5.15 Cyborg - Disussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Frodo]

It was a great episode tonight . One of the best of the season and much better then last weeks. The guy who played Cyborg did a good job and had a much better story then the Angel of Vengence . As for the Kal-El thing , I think Jor El is still might be possessing Lionel , though that doesn't explain why he would confront Johnathan in the barn . I can't wait to find out though:supes: :supes:

[jusblaze21]

Great Episode, really enjoyed it.

[GothicPowerMix1]

It was a great episode tonight . One of the best of the season and much better then last weeks. The guy who played Cyborg did a good job and had a much better story then the Angel of Vengence . As for the Kal-El thing , I think Jor El is still might be possessing Lionel , though that doesn't explain why he would confront Johnathan in the barn . I can't wait to find out though:supes: :supes:

Maybe Jor El wanted Jonathan outta the way so he can eventually get close to Clark ? & since Jonathan died in a way Clark will never know Jor El / Lionel had anything to do with it Clark will never knwo

[LostSon88]

But WE (the fans) would know, and if that turned out to be true, that would really suck IMHO...I don't want Jor-El to be a dark character.

[Savage]

LOVED this episode. God damn Lee Thompson Young can act. Better than all the other cameo characters anyway. But they just keep teasing us. Ther just HAS to be a World's Finest episode before this show's run is done. It's way out of continuity now anyway so might as well just go for it. lol But yeah, very good episode. Good action. Young has gotten in great shape as of late. Reminded me of Wesley Snipes as Blade honestly. If you told me that was his kid I wouldn't even doubt you.

Oh yeah. The JSA has to be on there. The old school heroes. Since we're going with the whole "Clark stole every idea he's ever had from other people" route, might as well make an excuse for his creation of the JLA as well. The Flash(Jay Garrick), Wildcat, Sentinel, Black Canary, etc.

[GothicPowerMix1]

There just HAS to be a World's Finest episode before this show's run is done. It's way out of continuity now anyway so might as well just go for it. lol

Like I said

Clark Kent
The Flash
Cyborg
Aquaman

VS

Zod
Braniac
Dude Kryptonian
Chick Kryptonian

4 on 4

:up:

[KalKai]

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[GothicPowerMix1]

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Hmmmm

[KalKai]

Here it is, had to resize it, was a little big.. lol

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[SapphirePrima]

Anyone knows when this repeats? I missed the whole thing.:(

[The Sage]

For the Teen Titan fans...

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4461/quickcyborgshot12no.jpg

[jaydawg]

Damn, I'm really surprised how good this episode was. Especially considering how bad superhero team-up episodes generally are on Smallville. Strong script (even if Lex was basically doing the same thing in Aqua), phenominal acting on everyone's part this ep, particularly Lee Thompson Young (I kept thinking he would have made a fantastic Pete Ross) and continuation of the season's major storylines. Definitely one of the finest Smallville eps.

[The Sage]

Damn, I'm really surprised how good this episode was. Especially considering how bad superhero team-up episodes generally are on Smallville. Strong script (even if Lex was basically doing the same thing in Aqua), phenominal acting on everyone's part this ep, particularly Lee Thompson Young (I kept thinking he would have made a fantastic Pete Ross) and continuation of the season's major storylines. Definitely one of the finest Smallville eps.

Admit it: Viktor's girl was fine. :cool::up:

[The Hurricane]

wonder how many cars lana has gone through now

[Zorex]

I was laughing about the car wreck at the beginning. Totalling cars is nothing in the SV universe.

[GothicPowerMix1]

One of the best parts of this Episode probably = Lex getting pissed off at Clark because Clark does not believe a word he says anymore :up:

Took Clark 5 years but hes growing up :up:

[AgentPat]

Hehehehehehehe... SV's just nailed Supes' dibs on this visual effect. [CRACK!] :D :up:

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And what an amazing scene this was, both in Lockdown and the new angle here:

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[Alpha and Omega]

wonder how many cars lana has gone through now

I was thinking the same thing during that episode.

[Mister J]

wonder how many cars lana has gone through now

Her insurance premiums have to be ridiculously high.
Even money she wrecks another car before the season is over.

[Red]

Cyborg, what a great episode. Personally i wasn't expecting much but i was very impressed.

We can only hope they give Cyborg a spin-off.

[Lara]

Wow this ep is why I love Smallville. Who wrote it?They even poked fun at themselves the whole what's he going to do keep lying bit and Chloe looking at Clark. Lex really commenting on how Clark bursts in. The whole ep had a little different of a voice so I'm curious as to whose it was. THe guest star can act whew..that always works better. The opera returned yah! Is there a comic equivalent to Branic who is good? Another artifical intelligence from Krypton? If not maybe they are making one up for Lionel to have been downloaded by. I have no clue which is also fun. I did miss part though due to tornado warnings. What happened right before he ended up back in the lab after going to Lio's apartment?

[GothicPowerMix1]

Her insurance premiums have to be ridiculously high.
Even money she wrecks another car before the season is over.

Technically she didnt wreck the car this time Victor did

[Sawyer]

Was the ep any goood?

[BaK]

10 out of 10!
:) :up:
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[Red]

I think it was even better than Run (one of my favorite episodes)

[mellyM]

.. Is there a comic equivalent to Branic who is good? Another artifical intelligence from Krypton? If not maybe they are making one up for Lionel to have been downloaded by.
Theres the Eradicator, if thats what you mean. And Lionel was zapped by the crystal in his pocket in Commencement, so I imagine thats when he was downloaded with all the info

[Morg]

Technically she didnt wreck the car this time Victor did

Insurance's won't care, the car is smashed and they going to see her previous record of having cars she's driving wrecked and jack up her insurances because she is a high risk factor

[blksuperman2]

I think it was even better than Run (one of my favorite episodes)

Blasphemy


I'm kidding, that's your opinion. To me this was one of the best eps ever, but Run has to be the greatest TV ep I've ever seen. I've watched it at least 20 Times and can prolly watch it 20 more.

.............Clark what took you so long? (Bart Allen)

I LOL everytime I see dat.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Insurance's won't care, the car is smashed and they going to see her previous record of having cars she's driving wrecked and jack up her insurances because she is a high risk factor

Oh I know that but to us the audience we know it wasnt Lana this time :up:

[Morg]

Oh I know that but to us the audience we know it wasnt Lana this time :up:


are you kidding? It is her fault, she like a magnet for that stuff :D

[blksuperman2]

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He's learned how to super punch 3 cats at the same time without killing them but he's afraid to get busy with his lady.................OK

[Ultimate_Superman]

I like this show. If anything I think this should have been the spin-off from Smallville though I dont think he could carry a show all by himself. But I will say this has to be the best show since the break.

[BaK]

Sorry, I don't interpret that as Clark breaking it off with Lana.

count me in.. it actually just ''cleared'' her mind, she was tearing apart that he might have stopped loving her..
she just finally got courage to confront/ask him - helped by the ''other pair's'' moment..

The answer he gave - in real life - hurts like hell.. (I wish they ''make'' him realize that down the road..)
*but we might need boyscout help explain here, he seems to indicate he'd been in an intimate relationship before* ;)

They can still go both ways from here, they've done it before, they've had them in ''neutral'' before..

with no HOPE hanging around, this wouldn't be a story about superman.. :)

[Ultimate_Superman]

Theres the Eradicator, if thats what you mean. And Lionel was zapped by the crystal in his pocket in Commencement, so I imagine thats when he was downloaded with all the infoTrue but until they say Jor-El is the Eradicator then The Eradicator is not on the show or has yet to show up.

[Savage]

I like this show. If anything I think this should have been the spin-off from Smallville though I dont think he could carry a show all by himself. But I will say this has to be the best show since the break.
Hey, he's carried "The Famous Jett Jackson" on Disney for years (awesome show by the way.:up: ). I'd love to see it.

[mellyM]

True but until they say Jor-El is the Eradicator then The Eradicator is not on the show or has yet to show up.
I was just talking about the DC universe, I don't think Jor el has anything to do with Lionel

[Spider-Gamer]

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Nice! :up:

[kane9321]

who in the world was victor's girlfriend,she was drop dead hot:)

[Ultimate_Superman]

Hey, he's carried "The Famous Jett Jackson" on Disney for years (awesome show by the way.:up: ). I'd love to see it.I am talking about Cyborg. I don't think he can carry a show with out the Teen Titans and thats they way it would have to go because the rights to the other Titans are all tied up.

[Serene]

count me in.. it actually just ''cleared'' her mind, she was tearing apart that he might have stopped loving her..
she just finally got courage to confront/ask him - helped by the ''other pair's'' moment..
After rewatching that scene.. I might have jumped the gun, but I still don't think by much. Between last week's "why don't we talk to each other" and this weeks ambiguous scene, that 'ship is loaded and ready to sail.

I really am a total metaphor-****. :)

They can still go both ways from here, they've done it before, they've had them in ''neutral'' before..

with no HOPE hanging around, this wouldn't be a story about superman.. :)

I like your optimism. Wish I shared it. ;)

[Immortalfire]

Excellent episode, great seeing Clark teaming up with Victor. Reminded me of the Aquaman episode. A very good endeavor :up:

[mellyM]

After rewatching that scene.. I might have jumped the gun, but I still don't think by much. Between last week's "why don't we talk to each other" and this weeks ambiguous scene, that 'ship is loaded and ready to sail.

I really am a total metaphor-****. :)



I like your optimism. Wish I shared it. ;)
So many have been saying its back to Clana angst, but its different. Clark seemed very resigned to the inevitable in the loft scene, and poor Lana is just trying to hang on because she has no way of understanding whats going on. I think its time for Clark to just let her go. I know he doesn't want to keep hurting her.

At first, in past seasons I never understood her badgering for his secret, but now that they are in a real relationship, I can see where it'd be a big wedge between them.

[Lara]

Theres the Eradicator, if thats what you mean. And Lionel was zapped by the crystal in his pocket in Commencement, so I imagine thats when he was downloaded with all the info
Thanks I need to look some stuff up I've forgotten so much. I don't buy that Lionel has anything to do with being Jorel so I was looking for another option in Superman canon. Of course if it's something they've made up I'm fine with it also.

[The Caped Knight]

For the Teen Titan fans...

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4461/quickcyborgshot12no.jpg


*In Cyborg voice from Teen Titans* "Booya!" :up: :up:

[avidreader]

I really do. Remember what he said to her before they talked about loving each other. They both agreed that they can't move on. It was a very damning exchange for a couple. I thought she left in tears.. that's why the dramatic slo-mo.

Would you have rather they draaagged it out and had tears and wailing? Or worse.. screaming and yelling? No.. that would have been awful. This was more effective, although.. perhaps a bit too subtle since I seem to be the only one who saw it that way. :p

I guess we'll find out next week.

Spoilers for Hypnotic say that Clark and Lana break up for good. So I dont think that was a break up as such, probably more of a realisation that things wont be the same as their "glory days" and wont get back there.

[The Caped Knight]

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badass CGI , Hey Dnsk can you get the part Where Clark X-ray's Victor and we see a "Cyborg" .

[AgentPat]

I am talking about Cyborg. I don't think he can carry a show...:confused:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071054/

:p

[KalKai]

badass CGI , Hey Dnsk can you get the part Where Clark X-ray's Victor and we see a "Cyborg" .

It's on page 21.

[Kane]

'Cyborg' is probably the strongest episode this season, definatly Leagues above 'Run' and 'Aqua'.

The Good

- Lee Thompson Young's performance as Vic was impressive. Its rare on Smallville to have a guest actor that could actually ACT and he did a great job; surpassing alot of the regular castmembers.

- The writing. Finally a well written story overall. My biggest problem with SV is the writing on a whole but sometimes rare gems like this are crafted. The writing style seemed different than alot of the previous episodes and the direction was good too.

- The Teen Titans Cyborg X-Ray thing was interesting and Im glad they didnt go overboard with the cheesy references (Junior Lifeguards Association).

- The effects of manipulation by Lionel Luthor and Lex continue to be seen in Martha and Lana. Lex and Lionel are my heroes, I love how they play with these womens' minds.

- The blackmail thing was cool, its the only recurring storyline thats interesting to me. I hope it plays out well.

The Bad

- 'Clana' is still rearing its ugly head and Clark and Lana keep going in circles. It was strange how Clark called Lana his 'girlfriend' despite them being broken up and how Lana acted like they were still together at some points. It needs to take a new turn or stop being dragged out so much. The only good thing to come out of it was Lana defending Lex to Vic. Shes clearly been manipulated and maybe this will make the Clana thing more interesting.

- Chloe was annoying as usual. The 'one to Taye Diggs' thing seemed a bit out of place like her insensitivity during Vengenace (while Clark was depressed over losing his recently dead father's watch, Chloe was upbeat trying to think of tacky superhero names to write her article). :down

The Strange

- Another asian killed in Smallville. No surprise there.

- Im hoping Lionel wasnt Jor-El all this time. That would be a total waste. Lionels been such a tool over recent years from evil to cancer to jail to transference to cured to good to out of jail to evil again to in a kryptonian trance to Lion-El to unknown (in season 5). I hope we finally see whats going on in his head or whether hes just a puppet.

- I found it interesting, partially funny, how they cut the scene when Clark asked Lana to describe Victor...she obviously said a black guy. And even more interesting is how Clark immediately spotted him and was confident he was Victor. A black guy tends to stand out on SV.

Overall this episode is a 9/10. Coolest episode of the season next to the Brainiac episode.

[Superfreak]

Blasphemy


I'm kidding, that's your opinion. To me this was one of the best eps ever, but Run has to be the greatest TV ep I've ever seen. I've watched it at least 20 Times and can prolly watch it 20 more.

.............Clark what took you so long? (Bart Allen)

I LOL everytime I see dat.

don't get a lot of TV I assume. (greatest TV ep I've ever seen)... You know sv is good, it's not that good though

[The Caped Knight]

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This was cool .

[Red]

Overall this episode is a 9/10. Coolest episode of the season next to the Brainiac episode.

Solitude or Splinter?

[AgentPat]

don't get a lot of TV I assume. (greatest TV ep I've ever seen)... You know sv is good, it's not that good thoughI could be wrong, but I *think* blksuperman2 was saying that he thought Run was the best *SV* ep, not the best episode ever of ALL tv shows.

[Ultimate_Superman]

:confused:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071054/

:p:mad::mad::mad:



:p Good one Pat :D

[The Hurricane]

yeah... definatly a cool episode. glade to see it was a filler episode. I had my doubts but it succeded perfectly.

[Kane]

Solitude or Splinter?

Solitude obviously.

[blksuperman2]

- I found it interesting, partially funny, how they cut the scene when Clark asked Lana to describe Victor...she obviously said a black guy. And even more interesting is how Clark immediately spotted him and was confident he was Victor. A black guy tends to stand out on SV.



I laughed at that scene. Because if you're a black man and the cops are after you, why would you put on a bright yellow shirt..............to blend in.;)

[AgentPat]

:mad::mad::mad:



:p Good one Pat:D :D ;)

[blksuperman2]

I could be wrong, but I *think* blksuperman2 was saying that he thought Run was the best *SV* ep, not the best episode ever of ALL tv shows.


Right On

[avidreader]

Well I thought this episode was absolutely fantastic. Loved all the main character interactions, especially Clark and Lex, and Victor was a fantastic guest star. He played the role to perfection.

I think Clark is ready to let go of Lana, not sure if Lana is. You could see the resignation in his face and his words that things will never work out. Chloe's words from Hidden (if you think you can stay in a relationship with her and not tell her, you're seriously kidding yourself) are finally starting to sink in with him.

Lana will run to Lex of course, I think she may be aware now that Chloe knows about Clark, after that little eye exchange at the Planet. I hope Lana realises what Lex is all about and goes behind Lex's back to protect Clark. This will leave Lex infuriated. Then we can have some nice Clark and Lana friendship.

Lionel is definitely Lionel. There is no way Jor-el would want to whoo Martha. I'm not sure if he has genuine effection for her, or if he's using his past effection for her, which she is aware of, to get to her.

What does he want though? Interesting to see how it all unfolds.

And I loved the cliffhanger ending. That was fabulous. :up:

[GothicPowerMix1]

This Episode would have been MUCH better to have been the Episode BEFORE the 100th Episode. This would have NICELY setted up Clark finally wanting to tell Lana everything even though she ends up forgetting this Episode would have definitely been a more of a nicer set up for the 100th Episode :up:

However on its own its still a good Episode

[Hush]

My little bro said there were not scenes for next week. Is this true???

[GothicPowerMix1]

My little bro said there were not scenes for next week. Is this true???

We got a full Month wait for the next Episode :(

[Spider-Gamer]

We got a full Month wait for the next Episode :(
I get sad everytime I read/hear that. :(

[Darthphere]

Funny thing is at the end the scene with Clark and Lana and Lana walking off my sister right away said, thats the break-up right there. I guess she has experience with that.

[user123456789]

Anyone knows when this repeats? I missed the whole thing.:(

Its on several torrent sites already. :up:

if that isn't an option for you, i can transfer it to you over AIM. :up:

if that isn't an option for you, i think there's a thread dedicated to Site downloads so check that out. :up:

[user123456789]

Funny thing is at the end the scene with Clark and Lana and Lana walking off my sister right away said, thats the break-up right there. I guess she has experience with that.

so she's single? :)

[Darthphere]

so she's single? :)


Yes, why? You wanna holla?


Either way, I think it looked like a break up scene. With Clark saying he will always lover instead of using a present tense. But its Smallville, I expect this to be dragged out a few more episodes.

[user123456789]

Yes, why? You wanna holla?


Either way, I think it looked like a break up scene. With Clark saying he will always lover instead of using a present tense. But its Smallville, I expect this to be dragged out a few more episodes.

is she a fan of smallville?

[avidreader]

Ausiello said that Clark and Lana officially break up in Hypnotic, after Lana walks in on him and the godess woman.

[newmexneon]

Lana needs to either die already or Clark needs to tell her everything. In my opinion the tension and drama between Clark and Lana is seriously hurting the quality of the show. It is so bad that it makes me not even want to watch anymore. The show has been on for five years already, they need to cut the crap and move forward.

Last nights episode was really good, except for the stupid crap going on between Lana and Clark.

[Mike_D202]

I'm glad Clark was the one that broke it off, I was getting sick of his whining and it showed that hes accepting the reality of the situation.

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5412/19gj1.gif

^^ that rocked.

[Mike_D202]

- I found it interesting, partially funny, how they cut the scene when Clark asked Lana to describe Victor...she obviously said a black guy. And even more interesting is how Clark immediately spotted him and was confident he was Victor. A black guy tends to stand out on SV.

Overall this episode is a 9/10. Coolest episode of the season next to the Brainiac episode.

Clark: What did he look like?

Lana: The only black guy in Smallville. But dont worry, its just another guest appearance, this time hes NOT evil.

:D

[Spider-Gamer]

Clark: What did he look like?

Lana: The only black guy in Smallville. But dont worry, its just another guest appearance.

:D
HAHA! Nice! :up:

[avidreader]

I just watched the episode again, and something interesting I noted.

When Clark returns to Lois's apartment, after Victor leaves to go and find Katherine. Lana wants to call the police she turns around and Clark superspeeds out of the room. When Lana turns back around to talk to him and he's gone, she doesnt show a WTF look on her face. It was almost as if she knew what had happened.

[Spider-Gamer]

I just watched the episode again, and something interesting I noted.

When Clark returns to Lois's apartment, after Victor leaves to go and find Katherine. Lana wants to call the police she turns around and Clark superspeeds out of the room. When Lana turns back around to talk to him and he's gone, she doesnt show a WTF look on her face. It was almost as if she knew what had happened.
I thought the same thing as well.

[GothicPowerMix1]

I just watched the episode again, and something interesting I noted.

When Clark returns to Lois's apartment, after Victor leaves to go and find Katherine. Lana wants to call the police she turns around and Clark superspeeds out of the room. When Lana turns back around to talk to him and he's gone, she doesnt show a WTF look on her face. It was almost as if she knew what had happened.

Shes been doing that for a while now I would hope that by now Lana is used to seeing Clark disappear like that

[blksuperman2]

Clark: What did he look like?

Lana: The only black guy in Smallville. But dont worry, its just another guest appearance, this time hes NOT evil.

:D

Well, actually they were in Metropolis at the time of the accident.

I liked how when Lana calls Clark saying she's in trouble he superspeeds over. She asks "How'd you get here so fast?" Obviously he was in SV at the time and just ran to Metropolis. He of course lies and says he was at the Daily Planet.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Shes been doing that for a while now I would hope that by now Lana is used to seeing Clark disappear like thatLOL:up:

[GothicPowerMix1]

He of course lies and says he was at the Daily Planet.

While yes it was a lie but Clark HAS been hanging out at the Daily Planet alot. Its almost like hes working there

[Darthphere]

is she a fan of smallville?


Big fan.

[user123456789]

I just watched the episode again, and something interesting I noted.

When Clark returns to Lois's apartment, after Victor leaves to go and find Katherine. Lana wants to call the police she turns around and Clark superspeeds out of the room. When Lana turns back around to talk to him and he's gone, she doesnt show a WTF look on her face. It was almost as if she knew what had happened.

another thing you may have missed is the Daily Planet scene with Clark, Chloe, and Lana.

watch that scene again ^^

[Ultimate_Superman]

Lana is not dumb I think she some what knows.

[Artistsean]

another thing you may have missed is the Daily Planet scene with Clark, Chloe, and Lana.

watch that scene again ^^

I missed the opening, which is where that was Im guessing. What happened in that scene?

I always thought Lana knew, and that she would tell Clark or that when he told her she would have already known.
Also, did it bother anyone else that Cyborg wasn't shown to be as powerful as he is, that most of the show he was dying because his power cells were leaking?
I just would have liked to see more of him doing things like stopping cars, destroying concrete when he hit it.
What do you guys think?

[blksuperman2]

While yes it was a lie but Clark HAS been hanging out at the Daily Planet alot. Its almost like hes working there

True. But 2 Eps ago he quits school so that he could work on the farm and then hangs out in Metropolis. Last season he skips on football and Met U to be closer to home and the farm but still hangs out in Metropolis.

I don't get it. The writers are having trouble keeping their characters where they should be. On that note, why is Lex still in SV?

[user123456789]

I missed the opening, which is where that was Im guessing. What happened in that scene?

I always thought Lana knew, and that she would tell Clark or that when he told her she would have already known.
Also, did it bother anyone else that Cyborg wasn't shown to be as powerful as he is, that most of the show he was dying because his power cells were leaking?
I just would have liked to see more of him doing things like stopping cars, destroying concrete when he hit it.
What do you guys think?

It wasn't in the opening scene, it was @ 14:15 of the episode.

i think they didn't show Cyborgs full potential, because he's just like Clark. Still growing/learning to cope with his abilities?

[blksuperman2]

I just would have liked to see more of him doing things like stopping cars, destroying concrete when he hit it.
What do you guys think?

I thought the same thing. I was also half expecting Clark to use his heat vision to repair Victor's arm. I'm sure he's welding parts before.

[avidreader]

another thing you may have missed is the Daily Planet scene with Clark, Chloe, and Lana.

watch that scene again ^^

Yep, noticed that one too. Maybe she's starting to put the pieces together, and like Chloe, she's waiting for him to open up to her.

She better find a comfy chair, cause she might be waiting a while. ;)

[GothicPowerMix1]

True. But 2 Eps ago he quits school so that he could work on the farm and then hangs out in Metropolis. Last season he skips on football and Met U to be closer to home and the farm but still hangs out in Metropolis

The guy has Super Speed & Super Strength man

[user123456789]

Yep, noticed that one too. Maybe she's starting to put the pieces together, and like Chloe, she's waiting for him to open up to her.

She better find a comfy chair, cause she might be waiting a while. ;)

loveseat anyone? :up:

[user123456789]

The guy has Super Speed & Super Strength man

ditto.

he's hell of alot faster and stronger now than he was in season 1 episode 2, where his mom yells 'clark you have 15 minutes to get ready and you didn't do any of your chores yet!'

[GothicPowerMix1]

ditto.

he's hell of alot faster and stronger now than he was in season 1 episode 2, where his mom yells 'clark you have 15 minutes to get ready and you didn't do any of your chores yet!'

& I believe in one Episode where Clark has no powers & is human he mentions something about how it used to take him 5 Minutes to do his chores but now it takes him 2 Hours.

So yeah compare that :p

[jaydawg]

Admit it: Viktor's girl was fine. :cool::up:
I wont cause I found VICTOR's gf quite ugly.

[Darthphere]

Meh, id hit it. But i admittedly have pretty low standards.

[Spider-Gamer]

I wont cause I found VICTOR's gf quite ugly.
She might not be the best looking person in the world, but I would not call her ugly. That is just my two cents! :o

[Gmanofsteel]

I'm glad Clark was the one that broke it off, I was getting sick of his whining and it showed that hes accepting the reality of the situation.

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5412/19gj1.gif

^^ that rocked.
i could watch it over and over and over again :D

[Gmanofsteel]

I was laughing about the car wreck at the beginning. Totalling cars is nothing in the SV universe.
its like dumping the trash once a week :D

Admit it: Viktor's girl was fine. :cool::up:
I liked her too. :up:

[Kaboom]

Meh, id hit it. But i admittedly have pretty low standards.

LOL...there are some things a man should never admit too...

[user123456789]

i could watch it over and over and over again :D

anyone notice how Victor gave Clark a quick 'look' while they were running on the rooftop about to jump down?

It seemed like Victor was thinking "Jeeze, how many abilities does this guy have?" lol

[Kaboom]

i think it would ve been awesome if during that jump, when Victor went crashing down to the street, Clark would have just kept going up. siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.....

[Red]

Anyone wish he has said booya?

[Assassin]

The famous jett jackson was awsome as cyborg, i wish he returns sometime

[user123456789]

Anyone wish he has said booya?

From what i've read, booya is his trademark line?

If thats the case, i'm fine with the fact that he didn't say it. he JUST became a cyborg, so he still has time to get think up of his trademark line.

but in the case of the flash episode, Bart had his abilities for a really long time, so i enjoyed alot of the Flash / JLA references.

[Darthphere]

I cant recall him ever syaing it in the comics but in the Teen Titans cartoon, he said it a little bit too mcuh.

[musclesforsupes]

I missed last night's episode

[musclesforsupes]

Did they have any weird teen titan shout outs, or did the episode suck?

[user123456789]

I missed last night's episode
there are several links up for download

or PM me if you want me to give it to you over AIM.

[user123456789]

Did they have any weird teen titan shout outs, or did the episode suck?

No teen titan shout outs and the episode did not suck. rather good actually.

[musclesforsupes]

How did they get along?

Friends or Enemy's during the show?

How did he leave, did he leave like Run or like aqua with a chip on his shoulder?

I always loved it in Run when Bart says perhaps we can start like a league or something.

[user123456789]

How did they get along?

Friends or Enemy's during the show?

How did he leave, did he leave like Run or like aqua with a chip on his shoulder?

I always loved it in Run when Bart says perhaps we can start like a league or something.

Friends from the beginning.

His leaving was totally different. On good terms with Clark, but.. different.

No Teen Titan or JLA references.

[Assassin]

^ thank god

[user123456789]

^ thank god

you didn't watch it either?

[dpm07]

Great episode, but I was rather disappointed that there were not JL/Teen Titan references. That's the best part of the heroes meeting, and saying goodbye. That really helped make the Aquaman and Flash episodes what they were. Most people I've talked to around the university and comic shops like the references as well.

[Assassin]

you didn't watch it either?

I watched it twice, i said thank god he didnt say a jla refrence, it wa sfunny in the flash episode but it was pushing it in the corney aquaman one

[user123456789]

I watched it twice, i said thank god he didnt say a jla refrence, it wa sfunny in the flash episode but it was pushing it in the corney aquaman one

ohh ic.

time to get the hypnotic thread lively again!

[blksuperman2]

I think the Junior Lifeguard reference was overtly corny. I think that the writers realized that and that's why you didn't see dat. I did think that Lex or the evil scientist would've called Victor a Titan.

[Assassin]

he should of said something about teen heros..

[avidreader]

Victor did call Clark a hero. Is that enough of a reference.

[KikiDee]

Clark also told him he should use his powers to help someone else in need. This whole episode was saturated in subtle references of things to come.

[user123456789]

Clark also told him he should use his powers to help someone else in need. This whole episode was saturated in subtle references of things to come.

:up:

[Mister J]

It's better when the hints of what's to come are just that...hints. I can't stand when we're hammered with the over-the-top and obvious references. This ep was quality on so many levels. Who knew Jett Jackson could bring it like that?

[user123456789]

It's better when the hints of what's to come are just that...hints. I can't stand when we're hammered with the over-the-top and obvious references. This ep was quality on so many levels. Who knew Jett Jackson could bring it like that?

I enjoyed how emotional he was, compared to Clark's usual 'straight face.'

[avidreader]

I was thinking about that scene with Clark and Lana in the Loft.

Specifically the part where she says to him

Lana "why do you do that"

Clark "what"

Lana "hide what your really feeling"

He really is Superman on Smallville. :supes:

I can see why Al/Miles say that the Superman Character will be the disguise further down the line.

[Spare-Flair]

This is impossible because NTSC DVDs only record 23.976 FRAMES PER SECOND.

The slowest Lionel could view is 1/24th of a second basically. The same goes for NTSC video assuming the original camera is analog.

There is no way a videotape COULD EVER capture the explosion and Clark in so many frames. If you ever watch hockey, you'll notice that often, the puck if often moving so fast, you can't even see it in the video replay. It's just a blur.

There are some 500 FPS cameras out there but they are ridiculous expensive and uneconomical because of the terrible amounts of film and memory required. Why would a warehouse be using them for surveilance when usually it's just closed-circuit tape to a VHS.

[user123456789]

This is impossible because NTSC DVDs only record 23.976 FRAMES PER SECOND.

The slowest Lionel could view is 1/24th of a second basically. The same goes for NTSC video assuming the original camera is analog.

There is no way a videotape COULD EVER capture the explosion and Clark in so many frames. If you ever watch hockey, you'll notice that often, the puck if often moving so fast, you can't even see it in the video replay. It's just a blur.

There are some 500 FPS cameras out there but they are ridiculous expensive and uneconomical because of the terrible amounts of film and memory required. Why would a warehouse be using them for surveilance when usually it's just closed-circuit tape to a VHS.

good points.

i agree with you on everything, except for the fact that since it was the warehouse that had the spaceship, Lex could have went all out on security.

PS: Anyone here need Hidden? I can't post the link because i'll get banned, so just send me a PM.

[Spare-Flair]

good points.

i agree with you on everything, except for the fact that since it was the warehouse that had the spaceship, Lex could have went all out on security.

PS: Anyone here need Hidden? I can't post the link because i'll get banned, so just send me a PM.

That's true. Then the blackmailer played the source at slow speed while encoding to DVD.

One more thing, I think that Clark should have jumped off the roof and then slowed down his descent as to not to make another impact on the ground, therefore they wouldn't be able to tell that two had escaped but that's just another point they ignored.

Insurance's won't care, the car is smashed and they going to see her previous record of having cars she's driving wrecked and jack up her insurances because she is a high risk factor

Morg is right, everybody on Smallville, especially Clark and Lana must have sky-high insurance with so many accidents that "can't be explained". They totally ignore how the cars get totalled every episode and then come back brand new next time.

How many times have the Kent's truck(s) flipped or been demolished? How many times has Lana's SUV been run off the road or crashed or rolled? And most of the times there are totally unexplainable things. I'd hate to be in their shoes trying to explain to adjusters.

- One more thing - they could have made it LESS OBVIOUS that Dr. Hong's house was the same house they used for the girlfriend! Look it's the same front door and everything!

[user123456789]

One more thing, I think that Clark should have jumped off the roof and then slowed down his descent as to not to make another impact on the ground, therefore they wouldn't be able to tell that two had escaped but that's just another point they ignored.

:up:

[Ratcrawler]

Hey. 26 pages and I didn't really bother to read 'em. Anyway, this was a sweet ep. Forgive me if this has been brought up, but when they rebuilt Vic's arm and made it "better than before", were they alluding to a sonic cannon?

[batman44]

I'm late with this but I really enjoyed this episode, Cyborg is so freakin cool.

[jaydawg]

Meh, id hit it. But i admittedly have pretty low standards.
I've noticed that about alot of fanboys. They'd do just about anyone in a comic book related show/movie. I mean why else would Kirsten Dunst or Anna Paquin be considered hot on these boards?

[user123456789]

Hey. 26 pages and I didn't really bother to read 'em. Anyway, this was a sweet ep. Forgive me if this has been brought up, but when they rebuilt Vic's arm and made it "better than before", were they alluding to a sonic cannon?

Thats a good theory, but its as good as anyone's guess. The Sonic cannon wasn't mentioned, refered to, implied to, etc etc in any way.

I'm late with this but I really enjoyed this episode, Cyborg is so freakin cool.

better late than never, glad to have you here.

[Pimpjuice16]

BEST EPISODE EVER. I COULD SAY IT WAS EVEN1 BETTER THAN THE FLASH EPISODE.http://www.papalace.com/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=si&img=1219

[Pickle-El]

I liked this episode. That kid did one hell of a job. Hopefully the momentum continues....that ending got my attention, way to finish it. :up:

[avidreader]

Morg is right, everybody on Smallville, especially Clark and Lana must have sky-high insurance with so many accidents that "can't be explained". They totally ignore how the cars get totalled every episode and then come back brand new next time.

How many times have the Kent's truck(s) flipped or been demolished? How many times has Lana's SUV been run off the road or crashed or rolled? And most of the times there are totally unexplainable things. I'd hate to be in their shoes trying to explain to adjusters.



Okay, I've been thinking about this all day. When has Lana totalled her car before, aside from Reckoning which Clark undid?

[Max]

I loved this episode too. Very well done. I was glad to see Clark's confidence in dealing with Lex. There was no hesitation in his accusations, and he didn't buy anything Lex was telling him. I think with his father's death, it has helped eliminate (a leetle bit) of Clark's naivete. Their scenes together were great.

I thought the guest actor was very good, and I agree with the majority that his character would be far more interesting than Aquaman. (I'd go with a "Steve Austin" version before a "Man from Atlantis" version anyday.)

Clark and Lana was fine. I agree that Clark is finally beginning to realize that he cannot have a future with Lana. He's worried about getting her killed, and he'd rather be the loner hero. (Gotta love him)

Last but not least, the Lionel vs. Lion-el debate. Isn't it possible that Jor-el is able to monitor Lionel's activities? Almost behave like an entity inside Lionel, but only assumes Lionel's body when he needs to protect his son. For instance, when Lionel is being all evil and manipulative with Lex, that is Lionel. However, whose to say that Jor-el isn't also present at those moments, but he just doesn't interefere because these are human dramas that do not concern him. ONLY when the danger rears its ugly head toward his son does Jor-el assume control - almost like a split personality.

My take on yesterday's episode is that it was Lionel the whole time until he realized that Martha was being blackmailed. Then Jor-el needed to know what exactly was Martha being blackmailed about, and there is only one thing that you could possibly blackmail Martha Kent about, and that, of course, is Clark. I believe Jor-el took over after Lionel left the Kent Farm and saw the package. Those final minutes were Jor-el.

That's my take on it anyway.

[Serene]

Okay, I've been thinking about this all day. When has Lana totalled her car before, aside from Reckoning which Clark undid?
I don't remember any Lana crashes, just the truck in Vortex.. but you can't really blame a TORNADO on her. :)

Lois is the one with the penchant for crashing into things - That guy in Facade, Shelby, the cornfield.

Wasn't Jonathan involved in more than one car crash too?

We know that Lex has hit at least one person.. Clark. Although, we have to pretend that one didn't happen. ;)

[avidreader]

^^^^ I think Lionel set the whole thing up Max, just to gain Martha's trust in him.

[user123456789]

^^^^ I think Lionel set the whole thing up Max, just to gain Martha's trust in him.

i agree with that, but i'm still confused about this whole Lionel / Lion-el bit. I hope TPTB explain it.

[avidreader]

i agree with that, but i'm still confused about this whole Lionel / Lion-el bit. I hope TPTB explain it.

I think Lionel remembers everything that happened to him whilst he was in a coma, and whilst he was Lion-el.

[user123456789]

I think Lionel remembers everything that happened to him whilst he was in a coma, and whilst he was Lion-el.

Oh ok, so you think it is 100% Lionel ALWAYS?

[Max]

^^^^ I think Lionel set the whole thing up Max, just to gain Martha's trust in him.

But then why refer to Clark as Kal-el in the privacy of his office with no one around? Lionel would not need to resort to that farce. He would just smile maliciously and smugly, as always, while viewing the video. He had no reason to refer to Clark as Kal-el. If it was Lionel, I believe he would have delivered that last line with all the smugness Lionel Luther could muster. He loves to put a player in checkmate. That didn't happen in the final scene. Lionel wasn't smug or gloating, imo; he was thoughtful and reflective. I don't think it was Lionel at the very end.

Now, that doesn't mean that I don't agree that Lionel is trying to manipulate Martha and take advantage of her position, but that very last scene -- I don't know, I don't think it was Lionel. It was too personal.

[user123456789]

But then why refer to Clark as Kal-el in the privacy of his office with no one around? Lionel would not need to resort to that farce. He would just smile maliciously and smugly, as always, while viewing the video. He had no reason to refer to Clark as Kal-el. If it was Lionel, I believe he would have delivered that last line with all the smugness Lionel Luther could muster. He loves to put a player in checkmate. That didn't happen in the final scene. Lionel wasn't smug or gloating, imo; he was thoughtful and reflective. I don't think it was Lionel at the very end.

Now, that doesn't mean that I don't agree that Lionel is trying to manipulate Martha and take advantage of her position, but that very last scene -- I don't know, I don't think it was Lionel. It was too personal.

i agree with Max.

[Max]

Oh, and a note to the director: unless casting sends you a guest star who's at least 6' tall, don't frame a long shot of 'em standing next to Welling. It's REALLY noticeable dude. LOL

Thank you!! I knew you would notice that, Pat. You're talking about the long shot in the loft when Victor and Clark are facing each other, right? Holy Smokes! Talk about dwarfing your co-star. Might as well just stick a water tower next to the poor guy.

It was very noticeable. Damn it was sweet, though. :)

[avidreader]

But then why refer to Clark as Kal-el in the privacy of his office with no one around? Lionel would not need to resort to that farce. He would just smile maliciously and smugly, as always, while viewing the video. He had no reason to refer to Clark as Kal-el. If it was Lionel, I believe he would have delivered that last line with all the smugness Lionel Luther could muster. He loves to put a player in checkmate. That didn't happen in the final scene. Lionel wasn't smug or gloating, imo; he was thoughtful and reflective. I don't think it was Lionel at the very end.

Now, that doesn't mean that I don't agree that Lionel is trying to manipulate Martha and take advantage of her position, but that very last scene -- I don't know, I don't think it was Lionel. It was too personal.

I actually think that was for the audience. A good cliffhanger.

[PeteVenkman]

Man, i really liked this episode. I thought the "hero's goodbye" was great. I'm glad they didn't set him up to be in the Smallville-verse Justice League, so I'm ok with no references to that. I really liked the "Help someone in need" bit, it showed Clark as almost a mentor/teacher to Cyborg, which makes sense because Clarks been doing this for a long time, and Victor just recently became super. And besides, what 2nd or 3rd gen hero wouldn't look up to Superman.

It would have been great to see clark knowingly slow his decent when he and victor jumped, as it would've showed that he is still learning new things to do with his powers, while ever so slowly inching toward flight. As it is, that was a badass scene, with both of them jumping without giving it a second thought.

It seems that Johnathon's death has influenced Clark just like they said it would. They've done a very good job of making Clark seem much more determined, and resolute in what he does, from the way he tells Victor to use his powers to help people, to how he deals with Lex in a very Superman-ish way. I love how he just barged into Lex's house and started accusing him, while not falling for Lex's lies. His facial expressions seem alot more powerful lately, like he knows that without Johnathon he has to decide for himself what to do, and he's getting more comfortable with it.

That whole Lionel thing has me baffled, and after reading all the ideas about who he really is and what his motivations are, I still got nothin'. Can't wait to see that pan out. It seems like they might use Lionels knowledge and willingingness to protect Clarks secret to drive Lex further into darkness. Lex wants to be nothing like his father, putting Lionel even vaguely on the Kents side might help the decent.

Oh well, i'm just rambling now. Jett Jackson was great as Cyborg, definitely one of the better episodes of the series.

[Max]

I actually think that was for the audience. A good cliffhanger.

Quite possible. I guess we won't find out for another month or so, dammit! :(

[avidreader]

Quite possible. I guess we won't find out for another month or so, dammit! :(

Yeah, I hate hiatus. :mad:

[user123456789]

Thank you!! I knew you would notice that, Pat. You're talking about the long shot in the loft when Victor and Clark are facing each other, right? Holy Smokes! Talk about dwarfing your co-star. Might as well just stick a water tower next to the poor guy.

It was very noticeable. Damn it was sweet, though. :)

it sucks if you're like me. i noticed that loft scene, and then in another scene they put Jett Jackson on a box!!!

[avidreader]

it sucks if you're like me. i noticed that loft scene, and then in another scene they put Jett Jackson on a box!!!

I didnt notice it at all. I'm always too busy looking at Clark. :)

[user123456789]

I didnt notice it at all. I'm always too busy looking at Clark. :)

LOL! :up:

[Max]

it sucks if you're like me. i noticed that loft scene, and then in another scene they put Jett Jackson on a box!!!

It wouldn't have been so bad if it hadn't been a 'long shot,' you know what I mean? When the height and size differences between two actors are that huge (no pun intended), you do close-ups and shorter angles to help minimize those differences.

Normally, I can overlook certain height/size differences (i.e., Tom/Kristin) because she's usually standing on a box, but Geez Louise! For me to notice it, you might as well paint a big neon, blinking sign: "I am five times your size and could crush you like a grape (or a tin can, in this case)." :)

[user123456789]

It wouldn't have been so bad if it hadn't been a 'long shot,' you know what I mean? When the height and size differences between two actors are that huge (no pun intended), you do close-ups and shorter angles to help minimize those differences.

Normally, I can overlook certain height/size differences (i.e., Tom/Kristin) because she's usually standing on a box, but Geez Louise! For me to notice it, you might as well paint a big neon, blinking sign: "I am five times your size and could crush you like a grape (or a tin can, in this case)." :)

lmfao.

another thing i enjoyed about this episode was that you can tell clark / superman is clearly stronger than cyborg will ever be.

Aqua really pissed me off, because they made Aqua's abilities match Clark's in some ways.

[PeteVenkman]

Good point boyscouT, although they didn't delve into Cyborgs abilities to much, no sonic cannon, just the superstrength and bleeding oil aparently. It was good to see that Clark was definitely more super of the two.

[user123456789]

thanks pete.

[Max]

Boyscout, Pete,

Good points by you both. I admit, I like it when Supes is stronger than the other heroes, but that's just me.

[PeteVenkman]

Yeah, Superman is definitly meant to be a whole level or 10 above most superheros strength wise, but my favorite thing is when they decide to make superman not just the fight first think later type of guy. In the recent JLU:Classified Superman let himself get pummeled by this alien technology thing until he figured out exactly what it was and how to destroy it, he even told the alien thing how he figured it out, and that as the "son of a scientist of the house of El, and a reporter" he could "find his way into any story" and then totally destroyed the alien/monster/robot thing. I love when they actually give the guy brains, not Batman briains, but at least above average joe intelligence. It would be great to see Clark piece together a story before Chloe someday, and that could get him started on the journalism thing again.

[avidreader]

I think they're slowly introducting that by way of Clark's investigating with Chloe. She's obviously being set up to be the driving force behind his passion for investigative journalism.

[Serene]

It would be great to see Clark piece together a story before Chloe someday, and that could get him started on the journalism thing again.
One of the few things I liked about "Tomb" was seeing Clark actually do the research for himself without Chloe for once. Nothing against Chloe, but I get tired of her and her computer being the key to solving everything. That girl's got some mad computer skills. I think she has a version of Google that the rest of us aren't yet privy too perhaps.

:)

[user123456789]

Yeah, Superman is definitly meant to be a whole level or 10 above most superheros strength wise, but my favorite thing is when they decide to make superman not just the fight first think later type of guy. In the recent JLU:Classified Superman let himself get pummeled by this alien technology thing until he figured out exactly what it was and how to destroy it, he even told the alien thing how he figured it out, and that as the "son of a scientist of the house of El, and a reporter" he could "find his way into any story" and then totally destroyed the alien/monster/robot thing. I love when they actually give the guy brains, not Batman briains, but at least above average joe intelligence. It would be great to see Clark piece together a story before Chloe someday, and that could get him started on the journalism thing again.

Speaking of his intelligence, I hope in future episodes, Clark becomes privy to combining his powers. ie. When he went to Dr. Hongs house, why bother knocking on the door, when he could have x-rayed the entire house?

ie. When Clark was breaking out Victor, why stop superspeeding after taking care of the bad guys? Why not pick Victor up, and superspeed out of there until he reached his loft?

and lastly... since some people mentioned that they wanted Clark to show his 'flying' ability when they jumped down from the roof, if you rewatch the scene closely, you can notice that Victor leaves a bigger crack than Clark. Is this because Victor weighs more, or did Clark unknowlingly cushin his fall?

[avidreader]

Speaking of his intelligence, I hope in future episodes, Clark becomes privy to combining his powers. ie. When he went to Dr. Hongs house, why bother knocking on the door, when he could have x-rayed the entire house?

Because its the polite thing to do. ;)

ie. When Clark was breaking out Victor, why stop superspeeding after taking care of the bad guys? Why not pick Victor up, and superspeed out of there until he reached his loft?

Then we wouldnt have had the cool jumping scene.

and lastly... since some people mentioned that they wanted Clark to show his 'flying' ability when they jumped down from the roof, if you rewatch the scene closely, you can notice that Victor leaves a bigger crack than Clark. Is this because Victor weighs more, or did Clark unknowlingly cushin his fall?

Keen eye. I'll have to take a closer look at that. :up:

[user123456789]

Then we wouldnt have had the cool jumping scene.



i knew i'd get a reply like that!! LOL! :up:

i must admit i would rather want a cool jumping scene too.

[PeteVenkman]

Good point on the different sized impacts.... how much would the metal organs and such add to Victor's weight, we all know this is tv-land, but there's got to be a limit to what his skeletal structure could support, the majority of his implants seem to be organs and the like inside his rib cage. Besides, if they were state of the art implants to make him superhuman and such, wouldnt' they try to make them as light as possible..... ok, i guess i'm just trying to justify Clark slowing himself down, lol. Still i wonder what the differences in weight would be between Clark and Robotic Vic Stone?

[Scooter]

Really enjoyed this episode, far more than last week's.

BTW, how tall was is the actor who played Cyborg? And how tall is Welling, exactly? There seemed to be a sizeable disparity there.

[Serene]

Hulk will probably post his own Cyborg review when he gets back, but since I wrote this up anyway, I'm going to post it.


Smallville Episode 5-14 Review: “Cyborg”

Apparently, and for reasons I can’t fathom, Superhulk has prioritized hula girls and warm sand beaches over watching and reviewing this week’s episode. Hmph, some fan he is. So you’re stuck with me, for now, but don’t worry he’ll be back all sunburnt and sated next week.

This week’s episode was another example of bringing in an already established character, and putting the Smallville Spin on him. This has been done successfully in the past – with Run most notably, and also less successfully – with Aquaman. The success of Jinx is too contentious, so we won’t go there. Cyborg, more humanly known as Victor Stone, is one of the Teen Titans, perhaps not as well known as the other heavy-hitters, but established nonetheless. Did they do justice to the character within the Smallville storyline framework? Or do the “bastardization” protesters finally have a justifiable point?

What Worked:
Almost everything. This episode managed to do what a good episode should, entertain from the first frame to the last. A large part of this show’s success must be attributed to Lee Thompson Young, better known as The Famous Jett Jackson. His years of acting experience were evident in his very comfortable and personable portrayal of Victor. The on-screen dynamic between Victor and Clark was exciting to watch. Jumping off the rooftop with a ground-cracking landing seems a simple enough thing, but there’s such an extra thrill in seeing two super-powered guys do it in tandem. It’s double the fun. Victor was such a likable character; it was hard not to sympathize with his situation. The “bionics” weren’t externally obvious, but we did get a nice look at the inner mechanics thanks to Clark’s x-ray vision. There was a lot of hardware in there, but it’s best not to think too realistically about the bionics and biology combo; just accept that it looked really cool, as it should have.

The secondary storyline of Lionel pulling the blackmail scam on Martha was surprisingly, impressive. We don’t often see a lot of focus on the two of them, but I think the chemistry between Annette O’Toole and John Glover has never been better or more electric. Lionel is still the king of ulterior motives, and he’s wasting no time in moving in on Martha. Martha is in the difficult but interesting position of having to be strong and decisive in her new role as State Senator, and at the same time, she’s still very recently widowed and grieving. Annette’s really meeting the challenge, as evidenced by her scene at the fireplace when she burned the disc. Her insecurities of being alone and continued sadness at the loss of Jonathan surfaced with quiet tears.

Lex deceiving Clark about his real role in Victor’s situation helped to reveal just how much further he is slipping into darkness. Michael Rosenbaum has such a wonderful handle on delivering us a smooth talking, but intensely menacing Lex. Lex’s patience for Clark barging in to the mansion and firing off accusations is clearly starting to wane. I thought it was a nice touch to have Lex, walk out on Clark, for a change. This is a newer, meaner, and more dangerous Lex. I’ll miss the old Lex, but this new guy is going to make for a lot of fun viewing.

Granted, I’m a sentimental sucker, but I loved seeing Clark, Lana, and Chloe all working together for once. This is the type of regular character interaction I’d enjoy seeing more of. Throw in Lex being evil, an interesting storyline for Martha and Lionel, and a talented guest actor, and it’s obvious why this episode worked so well. Everything just clicked into place in this one.

Can I say anything that will do justice to how awesome that final scene with Lionel was? Or was it, as many are speculating, really Jor-El still inhabiting Lionel’s body? Between his “my son” line in Vengeance and this week’s declaration that, “Kal-El, your secret’s safe with me,” it’s no wonder speculations are running rampant. I tend to think he’s still our favorite Bad Daddy, back at his usual game. I have a hard time believing that Jor-El would be sniffing around Martha so much. It’s also conceivable that Lionel could have figured out the situation with Clark since his character has always had an uncanny knowledge of everybody’s business.

What Didn’t Work:
It’s refreshing to have to struggle a bit to come up with something that didn’t work in an episode. There were a few things that required the old disbelief suspenders to be pulled up higher than normal. Victor’s “bleeding” out for one. So he was a quart or two low, and on the brink of black-goo exsanguination, but he’s still able to run from Smallville to Metropolis to find his girlfriend? I didn’t think his running in the opening sequence indicated that he possessed very impressive super-speed. Also, I can only imagine what Lois is going to say when she returns to find her couch covered in the black-goo.

The return of dramatic opera music for a closing scene is a little heavy-handed. But honestly, I kind of liked it.

The loft scene between Clark and Lana didn’t bother me just on the basis of being yet another loft scene, but it just wasn’t all that well done. It was entirely too ambiguous and left more questions than it answered. Unlike a lot of other people I find it perfectly believable that a couple can take a “break” in their relationship, and then resume being together. Lana questioning if Clark still loved her is not all that unreasonable given the distance between them that continues to get worse and not better. Of course, we know why, but her confusion is understandable. Sadly, Clark’s response to her of “I’ve always loved you, and I always will love you, no matter what,” was delivered in a way that sounded like he was talking to himself more than he was to her. If that wasn’t the end of them romantically, then it was certainly the precursor and I think they both realized it at the end of that scene.

I can accept Martha being duped by Lionel in this episode, because she’s in a particularly vulnerable state of mind right now and being overwhelmed by life. I only hope that they don’t continue to make her so gullible to everything he may try to pull on her. Martha is supposed to be a smart lady, let’s hope they don’t forget that.

Rating:
Not a perfect episode, but close enough to warrant 5 prosthetic limbs out of 5. Victor is a character who would be a pleasure to see again in a future episode. I hope someone takes note of the truly fine job he did. The other characters were all represented in just about a perfect balance. Clark and Lana took what looks like a final step towards ending their ill-fated relationship. Lex is further embracing his quest for power and arrogance. And Lionel is just bad-ass Lionel again…or, not.

Superman Nods:
This is Superhulk’s area of expertise moreso than mine, but I thought that having Victor refer to Clark as a “Hero” was an especially nice touch. Clark also had a good *wink-wink* line when he said to Victor, “I can do a lot of things.”

[Scooter]

Good review.

[Mister J]

Great analysis. I agree with nearly every word. There wasn't much to complain about.

[Jay1/2Dub]

Nice review!!

I think they showed Lana cleaning up in Lois' apt. That's another thing Clark just walked right into Lois' apt, does he still have his spare key, from Exposed?? I think that's a future foreshadowing of the midnight booty call :o

[Squatlow]

... it’s no wonder speculations are running rampant. I tend to think he’s still our favorite Bad Daddy, back at his usual game. I have a hard time believing that Jor-El would be sniffing around Martha so much.

I agree Serene. I don't believe Jor-El would 'sniff' around Martha so much.

On the other hand, I think Brainiac just might...

I believe we'll find out that current Lionel is actually Brainiac gathering as much knowledge as possible to formulate a plan to either convert Kal-El to 'Zod-ism' or kill him if that fails. Thats his prime directive at this point in time. And we've already seen Brainiac become 'black oil' and reform as Fine, so no stretch to reform as Lionel or anyone else for that matter.

So if Brainiac=Lionel, where is the real Lionel? Uh, having tea with Jor-El in the FOS? Locked in the ship (where ever it is)? Yeah, thats it. Locked in the ship. Oh wait, most excellent idea just popped into small brain. Lionel is in the Phantom Zone (courtesy of Brainiac) having tea with Zod. OK, that clears it all up for me. Not sure I've helped the rest of you, but there it is, take it or leave it.

Anyway, thats my theory and I'm sticking to it...

:D :D

[GothicPowerMix1]

^^^^ I think Lionel set the whole thing up Max, just to gain Martha's trust in him.

& watch Lionel eventually piss off Lex again & this time Lex will go to Martha telling her a few secrets about Lionel :up: Which will be Lexs way of getting back at Lionel

[Spare-Flair]

Aqua really pissed me off, because they made Aqua's abilities match Clark's in some ways.

Hey, the other members of the Justice League have to have some some abilities that make them "special" when compared to Superman.

For instance, the Flash can run faster than Superman and do various things via vibrating his molecules faster than Superman ever could. I'd also assume that Aquaman (as pathetic a character he is) would be a better swimmer or former of underwater kinetic energy attacks.

[BaK]

don't get a lot of TV I assume. (greatest TV ep I've ever seen)... You know sv is good, it's not that good though
smallvile is a great tv show.. other shows suck..

[Gmanofsteel]

It would be great to see Clark piece together a story before Chloe someday, and that could get him started on the journalism thing again.
For some time i've been annoyed home much Chloe has had to help him. IT is like the plot can't move on unless she does something. She's like the smallville writer's crutch.

[Mister J]

Chloe's getting on my nerves (of course, that's not new). Similar to the "Redhead to Heaven" sentiment on the Spidey boards, I'm proposing "Dirtnap for Blondie". She's not necessary and they do use her as a crutch.

[rumpuso]

In regards to Lionel saying, "Your secret is safe with me, Kal-el."

An interesting theory being bandied about on the boards at KSite is that the events in Arrival, with the two Kryptonians announcing to anyone and everyone in Smallville that they are searching for Kal-el, may have lead Lionel to put the pieces together and deduce finally after seeing Clark save Lana in the firestorm that he must be the mysterious Kal-el from another planet.

[Mister J]

Oh, Lionel definately knows more than what they've shown. Hosting Jor-El's body, the entire Key issue, the caves history of Neman and Segeth, etc. He's pieced some things together and I'm sure he has ideas. In Vengeance when Clark raced across the room to pull him back in the window, he didn't say "Hey, weren't you just way the hell over there?", he just carried on as usual. Oh, Daddy Luthor definately knows something.

[Gmanofsteel]

Chloe's getting on my nerve (of course, that's not new). Similar to the "Redhead to Heaven" sentiment on the Spidey boards, I'm proposing "Dirtnap for Blondie". She's not necessary and they do use her as a crutch.
lol what he said ^ :up:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/2450/chloecrutch6gx.png

[PenguinDust]

I think this past Thursday’s episode, “Cyborg,” was a fine one. I don’t think it was as good as the Flash’s appearance in “Run” but that maybe because I am more a fan of the Flash character than I am of the Teen Titans (or more precisely the TTs of the 70s – 90s.) On the other hand I do feel this episode was better written than the other super-hero guest star episodes. But, then again, maybe that was because of the exceptional acting chops of Lee Thompson Young and a more experienced Tom Welling. Wow, I am so wishy-washy this morning. :O

I see that many of the comments here call for a Cyborg series as opposed to the planned Aquaman one currently in production. While I am unsure of how the super-fish series will unfold, I do believe that a Cyborg series would actually be viewed by the greater public as a remake of the “6 Million Dollar Man.” A hip, urbanized hero with attitude. He's edgy, he's "in your face." You've heard the expression "let's get busy"? Well, this is a hero who gets "biz-zay!" Consistently and thoroughly. He’s extremely proactive. Or so I fear that is how it would be perceived. Even in this episode, the writers could resist putting in many references to the old Lee Majors series…hmm both actors were named Lee.

Finally, I don’t think the final few words of Lionel Luthor indicate that he is in anyway currently Jor-el. I am not dismissing the theory that Lionel may have retained some memory (although I would hope that to be untrue) from his various run-ins with Kryptonian proto-culture. Unless one actually accepts that Jor-el, through their bargain, gave Jonathan Kent a heart condition, and then, in the guise of Lionel, proceeded to initiate J. Kent’s death, and is now worming his way into Martha Kent’s trust, all for the purpose to guiding Clark down the road to become Kal-el…well, I just don’t see it since it would make Jor-el as despicable and manipulative as regular Lionel.

By the way, Clark is constantly breaking in to Luthor Corps buildings and other places, how come in all that time; this seems to be the only surveillance camera footage of him in action? If he is too fast to be properly recorded, then what about when he stops to either rescue someone or avert some peril? Wouldn’t he then be seen as blinking in out of thin air? Wouldn’t that alert someone that he is unusual? :confused:

[GothicPowerMix1]

In regards to Lionel saying, "Your secret is safe with me, Kal-el."

An interesting theory being bandied about on the boards at KSite is that the events in Arrival, with the two Kryptonians announcing to anyone and everyone in Smallville that they are searching for Kal-el, may have lead Lionel to put the pieces together and deduce finally after seeing Clark save Lana in the firestorm that he must be the mysterious Kal-el from another planet.

Wow something sane & possible from ksite :eek:

[Mister J]

Wow something sane & possible from ksite :eek:

I agree. That board is...something else.

[LarryLegend]

Hey now no dirtnap for chloe but thanks for the redhead to heaven shout out.

[Super_Ludacris]

That fake ass Veronica Mars needs to get murked on some "Unfourtanate Accident" type ****

[dark_b]

By the way, Clark is constantly breaking in to Luthor Corps buildings and other places, how come in all that time; this seems to be the only surveillance camera footage of him in action? If he is too fast to be properly recorded, then what about when he stops to either rescue someone or avert some peril? Wouldn’t he then be seen as blinking in out of thin air? Wouldn’t that alert someone that he is unusual? :confused:everything has flaws. even SV. but it dont bother me to much since the last line of lionel.

lionel rocks :up::)

[GothicPowerMix1]

By the way, Clark is constantly breaking in to Luthor Corps buildings and other places, how come in all that time; this seems to be the only surveillance camera footage of him in action? If he is too fast to be properly recorded, then what about when he stops to either rescue someone or avert some peril? Wouldn’t he then be seen as blinking in out of thin air? Wouldn’t that alert someone that he is unusual? :confused:

You know I can just picture Lex now whenever Lex knows that Clark knows hes doing something bad I bet Lex thinks every day

"Clark is going to bust in any time now"

Just like how it looked like Lex was waiting for Clark to show up in Cyborg. Clark is going to need to be more careful. Lex & Lana are both getting used to him do all these weird things & will one day completely see something.

[user123456789]

Hey, the other members of the Justice League have to have some some abilities that make them "special" when compared to Superman.

For instance, the Flash can run faster than Superman and do various things via vibrating his molecules faster than Superman ever could. I'd also assume that Aquaman (as pathetic a character he is) would be a better swimmer or former of underwater kinetic energy attacks.

I totally understand dude. Thats why I didn't mention Run, because the Flash is supposed to be faster than Superman... ALOT faster.

I agree with you about Aquaman. In the water, he's KING. However, they should have given them a minor land to land battle, to show whose the BIG MAN of the earth ^^.

[Savage]

...Just a quick question here. Really sorry if this comes off as insulting. Don't mean it to. But have any of you read an issue of Aquaman? Or are you refering to as a character on the show or what...

[user123456789]

...Just a quick question here. Really sorry if this comes off as insulting. Don't mean it to. But have any of you read an issue of Aquaman? Or are you refering to as a character on the show or what...

I've never read a comic book in my life, and whenever i mention Aquaman, its the Smallville representation of him. :up:

[PeteVenkman]

I don't mind that Aquaman was better than clark in the water... he definitely should've been the better swimmer. I thought the water-kinetic things should've been something that clark dodged and AC swam away before Clark had a chance to catch him. AC was pretty astounded at how Clark "jacketed that C4." so they did show that AC was basically only good in water, which is how it should be. Superman isn't the best because he's got the best of every power, its because he has all the powers at his disposal that makes him so great. He'd lose a race to the flash, be outswam by aquaman, out thought by Batman etc, but he has all those abilities that make him better than the sum of his parts.

[Savage]

I've never read a comic book in my life, and whenever i mention Aquaman, its the Smallville representation of him. :up:
Yup. kinda figured. Just askin.

[user123456789]

Yup. kinda figured. Just askin.

np. have you read aquaman comics? could you tell us the differences in the comics & SV world? what are your opinions of the episode?

[Savage]

np. have you read aquaman comics? could you tell us the differences in the comics & SV world? what are your opinions of the episode?
I liked the episode honestly. I loved seeing one of the big leaguers with Supes (Flash doesn't count imo). Just wetting my appetite for a Batman guest spot. :) I didn't think the actor did such a bad job as everybody said. He did enough to show Arthur's arrogance and his playful nature at that age. I didn't expect him to be anything like the fierce warrior he is in the comics currently or anything so I was happy. Although I wish they started the fight on land first and had it progress to the water. Despite what people say, Aquaman CAN go toe to toe with Superman on land. He'd lose garunteed, yes, but he'd last as much as Superman would underwater (where he has equally no chance of beating Aquaman).

Just my 2-cents on the ep. =) I only brought it up because of the constant berating the character keeps getting and I got tired of hearing it. The guy is much tougher than people give him credit for.

[user123456789]

I saw an episode of Superman:TAS and it featured Aquaman. That guy had such a powerful presence and commanding voice. Not to mention he was a King and brought his fleet to kick Luthors ass, lol.

[Savage]

Yeah, shoulda seen him on Justice League. Guy cut off his own hand to save his kid and attatched a hook to it. Came in riding on a whale with a fleet of sharks behind him. Just badass stuff. If you don't read the comics, you should at least check out Justice League.

[Scooter]

^ I saw that. Awesome.

[Ratcrawler]

I think out of Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg, Cy has been my favorite so far. Flash's acting skills left something to be desired and Aquaman was basically a pissy environmentalist.

I do kind of hope that for the last episode, they all team up (with future guest star heroes) and take on the, Lex, Brainiac, Mr. Mpxyltcgjtdxrw...whatever his name was.

[MJZ]

Cybog was definitely the best, followed by Aquaman. Kid Flash was just an annoying little brat. A Wally West around Clark's age would've been ideal.

[user123456789]

Yeah, shoulda seen him on Justice League. Guy cut off his own hand to save his kid and attatched a hook to it. Came in riding on a whale with a fleet of sharks behind him. Just badass stuff. If you don't read the comics, you should at least check out Justice League.

what was the name of this episode?

[Savage]

The Enemy Below 1 and 2.

[user123456789]

The Enemy Below 1 and 2.

do you have it on your computer by any chance? (if torrents or my p2p software doesn't have it)

[Savage]

Not anymore. Used to have all the episodes. Had to clear space. I got it off a p2p program though so they should still have it. Even got some Batman eps while I was at it. I love the internet. :-D

[The Caped Knight]

Superheroes on Smallville

I'll rank them

(1) ["Run"] Bart Allen/Kid Flash TEEN TITANS

(2) ["Cyborg"] Victor Stone/Cyborg TEEN TITANS

(3) ["Aqua"] Arthur Curry/Aquaman JUSTICE LEAGUE

[user123456789]

Superheroes on Smallville

I'll rank them

(1) ["Run"] Bart Allen/Kid Flash TEEN TITANS

(2) ["Cyborg"] Victor Stone/Cyborg TEEN TITANS

(3) ["Aqua"] Arthur Curry/Aquaman JUSTICE LEAGUE

I thought the Flash we got on smallville was the Justice League one?

Was that a mistake on our (the fans) part, or TPTB?

[vyperman7]

The Flash starts the Justice League, so why would he be listed under Teen Titans? While the version on Smallville did not go by any of the Flash names like Barry Allen or Wally West, it was still an incarnation of the Flash.

Run will probably always be the best guest hero episode. There was great interaction between Clark and Bart, a lot of various scenes with power displays, and a great send off. Plus, the episode felt like it was centered around the two of them. You did not have lame subplots like Lex destroying marine life or Clark and Lana's relationship troubles. There were smaller plots in Run like with Lex and the manuscript, but it really didn't take away from the episode at all. Both Aqua and Cyborg were logged down with sub plots that took away from the interaction between Clark and the guest hero, as well as the power displays on behalf of the guest hero.

In Cyborg, Thompson did an awesome job with the character, but he had such a limited amount of scenes, and there really wasn't that many displays of his strength. We got a quick scene with Lana's car, Victor throwing Clark into the wall, and the two of them jumping off the building.

Aqua was just a mediocre episode overall. The subplot was lame, and the actor who played AC was terrible. Plus, Aquaman has always been one of the most boring superheroes out there.

As a whole Cyborg was a decent episode and much better than I thought it would be. The ending, Thompson's performance, and evil Lex were all great. I just didn't think that there was enough interaction between Clark and Victor, enough action/displays of power, and too much focus on the Clana. I would still give it an 8/10 just for the ending though.

My ranking :

1) Run
2) Cyborg
3) Aqua

[Mister J]

I thought the Flash we got on smallville was the Justice League one?

Was that a mistake on our (the fans) part, or TPTB?

Well, he said his real name was Bart Allen (Impulse/Kid Flash). He also had ID's that said Jay Garrick, Barry Allen and Wally West. I didn't see the need to separate the names like that unless it was to directly point to the Titans character.

[user123456789]

The Flash starts the Justice League


REALLY? wtf?? Can you tell me more please!

[Mister J]

REALLY? wtf?? Can you tell me more please!

He means Flash was a founding member.

[user123456789]

He means Flash was a founding member.

ah ok... i always thought Superman created the JL. I'm downloading the first episode of JLU right now to see.

[The Caped Knight]

The Flash starts the Justice League, so why would he be listed under Teen Titans? While the version on Smallville did not go by any of the Flash names like Barry Allen or Wally West, it was still an incarnation of the Flash.



The Flash on JL & JLU is Wally West/The Flash (http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/animated.html) {In my opinion The best Flash ever.}

On Smallville it was Bart Allen/Kid Flash (http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/bart.html) While one day he will become The next in line to become The Scarlet Speedster, he got a long way to go. For now he is Kid Flash a member of The TEEN TITANS.

[vyperman7]

I see your point Kal-El. On one hard you're right.

I always saw it as a JLU association because it is an incarnation of the Flash. Clark Kent on Smallville has a long way to go to become Supes, but that doesn't mean that he won't be Supes one day. That is just my opinion though and everyone is entitled to it.

To be honest, I don't follow the comics of JLU that closely, and I don't know squat about Teen Titans. I just know the basic facts in regards to the JLU. The only DC character I have ever been a fan of is Supes. Batman is cool I guess, but I only know what I have learned from the films (which probably isn't that accurate, and a little reading on the net).

[Proteus-X312]

The Flash starts the Justice League, so why would he be listed under Teen Titans? While the version on Smallville did not go by any of the Flash names like Barry Allen or Wally West, it was still an incarnation of the Flash.

Run will probably always be the best guest hero episode. There was great interaction between Clark and Bart, a lot of various scenes with power displays, and a great send off. Plus, the episode felt like it was centered around the two of them. You did not have lame subplots like Lex destroying marine life or Clark and Lana's relationship troubles. There were smaller plots in Run like with Lex and the manuscript, but it really didn't take away from the episode at all. Both Aqua and Cyborg were logged down with sub plots that took away from the interaction between Clark and the guest hero, as well as the power displays on behalf of the guest hero.

In Cyborg, Thompson did an awesome job with the character, but he had such a limited amount of scenes, and there really wasn't that many displays of his strength. We got a quick scene with Lana's car, Victor throwing Clark into the wall, and the two of them jumping off the building.

Aqua was just a mediocre episode overall. The subplot was lame, and the actor who played AC was terrible. Plus, Aquaman has always been one of the most boring superheroes out there.

As a whole Cyborg was a decent episode and much better than I thought it would be. The ending, Thompson's performance, and evil Lex were all great. I just didn't think that there was enough interaction between Clark and Victor, enough action/displays of power, and too much focus on the Clana. I would still give it an 8/10 just for the ending though.

My ranking :

1) Run
2) Cyborg
3) Aqua
Run was a great episode.It was also one of the best episodes of last season.Cyborg was good but it definitely suffered from minimal action and also the thing I'm tired of is Lionel Luthor constantly rambling to Martha Kent about how he can be there for her and blah,blah,blah,WHO CARES!!!
They should've killed Lionel off a long time ago.

[Union Jack]

i liked lionel in this one...and the end to cyborg definatly leaves a big question mark over whats going on with him...

its nice to see lex becoming the lex we all know and hate

[triplet]

I love Lionel and what a killer cliff-hanger for the end of new eps until next month...

[vyperman7]

I love Lionel and what a killer cliff-hanger for the end of new eps until next month...

I agree that the ending was awesome, and that it was an awesome way to head into the break. But it takes more than an amazing ending, to make an amazing episode. The episode did have its good points. But it was bogged down by sub plots (Clana for example), that took away from the episode as a whole. There was not enough action. For a guy on the run, Victor sure did a lot of sitting around.. LOL I wanted more power displays from Victor. All we got was the beginning with Lana's car, Clark getting throw into the wall, and the dual jump off the building. The episode was better than I thought it would be, and Thompson had the best performance out of the three guest heroes. I just wish that he would have had more scenes, and been able to do more with the character.

Triplet, did you notice that Victor's girlfriend, was the cheerleader Mandy from Truth?.. LOL

[user123456789]

I agree that the ending was awesome, and that it was an awesome way to head into the break. But it takes more than an amazing ending, to make an amazing episode. The episode did have its good points. But it was bogged down by sub plots (Clana for example), that took away from the episode as a whole. There was not enough action. For a guy on the run, Victor sure did a lot of sitting around.. LOL I wanted more power displays from Victor. All we got was the beginning with Lana's car, Clark getting throw into the wall, and the dual jump off the building. The episode was better than I thought it would be, and Thompson had the best performance out of the three guest heroes. I just wish that he would have had more scenes, and been able to do more with the character.

Triplet, did you notice that Victor's girlfriend, was the cheerleader Mandy from Truth?.. LOL

-why do you think clana is a subplot that doesn't add to the episode? they writers are further progressing that storyline... and i think they did it beautifully.

-not enough action? i agree, but what can we do? its a TV show with a TV budget. we have no idea how much each SFX shot costs, let alone the production costs of an episode alone.

[KalKai]

Sometimes people expect too much from SV and forget that it's just a 40 minutes show.

[AgentPat]

Sometimes people expect too much from SV and forget that it's just a 40 minutes show.LOL! Regarding expectations, I *just* said pretty much the same thing in another thread. Except my last sentence was, "It's just a movie. Can we all try to remember that?" HAHAHAHA!! Too funny. :up: :D

[triplet]

Triplet, did you notice that Victor's girlfriend, was the cheerleader Mandy from Truth?.. LOL

Nope, I didn't notice that but they've reused bit part players before...

[Mike_D202]

The Flash on JL & JLU is Wally West/The Flash (http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/animated.html) {In my opinion The best Flash ever.}

On Smallville it was Bart Allen/Kid Flash (http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/bart.html) While one day he will become The next in line to become The Scarlet Speedster, he got a long way to go. For now he is Kid Flash a member of The TEEN TITANS.

But didnt the flash on Smallville have different IDs with both Wally West AND Bart Allen names??

[The Caped Knight]

But didnt the flash on Smallville have different IDs with both Wally West AND Bart Allen names??

Doesn't matter his real name is Bart Allen & his origin is very close to The comics , He's Kid Flash nuff said.

[Gmanofsteel]

sv "flash" - teen titan
sv aquaman - JLA
sv cyborg - teen titan

[Darthphere]

Doesn't matter his real name is Bart Allen & his origin is very close to The comics , He's Kid Flash nuff said.


We really cant say definitively that his name is Bart Allen. That could just be the alias he stuck with.

[PeteVenkman]

I'm pretty sure the aliases on the IDs was just a reference to the previous flashes. Yeah, he had fake ID's but he seemed pretty flashy *no pun intended* with his powers to Clark, and just about everyone else that episode. I don't see why he'd hide who he is like that (lying about his name) when a large part of the reason he was in the episode episode was to encourage clark to be more comfortable with who HE is and his abilities. For him to be give a fake name to someone he really befriends seems counter-intuitive to the "have fun with the powers you have" mentality he showed.

[Darthphere]

Yeah i see, I was using comic book continuity instead of Smallville. My argument was that Bart wouldnt be a teen anymore by the time Clark becomes Superman but thats if this was the comics, were talking about Smallville.

[PeteVenkman]

Oh yeah... i would've much rather seen Wally West, than Bart. But Smallville is its own universe so I can deal, it doesn't really take away from the episode, just sets up a different future, which sometimes is really cool to think about.

[Warhammer]

On Run, i thought that it was truly Barry Allen or Wally West.
I dont believe that he is Bart Allen.

Continuity is all wrong.

Thats what i think.

[Savage]

I've always figured Bart got off at the wrong stop on his time machine. Maybe fixed it by going into the future about 10 or 15 years after...Either that or Bart could be the nickname he likes being called cause he doesn't like the name Barry or something...Either way we got The Flash on Smallville...one of them.

[triplet]

Did someone paste this from the TV Guide's Watercooler? If so, I guess I missed it so I'm posting it again...

http://www.tvguide.com/tv/watercooler/

Smallville
I don't know about you, but I loved this episode. A few things: 1) Aquaman Shmaquaman. I want a Cyborg series right now! Hear that, CW execs? Come on: Lee Thompson Young will be available. (Sorry dude, that South Beach is baaaad.) 2) "Your secret's safe with me, Kal-El." Ex-squeeze me, what did you just say, Lionel? 3) Please explain to me how Lex Luthor did not win the state senate race. He can sound so convincing feigning innocence to Clark, and then in the next breath the liar's busy being bad. Really, really bad. Like playing with people's lives (and almost deaths) bad. 4) What's up with Lana and Clark? Are they broken up now? Because I'm still not sure. I think somebody's going to need to hit me over the head with the breakup anvil. Spell it out for me. The sooner the better.

I loved Victor and Clark working together — the tandem jump off the building was cool. The tug-of-war between Kent and his former buddy Lex over this half-man, half-machine was laced with the appropriate amount of sarcasm and mistrust. Victor's not wanting to tell his girlfriend that he's not only alive but is a $6 billion bionic man had to hit home with Clark. But at least he got his reunion at the end. I'm sorry, but can't the Teen Titan and the former Famous Jett Jackson stick around, or at the very least come back for another round? And did you read the most recent Ask Ausiello? We're not getting a new Smallville until March 30. I'll start trying to accept this right now, but please promise me that when the show does come back, James Marsters will be present and accounted for. I need something to get me through the next five or six weeks. — Bettina Charles

[The Incredible Hulk]

Hulk will probably post his own Cyborg review when he gets back, but since I wrote this up anyway, I'm going to post it.


Smallville Episode 5-14 Review: “Cyborg”

Apparently, and for reasons I can’t fathom, Superhulk has prioritized hula girls and warm sand beaches over watching and reviewing this week’s episode. Hmph, some fan he is. So you’re stuck with me, for now, but don’t worry he’ll be back all sunburnt and sated next week.


LOL Yes, I did forsake Smallville one week for the allure of 80 degree weather, a snorkel mask, and mai tai's. :D

Just watched the episode now, and I have to say that I couldnt agree more, and dont fell the need to really add much at all to what you said. I better not take too many more vacations, or you could have my job :)

I did enjoy the tongue in cheek references to the 6 Million Dollar Man though. Dont know if I should be sad that I'm actually old enough to remember that show... :p

[AgentPat]

LOL Yes, I did forsake Smallville one week for the allure of 80 degree weather, a snorkel mask, and mai tai's. :D

Just watched the episode now, and I have to say that I couldn't agree more, and don't fell the need to really add much at all to what you said. I better not take too many more vacations, or you could have my job :)

I did enjoy the tongue in cheek references to the 6 Million Dollar Man though. Don't know if I should be sad that I'm actually old enough to remember that show... :pYou kidding? I LMAO at those reference. You aint THAT old. :mad: :p

I think this was one of the few episodes that everybody pretty much agreed on. It was well done, and well acted. And a big 10-4 to everybody who thinks THIS should have been the spin off character, not Aquaman. Why? Why? Somebody explain that to me? The Cyborg actor (I forgot his name - sorry) could swim circles around Aquadude. (Yes, I realize they got a different actor for the series, but still.) I REALLY *REALLY* liked Cyborg dude. *sniff* :(

[AgentPat]

Oh, and a note to the director: unless casting sends you a guest star who's at least 6' tall, don't frame a long shot of 'em standing next to Welling. It's REALLY noticeable dude. LOLThank you!! I knew you would notice that, Pat. You're talking about the long shot in the loft when Victor and Clark are facing each other, right? Holy Smokes! Talk about dwarfing your co-star. Might as well just stick a water tower next to the poor guy.

It was very noticeable. Damn it was sweet, though. :)http://www.patcostello.com/temp/cyborg4.jpg

I let out a big chuckle when I saw that scene. My husband still has no clue what I was laughing at. Heh.

Seriously though, they SHOULDN'T do that! Unless they want to make him intimidating, they should know by NOW that Welling TOWERS over everybody else; he utterly dwarfs people in full frame two-shots. Now, on one hand, that's rather cool. Sweet, even LOL. But I wouldn't want to be the MALE guest star *ahem* in those situations. Doesn't look so good, y'know? LOLOLOL :p

[LadyVader]

The episode was ok, especially the ending but there was one little bit of dialogue that really bugged me. It was when lex Luthor said that if he discovers that someone has been messing around on the job, he will take the necessary measures, and then Clark says: If you don't, I will.
Hello?
Aren't you supposed to be a college drop-out? What kind of pull do you have in the real world? I feel like Clark got a little to cocky, which I'm not sure if I like or not. On one hand it's good that he has a little backbone, on the other physical power should not be a reason to gloat or act like an arrogant SOB.

On a related note, are the Aquaman and Smallville series placed in the same universe, cause if they are I'd sure love for Victor or Bart Allen to show up in that series too.

[Proteus-X312]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/cyborg4.jpg

I let out a big chuckle when I saw that scene. My husband still has no clue what I was laughing at. Heh.

Seriously though, they SHOULDN'T do that! Unless they want to make him intimidating, they should know by NOW that Welling TOWERS over everybody else; he utterly dwarfs people in full frame two-shots. Now, on one hand, that's rather cool. Sweet, even LOL. But I wouldn't want to be the MALE guest star *ahem* in those situations. Doesn't look so good, y'know? LOLOLOL :pYeah Tom is huge and he is'nt even standing directly in front of Victor in that pic.Daniel Cudmore(Colossus in X2 and 3) is a mountain too.

[avidreader]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/cyborg4.jpg

I let out a big chuckle when I saw that scene. My husband still has no clue what I was laughing at. Heh.

Seriously though, they SHOULDN'T do that! Unless they want to make him intimidating, they should know by NOW that Welling TOWERS over everybody else; he utterly dwarfs people in full frame two-shots. Now, on one hand, that's rather cool. Sweet, even LOL. But I wouldn't want to be the MALE guest star *ahem* in those situations. Doesn't look so good, y'know? LOLOLOL :p

I think that looks absolutely fantastic. :up: :) He's SUPERMAN. :supes:

*****

Lady Vader if I was at home I would watch that scene again, 'cause I think you may have misunderstood what was being said. No way did Clark come off arrogant in that scene. He was a man on a mission to get to the bottom of something he believed was wrong.

[RakuMon]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/cyborg4.jpg

I let out a big chuckle when I saw that scene. My husband still has no clue what I was laughing at. Heh.

Seriously though, they SHOULDN'T do that! Unless they want to make him intimidating, they should know by NOW that Welling TOWERS over everybody else; he utterly dwarfs people in full frame two-shots. Now, on one hand, that's rather cool. Sweet, even LOL. But I wouldn't want to be the MALE guest star *ahem* in those situations. Doesn't look so good, y'know? LOLOLOL :p

Ya know, I didn't mind that Clark was significantly taller than Cyborg. I think it helps play up the fact that he's older than him. While they didn't specifically mention Vic's age, I think they left the door open enough that he was a few years younger than Clark, which makes relative sense in the scheme of things.

[AgentPat]

Ya know, I didn't mind that Clark was significantly taller than Cyborg. I think it helps play up the fact that he's older than him. While they didn't specifically mention Vic's age, I think they left the door open enough that he was a few years younger than Clark, which makes relative sense in the scheme of things.How much younger could he be though (in terms of the character)? Fifteen? Clark is eighteen, right? Both would probably be at their approximately adult heights at that age, right?

But hey, it's neither here nor there. The fact that it was so in-your-face obvious just struck me as being really funny, that's all. I usually don't pick up on that kind of thing till a second or third viewing. Perhaps it was intentional, I dunno. Don't get me wrong... I LOVE the fact Welling is as huge as he is. Like his wardrobe colors, his size is a constant visual reminder to the audience that this guy is super in more ways than just one.

[triplet]

The thing is he can't be that much younger than Clark since he played Clark the previous year in football...

If Victor had been a freshman that year, he'd be about 3 years younger than Clark I guess...

[PeteVenkman]

As of right now clarks gotta be 19 or 20, him being a freshmen in the first season would put him at about 15, and its been about five years Smallville time.

Didn't they talk about playing each other in football, so they must have been in high school at the same time. I'd say that at the youngest, Vic could be 16, but he'd have to be a damn good football player to play varsity and have enough impact that people know about him specifically for football... and the fact that he died.

Welling is truly of superman proportions in that shot. Vic is probably thinking "don't piss this guy off, i don't have a chance."

EDIT: Beat me to it Trip

[triplet]

Clark was supposed to be 15 in the Pilot but even though this is the 5th season, he's not five years older than he was in that season. I mean, the first season started in October 2001 and it's been a little over 4 years since then...

So he's either 19 or about to turn 19.

He hadn't yet turned 19 in Hidden because he identified himself as 18 and an adult when talking to his parents about getting caught with Lana. Later in the episode the paramedics identified him to the doctors as "an 18 year old"...

I would imagine his birthday might have happened by now, however... So Clark is probably 19.

[AgentPat]

They "age" Clark one year every season. He was eighteen in Hidden - he said so when Jonathan and Martha caught him trying to sneak Lana out of the house at 6:30am. Clark should be coming up on his nineteenth birthday soon. They mentioned it near the end of the season (Calling and Talisman) in past years.

[AgentPat]

LOL! Jinx! :p

Trip's beating everybody to the punch, I see.

[triplet]

:D :up:

I'm talented that way...

[PeteVenkman]

Hah, I totally forgot about the discussion in Hidden. I don't even know what i was thinking. I'm not twenty one yet and i'm a junior in college.... i shoulda just thought about my own age as a freshmen. lol.

[avidreader]

For some reason, I think they wanted to make him younger than all the girls.

Lois is about 20 or 21
Lana would have turned 19 at the beginning of the Season, as she had her 18th at the beginning of Season 4.
Chloe had her 18th birthday in episode 8 last year. So one would assume that she's already turned 19.

Clark, as Pat said, has his birthday around episode 19 or 20. Which means given the information we got from Hidden, will be turning 19 then.

[The Sage]

I've always figured Bart got off at the wrong stop on his time machine. Maybe fixed it by going into the future about 10 or 15 years after...Either that or Bart could be the nickname he likes being called cause he doesn't like the name Barry or something...Either way we got The Flash on Smallville...one of them.

Ironically, that's the same rationale I used for Run, the time machine thought. He's from the future so him doing some time jumping into CK's younger years works.

[Scooter]

Huh, Cyborg-guy looks 5'8", 5'9". They definitely had him up on a box for a few scenes.

[user123456789]

Ironically, that's the same rationale I used for Run, the time machine thought. He's from the future so him doing some time jumping into CK's younger years works.

TPTB should have added some innuendos then, to show "Bart" knows Clarks destiny/future. :supes:

[AgentPat]

Huh, Cyborg-guy looks 5'8", 5'9". The definitely had up on a box for a few scenes.Ya think?

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/cyborg4.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/cyborg6.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/cyborg5.jpg

LOL!! :p

[LadyVader]

He's a cyborg! Maybe he has springs in his shoes or expansive legs or something!
:)

[Scooter]

Ya think?

LOL!! :p

Just wanted to provoke some 'caps outta ya...

:)

[tonytr1687]

Not all of the heroes have to be the same height as Clark. If they were Supes wouldn't tower over everyone like he's supposed to. The only DC heroes that really demand the tall factor are Supes and Batman.

[user123456789]

Not all of the heroes have to be the same height as Clark. If they were Supes wouldn't tower over everyone like he's supposed to. The only DC heroes that really demand the tall factor are Supes and Batman.

dont forget green lantern & wonder woman