Is the general audience being scared off by a more artsy presentation?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I think that general casual fans could be having trouble getting truly excited about SR because it doesn't look like any other comic book film to date. There is something different about the environment all together. It doesn't have that modern X-men look... It doesn't have that light hearted cartoonish Spidey look... It also doesn't have the grounded entirely in reality Batman look...

So from the footage we have seen, I think it's quite likely that people aren't reacting to the trailer positive or negative because it doesn't appear like anything we've seen. Everyone got used to a certain dynamic with hollywood superhero films in their look, but Singer is going in a new direction.

Is this a problem with casual fans in your opinion?

[Fatboy Roberts]

I don't think there's a problem at all. It looks a lot like the Donner movie which A LOT of us have seen, and the trailer even SOUNDS like it, too. I don't think general casual fans are having a problem with the film, certainly not because it's too "artsy" it's a more languid teaser, yes--but it's just a teaser. There's two separate threads that show the movie is getting a LOT of buzz amongst with the other summer flicks scheduled for last year.

I think the premise you're starting out with is a little flawed. There hasn't been THAT much footage for the general public to look at in the first place. If the trailer isn't getting much reaction in theaters, I think that's more due to the trailer editing and the choice of footage used, rather than the fact it looks too "arty" for them.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I don't think there's a problem at all. It looks a lot like the Donner movie which A LOT of us have seen, and the trailer even SOUNDS like it, too. I don't think general casual fans are having a problem with the film, certainly not because it's too "artsy" it's a more languid teaser, yes--but it's just a teaser. There's two separate threads that show the movie is getting a LOT of buzz amongst with the other summer flicks scheduled for last year.

I think the premise you're starting out with is a little flawed. There hasn't been THAT much footage for the general public to look at in the first place. If the trailer isn't getting much reaction in theaters, I think that's more due to the trailer editing and the choice of footage used, rather than the fact it looks too "arty" for them.

I don't think it looks like Donner's at all :o The skies, the buildings, the lighting, etc... Such a difference.

[Mentok]

I think thats the best thing about it, it dosen't look like a comic book film.

[Nightwing1977]

I don't think there's a problem at all. It looks a lot like the Donner movie which A LOT of us have seen, and the trailer even SOUNDS like it, too. I don't think general casual fans are having a problem with the film, certainly not because it's too "artsy" it's a more languid teaser, yes--but it's just a teaser. There's two separate threads that show the movie is getting a LOT of buzz amongst with the other summer flicks scheduled for last year.

I think the premise you're starting out with is a little flawed. There hasn't been THAT much footage for the general public to look at in the first place. If the trailer isn't getting much reaction in theaters, I think that's more due to the trailer editing and the choice of footage used, rather than the fact it looks too "arty" for them.

Well said. I agree. :up:

[bosef982]

Singer's doing for Superman what he did with X-Men. He's not making a superhero action movie. He's making a sci-fi drama first. That is what makes me love Singer. He's able to deliver action, but not in abundant doses. Yet, nevertheless, his movies are compelling and interesting, demanding riveting performances from characters that keep us interested through the two hour flick and then multiple viewings.

The man knows story. Period. He doesn't care about action so much as he cares about story, and he understands that the story itself will construct the action neccessary to support it, not the other way around.

SR looks the way it does -- like a painted picture -- because SInger understands that this can't be comapred or categorized. It has to be an entity onto itself, as the LOTR films were. They are on their own pedestal, somehow part of, yet beyond, the fantasy genre.

I think Superman Returns will do the same thing. It'll be part of the comic book world, but somehow function beyond and above it at the same time, mainly due to Singer's vision.

X-Man fans decry him, but I think they'll be gnashing their teeth when they see what Singer can do with full studio support and budget.

[bosef982]

Also, remember one of the reasons Batman Begins was so respected was because of its "indie" feel.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

http://supermanreturns.warnerbros.com/assets/downloads/wallpaper/super_800_2.jpg http://supermanreturns.warnerbros.com/assets/downloads/wallpaper/super_800_10.jpg
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http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/Metropolis/mugger/mugger2.jpg

These films look nothing alike other than 2 guys who look like Superman.

:confused:

Seriously SR has a surreal look to it especially evident in how the sky is lit, the building architecture, etc...

STM is gritty NY in the city.

[sf2]

i think it's still too early to tell. we still not sure about the environment... wait for the next teaser trailer.

Also, remember one of the reasons Batman Begins was so respected was because of its "indie" feel.
respected? let's see if batman appears in the oscar. the action looks like any tv drama...

[Fatboy Roberts]

Mankiewicz AND Donner in the commentary and the documentaries, make sure to draw attention to the fact they wanted to light and shoot the Metropolis scenes as colorful and vibrant as a comic book. He wanted the first half to look like a rockwell painting, and the 2nd half to look like Curt Swan. Gritty didn't really enter into it. Those screencaps you're using DVD caps or old LD caps? That might make a difference, the LD was garbage.

I don't think Returns looks surreal. It looks very evocatively lit and shot, and reflective of the advances in filmmaking technology, much in the same way inkers and colorists today have a lot more tools and make their work look a lot cleaner and deeper than you could do back in the 70's.

[Mentok]

I had always seen the Smallville parts of SM:TM as a sort of Rockwell painting come to life. I find it cool that Donner was going for that feel :up:

I have the same feeling towards this film, based in Rockwell style imagery.

It gives the film an older, classic feeling to it. Like an old saturday morning matinee... Just the type of feeling I believe Singer is trying to capture with this film. The same sence of wonder and adventure that Superman (IMO) personifies.

[bosef982]

Just rewatching the trailer in HD gives me chills...it's so much classier than other trailers (achem)

[Motown Marvel]

just wait till you see the box office for king kong this weekend. both films have a similar visual flair, and both include big name iconic characters.

[Pickle-El]

Just rewatching the trailer in HD gives me chills...it's so much classier than other trailers (achem)

Absolutely. The novelty of explosions wears off rather quickly. :o

[scifiwolf]

Fatboy, I was going for the Rockwell/Curt Swan comment as well. I was going to point out that Singer's Smallville vistas seem to be the same, and he's substituting Fleischer for Swan with regard to the Metropolis cityscape

As for the original comment by \S/JcDc\S/, I think you're right to a certain degree. Both films are equally new and fresh when applied to their contemporary films. I think SR, in relation to the other films of its generation, is going to have the same effect as S:TM had when compared to the films of its generation.

[Phaser]

I think that general casual fans could be having trouble getting truly excited about SR because it doesn't look like any other comic book film to date. There is something different about the environment all together. It doesn't have that modern X-men look... It doesn't have that light hearted cartoonish Spidey look... It also doesn't have the grounded entirely in reality Batman look...

So from the footage we have seen, I think it's quite likely that people aren't reacting to the trailer positive or negative because it doesn't appear like anything we've seen. Everyone got used to a certain dynamic with hollywood superhero films in their look, but Singer is going in a new direction.

Is this a problem with casual fans in your opinion?

Not at all. In fact, SR's teaser reminds me a lot of the first teaser for BB which was released in August last year (the one with Bale's voiceover). Both teasers had dialogue in the background and very little action which seemed to give the films this "artsy" vibe you're talking about.

Just wait until you see the TV spots for this film.

[dark_b]

Not at all. In fact, SR's teaser reminds me a lot of the first teaser for BB which was released in August last year (the one with Bale's voiceover). Both teasers had dialogue in the background and very little action which seemed to give the films this "artsy" vibe you're talking about.

Just wait until you see the TV spots for this film.watch the trailers but do not never watch tv-spots. it is a fact that they show to much good scenes from action scenes to the twists.

[Phaser]

watch the trailers but do not never watch tv-spots. it is a fact that they show to much good scenes from action scenes to the twists.

But that's what the "general audience" who're getting detracted from the film because of the "artsy" presentation want, don't they? And that's exactly what they'll get with the TV spots.

[Steelsheen]

well, at the risk of reopening old wounds...

of the causal fans i've been speaking with over the past few weeks the reason why they're not as hyped up is because of the guy who playes Supes. that's their number one reason. they feel that he just doesnt quite capture the imagination, even if he does resemble Reeve (some have said they dont like him because of this). to them, he doesnt quite make as much impact. i asked if its because they've been spoiled by the deluge of superhero flicks as of late, with big VFX and action sequences. cumulatively their response was this: this is SUPERMAN, he's the king of all superhero movies, they're thrilled there is even A movie. true that a lot of them are looking at the Donner movies for comparisson, but their level of expectations just isnt being met somehow. they know its not gonna be a 70s cheesy movie, but for some reason they feel its gonna be just another superhero movie. a lot of them have said that they dont feel like they did with Spiderman or Batman Begins. dont get them wrong, they're excited, its just that they're not THAT excited.

[Tim Drake]

I think the presentation is fine. Burton's Batman films had an artsy look too and they were GREAT.

King Kong has a very period-piece look too...but I think it's going to be amazing.

[dark_b]

well, at the risk of reopening old wounds...

of the causal fans i've been speaking with over the past few weeks the reason why they're not as hyped up is because of the guy who playes Supes. that's their number one reason. they feel that he just doesnt quite capture the imagination, even if he does resemble Reeve (some have said they dont like him because of this). to them, he doesnt quite make as much impact. i asked if its because they've been spoiled by the deluge of superhero flicks as of late, with big VFX and action sequences. cumulatively their response was this: this is SUPERMAN, he's the king of all superhero movies, they're thrilled there is even A movie. true that a lot of them are looking at the Donner movies for comparisson, but their level of expectations just isnt being met somehow. they know its not gonna be a 70s cheesy movie, but for some reason they feel its gonna be just another superhero movie. a lot of them have said that they dont feel like they did with Spiderman or Batman Begins. dont get them wrong, they're excited, its just that they're not THAT excited.what do you think people thought about batman begins in december?????'
think about it.:o

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

actully no..I think the movie going public are craving for movies with a more...artsy feeling to it..just look at bond.

[Monstera]

you folks spend way too much goddamn time obsessing over this movie and what its legacy is going to be to cinema and pop culture. this from an incredibly nerdy Superman fan.

[Showtime]

I think the reason Superman Returns is going to appeal both to the mass general audience and to hardcore fans is because it's going to be well balanced. From what we know/I know there is going to be a myriad of emotions that this film will convey. We aren't only going to see action, we are going to see drama and a little romance. I think what Singer is doing is setting up the audience to actually feel for these characters first and formost. This is what any good storyteller does first, and the story is first and foremost Singer's.

Returns is laying the foundation for a new saga in the story of Superman. The audience needs to feel the emotions of the characters. They need to feel Lois' anger towards Superman for leaving. The people's indifference to Superman's return. Superman's sadness when finding out that the people and Lois don't really need him anymore. This story is built on emotions and hopefully will deliver in every aspect.

[Showtime]

you folks spend way too much goddamn time obsessing over this movie and what its legacy is going to be to cinema and pop culture. this from an incredibly nerdy Superman fan.

It's called debating...it's refereshing to debate the reaction of the general public. It's better than debating the reaction of the incredibly nerdy Superman fans.

[Monstera]

It's called debating...it's refereshing to debate the reaction of the general public. It's better than debating the reaction of the incredibly nerdy Superman fans.


lol "refreshing debate." yeah, this is some Superman alumni thinktank stuff right here. :up: and we're definitely discussing the reaction of "the general public" and not at all the overreactions of incredibly nerdy Superman fans in this here topic.

[Showtime]

lol "refreshing debate." yeah, this is some Superman alumni thinktank stuff right here. :up: and we're definitely discussing the reaction of "the general public" and not at all the overreactions of incredibly nerdy Superman fans in this here topic.

That is "supposed" to be the theme of the thread...not my fault if nerdy Superman fans are dousing that proposed theme.

[Steelsheen]

what do you think people thought about batman begins in december?????'
think about it.:o


huh? BB was released in June :confused:

it was Batman Returns that was released during Christmas time.

and last i know, everybody was fine with that.

[Showtime]

huh? BB was released in June :confused:

it was Batman Returns that was released during Christmas time.

and last i know, everybody was fine with that.

I think db means that it is early and there was also backlash during early production of Batman Begins. He'd have to verify though.

[Fatboy Roberts]

yeah, this is some Superman alumni thinktank stuff right here.

That was funny :)

Monstera's got a point--I've never really understood why fans don't simply worry about whether the movie has to work for them--they have to try and predict why and how the movie will or will not work for everyone else. When I watch a movie, I don't give a CRAP if anyone else is really digging it or not. There's plenty of movies that made 20 mil or less at the box office in my collection. But it doesn't mean I didn't like mine any less, and I'm not concerned with why they didn't.

[Showtime]

That was funny :)

Monstera's got a point--I've never really understood why fans don't simply worry about whether the movie has to work for them--they have to try and predict why and how the movie will or will not work for everyone else. When I watch a movie, I don't give a CRAP if anyone else is really digging it or not. There's plenty of movies that made 20 mil or less at the box office in my collection. But it doesn't mean I didn't like mine any less, and I'm not concerned with why they didn't.

I wouldn't say that I am concerned about how they will feel about the movie I am only curious as to the reaction, almost like an experiment. I always go into a movie and come out with my own reaction. I don't pay attention to the critics reaction or the general audiences reaction when contemplating my own. I just like to see and hear different viewpoints other than my own from a variety of sources.

[Fatboy Roberts]

I getcha, but at the same time, like I said to JC--the premise is flawed. I don't think the general audience considers the Superman shots from the trailer to be especially "arty" in the first place. It's a SUPERMAN movie. And if they do? Meh. I find this generally ends up concerning people who treat films like sports teams in the first place, and I'm not one of those--using my film as a stick to beat up you and your film, bragging about box office reciepts as if I had a hand in making the movie, real foam-finger stuff. I'd rather just dig the movie on it's own merits and be happy with that if it's good.

[dark_b]

huh? BB was released in June :confused:

it was Batman Returns that was released during Christmas time.

and last i know, everybody was fine with that.my bad. read showtimes post.

sorry :up:

[dark_b]

i agree with fatboy. i like how he thinks. some of you really have problems.

sorry but this is how it is.

[Showtime]

I getcha, but at the same time, like I said to JC--the premise is flawed. I don't think the general audience considers the Superman shots from the trailer to be especially "arty" in the first place. It's a SUPERMAN movie. And if they do? Meh. I find this generally ends up concerning people who treat films like sports teams in the first place, and I'm not one of those--using my film as a stick to beat up you and your film, bragging about box office reciepts as if I had a hand in making the movie, real foam-finger stuff. I'd rather just dig the movie on it's own merits and be happy with that if it's good.

Thats the problem....everything is based on the bottom line. There are so many movies that make huge money that are flawed from all angles. I enjoy so many of those "little" movies, and most of them are my favorites.

[J.K]

Until trailers start appearing on TV, the general public will not consider seeing this film.

[Steelsheen]

true, public opinion can change drastically in the next 6 1/2 months.

[Excel]

were people scared of batman?


c'mon,this is no sky captain.

[J.K]

c'mon,this is no sky captain.That's funny, because i've often heard people on this board refer to this movie's style as Sky Captain-like.

[sf2]

were people scared of batman?


c'mon,this is no sky captain.
nice reminder in your sig.

however...

people are forgetful. :D

[kakashi]

The problem with the teaser is not the 'artsy' feels to it, rather that people may took the movie as just another re telling of Superman origin story.

Lois and Clark...Smallville.It has been done before.The teaser didn't really show us much of anything about the movie,it didn't show people that this is going to be a different Superman movie.

Even BB teaser showed us that it's going to be a different Batman movie than all the previous ones.That got people excited.

But hey...hopefully the full trailer will turn things around.

[dark_b]

The problem with the teaser is not the 'artsy' feels to it, rather that people may took the movie as just another re telling of Superman origin story.

Lois and Clark...Smallville.It has been done before.The teaser didn't really show us much of anything about the movie,it didn't show people that this is going to be a different Superman movie.

Even BB teaser showed us that it's going to be a different Batman movie than all the previous ones.That got people excited.

But hey...hopefully the full trailer will turn things around.in januar comes another teaser online. than we have a superbowl trailer and two theatrical trailers.

its december :up::)

[son of jorel]

I dont think they will be scared off.

Audiences are more intelligent than studios give them credit for (and its shown recently with movies like Sin City)

As long as its not all style and no story it will be fine. It reminds me of Batman 89 in a way another very artsy production and that done fantastic box office

[Axl Van Sixx]

That was funny :)

Monstera's got a point--I've never really understood why fans don't simply worry about whether the movie has to work for them--they have to try and predict why and how the movie will or will not work for everyone else. When I watch a movie, I don't give a CRAP if anyone else is really digging it or not. There's plenty of movies that made 20 mil or less at the box office in my collection. But it doesn't mean I didn't like mine any less, and I'm not concerned with why they didn't.

I think the main reason why everybody here is concerned about box office take and stuff can be expressed in two words: sequel potential. If people really like a movie, and it gets big box office, then sequels are assured, which is what most fans want.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I'd rather have a great Superman film that stands a lone without future sequels than a below average popcorn flick that spawns yawnfest sequels... MEH

[Matt]

There is a good chance it'll happen. The general public will quite possibly react badly to it. It is a decent possibility. Moreso of one than many here want to accept. Especially with a just as if not more so anticipated, better timed, better momentum, summer block buster that did not take an artsy approach coming out a week after SR.

[Cinemaman]

If this movie is really good,

For fans this movie will be great.

For haters it will be bad.

For kids it will be just cool.

For teenagers it will be good.

For grown people it will be also good.

[Cinemaman]

There is a good chance it'll happen. The general public will quite possibly react badly to it. It is a decent possibility. Moreso of one than many here want to accept. Especially with a just as if not more so anticipated, better timed, better momentum, summer block buster that did not take an artsy approach coming out a week after SR.

You are hater, right?

You like to bash SR, so you are hater.

Thats all what I think about you.

[dark_b]

I'd rather have a great Superman film that stands a lone without future sequels than a below average popcorn flick that spawns yawnfest sequels... MEHi like that post. while a lot of fans are now scared if this movie will make enough money for the sequels i think about this movie first. if this movie is so good than the sequels will come.

[DorkyFresh]

There is a good chance it'll happen. The general public will quite possibly react badly to it. It is a decent possibility. Moreso of one than many here want to accept. Especially with a just as if not more so anticipated, better timed, better momentum, summer block buster that did not take an artsy approach coming out a week after SR.

do us a favor. lay off the...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/haterade.jpg

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

There is a good chance it'll happen. The general public will quite possibly react badly to it. It is a decent possibility. Moreso of one than many here want to accept. Especially with a just as if not more so anticipated, better timed, better momentum, summer block buster that did not take an artsy approach coming out a week after SR.

I wouldnt be so sure. The fact that you are cutting SR short like that illustrates a lack of forseeability. Comic book movies in general have done well at the Box Office over the years (consider Spider-Man, Spider-Man II, X2, Batman Begins) and there is a good possibility that SR will also make a solid impact at the box office as well. Maybe not a phenomenal impact, but a memorable one, nonetheless.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

do us a favor. lay off the...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/haterade.jpg

A lot of people around here need to lay off that... :rolleyes:

[DorkyFresh]

the thing about Superman is.....the original movie was a classic, so Superman is more than just a comic book movie. to a lot of people, Superman is a pop icon of American culture...so a lot of the general audience who's gonna go see Superman won't be thinking "great, another comic book flick" they'll be thinking "ooooo! the long awaited sequel to the movies i grew up with as a child!"

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

the thing about Superman is.....the original movie was a classic, so Superman is more than just a comic book movie. to a lot of people, Superman is a pop icon of American culture...so a lot of the general audience who's gonna go see Superman won't be thinking "great, another comic book flick" they'll be thinking "ooooo! the long awaited sequel to the movies i grew up with as a child!"

Excluding Superman III and IV... I'm inclined to agree with you.

[Kane]

do us a favor. lay off the...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/haterade.jpg

lol nice.

[DogofKrypton]

do us a favor. lay off the...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/haterade.jpg

Yes, because Matt's post was just "dripping" with hate right?

You people are ridiculous.

[DorkyFresh]

no...but if you read Matt's last 50 posts, i'm sure you'll come the same conclusion ;)

[DogofKrypton]

no...but if you read Matt's last 50 posts, i'm sure you'll come the same conclusion ;)

I actually have, he doesn't like where the movie is heading. Big deal. He is not using childish pictures, smileys and thumbs-up when someone else says something negative. He posts his dis-likes in a calm, well thought out manner.

His opinion is different than yours. Deal with it.

[Kane]

If he did it in a calm, well thought out manner, he wouldnt have been warned and threatened with the prospect of being banned by one of the mods (2 days ago).

[DogofKrypton]

If he did it in a calm, well thought out manner, he wouldnt have been warned and threatened with the prospect of being banned by one of the mods (2 days ago).

Everyone gets heated every once in a while. I can see Matt getting kicked all around this board, look no further than this thread for proof. The "Usual Suspects" jump all over him at every chance, and it is not civil in the least.

His opinion is different than yours. Deal with it.

[DorkyFresh]

I actually have, he doesn't like where the movie is heading. Big deal. He is not using childish pictures, smileys and thumbs-up when someone else says something negative.
first off....since when has using pictures and smileys ever been considered CHILDISH??? the boards have these features for a reason.....SO WE CAN USE THEM. if you're gonna call me childish...be straight up about it.

He posts his dis-likes in a calm, well thought out manner.
calm? maybe. well thought out? i disagree....but that's just my opinion ;)

His opinion is diffrent than yours. Deal with it.
if there's anyone here making a big deal out of it....it's you. so since we're CLEARLY getting off topic, calm your @$$ down and have one of these...

http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/Chill%20Pill.png

[hitmanyr2k]

I think that general casual fans could be having trouble getting truly excited about SR because it doesn't look like any other comic book film to date. There is something different about the environment all together. It doesn't have that modern X-men look... It doesn't have that light hearted cartoonish Spidey look... It also doesn't have the grounded entirely in reality Batman look...

So from the footage we have seen, I think it's quite likely that people aren't reacting to the trailer positive or negative because it doesn't appear like anything we've seen. Everyone got used to a certain dynamic with hollywood superhero films in their look, but Singer is going in a new direction.

Honestly, when I see photos of various Superman sets I get a Batman Forever kind of vibe. That movie also had this surrealistic atmosphere and it looks like Superman is going in the same direction...only with a brighter tone instead of darkness and neon.

[DogofKrypton]

lol are you his boyfriend?





I do believe attacking someone's sexual preferences is a ban-able offense. Good job.

[Kane]

Who said I was attacking anything?

[DogofKrypton]

Who said I was attacking anything?

I'm done with you. Grow-up kid.

[DorkyFresh]

dogofkrypton.....let it go.....it's obvious you got more riled up over the "haterade" gif than he even did, so you're the one out of line. chill out...seriously. we're getting off topic and i don't want this thread closed because of it.

if HE has a problem with me then he can take it up with me. he's capable of fighting his own battles....you don't have to do it for him.

[DogofKrypton]

first off....since when has using pictures and smileys ever been considered CHILDISH??? the boards have these features for a reason.....SO WE CAN USE THEM. if you're gonna call me childish...be straight up about it.




if there's anyone here making a big deal out of it....it's you. so since we're CLEARLY getting off topic, calm your @$$ down and have one of these...

http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/Chill%20Pill.png

You are childish. Thanks for proving my point.

You all ARE unbelievable. So now, defending someone's right to dissent open's you up for ridicule?? Most of you should be thankful for the anonimity of the internet.....

[DorkyFresh]

You are childish. Thanks for proving my point.
i'm childish? you're the one who can't let go of this thing...i've already asked you twice and you still can't. me posting pictures is not a big deal.....people do it all the time. want proof? visit the manips thread...

i'm going to ask you once again...NICELY, and if you're so much more of an adult than i am...then you'll honor my wish. PLEASE, for the sake of the thread, drop it.

[Lightning54SC]

i will say this i honestly think Donner is controling singer here.... some how Donner is involved whether the WB or the Salkainds like it or not

[Matt]

Cheers Dog :up:

Anyway, this thread has only proven to show the maturity of certain posters. I did nothing wrong, I made a valid post on how the artsy approach could hurt the film with a more traditional blockbuster coming out a week later. You simply resorted to the "hater" defense. Well children, all that crap you were *****ing on in the civility thread works both ways, you've all been reported for trolling. Have a nice day :)

[Matt]

I wouldnt be so sure. The fact that you are cutting SR short like that illustrates a lack of forseeability. Comic book movies in general have done well at the Box Office over the years (consider Spider-Man, Spider-Man II, X2, Batman Begins) and there is a good possibility that SR will also make a solid impact at the box office as well. Maybe not a phenomenal impact, but a memorable one, nonetheless.

The thing is, most comic movies are not "artsy"...they are popcorn films...they are decent popcorn films...but popcorn films nne the less. Look at the one other comic film that took an artsy approach, the Hulk...and look what happened with that. It wasn't a bomb, but it wasn't a hit either.

[DorkyFresh]

Look at the one other comic film that took an artsy approach, the Hulk...and look what happened with that. It wasn't a bomb, but it wasn't a hit either.
Batman Begins took an artsy/film nior approach...look how succesful that was.

[Visionary]

The only thing I can think of, that the audience would be scared off by, is that the film follows/resembles too much of Supes 1 and 2. Almost like a BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, kind of thing. I hope not, but I'm looking at all of the images from this film and 90% of it, I've either seen on Smallville or in Supes 1 or 2, just with better effects.

[hitmanyr2k]

The thing is, most comic movies are not "artsy"...they are popcorn films...they are decent popcorn films...but popcorn films nne the less. Look at the one other comic film that took an artsy approach, the Hulk...and look what happened with that. It wasn't a bomb, but it wasn't a hit either.

The thing about Hulk is it was pretentiously artsy...an oscar bait film masquerading as a comic book movie. It was a slow, plodding drama with no likeable (or interesting) characters, not even a hint of comedy and the action had very little payoff.

I don't think Singer's Superman will even come close to Ang Lee's approach and that's a good thing.

[Matt]

Batman Begins took an artsy/film nior approach...look how succesful that was.

Batman Begins was not artsy. And its not as if it produced Spider-man numbers.

Wall Street Journal's latest estimate on this budget is 260 million. It needs Spider-man numbers.

[hitmanyr2k]

Batman Begins was not artsy.

Wall Street Journal's latest estimate on this budget is 260 million. It needs Spider-man numbers.

I agree. I would classify Batman Begins as more of a noirish film like The Crow. I don't consider noir and artsy to be the same thing.

[DorkyFresh]

Batman Begins was not artsy. And its not as if it produced Spider-man numbers.
batman begins had a very film noir feel to it.....film noir is artsy (artsy filmmakers often use film noir). either way, film noir and artsy are not typical superhero/action movie styles....but Batman Begins proved that different styles CAN be succesful in mainstream movies...

...besides, it's not as if Superman Returns is UBER artsy the way the Hulk was. from the footage we've seen so far, it looks like we'll be able to watch Superman Returns without thinking of the 60's/Fleischer influences.

also, i'm not concerned with numbers. i'm not talking about box office because B.O. doesn't determine the QUALITY of a movie. i'm talking about the general audience's reaction/expectations. the general consensus for BB was that it's a great movie.

[Visionary]

I agree. I would classify Batman Begins as more of a noirish film like The Crow. I don't consider noir and artsy to be the same thing.
Like The Crow, I wish?

[Kane]

Wall Street Journal's latest estimate on this budget is 260 million. It needs Spider-man numbers.

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFJjAx3NbQQ

Owned by Singer himself...

[Hunter Rider]

If by artistic you mean the stylised 40's esque sets and the cinematography then no
what could hurt it is if the vital kid/teen audience find saving planes and stopping earthquakes as their main action sequences boring

[Hunter Rider]

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFJjAx3NbQQ

Owned by Singer himself...

Because he wouldn't lie ?:confused:

[Kane]

I'd take his word over an 'idiot journalist' whos out of the loop.

[Hunter Rider]

I'd take his word over an 'idiot journalist' whos out of the loop.
Oh right,so the journo is an idiot because............?

[Kane]

Watch the clip.

[Hunter Rider]

Watch the clip.

Ah gotcha so it was Singer being a douche,ok my bad:)

[Kane]

Because Im sure a random on an internet messageboard knows more about the production than the actual director :rolleyes:

[Hunter Rider]

Because Im sure a random on an internet messageboard knows more about the production than the actual director :rolleyes:

Eh ? when did i say that:confused:

[Cinemaman]

I think SR have $185 budget.

I will rather believe director himself than just a magazine.

And I cant believe SR having $260m budget, it is impossible.

Also, some people says that it have $260 budget, only because they want it to get lower numbers. They don't like SR.

They will believe everything what is bad about SR.

[Kane]

Eh ? when did i say that


When you called him a douche. Youre not exactly in the best position to say that.

Besides, it seems like something so trivial, if the budget was that large..the Warners wouldnt be able to hide it (so there'd be no need to lie about it). I think what he said has alot of validity.

[Hunter Rider]

When you called him a douche. Youre not exactly in the best position to say that.

Besides, it seems like something so trivial, if the budget was that large..the Warners wouldnt be able to hide it (so there'd be no need to lie about it). I think what he said has alot of validity.

Him insulting the guy is a douche act,I wouldn't be at all surprised if Singer and co are covering themselves a bit in case the movie underperforms in this current BO climate

[Morg]

I do believe attacking someone's sexual preferences is a ban-able offense. Good job.


That wasn't bannable just a warning to Kane to debate nicely otherwise I will have to close this thread and deal with some of you

[DorkyFresh]

once again we're talking about box office instead of public opinion on the movie...

...box office has nothing to do with what an audience thinks of the movie AFTER they pay for it and see it.

[Cinemaman]

They badmouth everything there. Who cares..

But look at the link in my Sig, its from there....seemed positive.

They all are fans like I am.

But others cant imagine SR making more than even $250m.

[Matt]

I think SR have $185 budget.

I will rather believe director himself than just a magazine.

And I cant believe SR having $260m budget, it is impossible.

Also, some people says that it have $260 budget, only because they want it to get lower numbers. They don't like SR.

They will believe everything what is bad about SR.


Oh yes, the Wall Street Journal is just a "hater" who wants this movie to fail :rolleyes:

Factor in advertisment costs, it probably is close to 260 mill.

[C. Lee]

You are hater, right?

You like to bash SR, so you are hater.

Thats all what I think about you.
Just because someone doesn't like certain things about the movie...that is no reason to get into name calling. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion and express it.

[Cinemaman]

Oh yes, the Wall Street Journal is just a "hater" who wants this movie to fail :rolleyes:

Factor in advertisment costs, it probably is close to 260 mill.

I didn't say it. For me it is just magazine.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Batman Begins was not artsy. And its not as if it produced Spider-man numbers.

Wall Street Journal's latest estimate on this budget is 260 million. It needs Spider-man numbers.

Agreed.

[C. Lee]

do us a favor. lay off the...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/haterade.jpg
Do yourself a favor....lay off of the name calling and attacks on people with a different opinion than yours.

[Cinemaman]

Just because someone doesn't like certain things about the movie...that is no reason to get into name calling. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion and express it.

Yes, everyone have their opinion. But some people want only bad results from this movie. They are bashing it.

[Kane]

Him insulting the guy is a douche act,I wouldn't be at all surprised if Singer and co are covering themselves a bit in case the movie underperforms in this current BO climate

Wouldnt that make you a 'douche' for insulting Singer?

:confused:

And theres no way they could cover their asses if the budget was that expensive, since alot of WB's statements are made public.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Just because someone doesn't like certain things about the movie...that is no reason to get into name calling. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion and express it.



ever feel like your hitting a brick wall?

by repeating yourself i mean.. :o

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Just because someone doesn't like certain things about the movie...that is no reason to get into name calling. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion and express it.

As always Lee, right on the money :up:

[Cinemaman]

once again we're talking about box office instead of public opinion on the movie...

...box office has nothing to do with what an audience thinks of the movie AFTER they pay for it and see it.

Agreed.

[Matt]

cheers Lee, layeth the smack down

[Hunter Rider]

Wouldnt that make you a 'douche' for insulting Singer?

:confused:

And theres no way they could cover their asses if the budget was that expensive, since alot of WB's statements are made public.

No i said singer was being a douche for acting that way

And I never said it was that expensive but it may well be a lot more than Singer is claiming

[Matt]

A box office is a reflection of public opinion. If it does badly in box office, then clearly the public was not impressed enough by what they saw to see it.

[Cinemaman]

A box office is a reflection of public opinion. If it does badly in box office, then clearly the public was not impressed enough by what they saw to see it.

LOL! What about Fight Club? It was bomb, but people loved it.

And what about other dramatic movies?

[C. Lee]

Yes, everyone have their opinion. But some people want only bad results from this movie. They are bashing it.
People are allowed to give thier negative views and opinions on anything...as long as they do it civily.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^^

see what i ment Calvin..

:)

[Hunter Rider]

Just repsoting my first post in here that was actually on topic:)


If by artistic you mean the stylised 40's esque sets and the cinematography then no
what could hurt it is if the vital kid/teen audience find saving planes and stopping earthquakes as their main action sequences boring

[Kane]

LOL! What about Fight Club? It was bomb, but people loved it.


Fight Club was amazing.

[C. Lee]

Wouldnt that make you a 'douche' for insulting Singer?

:confused:

And theres no way they could cover their asses if the budget was that expensive, since alot of WB's statements are made public.
Unless he is actually a feminine hygene product, then there is no need for anyone to use the term.

Name calling by anyone is uncalled for.

[Cinemaman]

People are allowed to give thier negative views and opinions on anything...as long as they do it civily.

So I can go to X3 boards and say that X3 will suck? :)

[C. Lee]

ever feel like your hitting a brick wall?

by repeating yourself i mean.. :o
Every

freakin'

day.

[Hunter Rider]

So I can go to X3 boards and say that X3 will suck? :)

that's not civilhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Every

freakin'

day.



I don't envy you.

:(

[Cinemaman]

that's not civilhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

Ok, I can go to them and say that their movie can bomb in box office big TIMES!

[Kane]

Unless he is actually a feminine hygene product, then there is no need for anyone to use the term.

Name calling by anyone is uncalled for.

Hey I was just making an observation based on his statement.

Didnt actually call him one.

[C. Lee]

So I can go to X3 boards and say that X3 will suck? :)
Do you REALLY think that saying something will "SUCK" is being civil?

PEOPLE....PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR BUTTS AND LOOK AROUND. YOU WHINE AND MOAN THAT SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING BAD ABOUT YOUR MOVIE....AND THEN TRAMPLE OVER TOP OF EACH OTHER TO GO DO THE SAME THING TO OTHERS FIRST......

[Matt]

So I can go to X3 boards and say that X3 will suck? :)

Yes, if you do so in a civil nature.

[C. Lee]

Ok, I can go to them and say that their movie can bomb in box office big TIMES!
Please...please...go and do that....please for the sake of all mankind....go and troll another board......please make my day end today a happy one....

[Hunter Rider]

Ok, I can go to them and say that their movie can bomb in box office big TIMES!

if you want but you may be wise to hold off on that:)

[Cinemaman]

if you want but you may be wise to hold off on that:)

I just cant understand one thing. Why all people can bash SR, but we cant.

Why????

[Hunter Rider]

I just cant understand one thing. Why all people can bash SR, but we cant.

Why????

You can go bash X3 if you want,C Lee just said to do it

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

were making C lee angry...we wont like him when he's angry..


incidently the series is being released on dvd.. yay

[Cinemaman]

You can go bash X3 if you want,C Lee just said to do it

And what then? I will get ban? Yes. But they may not get it.

[DogofKrypton]

I just cant understand one thing. Why all people can bash SR, but we cant.

Why????

I do believe C. Lee pointed out that saying something negative about the movie is not "bashing" it. Some of you really take things, about a film you had no part in making, too personal.

[Hunter Rider]

And what then? I will get ban? Yes. But they may not get it.

No i doubt you'll be banned if you put your point intelligently and civilly i.e avoiding words like sucks and trying to deliver your post objectively

[Matt]

were making C lee angry...we wont like him when he's angry..


incidently the series is being released on dvd.. yay

NO WAY! WHEN!?!? I have a theory, that if I watch random clips out of context, it will be hillarious, like the Walker Texas Ranger lever. I was playing TV Scene It the other day, and they had a clip from the Hulk TV show...Hulk was running in slow motion and throwing a guy in slow motion, then out of no where some old Asian farmer gasped in slow motion. I couldn't help but crack up.

[Cinemaman]

No i doubt you'll be banned if you put your point intelligently and civilly i.e avoiding words like sucks and trying to deliver your post objectively

Ok. Tomorrow X3 boards will meet me :)

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

NO WAY! WHEN!?!? I have a theory, that if I watch random clips out of context, it will be hillarious, like the Walker Texas Ranger lever. I was playing TV Scene It the other day, and they had a clip from the Hulk TV show...Hulk was running in slow motion and throwing a guy in slow motion, then out of no where some old Asian farmer gasped in slow motion. I couldn't help but crack up.


i can help you..

with both HULK and walker texas ranger.

http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/3-/1009287/-/Product.html

HULK

walker

http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/3-/918098/-/Product.html

[C. Lee]

Ok. Tomorrow X3 boards will meet me :)
And if you step out of line...you will be in trouble. Choose your words very carefully.

You do not want them coming over here and bad mouthing Superman....so the best way to do that is NOT GO OVER THERE AND BADMOUTH THE XMEN....is that so freakin' hard to understand!!!!!!!!!!

[Kane]

Meh. Theres enough people badmouthing x3 down there. Dont waste your time.

Pointless.

[Cinemaman]

And if you step out of line...you will be in trouble. Choose your words very carefully.

You do not want them coming over here and bad mouthing Superman....so the best way to do that is NOT GO OVER THERE AND BADMOUTH THE XMEN....is that so freakin' hard to understand!!!!!!!!!!

Ok. Honestly I think X3 will do well opening weekend, but then it will loose legs.

I rather think X3 will get bad WOM, so that is why it will not make even $200m.

[Cinemaman]

Meh. Theres enough people badmouthing x3 down there. Dont waste your time.

Pointless.

Really? And what about SR? Go to Misc. Films boards and you will see how people dont like SR.

[Nightwing1977]

Batman Begins was not artsy. And its not as if it produced Spider-man numbers.

Wall Street Journal's latest estimate on this budget is 260 million. It needs Spider-man numbers.

Wrong! BB was artsy. After all, it was directed by Nolan & he's known for making artsy films. Beside, if it doesn't feel like a comic book movies (like F4 or Batman & Robin), then it artsy. And why did it need to make Spider-Man's numbers. A comic book movies don't need to make Spider-Man's numbers to be good. :rolleyes:

[Kane]

Really? And what about SR? Go to Misc. Films boards and you will see how people dont like SR.

They badmouth everything there. Who cares..

But look at the link in my Sig, its from there....seemed positive.

[Hunter Rider]

Really? And what about SR? Go to Misc. Films boards and you will see how people dont like SR.

that's not a crime cine

[DogofKrypton]

that's not a crime cine

Some of you really take things, about a film you had no part in making, too personal. Case in point....

[Matt]

Really? And what about SR? Go to Misc. Films boards and you will see how people dont like SR.

Maybe that is an indication of how the public (ie not fans who hang around Superman forums all day) is reacting to it.

[Hunter Rider]

Some of you really take things, about a film you had no part in making, too personal. Case in point....

:confused:

[C. Lee]

Really? And what about SR? Go to Misc. Films boards and you will see how people dont like SR.
They are ALLOWED to do that....they are not coming into the Superman forums and bashing it.....geeze.

[Matt]

They are ALLOWED to do that....they are not coming into the Superman forums and bashing it.....geeze.

And so what if they are? This is a Superman FORUM...forum as in "a public meeting place for open discussion" according to Webster. No one is breaking rules by bad mouthing a movie as Cinemaman seems to be implying.

[DorkyFresh]

Wrong! BB was artsy. After all, it was directed by Nolan & he's known for making artsy films.

yup...it's simple. film noir, artsy, indie, foreign....they all have one thing in common......they're not Hollywoodized. and since Batman Begins was very film noir (so was Minority Report and a lot of people loved that movie) then it goes to show that the general public CAN like a big budget Hollywood movie with heavy film noir/artsy influence if done the right way.

[DogofKrypton]

:confused:

Not you, the person you were referring to. You shouldn't have to tell him not everyone has to like everything he does.

[Hunter Rider]

Not you, the person you were referring to. You shouldn't have to tell him not everyone has to like everything he does.

Oh right.my mistake,i thought you were aluding to the use of the word crime in my post

[Matt]

i can help you..

with both HULK and walker texas ranger.

http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/3-/1009287/-/Product.html

HULK

walker

http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/3-/918098/-/Product.html

droooooool

[Hunter Rider]

yup...it's simple. film noir, artsy, indie, foreign....they all have one thing in common......they're not Hollywoodized. and since Batman Begins was very film noir (so was Minority Report and a lot of people loved that movie) then it goes to show that the general public, if done the right way, CAN like a big budget Hollywood movie with heavy film noir/artsy influence.

Noir and artsy aren't really the same thing,i would say the Matrix,MR,SR and BB were stylised.

[C. Lee]

And so what if they are? This is a Superman FORUM...forum as in "a public meeting place for open discussion" according to Webster. No one is breaking rules by bad mouthing a movie as Cinemaman seems to be implying.
Matt....I am getting very tired of this.....do I really have to explain every hour of the day the difference between expressing a negative opinion and trolling?

Check my posts....I have said thousands of times.....NEGATIVE OPIONIONS ARE ALLOWED....OPINIONS DIFFERENT FROM THE MAJORITY ARE ALLOWED!!!!!

What I keep having to remind people of also is....DO NOT TROLL....DO NOT NAME CALL....DO NOT JUST SAY IT WILL SUCK.....DO NOT SAY IT WILL DO BAD JUST BECAUSE YOU SUPPORT ANOTHER FILM OR CHARACTER OR COMPANY.....

IS THAT SO FREAKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND....I THOUGHT SOME OF YOU GUYS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SMART....SOME OF YOU ARE SURE DOING YOUR BEST TO DISPROVE THAT NOTION.

[Matt]

Matt....I am getting very tired of this.....do I really have to explain every hour of the day the difference between expressing a negative opinion and trolling?

Check my posts....I have said thousands of times.....NEGATIVE OPIONIONS ARE ALLOWED....OPINIONS DIFFERENT FROM THE MAJORITY ARE ALLOWED!!!!!

What I keep having to remind people of also is....DO NOT TROLL....DO NOT NAME CALL....DO NOT JUST SAY IT WILL SUCK.....DO NOT SAY IT WILL DO BAD JUST BECAUSE YOU SUPPORT ANOTHER FILM OR CHARACTER OR COMPANY.....

IS THAT SO FREAKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND....I THOUGHT SOME OF YOU GUYS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SMART....SOME OF YOU ARE SURE DOING YOUR BEST TO DISPROVE THAT NOTION.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was trying to express a point to Cinemaman.

[DorkyFresh]

Noir and artsy aren't really the same thing,i would say the Matrix,MR,SR and BB were stylised.

they're not the same thing but as i said....they fall under the category of "unHollywoodized movies".

also...throughout the special features of Minority Report and Batman Begins the filmmakers and everyone involved kept saying the words "film noir" to describe how they felt. so yes....they're stylized to feel film noir-ish. the same way Superman's stylized to feel art deco-ish.

[The Kid]

Noir and artsy aren't really the same thing,i would say the Matrix,MR,SR and BB were stylised.

Noir is a hollywood genre if I recall correctly... wait... nope, it's a style not a genre... oops. you're right.

[DorkyFresh]

Noir is a hollywood genre if I recall correctly...
noir COULD be called a hollywood genre, but it's old hollywood (30's to 60's).

the definition of what's Hollywood and what's not has changed over the years...but you don't see many Hollywood films now-a-days that are also film noir.

[Kane]

I thought Begins was in a more realistic style as opposed to Noir. I thought Burton and BTAS were definately noir.

[hitmanyr2k]

Like The Crow, I wish?

Well, I doubt we're ever going to see a Batman movie as dark as The Crow...definitely not a rated "R" Batman movie anyway. It would be nice though.

[hitmanyr2k]

I thought Begins was in a more realistic style as opposed to Noir. I thought Burton and BTAS were definately noir.

Batman was a realistic kind of "noir" film. Noir by its very definition is showing hard, cynical type of characters in an uncaring, crime infested world. If that doesn't describe Batman Begins I don't know what does.

[Visionary]

Well, I doubt we're ever going to see a Batman movie as dark as The Crow...definitely not a rated "R" Batman movie anyway. It would be nice though.
Yes, yes it would.

[Hunter Rider]

they're not the same thing but as i said....they fall under the category of "unHollywoodized movies".

also...throughout the special features of Minority Report and Batman Begins the filmmakers and everyone involved kept saying the words "film noir" to describe how they felt. so yes....they're stylized to feel film noir-ish. the same way Superman's stylized to feel art deco-ish.

Agreed:up: as i said i don't think the look will be an issue at all

[BatJeff7786]

After the General public gave huge opening weekends to "Scary Movie 4" and "RV", I can totally see them not going to a "quality" movie.

[Cinemaman]

They badmouth everything there. Who cares..

But look at the link in my Sig, its from there....seemed positive.

They all are fans, like I am.

[Cinemaman]

that's not a crime cine

LOL:up:

Koza Nostra 4ever :D

[Cinemaman]

I thought Begins was in a more realistic style as opposed to Noir. I thought Burton and BTAS were definately noir.

BB was more realistic, because it should be so. Batman is realistic hero and thats all.

SR should be epic fantastic movie. If it was realistic, it would be really bad for Super.

Superman and Batman are DIFFERENT HEROES!

[Nivek]

After the General public gave huge opening weekends to "Scary Movie 4" and "RV", I can totally see them not going to a "quality" movie.

So damn true.

[Cinemaman]

I want to say one thing. Some people think that SR looks like next STM, full copy.

But if you look at POTC2 posters and trailers, you will find that there is no difference with POTC.

So POTC2 is also full copy for POTC.

[Nivek]

Dead Mans Chest looks interesting, but it's obviously being marketed toward teen girls (Bloom and Depp double bang. I hope it's an entertaining film, but I doubt it's going to be something special.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

So POTC2 is also full copy for POTC.

Yeah... that's absolultely correct :rolleyes:

[Cinemaman]

Yeah... that's absolultely correct :rolleyes:

Very funny :rolleyes:

I am serious, POTC2 looks like next POTC without anything special or really new.

[DogofKrypton]

Very funny :rolleyes:

I am serious, POTC2 looks like next POTC without anything special or really new.

Do you really know anything, anything at all, about what the new movie is about? I think if you did, you would see how odd your statement is, considering your over-reaction to negative things said about Superman Returns.

POTC 2 is going to be a fun movie. I'm a much bigger Superman fan, and I can't wait for that flick to come out.

[Cinemaman]

Do you really know anything, anything at all, about what the new movie is about? I think if you did, you would see how odd your statement is, considering your over-reaction to negative things said about Superman Returns.

POTC 2 is going to be a fun movie. I'm a much bigger Superman fan, and I can't wait for that flick to come out.

Look, I am not only Super-fan, but also POTC-fan.

And I know all spoilers about POTC2. But I want to say that POTC2 itself (marketing) looks like copy of POTC.

Just look at posters, there is almost no difference between POTC and POTC2 posters.

I want to say that there will not be anything really new for me.

Jack have already been dead in 1st movie, Davy Jones looks like next Barbosa (but honestly, Jones looks amazing :up: ), love story and etc.

[DogofKrypton]

Look, I am not only Super-fan, but also POTC-fan.

And I know all spoilers about POTC2. But I want to say that POTC2 itself (marketing) looks like copy of POTC.

Just look at posters, there is almost no difference between POTC and POTC2 posters.

I want to say that there will not be anything really new for me.



I hope you realize, that if the marketing worked well the first time, there would be no reason to change it. If someone can see a poster and it is what they expect a POTC poster to look like, there is no confusion. The old adage "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes into play here.

[Cinemaman]

I hope you realize, that if the marketing worked well the first time, there would be no reason to change it. If someone can see a poster and it is what they expect a POTC poster to look like, there is no confusion. The old adage "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes into play here.

I think there should be something new in marketing, because it is boring to see again and again one and only one.

[DogofKrypton]

I think there should be something new in marketing, because it is boring to see again and again one and only one.

That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. But the studios don't think about boring. They think about dollars, and familiarity goes a long way with moviegoers.

[Cinemaman]

That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. But the studios don't think about boring. They think about dollars, and familiarity goes a long way with moviegoers.

Honestly, I will agree with this post.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I guess the latest marketing has eliminated this as a problem. Though we know it will still be an artsy (in a good way) film :o