Reasons why i think Topher Grace is not Venom (clues say everything and its long)

[Superman \S/]

Hi everyone all i have to is that i have no problem with Grace playing Venom. I think it will be cool for someone like him to play such an important role. But i've been doing research on Venom and Grace he lacks
everything the villain has. I went through tons of information and as much as i say it all of it leads to one villain Chameleon. Yes i think Topher will be Chameleon. Why? Ok well first i'll start with he villain gallery. Has anyone taken the time and read the villains? I did and from height to features they are very key. Grace is 5'11 so what i did was see which villains match his height. The ones that came across were Electro, Hobgoblin (Kingsley), Mysterio, and Vulture. Out of all of them they don't fit Topher.
Even the others via Venom are 6'3 and Grace isn't even close to that.
And as for his hair we all know Grace is blond. All the villains either have red, brown, reddish-brown, gray, black, reddish-blond and bald for hair color. None of them are blond. Even Venom in the movie versions characters are all different. In the villain gallery they state that Brock has reddish-blond hair not pure blond! Graces hair is blond and nothing else. Check the villain gallery and you'll all see for yourselves. I thought and the only villain who could have blond hair was the Chameleon that being is because of how he can change to different people. The blond hair could mean that's what his counter part will have. Interesting so far? There is more to it. Remember when we heard the rumor of Church being Chameleon well know he isn't cause he is Sandman. I think that rumor had a clue though. It said Kraven was supposed to be in it and if i remeber in this movie there will be alot to see. Kraven is Chameleons stepbrother and what it said was Kraven is hard on Chameleon pushing him to do things. Grace is young he's 26-27. That would be a good age for the villain because he is younger than Kraven. Venom is older than Spidey by 2-4 years. Not younger. And knowing Raimi i don't think he would make the mistake of casting someone as a villain whos younger and not true to the real character. And why would they have a villain whose already been played in a video game? Venom was is the new Spider-man video game and he was a playable character. Why have him again if it's already been done? Reputition is a facotr i don't think Raimi could be found of. (i think) Now i know the Dunst interview she said herslef he would be playing Venom. But what if they did that to lead us off? She said this in what August September? Why would she reveal the villains when filming didn't even start? If memory serves they always reveal the villans before principal photography and that started about a month ago. We should see the first pic of Grace and who he is playing by the end of this month. Well that's the estimated time I think. Has anyone actually looked at Topher? And a pic of Chameleon? He looks exactly like him when you imagine it.

http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3862/Events/3862/TopherGrac_Devan_6504522_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Grace,%20Topher

http://digilander.libero.it/giannilacorte/web-spider-man/imm-chameleon.jpg

See what i mean? If you imagine him with that mask and that look with his eyes he looks very much the part IMO. And moe important thing........
OT: Sandmans first appearance was in Amazing Spider-man #4 he's one of Spideys first villains. Venom appeared so many years later and that was in Amazing Spider-man #252. Knowing Raimi what he likes in Spider-man is doing a film that's classic. The last two movies were with 2 classic villians who appeared the same year in Spideys first comic debut. Those villians being Green Goblin and Doc Ock. Chameleon was the very first villian Spider-man fought when he turned superhero. His appearance was in Amazing Spider-man # 1. For that reason i think it leads for Raimi continuing his classic Spidey rouges on film. And if Grace is playing Chameleon then it serves very well. He has all the characteristics Chameleon has. And if this is Raimi and crews last Spider-man movie what better way to end it with Spideys very first villian.

And that's it. I hope you guys see my point and see that there could be more to Grace than we think. I really tried my best with this and i gathered every piece of info given. Now remember i'm not saying he will play Chameleon it's just a theory which i think makes sense. If theres more to it then let there be. Please tell me what you think about what i worte and all the clues that helped this!

So what are your thoughts? :spidey:

[Saph]

I think you're nuts.

[The Lumberjack]

This is all conjecture. If your main argument wasn't that brock's hair is reddish brown and Topher's is pure blonde (which it isn't, it's a dirty blonde), then maybe you should take a step back and look at how much time you just wasted.

[darkbear]

wow well that pic of topher his hair looks reddish blonde

[Threshold]

You've done absolutely nothing to convince me of your point...

[Superman \S/]

Ok sorry everyone i just had a different point of view is all.
I understand about what you think.

[DrChronic]

I too believe he is not venom, but i dont believe hes chameleon either, infact in the comic books the chameleon has black hair. only the animated series showed the chameleon with blonde hair.

In my oppion your looking at the hobgoblin, not my choice but considering the events of the last two movies well i would seem fitting that harry hires someone to top spiderman rather than him do it himself.

Venom doesnt pose good story telling, well they have to fit the characters around the evolution of spidermans story. Sandman is easy adaptable, lizard is easy adaptable, hobgoblin and even mysterio could be adapted.

But Venom is an epic story that would need more than one film to tell it. considering that this is the closing chapter to a trilogy i dont think this would happen.

Chameleon i would of said is a good character they could of had but neither topher or church had the appearance to pull it off. Instead i always said church looked like sandman and topher as a replacement spiderman man, but i figure that identity plays a big part in the movie, the phrase that struck me with this is when BRUCE CHAMBEL said he is going to be spiderman in the movie, this could well be, i mean maybe he dones the spider suit to commit a crime. and get spiderman into trouble.

So to cut it short i dont think the Chameleon will be the villian but i also believe Venom is a hoex.

Then again the blonde Hair maybe a hoex.

[echostation]

yes he has... he has written lots of wasted textual material using up his valuable time to hope that his long thesis on this costume designing villain crossdressing Topher Venom-Chameleon issue in hopes that everyone will be impressed and understand clearly and believe fully because of the amount of text he has written with such complex characteristically Salman Rushdie style and flair and wit. The length of his dissertation on specializing on crossdressing stipulating villains has stunned the community in all awestruck hupti glory. I even stand bowing land before hand in due forth respect for the text and verbosity with which he articulates his true claims and facts about Topher crossdressing as Chameleon and Venom at the same time.

[Superman \S/]

Thanks Chronic. :up:

And echostation the reason for this thread was not to impress anyone but to simply say that there could be more about Topher and that maybe just maybe he isn't Venom. I'm gonna stay with it.

[Juggernaut]

Well first of your argument about height and looks cn just be thrown out to water because it doesnt matter about there height or hair

Hell Hugh Jackman is like 6'2 and Wolverine in the comics is like 5'8 or some **** like that

Ben Affleck is a brunette and Daredevil was Blonde..

[Superman \S/]

Well first of your argument about height and looks cn just be thrown out to water because it doesnt matter about there height or hair

Hell Hugh Jackman is like 6'2 and Wolverine in the comics is like 5'8 or some **** like that

Ben Affleck is a brunette and Daredevil was Blonde..

Agreed but for his hair it's been confirmed it's for the movie.
Though he recently dyed it again.

[HighVoltage]

Interesting Thread.

[Superman \S/]

Interesting Thread.

Umm...Thanks :up:

[Venom'sDad]

With prep time, Aunt May can kill Batman!

ROTFLMAO...... nice sig....... best one yet. :up: :D :)

[Jason Martell]

Topher is not blond, his natural hair color is brown. And it's irrelevant because he could just dye his hair. And height is irrelevant as well. The camera man ususally has to film actors and actresses in a way so their height appears to be how the director wants it to appear.
I quit reading when I got to those arguments, because I wasn't going to read such a long post with faulty intelligence. Quit misleading the American People. There are no Chameleons of Deception in Iraq!

[Toren]

I actually had a response somewhere in there... but I lost it along the way. Now I feel like I'm missing something. No idea what though, lol.

Oh yes, I remember. You stated that Venom is not easily adaptable to the storyline. I can see how Chameleon goes along with what Raimi said... needed to size up how to further his storyline and the best villains to address it. Of course, Venom could fit into that as well.

The basic storyline is Peter adapting to his new life with Mary Jane. Chameleon could be good if he found out Spidey's identity in order to confuse him, but it would be much easier to explain how Venom knew everything about Spider-Man and Peter's life along with Venom stalking Peter and Mary. How bad would that screw with Peter and MJ's relationship when Peter knows he can't even save himself and now MJ's in danger thanks to Peter. That's why I think it'll be Venom over Chameleon.

Also, in one of the other threads, I really liked how one person saw this movie... That this is what could happen to him if he didn't control his anger, or something along those lines.

[Jason Martell]

You gusy know Venom can change his appeance to match that of any person of simillair size. that might be why they picked Topher for the part, but I hope not. I don't want Venom posing as Peter Parker interferring with his life in that way. It just seems like too much of a pussy kind of thing for the almighty Venom.

[Venom'sDad]

I actually had a response somewhere in there... but I lost it along the way. Now I feel like I'm missing something. No idea what though, lol.

Oh yes, I remember. You stated that Venom is not easily adaptable to the storyline. I can see how Chameleon goes along with what Raimi said... needed to size up how to further his storyline and the best villains to address it. Of course, Venom could fit into that as well.

The basic storyline is Peter adapting to his new life with Mary Jane. Chameleon could be good if he found out Spidey's identity in order to confuse him, but it would be much easier to explain how Venom knew everything about Spider-Man and Peter's life along with Venom stalking Peter and Mary. How bad would that screw with Peter and MJ's relationship when Peter knows he can't even save himself and now MJ's in danger thanks to Peter. That's why I think it'll be Venom over Chameleon.

Also, in one of the other threads, I really liked how one person saw this movie... That this is what could happen to him if he didn't control his anger, or something along those lines.


Good post Toren..... that why I said, I'm torn between the two Chameleon & Venom. Those statement can indeed apply to both.... but I wouldn't say it's easiler how Venom knows PP ID compared to the Chameleon, because the Chameleon(as I said in "Making the Case") can be a good hire by Harry, and Harry can inform Dimitri on all the details he need to put the plot into motion. Because of my post and your post, is why I believe you can eliminate Electro and HobGoblin as possible villains that Topher may play. It's got to be between Chameleon and Venom.......... and I'm back on the Chameleon bandwagon.... but not by much.

[Tron5000]

You gusy know Venom can change his appeance to match that of any person of simillair size. that might be why they picked Topher for the part, but I hope not. I don't want Venom posing as Peter Parker interferring with his life in that way. It just seems like too much of a pussy kind of thing for the almighty Venom.

If he could change his appearance to MATCH someone, why would they need Topher? Wouldn't Tobey just play the role?

[Toren]

Good post Toren..... that why I said, I'm torn between the two Chameleon & Venom. Those statement can indeed apply to both.... but I wouldn't say it's easiler how Venom knows PP ID compared to the Chameleon, because the Chameleon(as I said in "Making the Case") can be a good hire by Harry, and Harry can inform Dimitri on all the details he need to put the plot into motion. Because of my post and your post, is why I believe you can eliminate Electro and HobGoblin as possible villains that Topher may play. It's got to be between Chameleon and Venom.......... and I'm back on the Chameleon bandwagon.... but not by much.
Thanks on the compliment. :up:

I totally forgot you made that point about Harry telling him. I was mainly thinking of how hard it would be for Chameleon to just happen to "stumble" on Peter's identity. Harry informing him could very well work, but I'm starting to think that Harry would more likely just become a Goblin because he knows that if he gives up Peter then his friends will get hurt. Harry is more obsessed with getting Spider-Man, not hurting Mary Jane or Aunt May.

I'm still pushing for Venom. It would be a lot more visceral than Chameleon would be. It would make for better cinema than Chameleon... Chameleon would be more for a psychological thriller... kinda like how Pennywise in Stephen King's IT messed with all of the main character's minds by transforming into something familiar to them.

[Jason Martell]

well because Eddie brock does not look like Tobey, and Eddie would sometimes want to look like himself.

[Trooper]

Ok sorry everyone i just had a different point of view is all.
I understand about what you think.

hey thats ok, but i personally think he is venom, if you want to know why go read the venom saga in the ultimate comics or play the game, whichever.

[aharquail]

personally i think topher grace is venom wanna know why most ppl who read the comics know chameleon yes but do all tghe average ppl no.,...

most ppl know who venom is because hes a really come character liek xmen or fantastic four and thats why i say it would be venom......


but thats just what i think and everyone is entitled to there own opinion

if i were doin this movie id proly try and do the sinister six to see if it coudl adapt to biog screen then later on make a trilogy out of the maixmum carnage comic book in 6 parts cause that was one of my favorite comic books as a kid

[Killgore]

The mods really need to start doing background checks on newbies. At least make it a year before a newbie can start a thread.

[Toren]

The mods really need to start doing background checks on newbies. At least make it a year before a newbie can start a thread.
Wouldn't work very well. I only made a limited number of posts during Spider-Man 2 hype time and came back earlier this year after being on here a long time. :up: So going by that, I could make new threads even though I only had a handful of posts, heh.

Good times.

[user123456789]

I think you're nuts.

i think he's right

[Jason Martell]

The mods really need to start doing background checks on newbies. At least make it a year before a newbie can start a thread.

What would be the point? What difference does it make how long they have been here? It doesn't make their questions or opinions any less relevant. Why should somebody have to wait a year? That's rediculous. Censorship is a serious sign of weakness.

[aharquail]

killgore you seem really ignorant how old are you? most forums im apart of most ppl respect each other..... everyone has a right to there own opinion... my country offers free speech were allowed to say what we feel and thats how i felt about this issue... so please be more respectful.... im new to this bored and dont like being insulted

[David33]

I think you're nuts.

:up:

[Daisy]

I think you're right that he's not Venom - in THIS film - but I think he will be Eddie Brock.

I think we'll see him as Venom in the next.

[Arcturus]

I think you're right that he's not Venom - in THIS film - but I think he will be Eddie Brock.

I think we'll see him as Venom in the next.

I'm in agreement, probarbly the most senisble thing i've read all day.

[Norman Osborn]

I think you're right that he's not Venom - in THIS film - but I think he will be Eddie Brock.

I think we'll see him as Venom in the next.

I agree.....

you know it'd be a heck of a lot easier if you'd loosen up the 300 posts for an avatar rule so I could stop adding substance lacking agreements all over the board..:(

[Arcturus]

I agree.....

you know it'd be a heck of a lot easier if you'd loosen up the 300 posts for an avatar rule so I could stop adding substance lacking agreements all over the board..:(

I'll put it under consideration...

[Norman Osborn]

I'll put it under consideration...

I really think it should be.:spidey: ..in fact I'm going to say...Oh I don't know...maybe 235 posts is a far better number to shoot for?....I don't know why I picked that number....just seems fair I guess?....and I'm nothing if I'm not fair and unbiased!!

[Daisy]

I agree.....

you know it'd be a heck of a lot easier if you'd loosen up the 300 posts for an avatar rule so I could stop adding substance lacking agreements all over the board..:(

Sorry, out of my hands.

[Daisy]

I really think it should be.:spidey: ..in fact I'm going to say...Oh I don't know...maybe 235 posts is a far better number to shoot for?....I don't know why I picked that number....just seems fair I guess?....and I'm nothing if I'm not fair and unbiased!!

Oh, 235 seems a little low to me, but I do think all the "milestones" should be random.

You need 96 posts for a sig. 204 for a custom title... 288 for an avatar... 5011 for a large avatar.

[Norman Osborn]

Oh, 235 seems a little low to me, but I do think all the "milestones" should be random.

You need 96 posts for a sig. 204 for a custom title... 288 for an avatar... 5011 for a large avatar.

Ok how about 236?......5011 for a large Avatar?....damn we'll be having "Which Olsen Twin will be playing Aunt May in Spiderman 36" by the time I get one of those :(

[Daisy]

It's not like you'll get to the 5,000 you need now any sooner. :o

[Norman Osborn]

It's not like you'll get to the 5,000 you need now any sooner. :o

touche Daisy!!...although technically I'd get there 11 posts sooner but who's counting?....oh that's right...you people are !!! :(

[Superman \S/]

I have no problem with him being Venom or Brock.
I just think he's playing Chameleon. :spidey:

[DarthRekal]

personally i think venom is too involved a character..if anything i wish upon wishes daisy's right..but truth be told id rather him be chameleon... or hobgoblin idea sounds good...but what do i know

[Superman \S/]

personally i think venom is too involved a character..if anything i wish upon wishes daisy's right..but truth be told id rather him be chameleon... or hobgoblin idea sounds good...but what do i know

That's cool we all have different thoughts on him so whoever we think he is it's our opinion. All we have to do is wait for confirmation. I just think something is up and look at Topher a month ago he didn't have the blond hair and looked to have a little muscle on him. Chameleon had black hair and that's what Topher had a month ago.

I say Chameleon till proven wrong. :up:
Glad we agree Darth :spidey:

[Toren]

I don't know where I saw it, but Topher has stated that the blonde hair was for another movie he was filming. Posts on the board recently have said he has redish-blonde hair.

[Venom'sDad]

IMO, one reason why Topher won't be EB/V is simply because for Topher to play EB/V, he would have to be the Ultimate Universe(UU) version, who is a much younger person, that was a college student.... but it seems like, if one believe in continuity, that Sam Raimi is going the Classic(616) version giving the fact that Eddie name was drop in SM1, which means he is an older person, mid 30s, and is a writer/photographer... not a college student. Think about it....... sound like the Chameleon to me..... I still don't see Electro, but I am trying to "make a case" for him.... I just don't see it right now.

[LarryLegend]

Actually they called him Eddie not Eddie Brock so they could say it was two different people.

[Venom'sDad]

:rolleyes: That's kinda reaching... lets be for real... we know who Robby was talking about........

[Dcknight]

everyone think he will play a great villains, but i'm sure at 99,9% that Raimi try just to confuse us...like the first spiderman trailer, when we see spidey do spectacular thing in his real costume but in the film this is his first costume...or when Kirsten said that the lizard and Black Cat were in spiderman 2...so i think everyone have to take a respiration and wait till we really know who Topher will play...!

DCKnight

[Superman \S/]

IMO, one reason why Topher won't be EB/V is simply because for Topher to play EB/V, he would have to be the Ultimate Universe(UU) version, who is a much younger person, that was a college student.... but it seems like, if one believe in continuity, that Sam Raimi is going the Classic(616) version giving the fact that Eddie name was drop in SM1, which means he is an older person, mid 30s, and is a writer/photographer... not a college student. Think about it....... sound like the Chameleon to me..... I still don't see Electro, but I am trying to "make a case" for him.... I just don't see it right now.

I agree with you Grace doesn't match up to waht Brock has if he were to play him then Ultimate would be the route to go. :up: He matches IMO Electro, Mysterio, and Chameleon. And out of the three i say Chameleon! :spidey:

[Superman \S/]

everyone think he will play a great villains, but i'm sure at 99,9% that Raimi try just to confuse us...like the first spiderman trailer, when we see spidey do spectacular thing in his real costume but in the film this is his first costume...or when Kirsten said that the lizard and Black Cat were in spiderman 2...so i think everyone have to take a respiration and wait till we really know who Topher will play...!

DCKnight

Awesome point. Raimi has tricked us and i think the Dunst interview says it to. I think they are trying to get us hyped trying to get us confused......Grace is Chameleon and i wait to be proven wrong till confirmation! But that's my opinion. So like DC said we'll just have to wait and see.

[Johnny Israel]

I don't think personally I ever want to see Chamelon in a movie. Never a big fan of him from the comics or the animated series. I'm not sold on Topher as Eddie either, not because I don't think he has the ability to, but just because I don't think that's a direction Sam is ready to go with as of yet. I'd like Topher to be Ned Leeds, but I think another Goblin character may be viewed as over kill. I think the average audience can see Harry being GG2 because of his dad, I think they'll accept that. With a Hobgloblin, theyll just see...more goblins. Personally I like Mysterio. But wouldn't mind maybe a nice opening with Spidey doing battle with a Mysterio helmed by Bruce Campbell. That's just me. Anyone else also find it a little to convieant we got a pic of Church as Sandy so soon? I'm probably just paranoid but that struck something awkward with me. Oh well the wait continues.

[Superman \S/]

I don't think personally I ever want to see Chamelon in a movie. Never a big fan of him from the comics or the animated series. I'm not sold on Topher as Eddie either, not because I don't think he has the ability to, but just because I don't think that's a direction Sam is ready to go with as of yet. I'd like Topher to be Ned Leeds, but I think another Goblin character may be viewed as over kill. I think the average audience can see Harry being GG2 because of his dad, I think they'll accept that. With a Hobgloblin, theyll just see...more goblins. Personally I like Mysterio. But wouldn't mind maybe a nice opening with Spidey doing battle with a Mysterio helmed by Bruce Campbell. That's just me. Anyone else also find it a little to convieant we got a pic of Church as Sandy so soon? I'm probably just paranoid but that struck something awkward with me. Oh well the wait continues.

Agreed we all have different views i still think Chameleons cool and Grace IMO fits Chameleon. I'm just not buying him as Brock/Venom. Well said Raimi i believe isn't ready either. He sticks with the classic villains. Chameleon was Spideys. Like said before the first villain in what could be the last Spider-man movie for Raimi and crew makes perfect sense. Harry as GG2 i want but not in this movie maybe in later sequels. Mysterio is awesome and Grace could be him to i see it happening but Chameleon is my favorite pick. We see eye to eye man i thought the exact same thing! If i remember they always reveal villains when principal phtography starts so i thought that would be in Jan. when filming begins. But then i checked back it started on Nov. 5 so it makes sense but i'll always be bothered my the fact that it was to early. Maybe something it up but that's just me.

I think he can look forward to seeing who Grace is in a few weeks. :up: :spidey:

[Toren]

Awesome point. Raimi has tricked us and i think the Dunst interview says it to. I think they are trying to get us hyped trying to get us confused......Grace is Chameleon and i wait to be proven wrong till confirmation! But that's my opinion. So like DC said we'll just have to wait and see.
Okay we get it. You think Grace is Chameleon. You don't have to say it every frickin post. We got it.

And when Kirsten stated that in the interview, they were both being considered/in the script at the time and were later dropped.

[Superman \S/]

Okay we get it. You think Grace is Chameleon. You don't have to say it every frickin post. We got it.

And when Kirsten stated that in the interview, they were both being considered/in the script at the time and were later dropped.

Ok sorry bout that sorry i repeat it every post if it bothers.

What did you mean later dropped? I don't remember hearing that. :confused:

[JSZ]

I'm sticking with Ned Leeds. But whatever works.

[Johnny Israel]

Ned Leeds indeed, thats what I've been thinking

[Octoberist]

IF Topher ends up being Chamleon...then I'll cry out "FOUL". I'm sorry, I don't find the charcter interesting at all. Wow...he can morph into other people...hahah...Yeah........amazing......NO!

If Topher ends up being Electro, then I'll be cool with that.

If Topher ends up being Venom, then I'm hyped up :)

[Frenzy]

I agree totally. There's a danger that if Chameleon is used he'll mimic Spidey and have his abilities but Raimi won't explain how the hell he does it leaving us shouting "nooooooooooooo" at the screen all the way through the movie. He would probably move exactly the same then be found to be using 'suction cups' like in the toons and yet it won't pull off right on screen. We'd all just vomit and walk out right?

[Norman Osborn]

Agreed we all have different views i still think Chameleons cool and Grace IMO fits Chameleon. I'm just not buying him as Brock/Venom. Well said Raimi i believe isn't ready either. He sticks with the classic villains. Chameleon was Spideys. Like said before the first villain in what could be the last Spider-man movie for Raimi and crew makes perfect sense. Harry as GG2 i want but not in this movie maybe in later sequels. Mysterio is awesome and Grace could be him to i see it happening but Chameleon is my favorite pick. We see eye to eye man i thought the exact same thing! If i remember they always reveal villains when principal phtography starts so i thought that would be in Jan. when filming begins. But then i checked back it started on Nov. 5 so it makes sense but i'll always be bothered my the fact that it was to early. Maybe something it up but that's just me.

I think he can look forward to seeing who Grace is in a few weeks. :up: :spidey:

I am throughly in the "for the love of god no Venom in SM3" camp....but I also consider myself a realist. Here's some points to ponder

1/ Kirsten has annouinced Topher to be Venom
2/ Raimi, Arad and Sony have neither denied nor confirmed
3/ Absense of denial is perceived as confirmation (Check the myriad of sites stating Topher as Venom as fact)
4/ Sony, Raimi and Arad have to be aware of this.

Likely solutions in order of what is most reasonable in my opinion


1a/ Raimi, Arad and Sony have no intention of bait and switching arguably the most iconic Spidey supervillain left in Venom ...however, Kirsten was wrong and instead of Venom, we're getting Brock for the entire movie with Venom showing up at the very end.
( 46% Chance )

1b/ Raimi, Arad and Sony have no intention of bait and switching arguably the most iconic Spidey supervillain left in Venom and are merely saying nothing to keep up the suspense in the face of Kirsten blowing it again.
( 34% Chance )


2/ Raimi, Arad and Sony are actually playing a bait and switch with the beloved Venom character but are playing it towards what they believe will be an even greater spectacle....the emergence of the Sinister 6 in Spiderman 4....Topher will likely play Electro
( 18% Chance )


3/ Raimi, Arad and Sony are complete idiots and are bait and switching the beloved Venom character with a lessor know Spidey adversary with powers that really do not lend much to the spectacle that could be SM3....a morpher?...C'mon.!!....I think Venom and Spidey fans, on average, will be pissed if it's Electro instead of Venom....I think they'll assasinate someone if it's Chameleon.
( 2% Chance )

As always...just my opinion.....

[Toren]

I am throughly in the "for the love of god no Venom in SM3" camp....but I also consider myself a realist. Here's some points to ponder

1/ Kirsten has annouinced Topher to be Venom
2/ Raimi, Arad and Sony have neither denied nor confirmed
3/ Absense of denial is perceived as confirmation (Check the myriad of sites stating Topher as Venom as fact)
4/ Sony, Raimi and Arad have to be aware of this.

Likely solutions in order of what is most reasonable in my opinion


1a/ Raimi, Arad and Sony have no intention of bait and switching arguably the most iconic Spidey supervillain left in Venom ...however, Kirsten was wrong and instead of Venom, we're getting Brock for the entire movie with Venom showing up at the very end.
( 46% Chance )

1b/ Raimi, Arad and Sony have no intention of bait and switching arguably the most iconic Spidey supervillain left in Venom and are merely saying nothing to keep up the suspense in the face of Kirsten blowing it again.
( 34% Chance )


2/ Raimi, Arad and Sony are actually playing a bait and switch with the beloved Venom character but are playing it towards what they believe will be an even greater spectacle....the emergence of the Sinister 6 in Spiderman 4....Topher will likely play Electro
( 18% Chance )


3/ Raimi, Arad and Sony are complete idiots and are bait and switching the beloved Venom character with a lessor know Spidey adversary with powers that really do not lend much to the spectacle that could be SM3....a morpher?...C'mon.!!....I think Venom and Spidey fans, on average, will be pissed if it's Electro instead of Venom....I think they'll assasinate someone if it's Chameleon.
( 2% Chance )

As always...just my opinion.....
I'd say switch 1a and 1b... I think it's far more likely that they're saying nothing figuring that none of the fans will listen to Kirsten anymore after the whole lack-of-Lizard in SM2.

[TheSlag]

I am throughly in the "for the love of god no Venom in SM3" camp....but I also consider myself a realist. Here's some points to ponder

1/ Kirsten has annouinced Topher to be Venom
2/ Raimi, Arad and Sony have neither denied nor confirmed
3/ Absense of denial is perceived as confirmation (Check the myriad of sites stating Topher as Venom as fact)
4/ Sony, Raimi and Arad have to be aware of this.

Likely solutions in order of what is most reasonable in my opinion


1a/ Raimi, Arad and Sony have no intention of bait and switching arguably the most iconic Spidey supervillain left in Venom ...however, Kirsten was wrong and instead of Venom, we're getting Brock for the entire movie with Venom showing up at the very end.
( 46% Chance )

1b/ Raimi, Arad and Sony have no intention of bait and switching arguably the most iconic Spidey supervillain left in Venom and are merely saying nothing to keep up the suspense in the face of Kirsten blowing it again.
( 34% Chance )


2/ Raimi, Arad and Sony are actually playing a bait and switch with the beloved Venom character but are playing it towards what they believe will be an even greater spectacle....the emergence of the Sinister 6 in Spiderman 4....Topher will likely play Electro
( 18% Chance )


3/ Raimi, Arad and Sony are complete idiots and are bait and switching the beloved Venom character with a lessor know Spidey adversary with powers that really do not lend much to the spectacle that could be SM3....a morpher?...C'mon.!!....I think Venom and Spidey fans, on average, will be pissed if it's Electro instead of Venom....I think they'll assasinate someone if it's Chameleon.
( 2% Chance )

As always...just my opinion.....

LOL. Good post, and agree with the gist of the post, mainly just wanted to say I found the percentages LOL... 46%??? not 50 or 40%... but 46%? :D

Now that's a man who has given this perhaps... a little too much thought. ;)

AND... I DEFINITELY agree with the "gonna assasinate" someone if Chameleon shows up. :up:

[Norman Osborn]

LOL. Good post, and agree with the gist of the post, mainly just wanted to say I found the percentages LOL... 46%??? not 50 or 40%... but 46%? :D

Now that's a man who has given this perhaps... a little too much thought. ;)

AND... I DEFINITELY agree with the "gonna assasinate" someone if Chameleon shows up. :up:

Oh People can come up with statistics to prove anything Slag. 14% of people know that
:)

[Symbiotica]

I am throughly in the "for the love of god no Venom in SM3" camp....but I also consider myself a realist. Here's some points to ponder

1/ Kirsten has annouinced Topher to be Venom
2/ Raimi, Arad and Sony have neither denied nor confirmed
3/ Absense of denial is perceived as confirmation (Check the myriad of sites stating Topher as Venom as fact)
4/ Sony, Raimi and Arad have to be aware of this.

I do not know if you were here last time around, but we had many people using this exact same reasoning as "proof" Venom and Lizard both would be in 2. Whether or not absence of denial is perceived as confirmation HAS NO BEARING ON REALITY. If it did, we would have seen Lizard and Venom in 2.

As a for-instance, just speaking hypothetically: George W. Bush absolutely believed Iraq was stockpiling WMDs. He went to war over it, killing thousands of US soldiers so far and committing trillions of dollars to prove himself right. Yep, he thought WMDs were thick on the ground in Iraq.

Did his strong belief in fact cause WMDs to be found? Whether you love or hate Dubya, nope it didn't bring any WMDs to light. [this is just an analogy, not intended to break out into political argument.]

So, will websites proclaiming Gopher to be Brock be right? We have no evidence this is so as of yet.

Likely solutions in order of what is most reasonable in my opinion

1a/ Raimi, Arad and Sony have no intention of bait and switching arguably the most iconic Spidey supervillain left in Venom ...however, Kirsten was wrong and instead of Venom, we're getting Brock for the entire movie with Venom showing up at the very end. ( 46% Chance )

Raimi and co. do not like bait and switch? Hah. Then where is the Lizard...?

I'm not sure where you're getting your percentages from, but that aside I think it's a mistake to believe for a second that this bunch has our finer feelings in mind, or to think they can't possibly use this Venom thing to generate hype for the film while having no intention whatever of having him appear. They have few scruples in that regard, I'd be willing to bet. They certainly did nothing to scotch the Venom rumors last time out.

[Norman Osborn]

Raimi and co. do not like bait and switch? Hah. Then where is the Lizard...?

I'm not sure where you're getting your percentages from, but that aside I think it's a mistake to believe for a second that this bunch has our finer feelings in mind, or to think they can't possibly use this Venom thing to generate hype for the film while having no intention whatever of having him appear. They have few scruples in that regard, I'd be willing to bet. They certainly did nothing to scotch the Venom rumors last time out.

I pulled the %'s out of my a$$ essentially loosely based on my opinion we're twice as likely to see Topher playing Venom as opposed to Electro.....and significantly more likely that it'll be only Eddie in SM3 (only an opinion)...and not to piss off the Lizard fans around here, but I think Baiting and switching for Lizard may be a bit more acceptable (risk wise) than bait and switching in the case of what many perceive as a flagship villain like Venom!....My opinion...nothing else...

I remember the hype offline around both SM2 and now SM3...(no my memory doesn't make for a strong scientific sample)....I don't recall anyone "assuming" Lizard was in SM 2.....I can't convince anyone that Venom in 3 isn't a foregone conclusion......these guys are setting themselves up to piss an awful lot of people off if Venom doesn't show

Plus Connors actually did show up in SM2 hence my belief that Topher showing up as Brock and not Venom has some spidey movie precedent...

Once again...not what I want...what I think will happen

[TheRiddlerkid]

In my opion, Chamelion has always been a lame rip off of Mysterio, even if they had appeared at different times, they are really only a issue apart, but whatever.

I don't really think hair and Height matter to much, but age, I can get that, even in ultimate I saw that Brock as a older brother to Peter rather than the younger brat.

But being me I would have agreed anyway,

[CrimeMaster!]

In my opion, Chamelion has always been a lame rip off of Mysterio, even if they had appeared at different times, they are really only a issue apart, but whatever.

I don't really think hair and Height matter to much, but age, I can get that, even in ultimate I saw that Brock as a older brother to Peter rather than the younger brat.

But being me I would have agreed anyway,

You do know that Chameleon first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man#1 and Mysterio in issue #13,hardly an issue apart from each other and a rip off.

[MartellMan]

Chameleon is not a rip off of Mysterio in any way. Chameleon is not an illusionist.
However it seems like the morhping thing has been way overused in comics, television, and movies.

[TheRiddlerkid]

You do know that Chameleon first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man#1 and Mysterio in issue #13,hardly an issue apart from each other and a rip off.


Did you know that Mysterio disguised himself as an alien in Issue 2? and that does come after 1 I believe.

[CrimeMaster!]

Did you know that Mysterio disguised himself as an alien in Issue 2? and that does come after 1 I believe.


That revelation wasn't revealed till Spectacular Spider-Man #51 1981 that Mysterio/Beck was apart of Tinkerer's fake green aliens gang.


Mysterio 1st appearence still stands as Amazing #13,Chameleon still pre dates him by 12 issues.


Maybe Im missing something but I just don't see Chameleon as a rip off of Mysterio.From stuff I read Ditko prefered villains that used deception and illustions in their criminal acts.

[CrimeMaster!]

Also the angle of a villain dressing up as Spider-Man to discredit him was used with Chameleon first.

[neobido9999]

what is the evidence for him being Venom. I'm not a zealot either way, Venom could work, could not. But:

*his hair dyed
-not necessarily meaning Venom,m electro, vulture and chameleon fit.

*spy reports of Venom sculptures on AICN
-pretty conclusive if true, could be merely black spidey suit

*venom bing the anti parker
-casting fits for that

*topher being Eddie Brock
-casting doesn't really fit

*supposed venom suit being purple
-points to venom, or maybe a reinvented electro

[Venom'sDad]

One simple reason why I believe that Topher won't be Venom.......

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/Zeringetti/kd02.jpg


....because she said so.

[TheRiddlerkid]

That revelation wasn't revealed till Spectacular Spider-Man #51 1981 that Mysterio/Beck was apart of Tinkerer's fake green aliens gang.


Mysterio 1st appearence still stands as Amazing #13,Chameleon still pre dates him by 12 issues.


Maybe Im missing something but I just don't see Chameleon as a rip off of Mysterio.From stuff I read Ditko prefered villains that used deception and illustions in their criminal acts.

I like to think that Beck and Mysterio are the same thing, I mean the alien thing should have not happened as it was really never resolved in the early issues of Spider-Man. But Beck is still Mysterio and I would rather have Beck than Mysterio.

Both can pretend to be Spider-Man, but would you rather be the guy who can change his appearance or the guy who can change his appearance, fight, creat ilusions, hypnotize you and other things?

hence I think he is a rip off, well to modern times anyway. Chamelion is more of a Minor Villain now adays where as Mysterio (at it's pivitole) was a force to be reconed with. I'll give props to Chamelion for doing what he does, but what Mysterio can do, goes farthar than that of what the Chamelion can go to.

I will admit he is a character and he has a different story and everyhting, but Mysterio has that "whatever you can do, I can do better" thing against him.

better story is debatable.

[Visionary]

One simple reason why I believe that Topher won't be Venom.......

....because she said so.
She also said that Church is playing Sandman. Nah, she can't be right about that, now can she? :O

[Venom'sDad]

Woot Tee Doo.... a 90 year old lady and a new born infant, along with half the civilize world, knew that THC was Sandman. What, you want to give her a gold medal.... be my guest..... but if you want to play blind man, than you go walk with the shepard, cause me.... my eyes is wide fu<%!ng open. Everyone that is involved with this movie is afraid to piss on a picture of the villains, yet alone just nod yes, if you went through a list of possible candidates. Oh Lord Behold, she comes out and say "blah blah blah", than say "oops... I wasn't suppose to say that".... as if she realize she has just made a major mistake in revealing the villains, against Sony & Marvel's will, against a sign affidavit, not under any circumstances, is she to reveal who the villains are in SM3, with no legal authority to do such....... yet comes back 3 days later and blatantly, with no trepidation whats so ever, reveal the villains again... laughing like it's a joke, to MTV...... and I'm suppose to whole heartedly believe her. JFC give me a break.

I think I have "Made the Case" for Venom..... and it's for damn certain has nothing to do with Kirsten Dunst.

[Visionary]

Damn, now I'm really hoping that Topher Grace will officially be announced as Eddie Brock. It's just something that needs to happen, I love a good angry crowd, it's gonna be my own personally Christmas gift to myself. ;)

[Norman Osborn]

Damn, now I'm really hoping that Topher Grace will officially be announced as Eddie Brock. It's just something that needs to happen, I love a good angry crowd, it's gonna be my own personally Christmas gift to myself. ;)

Scrooge!!!! :(

[Visionary]

I'm one who's all for him playing Electro or Venom, I'd prefer Electro...but I'm cool with him playing Eddie Brock. I just can't wait to start peeing on everyone, with a grin like R. KELLY, if he's playing Eddie Brock.:cool:

[Venom'sDad]

Damn, now I'm really hoping that Topher Grace will officially be announced as Eddie Brock. It's just something that needs to happen, I love a good angry crowd, it's gonna be my own personally Christmas gift to myself. ;)


Look, as far as I'm concern, Kirsten is a stooge, for saying what she has said. She is willingly playing the role of a stooge for Sony & Marvel, to completely throw the fan base off, of what there intentions are. Sony releasing a picture of Sandman only adds to the deception and reveals nothing that most have not already knew. Hell, we knew 2 years ago, long before THC was even thought off, that Sandman was going to be in SM3 when Sam & Tobey express "their love" for the character.... how convient.... they put that out there to gage the public response, and sence there was no up-roar about it, they went with it. I sincerily hope you don't get that Christmas present.... not because of fear you are going to say "nine nine knee nine nigh", but because Topher does not fit the Character, IMHO.

If Sony confirm him as EB/V, than so be it... I hope he does a good job, and I have said if he is EB/V, I think he will, cause he is a good actor. IMO, he does not fit the character of a mean, pist-off, quick tempered, mad at the world, revengeful, don't give a sh** about life, gotta have it my way or I will kill myself, hunk of mass to me...... Topher looks more like...... a geeky, weak, nine nigh, itch that gets on your nerve, 148lb weakling, that is silly and is comic relief. He looks like he could be PP..... and before you jump in saying thats the point, a mirror image PP/Spidey..... EB/V is not a mirror image in either world(616 or UU). EB/V is the complete opposite of PP/Spidey. Everything PP/Spidey is, EB/V is not. Everything EB/V is, PP/Spidey is not.... so save it, they are not mirror images of each other.... they are on the total opposite side of the spectrum, especially when you add the Symbiot murderous hatred to EB already terrible persona.

Hell, I would acceppt him more as Ned Leeds, Electro, or CHAMELEON, than EB/V. This has nothing to do with Sam... he basically said that this was Sony & Marvel game of "hide and go seek".... and I honestly think that they put Kirsten up to do that, which maybe the reason why she fear no repercussion for her action.... or that she is totally wrong, and there is no need to reprehend her.

[Sparta*]

I dunno...Topher really cries out Quentin Beck AKA Mysterio to me.....

[TheRiddlerkid]

I dunno...Topher really cries out Quentin Beck AKA Mysterio to me.....



http://imagehosting.hostrave.com/uploads/fdc0a539ed.jpg


http://www.star94.com/steve_vikki/TopherGrace/topher3.jpg

In this Picture Especially, I think it just looks like a mondern day Beck, but meh, that's just me again.

But I think you going onto something there,

although, close in weight, I think like Topher is 155, and Mysterio here is 175, but they look similar I guess in bidy build, I really don't think hair matters to much.

however, I still think he is Hobgoblin.

[TrueBeliever]

Hey, I've posted this elsewhere and plan to repost this in other Topher threads (I haven't been keeping up with the threads as much as I should...) So, if this is old news, forgive me:

Imdb.com lists Topher Grace as "Venom"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/

KyleD.

[Gladiator]

Hey, I've posted this elsewhere and plan to repost this in other Topher threads (I haven't been keeping up with the threads as much as I should...) So, if this is old news, forgive me:

Imdb.com lists Topher Grace as "Venom"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/

KyleD.
WTH?? Every thread I've been to has this post.:confused:





And btw, don't believe it until you hear it from Sony/Marvel/Raimi.

[Superman \S/]

Hey, I've posted this elsewhere and plan to repost this in other Topher threads (I haven't been keeping up with the threads as much as I should...) So, if this is old news, forgive me:

Imdb.com lists Topher Grace as "Venom"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/

KyleD.

And you believe IMDB? I'll believe he's playing Venom when Raimi confirms it. :spidey:

[CrimeMaster!]

[quote=TheRiddlerkid]I like to think that Beck and Mysterio are the same thing, I mean the alien thing should have not happened as it was really never resolved in the early issues of Spider-Man. But Beck is still Mysterio and I would rather have Beck than Mysterio.{quote}

Well Beck isn't Norman Osborn who doesn't need to wear the Green Goblin outfit all the time to be an interesting character.Becks needs the fishbowl dome green suit,purple cape with the 2 eyes.His outfit and tricks is the characters appeal.

I prefer Beck myself but Berkhart isn't doing a bad job himself with the Mysterio stuff.


[quote=TheRiddlerkid]Both can pretend to be Spider-Man, but would you rather be the guy who can change his appearance or the guy who can change his appearance, fight, creat ilusions, hypnotize you and other things?{quote}

Well the fact of the matter is you deemed Chameleon a Mysterio ripe off when he was created first and used the dress up as Spider-Man to commit a crime angle first.



[quote=TheRiddlerkid]hence I think he is a rip off, well to modern times anyway. Chamelion is more of a Minor Villain now adays where as Mysterio (at it's pivitole) was a force to be reconed with. I'll give props to Chamelion for doing what he does, but what Mysterio can do, goes farthar than that of what the Chamelion can go to..{quote}


Well judging by the last 17 years ,it seems Chameleon got around quite a bit.more so then Mysterio.Ranging from being a player in the later 80s Lobo Brothers gang war/Kidnapping and impersonating JJ,the fake parents plot with Harry Osborn,discovering Spider-Man's identity during a Spectacular Spider-Man arc in the late 90s,and Paul Jenkins wonderful story from Webspinners.

Now I would't dare say Chameleon has Green Goblin or Doc Ock impact but I wouldn't say hes a minor villain either.As for you Mysterio being a better force and doing what Chameleon can do farther comment,well I would say Chameleon has done more to get to and strike at Spider-Man then Mysterio has.

[quote=TheRiddlerkid]I will admit he is a character and he has a different story and everyhting, but Mysterio has that "whatever you can do, I can do better" thing against him..{quote}

Well Chameleon has the better track record I would say when it comes to being a mastermind and crimes.

Im with you I prefer Mysterio to Chameleon ,love the character and his costume is my favorite for a supervillain.

I think with good writing Mysterio can be used as a more effective villain then Chameleon.Hey I enjoyed what Mackie was doing with the Berkhart/Mysterio(even though at first they were writing him as if it was Beck) with the whole being driven to finally find out Spider-Man secret idenity to strike back at him.It could have let to some interesting stuff but like most Mackie plots was lefted unresolved for other writers to clean up.

PAD has said he would like to use Mysterio at some point during his run if he could just figure out the mess of whos behind that dome.I have faith he would use him well,but who knows.Along with Hobgoblin ,I would look forward to both making a return to the main Spider-Man books.

[CrimeMaster!]

http://imagehosting.hostrave.com/uploads/fdc0a539ed.jpg


http://www.star94.com/steve_vikki/TopherGrace/topher3.jpg

In this Picture Especially, I think it just looks like a mondern day Beck, but meh, that's just me again.

But I think you going onto something there,

although, close in weight, I think like Topher is 155, and Mysterio here is 175, but they look similar I guess in bidy build, I really don't think hair matters to much.

however, I still think he is Hobgoblin.


I don't see Grace resembling Beck at all,if anything a young Leonard Nimoy resembles the Beck from the comic books the most in my opinion.

As for Hobgoblin,well if Grace was older I could see that.He does have the kinda build that kingsley has,but if anyone suits up in Goblin gear it will be Franco/Harry not Grace.

When everything comes out I wouldn't be surprised if Grace isn't a villain at all and Sandman/Harry are the 2 baddies.But if he is I hope it would be Electro.

[CrimeMaster!]

Heres what I would picture Quentin Beck looking like in real life.



http://spiderfan.org/characters/images/mysterio/asm66.jpg





http://www.tulsawalk.com/parks-places/tulsa/trekexpo99/leonardnimoy-spock-01.jpg http://www.tulsawalk.com/parks-places/tulsa/trekexpo99/leonardnimoy-spock-02.jpg

[buford]

And you believe IMDB? I'll believe he's playing Venom when Raimi confirms it. :spidey:

Topher Grace is Venom.

This info comes from people associated with casting at Sony in Los Angeles. They've had him do screen tests opposite some Gwen Stacy candidates. And he's done readings with other cast members. This has happened over the past two weeks.

This is a done deal.

[buford]

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[Toren]

Heres what I would picture Quentin Beck looking like in real life.
http://www.tulsawalk.com/parks-places/tulsa/trekexpo99/leonardnimoy-spock-01.jpg http://www.tulsawalk.com/parks-places/tulsa/trekexpo99/leonardnimoy-spock-02.jpg
Pointy ears and all?

Topher Grace is Venom.

This info comes from people associated with casting at Sony in Los Angeles. They've had him do screen tests opposite some Gwen Stacy candidates. And he's done readings with other cast members. This has happened over the past two weeks.

This is a done deal.
This is news to me (and most people here). Where'd ya get this info?

[Symbiotica]

"Venom" is reading lines opposite "Gwen Stacy candidates"?! What the **** does Venom have to do with Gwen Stacy!

It has been a long time since I have seen such a flagrant, arrant LIE out here. "Done deal," my...... the only "done deal" I see is a bunch of really bad lying! If you're going to think up a lie, at least make it a good one!

[Superman \S/]

Topher Grace is Venom.

This info comes from people associated with casting at Sony in Los Angeles. They've had him do screen tests opposite some Gwen Stacy candidates. And he's done readings with other cast members. This has happened over the past two weeks.

This is a done deal.

Yeah right thats a bold face lie and your full of it i'll believe it once you show all of us a link. :o

[TheSlag]

Topher Grace is Venom.

This info comes from people associated with casting at Sony in Los Angeles. They've had him do screen tests opposite some Gwen Stacy candidates. And he's done readings with other cast members. This has happened over the past two weeks.

This is a done deal.

He said the magic "G" word... MUST... NOT... DARE... TO... LOOK... DIRECTLY... AT... SUN... *ARRRRRRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHH :D

[Superman \S/]

He said the magic "G" word... MUST... NOT... DARE... TO... LOOK... DIRECTLY... AT... SUN... *ARRRRRRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHH :D

LOL :up:

[spiderdroppings]

whats up people i am new here!!! i think all you people who think gay topher grace is venom are smoking too much crack!!

[Hugebear]

If Sony confirm him as EB/V, than so be it... I hope he does a good job, and I have said if he is EB/V, I think he will, cause he is a good actor. IMO, he does not fit the character of a mean, pist-off, quick tempered, mad at the world, revengeful, don't give a sh** about life, gotta have it my way or I will kill myself, hunk of mass to me...... Topher looks more like...... a geeky, weak, nine nigh, itch that gets on your nerve, 148lb weakling, that is silly and is comic relief. He looks like he could be PP..... and before you jump in saying thats the point, a mirror image PP/Spidey..... EB/V is not a mirror image in either world(616 or UU). EB/V is the complete opposite of PP/Spidey. Everything PP/Spidey is, EB/V is not. Everything EB/V is, PP/Spidey is not.... so save it, they are not mirror images of each other.... they are on the total opposite side of the spectrum, especially when you add the Symbiot murderous hatred to EB already terrible persona.
.

This is exactly why I think he's playing Eddie. He is a good actor that can play the part of a mean, mad at the world, quick tempered Eddie. (616)

Also he looks like Peter before he became Spider-man ( weakling, geeky) who gets great power and turns to the dark side. (UU)

[Venom'sDad]

This is exactly why I think he's playing Eddie. He is a good actor that can play the part of a mean, mad at the world, quick tempered Eddie. (616)

Also he looks like Peter before he became Spider-man ( weakling, geeky) who gets great power and turns to the dark side. (UU)

No... thats not the point, because many of you conveniently, in an attempt to say he UU Eddie, leave out the fact that Eddie's name has been dropped and mention in SM1.... meaning he's not a college student as in the UU, he is established as a writer/photographer as in the Classic(616)....which btw is a much older person....mid 30's.

[TheSlag]

No... thats not the point, because many of you conveniently, in an attempt to say he UU Eddie, leave out the fact that Eddie's name has been dropped and mention in SM1.... meaning he's not a college student as in the UU, he is established as a writer/photographer as in the Classic(616)....which btw is a much older person....mid 30's.

1) they mentioned "Eddie", not Eddie Brock
2) IF they choose to make Eddie Brock a photographer, competing with Peter, hating Spidey, etc... does not necessarially mean they will NOT go with the Ultimate Symbiote Origin.

That said, I don't think, and I CERTAINLY don't hope that they go with the Ultimate Symbiote origin... that IMO, would be a mistake. Unfortunately... it would not be the first one they have made, and probably would not be the last either. :(

[MartellMan]

Heres what I would picture Quentin Beck looking like in real life.



http://spiderfan.org/characters/images/mysterio/asm66.jpg





http://www.tulsawalk.com/parks-places/tulsa/trekexpo99/leonardnimoy-spock-01.jpg http://www.tulsawalk.com/parks-places/tulsa/trekexpo99/leonardnimoy-spock-02.jpg

now that spocks older he looks even more like him!
Live long and Prosper!

Spock rules!

[buford]

"Venom" is reading lines opposite "Gwen Stacy candidates"?! What the **** does Venom have to do with Gwen Stacy!

It has been a long time since I have seen such a flagrant, arrant LIE out here. "Done deal," my...... the only "done deal" I see is a bunch of really bad lying! If you're going to think up a lie, at least make it a good one!

Sigh.

Everyone who's a Spidey fan knows that Gwen Stacy didn't have anything to do with Eddie Brock in the original comic. But I think many of you assume that Raimi et al are always doing an exact adaption of the comic. You would be wrong in that assumption.

At present, from what I've heard, they are doing screen tests with Grace (playing Eddie Brock/Venom) and Gwen Stacy candidates. You can draw whatever conclusions you'd like as to why they are screen testing those actors together in those roles.

And as for a link, there is no link. The only link that people are going to find from non-official sites - from Chud.com, Dark Horizons, SuperHerohype, etc. - are all based on rumors they're hearing from people involved with the film. This is no different.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Wait for the official news, and come back and ridicule me if this turns out to be wrong. And if it's right, you can say what you'd like - that I got lucky and guessed, or that maybe, just maybe I knew some people involved with the film.

[Venom'sDad]

1) they mentioned "Eddie", not Eddie Brock
2) IF they choose to make Eddie Brock a photographer, competing with Peter, hating Spidey, etc... does not necessarially mean they will NOT go with the Ultimate Symbiote Origin.

That said, I don't think, and I CERTAINLY don't hope that they go with the Ultimate Symbiote origin... that IMO, would be a mistake. Unfortunately... it would not be the first one they have made, and probably would not be the last either. :(


1) We all know who they were talking about.... don't kid yourself

2) Let me make myself more clear, because you probably didn't understand what I was saying, you would have to go further back to do so. If TG is EB/V it would be the UU version as far as appearence, age, size, etc; however, Eddie & the Symbiot history would come from the Classic(616). He would not be a college student and the SYM will not be created in the lab. :cool:

[TheSlag]

1) We all know who they were talking about.... don't kid yourself

2) Let me make myself more clear, because you probably didn't understand what I was saying, you would have to go further back to do so. If TG is EB/V it would be the UU version as far as appearence, age, size, etc; however, Eddie & the Symbiot history would come from the Classic(616). He would not be a college student and the SYM will not be created in the lab. :cool:

I understood what you were saying, I was simply pointing out that just because they mentioned a photographer by the name of "Eddie" in SM1, and just because Topher is more of a match for an ultimate looking Brock... DOES NOT add up to Eddie Brock photographer for the Bugle, and the classic telling of the symbiote/Brock.

Don't get me wrong, I too "think" that is what we will get, and IF you're were just expressing what you "think" we will get... I agree with you. The way you worded it, made it sound like it is a done deal. Which... it is not.

And I still don't think we will get Venom in SM3. Brock... yes. Symbiote... yes. Venom... Too Soon IMO.

[TheSlag]

Sigh.

Everyone who's a Spidey fan knows that Gwen Stacy didn't have anything to do with Eddie Brock in the original comic. But I think many of you assume that Raimi et al are always doing an exact adaption of the comic. You would be wrong in that assumption.

At present, from what I've heard, they are doing screen tests with Grace (playing Eddie Brock/Venom) and Gwen Stacy candidates. You can draw whatever conclusions you'd like as to why they are screen testing those actors together in those roles.

And as for a link, there is no link. The only link that people are going to find from non-official sites - from Chud.com, Dark Horizons, SuperHerohype, etc. - are all based on rumors they're hearing from people involved with the film. This is no different.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Wait for the official news, and come back and ridicule me if this turns out to be wrong. And if it's right, you can say what you'd like - that I got lucky and guessed, or that maybe, just maybe I knew some people involved with the film.


*ultra sigh* ;)

And dancin around on one shoe while waiting for the other to FALL... DAMN IT!!! :mad: *inside joke*

You're a "tease" you are. And what's sad, is I bet you're a guy too. :( Anyhoo... Care to expand on this info? Like how you came across it? Your contact? I know, you can't give a name, but maybe some more specifics? About your contact? About actresses who are interviewing for the role of Gwen? How big of a role she will have? What type of character she will be? Classic Gwen? Ultimate Gwen? Will her father have a role? What does your contact do in the business that would make him privy to this "inside info"?

ANY... FRICKIN... THING???? ;)

Edit: And while hope springs eternal in a Slag's breast... No... I'm not "buying the milk or the cow" yet... but IF you have some "magic beans"... We can make a deal. :D

[LarryLegend]

Topher Grace is Venom.

This info comes from people associated with casting at Sony in Los Angeles. They've had him do screen tests opposite some Gwen Stacy candidates. And he's done readings with other cast members. This has happened over the past two weeks.

This is a done deal.

Source? Gwen doesn't really fit with Venom since she died about 15 years before Venom was introduced in the comics. Nice try. :down

[LarryLegend]

1) We all know who they were talking about.... don't kid yourself

2) Let me make myself more clear, because you probably didn't understand what I was saying, you would have to go further back to do so. If TG is EB/V it would be the UU version as far as appearence, age, size, etc; however, Eddie & the Symbiot history would come from the Classic(616). He would not be a college student and the SYM will not be created in the lab. :cool:

Nice contradiction as usual VD.

You state that Eddie will be the UU version in terms of apperance, age, size. Thats a young man in his early 20's, college students etc. However you also state that Eddie's history would come from the classic 616. Thats a man in his mid to late 30's. How can he be both?

[Venom'sDad]

Nice contradiction as usual VD.

You state that Eddie will be the UU version in terms of apperance, age, size. Thats a young man in his early 20's, college students etc. However you also state that Eddie's history would come from the classic 616. Thats a man in his mid to late 30's. How can he be both?


There is no contradiction, just your lack of understanding.

Eddie can easily be a 25 year old graduate, fresh out of college, working as a photographer as well, with high hopes in becoming a writer for the Bugle..... which in turn, could be the reason why he fabricates stories hoping to land a writers job, but of coarse PP/Spidey proves him wrong, and start this cycle of hatred towards PP/Spidey. :)

[LarryLegend]

There is no contradiction, just your lack of understanding.

Eddie can easily be a 25 year old graduate, fresh out of college, working as a photographer as well, with high hopes in becoming a writer for the Bugle..... which in turn, could be the reason why he fabricates stories hoping to land a writers job, but of coarse PP/Spidey proves him wrong, and start this cycle of hatred towards PP/Spidey. :)

Nope, your lack of comprehension and understanding as usual. You say Eddie will be the same age as the UU version. The ultimate Universe version is like 20 and in college, not 25 and fresh out.

[Venom'sDad]

Nope, your lack of comprehension and understanding as usual. You say Eddie will be the same age as the UU version. The ultimate Universe version is like 20 and in college, not 25 and fresh out.

Pish-Posh....... what, you want a No-Prize....LOL :down

[LarryLegend]

Pish-Posh....... what, you want a No-Prize....LOL :down

Nope. Just pointing out your contradiction.

[buford]

*ultra sigh* ;)

You're a "tease" you are. And what's sad, is I bet you're a guy too. :( Anyhoo... Care to expand on this info? Like how you came across it? Your contact? I know, you can't give a name, but maybe some more specifics? About your contact? About actresses who are interviewing for the role of Gwen? How big of a role she will have? What type of character she will be? Classic Gwen? Ultimate Gwen? Will her father have a role? What does your contact do in the business that would make him privy to this "inside info"?

ANY... FRICKIN... THING???? ;)
:D

Understand the frustration. Don't mean to be a tease. Just passing along what I've heard without getting anyone in trouble. I would be more specific if I could, but I don't want to jeopardize anyone's job just to post something specific on an Internet message board.

All I can say is that I heard this info from people directly involved in the casting of all these roles. People who've read the most recent draft of the script (which is still being worked on by Raimi as we speak).

I don't know whether Gwen will be Classic Gwen or Ultimate Gwen. But I do believe that her role will be sizable. Not bigger than Mary Jane, but sizable. I don't believe her father will have a role in the movie, though.

Hope that answers some questions.

[TheSlag]

Understand the frustration. Don't mean to be a tease. Just passing along what I've heard without getting anyone in trouble. I would be more specific if I could, but I don't want to jeopardize anyone's job just to post something specific on an Internet message board.

All I can say is that I heard this info from people directly involved in the casting of all these roles. People who've read the most recent draft of the script (which is still being worked on by Raimi as we speak).

I don't know whether Gwen will be Classic Gwen or Ultimate Gwen. But I do believe that her role will be sizable. Not bigger than Mary Jane, but sizable. I don't believe her father will have a role in the movie, though.

Hope that answers some questions.

While I appreciate the reply, you'll understand if I choose not to believe you. And while I understand wanting to NOT jeopardise anyone's job, I think you could provide more info without doing such.

And I understand from your first post that you understand my feelings. ;)

A couple of points though...

1) I would think those involved in casting, would NOT be privy to the script as you state here. They WOULD be privy to the role their looking to fill, but not the script, earlier/reworking version or whatever.

2) How do you know that the script is NOW being worked on by Raimi. And I would assume the script is basically complete, with shooting underway. Yes, the script will undoubtedly be tweaked as it progresses, but I would classify it as complete at this point.

I hope Gwen is in SM3, but you'll understand if I don't chalk it up as fact based on your report.

I have always wanted Gwen, partially because I love her character, but moreso because of what her character can bring to an isolated feeling movie from the concept of ALL about ONE girl approach of Raimi & Co. Part of what Gwen could bring would be her father and his role in the movies. I doubt, that EVEN if we get Gwen, that Raimi & Co would have the foresight to also give us the Captain. :(

Time... will tell the story.

[Martell Now!]

It's too late, for the Captain I believe. But I could be wrong. However a ton of story material has been wasted, by skipping Gwen and Captain.

[TheSlag]

It's too late, for the Captain I believe. But I could be wrong. However a ton of story material has been wasted, by skipping Gwen and Captain.

Probably so, if we're talking his great (IMO) storyline where he dies in Spidey's arms. :( But 1) I think the Captain offers more than just that storyline (kinda like Gwen offers more than just her death storyline), he offers the strong authority figure that is lacking in Peter's life, and as an offset to JJ's hatred of Spider-Man. 2) With rumors of Ock possibly being back... you never know. ;)

[Visionary]

I'm going to see if I can get Qwen Stacy in these films, starting in SM3. I'm getting tired of hearing about her. I would love to see a lot more supporting characters in these films, I wanna see other people/characters lives in this franchise besides Peter/MJ/Harry...but my list is long...and right now I'm sleepy.

One more thing, it's never too late for anything, a pen and a pad can get you anything you want put into this franchise...you just have to know how to reach the ones with the power to do it...and that's where I come in...I have a sleeping disorder called ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

[Visionary]

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Visionary]

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[TheSlag]

:rolleyes: you thought this routine was worthy of three posts??????

The only sleeping disorder you've got Oscar... is putting others to sleep with your posts.

[Visionary]

I'm awake now.

I wasn't me, it was slippery fingers.

[TheSlag]

I'm awake now.

I wasn't me, it was slippery fingers.

God.... I... Do... Not... want to know... what made them... "slippery". :eek:

*runs from thread* :D

[buford]

1) I would think those involved in casting, would NOT be privy to the script as you state here. They WOULD be privy to the role their looking to fill, but not the script, earlier/reworking version or whatever.

2) How do you know that the script is NOW being worked on by Raimi. And I would assume the script is basically complete, with shooting underway. Yes, the script will undoubtedly be tweaked as it progresses, but I would classify it as complete at this point.

I hope Gwen is in SM3, but you'll understand if I don't chalk it up as fact based on your report.


1) I understand why you think that, but you would be wrong.

More than a few people get access to the script. The least of which are people in casting. In addition, people in costume design get the script so they know how to design costumes for various characters' scenes. In short, any number of people involved in production get the script.

2) I certainly have not physically seen Raimi working on the script, but that is what I've heard as of this week. And I heard about it the same way I've heard this other stuff - through people directly involved in the film.

But to respond to your other questions, shooting has NOT already begun, and the script is not in it's final version. You are incorrect to assume that.

Chalk nothing up as fact until you see it on the screen. No matter how many press reports you read on the movie, or, worse yet, links to internet reports, the majority of them will be inaccurate.

All I can tell you is what I've heard over the past few weeks. You are welcome to not believe me if you so choose.

[TheSlag]

1) I understand why you think that, but you would be wrong.

More than a few people get access to the script. The least of which are people in casting. In addition, people in costume design get the script so they know how to design costumes for various characters' scenes. In short, any number of people involved in production get the script.

I think I'm not... wrong that is. How in the HELL would they ever keep a leak from getting to the press IF that many people got the script? WHY would these people NEED the script? They (casting agents, costume, wardrobe) need to know the characters, NOT the script.


2) I certainly have not physically seen Raimi working on the script, but that is what I've heard as of this week. And I heard about it the same way I've heard this other stuff - through people directly involved in the film.

Ever wonder IF they're just yanking your chain??? Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

But to respond to your other questions, shooting has NOT already begun, and the script is not in it's final version. You are incorrect to assume that.

Then I'm NOT alone in being "incorrect" then. And we know some second unit shooting has already been done, and the primary shooting is scheduled to begin this month.

Chalk nothing up as fact until you see it on the screen. No matter how many press reports you read on the movie, or, worse yet, links to internet reports, the majority of them will be inaccurate.

All I can tell you is what I've heard over the past few weeks. You are welcome to not believe me if you so choose.

Trust me. I "want" to believe when it comes to Gwen Stacy, or any Stacy in a Spider-Man movie. I've been leading the charge on "one shoe" (inside joke) for quite a while now. I still think Gwen and her father COULD and SHOULD be introduced as a means (if nothing else) to take the spotlight off the ALL about ONE girl.

It's just, you give nothing to hang my hat on here. I wish you could "talk" to these friends of yours and get something more specific, so we could judge IF you were right or not. Like Gwen's role?? Ultimate or not??? Love interest or not??? College student or not????

Any... frickin... thing. ;)

[Visionary]

I don't know, remember that girl who's sister worked for Sony, who read the entire Spider-Man 2 script, Sony didn't see that coming?

This just surprised the hell out of me.

[TheSlag]

I don't know, remember that girl who's sister worked for Sony, who read the entire Spider-Man 2 script, Sony didn't see that coming?

This just surprised the hell out of me.

I sense sarcasm coming from the trash bin??? ;) :up:

[Visionary]

Nah, I'm just saying that Sony is better at keeping the villains secret, than the script.

[TheSlag]

Nah, I'm just saying that Sony is better at keeping the villains secret, than the script.

If the script is known, why would the villains NOT be????

[Visionary]

If the script is known, why would the villains NOT be????
I'm not saying I believe this guy, but someone will get their hands on the script. We'll get about 10 people before SM3 actually comes out stating they have it, and it'll drive us crazy with rumors. But 1 out of that 10 will actually have real info, and maybe the actual script. Harry Knowles/Mori/AICN or LATINO REVIEW get scripts for movies a year or more before they're released...it's nothing new.

[TheSlag]

I'm not saying I believe this guy, but someone will get their hands on the script. We'll get about 10 people before SM3 actually comes out stating they have it, and it'll drive us crazy with rumors. But 1 out of that 10 will actually have real info, and maybe the actual script. Harry Knowles/Mori/AICN or LATINO REVIEW get scripts for movies a year or more before they're released...it's nothing new.

I agree that "someone" will get their hands on it eventually... probably... but this is different from other movies, Sony DOES try to keep the lid on the Spider-Man movies moreso than others... and rightfully so too IMO.

Refresh my memory on the the girl who's sister worked at Sony, and claimed to have read the script... I can't remember IF she got lucky with any guesses or not... or was she like usual... too vague to be held down on anything???

[Visionary]

I agree that "someone" will get their hands on it eventually... probably... but this is different from other movies, Sony DOES try to keep the lid on the Spider-Man movies moreso than others... and rightfully so too IMO.

Refresh my memory on the the girl who's sister worked at Sony, and claimed to have read the script... I can't remember IF she got lucky with any guesses or not... or was she like usual... too vague to be held down on anything???
Perhaps you wasn't here, but I believe you were, when someone named Marlowe I believe--who answered every single question about SM2, and it turned out she was 100% right with every answer. She said her big sister worked at Sony, and her sister brought home the script and she read it. Turns out she really had the script, even Sony got involved and demanded that the info NOT be printed in forums...it was then removed from this site and a Star Trek site where Marlowe first answered fanboys questions.

[TheSlag]

Perhaps you wasn't here, but I believe you were, when someone named Marlowe I believe--who answered every single question about SM2, and it turned out she was 100% right with every answer. She said her big sister worked at Sony, and her sister brought home the script and she read it. Turns out she really had the script, even Sony got involved and demanded that the info NOT be printed in forums...it was then removed from this site and a Star Trek site where Marlowe first answered fanboys questions.

I remember the poster, but I didn't remember what she had said, and if it turned out to be true or not. What did she answer correctly???

[James"007"Bond]

Sony are careless anyway. They have people dying whilst building a set, have expensive spidey costumes stolen from under their noses and they can't even keep the hired help aka Dunst to keep their traps shut about certain things and then there are the script leakages. Sony should just give up with all this MI5 secrecy bull-dung. Not only is it tedious but its embarrasing...

[Visionary]

I remember the poster, but I didn't remember what she had said, and if it turned out to be true or not. What did she answer correctly???
The Doc Ock chip motif (no one knew about this until she said it), The train sequence (Ock/Spidey fighting on top of it), Peter losing his powers, New Yorkers finding out Spidey's secret ID, Peter and MJ not getting married (even though there were tons of wedding pics and what people thought to be the case), Harry finding the Goblin Liar (or this), etc.

[Visionary]

Sony are careless anyway. They have people dying whilst building a set, have expensive spidey costumes stolen from under their noses and they can't even keep the hired help aka Dunst to keep their traps shut about certain things and then there are the script leakages. Sony should just give up with all this MI5 secrecy bull-dung. Not only is it tedious but its embarrasing...
Are you kidding, do you know how much insane buzz/focus SM2/SM3 has gotten from what you stated above? That's buzz that can't be bought.:cool:

[James"007"Bond]

Who's talking about buzz? Sure all the stuff I mentioned going on is definately going to have a few noses poking in the movie's direction, I'm just saying sony are careless with how they go about certain things regarding the spider-man movies. How many times have you read or heard someone working on a spidey movie say in an interview, "Oh, I cant say this and blah blah because Sam or whoever will kill me"?? Yet 2 days later we get Dunst or some one else spewing secret info faster than a speeding bullet.

But hey, what do I care, I can wait. If spider-man 3 looks as though it'll be good, I'll be first in line with my hand buried in my sweet flavored popcorn. If it looks like its going to be awful, then bring on the chinaman.

[Visionary]

Sony isn't careless, no studio has complete control over every aspect of a movie this big--thanks to the internet. Like I said above, soon, someone will have the entire script to SM3. So, in the end, secrecy isn't really gonna matter.

[James"007"Bond]

I do believe sony is careless with certain things, emphasis on certain things and as I mentioned before, Dunst is a primary example of what I'm talking about. Surely, one would expect Sony to have enough influence to ensure Dunst can keep her trap shut but evidently we all know what the situation is like in that respect.

[buford]

I think I'm not... wrong that is. How in the HELL would they ever keep a leak from getting to the press IF that many people got the script? WHY would these people NEED the script? They (casting agents, costume, wardrobe) need to know the characters, NOT the script.

Ever wonder IF they're just yanking your chain??? Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

Then I'm NOT alone in being "incorrect" then. And we know some second unit shooting has already been done, and the primary shooting is scheduled to begin this month.

Trust me. I "want" to believe when it comes to Gwen Stacy, or any Stacy in a Spider-Man movie. I've been leading the charge on "one shoe" (inside joke) for quite a while now. I still think Gwen and her father COULD and SHOULD be introduced as a means (if nothing else) to take the spotlight off the ALL about ONE girl.

It's just, you give nothing to hang my hat on here. I wish you could "talk" to these friends of yours and get something more specific, so we could judge IF you were right or not. Like Gwen's role?? Ultimate or not??? Love interest or not??? College student or not????

Any... frickin... thing. ;)

SLAG, baby! I haven't heard word from you now that Gwen Stacy has been announced! Very disappointing.

Care to ask any other questions? I'm happy to try to answer them.

[mjbull23]

I think Grace will be presented as Eddie Brock , although I remain less certain about the introduction of Venom , I have a feeling they may try to set it up for the next movie... BUT... I'm really hoping they try to put the Lizard into play for SM4.

[The Hurricane]

Its always the case. We ahve all this venom talk but he will end up just being Hobgoblin or something like that.

[TheSlag]

SLAG, baby! I haven't heard word from you now that Gwen Stacy has been announced! Very disappointing.

Care to ask any other questions? I'm happy to try to answer them.

Props my man. :up:

I'm still not postive it was more than a lucky guess, since I've been guessing that Gwen would be in SM2, and SM3 movies. But I gotta say, I'm starting to believe more now. ;)

I still wish you would of given some more specifics to back it up... but regardless... *Props* :up:

[buford]

Props my man. :up:

I'm still not postive it was more than a lucky guess, since I've been guessing that Gwen would be in SM2, and SM3 movies. But I gotta say, I'm starting to believe more now. ;)

I still wish you would of given some more specifics to back it up... but regardless... *Props* :up:

Why, thank you.

I've never fancied myself as much of a lucky guy, and I wasn't guessing. But unfortunately, I continue to not be able to disclose how I hear this stuff.

But I can confirm, for absolute certain, that Bryce Dallas Howard is "Gwen Stacy". Anyone who thinks this is still speculation at this point is wrong. It's a done deal. I don't know why people are so excited about AICN getting this scoop. It has been known for a little while - well before AICN was talking about it.

And the one other nugget I'll throw out there is that Gwen Stacy will be involved in a Peter Parker-Eddie Brock love triangle.

So, gnaw on that one for a bit.

[TheSlag]

Why, thank you.

I've never fancied myself as much of a lucky guy, and I wasn't guessing. But unfortunately, I continue to not be able to disclose how I hear this stuff.

But I can confirm, for absolute certain, that Bryce Dallas Howard is "Gwen Stacy". Anyone who thinks this is still speculation at this point is wrong. It's a done deal. I don't know why people are so excited about AICN getting this scoop. It has been known for a little while - well before AICN was talking about it.

And the one other nugget I'll throw out there is that Gwen Stacy will be involved in a Peter Parker-Eddie Brock love triangle.

So, gnaw on that one for a bit.

Peter+Gwen+Eddie love triangle???? Not that I like it (assuming it's true), but DEFINITELY something a little more specific that we can judge you by. :up:

I think it would be stupid, and out of character, for Peter to be interested in anybody but MJ at this time. I assume what will happen if this is true, is Peter is more of a friend to Gwen, who is dating Brock, and hopefully Brock is abusive and jealous towards her. Bryce seems to play that type role quite well.

And thus, the relationship between Peter+Gwen+Eddie is NOT a true love triangle, it's more of a friendship/big brother type at first, that may grow in the future.

[TheSlag]

Why, thank you.

I've never fancied myself as much of a lucky guy, and I wasn't guessing. But unfortunately, I continue to not be able to disclose how I hear this stuff.

But I can confirm, for absolute certain, that Bryce Dallas Howard is "Gwen Stacy". Anyone who thinks this is still speculation at this point is wrong. It's a done deal. I don't know why people are so excited about AICN getting this scoop. It has been known for a little while - well before AICN was talking about it.

And the one other nugget I'll throw out there is that Gwen Stacy will be involved in a Peter Parker-Eddie Brock love triangle.

So, gnaw on that one for a bit.

So when you say there will be a Peter+Gwen+Eddie love triangle, what exactly do you mean? Are you saying Peter will be romantically interested in Gwen, or are you just saying Peter will be involved (more like a friend) with Gwen and her relationship with Eddie Brock?

Cause again, I cannot see Peter being romantically inclined to anyone other than MJ the way they have set up the movies. At least not for now. Now if things change, the relationship Peter has with another (Gwen) could change too, and I could see Peter growing close to Gwen IF she is in a bad relationship with Eddie Brock.

Care to put a little meat on that bone you threw us???? ;) Or do you know? Is that just something someone passed along to you?

[Visionary]

How are they going to get Peter away from MJ (without killing her damn it! :mad: ) is beyond me. BTW, let's ask this person (buford) does MJ die?

[GoldGoblin]

I think you're right that he's not Venom - in THIS film - but I think he will be Eddie Brock.

I think we'll see him as Venom in the next.

^Exactly,that's what I think as well.

[lordofthenerds]

^Exactly,that's what I think as well.
I'm thinking something along the lines of that will happen too. Like having him be Brock for nearly the whole film then near the very end show the symbiote form on him.

["Iron Man"]

Actually, I think Sandman and Venom (as in both Eddie and Venom) should be in SM-3, then have the Lizard by himself in SM-4.

[Spencer9]

I think Venom needs his own movie that is why I say save him for later which makes Topher just Brock, no Venom, or not even Brock.

[supermarvelman]

Maybe Sony wants everybody to be talking about Topher so thay avoid trying to find out who the real bad guys are gonna be,t hey've given us Sandman now we're so sure that Topher is gonna be the other villian they know eventually stuff is gonna leak out so y not focus the fans attention on who Tophers gonna be.

[supermarvelman]

He seems like he could be crazy enough to play Hobgoblin

[bunglefreak]

I don't doubt Topher is Hobgoblin. Franco said there's no cliffhanger, and THC said Topher becomes a villian at the end could only mean...Hobgoblin. I think it means Hobgoblin will get revealed as Topher at the end when he's defeated.

[Mister Gone]

I think he would be great as the Vulture after he got young again

[CoreyIAN]

recent pics of topher at american dreams premiere.He still looks the same to me.

[Spider-Man™]

I think he would be great as the Vulture after he got young again

Vulture or Chameleon. :spidey:

[Spider-Man™]

recent pics of topher at american dreams premiere.He still looks the same to me.

Where were the pics?

[GoldGoblin]

recent pics of topher at american dreams premiere.He still looks the same to me.

^Probably the same size,just more toned up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hi everyone all i have to is that i have no problem with Grace playing Venom. I think it will be cool for someone like him to play such an important role. But i've been doing research on Venom and Grace he lacks
everything the villain has. I went through tons of information and as much as i say it all of it leads to one villain Chameleon. Yes i think Topher will be Chameleon. Why? Ok well first i'll start with he villain gallery. Has anyone taken the time and read the villains? I did and from height to features they are very key. Grace is 5'11 so what i did was see which villains match his height. The ones that came across were Electro, Hobgoblin (Kingsley), Mysterio, and Vulture. Out of all of them they don't fit Topher.
Even the others via Venom are 6'3 and Grace isn't even close to that.
And as for his hair we all know Grace is blond. All the villains either have red, brown, reddish-brown, gray, black, reddish-blond and bald for hair color. None of them are blond. Even Venom in the movie versions characters are all different. In the villain gallery they state that Brock has reddish-blond hair not pure blond! Graces hair is blond and nothing else. Check the villain gallery and you'll all see for yourselves. I thought and the only villain who could have blond hair was the Chameleon that being is because of how he can change to different people. The blond hair could mean that's what his counter part will have. Interesting so far? There is more to it. Remember when we heard the rumor of Church being Chameleon well know he isn't cause he is Sandman. I think that rumor had a clue though. It said Kraven was supposed to be in it and if i remeber in this movie there will be alot to see. Kraven is Chameleons stepbrother and what it said was Kraven is hard on Chameleon pushing him to do things. Grace is young he's 26-27. That would be a good age for the villain because he is younger than Kraven. Venom is older than Spidey by 2-4 years. Not younger. And knowing Raimi i don't think he would make the mistake of casting someone as a villain whos younger and not true to the real character. And why would they have a villain whose already been played in a video game? Venom was is the new Spider-man video game and he was a playable character. Why have him again if it's already been done? Reputition is a facotr i don't think Raimi could be found of. (i think) Now i know the Dunst interview she said herslef he would be playing Venom. But what if they did that to lead us off? She said this in what August September? Why would she reveal the villains when filming didn't even start? If memory serves they always reveal the villans before principal photography and that started about a month ago. We should see the first pic of Grace and who he is playing by the end of this month. Well that's the estimated time I think. Has anyone actually looked at Topher? And a pic of Chameleon? He looks exactly like him when you imagine it.

http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3862/Events/3862/TopherGrac_Devan_6504522_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Grace,%20Topher

http://digilander.libero.it/giannilacorte/web-spider-man/imm-chameleon.jpg

See what i mean? If you imagine him with that mask and that look with his eyes he looks very much the part IMO. And moe important thing........
OT: Sandmans first appearance was in Amazing Spider-man #4 he's one of Spideys first villains. Venom appeared so many years later and that was in Amazing Spider-man #252. Knowing Raimi what he likes in Spider-man is doing a film that's classic. The last two movies were with 2 classic villians who appeared the same year in Spideys first comic debut. Those villians being Green Goblin and Doc Ock. Chameleon was the very first villian Spider-man fought when he turned superhero. His appearance was in Amazing Spider-man # 1. For that reason i think it leads for Raimi continuing his classic Spidey rouges on film. And if Grace is playing Chameleon then it serves very well. He has all the characteristics Chameleon has. And if this is Raimi and crews last Spider-man movie what better way to end it with Spideys very first villian.

And that's it. I hope you guys see my point and see that there could be more to Grace than we think. I really tried my best with this and i gathered every piece of info given. Now remember i'm not saying he will play Chameleon it's just a theory which i think makes sense. If theres more to it then let there be. Please tell me what you think about what i worte and all the clues that helped this!

So what are your thoughts? :spidey:


You're wrong. Topher Grace IS Venom.