Official The Ultimates Thread

[TheSumOfGod]

I realized that no one else had made a poll for this, so PLEASE do not merge this with the other Ultimates traitor thread. Just vote, and say why. I voted for Cap.

[TheSumOfGod]

Ultimates 2 issue 8 is the BIG REVEAL, so we only have one or two more weeks before we find out! :)

[TheSumOfGod]

Dammit! I just saw that issue 8 is only coming out September 21st. :(

[baimun]

I still want to think that Fury somehow wants out of this machine that he's helped create... So I voted other.

On the other hand, I don't want to believe that Fury killed Hawkeye and his family, but you never know.

[i'm Spider-Man]

I say Hank Pym.

I say he's gone crazy due to all the trauma in recent times, (beating the cr*p out of Janet, Janet leaving him, shacking up with Captain America (the man who beat the cr*p out of Hank even though he was 49.99 feet tall at the time), getting thrown off the team, being rejected totally by Nick Fury... little things like that).

He's developed split personalities and is deluding himself that he can pull of a Captain America impression using the costume he got to please that h0t piece of @$$ Valkyrie!

[TheSumOfGod]

I say Hank Pym.

I say he's gone crazy due to all the trauma in recent times, (beating the cr*p out of Janet, Janet leaving him, shacking up with Captain America (the man who beat the cr*p out of Hank even though he was 59.99 feet tall at the time), getting thrown off the team, being rejected totally by Nick Fury... little things like that).

He's developed split personalities and is deluding himself that he can pull of a Captain America impression using the costume he got to please that h0t piece of @$$ Valkyrie!

If that's the case, then do you think Loki knows he's made a deal with a Tyler Durden wannabe?

[The Question]

Probably. You know, I like the Hank Pym idea. Makes sense to me.

[TheSumOfGod]

Probably. You know, I like the Hank Pym idea. Makes sense to me.

I've just thought of something. What if Hank Pym ISN'T insane, but rather Loki has been manipulating reality to make him believe that someone else is the traitor, so that Hank joins this non-existent traitor and turns himself into the REAL traitor instead? When Hank was talking to the traitor in his apartment, he wouldn't have been talking to a real person or to a figment of his imagination, but rather to some illusion that Loki created.

[The Question]

Also interesting.

[Orko Is King]

FREDDIE PRINZE JR.!!! :eek:

[BrianWilly]

I think Loki has said that he has nothing to do with the real traitor. Okay yeah, he's the god of trickery, but I don't see why Miller would specifically have him brag about it and then not have it happen.

I say it's Cap. Bizarre as it may sound to a lot of you, he's really the most logical choice. Who here hasn't whined or complained about the fact that Ultimate Cap is just a yesman soldier arsemonkey who does whatever his commanding officers tell him to do? That's not the way that Captain America is supposed to be. Well, what if he's really not that way?

[iamcevrus2]

Ok i voted other and for the record im gonna list a few of the people not mentioned: Wonder Man, the Vision, Quicksilver, Wanda, Hulk(it got him outta jail...i know very long shot leave me alone its late), Betty Ross, and Bucky

[Lucy in the sky]

FREDDIE PRINZE JR.!!! :eek:

IF it turns out to be him, or a chitauri :eek: :ghost: :)

[mrvlknight21]

I pray its not Cap...maybe Hank instead.

[Nick Eastwood]

Ok i voted other and for the record im gonna list a few of the people not mentioned: Wonder Man, the Vision, Quicksilver, Wanda, Hulk(it got him outta jail...i know very long shot leave me alone its late), Betty Ross, and Bucky

Wonder Man isn't even in the comic. And Vision is being rebuilt by Hank Pym.

I still think, even though obviously Millar says that no one has gotten it right, that if Loki is twisting reality. Then it is Cap, because he's turning America against itself. Who better than Captain America to go after his own countrymen? So Cap, due to a twist in reality, has gone rogue.

I mean, Fury really has gone too far with sending the Ultimates into foreign soil. the Twisted Cap is here to step in when things get out of line.

Though killing Hawkeye and his family seem a little too twisted.

[Muze]

whatever happened to the rumour that the traitor was Captain Britain? if Millar says that it hasn't been guessed yet; Captain America is out of the running.

[Valorman]

it was gwen stacy

and you frigin know it

[Nick Eastwood]

But we've guessed everybody, and how can someone not have said who the traitor was.

Do you think Millar maybe meant that no one has guessed why the traitor is doing what he/she is doing?

And Captain Britain has such a small smalle role in the series that I highly doubt it would be him. He came in after the Hulk trial, so he's out.

While Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch would make perfect traitors, it just would seem mundane because you'd be expecting it.

I guess we'll just have to wait a few weeks and see.

[iamcevrus2]

Its so nice to see everbody saying that hawkeye is dead. All we see is a gun being fired, we dont even know if it's the traitor's gun or if the gun is pointed at hawkeye

[Nick Eastwood]

I think it's common sense that Hawkeye is dead. Look at the panel. Hawkeye has been shot multiple times, he's holding onto his dead son, and the traitor is cocking his gun at him. Everyone else in the room is dead. Then bullets start to fly. It's totally logical.

Seriously, the only way Hawkeye wouldn't be dead is if Quicksilver ran in at very last second and carried him out.

[iamcevrus2]

Or somebody walked up behing the traitor, remember wanda forgetting her purse? We dont know who's gun it is being fired, if you read marvel you cant assume anything (Sins Past, Bucky, 616 hawkeye)

[Nick Eastwood]

Well, I'm going to assume it was all literal and that the gun is the traitors.

Besides, if someone shoots and/or kills the traitor in that panel then there won't be much for the rest of the series.

[TheSumOfGod]

Yeah, and we must remember that even though "the big reveal" is in issue 8, issue 8 is still just the 2nd part of a SIX-PART storyline, ending with issue 12, the last issue of Volume 2, the last issue of the Ultimates that Millar and Hitch are doing.

[Sentry2005]

wait a second! what if the traitor is loki. ok he's not on the team, but they introduced him to everyone as the man who designed the technology thor was using. and even though loki denied responsibility for leaking the information about banner, he is the god of mischeif.

[TheSumOfGod]

wait a second! what if the traitor is loki. ok he's not on the team, but they introduced him to everyone as the man who designed the technology thor was using. and even though loki denied responsibility for leaking the information about banner, he is the god of mischeif.

A) He's not a member of the Ultimates, and B) I don't think he would go around shooting people in the head while wearing little black leather gloves. :rolleyes:

[Valorman]

im telling you.....gwen stacy

[TheSumOfGod]

She's not a member of the Ultimates yet. :rolleyes:

[Muze]

wait a second! what if the traitor is loki. ok he's not on the team, but they introduced him to everyone as the man who designed the technology thor was using. and even though loki denied responsibility for leaking the information about banner, he is the god of mischeif.

uhh but Loki's the one who told Thor that there was a traitor in their midst. he said that the traitor was working with friends of his.

[TheSumOfGod]

Let's get this straight once and for all, AGAIN: Loki told Thor that he (Loki) did NOT leak the info about Banner being Hulk, that there was a traitor on the team (the Ultimates), that this traitor was a super-soldier, and that Thor will be surprised when he finds out who it is.

[Sentry2005]

thats right kids, the god of mischeif NEVER lies.... becuase lying causes mischeif. :p

but i can't see cap killing hawkeye's family. unless the super soldier serum is going to his head and making him mad...

[TheSumOfGod]

thats right kids, the god of mischeif NEVER lies.... becuase lying causes mischeif. :p

but i can't see cap killing hawkeye's family. unless the super soldier serum is going to his head and making him mad...

Or unless Loki OWNS him, because he's the one who has been keeping Cap alive all these years, protecting him from the inevitable lethal side-effects of the super-soldier serum. :eek:

[spider-jide]

I've just thought of something. What if Hank Pym ISN'T insane, but rather Loki has been manipulating reality to make him believe that someone else is the traitor, so that Hank joins this non-existent traitor and turns himself into the REAL traitor instead? When Hank was talking to the traitor in his apartment, he wouldn't have been talking to a real person or to a figment of his imagination, but rather to some illusion that Loki created.

Yeah, that is definately something if interest you got there.

[TheSumOfGod]

Also, after having read Ultimate Iron Man, and finding out that Tony Stark is so super-smart because he has undifferenciated nervous tissue throughout HIS WHOLE BODY (essentially, every cell in his body acts as a brain cell), I find it strange that he's supposedly dying of a brain tumor...

[TheSumOfGod]

Tony might be the traitor, his executing Hawkeye's family at point blank range would be a wink to 616 Tony never ever using a gun. ;)

[i'm Spider-Man]

I find it strange that Stark is supposedly dying of a brain tumor...

Yeah this one got me... If it turns out Tony is the traitor, this could be played out - he confided in Thor and Cap that he had a tumour, when of course he doesn't and physically CAN'T have a brain tumour, so that he could get sympathy from them and stop any more questioning about why he joined the Ultimates... PLUS he's the only member of the team who goes to see Thor which is suspicious in itself... PLUS he has money, PLUS He's very condescending towards Thor, as if they are on opposing sides...

My suspicions of Tony are growing!!!

[Saph]

But I like Tony. :(

[Arrogant Jon]

dont forget that we haven't seen any art of tony in the ultimates 3 sketches.....altho i rele think that its cap but loki is behind it all.....n i dont think hawkeye is dead that would be just stupid, i hope as sum1 pointed out wanda came back n shot the traitor...doesnt have to be a kill shot like in the arm or sumthin

[TheSumOfGod]

dont forget that we haven't seen any art of tony in the ultimates 3 sketches.....altho i rele think that its cap but loki is behind it all.....n i dont think hawkeye is dead that would be just stupid, i hope as sum1 pointed out wanda came back n shot the traitor...doesnt have to be a kill shot like in the arm or sumthin

I don't mean to be a d**k, but could you PLEASE write in NORMAL english? I don't need another headache.

[i'm Spider-Man]

lol :) Preach TSOG!

[TheSumOfGod]

It might be Thor. ;)

[i'm Spider-Man]

or not. :)

[TheSumOfGod]

Or it might be George W. Bush. Dubya HAS been in the Ultimates, issue 3 of volume 1 I believe, complete with bruise on his face and a pretzel joke behind his back. And he made a brief appearance (again with a pretzel) in the Ultimate War mini-series. Dubya might end up being an alien Nazi shape-shifter, who knows. ;) :D

[SHADOBOXER]

I think it’s Betty Ross. Toward the end of volume one she actually seemed to start caring about Bruce. She is on the team. She full has access to the triskelion, all its resources and troops. Being raised by an army general as a patriot she probably isn’t to happy about preemptive strikes being launched by her country. As PR person she would know how to work an untraceable media leak.

[TheSumOfGod]

I think it’s Betty Ross. Toward the end of volume one she actually seemed to start caring about Bruce. She is on the team. She full has access to the triskelion, all its resources and troops. Being raised by an army general as a patriot she probably isn’t to happy about preemptive strikes being launched by her country. As PR person she would know how to work an untraceable media leak.

But she's not a super-soldier, and she doesn't seem like a cold-blooded assassin.

[SHADOBOXER]

At the present time none of The Ultimates seems like cold-blooded assassins except Fury. Correct me if I am wrong but it was stated the traitor was on the team not that he or she was a super soldier.

[Caliber]

I think its Wasp.

[Nick Eastwood]

At the present time none of The Ultimates seems like cold-blooded assassins except Fury. Correct me if I am wrong but it was stated the traitor was on the team not that he or she was a super soldier.

Quoted from Thor and Loki, The Ultimates 2 #5:

Thor: My father sent me here to save this world, Loki. This isn't a game we're playing. This is a matter of life and death and you've already had poor Banner killed with your pranks.

Loki: Ah, but that wasn't me. I knew I'd get the blame for that, but I really had absolutely nothing to do with outing Banner to the press. Between you and me, you have a wolf in the fold, Thor.

Thor: What?

Loki: Oh yes. There's a traitor in your team and one of these "super-soldiers" isn't quite as noble as they seem. I think you'll be surprised when you find out who. They're working for some friends of mine and, together with what I have in mind, the next few months should be very entertaining.


Plus, Millar has stated that he's been leaving clues as to who it is since the first issue of The Ultimates 2. So keep rereading the books, it's in there somewhere.

[SHADOBOXER]

Loki is the god of lies and the fact that super-solider was in quotes leads me to believe that the term was being used loosely.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

"Super-soldier" could just mean someone with super powers, or someone who is not an average soldier. This means Tony could very well be counted among them, because his Iron Man armor makes him anything but an average "soldier."

This does sort of rule out Fury and Betty Ross, however, but doesn't necessarily implicate anyone.

Captain Britain can't be the traitor as some have suggested, because he's not part of the Ultimates and he isn't American.

As for the brain tumor thing...I dunno. Time will tell, but something tells me that Card is just kind of going off and doing his own thing in the Ultimate Iron Man mini.

[SHADOBOXER]

"Super-soldier" could also be refering to any associated with The Ultimates in any official capacity. Still sticking with Betty.

[Midnight Ice]

I am thinking Nick Fury, so I voted "Other:. I think Cap is too obvious. You also have to think. "Who would have access to all those soldiers to attack Clint's house?" Well Fury would, but so could Black Widow and Cap, but I am going with Fury. :xmen:

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I still can't see it being Captain America. I mean...is it really the same if you take Cap off the team?

[gregtestagent]

I can't vote until I read the new issues.

[bored]

clearly, it's jarvis.

[Deadpool187]

God I hope its Cap.

[Midnight Ice]

I also have an idea that maybe its a Skrull in the form of Cap or Fury. I am mainly thinking Fury. Think about it, got rid of Hulk and Thor, the two most powerful members of the team. They fought the Skrulls in the first series right? I figure it might be a skrull in disquise. But if it is, i'll be pissed cause it would be such a cop-out :xmen:

[deemar325]

I also have an idea that maybe its a Skrull in the form of Cap or Fury. I am mainly thinking Fury. Think about it, got rid of Hulk and Thor, the two most powerful members of the team. They fought the Skrulls in the first series right? I figure it might be a skrull in disquise. But if it is, i'll be pissed cause it would be such a cop-out :xmen:

I have that feeling also.:(

[i'm Spider-Man]

oh, lord... i gotta go thru the WHOLE of Ultiamtes 2 now and search doggedly for those clues.

i remember when someone pointed out that Loki popped up in early issues in the background, and we all flicked back through and most of us just sorta went... "oh, so he is..."...

point is, I don't think i can SEE these clues, but as soon as someone points them out they'll look really obvious.

[Midnight Ice]

oh, lord... i gotta go thru the WHOLE of Ultiamtes 2 now and search doggedly for those clues.

i remember when someone pointed out that Loki popped up in early issues in the background, and we all flicked back through and most of us just sorta went... "oh, so he is..."...

point is, I don't think i can SEE these clues, but as soon as someone points them out they'll look really obvious.
well, you are not alone, my friend.

[TheSumOfGod]

oh, lord... i gotta go thru the WHOLE of Ultiamtes 2 now and search doggedly for those clues.

i remember when someone pointed out that Loki popped up in early issues in the background, and we all flicked back through and most of us just sorta went... "oh, so he is..."...

point is, I don't think i can SEE these clues, but as soon as someone points them out they'll look really obvious.

Millar and Hitch are freakin' GENIUSES. It's too bad that they're leaving after these last 5 issues of The Ultimates 2. :(

[TheSumOfGod]

Only 4 more days to go... (in principle)

[i'm Spider-Man]

Only 4 more days to go... (in principle)

:rolleyes:

[TheSumOfGod]

:rolleyes:

Well, it COULD (HYPOTHETICALLY) be LATE AGAIN. :mad:

[i'm Spider-Man]

yep. it probably will be. how late was the last one? almost a month, right? So we should expect this one.. sometime around Hallow'een.

quite appropriate really, given the reveal of the traitor next issue; will it be a trick, or a treat?

[TheSumOfGod]

yep. it probably will be. how late was the last one? almost a month, right? So we should expect this one.. sometime around Hallow'een.

quite appropriate really, given the reveal of the traitor next issue; will it be a trick, or a treat?

It's ALREADY 2 or 3 weeks late. :o

[A_French_Gal]

It's ALREADY 2 or 3 weeks late. :o

You think you're hurting. I'm trying to collect the new Iron Man series. :(

[TheSumOfGod]

You think you're hurting. I'm trying to collect the new Iron Man series. :(

Just imagine... if we were Kevin Smith fans, we would still be waiting for the next issue of Spider-Man/Black Cat. :eek:

[TheSumOfGod]

I still can't believe that after issue 8, there are still 4 more issues until the "Grand Theft America" storyline is over. Issue 12 will probably come out in June or July 2006 at this rate. :(

[deemar325]

I still can't believe that after issue 8, there are still 4 more issues until the "Grand Theft America" storyline is over. Issue 12 will probably come out in June or July 2006 at this rate. :(

lol!

[TheSumOfGod]

Well, it's true.

[TheSumOfGod]

Anyone think that Issue 8 WILL come out this wednesday like it's supposed to? It's already 2 or 3 weeks late...

[Midnight Ice]

Yeah, it will. it is listed to come out tomorrow at Mutanthigh.com . they always keep up to date on the releases and have never been wrong to my knowledge. i usually check there before i check marvel's site. :xmen:

[TheSumOfGod]

Good. :)

[TheSumOfGod]

Well, it's official: Cap IS the traitor! But he's not the REAL Cap! And Tony is ALSO a traitor! And he might have CREATED this FAKE Cap! :eek:

[TheSumOfGod]

Then again, it could be either Fury or Hawkeye (who's gonna suspect a DEAD GUY, right?), and they're trying to bring down Cap and Tony with this latest ploy. Loki is a GOD... literally. ;)

[yahman]

What about Mrs Pym ?????????? :)

[TheSumOfGod]

What about Mrs Pym ?????????? :)

Nah, can't be her. She's somewhere else when these things happen, the traitor had already contacted her ex-husband Hank Pym before they started seeing each other again, and she simply isn't a "soldier", unlike Cap or Fury, she wouldn't wipe out and entire family, including a freakin' BABY, at point blank range.

[Nick Eastwood]

It's gotta be Tony. I just read #8, he set Cap up as the traitor. He's building an army. It's gotta be him.

[Nick Eastwood]

Alright, I had this theory worked out in my head, but now I think I've forgot it. So I'm going to attempt to think about it.

I think that Tony Stark/Iron Man is the traitor. Through and through. Fury kept mentioning while pounding at Cap that, "You guys thought we were stupid." Meaning that there's more than one. And then soon after that there's a scene where Tony is getting hassled for building a war plane far beyond military technology. Suspicious no? Millar has mentioned that there will be an Ultimate Red Skull and an Ultimate Ultron. I think Pym is working for the traitor, in some way or another, either that or the traitor is going to steal Ultron from Pym. Now, for Red Skull. Skull might be in league with the traitor, or is one of the friend's Loki mentions is working with the traitor (which basically means the same thing). Skull, at least in 616, is known for taking up identities. And in 616, the Skull that was just recently killed was a clone of Cap. So, back to Ultimate universe, Skull could be impersonating Cap to set him up as the traitor. I'm a little confused about the whole, the Cap we know isn't the real Cap, which, in theory, could mean that the fake Cap is the Red Skull in disguise. I seem to be repeating myself. Now figuring out who or where the real Cap is, I really want to know, I really wish this book was weekly, or at least, wasn't late.

So basically. Stark and Skull are working together and the Skull is a friend of Loki's...or something. Skull is impersonating Cap, and Cap is being set up. Though, I never really read an issue through thoroughly, Fury did mention that Stark's deep sea people found Cap. Which, well, my theory isn't wholly worked out and I need to fix it up more. But there's the gist.

[TheSumOfGod]

Cap is NOT the traitor, he's just been brought down the same way Thor was, by showing the team a fake videotape (Loki showed them a video of him building the Thor super-tech hardware, and then of Thor going insane and stealing it, and he messed around with Fury's secret cameras, so that they show CAP killing Hawkeye), so now everyone thinks that Thor is a lunatic and that Cap isn't even the real Cap, just some Cap wannabe who betrayed the team. Loki is a genius. And it's either Fury or a still alive Hawkeye.

[Nick Eastwood]

Hawkeye has absolutely no involvement in this. Would you really let yourself get shot to high heaven just so you can do dirty deeds? Not worth it.

I don't think Loki has anything to do with the videotape. I think the tape is real, it's just someone in disguise as Cap. Ala Red Skull. Who I believe is in league with Tony Stark. It couldn't be Fury, he talked about how he was Hawkeye's daughter's godfather, that's just downright low and Fury would never do that (killing, not being a godfather). Plus the way Fury was when taking down Cap, he was so out of control, and don't give me some halfass concept that he's double teaming, I highly doubt after all he's put together, he's going to take it all apart.

Ultimateverse works differently than 616. Hawkeye taking down some of his own men while getting shot to death just so he can make a nice videotape then later come back and bite everyone in the ass is 616 material, not Ultimateverse, as far as I believe.

Tony Stark is the only one we haven't gotten much gruff on, and all of a sudden he's building a war plane? All of a sudden he finds Cap at the same time they were putting together a super-hero team? Come on. It's right there.

[TheSumOfGod]

Ultimateverse works differently than 616. Hawkeye taking down some of his own men while getting shot to death just so he can make a nice videotape then later come back and bite everyone in the ass is 616 material, not Ultimateverse, as far as I believe.

LOL! :p Right. :rolleyes:

[i'm Spider-Man]

I have a theroy that Hawkeye is still alive. knowing the furor that kicked up when bendis killed him in Disassembled, Millar wouldn't go killing Ultimate Hawkeye before he's even had a chance to flesh him out properly.

One thing i was thinking about was the earlier issues. Not coming to any definitive conclusions, just thinking about the issues.

We see Cap rescued, conveniently, from the sea, after we're treated to Cap's heroic 'death' scene - a spectacular moment in recent comic history, IMO. I don't think they'd put this opening 'historical' scene in only to show he's really a bad guy in modern times.

We also see Tony Stark talking about 'the next phase of the plan', and clearing out his homes, wine cellars et cetera. getting rid of all teh stuff he's accumulated over the years. Almost like he's preparing for something. He puts it down to the brain tumour (which, i have to say, makes no sense considering nervous tissue is throughout his body, ergo he's probably lying) but maybe there's a more sinister reason.

[jres]

A couple of people have mentioned Stark building a warplane, has anyone considered that this might be the origin of the ultimate Quinjet? I like the theory that it might be Betty Ross.

[TheSumOfGod]

Betty Ross might very well be Loki in disguise. In Avengers issue 1 back in September 1963, Loki made the Avengers assemble for the very first time in order to bring down the Hulk (what Loki wanted in reality was for Thor to come out of hiding and fight him on his own turf). In the first storyarc of the Ultimates, Betty Ross drove Bruce Banner to become the Hulk once again, thus forcing the Ultimates to bring him down and making Thor join them, this being their first big fight. Plus, when we see Betty Ross at the S.H.I.E.L.D. press conference at the end of Ultimates 2 issue 8, she's wearing the EXACT SAME OUTFIT that Ultimate Loki has always worn, a black shirt with an obvious pale green overcoat. Betty Ross might be Loki in disguise.

[TheSumOfGod]

When is issue 9 SUPPOSED to come out, btw?

[i'm Spider-Man]

"ULTIMATES 2 9

DUE NOV 2005


Written by MARK MILLAR Pencils & Cover by BRYAN HITCH

“GRAND THEFT AMERICA” With the devastating revelation of the traitor in the Ultimates, the team is reeling in shock! But even that sad situation can’t stop wedding bells from ringing for Tony “Iron Man” Stark and Natasha “Black Widow” Romanov. Make sure to bring your invitation—to action! Part 3 (of 6) 32 PGS./PARENTAL ADVISORY ."

[Nick Eastwood]

Either the end of this month or sometime in November.

[TheSumOfGod]

At this rate, the last issue of Volume 2, number 12, will come out in May or June 2006. :eek: :(

[TheSumOfGod]

Since we're gonna be talking about the Ultimates and their traitor in THIS thread and THIS thread alone from now on, just remember the number one rule of the conspiracy theorist: It's not insane if it's true, it's not paranoia if they're really after you. ;) :D

[newavengers12]

it can't be Cap

[newavengers12]

He is the cornerstone of the Avengers

[newavengers12]

And he sis the best super hero on the Marvel Universe

[newavengers12]

And the Avengers can't match Cap combat skills, so he will demolish them.

[TheSumOfGod]

But this isn't the Avengers in the Marvel Universe, it's the Ultimates in the Ultimate Marvel Universe. But I don't think it's Cap anymore either. He's just been set up like Thor was, with a fake surveillance tape.

[TheSumOfGod]

I just hope Millar doesn't do a total cop-out since it's his last run on the Ultimates and the Ultimate Universe in general.

[Caliber]

By the way it sounds, it might be Tony Stark but I hope its worth finding out.

[TheSumOfGod]

I still think the traitor is Hawkeye, and that Betty Ross is and always has been Loki in disguise, which would piss-off to no end the homophobic Ultimate Hulk.

[Caliber]

I still think the traitor is Hawkeye, and that Betty Ross is and always has been Loki in disguise, which would piss-off to no end the homophobic Ultimate Hulk.

I think it be great if it was Iron Man or someone we haven't seen.

[TheSumOfGod]

I think it be great if it was Iron Man or someone we haven't seen.

If it's someone we haven't seen yet it would suck, it would be like "the traitor was Ultimate WONDER MAN!" and the readers would be like "WTF?!", plus, it would contradict everything that Loki told Thor.

[TheSumOfGod]

It's HAWKEYE, dammit! :mad: ;)

[TheSumOfGod]

Does anyone have any pics or new information about the upcoming issue 9?

[Caliber]

It's HAWKEYE, dammit! :mad: ;)

No it is I Caliber hahahaha, I wish we know already.:ghost:

[Grim Goblin]

ok, you guys hooked me, I gotta take a shot at this mystery.

so far the clues (that we know of) are:

(1):Thor's conversation with Loki


Loki: Oh yes. There's a traitor in your team and one of these "super-soldiers" isn't quite as noble as they seem. I think you'll be surprised when you find out who. They're working for some friends of mine and, together with what I have in mind, the next few months should be very entertaining.

this could mean that the traitor isn't necesserily a super-soldier since Loki clearly points out that there are more than one person involved. I don't think that Hank Pym is included in this quote since he's no longer part of the team and his less-than-noble actions aren't exactly news to anyone. But we know that he is working with the traitor.

I don't really think that Loki is responsible for messing with the tape because when you think about it there are easier ways to get the job done. Remember, Pym is working on an android that simulate human life and just so happens to have a Captain America costume & a major grudge against the Ultimates in general and Cap specifically.

so that would be Pym's involvement in the whole affair IMO.

now I need to check back for the clues to deduce who the other 2 people involved are.

[Grim Goblin]

ok, you guys hooked me, I gotta take a shot at this mystery.

so far the clues (that we know of) are:

(1):Thor's conversation with Loki


Loki: Oh yes. There's a traitor in your team and one of these "super-soldiers" isn't quite as noble as they seem. I think you'll be surprised when you find out who. They're working for some friends of mine and, together with what I have in mind, the next few months should be very entertaining.

this could mean that the traitor isn't necesserily a super-soldier since Loki clearly points out that there are more than one person involved. I don't think that Hank Pym is included in this quote since he's no longer part of the team and his less-than-noble actions aren't exactly news to anyone. But we know that he is working with the traitor.

I don't really think that Loki is responsible for messing with the tape because when you think about it there are easier ways to get the job done. Remember, Pym is working on an android that simulate human life and just so happens to have a Captain America costume & a major grudge against the Ultimates in general and Cap specifically.

so that would be Pym's involvement in the whole affair (mainly, supplying tools)IMO.

now I need to check back for the clues to deduce who the other 2 people involved are. I'll post agin when something comes up.

[TheSumOfGod]

Loki: Oh yes. There's a traitor in your team and one of these "super-soldiers" isn't quite as noble as they seem. I think you'll be surprised when you find out who. They're working for some friends of mine and, together with what I have in mind, the next few months should be very entertaining.

this could mean that the traitor isn't necesserily a super-soldier since Loki clearly points out that there are more than one person involved. I don't think that Hank Pym is included in this quote since he's no longer part of the team and his less-than-noble actions aren't exactly news to anyone. But we know that he is working with the traitor.

I don't really think that Loki is responsible for messing with the tape because when you think about it there are easier ways to get the job done. Remember, Pym is working on an android that simulate human life and just so happens to have a Captain America costume & a major grudge against the Ultimates in general and Cap specifically.

so that would be Pym's involvement in the whole affair (mainly, supplying tools)IMO.

It's true, the "and" and the "They're" seem to indicate that he was talking about two different persons.

[Nick Eastwood]

But he said, "One of these super soldiers aren't as noble as they seem.

Meaning there is only one. They're doesn't necessarily mean more than one, you can use that as a single context.

[TheSumOfGod]

But he said, "One of these super soldiers aren't as noble as they seem.

Meaning there is only one. They're doesn't necessarily mean more than one, you can use that as a single context.

But it COULD also be taken literally, in the sense that there's a traitor on the team AND one of the super-soldiers isn't quite as noble as he/she seems.

[TheSumOfGod]

We'll know for sure when issue 9 comes out November 9th. :) Or not, if it's late, or if the story keeps dragging on. :(

[i'm Spider-Man]

I'd really, really hate it if it turned out to be Ultimate Red Skull, y'know. What's the point in building a mystery if it turns out to be a completely, wacky answer?! But i don't think Millar is that kind of writer.

[Caliber]

I need to catch up with this because it's getting to become pointless guessing.

[TheSumOfGod]

I'd really, really hate it if it turned out to be Ultimate Red Skull, y'know. What's the point in building a mystery if it turns out to be a completely, wacky answer?! But i don't think Millar is that kind of writer.

People mentionned Ultimate Red Skull because Mark Millar said once that we were gonna see the Ultimate version of the Red Skull as a main villain of the Ultimates. But it seems that Kleiser, Cap's arch-nemesis from WWII and the Nazi leader of the Chitauri (Ultimate Skrulls) from Volume 1 was the Ultimate version of the Red Skull after all.

[TheSumOfGod]

bump

[GNR]

Guys,I just started picking up some back issues of The Ultimates and I must say it has become my favorite comic currently next to Ultimate X-Men.The current arc is very cool so far.I have a couple questions.

Where is Thor's hammer and is there a chance we will see him back in action?

At the end of issue #3(the great trial issue),is that Banner who contacted Pym letting him know he's alive?Or was this someone else?If it was Banner,does this mean that Pym did something Fury and Co. were not aware of to help Bruce out?

Your answers will be appreciated!Ultimates rule!

Oh yea,another thing.Am I the only one not excited about Joe Mad coming onboard as an artist?I've really loved Hitch's art but Joe Mad's cartoony art is just going to be an extreme departure from the realistic tone of the book.

[GNR]

EDIT

[i'm Spider-Man]

Where is Thor's hammer and is there a chance we will see him back in action?

To be honest, I haven't a clue. That's quite a good point... I mean, if they have his equipment, you think they'd have tried it on someone else, right? To see how easily it can be controlled? And of course, if for some reason that doesn't work.. then THor's the real deal. Oh i dunno... anyway.

At the end of issue #3(the great trial issue),is that Banner who contacted Pym letting him know he's alive?Or was this someone else?If it was Banner,does this mean that Pym did something Fury and Co. were not aware of to help Bruce out?

This, my friend, is a matter of opinion. Personally, I think Pym was dead certain he'd anaesthetised Banner enough. Which i why he reacted so sourly to Fury's remark in the helicopter about the amount he'd injected Bruce with. "I'm not an idot", something like that. I think he just underestimated the Hulk's latent will to survive.

Also, it's a current theory that the nuclear explosion the Hulk was caught in furhter mutated his system, turning him into the emerald goliath we're familiar with in regular Marvel continuity. All will become clear!

(and i agree with what you said about MAD.)

[GNR]

Thanks ISM!

[Torchd]

Could someone explain this whole thing to me and please don't say issues becuse I have no way of getting them? Thanks

[i'm Spider-Man]

explain what whole thing?

[i'm Spider-Man]

LOOK AT THIS CLOSELY:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/18/ultimates10.jpg

LOOK AT THE SOLDIERS.

LOOK AT WHAT 'THOR' IS HOLDING, AND WHAT IT'S A SYMBOL FOR.

LOOK AT THE COLOUR OF 'IRON MAN'S' LIGHTS, AND WHAT SUPER-VILLAINS MIMIC IRON MAN'S ARMOUR.

LOOK AT THE WOMAN HOLDING THE GUNS, SLIGHTLY RIGHT OF CENTRE.

NOW CONSIDER THE ULTIMATES, THE GENIUINE ARTICLES, AND THINK AMONG ALL OF THEM, WHO HAS THE STRONGEST TIES TO RUSSIA OR THE FORMER SOVIET UNION...?

I BELIEVE NATASHA IS THE TRAITOR

[deemar325]

LOOK AT THIS CLOSELY:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/18/ultimates10.jpg

LOOK AT THE SOLDIERS.

LOOK AT WHAT 'THOR' IS HOLDING, AND WHAT IT'S A SYMBOL FOR.

LOOK AT THE COLOUR OF 'IRON MAN'S' LIGHTS, AND WHAT SUPER-VILLAINS MIMIC IRON MAN'S ARMOUR.

LOOK AT THE WOMAN HOLDING THE GUNS, SLIGHTLY RIGHT OF CENTRE.

NOW CONSIDER THE ULTIMATES, THE GENIUINE ARTICLES, AND THINK AMONG ALL OF THEM, WHO HAS THE STRONGEST TIES TO RUSSIA OR THE FORMER SOVIET UNION...?

I BELIEVE NATASHA IS THE TRAITOR


Could the big guy on the far left be Abomination? Emil Blonsky is Russian. Hmmm?:up:

[Torchd]

explain what whole thing?

I'd appreciate it?:) :spidey:

[GNR]

Wow!

That pic got me so excited!Where did you get that?I'm so happy I picked up this title!

ISM,one more thing regarding your responses.

On first read,I automatically got the first impression that Hank was up to something or knew something that everyone else didn't when Fury asked him if he gave Banner enough dosage to keep him out until the bomb went off.I don't know why,maybe it was the way he responded or his facial expression.

The Trial Of The Hulk is one of my fav issues of all time now!

[Dr Doom]

Left to Right: Abomination, Evil Thor?, Crimson Dynamo, Evil Cap?, ???, Black Widow

[~†~§iX~†~]

The build up of this story is reminding me of Batman:Hush. Everyone was so caught up about who, that they couldn't see the wood for the trees and it was the why that was the shocker, and also the more interesting aspect of the story. Everyone that is suggesting Stark is the traitor, and they have presented good evidence.I mean why has Stark, who begun not wanting to associate his technology with the millitary at all now building a war plane? Why with all the secrecy around his armour would he notonlygive up the specs for the robots but also give a replica to a former Soviet agent? Why was he so easy to give up on his best friend Thor and side with everyone else in writing him off, when Tony has defended him in the past? All this strange behaviour, ever since he started to date the Black Widow. Mark my words, IF Stark is the traitor, he is but the Widow's pawn in a greater game!......

[i'm Spider-Man]

I'd appreciate it?:) :spidey:


yeah, but seriously, explain what for you. If i know what you want explained, i'll gladly give it a try.

[Dr Doom]

I think they mean the whole conspiracy

[i'm Spider-Man]

Could the big guy on the far left be Abomination? Emil Blonsky is Russian. Hmmm?:up:

y'know i'd been thinking and thinking, trying to remember a Russian bad guy who looks like Hulk and had pointy ears or horns...

CONGRATULATIONS! you win 1st Prize :D

If it is Emil, i'd love that... :)

[i'm Spider-Man]

Wow!

That pic got me so excited!Where did you get that?I'm so happy I picked up this title!


It's one of the January solicitations that was released today... www.comicscontinuum.com, www.marvel.com, www.newsarama.com to name but a few tend to carry these when they're released.

[GNR]

anyone know if there's an actual picture or panel featuring the hulk in the annual?i'm not getting it until friday after school.

[GNR]

anyone?

[TheSumOfGod]

Where is Thor's hammer and is there a chance we will see him back in action?

Since the Thor "super-tech gear" supposedly belonged to the European Super-Soldier Initiative, I'm guessing that Thor's evil half-brother Loki (who has fooled everyone into believing that he's the scientist who invented the hammer, the belt and the rest of the suit) has Thor's stuff locked away somewhere.

At the end of issue #3(the great trial issue),is that Banner who contacted Pym letting him know he's alive?Or was this someone else?If it was Banner,does this mean that Pym did something Fury and Co. were not aware of to help Bruce out?

Yes, that was Banner calling Pym, because Pym didn't give Banner the right kind of sedative so that he would wake up in time to become the Hulk and survive the nuclear explosion.

[TheSumOfGod]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/18/ultimates10.jpg

Jesus f***ing Christ!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

That's the cover of issue 10?! Wow, just... wow.

[TheSumOfGod]

I don't know what to think anymore... :confused:

[TheSumOfGod]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/18/ultimates10.jpg

I totally dig seeing Thor as a commie. :D

But seriously, that's f***ed up. :o

[TheSumOfGod]

Loki probably gave Thor's gear to a Russian super-soldier. It seems that Hydra or AIM has just OWNED S.H.I.E.L.D.! ;)

[Dr Doom]

Make it all one post

[Muze]

Left to Right: Abomination, Evil Thor?, Crimson Dynamo, Evil Cap?, ???, Black Widow

Abomination; i'm betting it's that Dr Brankin character. he's been involved in much of the behind the scenes stuff in the Ultimates. and he would have access to Banner's formula. that's not evil Thor. that's a russian supersoldier with Thor's magic 'armor' on imo. i can't remember the name of the guy but there was a russian superman type with hammer and sickle as his weapons; Vanguard i think it is. yeah, that's gotta be Crimson Dynamo, Red Guardian, and Black Widow. that girl behind Natasha is probably Darkstar. and i guess this would connect to the Annual somehow since Fury dissed some russian military official.

[GNR]

SumOfGod,did Pym purposely give him the wrong dosage?

[Dr Doom]

Yes, Fury told Pym that it was going to be his last assignment so he sabotaged it.

[gregtestagent]

So, didja guys figure out who the traitor is yet?

[GNR]

we're still a long way from that.

[SilverCenturion]

Yes, Fury told Pym that it was going to be his last assignment so he sabotaged it.Actually we don't know that it was Pym who sabotaged it. Could've been Fury or anyone else. Or it might not have been sabotaged at all.
Oh and as for it being a Russian superteam, I mean that's possible but I doubt that any Russian superteam nowadays would frequently use the colour red and the hammer/sycle (at least not a government sponsored superteam). The more likely option would be Millar ultimatizing a villian group as being extreme communist terrorists. But even that seems unlikely given Millar's stance as a socialist (as in, while I don't think the man is a communist, it seems that defaming politics to the far right are more his MO)

[i'm Spider-Man]

I don't know what to think anymore... :confused:

y'know what dude, I was just waiting for you to come back to this post, and of all the reactions i thought you might give that cover, that was the second one I thought of.

The first was,

OMG! :eek: :eek: :eek:

:D

[Muze]

Actually we don't know that it was Pym who sabotaged it. Could've been Fury or anyone else. Or it might not have been sabotaged at all.
Oh and as for it being a Russian superteam, I mean that's possible but I doubt that any Russian superteam nowadays would frequently use the colour red and the hammer/sycle (at least not a government sponsored superteam). The more likely option would be Millar ultimatizing a villian group as being extreme communist terrorists. But even that seems unlikely given Millar's stance as a socialist (as in, while I don't think the man is a communist, it seems that defaming politics to the far right are more his MO)

maybe the russians aren't "bad guys" per se. the attack on Hawkeye could have been retaliation for something they think the americans did. and all of it could really be Loki playing both sides/forcing a confrontation. i'm not yet sure what Natasha's role is in this though.

[Muze]

Yes, Fury told Pym that it was going to be his last assignment so he sabotaged it.

Pym looked surprised when Banner called him. i don't think it was him who messed with the dosage.

[Dr Doom]

Who said Fury messed with it?

[i'm Spider-Man]

Pym looked surprised when Banner called him. i don't think it was him who messed with the dosage.

presicely what I think. I don't think Pym's going to be such an egocentric idiot as to botch his last job for the largest security agency on Earth.

It somewhat tarnishes one's reputation...

[Dr Doom]

He was already outed as a wife-beater, how much more tarnished can it get.

[Muze]

He was already outed as a wife-beater, how much more tarnished can it get.

that question was answered in the Ultimate Defenders 1st appearance where a newspaper published pictures of his disproportionately small junk.

[i'm Spider-Man]

that question was answered in the Ultimate Defenders 1st appearance where a newspaper published pictures of his disproportionately small junk.

:D What does he care, he's got Valkyrie? Can anyone say "Scantily-clad-blonde"?

Thing is, I think Hank Pym inherently has a lot of professional pride. He loved the fact that he beat Banner to create new Super Soldiers (himself), and is mildly obsessive about his work, so I don't think he'd slip up on a simple anaesthetic.

[Dr Doom]

He didn't "slip up", Fury basically said you're fired but do this one last thing for me. He didn't care about the consequences/

[Muze]

:D What does he care, he's got Valkyrie? Can anyone say "Scantily-clad-blonde"?

Thing is, I think Hank Pym inherently has a lot of professional pride. He loved the fact that he beat Banner to create new Super Soldiers (himself), and is mildly obsessive about his work, so I don't think he'd slip up on a simple anaesthetic.

i don't think Pym slipped up. i think the Ultimates traitor did something to allow Banner to escape.

[ShadowBoxing]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/18/ultimates10.jpg

I totally dig seeing Thor as a commie. :D

But seriously, that's f***ed up. :o
The Ultimate Russian Super Soviets

Abomination, Perun, Black Widow, Crimson Dynamo, Darkstar, Red Guardian, probably Sputnik (in christ like position) is in their (The SS Vision, stolen from Hank Pym maybe) perhaps Ursa Major as well and probably Loki

[Nick Eastwood]

Do you think all of those characters are blacked out on purpose and will be revealed later (Obviously we know who most of them are)? Or do you think that's the actual cover.

[TheSumOfGod]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/18/ultimates10.jpg


OMG! :eek: :eek: :eek:


;)

[TheSumOfGod]

Do you think all of those characters are blacked out on purpose and will be revealed later (Obviously we know who most of them are)? Or do you think that's the actual cover.

I'm pretty sure that's the actual cover.

[The Question]

I don't think these guys are official Russian soldiers, but former KGB soldiers who became mercs or terrorists after the wall fell, and Natasha (who's probably the traitor) called in a favor from her old buddies.

[TheSumOfGod]

It seems obvious to me that they're either AIM or HYDRA.

[The Question]

Well, they're probably Hydra. AIM isn't technically a terrorist group. They're scientists who'll build you anything for anyone for the right price. They just work with terrorists alot.

[TheSumOfGod]

Well, they're probably Hydra. AIM isn't technically a terrorist group. They're scientists who'll build you anything for anyone for the right price. They just work with terrorists alot.

Also, a "Hydra" is a mythological serpent-like creature, just like "Jormungand, the Midgard Serpent", Loki's eternal ally and Thor's mortal enemy.

[The Question]

He's also Loki's son, interestingly enough.

[TheSumOfGod]

He's also Loki's son, interestingly enough.

Gods are weird. Why is it that when a God gives birth to a giant talking snake, it's perfectly normal, but when I do it, the Men In Black come looking for me. :mad:

[The Question]

You know, I just realized the paralels that could be drawn between this and Ragnarok. Nick Fury is the one eyed king, Thor is the thunder god, Cap is the hero Balder, who's downfall marked the coming of Ragnarok, etc. They could have isue ten play out like Ragnarok, with Cap picking up the peices at the end like Balder did with Asgard.

[TheSumOfGod]

You know, I just realized the paralels that could be drawn between this and Ragnarok. Nick Fury is the one eyed king, Thor is the thunder god, Cap is the hero Balder, who's downfall marked the coming of Ragnarok, etc. They could have isue ten play out like Ragnarok, with Cap picking up the peices at the end like Balder did with Asgard.

Yeah, and Iron Man is... Vulcanison? The Norse God of... Metal? I suck. :( ;)

[TheSumOfGod]

Issue 10 is only coming out JANUARY 18th, 2006. :(

"An unknown enemy with unimaginable power and an unstoppable force of will is at our shores... " Yeah, real specific. :rolleyes:

[TheSumOfGod]

Here's the whole thing (for issue 10):

"Despite all the globe-girdling surveillance information and awesome firepower of S.H.I.E.L.D. and its super-powered army- the ULTIMATES- the unthinkable has happened! Will hope rise from the ashes of defeat, or is this truly the end for the Ultimates?"

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/18/ultimates10.jpg

[Dr Doom]

2006!!!

Way to long

[TheSumOfGod]

2006!!!

Way to long

The NEXT one, issue 9, is coming out in November. It's issue 10 (cover above) that's coming out in January. It's officially bi-monthly now. Sigh. :(

[deemar325]

Here's the whole thing (for issue 10):

"Despite all the globe-girdling surveillance information and awesome firepower of S.H.I.E.L.D. and its super-powered army- the ULTIMATES- the unthinkable has happened! Will hope rise from the ashes of defeat, or is this truly the end for the Ultimates?"

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/18/ultimates10.jpg


I love Bryan Hitch's art but I'm getting really tired of this guys' lateness hell Marvel gave him a six Issue head start and he still can't get his **** together.

He need to take so pointers from Mark Bagley, that guy has a really strong work ethic. I think he grew up in a military family? that could explain it.

[Dr Doom]

They could be doing what the Ult Spider-Man Annual did with it's cover

[TheSumOfGod]

They could be doing what the Ult Spider-Man Annual did with it's cover

Possible, but the first cover of the Ultimates Annual was just Sam Jackson in an Uncle Sam suit, nothing special. THIS cover, however, is VERY special. Unless the "REAL" cover for issue 10 shows Thor peeling off his face to reveal his true identity: The RED SKULL! :D

[TheSumOfGod]

They could be doing what the Ult Spider-Man Annual did with it's cover

Oh, sorry, I misread, Ult SPIDER-MAN Annual, when they blacked out Kitty Pride, right? But I don't think they blacked out any of the characters on the cover of Ultimates issue 10, I think that's just the way they were drawn.

[XwolverineX]

It is going to end up being the widow afterall, poor poor Ironman.

[deemar325]

It is going to end up being the widow afterall, poor poor Ironman.


True, and so sad for Tony.

[i'm Spider-Man]

I think that is the final cover, and it's gonna be a mystery as to their precise identities until you read the issue itself.

The way the rest of the image is constructed, with the giant robots in near-silhouette too and the setting at dawn or dusk, a low-light time of day... seems to be the way it's constructed.

[Dr Doom]

Rethink the last part of your post

[Caliber]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/18/ultimates10.jpg


What if that big guy isn't Abombinatio but Hobgoblin? Who are all those people flying.

[Dr Doom]

Why would Hobgoblin be there?

He was said to be reappearing in USM

[i'm Spider-Man]

Rethink the last part of your post

uh...no.

[Dr Doom]

It doesnt make sense

[TheSumOfGod]

GAH! : pulling hair out:

[Dr Doom]

BAH! : pulling out hair:

[GNR]

Bimonthly makes GNR crazy.Bimonthly makes GNR crazy.Bimonthly makes GNR crazy.

Quick question comrades,is Ultimate Iron Man just a mini?Or is it going to be an ongoing series?

[TheSumOfGod]

Bimonthly makes GNR crazy.Bimonthly makes GNR crazy.Bimonthly makes GNR crazy.

Quick question comrades,is Ultimate Iron Man just a mini?Or is it going to be an ongoing series?

Just a mini, but a second mini is coming out next year.

[GNR]

Alright thanks.So currently no plans even after the 2nd mini?

[TheSumOfGod]

Alright thanks.So currently no plans even after the 2nd mini?

None that I, TheSumOfGod, know of.

[GNR]

Alright thanks!

[Caliber]

Why would Hobgoblin be there?

He was said to be reappearing in USM

I don't know. Maybe they freed him or convinced him to help. I don't think thats Abomination because I have a feeling they would introduce him in the Ult Hulk and Wolverine mini.

[TheSumOfGod]

I don't know. Maybe they freed him or convinced him to help. I don't think thats Abomination because I have a feeling they would introduce him in the Ult Hulk and Wolverine mini.

Well, personally, I'm pretty sure that that's Abomination, 'cause he looks EXACTLY like Abomination. Plus, The Ultimates is the ONLY Ultimate title featuring the Hulk right now, and the Hulk vs Wolvie mini is just gonna be Hulk vs Wolvie. Abomination working for HYDRA and bringing down SHIELD just makes perfect sense, and I hope Hulk returns by issue 11 or 12 to make him his b****.

[TheSumOfGod]

Bumpety bump-bump

[Dr Doom]

Wasnt there a promo cover for Ult Hulk own series?

[GNR]

Guys,was it ever determined who actually leaked the Hulk's identity to the public?

[Caliber]

Wasnt there a promo cover for Ult Hulk own series?

Where? When? I would love for Ult Hulk to have his own series.

[i'm Spider-Man]

Where? When? I would love for Ult Hulk to have his own series.

there's an Ultimate Wolvie vs. Hulk out early next year written bu the guy who writes Lost

[GNR]

Guys,was it ever determined who actually leaked the Hulk's identity to the public?

???

[GNR]

Someone please answer me.

[TheSumOfGod]

Guys,was it ever determined who actually leaked the Hulk's identity to the public?

No, it wasn't. Everyone blames Thor for it though, and Thor blamed Loki, until Loki told him that there was a traitor in the team and that HE (or SHE) was responsible for the leak.

[TheSumOfGod]

Wasnt there a promo cover for Ult Hulk own series?

Yeah, in Wizard magazine, like 2 years ago. Mark Millar was supposed to write it, and it was supposed to be the first Ultimate MAX series, and the cover showed Ult Hulk smashing some innocent people into pieces in a restaurant. No news since.

[TheSumOfGod]

I still think the traitor is Hawkeye.

[GNR]

Thanks as always SOG.

[Dr Doom]

I still think the traitor is Hawkeye.
He killed his own family and got shot in the head.

[TheSumOfGod]

He killed his own family and got shot in the head.

He had CLONES (created by HYDRA) of his family killed (either that or he's a son of a b**** who actually got rid of his wife and three kids), and we didn't see him get shot in the head, and SHIELD can't find his body. I figure he just put on a show with a fake Cap for Fury's secret cameras.

[Dr Doom]

Where the hell did Hydra come from, and clones?

Really grasping aren't ya?

[GNR]

This is going to be the longest week and a half ever.*Waits for Ultimates 9*

[TheSumOfGod]

This is going to be the longest week and a half ever.*Waits for Ultimates 9*

It's only coming out the 16th.

[TheSumOfGod]

Where the hell did Hydra come from, and clones?

Really grasping aren't ya?

Not really, since we know that the traitor is working for "some friends of mine", as Loki stated, those friends being most probably HYDRA. And I seriously doubt that Hawkeye would have agreed to his wife and three kids being killed, so I'm guessing they were probably clones. Remember, Millar said that the Ultimate Red Skull would be a part of the story, and on the cover of issue 10 we see the Abomination, the communist version of Thor, what seems to be Crimson Dynamo, a couple of HUGE Rocket Men and so forth. Clones aren't that far off.

[TheSumOfGod]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/18/ultimates10.jpg

See?

[i'm Spider-Man]

... see what?

[TheSumOfGod]

It was in relation to the post right before, in response to Dr Doom.

[GNR]

Not really, since we know that the traitor is working for "some friends of mine", as Loki stated, those friends being most probably HYDRA. And I seriously doubt that Hawkeye would have agreed to his wife and three kids being killed, so I'm guessing they were probably clones. Remember, Millar said that the Ultimate Red Skull would be a part of the story, and on the cover of issue 10 we see the Abomination, the communist version of Thor, what seems to be Crimson Dynamo, a couple of HUGE Rocket Men and so forth. Clones aren't that far off.

Dude,I had no idea Red Skull was going to be in this.Awesome.

[Dr Doom]

Ok?

[Caliber]

This is actually getting more interesting. I was getting disappointed with the story but New Avengers make this seem tolerable.

[TheSumOfGod]

The traitor: Galactus. Think about it. ;) :p

[Caliber]

The traitor: Galactus. Think about it. ;) :p

Yeah it makes so much sense since it be a hoax that he's just a big robot bug.

[Dr Doom]

Black Widow, come on people its so obvious.

[Nero_Ordin]

Black Widow, come on people its so obvious.

Well everyone thought it was Cap, then Hawkeye, I wish we knew already.

[Dr Doom]

I always thought it was Black Widow

[deemar325]

He had CLONES (created by HYDRA) of his family killed (either that or he's a son of a b**** who actually got rid of his wife and three kids), and we didn't see him get shot in the head, and SHIELD can't find his body. I figure he just put on a show with a fake Cap for Fury's secret cameras.


Dude you are a Idiot.

[Caliber]

It could Loki screwing with reality.

[GNR]

Images from Issue #9 are finally here!

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0511/02/index.htm

[GNR]

CC has it listed for Nov 23rd.On Marvel's site they have it set for Nov 16th.God,I hope it's the 16th!!!!

[Nick Eastwood]

Looking at that preview, I think SHIELD has created way too many super-soldier suits and rocketmen. That's just insane. I hope when Millar and Hitch end their run all of those guys get tossed, except for maybe one or two for pete's sake.

[Muze]

Looking at that preview, I think SHIELD has created way too many super-soldier suits and rocketmen. That's just insane. I hope when Millar and Hitch end their run all of those guys get tossed, except for maybe one or two for pete's sake.

i think they're going to get slaughtered. or their own powers are going to kill them. and i still think Dr Brankin's a sleeper-agent/villain.

[deemar325]

i think they're going to get slaughtered. or their own powers are going to kill them. and i still think Dr Brankin's a sleeper-agent/villain.

Muze, Dr.Brankin? did I miss something? please explain.

[Muze]

Muze, Dr.Brankin? did I miss something? please explain.

you haven't missed anything. it's just a wild guess on my part because a) Brankin doesn't exist in the 616- Universe b) he's involved in every facet of the Ultimates project and c) he hasn't done anything of note yet. smells like a traitor in waiting to me. me, i think he's the Abomination. think about it. the 616 Emil Blonsky was masquerading as a scientist at the same atomic research base as the Hulk.

[Dr Doom]

So do you think he is really Emil or that they chose a new guy to be Abomination.

[DBM]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Nov_previews/Ultimates09/Ultimates2_09Pre.htm

[Dr Doom]

Um, thanks?

[Caliber]

How come all those agents can fly?

[GNR]

How come all those agents can fly?


They're super-soldiers.

[Dr Doom]

They get their powers from their suits.

Have you read the Annual?

[deemar325]

you haven't missed anything. it's just a wild guess on my part because a) Brankin doesn't exist in the 616- Universe b) he's involved in every facet of the Ultimates project and c) he hasn't done anything of note yet. smells like a traitor in waiting to me. me, i think he's the Abomination. think about it. the 616 Emil Blonsky was masquerading as a scientist at the same atomic research base as the Hulk.


Aw..OK I see were your going with that.:up:

[Caliber]

They get their powers from their suits.

Have you read the Annual?

No what can they do?

[Dr Doom]

Basically, there are alot of Iron Men, Quicksilvers, and other clones of the Ultimates.

[Caliber]

Basically, there are alot of Iron Men, Quicksilvers, and other clones of the Ultimates.

Clones? I thought they were trying to replicate the Ultimates through technology. So Hydra come out?

[Dr Doom]

No clones, they made high tech suits that simulate their powers.

[i'm Spider-Man]

so what's the point in bothering with the Ultimates themselves, then...

[Dr Doom]

Thats the point

[Caliber]

No clones, they made high tech suits that simulate their powers.

Ok I need to read the annuals. So theres an army of Cap out there?

[i'm Spider-Man]

technically speaking... yeah. Read issue 8, they feature quite prominently. I havent read the annual myself.

[Wolverazio]

Ok I need to read the annuals. So theres an army of Cap out there?

According to the annual, Capt. is the one that they want to perfectly duplicate (super soldier serum, not some crappy suit). However, he is the one that they continually fail with.

They wonder why he is the only one the serum has never killed (besides Banner, of course, but he mixed it anyway).

[Dr Doom]

They had hundreds of test subjects, but only one stayed alive.

Unfortunately, he later died from an adrenaline surge. :(

[Muze]

So do you think he is really Emil or that they chose a new guy to be Abomination.

honestly, i don't know. i'd prefer that he be Ultimate Emil Blonsky. but if they want to rename the Abomination, that's their business.

[rscal]

maybe the wasp? she is a mutant maybe working for magneto or just pissed off at the government that built sentinals. and she is manipulating hank pym and cap. or maybe betsy ross saw a way to get out of the whole obsession thing that banner has with her.

[rscal]

or maybe trhe red skull masquearading as cap like he has done in 616

[rscal]

so the whole traitor thing is because of someone leaked out about banner and his connection with the ultimates? i haven't really read the second series of ultimates . loved the first. ultimate cap is cool

[Dr Doom]

Spam is cool.

[GNR]

I'm looking forward to Ultimate Red Skull.

[Dr Doom]

I thought he was already in it