DC Comics Character Tournament

[XwolverineX]

Nightwing, no contest.

[incubat]

nightwing

[Hellstormer]

Catman

[trustyside-kick]

Nightwing

[XwolverineX]

I'm gonna go with Catman on this one. Nightwings agile and all, but agility doesn't equate fighting ability. He's good, but when it comes down to it, he's no Batman. Supposedly Catman is Bat's equal, or at least was when they originally fought. Not sure where Catman stands in the top ten of martial artists in the DCU, but wherever he is, h'e probally better than Dick.


Where did you hear this, Catman on Batman's level? No way.

[Lex Luthor]

Nightwing.

[Anubis]

Where did you hear this, Catman on Batman's level? No way.

When he was first created he was to be Batman's equal. He and Batman fought and stalemated. Of course he fell on hard times after that, and held on to that like, Sue Richards and her Hulk win. Now that he's gotten his s**t together, he's a lot more focused, probally better than what he used to be, which apparently was something. Of course, Bat's has gotten better since then.

[Hellstormer]

Where did you hear this, Catman on Batman's level? No way.
Trust me he's Batman's equal. Like Anubis said he use to stalemate Batman and now he's even more focussed and brutal he is definately on par with Batman excpet in the prep time catagory. Catman's more of a stratageist like Capt. America.

[Red]

I'll let this run a little while longer, before doing a new match up.

[Hellstormer]

I'll let this run a little while longer, before doing a new match up.
You should efinately do the Batman one I sent you ;):up:

[ToddIsDead]

I'm going to go with Catman on this.

[James_Bond]

I'm gonna go right ahead and say catman would pretty much own this one.



*goes back to watching new Casino Royale trailer* :cool:

[incubat]

how's the trailer?

[trustyside-kick]

When he was first created he was to be Batman's equal. He and Batman fought and stalemated. Of course he fell on hard times after that, and held on to that like, Sue Richards and her Hulk win. Now that he's gotten his s**t together, he's a lot more focused, probally better than what he used to be, which apparently was something. Of course, Bat's has gotten better since then.

You are kinda forgetting something important:Wasn't that the old Catman? As in, in the Golden/Silver (I forget, sorry) Age. This is a whole different Catman. He has not made an appearance of him being Batman's equal. Sure, the guy is a badass cause of Villains United and I know he is amazing but Nightwing has so much more talent and experience. And yes, the agility makes him a whole lot more deadly.

[Harlekin]

Uhm, no, they're the same guy, and he's fought Batman during the 80s as well, hardly Silver Age.

[trustyside-kick]

Uhm, no, they're the same guy, and he's fought Batman during the 80s as well, hardly Silver Age.

But that is before Crisis on Infinite Earths isn't it?

[incubat]

nightwing is cool

[Harlekin]

But that is before Crisis on Infinite Earths isn't it?
No. He was redone in the 80s, and then went into obscurity, became the loser in Green Arrow, and now is back at proper badassity.

[incubat]

i remember him being a loser, that's right after green arrow was revived

[trustyside-kick]

No. He was redone in the 80s, and then went into obscurity, became the loser in Green Arrow, and now is back at proper badassity.

I know about all of that. But I just thought his appearance in the 80s when he fought Batman was before Crisis on Infinite Earths. Not way before but before.

[Harlekin]

I'm pretty sure it was in the late 80s, so after the Crisis.

[trustyside-kick]

I'm pretty sure it was in the late 80s, so after the Crisis.

Well I would still vote for Nightwing:

- Catman for so long was just a petty villain mocked by other villains afterall. He was overweight...think about all that time he wasn't training. So his fighting skills went down.

- Nightwing on the other hand has been training since childhood and his agility really does give him an edge.

- Even with Catman back as a badass he is probably only as good as he was before...you don't not train for years and when you finally do become so much better than he used to. I would say he is as good as he was before.

Basically, Catman is a badass and all but basically back to his old self. I don't think he has progressed like Bruce has. People use the example of them used to be equals but they seem to forget the time gap when Catman sucked. Nightwing has been training more.

[incubat]

how about catman vs todd?

[trustyside-kick]

how about catman vs todd?

Todd would win. When he came back as the Red Hood he was basically equal to Bruce when they fought. I dout Catman is on par with Bruce now or that recent.

[incubat]

hmm...maybe

but a lot of people is saying that they're equal, so it might make an interesting match

[trustyside-kick]

hmm...maybe

but a lot of people is saying that they're equal, so it might make an interesting match

"They" as in Batman and Catman? That was a long time ago. Think about all that time Catman became crappy and didn't train and got fat while Bruce continued to train. No way are they still equal.

[incubat]

yeah i meant batman and catman, and i know how you think about it, but not everybody thinks like that, so that's why i think it'd be an intersting match

[batkid101]

Nightwing:bat:

[Anubis]

"They" as in Batman and Catman? That was a long time ago. Think about all that time Catman became crappy and didn't train and got fat while Bruce continued to train. No way are they still equal.

Yeah, but you're forgetting that after nearly getting killed by Mallah and the Brain, he got his s**t together. He trained, got himself in shape, and lived with a pride of lions for a year to get more brutal and beastial. He's definatly better than he was before. Jumping into crowds of super strong badguys like Captain Nazi and Fatality and actually holding his own. To say he just suddenly went from fat loser to badass is totally bogus. I'm not saying they're still equal, but i'm willing to believe he's improved a lot more from what he used to be, which at the time, was good enough to equal the Bat. We wont know for sure where he stands until they go at it again or he actually fights somebody with some serious Cred in the DC martial arts community. Like, Conner Hawke or Richard Dragon.

[incubat]

does that mean catman vs jason todd WOULD be an interesting match?

[Red]

I will put your suggestion up incubat, but for a little while. The current match involves Catman.

[Anubis]

does that mean catman vs jason todd WOULD be an interesting match?


It most defintly would.

[incubat]

I will put your suggestion up incubat, but for a little while. The current match involves Catman.

wuhu, thx red

[sinewave]

nightwing. i don't buy the idea that catman went from supposedly being batman's equal to a loser and then back again. he'd have already established himself substantially in the dcu by now if he was as good as everyone's trying to make him out to be. besides, everyone's knocking dick's fighting skills but isn't he one of the best fighters int he dcu? he took over for batman and has handled his own against deathstroke. that's a pretty good resume.

[3dman27]

how about a black canaryI vs black canary II matchup:ninja:

[CanaryFan]

how about a black canaryI vs black canary II matchup:ninja:

The mom had no canary cry, she stands no chance.

[Spike_x1]

I'm pretty sure it was in the late 80s, so after the Crisis.Even if it was before the Crisis, we know that it's still in continuity because they referenced it in Villains United.

[trustyside-kick]

Even if it was before the Crisis, we know that it's still in continuity because they referenced it in Villains United.

Good point. However, I'm still for Nightwing. :O

[Red]

11 - 5 in favor of Nightwing

Next match up soon.

[Red]

Green Arrow
http://www.zanaducomics.com/08dcaugust04/GreenArrowArchersQuestTP.jpg

VS

Mr. Freeze
http://home.comcast.net/~boogdog/mr-freeze.jpg

Please note the above picture should not be taken into consideration when voting.

[sinewave]

yikes, arnie!!!! i'll go with the emerald archer.

[trustyside-kick]

Ollie

[Hellstormer]

Mr. Freeze

[Vanguard07]

GA for sure.

[Spike_x1]

The Terminator

[Lobo]

http://www.comicart.cc/timm/freezeweb.jpg

[Silicon Surfer]

Green Arrow

[Anubis]

GA. The hero always comes out on top.

[Knives122]

What about that time when Darkseid put Supes into the source wall? The hero didn't come out on top that time.

But I'm voting for Ollie anyway :p

[Elisha Cuthbert]

Green. Arrow. :ninja:

[ToddIsDead]

Mr. Freeze

[LongDong]

Mr Freeze would own!! YESS YESSSS KILL THA HERROOOOOOEES YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Anubis]

What about that time when Darkseid put Supes into the source wall? The hero didn't come out on top that time.

But I'm voting for Ollie anyway :p

What was that an Elseworlds or something? If it wasn't, he got out eventually right? And then, what about the time Supes put Darkseid into the Source Wall? :p

[incubat]

ollie, he kicks ass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ9XLjPfyeE :woot:

[Knives122]

What was that an Elseworlds or something? If it wasn't, he got out eventually right? And then, what about the time Supes put Darkseid into the Source Wall? :p

Yeah but Superman had to take him out(b/c of the absolute power thing, where darkseid lets supes and bats travel through timelines) and then Darkseid put him in.(I think it happened in a superman issue)

[1987olds442]

Green Arrow

[1987olds442]

bump

[Red]

9 - 4 to Arrow, next match up soon.

[incubat]

how about silver swann vs black cannary

[Captian Marvelo]

9 - 4 to Arrow, next match up soon.

What's your definition of soon?:huh:

[Red]

how about silver swann vs black cannary

Silver Swan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/Vanessa_Kapatelis_SilverswanII.JPG

VS
BLACK CANRY
http://www.tdog-art.com/girlies/chicks%20thumbs/black%20canary%20thumb.jpg

[Silicon Surfer]

Silver Swan

[Lobo]

Silver Swan

(just as a future match suggestion I'd like to see Steel vs Cyborg from the Titans)

[trustyside-kick]

Black Canary

[XwolverineX]

Those are some fuugly pictures.

[Hellstormer]

Silver Swan

[1987olds442]

Silver Swan

[BrianWilly]

I could maybe see Dinah bustin' out some clever tactics to win this one, but 7 out of 10 I'd give it to Silver Swan. She takes on Wonder Woman all the time and sometimes even gets the upper hand; unfortunately, that's several classes above what Canary could do.

[incubat]

thanks for using my idea red:)

silver swan, allthough i believe it would be a very close match

(i have abother suggestion, nightwing vs jason todd)

[sinewave]

i know nothing about silver swan and all it says on her wikipedia page for powers is flight and a powerful sonic scream. i think dinah can take her.

black canary

[Anubis]

Silver Swan

[BatGuy63]

Black Canary

[Red]

8 - 3 to Swan

[Red]

Silver Swan

(just as a future match suggestion I'd like to see Steel vs Cyborg from the Titans)

STEEL
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Steel3_01.jpg
VS

CYBORG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Cyborg-gj.jpg

[sinewave]

Steel

[XwolverineX]

Old school Steel pic you got. But Steel is totally outclassed in this one. Cy.

[Hellstormer]

If it's old Steel then Cyborg
If it's the current Steel then Steel.

[1987olds442]

If it's old Steel then Cyborg
If it's the current Steel then Steel.Agreed :up:

[ToddIsDead]

If it's old Steel then Cyborg
If it's the current Steel then Steel.
Same here.

[Lobo]

Cyborg dont think it would be easy tho

[batnkevlar]

Steel is smarter... he can outwit Cyborg...

[trustyside-kick]

If it's old Steel then Cyborg
If it's the current Steel then Steel.

Yea.

[incubat]

If it's old Steel then Cyborg
If it's the current Steel then Steel.

i agree with that too

[Vanguard07]

I'll agree. Old Steel would get taken down, New Steel would murderize da bum.

[Sebastos]

Steel.

[Spike_x1]

Irons :up:

[Anubis]

Cyborg

[BatGuy63]

Steel

[Sloth7d]

Steel.

[3dman27]

vic

[Colossal Spoons]

Besides looking like Colossus, what can the new Steel do?

[Anubis]

He's still very smart and he's also very strong and durable.

[Spike_x1]

He can also melt stuff too now, can't he? I dunno, as I haven't been keeping up with 52 that much.

[Anubis]

I haven't seen him do any such thing.

[Spike_x1]

I thought he could superheat his body now, or something like that.

I could've sworn I saw it when I was flipping through an issue of 52, and it's also in his bio on wikipedia.

[Anubis]

I don't know. I haven't seen anything like that. Maybe he did something when he first started transforming. I don't remember. I'll have to go check.

[1987olds442]

He can super heat his body and create some kind of projectiles as well. He was going to drip hot metal on Luthors face before Nat stopped him then they fought and he shot a projectile at her during the fight. He also seems to be able to absorb metal as well.

[Red]

4 - 10 to Steel

Next match up soon.

[Red]

AQUAMAN
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/Ross_Aquaman.jpg

VS

BANE
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/37/Bane_dc.jpg

[XwolverineX]

Aquaman

[trustyside-kick]

Aquaman

<___<....what? :ninja:

[ToddIsDead]

Aquaman

[Red]

Aquaman

[CanaryFan]

Aquaman

[1987olds442]

Aquaman

[Silicon Surfer]

Aquaman

[Hush]

Aquaman or ill be a dead man.

[Lobo]

Aquaman

[Kitsune]

I never cared much for mr. "My Aquatic Telepathy is no use here" but heck I'll vote for him over an overmucled drug addict any day. :D

[trustyside-kick]

I never cared much for mr. "My Aquatic Telepathy is no use here" but heck I'll vote for him over an overmucled drug addict any day. :D

His telepathy has expanded and can use it on humans and other organisms I believe.

[Hellstormer]

His telepathy has expanded and can use it on humans and other organisms I believe.
Yep he did that in the first couple issues of JLA '96.

Aquaman would dominate.

[incubat]

I think we shouldn't underestimate Bane here. He's a great strategist and has great strenght. But I still would vote for Aquaman. I mean, he IS the KING of 3/4 of Earth. I see this fight starting off with heavy punches from them both, and then Aquaman would gain advantage rather fast. Bane'd end up sleeping with the fish on this one. My vote: Aquaman

[Sloth7d]

I'll vote Bane just because I think Aquaman is lame.
My vote:Bane

[CrypticOne]

Bane has my vote.

[Parker]

What's Bane going to do against a million great white sharks?

Aquaman.

[Silicon Surfer]

If he's on land,eat lots of Mahi Mahi.

[3dman27]

I never cared much for mr. "My Aquatic Telepathy is no use here" but heck I'll vote for him over an overmucled drug addict any day. :D
yeah besides ith's the ones you think CAN'T fight that might unwrap a few surprise packages:ninja:

[Spike_x1]

Bane's got nothin' on Orin. :cool:

[trustyside-kick]

I'll vote Bane just because I think Aquaman is lame.
My vote:Bane

I hate it when people vote based on those reasons. You aren't even considering how the fight can actually turn out. I am not saying you shouldn't vote for Bane but it is stupid when your reason is that you don't like the other guy.

[Hush]

I dont see how you can vote Bane I mean Aquaman has to be stronger than him. He has a strength level that is on par with MM and WW I would assume. If Bane came at him with a punch Orin would just stand there.

[yenaled]

Aquaman.

[Sebastos]

Edit

[Red]

If he's on land,eat lots of Mahi Mahi.

Its on land.

[sinewave]

aquaman

[BatGuy63]

Aquaman

[Anubis]

Aquaman easy. Even if this was on land, he's waaayy stronger than Bane.

[The Leaguer]

Aquaman will cover himself in blood and then there's no stopping him.

[sojazu]

Aquaman

[Vanguard07]

Aquaman for a million obvious reasons.

[LongDong]

Aquaman can lift a whole city block. His strength is far greater than Bane's. Aquaman swims the depths of the ocean. He could easily withstand a punch from Bane.

[XwolverineX]

Can we decide that Aquman would obviously win, and move on?

[Spike_x1]

Can we decide that Aquman would obviously win, and move on?I'm up for that. :up:

[Red]

23 - 3 to Aquaman

next match up soon.

[Red]

Darkseid
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/8051/darkseid.gif

VS

Doomsday
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/Doomsday.jpg

[sinewave]

Darkseid

[Sloth7d]

Doomsday.

[trustyside-kick]

Darkseid

[Lobo]

Darkseid

[1987olds442]

Darkseid

[sojazu]

Darkseid

[Spike_x1]

'Seid.

[LongDong]

Hmmmmmm, Doomsdsay killed Superman, Superman routinely beats Darkseid doesn't he?

I need to read up on them more before I decide

[Silicon Surfer]

Darkseid

[Knives122]

That's a bad picture of Darkseid, but I'm picking him anyway.

[Vanguard07]

Darkseid for sure. The omega effect would wipe doomsday out.

Superman only ever beats darkseid because of bad writing. If you looked at what Darkseid's ACTUAL abilities were you'd realize that Supes should never have stood much chance. (although i suppose it made sense for supes to win the one on the surface of the sun)

[LadyMoira]

It's a close call but I'm gonna give it to Darkseid.

[LongDong]

Darkseid for sure. The omega effect would wipe doomsday out.

Superman only ever beats darkseid because of bad writing. If you looked at what Darkseid's ACTUAL abilities were you'd realize that Supes should never have stood much chance. (although i suppose it made sense for supes to win the one on the surface of the sun)

"Darkseid is an incredibly powerful being with many god-like abilities. His main power is the Omega Effect, a form of energy that he fires from his eyes. This effect is not only a relentless attack, but it is capable of teleporting the target to any location Darkseid chooses and recall them later or erase the target from the universe and similarly reform them. Darkseid has pinpoint control over his Omega Beams, and his unerring aim allows it to travel in straight lines or bend, twist or curve around corners. The Effect can also pass through nearly any known barrier. In the three part Hunter/Prey storyline, he claimed that no being had yet withstood the full force of the Omega effect, but Doomsday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_%28comics%29) nonetheless survived the attack. Also, Superman has withstood a blast from the Omega Effect, but with severe pain and damage as a result.[issue # needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Comic_book_reference)] In DCAU Continuity, Batman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman) is the only being who has successfully evaded Darseid's Omage Beam (JLU-"Destroyer")."


"Although Darkseid had previously been written as a near-unbeatable and omnipotent foe, his recent characterizations have shown him to be somewhat powered down as a result of the more personal enmity his animated version has for Superman. While he still outstrips his animated counterpart in strength, speed and stamina, the level to which he has been reduced places him at comparable tier of power to the comic version of Superman. In one instance, his Omega Effect is deflected by Wonder Woman's bracelets, a feat that normally would have been impossible according to previous continuity. This power reduction may be due to events occurred during the Our Worlds at War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Worlds_at_War) storyline. It is explained that during these events Wonder Woman gained her revenge against Darkseid for killing half of Themyscira (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themyscira)'s population by placing a portion of her own soul into Darkseid."

Hmmmm, seeing that Doomsday withstood the Omega Beams before Darkseid was powered down in current continuity, I think now he stands a very good chance of beating him outright. Darkseid's genius might be the only thing that could save him, however I vote Doomsday.

[Sloth7d]

Darkseid for sure. The omega effect would wipe doomsday out.

Superman only ever beats darkseid because of bad writing. If you looked at what Darkseid's ACTUAL abilities were you'd realize that Supes should never have stood much chance. (although i suppose it made sense for supes to win the one on the surface of the sun)
Wow, thats interesting. I never heard of a superhero who only beats his own villains due to bad writing. I need to read up on Darkseid more.

[LongDong]

another quote from Wiki

"Eventually, after passing through a wormhole accidentally caused by an over-powered Superman, Doomsday's body was found by a deep-space scavenger ship that happened to be en route to Apokolips, the home of the evil Darkseid. Doomsday fully revived and, after slaughtering the crew of the salvage ship, found himself on the harsh world. This was to be the setup for a final showdown between Doomsday and Superman (similarly resurrected, in the meantime), who had been uneasy about the possibility of Doomsday's resurrection. With the help of his JLA contacts, Superman procured a Mother box, a thinking computer, after Darkseid's servant Desaad contacted Earth about a problem on Apokolips. Unknown to Superman, Doomsday had faced and beaten Darkseid himself in single combat and was laying waste to Apokolips. Unfortunately, before Superman could deal with Doomsday, Desaad opened a boom tube to Calaton -- the first world where Doomsday was successfully defeated -- and sent Doomsday through to what he believed was his defeat at the hands of The Radiant. However, Doomsday is essentially able to adapt and overcome any opponent because of the process by which he was created (he was always stronger than he had been prior to his last death); so, although The Radiant had defeated him once, he would not be able to defeat him again. Likewise, even though Superman had killed Doomsday once before, he would be unable to do so again. Superman refused to heed this warning and allow Calaton to be destroyed. He fought Doomsday again with the help of the mother box, but, despite it providing him with extra weapons such as an ultrasonic gun and an energy sword, Superman met with defeat. He was forced to use one of Waverider's time travel devices to bring Doomsday to the one place where nothing can survive: the end of time."

[Vanguard07]

He wasnt originally a Superman villain though. Wasnt he written for the New Gods thing. He's an Orion villain.

Still I stand by my opinion that Darkseid's depowering in recent years is just bad writing. Originally his power levels were way higher than Supes'

[The Rocketeer]

Impulse
V.S.
Superboy
V.S.
Robin ( Tim Drake)
http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/set/4398/y3.gif

I choose impulse I think he is faster than superboy and definately Robin

[trustyside-kick]

Impulse
V.S.
Superboy
V.S.
Robin ( Tim Drake)
http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/set/4398/y3.gif

I choose impulse I think he is faster than superboy and definately Robin

You don't start your own rounds here. The person in charge is Red X. He makes the rounds.

[Sloth7d]

Beat me to it Trusty.

[Hellstormer]

Damn I wanted to tell him. I wish people would actually look around a bit before posting.

[trustyside-kick]

Not only that Hellstormer, but I wished people actually gave some thought before voting. So many times people would vote for who looked better or who they liked more without considering how the fight would go down.

[CrypticOne]

Darkseid
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/8051/darkseid.gif

VS

Doomsday
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/Doomsday.jpg

Doomsday has my vote.

[ToddIsDead]

Darkseid is an infintely better character, but I'll go with Doomsday.

[Hellstormer]

Doomsday, didn't he come from Apolokolips?

[Anubis]

I'm gonna go with Darksied.

[incubat]

i can't believe you people are voting so fast on this one, this one heck of a fight. true, darkseid kicks butts, but isn't doomsday unkillable? doomsday has killed superman while darkseid has only hurt him very much. i think i'm gonna have to go with doomsday, darkseid himself fears him

[trustyside-kick]

... but isn't doomsday unkillable?...

He is killable. However, when he comes back to life he is immune to whatever previously killed him.

[Vanguard07]

I've always been curious about that. Does that mean he's immune to everything that has ever previously killed him or only whatever the most recent thing was?
Does he retain permanent immunity?

[3dman27]

Doomsday, didn't he come from Apolokolips?
no i think you're thinking of the animated version this is standard doomsday

[trustyside-kick]

I've always been curious about that. Does that mean he's immune to everything that has ever previously killed him or only whatever the most recent thing was?
Does he retain permanent immunity?

He is immune to whatever has ever killed him. That is my understanding of it and I believe I'm correct. If I am wrong someone please correct me.

[1987olds442]

That ability never really made since with his origin...Now if doomsday was magical it would have made more since.

[LongDong]

He basically (from what I understand off Wiki) awww hell I will just post what Wiki says

Doomsday was artificially created in the distant past on Krypton, long before the humanoid Kryptonian race had gained dominance over the planet; in this time period, Krypton was a violent, hellish world where only the absolute strongest of creatures could survive (at the time, the world's dominant lifeforms were said to be the most dangerous creatures in the universe). Doomsday's creator was a mysterious alien named Bertron, who wished to create the ultimate lifeform. To do so, Bertron and his team sent a baby onto the surface of the planet, where it would be instantly killed by the harsh environment or the vicious creatures inhabiting it. Each time, whatever of the lifeform's remains that survived were harvested and used again, to create a better, stronger version than the previous. In short, the mad scientist was using the method of cloning to accelerate the evolution of the being he was creating. Through decades of this process, the being who would eventually become Doomsday was forced to endure the agony of death, thousands upon thousands of times; the memory of these countless deaths was recorded in his genes and drove it to hate all life. Eventually, Doomsday gained the ability to evolve against what killed him in his prior life without the need of Bertron's technology. At this point he proceeded to hunt down and kill all of the lethal creatures that inhabited Krypton. Bertron himself met his death at the hands of his own creation. Doomsday escaped Krypton and went on a killing spree across several planets, eventually coming to Calatron, where he was defeated by the energy being The Radiant. In common Calatonian burial procedures, Doomsday's body was shackled and masked, and due to his status as a murderer, was shot into space. Eventually, he would land on earth, the force of the impact of his landing driving the casket deep underground. Doomsday, however, was not dead, as any time he would be "killed" he would return evolved past whatever defeated him.

and now powers and abilities

Doomsday was created and evolved through cloning an infant and having it killed over and over again by one of the most dangerous species of the universe and in one of the harshest habitats in existence, prehistoric Krypton. As such, he returns to life every time he dies and becomes resistant or immune to what killed him before. An example of this was how Doomsday was immune to the Radiant's energy after being killed by the Radiant the first time they fought. Also, Doomsday was shown to be extremely resiliant to energy based attacks when facing Darkseid, even going so far as to brutally attack the Lord of Apokalips as he unleashed the force of his omega beams on Doomsday at point blank range. The amount of damage dealt to him determines the length of time it would take to fully recover. If Doomsday was barely killed with minimal damage, his recovery could be as little as a few months. If Doomsday was extensively damaged (like when Imperiex reduced him to a skeleton) it could take even thousands of years without assistance.

Doomsday can also develop/evolve resistances to whatever injures or harms him which was demonstrated in the Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey series. Superman used a sound gun to paralyze Doomsday, but Doomsday's auditory canals simply closed up making him impervious to Superman's weapon. Waverider paralyzed Doomsday once with chronal energy, but the second attempt backlashed on Waverider. In essence, Doomsday can become as invulnerable as he needs to be.

Doomsday can also develop weapons/evolutions to counter an opponent such as the case when he cancelled out a being of pure energy (i.e. Radiant) by generating an aura of energy and slamming into him, extending his claws to strike while Superman was in flight and reel him in while slowly poisoning him in the aforementioned Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey or breathe flames against the Martian Manhunter in Superman #175.

As a result of these evolutions, Doomsday is covered by bony protrusions all through out his body that serves as added protection for what little vital organs he has (brain, eyes, heart, nervous system) and as weapons (in the form of claws, fangs, and elbow/knee spurs).

Doomsday also has a highly accelerated healing factor that allows him to heal and regenerate from most damage almost instantly. Similar to Superman's Kryptonian DNA, Doomsday absorbs and processes solar radiation and can store it for thousands of years. As a result of his engineering, Doomsday does not need to eat, drink, breathe, or sleep and his body is almost solid mass.

Doomsday's physical abilities rival those of Superman. Doomsday possesses super strength, the limits of which are unknown. At the same time in the Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey mini series, he was able to break Superman's left arm even though at that time, Superman was experiencing a massive energy surge which was making him stronger and pushing him closer to invulnerablilty. His other abilities include extreme resistance to heat, cold, and injury allowing him to survive on the most inhospitable worlds as well as survive in the vacuum of space. Doomsday possesses almost inexhaustable endurance and stamina. Superman once remarked on Doomsday, "We've been fighting all day and Doomsday doesn't seem to have slowed down". Most surprising are his reflexes and speed for his size. In a matter of seconds, Doomsday mananged to render most of the Justice League incapable of fighting and Booster Gold stated "This guy's faster than Flash!". He cannot fly, but rather travels by leaping miles at a time. Superman took advantage of this in their first battle by trying to keep him airborne. He also used it to his advantage when he deposited Doomsday in a lake to slow him down, whilst Superman saved a mother and her child from a burning house.

[Spike_x1]

Also, Doomsday was shown to be extremely resiliant to energy based attacks when facing Darkseid, even going so far as to brutally attack the Lord of Apokalips as he unleashed the force of his omega beams on Doomsday at point blank range.Well, the thing is that Darkseid's attack in that instance was not the full force of the Omega Effect, nor was it at point blank range (the story even specifically mentions the latter).

[Vanguard07]

Also the omega effect could just teleport him somewhere instead of attempting direct damage. Or it could erase him completely.
Doomsday cant fly? fine Omega effect-teleport him into a black hole. It might not kill him but Darkseid'd still win by battlefield removal.

[kytrigger]

Also the omega effect could just teleport him somewhere instead of attempting direct damage. Or it could erase him completely.
Doomsday cant fly? fine Omega effect-teleport him into a black hole. It might not kill him but Darkseid'd still win by battlefield removal.

I was just about to type this exact same thing when reading through everyone's logic, but you beat me to it.

Darkseid has fought Doomsday before and knows that his Omega beams won't outright kill him. He's not going to waste time trying to fight him in hand-to-hand combat especially since I am sure that he thinks Doomsday is beneath him. He would simply teleport him to wherever the hell he wanted to and that would end the fight.

[LongDong]

I was just about to type this exact same thing when reading through everyone's logic, but you beat me to it.

Darkseid has fought Doomsday before and knows that his Omega beams won't outright kill him. He's not going to waste time trying to fight him in hand-to-hand combat especially since I am sure that he thinks Doomsday is beneath him. He would simply teleport him to wherever the hell he wanted to and that would end the fight.

I highly doubt it would be that easy, Doomsday is as fast as the Flash according to Wiki. *EDIT* FASTER than the Flash *EDIT*

I also doubt that he feels Doomsday is beneath him since Doomsday beat him when they fought.

[LongDong]

Dan Jurgens says

"RC: And now we come to another "god issue" that sometimes angers people: Darkseid, Doomsday and Superman in Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey. Darkseid really seemed to get bludgeoned by Doomsday, like he had no chance against Doomsday. In the Doomsday: Year One annual, however, it seemed like Darkseid would have had somewhat of an equality with Doomsday. Was it your intention to show Doomsday as, like, orders above Darkseid in Hunter/Prey?

DAN JURGENS: It’s funny, but somebody emailed me about this not too long ago.

RC: I saw that email on the Web.

DAN JURGENS: The idea that we were trying to portray is the natural immunity that Doomsday would develop toward whoever he was fighting. In such case, it becomes very hard for Darkseid to defeat him.

My answer to that question in general is that . . . you take Doomsday, you take Darkseid, you put them in a pit and have them fight it out to death. If you do that ten times, you’re looking at a five-five or six-four split.
Superman/Doomsay: Hunter/Prey
Superman/Doomsay: Hunter/Prey

RC: Some people got the impression from Hunter/Prey that Darkseid could never win against Doomsday.

DAN JURGENS: I think that on that one given time [in Hunter/Prey] . . . yes, but I also think that Darkseid is a smart guy. (Laughs).

RC: What if you threw Darkseid in that pit with no preparation or anything like that?

DAN JURGENS: Because of brute power and the natural immunity that Doomsday genetically develops, Doomsday has the advantage. But my theory is that the next time they fight, Darkseid knows that he’s been defeated and takes countermeasures.

RC: So, in your opinion, if Darkseid fought Doomsday without employing technology and strategy, Doomsday would win every time?

DAN JURGENS: Yes. Right."

http://www.comicboards.com/jurgens-rc.php

say g'night Darkseid

[Anubis]

Everybody knows you can't go by what Jurgens says. He smokes Crack.

[LongDong]

Everybody knows you can't go by what Jurgens says. He smokes Crack.

Sort of reminds me of this

It's only considered bad writing when it doesn't fit into your views on things. Personally, I think it's Bad-Ass writing.

;) heh heh

Jurgens is a paid professional in the comic book arena, I think what he says needs to be taken as being more seriously than what any of us would have to say.

[kytrigger]

Jurgens is a paid professional in the comic book arena, I think what he says needs to be taken as being more seriously than what any of us would have to say. No he doesn't. At least not in this context. If he was talking about the process of writing or something, then his answers would hold more weight, but this is just a "who do you think would win" question that is based solely on the opinion of someone with the previous knowledge coming form teh comic books. People here are just as familiar with these two characters as he is even though they don't write comics.

[kytrigger]

I highly doubt it would be that easy, Doomsday is as fast as the Flash according to Wiki. *EDIT* FASTER than the Flash *EDIT*

I also doubt that he feels Doomsday is beneath him since Doomsday beat him when they fought.

It doesn't say he's faster than Flash. It said that Booster Gold said "he's faster than Flash". Anyone who takes Booster Gold's word on anything is in trouble. Yes he is extremely fast, but in no way faster than Flash. Flash can go well beyond the speed of light under certain conditions, and Doomsday has never shown anywhere near that level of speed. And even idf he is that fast, Darkseid has hit him before, so there is no reason he can't hit him again. This time he'll just teleport him into a blackhole or something.

Darkseid feels everyone is beneath him.

[Sloth7d]

Even Darkseid is beneath Darkseid.

[3dman27]

Even Darkseid is beneath Darkseid.
now THATS saying something

[Spike_x1]

I think Darkseid would just say "Screw this. I learned from my mistake," and then wipe Doomsday from existence or teleport him to the end of time, like Waverider did.

Every time this debate comes up, someone says that Doomsday survived the Omega Effect, but nowhere in the story does Darkseid say that he used the full Omega Force. All that Darkseid intended to do in the story was crispy-fry Doomsday and bury his remains under molten rock.

Darkseid had no idea that Doomsday would survive, and by the time that he realized his mistake, and was preparing to use the true Omega Effect, Doomsday kneed him in the face and didn't give Darkseid another opening to attack.

Doomsday also had the element of surprise on his side during this scene, because Darkseid assumed that DD was dead, and so he turned his back to DD.

[Anubis]

Sort of reminds me of this



;) heh heh

Jurgens is a paid professional in the comic book arena, I think what he says needs to be taken as being more seriously than what any of us would have to say.

What does the fact that Jurgens smokes crack and will say and do anything for a hit have to do with what I so eloquently said about bad writing?

[LongDong]

What does the fact that Jurgens smokes crack and will say and do anything for a hit have to do with what I so eloquently said about bad writing?

Simple, you stated that someone saying Taskmaster having super powers was bad writing was just them not liking it only because it did not fit into their personal views on the character.

You saying Jurgens is on crack fits that same type of scenario as you only say that Jurgens is on crack as what he says about Doomsday doesn't fit in with your personal views on Doomsday vs Darkseid. Jurgens, the professional comic book writer and artist, Jurgens the creator of Doomsday, Jurgens the obvious Crack smoker would not have more knowledge on the subject than you. Heaven forbid.

[Anubis]

No, he really is on Crack. Seriously. He once stated in an interview that Superman had two penis' in exchange for ten bucks. His judement can't be trusted. He's a sick man.

[kytrigger]

Simple, you stated that someone saying Taskmaster having super powers was bad writing was just them not liking it only because it did not fit into their personal views on the character.

You saying Jurgens is on crack fits that same type of scenario as you only say that Jurgens is on crack as what he says about Doomsday doesn't fit in with your personal views on Doomsday vs Darkseid. Jurgens, the professional comic book writer and artist, Jurgens the creator of Doomsday, Jurgens the obvious Crack smoker would not have more knowledge on the subject than you. Heaven forbid.

Crack smoking aside, that still doesn't make his opinion on the fight any more valid though. The simple fact that he created Doomsday would only allow for an argument that he is biased towards the character anyway. It's the exact same thing as when a thread was started stating that the Hulk could beat Superman because Stan Lee said so.

[Anubis]

And everybody knows Stan Lee is full of s**t. Litereally. He's got twelve colostomy bags working around the clock.

[kytrigger]

And everybody knows Stan Lee is full of s**t. Litereally. He's got twelve colostomy bags working around the clock.

I heard Jurgens even told Stan that he'd even chug one of the bags if Stan got him some crack....

[sojazu]

Darkseid

[3dman27]

can we please keep on toic here?

[Spike_x1]

El Bumpo. :o

For the next match, I think it'd be a cool fight to have the Master Jailer vs. Mr. Miracle, just based on the opposing nature of their characters.

[Red]

12 - 6 to Darkseid, next match up soon.

[explode7]

Red X VS Green Arrow.

[SuperFerret]

RC: So, in your opinion, if Darkseid fought Doomsday without employing technology and strategy, Doomsday would win every time?

What idiot would go into a fight without employing strategy!?

[explode7]

^Spiderman.

[Silicon Surfer]

What idiot would go into a fight without employing strategy!?

Superman!

[incubat]

when you're caught of guard you usually fight without a strategy

[The Leaguer]

You don't fight without strategy unless you're asleep or something. Even if you get caught off guard, you try to figure out how to turn the situation around. That's strategy.

[incubat]

i also thougt of what you just said leaguer, but what i meant as strategy was planning before fighting

[Red]

El Bumpo. :o

For the next match, I think it'd be a cool fight to have the Master Jailer vs. Mr. Miracle, just based on the opposing nature of their characters.

MASTER JAILER

http://supermanica.info/wiki/images/c/c2/Supes331.jpg

VS

MR. MIRACLE
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/98/Mm22.png

[Hellstormer]

Master Jailer

[3dman27]

mr miracle super escape artist

[Anubis]

Miracle

[Lobo]

Mr Miracle

[Sloth7d]

Mister miracle

[trustyside-kick]

Mister Miracle

[sinewave]

Mr. Miracle

[ToddIsDead]

Scott Free

[The Leaguer]

Master Jailer, because his name is awesome.

[Silicon Surfer]

Mr. Miracle, although Grimbor might have been a better match.

[The Moon Knight]

Mr. Miracle

[incubat]

mr miracle

[Vanguard07]

Mister Miracle

[Spike_x1]

The Jailer.

In his last appearance as the MJ that I know of, his traps really were effective at keeping Superman down (an entire desert island with cages made with super dense sand, laced with kryptonite, and could rebuild themselves faster than Superman could punch through them). Supes only escaped by using another villain, Neutron, as a nuclear missile, blowing up the entire island and driving the Master Jailer away from the scene.

[Anubis]

Yeah, thats all well and good, but Superman aint exactly Mr. Miracle. That guy's been escaping s**t since he was an infant. Nobody can hold him. Well, just about nobody.

[trustyside-kick]

Also, in your example, you mention Kryptonite lacing...no **** it held Superman down; lol.

[Spike_x1]

Yeah, thats all well and good, but Superman aint exactly Mr. Miracle. That guy's been escaping s**t since he was an infant. Nobody can hold him. Well, just about nobody.Well, I personally think the fight could go either way; I just voted for the Master Jailer because he deserves more credit than he's getting. Both combatants are probably the top experts in their fields in the DCU (trapping and escaping, respectively), but I think that Mr. Miracle's getting so many votes based moreso on name recognition rather than most people asking whether or not he can actually escape one of the Jailer's traps.

That said, I'm not saying that Scott wouldn't be able to escape, but I'm also not going to deny the possibility that Carl (the MJ) might be able to contain him. As I said, it could go either way.Also, in your example, you mention Kryptonite lacing...no **** it held Superman down; lol.LOL. You seem to be, like Smallville, putting too much faith in kryptonite. Unless the radiation is focused by the likes of Metallo, Conduit, or the Kryptonite Man, it takes a minute or so before it really hurts Superman. Wonder Woman definitely learned this the hard way in the Sacrifice arc, where Superman didn't even seem to notice the green k at all.

In the desert island trap, small kryptonite fragments were literally sprinkled in as simply the icing on the cake, and didn't make much of a difference at all in the actual effectiveness of the trap holding him. Superman wasn't groaning in pain or anything from radiation. The kryptonite was just there to slowly kill him, because he was trapped and couldn't escape it.

[trustyside-kick]

I know that, Spike_x1. I was just saying that with the kryptonite there it is a factor for that scenario. Not saying that was the only reason it would be or was hard for him to escape. Because obviously in this match, kryptonite wouldn't matter.

[Spike_x1]

Perhaps I mistook it, but the phrase "no **** it held Superman down; lol" when you seem to be referring only to the kryptonite in that scenario, instead of calling attention to the rest of the trap's properties, well, it comes across as if you believed that the small amount of kryptonite was the only reason the trap held Supes.

[trustyside-kick]

Makes sense and you are partially right in that judgement. That's only because I wasn't aware of how much kryptonite there was since I didn't read that story. You said lacings of it so I assumed he was practically wrapped in a coating of it or something. :O

[Spike_x1]

Nah, it was just sprinkled into the columns that made up Superman's "cell." You can just see little dots of green amidst the "bars."

[1987olds442]

Mr. Miracle

[sinewave]

can we get a new matchup? this one's boring me. :(

[Hack and Slash]

Mr miracle

[Red]

13 - 3 to Mr miracle

Next match up soon.

[incubat]

i was kind of wondering when there would be anoteher match...

[Spike_x1]

>_>


<_<


...hmm...

[Anubis]

)) <--> ((

[Sparta*]

I have a proposition for you Red X. Check your PM's :up:

[Red]

Suggestions?

[3dman27]

johnny quick vs deathstroke

[Mr. Terrific]

LOL! out of the two, I'd say deathstroke hands down :D

[Sparta*]

Hey all, you may know me from the Marvel section of the comics forum...I run the Marvel comics character tournament over there. I talked to Red X about spicing up his thread a little bit by letting me scan some of my DC cards for him to use, and for you all to see. I have tried many a time to send the cards to Red X, but it hasen't happened and I don't know if it will. I spent a lot of time scanning about 150 cards, and I don't want to see all my hard work go to waste. Since Red X hasen't posted a match-up in about 3 weeks, If you guys want, I would post a match-up. Only difference is, I would be doing it by request only for the most part. I will post all the characters I scanned, and from those, you guys can throw suggestions my way...if you guys want! If you guys don't want me to do this, just say it and i'm out of here. Anyway, here is the list...

Joker
Aquaman
Superman
Supergirl
Superboy
Steel
Superman Cyborg
The Eradicator
Mongul
Doomsday
Emerald Dragon
Valor
Live Wire
Saturn Girl
Cosmic Boy
Andromeda
Polestar
Vril Dox
Captain Atom
Martian Manhunter
Nightwing
Geo-Force
Battalion
Arsenal
Ferrin Colos
Batman
Robin
Azrael-Batman
Ra's Al Ghul
Catwoman
Two-Face
Monarch
Vandal Savage
Raven (evil)
Poison Ivy
Black Adam
Darkseid
Brimstone
Dr. Polaris
Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
Guy Gardner Warrior
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Sinestro
Guardians of the Universe
Impulse
Max Mercury
The Spectre
The Demon
Phantom Stranger
Eclipso
Dr. Fate
Orion
Lobo
Deathstroke the Terminator
Green Arrow
Changeling
Crimson Fox
Metamorpho
Maxima
Huntress
The Atom
The Ray
Starman
Hawkman
Hawkwoman
The Guardian
Wonder Woman
Blue Beetle & Booster Gold
Black Canary
Power-Girl
Shazam/Captain Marvel
The Flash
Killer Croc
Bane
Circe
Lex Luthor
Blaze
Kadabra
Azrael
Chesire
Shrapnel
Deadline
Copperhead
Major Force
Captain Boomerang
Black Mask
Black Manta
Ocean Master
The Mist
Metallo
Psimon
The Parasite
Toyman
Cheetah
The Shade
Knockout
Man-Bat
Bizarro
Weather Wizard
Captain Cold
Mirror Master
Mr. Mxyzptlk (spelling?)
Count Viper
Monarch
Darkseid's Elite
Blackfire
Wild Huntsman
Solomon Grundy
Silver Banshee
Ares
The Baron
The Controllers
The Dominators
Brainiac
Kobra
Mr. Miracle
Parallax
Mr. Freeze
Neron
Blue Beetle
Fire
Event - Knightfall
Event - Zero Hour
Event - Death of Superman

If you guys like this, I can continue where I left off and finish scanning the rest of the characters. Sorry if I have some characters listed twice, I scanned multiple cards for a lot of characters :oldrazz: I'm not trying to hijack Red X's thread or anything, but he hasen't posted a match-up in a long time, and I don't want to see the thread die. He is welcome to tell me to bugger off whenever he wants :p

With that said, request away.

[Sloth7d]

Yeah, you should take over

I suggest Braniac vs Martian manhunter.

[Spike_x1]

Which Brainiac?

[Sparta*]

Yeah, you should take over

I suggest Braniac vs Martian manhunter.

I'm not sure about that lol :p I just want to help this thread coast along for now

Which Brainiac?

This Brainiac...

[Sloth7d]

I think it depends on the version he scanned. But the current version was what I'm suggesting.

[Sloth7d]

I don't want to take over completely :D :p I just want to help this thread coast along
Someone might aswell takeover. There hasn't been a match in months.

[CanaryFan]

I'm not trying to hijack Red X's thread or anything, but he hasen't posted a match-up in a long time, and I don't want to see the thread die.

I felt the same way a couple months a go and faced a hissyfit through pm's but somebody should keep this thread active if he won't.

[Spike_x1]

This Brainiac...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/scan0019.jpgMilton Fine's the s**t. :up:

If the match does become a reality, Brainiac gets my vote.

[Sparta*]

I felt the same way a couple months a go and faced a hissyfit through pm's but somebody should keep this thread active if he won't.

I haven't gotten any hissyfit PM's yet hahaha but the day is still young :p

Anyway, I'm just trying to help...if anyone doesn't want me to do this i'm out of here faster then you can say it.

For now though, until I hear otherwise, I am just going to act as the middle man for all of you guys. You guys request whatever you want to see, and i'll post it :up:

Speaking of which, Sloth7d requested Martian Manhunter vs new Brainiac so i'll go ahead and post that :up:

[Sparta*]

MARTIAN MANHUNTER
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/scan0018.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


BRAINIAC
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/scan0019-1.jpg

[Sparta*]

This match-up was a request by Sloth7d. As per his wishes, the Brainiac in this match-up is the more recent version as opposed to the classic shown in the scan.

[3dman27]

j'ohnn j'onzz

[Silicon Surfer]

J'ohnn J'onzz

[Sloth7d]

Braniac.

[CanaryFan]

I'm not familiar with the newest version of Brainiac but he always gave Supes fits reguardless of wich incarnation he was facing. He'd probably give the martian a hell of a fight but in the end he'll fall. MM for the win.

[Spike_x1]

If it's Brainiac 13 as opposed to Milton Fine, then B13 in a second. Not even Superman could come anywhere close to beating him physically.

[1987olds442]

B13

[Sparta*]

3 - 3 tie so far...

[sinewave]

I don't know enough about Braniac, but J'onn is one of the top three most powerful heroes in the DCU, in my mind. I'll go with MM.

[Mr.Dent]

J'onn without a doubt, IMO.

[Mr.Dent]

J'onn without a doubt, IMO.

[Sparta*]

Red X and I managed to transfer the files so he should post a match-up soon!

Keep the requests coming though! I'm sure he'll appreciate them. Thanks guys, t'was fun.