5.15 Cyborg - Disussion Thread (Spoilers) [Archive]

Lt. Figgnuts

12-11-2005, 10:49 AM

I dunno how I feel about this one...

...mostly because Cyborg is a Teen Titan. He first becomes a Teen Titan long after Superman is active, if I remember correctly. Are they going to stick with continuity and make him a little kid, or are they going to fudge with it so that he's Clark's age?

And I imagine that they wouldn't name the episode "Cyborg" if there wasn't an actual cyborg involved - simply for the fact that people not familiar with the DC universe would be extremely confused if the episode was called Cyborg and the "freak of the week" (as it were) wasn't an actual cyborg.

Two things I'm wondering are:

1.) Why Cyborg? Why not one of the other, more recognizable DCU heroes?

2.) What does Cyborg have to teach Clark about being a hero? So far, the future heroes of the DCU - Aquaman and Flash - who have showed up have had something to teach Clark. Flash taught Clark that he needs to use his powers responsibly (and vice versa) and Aquaman taught Clark to start thinking globally instead of locally.

I'm REALLY skeptical of this one until I hear more about it - especially since we've already gotten a "hero" episode this year (Aqua) and we've got another one with a "new" hero later on (Vengeance).

Brainiac 8

12-11-2005, 10:55 AM

My guess is that he's the one they picked because he has not major motion picture deal in the works right now. It's ok, I'm pretty psyked about it!:up:

AgentPat

12-11-2005, 11:05 AM

...What does Cyborg have to teach Clark about being a hero? So far, the future heroes of the DCU - Aquaman and Flash - who have showed up have had something to teach Clark. Flash taught Clark that he needs to use his powers responsibly (and vice versa) and Aquaman taught Clark to start thinking globally instead of locally.Could be something as simple as be glad you're solar powered and not dependent on a Duracell.

LOL! J/K. ;)

I don't know *anything* about the Teen Titan character Cyborg - never watched the show - so I'm going into this episode without any preconceived notions of what's been previously established in Superman continuity. It's all good. :) :up:

Lt. Figgnuts

12-11-2005, 11:11 AM

xD Having watched Teen Titans once or twice myself, I'd say you'd be in the same boat whether you watched the show or not.

Show's terrible, IMO.

The Sage

12-11-2005, 11:31 AM

OMG!!!

Must. Resist. The temptation. To bust. Sage's. Ballz. LMAO!!!! :p :p :p

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/kiss.gif

Let's not forget about Mxy. ;)

Hey, just going off of what I know. Cyborg is currently mentoring third generation heroes along with leading the Titans, he's second generation himself. It's gonna be weird. The Bart episode worked because he was a combination of Flashes, but his actual story is that he's from the future.

Despite the somewhat weak plot, Aquaman worked out well and I was worried about it how they'd do the character.

What can you do with Cyborg? I hope he's not a LuthorCorp experiment.

I wish they'd do something in the vein of the Legion of Superheroes episode from Superman TAS. It actually could work very well, especially considering Brainiac has already been introduced.

Hey Sage, wa'happened? No screen caps from Lexmas? :(

Oops, forgot to do it. Plus that episode left me in a tangle.:O

Serene

12-11-2005, 11:34 AM

I don't know *anything* about the Teen Titan character Cyborg - never watched the show - so I'm going into this episode without any preconceived notions of what's been previously established in Superman continuity. It's all good. :) :up:
Same here. It's almost better, really. It seems that having pre-conceived notions about every little Supes-related detail too often sets people up to be disappointed when SV puts its own spin on things...and they always do.

I looked up a picture of the guy.. looks very Sci-Fi.

triplet

12-11-2005, 11:46 AM

Same here. It's almost better, really. It seems that having pre-conceived notions about every little Supes-related detail too often sets people up to be disappointed when SV puts its own spin on things...and they always do.

I looked up a picture of the guy.. looks very Sci-Fi.

True... I have never seen Teen Titans, although my kids watch that show. When I found out they were watching my only question was: Is superman one of the teens on it?

Since the answer was no, I have never really seen it. :D

Here is the description of Cyborg from the Cartoon Network:

Cyborg
He's half-man, half-robot and all-Titan. Despite his metallic outer shell, Cyborg is a pretty sensitive dude. Even though his cybernetic anatomy gives him enormous strength and loads of weapons, being only partly human can also be a drag. But that doesn't stop him from kicking bad guy butt.

Awful writing, they need a new copy writer, but he's clearly an interesting choice for a new DC character for the show.

avidreader

12-11-2005, 11:53 AM

Cyborg
He's half-man, half-robot and all-Titan. Despite his metallic outer shell, Cyborg is a pretty sensitive dude. Even though his cybernetic anatomy gives him enormous strength and loads of weapons, being only partly human can also be a drag. But that doesn't stop him from kicking bad guy butt.

Awful writing, they need a new copy writer, but he's clearly an interesting choice for a new DC character for the show.

Thanks for that, I too have never heard of the character so no preconceived ideas. They could actually do alot with a character like this.

Does anyone know what his true origins are?

The Sage

12-11-2005, 12:30 PM

Thanks for that, I too have never heard of the character so no preconceived ideas. They could actually do alot with a character like this.

Does anyone know what his true origins are?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg_(comics)

Carter

12-11-2005, 12:47 PM

Sounds like a bad idea.
But hey, I thought Lexmas was going to be terrible.

And it turned out to be one of the best episodes ever

King Ruler

12-11-2005, 12:52 PM

triplet

12-11-2005, 01:14 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg_(comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg_(comics)))

Your link was broken, Sage....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg_(comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg_(comics)))

there's the correct one... Thanks, btw.

King Ruler

12-11-2005, 01:16 PM

Yours is not showing either. Guys, just go here:

http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/cyborg.html

avidreader

12-11-2005, 01:16 PM

Thanks Sage, thanks Triplet. Both links work but neither of them have any information on Cyborg.

triplet

12-11-2005, 01:18 PM

Thanks Sage, thanks Triplet. Both links work but neither of them have any information on Cyborg.

Weird, the script that automatically creates hyperlinks really doesn't know what to do with that closing parentheses.

Try this one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg_(comics)

avidreader

12-11-2005, 01:18 PM

Yours is not showing either. Guys, just go here:

http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/cyborg.html

:up: Thanks.

"Cyborg Quick Bio: Once a promising athlete, Vic Stone was severely injured in an explosion, leading his father to save his life through cybernetic implants. A living man-machine, the once-bitter Cyborg learned to accept his new appearance and became a capable hero in his own right."

He sounds a bit like robo-cop. I actually think this could be interesting.

King Ruler

12-11-2005, 01:20 PM

I just hope we get to see his sonic cannon.

The Sage

12-11-2005, 01:35 PM

Maybe after Victor (Cyborg's real name) gets into the accident that causes him to become Cyborg, he won't age, so he'll remain a teenager on the outside. If that's how they'll do it, then this episode could work and not screw up Teen Titans history (or Cyborg's history).

Anybody but me get the feeling that we might get an appearance/mention from/of John Henry Irons in this episode?

Your idea sounds workable. :up:

John Henry Irons? Maybe.

I just got a flashback. It probably won't happen, but they could do a Superboy (Connor Kent) inspired episode. Did they ever find that vial of CK's blood? Connor wouldn't have to last long either, perhaps a limited life? Just throwing ideas around.

SuperSoldier87

12-11-2005, 01:38 PM

If you think about it it's good that there introducing another character from a different future team besides the JLA members.

SuperSoldier87

12-11-2005, 01:39 PM

Your idea sounds workable. :up:

John Henry Irons? Maybe.

I just got a flashback. It probably won't happen, but they could do a Superboy (Connor Kent) inspired episode. Did they ever find that vial of CK's blood? Connor wouldn't have to last long either, perhaps a limited life? Just throwing ideas around. Don't forget Lex's scientists have Aquaman's DNA

King Ruler

12-11-2005, 01:40 PM

I just got a flashback. It probably won't happen, but they could do a Superboy (Connor Kent) inspired episode. Did they ever find that vial of CK's blood? Connor wouldn't have to last long either, perhaps a limited life? Just throwing ideas around.

That could really work, actually. And have Bart appear in that episode as well. Two of Young Justice's members in one episode.

I smell spin-off...

The Sage

12-11-2005, 01:46 PM

That could really work, actually. And have Bart appear in that episode as well. Two of Young Justice's members in one episode.

I smell spin-off...

They could also have a traveling circus called Haley's Circus roll through, with an acrobatic act by the Flying Graysons with a one year old Dick Grayson making a cameo.:)

Red

12-11-2005, 01:49 PM

I still say Green Arrow is the way to go.

triplet

12-11-2005, 01:50 PM

Did they ever find that vial of CK's blood?

In Pheonix, Jonathan destroyed the vial of blood that Red-k Clark had stolen from Lionel's safe, but he had given more when Edge had his parents held at gunpoint...

Lionel had used that blood to create the "blood platelet cocktail" that had revived Adam Knight... I don't know if they had any blood left after all that serum stuff happened in the third season, however.

The Sage

12-11-2005, 01:56 PM

I still say Green Arrow is the way to go.

Ollie? Could work.

In Pheonix, Jonathan destroyed the vial of blood that Red-k Clark had stolen from Lionel's safe, but he had given more when Edge had his parents held at gunpoint...

Lionel had used that blood to create the "blood platelet cocktail" that had revived Adam Knight... I don't know if they had any blood left after all that serum stuff happened in the third season, however.

Ah, now I remember. Yeah they could have some leftover...

With Lex turning evil, it could definitely work.

Ha, now I have a Superboy idea. I might do an outline now...

shy175223

12-11-2005, 03:20 PM

My guess is that he's the one they picked because he has not major motion picture deal in the works right now. It's ok, I'm pretty psyked about it!:up:

Yeah. neither does Martian Manhunter. I read in the recent SV magazine that theyare thinking of bringing him in, too.

King Ruler

12-11-2005, 03:47 PM

Martian Manhunter? I'd KILL to see that. If you ask me, they need to throw in Lobo as well. I know it'd seem a little different having a grey skinned person there, but maybe he could come in the form of some guy named 'Bo', who is revealed to be the reincarnation of Lobo.

That way we'd have three aliens who are all the last survivors of their own races.

avidreader

12-11-2005, 03:54 PM

Yeah. neither does Martian Manhunter. I read in the recent SV magazine that theyare thinking of bringing him in, too.

I'm not sure if everyone here are regular buyers of the Smallville mag., but you should buy this latest issue as there is some good stuff in there.

shy175223

12-11-2005, 04:21 PM

double posting

shy175223

12-11-2005, 04:21 PM

I'm not sure if everyone here are regular buyers of the Smallville mag., but you should buy this latest issue as there is some good stuff in there.

Actually AV, I do have the lastest issue. They have the interview with Miles discussing the upcoming episodes including the 100th. That's where I read that they are thinking about bringing on Manhunter along The Flash and others if the story is right. :)

avidreader

12-11-2005, 06:52 PM

Actually AV, I do have the lastest issue. They have the interview with Miles discussing the upcoming episodes including the 100th. That's where I read that they are thinking about bringing on Manhunter along The Flash and others if the story is right. :)

Yeah, I saw that too and the comment he made about the show never being the same after the 100th epi gave me chills.

Okay, there's information up at this site now (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg_(comics)). I can see the history of this guy totally working in Smallville.

I think Clark could be the one to set this guy on the right path.

King Ruler

12-11-2005, 07:03 PM

Your link STILL doesn't work. I've already provided all the information need on Cyborg, so it doesn't really matter anymore.

Brainiac 8

12-11-2005, 07:28 PM

In Pheonix, Jonathan destroyed the vial of blood that Red-k Clark had stolen from Lionel's safe, but he had given more when Edge had his parents held at gunpoint...

Lionel had used that blood to create the "blood platelet cocktail" that had revived Adam Knight... I don't know if they had any blood left after all that serum stuff happened in the third season, however.

Toward the end of the Adam Knight story, they said they had run out of the serum on the tests, because they couldn't get it perfected. After they told him this was when he put the gun to his mouth.

I think if they did this episode right, I think it'll be great. It could be an accident that happens at a LuthorCorp plant, and Lex has these additions added to him to use for his own means. Vic doesn't allow Lex to control him and Clark shows him that he can still live with a purpose despite his differences.

This could be like a pre-Metallo experiment also, which they could bring in later.:up:

avidreader

12-11-2005, 07:35 PM

Your link STILL doesn't work. I've already provided all the information need on Cyborg, so it doesn't really matter anymore.

That is so weird. I got a whole page full of stuff about him before. :confused:

Whatever.

avidreader

12-11-2005, 08:00 PM

Just went to shutdown and I noticed I had this minimised, so I thought I'd copy and paste it for us who dont know who this guy is.

Vic Stone was the son of a pair of scientists who decided to use him as a test subject for various intelligence enhancement projects. However, Victor grew to resent this treatment and fell in with a young miscreant who led him into trouble with the law. This was the beginning of a struggle where Victor strove for his own life engaging in pursuits his parents disapproved of such as athletics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics). In addition, Victor still kept bad company that led him into incidents such as when he was talked into participating in a street gang fight in which he was wounded. For the most part however, Victor still had a largely normal life under the circumstances where he also refused to follow his best friend's grandiose plans of racially motivated terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism).
All that changed one day when he visited his parents at work at STAR Labs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STAR_Labs). Coincidentally, an experiment in dimensional travel went horribly awry when a massive gelatinous monster crossed over an experimental portal and killed Victor's mother. The creature then turned on Victor and severely mutilated him before his father managed to force the creature back through the portal. To save his son, Victor's father outfitted him with experimental prosthetics of his own design. However, the equipment could not be worn inconspicously, and thus Victor was horrified to see much of his body, including part of his face, replaced with sheer metallic limbs and implants. Although Victor wanted to die at this shock, he adjusted enough through his resulting physical therapy to control his implants with suitable skill.
However upon release from medical care, he found his life was seriously inconvenienced with the fearful reactions of the public at his implants, even his girlfriend rejected him. In addition, he was also disallowed his participation in athletics not only for his implants but for his poor grades which were further exacerbated by his long convalescence. However, when his old friend attempted to use Victor's troubles to manipulate him into attempting a terrorist attack on the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations), Victor found a new purpose as he equipped his weapons attachments and stopped his friend in a pitched battle on the UN building (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UN_building&action=edit).
He joined the Teen Titans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titans_%28comics%29), initially for the benefit of a support group of kindred spirits and freaks and has remained with that group ever since. In addition, Victor found new friends who saw past his disfigurements to his own nobility such as a group of children who were adjusting to their own prosthetics and idolized Victor with his fancy parts and exciting adventures as well as their beautiful therapist who took a shine to him herself.
Throughout his association with the Titans, Victor has been destroyed, reconstructed, assimilated by an alien race, and had his humanity restored. He currently mentors the new Teen Titans group, consisting mainly of sidekicks, most of whom have taken over the secret identities of former members (i.e. Tim Drake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Drake), the third Robin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_%28comics%29), instead of Dick Grayson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Grayson), the original Robin and Titans leader), as well as stalwarts such as Starfire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfire_%28comics%29), Raven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_%28comics%29), and Beast Boy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_Boy).

Lt. Figgnuts

12-11-2005, 08:27 PM

I just got a flashback. It probably won't happen, but they could do a Superboy (Connor Kent) inspired episode. Did they ever find that vial of CK's blood? Connor wouldn't have to last long either, perhaps a limited life? Just throwing ideas around.

I LIKE this idea...

...but I don't want to see it happen in Smallville. I don't want to see a "Clark Clone" storyline.

What I wouldn't mind, though, is using that to sort of mention experiments with the blood or even going so far as to say that they are going to clone Clark (but have it take years).

Personally, I don't want to see Connor Kent appear in Smallville. Mentions and allusions are fine, but that's one thing, IMO, the writers should stay away from.

Brainiac 8

12-11-2005, 08:37 PM

No, but they could do a clone like story to introduce Bizarro.;)

King Ruler

12-11-2005, 08:41 PM

No Bizzaro!

Lt. Figgnuts

12-11-2005, 09:50 PM

No, but they could do a clone like story to introduce Bizarro.;)

I dunno. Again, I wonder if that's something better left in the future - strictly Superman lore?

Partially because I have no idea how they would do it and make it believable.

The Sage

12-11-2005, 10:15 PM

I LIKE this idea...

...but I don't want to see it happen in Smallville. I don't want to see a "Clark Clone" storyline.

What I wouldn't mind, though, is using that to sort of mention experiments with the blood or even going so far as to say that they are going to clone Clark (but have it take years).

Personally, I don't want to see Connor Kent appear in Smallville. Mentions and allusions are fine, but that's one thing, IMO, the writers should stay away from.

It doesn't have to be the Superboy that is created when Supes is older, that Connor Kent. Could be someone with the name Connor. It wouldn't really affect anything, if you think about it. There are a lot of ways to take the story. I'll outline something and put it online when I get the chance. It would be a great arc.

Tim Drake

12-11-2005, 10:51 PM

It doesn't have to be the Superboy that is created when Supes is older, that Connor Kent. Could be someone with the name Connor. It wouldn't really affect anything, if you think about it. There are a lot of ways to take the story. I'll outline something and put it online when I get the chance. It would be a great arc.

I dont know about that. It reminds me too much of "Kara" and no good came from that! :(

As far as Cyborg in the Smallville universe goes, I wonder by putting him in the same generation as Clark Kent/Superman (along with Bart Allen and Aquaman)...whether Cyborg will be in the Justice League alongside them?

I dont particularly like the idea of reinventing all the heroes in his manner but it could be what theyre trying to do. This is like some twisted elseworlds tale.

Lt. Figgnuts

12-11-2005, 11:04 PM

I dunno. I hope they don't set him up to be a member of the Justice League.

I have no problem with them reworking Superman history to a point, but I want to see stuff that's still somewhat workable within the Superman mythos we already know.

Tim Drake

12-11-2005, 11:07 PM

Well they've changed so much already..

I mean we have a Teen Titan appearing about 10 years before Clark becomes Superman!

Next thing you know, Robin will appear....10 years before Batman.

The Sage

12-12-2005, 12:43 AM

Here's my Superboy idea, the first part. Well, let me rephrase that. It's Superboy inspired, or based on Superboy, not adapting the actual character.

I can't find the "How would you do it" thread for ideas for SV episodes and stories, so here's the link to the one on The Planet:

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showpost.php?p=385135&postcount=20

ETHERSPIN

12-12-2005, 07:44 AM

ahhh .. this all rests on the assumption.. that its THAT cyborg.. which is not the best asssumption considering vic played a very small role in the superman mythos unlike http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Cyborg_Superman

i could see them adapting henshaw into someone who believes clarks actions have made him the way he is (disembodied consciousness,fashions bodies out of metal), he initially poses as a hero , only to gain clarks trust..

you are all probably right about it being vic.. but just thought id throw it out there as when i heard the "cyborg" title i got visions of an Ep with a kryptonite freak vibe..

Lt. Figgnuts

12-12-2005, 08:22 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing THAT cyborg...I guess it makes more SENSE, but again, I'm not too familiar with Superman lore - was he a villain BEFORE the Death of Superman arc or did he first appear after Superman was killed?

If he's a long-standing villain like Brainiac, then fine. But if he only showed up to pose as Superman after his death...I think he should stay in Clark Kent's future instead of in his present.

THE MR. TERRIFIC

12-12-2005, 08:41 AM

Sounds pretty cool!! It is a little, I mean a lot off the time grid but I think it will be interesting to see how it will be pulled off.:marv: :supes:

NHawk19

12-12-2005, 08:52 AM

Ok so he's a second gen hero . . . How is he even alive now? That said I'm sure SV will mess with continuity they always do, hopefully this will work out for the best. However if he ends up as a Luthor Corp Krypto freak I'm gonna be very disappointed with the writers.

Least they could do is give a nod to Star Labs

Lt. Figgnuts

12-12-2005, 08:59 AM

I could see him being alive...but VERY young...I think even 10 years old would be pushing it.

darkzombiemutt

12-12-2005, 09:37 AM

No Bizzaro!
Don't make me slap you. :)

Brainiac 8

12-12-2005, 10:16 AM

Don't make me slap you. :)

Exactly!:up:

Tim Drake

12-12-2005, 11:07 AM

I dont see how this is that much different from bringing Brainiac in this early, when Clark is only 18.

In the animated universe, when Brainiac tried to kill young Clark in Smallville too, but after B was defeated, the Legion of Superheros erased everyones memories.

AgentPat

12-12-2005, 01:39 PM

BINGO!

Lycos' Most Popular Internet Search Terms of 2005:

Top Television Shows of 2005:
1) The Simpsons
2) Teen Titans
3) American Idol
4) Smallville
5) Big Brother
6) South Park
7) Lost
8) Family Guy
9) Survivor
10) Charmed

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051212/nem036.html?.v=33

Well I guess that answers that question, eh? LOL

avidreader

12-12-2005, 02:04 PM

triplet

12-12-2005, 02:16 PM

It does? :confused:

Well, yeah... it does.

Look what's above Smallville in that list. Only one of the items above Smallville is a WB property.

Is it a coincidence that show is where they pulled their next DCU character from?

AgentPat

12-12-2005, 02:18 PM

It does? :confused:LOL Folks were wondering why use the Cyborg character. Why Teen Titans? Why not some other hero from the DCU. Well, TT is apparently pretty popular. More popular in terms of folks searching for it on the I-Net than SV itself. Why *not* a character from TT then?

I'm keeping myself "clean" of background information. I don't want to be "spoiled" on this character. Well, I'll read the actual spoilers, but I really don't want to know any more about the character or the show outside of SV. I'd rather just watch how SV tells the story. I think I'll enjoy it more that way. I remember how bent out of shape I got when I thought Kara was going to be Supergirl on the 3rd season finale. OMG, you'da thought somebody peed in my cheerios or something LOLOL!!. It was baaaaad. But all the pissing and moaning was for naught 'cause she wasn't Supergirl after all, thank goodness. But gosh, was I not a happy camper thinking she would be. So I'm taking a lesson from that experience and going into Cyborg clean as a whistle. :D

musclesforsupes

12-12-2005, 02:23 PM

I dont like this idea, I have to say. Why not Arrow, Martian Manhunter, or Wonder Woman? Most people dont know whom cyborg is.

musclesforsupes

12-12-2005, 02:24 PM

So far this is the only thing about this season that I dont like. I guess they couldnt get the rights to the name brand characters.

avidreader

12-12-2005, 03:19 PM

LOL Folks were wondering why use the Cyborg character. Why Teen Titans? Why not some other hero from the DCU. Well, TT is apparently pretty popular. More popular in terms of folks searching for it on the I-Net than SV itself. Why *not* a character from TT then?

I was being a little childish when I wrote that. The bold in your text told me that was what you were suggesting. Just having some fun. :)

I remember how bent out of shape I got when I thought Kara was going to be Supergirl on the 3rd season finale. OMG, you'da thought somebody peed in my cheerios or something LOLOL!!. It was baaaaad. But all the pissing and moaning was for naught 'cause she wasn't Supergirl after all, thank goodness. But gosh, was I not a happy camper thinking she would be. So I'm taking a lesson from that experience and going into Cyborg clean as a whistle. :D

I hadnt got to the stage of reading spoilers when I saw that episode, so her character was good for me.

Having said that though, I dont mind Smallville bending these characters out of shape in any way. I'm not so dogmatic that I need to see them doing everything the same as in previous tellings of the characters.

To me that's what makes Smallville work, their interpretations of things in a more realistic world.

Tim Drake

12-12-2005, 03:51 PM

LOL Folks were wondering why use the Cyborg character. Why Teen Titans? Why not some other hero from the DCU. Well, TT is apparently pretty popular. More popular in terms of folks searching for it on the I-Net than SV itself. Why *not* a character from TT then?

I'm keeping myself "clean" of background information. I don't want to be "spoiled" on this character. Well, I'll read the actual spoilers, but I really don't want to know any more about the character or the show outside of SV. I'd rather just watch how SV tells the story. I think I'll enjoy it more that way. I remember how bent out of shape I got when I thought Kara was going to be Supergirl on the 3rd season finale. OMG, you'da thought somebody peed in my cheerios or something LOLOL!!. It was baaaaad. But all the pissing and moaning was for naught 'cause she wasn't Supergirl after all, thank goodness. But gosh, was I not a happy camper thinking she would be. So I'm taking a lesson from that experience and going into Cyborg clean as a whistle. :D

Well Cyborg is clearly a ratings ploy to draw some TT fans to the show now that TT is canned.

And as far as "Kara" goes, that was a ploy too. Draw viewers in believing that she was Supergirl...

The only thing though is we still dont know for sure whether she was or wasnt Smallville's incarnation of Supergirl. Since we'll never Clark as a grown Superman discovering Supergirl in the future of Smallville....its hard to say what's what. That's why its better to avoid such things.

Tim Drake

12-12-2005, 03:53 PM

I dont like this idea, I have to say. Why not Arrow, Martian Manhunter, or Wonder Woman? Most people dont know whom cyborg is.

Martian Manhunter would be way harder to pull off given his story, unless they totally reinvent him.

While I like the idea of Oliver Queen, Arrow, appearing...they might as well save it for next season, hes the only one left they can use.

WW's rights are tied up.

titan101

12-12-2005, 06:22 PM

8) Family Guy

WHAT???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TheGoonies

12-12-2005, 06:29 PM

Flash & Aqua taught Clark one thing. Don't be such a baby brat about using your damn powers & learn to have some fun using your powers & get into trouble a bit & stop being a goody two shows.

Whats this guy going to teach Clark ?

Triligors

12-12-2005, 08:01 PM

I want this hero to be more related to Lex. Lex learns of the technology and goes after this guy, he wants to capture him and learns where he gets his powers and how this technology works. Clark hears word of this and is hesitant to take sides. Lex goes overboard and the second rift between Clark and Lex erupts. This could definitely be a great show to show Lex's evolution to the "dark side"

Kirk Langstrom

12-12-2005, 10:27 PM

Martian Manhunter would be way harder to pull off given his story, unless they totally reinvent him.

While I like the idea of Oliver Queen, Arrow, appearing...they might as well save it for next season, hes the only one left they can use.

WW's rights are tied up.

How about this for an idea for next year....Oliver Queen shows up at a Halloween party thrown by Lex as a green costumed archer/Robin Hood character similar to the original Green Arrow before the Neal Adams re-design of the late sixties. He could tell Clark that he was going down a path similar to Lex (young, rich and powerful, and using that power for evil), but after being marooned on an island and learning to use a bow & arrow to fend for himself, he changed his ways, and started looking out for the less fortunate, a modern day "Robin Hood" of sorts....

Tim Drake

12-13-2005, 01:37 AM

Clark down the same path as Lex? That's a pretty big stretch. They should be enemies by then anyways.

And another Halloween party? No way.

I think it would be better if Queen is a reckless rich socialite who parties like crazy and throws his money away towards it and his habits. After forming a business alliance with Lex Luthor, he befriends Clark at a Met U college party. Clark warns him about the dangers of his behavior and of teaming up with Luthorcorp and ignoring the corruption of his associates. Oliver eventually realizes the flaws of his ways and turns against Lex. Lex totally destroys Oliver's financial empire leaving Oliver broke and with a strong hated for the rich and corrupt......thus leading him down the path to be the Green Arrow.

Brainiac 8

12-13-2005, 07:29 AM

Tim, I think he meant that Queen was going down the same path as Lex...not Clark.

I actually like some of your ideas with that Tim. Lex being the reason he becomes the Green Arrow would be interesting. Lex's evil creating a hero out of it...Like it!:up:

Either way, I am really looking forward to this episode. I was thinking that in this continuity Lex would be the one to create Cyborg and save the guy on the brink of death. Only what they don't know is Lex wants to control the newly created Cyborg for his own means, not realizing that there are some things he can't control, especially when Clark discovers Cyborg and saves him.:cool:

Kirk Langstrom

12-13-2005, 08:49 AM

Yes, I meant Oliver going down the wrong path like Lex.I thought of the Halloween party idea because for once I'd like to see one of these "super hero" guest appearances with the character in something resembling a costume, and Halloween would be perfect! Regardless, I think that Green Arrow will appear next year because Gough & Co. are running out heroes that can be used that don't have an upcoming movie, and that are familiar enough to the Smallville audience....

The Incredible Hulk

12-13-2005, 09:21 AM

well they did reference his disappearance in the Smallville pilot... and there's always next Halloween

SoulManX

12-13-2005, 04:50 PM

This should be Black Lightning not Cyborg. I will watch but still don't care for this idea. At least BL fits in the Superman myth.

avidreader

12-13-2005, 06:07 PM

well they did reference his disappearance in the Smallville pilot... and there's always next Halloween

They did? Tell me more. Please. :D

Tim Drake

12-13-2005, 06:12 PM

Well it wasnt much of a reference. Just an easter egg. Something about Queens disapearance written on the newspaper Lionel was reading in the chopper.

avidreader

12-13-2005, 06:22 PM

Well it wasnt much of a reference. Just an easter egg. Something about Queens disapearance written on the newspaper Lionel was reading in the chopper.

You mean they werent talking about the Queen of England?

Who's the Queen? :rolleyes:

Brainiac 8

12-13-2005, 09:06 PM

You mean they werent talking about the Queen of England?

Who's the Queen? :rolleyes:

Oliver Queen AKA Green Arrow

Tim Drake

12-13-2005, 10:14 PM

No. Its actually refering to a rock band from the 70s.

Thats why Lionel has long hair.

Brainiac 8

12-13-2005, 10:48 PM

No. Its actually refering to a rock band from the 70s.

Thats why Lionel has long hair.

One of my favorite bands from that era too.:up: :D

Brainiac 8

12-13-2005, 10:59 PM

Lionel can be seen reading a newspaper with a headline referring to "Queen Industries." In the DC comics lore, Queen Industries is (or was) owned by Oliver Queen, aka Green Arrow. No indication the character may ever appear, however, then or since.

http://www.tv.com/pilot/episode/48011/trivia.html

Wanted to show you Tim.
Just for your information, it was a reference to Green Arrow, not the band.

But, still one of my favorite bands.:up:

triplet

12-13-2005, 11:02 PM

^^--- I think he was kidding, B8....

Brainiac 8

12-13-2005, 11:05 PM

^^--- I think he was kidding, B8....

Doh, if you were Tim, sorry. It's been a long day and I'm tired.:(

ARK ARK...HUMOR *In the voice of Robin Williams as Mork*

I'm thinking I need to go to bed.:O

Mike_D

12-14-2005, 04:57 AM

oh man...CYBORG?! bleh! blah! meh!!

rumpuso

12-14-2005, 07:35 AM

I just wonder how many episodes they will release false spoilers for...would they be false this far out after the 100th?

The Question

12-14-2005, 08:04 AM

Well, I actually like the idea that it's Hank Henshaw. That would be a sweet episode. Clark fighting someone who he can't actually hit.

Red

12-14-2005, 08:23 AM

Tim Drake

12-14-2005, 10:15 AM

great idea the problem i have with that is Ollie ending up poor.

Thats one thing Im trying to read up on. Nowadays he doesnt seem to have that rich alter ego anymore. Something must have happened.

Anyways, they could have brought him in in season 3 as well. When Lex was stranded on that island, that could have been Starfish Island..where Ollie was stranded, where he became the modern Robinson Crusoe. Where he perfected his skills, and became the Green Arrow when he returned to civilization.

Tim Drake

12-14-2005, 10:17 AM

Well, I actually like the idea that it's Hank Henshaw. That would be a sweet episode. Clark fighting someone who he can't actually hit.

LOL so many cyborgs. Henshaw was cool but I'd be hard to bring him in before Superman even exists.

avidreader

12-14-2005, 10:18 AM

http://www.tv.com/pilot/episode/48011/trivia.html

Wanted to show you Tim.
Just for your information, it was a reference to Green Arrow, not the band.

But, still one of my favorite bands.:up:

I would have loved to have seen this scene in the Pilot.

The TV version fades to commercial at that point, but in the DVD version, Clark looks weak, and Lex asks, "Kid, are you feeling alright?" Clark says "Yeah, I'm fine", then faints, falling flat on his face.

Brainiac 8

12-14-2005, 10:28 AM

I would have loved to have seen this scene in the Pilot.

The TV version fades to commercial at that point, but in the DVD version, Clark looks weak, and Lex asks, "Kid, are you feeling alright?" Clark says "Yeah, I'm fine", then faints, falling flat on his face.

Some interesting little trivia things they found, Kinda fun to read.:up:

user123456789

12-14-2005, 10:45 AM

I swear, Clark better be able to WHOOPS cyborgs ass... a TEEN titan...

if its not a blow out, i will be severly pissed.

KalKai

12-14-2005, 11:08 AM

new spoilers

- Victor Stone is brought to life in a cyborg form by Lex.
- Victor (Cyborg) is looking for his girlfriend Katherine.
- Meanwhile, Clark is looking for a Dr. Nilson who helped Victor escape the first time.

Red

12-14-2005, 11:09 AM

Link?

Red

12-14-2005, 11:09 AM

The Incredible Hulk

12-14-2005, 12:19 PM

www.kryptonsite.com

Brainiac 8

12-14-2005, 12:21 PM

http://www.kryptonsite.com/

Heres where the new spoilers are from.

Brainiac 8

12-14-2005, 12:23 PM

Sorry Hulk, beat me to it.:)

avidreader

12-14-2005, 01:09 PM

So from these heavily detailed spoilers, what do you guys who know this character think? Me, I think its sound interesting.

Does this girlfriend Katherine mean anything to anyone?

Brainiac 8

12-14-2005, 02:04 PM

So from these heavily detailed spoilers, what do you guys who know this character think? Me, I think its sound interesting.

Does this girlfriend Katherine mean anything to anyone?

To be honest, I don't know about the girlfriend; but Lex being behind the creation of Cyborg from Vics accident is the way I would have went with it. I think Lex will try to control him or some such.

This has me wanting to see it even more.:D

ETHERSPIN

12-14-2005, 03:34 PM

LOL so many cyborgs. Henshaw was cool but I'd be hard to bring him in before Superman even exists.
as opposed to making a cyborg hero out of someone who is meant to be 5-9 years old where they are up to ?
it makes more sense! he blames clark for it since this age.. hey they brought luthor and lois in and they know what he looks like without glasses.. this is much less of a stretch.. for the record, i dont think its gonna be henshaw.. i just think it would have been a cool idea

The Question

12-14-2005, 03:53 PM

It's going to be Vic. Wonderful. I hate when the fudge with the timelines like this.

Tim Drake

12-14-2005, 04:43 PM

as opposed to making a cyborg hero out of someone who is meant to be 5-9 years old where they are up to ?
it makes more sense! he blames clark for it since this age.. hey they brought luthor and lois in and they know what he looks like without glasses.. this is much less of a stretch.. for the record, i dont think its gonna be henshaw.. i just think it would have been a cool idea

Hey! I never said Vic Stone was a good idea.

It sounds stupid to me.

I guess Henshaw wouldnt be as bad, although Conduit is the BEST villian to bring in....as Clark was best friends with him in high school.

Super_Ludacris

12-14-2005, 04:44 PM

what? they couldn't get Shaq to rock the steel suit again instead. I mean he was on the DL for the last month, he could have shot a couple scenes.

Tim Drake

12-14-2005, 04:55 PM

Dude! No!!

Super_Ludacris

12-14-2005, 05:23 PM

2 stupid points credited to you for taking me seriously

Tim Drake

12-14-2005, 05:27 PM

3 to you for taking me seriously!

Mike_D

12-14-2005, 07:47 PM

Cyborgs dont age do they? He can still be a part of teen titans.

AgentPat

12-14-2005, 07:49 PM

So from these heavily detailed spoilers, what do you guys who know this character think?LOL! Thank you! I think some folks need to simmer down a bit; we know next to NOTHING about this episode. Gough's quote has me stoked though...

"We thought he had an interesting dilemma: Am I man or machine? Have I compromised my humanity? Will I find love in this condition?"

That's an awesome premise for an episode. Many films have been based on the same ideas, and a couple of wonderful TV series too.

If fans could just watch the episode from the POV of the characters and what's established IN the show verses what may or may not have been pre established elsewhere, they *might* actually enjoy it more. THAT is why I don't want to know much more about this Cyborg character than what's presented in SV. It's IRRELEVANT right now. The only thing I might miss out on is the inside homages the writers may want to throw into the episode. Kara being Clark's "cousin" from California, or A.C. not traveling with an "entourage" - that sort of stuff.

Anyhoo, this episode has me very excited based on Gough's comments and the general premise that can be gleaned from just that. I could give a rat's patootie about the Teen Titan connection or how old the character "should" be. Give me a break. This is Smallville. We do things different here! :o

The Question

12-14-2005, 07:55 PM

Cyborgs dont age do they? He can still be a part of teen titans.

1) Cyborgs still have organic parts.

2) He still wouldn't be a teen.

titan101

12-14-2005, 08:10 PM

LOl i told my friend that cyborg was going to be in smallvile and he was like 0.o

AgentPat

12-14-2005, 08:14 PM

LOl i told my friend that cyborg was going to be in smallvile and he was like 0.oIs "0.o" a good thing?

Brainiac 8

12-14-2005, 08:20 PM

LOL! Thank you! I think some folks need to simmer down a bit; we know next to NOTHING about this episode. Gough's quote has me stoked though...

"We thought he had an interesting dilemma: Am I man or machine? Have I compromised my humanity? Will I find love in this condition?"
That's an awesome premise for an episode. Many films have been based on the same ideas, and a couple of wonderful TV series too.

If fans could just watch the episode from the POV of the characters and what's established IN the show verses what may or may not have been pre established elsewhere, they *might* actually enjoy it more. THAT is why I don't want to know much more about this Cyborg character than what's presented in SV. It's IRRELEVANT right now. The only thing I might miss out on is the inside homages the writers may want to throw into the episode. Kara being Clark's "cousin" from California, or A.C. not traveling with an "entourage" - that sort of stuff.

Anyhoo, this episode has me very excited based on Gough's comments and the general premise that can be gleaned from just that. I could give a rat's patootie about the Teen Titan connection or how old the character "should" be. Give me a break. This is Smallville. We do things different here! :o

Thank you Pat, I'm glad at least you are POSSITIVE about the episode. I'll fill you in on the inside jokes, since I know the character.:up: :)

With all the negativity, you'd think this was K-Site.:(

titan101

12-14-2005, 08:22 PM

Is "0.o" a good thing?0.o means one eyebrow raised.

AgentPat

12-14-2005, 08:54 PM

Thank you Pat, I'm glad at least you are POSSITIVE about the episode. I'll fill you in on the inside jokes, since I know the character.:up: :)

With all the negativity, you'd think this was K-Site.:(I KNOW! Jeeze Louise, huh? LOL

The only times I get "bent" over an episode *before* it airs is when the premise seems ridiculous. Thirst ranks WAY up there, but it turned out to be a really decent episode. They made it work with Chloe's monologue, ala Darren McGavin's Karl Kolchak.

The other thing is, well... I have a special place in my heart for the cyborg story. Y'see, The Six Million Dollar Man was my other FAVORITE "superhero" as a kid, next to Superman. Goddamn, I LOVED that show. Wouldn't miss it. So yeah, I'm wicked excited to see what they do with this SV ep. Do fill me in on the homages though; I want to be in on the jokes LOL.

0.o means one eyebrow raised.OH! I've got a smiley for that... http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/eyebrow.gif

Brainiac 8

12-14-2005, 09:14 PM

Lee Majors was awsome for the time!!!!!:up:

I loved the Six Million Dollar Man, he could make any villain pee his pants just by looking at them. LOL:D

Mike_D

12-14-2005, 10:10 PM

They might as well have ant-man...at least there would be some entertainment value, LOL.

I mean seriously, he better look like this:

http://www.newsarama.com/DC/liefeld/robtitans4.jpg

and not like this:

http://isaacschlueter.com/images/laforge.gif

If they're gonna bring a superhero into the series in his full glory, then they should do him right. Even if I'd rather have green lantern or wonder woman. :o

triplet

12-14-2005, 10:17 PM

I KNOW! Jeeze Louise, huh? LOL

The only times I get "bent" over an episode *before* it airs is when the premise seems ridiculous. Thirst ranks WAY up there, but it turned out to be a really decent episode. They made it work with Chloe's monologue, ala Darren McGavin's Karl Kolchak.

The other thing is, well... I have a special place in my heart for the cyborg story. Y'see, The Six Million Dollar Man was my other FAVORITE "superhero" as a kid, next to Superman. Goddamn, I LOVED that show. Wouldn't miss it. So yeah, I'm wicked excited to see what they do with this SV ep. Do fill me in on the homages though; I want to be in on the jokes LOL.

I LOVED the Six Million Dollar Man! He was so hot... I didn't even think of that connection (albeit slim) to this.

Yeah, I think that there are themes they could explore well. Especially since Cyborg's strangeness and how he deals with it will likely be an extremely meaningful conflict for Clark to reflect on. He will have a lot to learn from Cyborg, no doubt.

So, it's all good. :up:

I could also care less how well it syncs up with the "real" Cyborg in any previous iteration of the character. Smallville excels at taking DCU characters and having a diffeent take on them which makes them entertaining and, more importantly, makes their stories more meaningful to Clark.

It's all about what these guys can teach Clark anyway, isn't it? Who cares how faithful they are to the details as long as the tone is right?

Not me.

OH! I've got a smiley for that... http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/eyebrow.gif

:D

Mike_D

12-14-2005, 10:31 PM

I could also care less how well it syncs up with the "real" Cyborg in any previous iteration of the character. Smallville excels at taking DCU characters and having a diffeent take on them which makes them entertaining and, more importantly, makes their stories more meaningful to Clark.

It's all about what these guys can teach Clark anyway, isn't it? Who cares how faithful they are to the details as long as the tone is right?

Not me.

:D

To an extent...I mean they did a good job so far but I just dont want to see a superhero mis-treated. I hope they introduce Clark's glasses pretty soon.

KalKai

12-14-2005, 10:36 PM

Didn't they always do it right? except for Mxy, I don't see why you have to worry.

avidreader

12-14-2005, 11:46 PM

The other thing is, well... I have a special place in my heart for the cyborg story. Y'see, The Six Million Dollar Man was my other FAVORITE "superhero" as a kid, next to Superman. Goddamn, I LOVED that show. Wouldn't miss it. So yeah, I'm wicked excited to see what they do with this SV ep. Do fill me in on the homages though; I want to be in on the jokes LOL.

I used to so love that show when I was a kid too. I used to hope that Oscar would come and take me away and give me bionic implants. LOL! :D

I was just watching the episode Ryan. And Lex says real life isnt a comic book, its not always that black and white. It made me think of all you guys here who want the characters that they use in Smallville to be exact copies of what you see in the comic books. ;)

mellyM

12-15-2005, 05:17 AM

Darren McGavin's Karl Kolchak
Who is that exactly?

AgentPat

12-15-2005, 08:05 AM

I LOVED the Six Million Dollar Man! He was so hot...Ditto on the "hot" comments LOL. Yeah, I've always had a big thing for superheroes.

I didn't even think of that connection (albeit slim) to this. Oh, I did. It was the first thing I thought of after reading Gough's quote. There was an episode of T6MDM where Steve is on assignment somewhere in the South. He hits his head and you guessed it, he gets amnesia. (The amnesia thing is VERY common in this genre. "Blank," anybody? LOL) Anyhoo, so Steve doesn't know who he is, or that he's part machine. When his right arm is accidentally ripped open in an accident, he sees the wires hanging out and thinks he's a machine. ALL machine. This royally freaks him out until he cuts his finger on the other hand from the wires and then bleeds. A woman who is there to witness the incident comforts him and tells him she doesn't understand what's going on either, but it's obvious he's human and they would get to the bottom of things together. It was a touching scene.

Now, I haven't seen that episode since I was a kid, but I sure do remember it. It was re-heeeeeely well done. I'm kinda looking forward to that sort of angle with Cyborg, and based on Gough's comments, I think we're gonna get something like it too. :D :D :D

I hope they introduce Clark's glasses pretty soon.They already did in Whisper. I doubt we'll be seeing him wear glasses any more in the show though since he does that after he shows up in the suit as Superman, and we won't be seeing *that* till the very end. They may allude to the glasses as a means for disguise though; doesn't the Maya character in Vengeance wear glasses?

Who is that exactly?"Kolchak: The Night Stalker" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071003/combined) was Chris Carter's main inspiration for creating The X-Files. It was an awesome show, so good in fact, they tried to remake it recently with Stuart Townsend as Karl.

Read some of these quotes (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071003/quotes) from the old episodes. They're a riot!! Kolchak would do these amazingly funny monologs describing events in a sarcastic tone ala The X-Files Scully, or Chloe in Thirst. It totally made the show. The new Night Stalker, which has subsequently been canceled, didn't have that kind of creativity or wit. Big surprise it was canceled.

BTW, where is everybody today? :(

musclesforsupes

12-15-2005, 08:12 AM

I just wish they would have gotten a more popular character like Wonder Woman, Robin, Green Lantern, heck even Martian Manhunter.

AgentPat

12-15-2005, 08:23 AM

I just wish they would have gotten a more popular character like Wonder Woman, Robin, Green Lantern, heck even Martian Manhunter.WW is taken, so to speak, like Batman was. They can't use her. Robin... well... didn't he come *after* Batman? So, if they can't use Batman, I suppose they're not going to be able - or want to - use Robin. Right? And GL and MM opens up the "alien" door a LOT further than SV may want to broach right now. It's complicated enough having Kryptonians "popping up" every few episodes when you least expect it LOL.

I'm sure the producers have covered all their bases though. If they are permitted to use a specific DCU character, and they can make it work effectively in the show (ultimately what's important), then they will. Notice too that Cyborg is preeming in FEBRUARY, which is the next sweeps' month. Aqua was HUGE for them in November, so they're gonna go with themes that net them good ratings in order to capitalize on that popularity. I would!

KikiDee

12-15-2005, 08:26 AM

BTW, where is everybody today? :(

Cowering from the dread of Holiday Cheer.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Brainiac 8

12-15-2005, 09:22 AM

The downside with things right now is that Superhero movies are gaining popularity, so most of the major properties have been picked up for a theatrical release at some point. This makes the pickins mighty slim for the show to use.

If they hadn't of used the Flash when they did, they probably would have missed out now that his rights are also tied up for a movie. I say lets take what we can get.:up:

musclesforsupes

12-15-2005, 09:24 AM

what about bizzaro or darkside, have some bad guys come out

AgentPat

12-15-2005, 10:01 AM

what about bizzaro or darkside, have some bad guys come out"Darkside?" Is he a friend of Darth Helmut? Heh! S'kay Muscles, we know whatcha meant. ;)

Bizzaro would be VERY interesting, but they'd have to "adapt" the character to fit into SV continuity. No suit is a bit of a change, if not a big change. I suppose if it works for Clark, it would work for Bizzaro. Not sure I'd want him referred to as "Bizarro" though. Something more creative... like Chloe first spotting him and telling Clark she saw somebody who looked like him, "except he acted more bizarro." LOL! Yeah, that would work. Hee! I'm also a big fan of giving Welling any opportunity to act OOC. :up: :D On top of everything, I can't see them making a feature film about Bizarro, or even including him in another Superman film, so I would imagine the SV folks *could* use him if they wanted to. Only question is, would it be somewhat derivative of other episodes? (Not that it's stopped them before LOL)

triplet

12-15-2005, 10:03 AM

"Kolchak: The Night Stalker" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071003/combined) was Chris Carter's main inspiration for creating The X-Files. It was an awesome show, so good in fact, they tried to remake it recently with Stuart Townsend as Karl.

Read some of these quotes (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071003/quotes) from the old episodes. They're a riot!! Kolchak would do these amazingly funny monologs describing events in a sarcastic tone ala The X-Files Scully, or Chloe in Thirst. It totally made the show. The new Night Stalker, which has subsequently been canceled, didn't have that kind of creativity or wit. Big surprise it was canceled.

Man, I tried watching that a time or two and one major problem with it was that Stuart Townshend couldn't act his way out of a paper bag...

I guess there was a reason for Peter Jackson to can him as Aragorn.

And the sarcastic monologues from Kolchak were like the best part of that show. Townshend doesn't have half the charm in his whole body that Darrin McGavin had in his little finger... Hiring someone who had some charm would have made all the difference in the world.

As for Cyborg, the episode sounds great to me.... Bizarro would be interesting too if they did that. I'm not sure how'd they do Darkseid.

AgentPat

12-15-2005, 10:19 AM

Man, I tried watching that a time or two and one major problem with it was that Stuart Townshend couldn't act his way out of a paper bag...

I guess there was a reason for Peter Jackson to can him as Aragorn.

And the sarcastic monologues from Kolchak were like the best part of that show. Townshend doesn't have half the charm in his whole body that Darrin McGavin had in his little finger...

Hiring someone who had some charm would have made all the difference in the world.Which goes back to the whole casting issue. That said, I really liked Townsend in LoEG. He was wonderfully sarcastic ("What are you?" "I'm complicated!") and babalicious to boot. What they did to him in TNS was tragic, not to mention how incredibly poor the writing was. Ah vell.

triplet

12-15-2005, 10:26 AM

Which goes back to the whole casting issue. That said, I really liked Townsend in LoEG. He was wonderfully sarcastic ("What are you?" "I'm complicated!") and babalicious to boot. What they did to him in TNS was tragic, not to mention how incredibly poor the writing was. Ah vell.

I never saw the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen but his material could have been the problem, true. The dialogue truly stank and the change to the premise (he's trying to find his wife's killer instead of just being a tabloid journalist who fights spooks) wasn't really necessary.

Lt. Figgnuts

12-15-2005, 12:49 PM

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I was just watching the episode Ryan. And Lex says real life isnt a comic book, its not always that black and white. It made me think of all you guys here who want the characters that they use in Smallville to be exact copies of what you see in the comic books. ;)

I don't think very many people who are actually fans of the show REALLY want exact copies - most fans know that at some point, there are going to be adjustments.

We do, however, expect SOME kind of loyalty to the established character and his/her history.

With a character like Kara, they explained it in such a way that she wasn't REALLY Supergirl. Theoretically, the REAL Kara could show up later in Superman's history.

People are irritated because there is no good reason for Cyborg to be showing up. As far as I know he has no long-standing history with Superman, and he's a second-gen superhero. It doesn't make sense that a second-gen superhero would be born before even the first-gen superheroes are. Not to mention that, since Teen Titans is a popular show and it's airing in Feburary (sweeps), it's plainly obvious that they're just trying to recreate the ratings of Run and Aqua.

Mike_D

12-15-2005, 02:07 PM

"Darkside?" Is he a friend of Darth Helmut? Heh! S'kay Muscles, we know whatcha meant. ;)

Bizzaro would be VERY interesting, but they'd have to "adapt" the character to fit into SV continuity. No suit is a bit of a change, if not a big change. I suppose if it works for Clark, it would work for Bizzaro. Not sure I'd want him referred to as "Bizarro" though. Something more creative... like Chloe first spotting him and telling Clark she saw somebody who looked like him, "except he acted more bizarro." LOL! Yeah, that would work. Hee! I'm also a big fan of giving Welling any opportunity to act OOC. :up: :D On top of everything, I can't see them making a feature film about Bizarro, or even including him in another Superman film, so I would imagine the SV folks *could* use him if they wanted to. Only question is, would it be somewhat derivative of other episodes? (Not that it's stopped them before LOL)

BWHAHA!! That would actually be a very entertaining episode.

AgentPat

12-15-2005, 02:32 PM

...We do, however, expect SOME kind of loyalty to the established character and his/her history.

With a character like Kara, they explained it in such a way that she wasn't REALLY Supergirl. Theoretically, the REAL Kara could show up later in Superman's history.That's what we've been saying. Covenant's Kara *wasn't* the REAL Supergirl. Her "real" name (in the episode) wasn't even Kara, it was Lindsey (sp?) Maybe the SV writers are just using the Teen Titan character as a template. That is to say, a human with cybernetic implants. It shouldn't be the actual character that's important, it's how that character influences the SV characters, namely Clark and Lex.

People are irritated because there is no good reason for Cyborg to be showing up....But there IS. The "am I human or machine?" story has been done dozens of times in fiction. Here's SV's opportunity to tackle the question and use it as a metaphor to help Clark. Who cares if SV's version of the character matches what's been established elsewhere? Just because the character has the same name (Kara) and can do what their comic's version can do (superpowered Kryptonian), doesn't necessarily mean the SV version (Lindsey) will actually BE that character (Supergirl.)

RakuMon

12-15-2005, 03:08 PM

Bizzaro would be VERY interesting, but they'd have to "adapt" the character to fit into SV continuity. No suit is a bit of a change, if not a big change. I suppose if it works for Clark, it would work for Bizzaro. Not sure I'd want him referred to as "Bizarro" though. Something more creative... like Chloe first spotting him and telling Clark she saw somebody who looked like him, "except he acted more bizarro." LOL! Yeah, that would work. Hee! I'm also a big fan of giving Welling any opportunity to act OOC. :up: :D On top of everything, I can't see them making a feature film about Bizarro, or even including him in another Superman film, so I would imagine the SV folks *could* use him if they wanted to. Only question is, would it be somewhat derivative of other episodes? (Not that it's stopped them before LOL)

You should check out Sage's posts in this thread for how to intro Bizarro into SV continuity:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187538&page=5

avidreader

12-15-2005, 03:44 PM

Not to mention that, since Teen Titans is a popular show and it's airing in Feburary (sweeps), it's plainly obvious that they're just trying to recreate the ratings of Run and Aqua./quote]

Well there's nothing wrong with that. Good ratings is what keeps the show airing.

I'm more than confident that they are capable of not jeopardising the quality of the product, considering how fantastic everything has been coming together this season.

And if you take this into account -

[quote=AgentPat]It shouldn't be the actual character that's important, it's how that character influences the SV characters, namely Clark and Lex.

It can only be good.

AgentPat

12-15-2005, 03:51 PM

You should check out Sage's posts in this thread for how to intro Bizarro into SV continuity:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187538&page=5I saw them, but didn't read them. No offense to Sage, but I didn't want to be spoiled. There were some references to the new Crisis series and I haven't read it yet. I have the issues; I just haven't read 'em. I hit the comic store every few weeks, stock up on the latest issues of various Supes' comics, and then read 'em when I have time. Birthright was one of the few series I read IN THE CAR on my way home from picking up the latest issue LOL. That was such an amazing series. But with Crisis, man... it's freakin' deep. It's not "difficult" or anything - don't get me wrong - I just need to be in a certain mindset to read that stuff and absorb it all. BR just flowed. It was beautiful. They could have cast Danny DiVito in a Superman film based on BR and I would have been all over it like white on rice...

Gah. Don't get me started, Rak. :(

avidreader

12-15-2005, 04:07 PM

For what its worth, I just read on another site that Gough said in the TV Guide article that the Connor and Katharine relationship is supposed to parallel Clark and Lana.

Brainiac 8

12-15-2005, 09:34 PM

I saw them, but didn't read them. No offense to Sage, but I didn't want to be spoiled. There were some references to the new Crisis series and I haven't read it yet. I have the issues; I just haven't read 'em. I hit the comic store every few weeks, stock up on the latest issues of various Supes' comics, and then read 'em when I have time. Birthright was one of the few series I read IN THE CAR on my way home from picking up the latest issue LOL. That was such an amazing series. But with Crisis, man... it's freakin' deep. It's not "difficult" or anything - don't get me wrong - I just need to be in a certain mindset to read that stuff and absorb it all. BR just flowed. It was beautiful. They could have cast Danny DiVito in a Superman film based on BR and I would have been all over it like white on rice...

Gah. Don't get me started, Rak. :(

Birthright was good wasn't it?:) :up:

So is Infinite Crisis so far.

AgentPat

12-15-2005, 10:19 PM

Birthright was good wasn't it?:) :up:

So is Infinite Crisis so far.Oh man, BR was amazing. I re-heeely enjoyed it. Probably had a lot to do with its "vague" (*ahem* :rolleyes: ) similarity to SV. LOL :p

tecnowraith

12-22-2005, 01:50 PM

Brainiac 8

12-22-2005, 02:06 PM

Ok I not sure if Cyborg sould be in smallville cause there no true relations between Clark and Victor Stone from the comics. After reading the spoilers on KryptonSite I am not on how they are doing his orgin. It should be his father that creates the cyborg body, not Lex.

Within the confines of Smallville continuity, it's fine by me. I could see Lex trying to take advantage of a situation like this, and trying to use the newfound power in Vic.

KalKai

12-23-2005, 03:14 PM

"Cyborg" Is Cast
Special thanks to: MANOFTHEATOM Playing Victor Stone, aka the "Cyborg" in episode #15 of the current Smallville season will be Lee Thompson Young.
21-year-old Young is probably best known for his TV role as "The Famous Jett Jackson" on the Disney channel. He's also recognizable from the movie "Friday Night Lights."
"Cyborg" is scheduled to air in late February.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/friday_night_lights/lee_thompson_young/friday1.jpg

Earthsea

12-23-2005, 03:24 PM

WOW

I remember The Famous Jett Fackson & he was in Friday Night Lights ? Heh didn't recognize him

Brainiac 8

12-23-2005, 03:33 PM

I think he'll fit the part well.:up:

Earthsea

12-23-2005, 03:57 PM

I think he'll fit the part well.:up:

You notice how this is one Series wether its Returning Roles / Guest Roles / Cameos the LAST Actor you would expect to take on the Role ends up always almost Perfect for it ? Got to give WB Credit for that.

Brainiac 8

12-23-2005, 04:13 PM

You notice how this is one Series wether its Returning Roles / Guest Roles / Cameos the LAST Actor you would expect to take on the Role ends up always almost Perfect for it ? Got to give WB Credit for that.

Agree 100%, we are always coming up with good actors to play the parts, but it seems the producers of Smallville in particular always nail the actors to the parts. I haven't had a problem with any of the cameo actors.(Give or take a FOW here or there. They don't count though.)

That's why casting you know who doesn't worry me so much.:up:

King Ruler

12-23-2005, 08:06 PM

Hmmm, I've just thought of something to add on to my age theory about Cyborg being on "Smallville":

It could be possibl that he'll be rebuilt to be a complete robot or something, which would somewhat equal a rebirth for him, so maybe he'll start over at age 0 or 1 or something, and by the time he's a teenager again (16/17/18/whatever) Clark will already be superman and it won't screw up continuity too much.

Hush

12-24-2005, 09:43 AM

They do always get casting right now that i think about it. Everyone has pretty much been perfect, save Aquaman who could have been better but you cant win them all.

Kane

12-24-2005, 10:01 AM

"Cyborg" Is Cast

Special thanks to: MANOFTHEATOM Playing Victor Stone, aka the "Cyborg" in episode #15 of the current Smallville season will be Lee Thompson Young.

Oh no...not him. :down Oh well...he resembles Sam Jones III to a degree but after seeing Jett Jackson, he doesnt really resemble Cyborg, well at least not the Cyborg Im used to....but anythings subject to change.

avidreader

12-24-2005, 11:03 AM

They do always get casting right now that i think about it. Everyone has pretty much been perfect, save Aquaman who could have been better but you cant win them all.

He was a good choice in so far as looks and what not, he was just a little green as an actor.

Kane

12-24-2005, 11:16 AM

Aquabro looked pretty goofy. Well at least he didnt sing...or attempt to.

Serene

12-24-2005, 12:41 PM

He was a good choice in so far as looks and what not, he was just a little green as an actor.
"Green" is such a nice way of putting it, avid. :)

Jett Jackson is a good choice. He's a decent actor who's been around for a while. And I know that his show was really big amongst the kids who are all now adolescents/teen aged.

Kane

12-24-2005, 12:56 PM

And I know that his show was really big amongst the kids who are all now adolescents/teen aged.

Oh ya thats true actually. Well...assuming people remember that lame show.

Hush

12-24-2005, 02:31 PM

"Green" is a very nice way of putting it. LOL I hope this cyborg ep does well. I bet this ep will pull aot of kiddies in who watch the CN show Teen Titans because. That could be good for ratings.

Kane

12-24-2005, 05:54 PM

I think that was the whole gimmick in using him.

Kane

12-31-2005, 10:07 PM

Damn...Cyborg may be part of the JLA post-Infinite Crisis.

http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/23/JLACapadupla_color2.jpg

Kaboom

01-22-2006, 09:35 PM

cyborg part of the JLA? i wonder what kind of "we should join a league" or "junior lifeguard assoc" joke theyre going to make for this guy.

avidreader

01-22-2006, 10:05 PM

Excerpt from the Al Gough/TV Guide interview, most of which was about Reckoning and I've posted in the Reckoning thread.

TVGuide.com: You're bringing on Cyborg [played by Lee Thompson Young] in the Feb. 16 episode. How does he fit into the mix?
Gough: We always liked that character from the Teen Titans. He's basically a kid who was a star high-school football player, had a full ride to USC, and then was in a massive car accident, and LuthorCorp, experimenting on what's essentially bionics, sort of put him back together — but potentially for a more nefarious scheme than just helping out this kid. The issues he deals with, it's like Robocop — "How much man am I? How much of a machine am I?" Clark helps this kid figure out how his radically different life isn't necessarily a curse, and how he can get these powers under control, find his humanity and go on and live life.

avidreader

01-31-2006, 10:26 AM

From DTS

Thursday, February 16
Smallville (8:00 - 9:00 pm ET)
"“Cyborg”" ( (TV-PG, V) (HDTV))

DC COMICS’ CYBORG COMES TO SMALLVILLE — A sympathetic doctor releases a half-human/half-machine subject named Victor (guest star Lee Thompson Young) who was being held captive and experimented on by LuthorCorp. While making his escape, Victor is struck by Lana’s (Kristin Kreuk) car. After watching him walk away without a scratch, Lana calls Clark (Tom Welling) to investigate. Clark befriends Victor and promises to help him find his girlfriend, but Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) traps Victor and takes him back to LuthorCorp. Erica Durance, Allison Mack, John Glover, Annette O’Toole and John Schneider also star. The episode was written by Caroline Dries and directed by Glen Winter

triplet

01-31-2006, 10:33 AM

Interesting....

Serene

01-31-2006, 10:44 AM

[B]Victor is struck by Lana’s (Kristin Kreuk) car.

Is Chloe the only female on this show that hasn't run over anyone?

avidreader

01-31-2006, 11:06 AM

Is Chloe the only female on this show that hasn't run over anyone?

Yeah whoever said SUV's were the safest cars on the road, obviously havent come across the VW bugs.

********

The thing I found interesting was Lana calling Clark to investigate. We've not seen her in that capacity before. Well maybe back in season 3, but that was always her calling him to help her.

Kane

01-31-2006, 11:13 AM

Lana running back to Clark for help?

Urgh...

So much for 'we had our last fight.'

Super_Ludacris

01-31-2006, 11:23 AM

Yeah whoever said SUV's were the safest cars on the road, obviously havent come across the VW bugs.

********

The thing I found interesting was Lana calling Clark to investigate. We've not seen her in that capacity before. Well maybe back in season 3, but that was always her calling him to help her.

Gives me bleek hope that maybe eventually this season he will tell or something...

mellyM

01-31-2006, 11:30 AM

Lana running back to Clark for help?

Urgh...

So much for 'we had our last fight.'
Don't Clark and Lana remain friends for the rest of their adult lives in most canon?

The Incredible Hulk

01-31-2006, 11:37 AM

Cyborg is getting the "Shelby" treatment, and then they're going to "A.C." him... :D I swear if they make Victor "gangsta" I'll stop watching the show....

Kane

01-31-2006, 11:40 AM

They also never had a relationship in the mythos....yet here we are.

I think Chloe takes up the role of the traditional Lana Lang. The girl privy to Clark's secret, she loves Clark but Clark could never feel the same way etc....maybe their friendship will continue.

Lana and Clark however.....I was hoping Lana became closer to Lex. Its the ONLY good thing that could have come from that time reversal.

avidreader

01-31-2006, 11:41 AM

Cyborg is getting the "Shelby" treatment, and then they're going to "A.C." him... :D I swear if they make Victor "gangsta" I'll stop watching the show....

Okay, who's "gangsta"?

Kane

01-31-2006, 11:42 AM

Cyborg is getting the "Shelby" treatment, and then they're going to "A.C." him... :D I swear if they make Victor "gangsta" I'll stop watching the show....

Maybe Clark will have someone new to play Basketball with...

Red

01-31-2006, 11:43 AM

avidreader

01-31-2006, 11:49 AM

Guess that means a flashback. I'm not a big fan of them bring characters back after they die kind of lessens the value of it.

Every regular actor is listed in the episode descriptions, so I wouldnt take too much notice of that. I was actually wondering if JS would still be in the credits?

I dont know too much about actors' contracts but his name being there may have something to do with that.

avidreader

01-31-2006, 11:49 AM

Serene

02-01-2006, 09:16 PM

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1235/vengeance17qe.jpg

Man.. what's with Lex and strapping down young men???

;)

The Incredible Hulk

02-01-2006, 09:23 PM

:eek: bow chicka bow....

Lex: "So exactly how much of you is mechanical?"

Dr. Evil

02-01-2006, 11:14 PM

Cyborg (Lee Thompson Young) is on the show South Beach, produced by J.Lo.

Of course he's best known to Disney Channel fans as Jett Jackson from "The Famous Jett Jackson"

triplet

02-02-2006, 12:02 AM

Guess that means a flashback. I'm not a big fan of them bring characters back after they die kind of lessens the value of it.

It's probably required in his contract, like avid said.

I actually would be surprised if they pull his name from the credits.... It will be there, I am almost positive, the rest of the season.

KikiDee

02-02-2006, 12:06 AM

:eek: bow chicka bow....

Lex: "So exactly how much of you is mechanical?"

Hehe....How you doin'?

panzertank

02-02-2006, 12:32 AM

It's probably required in his contract, like avid said.

I actually would be surprised if they pull his name from the credits.... It will be there, I am almost positive, the rest of the season.

i bet anything it will be pulled soon. There are many characters in shows that either die or go away, maybe not tomorrow, but I think it would be kinda wierd to keep his names in the credits for something he didn't do.

triplet

02-02-2006, 12:39 AM

i bet anything it will be pulled soon. There are many characters in shows that either die or go away, maybe not tomorrow, but I think it would be kinda wierd to keep his names in the credits for something he didn't do.

I don't think so, but I guess we'll see...

You in Fort Collins? I used to live in Greeley and work at HP over in Fort Collins...

I'm now in Florida, however.

Mike_D202

02-02-2006, 04:40 AM

From Kryptonsite.com:

DC COMICS' CYBORG COMES TO SMALLVILLE - A sympathetic doctor releases a half-human/half-machine subject named Victor (guest star Lee Thompson Young) who was being held captive and experimented on by LuthorCorp. While making his escape, Victor is struck by Lana's (Kristin Kreuk) car. After watching him walk away without a scratch, Lana calls Clark (Tom Welling) to investigate. Clark befriends Victor and promises to help him find his girlfriend, but Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) traps Victor and takes him back to LuthorCorp. Erica Durance, Allison Mack, John Glover and Annette O'Toole also star. The episode was written by Caroline Dries and directed by Glen Winter (#2T6415).

In THIS description, I dont see John Shneider. So maybe the DTS description is off a little bit. ;)

panzertank

02-02-2006, 05:30 PM

I don't think so, but I guess we'll see...

You in Fort Collins? I used to live in Greeley and work at HP over in Fort Collins...

I'm now in Florida, however.

YEAH! GO RAMS, I've been to that HP over on Harmony?

Serene

02-03-2006, 11:08 PM

More Cyborg pics as posted by Jana at Sweet.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6995/cyborg83ny.th.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyborg83ny.jpg)http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/1092/cyborg39eo.th.jpg (http://img312.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyborg39eo.jpg)http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3195/cyborg48vd.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyborg48vd.jpg)http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/9277/cyborg67tn.th.jpg (http://img312.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyborg67tn.jpg)

Kane

02-03-2006, 11:19 PM

I'd love to think what people who dont know anything about Smallville would say when they see pics of a white guy with shaved head torturing a black guy strapped to a chair.

The Incredible Hulk

02-03-2006, 11:24 PM

a remake of "Roots"? :D

KalKai

02-03-2006, 11:24 PM

Why would you care? and why would they care if they don't follow SV? Show them the pics of Lex torturing AC then lol.

Kane

02-03-2006, 11:26 PM

Actually I dont care about political correctness at all.. Its just funny

Mike_D202

02-04-2006, 07:38 AM

Crisis Superman is just jealous that Superman Returns doesnt have big black men strapped down in front of Kevin Spacey. :o

Super_Ludacris

02-04-2006, 01:52 PM

a remake of "Roots"? :D

http://street-soundz.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif

triplet

02-04-2006, 02:37 PM

YEAH! GO RAMS, I've been to that HP over on Harmony?

Yeah, the one on Harmony... Pretty good money but not much fun.

Having more fun now I'm a production assistant at a local TV station here, I'm also doing some freelance writing too but that job hasn't really started yet.

Neither pays as well as the HP gig but what can I do?

The thing I'm missing most about Northern Colorado is the readily available supplies of Fat Tire. Haven't found a brew I like as much here in the sunshine state but all that warm sunshine and moist air is a nice change so I guess I'll live with it.

:D

Kane

02-04-2006, 04:18 PM

Crisis Superman is just jealous that Superman Returns doesnt have big black men strapped down in front of Kevin Spacey. :o

Youre retarded.

I dont like when Morg edits my posts but this time I didnt say anything thats 'censored'

triplet

02-04-2006, 06:15 PM

Hey, I just read that Glen Winter will be directing this episode.

For those of you not familiar with the name, he's one of the two directors of photography for Smallville. Cinematrographers usually make brilliant directors.

I can't wait to see what he'll do. He was DP on some of the best looking episodes of SV including Memoria, Lexmas and the beautifully shot Vengeance, among others.

It appears to be his directorial debut, btw.

The Caped Knight

02-05-2006, 10:45 AM

http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-02/21775869.jpg

Nice, Clark looks very SUPERMAN like in this pic . :supes:

Serene

02-05-2006, 12:04 PM

Lara

02-10-2006, 06:03 AM

Mike_D202

02-10-2006, 06:14 AM

Just saw the preview and I have to admit I was disappointed by the lack of any obvious cybornetics. What makes Cyborg a character seems to be his regret about not looking completely human. It didn't need to be cheesy but at least an arm or something.

Agreed. :up:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0311/07/cyborgth.jpg

THAT is cyborg.

P.S.
I think Lana's SUV is the new "red truck" on smallville :D haha.

The Caped Knight

02-10-2006, 06:36 AM

NHawk19

02-10-2006, 06:48 AM

He's more like the bionic man than Cyborg. But hey I'm ticked they're relying on Lex to rebuild him as he's the only one with the technology. For the love of gawd where's Star Labs or anyone else in the DCU who can do this kind of stuff besides Lex?

KalKai

02-10-2006, 06:48 AM

Cyborg can't look like that on SV, that's just TOO MUCH, and a trailer doesn't show everything.

NHawk19

02-10-2006, 06:49 AM

Cyborg can't look like that on SV, that's just TOO MUCH, and a trailer doesn't show everything.

Granted but it didn't make me feel warm and fuzzy either.

Also I wanted to add: I know everyone is going to say SV is going for a more believable approach look at what they did to Mxy. I'll be honest I was ok with that one cause cartoonish imps from other dimensions sort of annoy me. With Cyborg, more believeable would be metal parts showing in at least a few places. Not just well we changed him, rebuilt his whole body and he looks no different. That ones hard to swallow.

Mike_D202

02-10-2006, 07:21 AM

Maybe they'll upgrade him in the future to what we know him as now?

Kane

02-10-2006, 07:24 AM

W T F he has no cybernetic armor at all. Just a guy in gym tights.

Lara

02-10-2006, 07:41 AM

Granted but it didn't make me feel warm and fuzzy either.

Also I wanted to add: I know everyone is going to say SV is going for a more believable approach look at what they did to Mxy. I'll be honest I was ok with that one cause cartoonish imps from other dimensions sort of annoy me. With Cyborg, more believeable would be metal parts showing in at least a few places. Not just well we changed him, rebuilt his whole body and he looks no different. That ones hard to swallow.
:up: That's what I meant. It's actually less believable for him to appear completely human. Plus then where's the downside go ahead and rebuild me and give me superpowers while they are at it. For the record I have never complained about how they have altered a character before. I'm not looking for flaws or slavishly following the comics. In real life artifical limbs etc do not often look human. Some of the titanium legs look like a bent piece of rebar. So the change to the character isn't needed.

Mike_D202

02-10-2006, 07:45 AM

I wonder if they'll even give him some sound effects for when hes moving (like a machine moving).

*sigh*...they could have at LEAST given him a weird frinkly fake eyeball or something. At least contact lenses...

http://www.fanboyplanet.com/ontv/images/teentitansSUMOFHISPARTS3.jpg

AgentPat

02-10-2006, 08:31 AM

The Caped Knight

02-10-2006, 08:41 AM

Let see some thing close to either [ John Corben/Metallo] or The Terminator on Victor.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/superman/bios/villains/metallo/19.jpg

or

http://www.astrosurf.org/lombry/Documents/terminator-2.jpg

KalKai

02-10-2006, 08:42 AM

Yeah it's incredible, they see 1 bad episode, OH NOES SV IS GOING DOWNHILL NO SEASON 6, lol.

The Caped Knight

02-10-2006, 08:51 AM

Folks... take it easy. The CGI hasn't been dropped in yet, apparently. There WILL be some very cool cyborg-ish effects. At least, that was the intent going into production on the episode and probably why they got Glen Winter to helm. Gough likened the humanistic storyline to that of Robocop and his inner conflict with being man or machine. As a big fan of The Six Million Dollar Man, I've been excited to see this episode ever since I first heard about it. I'm thinking it will be very COOL! Have some faith, will yas? (Just put last night's episode out of yer minds. LOL)

If so you would think we'd see a preview of Victor as a "Cyborg",

I mean the trailer for Run was awesome, You saw a preveiw of Bart speed, In "Aqua" you saw a preview of Aquaman's powers .

NHawk19

02-10-2006, 08:52 AM

Folks... take it easy. The CGI hasn't been dropped in yet, apparently. There WILL be some very cool cyborg-ish effects. At least, that was the intent going into production on the episode and probably why they got Glen Winter to helm. Gough likened the humanistic storyline to that of Robocop and his inner conflict with being man or machine. As a big fan of The Six Million Dollar Man, I've been excited to see this episode ever since I first heard about it. I'm thinking it will be very COOL! Have some faith, will yas? (Just put last night's episode out of yer minds. LOL)

I dont think the armor is going to be CGI Pat. If it was, I'm pretty sure the shot where Lana wrecks into him would have had it. Cyborg is usually depicted as more Robocop than 6 mill $ man. It just seems as though they'll be departing from Robo in favor of 6 Mill. Unless theres still something they havent shown.

Mike_D202

02-10-2006, 08:59 AM

God I hope by episode's end he'll have the armor to make him more of a cyborg than an android.

Kane

02-10-2006, 09:07 AM

From a budget standpoint, whats the use of designing armor for him...when he doesnt even wear it for most of the ep....only at the end?

Mike_D202

02-10-2006, 09:08 AM

True. Just high hopes that this isnt the definitive vision of cyborg in SV.

Kane

02-10-2006, 09:11 AM

Not like it matters, youll probably never see him again after this episode.

Mike_D202

02-10-2006, 09:14 AM

eh, you never know. They could throw all the super-cameos in on a season finale or season premiere episode to face a big threat. SV is spontanious like that i guess.

Kane

02-10-2006, 09:24 AM

No it isnt.

Nice website btw

AgentPat

02-10-2006, 09:24 AM

If so you would think we'd see a preview of Victor as a "Cyborg",

I mean the trailer for Run was awesome, You saw a preview of Bart speed, In "Aqua" you saw a preview of Aquaman's powers .Not necessarily. Remember the teaser clips of the take-off scene in Crusade? All those distortion effects were dropped in at the last minute. Nobody saw that stuff until the ep aired. Even the "leaf" (LMAO!) at the beginning was debated for weeks until they finally decided exactly where to put it, which was only days before the ep aired. I'm telling you guys, I bet we haven't seen HALF the "robotic" effects this ep will have to offer. Does that mean Cyborg will look like he does in Teen Titans? No, I SERIOUSLY doubt that. But I'll bet dollars to donuts he's not gonna look "normal" either - eg: like everybody else. :D

Kane

02-10-2006, 09:26 AM

I wana see the mask at least

GothicPowerMix1

02-10-2006, 09:26 AM

They could throw all the super-cameos in on a season finale or season premiere episode to face a big threat

I HIGHLY doubt Clark Kent will be able to handle 4 Kryptonians more powerful then him by himself. Clark will need one HELL of a Power Boost to handle those four on his own. Then again maybe Clark will finally accept Jor Els training so he can have more abilities to fight them off.

Mike_D202

02-10-2006, 09:28 AM

no no no, i was thinking they would team up AGAINST a big threat.

Mike_D202

02-10-2006, 09:31 AM

No it isnt.

Nice website btw

Your the ginger to my ale. :up:

GothicPowerMix1

02-10-2006, 09:33 AM

no no no, i was thinking they would team up AGAINST a big threat.

& Braniac, Zod, & the other 2 Kryptonians all at once are not a big threat ?

Mike_D202

02-10-2006, 09:33 AM

OHH, okay i mis-read your previous statement. I thought you mis-understood that I was saying all the past cameos from future superheros would all return to help clark face the big threat.

GothicPowerMix1

02-10-2006, 09:38 AM

OHH, okay i mis-read your previous statement. I thought you mis-understood that I was saying all the past cameos from future superheros would all return to help clark face the big threat.

& they can come & help him face off with the Kryptonians like I said unless Clark gets a HUGE ASS POWER BOOST. No way will he be able to handle all 4 on his own

Kane

02-10-2006, 09:39 AM

Nice avatar :up: its like Singer splooged all over the new emblem. :up:

He didnt design the emblem... looks fine to me:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/tifflover/crystalsteaseralt6bw.jpg

Why dont you post that picture of you doing the Superman shirt rip to compare logos?

Mike_D202

02-10-2006, 09:41 AM

He didnt design the emblem... looks fine to me:

Why dont you post that picture of you doing the Superman shirt rip to compare logos?

Why, you already have the photo manip obviously :o If anybody wants to see it, its already scrolled over at the SHH photo album thread.

Nice turn with the personel attacks in a SV forum :up:

Kane

02-10-2006, 09:45 AM

It wasnt an attack. Youre just perceiving it as one.

Mike_D202

02-10-2006, 09:47 AM

ANYWAYS, back on topic. spoiler for "hypnotic":

- James Marsters returns in this episode as Prof. Milton Fine/Brainiac. He'll be seeking out Lex's help in freeing Zod from the Phantom Zone, and he'll use Lex's fascination with the spaceship as a way to do it.

KalKai

02-10-2006, 09:57 AM

Mike, this is the Cyborg thread, lol. YOU DID IT AGAIN. :D

Mike_D202

02-10-2006, 12:18 PM

dangit!

avidreader

02-10-2006, 12:28 PM

I wonder how Clark's going to feel seeing Lana's car all smashed up. Might bring back some very vivid and bad memories for him.:(

GothicPowerMix1

02-10-2006, 01:27 PM

I wonder how Clark's going to feel seeing Lana's car all smashed up. Might bring back some very vivid and bad memories for him.:(

Youd think they be able to come up with some new stuff :p

avidreader

02-10-2006, 02:19 PM

Youd think they be able to come up with some new stuff :p

Maybe they've made it happen that way on purpose. :p

KikiDee

02-10-2006, 04:06 PM

I wonder how Clark's going to feel seeing Lana's car all smashed up. Might bring back some very vivid and bad memories for him.:(

I'd be interested to see if they even touch on that. He's becoming so much more mature in nature and demeanor.

I just can't believe the poor girl can still get insurance. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

avidreader

02-10-2006, 05:19 PM

I'd be interested to see if they even touch on that. He's becoming so much more mature in nature and demeanor.

I really hope they do. I think it would be very interesting to see his reaction.

I just can't believe the poor girl can still get insurance. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Well that first accident sort of kind of didnt really happen. So she should still have a good driving record. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

user123456789

02-10-2006, 07:07 PM

all i want to say is the preview commercial after Tomb was amazing.

the way Cyborg stops Lana's car is very similar to the way clark stops Morgan Edge's car in Shattered, however you can really see the show's FX improvement over 2 years.

triplet

02-11-2006, 02:47 AM

For your own copy of the trailer, right click this link and click "Save Target As"...

http://raincloud.warnerbros.com/thewb/us/content/Ur8h1S_SM515-trl_qt_300.mov

Union Jack

02-11-2006, 04:47 AM

i wish they coulve made him a bit more cyborg from the comics-ish...just maybe his arm or whatever...
obviosly they want to make it look realistic but it'd have been nice to have him more like Vic in the comics.

The Caped Knight

02-11-2006, 08:56 AM

I'm telling you guys, I bet we haven't seen HALF the "robotic" effects this ep will have to offer. Does that mean Cyborg will look like he does in Teen Titans? No, I SERIOUSLY doubt that. But I'll bet dollars to donuts he's not gonna look "normal" either - eg: like everybody else. :D

OK Pat, It you say we'll see the "robotic" effects in this episode, I'll take your word for it. I'm not expseting to see Victor in The "Cyborg" armor suit that he wears on THE TEEN TITANS. But I am exsepting to see some proof he's not a Man anymore, He's a Machine an android . I would like to see some Cybernetic parts on him.

or see metal under his skin like Alex Murphy/RoboCop

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/95/Rcopschematic.jpg

Red

02-11-2006, 09:17 AM

I wonder if Cyborg will say "Booya!"

The Caped Knight

02-11-2006, 09:42 AM

I wonder if Cyborg will say "Booya!"

lol, Me too .

Serene

02-11-2006, 11:23 AM

I'm actually okay with Cyborg's "mechanics" being on the inside and covered by natural looking skin. It seems like the better way of constructing one.. in the world of Cyborg-making, that is. :)

AgentPat

02-11-2006, 11:40 AM

OK Pat, It you say we'll see the "robotic" effects in this episode, I'll take your word for it. I'm not expseting to see Victor in The "Cyborg" armor suit that he wears on THE TEEN TITANS. But I am exsepting to see some proof he's not a Man anymore, He's a Machine an android . I would like to see some Cybernetic parts on him.I wish I could say I've actually seen the episode and know one way or the other, but I'm just going on an educated guess. I'm pretty sure they will be showing some form of robotic architecture. That's kind of the whole point of the character. To have somebody who looks like everybody else would defeat the purpose of the backstory involved (Victor wrestles with his own identity just like Clark, which is what links them.)

or see metal under his skin like Alex Murphy/RoboCopOh, now THAT would be cool. Maybe Clark will X-Ray him? :up: :D