Daywalker films:The Blade thread

[Morgoth]

Just wanted to start a thread for Blade since it only has a tv section now. I bought Blade 2 yesterday and you know how you watch a movie or really watch a movie, just sit there and take it all in? Well, that's what I did with Blade 2 last night.

I've seen it a few times but I really wathed it last night, and it is a great movie. I love the animated fight scenes. It was so comic booky and cool.

It's a shame the third movie got so screwed up. Dracula should've looked way better than just some idiot with a shaved head, and when he is in monster form you barely see him. For me the 3rd doesn't exist.

The first Blade is still my favorite for a few reasons. It was the first of the big Marvel movies that paved the way for X-men and Spider-man.

I knew of Blade from the Spider-man cartoon in the 90's, and I really liked him. When I saw the trailer I was really happy, I knew who he was and I thought it was going to be great and it sure as heck was.

There were things done in that first Blade that hadn't been seen before. People made a big deal of the bullet time in the Matrix but, look at the cool scene in Blade when the silver bullets whiz by Frost's head.

Much better than Matrix, the movie and everything in my opinion.

Wesley Snipes was so good in these movies, I don't think I'll be able to bring myself to watch the tv show, Snipes is Blade and that's it, 'Nuff said.

When Blade comes out of the vat of blood in Blade 2 I still get chills. You just know he's gonna' kick some vampire butt, same goes for the scene when he gets his shades back in Blade 1 and kicks Frost's butt, just cool.

Great Marvel movies, and great Movies unto themselves.:cool: If only they could go back and redo part three, or make a fourth that would make up for it.

[Earthsea]

If only they could go back and redo part three, or make a fourth that would make up for it.

Unless the TV Show is really bad & does not do well then I don't see that happening as the Show itself is a Sequel to the Movies.

[Chris Wallace]

I think if they'd taken their time w/the third one, instead of trying so hard to launch "Nightstalkers", it could've been great.

[The Phantom]

W/e happened to Nightstalkers?

[Chris Wallace]

The lackluster response to "Trinity" pretty much killed it.

[Mr. Socko]

I liked The 3rd one the best. Don't bring up to my about how it's corny and all but I thought the comedy in it was good. I don't read Blade but I'm not a huge fan, I've only seen the movies and the 3rd was my favorite.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Totally underrated movies in my opinion.

I hate to say this though, but i think the original Blade has dated quite a bit, and i find i dont enjoy as much any more, that and the fact that i've probably watched it close to 50 times! I'll never forget the first time i watched the bloodbath scene though, i literally had to pick my jaw up off the floor.

Blade II is the best in the series IMO, everything was better, especially the fight scene's, Blade vs Nomak, best part of the series, Nomak was such a badass.

Trinity totally dropped the ball, and was a total dissapointment, i own it and will watch it from time to time cos it is Blade, but this should have been a much better movie.

Overall i'd give the trilogy a 4 out of 5, two good films and one bad

[Kevin Roegele]

I like Trinity, Drake-ula is the daddy of all lameness and Reynolds has 50% too many wisecracks....but that aside, it works for me. Blade II is better of course, it's one of the best comicbook movies around and I'll take it over Spider-Man or Spider-Man 2 any day. And then we have Blade, the original and the best. One of the best action movies of the last ten years.

[Chris Wallace]

I still think if we'd gotten to know Drake a little better-i.e., his mentality, his motivations-he might've been more interesting. People liked Frost b/c he made it clear, from the get-go, what he wanted & what he was about. Same w/Nomak. Drake came off a bit one-dimensional & in some ways, a watered-down version of Frost & Nomak. Taking a kid hostage to keep Blade at bay while they talked? FROST DID IT! The split chin? NOMAK DID IT! His conversation w/Blade even had similar dialogue.

[Chris Wallace]

I like Trinity, Drake-ula is the daddy of all lameness and Reynolds has 50% too many wisecracks....but that aside, it works for me. Blade II is better of course, it's one of the best comicbook movies around and I'll take it over Spider-Man or Spider-Man 2 any day. And then we have Blade, the original and the best. One of the best action movies of the last ten years.
Funny how some posters can never pass up an opportunity to trash a film, even if it's in a totally unrelated thread.

[Spider-Fan]

Blade was easily the best of the series. Blade II had a weaker story, weak chemistry between Blade and the daughter of the head vampire(forgot character's name), and poor special effects. There were a decent number of moments that looked totally fake in the movie. The 3rd movie was weak in acting, comedy, and dialogue. I found the main plot to be a little more interesting despite the fact it could have been done much better. However, Blade had an interesting plot, Frost was my favorite villain of the series, and the way you were introduced to the vampire world was well done. Now, Blade was not a great movie either, but it was the most enjoyable, and that is really all I expected from this franchise.

[Kevin Roegele]

Funny how some posters can never pass up an opportunity to trash a film, even if it's in a totally unrelated thread.

Where was the trashing?

[jimi kane]

Seeing as this is a Blade thread, whos seen the Daywalker fanfilm and what did you think. Liked it myself.:)

[Max J Power]

I like "Blade" slightly more than "Blade II," but both movies are good. "Blade Trinity" was not as bad I expected, but not as good as I hoped.

[chamber-music]

I own the whole Trilogy and the first Blade film is my favourite, it has probabley one of the greatest introductions to a action hero EVER. Frost was a cool villian. He was very charasmatic. Nomak had a kind of Frakenstein quality to him whereas Drake was just plain dull.

I didn't like Trinity compared to the last two. I thought it was a big let down and waste of oppertunity. Parts of the film where just rehashes of the previous two. The filmed lacked the style of the others and it seemed as if goyer was trying copy some of the previous directors style to no effect.

Morgoths right about Blade being underated. If you look back to 1998 there wasn't any film like it and don't belive its dated at all.

Whislers daughter in trinity seemed out of place to me she just seemed to be a character stuck in there at random. Nothing more than eye candy. Blade was like a son to Whisler and his not even gonna mention his got a vampire slaying daughter running around to him. I don't buy it.

The Blatant Apple product placement in Trinity got on my nerves also.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They just made Trinity too light, and the fight scene's took a huge drop down from 2, 1's fight scenes were better and they are 6 years older!

Also, Drake should have been th biggest badass in history, he turned out to be a nuggett

[Advanced Dark]

Blade 2 was easily my favorite, then the original. Blade Trinity? They made a 3rd film...really? ;) I thought that was a new rated PG-13 Scooby Doo films disguised as an R rated film. Snipes is the man but nobody expects the same quality on TV as they would in theatres. The TV show will be fine.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Blade II is the best of the three, the Blade vs Nomak fight alone is the shi ite

[chamber-music]

Considering Drake was surpposed to be the baddest of all Vampires he was pretty lame compared to Nomak or La Magra Frost. I mean he ran away from Blade when they first met. Calling him Drake as well was kinda crap. Dracula has hundreds of different names if they wanted to call him something different.

Danica Talos seemed like a female Deacon Frost to me and Grimwood was just a strong Quinn.

[Kevin Roegele]

Considering Drake was surpposed to be the baddest of all Vampires he was pretty lame compared to Nomak or La Magra Frost. I mean he ran away from Blade when they first met. Calling him Drake as well was kinda crap. Dracula has hundreds of different names if they wanted to call him something different.

The real shame is that the Dracula from The Tomb of Dracula is one of the best ever interpretations of the character.

[Sava]

Blade 1= ok

Blade 2= badass

Blade 3= sucked ass

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Blade 1 was great when it first came out, but i think it has aged quite a lot since 1998. Now its just ok.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The funny thing in Trinity is, the build-up to the Drake fight is actually pretty cool, the fight itself is quite poor though.

[Kevin Roegele]

The funny thing in Trinity is, the build-up to the Drake fight is actually pretty cool, the fight itself is quite poor though.

Drake-ula: Blade. Are you ready to die?
Blade: I was born ready, motherf-cker.

LOL.

[Kevin Roegele]

The funny thing in Trinity is, the build-up to the Drake fight is actually pretty cool, the fight itself is quite poor though.

Drake-ula: Blade. Are you ready to die?
Blade: I was born ready, motherf-cker.

LOL. I love that. You don't really need to call Dracula a motherf_cker. He's obviously so clearly evil, no insult is bad enough.

[adamcz]

I didn't watch III until last a couple days ago ($10 at BBY this week), and I think it's a near-fact that it wasn't as good as II was. It was even more dissapointing to hear Goyer mention that he originally thought to set the movie in the future. Why the heck didn't he?? At least it would have been different from the current movies. I also think adding humor was a mistake - there's no need to try to reach a whole new audience in the third installment of a series. The third movie should appeal mostly to people who loved the first two.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I didn't watch III until last a couple days ago ($10 at BBY this week), and I think it's a near-fact that it wasn't as good as II was. It was even more dissapointing to hear Goyer mention that he originally thought to set the movie in the future. Why the heck didn't he?? At least it would have been different from the current movies. I also think adding humor was a mistake - there's no need to try to reach a whole new audience in the third installment of a series. The third movie should appeal mostly to people who loved the first two.

Exactly right. I enjoyed the humour first time around, but it just gets continually annoying the more you watch the movie. And whats with the fight scene's taking a huge step down from 1 and especially 2? The more i watch Trinity, the more i get the feeling that they just didnt try at all. Yes i will continue to watch the movie, because it has Blade in it and a few cool moments.

[Chris Wallace]

I felt the cool moments outweighed the lame ones. A lot of Hannibal's remarks I could've done without, though.

[deemar325]

I felt the cool moments outweighed the lame ones. A lot of Hannibal's remarks I could've done without, though.

I like Ryan Reynolds, but he was out of place in that movie, Jessica Biel is hot but she added nothing at all to the movie (except the shower scene.)
Goyer is a sh--ty director and NewLine should have just scrapped the whole thing.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I dont think they should have scrapped it but they should have made better decisions during the production process, surely they got regualr updates on the movie, could they not see that it was going wrong?

[Kevin Roegele]

I felt the cool moments outweighed the lame ones. A lot of Hannibal's remarks I could've done without, though.

:up: Drake-ula aside, I like Blade Trin. It's the worst of the series, but it's solid.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I just get angry watching it sometimes considering how good it COULD have been.

[BDOUBLEO]

Trinity is the worst out of 3. The first 15 minutes is good but goes down from there. I haven't watched the movie since I bought the DVD. The comedy aspects were way out of place and just really messed up the flow of the series. I like Blade 2 the best then Blade 1.

[Advanced Dark]

Check out the TV series thread to see more pics I just posted there. :)

[Golgo-13]

Trinity is the worst out of 3. The first 15 minutes is good but goes down from there. I haven't watched the movie since I bought the DVD. The comedy aspects were way out of place and just really messed up the flow of the series. I like Blade 2 the best then Blade 1.

Agreed. The opening sequunce where Blade walks outta the warehouse after ashing a few vamps in 'slo-mo' was kickass! But after Blade accidently killed that human the story went down hill from there. Watching Reynolds and Biel trying to fight as well as Snipes does was, well, laughable. You can tell when a person is a 'rea'l Martial Artist as Snipes is, as his body movements look fluid and natural, theirs looked forced and rehearsed....like how they do on 'Buffy'..:down


Guys..this movies really pisses me off, whenever i think about how good it could've been. Why the **** did Goyer add this ridiculously outta place commentary to the opening by Hannibal king:

"In the movies, Dracula wears a cape, and some old English guy manages to save the day at the last moment with crosses and holy water. But everyone knows the movies are full of s***.......??

Were Goyer and Reynold lovers or some **** and Goyer was trying to give Reynold career a push? This is a Blade movie....god i could rant on, and on about this for days..but it'll do no good-the damage is done..:(

[deemar325]

Agreed. The opening sequunce where Blade walks outta the warehouse after ashing a few vamps in 'slo-mo' was kickass! But after Blade accidently killed that human the story went down hill from there. Watching Reynolds and Biel trying to fight as well as Snipes does was, well, laughable. You can tell when a person is a 'rea'l Martial Artist as Snipes is, as his body movements look fluid and natural, theirs looked forced and rehearsed....like how they do on 'Buffy'..:down


Guys..this movies really pisses me off, whenever i think about how good it could've been. Why the **** did Goyer add this ridiculously outta place commentary to the opening by Hannibal king:

"In the movies, Dracula wears a cape, and some old English guy manages to save the day at the last moment with crosses and holy water. But everyone knows the movies are full of s***.......??

Were Goyer and Reynold lovers or some **** and Goyer was trying to give Reynold career a push? This is a Blade movie....god i could rant on, and on about this for days..but it'll do no good-the damage is done..:(


I hear ya, that right there let me know when I saw Blade3 that it was a lost cause. Who gives a rats ass about Hannibal King!

Plus it was plain to see that Reynolds and Biel where unable to make themselves appear as believable fighters.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I completely agree with both of you guys, 3rd should of been the best, was the opposite.

[Golgo-13]

I just finish watching Blade 2 and i came to realise that the chemisrty between Whistler, Scud and Blade is what made the movie awesome. Some of the greatest dialogue came from Whistler and Scuds wise cracks towards each other, and they were funny because...they weren't trying to be funny-they were dead serious! Reynolds was trying too hard to be funny and that's why his wise cracks didn't work imo....

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Very true Goglo, I also loved Whistler's interactions with Reinhardt and Chupa, they were very funny also, i especially loved it when Whistler called Reinhardt a "****ing nipple head."

[Kevin Roegele]

Guys..this movies really pisses me off, whenever i think about how good it could've been. Why the **** did Goyer add this ridiculously outta place commentary to the opening by Hannibal king:

"In the movies, Dracula wears a cape, and some old English guy manages to save the day at the last moment with crosses and holy water. But everyone knows the movies are full of s***.......??

Were Goyer and Reynold lovers or some **** and Goyer was trying to give Reynold career a push? This is a Blade movie....god i could rant on, and on about this for days..but it'll do no good-the damage is done..:(

I think Goyer was someone embarassed to include Dracula and had to try and make him hip and cool and different from the traditional red-caped, neatly groomed gentleman with fangs. Shame really, because that's exactly what Dracula in The Tomb of Dracula IS like, and that is one of the, if not the, best portrayal of Dracula outside Stoker's novel.

[Advanced Dark]

Trinity just plain blew chunks. The first 15 minutes or so were cool. I liked some of the ideas like Jessica's character could have been cool but Ryan was out of place.

[Golgo-13]

Blade 2 also had the best commentary i've heard on any dvd. The one between Snipes and Goyer, and the one with Frankfurt and Guilliomo (can't spell the name)-were almost as awesome as the movie itself!

Oh, Whistlers BEST line in the entire movie is on a deleted scene in the extras section:
"Never underestimate the power of the pu$$y. One hair off that thing can drag a frieght train up a three mile grade!"

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Lol, yes i remember that line, it is from the extended scene of the 'keep your friends close........' isnt it?

[Golgo-13]

^Yep!:up: Poetry at it's best! LOL!

[deemar325]

^Yep!:up: Poetry at it's best! LOL!

Whistler is a classy guy.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Yep!:up: Poetry at it's best! LOL!

It sure is, the first two movies have some great one liners!

[Golgo-13]

What did everyone think about the awesome:rolleyes: Trinity alternate ending? You know the one with the Werewolf....as if i have to ask!:p

[deemar325]

What did everyone think about the awesome:rolleyes: Trinity alternate ending? You know the one with the Werewolf....as if i have to ask!:p

I found it hilariously stupid and shows how low Goyer has fallen. A 'rock a billy' werewolf? :down

[chamber-music]

one of the worst looking werewolves on screen ever.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

And thats saying something chamber, i'm fine with goyers writing, hell the Trinity script was great, it just his exectution that is the big problem, and boy is it a big problem.

[redisnotbrown]

well in all honesty

blade 3 was a disgrace

after 1 and 2 which were badasss

i was pissed off

anyhows
its called blade trinity,
so technically blade 3 hasnt been released

they should make a proper blade 3 and call it Blade 3.

feck blade trinity,as far as a lot of people are concerned it doesnt exist in the continuity of the series

lets have the real blade 3!!

[Advanced Dark]

well in all honesty

blade 3 was a disgrace

after 1 and 2 which were badasss

i was pissed off

anyhows
its called blade trinity,
so technically blade 3 hasnt been released

they should make a proper blade 3 and call it Blade 3.

feck blade trinity,as far as a lot of people are concerned it doesnt exist in the continuity of the series

lets have the real blade 3!!

They really should do a Blade: Apocalypse. Why Goyer didn't stick with the TV series as an origin vehicle I don't know. That pisses me off. It is what it is so let's home the TV series is good and if Snipes doesn't come back then maybe the TV series will spin off a new round of films that will get some big financing. Nobody knows yet. Snipes as far as I know is still trying to get Black Panther going and now that it has financing he very well may get his wish.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would love a Blade 4, a proper send off is needed IMO.

[Golgo-13]

Anyone know if the Blade:Trinity score is available anywhere? Not the soundtrack but the score itself. I love the tune they played when Blade is first seen coming out of the warehouse in Trinity...i think The Rza of the Wu Tang Clan did the beats....

[BDOUBLEO]

Anyone know if the Blade:Trinity score is available anywhere? Not the soundtrack but the score itself. I love the tune they played when Blade is first seen coming out of the warehouse in Trinity...i think The Rza of the Wu Tang Clan did the beats....

New Line scrapped it from coming out after B: Trinity did sh!!tty at the US box office. On the actual soundtrack they have that track on there. I think its towards the end. They have some instrumental tracks on the soundtrack ass well.

[Morgoth]

It really ticks me off how bad they ruined Dracula. He should've been big , kind of a thinner build, with long hair, or just some more hair than what he had. He looked like an idiot. That was not Dracula. What a shame that the ultimate vampire hunter didn't get to battle the ultimate vampire.

[Morgoth]

Anyone have a pic of Frost from the comics?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It really ticks me off how bad they ruined Dracula. He should've been big , kind of a thinner build, with long hair, or just some more hair than what he had. He looked like an idiot. That was not Dracula. What a shame that the ultimate vampire hunter didn't get to battle the ultimate vampire.

I know, i find it very hard to watch Trinity without getting pissed off with Drake.

[CHEZ]

Drakeula was a disaster, the actor was terrible. He looked really stupid.
Blade was terribly misused. Whistler was terribly mistreated. How could they just kill him off like that with no real homage to the character? It was awful.
The Nightstalkers was a seriously over-rated concept by the studio, they were hoping for a spin off and it blew up in their faces. Deservedly so. They completely disregarded the Blade character. He was almost a supporting character in his own movie. Snipes apparently really fought his way through the making of this movie. He knew he was be railroaded.
David Goyer is an over-rated writer. He really is not that good. He's ok.

Blade Trinity could have been so much better.
I bought the dvd cause I still enjoy watching Snipes in the role, and there are some really good action moments in the movie. I also thought Parker Posey was excellent in her role. She was sickly and sexy at the same time. Perfect vampire.

Jessica Biel and Ryan Reynolds looked amazing in the movie, but after watching the movie a few times they become very very annoying. Especially Reynolds. They were way over-used and were really not that interesting. Too much joking. (I can see Reynolds making a good Wally West/Flash though.)

It's not the worst movie, but it definitely is the worst of the three.

[Golgo-13]

What also pisses me off about the extras in the movie is that there is hardly any behind the scene footage of Snipes. Are these studios forgetting the name of this flick was Blade-and that that's the reason we went to see the movie...?

I mean come on, listen to the commmentary and the behind the scenes extras-every 5 seconds the producers, stunt guys and everyone else who opened their mouths on these documentaries were praising Ryan and Jessica..."Oh Jessica was so great...Oh, Ryan was incredible...blah, blah, blah........." it got ****ing sickening after a while.....where was Snipes..?

And one more thing Amen Ra is the company that produced the Blade films which is Wesley's company. That's why he gets listed as a producer. Why then didn't he have more control over the way things turned out in Trinity?

If you listen to the commentary during the scene where Blade and Abagail were at the Blood bank, and Blade calls that guy a Mutha-****er, Goyer said "He (Snipes) was probably talking to me!"...so you can tell there was tension between them on set as Snipes didn't do commentary on the flick, and i got the vibe that everyone that did do commentary knew not to mention too much about Snipes because he's hardly discussed...go figure...it's a Blade movie after all:rolleyes:!

[deemar325]

^ I noticed that also.

[KenK]

Even the punk-ass director of photography, Gabriel Berinstien, made a crack about Wesley during the commentary he sat in on. It's amazing how much a lot of people **** on him, especially with how much he's put into these movies.

Blade Trinity saddens me, because Goyer had been there since day one, and I thought the idea of him actually directing a Blade film made perfect sense. And yeah, listening to him and Snipes on the Blade 2 Commentary, you'd swear they had a good relationship professionally. But Trinity proved that Goyer should stick to writing, and even the script for Trinity left a little to be desired. My whole thing is, how is his movie costing ten million more than Blade 2 and looking cheaper than the first Blade, which cost twenty million less!! Furthermore, Goyer ignores the continuity he helped create!! Why do the vampires ALWAYS LOOK LIKE VAMPIRES in Trinity?!? Why is their no vampire hierarchy or even any acknowledgment of Damiskinos' death affecting the vampire nation? Why is Blade surprised when Whistler tells him about his "friends" hooking him up with the serum inhaler. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Blade pick up the serum from someone OTHER THAN WHISTLER in the first film? Even by Whistler's own admission, in the first film, "Blade, Myself, and a few others. . . " Why is Blade so shocked that there's a whole network of hunters out there besides him? These are things you wouldn't expect from the writer of ALL THREE FILMS!! Not to mention, "Blade Trinity"-Blade seems to be a bit slow. He shoots a guy he thinks is a vampire. Even if he thinks he's a vampire(mind you, going back to the first film, Blade's supposed to have a keen sense about who's a vampire and who isn't), is he really so stupid that he asks the dying man who turns out to be human why he's not ash after being staked with silver? Does he look like a reaper?!? NO!

And while I still like Ryan Reynolds in general, you have to wonder how much of Goyer's semen he had to swallow to get such a commanding presence in the film. Goyer should have had Blade punch him out during the rescue scene when King calls Blade "Blackula", which was part of the screenplay.

Blade 2's badass standing will hold because of the classic scene where he meets the Bloodpack.

"You've been training for two years to talk me out. . .and now, here I am! OOOOO, so exciting, isn't it?!"

"Now you've got an explosive device stuck to the back of your head!"

Tell me that scene isn't priceless!

[CHEZ]

Even the punk-ass director of photography, Gabriel Berinstien, made a crack about Wesley during the commentary he sat in on. It's amazing how much a lot of people **** on him, especially with how much he's put into these movies.

Blade Trinity saddens me, because Goyer had been there since day one, and I thought the idea of him actually directing a Blade film made perfect sense. And yeah, listening to him and Snipes on the Blade 2 Commentary, you'd swear they had a good relationship professionally. But Trinity proved that Goyer should stick to writing, and even the script for Trinity left a little to be desired. My whole thing is, how is his movie costing ten million more than Blade 2 and looking cheaper than the first Blade, which cost twenty million less!! Furthermore, Goyer ignores the continuity he helped create!! Why do the vampires ALWAYS LOOK LIKE VAMPIRES in Trinity?!? Why is their no vampire hierarchy or even any acknowledgment of Damiskinos' death affecting the vampire nation? Why is Blade surprised when Whistler tells him about his "friends" hooking him up with the serum inhaler. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Blade pick up the serum from someone OTHER THAN WHISTLER in the first film? Even by Whistler's own admission, in the first film, "Blade, Myself, and a few others. . . " Why is Blade so shocked that there's a whole network of hunters out there besides him? These are things you wouldn't expect from the writer of ALL THREE FILMS!! Not to mention, "Blade Trinity"-Blade seems to be a bit slow. He shoots a guy he thinks is a vampire. Even if he thinks he's a vampire(mind you, going back to the first film, Blade's supposed to have a keen sense about who's a vampire and who isn't), is he really so stupid that he asks the dying man who turns out to be human why he's not ash after being staked with silver? Does he look like a reaper?!? NO!

And while I still like Ryan Reynolds in general, you have to wonder how much of Goyer's semen he had to swallow to get such a commanding presence in the film. Goyer should have had Blade punch him out during the rescue scene when King calls Blade "Blackula", which was part of the screenplay.

Blade 2's badass standing will hold because of the classic scene where he meets the Bloodpack.

"You've been training for two years to talk me out. . .and now, here I am! OOOOO, so exciting, isn't it?!"

"Now you've got an explosive device stuck to the back of your head!"

Tell me that scene isn't priceless!



You are so right. :up:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Goyer is waayyy over-rated as a writer. And Snipes totally got screwed on Trinity.
It really is a damn shame.
It's funny, Goyer did ressurect and save a great Marvel character, but he also destroyed it too.
Let's see how the series turns out.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Trinity is so far behind the first two movies in so many aspects. I mean, when cutting this movie together, did Goyer not realise it was actually a BAD movie. Hes able to acknowledge that the Crow 2 was a bad movie, but he cant see that Trinity is. I dont mind King or Abigail, but they are nothing compared to Blade, a great character who we all came to see. Blade II had just as many if not more characters, but Blade stayed the main focus throughout the movie.

[BDOUBLEO]

Yes Snipes got shafted big time he knew what was going on. You can tell even before Blade Trinity finish filming by the interviews Goyer was talking about Nightstalker spinoff the whole time. Snipes knew what they was doing. New Line and other producers wanted this movie to become the Nightstalker's prequal so they can make a new franchise to get that younger MTV/WWE crowd.

All the producers and Goyer were just saying how difficult Snipes is to work with since he's a method actor. I heard there were problems on the sets of Blade 1 & 2 as well but how come those movies came out good? because everybody involved in the first 2 flicks were on the same page to make a kick asss flick. In Trinity you can tell everybody wasn't on the same page and it shows. What the hell did Goyer do with all that money for the budget. Like Ken K said that movie looks more like a TV movie then anything. lol.

[KenK]

Trinity is so far behind the first two movies in so many aspects. I mean, when cutting this movie together, did Goyer not realise it was actually a BAD movie. Hes able to acknowledge that the Crow 2 was a bad movie, but he cant see that Trinity is. I dont mind King or Abigail, but they are nothing compared to Blade, a great character who we all came to see. Blade II had just as many if not more characters, but Blade stayed the main focus throughout the movie.

Goyer will sooner call out Crow 2 for being a bad movie because he didn't direct it. He doesn't want to admit how bad he failed at directing a film in a franchise that had developed such a cult following.

My whole thing is just how stiff Blade became in Trinity. He was so much more relaxed and actually had fun in Blade 2. Yeah, you could blame the stiffness on Snipes, but I think he would have been more responsive if him and Goyer could have worked out the direction of the film. Say what you want, but Snipes MADE these films what they are. Of course credit is due to Norrington, Del Toro, and even Goyer, but bottom line, Snipes brought quality. The man's not just an action star, he's a proven actor, even in dramatic films, and it shows in the first two Blade movies. He agreed to co-produce the movie, brought in the fight coordinators and is even credited as a fight coordinator for the first two films. He completely immersed himself in the character and had been happy to play him. And all this only came about because he was waiting for Black Panther to move forward, and nothing was happening. If Snipes says something's not working, I'd trust him. And he was right! Aside from Reynolds and his endless one-liners, no one cared about no damn Nighstalkers. I commend the two actors for putting in all that work training, especially Reynolds, but other than that, their characters had no development, and Abigail could have been anyone and it would have been better than saying she's Whistler's daughter. Aside from not even bothering to explain the circumstances under which she was "born out of wedlock", Goyer couldn't even get Kristofferson and Biel on screen together?!? Abigail remembers a conversation her and Whistler had, and Goyer uses footage of Whistler from the first film where he was explaining Blade's situation to Karen. That's just cheap and a sign of lazy storytelling!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know, why use a flashback sequence for Abi, from the first movie when all of the fans would know he was talking to Karen Jensen. Do they think we are stupid and wouldnt remember? Not to mention the fact that Whistler is doing EXACTLY the same action from the first movie during the flashback. How lazy is that!!!!!!

[Golgo-13]

Yeah i forgot the budget for Trinity was more than the other 2. You wouldn't know that by looking at it. They probably used the extra cash to line Reynolds and Biel's pockets with. They(the studio) were surely wooing these two to do a spin off from the get go, so giving them a nice paycheck for Trinity was probably a way of reeling them in. Also the producers damn sure didn't spend any money on the fight choreography because the fights notable sucked in this flick. There were no signature moves that made you say 'Damn' like in the first 2 flicks. Reynolds and Biel fighting looked ridiculous and rehearsed. You can tell they are not martial artist as they're body movement didn't look as natural and Snipe's does.

I can whine about this movie for hours...it truly saddens me....not to mention that it was released during the holiday season, when everybody is in the Christmas/family/Giving mood...and blood, gore and vampires is not really appealling to many at such a time...*sigh*

...oh, and one more thing. Abigails reasons for hunting vamps completely sucked. Whistler was her father and he lived, until Trinity. Her Mother lived-as she was born out of wed-lock, so all the vamps took of her's was her half brother and sisters (Whistler's original family)...who she never even met! So her passion for hunting Vamps is a bit ridiculous imo...

[The_Guyver]

I think Goyer was someone embarassed to include Dracula and had to try and make him hip and cool and different from the traditional red-caped, neatly groomed gentleman with fangs. Shame really, because that's exactly what Dracula in The Tomb of Dracula IS like, and that is one of the, if not the, best portrayal of Dracula outside Stoker's novel.

And you know what, Dracula's classic outfit from Tomb of Dracula would've made a great contrast to Blade's outfit.

Both went for the black outfits, Dracula's looked very old-fashioned and gentleman-like, and Blade's ultra-modern. It would've been cool to see Dracula suit up in his knight armour for his duel with Blade.

Another interesting similarity would've been that Dracula's cape was black on the outside and red on the inside, just like Blade's trench coat.

[KenK]

And if they had to explain Abigail's origins more thoroughly, say her mother was a vampire hunter who got romantically involved with Whistler after his family died. Like I said before, the first film established by Whistler's own admission that there were hunters other than him and Blade, and again, Blade got his serum from someone other than Whistler, so it's not much to assume he's part of the network.

And on the subject of Karen Jensen, don't you think reintroducing her character would have made more sense than creating Somerfield, and making her blind for no conceivable reason whatsoever? Again, the end of Blade has him telling Karen she should make him a better serum? Storywise, it would have made for an interesting conflict to have the two reunite in Trinity. Who would assume, having seen the first film, that Karen went back to a regular life after her encounter with Blade? I figure she started thinking like them and keeping informed. Eventually reunited with Whistler after the events of Blade 2 and was partnered up with Abigail. She'd be the leader, in a non-field capacity, but still the one in charge. Revisit the dynamic between her and Blade from the first film. Put more focus on Blade.

See, this is what I'm taking about! The tragedy of Blade Trinity is how poorly Goyer mines his own continuity. To an extent, he doesn't mine it at all. He seemed intent on spoofing Blade, with his cast littered with primarily comedic actors, as well as his execution of everything else in the film.

It just seems like his work on comic book based films has just been a means to an end. He's never liked the Batman films, and it just seems like, in retrospect, his work on dark, brooding comic book characters has been nothing but a means to an end, that being hired to work on a Batman movie. He even admits his focus was split between working on the Batman Begins script and directing Trinity. You can obviously see where most of his effort went.

[CHEZ]

Did anyone notice that Drake has a watch on his right wrist?
So, after several hundred years he's going to wake up and get himself a watch?
He's immortal, can walk in daylight, he very likely would not care to have a watch. Plus, I just can't see Dracula checking his watch for time. Oh well.....


Oh and one more thing, Blade did not defeat the Drake/Monster, the blind girl did, with her serum invention. Without her, Blade would not have been able to destroy Drake. So, as they say in the movie "Truth is, it starts with Blade and ends with him" If you really think about it, all Blade did was distribute a serum, he didn't create it, the blind girl did, and without it Blade wouldn't have known what to do. So, it ends with the blind girl. That stupid, lame, pathetic blind girl. A character I didn't care for one bit.

Goyer justifies this by having Drake tell Blade Ahh, I have not lost because you exist, you: the new species. He says something along those lines.
But all the vampires are destroyed, what, does he think Blade is going to create a new species of Vampire? It's over man...over!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Its unbelievable how much Goyer missed from his own two scripts, and i totally agree with all of your point Kenk, especially about Karen Jensen, it would have been great to see her again and it would have made things interesting.

[Golgo-13]

I noticed one other thing. Hannibal saids that the vamps dug drake up about six months ago in Iraq, right..... So how come Danica first goes into the vault, where Drake is feeding on those girls, as if they've just met for the first time since Drakes awakening? Had Drake been in the vault for six damn months? I don't think so. The continuity in the script is all ****ed up...



...also on the commentaries for Blade 2 & 3 Goyer and others continually complement how much better the ashing effects look on the 2nd and 3rd films...i don't agree. I think the ashing in the original Blade looks way better. In Blade 1, the ashing showed more bone detail, which looked cool. Also the ashing effect spread for the point of impact from the stake and then gradually spread to the rest of the body (a good example of this is when Blade stabs his mom). In 2 & 3, no matter what part of the body Blade stakes the vamp, it's entire body starts to ash simultaneously. I never liked that.

What do you guys think?

[deemar325]

^ I think your right on man!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I personally think the ashing effects in Blade II were the best, especially at the start, when he jumps from the building falls three stories, lands, pulls out his guns and shoots that guy, quality ashing there.

[Golgo-13]

New Line scrapped it from coming out after B: Trinity did sh!!tty at the US box office. On the actual soundtrack they have that track on there. I think its towards the end. They have some instrumental tracks on the soundtrack ass well.

Thanks, i'm listening to it right now. The track i was referring to where Blade makes his entrance in Trinity is 'Blade's Back'-it rocks!

[HighVoltage]

Why Blade Trinity Sucks?

Because David Goyer was hired by Warner/Dc to destroy Blade Franchise, That´s All.:down:down:down

[Golgo-13]

^Sounds like their plan worked.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

At least we got two great movies out of the franchise, so it isnt all bad guys and gals.

[Golgo-13]

But how could they sink so low with the last one? They already knew what worked, so why try to make a Blade/comedy movie..? The budget for Trinity was more than the other two, but did it look that way? Sure didn't to me.

The original idea for the vampire apocalypse would have been a perfect way to end an awesome franchise but instead of taking a step forward, the studio took a step back-in the quality we had grown accustomed too.

They already did the Blade teams up with thing in number 2, so why repeat that formula again...? It really saddens me what this franchise could have been, and what it became...but ultimately the damage is done. I hope the studio learns from it's mistake aboput trying to make a spin-off (Nightstalkers) movie by side-lining the main character (we paid to see Blade, in all 3 of those movies and nothing else). That's the same **** that happened to Bond with Jinx; they tried to make her his equal so they could give her her own spin-off movie and you see how Die Another Day turned out. You'd think they would have learned from that....

[KenK]

Now, it's not that I didn't like the storyline of Trinity, I just thought it was poorly executed. I loved the idea of the feds investigating Blade and the vampire nation influencing the media to go after him. I think if Goyer had really sat down and thought about it, he could have made it work, instead of turning it into an afterthought. The team-up concept of Blade 2 was reliant on the vampires needing Blade's help. I liked the idea of Blade reluctantly needing help from the Nightstalkers in Trinity, but again, it's just poorly executed. Furthermore, I think it would have been interesting to see Blade interacting with someone from the media or the feds who might not think he's a crazy psycho like everyone else. Basically, Blade Trinity could have focused on Blade really having to deal with the real world, all the while, having to contend with Dracula. I think if a few things were tweaked here and there (in addition to replacing Somerfield with Karen Jensen) there could have been a well-rounded group of supporting characters, but it would always come back to Blade, and his battle, his struggle.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, the original shooting script for BT is actually a lot better than the movie, the execution is he problem.

[deemar325]

You know what I hate? How movies like Underworld have totally stolen Blade's tone and ideas, while Blade Trinity sucked balls.

I mean even copycat franchises are doing better than the Blade franchise and now they got this 'Ultra Violet' film with Mila Jovich that is a total rip-off of Blade it looks good, but damn it! Blade deserved so much better.

[The_Guyver]

David Goyer should've written the vampire apocalypse story arc for the third film and Alex Proyas should've been hired to direct. THAT would've made for a great ending to the franchise, and the new TV show could've concentrated on Blade's earlier years instead of trying to make up for what Blade Trinity amounted to.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Even the vampire apocalypse idea would not have worked though, as it is set years in the future, and in the first one Whistler clearly stated that Blade ages like a human, so Blade would too old to fight anyone.

[deemar325]

^ Later on it was revealed that Blade is not Immortal, but ages much slower than normal.

[KenK]

^ Later on it was revealed that Blade is not Immortal, but ages much slower than normal.

What movie was that?

[deemar325]

BladeII and implied that he might just be immortal in Trinity

[Golgo-13]

^What part of Blade 2? I heard he ages like a human, but have also heard what you said, but can't remember where i heard it? In the Trinity commentary Goyer (as if his words means quat now) said Blade is immortal...

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^ Later on it was revealed that Blade is not Immortal, but ages much slower than normal.

Err, this wasnt in any of the movies, were did you get this?

[J.p1337!]

in the dvd of BT Goyer says he wanted to set the film 50 years in the future because both Blade and the Vampires are immortal so they wont age

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yes well Goyer wrote in the first film that Blade ages like a human, meaning he would be about 90 years old, 50 years in the future.

[KenK]

It would have just been a glaring contradiction on Goyer's part to have the apacolypse idea come to fruition for the third film. Mind you, Trinity was still flooded with contradictions anyway. Like I said, Goyer did a piss-poor job of acknowledging the continuity HE CREATED!!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know, how hard is it to sit down and watch the first two movies, a few times to make sure that you dont **** up on continuity, sure he was busy with BB as well, but when directing a sequel made by other directors this is essential.

[BDOUBLEO]

Snipes sighting at Martial Arts event...I found this, looks like Snipes might be interested in the Black Salt movie in development. You can see footage here of him. http://www.myspace.com/32422764 or www.blacksaltfilm.com

[deemar325]

What the hell is 'Black Salt!"?

[Golgo-13]

I checked out the link and the premise (even though secret) sounds like it could be awesome and controversial, on the level of 'Da vinci code controversial'. I would love to see Snipes in this flick...

[BDOUBLEO]

I checked out the link and the premise (even though secret) sounds like it could be awesome and controversial, on the level of 'Da vinci code controversial'. I would love to see Snipes in this flick...

I agree if done right it could definitely give Snipes a chance to shine once again but I don't think Snipes really wants to do action movies anymore but I guess if their is enough drama in the movie it could persuad him to do it or that sexy asian girl can, lol. I also just read from that the movie "Chaos" staring Jason Statham, Ryan Phillippe and Snipes is supposed to be good in the movie. I heard Snipes really did a good job on the film even though it's only a supporting role.

Check the quote http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402910/board/nest/37105344

To all,

I share in your desire to see this film and get it in the theaters. The film is very good. I think audiences will really like it. I worked for the company that made the movie but have recently left because of the insanity that it is. I am not the only one that has left in recent months.

CHAOS has been picked up by a studio and they had a tentative release date in March 2006, but the money for the advertising campaign (which was supposed to be provided by the financier) was not ready.

You are right when you say this has been the worst treatment of a film ever. The cast & crew worked very hard on the picture. Also, the studio is not to blame either. They will hopefully be its savior.

The mess up that is the release of this film has nothing to do with the quality of the picture or the studio but about the financing company. Plain and simple. It started during shooting and hasn't stopped. If you check out some of the other films by Mobius on the IMDB, you will find a trail of films that have been done for a while (with great casts) that just haven't had the chance to see the light of day.

The film has been released in several places around the world already. Usually foreign territories wait for the US release before distributing, but even they couldn't wait this guy out. Especially with Jason Statham's star rising, it made sense to release it sooner than later. That is the reason for the confusion.

I suggest you write to David Bergstein c/o Mobius Entertainment 5890 West Jefferson Blvd LA, CA 90016 or call @ (310) 202-9500. Ask him when CHAOS will be released.

[Golgo-13]

^. When is 'Chaos' due? Wesley has really been out of the lime lite lately. He really is 'The Man'.

[BDOUBLEO]

^. When is 'Chaos' due? Wesley has really been out of the lime lite lately. He really is 'The Man'.

I heard it was supposed to come in March 2006 but I think it got put on hold now. They already released the movie in parts of Europe and it doing pretty good from what I hear. I might have to write to Mobius Entertainment to see what the status of the movie here in the US but theres always a possibility that it could end up straight to video as well.

[Golgo-13]

I have another question about Blade. In the behind the scenes extras on Blade 2, it is said that Damasquinos was 5000 years old. I think Ryan Reynold's character said that Dracula himselfs age was much less...how is that possible if Dracula is the first of their kind?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, in the extended version Abi said Dracula was 6 or 7000 years old.

[KenK]

And that may just have been how long he was sleeping. His reign may have lasted centuries before that.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, no, he went to sleep after the events of Stokers book. King said the, the events described is Stoker yarn is just a piece of the mosaic, his true origins date back much, much further than that

Blade; "how much?

Abi: "Try six or seven THOUSAND years."

[Golgo-13]

I was watching Blade 2 yesterday, and am at awe at how awesome it still is. The scene at the beginning with Nomak in the bloodbank; when Nomak reveals himself and attacks that lady, i wonder if the security guard is using silver bullets when he shoots him...?

I'm presuming vamps use silver bullets against each other.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I was watching Blade 2 yesterday, and am at awe at how awesome it still is. The scene at the beginning with Nomak in the bloodbank; when Nomak reveals himself and attacks that lady, i wonder if the security guard is using silver bullets when he shoots him...?

I'm presuming vamps use silver bullets against each other.

It is indeed still a cool film. Also, it surprises me how little the special effects have actually dated, i would have thought they would have dated much more by now.

[BDOUBLEO]

It is indeed still a cool film. Also, it surprises me how little the special effects have actually dated, i would have thought they would have dated much more by now.

I agree that Blade 2 still looks good and I never get tired of it. Part 1 did not hold up that well in special efx department. Overall Blade 1 & 2 look like a theater release while Blade Trinity looks more like a TV movie.

[DarKush]

Man,
I'm not alone in my derision of Blade Trinity. I too thought that the movie would totally rock with Goyer at the helm. Blade I is slightly ahead of Blade 2 as my favorite, but Blade 2 was such a rush. I don't see how people/critics could say the franchise was tired in their reviews of Trinity until I actually saw the movie.

The Blade franchise has life in it, but it is Goyer that needed to go, or give the director chair to someone else. He took on too much.

Drake was a poorly conceived villian. I don't blame the actor for that. He did okay, with what he was given. But it was clear that Drake had no plan or goal. Deacon Frost and Damaskinos both had plans that they were trying to work, they were trying to bring evil plots to fruition. But what was Drake's purpose?

(And he had a hard act to follow in Frost, Damaskinos, and Nomak. But it could've been done, with a little work and more thought. Goyer did a great take on Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow in Batman Begins. So I know it was still in him.)

I actually liked the concept of Drake being bored with humanity, civilization and taking a deep sleep. I wished they had played that up some more and had him commenting on today's society. Goyer tried to do that, in poor fashion, with Drake's trip to the Dracula store.

(Sidenote: I think Djimon Hounsou(sp) would've been excellent in the Drake role though, and would've matched up well against Snipes.)

Back to rant...Also, why does Drake run from Blade? He is the King of Vampires? As a shapeshifter why does he use a sword to fight Blade? The final battle should've been more than a rehash of Blade I.

I also thought Danica Talos was a weak villian as well. She was more trashy than chic, and the wierd sense of humor, or line delivery didn't help her character in my eyes. She seemed more like a sidekick than a vampire determined to lead or carve a niche in the Vampire nation. Which I assumed was the reason she awakened Drake.

The cool vampire politics that was in Blade I, and at least mentioned in Blade II, was completely absent in this movie. I didn't read the novelization, and why should I have to? But I found myself imagining that Danica was resurrecting Drake in a bid to reunify the Vampire nation. I wish there had been more talk of that. Also, what happened with the divide between Pure Bloods and Half Bloods?

And the vampires were way too weak in Trinity. I can accept Hannibal King fighting them since he was a former vamp, but Abigail was kicking their asses-while wearing an IPOD, like it was nobodies business. What happened to the superior strength, quickness of Vampires in Blade I. To be fair, Karen Jensen also dispatched Mercury(?) a bit too easily, but hell, she had been through a lot and I can forgive that.

And the lack of an Abigail/Whistler scene was criminal in hindsight. I agree with another poster that the Abigail character didn't even need to be Whistler's daughter. In fact, she was only in there to be eye candy and to take a shower scene that could've better been spent on showing or action or giving Drake some nefarious plotting time.

Keep Hannibal King-I thought he played well against Blade, but replace Abigail with Karen Jensen. I think that would've made more sense. And gave some closure to the Blade/Jensen subplot. I could easily see Karen joining the Nightstalkers, and becoming one of their top scientists/Vampire experts. Her cure could've even played a hand in saving Hannibal King.

I think a lot of Trinity existed to allow Goyer to put in some cool ideas-Blood Bank, car case-that he wanted to include in the other movies, but wasn't able to.

And the extended version on the Trinity DVD was even more muddled. I tend to go with the theatrical version.

And I can see why Wesley was pissed. He's face,name, and likeness are tied to Blade. They have been his most successful string of movies, and his career would rise or fall with their success. So, I can see how he would be very sensitive to make Trinity as good as the other films. And I can also see how he would take offense to Biel and Reynolds getting more focus and development than him. In fact, Trinity being a launching pad for the Nightstalkers.

Hopefully, Goyer will be able to redeem himself with the Blade TV series. I hope he quickly wraps up the consequencs of the loose threads from Trinity, and gets back to form. What he has to remember is that people watch Blade movies to see Blade. Not the supporting cast. A good supporting cast, and especially great villians keep people watching and coming back, but initially we want to see Blade tear through something.

[Golgo-13]

^. I agree except with the fact to keep King. The humor in Trinity(if you can call it that) was too forced. The humor in Blade 2 was far more superior (especially the dialogue from Whistler, Scud and Reinhardt) because they weren't necessarily trying to be funny with each other. There is so much wrong with Trinity that i could go on about it for weeks, like:

Why did the vamps need lamps to go into the pyramid to get Dracula, can't vamps see in the dark?

[DarKush]

Golgo13,
That's a real good observation about Vamps needing lamps. I didn't even think about that. They shouldn't need lamps. But as I said in my post, Trinity really weakened the vampires, making them too easily beatable and not all that bright.

[Golgo-13]

Yeah, your right. Abigail plowed through them like they were nothing.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

When in Blade 1 and II, Abigail would have taken a severe beating before even getting close enough to kill one.

[KenK]

Yeah, your right. Abigail plowed through them like they were nothing.

To be fair, the first time we see Abigail, the vamps she's fighting probably hadn't been vampires that long, anyway. I could believe she could take them down with enough training and skill. At the end, she was fighting mostly human guards, hence all the helmets and body armor.

But yeah, her and Hannibal were just underdeveloped as characters. And if anything, Hannibal should have been the one to kill Danica for good. He just gets lucky once the plague spreads. It would have been fun to see him stake her, or blow off her head or something.

Somerfield's the one who should have been replaced with Karen Jensen, if they needed a character who was up on vampire biology and genetics. Karen was a Hematologist, for crying out loud!! That's what I don't understand about Goyer, he creates these characters and the thought doesn't cross his mind, "maybe this would be a good time to bring back Karen Jensen!" It's all but confirmed at the end of the first Blade that she refines his serum, why wouldn't she be the one to develope the new inhaler? Even if you couldn't get back N'bushe Wright, recast, dammit!! I mean, Natasha Lyone's casting in this film so misses the mark, they had to ADR her death scream with another woman, 'cause homegirl's voice was all jacked up from smoking!!

[Bishop2]

I think Blade has been the most consistent of the Marvel movie franchises. You have your X-Men and X2, your Daredevil/Elektra, your Spidey films.... and then the Blade trilogy, and for me, the one that's most consistently retained the highest quality is Blade. I love 'em all, though I'd rank the first one last and the second one first at this point.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I wouldnt say they are the most consistent, if X3 turns out even half as good as X2 then that will be the best superhero trilogy hands down until Spidey 3 comes along at least. I would say that the Blade Trilogy is underrated though, even though Trinity was a bad entry.

[KenK]

Well, the third film of most comic book franchises are when things seem to head downward. And if you notice, it's always because they try to force some comedic element:

*Superman III - Richard Pryor?!?
*Batman Forever - Jim Carrey. . . .as the Riddler!!
*Blade Trinity - Van Wilder, Patton Oswald, and two members of the Christopher Guest troupe (Parkey Posey and John Michael Higgins).

The shoehorning of humor played an integral role in killing all of these franchises. Surely, there were other factors, but where the humor is concerned, it would indicate that the filmmakers no longer took the franchises seriously. Their mentality possibly being, "the story doesn't need to be THAT great. The audience loved 'em the first and second times, just throw a joke in here and there to fill in the gaps. I can't only hope this won't be the case with X3.

[Bishop2]

Parker Posey didn't play it comedic, although Higgins SUCKED in Trinity.

I like Trinity more than the first one at this point, actually. Mostly because it's so hard to stomach certain elements of the finale/special effects in the first movie.

And as for X-Men... well, I've always been disappointed that they didn't focus on new, different team members in the second one, so I was never very happy with that film. Instead, they once again handed the film over to Wolverine. I liked having a couple of focal characters in the first one, but I expected the focus to change with each entry. It's a team superhero franchise, not a Wolverine franchise. Now that they're talking about doing a Wolverine spinoff, I wonder if they somehow failed to notice that Wolverine's already had two (likely three) movies.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Watched Blade I again the other day and it still is a good movie, but II will always be the pinnacle of this trilogy for me.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Watched the first Blade movie for the first time in a long time tonight and you know what? Its still pretty damn awesome, 2 is still the best for me, but 1 hasnt aged no were near as much as I thought it would have. The first 2 movies are just totally awesome, shame the 3rd ****ed it up a bit but at least its still watchable, unlike the dreadful X3 IMO.

[E-Man]

The first two Blade movies will always go down as some of the best martial arts action. I look at them like old school Asian martial art films. Those things still look good no matter how good technology gets, because it's just pure choreography at it's best. I feel the same way with the first two Blade movies. Sure the blood effects are dated, but Snipes kicking ass will always be gold because he is the man. As for Blade: Trinity............I'm just going to think positive thoughts. Blade 1 & 2 FTW!:woot:


I really wish that they come out with an animated movie with Snipes as the voice. The man breathed so much into the character, and I think he deserves one last go round. I think an animated short would be a great way to do the character some justice. I want to see an Afro Samurai style Blade. Make it happen Marvel!:yay:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I think a fourth movie that finishes the story properly would be more appropriate. That Apocolypse one that Goyer wrote sounds like an amazing idea, especially now Snipes is older and could pull off a run down Blade well. Would be a great way to close out the franchise.

[E-Man]

^I think a fourth movie that finishes the story properly would be more appropriate. That Apocolypse one that Goyer wrote sounds like an amazing idea, especially now Snipes is older and could pull off a run down Blade well. Would be a great way to close out the franchise.
In a perfect world that would make a ton of sense. But something just tells me Marvel has had it's fill of live action Blade for awhile. I don't think they'll dust off Blade for another movie until about 15 years from now when Hollywood scratches it off the "remake list." Hopefully I'm wrong. I really want to see Wesley do something with Blade again.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I think you are right, Blade just doesnt seem to be on the agenda at the moment, which is a shame, as I can only really see Snipes in the role and very soon he will simply be too old.

[Rac]

I really like the first two films. It's sad that Goyer had to ruin the third one. Someone else should have directed it. It's still somewhat watchable, but you know, it's not really good.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Its better than X-Men 3 at least, but yeah, another director should have been chosen. The action was a big step down in Blade 3, pretty much everything else was too.

[dude love]

The first two Blade movies will permanantely have a soft spot in my heart. Blade II might even be in my top 10. They're just too damned cool.

Trinity sucks copious amounts of ass. They killed Whister, which was a sin they where smart enough to undo in II. Drakeula was a German night club bouncer, when in reality they should've Coppola's/Oldman's Dracula as a basis. Blade was like third fiddle behind the Nightstalkers. It was a disgrace.

Once Wesley's legal problems clear up Blade IV should be his comeback.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Agreed about Blade II, it is such a cool CB movie and the dialogue is priceless.

[The Chris]

I really dig Blade I and II. II in particular, Del Toro is just such an imaginative master. The action, the obvious fun Wesley was having making it, the look and feel of it, those freaky ass reapers.

Blade Trinity, what the hell happened! Well, Goyer's script just need to be directed by others, because his directing stinks (the Unborn is even worse than this) Like dude said, Blade's tossed to the side for the nightstalkers (one who's hot but boring and the other is a constantly annoying blabbermouth) Oh and the third film doesn't have one thing that both Blade and Blade II have. It doesn't have a good villain. Dude's on the money.

[Rac]

^Its better than X-Men 3 at least,
It is. I can't stand The Last Stand (teehee), but Trinity I've actually seen twice (TC and DC. DC's actually lil better). While it's a bad film, it's not a complete ****. Don't think I'll watch it for the third time though.

but yeah, another director should have been chosen.
Didn't Snipes want to choose the director but then New Line ****ed him over? I wonder who he had in mind... I know del Toro was offered the gig, but he turned it down 'cause of Hellboy.

[E-Man]

I know I'm going to get massive amounts of debris tossed at me for this, but this is a Blade thread so.........I liked Blade 1 and 2 better than The Dark Knight. *ducks and runs out of thread*

[Chris Wallace]

Then you must still chuckle when Scud refers to Blade as the Dark Knight.

[Rac]

TDK is overly overrated anyway...

[E-Man]

I think it's overrated too. I love the film, but it got a little out of hand in terms of hype. It lived up to the hype before people started acting like every comic film was Batman & Robin before TDK came along. Besides Snipes played a better Blade than Bale as Bruce/Batman, and the fight scenes for TDK was terrible. It's still one of my favorite films though. It's just that Blade 1 and 2 were more fun and consistent. Blade 1 also has the greatest line ever uttered on film....."Some muther****ers are always trying to ice skate up hill.":woot:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It is. I can't stand The Last Stand (teehee), but Trinity I've actually seen twice (TC and DC. DC's actually lil better). While it's a bad film, it's not a complete ****. Don't think I'll watch it for the third time though.

I have sat through both multiple times, and can comfortable say Blade 3 is better.


Didn't Snipes want to choose the director but then New Line ****ed him over? I wonder who he had in mind... I know del Toro was offered the gig, but he turned it down 'cause of Hellboy.

I cant really remember now, I believe Snipes was happy with the director choice at first.

I think it's overrated too. I love the film, but it got a little out of hand in terms of hype. It lived up to the hype before people started acting like every comic film was Batman & Robin before TDK came along. Besides Snipes played a better Blade than Bale as Bruce/Batman, and the fight scenes for TDK was terrible. It's still one of my favorite films though. It's just that Blade 1 and 2 were more fun and consistent. Blade 1 also has the greatest line ever uttered on film....."Some muther****ers are always trying to ice skate up hill.":woot:

Its over-rated, but still an amazing movie, the first 2 Blade movies are great in a different way, thats all.

[Matt Mortem]

yeah I was fine with Dracula being the villian in Blade 3, but it should have at least been the Tomb of Dracula Dracula. Someon cold and old fashioned and just ****ing sick as ****

[nathaniel]

Blade 1/2 Shows imo the depth of the Marvel back catolouge regarding heroes sure they have the big guns of Spidey and wolverine but to take a forgotten semi 70s blaxploitation hero and bring him bang up to date in an amazing CBM shows what can be done with Marvels lesser characters Iron Man is another example,yes, he is far more well known but he is in essence a 2nd tier character but faverou brought us one of the best CBM ever.

I just hope if they reboot Daredevil they show the same love i would also love to see Cloak and Dagger who are a very interesting but very lesser known team i remember reading when i was younger.

[Rac]

i would also love to see Cloak and Dagger who are a very interesting but very lesser known team i remember reading when i was younger.
Cloak and Dagger movie could work. But it kinda needs to be R.

[Stay_Puft]

I might be the only one who thinks Blade Trinity is solid. How anyone didn't like Reynold's in the film is beyond me, ****, it's partially why he was chosen for Deadpool in the new Wolverine. His mouth, (however I've been a fan of dude since 2 Guys, A Girl and a Pizza Place) and the RZA's music blended nicely with the film (being a hip hop head also helped). I enjoyed it all and couldn't have been more pleased

bring on Blade 4

[Rac]

How anyone didn't like Reynold's in the film is beyond me, ****, it's partially why he was chosen for Deadpool in the new Wolverine. His mouth blended nicely with the film
I believe some people would have preferred comic accurate Hannibal King who is not deadpool-like mouthy character.

:cwink:

[nathaniel]

Cloak and Dagger movie could work. But it kinda needs to be R.

Yeah i would love it to be kind of view of the world of drugs but with the fantasy vigilante element of the main characters it would have to be 18 or R (or whatever the high age rating is now) the drugs scenes would have to be harrowing and unsettling as a result.

[dude love]

I know I'm going to get massive amounts of debris tossed at me for this, but this is a Blade thread so.........I liked Blade 1 and 2 better than The Dark Knight. *ducks and runs out of thread*

Blade > Batman and Reinhardt > Joker. :ninja:

[Stay_Puft]

I believe some people would have preferred comic accurate Hannibal King who is not deadpool-like mouthy character.

:cwink:

yea, but if they were going to switch his character up, this was the way to do it. Come on, Reynold's is just Godlike and too likeable to not enjoy his quips.
"What does one Lesbian Vampire say to the other Lesbian Vampire".........."See you in 28 Days"

"Do you EVER blink"?......."Sorry, I've had too much sugar this morning"

"YOU MADE A GOD DAMN VAMPIRE POMERANIAN?"

"Only this vampire's fangs are located in her Vagina"

seriously, the guys hilarious (in my eyes at least) and made the film that much more enjoyable

[Matt Mortem]

I believe some people would have preferred comic accurate Hannibal King who is not deadpool-like mouthy character.

:cwink:
I enjoyed Ryan Reynolds, he made me chuckle, but they shouldn't have named him Hannibal King. I would have loved a more accurate Hannibal King

[DarKush]

I'm sure I've commented on this before. I liked Reynolds in Trinity. I liked the back and forth with Blade, one of the few bright spots. As hot as Jessica Biel is, I thought she was unnecessary. I would've rather had Reynolds and Blade in a kind of buddy movie, both applying their different styles to the Dracula problem. Perhaps it could've led to Blade becoming a mentor of sorts to King, a new role for him to play after Whistler's death.

Reynolds wasn't the problem with Trinity, nor was the guy playing Drake. However, the way Goyer used the Drake/Dracula character was lame. He was supposed to be super badass, with shape-shifting abilities and all he did was run away from Blade and then sword fight him. Now perhaps he was just testing Blade during the chase scene, and seeing himself as a great warrior, he wanted to best Blade in swordplay, but it seemed like Dracula was 'lowering' himself. Why not make Blade fight on his level instead of acting like he had something to prove to Blade?

Also, what was Dracula's motivation? What was his endgame?

I hated Danica Talos and her gang. They were really weak. Parker Posey's weird mannerisms/delivery were off-putting. Grimwood had potential, but I wish he had been the leader or at least rolled with a better, more competent crew. Both Frost's guys and the Bloodpack would've smoked the Talos group in two seconds.

It seems strange that they didn't have any scenes with Abigail and Whistler, and why wasn't anyone raising more alarms when the dead 'Whistler' showed up at the Nightstalker compound. Which reminds me how lame this set of Nightstalkers were, with the one black member of course being the one who stole cars. But to be fair, I did like some things in Trinity: Hannibal King, Grimwood, Drake's demonic form, the dogs with the Reaper-strain, the idea to frame Blade and bringing in the FBI. I just wish the story had been better.

Blade Trinity was like a reversion of the franchise. It existed for Goyer to put in the 'cool' scenes that had been left out of the other movies and to launch the Nightstalkers. In a way, I'm glad that it failed, because it should've taught him to keep the focus on Blade. Unfortunately, he didn't quite learn that lesson because Blade took a backseat to Krista in Blade the Series, one of the reasons I feel doomed the show from the start.

But the first two Blade films were awesome. The Goyer-Snipes collaboration made vampires cool and modern again. The Underworld films, among others, owe the Blade franchise a lot. It's still one of the few times that a movie was better than the source material. So far, the Blade comics still can't find the magic that Goyer and Snipes did over a decade ago. Though I hope they continue trying to find it.

I'm iffy about Blade being in the MI:13 book, but at least it keeps him active and it builds on his character development with his budding romance, something Goyer seemed afraid to explore in the movies/TV show.

Despite my disappointment with some aspects of Trinity and Blade the Series I would like to see a wrap up of some kind to the series, perhaps in comic book form. And I would like to see Blade grace the silver screen again, preferably with Snipes, but if not him, maybe Michael Jai White.

[E-Man]

Great breakdown DarKush. Cool name too btw. I agree with your points on Reynolds and Drake. Hannibal King wasn't a bad character, and he did add some life to the movie. He got annoying at times though, and I think alot of that had to do with the script and directing. Dracula/Drake was just a sad sad case. What they did to him was like having Apocalypse reanimated to become a background member to some random mutant clique. Dracula should have been a beast on an apocalyptic level. It would have really shown more of Blade's hero side. Instead they just made both background characters. Trinity didn't just miss the point of the Blade series, it missed the point and flew off a cliff Wile E. Coyote style. Then the series just.........:csad:

It's one thing I don't get with Marvel and Blade. It's like they don't know how to use the character or something. In terms of live action they ignored the things that made the character stand out. Then on the comics level they just don't seem to give a damn. It shouldn't be hard to get a good artist on Blade with a writer that gives a damn. Just continue where Blade 2 left off, and ignore Trinity and the series. A Blade comic should be a consistent Marvel seller with the fanbase that Blade has.The same people who made the debut of the TV series will show up if you do it right. Come on Marvel you're better than this.

[DarKush]

Thanks E-Man, but I've got to give credit to sci-fi writer Steven Barnes for the name. It's the name of his blogsite.

I agree with you on Drake. But I could tell the movie was in trouble during the commercials, when it said something like Blade has defeated their gods, defeated their demons....I mean, after you defeat the vampire god, what's left? They should've totally made Drake a beast, someone that actually put some fear into Blade. Nomak backed Blade up, but I wanted Drake to actually make Blade have to rethink a few things...but of course never give up.

Though I disagree with you about ignoring the TV show. I think there were parts of it that were good. The continued exploration of the vampire houses-one of my favorite parts of the first Blade film. Marcus was a good, suave villain. Charlotte was creepy, so was the White Prince. Chase was my girl, a real ride or die chick. They didn't do much with Frantz (?), but he had the potential to have been an interesting sidekick. I liked Bokeem Woodbine as Steppin' Razor too.

Also, I liked Shen. I thought he matched up well with Sticky's Blade, and probably would with Wesley too. Krista wasn't a bad character, nor was the actress portraying her, my problem with her was they made her the main character. I would've perferred that Blade be more of a mentor/guide to her, a Batman-Robin type deal. Bringing Blade's father in was a good thing too.

Of course, I didn't like Blade taking a backseat to Krista, I didn't like Blade getting his ass kicked by random vamps, and I didn't like Blade being a stagnant character on his own show.

On to the comics...I agree with you. I've said in other posts that Marvel seems hellbent on hanging on to Blade's continuity and trying to fit aspects of the more successful movies into it, instead of the other way around. I became a fan of Blade after the movies and I would've preferred reading comics more based on the films. I think the films gave Marvel a chance to completely reimagine the Blade universe based on the popular movies. Perhaps that would've brought more fans in and kept them there. If there were enough fans of the old Blade stories he wouldn't have been a D-List character. By reimagining Blade, perhaps Marvel could've satisified old fans and new ones, by keeping the old characters and some of the storylines but putting a fresh twist on them.

Also, I agree that Marvel don't know what to do with him since the movies came out. It should be simple. A hardcore book on the MAX imprint, with blood, bullets, swords, and sex. Use the Punisher series as an inspiration. Instead they seem intent on doing dumb stuff like giving him a gun on the stump of his hand. Or silly haircuts like he's sporting in MI:13. It's almost a crime that Howard Chaykin, who wrote an excellent vampire series, Bite Club, didn't bring that creativity to his run on Blade's last series.

I want them to explore his humanity more. There's been too much focus on his vampiric side. One way to do that is to get Blade laid. Give him someone to care for, to fight for, to die for, something tangible and understandable to protect. I give Guggenheim credit for finally starting to do that in MI:13 though he couldn't do it when he was solely writing the Blade series.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I love the Blade films, honestly., The 1st and second especially, but the third was okay. Ryan Reynold's was hilarious in it, lol.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I watched the 3rd today and its main problem was, as others have pointed out, the sidelining of what should have been the 2 main characters, Blade and Drake. Drake was just appalling, a total non threat compared to Frost and Nomak.

To make him a threat they have him raid a vampire shop and kill 2 people, he should have had a much better scene establishing him as a threat than this. One idea I had would have been him going to a vampire club like Blade did in the first 2 movies, but taking out all of the vampires in the club with NO weapons, just literally tearing them apart with their bare hands a lot quicker and more brutal than Blade did. THIS would have set Drake up as a major threat before the end battle with Blade, which also needed to be a lot better as well.

Trinity is a significant step down from the first 2, though not as much as X3 was to X1 and X2.

[E-Man]

Agree with you Kush on Blade's continuity. No one cares about his comic continuity except for a few fans, and they'd probably be so thrilled to see Blade again that they won't care if he's the movie version instead of the old teakwood dagger wielder. They've gotten rid of the corny costume, glasses, and daggers, but they haven't made him the badass that he was in the movies. Even in the short MAX series he had he was a little limited. The Wolverine fight would've been the perfect time to show Blade as a real threat, but he whips out a syringe with vampire blood.:huh: Like I said before, I wish they got a damn good artist, and a writer that will stick with things from the movie Blade that was an unstoppable force save for two great villains.

Jamon your Drake idea is pretty good, but I'd personally alter one thing. Instead of Drake going to a vampire club I'd have Drake take out a military base or something similar. I'd just have Drake not give a damn, and he'd start armageddon by just killing the strongest warriors on the planet(i.e. Marines, Navy SEALS, FBI bases, etc.) This would have given a chance to play into the government tracking down Blade as they would go from tracking him to needing his help to stop Drake. I'd have them arm him up with their best weapons against Drake and his growing legion of vampire followers. Blade would do well killing all the normal vamps with his new weapons until he gets to Drake. After exausting the military weapons Blade goes back to his trusty katana, and he fights Drake using his old style. I'd throw in the corny but cool shades scene in there, and Blade would kill Drake after a long drawn out battle. The government gos to thank him, but they can't find Blade since he vanished with Whistler.

[Punisher Rising]

Never read any Blade comics and only saw the first and third movies. I enjoyed them both and want to see Blade II when I can find it.

[E-Man]

Never read any Blade comics and only saw the first and third movies. I enjoyed them both and want to see Blade II when I can find it.
Do you have any bookstores around your town that carry used DVDs like Half Price Books or Hastings? You can find Blade 2 there really cheap. I've seen some used DVDs of Blade 2 for as low as 3 bucks, and they were in good shape with no scratches. If you have a Hastings near you try it out. You can find so many deals on movies, comics, CDs, and video games.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Agree with you Kush on Blade's continuity. No one cares about his comic continuity except for a few fans, and they'd probably be so thrilled to see Blade again that they won't care if he's the movie version instead of the old teakwood dagger wielder. They've gotten rid of the corny costume, glasses, and daggers, but they haven't made him the badass that he was in the movies. Even in the short MAX series he had he was a little limited. The Wolverine fight would've been the perfect time to show Blade as a real threat, but he whips out a syringe with vampire blood.:huh: Like I said before, I wish they got a damn good artist, and a writer that will stick with things from the movie Blade that was an unstoppable force save for two great villains.

Jamon your Drake idea is pretty good, but I'd personally alter one thing. Instead of Drake going to a vampire club I'd have Drake take out a military base or something similar. I'd just have Drake not give a damn, and he'd start armageddon by just killing the strongest warriors on the planet(i.e. Marines, Navy SEALS, FBI bases, etc.) This would have given a chance to play into the government tracking down Blade as they would go from tracking him to needing his help to stop Drake. I'd have them arm him up with their best weapons against Drake and his growing legion of vampire followers. Blade would do well killing all the normal vamps with his new weapons until he gets to Drake. After exausting the military weapons Blade goes back to his trusty katana, and he fights Drake using his old style. I'd throw in the corny but cool shades scene in there, and Blade would kill Drake after a long drawn out battle. The government gos to thank him, but they can't find Blade since he vanished with Whistler.

To be honest, I doubt they had the budget for this, which is why the club idea would be more appropriate, IMO of course. Not only would it set up Drake as an unbelievable threat, but it would also show more of his disdain at how far vampires have 'fallen' since his time.

Never read any Blade comics and only saw the first and third movies. I enjoyed them both and want to see Blade II when I can find it.

Dude, go out and buy Blade II right now, the effects are a little dated, but believe me you will enjoy yourself.

[DarKush]

I think the idea of Drake taking out a military base would've been pretty cool. If there was a money crunch, how about you get rid of at least Jessica Biel, Parker Posey and most of her crew (keep Triple H), remove the car chase at the beginning and the blood bank scene and you might have enough money to do something like E-Man was proposing.

I third picking up Blade 2. I also am one of the few people who liked Blade and Blade 2 better than The Dark Knight. I don't really warm to Nolan's Batfilms until I watch them the second time. But both Blade films grabbed me the first time and didn't let go.

[E-Man]

I forgot about the money thing, and I don't know what it would take to film a scene like that. I figured it would be like when Nomak stormed the vampire headquarters. Nomak already was a badass in my mind, but that just amped it up several levels. Drake should've been that type of badass, but instead he runs away from Blade with a baby as his hostage.

[DarKush]

I agree that Drake was insufficiently badass, no fault of Dominic Purcell. I think he could've done the job with a better script.

I mean Drake is a daywalker and the progenitor of the entire vampire race. He should've been a force of nature. But he runs from Blade, takes a visit to a vampire store, tries to scare a little kid, and then loses the only battle he has with Blade. What a waste.

[Hypestyle]

...ah.. if only marvel could sever the ties with New Line, and begin anew with marvel films.. a cameo.. then another film.. Talk to Wes.. he needs the money..

[BDOUBLEO]

I third picking up Blade 2. I also am one of the few people who liked Blade and Blade 2 better than The Dark Knight. I don't really warm to Nolan's Batfilms until I watch them the second time. But both Blade films grabbed me the first time and didn't let go.

That's some of my issues with the Nolan's Batman movies the fights are not good due to the camera angles, they are too close and makes it hard to follow the action. First 2 Blade movies can go head to head with any action movie out there even today.

[Hellion]

Are any of the films on BLu yet?

[SymbioticToxin]

I've never seen the first one, but I've seen Blade II. Trinity was just lame
Drake was alright, but everything else was lame IMO

[Eric Brooks]

I might be the only one who thinks Blade Trinity is solid. How anyone didn't like Reynold's in the film is beyond me, ****, it's partially why he was chosen for Deadpool in the new Wolverine. His mouth, (however I've been a fan of dude since 2 Guys, A Girl and a Pizza Place) and the RZA's music blended nicely with the film (being a hip hop head also helped). I enjoyed it all and couldn't have been more pleased

bring on Blade 4

here I am agreeing with you again

been happening all day

[SymbioticToxin]

I didn't read it till now (sorry, I;m lazy when it comes to reading sometimes). Reynolds was half and half though in Trinity. The way he acted, behaved, and talked was what kinda helped make the movie bad, but it also made it enjoyable and helped Reynolds get his role as Deadpool.

[Hellion]

I didn't read it till now (sorry, I;m lazy when it comes to reading sometimes). Reynolds was half and half though in Trinity. The way he acted, behaved, and talked was what kinda helped make the movie bad, but it also made it enjoyable and helped Reynolds get his role as Deadpool.

Reynolds was Reynolds in a Blade FIlm this time...thats what ruined it for me...

[cerealkiller182]

I think thats the way most feel. Reynolds was great for what the script called for, but he wasnt a good Hannibal and he wasnt a good for a Blade movie.

[E-Man]

I think you guys should check out the Sins of the Father one shot that Marvel put out before the first Blade movie. That is the closest comic depiction to the movies I've ever seen. They still list his "powers" as the retarded immunity to vampire bite nonsense, but his fighting skills suggest more. It's not the best thing in the world, but it was a good read.

[Ace of Knaves]

Love the Blade films...mostly.

Trinity was alright I suppose. But Snipes seemed I dunno, jaded or uninterested at that point. I think his on set troubles with Reynolds came through in his performance, he clearly doesn't like being over shadowed. And I suppose you can't blame him, it's his franchise.

The best thing about it IMO was the chemistry between Reynolds and Posey. ****ing hilarious.

[DarKush]

I guess Reynolds and Posey had a chemistry, but Posey really annoyed me in Trinity. She just wasn't threatening at all. She and her crew were so lightweight they were laughable. So far, they were the weakest crew of the all the movies and the TV show.

I liked Reynolds, as previously stated, but thought Biel's performance was nonexistent. If she was just supposed to be eye candy they should've given her more revealing outfits or something. Even the unnecessary shower scene was chaste.

I think with Trinity Goyer bit off more than he could chew, directing and screenwriting while also working on Batman Begins and you can tell where most of his creative juices went. I also think he made a mistake trying to use Trinity as a launching pad for the Nightstalker film. At least close out the Blade movies with some dignity and foes worthy of Blade.

[Golgo-13]

Yeah, Trinity had the biggest budget of all the Blade films yet looks wise, it looked the cheapest. Biel and Reynolds straight sucked...in fact the entire cast sucked. The Nightstalker were a joke; Parker Posey and her Goons were a Joke, the only decent things about the movie was Snipes and Kristofessen.

[BDOUBLEO]

Yeah, Trinity had the biggest budget of all the Blade films yet looks wise, it looked the cheapest. Biel and Reynolds straight sucked...in fact the entire cast sucked. The Nightstalker were a joke; Parker Posey and her Goons were a Joke, the only decent things about the movie was Snipes and Kristofessen.

Pretty much how I feel about the movie. Haven't seen since I purchased the DVD to complete my Blade movie collection. Imagine what Del Toro would of done with the extra budget? if they would of waited for him to work on Blade 3. As been said before Goyer needs his chin/pen checked when he is writing and directing, Snipes was calling him out for it but in Hollywood terms he's being difficult to work with or a method actor.

[Punisher RULES]

Finally watched all three movies after seeing bits and pieces of them on cable over the years and I really enjoyed all three. Flaws and all.

The first movie was awesome. It's what it needed to be and played more "Matrix" than it did superhero movie. Smart move.

I didn't enjoy Blade 2 as much as I thought I would. Perlman's relationship with Snipe's in the movie was great but it felt a lot like HBII but that's just me.

Trinity wasn't horrible but was the weakest of the three, I'd say. Reynolds maybe could have used a little less of that humor of his but I found myself wanting to see more of him in the end. Go figure. Overall it was just okay but the ending was extremely weak.

Overall they're awesome flicks. Flaws and all.

[Eric Brooks]

Overall they're awesome flicks. Flaws and all.

That they are

[Punisher RULES]

I enjoyed it so much that the next day I placed an order for the Blade by Guggenheim/Chaykin trade.

[Eric Brooks]

I enjoyed so much that the next day I placed an order for the Blade by Guggenheim/Chaykin trade.

you're a smart man, I have both of those as well. Haven't read them yet though, but I have them :cwink:

[E-Man]

According to the front page, Stephen Norrington and Stephen Dorff are looking to create a Deacon Frost prequel.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=8483

The Sunday Mail (http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/lifestyle/lifestyle-catchall/2008/10/12/stehpen-dorff-to-star-in-blade-trilogy-spin-off-78057-20795553/) reported in October of 2008 that Blade director Stephen Norrington and Stephen Dorff (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=8483#), who played villain Deacon Frost in the film, were working on a prequel trilogy.

"It will be a prequel to the 'Blade' movies, Deacon's story," Dorff said then, "It's a new trilogy the director has created. It will cool.

"We hope to shoot the first film next year. Frost is a character I have never been able to shake."

Norrington has confirmed the news to Comics2Film (http://www.mania.com/exclusive-blade-spinoff-works_article_116014.html), saying the project is "not exactly how the article describes but close."

The director credits Dorff with coming up with the idea for the new project, which "has evolved into a very interesting story... The linkage to 'Blade' is still big in the equation."

The original Blade, which starred Wesley Snipes (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=8483#), earned $131.2 million at the worldwide box office and was followed by two sequels. Norrington hasn't directed a film since 2003's The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

I'm meh about this. On one hand Deacon was a great villain. On the other I really haven't been clamoring to see the guy again, much less for a whole movie as the protagonist. If they're going to go back and do a prequel, why not a Blade movie when he first started out? Dorff did a pretty good job as Frost though, so if this sees the light of day he might make it worthwhile.

[Eric Brooks]

as a hardcore Blade fan, .........PASS

I don't think anybody wants an entire movie let alone a trilogy based on Deacon Frost. Sure he was a "decent" villain but he wasn't great IMO

without Blade it's nothing

E-Man; you are correct, a prequel involving blade's origins is much more fitting

[Lighthouse]

So is he doing The Crow, or this? Actually, I guess it doesn't matter since both projects sound like awful ideas.

[E-Man]

There's talk of doing another Crow? I love the first movie, but they've done too much to ruin the franchise since then. They should just let the franchise go, because I don't see too much good coming from it anymore.

[Devil]

It will be a cool idea if they put the Blade origins in it. And it's cool if the story is narrated by the frontside of Deacon Frost.

But without Blade it's not so fascinating.

[Matt Mortem]

This seems like a piss poor idea, worse than a Venom movie. Honestly, I liked Frost in the first Blade film, he was great, but Frost isn't big enough a character to hold a movie. Straight to Video, that's how I see this.

[chamber-music]

I liked Dorffs Frost he was charismatic but I don't think the character can carry a whole movie let alone a trilogy.

I think a movie from a villains side of things would be intresting but I don't think Deacon Frost is that villain and the fact that the character is still the most popular of his career is kind of sad because there wasn't much to the role.

[Symbiotic]

I agree with what's been said. Loved Dorff as Frost, but a "Blade Origins: Frost" (that's what I'm calling it :o) seems like a bad idea.

[The Guard]

You know...anything to prevent a remake of THE CROW.

[E-Man]

I actually think that if a movie was centered around a Blade villain, Nomak would be a better choice than Frost. Frost is cool, but his story is pretty much already told. He was turned, he did his own thing, and he became a top badass. Nomak on the other hand was created, and we didn't see his introduction into the world. By the time we first saw him,he was already doing his thing. With his fighting skills and mysterious introduction into the world, I think he can carry a movie better than Frost. I'm not saying that I want to see a Nomak movie. I'm just saying that I think he'd be a better choice than Frost.

Now Drake by theory should be the perfect choice for a villain movie, but we don't want to go down that path after seeing what he turned into. What he's supposed to be could be a cool as Legacy of Kain type movie, but no sense wishing for it now. Just give us another Blade movie and do something with the franchise before it gets stale.

[Golgo-13]

Deacon Frost prequel?................."Ah NO" :o

For the simple fact that most of these prequel films they're making these days seems to screw up the damn continuity of the films they're supposed to be prequels too. Like it's too much work for the film makers to go back and look at the originals films and write their prequels based off of that. :cmad;

Anyhow, Blade and Frost FIRST meet in Blade 1, hence the line "Finally nice to meet you man" or whatever Frost said in Chinatown. So they can't meet if Blade is in the prequels. Anyhow, No Snipes...no go!

[chamber-music]

Deacon Frost prequel?................."Ah NO" :o

Anyhow, Blade and Frost FIRST meet in Blade 1, hence the line "Finally nice to meet you man" or whatever Frost said in Chinatown. So they can't meet if Blade is in the prequels. Anyhow, No Snipes...no go!

Yep unless they are gonna show Blade kicking Quinn's ass and then Quinn running back to Frost to tell him Blade cut off his Arm/Leg/Ear this week there is nothing they can really show.

[Hypestyle]

curious.. can't say i'm all that interested in a frost-centric vampire story, though.. I suppose it may be part of the post-Twilight zeitgeist or something.. I'd still rather see Marvel get the rights back and have Blade in some cameos in the future Marvel Studios films..

[Spade]

It's a terribad idea for a prequel. The Blade movies were never amazing, but at least the first one has the distinction of igniting the superhero craze. Leave it at that.

P.S. Actors act. Screenwriters pitch stories. Don't confuse the two.

[Eric Brooks]

It's a terribad idea for a prequel. The Blade movies were never amazing, but at least the first one has the distinction of igniting the superhero craze. Leave it at that.

P.S. Actors act. Screenwriters pitch stories. Don't confuse the two.

the second Blade was a masterpiece. Del Toro at the helm, plus you had Ron Pearlman (LOVE the scene when Blade punks him out)

[Spade]

Blade 2 was better, but it has the same problem as most of the Del Toro films I've seen: eye-popping visuals coupled with an average storyline.

[topdog1]

This seems like a piss poor idea, worse than a Venom movie. Honestly, I liked Frost in the first Blade film, he was great, but Frost isn't big enough a character to hold a movie. Straight to Video, that's how I see this.

This is a bad idea (but I think Venom is a good idea so...)

This smells an awful lot like the Underworld prequel that flopped earlier this year.

Blade 2 was more in the horror genre but that didn't make it a better film, just more twisted.

[Lord Blackbolt]

a prequel trilogy is pushing it. I'd rather see a Blade origin film. How he surived on the streets and how Whistler found him and trained him.

This is just Dorff wanting to reclaim some kind of fame again. The guy hasn't had a hit since Blade...and Public enemies doesn't count cause he aint the main star.

[BDOUBLEO]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/07/0707_wesley_snipes_getty_88881231.jpg

I saw some images of Snipes at MJJ's memorial today. So it's good to know Snipes is not locked down for his tax issues yet. To keep it Blade related. MJ was supposed to be in Blade 2, was supposed to be a vampire Pimp but during the time the movie was shooting Jackson had to promote his album and wasn't able to make it to Prauge. I got the info from the Blade 2 commentary with Goyer & Snipes.

[Lord Blackbolt]

is snipes still gonna do that james brown bio movie?

[E-Man]

I saw some images of Snipes at MJJ's memorial today. So it's good to know Snipes is not locked down for his tax issues yet. To keep it Blade related. MJ was supposed to be in Blade 2, was supposed to be a vampire Pimp but during the time the movie was shooting Jackson had to promote his album and wasn't able to make it to Prauge. I got the info from the Blade 2 commentary with Goyer & Snipes.

What?:wow:

[Eric Brooks]

What?:wow:

glad THAT didn't go down

[BDOUBLEO]

What?:wow:

If you look at the extra scenes that got cut out of the dvd when Blade and Nyssa are walking around in the House of Pain in the different Rooms. MJJ was supposed to be that guy Nyssa walked in on. I think it could of worked with Del Toro but not with Goyer directing, lol.

[Hypestyle]

too bad mike didn't get to do that cameo.. the whole audience would have howled.. heh-heh...

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, as others have said, dont really see a point in a Frost prequel, let alone 3 of them, it just isnt worth it and wouldnt involve Blade, only his birth really.

As someone else pointed out also, Nomak would be a far better candidate than Frost for a prequel. We pretty much got to know everything about Frost in Blade.

[Eric Brooks]

too bad mike didn't get to do that cameo.. the whole audience would have howled.. heh-heh...

more like the audience would have stood up and walked out

[E-Man]

If MJ had a cameo, then the movie would've been even bigger at the box office. People always watched Michael Jackson. I'm glad that didn't happen though. I'd have a hard time believing MJ to be a vampire in the Blade world.

[Golgo-13]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/07/0707_wesley_snipes_getty_88881231.jpg

I saw some images of Snipes at MJJ's memorial today. So it's good to know Snipes is not locked down for his tax issues yet. To keep it Blade related. MJ was supposed to be in Blade 2, was supposed to be a vampire Pimp but during the time the movie was shooting Jackson had to promote his album and wasn't able to make it to Prauge. I got the info from the Blade 2 commentary with Goyer & Snipes.

Yeah i remember hearing that on the commentary. Too bad Goyer and Snipes had a falling out. They sounded like they had great chemistry on the commentary.

[Eric Brooks]

If MJ had a cameo, then the movie would've been even bigger at the box office. People always watched Michael Jackson. I'm glad that didn't happen though. I'd have a hard time believing MJ to be a vampire in the Blade world.

I'm just now realising I was under the complete wrong impression before. I thought he was set to play himself as a vampire pimp.......god these drugs are messing with my brain :woot:

Michael of course was going to play a character who's a vampire pimp, correct? If that's the case, that may have actually worked

[Fresh Prince]

Jackson as a vampire pimp? Well guess that would of worked.

[COAL TIGER]

Anybody else agree that this is a better looking Dracula than the one we got in Blade:Trinity?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/203818-49603-dracula_super.jpg

[E-Man]

Anybody else agree that this is a better looking Dracula then the one we got in Blade:Trinity?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/203818-49603-dracula_super.jpg

You won't get any arguments from me. This is a no brainer in my mind.

[COAL TIGER]

Oops. In my last post I meant to put "than" not "then".

[Chris Wallace]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/07/0707_wesley_snipes_getty_88881231.jpg

I saw some images of Snipes at MJJ's memorial today. So it's good to know Snipes is not locked down for his tax issues yet. To keep it Blade related. MJ was supposed to be in Blade 2, was supposed to be a vampire Pimp but during the time the movie was shooting Jackson had to promote his album and wasn't able to make it to Prauge. I got the info from the Blade 2 commentary with Goyer & Snipes.

Michael did kinda help Wes get started.

[COAL TIGER]

Bram Stroker's Dracula was a far superior villain.

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1362409/article_images/drac4.jpg

Even Eddie Murphy's Vampire came off as a better villain.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2196/1576782577_c70af1e7c5_o.jpg

[The Chris]

Michael did kinda help Wes get started.

Yeah. Wes was in The Bad video/short film by Martin Scorsese.

[Ace of Knaves]

Michael Jackson as a vampire pimp? That's so insane I think it crosses over into genius.

[BDOUBLEO]

I just recently watched Blade 2 with and without the commentaries; it’s still one of my favorite movies and still holds up very well even in today’s standards visually, packed with great action and horror. After watching commentaries makes you appreciate the film more, everyone was on the same page Del Toro, Goyer, Snipes, Ward and the stunt crew.

[TheVileOne]

Now that Blade is coming back as an anime, I think this is the best way to sort of bring back Snipes as the character.

What do you think? Someone should start a grass roots movement to bring in Snipes to voice Blade for the Blade anime.

[BDOUBLEO]

Now that Blade is coming back as an anime, I think this is the best way to sort of bring back Snipes as the character.

What do you think? Someone should start a grass roots movement to bring in Snipes to voice Blade for the Blade anime.

I would be all for Snipes to do the voice in an anime style Blade movie. I wouldn’t mind seeing CGI type of movie with a similar visual style such as TMNT, a lot darker of course and rated R. Snipes doesn't have much on his plate right now besides a few low budget movies and this anime Blade movie will maybe settle his dispute with New Line over Blade Trinity if they still have the rights to the character.

[KenK]

Now that Blade is coming back as an anime, I think this is the best way to sort of bring back Snipes as the character.

What do you think? Someone should start a grass roots movement to bring in Snipes to voice Blade for the Blade anime.

When the F*** was this announced, and when the F*** is this coming out!!!! :wow: :wow: :wow:

[Matt Mortem]

Now that Blade is coming back as an anime, I think this is the best way to sort of bring back Snipes as the character.

What do you think? Someone should start a grass roots movement to bring in Snipes to voice Blade for the Blade anime.
I found a sort of confirmation
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-07-24/marvel-confirms-blade-x-men-planet-hulk-anime

[TheVileOne]

Warren Ellis revealed it at Comic Con. We've been over this.

There is no CG anime movie.

Marvel is doing an anime series with Madhouse that Ellis is writing. Its going to be like a 12 episode Blade anime series by Madhouse along with Iron Man, Wolverine, and X-men.

I'm saying, when the series comes to the US, have Snipes do Blade's voice.

[KenK]

Oh, most definitely. I figured if Snipes doesn't have to deal with Goyer or any big wigs at New Line, he'd be more than happy to do it.

[TheVileOne]

Well as far as I can tell, this is only a Marvel/Madhouse/Sony project. I'm not sure if there would be a rights issue in Snipes working on it.

Just saying, I think everyone can agree that Snipes really made that character more popular than Blade ever was before. And make an anime with Snipes voicing Blade = $$$. DVD's would sell huge, like . . . tons of units :D

And thing is, Snipes is probably too old to play Blade again at this point, but this would be the next best thing.

So I vote, Snipes as Blade for the Blade anime :D .

[Casius--J]

Well as far as I can tell, this is only a Marvel/Madhouse/Sony project. I'm not sure if there would be a rights issue in Snipes working on it.

Just saying, I think everyone can agree that Snipes really made that character more popular than Blade ever was before. And make an anime with Snipes voicing Blade = $$$. DVD's would sell huge, like . . . tons of units :D

And thing is, Snipes is probably too old to play Blade again at this point, but this would be the next best thing.

So I vote, Snipes as Blade for the Blade anime :D .

I dunno, Sly Stallone is what? In his 60's?? And he's still kickin ass lol

But seriously I'm down for snipes to do the voice for this anime. Which is the route they should've taken instead of that silly tv show.

[TheVileOne]

Yes because Stallone took lots of steroids and HGH.

[COAL TIGER]

I'm just now finding out about the Blade anime. That's good news. *Siggggh* wish we could get a fourth movie.

[E-Man]

Snipes voicing Blade in an anime would make too much sense. Unless his demands are unreasonable, or he isn't available, he should be the easy pick.

[BDOUBLEO]

Here's some info about Blade 4 maybe being produced by New Line without Snipes.

http://www.cinemaspy.com/article.php?id=3004

Despite a disappointing second sequel and short-lived television series, another 'Blade' outing could be in the works.

At least, that’s what writer/director David Goyer told MTV. Goyer, who wrote all three 'Blade' films, mentioned the project could happen without star Wesley Snipes. "It's been rumored over at New Line," Goyer said.

There have been long-standing rumors about a spin-off for Deacon Frost, the villainous vampire played by Stephen Dorff in Blade. But news of another on-screen adventure for Marvel Comics’ half-human, half-vampire bloodsucker-slayer is more than a little surprising, given the series’ last installment, 2004’s Blade Trinity, took in less money than Blade II.

Then there was the Spike TV series that aired in 2006, which starred rapper Kirk Jones. It was canceled after the pilot and only 11 episodes

Goyer, however, seems to think the timing is everything. He said Batman Begins, which he co-wrote, and its sequel The Dark Knight did very well at the box office because the franchise got to lie low for a while. (Indeed, audiences needed lots of time to forget 1997’s Batman and Robin.)

"I think when you revisit these characters, the question is, how long should they stay off the shelf?" said Goyer, who was fielding press for Flash Forward, his upcoming TV show for ABC. "When we did 'Batman Begins,' he'd been off the shelf for about eight years. It hasn't been eight years yet for Blade. I think usually if you give them a little breathing room between iterations, it's better."

Goyer, who has had a successful comic book-writing career along with writing movies and television shows, adapted the character for a 1998 film, which became a box office hit. Blade and Blade II were directed by Stephen Norrington and Guillermo del Toro, both known for being visual stylists. Last month, Norrington was mentioned as possibly returning to the character for a prequel trilogy.

[E-Man]

A Blade reboot has been talked about for awhile now, even before the series came out. I think it's a really long way out right now. If it ever happens, I can see it happening sometime like 2015 unless the anime makes huge bucks. It seems that Marvel has alot on their plate right now, and for whatever reason it also seems that they never respected the Blade franchise much after the trilogy.

[DarKush]

I think as long as New Line has the rights to the Blade movie franchise you're not going to see Snipes reprising the role. I think he sued them for 5 mil.

But whenever it comes back I hope that Goyer takes a back seat. I think he did a marvelous job in bringing Blade to the screen, reimagining and making the Blade universe cool, but I think he showed a serious lack of creativity for Blade as a character, in Trinity and the series. Blade, in Goyer's hands, is little more than the muscle for white main characters. He's like a tool, a weapon (with Blade for a name I guess that doesn't help). On one level that's cool, but on another I don't think it is. Batman is a weapon, but Batman is also a well developed character that usually is at the center of his films, cartoons, etc. One of the mistakes the first Bat films made was not putting Bats at the center. And I think Goyer made that mistake too with Blade in the later products.

I question whether he gets that. That people tune in or pay to see Blade, not side characters. The side characters should mainly be there to challenge, or help show different sides of the hero, to bring different things out of Blade, not to supplant him. Also, too much focus was placed on the vampire side of Blade, and not his human half. What made the first film perhaps the best in terms of Blade's characterization was that Dr. Jenson got under his skin, she pricked that human side. Hollywood is pretty good in showing black men as being tough, badasses, but hasn't been so good at showing black men as three-dimensional, human beings. Also, there was too much focus on Blade's rage, his hatred for vamps. I wanted to see more of what Blade was fighting for, not what he was fighting against. It might've made him a more sympathetic or relatable character, a character that could bring more fans in. Though it might be blasphemy to some folks, I would like any new take on Blade's character to play up his human side more. There needs to be an internal struggle. I also want a love interest. It can be a doomed love, but still, Blade needs to be more than a machine.

[Ace of Knaves]

Snipes doing the voice is a hard r anime would rule. Do it sorta like that old Spawn TAS and it'd be sick.

Can't be watering down a anime about a guy who kills vampires.

[BDOUBLEO]

Saw this online the other day; made me crack up.. lol

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2598/3752433082_6b27492a2a_o.jpg

[Hypestyle]

^^^ that's awesome... it would be a great burn for Blade to show up in a Twilight film and just impale those guys..

anyway... now that Disney owns Eric Brooks... hopefully someone in the regime will think enough of Blade to get him back from new Line cinema.. and have Snipes make some cameos on the upcoming Marvel films.. an animated series on HBO/Showtime.. a full comeback film with Snipes after his legal troubles are over..

[GhostPoet]

^^^ that's awesome... it would be a great burn for Blade to show up in a Twilight film and just impale those guys..

anyway... now that Disney owns Eric Brooks... hopefully someone in the regime will think enough of Blade to get him back from new Line cinema.. and have Snipes make some cameos on the upcoming Marvel films.. an animated series on HBO/Showtime.. a full comeback film with Snipes after his legal troubles are over..


Maybe Snipes can play a random guy in prison. (ooohhhh....yes I did)

[Chris Wallace]

^^^ that's awesome... it would be a great burn for Blade to show up in a Twilight film and just impale those guys..

anyway... now that Disney owns Eric Brooks... hopefully someone in the regime will think enough of Blade to get him back from new Line cinema.. and have Snipes make some cameos on the upcoming Marvel films.. an animated series on HBO/Showtime.. a full comeback film with Snipes after his legal troubles are over..

Doubtful. Blade shouldn't just walk onto a Marvel film unless it somehow pertains to vampires, & what Marvel movie would other than a Blade movie? I don't see the animated series happening, & Snipes is getting a little too old for the role.

[Matt Mortem]

Blade should continue as an animated series or DTV films for awhile, that way Snipes can continue the role no matter how old he is.