Greg land

[GoldenAgeHero]

hello everyone,


i was wondering if you guys know whats uop with this artist I've heard he's a fake and photoshop images. what do you guys believe? either way i still enjoy his art in UFF.

[KingOfDreams]

I haven't heard that he's a fake. His art is amazing I think.

[ShadowBoxing]

He is good...but yes all his work is photoshopped to make it look that "realistic"

[Assassin]

does he draw it then color it in photoshop?

[roach]

he's a tracer

[Cyclops]

Almost all comicbook artwork is Photoshopped these days. It's how they color them.

Greg Land's work looks as realistic as it does also because he uses alot of photo references.

[cqb101]

How does using photoshop to make his art look more realistic make him a fake? If anything I'd say it makes him more talented; being able to use different tools to make his art the best it can be.

[Assassin]

yo mean most of Marvels books are photoshoped...

[Elijya]

yeah, almost every mainstream book on the stands uses computers in one way or another to get their look.

James Jean does, and he's incredible

[GNR]

I don't see anything wrong with photoshoping or adding comp graphics to comics,it only adds to the medium.They've been doing it for some time now and I don't really consider it "cheating" since the creators simply want a book to look as great as can be,and I see nothing wrong with that.

About Land,he's amazing.Nuff said.

[Dr Doom]

I LIKE GREG LAND'S WORK MORE THAN ALEX ROSS'

[White_Howling]

he's a tracer

is he? damn..

[GNR]

is he? damn..

He was joking.

[gildea]

Well far be it from me to bad mouth anyone but greg land IS A PHOTOSHOP TRACER!

Exhibit a:


exhibit b:

edited as pics stopped showing

(and look at the pics of mags and the king of spain from HOM for more)

It doesn't really bother me though if the end result looks good but it could cause marvel legal trouble.

[Elijya]

hehe, that's funny looking

[iloveclones]

I LIKE GREG LAND'S WORK MORE THAN ALEX ROSS'

I can get on board with that. I've said many times that I don't like photo-referencing being leaned on so heavily, but I don't mind it so much with his work (except for Johnny's hair. I mean, c'mon, even Namor noticed!)

[Mara Jane]

He does great art (I can't see those images, gildea), but my only bone of contention with him is that he uses the same model for every woman. Jean Grey looks like Emma Frost, who looks like Sue Storm. It was the same when he worked for CrossGen. All those women looked like Jean, Emma, and Sue, too.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Well far be it from me to bad mouth anyone but greg land IS A PHOTOSHOP TRACER!

Exhibit a:
http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/hmmmmm4kt.gif

exhibit b:
http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/reedtad2kl.gif

(and look at the pics of mags and the king of spain from HOM for more)

It doesn't really bother me though if the end result looks good but it could cause marvel legal trouble.

thats not greg lands art, its manke's.

[gildea]

eeek sorry ok the images are from this edition of LITG
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg&article=2214
(just click on the links under swipe file)

I'll edit my previous posts so hopefully the images will come back.

[GoldenAgeHero]

eeek sorry ok the images are from this edition of LITG
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg&article=2214
(just click on the links under swipe file)

I'll edit my previous posts so hopefully the images will come back.


im sorry but i see no similarities between UFF magneto and brad pitt nor does topher grace look anything like UFF mr. fantastic.

[iloveclones]

I don't know how you could look at those and NOT think that they're traced/referenced/photoshopped.

Outside of copyright considerations, it doesn't really matter to me. My only problem with doing that sort of thing is that I think it severely limits storytelling options. For talking head scenes, it doesn't make much of a difference. But for any kind of action, even simple moving, you need to use a different visual vocabulary than just copying what we do in real life.

[Assassin]

Greg land actually got me to buy my first FF comic a few weeks ago, ultimate Namor is bad ass too.

[Roughneck]

He does great art (I can't see those images, gildea), but my only bone of contention with him is that he uses the same model for every woman. Jean Grey looks like Emma Frost, who looks like Sue Storm. It was the same when he worked for CrossGen. All those women looked like Jean, Emma, and Sue, too.


I know, they all look like Faith Hill IMO. Not a bad thing, but Some diversity would be nice.

http://avigreen.somee.com/arwynblastingwithbow.jpghttp://www.tixx.com/cover.jpg

[Roughneck]

Either way the mans art is nothing short of Fantastic.

[Sparta*]

I'm going to get a ceizure looking at your avatar Roughneck

[Cyclops]

I have an old issue of Wizard, back when they used to have artists like Mike Mignola, Greg Capullo and Tom Derenick instruct readers on various aspects of artwork.

Mignola instructed on lighting, Capullo on facial expressions, Derenick on perspective, and... you guessed it, Greg Land did one on photo-referencing. It's not so far out of the question for a guy to base his drawings on photographs without tracing them.

[Killgore]

Land's work is fantastic. What do you mean he's a fake? What is real? All realistic artists use photo references. What you call "tracing" others call "light-boxing". It's been done for centuries. There's evidence to support the claim that Da Vinci and Michelangelo used camera obsuras (an early device similar to a projector) and other optical tricks to "trace" the human form. One of the greatest Dutch artists, Vermeer, was unabashed about his use of a camera obscura. As was Van Eyck, a Dutch Renaissance painter that was one of the earliest realist painters. Even Norman Rockwell used a light box to project photographs which he traced onto a canvas. Does that make it inferior? Heck no! What matters is the product not the process.

If you don't understand or are ignorant of the tools of art, don't criticize those that do what you cannot.

[Elijya]

thats not greg lands art, its manke's.
no, it is GReg Land. It's from the Crossover arc of Ultimate Fantastic Four

[Elijya]

im sorry but i see no similarities between UFF magneto and brad pitt nor does topher grace look anything like UFF mr. fantastic.
yeah, Magneto is just positioned EXACTLY like brad pitt was in troy through sheer coincidence :rolleyes:

[Elijya]

Land's work is fantastic. What do you mean he's a fake? What is real? All realistic artists use photo references. What you call "tracing" others call "light-boxing". It's been done for centuries. There's evidence to support the claim that Da Vinci and Michelangelo used camera obsuras (an early device similar to a projector) and other optical tricks to "trace" the human form. One of the greatest Dutch artists, Vermeer, was unabashed about his use of a camera obscura. As was Van Eyck, a Dutch Renaissance painter that was one of the earliest realist painters. Even Norman Rockwell used a light box to project photographs which he traced onto a canvas. Does that make it inferior? Heck no! What matters is the product not the process.

If you don't understand or are ignorant of the tools of art, don't criticize those that do what you cannot.
as was mentioned in the LITG column, this thing has gotten people into trouble before (Dr. Stranbge #15 with Amy Grant's face), and is not always so blameless an act as you're making it out to be

[gildea]

im sorry but i see no similarities between UFF magneto and brad pitt nor does topher grace look anything like UFF mr. fantastic.


I'm asuming that you didn't see the images i posted before they stopped showing (try editing you'r posts to remove the images and they may come back in a few days).

They were definetly traced in photoshop or a program of that ilk as the proportions and positioning is identical and beyond what a human can accomplish free hand from reference.

[GoldenAgeHero]

yeah, Magneto is just positioned EXACTLY like brad pitt was in troy through sheer coincidence :rolleyes:

keyword is positioned, but they dont look the same(facially). so i suggest you roll your eyes at yourself.

[GoldenAgeHero]

no, it is GReg Land. It's from the Crossover arc of Ultimate Fantastic Four

no im referring to the magneto cover that was copied from the king of spain, it was mayhew's art. sorry i referred to mahnke.

[iloveclones]

keyword is positioned, but they dont look the same(facially). so i suggest you roll your eyes at yourself.

You are in serious denial. Having no law degree, I would feel comfortable walking into any court with that evidence and consider it a slam dunk.

[GoldenAgeHero]

You are in serious denial. Having no law degree, I would feel comfortable walking into any court with that evidence and consider it a slam dunk.

i guess you should get your law degree, im not saying he doesnt trace, but i dont see the similar facial expressions with the UFF pics to topher grace and magneto to brad pitt.

[Elijya]

Look, I'm not even trying to insult you, but if you don't see the similarity, how those images were so obviously copied from the othes, then..you're blind, it's as simple as that

[Elijya]

I'm sorry, but aren't you the guy who started the thread saying you'd heard Greg Land was a faker in one way or another, then somebody shows some evidence and you completely dismiss it when everyone else here says we see it?

[ShadowBoxing]

Greg Land pencil
http://www.bobmcleod.com/nwa1p38.gif

[GoldenAgeHero]

Greg Land pencil
http://www.bobmcleod.com/nwa1p38.gif

is this nightwing, if so which issue?

[Killgore]

Greg Land pencil
http://www.bobmcleod.com/nwa1p38.gifFunny, looks like inks to me. Uh, what's your point?

[gildea]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c192/gildea/reedtad2kl.gif

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c192/gildea/bradmags.gif


Ok the images are back for those that didn't see them.

There is NO way this isn't a lightbox or more likely a photoedit job that has been done by land.

[Harlekin]

What movie/show is the first pic from?

[Elijya]

What movie/show is the first pic from?
http://www.impawards.com/2004/posters/win_a_date_with_tad_hamilton.jpg

[Harlekin]

Meh, don't know about that one. That could easily be coincedence, but the Troy thing... damn.

[GNR]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c192/gildea/reedtad2kl.gif

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c192/gildea/bradmags.gif


Ok the images are back for those that didn't see them.

There is NO way this isn't a lightbox or more likely a photoedit job that has been done by land.


Holy crap!Good lookin' out.

Anyone else notice the use of actual photos of people and cars in the background of the fight with Namor in 25 and 26?

[Elijya]

Meh, don't know about that one. That could easily be coincedence,
dude, come on, no it's not....

[GNR]

This is a far out idea I had,this could be Marvel secretly "testing" if you will the fans' reactions to get an idea of what we're going to think about the "art" in Millar's "1985" project.Almost as a secret test screening the audience isn't aware of.

[GNR]

Well at least we know Topher would make a kickass Reed when they make an Ultimate FF movie.

[GNR]

I LIKE GREG LAND'S WORK MORE THAN ALEX ROSS'

Alex Ross is known for using photos and models when doing his art work.

[Elijya]

yeah, but Alex uses photos he takes himself

[Harlekin]

dude, come on, no it's not....
I dunno know, the facial expression does change a bit. It's a little less obvious than the Troy one to me anyway.

[Killgore]

yeah, but Alex uses photos he takes himselfNot all of them. Some of his props, backgrounds, landsacpes, city scapes and even some of his figures are swiped photography.

[Elijya]

::shrug:: I never said using photo reference was bad, I'm just acknowledging it

[gildea]

Not all of them. Some of his props, backgrounds, landsacpes, city scapes and even some of his figures are swiped photography.

ross paints the pictures.

land traces the pictures.

thats the distinction.

(though i may be wrong do you have anything like the pics posted daming ross like land??)

[Dr Doom]

Alex Ross is known for using photos and models when doing his art work.
NO ****, WHAT'S YOUR POINT.

[JewishHobbit]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/nov05/ULTFF025_cov_col.jpg

Ultimate Namor is Shane West :)

http://www.my-wc.com/celebs/shane_west/top.jpg

[Dr Doom]

ACTUALLY NO, THERE IS A PICTURE WITH SOME FAMOUS MODEL STANDING WITH A GUY IN THAT EXACT SAME POSE.

[GNR]

NO ****, WHAT'S YOUR POINT.

Chill out Mr. "special font everytime I post".

[Dr Doom]

YOU HAVE NO POINT, SO YOU COMMENT ON MY FONT

[JewishHobbit]

ACTUALLY NO, THERE IS A PICTURE WITH SOME FAMOUS MODEL STANDING WITH A GUY IN THAT EXACT SAME POSE.

Eh, I still say Shane West. I actually know who he is :)

[Killgore]

ACTUALLY NO, THERE IS A PICTURE WITH SOME FAMOUS MODEL STANDING WITH A GUY IN THAT EXACT SAME POSE. Can you post the picture?

[JewishHobbit]

ACTUALLY NO, THERE IS A PICTURE WITH SOME FAMOUS MODEL STANDING WITH A GUY IN THAT EXACT SAME POSE.

The more I look at it, the more I doubt,.. at least in the face. It's the same down to the smirking mouth, the shape of eyebrows, the cricked nose,.. the necklace even seems to be going the same route as Shane's colar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/ULTFF025_cov_col.jpg

[WOLVERINE25TH]

So WHAT. Would you rather crappy, unrealistic art or some good art?

Geeze, every ****ing little thing there needs to be a big thing over.

[Killgore]

So WHAT. Would you rather crappy, unrealistic art or some good art?

Geeze, every ****ing little thing there needs to be a big thing over.Caught you OOC!:D

But I agree with you. I'd like to see any of the haters trace as well.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Actually I can't do "in'" at th' end of a curse 'cause it won't get censored out.

[Killgore]

Wolverine would never say "Geeze":D

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Oh, that. Well, read th' sig...ain't tryin' to be Wolverine. Just havin' fun my own way.

[Killgore]

Just havin' fun my own way.So am I.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Alrighty then.

[iloveclones]

So WHAT. Would you rather crappy, unrealistic art or some good art?
.

I would rather art that can tell a story. I don't care if it's photos or stick-figures.

I don't care if Land traces, as long as he's picking poses that lend themselves to the "movement" between panels, and not just picking "cool poses". I actually think Land does a decent job at it. I don't think Ross does all the time (despite how gorgeous they look. And ironically, I don't think Ross traces, but uses "actors" as photo-reference, if you can see the difference)

[WOLVERINE25TH]

That he does. His model fer Kingdom Come Supes he paid to shave his head to become Earth X Cap.

[JewishHobbit]

So WHAT. Would you rather crappy, unrealistic art or some good art?

Geeze, every ****ing little thing there needs to be a big thing over.

Oh I don't care. Greg Land's my favorate artist. I just think it's fun to try and figure out who certain people are. It made me smile when I realized that Sean Connery was in Sojourn :)

[JewishHobbit]

That he does. His model fer Kingdom Come Supes he paid to shave his head to become Earth X Cap.

Heh,.. I always thought that Earth X Cap looked a lot like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable.

[celldog]

The more I look at it, the more I doubt,.. at least in the face. It's the same down to the smirking mouth, the shape of eyebrows, the cricked nose,.. the necklace even seems to be going the same route as Shane's colar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/ULTFF025_cov_col.jpg


Wow!!

[Killgore]

I don't think Ross does all the time (despite how gorgeous they look. And ironically, I don't think Ross traces, but uses "actors" as photo-reference, if you can see the difference)As an artist myself, it is splitting hairs. My own personal opinion though is that Ross' sequential art is lacking, not in craft but in visual narration, and Land is a better storyteller.

[iloveclones]

The only reason that I make that difference, Killgore, is because tracing, by it's definition, leaves no room for interpretation, or alteration (or very little). So you basically have to find a picture of a pose that you have in mind for the story. Whereas what AR does, at least gives him some amount of latitude, both in posing his own models, and then in drawing them. Now whether he chooses to use that additional "freedom", or uses it well, is up to him. And by the way, I absolutely agree with you on the visual narration criticisms, in both cases. In fact, it's really my only gripe about Ross. (And if you let me keep babbling like this, there will be hordes of people telling me what an idiot I am because of Marvels and Kingdom Come.)

[JewishHobbit]

The only reason that I make that difference, Killgore, is because tracing, by it's definition, leaves no room for interpretation, or alteration (or very little). So you basically have to find a picture of a pose that you have in mind for the story. Whereas what AR does, at least gives him some amount of latitude, both in posing his own models, and then in drawing them. Now whether he chooses to use that additional "freedom", or uses it well, is up to him. And by the way, I absolutely agree with you on the visual narration criticisms, in both cases. In fact, it's really my only gripe about Ross. (And if you let me keep babbling like this, there will be hordes of people telling me what an idiot I am because of Marvels and Kingdom Come.)

As much as I loved Marvels (not a big fan of kingdom come), I agree with you both.

[Elijya]

yeah, I'm on your side, ilc

[WOLVERINE25TH]

As long as it still works fer th' stories he's tryin' to tell, he could be usin' Spongebob Squarepants fer reference an' I wouldn't give a ****.

[gildea]

I am inclined to agree actually.

As long as it works (and he doesn't run into legal trouble) then fine go with it.

[Arkady Rossovich]

hello everyone,


i was wondering if you guys know whats uop with this artist I've heard he's a fake and photoshop images. what do you guys believe? either way i still enjoy his art in UFF.

Actually..i did hear something like that before,in other forums.I think his art is real,he uses real life women as models,and i think he uses paint brushes intead of pencils for his cover art.

[Dr Doom]

EVEN IF HE DOES COPY, AT LEAST HE DOES IT BETTER THAN LIEFELD

[Dope Nose]

here are few more Greg Land swipes, though does it count if you're swiping your own work? I've also included the previously posted Reed/Topher and Magneto/Pitt gifs, just for fun.

Sue Storm
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/963/land1hp3.jpg

Kitty Pride
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7106/land2br5.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5458/land3iq1.jpg

Jean Grey or Black Canary?
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1596/jeangreyblackcanaryml4.gif

Reed Richards or Topher Grace?
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9538/reedrichardstophergracehy0.gif

[Dope Nose]

Magneto or Brad Pitt from Troy?
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/3609/bradpittmagnetotz6.gif

Sue Storm or Jessica Alba?
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5018/suestormjessicaalbacu9.jpg

Hyperion or Doctor Spectrum?
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4634/hyperiondocspectrumqg6.jpg

take a look at Giant Man on this John Cassady cover
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/377/ultimatesix19ewdb6.jpg

and now Greg Land's Captain America
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1963/ultpow001covcolvo1lr6.jpg

[PWN3R]

He also used that same Cap face in Ultimate Power #3 near the end.

I mean the guy's art looks good, but he clearly has some questionable methods. I really don't care since my opinion isn't going to change anything.

[Eros]

I do agree, Land does use some questionble methods.Hes doing what he must do to get ahead in his profession, i can't fault him for that.

[Havok83]

Land's art on Ult-FF was brilliant. That run with Millar was the absolute best

[Kevin]

I don't care how he does it, but his work it beautiful. Greg Land's art is better than Alex Ross' any day, to me.

[BrianWilly]

I think it's sickening.

The amount of tracing that he's done by now...I'm mean, he even traces his own work. One or two or even three instances is maybe excusable; we've all been under deadlines and we know how the time crunch can be. But an entire artistic work ethic based off of plagiarism, the idea that he's building his career on this...that is completely fcking disgusting, no matter how "beautiful" it ends up looking. I say that as a hobby artist myself.

What's even more sad is that I've seen some of his old works; he's completely fine as an artist even without the tracing. Considering that he's actually a good artist, there's just no excuse for this.

[Assassin]

I don't care how he does it, but his work it beautiful. Greg Land's art is better than Alex Ross' any day, to me.

Why? Alex Ross is talented, any guy that has a few years experiance with photoshop can do what land does.

[Assassin]

I agree with willy, i didnt mind it at first, but this **** is just plain wrong.

[UK_Stu]

I think it's sickening.

The amount of tracing that he's done by now...I'm mean, he even traces his own work. One or two or even three instances is maybe excusable; we've all been under deadlines and we know how the time crunch can be. But an entire artistic work ethic based off of plagiarism, the idea that he's building his career on this...that is completely fcking disgusting, no matter how "beautiful" it ends up looking. I say that as a hobby artist myself.

What's even more sad is that I've seen some of his old works; he's completely fine as an artist even without the tracing. Considering that he's actually a good artist, there's just no excuse for this.


I agree entirely. Greg Land is a great artist, just have a look at some of his 'original' work. But he just seems lazy and lots of his stuff is blatently traced or copied. I don't mind my characters taking on the similarities of real people either (like Samual L Jackson/NIck Fury in the Ultimates), but not the exact poses as well (See the Black Widow/Kate Beckinsale)

[Doc Destruction]

I don't care how he does it, but his work it beautiful. Greg Land's art is better than Alex Ross' any day, to me.

I cry for the youth of today.

Ross is brilliant. Land is a tracing hack. The fact that he can draw feet makes him one level above Liefield and that ain't saying much.

[Harlekin]

That's not true Doc. He's a tracing hack, but in the end he can still draw. His original art is good stuff.

[Assassin]

But not as good, or better than Ross..Correct?

[Doc Destruction]

That's not true Doc. He's a tracing hack, but in the end he can still draw. His original art is good stuff.

Then he should do that then. Lazy bastard!

[Savage]

I think it's sickening.

The amount of tracing that he's done by now...I'm mean, he even traces his own work. One or two or even three instances is maybe excusable; we've all been under deadlines and we know how the time crunch can be. But an entire artistic work ethic based off of plagiarism, the idea that he's building his career on this...that is completely fcking disgusting, no matter how "beautiful" it ends up looking. I say that as a hobby artist myself.

What's even more sad is that I've seen some of his old works; he's completely fine as an artist even without the tracing. Considering that he's actually a good artist, there's just no excuse for this.

Sure there is. Improving his art. People like it and that's what matters. Hell, I don't even look for the name of the artist or writer unless I really enjoyed their work (so I can pick up more) or really didn't (so I can avoid them).

[Darthphere]

I cry for the youth of today.

Ross is brilliant. Land is a tracing hack. The fact that he can draw feet makes him one level above Liefield and that ain't saying much.

Liefled draws feet now too.:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[Anubis]

Don't care how he does it, as long as the end result is stuff like this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/Marvel%20II/Uffnamor7.jpg

[Darthphere]

Good God, Millar and Land's UFF run was glorious, by far my favorite Ultimate title run ever, and thats saying a lot.

[Kevin]

Why? Alex Ross is talented, any guy that has a few years experiance with photoshop can do what land does.
I'm not knocking Ross, I just don't like his work as Much. I also Like Greg Horn More than Ross.

[Kevin]

Don't care how he does it, as long as the end result is stuff like this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/Marvel%20II/Uffnamor7.jpg
:up:

[Darthphere]

Someone have any of Land's pencil work?

[Kevin]

Good God, Millar and Land's UFF run was glorious, by far my favorite Ultimate title run ever, and thats saying a lot.
:up:

[Kool-Aid]

Heh, I've seen Cassidy swap things and Land isn't the only one I've seen draw the same face.:rolleyes:

[BrianWilly]

Yes, but he's the only one that does it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over again. And then adds porn (http://img.waffleimages.com/84d449648057a732bf9ac0a301f3544ac5f0658b/1165570470699.jpg).

Don't be fooled. Land is becoming a joke in the industry.

Someone have any of Land's pencil work?
http://hometown.aol.com/clownfacex/images/landbopbatgirl1-14.jpg

[Darthphere]

Beautiful stuff.

[Darthphere]

OMG! Hitch does it too!:wow:

http://www.jimmacq.com/savingprivateCap.gif

[Eros]

http://http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/index.php


go to this site, and look up Greg land, if you want to see more of his work.

[BrianWilly]

Ugh, there goes my illusions. At least Hitch can maybe use the excuse that it's a reference -- not to mention one that is pretty appropriate for the situation at hand -- and not an outright trace, since the two people on the right look nothing like each other in the two pics. But it is kinda annoying.

It's just that I come from manga background, and I've seen those damned crazy ninjas produce truckloads upon truckloads of photorealistic work on a weekly basis, all original, all gorgeous.

I'll grant that the original pictures that Land gets his traces from...those are beautiful. I mean, look at that Namor. That is one badass WWF wrestler. And Johnny Storm? Gay porn hasn't looked so flaming since the seventies.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Photorealistic Japanese manga art?

Apparently I've been living under a rock somewhere.

[Darthphere]

I must ask where all this photorealisitc manga work you speak of is.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Indeed.

[BrianWilly]

Allow me to introduce you two to Slam Dunk (http://downloads.thespectrum.net/slam_dunk/sd_vol20/). The single most popular sports comic of all time. It starts off mildly cartoony (but still realistic) and eventually becomes more and more photorealistic and detailed. The anime, while pretty-looking as well, doesn't do the original manga justice. If you ever want to see playing basketball (http://downloads.thespectrum.net/slam_dunk/sd_vol20/SDv20ch172-p035.jpg) look and feel like the invasion of Normandy (http://downloads.thespectrum.net/slam_dunk/sd_vol21/SDv21ch181-p028-029.jpg), check out this series.[/pimp]

[LouFerignoDemon]

While it is different, I wouldn't call that photorealistic. Or at least, not what I was led to believe. But then again, I started off with high expectations.

[Darthphere]

Looks like every other manga i've ever seen.

[BrianWilly]

You two just reminded me why I hate you:mad:.

[Anubis]

Meh, I'd rather take Land over that stuff.

[LouFerignoDemon]

You two just reminded me why I hate you:mad:.


I don't hate you, you're part of my 8. =/

[BrianWilly]

...is that a paying position...?

[LouFerignoDemon]

No. It's the eight members of the Hype I consider for certain possibilities.

[BrianWilly]

Oh.

Like money?

[LouFerignoDemon]

It's a secret. :D

[Darthphere]

Is it sex?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Nope. But it is a ranking I actually consider when I do things around here.

A'sides. If it were, why would you expect him to be in it? O.o

[Anubis]

Is it kidnapping and torcher?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Nope. Though some may consider it that in a way.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'll only say that it may eventually prove to be fruitful for any one of the eight.

[Anubis]

sounds......kinky.

[BrianWilly]

I couldn't stand torcher.

Unless it involved money. Or sex. But mostly money.

[LouFerignoDemon]

It's anything but kinky. Well, I might find it that way, I guess. But then again, I'm odd.

I don't know. Sometimes I help some of the eight out with financial stuff, depends on my relationship with them.

[PhotoJones]

taken from wikipedia:

"Further criticisms of Land's work include the fact that he endlessly repeats the same facial expressions for the same characters. For example, in Land's run on Ultimate Fantastic Four the same, clearly traced or copied, expression for the Human Torch has been used over 7 times. Whilst choosing to work in this way is clearly effective, it is nonetheless widely considered not only cheap, lazy and insulting to the actual artists employed by Marvel, but also dangerous to the entire medium at a time when comics are going through a renaissance of sorts in popular culture. Land claims that he does Google searches for references, but that has never done any digital manipulations, and doesn't have the computer skills to perform them."

no matter how you feel about wikipedia, this pretty much sums it up.

[Darthphere]

Land does it old school, light box tracing *****es!

[PhotoJones]

Land does it old school, light box tracing *****es!

i used to trace comic books with my lightbox when i was 9.

[Darthphere]

i used to trace comic books with my lightbox when i was 9.

Thats old skool son!

[Assassin]

i had a light box with power rangers on the handle. I have no idea why.

[Anubis]

I don't even know what a light box is.....

[Darthphere]

I don't even know what a light box is.....

Pretty much, you remember in school the prjector your teacher would use and write crap on it, well that, without the projection.

[K.B.]

It's one thing to use references and al lthat but Land flat out goes to far. He even stole a spider-man pic for the cover to Ulitmate Power 1 from Travis Charest,causing Marvel to crack down on photo refrences.
Also I think it's kinda sad that artists can just trace pictuers (which honestly takes no work at all) while other artists who actually have talent and can draw stuff from they're heads get passed by.

[Eros]

It's one thing to use references and al lthat but Land flat out goes to far. He even stole a spider-man pic for the cover to Ulitmate Power 1 from Travis Charest,causing Marvel to crack down on photo refrences.
Also I think it's kinda sad that artists can just trace pictuers (which honestly takes no work at all) while other artists who actually have talent and can draw stuff from they're heads get passed by.

I agree.

[Killgore]

There's a lot of uninformed, ignorant BS in this thread...

If tracing takes no work at all, then quid pro quo. Let's see you "trace" something as well as Land.

[Harlekin]

Actually, if I recall correctly from a thread on this subject before, someone basically aped the process and all that was left that needed doing was coloring and a little manipulation on the clothes.

Either way, I just read Legends of the DC Universe #7-9, featuring the first team-up of Green Lantern and Green Arrow as drawn by Greg Land. That was some really gorgeous art and it was actually better than what he's doing now. Very crisp, clean, good art. I'll post some scans tomorrow.

[Kevin]

Actually, if I recall correctly from a thread on this subject before, someone basically aped the process and all that was left that needed doing was coloring and a little manipulation on the clothes.

Either way, I just read Legends of the DC Universe #7-9, featuring the first team-up of Green Lantern and Green Arrow as drawn by Greg Land. That was some really gorgeous art and it was actually better than what he's doing now. Very crisp, clean, good art. I'll post some scans tomorrow.
I would love to see some of those scans. Can't wait.

[Anubis]

I remember that thread. I posted a pick and told somebody to do what Land does with it, if it's so easy. All they did was put it in black and white. I'm still not convinced it's as easy as people seem to think it is.

I prefer to think of it this way, if a collage is considered an except able form of art, then so is what Land does.

[Darthphere]

Wasnt that Photojones who did that?

[Killgore]

I remember that thread. I posted a pick and told somebody to do what Land does with it, if it's so easy. All they did was put it in black and white. I'm still not convinced it's as easy as people seem to think it is.

I prefer to think of it this way, if a collage is considered an except able form of art, then so is what Land does.

:up: :up: I'd like to see that thread if you can find a link to it.

Those who think less of Land because he uses a light table know little about art or how artists work.

[Anubis]

Yeah, I think so. I was like, yeah, and? So you took the color out. I coulda done that. How do you go from a black and white picture of a playmate, to Land's UFF quality pics? That's what I wanted to see, and I didn't get that. Until I see somebody come in and actually do something just like Greg Land, I'm gonna go ahead and continue to say he's a great artist. Cuz I aint seen nobody else do the same thing.

[Killgore]

http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/169/LOMMANTHING.jpg
http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/169/witchblade84.jpg
http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/169/LEGIONWERE001_cov.jpg

Trace or not, these are phenomenal. I think that he uses a grease pencil to soften out the dark edges of the inks. He is very technically skilled, and doesn't deserve this banter from you obviously envious, untalented, uninformed fanboys.

[Darthphere]

Yeah, I think so. I was like, yeah, and? So you took the color out. I coulda done that. How do you go from a black and white picture of a playmate, to Land's UFF quality pics? That's what I wanted to see, and I didn't get that. Until I see somebody come in and actually do something just like Greg Land, I'm gonna go ahead and continue to say he's a great artist. Cuz I aint seen nobody else do the same thing.

I think its beautiful art, I don't mind it. If yo're that offended by it, stop buying his art and send a message.

[Anubis]

Exactly.

[Darthphere]

Exactly.

Just like I stopped buying Alex Ross stuff until he does soemthign fresh and new like Uncle Sam, ok I got it, you can draw the Superfriends.:o

[Assassin]

You dont buy justice?

[Darthphere]

Nope.

[Assassin]

I think its beautiful art, I don't mind it. If yo're that offended by it, stop buying his art and send a message.

I liked it, and it is ART because anything can be considered art, but its not as good as when he first started. It's gotten old. It doesn't appeal to me like it did during Th UFF run.

[deemar325]

Justice is pretty good Darth.

Well I guess you can attribute it to someone else doing the pencils while Ross paints it.

[Assassin]

Nope.

Thats retarded.

[Anubis]

Nope.

You should, first of all, he's not drawing it, he's painting it. Second, it f**king rocks!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/just_cv9.jpg

[Assassin]

I havent read them yet, I want to do it all at once, but I skim through them so i kinda have an idea of whats going on, explain the bad ass Suits they wore in the last issue?

[Darthphere]

You should, first of all, he's not drawing it, he's painting it. Second, it f**king rocks!

I'm waiting on the trade for this one actually.

[deemar325]

There's a lot of uninformed, ignorant BS in this thread...

If tracing takes no work at all, then quid pro quo. Let's see you "trace" something as well as Land.


:whatever:

It's not that he doesn't have artistic ability it's that he's too lazy,uninspired..whatever to draw sh-t freehand.

Reference is ok alot of artist use it, but theres a difference from looking at something and drawing it with your own god given talent then laying a thin layer of paper on top of another finished picture and tracing.

Example:

I draw a freehand picture of the Eiffel Tower and add my own flavor to it.

While a guy like Greg Land instead traces a carbon copy of the Tower from a post card he bought.

It takes very little skill or Imagination, hell even Tim Brad Street has the talent to make his referenced art dynamic and add to the fact he actually hires models and props creating a set and what not to create the image he wants, Land just traces from magizines and movies.

[Darthphere]

Thats retarded.

Coming from you, thats not saying anything at all.

[Killgore]

:whatever:

It's not that he doesn't have artistic ability it's that he's too lazy,uninspired..whatever to draw sh-t freehand.

Reference is ok alot of artist use it, but theres a difference from looking at something and drawing it with your own god given talent then laying a thin layer of paper on top of another finished picture and tracing.

Example:

I draw a freehand picture of the Eiffel Tower and add my own flavor to it.

While a guy like Greg Land instead traces a carbon copy of the Tower from a post card he bought.

It takes very little skill or Imagination, hell even Tim Brad Street has the talent to make his referenced art dynamic and add to the fact he actually hires models and props creating a set and what not to create the image he wants, Land just traces from magizines and movies.
If it takes very little skill or imagination, then why don't you show us how anyone can do what Land does, and give us an example of a picture you traced that is on par with Land. Don't post again in this thread unless you are going to link an IMG that you drew yourself.

[Anubis]

I havent read them yet, I want to do it all at once, but I skim through them so i kinda have an idea of whats going on, explain the bad ass Suits they wore in the last issue?


armor to protect them from the virus that Brainy made to control them. Some of them are made of the Metal Men.

[deemar325]

Shut the F--k up Killgore I'm not a artist for one and two how the f--k you gonna tell me not to post pogue.

[Darthphere]

armor to protect them from the virus that Brainy made to control them. Some of them are made of the Metal Men.

:wow: :wow: :dry:

[Anubis]

It's actually a pretty cool scene. Looks fantastic as well.

[Darthphere]

It's actually a pretty cool scene. Looks fantastic as well.

Ive seen it, I'll enjoy it more when I get the inevitable hardcover collection.

[Anubis]

Bet they make and Absolute Editon.

[Darthphere]

Bet they make and Absolute Editon.

Of course.

[Assassin]

Coming from you, thats not saying anything at all.

You're getting Sloppy, you've lost your wittyness :wow:

[deemar325]

You should, first of all, he's not drawing it, he's painting it. Second, it f**king rocks!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/just_cv9.jpg


Yep that is one purty picture, I dislike Ross as a person, but can't deny stuff like this.

[PWN3R]

Sadly Darth might have a point. As good as Justice is, it takes so long to come out, that whenever a new issue does comes out, I've totally forgotten what has happened. It will read great in a collected form.

[Eros]

so now we are comparing Land to Ross?

[Anubis]

Of course.


And I'll probally buy it, just like I bought Kingdom Come and New Frontier. I'm so freaking weak. :(

[Killgore]

Shut the F--k up Killgore I'm not a artist for one and two how the f--k you gonna tell me not to post pogue.

Since you choose not to take the challenge because you're not an artist, then your point is rendered invalid as you assert that "anyone" can trace as well as Land.

You have no reason to troll on this thread anymore as you've been pwned.


LOL, internet.

btw, nice photoshop job on your avatar.

[deemar325]

Bet they make and Absolute Editon.


I'd buy it.

[Darthphere]

You're getting Sloppy, you've lost your wittyness :wow:

Maybe you're just getting more retarded and cant see it anymore.:o

[Darthphere]

Sadly Darth might have a point. As good as Justice is, it takes so long to come out, that whenever a new issue does comes out, I've totally forgotten what has happened. It will read great in a collected form.

Yeah, I almost dropped AXM when it went Bi-Monthly.

[Assassin]

Sadly Darth might have a point. As good as Justice is, it takes so long to come out, that whenever a new issue does comes out, I've totally forgotten what has happened. It will read great in a collected form.

Thats why i'm reading them once its complete:word:

[deemar325]

Since you choose not to take the challenge because you're not an artist, then your point is rendered invalid as you assert that "anyone" can trace as well as Land.

You have no reason to troll on this thread anymore as you've been pwned.


LOL, internet.

btw, nice photoshop job on your avatar.

:huh:

Troll?


Guy if you don't like my opinion too bad.

Yes my avy is pretty sweet ain't it?

[Killgore]

:huh:

Troll?


Guy if you don't like my opinion too bad.

Yes my avy is pretty sweet ain't it?

You left out the word uninformed before opinion.

[Assassin]

Oh Snap!

[deemar325]

You left out the word uninformed before opinion.


Nothing uninformed about it.

Your boy Greg Land ain't the hot sh-t so deal with it.

[Assassin]

Maybe you're just getting more retarded and cant see it anymore.:o

My retardedness, doesn't matter, You're LAME :ninja:

[Darthphere]

My retardedness, doesn't matter, You're LAME :ninja:

Aww, AssAss caught feelings.:whatever:

[Dope Nose]

armor to protect them from the virus that Brainy made to control them. Some of them are made of the Metal Men.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5556/justice09of123233du5.jpg

and a larger version for anyone who wants it
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/5254/justice09of123233yw6.jpg

[deemar325]

Aww, AssAss caught feelings.:whatever:


LMAO!!

It never dawned on me AssAss.

Or Ass In!

[deemar325]

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5556/justice09of123233du5.jpg

and a larger version for anyone who wants it
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/5254/justice09of123233yw6.jpg


That is so badass!

Notice the 1960s Batmobile design of Batman's armor?

[Killgore]

Nothing uninformed about it.

Your boy Greg Land ain't the hot sh-t so deal with it.

Of course it is uninformed. You even said yourself that you are not an artist. So how is it possible that you, an uncreative, untalented, untrained dolt, feel that you are justified to insult someone who's profession, career, training and acumen you cannot comprehend. Greg doesn't come to where you work and complain about how you make cheeseburgers.

[deemar325]

Of course it is uninformed. You even said yourself that you are not an artist. So how is it possible that you, an uncreative, untalented, untrained dolt, feel that you are justified to insult someone who's profession, career, training and acumen you cannot comprehend. Greg doesn't come to where you work and complain about how you make cheeseburgers.


LOL!!!

Wow your doing what you accuse me of doing. So I flip burgers now?

So what's your profession? Annoying turd burgular asistant?


I can honestly say I'm pretty multi-talented and probaly make more money in one month than most would see in a year.

[Killgore]

But yet you feel obliged to criticize those that do what you cannot.

[Assassin]

I dont have photoshop, and I wouldnt know how to use it, but I still say Land is a Hack because what he's doing isnt entirly created by him. The core of his image is still a screen cap or a image from a magazine.

[deemar325]

Pretty much it's a internet message board about comics!

Dude it's not that serious so I apologize for losing my temper earlier it's not a big deal.

[Killgore]

I dont have photoshop, and I wouldnt know how to use it, but I still say Land is a Hack because what he's doing isnt entirly created by him. The core of his image is still a screen cap or a image from a magazine.

So out of your professed ignorance, not only of art, but also digital media, you somehow decided that somehow your opinion matters enough to type it out?

[Killgore]

Pretty much it's a internet message board about comics!

Dude it's not that serious so I apologize for losing my temper earlier it's not a big deal.

Accepted.

That's why I love this image so much.
BTW, the core of this image was Photoshoped.

http://www.forumspile.com/Misc-Internet_(Ronald).gif

[Anubis]

Am I the only one who gets a pedophile vibe from Ronald McDonald?

[deemar325]

So out of your professed ignorance, not only of art, but also digital media, you somehow decided that somehow your opinion matters enough to type it out?


Look he has the right to his opinion. You a artist?

Even if you were does that mean you can be the only one to comment on Greg Land?

It the SHH!!!

It's what we do.

[Killgore]

Yep, I am a professional artist and graphic designer. I also teach college, produce independent comics and have a dual masters in Art History and Illustration.

[Assassin]

So out of your professed ignorance, not only of art, but also digital media, you somehow decided that somehow your opinion matters enough to type it out?

Darth, you reading this? Take notes, this guy is whitty and uses big words :wow:.

I'm not saying its not art, its art, but you gotta be ****ing retarded if you think that its just a coinsidence that his pics just so happen to look like scenes from movie. And since Deemar already proved why you're an idiot, and informed you that this is an internet message board, every ones opinion matters, dumbass.

[deemar325]

Am I the only one who gets a pedophile vibe from Ronald McDonald?


I'm getting a woody. :o

[Anubis]

Darth, you reading this? Take notes, this guy is whitty and uses big words :wow:.

I'm not saying its not art, its art, but you gotta be ****ing retarded if you think that its just a coinsidence that his pics just so happen to look like scenes from movie. And since Deemar already proved why you're an idiot, and informed you that this is an internet message board, every ones opinion matters, dumbass.


Or is it that everyones opinion doesn't matter?

[Assassin]

whatever, every one can post their opinons, thats why you visit a message board, to read others opinions.

[Eros]

I'm getting a woody. :o

his buddy the Ham burglar is worse then him. Ham Burglar also steals the innocents of little boys and girls.

[Killgore]

Darth, you reading this? Take notes, this guy is whitty and uses big words :wow:.

I'm not saying its not art, its art, but you gotta be ****ing retarded if you think that its just a coinsidence that his pics just so happen to look like scenes from movie. And since Deemar already proved why you're an idiot, and informed you that this is an internet message board, every ones opinion matters, dumbass.

It's just that some opinions are more credible than others, AssAss. And I never said that it's a coincidence. You are just being unduly critical of someone who has spent decades honing his skills and possesses a degree of technical prowess and talent that you do not.

[Dope Nose]

whatever, every one can post their opinons, thats why you visit a message board, to read others opinions.

not to mention that art is subjective, and I'm certain that there are even professional art critics who may not have any artistic talent themselves. that however doesn't preclude them from having an understanding of technique or style.

[deemar325]

his buddy the Ham burglar is worse then him. Ham Burglar also steals the innocents of little boys and girls.

The Fry guys are really pubes.

[deemar325]

not to mention that art is subjective, and I'm certain that there are even professional art critics who may not have any artistic talent themselves. that however doesn't preclude them from having an understanding of technique or style.


You hit it right on the Nose, Dope Nose.:woot:

[Killgore]

not to mention that art is subjective, and I'm certain that there are even professional art critics who may not have any artistic talent themselves. that however doesn't preclude them from having an understanding of technique or style.

But yet a professional art critic has spent years studying technique and style, and has developed the craft of critical analysis and research. The people in this forum either think that Land just pushes the Sue Storm button in Photoshop or have the faulty assumption that anyone can trace and do what Land does.

[Assassin]

It's just that some opinions are more credible than others, AssAss. And I never said that it's a coincidence. You are just being unduly critical of someone who has spent decades honing his skills and possesses a degree of technical prowess and talent that you do not.

You don't know that, STOP ASSuming, Just because I don't show off my work or I dont know how to use photoshop doesnt mean I cant draw. I do it the old fashon way, Pencil and paper. Ohh yea, make fun of the name, how original. And no, no ones opinion is more credible than others, Facts are more credible than opinions, and thats the only way it goes.

[deemar325]

Pretty much anyone with a steady hand and patience can trace well.

[Assassin]

not to mention that art is subjective, and I'm certain that there are even professional art critics who may not have any artistic talent themselves. that however doesn't preclude them from having an understanding of technique or style.

So Roger Ebert is a Director or an actor? :huh: No, he isnt, But..n/m Killgore is a hard headed moron.

[deemar325]

Look at it this way Killgore the SHH is training ground for critics and me and Assassin are senior students here.

[Killgore]

You don't know that, STOP ASSuming, Just because I don't show off my work of I dont know how to use photoshop doesnt mean I cant draw. I do it the old fashon way, Pencil and paper. Ohh yea, make fun of the name, how original. And no, no ones opinion is more credible than others, Facts are more credible than opinions, and thats the only way it goes.

Since you're such a Michelangelo, whip it out. I challenge you to draw something as well as Land. Otherwise, all of your blathering is moot.

[Assassin]

Pretty much anyone with a steady hand and patience can trace well.

I dont think he even puts that much effort into it, I think its 100% photoshop.

[Anubis]

So Roger Ebert is a Director or an actor? No, he isnt, But..n/m Killgore is a hard headed moron.


I think he wrote the screen play for Beyond the vally of the dolls......

[Killgore]

So Roger Ebert is a Director or an actor? :huh: No, he isnt, But..n/m Killgore is a hard headed moron.

No a moron is one who criticizes others for doing what they themselves cannot.

[PWN3R]

Killgore wins by default because he posted one of the best ytmnd fads ever.:up:

[Assassin]

Since you're such a Michelangelo, whip it out. I challenge you to draw something as well as Land. Otherwise, all of your blathering is moot.

Haha, I knew this was coming, I even added it to the end of my post that dont ask me to prove it, but I erased it, LMAO, I never said I was as good as anybuddy you moron. I'm not going to prove anything to you, Your opinons of me dont mean ****. For all you know I could be Jim Lee, or Liefield, you're an Idiot.

[Killgore]

I dont think he even puts that much effort into it, I think its 100% photoshop.

You think? You do not even know the guy, nor do you know Photoshop. I don't think, I know for a fact that he doesn't use Photoshop at all.

[Anubis]

Haha, I knew this was coming, I even added it to the end of my post that dont ask me to prove it, but I erased it, LMAO, I never said I was as good as anybuddy you moron. I'm not going to prove anything to you, Your opinons of me dont mean ****. For all you know I could be Jim Lee, or Liefield, you're an Idiot.


Well, just in case, Mr. Lee, you take too damn long to draw stuff and everybody looks like Bruce Wayne. And Mr. Liefield.....you suck. Stop hurting my eyes with your art.

[Killgore]

Haha, I knew this was coming, I even added it to the end of my post that dont ask me to prove it, but I erased it, LMAO, I never said I was as good as anybuddy you moron. I'm not going to prove anything to you, Your opinons of me dont mean ****. For all you know I could be Jim Lee, or Liefield, you're an Idiot.

Your neither, because I know both of them to be professionals and would not criticize a colleague's work. I'm still waiting Michelangelo.

[Dope Nose]

But yet a professional art critic has spent years studying technique and style, and has developed the craft of critical analysis and research. The people in this forum either think that Land just pushes the Sue Storm button in Photoshop or have the faulty assumption that anyone can trace and do what Land does.

true, but as deemar pointed out we're on a message board discussing comics. it's not as if one need submit a resume or require certain credentials before being allowed to post. fortunately or unfortunately everyone's opinions are equal in terms of their importance.

[Assassin]

No a moron is one who criticizes others for doing what they themselves cannot.

I never criticized anyone I said I dont like it. I stated the obvious photoshopped or manipulations that he's done. Morons are also people who ASSume too much.

[Killgore]

Well, just in case, Mr. Lee, you take too damn long to draw stuff and everybody looks like Bruce Wayne. And Mr. Liefield.....you suck. Stop hurting my eyes with your art.

LOL. Rob's actually a really nice guy. Too bad he cannot draw. And I think it is Scott Williams fault that everyone looks like Bruce Wayne.:oldrazz:

[deemar325]

All right I'm pretty much done with this.

Killgore your annoying everyone and Assassin forget about it he's like a Jack in the Box, the f--ker is just gonna spring back with more.

So let's move on.

[Assassin]

You think? You do not even know the guy, nor do you know Photoshop. I don't think, I know for a fact that he doesn't use Photoshop at all.

Prove to me that he never used photoshop and i'll say me and every one here is wrong. I'm still not going to show you my art because Its not what I do. I do it for fun, my friends dont even know I draw. SO STOP ASKING.:cmad:

[Killgore]

I never criticized anyone I said I dont like it. I stated the obvious photoshopped or manipulations that he's done. Morons are also people who ASSume too much.

I'm not reading another one of your posts, not until it is accompanied with your no doubt brilliant art.

[Assassin]

LOL. Rob's actually a really nice guy. Too bad he cannot draw. And I think it is Scott Williams fault that everyone looks like Bruce Wayne.:oldrazz:

WTF are you to say He cannot draw? I happen to know that little kids enjoy his work, so go **** yourself, you just contradicted the one point you tried so hard to prove.

[Anubis]

heh, he got you that time.

[Killgore]

Prove to me that he never used photoshop and i'll say me and every one here is wrong. I'm still not going to show you my art because Its not what I do. I do it for fun, my friends dont even know I draw. SO STOP ASKING.:cmad:

I f'''cking know the guy!!!! Sheesh! Not only did I meet the guy at a con years ago and watch him draw for an hour, I happened to take over some of the illustrating chores and worked closely with a guy that quit the indy scene to assist Land at Marvel, and he assured me that Greg can barely operate his email.

Damn, I was juked into reading another of your insipid posts. Well NO MORE!!!

[PWN3R]

Is Assassin secretly saying he enjoys Liefield? :hyper:

[Killgore]

Is Assassin secretly saying he enjoys Liefield? :hyper:

I guess so. He likes Liefeld but not Land. Give the guy enough rope and he'll hang himself.

[Assassin]

I'm not reading another one of your posts, not until it is accompanied with your no doubt brilliant art.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/SHH/ad4ffbbb.jpg
I never said I was good moron, I said I can Draw.

[Killgore]

Poorly.

[deemar325]

I just want you all to know I'm enjoying plate of Buffallo wings and a really good back rub from my wife right now and you all can f--k off.

[Assassin]

Deemar is right. Have a nice day Killgore. Thankyou for proving my point.

Thanks Anubis. You didnt say it so clearly, but I know what you ment, thats sweet coming from you :up:

[deemar325]

I'm in heaven right now..

[BrianWilly]

I make absolutely no arguments about Greg Land's talent. If he didn't have talent, he wouldn't be drawing comics, and that's a fact.

It's his work ethic I take issue with. For any one to be making a career off of plagiarism is not only tacky, it's also offensive. Not to mention illegal.

If you wanna trace some beautiful artwork, then do it on your own time or at least admit that it's traced artwork...oh wait, you could get sued, so I guess you wouldn't ever actually admit it. The point is that I don't need to see Clay Aiken suddenly appear in the middle of a Fantastic Four book. I don't need to see Topher Grace or Brad Pitt or Sports Illustrated models in completely forced poses (http://pics.livejournal.com/kphoebe/pic/0003ta6x) distracting me in the middle of a story. And if he had only done it two or three or even four times, fine; it would have been an interesting experiment and nothing more. But two or three or four instances per issue, if not more often?? That's practically obscene.

What does it matter how beautiful it ends up looking? If I only wanted to see beautiful artwork, I could google it. Amazing artists who do amazing work come a dime a dozen in the world. Comic books are places to tell a story, not "spot the celebrity."

And don't even get me started on the fact that he traces himself.

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[Kevin]

I'm getting a woody. :o
:dry:

[Anubis]

Buffalo wings usually give me a serious case of Mudd butt.

[Assassin]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/SHH/piss.gifhttp://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/SHH/ed54948b.jpg

[Kevin]

Pretty much anyone with a steady hand and patience can trace well.
I can't.:( I can only "draw." and I can barely do that.

[deemar325]

Buffalo wings usually give me a serious case of Mudd butt.


Heres the messed up part me and the Misses is probaly gonna make love and yes I get the Mudd Butt also.


Ewwww!!!:oldrazz:

[Kevin]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/SHH/piss.gifhttp://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/SHH/ed54948b.jpg
o no.:eek:

[deemar325]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/SHH/piss.gifhttp://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/SHH/ed54948b.jpg


LOMAO!!!!

[Anubis]

Heres the messed up part me and the Misses is probaly gonna make love and yes I get the Mudd Butt also.


Ewwww!!!


Ewwww indeed.

[deemar325]

I can't.:( I can only "draw." and I can barely do that.


With time buddy you can..and my wifey just smacked me up the head for the sex and Mudd Butt comment.:csad:

[PWN3R]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/SHH/piss.gifhttp://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/SHH/ed54948b.jpg

I bet his penis is bigger than yours.:csad:

[Kevin]

Well, just in case, Mr. Lee, you take too damn long to draw stuff and everybody looks like Bruce Wayne. And Mr. Liefield.....you suck. Stop hurting my eyes with your art.
You leave Rob alone, you meany! :mad:

[deemar325]

I make absolutely no arguments about Greg Land's talent. If he didn't have talent, he wouldn't be drawing comics, and that's a fact.

It's his work ethic I take issue with. For any one to be making a career off of plagiarism is not only tacky, it's also offensive. Not to mention illegal.

If you wanna trace some beautiful artwork, then do it on your own time or at least admit that it's traced artwork...oh wait, you could get sued, so I guess you wouldn't ever actually admit it. The point is that I don't need to see Clay Aiken suddenly appear in the middle of a Fantastic Four book. I don't need to see Topher Grace or Brad Pitt or Sports Illustrated models in completely forced poses (http://pics.livejournal.com/kphoebe/pic/0003ta6x) distracting me in the middle of a story. And if he had only done it two or three or even four times, fine; it would have been an interesting experiment and nothing more. But two or three or four instances per issue, if not more often?? That's practically obscene.

What does it matter how beautiful it ends up looking? If I only wanted to see beautiful artwork, I could google it. Amazing artists who do amazing work come a dime a dozen in the world. Comic books are places to tell a story, not "spot the celebrity."

And don't even get me started on the fact that he traces himself.

http://content.imagesocket.com/images/Thatface7dd.gif
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/f02c77d9e7.gif


I think this is the definitive word on Greg Land.