Rogue is a useless character...

[Haw]

hey all, 1st post here. didn't really see much on Rogue so sorry if it's been said before...

what is up w/ this character? this will be the 3rd movie she's been in and guess what? no flying, no super strength and let's be honest, not the looker or body type we're used to in the comics. all she's good for is overacting and NOT using her powers.

she's worse than any other character interpretation in this xmen series by far.

[TNC9852002]

She doesn't need to fly or have superstength in order to be interesting...She wasn't even in X-Man in X1 and X2 so you can throw all of that out right now..(since she has no real need for her mutant powers offensively/defensively if she wasn't one, thus giving her flight and superstrength would be pointless)

Wait for X3 and see what they do with her character then...After that, you can do as much complaining as you want.. :D

Welcome to the Hype!...I hope you stick around!

-TNC

[*xmenfan*]

Rogues a call character in the films!!!!!!!

[*xmenfan*]

*rogues a cool charcter!!

[White_Howling]

yeah she has no point.. i wish they started off with kitty in X-1

the whole wolverine and kitty relationship in the comics kicked ass

[ljr]

Rogue has been understated in the first two movies-but she is not and never will be a useless character.She did do stuff and i'm sure now she's on the team in x3 she will kick ass.

[psylockolussus]

I feel sad when they casted Anna Paquin, will never see the Real Rogue in the movies.

[trazz]

I feel Rogue has been somewhat useless...I think her main use was in X1, to show the hardships a teenager goes through when he/she becomes a mutant..connecting it to Real Life. But other than that, useless. I'm not sure why she was chosen to be so central and yet not given any special characteristics for the most part.

[Neptune]

Rogue needs Gambit! He'll make her sassy and aware of her sexy side. Plus it'll make Rogue more confident thus making her more like comic Rogue. Comic Rogue is so cool.

[Cyclops]

Psht.

"Useless character". I'm guessing the only thing you care about is the fighting then.

[Mistopurr83]

hey all, 1st post here. didn't really see much on Rogue so sorry if it's been said before...

what is up w/ this character? this will be the 3rd movie she's been in and guess what? no flying, no super strength and let's be honest, not the looker or body type we're used to in the comics. all she's good for is overacting and NOT using her powers.

she's worse than any other character interpretation in this xmen series by far.

Ditto 'bout Rogue being the most useless! That's what I've though of her since X2 came out. Over a year ago I started a poll asking which character is the most useless in the movies and Rogue got the most amount of votes!:) That shows most people around here must think the same way about her. The majority of the fabricator agrees with you anyway.

[Trigger]

Besides I didn't like Singer using Rogue in the role Kitty played in the comics. He hasn't really done much with the character besides make her a whiny side-kick. So yeah, she was a waste.

[Cyclops]

Well, whininess has always been Rogue's strongest point, along with her ridiculously overdrawn Southern Drawl!

[Trigger]

I like Rogue's ridiculously overdrawn southern drawl.:( Either way this Rogue hasn't done much. At least in the comics Rogue fought in-between whining!

[Mistopurr83]

Besides I didn't like Singer using Rogue in the role Kitty played in the comics. He hasn't really done much with the character besides make her a whiny side-kick. So yeah, she was a waste.

I didn't like that one bit either. I've read from certain sources (not sure if their still online) that Rogue's role in the movies originally was meant to be Kitty Pryde's role. It was written as her role in early drafts. But that was only before Bryan Stinker was hired.:down I've also heard if Joss Whedon, Matthew Vaughn, Brett Ratner, Guillermo Del Toro and many others had helmed X1 to begin with Kitty Pryde would've been the one in that role! I mean these are guys who did their homework and actually cared about doing things more accurately here! That's why for this reason I wish one of them had helmed X1. Anyway, the only reason they tweaked it into Rogue's role at the last minute was b/c of her popularity. Which I think was a totally stupid and pathetic reason why.:o

[TNC9852002]

I feel sad when they casted Anna Paquin, will never see the Real Rogue in the movies.
What does Anna Paquin have anything to do with it?...

-TNC

[TNC9852002]

yeah she has no point.. i wish they started off with kitty in X-1
But isn't Rogue a more popular character?...Would Kitty create a tie-in with Magneto's plot and the climatic ending just as dramatic? I seriously doubt that...I couldn't imagine how it could've gone without Rogue being there..

-TNC

[Mistopurr83]

What does Anna Paquin have anything to do with it?...

-TNC

I think that's psylockolussus way of saying Anna Paquin was the wrong kind of actress for the part. I for one will say Paquin is one of those timid and frail looking actresses that I can't believe as an action heroine.

[Cyclops]

Really? What a shock.

[Mistopurr83]

But isn't Rogue a more popular character?...Would Kitty create a tie-in with Magneto's plot and the climatic ending just as dramatic? I seriously doubt that...I couldn't imagine how it could've gone without Rogue being there..

-TNC

Why do you think popularity matters more than accuracy??? Magneto did threaten to kill Kitty Pryde once back in the 80's (can't remember what issue) soon after she joined the x-men. So I think there could have been a tie-in between her and Magneto. Maybe you should try harder on imagining how it would've been without Rogue. I sure can.

[Cyclops]

Why does popularity matter more than accuracy? Are you NUTS or just stupid? :confused:

Not to mention, as was stated, Rogue's mutation provided a plot point that Kitty Pryde could never have provided, because Magneto wanted to use her to power his machine.

I think most of you people are just too eager for instant gratification at the sacrifice of story. You'd rather have Rogue start off with all her powers and be the exact same person she is now rather than let her grow into it as she has been doing.

I think giving her flight and super strength is unlikely, and would probably cause infringement issues since the powers she stole came from a character who has viability in an entirely different movie franchise. But really... give the character time to grow! God damn, you people really need to learn about a virtue called patience.

[Mistopurr83]

Why does popularity matter more than accuracy? Are you NUTS or just stupid? :confused:

Not to mention, as was stated, Rogue's mutation provided a plot point that Kitty Pryde could never have provided, because Magneto wanted to use her to power his machine.

I think most of you people are just too eager for instant gratification at the sacrifice of story. You'd rather have Rogue start off with all her powers and be the exact same person she is now rather than let her grow into it as she has been doing.

I think giving her flight and super strength is unlikely, and would probably cause infringement issues since the powers she stole came from a character who has viability in an entirely different movie franchise. But really... give the character time to grow! God damn, you people really need to learn about a virtue called patience.

No need to reply to everything you just said so I'll say this. Your only making up these idiotic excuses in order to defend a character that you like. If Kitty Pryde had been in that role you and everyone else wouldn't even be imagining how it would've been if Rogue had been the one. Many of us are eager for instant gratification b/c it's how comic Rogue was almost always portrayed. A full prepaired x-man going with the team on dangerous missions. Why bother letting this wannabe grow when the X3 trailer doesn't show her doing anything but looking upset? So do me a favor and don't tell us what to do b/c no matter what you say we're not gonna agree with you on this.


Moving on. For those of you (such as myself) who would really love to see the comic Rogue actually shown on screen; forget about that happening in the movies (since X3 is said to be the last one)! Just be hopeful that will happen if they ever make x-men into a live action TV show someday in the near future.

[Cyclops]

I don't feel like doing you any favors. Nor have I told you what to do.

[Ichi]

The fundamentals of Rogue are in the movies: her power, Southern w/accent, her hair(by the end of X1) and thats about it.

If the movies were "accurate" to the comics(even though the comics aren't always accurate to each other) the Shi'ar would show up in X3, Wolverine would be hitting on the young girls, every female character would be played by a Playboy model, and every guy character would be played by a wrestler. Of course they would also need plenty of spandex, especially yellow for Wolverine(which makes so much sense for a character with a assassin/military background), etc.

Th bottom line is these movies are based off of the comics, not direct adaptations.

[Mistopurr83]

If the movies were "accurate" to the comics(even though the comics aren't always accurate to each other) the Shi'ar would show up in X3, Wolverine would be hitting on the young girls, every female character would be played by a Playboy model, and every guy character would be played by a wrestler. Of course they would also need plenty of spandex, especially yellow for Wolverine(which makes so much sense for a character with a assassin/military background), etc.

Th bottom line is these movies are based off of the comics, not direct adaptations.

Look I said "more" accurate and more does NOT mean "exactly" accurate. It's like Daredevil, Elektra and Batman in the movies don't wear costumes exactly accurate to their comic costumes but they look more accurate. Just think about this one simple detail.

[Sasquatch]

Wait for X3 and see what they do with her character then...After that, you can do as much complaining as you want..

I have a feeling I will still be disappointed with her character. But here's to hope!
:O

[GL1]

Moving on. For those of you (such as myself) who would really love to see the comic Rogue actually shown on screen; forget about that happening in the movies (since X3 is said to be the last one)! Just be hopeful that will happen if they ever make x-men into a live action TV show someday in the near future.

This may just be ANOTHER valid arguement that you ignore, here, but I have to say: How come no one complains about how different Cyclops, Storm and Wolverine are from their comics counterparts?

Few do. I'm not entirely sure what the problem with Rogue is, but Rogue is just as accurate as everything else in the movie. From Wolverine, to Cerebro to "Reverend" Striker.

As for her being "useless," well that's just a matter of persepctive, and VERY subjective. Rogue's mutant ability involved copying powers, meaning she is useful for anything given the right plot, whether that be dive tackling juggernaut or being used by magneto to start a revolution.

Also, Anna is a talented actor, and, to be honest, makes a more convincing teenager flying a jet than I've seen in all my years of magically talented high tech superhero watching.

Is she useful in a fistfight? No, perhaps not, but why should she be? Her power lends itself to so much more than just being a clone of Ms. Marvel, and I'm glad shows like X-Men Evolution and the movies are taking advantage of that instead of just making her supergirl...

Additionally, please notice... that there are plenty other X-Men being useful in Rogue's place. all significantly powered down from the comics...

[trazz]

This may just be ANOTHER valid arguement that you ignore, here, but I have to say: How come no one complains about how different Cyclops, Storm and Wolverine are from their comics counterparts?

Few do. I'm not entirely sure what the problem with Rogue is, but Rogue is just as accurate as everything else in the movie. From Wolverine, to Cerebro to "Reverend" Striker.

As for her being "useless," well that's just a matter of persepctive, and VERY subjective. Rogue's mutant ability involved copying powers, meaning she is useful for anything given the right plot, whether that be dive tackling juggernaut or being used by magneto to start a revolution.

Also, Anna is a talented actor, and, to be honest, makes a more convincing teenager flying a jet than I've seen in all my years of magically talented high tech superhero watching.

Is she useful in a fistfight? No, perhaps not, but why should she be? Her power lends itself to so much more than just being a clone of Ms. Marvel, and I'm glad shows like X-Men Evolution and the movies are taking advantage of that instead of just making her supergirl...

Additionally, please notice... that there are plenty other X-Men being useful in Rogue's place. all significantly powered down from the comics...

You're completely missing the point. No one is talking about Rogue deviating from the comic books. No one is saying that the movie Rogue doesn't have POTENTIAL to be important. But as done in the last 2 movies, she has shown NOTHING other than being a tag-along. Thats the problem...they're not doing anything with her, where as in the comics she played a big role.

And whoever said that Anna doesn't give off the presence of a heroine, I agree ;o

[ljr]

I swear you are either completely ignorant of the comic rogue or a idiot.Rogue is not just her miss marvel powers and to say she is useless is ridiculous.She is an evolving character in the movies,she was written that way so she could take non-comic book fans through the journey of her finding out who she is and where she belongs-which is with the x-men.She couldn't possibly know how to use her powers to their full advantage ,cause she only developed them at the beginning of x1,and she was completely untrained unlike storm,cykes,jean and wolvy.Now she is part of the team she will be so much more active and capable with her powers(evidence of that is her presence in the DR in the trailor).Plus you obviously have never read a comic or you would know there have been numerous times when rogue has been emotionally vunerable because of the nature of her powers,so before you complain about anna's protrayal of rogue be a little more educated and understand these are the movie version and not a complete copy of the comics-which means they go about things differently.

[conan69]

" Many of us are eager for instant gratification b/c it's how comic Rogue was almost always portrayed"

Wolverine, Storm, Magneto,Mystique aretn the same as they were portrayed in the comics either. Why dont you complain about them.

Storm is strong,proud and dangerous,not weak like Halle has portrayed her. Wolverine isnt so girl-ish and would never kiss Jean no matter how much he wanted to, Mystique is completely different.

The movie is a "adaptation of the source material" in the comics. Rogues mutant ability is to take others for a limited period of time - how would you explain super strength and flight in the films?
The only weve seen with the ability to fly is Storm and its more like floating or gliding. Who would she steal that power from?

These films are based in reality and they wanted to use Rogues original mutant ability, which IMHO is the way to go.


If you want comic book Rogue, then read the comic books.

[Pazarius]

how would you explain super strength and flight in the films?
The only weve seen with the ability to fly is Storm and its more like floating or gliding. Who would she steal that power from?

These films are based in reality

Except, they're not based on reality. They're based on the average audience member's feeble understanding of reality, and consequently a lot of the decisions that have been made regarding which powers are too unrealistic don't make any real sense.

Take Wolverine's power for example. I'll forgo the practical impossibility of a viable life form’s metabolism being fast enough to repair itself, and get straight to the crucial matter, conservation of mass. A body regenerating at a greatly increased rate would need to be supplied with the necessary raw materials (proteins etc.) for replacing dead cells at the same greatly increased rate. As there is no such supply, Wolverine's body should very quickly lose its ability to regenerate; the fact that it does not proves that the principle of conservation of mass is being broken.

Next to that, circumventing gravity somehow and flying is downright plausible.

Similar arguments can be made against other character's powers being any more realistic, in a completely accurate sense, than flying.

Regarding Rogue's usefulness, although I did think she was very effective in the role given to her in X1, I have to agree with the basic sentiment (if not the reasoning) of the thread starter; at this point in time her character is of little use.

In X1 Rogue represents one facet of the mutant experience; a runaway, an outcast because of her powers (which seem nothing but a curse to her), struggling to find acceptance, to be somewhere she belongs. Of course, now that she has found acceptance with the X-Men, this story is concluded, and she doesn't seem to have anything else to justify more screen time.

If Rogue were not in X1, the film would have to have been substantially different, and would lose some of its best moments. Conversely, if Rogue were not in X2, would anyone have noticed? Her character doesn't seem to be going anywhere anymore.

I do think something needs to happen to shake her character up a bit, to make her interesting again. Giving her another mutants powers permanently, as well as the associated mental problems due to retaining a personality strong enough to overpower her own, would certainly achieve this. It would however be silly to think that this is the only way to do it; the writers may well be able to come up with a way to rejuvenate her character which fits better into the overall plot.

[conan69]

What a thoughtful excellent post. :)

We need more of that here.

I dont disagree with anything you said, I disagree with the "Rogue in the movies isnt the same as the comics/isnt hot enough(which I definitely dont agree with)/cant fly/etc" endless whinning.

A movie isnt a comic book.

[Mistopurr83]

ljr and conan69, your only saying these things in order to defend a character you like which only makes me dislike her even more! I don't care what you say b/c I will always consider the movie Rogue a useless whiner. You also can't seem to comprehend that Rogue being considered useless by people like me is not just b/c of her not having additional permanent powers. It's basically b/c she's too weak, she's not a heroine at all and she acts like a first class wossie.

Your wondering why nobody her is talking about Mystique, Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops, Deathstrike and Magneto? Well duh, it's simply b/c this thread is NOT about them! Are you blind for god sakes? Anyway I think the main reason people are not as disapointed with them in the movies is b/c so far they haven't been treated like useless whiners. I don't recall them being damsel in distresses constantly screaming and not kicking a$$ physically or powerwise. Storm (yeah she's weak looking and pretty useless but this isn't about her) and Magneto did plenty with their powers while the others got to fight back physically at some points. Rogue however was not able to do either of these things. Absorbing Pyro at the Drake home doesn't count b/c he was not a villain yet. He was still a classmate to her. Not only that Pyro at least got to kick a$$ by driving the police away with his powers and Iceman did fight back against Styker (powerwise) by creating that ice wall. I don't recall Pyro and Iceman being treated as constant whiners screaming for help either. That's why I don't consider them as useless as Rogue. So face it Rogue is the most useless for being a whiner, a damsel in distress, kicking no a$$ physically or powerwise and for being a sidelined bystander. You also can't compare Evo Rogue to the movie Rogue. Aside from both not having additional permanent powers their nothing alike and you should know why that is.

I don't know which comic movie is the most unfaithful to it's source material. It's either X-Men, Constantine or Catwoman. Each of those comic films were NOT staying faithful. They looked more like they were trying to recreate everything that existed in the original universe. Which totally does not do it for me. I bet if Catwoman and Constantine had turned out to be master peices (which of course they weren't) people like conan69 and ljr would be making up the same BS excuses for their changes just to defend what they liked.:down When you say the movie is not the comic, that's a BS excuse your coming up with in order to defend a movie you like.

[Cyclops]

So what does that make you? A BS poster who uses generalizations to attack a movie that you DON'T like and can't stand that other people DO like?

[Mistopurr83]

So what does that make you? A BS poster who uses generalizations to attack a movie that you DON'T like and can't stand that other people DO like?

I'm not answering that.

[Cyclops]

You already did, long before I asked it.

Look, if people can say that they DIDN'T like Rogue, then people can say that they DID. It's just fair.

See, it's called "opinion", and everyone's is different. Just because someone likes what you don't doesn't make their opinion BS. The fact that you want to discredit someone's opinion because it doesn't line up with yours makes YOU BS.

[Yellow Ranger]

^ i like you :p !

[ljr]

Why thank you cyclops,and to Mistopurr if you dislike the character and movie so much go to another forum and take your ignorant posts with you.

[Yellow Ranger]

how do you rate how useful a character is? is it screen time? is it their mutant power? is it how many lines they have? think about this: mystique had 18 words in the first movie......18...... yet she was very heavily involved with the situation in x2. rogue was the key to the entire plot of x1, but in x2, she was more in the background. if i remember correctly, neither the animated series, nor did the comics focus on one single character for very long. in some episodes, handfulls of x-men wouldn't even make an appearance, but that didn't make them useless. all the characters don't all have equal exposure in every single installment all the time. rogues powers weren't as applicable in x2 as they were in x1, so she didn't use them as much. if the x mansion is burning down, prof. x's powers are going to be pretty useless against the blaze, but storm and bobby are going to be front and center with their powers to put out the fire. does prof. x's lack of ability to call rain or create ice make him a useless character?

mistopurr83:
i can't imagine kitty in rogue's role in x1. her power would have no use in x1's plot. how/why would magneto use kitty's power to his advantage? you seem to get offended when someone disagrees with you, so i'm not disagreeing with you, i'm simply asking how you imagine kitty in that role.... i sure can't.

[soramickey]

I couldn't have said it better myself :up:

[Mistopurr83]

how/why would magneto use kitty's power to his advantage? you seem to get offended when someone disagrees with you, so i'm not disagreeing with you, i'm simply asking how you imagine kitty in that role.... i sure can't.

Well you must not know how to use your imagination. When Kitty Pryde first came in she was a plot device for the enemies (Hellfire club) the x-men were fighting against at the time. In my imagination they could've done something similar in X1. Only it would've been with the brotherhood. True the plot would've been different but not by a lot. Magneto could've used Kitty to get something he couldn't get b/c of her phasing ability than he would've made the x-men stay back by threatening to kill her (as he once did to Kitty in the comics). So that's my imagination of how it would've and could've been Kitty's role in X1. So don't tell me you can't imagine that being just as dramatic either. It would've been similar to how Green Goblin threatened to kill Mary Jane and those little kids in Spider-Man 1. Why do you think the other directors would've made it Kitty's role in the first place? They must've had something good in mind.

ljr, don't tell me where to go. I got a right to say what I want here. So if you can't stand my posts why don't you ignore them?

PS Rogue's power being the source of Magneto's revolution is an unrealistic and bad scientific theory. I don't know how absorbing somebody through some nonexistent machine would cause the end of humanity in real life.

[Mistopurr83]

You already did, long before I asked it.

Look, if people can say that they DIDN'T like Rogue, then people can say that they DID. It's just fair.

See, it's called "opinion", and everyone's is different. Just because someone likes what you don't doesn't make their opinion BS. The fact that you want to discredit someone's opinion because it doesn't line up with yours makes YOU BS.

Than why did you waste your time asking that question again??? Cylcops, you have issues. The opinions are not the problem here. It's people trying to make opinions sound like facts.

[Cyclops]

I have plenty of issues. Issues of X-Men, Spider-Man, BPRD, Captain America, Iron Man... ;) :p

And funny you mention that the problem is people trying to make opinions sound like facts... you're the one trying to discredit opinion because it doesn't fit yours...

[gambit_890]

hey all, 1st post here. didn't really see much on Rogue so sorry if it's been said before...

what is up w/ this character? this will be the 3rd movie she's been in and guess what? no flying, no super strength and let's be honest, not the looker or body type we're used to in the comics. all she's good for is overacting and NOT using her powers.

she's worse than any other character interpretation in this xmen series by far.

I understand where you’re coming from-Rouge isn’t the sexy, cool girl we’re use to; instead they made her into the “Jubilee” character. Don’t get me wrong I like Jubilee but enough give us the kick-ass Rouge.

[Mistopurr83]

I have plenty of issues. Issues of X-Men, Spider-Man, BPRD, Captain America, Iron Man... ;) :p

NO, I meant as in problems.

[Cyclops]

Well, yeah, who doesn't? But I hardly think it appropriate that someone like you should presume to tell me what my problems are. What's the old proverb? "Before you remove the splinter from your neighbor's eye, you must remove the beam from your own"?

[nightcrawler524]

I feel sad when they casted Anna Paquin, will never see the Real Rogue in the movies.



I have to agree with you we don't need Rogue in the movies, but she is an awsome character in the comics.

[WarBlade]

I like the movie Rogue. She's a much more logical extension of her comicbook origin than she became in the comicbooks throughout the 80's. Her power is to absorb/copy the power of another and I would prefer to have seen that retained on the page instead of becoming a second-class plot device to explain her problems with intimacy, but at the end of the day the movie version has a great actress performing a tricky role and there's plenty of room for development there in Rogue's evolution from fear of herself to acceptance and finally the coping mechanisms needed to get through day to day life.

I don't need (nor want) her flying around and lifting cars. That Rogue is a pale shadow of what she once was and is built for children who think more power is what makes a character great.

[Yellow Ranger]

Well you must not know how to use your imagination. When Kitty Pryde first came in she was a plot device for the enemies (Hellfire club) the x-men were fighting against at the time. In my imagination they could've done something similar in X1. Only it would've been with the brotherhood. True the plot would've been different but not by a lot. Magneto could've used Kitty to get something he couldn't get b/c of her phasing ability than he would've made the x-men stay back by threatening to kill her (as he once did to Kitty in the comics). So that's my imagination of how it would've and could've been Kitty's role in X1. So don't tell me you can't imagine that being just as dramatic either. It would've been similar to how Green Goblin threatened to kill Mary Jane and those little kids in Spider-Man 1. Why do you think the other directors would've made it Kitty's role in the first place? They must've had something good in mind.

ljr, don't tell me where to go. I got a right to say what I want here. So if you can't stand my posts why don't you ignore them?

PS Rogue's power being the source of Magneto's revolution is an unrealistic and bad scientific theory. I don't know how absorbing somebody through some nonexistent machine would cause the end of humanity in real life.


rogue's powers weren't the source of magneto's revolution, they were the key. big difference. he needed her powers to operate his machine. bottom line. as for your interpretation of how the story would've been had kitty been involved, here's what i think: the plot would have been much different by a whole lot. it would be difficult for magneto to hold kitty captive as a hostage if she could just phase through anything he locked her in. if kitty were tied to magneto's machine, she'd simply phase out of the locks. so the whole liberty island scene wouldn't be in the movie, and magneto's revolution wouldn't have been possible. what if wolverine had stabbed kitty through the chest? could kitty heal herself like rogue did? that would be gone from the first movie. if kitty were trapped in wolverine's burning truck, she would have just passed through the seatbelt to safety. so that's out of the first movie. rogue's role was very important in the first movie. if you want to take her out and put kitty in, you're asking for an entirely different movie. i've got my issues with x1, but it is still a good movie. if you don't like it and you refuse to change your mind about it, fine, that's your opinion and i respect it. but x1 worked for the most part as it was, with rogue, not kitty. if the writers thought kitty would make the movie work, they would have put her in it. :up:

[gambit_890]

I like the movie Rogue. She's a much more logical extension of her comicbook origin than she became in the comicbooks throughout the 80's. Her power is to absorb/copy the power of another and I would prefer to have seen that retained on the page instead of becoming a second-class plot device to explain her problems with intimacy, but at the end of the day the movie version has a great actress performing a tricky role and there's plenty of room for development there in Rogue's evolution from fear of herself to acceptance and finally the coping mechanisms needed to get through day to day life.

I don't need (nor want) her flying around and lifting cars. That Rogue is a pale shadow of what she once was and is built for children who think more power is what makes a character great.

I grew up watching the cartoon and loved Rouge not just because of her powers but her personality, which I hope we will see when Gambit finally enters the picture. I do have to disagree; Anna Paquin (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&id=1800019045&cf=gen) is not the best choice for the role. She may have the potential to become a great actress, but the Rouge part is not going to help her any for she was not made for that role.

[Yellow Ranger]

I grew up watching the cartoon and loved Rouge not just because of her powers but her personality, which I hope we will see when Gambit finally enters the picture. I do have to disagree; Anna Paquin (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&id=1800019045&cf=gen) is not the best choice for the role. She may have the potential to become a great actress, but the Rouge part is not going to help her any for she was not made for that role.

same here. i lked rogue for more reasons than just her powers. i liked her southern charm and sass in the animated series, and i liked her darker personality and her sarcasm and wit in the evolution series. i think too many characters were downplayed in both movies. i'd like to see more personality from all the characters. (except wolverine, magneto and prof. x. i think they got those characters perfect)

[Mistopurr83]

"rogue's powers weren't the source of magneto's revolution, they were the key. big difference. he needed her powers to operate his machine."

But still it'a an unrealistic and bad scientific theory. Absorbing powers being the key to operate a machine is nothing but make-believe.

"it would be difficult for magneto to hold kitty captive as a hostage if she could just phase through anything he locked her in. if kitty were tied to magneto's machine, she'd simply phase out of the locks."

Well I'm sure they would've had Magneto use something like a machine or his powers that would stop Kitty from using her phasing powers to get out of whatever she had been locked in. Now to answere the rest of your questions...

"what if wolverine had stabbed kitty through the chest? could kitty heal herself like rogue did?"

She would've had to react quickly and phase through the claws. That would've had audiences thinking, "Oh no what if she didn't phase through it in time?" That's if they were gonna have her go to him like that though.

"if kitty were trapped in wolverine's burning truck, she would have just passed through the seatbelt to safety."

Well this would've still been at the point where Kitty's powers had just manifested. If she had been trapped it would've been b/c she didn't have complete control of it or she wouldn't have understood yet how her powers work.

"rogue's role was very important in the first movie."

I don't care. I still think there would've been a way to make Kitty's role important in the first movie. Not just for being a scared girl looking for acceptance b/c of what she became, but also some kind of a plot device for Magneto.

"if you want to take her out and put kitty in, you're asking for an entirely different movie."

How can you be so sure it would've been an entirely different movie? I don't recall the filmmakers saying it would've been very different if Kitty had been the one.


"i've got my issues with x1, but it is still a good movie. if you don't like it and you refuse to change your mind about it, fine, that's your opinion and i respect it."

Fine but good movie does not rule out character and story screw ups.

"but x1 worked for the most part as it was, with rogue, not kitty. if the writers thought kitty would make the movie work, they would have put her in it.

What law said X1 had to be the way it was anyway? None obviously. It was nothing but imaginations from a gay and stubbern guy who didn't do his homework here and didn't care about anybody but his favorite characters. That's why I say Bryan Stinker just made these movies for himself. The writers (Tom De Santo and David Hayter I think) thought it was gonna work with Kitty Pryde until Bryan Stinker showed up.:down :o

[Mistopurr83]

I grew up watching the cartoon and loved Rouge not just because of her powers but her personality, which I hope we will see when Gambit finally enters the picture. I do have to disagree; Anna Paquin (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&id=1800019045&cf=gen) is not the best choice for the role. She may have the potential to become a great actress, but the Rouge part is not going to help her any for she was not made for that role.

What you say is so true. The other reasons why I loved comic/cartoon Rogue was also left out of the movieverse. Her tough and sassy personality also made her a real supervixen that wouldn't let people mess with her. Than the fact that she was once a villain fighting against the x-men and all other marvel heros made her history very dynamic and interesting. I even had a good idea on how this could've easily been explained in 3 different films.

[Mistopurr83]

i think too many characters were downplayed in both movies. i'd like to see more personality from all the characters.

That's why Matthew Vaughn (who originally was set to helm X3) once said one of the major problems he had with the first 2 films were that many characters were treated too simplistically. He was so right about that too.

[Yellow Ranger]

"rogue's powers weren't the source of magneto's revolution, they were the key. big difference. he needed her powers to operate his machine."

But still it'a an unrealistic and bad scientific theory. Absorbing powers being the key to operate a machine is nothing but make-believe.

"it would be difficult for magneto to hold kitty captive as a hostage if she could just phase through anything he locked her in. if kitty were tied to magneto's machine, she'd simply phase out of the locks."

Well I'm sure they would've had Magneto use something like a machine or his powers that would stop Kitty from using her phasing powers to get out of whatever she had been locked in. Now to answere the rest of your questions...

"what if wolverine had stabbed kitty through the chest? could kitty heal herself like rogue did?"

She would've had to react quickly and phase through the claws. That would've had audiences thinking, "Oh no what if she didn't phase through it in time?" That's if they were gonna have her go to him like that though.

"if kitty were trapped in wolverine's burning truck, she would have just passed through the seatbelt to safety."

Well this would've still been at the point where Kitty's powers had just manifested. If she had been trapped it would've been b/c she didn't have complete control of it or she wouldn't have understood yet how her powers work.

"rogue's role was very important in the first movie."

I don't care. I still think there would've been a way to make Kitty's role important in the first movie. Not just for being a scared girl looking for acceptance b/c of what she became, but also some kind of a plot device for Magneto.

"if you want to take her out and put kitty in, you're asking for an entirely different movie."

How can you be so sure it would've been an entirely different movie? I don't recall the filmmakers saying it would've been very different if Kitty had been the one.


"i've got my issues with x1, but it is still a good movie. if you don't like it and you refuse to change your mind about it, fine, that's your opinion and i respect it."

Fine but good movie does not rule out character and story screw ups.

"but x1 worked for the most part as it was, with rogue, not kitty. if the writers thought kitty would make the movie work, they would have put her in it.

What law said X1 had to be the way it was anyway? None obviously. It was nothing but imaginations from a gay and stubbern guy who didn't do his homework here and didn't care about anybody but his favorite characters. That's why I say Bryan Stinker just made these movies for himself. The writers (Tom De Santo and David Hayter I think) thought it was gonna work with Kitty Pryde until Bryan Stinker showed up.:down :o


..ok! :up:

[Cyclops]

First of all, the machine did not operate on Rogue's powers - it operated on Magneto's. This was plainly stated and frankly OBVIOUS. When he used it on Senator Kelly, it nearly killed him. So, his plan was to transfer his powers to Rogue and use her, WITH HIS POWERS, to operate the machine on a much larger scale so as to not kill him.

How could anybody miss that? And just how could Kitty fill that role?

[WarBlade]

I grew up watching the cartoon
The cartoon was based on a comicbook. The movies were based on a comicbook. The movie has no need to acknowledge the cartoon in any way.

What's worse is how fans of the comicbook today have no clue who Rogue was back in her early days. That character was the basis for the movie Rogue, not some sassy extrovert that she was re-written as later.

[Cyclops]

She wasn't even all that attractive back when she was introduced. They changed her into the sexy-flirty cartoon character she's been lately because Jim Lee was unable to draw an average-looking superheroine.

[nightcrawler524]

The cartoon was based on a comicbook. The movies were based on a comicbook. The movie has no need to acknowledge the cartoon in any way.

What's worse is how fans of the comicbook today have no clue who Rogue was back in her early days. That character was the basis for the movie Rogue, not some sassy extrovert that she was re-written as later.

You Know what gambit_890 ment. What are you jealous because now body quotes you.

[Star]

Uhh, you just quoted him....

And what did gambit_890 ''mean'' that warblade missed, exactly? everything warblade said was right...

[Yellow Ranger]

First of all, the machine did not operate on Rogue's powers - it operated on Magneto's. This was plainly stated and frankly OBVIOUS. When he used it on Senator Kelly, it nearly killed him. So, his plan was to transfer his powers to Rogue and use her, WITH HIS POWERS, to operate the machine on a much larger scale so as to not kill him.

How could anybody miss that? And just how could Kitty fill that role?

yeah, i totally understand that concept. i was just trying to show mistopurr83 how important rogue was in the first movie. i say rogue was the key not because the machine needed her powers to work, but because magneto needed her power so that he wouldn't die. mistopurr83 'explained' how kitty would fit more convincingly than rogue in his/her last post to me. please read it, it's quite funny....... something about using rogue is an unrealistic scientific theory. :)

[Cyclops]

Oh, Mistopurr's always been funny. The most single-minded one-trick pony I have ever seen on a message board.

[Pazarius]

I like the movie Rogue. She's a much more logical extension of her comicbook origin than she became in the comicbooks throughout the 80's.

What exactly do you mean by 'logical' anyway? How do the rules of logic apply to character development? Why is it more logical that Rogue just have her absorbing powers, than for her to permanently absorb extra powers? And if it is, why should we care?

Don't you really mean "I didn't like Rogue after she gained Ms. Marvels powers, so it's right that she doesn't have them in the movie"?

That Rogue is a pale shadow of what she once was

Well, that's your opinion, but I find it surprising. Most people who approve of Movie Rogue do so out of an appreciation that films have to depart significantly from comic books, you're the first person I've heard arguing that giving Rogue extra powers was a bad idea in the comic books.

You make it sound as if Rogue had some sort of long and glorious history prior to the incident with Ms. Marvel, instead of just making a small number of appearances in obscure titles.

and is built for children who think more power is what makes a character great.

I think you're being unfair here, both on the writers and the people who liked Rogue as she appeared in the X-Men comics.

What I thought could be very effective about Rogue after she joined the X-Men was the combination of her powers and her character. Due to Carol Danver's psyche, being forced to leave the only family she had ever known, and the inevitable isolation caused by the nature of her powers, she was mentally weak, yet at the same time impervious to physical harm. I liked the contrast between her mental fragility and her physical invulnerability.

[Mistopurr83]

yeah, i totally understand that concept. i was just trying to show mistopurr83 how important rogue was in the first movie. i say rogue was the key not because the machine needed her powers to work, but because magneto needed her power so that he wouldn't die. mistopurr83 'explained' how kitty would fit more convincingly than rogue in his/her last post to me. please read it, it's quite funny....... something about using rogue is an unrealistic scientific theory. :)

That's b/c it's my opinion, deal with it. Rogue's powers are meant to kill others, not to help them live. That's the other unrealistic thing. It just doesn't make sense. I never said Kitty Pryde would've been "more" important by the way. I was giving you a good reason why Kitty could've been used as an important character just as much. The problem with you and Cyclops is you can't comprehend on something I'm trying to explain the best I can.

[WarBlade]

What exactly do you mean by 'logical' anyway? How do the rules of logic apply to character development?
I mean that if someone could no longer touch anyone else, they lose a huge part of what makes them human and their personality would be adversely effected. Movie Rogue like the original comicbook Rogue is shown to suffer through that and come out of it a stronger and determined person. The comicbook however showed the suffering and then twisted her into her own opposite: A wise-cracking extrovert. That Rogue makes absolutely no sense personality-wise and I feel would come off on screen as absurd as a yellow spandex suit with long 'ears' and boot appendages.

Why is it more logical that Rogue just have her absorbing powers, than for her to permanently absorb extra powers? And if it is, why should we care?
Hmm, did I speak to that? No I didn't.

Don't you really mean "I didn't like Rogue after she gained Ms. Marvels powers, so it's right that she doesn't have them in the movie"?
No, I really mean exactly what I posted.

Well, that's your opinion, but I find it surprising. Most people who approve of Movie Rogue do so out of an appreciation that films have to depart significantly from comic books, you're the first person I've heard arguing that giving Rogue extra powers was a bad idea in the comic books.
Again, I did not argue that at all.

You make it sound as if Rogue had some sort of long and glorious history prior to the incident with Ms. Marvel, instead of just making a small number of appearances in obscure titles.
No, but if that's your impression then you've mis-read more than what you've practically told me you've mis-read.

I think you're being unfair here, both on the writers and the people who liked Rogue as she appeared in the X-Men comics.
Unfair? How?

I like Rogue as she appeared in the comicbooks. I just don't like Rogue as she appeared in the comicbooks after she stepped through the Seige Perilous. This is the point that you don't seem to grasp: She had a history with the X-Men that was a different Rogue from the character she was rewritten into later on. The Rogue that you probably like is nothing to me and as much like the Rogue I remember as Halle Berry's Catwoman is to fans of the Bat-universe.

What I thought could be very effective about Rogue after she joined the X-Men was the combination of her powers and her character. Due to Carol Danver's psyche, being forced to leave the only family she had ever known, and the inevitable isolation caused by the nature of her powers, she was mentally weak, yet at the same time impervious to physical harm. I liked the contrast between her mental fragility and her physical invulnerability.
Then you'd like Rogue, the real Rogue as she was when she flew around in the green hooded jumpsuit. Jim Lee's Supermodel-glamourgirl-extrovert-Rogue was a ridiculous and unnecessary change IMO.

[Yellow Ranger]

That's b/c it's my opinion, deal with it. Rogue's powers are meant to kill others, not to help them live. That's the other unrealistic thing. It just doesn't make sense. I never said Kitty Pryde would've been "more" important by the way. I was giving you a good reason why Kitty could've been used as an important character just as much. The problem with you and Cyclops is you can't comprehend on something I'm trying to explain the best I can.

i can deal with your opinion just fine, you don't seem to be able to deal with anyone else's. rogue's powers are meant to kill? ok, i'll give you that. magneto did manipulate rogue's powers to kill humans, but he was doing it to help mutants. it's all in how you look at it. rogue didn't want to kill anyone, by the way, magneto did. you think it's unrealistic for something to be meant to "kill others and not help them live"? smallpox is a real disease and it doesn't help people live at all. it only kills. aids is real and it doesn't help people live. it only kills. same goes for cancer, tumors, nuclear war, hurricanes and so on. so see, it is very realistic for something to exist that only kills and doesn't help anyone.......but i'm sure you think kitty pride phasing through walls and floors is realistic. i didn't say you were trying to make kitty seem "more important" i said that you were trying to make her "more convincing" than rogue. if you are trying to explain yourself the best you can, then i apoligize for arguing with you. i understand what you are trying to say, but it still doesn't make sense. the problem with you is that you can't comprehend what i'm explaining as best (and as simply) i can.....

[Yellow Ranger]

The cartoon was based on a comicbook. The movies were based on a comicbook. The movie has no need to acknowledge the cartoon in any way.

What's worse is how fans of the comicbook today have no clue who Rogue was back in her early days. That character was the basis for the movie Rogue, not some sassy extrovert that she was re-written as later.

i agree with everything you've said. although i did like the animated series rogue, i like the 'darker', more distant almost bitter rogue even more. both versions make sense, in my opinion.
in the animated series and later versions of rogue, she uses charm, sass and wit to try and hide her depression and pain, and the added stress of keeping up this 'act' adds to the realism of her character. when she can't pretend to be happy anymore and that mask falls off, you can see her really break down. that seems realistic to me. some people, when deprerssed, use humor to try to hide their depression from others.
on the other hand, the darker rogue doesn't try to hide anything from anybody, nor does she try to mask her pain. and that totally seems realistic to me. how many people do you know who walk around with f**k off written in their face? i know a lot of them. that's how i see the darker rogue.
like i said, i like them both and i can relate to both of them, but the darker rogue is just a cooler character.

[conan69]

"What's worse is how fans of the comicbook today have no clue who Rogue was back in her early days. That character was the basis for the movie Rogue, not some sassy extrovert that she was re-written as later."

THANK YOU!!!

[intensity]

I think Jubilee should have been the core new character to the team in the X-Men movies instead of Rogue. I like Rogue in the comics, but she isn't interesting enough in my opinion to hold much attention.
Jubilee's powers would have been so much more appealing and eye catching than movieverse Rogue. They could have introduced her the same exact way too.... where Jube's parents are murdered and Jubilee hitchhikes to Canada and runs into Wolverine.... forming a bond with him. Magneto could have used her energy to charge a mutant energy wave very similar to how he did with Rogue... the difference would be that Jubilee would be more true to the comics and that her powers would have more kick and pizzaz to them. What is Rogue going to do to a sentinel or armed soldier or henchman if she has to get close to them without getting blasted? She wouldn't even be able to damage a robot without her strength or flight... Jubilee would blast, roll, cover, and blast some more.:up:

[Yellow Ranger]

I think Jubilee should have been the core new character to the team in the X-Men movies instead of Rogue. I like Rogue in the comics, but she isn't interesting enough in my opinion to hold much attention.
Jubilee's powers would have been so much more appealing and eye catching than movieverse Rogue. They could have introduced her the same exact way too.... where Jube's parents are murdered and Jubilee hitchhikes to Canada and runs into Wolverine.... forming a bond with him. Magneto could have used her energy to charge a mutant energy wave very similar to how he did with Rogue... the difference would be that Jubilee would be more true to the comics and that her powers would have more kick and pizzaz to them. What is Rogue going to do to a sentinel or armed soldier or henchman if she has to get close to them without getting blasted? She wouldn't even be able to damage a robot without her strength or flight... Jubilee would blast, roll, cover, and blast some more.:up:

yeah, i could see that. cool idea. jubilee's powers are prettier than rogue's. i'm all for the idea of rogue not having super-strength and flight, but in all incarnations of her character, she was a at least good fighter. i'm worried about how movie rogue will suddenly develop some sort of fighting style that she can use in the field. it's not like she can absorb a sentinels powers. x3 seems to be being more true to the characters and their powers. i hope rogue fights like a brawler in the movie, not karate or anything like that.

[Pazarius]

Hmm, did I speak to that? No I didn't.
Again, I did not argue that at all.

You made a series of vague statements complaining about how Rogue had changed in the comic books, I assumed you were (like a lot of people on this thread) referring to the whole 'should Rogue have all her comic book powers debate'. Assuming this, your post didn't make much sense, but then quite a few posts don't on these boards.

The following two sentences seemed to confirm that you were complaining about Rogue being given Ms. Marvel's powers.

Her power is to absorb/copy the power of another and I would prefer to have seen that retained on the pageI don't need (nor want) her flying around and lifting cars. That Rogue is a pale shadow of what she once was and is built for children who think more power is what makes a character great.

I'll apologise for misinterpreting your post as it’s the polite thing to do. But would you re-read your own post and tell me if you honestly think it was perfectly clear what you were talking about?

I like Rogue as she appeared in the comicbooks. I just don't like Rogue as she appeared in the comicbooks after she stepped through the Seige Perilous. This is the point that you don't seem to grasp: She had a history with the X-Men that was a different Rogue from the character she was rewritten into later on. The Rogue that you probably like is nothing to me and as much like the Rogue I remember as Halle Berry's Catwoman is to fans of the Bat-universe.

Now you're the one labouring under a misapprehension. I'm not a fan of the modern comics who is largely ignorant of what came before; I'm a fan of the early 80's comics who is largely ignorant of what came after.

[WarBlade]

I'll apologise for misinterpreting your post as it’s the polite thing to do. But would you re-read your own post and tell me if you honestly think it was perfectly clear what you were talking about?
Yes, it's quite clear. Unfortunately you've just chopped the first sentence up to give it a whole new meaning when you removed the point about the absorption being relegated to a second class plot device. The second quoted statement should also be quite clear: I have no taste for a movie representation of Rogue that has her zipping around the sky and throwing cars.

Now you're the one labouring under a misapprehension. I'm not a fan of the modern comics who is largely ignorant of what came before; I'm a fan of the early 80's comics who is largely ignorant of what came after.
Really? That's surprising. Most people of that generation of readers that I've met tend to prefer the earlier renditions and roll there eyes up at the later stuff. I tend to find that people who question me on my Rogue viewpoint and extole the virtues of the 'modern Rogue' are generally the younger crowd who's knowledge of the character often starts around the Jim Lee inspired version of the cartoon. Likewise, apologies for the confusion.

[Mistopurr83]

I think Jubilee should have been the core new character to the team in the X-Men movies instead of Rogue. I like Rogue in the comics, but she isn't interesting enough in my opinion to hold much attention.
Jubilee's powers would have been so much more appealing and eye catching than movieverse Rogue. They could have introduced her the same exact way too.... where Jube's parents are murdered and Jubilee hitchhikes to Canada and runs into Wolverine.... forming a bond with him. Magneto could have used her energy to charge a mutant energy wave very similar to how he did with Rogue... the difference would be that Jubilee would be more true to the comics and that her powers would have more kick and pizzaz to them. What is Rogue going to do to a sentinel or armed soldier or henchman if she has to get close to them without getting blasted? She wouldn't even be able to damage a robot without her strength or flight... Jubilee would blast, roll, cover, and blast some more.:up:

That's an interesting point. Those are great ideas on how Jubilee could've easily been in that "new comer" role too. It worked with her in that role in TAS and in the 90's comics. Since Jubilee's parents were murdered that's one thing that could've made her role very dramatic in X1. Thanx to you I can now see why Jubilee would've been good enough to play that role in X1. Before that I could only imagine how it would've been if Kitty Pryde had played the scared new comer role.

[moonstar]

She wasn't even all that attractive back when she was introduced. They changed her into the sexy-flirty cartoon character she's been lately because Jim Lee was unable to draw an average-looking superheroine.
Soo not true ROGUE'S PERSONALITY was hot back in the day even her body-
back when she wore the black bodysuit/torn green top and that spikey hair from hell.
I was just reading some phoenix (a.d.) books - I think around the Trial of Magneto/Nimrod storylines and her honesty and I dont give a crap about making out with any hot guy I beat (up)humor was hilarious..I've loved her ever since.

I for one would like to see her in an xmovie as a 24 year old not a teenager. Does anyone think Kelly Clarkson would be great if she can act?
Then they can explore the whole gambit thing...

[Cyclops]

Are you sure? "Cause more often than not, the pre-Jim-Lee Rogue I read was a moody, mopy brooder who was only a bit extroverted when the Carol Danvers in her took over.

[Dark Beast]

Look Watson! Proof! ahaaaa!

pre-jim lee:
http://hem.passagen.se/hggblom1/phoenix/d_rogue.jpg


Jim Lee:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/phrog220/thumbs/_Rogue-UXM269.jpg

post Jim Lee:
http://www.comicsvf.com/scans/vf/marvelfrance/maximumxmen/14.jpg

And Rogue's charactre has changed with this total make-over. It happens everywhere with all kinds of charactres, though.

[conan69]

Heres some scans of how Rogue was MEANT to look before these guys starting looking at Playboys and supermodels or whatever for models of what theyre drawing.....

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/2176/lastscan8rk.th.jpg (http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lastscan8rk.jpg)

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/5061/lastscan20xj.th.jpg (http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lastscan20xj.jpg)

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/1048/lastscan33pg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Mistopurr83]

Heres some scans of how Rogue was MEANT to look before these guys starting looking at Playboys and supermodels or whatever for models of what theyre drawing.....

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/2176/lastscan8rk.th.jpg (http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lastscan8rk.jpg)

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/5061/lastscan20xj.th.jpg (http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lastscan20xj.jpg)

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/1048/lastscan33pg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Rogue was meant to look that way at the time b/c that's when she was an evil member of the brotherhood. Originally they were gonna make her a 40 year old woman. I read in a Rogue bio that Rogue uglied herself up and dyed the middle of her white streak the same color as the rest of her hair for 2 reasons. The first reason was b/c that was her way of trying to fit in with the brotherhood and the second was to keep people away from her. This is something that ended up being influenced on X-Men Evolution (if you know what I mean). Anyway somebody who really cared about comic Rogue would've had her start out as a member of the brotherhood in the movies. Rogue should've been the dynamic character in the movies going from being a runaway, to a brotherhood member and then to an x-man. I'm sure she would've looked like an ugly teenage girl with short punk hair.

[Dark Beast]

They preferred an other way to do it. Live with it.

[Mistopurr83]

They preferred an other way to do it. Live with it.

Why bother? Oh and "another" is one word, not two words.

[Dark Beast]

Why bother? Oh and "another" is one word, not two words.

:eek: Well.. guess I'm still dutch...

I bother cause I see it a different way. In my head the X-men movies are a different take on the X-men. A different view. Writers/directors make some artistic choices when converting stories into movies. And because they have some freedom they can do the job the way they want to. Artistic choices. You can't just force all your ideas in a creative work.
Just try to write a story with 15 x-men charactres. Somewhere you'll get stuck, because you can't fit in these 3 charactres somewhere without drasticly changing the way fans think they are.

You can say 'Rogue should be like this..' and 'Rogue should be like that'.. and I can understand why... but they made the choice to make Rogue a different charactre. Why? Because they wanted to do it THEIR way... Just like you want it YOUR way. Because it didn't fit into the plot. Because they wanted to tell a different story. If someone else wants a different story, they can go make one if they want. I'm sure that if you were a director, it probably would've worked your way, too. But you're not... I'm Sorry. :O

Good stories are made by tough choices. AoA was brilliant because the writers could do what they wanted: change charactres, kill of charactres.. make Havok a bad guy, make Sabretooth a good guy... marry Rogue with Magneto... Destroy France... Nuke New York... If people didn't like it, they just had to wait a few months and everything would be back to normal.
If you don't like this particular take on Rogue, don't watch it. You can always skip the scenes with Rogue with your DVD-remote.

[Stars & Garters]

Look, the character's name is ROGUE and yet the movie version hasn't really done anything rogue-ish unless you count running away...twice in the first movie (oh, way to rebel)
Good thing there are interesting characters in the movie who are getting more of the spotlight now.
We can consign the movie Rogue to just another wasted opportunity.

[conan69]

Dark Beast, my comments about the way Rogue was "meant" to be are to ewveryone who thinks shes supposed to be some hot sexpot model.

The character wasnt intended to look that way, but made that way becuase people lack imagination. Why does everyone in a comic book have to look like a model? Its ridiculous.

I agree with what you said and Ive said many times the movies are adapted from the comic books, the source material. Its the spirit of the characters that important.

A direct translation isnt necessary and often wont work.

Film is not a comic book.

These people just dont seem to understand that.

They want to see some hot broad in high heels (which is stupid) and tight clothes flying around and smashing walls - forgetting that these films are based in reality.

[ljr]

I completely agree with you conan.

[Dark Beast]

Dark Beast, my comments about the way Rogue was "meant" to be are to ewveryone who thinks shes supposed to be some hot sexpot model. etc.

Yeah, well.. my comment wasn't directed against against you. You actually say the same things I said above. :)

[soramickey]

I don't think Rogue is useless at all, she didn't get that much action in the first two movies. I think Rogue is gonna get alot of action in the third film because she in the DANGER ROOM. And she might be in the war against the brother hood.

I like rogue the way she is now but maybe she might develop the other powers becuase its too late for her to steal them.

[CodeOfGambit24]

I agree that Rogue is not a useless character. If by useless you mean under-developed then maybe.....

But keep in mind before the whole Ms. Marvel storyline she pretty much was a boring character. The stark contrast that she looked really good, and could kill you with a single kiss, is what made it interesting to a point but then it gets old.

I think that they still could introduce the Ms. Marvel Storyline end her relationship with Iceman and start the relationship with Gambit. And I think it can be done in a way that everyone will be able to identify with, regardless of their history with comic lore.

I think they are on the right track as far as making her a mid-major character right now until all the drama and tension breaks loose and she becomes the woman that we know she will be. But she can't get there by herself....she needs gambit, mystique, and Ms. Marvel.

[SuperT]

I may be mistaken, but isn't movie Rogue just comic book Rogue before she received her powers from Carol Danvers?

[CodeOfGambit24]

Yeah she is. Mystique needs to become independent of the Brotherhood. Then Rogue leaves the Xmen. She joins the Brotherhood for a short time and then leaves just as abruptly. After she leaves she is intercepted a spends some time with Mystique. Mystique gets her to take Carol Danvers powers and then she returns with to the Xmen.

[Infinity9999x]

Well, the person in the movies isn't Rouge. I would have been okay if they had JUST taken away the super strength/flying aspect, but they killed her personality too. They took a character who is supposed to be a cocky, energetic person, and turned her into a shy, unconfident girl. What is it with Marvel and their strong woman roles? They did the same thing to Mary Jane in spider-man.

[Infinity9999x]

Really, there is no Rouge in the movies. They just gave us a shy, unconfident girl with the ability to suck up other people's life force. The real Rouge is a confident, sassy, and cocky girl who happens to have the same powers as her movie counterpart. I wouldn't have minded as much that they didn't have her flying around with the superpowers and all, if they hadn't butchered Rouge's character too. What is it with Marvel and their female leads? They did the same thing with Mary Jane in Spider-man.

[rogue_devlin]

I think I finally got used to see the same commments again and again for months months and months and not giving a damn about it...
I just don't understand how an a character be useless if half a plot of the first movie had to do with her...

[Yellow Ranger]

i don't like rogue's character in the movie because i don't like weak women. i do like rogue's character in the movie because there is plenty of room for development. at least this way, we can see her grow into her powers. we were given everything wolverine has to offer in the first x movie, all of his personality and all of his powers. there's nothing new we're going to see from him. but rogue has so much potential. we've seen her go from scared mutant run-away to flying the x-jet. that's a big jump in the confidence department. she's comfortable in her skin now, she's ready to use her powers (on magneto and pyro), she's not as meek in x2 as she was in the first movie. she is growing. give her time to develop.

[Iceman]

i don't like rogue's character in the movie because i don't like weak women. i do like rogue's character in the movie because there is plenty of room for development. at least this way, we can see her grow into her powers. we were given everything wolverine has to offer in the first x movie, all of his personality and all of his powers. there's nothing new we're going to see from him. but rogue has so much potential. we've seen her go from scared mutant run-away to flying the x-jet. that's a big jump in the confidence department. she's comfortable in her skin now, she's ready to use her powers (on magneto and pyro), she's not as meek in x2 as she was in the first movie. she is growing. give her time to develop.

She's running out of time to grow - we're up to X3 & still there are few signs of development

[TheRagin'Cajun]

hey i alwalys thought that rogue played more of a jubilee role in the first half of x1 and kept thinking of her that way for most of the movie. shes wolverine's sidekick shes way younger than rogue should be and she isnt technically an x-men yet... i thought that it was like jubilee more so than kitty pryde but that might just be me.

[CodeOfGambit24]

hey i alwalys thought that rogue played more of a jubilee role in the first half of x1 and kept thinking of her that way for most of the movie. shes wolverine's sidekick shes way younger than rogue should be and she isnt technically an x-men yet... i thought that it was like jubilee more so than kitty pryde but that might just be me.

i would agree with that. However, I am glad they did that though. Jubilee's powers make her a more useless xman than rogue. Add to the fact that Roque can use anyones power as she absorbs them makes for a more interesting beginnings of a character. I think the purpose of Rogue is to bring us along to see the inner workings of a young mutants life and the choices they must make. Unfortunately, with the character set she is in right now, she is a weak version of who we all know she can be.

In the next movie you see Iceman and Shadowcat, and I wonder how that will develop. Shadowcat and Colussus ultimately are together. I wonder if they will key in on that.

[conan69]

"She's running out of time to grow - we're up to X3 & still there are few signs of development"

X2 takes place only a few months after the first film and X3 a few months later.

How much do you expect the character to grow in 6 or so months time????

[neemer5]

While I am still conflicted with Rogue's character for the film, I thought Anna Paquin is amazing for the part given. If the entire film was casted like the comics verbatim, with nothing but curvaceous supermodels, the film would lose any legitimacy it had.
Rogue doesn't neccessarily need to be a fancy character, but her character in X1 was more to set the tone for how the conflicting mutant/human relationships affects people in a vulnerable time in their lives.
Besides, she was crucial to the plot.

And speaking of changing character personalities, Storm was suppossed to be this confident, statuesque, Type-A female. Instead, we got cute Halle Berry with nearly no confidence and a disappearing accent. She was pointless to both plots. In fact, the only female that's remotely close to the film is Jean.
I guess my point is, there are bigger things to b*tch about authenticity-wise.

[Iceman]

"She's running out of time to grow - we're up to X3 & still there are few signs of development"

X2 takes place only a few months after the first film and X3 a few months later.

How much do you expect the character to grow in 6 or so months time????

Not a lot - but there's hardly any point her being in the film at someone else's expense if she's no fun, got no powers (or at least never uses them) and will just do the same thing she's done in the other X-films (ie nothing)

I like Rogue & I don't mind Anna Paquin but Anna Paqion as Rogue with nothing to do is pointless.

[Phoenix342]

Really, there is no Rouge in the movies. They just gave us a shy, unconfident girl with the ability to suck up other people's life force. The real Rouge is a confident, sassy, and cocky girl who happens to have the same powers as her movie counterpart.

Actually i have to disagree with you...One, in the first movie she sucked the life out of her boyfriend, discovered that she may never touch someone again, got stabbed in the chest by wolverine, had her heart broken by bobby/mystique, and on top of all that almost died again after being kidnapped by magneto and being forced absorb his powers to power up some machine!!! I think you would be shaken too!!!!! and i dont imaging the rogue in the comics when she first discovered her powers to be ms. confident

And in the second movie she was alot more confident with who she was!, She absorbed pyro's powers to save the cops show that she dosnt fear her powers as much, she said she wanted a costume showing she wanted to be an x-man, she was about to brawl with magneto and mystique before bobby stopped her and she flew the x-jet without any idea of what she was doing!! I would say that is character development!!!!

I think the rogue story line is better without ms marvels powers, it adds depth and character to her not just some teenage girl smashing through walls

[Ratcrawler]

Here here!

[TNC9852002]

I concur..

-TNC

[rogue_devlin]

:shrugs:

[ljr]

The rogue complainers should wait until after they have seen x3-if she doesn't get to do anything(which I highly doubt-she's bound to kick some ass),then they can say she is a useless character.She has been a developing character through x1 and x2,she needed time to become confident in herself and her powers,she's had that time so she is going to be so much more capable as a x-man in x3.

[rogue_devlin]

The rogue complainers should wait until after they have seen x3-if she doesn't get to do anything(which I highly doubt-she's bound to kick some ass),then they can say she is a useless character.She has been a developing character through x1 and x2,she needed time to become confident in herself and her powers,she's had that time so she is going to be so much more capable as a x-man in x3.

You know there are still some users here, who would still find things to complain about. They'd still complain about how long it took for her to develop, or that she should have done this or that instead of something else. They just don't like the Rogue that has been developed through the previous movies, so I don't think they'll finally like her here...

[Jon Hex]

Let's hope Rogue gets more action. But that might be a little too late.

[WarBlade]

All the whiners should just go and read Uncanny X-Men #218. :p

[Dark Beast]

Or make their own movie... really!
Just cut the sequences with Rogue in X1 & X2 apart and make some extra scenes with your mobile or handy-cam. Simpel zat! (Easy enough)

Little tip: Rogue flying out of the plane in X2 is a good one when you want a flying Rogue. And make a topic about it so you can let us enjoy your masterwork! :up: :up:

*edit*
And no.... it isn't that really expensive.. and anyone can do it. Just upgrade your Quicktime, get a microphone and a (girl)friend who sounds like Rogue. And before you know it: tataaaa! A Rogue masterpiece fan-movie!

[rogue_devlin]

Funny thing is, that if you completely cut off Rogue from the first movie... well the movie wouldn't have any sense at all.

[xmenfilesfan05]

I'd just like to put in my two cents about the statement that the movie Rogue is a COMPLETELY different character than the comic Rogue, that some of you have claimed is true. It can all be explained with one line of dialogue from the first X-Men movie. Let me set up the scene for you, shall I?

Marie (the Rogue character with a name given to her..oh no!) is in her bedroom with a BOY (eek!). She is explaining to him as she points at a map of North America.

"Niagra Falls...up the Canadian Rockies, and then it's only a few hundred miles to Anchorage (shakes bootie...bump-bump-bump)."

Then her little boy-toy says "Won't it be kinda cold?"

And then Rogue smiles and gets on the BED WITH HIM! "Well that's the point stupid, otherwise it wouldn't be an adventure!"

Those lines help me envision Rogue before her mutation became active. A sassy, flirty young woman who dares to do a few things that are bold. Then she gets hit with a burden that doesn't allow her to touch people EVER! Now if that happened to me I certainly wouldn't mourn that loss or feel withdrawn...oh wait a minute...YES, YES I WOULD! Of course this is all my own opinion, but in my mind when viewing the movies, Rogue is certainly more on target to her comic counterpart than many people are giving her credit. But that's just my opinion.

[rogue_devlin]

I'd just like to put in my two cents about the statement that the movie Rogue is a COMPLETELY different character than the comic Rogue, that some of you have claimed is true. It can all be explained with one line of dialogue from the first X-Men movie. Let me set up the scene for you, shall I?

Marie (the Rogue character with a name given to her..oh no!) is in her bedroom with a BOY (eek!). She is explaining to him as she points at a map of North America.

"Niagra Falls...up the Canadian Rockies, and then it's only a few hundred miles to Anchorage (shakes bootie...bump-bump-bump)."

Then her little boy-toy says "Won't it be kinda cold?"

And then Rogue smiles and gets on the BED WITH HIM! "Well that's the point stupid, otherwise it wouldn't be an adventure!"

Those lines help me envision Rogue before her mutation became active. A sassy, flirty young woman who dares to do a few things that are bold. Then she gets hit with a burden that doesn't allow her to touch people EVER! Now if that happened to me I certainly wouldn't mourn that loss or feel withdrawn...oh wait a minute...YES, YES I WOULD! Of course this is all my own opinion, but in my mind when viewing the movies, Rogue is certainly more on target to her comic counterpart than many people are giving her credit. But that's just my opinion.

You know something, I completely agree with you. I've realized I had never stopped and analyzed those few seconds we're given of Rogue before discovering her mutation and they are as you explain, very revealing.
Very good point xmenfilesfan05 :up:

[ljr]

I always took those few minutes into account-which is why i've always seen the movie rogue,exactly like rogue should be a evolving character.

[HughJackFan420]

doesn't rogue fall in love with magneto?

and doesn't she get her flying and super strength powers from touching Ms. Marvel?

[Mandi-chan]

doesn't rogue fall in love with magneto?

and doesn't she get her flying and super strength powers from touching Ms. Marvel?

I thought I heard something like that happened in the comics...although it'd be really gross (and make no sense) if that happened in the movie-verse.

As for her additional powers...do you think she'll somehow get them in X3 or X4?

[rogue_devlin]

I don't tthink she'll get any addiotional powers. They'd probably just make her use the temporary absorption of other's powers the best way she can, but not get them definitely.

[ljr]

That's fine by me.

[ZeroCorpse]

Perhaps they'll boost her up by having her absorb Cain Marko's powers permanently in X3?

Sure, no flight, but the strength would be cool.

[PWN3R]

Funny thing is, that if you completely cut off Rogue from the first movie... well the movie wouldn't have any sense at all.


Exactly....why all the haters?

[ljr]

Because ppl can't seem to get past her not having miss marvel powers.But she doesn't currently have them anyway,plus she doesn't have them in ultimate or evolution.And have ppl seen the pics of her in x3 ,she gets action and she looks angry-good signs.

[rogue_devlin]

Exactly....why all the haters?

Because you'll never get to please everybody.
Rogue is so much more that flying and super-strength :o:(

[ljr]

Thank you my point exactly,plus she doesn't even have those powers anymore.

[Angamb]

I'm sure Rogue will be more interesting in X3, with the cure storyline and the action sequences, like the danger room and the final battle, where I think Rogue will have some good moments, maybe with Phoenix, Magneto and Juggernaut.

[spiderwyze]

One thing I have never agreed with and will never agree with is the typical X-Men fan mentality that a character's worth is measured by how much damage that character's powers can cause. One of the prominent themes of the X-Men franchise is what a person does with his or her power(s). The comics, cartoons, and movies have pointed out time and again the folly of assuming that everything about a person can be summed up by a specific attribute, yet on message boards I see post after post of X-Men fans making the same assumption.

Does Rogue need to absorb Carol Danvers' powers in order to be a useful character? I doubt it, because not only does it detract from her primary power, but it would also mean that Rogue's value as a character is her ability to fly and hit things. I'd argue that she should have an identity over and above what she can do with her powers. Granted, her powers definitely shape the way she thinks and the way she lives her life, but shouldn't dominate everything about the character; if her powers were removed somehow, it shouldn't lead to Rogue losing her entire personality.

Regarding the personality, I admit that it took me quite some time to get used to Rogue as she was portrayed in the first movie. I'd grown up with the tougher, more free-spirited Rogue seen in the comics and movies, so I had a hard time getting used to someone who was a lot quieter and who acted like a typical teen runaway. It wasn't until Rogue's last scene in the movie, where she dressed a lot sexier and seemed to come out of her shell a bit, that I understood what they were doing with the character: they were showing Point A and a few other subsequent letters in Rogue's journey instead of starting with Point Q as the '90s cartoon did. When Rogue arrived at Xavier's doorstep in the comics, she'd had a difficult time with her powers and didn't have much in the way of self-confidence. In X2, her character growth continued, and she developed some more with a character arc that had less to do with ho many butts she could kick and more to do with how she handles dating like a normal teenager when getting close to her boyfriend is problematic. I'm not sure what direction X3 will take her, but I would definitely feel cheated if the only character development she gets involves what powers she gets. I will admit, though, that one of the things that attracted me to Rogue in the comics and in the cartoon was that she was a complete tomboy in terms of her behavior. She had a temper and she didn't mind getting her hands dirty. Movieverse Rogue doesn't have that quality, but I'm not about to declare her useless because of it.

I'm not sure I agree with the idea that Rogue immediately became a light-hearted sexpot immediately upon being drawn by Jim Lee. While I don't have a lot of comics from that era, I have quite a few from subsequent eras and I'm actually hard-pressed to find an issue where she stays in a good mood for the duration of the story. Sure, there are a lot of light-hearted moments where Rogue jokes with her teammates, but that looks to me like the result of living under the same roof with these people and considering them her family. I think she'd have a hard time living with the X-Men and remain the same character she was when she left the Brotherhood; each team would bring out a different side of her personality. And I can't help but liken her relationship with the X-Men to being at a burn camp in a way: she's around people like her who have a similar affliction and who accept her and allow her to be more okay with who and what she is than she was before. Pretty soon, being around her normalizes her experience to point that she isn't as cursed by her mutation and she can relax. The '90s cartoon version was the most upbeat version of Rogue I've seen (and even then she had a lot of sad/dark moments throughout the series), but it would have been out of place in the X-Men movie context unless they established her as being an X-Woman for years.

Would I like to see her adopt Ms. Marvel's powers in a sequel? I guess, but I could live without it. Years ago I'd have had a different answer, but these days I realize that her basic absorption power presents possibilities that Ms. Marvel's powers don't. Does it make her as much of a hardline fighter? No, but that means she has to work harder in a battle and approach tactics in a different way. It shouldn't be too much of a problem if the X-Men act like a team and watch one another's backs.

Actually, it would be interesting if she ended up permanently manifesting some other power besides Danvers'. After X1 I thought it might be interesting if she'd retained at least a tiny bit of Magneto's power or Wolverine's healing factor. But I don't see it as completely necessary to the character. I ultimately think it's erroneous to think that a character would only be interesting or useful if only she were on a higher power level. That's not very effective in exploring the character herself, and it would miss the point by a fairly wide margin.

[f4faith]

Funny thing is, that if you completely cut off Rogue from the first movie... well the movie wouldn't have any sense at all.

Well that's because Wolverine has to have someone to save in the first movie to make him look good. Not that I agree with those that think movie Rogue is useless. I think she has potential but I don't think the first movie did anything to impress that fact upon anyone. If anything it's the movie of the two that did the most damage as she does little herself in the movie but be the mirror to show off how great Wolverine is but with hope maybe by X3 she will be a character unto herself - at least a bit.

[AfterTheStorm24]

You know, let's just wait until May and THEN you can start complaining. Yeah? Okay =)

Okay Okay. Fine. So I don't think she was role for the role either. BUt whatever. Whatever happens, happens. Don't like her? Focus on another character.

[Goofball]

First off I'd just like to say this is an awesome message board, and I love coming here every chance I get to see what's going on.

Anyways, I grew up watching the 90's cartoon, I've never even read a comicbook before (although I'm startin to think I'm missing out a lot). So the only versions of Rogue I've ever really seen are the 90's cartoon version (which is a very confident outgoing person), and the movie version. When I grew up watching the cartoon (around 10 to 13yrs old), I liked her character a lot, because she had superstrength and she could fly; I didn't even realize she had the power to absorb people's energy until I grew up. Her power to fly and her super strength overshadowed her power to absorb, which is her actual power. So I would definitely say I like the movie rogue better. She seems to have far more personality with just her absorbing power. And on the plus side (for me anyways), I think Anna Paquin is hot.

Just my two cents.

[realestmutant45]

Rogue needs Gambit! He'll make her sassy and aware of her sexy side. Plus it'll make Rogue more confident thus making her more like comic Rogue. Comic Rogue is so cool.


I agree.Bobby's too goodie to shoe for her,gambit would change her around.Welcome^^^

[britrogue]

I don't think Rogue is a useless character at all. She's definately been portrayed as the victim, and every story needs one of those!
I would like to see her come out of her shell now though.

[ljr]

I agre,rogue was the charcter that made you feel for the mutants plight.But she needs to prove she is more than just a object of pity.Which she did do briefly in previous x-movies,but x3 is her time to shine.

[NocturnalMadman]

Rogue is actually my favouriote character in the movie verse so far...I'm so sick of the people wanting super strength and flight, when she didn't even originally have those abilites when she was a teen in the comics.

I love Anna as Rogue, she sells her part to me, her emotion is spot on.

My only complaint is the handling of her powers so far...they weren't even properly explained and re-introduced in X2, just constantly referenced but not shown why until way into the film where she kissed Bobby. They also never said about being able to absorb others powers so the Pyro scene would have confused movie goers who didnt see the film.

And that was it for powers in X2... but judging by the looks of Roges story in X3 there doesnt seem to be much hope of her using her powers more...

[ljr]

I agree with you,except about x3,I have a feeling she'll use her powers in a cool way.

[ljr]

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[RaZaTrOn]

totally agree NocturnalMadman

[rjb182]

Hmm.

You know, it's interesting... when I saw the first movie, I probably hadn't read an X-Men comic in ten years. I knew the basic characters, but I wasn't at all hung up on details.

And I *loved* movie-Rogue. Her whole plotline with Logan was THE best part of the movie for me-- the part that took me beyond "Yeah, that was decent" and into "Wow, I'd better read the comics again to see what I missed!"

I was actually fairly annoyed when I found out those two characters seemed to barely know each other in the comics. "Gambit"-- who's that?!

Now, of course, I understand that they took a lot of liberties with the movie versions, especially with Rogue. And I'm not sure whether all of those changes were good ones. But that's looking back.

So I can see both sides...

Movie-Rogue was written as a cross between Jubilee and Kitty Pryde in some ways, and I liked that because... well, because I liked Kitty Pryde (and now that I know her, Jubilee) better than Rogue. And it was more realistic than the Rogue from the cartoons and recent comics, I think, because as has been said in this discussion: Rogue SHOULD be dark. Her powers SHOULD make her nervous and wary, not flirty and sassy. And for me, as a newcomer to the first movie, it totally worked. If it hadn't, I almost definitely wouldn't be here today.

On the other hand...

Rogue didn't have much to do in X2. As much as I like Anna Paquin as an actress (and she's PLENTY attractive), I can see where she's not at all the type that most fans would have envisioned for comic/cartoon Rogue. AND... now that I know comic-Rogue a little better, I like her too and would have liked to see someone a little more like her on the screen.

I don't think she needs her Miss Marvel (or Sunfire, now, I guess) powers, because how would you explain that in a movie? "Oh, by the way, I can fly and I have super-strength because I accidentally absorbed a random Supergirl character you've never heard of and she's not even in this movie but take my word for it?" But a little more of the sass and some offensive capability would be nice.

So... in the end, this is what I hope for from X3 (note that these are my wishes, and NOT spoilers):

1) Keep movie-Rogue pretty much as she is, but give her more to do and let her keep growing up.

2) Recognize that she's a different person from the comic-book version, and THAT'S OKAY, because it's just an interpretation.

3. At some point, all the same, she needs to kick a villain's butt and call him "sugah." It's like Wolverine finally saying "Hey, bub!" to Sabretooth in X-Men... it just has to happen.

If we could get all that, plus a scene or two of the friendship with Logan that I enjoyed so much in the first film, I'd go home happy.

[AeonFlux]

Ok can anyone answer this (so far no one has been able to!) HOW IN THE HELL did Anna packin get casted for the role of Rogue let alone even thought of when she is one of the worst choices they could have picked!?!?!?! She has never said in her interviews nor has anyone else! What is the big secret? What did she sleep with the casting director or something cause that's the only way I could see how she got the role. She is NOTHING like Rogue! And I agree 100% with everyone who doesn't like her! And for those who think those of us who dislike Anna only like Rogue for her super strength and flight, your wrong! The main thing I love about Rogue is that she cannot touch another living thing without hurting it and her whole personality! If Rogue never had super strength and flight she still would be my fav X-Woman! Anna just stinks as her! Yeah Rogue is uneasy and stuff about her real powers but she was NEVER a damse in distress and a whiny little whimp that couldn't take care of herself! I know the character Rogue very much I've read most of the comics with her(from the very beginning of her to the mid 90s comics). She was feisty, fiery, and chick with attitude! Anna portrays her as a person who has no mind of her own and needs others in order to know when she can breathe! And don't say it's not Anna's fault Rogue sucks. Cause yes it is! It may not be her fault all the way but it is definitly halfway! Look at Halle and Hugh they fought with the director to get their characters more like they are supposed to be. What Anna has no brain? She can't see the way her movie version Rogue is nothing like the real Rogue? Looks to me like Anna wasn't acting at all in the movie because in real life she can't stand up for things and in the movie she can't either. And I can't believe she had the guts to say this. In an interview she said Rogue sucks because she doesn't blow things up(meaning her powers don't allow her to, and she was speaking of comic book Rogue!)! Well yeah that's Rogue! If you don't like her then why the hell are you even playing her!?

[JackBauer]

Ok can anyone answer this (so far no one has been able to!) HOW IN THE HELL did Anna packin get casted for the role of Rogue let alone even thought of when she is one of the worst choices they could have picked!?!?!?! She has never said in her interviews nor has anyone else!

Bryan Singer thought that a good, Academy Awarded actress could handle it.

What is the big secret? What did she sleep with the casting director or something cause that's the only way I could see how she got the role.

ugh, that's so stupid it doesn't even deserve a proper response... :rolleyes:

She is NOTHING like Rogue! And I agree 100% with everyone who doesn't like her! And for those who think those of us who dislike Anna only like Rogue for her super strength and flight, your wrong! The main thing I love about Rogue is that she cannot touch another living thing without hurting it and her whole personality! If Rogue never had super strength and flight she still would be my fav X-Woman!

funny, because that part was pretty well portrayed in the films. it was actually the best part about movie Rogue.

Anna just stinks as her! Yeah Rogue is uneasy and stuff about her real powers but she was NEVER a damse in distress and a whiny little whimp that couldn't take care of herself!

She was feisty, fiery, and chick with attitude! Anna portrays her as a person who has no mind of her own and needs others in order to know when she can breathe!

movie Rogue's more unsure of herself because she doesn't have super strenght, she doesn't have flight. her powers, specially in the first film, are just one big curse, with no flip side to it.

put yourself in her shoes: being a fifteen year old girl can be complicated enough. add the fact that not only did she find out she cannot directly touch another human being without causing serious harm, she found out by putting her boyfriend in a coma. now, a while after that, she is completely alone in the world, away from her family and friends, being relentlessly chased left and right by people who can do a whole mess of damage with little effort, who want to exploit her and her powers for less than honorable purposes.

I kind of doubt you'd be too feisty and fiery...

And don't say it's not Anna's fault Rogue sucks. Cause yes it is! It may not be her fault all the way but it is definitly halfway! Look at Halle and Hugh they fought with the director to get their characters more like they are supposed to be. What Anna has no brain? She can't see the way her movie version Rogue is nothing like the real Rogue? Looks to me like Anna wasn't acting at all in the movie because in real life she can't stand up for things and in the movie she can't either. And I can't believe she had the guts to say this.

first of all, Halle was thinking first of getting more screentime than anything else. if she's so concerned about the movie following the source material, why the f**k would she do that piece of s#!t "Catwoman" movie? so there goes that.

second, it's NOT Anna's fault Rogue's different. it shouldn't matter to her if the character's close enough to the source material, it should matter to the writers. to Anna, what matters is if the script and her character are interesting to her. like it or not, the character was still interesting, and made a lot more sense than if she was acting all sassy when she had no reason to.

bottom line is you're just pissed they changed the source material and you're taking it out on Anna Paquin. juvenile doesn't begin to describe it...

In an interview she said Rogue sucks because she doesn't blow things up(meaning her powers don't allow her to, and she was speaking of comic book Rogue!)! Well yeah that's Rogue! If you don't like her then why the hell are you even playing her!?

point that interview out, link it, prove it.

even if she did say that, she took the job because she found movie Rogue interesting. as you said it yourself, more than enough, they're different.

everyone's got their own opinion. just because her opinion doesn't match yours, doesn't make her an idiot. it makes you one for not accepting a difference of opinion.

[HughJackFan420]

i think this thread is USELESS

[JackBauer]

true. then again, most are.

[Holy spirit]

X3 better be a long movie otherwise we will never know. I have a feeling this will top both the other films. Rogue like storm needs action, why can't she turn metal or replicate a power, maybe take some form everyone and be super some how. We needed a model body for a rogue charater likr the comics and a foxy one. But at least we have oscar class in the XMEN movies.

[MrSelfDestruct]

I always hated Rogue. It's nothing personal. I think the X Men movies would have been better if Logan had actually killed her in X1.

[Enlight]

I always hated Rogue. It's nothing personal. I think the X Men movies would have been better if Logan had actually killed her in X1.
So Cold. So cold.

[thegameq]

A movie isnt a comic book.

Do you mean that statement as a declaration that a movie shouldn't be a comic book, or just that in this case it should for the sake of non fans?

Frankly, it's pretty obvious that Rogues's character was initially intended to be the viewpoint from which the audience would see the movie, i.e., teenager having to cope with newfound strange abilities in a strange new world, blah, blah, etc., etc., teenage angst, etc., etc. Ok, fine. I can let that one go because it makes sense and works under the supposition that the audience or non fans (that most seem to assume are brain dead and unsophisticated) need a film such as X-men spoonfed to them in an manner they can comprehend--it wasn't totally necessary, but ok.

Now that the intoductions are over the character should definitely be given more breadth. I could have said depth, but what's the point. This is the last film. Too little to late.

[thegameq]

A direct translation isnt necessary and often wont work.

Film is not a comic book.

These people just dont seem to understand that.


Why? If Raimi could do it with SM why can't it be done with the X-films?
As, I've said before, the only reasons most people offer up for not doing the X-films as a CB movie are nothing more than excuses. The only somewhat viable excuse is business related; to make an X-film the way the fans would have wanted would have no doubt made it one of the most expensive films in history. It would also have the potential to be an absolutely stunning scifi-fantasy CB film.

You know, I have to say, I find it very dissappointing that so many fans of the comics so easily and readily accept what's been done to such beloved characters. I'm almost equally stunned at the lack of vision on these boards (a fan based board no-less!!). It seems the best they can do when envisioning an X-men movie is either conservative (current X-films) or WOT (Power Rangers).

Do you not see the comic as the writers intended?

Wow.......really stunned.....but moreso dissapointed.

[gregtestagent]

hey all, 1st post here. didn't really see much on Rogue so sorry if it's been said before...

what is up w/ this character? this will be the 3rd movie she's been in and guess what? no flying, no super strength and let's be honest, not the looker or body type we're used to in the comics. all she's good for is overacting and NOT using her powers.

she's worse than any other character interpretation in this xmen series by far.
For now, she's a supporting character. The same goes for all the teen characters in the films. Rogue's powers will be hard to make plausible if and when they do grant them to her. The original reason for Rogue's powers won't hold with the movie[s] storyline[s]. The X-Men have always been character driven, and the tradition is "More characters, more entertainment." So, are you proposing to eliminate primary characters from the films and supplant them with obscure/less persuasive characters? why not just keep the primary characters and "add" more? it's hell on production and screen-time, but I'm sure fans like you and I will appreciate the extra characters.

[JackBauer]

Why? If Raimi could do it with SM why can't it be done with the X-films?

uh... ever heard of Gwen Stacy? ever seen GG wearing a Power Rangers reject suit in the comics? no. the SM movies didn't do that great...

As, I've said before, the only reasons most people offer up for not doing the X-films as a CB movie are nothing more than excuses. The only somewhat viable excuse is business related; to make an X-film the way the fans would have wanted would have no doubt made it one of the most expensive films in history. It would also have the potential to be an absolutely stunning scifi-fantasy CB film.

as I've said before, it makes a whole lot of sense for Rogue to be insecure at first, and slowly grow into a role closer to that of the comics. it would've sucked ass in X1 if Rogue was "sassy, sexy and secure".

let's wait for X3 to see where her journey leads...

You know, I have to say, I find it very dissappointing that so many fans of the comics so easily and readily accept what's been done to such beloved characters. I'm almost equally stunned at the lack of vision on these boards (a fan based board no-less!!).

gee, why don't you enlighten us then? :rolleyes:

[The Dark Defender]

Rogue is plenty terrible in the movies.

Paquin is miscast, throughout 2 entire films the character hasn't contributed a damned thing to the team other than generic stuff like clumbsily landing the X-Jet which anyone could've done, her puppy love story with Iceman does nothing more than eat up screen time...

Quite a few characters were butchered in these movies, Rogue would be the worst if not for how horrid Iceman is.

[mutant_eye]

rogue is certianly different to the character I grew up liking, in the fact is she is still a child and not yet taken miss marvels powers.

However I think this is working well as it tells the tale of Rogue coming to terms with her own mutant powers rather than just using someone elses.
Its a growing up tale which I think fits the movies well.

[JackBauer]

Rogue is plenty terrible in the movies.

Paquin is miscast, throughout 2 entire films the character hasn't contributed a damned thing to the team other than generic stuff like clumbsily landing the X-Jet which anyone could've done,

good thing she wasn't actually part of the team in the first two movies...

her puppy love story with Iceman does nothing more than eat up screen time...

funny that people say they like Rogue because of the conflict her powers cause, and the "puppy love story" was used to portray just that...

[invincible mann]

lets wait till X3 to see how useless rogue is

[javon]

Why is this thread even appropriated. Just because she doesn't have super strength or flight or the fit body makes her useless, boy ive certaintly been missng a lot.

[TwilightPro101]

Rogue just needs a chance to do something besides play a victim.