its realism. Making Cap's costume look more like the 616 version is a bad move.

[Darthphere]

LMAO! Realism, right.

[Savage]

Well relative realism by comparison.

[Kahoot]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Marvel#Upcoming_miniseries


A mini-series written by Brian Michael Bendis, originally rumoured to be called Ultimate Invasion but this has since been denied
Another mini-series for mid-2007 written by Mike Carey and drawn by Brandon Peterson.

I was wondering if anyone would be able to tell me anymore information on this. I wasn't sure where else I should put this request.

There also used to be something about a possible 5th Ultimate Title, any ideas what that is or was going to be?

[Artistsean]

Maybe they have something to do with Ultimate Thanos or something. I don't really know but now I want to know.

[Hush]

I just read Ultimates2 Gods and Monsters and it was so incredible I enjoyed it beyond belief. Cant wait for grand theft America.

[TheSumOfGod]

"bump", I suppose

[XwolverineX]

I just read Ultimates2 Gods and Monsters and it was so incredible I enjoyed it beyond belief. Cant wait for grand theft America.


Enjoy it, after Ultimates2, everything goes down hill. :o

[Artistsean]

I don't know about that.
Ultimates 2 is good, even great. But Loeb is writing part 3 and 4, and Ed is drawing part 4. Part 4 could be really good for all we know.

[Kahoot]

Enjoy it, after Ultimates2, everything goes down hill. :o
We donno about that, sure the art of part three might not be top notch but the story could be cool.

[Brian Braddock]

We donno about that, sure the art of part three might not be top notch but the story could be cool.

The art will be top - notch. Just not the appropriate style. Joe Mad is good at what he does - he's just not suited to the Ultimates IMO. He's more suited to 616.

[Kahoot]

The art will be top - notch. Just not the appropriate style. Joe Mad is good at what he does - he's just not suited to the Ultimates IMO. He's more suited to 616.
Sure his art might be good but if the style doesn't match 1610 (Ultimate Universe) then it's not top notch, it's just good art.

[Darthphere]

The art will be top - notch. Just not the appropriate style. Joe Mad is good at what he does - he's just not suited to the Ultimates IMO. He's more suited to 616.


This makes no sense. Theres no difference in art quality from the 616 and Ultimate Universe. Joe Mad's art fits a certain mood, and Ultimates as is today, his art doesnt fit that, but it might fit Jeph Loeb's mood on the Ultimates.

[Brian Braddock]

This makes no sense. Theres no difference in art quality from the 616 and Ultimate Universe. Joe Mad's art fits a certain mood, and Ultimates as is today, his art doesnt fit that, but it might fit Jeph Loeb's mood on the Ultimates.

Where did I say there was a difference in quality? - If you re-read my post I was responding to Kahoot where he said the art wouldnt be top- notch and I said it would.

I said that stylistically, it doesn't suit the more realistic tone already set in the Ultimates with Hitch's art. Which you've emphasised yourself in the above paragraph:-

"Joe Mad's art fits a certain mood, and Ultimates as is today, his art doesnt fit that."

That's essentially what I was saying.

:confused:

I made no mention of Loeb because we dont have any details about his 'mood' on the book or the direction he'll be taking. We ca only go by the current 'mood' set by Millar.

[Darthphere]

You said hes more suited to 616, as in the 616 is more of his style because its more cartoony, thats what what I understood you saying.

[Harlekin]

Finally got to reading Ultimates #11. Totally cool, but the hype of waiting for it months on end and what I eventually got weren't very balanced. Oh well, still looking forward to the next issue.

[Brian Braddock]

You said hes more suited to 616, as in the 616 is more of his style because its more cartoony, thats what what I understood you saying.


Only because of the realistic tone the Ulitmates has set thus far. An artist like Perez, Jiminez etc would good choices to succeed Hitch.

Maybe you're right though in terms of the direction Loebs is taking the book. Perhaps they're looking for an extreme artistic style change to emphasize that this is their take on the Utimates - differenciating it from Millars and Hitch's work?

[SpideyInATree]

Enjoy it, after Ultimates2, everything goes down hill. :o

We'll see about that, now won't we? No Loeb isn't going to be writing like Millar on the Ultimates, and he'll most likely be taking a much different direction than Millar, but Loeb does respect things that have come before him. And just because the art style may not fit after what Hitch has laid down...I don't really think it's a reason to say that it's going downhill.

On a more positive note. Maybe we'll actually get The Ultimates on a MONTHLY basis as opposed to whenever it feels like coming out. No matter the quality of Ultimates 1 and Ultimates 2, the wait in between issues isn't exactly the greatest.

So, there are negatives and positives on the horizon for the title. But wait and see how it goes, who knows you might like Loeb's take on the Ultimates better.

[TheSumOfGod]

bump again.

[Darthphere]

Ultimates 12 got pushed back a week.

[Brian Braddock]

Ultimates 12 got pushed back a week.

>groan< And so It begins.......

That week'll become two.

Those two weeks'll become four.

That one month will, well, you get the picture.

:(

[TheSumOfGod]

Doesn't matter. If my predictions end up being accurate, issue 12 will REALLY get pushed back... :(

[TheSumOfGod]

Still nothing new...

[Killgore]

We'll see about that, now won't we? No Loeb isn't going to be writing like Millar on the Ultimates, and he'll most likely be taking a much different direction than Millar, but Loeb does respect things that have come before him. And just because the art style may not fit after what Hitch has laid down...I don't really think it's a reason to say that it's going downhill.

On a more positive note. Maybe we'll actually get The Ultimates on a MONTHLY basis as opposed to whenever it feels like coming out. No matter the quality of Ultimates 1 and Ultimates 2, the wait in between issues isn't exactly the greatest.

So, there are negatives and positives on the horizon for the title. But wait and see how it goes, who knows you might like Loeb's take on the Ultimates better.
That's a positive note? "It may be sh'tty, but at least we'll get all the sh't we can eat."


You're so frickin' whiny about the "tardiness" of the book. Ultimates is frickin' phenomenal. I can excuse a book for being bimonthly, hell quarterly, if it is of the uber-quality that Hitch and Miller are dishing out. What I cannot excuse a book for is being a turd. Even if it’s a Timely turd.

[Killgore]

You'd b'tch if the Sistine Chapel was behind schedule, missing the fact that you're seeing the birth of a rare masterpiece.

[Darthphere]

That's a positive note? "It may be sh'tty, but at least we'll get all the sh't we can eat."


You're so frickin' whiny about the "tardiness" of the book. Ultimates is frickin' phenomenal. I can excuse a book for being bimonthly, hell quarterly, if it is of the uber-quality that Hitch and Miller are dishing out. What I cannot excuse a book for is being a turd. Even if it’s a Timely turd.


LOL! Ultimates isnt even in the top 10 quality wise of every comic published. Lets be real.

[Tropico]

That's a positive note? "It may be sh'tty, but at least we'll get all the sh't we can eat."


You're so frickin' whiny about the "tardiness" of the book. Ultimates is frickin' phenomenal. I can excuse a book for being bimonthly, hell quarterly, if it is of the uber-quality that Hitch and Miller are dishing out. What I cannot excuse a book for is being a turd. Even if it’s a Timely turd.

The book isn't meant to be bi-monthly or quarterly, it was never announced to be that way; it was supposed to be a monthly title. I can even recall when they said that they had many of the issues done before it went out so it wouldn't have the same scheduling problems as the first volume. Just because you don't have a problem with a book you consider to be phenomenal doesn't mean the other people have to. There are other just as good as (or better) comics out there that deliver on time.

[SpideyInATree]

That's a positive note? "It may be sh'tty, but at least we'll get all the sh't we can eat."

You're so frickin' whiny about the "tardiness" of the book. Ultimates is frickin' phenomenal. I can excuse a book for being bimonthly, hell quarterly, if it is of the uber-quality that Hitch and Miller are dishing out. What I cannot excuse a book for is being a turd. Even if it’s a Timely turd.

Yeah, it is a positive note. I'd like a MONTHLY TITLE to actually come out MONTHLY. Instead of, you know, whenever the hell it wants to come out.

As someone said earlier, they even delayed between Ultimates 1 and 2 so that they could keep the book on schedule...and that lasted a whole two or three months and then went right back to it's usually thing.

And I rarely complain about books being late on these boards. This and All Star Batman are the only titles that I complain about. And this title I complain about because they put aside EXTRA TIME to make sure it was monthly...and it's not. Sheesh.

I just love how people are already like, "Loeb and Joe Mad aren't going to be any good" when nobody has any clue as to what the hell they are even going to do, heh. People may like Loeb and Joe Mad's take on The Ultimates for all we know. I'm looking forward to it. No, Joe Mad doesn't draw like Bryan Hitch....so WHAT? Joe Mad isn't horrible by any means, just a different style.

[MyPokerShirt]

the style has always been top class on ultimates. people are just scared. people fear what they don't understand, yknow. :p lmao

[Savage]

the style has always been top class on ultimates. people are just scared. people fear what they don't understand, yknow. :p lmao
Or change for that matter. I mean god knows how many times I've heard someone read an Ultimate book and say "Whatshisface wouldn't do that! That's not how he's supposed to be! Oh my god! They're s**tting on 50 years!". It's like the concept of what the Ultimate universe is goes flying right over their heads...It's like the Just Imagine: Stan Lee thing all over again but longer.

[deemar325]

I like the changes for the most part in the Ultimates.

[TheSumOfGod]

Except for Doctor "goatlegs" Van Damme and Gah Lak Tus "the swarm of alien machine bugs". Ugh. Warren Ellis should stay the f*** away from Ultimate Marvel forever.

[Caliber]

Except for Doctor "goatlegs" Van Damme and Gah Lak Tus "the swarm of alien machine bugs". Ugh. Warren Ellis should stay the f*** away from Ultimate Marvel forever.

Ult Dr Doom is not his fault, its Bendis and Millar for writing it out that way. They wrote out the first 12 issues of Ult F4.

[TheSumOfGod]

Ult Dr Doom is not his fault, its Bendis and Millar for writing it out that way. They wrote out the first 12 issues of Ult F4.

No they didn't, only the first 6. Warren Ellis started his run with issue 7, and he's the one who decided that Victor Van Damme would have goatlegs, spit poison gas, shoot metallic splinters, and be a petty little daddy's boy. All that Bendis and Millar did wrong was call him "Van Damme" instead of "Von Doom", and that's not their fault really, since the people in charge of Marvel told them to do it. The reason: At the time, the movie version of Doctor Doom was being called Victor Van Damme. They wanted to copy the upcoming FF movie, which was stupid, since they based their decision for the name-change on an early draft, and early drafts always get radically altered as pre-production moves foward.

[TheSumOfGod]

bump, again. Damn, there just isn't any Ultimates news these days. :(

[Kahoot]

bump, again. Damn, there just isn't any Ultimates news these days. :(
Exactly, so why not just wait till there is news till you bump the thread back up? :confused:

[TheSumOfGod]

That way, it makes it easier for me to find this thread. ;)

[Hush]

I currently bought Gods and Monsters, im just curious have we discovered whether or not Thor is an actual god yet??? Or is he still kinda crazy.

[ang_hulk]

we still dont know,some odd facts have dropped rencently,loki not using his powers and claiming if he does odin will find him,thor vanishing but some guy having his powers and not being a god but wearing his suit,little thing.I dont know,i used to hope he wasnt a god but had a gods voice in his head,that way he kept the norse myth connection but kept it realistic.I think lokis more crazy then thor ever was.I just read the recent issue,dissopointed but still good,the next ones where the good stuff is hiding.

[The Question]

bump, again. Damn, there just isn't any Ultimates news these days. :(

Well, if the apocolypse starts later today like you say, it really doesn't matter, does it? :o

[TheSumOfGod]

Well, if the apocolypse starts later today like you say, it really doesn't matter, does it? :o

Not today, August 3-5.

[The Question]

You said July 26.

[Darthphere]

Actually he said August 4-5, now he added August 3 as well.

[TheSumOfGod]

Actually he said August 4-5, now he added August 3 as well.

Originally, I said the last week of July, but after reverifying and recalculating everything, I realized that I made a mistake of 10 days (the jewish calendar is VERY tricky). The 9th day of the month of Av is August 3-4 this year, and the ritual fast ends the 5th at sunset, therefore August 3-5. :o

[Darthphere]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241018

Prediction: The 4th (or 5th) of August 2006 (latest), the city of Jerusalem shall be destroyed by a nuclear explosion (most probably a terrorist attack from Iran), and WWIII shall soon follow. You'll see (or I'll admit that I was wrong).

[The Question]

Originally, I said the last week of July, but after reverifying and recalculating everything, I realized that I made a mistake of 10 days (the jewish calendar is VERY tricky). The 9th day of the month of Av is August 3-4 this year, and the ritual fast ends the 5th at sunset, therefore August 3-5. :o

You know, constantly changing yout prophecy doesn't give it much credibility.

[TheSumOfGod]

You know, constantly changing yout prophecy doesn't give it much credibility.

I'm NOT "constantly changing it", it has remained the same for over ten years, the 9th day of the month of Av of the year 5766 of the jewish calendar, I had just forgotten that the jewish calendar is very irregular, having only 353, 354 or 355 days, 12 months of 29 or 30 days, 7 times every 19 years a 13th month would be added, sometimes it would be called Veadar, sometimes Adar Sheni, it's pretty complicated, it doesn't follow our own calendar. When I first made my prediction back in 1996, the 9th of Av fell on July 25th-26th, and I kept that date in mind over the years, not realizing that in 2006, the 9th of Av would be August 3rd-4th, with the ritual fast officially ending the 5th, that's all.

[The Question]

.......okay. :confused:



I have to ask though, what's the basis of your prediction in the first place?

[TheSumOfGod]

.......okay. :confused:



I have to ask though, what's the basis of your prediction in the first place?

A combination of various prophecies and future prediction systems, most notably the "Bible Code", the Mayan Calendar, Hopi/Navajo prophecies, and inside information I have gathered from one of my contacts within the Illuminati/Anunnaki Power Structure (a high degree Freemason).

[The Question]

.......okay.

[cass]

.......okay.

lol


Any word on #12 yet?

[ang_hulk]

its on shed so far,Im wondering what iron mans new suit will be,it looks like on the cover of 12 hes got his old one but mabey it will have more weapons or somthing.Its cool that his has them stored in space,i think he should be able to remote activate them though.Its nice to see his older armor.I want to say that after a closer look at the prisoners i know theres somthing more to it,i think those cuffs were not only desinged to hold them but prolly had explosives in them,this way,if one borke out they kill themselves and mabey others.They also looked very down,still a possibilty of gas or drugs.I also think that abom could take thing and a dynomech could take jhonny.




-also,I dont acredit the bible for any of whats happening-if they throw a bomb at a desert it just becomes a desert with a hole in it,who cares? and theyd just follow what your saying and call it the apoc,there bible buffs over there so why not? ww3? o well,nukes fly to other countries,if we get hit(which i highly doubt with our anti nuke tech) then we get hit,im certain that will fire first.Im in pa so i doubt anything being bad over here and i honestly wouldent mind if this state was blown off the planet so o well.

[cass]

Just read that Hitch is still pencilling Ultimates 12, has about 28 pages done out of what will probably be 37.

[TheSumOfGod]

Amazing how cass follows me around everywhere I happen to post, even in threads that he usually never posts in, poor little puppy. :rolleyes: :D

[cass]

Learn to read jackass.

[TheSumOfGod]

^lol :D "Ignore List", you silly little troll. *Sigh* Nevermind... :rolleyes:

[cass]

lol

:D

[Trigger]

Its on shed so far, I'm wondering what iron mans new suit will be. It looks like on the cover of 12 he's got his old one but maybe it will have more weapons or somthing. It's cool that he has them stored in space. I think he should be able to remote activate them. Though it's nice to see his older armor. I want to say that after a closer look at the prisoners, i know there's somthing more to it. I think those cuffs were not only desinged to hold them but probably had explosives in them,this way,if one broke out they'd kill themselves and maybe others.They also looked very down,still a possibilty of gas or drugs.I also think that a bomb could take thing and a dynomech could take Johnny.

There were images of some of the Ultimates 3 costumes floating around somewhere, but I can't find them.

[cass]

There were images of some of the Ultimates 3 costumes floating around somewhere, but I can't find them.

I think that's just Joe Mad's various ideas, not necessarily the design Hitch is going with.

[ang_hulk]

Any word on preview art or somthing?

[ang_hulk]

Can somone post some good pics of the libs reserves?

[MattXG]

There were images of some of the Ultimates 3 costumes floating around somewhere, but I can't find them.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/MattXG/Cap.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/MattXG/BlackWidow.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/MattXG/Thor.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/MattXG/UltimateIronMan.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/MattXG/Wasp.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/MattXG/Cap2.jpg

Absolutely love Black Widow's new look!

I didn't like this guy's art style at first but now I'm really liking it! Especially after seeing some of his finished work on other titles.:up:

[MattXG]

Here are the rest...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/GCHAvatars/Wasp.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/GCHAvatars/ScarletWitch.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/GCHAvatars/Hulk.jpg

Like SW's new look.


His Hulk is pretty cool, too. Hate Wasp as a character and hope she bites the big one this time. :up:

Also, I hear when our Ultimates are reassembled it will be an 8 man team.

1) Cap America
2) Iron Man
3) Thor
4) Black Widow
5) Hulk
6) Scarlet Witch
7) Wasp

and drum roll for the surprise 8th member of the team...



8) Spider-Woman

[Dr.Doom]

I hate that he's making them look like 616

[Darthphere]

Ummm, who exactly, all of them excpet for Scarlet Witch are essentially the same costumes, and Iron Man looks atrocious.

[Dr.Doom]

It says right on the Cap. pic that that is what he is doing. He also says it in the interview.

[Darthphere]

But look at the actual costume and not the lburb, what differences do you see, really?

[Dr.Doom]

those are prelim sketches.

[Darthphere]

I doubt theyll change anymore than that, the only really big change they could make is adding wing-tips, and I doubt theyll do that.

[MattXG]

I doubt theyll change anymore than that, the only really big change they could make is adding wing-tips, and I doubt theyll do that.
As long as they don't do that...Ult. Cap's design is fine by me. :D

[Mogwai]

Also, I hear when our Ultimates are reassembled it will be an 8 man team.

1) Cap America
2) Iron Man
3) Thor
4) Black Widow
5) Hulk
6) Scarlet Witch
7) Wasp

and drum roll for the surprise 8th member of the team...



8) Spider-Woman

i like that lineup but i figured black widow wouldn't be returning...and what about quicksilver? you think he 'bites it' in issue 12?

[The Question]

Also, I hear when our Ultimates are reassembled it will be an 8 man team.

1) Cap America
2) Iron Man
3) Thor
4) Black Widow
5) Hulk
6) Scarlet Witch
7) Wasp

and drum roll for the surprise 8th member of the team...



8) Spider-Woman

Weird. I heard Ghost Rider.

[Spider-Gamer]

Weird. I heard Ghost Rider.
I thought so as well, but I already saw a sketch of her.

[Spider-Gamer]

Here, I found the picture.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/Spidercide/thumbs-spider.jpg

[Kahoot]

I've said it before andI'll say it again (if the pics are posted again) I don't like the new Iron Man. He looks cool but he looks weird as well.

Also that Ultimate Spider-Woman is crap!

[Red]

Here, I found the picture.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/Spidercide/thumbs-spider.jpg

Isn't that like a spoiler for Ultimate Spider-Man?

[Caliber]

Weird. I heard Ghost Rider.

Loeb confirmed it wasn't him though I don't get why GR would join them.

[dmor173]

why would they let black widow on the team?

she betrayed them, killed jarvis, hawkeyes family and let them take over the country.

personally i hope hawkeye is the one who gets to kill her.

but then again if joe mad is doing sketches of her she could be in their run. but she should probaly be on the run, her being on the team would be nuts.

also, ghost rider would be the worst possible character to put on the ultimates. wouldnt fit in at all.

[Savage]

Yeah, I'm not getting that either...Maybe she'll be in prison giving them intel or a villain or something.

[Sentry2005]

Or, like in 616, it won't be the same Black Widow. There are lots of Agents who use that title in the regular continuity, so maybe it's just a new one.

[cass]

Another thing to consider is that these were just pre-lim sketches.