Anyone still feel Bale wasn't the right choice??

[Phaser]

sure he can run but his upper torso bunches up and restricts his chest and arms and kneck.

Uhh, so? It folds just like cloth or even leather would and it doesn't affect the mobility of the suit. Your argument doesn't have any meaning beyond being completely devoid of all logic and sound reasoning.

Watch the scene when the scare crow goes to burn batman, he can't even lift his arms up he's to restricted he cant lift them up. He clearly is stiff and the suit is restricting him.

Then how the hell is he able to lift up his arm up so high in this pic, you moron?

http://thefilmasylum.com/albums/Batman-Begins/aaq.jpg

What are you going to do now? Go on another senseless rant about how the suit is "restricting" him? :rolleyes:

Look at the pictures i posed with his kneck folding and arms shoulders lifting and the chest becoming breasts.

And I told you, those are creases and folds caused in the suit due to movement. And the suit creases because it is made of a thinner material. Thick, restrictive materials do no crease or fold. Get it, dumbass? Stop acting like an incorrigible thickhead and try paying attention to my words for once.

Besides, what kind of anally retarded idiot continually spells neck as "kneck"? See what I mean about you jokers not knowing dick about the English language? No wonder everything I say is constantly flying above your noggin like that.

I brought Spider Man and Supermans suits becuase those suits Compared to the Batman Begins suit don't fold up to make the actors look puffy and restrictive in there suits.:o

That's because they are made up of totally different materials. Ever thought of that, chimp?

Your calling me what insecurties you have in yourself.

Or I'm simply calling you what ARE.

Batman doesn't Have amour in Batman the Animated Series:o

Uh, so? Batman is a COMIC BOOK character, not an ANIMATED SERIES character. It's best that you drop the whole debate about Batman altogether. You're clearly lost like a hopeless crybaby whenever discussing the subject.

so You like Batman with breasts.

And you like Batman to be a skinny little midget with hair loss.

It's increasingly pathetic to see you resort to creases in the suit to make your laughable stand of "Batman with breasts". You look like a kindergarten reject because of your gullibility of taking everything at face value instead of how things ACTUALLY are. Being a kid looking into the world of grown-ups will do that to you.

Batman's suit hasn't been done right. Supes and Spidey's has and they look perfectly fine on a Human Being.

But Supes and Spidery are superhuman, and not just human like Batman. Batman is a more grounded character, that's why he needs armor and technology in his suit to survive and appear plausible. Cram that in your empty little cranium, why don't you?

there were no scenes that called for him to croutch Down Batman 89, either he was running, jumping in and out of the Batmobile, Flying Down his batrope, and standing prolithic on the edge of a building.

That was because he CAN'T. Because the suit weighed at least 70 pounds. Keaton still complains of back problems he sufferred trying a simple kick in the B89 costume. Flexible my ass.

I think its all in that damn cowl. i dont understand why they couldnt change the thickness of the kneck cowl part. they obviously left the Mask thick so it wouldnt bend when he looked down, and so he can stretch it over his head for a rest. The Batman Begins mask was super skin tight to his face so they could make it less thick, but they added that fake kneck spine in the cowl that just didn't work, it made his kneck huge looking and the mobility was just not there.

Mobility just not there? Give me a break. Everyone including the neighbourhood dog was able to see that Batman was much, much more mobile in Begins than he was in previous Batman films. You can deny the obvious all you want, but don't think that you wouldn't end up making yourself like a class A retard.

i think thats where he got his voice from becuase Bales costume looked like it was choking him breathless.

And I'm getting choked breathless by your stupidity. :(

i believe they got both costumes wrong. But the begins bunch up puffy.

"But the Begins bunch up puffy"? Yeah, that makes about as much sense as the rest of your mindless blabbering in this thread.

No thats what i said. I said it was latex, i said it was seperated into segemnts of armour and glued to spandex for mobility.

What mobility? Keaton couldn't even look up without bending half his body backwards. Your asinine arguments that fly directly in the face of logic are really dictating your idiocy to everyone here.

You were to thickheaded to read what i kept posting over and over and over again. Don't even try it.

Please. At least 80% of my arguments in this thread you have blatantly ignored. Which is a clear indication of your filthy trolling, and that you don't have a freakin' leg to stand on in this argument. Post all you want, chimpy, it's not like you're making a difference. You're still the same old moron I schooled earlier in this thread.

thats becuase it is like i was saying to you repeativly. over and over again.

Here's something you will most definitely cherish:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764553224.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Don't say that I don't care for ya, junior.

The batman Begins suit, looks like neopreme
Bends like neopreme
Bunches up like neopreme

Because it IS "neoprene". And it is still flexible and quite mobile. Your point, skippy?

[Proximo]

Its okay. im used to everyone hatefuly bashing me on the Batman thread. Thank you for clearing it up and admitting that you made a mistake thats nice of you.

I am watching Batman the making of and i still shot the scene where he kicks that swordsman in the shape and the suit has good range. the stunt man had is leg up to his own head in height when he kicked that swordsman.

and when Batman is cathcing the swords with his gauntlets on his arm his arms are moving very fast and above his own head to clearly show movement is very much there.

The movement is farily good for what it is back in that day.
As i said, The movement on todays Suit, hence Batman Begins isnt very much diffrent like the 89 suit.
The only diffrence as i stated is, The suit is A LITTLE Heavier since the armor pieces are casted thicker.
All other bat movies suit are made exactly same way as the 89 suit, but made a little thinner and lighter.
Lets say the movement is 80% good on the 89 suit,
And from Batman Returns to Batman Begins the movement is a little better 90% total.
That means, they have learned some to make the suits.
But to get 100% movement, THe undersuit and armor pieces have to be taken away.
We will never see a Batman whit a simple spandex suit on the silver screen though, Since in real world Batman wouldnt last a day whit a spandex suit.
Kelvar on another hand.. maybe a day extra :)

[Phaser]

I did state that the rubber was latex you have no need to explain that to me or its process in mold and mask making, Phaser was trying to explain to me that the Batman 89 mask and muscle armour was made out of Neoprene.

Read what I ACTUALLY said later, you dimwit:

Now I remember. All the previous suits were made of foam latex rubber. The B89 suit had an additional piece of sculpted muscle attached to it on the chest and abdoment area.

I retracted my statement of the B89 suit being neoprene long back. You just didn't have your brain with you at the time to pay any attention to that.

[Proximo]

I think both of you need to join Brotherhood of the Bat, Then you might be able to know what the diffrence is between the Neoprane undersuit and the Foam Latex armor/cowl.
Right now it seems like you, Phaser, Think the whole suit is made of neoprane...thats wrong.
Its just the undersuit that is made of neoprane... Undersuit is what the Foam Latex armor is glued on.

Noffence, But just trying to make some sense about this suit issue.

[Phaser]

Right now it seems like you, Phaser, Think the whole suit is made of neoprane...thats wrong.

Read my last post. I retracted my statement of the entire B89 suit being neoprene long back. Don't put any stock in what that jackass ZEROCOOL is saying. He's merely putting words in my mouth, words that he himself doesn't have any idea of. After all, how dumb does he appear when he continually spells neck as "kneck"? That should pretty drop him off the IQ chart.

[Proximo]

Read my last post. I retracted my statement of the entire B89 suit being neoprene long back. Don't put any stock in what that jackass ZEROCOOL is saying. He's merely putting words in my mouth, words that he himself doesn't have any idea of. After all, how dumb does he appear when he continually spells neck as "kneck"? That should pretty drop him off the IQ chart.

Oh sorry, Didnt notice that.
I just got intrested in this conversation when the Suit was brought up:) Because i mostly hang around on BOTB,about Batman Suits, Making Replica movie suits and Comic Book styled suits.

But to get back to topic, I couldn't see anyone else then Bale for the new refresh, He pretty much look spot on to Bruce and Batman.

[ZER0C00L]

I think both of you need to join Brotherhood of the Bat, Then you might be able to know what the diffrence is between the Neoprane undersuit and the Foam Latex armor/cowl.
Right now it seems like you, Phaser, Think the whole suit is made of neoprane...thats wrong.
Its just the undersuit that is made of neoprane... Undersuit is what the Foam Latex armor is glued on.

Noffence, But just trying to make some sense about this suit issue.

im already a memeber :up:

and Phaser only changed his statement after i repeated myself over and over again about how the suit was made and what it was made out of through all his cursing and ranting he couldnt pay attention. He deserves to be pointed out when hes wrong, or he will just continue on call someone names and start sounding homophobic even though hes the one with the gay tendecies mentioning raping me and sodomising me through this topic. oh and he keeps bringing up my ass.



Uhh, so? It folds just like cloth or even leather would and it doesn't affect the mobility of the suit. Your argument doesn't have any meaning beyond being completely devoid of all logic and sound reasoning.

The batman begins Neoprene suit bunching up looks bad and restricts him thats the point you keep ignoreing, and hiding with the name calling.



]you moron?

Again hiding behind the name calling.



[What are you going to do now? Go on another senseless rant about how the suit is "restricting" him?

why does it bother that much that i point out the faults of the movie to represent why i find faults in it? they are there obviously. if they weren't nothing would be said about that.



And I told you, those are creases and folds caused in the suit due to movement. And the suit creases because it is made of a thinner material. Thick, restrictive materials do no crease or fold. Get it, dumbass? Stop acting like an incorrigible thickhead and try paying attention to my words for once.

You should try paying attention yourself. i told you i stop paying attention when the name calling sets in. so its all vague nonesence coming out from you.

I said nearly a dozen times what the batman suits were made out of and you completly ignored it until another board member stepped in to back me up.

Your anger obviously blinds you.


[Phaser=quote]Besides, what kind of anally retarded idiot continually spells neck as "kneck"? See what I mean about you jokers not knowing dick about the English language? No wonder everything I say is constantly flying above your noggin like that.

Listen i can go on pointing out your foul ups to from your posts just like one in this post.

materials do no crease

its off topic and no point really to though.



That's because they are made up of totally different materials. Ever thought of that, chimp?

Exactly the reason why i brought it up and stated so posts ago but ill say it again for you since you don't read through my posts obviously.

It looks better and doesnt bunch up to make batman look puffy and keep him restrictive from movement.


Uh, so? Batman is a COMIC BOOK character, not an ANIMATED SERIES character. It's best that you drop the whole debate about Batman altogether. You're clearly lost like a hopeless crybaby whenever discussing the subject.

http://www.groberunfug.de/unfug/unfuggrafiken/us-comics/batman-freestyle.gif

this is batman and thats from a comic i dont see neopreme on his body.

the cry baby is you with your temper tantrums another board member said your known to have frequently. iv continued to keep my cool You have lost yours far to long ago.


It's increasingly pathetic to see you resort to creases in the suit to make your laughable stand of "Batman with breasts". You look like a kindergarten reject because of your gullibility of taking everything at face value instead of how things ACTUALLY are. Being a kid looking into the world of grown-ups will do that to you.

Face Value? he sounded as awful as he looked in the suit.



But Supes and Spidery are superhuman, and not just human like Batman. Batman is a more grounded character, that's why he needs armor and technology in his suit to survive and appear plausible. Cram that in your empty little cranium, why don't you?

I believe it if it were done well enough, i beleive in the Animated Series. You obviously don't.


That was because he CAN'T. Because the suit weighed at least 70 pounds. Keaton still complains of back problems he sufferred trying a simple kick in the B89 costume. Flexible my ass.

Mobility just not there? Give me a break. Everyone including the neighbourhood dog was able to see that Batman was much, much more mobile in Begins than he was in previous Batman films. You can deny the obvious all you want, but don't think that you wouldn't end up making yourself like a class A retard.

Look down at the comparison photos. Batman looks and is flexible in those shots from Batman 89
Batman in begins is less flexible and his suit is bunching and puffing up through out scenes in Begins.



But the Begins bunch up puffy"? Yeah, that makes about as much sense as the rest of your mindless blabbering in this thread.

http://www.movie-poster.ws/movies/wallpaper/action/batmanbegins/the-batman.jpg

Notice Chest, throat, and Shoulder.





Please. At least 80% of my arguments in this thread you have blatantly ignored. Which is a clear indication of your filthy trolling, and that you don't have a freakin' leg to stand on in this argument. Post all you want, chimpy, it's not like you're making a difference. You're still the same old moron I schooled earlier in this thread.

You curse, make fun of people, threaten, Obsess over what i say and blantently start your own temper tantrums.

And if thats true that i ignore your posts why do other board memebers have to step in to tell you that im right when i have said the statement to you bearly a dozen times.

and there not even angry about it. the people you have back you up are just like you full of anger and hate and foul language.

Know this, You Put Out What You Keep in.

You must have a terrible existence.


Don't say that I don't care for ya, junior.

Oh I know you do, You hold my opinion so high you keep contending against it. When i just get more out of who you are as a person. angry, bitter, isloated being who is obsessive Obviously.

[ZER0C00L]

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4824/66sc.jpg

He can barely kick ^, and his upper body is getting in this way. along with that Clunky Belt.
he moved stocky like an over weight person with extra skin on his body in this scene.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7830/batman18st.jpg

this batman has uper torso movement and free leg movement and arm movement to move fast. and he doesn't look like hes fat or puffy.

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1924/30hw.jpg
^heres the pile up.

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/56/41tw.jpg

^bat boobs form.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/491/14om3.jpg

http://thefilmasylum.com/albums/Batman-Begins/aaq.jpg

^Bale can barely look up he isnt even bending his kneck up this batman has to arch his back awkwardly and his arm isn't straight its angled like an L, he obviously restricted there.

this batman begins only looked good when he was not moving, thats why they hid Batman hudled in a group of thugs hiding him on film in his dizzing tight shot dark fight scenes.


http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2940/batman33ym.jpg

^No Problem here.

[ZER0C00L]

http://www.avenuepotter.com/~kristin/Christian_Bale/Batman%20Begins/bb613.jpg

Batman Begins can't even climb a ladder with out his shoulders bulking up into a wad. He cant even raise them fully straight.

http://www.avenuepotter.com/~kristin/Christian_Bale/Batman%20Begins/bb617.jpg

this is as good as it gets. with a wad of a shoulder

http://www.avenuepotter.com/~kristin/Christian_Bale/Batman%20Begins/bb629.jpg

This is the scene i mentioned where Batman is falling and he can't even raise his hands above his head. he has them like this the entire time falling. his wadding up shoulder is reaching the side of his head.

Whenever he has his arms up he always has his elbos bent.

http://www.avenuepotter.com/~kristin/Christian_Bale/Batman%20Begins/bb711.jpg

His chest sticks out further then his chin.

http://www.avenuepotter.com/~kristin/Christian_Bale/Batman%20Begins/bb730.jpg

Batman can barely turn his kneck the whole upper part is bulking up on him. He looks like its chocking him. its just as limited to the batman 89 mask. Bale looks like a pinhead

http://www.avenuepotter.com/~kristin/Christian_Bale/Batman%20Begins/bb1005.jpg

still can't turn his kneck to aim his gun.

http://terryxart.com/Batman%20299.jpg
Its all hot air saying that this suit is more mobile. he can squat In begins. If the batman in the 1989 film can kick his leg straight up to his own head in hieght im sure he can just as equally squat. above his legs are spread for a kata stance. since his suit of armour is cut out into seperate peices it alows it to Not buckle up and puff out like the begins suit does in scenes of the movie. and the belt in Batman 89 isn't in his way or clunky like the begins belt.

[ZER0C00L]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1767/batmanrittslot29li7li.jpg

The reason why the Batman 1989 costume was so heavey had Alot to do with the Cape. In the making of the film the director, the costume maker, mention repeativl how the cape was so heavy. It was made out of latex rubber.

http://www.insidepulse.com/columnImages/image11643.jpg
Bales cape is made out of what looks to be Velvet which didnt match, it looked like a beach towel. the Velvet (?) decreases the wieght by a substantial amount compared to latex one on top of your Batman 1989's shoulders but it looked great.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6339/batman0136bv.jpg

Anyone who lurks these boards notice this. When someone speaks there opinion that doesnt agree with a person like Phaser you find out that they have nothing important to say when they rely on calling people names, cursing, bringing up his own homophobias and staring there own temper tantrums.

Easily it all came out of him over a batman discussion.

[ZER0C00L]

Hmm you might be right, I just checked the new DVD also.
Well the undersuit might been Spandex in 89, But in all other bat movies FROM Batman returns they used a Neoprane undersuit instead of Spandex, Mostly because the movement is better in neoprane and it blends better in whit the armor whit no work.
Keatons Lifecast is only used to sculpt the armor pieces, that then are glued on the actors undersuit, Keaton / Stuntman.

Aha sorry, guess i didint read right.
Well If Phaser stated that the armor and mask was made of Neoprane he is wrong,Neoprane is the undersuit they used from Batman returns to Begins.
All the armor and cowls are made in Foam latex, even in Begins as in all other previous bat movies from 89.

About the shoulders in Begins, I belive its because the pose they made Bale stand while doing the lifecast, And since they sculpted the armor on his lifecast it made the shoulders bend like crazy when the armor was in foam latex, if that make any sense to you.

As for movement.... the 89 suits were the first batman suits whit sculpted armor.
The foam latex pieces in '89 Was very THICK when casted, that made the movement pretty limited, even do its glued on to make the joints free.
But since the latex is TO thick it limits the movement very much.

After Batman '89 They made the Armor pieces Thinner, there for a LITTLE better movement.
But comparing the movement from 89 to Begins, You can clearly see that the movement is better in this suit then it was in 89.. NOT by much... but it is.. since they learn how to make the suits better on the road.

Its okay. Thank you for clearing it up and admitting that you made a mistake thats nice of you. People like Phaser Lostson88 and others start cursing hatefuly calling me names and saying they are sodomising me with there come backs. very disturbing. When they are wrong or when my opinion differs from theres.

Phaser and I were talking about the Batman 89 suit everyone brings that up. People state how its so bad yet when i watch the movie its like i see how its not that bad at all and i see all the movement people say wasn't there.

I am watching Batman the making of and i still shot paused step by step the scene where he kicks that swordsman in the head the shape stays tight and the suit has great bending range. the stunt man had his leg up to his own head in height when he kicked that swordsman. they show the shot from the side then the front, the stomach and chest doesnt puff out and hes able to bend freely from all angles shown.

and when Batman is catching the swords with his gauntlets on his arm his arms they are moving very fast and above his own head to clearly show movement is very much there.

I know what your talking about. in the Publicity photo obviosuly Bale is positioning his arms to how the costume has been casted he his not bending them down becuase thats when the suit takes on a pair of breasts. when he drops them it bends big time and lifts up the chest to puff when he moves, sits and croutches.

i watched Batman Begins and there are scenes where he can't live his arms above his head, when he is being set on fire and when he falls out the window.

When he kicks the thugs he doesn't have the height that the Batman 89 stuntman had. Begins costume looks restrictive.


[img]http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3725/batman2982qf.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7830/batman18st.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1536/batman29yl.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2940/batman33ym.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4351/batman53gz.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6323/batman65eh.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6339/batman0136bv.jpg

[kit1982]

Dude you whine and complain about how in Begins he can barly lift his leg because of the "clunky" belt but if thats the case how the hell does he do that Kick ass roundhouse kick? Plus you've taken some of those screencaps out of the context of the film, like where Batmans been burnt and shoots his grappling gun, the reasn he's arched like that is because he can barely stand up due to the fear gas and obviously being set on fire, he stumbles around and is nealry on his knees when he fires his hook.

[ZER0C00L]

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1200/vg2577tr.jpg

[ZER0C00L]

Dude you whine and complain about how in Begins he can barly lift his leg because of the "clunky" belt but if thats the case how the hell does he do that Kick ass roundhouse kick?

Show me how good it was. i didn't see it in the movie as being that.

Let me say this clearly hey were supposed to be dizzing.

How can anyone see that kick or barely anything for that matter during the fight scenes. A board member stated the films fight scenes are supposed to be dizzing and disorienting.

Plus you've taken some of those screencaps out of the context of the film, like where Batmans been burnt and shoots his grappling gun, the reasn he's arched like that is because he can barely stand up due to the fear gas and obviously being set on fire, he stumbles around and is nealry on his knees when he fires his hook.

No i haven't Batman doesn't use his gun when he's burnt he falls out the window and hits the ground and calls for Alferd.

Batman uses his gun when he was getting away from the thugs in gotham when he drags one up with him and drops him to a fatal fall.

The fact that every photo shows clearly his lack of ability of holding his amrs straigh up with out bending has to do with it clearly.



Im explaining to Phaser who keeps whining.

Don't blurt out. those who already have, had been proven wrong for doing so.

One kick doesn't make up for his lack of ability to lift his arms with out keeping them bent.
Doesn't make up for the neoprene bunching up, puffing out and looking awful.

[kit1982]

In your opinion it looked awful fair enough, I don't have a problem with the 89 suit and I thought it looked good but the Begins suit was less restrictive not a hell of alot but it is. Hence why Tim Burton tells of his sympathy for what Keaton had to go through and where the story of him doing in his hip when Kicking that thug right at the beginning.

[ZER0C00L]

heres that scene by the way.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6317/bb6261ih.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/66/bb6282xi.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1516/bb6295am.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7233/bb6318su.jpg



there was nothing thrown out of context with what i posted. i know begins as well as batman 89 for ther good points and for there faults. what was shot on film shows how restrictive puffy the costume is.

they talk about how restrictive the suit was on the set but in the film batman 1989 it looked great. Look at the screen shots compared to batman begins watch scenes from both movies clearly the begins suit is just as restrictive if not more by hidden camera shots and forecd crouching posistions and puffing up costume. they can say how good it was all they want, the film is done the pictures are there its obviously flawed.

[El Payaso]

Fantastic ZER0C00L.

Same restrictions, a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle less restrictive suit - after 16 years - not impressive.

[ZER0C00L]

Fantastic ZER0C00L.

Same restrictions, a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle less restrictive suit - after 16 years - not impressive.


Exactly. thank you. People should stick up for themselfs and each other if they share the same opinion feelings.

Its like the kid in class not wanting to speak up cause of the bullies blurting out.

I don't succumb to it i stick up for how i feel and look who bowed out long ago Phaser Lostson88 and the others that were behind them with hate, anger and belittlement.

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/8404/batman76gh.jpg

[kit1982]

heres that scene by the way.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6317/bb6261ih.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/66/bb6282xi.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1516/bb6295am.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7233/bb6318su.jpg



there was nothing thrown out of context with what i posted. i know begins as well as batman 89 for ther good points and for there faults. what was shot on film shows how restrictive puffy the costume is.

they talk about how restrictive the suit was on the set but in the film batman 1989 it looked great. Look at the screen shots compared to batman begins watch scenes from both movies clearly the begins suit is just as restrictive if not more by hidden camera shots and forecd crouching posistions and puffing up costume. they can say how good it was all they want, the film is done the pictures are there its obviously flawed.


Of course its flawed, if anyone was actually arguing it wasn't they are a fool. In terms of what we see in both films neither looked flawed to me but then thats the magic of cinema, purely in my opinion I think that the latter Batman has more fluent movements than the older batman, but to me that doesn't take anythig away from the film at all. Anyway how did this thread turn into a batman 89 costume bashing thread?

[ZER0C00L]

Of course its flawed, if anyone was actually arguing it wasn't they are a fool. In terms of what we see in both films neither looked flawed to me but then thats the magic of cinema, purely in my opinion I think that the latter Batman has more fluent movements than the older batman, but to me that doesn't take anythig away from the film at all. Anyway how did this thread turn into a batman 89 costume bashing thread?

To answer all of your questions.


Phaser

Lostson88

and others like to bash Batman 1989 whenever someone has a different opinionw ith how Batman Begins was executed on screen.

They always end up dragging it into a discussion that has nothing to do with it.

[Phaser]

Bump.

[Phaser]

And bump again.

[Proximo]

zerocool, Just a heads up.

You have great points, But the suit in 89, at some pictures you posted the chest armor bulks up.
This happens whit all the bat suits, From 89 to Begins.
Their is no way to make this not be there, Because all the movie suits have that problem, All the Movie replica bat suits have the same problem... their is no way to get a "non bulking/puffy armor" Except if Batman wear a Knight armor in steel.. lol :P

But from what i understand, What you are trying to point out is.
The movement in 89 is almost the same as in Begins, That is also true.
But overall FROM Batman Returns to Batman Begins, the movement in the batsuit is better then '89... because they didint knew what they did in 89... the procces for that suit was pretty new.. as you notice in Batman Returns, the movement is better in the cowl area, the armor isnt as thick as in '89.
The way the Begins suit is made is just like the other from, Returns,forever & Batman & Robin.
The Begins Suit will always have a little better movement then the original 89suit, Since it was made 16 years ago.

Feels like im just talking in circles here, But in the end... ONLY way to get 100% movement is to take away the sculpted armor, take away the undersuit.
And just wear a spandex suit as in the Comics, But as i said in a post before.. we will never see Batman wearing a Spandex suit on the silver screen.
Because its more realistic to have some kind of armor as protection...

[Phaser]

...and again...

[Phaser]

And let's go on with the show...

[Phaser]

This is gonna be such a blast. :D

Like the famous saying, "a picture is worth a thousand words" and so without much further ado, let's get on with the show now, shall we?

Let's first address the issue about Bale being able to lift up his arms easily:

http://www.avenuepotter.com/~kristin/Christian_Bale/Batman%20Begins/bb617.jpg
His arms looks pretty high here. That bulge is the armored padding on the shoulder. Nothing to complain about.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/climb.jpg
And here you can see him climb up a ledge. Surely he couldn't do that if his arms were to restrain him like you so inanely claim. And yes, of course, his arms are pretty high up.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/elbow.jpg
Arm up high again, and this time in combat. Since all fighting in the film is lightning fast, he was able to lift his arm so quickly like that because the suit is flexible, and it's very easy for him to do that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/break1.jpg
Blocking Ra's sword. Arm up high again, and in combat as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/break2.jpg
Here's where he breaks Ra's sword into two. As you can see in the film, he lifts his arms up blazingly fast, so much that it's easy to miss seeing him do that. How? Because he can EFFORTLESSLY raise his arms high like that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/block.jpg
And this is the coup de grace to your asinine "can't lift arm argument". Not only does he raise his arm high up lightning fast in combat here, but he actually bends his elbow while doing it. If you know anything about the human musculature, you'll realize that bending your elbow while having your arm lifted that high tightens up your triceps and locks your deltoids. Something like that is IMPOSSIBLE to do unless the person in question can effortlessly lift his arm high up without restraint. Which as Bale damn well can, as you can see.

[Phaser]

You want to see an actual example of a restraining suit? Here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/suitrip.jpg
Notice the slight suit rip under his arms? That's because of putting too much strain and pressure on that part of the suit. So actually, it's Keaton's suit that is factually guilty of being "restrictive". And that not just in the case of the arms, but the entire suit. Read on...

[Phaser]

Let's see what's up next for kicks (literally):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/screwedupkick.jpg
"Urgh, I think I strained my back trying to kick. Damn Robocop suit. Aiiieeee!"

Anyways, first let's look at well Keaton kicks:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/screwedupkick2.jpg
Heh, mediocre. His leg is barely above his body. The hit looks lame and weightless. The guy he's kicking is still on ground. Pathetic. That suit's really killing him.

Let's see how well Bale does from the same angle:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/kick1.jpg
Now THAT's what I call a kick. His leg is far higher than his head and the kick looks far more powerful. And if you try to notice, the ninja he's kicking is not even on the ground and goes FLYING over the railing, which means Bale's actually kicking a lot higher.

Keaton's turn now:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/screwedupkick3.jpg
Lame, lame, lame. He's barely hitting the arms of the black guy. And if you see it in the film, it barely budges him. No power at all. I can't believe anyone in their right mind would actually call this Batman an expert in martial arts.

Let's see what Bale has up his boot, again:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/kick2.jpg
Yeah I know, same shot, but STILL, look at the difference! And look how straight, precise and powerful that kick is compared to Keaton's flimsy, broken, pathetic attempt only a fool would call a "kick" (more like tickling for that black dude, actually).

Now Keaton's up again:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/screwedupkick4.jpg
Tsk, tsk. That's the best he can do? I don't blame him. It's the stupid suits Keaton wore. Can't allow him to do anything well.

Can Bale do better?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/stomp2.jpg
You bet your ass he can. Look at the height of that kick (more like a heel stomp actually)! Wow! He literally smashes the ninja onto the floor with that back hell stomp. Totally badass. Now THIS Batman I can believe is one kickass martial arts master. He's so fast, so blindingly quick and agile you barely see the punches and kicks he throws at ya. And they're not flimsy, weak ones, either. You can actually feel the force and power with he strikes. Yowza!

How is it possible? Becuase the BB suit is unquestionably more flexible, allows much greater agility and mobility to the wearer and isn't as restrictive as the B89 suit.

Point made. But are we done yet? Oh no there's more...

[Phaser]

Let's talk about the cowl a bit. How about taking a look at Keaton's from B89?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/funnycowl.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/funnycowl2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/funnycowl3.jpg

WTF? Those costume designers should be fired! Who were they designing the cowl for anyway? The king of apes?! That cowl is so roomy you can practically have two faces in it. Keaton's head looks lost and his eyes and jawline are pretty much buried in such an enormous cowl. Actually looks like some short skinny guy trying to play Batman by wearing a muscle suit (which actually IS the case here). Funny ****.

[Phaser]

Looks like Keaton's having a hard time looking up to Bale. Hell, he's having a hard time looking up at anything:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/cantlookup3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/cantlookup2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/cantlookup.jpg
Poor guy can't see what's coming from above him without half-beding his back backwards. No wonder he complained about having his back strained and other back pains. I sympathize with him. It's the increasingly lame suit that's the root of all his problems.

Lucky Bale, if he wants to look up, all he has to do is simply look up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/lookup.jpg

And thanks to the mobile suit, he has absolutely no trouble at all looking or bending down or even crouching on ledges.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/land.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/pos.jpg

You see that second pic? That's how Batman is like. Stealthy, like an evasive creature of the night. One moment you see him, and the next he vanishes into thin air. Batman is fast, he's agile and he's very athletic. He prowls on the city's rooftops and he's rarely seen on the street. He's an urban legend in every sense of the word.

He doesn't walk the roads of Gotham awkwardly kicking the circus gang like a clown and a complete doofus. Keaton's "Batman" does. And part of the reason of that massive suckage is one again the stupid suit, which doesn't allow him to pull off any truly agile moves. Of course, the rest of the blame goes on Burton’s lackluster vision and interpretation of Batman, and Keaton’s lacking physique.

http://rapidshare.de/files/11643999/BB_Chicago_Filming.rm.html
Look at Bale in this news clip from the Chicago filming. He moves like a cheetah on the rooftop. Fast, smooth and efficient. Thanks to the flexible suit, Bale is quicker and more agile in the suit while running than Keaton is while fighting in the B89 and BR suits.

[Phaser]

When Batman dodges an attack, it looks something like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/dodge.jpg
Yes, you barely see him. He's that fast. And because his suit is lightweight and very much flexible, ALLOWING him to be that fast.

But how does Keaton's Batman do it?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/cantdodge.jpg
You call that a dodge? Looks more like Batman bowing at the feet of the circus gang to take their blessing.

And of course who can forget the legendary "merry-go-round" dodge?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/dance0.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/dance.jpg
Yes, folks, believe it. Instead of simply sidestepping the attack, Batman ducks like an ostrich and turns 180 degrees like a turntable. Pathetic to say the least. One of the most embarrassing "action" moments I've ever seen in a Batman film. Again, I don't blame him. Those suck-ass suits don't allow him to pull off even remotely fast or cool maneuvers. Restrictive as hell.

So what have learned today from the visual aides, class?

Yes, both the suits from the Burton films score high points in major suckage, no thanks to their cumbersome designs - heavy capes, restrictive musculature, big ass cowl (B89) and a physically lacking actor. While the BB suit proves itself to be immensely more flexible, allowing the actor in the suit the kind of agility and mobility (not to mention kickass fighting maneuvers) one expects to see from a world class athelete like Bruce Wayne/Batman. Of course, Bale's well-built physique is also a contributing factor to that, so kudos to him too.

[Phaser]

And last but not least, the cape -

Yes, Keaton's cape is decent but the only thing it has going in it's favor is that it's the same color and pattern as the rest of the suit. Everything else goes downhill from there:

Keaton's cape is shorter and heavier than Bale's.

One of the most defining and coolest attributes of Batman's cape is that it's quite long and large, always billowing in the wind, as if having a life of it's own. Looks downright amazing.

Bale's cape does all that and more.

It trumps Keaton's cape both in form and in function, as it can also turn instantly into a glider which Batman can activate or deactivate at will instead of having to crash on the sidewalk (like he does in Batman Returns, another one of those embarrassing Batman moments).

Talk aside, let's look at those pics now shall we?

Keaton's cape:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1767/batmanrittslot29li7li.jpg

And here's Bale's cape:
http://img.tesco.com/pi/entertainment/DVD/LF/660163_DV_L_F.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/BatsBegins.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/batsbegins89lp.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/batsbegins0078xh.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/BatsBegins4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/BD-S-9915R.jpg
He almost looks like a real giant bat in this one.

It goes without saying that Bale's cape is infinitely more like Batman's cape in the comics, both in look and feel.

[Phaser]

Oh and this shot...
http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/18/35/23/40/18411589.jpg

TOTALLY and literally owns this puny little cheap one -

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6339/batman0136bv.jpg

From the looks of your arguments, you're no fan of Batman at all, as you seemingly have zero understanding of what makes the character so compelling and cool. You simply have a big boner for Burton and Keaton and you try to disguise that as Batfandom, because like I said earlier, you know dick about the character.



Anyone who lurks these boards notice this. When someone speaks there opinion that doesnt agree with a person like Phaser you find out that they have nothing important to say when they rely on calling people names, cursing, bringing up his own homophobias and staring there own temper tantrums.

Easily it all came out of him over a batman discussion.

I guess now it's very much clear who's got their head up so far up their own ass that it's actually starting to give them silly delusions of "victory".

You have left nearly 80% of my arguments unaddressed and if your posting history in this thread is any indication, you're more than likely to continue making an ass out of yourself.


I don't succumb to it i stick up for how i feel and look who bowed out long ago Phaser Lostson88 and the others that were behind them with hate, anger and belittlement.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

It's a little too early to be celebrating, little one. You've got a lot more to deal with now. I hope you enjoyed your brief moment of triumph. Pity you won't be seeing more of that anymore.

Now get cracking on those replies, chimp.

[Proximo]

This is what im trying to explain, The Begins suit will always have better movement then the 89 suit because the 89 suit was made 16 years ago.
This procces was New.

The Begins suit is ofcourse lighter and more flexible since they used a little diffrent material.
Begins suit was made exact same way and same material as the Batman Forever and B&R Suits, Their for better movement overall then '89.
But not by much, Its still very restrictive.

[ZER0C00L]

This is what im trying to explain, The Begins suit will always have better movement then the 89 suit because the 89 suit was made 16 years ago.
This procces was New.

The Begins suit is ofcourse lighter and more flexible since they used a little diffrent material.
Begins suit was made exact same way and same material as the Batman Forever and B&R Suits, Their for better movement overall then '89.
But not by much, Its still very restrictive.

Exactly.


still doesn't look good on film or still shots taken from the film. Phaser we already talked about how Bale Lost wieght during filming. those publicity shots show when the suit actualy fit him before the cameras rolled.
Batman begins looks rediculous in that cape. How does it go from that big to that small when hes walking in Begins?

Notice how in those publicity photos his arms aren't raised because the costume would lift up showing the the upper portion the suit bulging into a pair of breasts.

Thats a photoshoped picture of him turning his head on the cover for the game. id like to see the actualy picture of that.

Bale isn't looking up any further then Keaton. the camera is even underneath him to give the illusion that he is.

the costume still bunches up like crazy which is the main concern its a forced movement through all that bulk in the way. whenever Bale lifts his arms hes still not fulling straigtening them out.

In some scenes in Batman the mask looks spaced becuase during rests Keaton would take the Mask off like a hood through the mouth simple as that.

the MPAA gives movies an R rating if it has a certain amounts of kicks to the head.

Batman had one when you see him do that front kick to the swordsmans face easily. In begins i dont think its even bareable to notice what batman is doining in those fight scenes at all for most to notice are care to try.

[El Payaso]

Haha.

All that bump show and you were just restraining yourself of the inevitable Phaser...

And out of those pics you can deduce how liiiiiiiiittle less restrictive the suit was. Thing stated pages ago.

[Phaser]

Haha.

All that bump show and you were just restraining yourself of the inevitable Phaser...

No, I was only doing it so that I could have all of my posts in one page rather than have them be cluttered in the previous page along with all of ZEROCOOL's garbage.

And out of those pics you can deduce how liiiiiiiiittle less restrictive the suit was. Thing stated pages ago.

The only thing that can be called as "restrictive" on the suit is the cowl. The bodysuit is quite flexible and Bale himself has attested to that.

[BK]

Phaser, while I appreciate your willingness to back up your statements with pics, I don't even think it was that necessary. Frankly, I think it's just a waste of time. What's the time difference between B89 and BB? Like 15 years? It's only logical that BB's suit is not only better tailored, but much more flexible and easier on the body due to technological improvements. If anyone says otherwise, then they're just in plain denial. Period.

Also I don't think there was a need to berate B89 left and right due to the suit. It was such a long time ago, you have to at least give credit in starting the use of the sculpted suits. After all, Nolan did take the idea and improve on it. I mean, minds as well just trash Lucas' original SW trilogy because of it's inferior sfx to his prequel trilogy of today. Or laugh at the sight of King Kong in the original 30s film because it looks so fake when looking at it compared to Jackson's remake which has Kong look nearly life-like.

[Phaser]

still doesn't look good on film or still shots taken from the film. Phaser we already talked about how Bale Lost wieght during filming. those publicity shots show when the suit actualy fit him before the cameras rolled.

READ MY POSTS, DUMBASS.

I said he only lost weight in the first few weeks of a 4 month plus filming schedule, that's because he put on too much weight. Once they started shooting in England and Chicago, his weight was very much stable.

I thin he looks rediculous in that cape. How does it go from that big to that small when hes walking in Begins?

That's just the way it is in the comics, chimp. Of course I wouldn't expect you to understand that since you don't have freakin' clue about the comics.

notice how in those publicity photos his arms aren't raised because the costume would lift up showing the the upper portion the suit bulging and puffing.

Again, repeating the same old garbage. So WHAT if it is bulging? The suit is obviously a lot more flexible than the ones from the Burton films and it gives Bale adequate mobility.

Thats a photoe shoped photo of him turning his head on the cover id like to see the actualy picture of that.

A honest plea: please use proper English in your posts so that we can actually understand what you're blabbering about.

[ZER0C00L]

[B]READ MY POSTS, DUMBASS.

I said he only lost weight in the first few weeks of a 4 month plus filming schedule, that's because he put on too much weight. Once they started shooting in England and Chicago, his weight was very much stable.

then why was the costume designer Quoted as saying other wise?

she said the tailor had an awful time becuase his weight continued to drop dramatically and he kept haveing to continue altering the suits.

That's just the way it is in the comics, chimp. Of course I wouldn't expect you to understand that since you don't have freakin' clue about the comics.

I don't remember him wearing a really huge Velvet cape with no scallops.


Again, repeating the same old garbage. So WHAT if it is bulging? The suit is obviously a lot more flexible than the ones from the Burton films and it gives Bale adequate mobility.


Watching Batman 1989 you actualy see him moving in the suit.
Begins you hardly can and when you do you see how puffy and awkward he looks in it.


if its so much of a "so what" why are you putting so much effort into replying to me? If you were so confident in Batman Begins other peoples opnions about it wouldn't mean this much to you.

[Phaser]

The batman begins Neoprene suit bunching up looks bad and restricts him thats the point you keep ignoreing, and hiding with the name calling.

No, it doens't "restrict" him. Take a look at my latest posts.

Again hiding behind the name calling.

Or more like calling you on what you really are. :up:

why does it bother that much that i point out the faults of the movie to represent why i find faults in it? they are there obviously. if they weren't nothing would be said about that.

But the "faults" you are finding with the film obviously have no basis in fact at all. In fact, they have no basis in logic or just pure common sense either. It's just your Burtonite side dominating whatever is left of your pea-size brain.

You should try paying attention yourself. i told you i stop paying attention when the name calling sets in. so its all vague nonesence coming out from you.

No you stop paying attention when you can't provide substantial replies to my arguments. What a pathetic, spineless wrench.

I said nearly a dozen times what the batman suits were made out of and you completly ignored it until another board member stepped in to back me up.

I said it the second time you repeated yourself. Go check which post of mine that quote I presented is from. And make yourself look like an even bigger fool while you're at it.

Your anger obviously blinds you.

And your stupidity makes you senile.

Listen i can go on pointing out your foul ups to from your posts just like one in this post.

Then keep doing it chump. Not that it will do you any good.

its off topic and no point really to though.

Way to avoid the argument! How is it "off topic" really? Clearly the B89 suit is made up of thicker materials than the BB suit which is exactly the reason why it doens't crease. And if the B89 suit is made of a thicker material, then it cannot be in any way whatsoever be more "flexible" than the BB suit. Period.

Exactly the reason why i brought it up and stated so posts ago but ill say it again for you since you don't read through my posts obviously.

It looks better and doesnt bunch up to make batman look puffy and keep him restrictive from movement.

But that's irrelevant. Batman would like a joke if he's wearing a suit made out of the same materials that the Spidey and Superman suits are made out of, precisely because he is a human and does not have superpowers and relies on technical wizardry. A bare bones suit like that would make him look ridiculous in a live action movie. Just look at how bad Bartram looked in Dead End.

http://www.groberunfug.de/unfug/unfuggrafiken/us-comics/batman-freestyle.gif

this is batman and thats from a comic i dont see neopreme on his body.

I never said that the Batman from the comics wears neoprene. I said he wears "armor". Read, lowly degenerate! :up:

the cry baby is you with your temper tantrums another board member said your known to have frequently.

That's because he dropped out of an ongoing debate with me not too long ago in this very thread. He was pitifully complaining of 2 inch differences in the actors' heights and wanted a 6'5-6'8 tall Batman.

iv continued to keep my cool You have lost yours far to long ago.

Like I said, I enjoy knocking on your empty little noggins. If you look at that as me losing my cool, whatever, it's not like you have a bare understanding of anything you see or think anyways. Your thoughts about me are insignficant.

Face Value? he sounded as awful as he looked in the suit.

Keaton looked awful in the suit. A short guy in a muscle suit with an overgrown cowl does not exactly

I believe it if it were done well enough, i beleive in the Animated Series. You obviously don't.

But the Animated Series is not Batman's definitive medium. The comics are. Ever wonder why Batman is called a "COMIC BOOK CHARACTER" and not "Animated Series" character?

Look down at the comparison photos. Batman looks and is flexible in those shots from Batman 89

Batman in begins is less flexible and his suit is bunching and puffing up through out scenes in Begins.

Why don't you look at MY comparison photos chump?

Oh and B89 suit being more flexible than BB's? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :D

You see BK, this is exactly why I had to post those pics.

http://www.movie-poster.ws/movies/wallpaper/action/batmanbegins/the-batman.jpg

Notice Chest, throat, and Shoulder.

And I only see creases. Creases mean the suit is made of a thin and flexible enough material that folds accordingly to the movements of the wearer.

You curse, make fun of people, threaten, Obsess over what i say and blantently start your own temper tantrums.

And if thats true that i ignore your posts why do other board memebers have to step in to tell you that im right when i have said the statement to you bearly a dozen times.

You mean other members like CConn, raybia, ChrisBaleBatman, Nightwing1977, kit1982, LostSon88 and a couple more posters stepping in to tell you that YOU'RE the one who's wrong here?

and there not even angry about it. the people you have back you up are just like you full of anger and hate and foul language.

Actually, every single one of them has been quite civil and polite with you. I'm the only one who'se been roughing you up all along.

Know this, You Put Out What You Keep in.
You must have a terrible existence.

Trying to act all philosophical on me? Save it, jackass. You've got much more important things to take care of, like, you know, actually LEARNING the basics of the English language.

Oh I know you do, You hold my opinion so high you keep contending against it. When i just get more out of who you are as a person. angry, bitter, isloated being who is obsessive Obviously.

And you aren't any less "obsessive" to keep replying either, chimpy.

[Phaser]

Phaser, while I appreciate your willingness to back up your statements with pics, I don't even think it was that necessary. Frankly, I think it's just a waste of time. What's the time difference between B89 and BB? Like 15 years? It's only logical that BB's suit is not only better tailored, but much more flexible and easier on the body due to technological improvements. If anyone says otherwise, then they're just in plain denial. Period.

Also I don't think there was a need to berate B89 left and right due to the suit. It was such a long time ago, you have to at least give credit in starting the use of the sculpted suits. After all, Nolan did take the idea and improve on it. I mean, minds as well just trash Lucas' original SW trilogy because of it's inferior sfx to his prequel trilogy of today. Or laugh at the sight of King Kong in the original 30s film because it looks so fake when looking at it compared to Jackson's remake which has Kong look nearly life-like.

Look down at the comparison photos. Batman looks and is flexible in those shots from Batman 89

Batman in begins is less flexible and his suit is bunching and puffing up through out scenes in Begins.

As you see, it's pure idiocy that's going on in this thread. Fools like ZEROCOOL are actually fighting for the argument that the B89 suit is more "flexible" than BB's. This forum has truly reached a new low.

[Phaser]

then why was the costume designer Quoted as saying other wise?

she said the tailor had an awful time becuase his weight continued to drop dramatically and he kept haveing to continue altering the suits.

Lindy Hemming is talking about the first few weeks where his weight kept dropping (you inanely added the word "dramatically"). Since most of the suits are designed and tailored either before filming or in the earliest phases of filming, you can easily understand what she was implying. Suits are not made half-way through filming. Besides, didn't Bale say that the suits fit him "absolutely perfectly" in one of those links to an interview that I posted? Why do you keep ignoring that?

I don't remember him wearing a really huge Velvet cape with no scallops.

The cape DOES have scallops, but relatively few compared to Keaton's suit. I believe it has at least 6 scallops, you can see them whenever he spreads his cape. Oh and the "velvet" cape has come closest to imitating the form and function of the cape as it is seen in the comics.

Watching Batman 1989 you actualy see him moving in the suit.
Begins you hardly can and when you do you see how puffy and awkward he looks in it.

Still in pathetic denial? I've already posted pics to the effect that literally rip apart your baseless claims to shreds. The Begins suit IS more flexible than B89's and Bale is unquestionably faster, nimbler and more agile than Keaton, both in movement and during the fights.

if its so much of a "so what" why are you putting so much effort into replying to me? If you were so confident in Batman Begins other peoples opnions about it wouldn't mean this much to you.

It's your OTHER arguments that compel me to keep replying, and the fact that you still continue to play dumb about many, many other points that I've raised and try to sidestep them with even more of your mindless banter. Just play fair, address every single argument I've presented one by one and this whole "discussion" will be over in no time.

[BK]

As you see, it's pure idiocy that's going on in this thread. Fools like ZEROCOOL are actually fighting for the argument that the B89 suit is more "flexible" than BB's. This forum has truly reached a new low.
Personally I think it's reaching if anyone thinks the 89 suit is more flexible or easier for the body than the BB suit. It's pure fact the BB suit is lighter and more flexible (regardless of the creases), so I don't really know where anyone is going with that.

As I said before, I think it's pointless trying to argue over it. It's clear as day neither of you will back down, so as overdue as it is, it's best to "agree to disagree".

[Milkman95]

Hilarious thread, but some great pics in here. You can clearly tell there's 16 years between the projects - the Begins suit is far more flexible and better constructed. With that being said, I still like the Keaton films even though the cowl is loose, the eye-holes are bad, and he can't turn or lift up his head - it was great for back then. Today?, uh, NO.

[El Payaso]

Bale still have turn neck-look up problems.

So, today? Uh, maybe.

No, I was only doing it so that I could have all of my posts in one page rather than have them be cluttered in the previous page along with all of ZEROCOOL's garbage.

****. And to think we could have lost all of this valuable reading! :joker:

The only thing that can be called as "restrictive" on the suit is the cowl. The bodysuit is quite flexible and Bale himself has attested to that.

You know, all those actors and directors always talk praises about the movies they do themselves. I can't take that kind of self-glorifications statements for serious anymore ('You have never seen this in a movie' 'This is totally new' 'We couldn't have done this 10 years ago').

[ZER0C00L]

the Batman Begins suit forces flexebility. look at all the creases and puffiness. it doesnt take away from the fact it looks awful in movement.

[Milkman95]

Yeah, Bale still had some neck problems, but just not to the ridiculous level Keaton did.........

[El Payaso]

Ridiculous is in the eye of the hater.

[ZER0C00L]

Bale still have turn neck-look up problems.

So, today? Uh, maybe.


You know, all those actors and directors always talk praises about the movies they do themselves. I can't take that kind of self-glorifications statements for serious anymore ('You have never seen this in a movie' 'This is totally new' 'We couldn't have done this 10 years ago').

i agree.

the suit fits Bale perfect in the publicity Photos. but as filming went on the costume looks obviously baggy on him and bulky in movement. You hardly visualy see him fighting when he's in the suit when you do its obviously flawed with how it wears on his body.

Yeah, Bale still had some neck problems

I stated, Posts ago that Both costumes were flawed. Phaser has the strong urge to turn this into a competition to which Batman is the better Batman by Bashing the animated series and 1989 movie.

I ended it Posts ago with stating Batman has been in every shape and form and its up to the viewer to decide but he can't let it go. Once i answered the question of the topic he had to go on Bashing Micheal Keaton out of no where.

its fine to wiegh out the pro's and cons. But Phaser can't do that Obviously. he just hates on the films, animated shows, myself and whoever backs me up or doesn't agree with him.

Both films have problems. Phaser made this a personal vendetta to go up against anyone who has a different opinion towards Batman Begins. Once i leave the forums he bashes me amongst other members.

No one has the right to bully anyone out of a forum becuase they have a different opinion.

Phaser i asked you to Quit with the Name Calling repeatively and respectively. Stop.

[Milkman95]

Ridiculous is in the eye of the hater.

Admitting your faults is one of the first steps to recovery. I'm glad you've taken that step hater............:up:

[Milkman95]

Sorry, double post clowns..........

[El Payaso]

Admitting your faults is one of the first steps to recovery. I'm glad you've taken that step hater............:up:

So I'm still one step ahead of you. great.:up:

[Phaser]

Bale still have turn neck-look up problems.

Actually, the problem is only while turning his neck to extreme degrees. He can look up and down just fine, and even slightly turn his head to the left and right...if you look at the pics I posted and pay attention to the film.

You know, all those actors and directors always talk praises about the movies they do themselves. I can't take that kind of self-glorifications statements for serious anymore ('You have never seen this in a movie' 'This is totally new' 'We couldn't have done this 10 years ago').

It still makes a lot more sense than some bent-up Burtonite claiming that the suit in BB is less flexible than one in B89. We all know what kind of crap he's been eating to come those kind of asinine conclusions.

[Phaser]

the Batman Begins suit forces flexebility. look at all the creases and puffiness. it doesnt take away from the fact it looks awful in movement.

"Forced flexibility"? Yet another oxymoron coming from half-wits who are poorly equipped in the use of the English language.

[ZER0C00L]

Phaser stop the name calling Now.

I don't even care anymore im bored of Batman Begins and thinking about how off topic this thread went. So i'll get the thread back on topic again and say it again...


Lets Go Back On Topic.

"Anyone still feel Bale wasn't the right choice??"

Bale was the wrong choice for batman but good for the film Nolan and Goyer executed poorly.

[Phaser]

the suit fits Bale perfect in the publicity Photos. but as filming went on the costume looks obviously baggy on him and bulky in movement.

Again, those are simply creases resulting from body movement.

You hardly visualy see him fighting when he's in the suit when you do its obviously flawed with how it wears on his body.

You can't see him fighting clearly is because of the quick-cut camera angles, not the suit. Freeze motion screencaps I've posted show that he can punch, kick and dodge with greater speed, accuracy and height than Keaton quite effortlessly. Keaton can barely lift and thrush his leg above his head, while every kick Batman delivers in BB is much, much higher. How? Simple. The suit is more flexible. You can't pull of all those maneuvers so fast in a suit that's restrictive. It's basic logic and common sense. And looks like you won't have any of it. :down:

I stated, Posts ago that Both costumes were flawed. Phaser has the strong urge to turn this into a competition to which Batman is the better Batman by Bashing the animated series and 1989 movie.

Stop swimming in your own pile of filth. I was defending Keaton's version of Batman before you popped into this thread. And like I stated in the beginning of this debate, what appears to be Keaton bashing on my part is only me taking the kind of mindless and inane arguments you use towards Bale and then simply applying them towards Keaton.

And I never "bashed" the Animated Series. I dare you to present a quote to disprove that, jackass.

I ended it Posts ago with stating Batman has been in every shape and form and its up to the viewer to decide but he can't let it go. Once i answered the question of the topic he had to go on Bashing Micheal Keaton out of no where.

Why? Me bashing Keaton is now getting on your nerves? You poor, poor boy.

its fine to wiegh out the pro's and cons. But Phaser can't do that Obviously. he just hates on the films, animated shows, myself and whoever backs me up or doesn't agree with him.

Ah, so now you've run out of defenses that you're playing the "hater" card against me? I've argued in favor of both the Keaton's Batman and TAS in this very thread and I can prove it with quotes. You, on the other hand, haven't said anything even remotely positive about Begins, what with spewing out trash like "bumbling moron in Batsuit", "makes her *****" and whatnot. One doesn't even have to try to see who's the biased partisan sitting on the schtick here.

Both films have problems. Phaser made this a personal vendetta to go up against anyone who has a different opinion towards Batman Begins. Once i leave the forums he bashes me amongst other members.

You complain that the fight scenes in Begins were poorly cut and I can understand that. It's valid argument.

You complain that Martha Wayne was given the shaft in Begins and won't argue with you. Again, because it's a valid complaint.

You complain that Falcone was poor translation of the comics, again a valid complaint.

You complain that the Scarecrow had very little screentime and I won't argue with you.

You complain that you don't like the design of the Tumbler, again, it's an aesthetical preference, so no problem there.

Those are but a couple of the kind of issues people have with Begins and I won't debate with you on the matter simply because there IS some substance in those arguments.

But NONE of your arguments are even remotely close to being as substantial and well-thought out. You've been criticising the film like a childish teenager who has a personal grudge against the film and hence, does not try to avoid having his bias take over his sense of logical reasoning and judgement.

That's why you're making inane arguments like the BB Batsuit being "less flexible" than B89's (biggest load of crap I've ever read on the boards, recently).

That's why you're claiming that Bale was "shrinking" throught filming when that quote from the costume designer was only pointing towards Bale decreasing his weight to optimum levels during the early phase of filming. I've even provided direct interview quotes as well as pictures with dates to counter that asinine assumption.

Oh and you always, ALWAYS, ignore the simple fact that Bale said that the suit fit him perfectly, which subsequently throws your "baggy suit" blabber right out the window.

You argue that creases are a sign of inflexibility when it is the exact opposite. A material creases because it is thin and flexible, bending and reacting to the wearer's body movements, which the BB suit is. No creases means the material is thick and inflexible, and hence, the wearer has to adjust his movement and his stance according to the extent the suit allows. You clearly see Keaton suffering from this problem when he can't even deliver a decent kick, or when he does that stupid turntable duck in Returns.

No one has the right to bully anyone out of a forum becuase they have a different opinion.

I'm not "bullying" you because you have a "different opinion". I'm "bullying" you because what you're saying has zero basis in fact and makes practically NO SENSE at all, whatsover.

Phaser i asked you to Quit with the Name Calling repeatively and respectively. Stop.

I will stop the name calling when you'll cease putting words in my mouth about unnecessarily bashing the Burton films and TAS, when it is very much clear that I didn't (quite the contrary, I've argued in favor of them in this very thread), while YOU on the other hand, have shown a disgustingly biased attitude against Begins.

You want to settle all this in a civil manner? Then play your cards straight and play fair.

[ZER0C00L]

I'm "bullying" you

Phaser can't let it go.

Quit your temper tantrum.

Your Ignored.

[LostSon88]

Neither can you, considering how many times you've declared to STOP talking to the people in this thread. How many times have you said that you're done talking? Yet here you are...pathetic.

[Phaser]

Phaser can't let it go...Pathetic.

Or more like ZEROCOOL is too much of an incompetent and gutless retarded moron to post a direct reply to all those pics, interviews and arguments I posted. Yep, that's it. :up:

[ZER0C00L]

Neither can you, considering how many times you've declared to STOP talking to the people in this thread. How many times have you said that you're done talking? Yet here you are...pathetic.

No one has the right to bully anyone out of a forum becuase they have a different opinion. Phaser admitted to being a bully and i wont allow it by backing out to a bully.

"Anyone still feel Bale wasn't the right choice??"

Discuss.

[El Payaso]

Actually, the problem is only while turning his neck to extreme degrees. He can look up and down just fine, and even slightly turn his head to the left and right...if you look at the pics I posted and pay attention to the film.

That's a nice way to say 'BB suit is liiiiiiiiiiiiittle less restrictive than B89', which I stated two pages ago.

But what the hell, you're right.

It still makes a lot more sense than some bent-up Burtonite claiming that the suit in BB is less flexible than one in B89. We all know what kind of crap he's been eating to come those kind of asinine conclusions.

I think it's not eatable but injectable. I hate this needle-fear of mine.

[Phaser]

No one has the right to bully anyone out of a forum becuase they have a different opinion. Phaser admitted to being a bully and i wont allow it by backing out to a bully.

Uh, no I didn't. That's why put the "bullying" in inverted commas.

Hehe...;)

[ZER0C00L]

El Payaso

how do you feel on Bale playing Batman?

[Mister J]

I just picked back up on this thread (can't believe it's gone this long). Anyway, Phaser that was some damn good work with the pics a few pages back. Obviously, the suit's improved over time since back in '89, but I enjoyed the comparisons. I think Keaton's suit was somewhere around 70 lbs., compared to Bale's at around 20-25. I'm much happier with the Begins suit (save a few fanboy modifications, but that's been covered at length). At any rate, that's tight work, man.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Bale was perfect.

Btw, yeah...Phaser does great work here, he's always on his game.

[LostSon88]

Too bad this thread didn't have a poll, but then again considering that it's the general consensus that Bale was perfect I guess it would've been unnecessary...;)

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Indeed.

[Shawn Wayne]

Phaser, you're crackin' me up. Some of the best stuff I've read on here in awhile

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Phaser is totally owning this thread.

[LostSon88]

Phaser is totally owning this thread.

Yes, yes he is. :up:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Now all we need is an awesome OWNAGE pic of Batman Begins to stamp the seal of approval.

Anyone got one?

[The Only Woj]

As much as I'd like to see Gyllenhaal's Batman or freakin' Dawson's Creek Pacey's Batman ... it is IMPOSSIBLE to picture anyone else in BB, simply because they aren't believeable. I truely believe that Bale could do anything he did in the movie. I would not be surprised if Bale is one day found swinging from an elevated monorail and fighting ninjas.

[WormyT]

I can't believe in all honesty that anyone would think The Burton suits look or move better than the Begins suit.

If anything, the BB suit pays homage to the 89 suit by having similar texture overall but totally improves on the mobility, style and fitting.
B89 fans should be happy they didn't stray too far from the 89 movie.
I was extrememly disappointed when I saw 89 when batman was trapped in that suit and moving like a man with wooden stumps for his legs and neck. This was not the batman i read in te comics. "This is NOT batman," i said to people but they wouldn't listen because I was a horney little 14 year old.

But I still feel like the suit could use another 30% improvement. It's still only 70% there but its a HUGE improvement on B89.

(Jim Aparo full time Batman artist in 89, R.I.P)

[ZER0C00L]

If anything, the BB suit pays homage to the 89 suit by having similar texture overall but totally improves on the mobility, style and fitting.
B89 fans should be happy they didn't stray too far from the 89 movie

I wanted Nolan and Goyer to Stray as Far Away from the Tim Burton movie(s) and the Shumaker ones and specially with the look of the costume to get away from the rubber.

That is why i think it was done better The First Time. Like the plot, the love interest, gassing of Gotham.

The movie didn't seem not to all familure. Thats why time to time people step in saying that its a prequel when it's Not, but has to many elements from the first film which shows they didn't stray far enough as they could have.

[El Payaso]

El Payaso



how do you feel on Bale playing Batman?

I think he did pretty well. Except for the voice. The voice was terribly forced to sound 'deep, low and animalistic' but most of times Batman's voice is not that different of Bruce Wayne's.

Of course there's scenes as the Flass interrogatory where everything works just fine.

Phaser is totally owning this thread.

What? Maybe he owns you. But stop it there.

Yes, yes he is.

Now all we need is an awesome OWNAGE pic of Batman Begins to stamp the seal of approval.

Anyone got one?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/alejansolo/CBALE2.jpg

[ZER0C00L]

lol omg thats disgusting but disturbingly true. there rubbing each other off left and right all over this thread.

[raybia]

Phaser stop the name calling Now.

I don't even care anymore im bored of Batman Begins and thinking about how off topic this thread went. So i'll get the thread back on topic again and say it again...


Lets Go Back On Topic.

"Anyone still feel Bale wasn't the right choice??"

Bale was the wrong choice for batman but good for the film Nolan and Goyer executed poorly.

IMO Bale was the perfect choice. I felt he would be when I first saw him in American Psycho and that was confirmed after viewing BB. If I had to pick a second, I would go with Clive Owen but all of the other serious candidates for the role were horrible choices, especially if you are trying to pick an actor who best embodies the character from the comic book.

Zero, you are entitled to your opinion but you are clearly a Burtonite. Your hostilily towards any Non-Burton Batman production is evident and as a result, I find it hard to believe that you would ever give credit where credit is due on any non-Burton Batman production.

You don't have to like BB but I resent that you came on this board and essentially belitted Nolan, Goyer, Bale and all associated with this production and those who enjoyed BB all because of your insecurities of BB overshadowing B'89.

B'89 was good for its time and all Batfans have to praise it for what it did for our beloved character and it was of course the forefather for BB.

But both films can exist without one or the other threatening it. And fans such as myself can be allowed to enjoy and be fans of both without undergoing some internal conflict.

Is BB perfect? Of course not. Name one movie that is. Is BB an improvement over B'89? In many ways yes, but of course, with four previous movies (some good, some bad, and some ugly) for WB and Nolan to learn from, it should have been.

Just like the sequel to BB, SHOULD be better than the first.

These movies are adaptated from over 60 years of source material. As a result, there is no definitive Batman and there will never be a "Definitive" Batman movie.

So for me, I just want a Batman movie that will be entertaining and a enjoyable movie experience and that is both financially successful and critically acclaimed.

So Zero, no matter what criticism you heap upon BB and regardless on how you or I feel about it, that is one thing that cannot be argued (even though I'm sure you will do regardless.)

But hey, you and the other Burtonites should be very happy. Even though you hate the subsequent Batfilms, you will always have the Burton productions.

The rest of us have B'89 and BB to enjoy and love and the sequel to look forward to.

So grow up and get over it.

Bale is the actor who has the role of Batman.

Your bitterness will not change that fact.

[El Payaso]

Bale is an actor you know... an actor that plays Batman...

[ZER0C00L]

Zero, you are entitled to your opinion

You don't have to like BB

B'89 was good for its time and all Batfans have to praise it for what it did for our beloved character and it was of course the forefather for BB.

Just like the sequel to BB, SHOULD be better than the first.

The rest of us have B'89 and BB to enjoy and love and the sequel to look forward to.

So grow up and get over it.

Bale is the actor who has the role of Batman.

Your bitterness will not change that fact.

I have stated numerous times that im looking foward to the Batman Begins Sequels in threads, and talk about the villians and such for the upcoming movie.

I even mention points i do Like about Batman Begins. If i was a true hater of Batman Begins i wouldn't let that out:o

You obviously dont know what your talking about when it comes to what i do like, its better then what others do and ignore that and blindly put hate upon me.

Thanks for being calm and collected and open.

Im also a Huge fan of the Batman Animated series. Burton was not involved in that and I hold that as the closest and best representation of Batman.:O

People who are threatend by what i say about Batman Begins try to over shadow me by calling me names, hating on me and threatening me.
Phaser Lostson88 and others always drag Batman 1989 into the Batman Begins forums when someone has faults with the New Batman Begins. which is just uncalled for.

So readers like you only get my defence to what i liked about Batman 1989 wich has no purpose in Begins threads.

When you read about people rubbing each other off that they are doing a good job in this thread there the same ones who call everyone else names for having an opinion different from someone elses like my own. they are trolls.



I only call someone a troll when they make fun of people, curse them out, gang up on others.

someone who has different opinions and asks questions and posts what they feel is not a troll.

There are Trolls=bullies threatening people roaming around message boards for years trying to inhabit this place.

Trolls live under bridges where they don't belong bullying who ever crosses it. Same with Board Memebers.

[LostSon88]

People who are threatend by what i say about Batman Begins try to over shadow me by calling me names, hating on me and threatening me.

Only after you instigate it.

Phaser Lostson88 and others always drag Batman 1989 into the Batman Begins forums when someone has faults with the New Batman Begins. which is just uncalled for.

What's also uncalled for is the constant insults on Batman Begins and its production crew...like your rants on Goyer? Oh, and how about calling Bale's interpretation of Bruce Wayne as "idiotic" "moron" "b*tch". Again, you're the one who introduces these terms into the discussion, NOT ME, NOT Phaser, NOT ChrisBale, NOT Nightwing, etc. YOU!. So excuse us for responding in kind.

What's a matter? Can't take what you dish out?

So readers like you only get my defence to what i liked about Batman 1989 wich has no purpose in Begins threads.

But
Feel free to critique, analyze, give your opinion, etc. all you want, that is cool, but once YOU start getting nasty towards OUR favorite Bat-film we'll do the same--simple as that.

Stop making yourself out to be a complete innocent....troll.

[ZER0C00L]

What's also uncalled for is the constant insults on Batman Begins and its production crew...like your rants on Goyer? Oh, and how about calling Bale's interpretation of Bruce Wayne as "idiotic" "moron" "b*tch". Again, you're the one who introduces these terms into the discussion, NOT ME, NOT PHASER, NOT CHRISBALE, etc. YOU. So excuse us for responding in kind.

What's a matter? Can't take what you dish out?


Feel free to critique, analyze, give your opinion, etc. all you want, that is cool, but once YOU start getting nasty towards OUR favorite Bat-film we'll do the same--simple as that.

Again its geared towards the movie, No one on the Boards.

Its my opinion if you can't live with the fact that Bruce Wayne gets ***** slapped by Dawes then you see it a different way. thats fine. I don't call you names for it, bash you, threaten you, hate you Or even get angry about it.

"Anyone still feel Bale wasn't the right choice??"
thats the question and and i feel he wasn't Nolan wasnt and Goyer wasn't. Im not going to agree to not get bashed on. Its how i feel. Big deal, you give me to much credit as if im dropping a bomb and destroying this movie for everybody if its that perfect.

[LostSon88]

It doesn't matter whether or not you directed those words at us OR the film, the fact of the matter is that when you resort to using that kind of language on this board, don't expect us to just stand idly and let you. I don't know if I can stand for everyone else but I have never resorted to bashing Batman 89' UNLESS I was provoked by some dude...particulary one who comes into a Batman BEGINS thread and uses such inappropriate language as he critiques the film. Look at my past posts, I have NEVER cursed around others on these boards unless their name was ZER0COOL or BatWing6655.

Your more than welcome to express your opinon, so long as it's respectful (language-wise) to everyone else on these boards. Once you take it to that level then my treatment and respect level towards said person changes.

Get your head outta your ass.

[ZER0C00L]

I have NEVER cursed around others on these boards unless their name was ZER0COOL or BatWing6655.


Its my opinion if you can't live with the fact that Bruce Wayne gets ***** slapped by Dawes then you see it a different way. thats fine. I don't call you names for it, bash you, threaten you, hate you Or even get angry about it.

Get your head outta your ass.

Your more than welcome to express your opinon, so long as it's respectful (language-wise) to everyone else on these boards. Once you take it to that level then my treatment and respect level towards said person changes.

So whats another Word for B tch slapped?

It doesn't matter whether or not you directed those words at us OR the film

How i feel about a movie gives no one the right to bash me with vulgarity. In this thread Someone said they "rapped" me with what they said, and "sodomized" me...

trolls.

[LostSon88]

How i feel about a movie gives no one the right to bash me with vulgarity. In this thread Someone said they "rapped" me with what they said, and "sodomized" me...

trolls.

Only after YOU posted these sexually suggestive images of Christian Bale:

http://www.christianbale.net/galleries/vg/images/vg_267.jpg

http://www.christianbale.net/galleries/vg/images/vg_277.jpg

"Welcome to the Hershey Highway Batman".

http://www.christianbale.net/galleries/vg/images/vg_285.jpg

"gulp"!

http://www.christianbale.net/galleries/vg/images/vg_144.jpg
"He said it wouldn't hurt"!



What the **** did this have to do with this thread?! Again, DON'T DISH OUT WHAT YOU CAN'T TAKE, idiot.

[ZER0C00L]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/mark_phaser/dclj4.jpg

:D

Because someone had to drag an actor that this thread isn't even about into the forum. on page 16 of this thread, that photo was posted.

Bale was in Velvet Goldmine. Bale was in Batman Begins. so i posted these scenes from Velvet Goldmine on page 17 of this thread.

[LostSon88]

So someone posting a RANDOM image of Michael Keaton saying "I'm Batman" compelled you to post images of Christian Bale getting sodomized? Damn, dude. :confused:

Again, YOU were the one to take it that far.

[ZER0C00L]

So someone posting a RANDOM image of Michael Keaton saying "I'm Batman" compelled you to post images of Christian Bale getting sodomized? Damn, dude. :confused:

This is a bale thread, this is not a Keaton thread.

Right after i got this thread back on track a poster had to Drag Batman 1989 back into the forum by posting the Keaton picture.

so i got it back on course again reminding everyone this is a thread about Bale.

[LostSon88]

So you thought that posting pictures of Christian Bale getting raped would get this thread back on track? :confused:

What the hell did you think was gonna happen, troll? You knew exactly how we'd react when you posted such sexually suggestive images that have no place in this thread (or any for that matter).

[ZER0C00L]

So you thought that posting pictures of Christian Bale getting raped would get this thread back on track? :confused:

What the hell did you think was gonna happen, troll? You knew exactly what was going to happen when you posted such sexually suggestive images.

Bale wasn't being rapped in the movie. Bale was Bisexual in the movie and he wanted it to happen, that was a love scene.

He posted the Keaton Picture First. So i brought the thread back to being about Bale which this thread is about.

Your a bully, name calling troll who can't stop instigating a fight with me. Im defending myself and im finished with this.

[LostSon88]

Your a bully, name calling troll who can't stop instigating a fight with me. Im defending myself and im finished with this.

Oh, my gosh you say this so much you should make it your sig. :o

Why don't you do all of us a favor and ACTUALLY FOLLOW THROUGH?!


:Cue: predictable response by ZER0....

[Milkman95]

Damn, I leave for a few hours and Zero gets OWNED........

[raybia]

I even mention points i do Like about Batman Begins. If i was a true hater of Batman Begins i wouldn't let that out:o

Yeah you did not you were really harsh in your critique of this film (It wasn't B&R you know ;) ) and you did come across as a hater. I guess you got caught up in the heat of battle.



You obviously dont know what your talking about when it comes to what i do like, its better then what others do and ignore that and blindly put hate upon me.

I can only call it the way I read it.

Thanks for being calm and collected and open.

No problem. Some one has to.


I'm also a Huge fan of the Batman Animated series. Burton was not involved in that and I hold that as the closest and best representation of Batman.:O .

Now you make it really hard for me to dislike you. :D

People who are threatend by what i say about Batman Begins try to over shadow me by calling me names, hating on me and threatening me.
Phaser Lostson88 and others always drag Batman 1989 into the Batman Begins forums when someone has faults with the New Batman Begins. which is just uncalled for.


Piece of advise. Never stoop down to the level of those you are debating if you instead to call them out on that behavior.

Again, it really seems like a pointless debate. The movie was acclaimed by many moviegoers and critics alike and it was deemed a blockbuster and a financial success at both the box office and with DVD rentals and sales. Even my wife who hates these type of movies loved it for it serious dramatic realistic approach. Nolan made a movie that made it very easy to suspend your disbelief and as a result this film picked new fans that it wouldn't had otherwise. From this standpoint, Bale was the right choice.

I'm really looking forward to the sequel and I think that even some of your complaints about BB will be satisfied in it.

[ZER0C00L]

Yeah you did not you were really harsh in your critique of this film (It wasn't B&R you know ;) ) and you did come across as a hater. I guess you got caught up in the heat of battle.

Totally got caught up in the heat, he was hateing on Batman the animated series and Batman 1989 for no justifiable reason, this is a bale thread.

Now you make it really hard for me to dislike you. :D

thats cool. Theres really no reason to. i didn't get mean to anyone. I just called Batman Begins out on questionable opinions.



Piece of advise. Never stoop down to the level of those you are debating if you instead to call them out on that behavior.

Yeah its hard, When you leave they all rub each other off like they did a good job Cursing someone out and Threatening them away.

I don't believe anyone should be Bullied out of a forum. thats why things don't change becuase a lot of people give in.


I'm really looking forward to the sequel and I think that even some of your complaints about BB will be satisfied in it.

Me to, and im hoping they are.

any movie or franchise i care this much about to spend the time stating my opinion about i hope it doesn't all on deaf ears and changes take place to make it as good as it can be.

Im never saying "Don't watch Begins" Im saying this movie fell here and there, it can go to better places if it doesn't do what i feel faulted it in batman begins.

[Super_Ludacris]

I never thought there was a gayer flame war on these boards than Welling vs. Routh but somehow Keaton vs. Bale is becoming that

Who cares who plays the character as long as the movie is good (which it was)

[LostSon88]

Piece of advise. Never stoop down to the level of those you are debating if you instead to call them out on that behavior.

You may have a point raybia, but as I stated before, ZER0's the one who started it. I'll try and take your advice into consideration next time, though. :up:

Typically i'd say let bygones be bygones but....me and ZER0 have been going at it for a while now. :O

EDIT: Oh, and SuperLudacris...WELLING SHOULD'VE BEEN SUPERMAN! :supes:




















:p j/k

[Two-Face]

I never thought there was a gayer flame war on these boards than Welling vs. Routh but somehow Keaton vs. Bale is becoming that

Who cares who plays the character as long as the movie is good (which it was)

I agree:up:

[Super_Ludacris]

It's a tribute to both Superman and Batman and there iconic status that there is a great catalouge of live action work that people love

[raybia]

You may have a point raybia, but as I stated before, ZER0's the one who started it. I'll try and take your advice into consideration next time, though. :up:





I wasn't passing judgment on you or Phaser by saying that, I was just making a point: If you are going to fight fire with fire, don't complaint if you get burnt.

[DarkKnight666]

how can you say keaton is better than bale when keaton BARELY TALKED AS BATMAN?

[LostSon88]

DarkKnight:

First--Welcome to the boards. :)

Second--You should really check out the previous pages, they're pretty good. :up: (About 18-22) :D

[Phaser]

Because someone had to drag an actor that this thread isn't even about into the forum. on page 16 of this thread, that photo was posted.

Just so you know, it was YOU who "dragged" Keaton in this debate by comparing him with Bale. God forbid we actually do the exact the same thing you did. :rolleyes:

Here's a few quotes from your very first posts in this thread:

When Bale was in and out of the bat suit being his true self not his playboy image i was most dissapointed that he wasn't even half as tortured as Micheal Keaton potrayed it in Batman.

Keatons Batman was prepared for what he had placed upon himself.

I would have never even mentioned Keaton if you hadn't brought him into this in the first place. Guess all that garbage about you sobbing like a crybaby over me needlessly picking on Keaton's performance was just pathetic wailing on your part, trying play "victim".

Bale was in Velvet Goldmine. Bale was in Batman Begins. so i posted these scenes from Velvet Goldmine on page 17 of this thread.

That pic of Keaton I posted was a joke, jackass. That's why I put the ":D" smiley there. And if you look at the pic, Keaton's expression and the caption, if anything, it's funny and not at all serious. I'm not surprised a bent up Burtonite like you got so pissed and insulted by something as harmless as that and instead posted those pics from Velvet Goldmine.

Yeah, now we all know who's the insecure fanboy. :down:

[LostSon88]

:eek: I had a feeling he was the one to bring up Keaton! I was just to lazy to go back and prove it.

Ah, whatever...ZER0 and I have been goin' at it all day.

[DarkKnight666]

DarkKnight:

First--Welcome to the boards. :)

Second--You should really check out the previous pages, they're pretty good. :up: (About 18-22) :D

thanks for the welcome, and sorry if i didnt really feel like going through 24 pages.

[Phaser]

Ah, whatever...ZER0 and I have been goin' at it all day.

Yes, I can see that. Fortunately, the whole catalog of his ridiculous, absurd and contradictory posts in this thread is quite excellent a trove for using his own words against him. ;)

[LostSon88]

Indeed. :D

[ZER0C00L]

Just so you know, it was YOU who "dragged" Keaton in this debate by comparing him with Bale. God forbid we actually do the exact the same thing you did.


I would have never even mentioned Keaton if you hadn't brought him into this in the first place. Guess all that garbage about you sobbing like a crybaby over me needlessly picking on Keaton's performance was just pathetic wailing on your part, trying play "victim":

I had a feeling he was the one to bring up Keaton! I was just to lazy to go back and prove it.

Old 01-16-2006, 09:41 PM
ChrisBaleBatman
The Playboy image IS the only way to go. It's been Bruce Wayne's thing since Bob Kane and Bill Finger created him.......it's the good 'ol "ZORRO" cover.

Bale is by far the best Bruce Wayne ever. IMO.

I could understand other people's arguments in Keaton being the best Batman, although I would totally disagree.....but I can understand people's POV in that argument.....but I don't think there can be much of an argument in Bruce Wayne category.

Personally.....Hail Bale.

01-16-2006, 10:44 PM
ZER0C00L
i like that best about Begins how they played that up. i like that more then the batman character in this movie.

When Bale was in and out of the bat suit being his true self not his playboy image i was most dissapointed that he wasn't even half as tortured as Micheal Keaton potrayed it in Batman.

that just didnt seem like batman at all to me but Bale played a phoney extremely well.
Last edited by ZER0C00L : 01-16-2006 at 10:57 PM.

I WASN'T the first person to bring up Keaton in this Forum. Phaser, Lostson88 Your Liars. That was Posted three Posts before I even entered the conversation with my opinion about the statement.

[itsthebatman]

Obviously bale was the right choice he kicked ass. best combo of bruce wayne and bats ever!:batman:

[Phaser]

Old 01-16-2006, 09:41 PM
ChrisBaleBatman


01-16-2006, 10:44 PM
ZER0C00L

Last edited by ZER0C00L : 01-16-2006 at 10:57 PM.

I WASN'T the first person to bring up Keaton in this Forum. Phaser, Lostson88 Your Liars. That was Posted three Posts before I even entered the conversation with my opinion about the statement.

ChrisBaleBatman was not comparing Bale and Keaton like you did, you dumbass. He was only replying to posters who had already brought up Keaton MUCH earlier in this thread, saying that he understands the viewpoint of those who still think that Keaton was the best Batman.

For humanity's sake, learn some basic English ya big pile of feces.

[ZER0C00L]

He was only replying to posters who had already brought up Keaton MUCH earlier in this thread


Thats right.Wasn't me:eek:

Just so you know, it was YOU who "dragged" Keaton in this debate

you dumbass.


I would have never even mentioned Keaton if you hadn't brought him into this in the first place.

ya big pile of feces

[El Payaso]

I would have never even mentioned Keaton if you hadn't brought him into this in the first place.
He was only replying to posters who had already brought up Keaton MUCH earlier in this thread

Well well well...

For humanity's sake learn what's the meaning of the word 'first' ya pile of happiness.

[raybia]

I have a feeling this thread is going to be closed soon.

[Phaser]

Well well well...

For humanity's sake learn what's the meaning of the word 'first' ya pile of happiness.

Context. You'd all do well to learn what it is. Keaton was brought up earlier in this thread in completely different arguments that had nothing to do with ZER0's garbage.

When I mean "first", I meant that ZERO was himself the first one to bring Keaton in and compare him to Bale in the whole new argument which HE started. Instead of admitting that he brings up Keaton himself in his very first post in this thread, he accuses me and LostSon88 of needlessly "dragging" Keaton in this thread, when in fact, we were only replying to the comparisons he instigated to begin with.

[ZER0C00L]

it was YOU who "dragged" Keaton in this debate

He was only replying to posters who had already brought up Keaton MUCH earlier in this thread

I would have never even mentioned Keaton if you hadn't brought him into this in the first place.

For humanity's sake, learn some basic English ya big pile of feces.

I have a feeling this thread is going to be closed soon.

If people stop instigating fights they can't win and just let the thread continue on that doesn't have to happen.

[Phaser]

Stop instigating fights you can't win and just let the thread continue.

And what does your above mindless babble do to refute my posts that you've quoted?

Hahahahaha, you probably didn't even have the first clue as to what to write, so you just hastily scribbled down the first lame, half-witted comeback that sparked in your peanut brain. Good work, skippy.

Oh and judging from your overly defensive attitude, it DOES seem like I am indeed "winning" these "fights" :D :up:

[ZER0C00L]

So any way, umpteenth time iv done this now.

"Anyone still feel Bale wasn't the right choice??"

No, neither was Goyer, Or Nolan more notabley.

I don't believe he's the end-all-be-all of Bruce Waynes and Batmen. There are alot of actors out there that could have done a hell of a job, just as good as Christian.

And I have to agree again, Bana would've kicked ass.

I agree.

[Super_Ludacris]

And yet it was the one of the biggest success stories, you aint gotta like it but you have to admit generally everyone gave it the thumbs up especially to Bale and Nolan . It aint Burton but that's the past that was a classic this is the new school classic

[Two-Face]

Exactly Super Ludacris

[LostSon88]

Exactly SuperLudacris. :up: (sorry Two-Face, didn't mean to copy but it's how I feel :O )

[El Payaso]

And yet it was the one of the biggest success stories, you aint gotta like it but you have to admit generally everyone gave it the thumbs up especially to Bale and Nolan . It aint Burton but that's the past that was a classic this is the new school classic

In fact both movies are very much complementary. The bad about Burton's movie, Nolan did it quite right and vice versa.

[Mister J]

And what does your above mindless babble do to refute my posts that you've quoted?

Hahahahaha, you probably didn't even have the first clue as to what to write, so you just hastily scribbled down the first lame, half-witted comeback that sparked in your peanut brain. Good work, skippy.

Oh and judging from your overly defensive attitude, it DOES seem like I am indeed "winning" these "fights" :D :up:

It's just so funny.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

What? Maybe he owns you. But stop it there.


What the hell does that even mean??

lol omg thats disgusting but disturbingly true. there rubbing each other off left and right all over this thread.


What the hell does that even mean??

Because someone had to drag an actor that this thread isn't even about into the forum. on page 16 of this thread, that photo was posted.

Bale was in Velvet Goldmine. Bale was in Batman Begins. so i posted these scenes from Velvet Goldmine on page 17 of this thread.

So....what film is that Keaton pic from?

Um...Payaso.....go to to helll. Yes. To hell.

ChrisBaleBatman was not comparing Bale and Keaton like you did, you dumbass. He was only replying to posters who had already brought up Keaton MUCH earlier in this thread, saying that he understands the viewpoint of those who still think that Keaton was the best Batman.

For humanity's sake, learn some basic English ya big pile of feces.

Correct.

[El Payaso]

Um...Payaso.....go to to helll. Yes. To hell.

Don't I come here every day? :joker:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

You've got a point there.

[Lobster Charlie]

Did someone actually suggest Eric Bana?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

You've GOT to be kidding. Bruce Wayne with silly dumbo ears walking around?

No. Bale is the best we've had so far, but the IDEAL Bruce Wayne, IMO, would've been Alec Baldwin, back in his "Shadow" days. Back when he was trim, fit, and friggin diesel.

Alec Baldwin has the perfect combination of looks, physique, and that sort of eerie, cold, sinister charm that lets you know he'd kick the living dog crap out of you if you crossed him the wrong way. Alas, we never got that, and for some god foresaken reason, we were given a skinny, balding Bruce Wayne with a stiff crappy outfit. Oh well.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno, Baldwin did seem to be the right guy. It would have been interesting how he would have done it though, for sure.

[Two-Face]

Again: Might as well bee

Prince as Joker

Richard Simmons as Harvey Dent!!

WTF stop you noob it was funny for first time but now you post every thread I post in it's really annoying!!

[ZER0C00L]

Batman Begins Pelúcia
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[Milkman95]

^Joke.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

cool.

[ZER0C00L]

i could nearly tell if that was bale in the suit. He looks just as inflated.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

..........right.........................

[Phaser]

i could nearly tell if that was bale in the suit. He looks just as inflated.

You're either blind, dumb or senile. Take your pick.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hmmm........as an outsider speaking on the subject, isn't there an ALL OF THE ABOVE option....?

[Phaser]

Of course. Sensible members of the board get special privileges.

[Shawn Wayne]

This banter always cheers me up. Hey phaser, what part of the world are you in?

[Two-Face]

i could nearly tell if that was bale in the suit. He looks just as inflated.

WTF it is bale in the suit he suppose to play title character!:mad:

[Phaser]

This banter always cheers me up. Hey phaser, what part of the world are you in?

The one part of the world that isn't funny - Saudi Arabia.

[Shawn Wayne]

The one part of the world that isn't funny - Saudi Arabia.


Military?

[Phaser]

Military?

No, I live here. I'm an emigrant Indian (from South-East Asia, not Native American) born and raised in the heart of the Middle East.

[Shawn Wayne]

No, I live here. I'm an emigrant Indian (from South-East Asia, not Native American) born and raised in the heart of the Middle East.

I would not have guessed native-american, but thanks for yet another laugh!

[Phaser]

I would not have guessed native-american, but thanks for yet another laugh!

...No really, I'm serious. It's the truth. :confused:

[Shawn Wayne]

Don't get me wrong, I do believe you. The funny part was that you assumed I would think american indian. That just struck me as funny

[ZER0C00L]

Phaser i believe it, you were out for blood becuase i had negative opinions about begins. "Psycho". - Adam Sandler Happy Gilmore .

[Batwing6655]

I did NOT like bales batman. bale's Batman is not BAD as clooneys perse, but its not good either. I mean, Batman is suppose to be emotionally scarred and everything, but this potrayal of Batman shows him as a angry man whos just trying to make himself satisfied. bale's Batman is just too angry all the time. He needs to control his anger. And the voice, is just stupid. Its not scary, its just annoying. Also another thing, is how WEAK this batman is. I mean, he gets his ass kicked by the scarecrow and cries for his butler to pick him up. ALFRED HELP MEEEE......... ARGH Blah blah. The 89 Batman was wounded towards the end of the movie and got up and went to battle. I know that Bale's Batman was posined and everything but still, come on, you could atleast get yourself home, you dont need to whine to your butler to help you. Makes me laugh, not "care". Its like a grown adult begging for help when he falls or something to an old man. And furthermore this Batman wants attention, which pisses me off. He makes a bat signal as an attention getter, reveals his secert to Dawes, and shows off the Batmobile. Keaton did none of these. Also, bale's Batman is just inexperienced, and yells out rachel, not knowing what to do, when she is passing out in his batmobile. Its like a little kid screaming MOMMY when she is passing out instead of trying to help save her.
This potrayal of Batman is Angry, Too Psychotic, Too Weak, Too Nice and Confused.

In conclusion, its Keaton who is Batman. 9 years ago, It was Keaton for me, and today its also Keaton. His bruce wayne was good but its his Batman that was GREAT. bale needs to learn from the man, Keaton.

[Super_Ludacris]

...No really, I'm serious. It's the truth. :confused:


I lived in Riyadh for a few years before going back to the states. What School did you go? I went to SAIS-R (American School)

[Phaser]

I lived in Riyadh for a few years before going back to the states. What School did you go? I went to SAIS-R (American School)

Nah, I've been in Jeddah all along. Went to the International Indian School which was the Embassy of India school around a decade ago.

[Nightwing1977]

I did NOT like bales batman. bale's Batman is not BAD as clooneys perse, but its not good either. I mean, Batman is suppose to be emotionally scarred and everything, but this potrayal of Batman shows him as a angry man whos just trying to make himself satisfied.



He is a emotional scared man. You're just a biased Burton's fan who ignore what it show. Keaton's don't show that at all compare to Bale.

bale's Batman is just too angry all the time. He needs to control his anger.



Angry all the time? I don't see that. Which scene is he angry all the time? He isn't when he with Alfred. Are you sure you seen the movie, kid?

And the voice, is just stupid. Its not scary, its just annoying. Also another thing, is how WEAK this batman is. I mean, he gets his ass kicked by the scarecrow and cries for his butler to pick him up. ALFRED HELP MEEEE......... ARGH Blah blah. The 89 Batman was wounded towards the end of the movie and got up and went to battle. I know that Bale's Batman was posined and everything but still, come on, you could atleast get yourself home, you dont need to whine to your butler to help you. Makes me laugh, not "care". Its like a grown adult begging for help when he falls or something to an old man.



His voice at least make him sound different in which Keaton has fail. Keaton only sound like Bruce Wayne with a lisp as Batman. At least Bale don't do that. And you think it pathetic he got his butt kick from being poisined? I bet the same could be for Keaton if he was in BB. Stop thinking Bale's Batman is a wuss when Keaton is more of a wuss. He got his butt kicked easily by a black man in B89. Bale's Batman can beat that guy no problem. Thing is, you hate BB with a passion that you keep running your ignorant mouth about it like B89 is so superior. I expect an annoying Burtonite like you to come up with this.

And furthermore this Batman wants attention, which pisses me off. He makes a bat signal as an attention getter, reveals his secert to Dawes, and shows off the Batmobile. Keaton did none of these.



How the hell does this piss you off? You need a lollipop, crybaby? It funny how you keep saying it piss you off. Boo-hoo-hoo!! And last I check, he didn't make the bat signal as an attention getter. In fact, it just came out somehow 'cause he was tying up Falcone to warn other what to expect if they do what Falcone does. And what the problem with him showing his secret to Rachel? She is one of the person he can trust, since she was his childhood friend, idiot! And show off the Batmobile to her? More like took her a ride to his Batcave to save her. And actually Keaton did reveal his secret, you moron. In fact, he did reveal his secrets & it was more worser than what Bale did. He remove his mask to Catwoman, Max Shreck, & Penguin. That 3 people he didn't know for long!! See how pathetic you are with this? You hate BB that you're going to make pointless excuses.

Also, bale's Batman is just inexperienced, and yells out rachel, not knowing what to do, when she is passing out in his batmobile. Its like a little kid screaming MOMMY when she is passing out instead of trying to help save her.



He is inexperienced, 'cause it his first time as the Bat, genius!! :rolleyes: And of course he yell out her name. She was his friend, that he didn't wnat to lose her. And actually he did know what to do. The antiode for her was in his cave. Why else he drop her there, hmm? Again, you have a very short attention span.

This potrayal of Batman is Angry, Too Psychotic, Too Weak, Too Nice and Confused.



Hasn't Batman always been somewhat angry? That is how he's a vigilante. And actually Keaton's Batman was too psychotic with all his killing & he too weak by not taking out the fat tattooed circus man, fighting thugs in the streets one at a time than just taking 'em all out at once like Bale did, has his ass kick by a woman few times. And since when was Batman nice? I don't see that often in BB. I think Keaton's Bat was too nice & confused with how few time of him facing Catwoman.

In conclusion, its Keaton who is Batman. 9 years ago, It was Keaton for me, and today its also Keaton. His bruce wayne was good but its his Batman that was GREAT. bale needs to learn from the man, Keaton.



Keaton is Batman to you is your opinion. Bale don't need to learn from Keaton. He is better & don't need to learn from anyone. Keaton should learn instead, because of how he didn't much like Bale did. Boy, you never shut up about your beef with BB. You never even bother much with other Batman thread. Which mean you're a fan of only Burton's Batman & don't like the comics, cartoons, etc. :p

[JWM]

I think Bale was an excellent Bruce Wayne. I think there were moments as Batman where he was the best we've seen in a live action movie yet (the Flass scene stands out the most), but things like the voice weren't always consistent. Honestly, I expected much more from Bale as Batman, but I pretty much blame Nolan and Goyer for that the most. I just kinda think BB wasn't "intimate" enough with Batman like we see him in the comics... I thought BB was going to be more like the first Blade where we follow Batman around in the first person with a smaller scale, leaner kind of treatment. Maybe the next one will be like that...

[JWM]

As for the Alec Baldwin thing, I've also always wondered why Burton didn't cast him in '89. Don't know if it's been mentioned here yet, but he might be a great Dark Knight Returns Batman in about 15 years if they ever do a movie like that.

[Bat Attack]

I did NOT like bales batman. bale's Batman is not BAD as clooneys perse, but its not good either. I mean, Batman is suppose to be emotionally scarred and everything, but this potrayal of Batman shows him as a angry man whos just trying to make himself satisfied. bale's Batman is just too angry all the time. He needs to control his anger. And the voice, is just stupid. Its not scary, its just annoying. Also another thing, is how WEAK this batman is. I mean, he gets his ass kicked by the scarecrow and cries for his butler to pick him up. ALFRED HELP MEEEE......... ARGH Blah blah. The 89 Batman was wounded towards the end of the movie and got up and went to battle. I know that Bale's Batman was posined and everything but still, come on, you could atleast get yourself home, you dont need to whine to your butler to help you. Makes me laugh, not "care". Its like a grown adult begging for help when he falls or something to an old man. And furthermore this Batman wants attention, which pisses me off. He makes a bat signal as an attention getter, reveals his secert to Dawes, and shows off the Batmobile. Keaton did none of these. Also, bale's Batman is just inexperienced, and yells out rachel, not knowing what to do, when she is passing out in his batmobile. Its like a little kid screaming MOMMY when she is passing out instead of trying to help save her.
This potrayal of Batman is Angry, Too Psychotic, Too Weak, Too Nice and Confused.

In conclusion, its Keaton who is Batman. 9 years ago, It was Keaton for me, and today its also Keaton. His bruce wayne was good but its his Batman that was GREAT. bale needs to learn from the man, Keaton.

To quote Two-Face from "Batman Forever":
"Why can't you just die!?"

[Batwing6655]

To quote Two-Face from "Batman Forever":
"Why can't you just die!?"

why take a quote from a horrible movie?:o

and i take bale being too phycotic back. keaton was more phycotic, and guess what......i liked it. hee hee. him bein a killa was cool. thats batman right there. awsome. bales was pu***whipped by scarecrow and then whines to his butler. wuss.

[Bat Attack]

why take a quote from a horrible movie?:o

Why not?

[Batwing6655]

Batman Begins Pelúcia
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ITS TEH PUFFY!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH:) :joker: :D

[LostSon88]

EDIT: Forget it.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well......Bale's portrayal is right on the hammer to how he is in the comics.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

i have to agree with this. bales batman...well....sucked. his voice and all, just......his batman needs work.

i also like keatons explanation of why hes batman better. bale had to spew such corny lines like "i seek the means to fight injustice" or "gotham isnt beyond saveing" while keaton, when asked by vicki vale why he does this, says "because nobody else can. its not a perfect world", and i absolutly LOVE when he says "but hes out there right now, and ive gotta gop to work", like so BATMAN RIGHT THERE!! hes gotta go to work damnit!

and who can forget that imfamous line, "YOU WANNA GET NUTS! CMON, lets get nuts!!!"

ok, the last one was for laughs, but keatons lines (and expressions) were just far supeior to bales.That line sucked and those movies are overated. Batman Begins is a far better movie than Batman. Tim Burton dropped the ball.

[raybia]

The one part of the world that isn't funny - Saudi Arabia.

Looking for Comedy in the Muslim World! :D

[raybia]

No, I live here. I'm an emigrant Indian (from South-East Asia, not Native American) born and raised in the heart of the Middle East.


Phaser, I don't think I knew you were Indian. My wife was born in Peshawar.

Did your parents live in India?

[Phaser]

Phaser, I don't think I knew you were Indian. My wife was born in Peshawar.

Did your parents live in India?

Yeah, both of them were born and brought up in Hyderabad. My dad migrated to Saudi Arabia when he was around 20, which was more than 30 years ago. He briefly came back to India for marriage after which my mother migrated with him as well.

[Nightwing1977]

Yeah, both of them were born and brought up in Hyderabad. My dad migrated to Saudi Arabia when he was around 20, which was more than 30 years ago. He briefly came back to India for marriage after which my mother migrated with him as well.

Very cool to have a fan from this kind of area to like Batman as much as we do here in the US. Show Batman a world icon beside just being iconic in the US. Rock on, Phaser! :)

[JWM]

That line sucked and those movies are overated. Batman Begins is a far better movie than Batman. Tim Burton dropped the ball.
I like how so many Bat-fans slam Burton's films, yet BB very apparently has many things about it that are directly inspired by them (mostly the '89 film)... I mean, the design of the new suit is still a descendent of Burton's (right down to using the same guy who makes the suits), the line "I'm Batman," the score has some obvious similarities to Elfman's, Bale's Batman is still obviously derived from Keaton's (many people I have watched BB with have said that as if it's a good thing), the trip back to the Batcave with Katie Holmes reminds of the Vicki Vale scene, etc.

I'd say the biggest shortcoming of BB -- despite the fact that much of it is VERY good -- is that it doesn't seperate itself ENOUGH from Burton's films.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

So many bat-fans SLAM Burton? Now that's total Bull****, MOST Bat-fans don't slam Burton.

It's VERY different from the Burton films.......I mean, the ONLY reason it may APPEAR to be the same is because they both understood one major aspect of the Batman- HE'S A DARK MOTHER******. Other than that, Burton's film and Nolan's couldn't be anymore different than any other pair of great Batman films.

[raybia]

I like how so many Bat-fans slam Burton's films, yet BB very apparently has many things about it that are directly inspired by them (mostly the '89 film)... I mean, the design of the new suit is still a descendent of Burton's (right down to using the same guy who makes the suits), the line "I'm Batman," the score has some obvious similarities to Elfman's, Bale's Batman is still obviously derived from Keaton's (many people I have watched BB with have said that as if it's a good thing), the trip back to the Batcave with Katie Holmes reminds of the Vicki Vale scene, etc.

I'd say the biggest shortcoming of BB -- despite the fact that much of it is VERY good -- is that it doesn't seperate itself ENOUGH from Burton's films.

Welcome to the Hype.

I don't allow myself to fall into that trap of comparing movies even though I guess its only natural. If I did it would be difficult to actually enjoy any of the movies because I'm too busy look for its faults and doing a comparsion/contrast with the other films.

I can enjoy Batman 66, Batman'89 and BB equally.

Sure you can see some comparisons with BB and B'89: They both come from the same source material. But I truly don't believe Nolan and Goyer looked at Burton's film for inspiration and story ideas/elements for their film. However if in the course of developing their story there happens to some similairies in plot points then so be it. Its not a crime and both Burton's and Nolan's films were good movies. I just hope that in 20 years, we'll be comparing the next restart with Nolan's movie and debating which is better.

Because as Batfans, we all win.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yup.

Honestly, the ONLY film I cannot watch and enjoy is the BATMAN AND ROBIN film, all the others......yeah, I can really enjoy them all.

[raybia]

Yup.

Honestly, the ONLY film I cannot watch and enjoy is the BATMAN AND ROBIN film, all the others......yeah, I can really enjoy them all.


Yeah. That movie makes Batman '66 seem like Citizen Kane!

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah.

But, even on plot alone.....Batman and Robin makes no sense. Why did Ivy's plants turn on her all of a sudden? Why did Alfred leave plans laid for his niece to become Batgirl? Why does she know karate.......?

So many questions.......so many mistakes.....makes me sick.

[Nightwing1977]

I like how so many Bat-fans slam Burton's films, yet BB very apparently has many things about it that are directly inspired by them (mostly the '89 film)... I mean, the design of the new suit is still a descendent of Burton's (right down to using the same guy who makes the suits), the line "I'm Batman," the score has some obvious similarities to Elfman's, Bale's Batman is still obviously derived from Keaton's (many people I have watched BB with have said that as if it's a good thing), the trip back to the Batcave with Katie Holmes reminds of the Vicki Vale scene, etc.

I'd say the biggest shortcoming of BB -- despite the fact that much of it is VERY good -- is that it doesn't seperate itself ENOUGH from Burton's films.

That is bs. While Burton did ok with the films & they can be fun, but they're not a true Batman like from the comics. BB was using more ideas from the comics than just use too much of their own way like Burton did, which didn't work. And BB did seperate itself from Burton's films. Sure they add "I'm Batman" in BB, but the rest are quite different Burton's films.

[TheGrayGhost]

Bale>Keaton.

Nuff said.

[El Payaso]

That is bs. While Burton did ok with the films & they can be fun, but they're not a true Batman like from the comics. BB was using more ideas from the comics than just use too much of their own way like Burton did, which didn't work. And BB did seperate itself from Burton's films. Sure they add "I'm Batman" in BB, but the rest are quite different Burton's films.

The suit was the same with variations. Burton looked for Gotham City atmosphere in Blade Runner's design, Nolan went right there for inspiration too (and don't tell me both Gothams were different because that doesn't deny the fact they both started for the same point).

Bale>Keaton.

Nuff said.

Keaton>you

[ChrisBaleBatman]

But don't many filmmakers look toward BLADE RUNNER for inspiration? I mean, creators use inspiration as well......and BLADE RUNNER was just such a well desgined film, probably ahead of it's time, so it makes sense that filmmakers look toward good films to start from.

Btw.....Both Nolan and Burton did understand the character.......doesn't it make sense that they both end up touching on the same ideas of the character?

lol.....that's a funny comeback Payaso. Bale>Keaton........but Keaton>you.....Keaton owns us all.........we're not worthy.....we're not worthy.

[JWM]

My final thought with the whole B89 vs. BB thing is that they both have strengths and weaknesses. Overall, BB understands the character of Bruce Wayne far more, but I think that B89 actually does a better job of capturing the essence and style of "Batman." Ultimately, they are hands down the best live action Bat-films. And Keaton and Bale are the best Batmans.

I do however think that if the BB sequel can deliver on that concept of what a Nolan/Bale Bat-film truly has the potential to be, it will be the BEST Bat-film period. When it was first announced that Nolan would direct and Bale would star, images of a certain Bat-film raced through my mind: a lean, mean noir-ish kind of Batman film that would walk a fine line between being PG-13 and R. For me, BB just didn't deliver on the kind of neat idea for a Batman movie that the pairing of the director of Memento and star of American Psycho instilled in my mind.

But I'm crossing my fingers for the sequel...

[Nightwing1977]

Keaton>you

Bah! He would owned me with comedy. But about fighting, I don't know. I'm more skilled in Hapkido. I don't think he trained in something like that for long. :yellow:

[El Payaso]

Day by day we have to suffer the fact that we know for sure you'd own everyone as Batman in this planet but Hollywood refuses to see it. Please, don't put the finger on the wound anymore man.

[JWM]

Bah! He would owned me with comedy. But about fighting, I don't know. I'm more skilled in Hapkido. I don't think he trained in something like that for long. :yellow:
But now you have to train in Keysi to play Batman!

[Nightwing1977]

But now you have to train in Keysi to play Batman!

He he! That's true. Thought it Bale's Batman. I don't know what Keaton learned thought. ;)

[ShadowBoxing]

But now you have to train in Keysi to play Batman!I'm not sure about Bale's personal life...but you have to understand they don't learn to fight. They learn choeragraphy. Actually I have even heard they film those scenes in slow motion and then speed them up quiet freaquently. Most people could take a celebrity assuming they were in good shape and had some actual fighting experience. In boxing and martial arts (that aren't Americanized) you don't get wires, and you do not "fake" punch the person...or have a stunt double for that matter

[Anita18]

Actually I have even heard they film those scenes in slow motion and then speed them up quiet freaquently.
No duh. I saw Tomb Raider 2 and Angelina looked pretty badass in a lot of those fight scenes...then I made the mistake of watching the bonus features. She was simply waving sticks around, and rather slowly at that. Anyone could have gone in and poked her in the stomach the entire time she was doing it.

I was pretty impressed watching Buster Reeves do some of the rehearsal fight choreo in BB. He was INTENSE. Bale less so, but he wasn't bad. (His fight with Liam in the train looked kind of dumb being filmed, but neither of the guys are professional fighters.) Bale and Watanabe looked pretty good as well, relatively speaking. Again, it's a matter of training.

[ShadowBoxing]

No duh. I saw Tomb Raider 2 and Angelina looked pretty badass in a lot of those fight scenes...then I made the mistake of watching the bonus features. She was simply waving sticks around, and rather slowly at that. Anyone could have gone in and poked her in the stomach the entire time she was doing it.

I was pretty impressed watching Buster Reeves do some of the rehearsal fight choreo in BB. He was INTENSE. Bale less so, but he wasn't bad. (His fight with Liam in the train looked kind of dumb being filmed, but neither of the guys are professional fighters.) Bale and Watanabe looked pretty good as well, relatively speaking. Again, it's a matter of training.I'm sorry but in 6 weeks on their schedules of promotion and other training they got to do there is just no way they can learn to actually fight

[Shawn Wayne]

No duh. I saw Tomb Raider 2 and Angelina looked pretty badass in a lot of those fight scenes...then I made the mistake of watching the bonus features. She was simply waving sticks around, and rather slowly at that. Anyone could have gone in and poked her in the stomach the entire time she was doing it.

I was pretty impressed watching Buster Reeves do some of the rehearsal fight choreo in BB. He was INTENSE. Bale less so, but he wasn't bad. (His fight with Liam in the train looked kind of dumb being filmed, but neither of the guys are professional fighters.) Bale and Watanabe looked pretty good as well, relatively speaking. Again, it's a matter of training.

I'd rather not know, I like being ignorant when it comes to movie magic

[Bat Attack]

Who wants to bet on how long it will be until Batwing6655 returns under a new name?

[Two-Face]

I'm betting he will return to bash BB cast & crew.

[HalloweenRes]

WHAT?? Has Batwing been BANNED?? No, I'm being serious. Did he get banned?? As for Bale, I think he was great as Batman. I don't see why people have a problem with Bale. His voice was great. I think he should have changed it. I mean, think about it. It would be pretty stupid NOT to disguise your voice. That is the one thing that ticks me off about Batman. (probably the only thing). The fact that in the other Batman's, Bruce uses his OWN voice. You would think people would get wise to that. You can see that in the 1966 tv series especially. LOL.. Ok, now I'm asking for it. LOL.. I've brought up the ADAM WEST years!! But seriously, if he doesn't disguise his voice, someone could recognize his voice. Just my two cents.

[Mr. Socko]

Amazing how the Obi Wan/Vader battle was forwarded up tho, because most of them are.

[Nightwing1977]

WHAT?? Has Batwing been BANNED?? No, I'm being serious. Did he get banned??



Yep. He got banned like 2/3 days ago. I'm not surprise, seeing as he continue to troll & bash BB whenever he can, despite being warned to drop it. Sadly, like a troll he is, he didn't listen & got banned for that.


As for Bale, I think he was great as Batman. I don't see why people have a problem with Bale. His voice was great. I think he should have changed it. I mean, think about it. It would be pretty stupid NOT to disguise your voice. That is the one thing that ticks me off about Batman. (probably the only thing). The fact that in the other Batman's, Bruce uses his OWN voice. You would think people would get wise to that. You can see that in the 1966 tv series especially. LOL.. Ok, now I'm asking for it. LOL.. I've brought up the ADAM WEST years!! But seriously, if he doesn't disguise his voice, someone could recognize his voice. Just my two cents.

Probably because some don't read Batman comics (like Batwing6655 aka BatmanRules33 & ZER0COOL for example) or maybe some are just too familiar with Keaton for so long. And also, we never heard how Batman sound like when Bale was in the costume. Maybe they wanted him to sound like Kevin Conroy's Batman. I'm ok with Bale's voice, 'cause this is his Batman & he should bring his own voice rather than copy others. It make new & original. :)

[Bat Attack]

I thought he only got a temporary ban?

[Bathead]

Yup, Batwing6655 is on probationary ban. However, I doubt very much (unless he changes his attitude) he will last too long after the probation is over. Notice how peaceful it's been around here since he's been gone? I suspect when he does come back, he'll go back to disrupting the boards, then the ban will likely become permanent.

[Nightwing1977]

I thought he only got a temporary ban?

He did. It already been a week since he was temporary ban. Some temporary ban can be a week or 2 depend on how bad their behavior was. And I think he might post again with a new name. The first time he was temporary ban was as BatmanRules33. When his ban was over, he came back with a new name, Batwing6655 as we know now. He might come back with BurtonmanRock or Batdude94. :p

[HalloweenRes]

Awe man, that's too bad...:O Ok, that's not nice of me. But seriously, he was getting a little over-zelous there for a while. Oh well.. Batman Begins was awsome and so was Batman 89. They can both co-exist nicely on these boards.

[Bat Attack]

When his ban was over, he came back with a new name, Batwing6655 as we know now. He might come back with BurtonmanRock or Batdude94. :p

Haha! :up:

[Shawn Wayne]

He did. It already been a week since he was temporary ban. Some temporary ban can be a week or 2 depend on how bad their behavior was. And I think he might post again with a new name. The first time he was temporary ban was as BatmanRules33. When his ban was over, he came back with a new name, Batwing6655 as we know now. He might come back with BurtonmanRock or Batdude94. :p


Been away.what did he do?

[Bat Attack]

Been away.what did he do?
Batwing got carried away with bashing begins like a week ago so that got him a probitionary ban for a few days, but he hasn't posted since it was lifted (although he did visit on the 6th probably to view the forums and see what we were saying about him?) But now as we all know, he is probably going to come back under some new pathetic name because he is an:
http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/fullmoon.gif A$$hole.

[Doomed_hero]

He was a great Bruce Wayne, his Batman needed work. I get not using the Bruce Wayne Voice, but it didnt seem that scary of a voice when he talked and in some shots he didnt look comfrontable in the suit. Keaton is still the best in suit Batman imo.

[Bat Attack]

And "Brownish33" from the IMDB.com forums is obviously "Batmanrules33" aka "Batwing6655". Here's his IMDB profile, looks at what he posts on those boards and you'll see the connection.

>>> http://imdb.com/user/ur5020744/boards/

[CConn]

I think someone should officially invite venomgirl (http://imdb.com/user/ur3681809/boards/profile/) over to our dear Batboards.

[Nightwing1977]

I think someone should officially invite venomgirl (http://imdb.com/user/ur3681809/boards/profile/) over to our dear Batboards.

He he! I wonder how that would turn out. I seen some of her crazy posts.

And Harleen, thanks for pointing out Batwing6655's name on the IMDB forum. Brownish33? Guess that prove he's not a true Batman's fans. I mean, he didn't get to use another name on IMDB forum that has "Bat" in it. Brownish sound like he's a brown noser for only liking Burton's Batman & hating everything else. :p :joker:

[Bat Attack]

Here are some of his posts from the IMDB boards,
thats cuz alot of scenes were ripped off from B89. why? i dont know.....no originality....thats why. batman returns is my favorite batman film ever, and B89 comes second, almost a tie. BB........i just dont care for that version of batman. too boring with shallow performances and weak storyline. very over-rated. ill take B89 anyday. and holmes in BB reminded me of vicky vale as well. just cuz theres a "friendship" between them doesnt make holmes character any more or less important then vicky vales. in fact, vicky vales character was meant to be the "reality check" for batman, during the film the auidence is looking threw the batman's world threw her eyes. that was her purpose. holmes purpose was to.........be annoying and in the way? impretty sure that was HER purpose, much like nicole kidman but not sexy.

This one makes me laugh,
exactly stephen-donnelly11. there are SOO many things that just SCREAMED batman in B89 (and BR) that ppl, actually i shouldnt say "ppl", i should say comicbook fanboys, seem to skim over. B89 in a way is very much more faithful to the comic books then begins, especially with bruce wayne. the fact that they gave less info about bruces background actually helps the movie tremendously. and i also agree that you have to add a bit of silliness to Batman cuz a guy running around in a suit is actually quite lame (yo most ppl at least). thats why i hated begins, it took the material a little TOO seriously for the kind of story it is. B89 had true emotion.

for example, the wayne death scene,something i hold very high in batman lore. when bruces parents died, the begins one just sucked cuz you felt as if you were REALLY SUPPOSED to buy into this and feel SOOO heartwrenched and sad! B89 death scene wasnt so over-the-top yet something about keaton reminising about his parents death in that alley, yes, and ALLEY, not outside an opera house, struck me personlly. you could also HEAR and SEE the pearls falling and the scream of martha wayne echoing out into the night and then a cold, still, chilling silence while the thug threatens the kid in a genuinly creepy voice and sadictic look on his face, instead of the crumbly dopey stupid "joe chill" ass who was just like "oops?" and runs away. and a happy family dieing instead of a already catious, pre-tense family is much more threatening and emotional. just my opinion, but i really cant see how anybody could like begins wayne death scene better. it was so cliche'd and cheesy, the way it was done.

dont get me started on begins other flaws....i really didnt like it...

and anytime i see someone use the word "poignant" in conjunction with begins, i have to laugh. the movie was souless, and, like someone else here stated, if it has a soul, its a very bland one. so true.

anybody who says B89 sucks has no respect for the character.

[Nightwing1977]

Man, he is still an a-hole. He still continue that stupid "Anyone who doesn't like B89 is not a Batman fan". What even sadder is he continue to say that it piss him off that people keep saying BB is a superior & he wish they shut up, but he also said they should die. How stupid & low can he get with saying they should die? :rolleyes: He even reply that someone should close the thread someone made about liking BB or something. He should ignore & not post it instead of telling someone to close it. This kid has a real mental problem.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

thats cuz alot of scenes were ripped off from B89. why? i dont know.....no originality....thats why. batman returns is my favorite batman film ever, and B89 comes second, almost a tie. BB........i just dont care for that version of batman. too boring with shallow performances and weak storyline. very over-rated. ill take B89 anyday. and holmes in BB reminded me of vicky vale as well. just cuz theres a "friendship" between them doesnt make holmes character any more or less important then vicky vales. in fact, vicky vales character was meant to be the "reality check" for batman, during the film the auidence is looking threw the batman's world threw her eyes. that was her purpose. holmes purpose was to.........be annoying and in the way? impretty sure that was HER purpose, much like nicole kidman but not sexy.

Wow.....I may have actually gotten dumber after reading this......


exactly stephen-donnelly11. there are SOO many things that just SCREAMED batman in B89 (and BR) that ppl, actually i shouldnt say "ppl", i should say comicbook fanboys, seem to skim over. B89 in a way is very much more faithful to the comic books then begins, especially with bruce wayne. the fact that they gave less info about bruces background actually helps the movie tremendously. and i also agree that you have to add a bit of silliness to Batman cuz a guy running around in a suit is actually quite lame (yo most ppl at least). thats why i hated begins, it took the material a little TOO seriously for the kind of story it is. B89 had true emotion.

for example, the wayne death scene,something i hold very high in batman lore. when bruces parents died, the begins one just sucked cuz you felt as if you were REALLY SUPPOSED to buy into this and feel SOOO heartwrenched and sad! B89 death scene wasnt so over-the-top yet something about keaton reminising about his parents death in that alley, yes, and ALLEY, not outside an opera house, struck me personlly. you could also HEAR and SEE the pearls falling and the scream of martha wayne echoing out into the night and then a cold, still, chilling silence while the thug threatens the kid in a genuinly creepy voice and sadictic look on his face, instead of the crumbly dopey stupid "joe chill" ass who was just like "oops?" and runs away. and a happy family dieing instead of a already catious, pre-tense family is much more threatening and emotional. just my opinion, but i really cant see how anybody could like begins wayne death scene better. it was so cliche'd and cheesy, the way it was done.

dont get me started on begins other flaws....i really didnt like it...

and anytime i see someone use the word "poignant" in conjunction with begins, i have to laugh. the movie was souless, and, like someone else here stated, if it has a soul, its a very bland one. so true.

anybody who says B89 sucks has no respect for the character.


I spoke too soon.

Honestly, the B89 Wayne death scene was over-the-top for me. Apparently, this idiot NEEDS slow motion and focus to feel emotion from the scene. This moron is essentially the reason Hollywood films suck ass every year, with few films like BATMAN BEGINS managing to escape and make it over the crap.........idiots like this NEED to be told, specifically, where and when to feel emotion in a movie because he's too stupid to figure it out on his own.

I'd hardly call the BB death scene cheesy........there was nothing cheesy about it. This guy is just a moron who honestly gives the fans of those Burton film a bad name.

Man......it's good to be back. Happy to see everything is still kicking since I've been gone.

[Bat Attack]

He's just mad because he can't face the fact that Tim Burton will never make a Batman film again.

[Mr. Socko]

The more I think about it, I begin to notice that it seems like Chris Bale is trying to copy a Kevin Conroy type voice and change it from the Bruce Wayne voice just like Kevin Conroy did in TAS. But Chris Bale went a little further then Kevin Conroy, Bale takes the voice to the extreme, making it very fearful.

[Shawn Wayne]

The more I think about it, I begin to notice that it seems like Chris Bale is trying to copy a Kevin Conroy type voice and change it from the Bruce Wayne voice just like Kevin Conroy did in TAS. But Chris Bale went a little further then Kevin Conroy, Bale takes the voice to the extreme, making it very fearful.


I agree, and unlike a lot of people I liked what he did. He sounds like he would hurt you! The only part I didn't like was the now infamous " It's now what I dooooo" line. I winced

[Bat Attack]

Meh, I like Kevin Conroy's Batman voice better.

[The Chairman]

Conroy's voice is still the best.

Bale needs to work on it a little. The "It's not what I am but what I do..." line is just plane grating.

[Bat Attack]

Conroy's voice is still the best.

Bale needs to work on it a little. The "It's not what I am but what I do..." line is just plane grating.
Yep.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

But.....Conroy gets to sit in a studio, drink water, and prep his voice. He gets to focus on his voice and only his voice.

Bale, on the other hand, gets to do the physical stuff.......which does count, and is more than one thing to focus on.

I played the game, and I thought Bale's voice sounded great in there. Btw, though...Bale was aiming for a more animalistic voice. Conroy's voices sound like 2 different people (which is great, and damn impressive)....but both men are shooting for different things.

[Shawn Wayne]

But.....Conroy gets to sit in a studio, drink water, and prep his voice. He gets to focus on his voice and only his voice.

Bale, on the other hand, gets to do the physical stuff.......which does count, and is more than one thing to focus on.

I played the game, and I thought Bale's voice sounded great in there. Btw, though...Bale was aiming for a more animalistic voice. Conroy's voices sound like 2 different people (which is great, and damn impressive)....but both men are shooting for different things.

You are correct, sir!

[Batwing6655]

my review:

but forget the ninjas and the exploding subways, could someone please just save ickle Batman from the big, bad bats? christian bale is too cutesy to be gobbled up by all those horrid flying rodents! actually, bale is too cutesy to be playing Batman at all, even a young one at that. sure, Keaton, and kilmer were also quite man-pretty during their turns as batman, but at least when they put on the black mask, they became somewhat more frightening than your garden-variety trick-or-treaters. bale, however, with his toddler pout and his adorable green eyes, makes the audience want to scream "Awww!" rather than "Ahhh!" perhaps out of that motherliness inspired by bale's cutesiness, he does all this weird stuff.

eventually, Bruce gets mixed up with a group of hallucinogen-inhaling nuts who, after raiding the "Last Samurai" and "Lord of the Rings" wardrobes and looting the "Star Wars" script (Bale definitely wore an Anakin getup), are off to work on their next mission: destroying gotham through fear. stupid concept.

for some reason nolan came up with the horrid "invention" Rachel Dawes, played woodenly by Katie Holmes (never mind Batman, beware the wrath of Tom Cruise!) and butler Alfred. caine, along with most of the other mature members of the cast, delivered an unsatisfying performance, limited by trite dialogue and a weak plot. though he was purely magical in "cider house rules," this time he lacked the old alfred's subtlety and twinkling eyes, making the butler's cynicism protrude like a bucked tooth.

that is nothing compared to what the film did to Liam Neeson. it was painful to watch one of the masters of the craft deliver "Star Wars" clichés like "You were my greatest student" and "You should have been fighting by my side." Seriously, throw him a light-saber and get him out of his matrix-tailored suits and obi-Wan has got himself another clone.

with all the high-techno gadgets, weapons and frequent explosions, the movie is pretty effective as a "How to be a Superhero for Dummies" instruction video (remember, when you need to make a superhero cowl, order the bat ears and the basic masks separately from different Asian countries in quantities of 10,000 to avoid suspicion). Especially in the scenes flooded with bats and the sequence with the ninjas' ever-changing maze, the film is visually pleasing. Then again, so is "Spiderman," so is "Daredevil," so are lots of movies. "Batman Begins" meets all the criteria of a standard modern action flick, meaning that it is not a shabby way to pass a few hours of time, but if you are looking for substance and depth, look elsewhere. To this day, i cant think fo a better way to spend my time, and that is watching the original first 2 Batman films, they are way better then this bland soul-less turd.


my good friends review:



Batman Begins....To suck.

But then you probably knew that already. it's lame. Christian Bale is languid; his only use is to remind the viewer of the rampaging American Psycho who exists behind the facade of the good CEO. Liam Neeson, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman and Michael Caine provide glimmers of life, but only Tom Wilkinson among the serious actors retains his dignity by staging a revolt against the movie: his performance as a cigar-chomping mob boss is wonderfully ludicrous. Recent Scientology convert Katie Holmes gives what ought to be a career-killing performance. I might have hoped that Batman Begins would be the beginning of the end, but, alas, I've read that they're probably going ahead with a sequel.


*love her writing* :)


this movie just sucked in so many ways, its so obvious.

[Bat Attack]

*Raspy loud voice* "I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT BEARS AND RABBITS!"

[Bat Attack]

forget the ninjas and the exploding subways, could someone please just save ickle Batman from the big, bad bats? christian bale is too cutesy to be gobbled up by all those horrid flying rodents! actually, bale is too cutesy to be playing Batman at all, even a young one at that. sure, Keaton, clooney and kilmer were also quite man-pretty during their turns as batman, but at least when they put on the black mask, they became somewhat more frightening than your garden-variety trick-or-treaters. bale, however, with his toddler pout and his adorable green eyes, makes the audience want to scream "Awww!" rather than "Ahhh!" perhaps out of that motherliness inspired by bale's cutesiness, he does all this weird stuff.

eventually, Bruce gets mixed up with a group of hallucinogen-inhaling nuts who, after raiding the "Last Samurai" and "Lord of the Rings" wardrobes and looting the "Star Wars" script (Bale definitely wore an Anakin getup), are off to work on their next mission: destroying gotham through fear. stupid concept.

to complicate Bruce's internal struggles, the ninja cult endanger Bruce's childhood friend Rachel Dawes, played woodenly by Katie Holmes (never mind Batman, beware the wrath of Tom Cruise!) and butler Alfred. caine, along with most of the other mature members of the cast, delivered an unsatisfying performance, limited by trite dialogue and a weak plot. though he was purely magical in "cider house rules," this time he lacked the old alfred's subtlety and twinkling eyes, making the butler's cynicism protrude like a bucked tooth.

that is nothing compared to what the film did to Liam Neeson. it was painful to watch one of the masters of the craft deliver "Star Wars" clichés like "You were my greatest student" and "You should have been fighting by my side." Seriously, throw him a light-saber and get him out of his matrix-tailored suits and obi-Wan has got himself another clone.

with all the high-techno gadgets, weapons and frequent explosions, the movie is pretty effective as a "How to be a Superhero for Dummies" instruction video (remember, when you need to make a superhero cowl, order the bat ears and the basic masks separately from different Asian countries in quantities of 10,000 to avoid suspicion). Especially in the scenes flooded with bats and the sequence with the ninjas' ever-changing maze, the film is visually pleasing. Then again, so is "Spiderman," so is "Daredevil," so are lots of movies. "Batman Begins" meets all the criteria of a standard modern action flick, meaning that it is not a shabby way to pass a few hours of time, but if you are looking for substance and depth, look elsewhere. To this day, i cant think fo a better way to spend my time, and that is watching the original first 2 Batman films, they are way better then this bland soul-less turd.
It was only a matter of time.

[Batwing6655]

It was only a matter of time.


yep. hee hee.:p

[Batwing6655]

i dont get the success of this movie, it hardly had any. the movie was getting quite some praise from critics and comic book fans for being "serious".......what they DON'T seem to see, though, is that this is a good way for an action/superhero movie to SHOOT ITSELF IN THE FOOT; for in Britain at least, batman begins, although it didnt do too unrespectably, was being greatly out-box-officed by "Madagascar" - which various reviewers on another site have said, sucks!! that surprised me to hear,but not quite obviously, hee hee. i believe batman had its time back in 89', now its just repeat after repeat of the same old sh**. when will it end?

[Two-Face]

my review:

but forget the ninjas and the exploding subways, could someone please just save ickle Batman from the big, bad bats? christian bale is too cutesy to be gobbled up by all those horrid flying rodents! actually, bale is too cutesy to be playing Batman at all, even a young one at that. sure, Keaton, and kilmer were also quite man-pretty during their turns as batman, but at least when they put on the black mask, they became somewhat more frightening than your garden-variety trick-or-treaters. bale, however, with his toddler pout and his adorable green eyes, makes the audience want to scream "Awww!" rather than "Ahhh!" perhaps out of that motherliness inspired by bale's cutesiness, he does all this weird stuff.

eventually, Bruce gets mixed up with a group of hallucinogen-inhaling nuts who, after raiding the "Last Samurai" and "Lord of the Rings" wardrobes and looting the "Star Wars" script (Bale definitely wore an Anakin getup), are off to work on their next mission: destroying gotham through fear. stupid concept.

for some reason nolan came up with the horrid "invention" Rachel Dawes, played woodenly by Katie Holmes (never mind Batman, beware the wrath of Tom Cruise!) and butler Alfred. caine, along with most of the other mature members of the cast, delivered an unsatisfying performance, limited by trite dialogue and a weak plot. though he was purely magical in "cider house rules," this time he lacked the old alfred's subtlety and twinkling eyes, making the butler's cynicism protrude like a bucked tooth.

that is nothing compared to what the film did to Liam Neeson. it was painful to watch one of the masters of the craft deliver "Star Wars" clichés like "You were my greatest student" and "You should have been fighting by my side." Seriously, throw him a light-saber and get him out of his matrix-tailored suits and obi-Wan has got himself another clone.

with all the high-techno gadgets, weapons and frequent explosions, the movie is pretty effective as a "How to be a Superhero for Dummies" instruction video (remember, when you need to make a superhero cowl, order the bat ears and the basic masks separately from different Asian countries in quantities of 10,000 to avoid suspicion). Especially in the scenes flooded with bats and the sequence with the ninjas' ever-changing maze, the film is visually pleasing. Then again, so is "Spiderman," so is "Daredevil," so are lots of movies. "Batman Begins" meets all the criteria of a standard modern action flick, meaning that it is not a shabby way to pass a few hours of time, but if you are looking for substance and depth, look elsewhere. To this day, i cant think fo a better way to spend my time, and that is watching the original first 2 Batman films, they are way better then this bland soul-less turd.


my good friends review:



Batman Begins....To suck.

But then you probably knew that already. it's lame. Christian Bale is languid; his only use is to remind the viewer of the rampaging American Psycho who exists behind the facade of the good CEO. Liam Neeson, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman and Michael Caine provide glimmers of life, but only Tom Wilkinson among the serious actors retains his dignity by staging a revolt against the movie: his performance as a cigar-chomping mob boss is wonderfully ludicrous. Recent Scientology convert Katie Holmes gives what ought to be a career-killing performance. I might have hoped that Batman Begins would be the beginning of the end, but, alas, I've read that they're probably going ahead with a sequel.


*love her writing* :)


this movie just sucked in so many ways, its so obvious.Well if you didn't wanna know about Batman's origin then go watch Burton Bat movies like you always do many fans wanted Batman orgin. You wouldn't know great acting if came and bite you on the ass (if Jack Nicholson or Micheal Keaton in BB you would be praise them not that they aren't great actors) but you don't wanna like BB cos you are Burton fan more than anything else, oh one more thing your review is a bashing more a review.

Too much headache sigh.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

i dont get the success of this movie, it hardly had any. the movie was getting quite some praise from critics and comic book fans for being "serious".......what they DON'T seem to see, though, is that this is a good way for an action/superhero movie to SHOOT ITSELF IN THE FOOT; for in Britain at least, batman begins, although it didnt do too unrespectably, was being greatly out-box-officed by "Madagascar" - which various reviewers on another site have told me, sucks!! that surprised me to here, but not quite.

Are you stupid? The movie was a box office success. It's making tons on dvd sales.

This is trolling....right?

[Bat Attack]

Are you stupid? The movie was a box office success. It's making tons on dvd sales.

This is trolling....right?

Yep and the more reports he gets the closer he is to being banned.:up:

[Batwing6655]

Are you stupid? The movie was a box office success. It's making tons on dvd sales.

This istrolling....right?

actually no. its fact. you should do some research, do you some good.

i didnt like how nolan made batman. I've only read a handful of his comics, but Frank Miller's approach, while more fantastic is also a bit more honest about the structure of society: wayne was nothing more than Batman's mask and tool, certainly no social do-gooder like bale was. you want that, you go to superman, not batman.

whats with the "with great power comes great responsibility" line of Batman Begins? because today, no summer comic-book flick is complete without one thematic high concept school-yard lesson repeated ad-infinitum.Says director Christopher Nolan, "In the next Batman movie, it's 'Don't run with scissors,' and after that, 'Look both ways before crossing.'" At this rate, there are enough childhood lessons to keep Batman fresh until recess!

and one part i really hated was the fact that they made batman dumb. i don't mean entirely stupid but they basically gave the technology/science part of his brain to morgan freeman. the whole idea of batman is that he is supposed to be an expert in ALL fields - both mind and body. granted, he comes off knowing things when explaining to gordon but i don't recall the movie ever showing him do detective work. without the brains all you got is a muscular guy in a tight suit. at least keaton cracked the joker's formula. all bale did was paint the batmobile black (i'm not even sure if he did that). BTW, did anyone else think that it was silly for him to drive a Waynetech vehicle that was built by Waynetech engineers in a building owned by Wayne? if i were batman, i would have at least tried to change the exterior appearance so that people wouldn't link it to Bruce Wayne. the movie takes itself way too seriously and thats why these issues come up with the scipt, nothing makes sense.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

my review:

but forget the ninjas and the exploding subways, could someone please just save ickle Batman from the big, bad bats? christian bale is too cutesy to be gobbled up by all those horrid flying rodents! actually, bale is too cutesy to be playing Batman at all, even a young one at that. sure, Keaton, and kilmer were also quite man-pretty during their turns as batman, but at least when they put on the black mask, they became somewhat more frightening than your garden-variety trick-or-treaters. bale, however, with his toddler pout and his adorable green eyes, makes the audience want to scream "Awww!" rather than "Ahhh!" perhaps out of that motherliness inspired by bale's cutesiness, he does all this weird stuff.


Moron.

Bruce is supposed to be young, this is Batman BEGINS........he's supposed to be young.

Plus, Bruce is supposed to be a good looking guy. It's actually part of the requirements, which I think Keaton might have not had.

And, what's even funnier.....Bale was the most gruffy of the Bat actors b/c he was even with the beard, the first time we've seen that onscreen.

eventually, Bruce gets mixed up with a group of hallucinogen-inhaling nuts who, after raiding the "Last Samurai" and "Lord of the Rings" wardrobes and looting the "Star Wars" script (Bale definitely wore an Anakin getup), are off to work on their next mission: destroying gotham through fear. stupid concept.


You've never read a Batman comic in your life.

for some reason nolan came up with the horrid "invention" Rachel Dawes, played woodenly by Katie Holmes (never mind Batman, beware the wrath of Tom Cruise!) and butler Alfred. caine, along with most of the other mature members of the cast, delivered an unsatisfying performance, limited by trite dialogue and a weak plot. though he was purely magical in "cider house rules," this time he lacked the old alfred's subtlety and twinkling eyes, making the butler's cynicism protrude like a bucked tooth.

If you think Caine was bad, well......your no fan of GOOD acting then. Your just a jackass who owns a dictionary.....thinking words like "trite" will give your arguement some merit, but your making no sense.


that is nothing compared to what the film did to Liam Neeson. it was painful to watch one of the masters of the craft deliver "Star Wars" clichés like "You were my greatest student" and "You should have been fighting by my side." Seriously, throw him a light-saber and get him out of his matrix-tailored suits and obi-Wan has got himself another clone.


Liam Neeson is a master at the Father-figure role.....it's why he was cast.

with all the high-techno gadgets, weapons and frequent explosions, the movie is pretty effective as a "How to be a Superhero for Dummies" instruction video (remember, when you need to make a superhero cowl, order the bat ears and the basic masks separately from different Asian countries in quantities of 10,000 to avoid suspicion). Especially in the scenes flooded with bats and the sequence with the ninjas' ever-changing maze, the film is visually pleasing. Then again, so is "Spiderman," so is "Daredevil," so are lots of movies. "Batman Begins" meets all the criteria of a standard modern action flick, meaning that it is not a shabby way to pass a few hours of time, but if you are looking for substance and depth, look elsewhere. To this day, i cant think fo a better way to spend my time, and that is watching the original first 2 Batman films, they are way better then this bland soul-less turd.


Bland and souless?? Your kidding.


my good friends review:



Batman Begins....To suck.


Dumbass.

But then you probably knew that already. it's lame. Christian Bale is languid; his only use is to remind the viewer of the rampaging American Psycho who exists behind the facade of the good CEO. Liam Neeson, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman and Michael Caine provide glimmers of life, but only Tom Wilkinson among the serious actors retains his dignity by staging a revolt against the movie: his performance as a cigar-chomping mob boss is wonderfully ludicrous. Recent Scientology convert Katie Holmes gives what ought to be a career-killing performance. I might have hoped that Batman Begins would be the beginning of the end, but, alas, I've read that they're probably going ahead with a sequel.


Jackass.

*love her writing* :)


this movie just sucked in so many ways, its so obvious.

Assclown.

Wow.....that was fun.

[Bat Attack]

Who said "With great power comes great responsibility" in Batman Begins?

[Two-Face]

Uhh, he starts as Batman he's learning and makes mistakes along the way hence title "BATMAN BEGINS"

[Two-Face]

Who said "With great power comes great responsibility" in Batman Begins?


He watched "Spider-Man"? instead of Batman Begins lol

[Batwing6655]

Moron.

Bruce is supposed to be young, this is Batman BEGINS........he's supposed to be young.

Plus, Bruce is supposed to be a good looking guy. It's actually part of the requirements, which I think Keaton might have not had.

And, what's even funnier.....Bale was the most gruffy of the Bat actors b/c he was even with the beard, the first time we've seen that onscreen.



You've never read a Batman comic in your life.



If you think Caine was bad, well......your no fan of GOOD acting then. Your just a jackass who owns a dictionary.....thinking words like "trite" will give your arguement some merit, but your making no sense.




Liam Neeson is a master at the Father-figure role.....it's why he was cast.



Bland and souless?? Your kidding.




Dumbass.



Jackass.



Assclown.

Wow.....that was fun.


wow! i think that silly opinion of yours is showing again!!! better get it fixed soon!!:up: :cool:

[Morg]

Batwing and ChrisBaleBatman cool it!

[Nightwing1977]

i dont get the success of this movie, it hardly had any. the movie was getting quite some praise from critics and comic book fans for being "serious".......what they DON'T seem to see, though, is that this is a good way for an action/superhero movie to SHOOT ITSELF IN THE FOOT; for in Britain at least, batman begins, although it didnt do too unrespectably, was being greatly out-box-officed by "Madagascar" - which various reviewers on another site have said, sucks!! that surprised me to hear,but not quite obviously, hee hee. i believe batman had its time back in 89', now its just repeat after repeat of the same old sh**. when will it end?

It hardly had any? It made more than all 3 previous Bat-film, smarty pants. You really love to make excuse without real fact to back it up. Denial it all you want, the movie was a success & critics praise it more than B89. You're just a jealous, bitter Burton's fan who can't handle the truth. And BB is a repeat? Hmm....isn't B89 a repeat of Adam West's Batman as well? They both use Batman, Alfred, Gordon, Joker, criminals trying to destory Batman, using the flames from the back of the Batmobile, etc. I rest my case. And btw, BB may not made much as B89 but it sure was a better movie. If you buy that BR is better (when it didn't made much as B89), then I can buy that BB is better than B89, which made more than BB. ;)

[Bat Attack]

Batwings banned from the boards! woop woop! :)

[Bat Attack]

Happy times have come at last!

[Mr. Socko]

He got banned?

[Nightwing]

He got banned?

He didn't get banned.....Yet.

[EXCELSIOR]

Batwing6655,
COOL IT!

I can't understand why you repeatedly "review" a film that was released nearly a year ago... how you can repeatedly work paragraph after paragraph to show your dislike for the film... frankly a year later NO ONE cares what you think anymore, no one care that you hate Nolan... you have become a TROLL...
Please end it now, or you will see your posting privileges to ALL Batman forums revoked...

[Morg]

He didn't get banned.....Yet.

He's banned from the Batman boards, he no longer allowed to come in here

[Nightwing]

He's banned from the Batman boards, he no longer allowed to come in here

Good job Morg.

[LostSon88]

Much apprechiated, Morg. :up:

[Mister J]

I casually happened to wish he'd get banned from the Batman boards earlier today. If I knew that my wish carried that kind of weight, I'd have spent it wishing for the lottery or something.

Anyway, good stuff Morg.

[Morg]

Good job Morg.


wasn't me :) Dew has that power to do it

[Shawn Wayne]

Batwing6655
10-3-05 to 2-13-06
RIP

I 'll never forget the laughs we shared...

[Bat Attack]

Batwing can R.I.H. (Rest in HELL) for all I care. LOL.

[Nightwing]

wasn't me :) Dew has that power to do it

Either way.

[Bat Attack]

Thank you to all of the mods! :)

[Shawn Wayne]

How to cope with the sense of loss I'm feeling???

[Nightwing1977]

How to cope with the sense of loss I'm feeling???

Uh.....drink some beers? ;)

[Mister J]

I almost feel as good as I did when Bale was cast as Batman.

Almost. :D

[Bat Attack]

I hope thats the last we see of Batwing for a good long while. :)

[Shawn Wayne]

Uh.....drink some beers? ;)

I was drinking when I wrote that

[Nightwing]

I hope thats the last we see of Batwing for a good long while. :)

He'll probably make another account, since he'll soon realize he can't access the Batman forums to rant about how Begins was this and that anymore. Time will tell, though I hope thats not the case...

[Bat Attack]

He'll probably make another account, since he'll soon realize he can't access the Batman forums to rant about how Begins was this and that anymore. Time will tell, though I hope thats not the case...
You are probably right.:( Meh, or maybe he finally learned his lesson. Wait...what am I saying, Batwing wouldn't learn his lesson if it was 3 feet up his ass.

[Bat Attack]

Was his ''Batmanrules33'' account banned or did he just stop using it?

[Shawn Wayne]

Was his ''Batmanrules33'' account banned or did he just stop using it?


THAT was him? OMG

[Mister J]

He'll probably make another account, since he'll soon realize he can't access the Batman forums to rant about how Begins was this and that anymore. Time will tell, though I hope thats not the case...

Well he'll be easy enough to spot. Maybe Empress Dew will just ban him again.

edit: Actually

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7803630&postcount=3

[LostSon88]

If the troll can't get into the Bat-boards does he really have any more reason to come to the hype? I mean his entire livelihood revolves around Batman (hence, Batwing6655, BatmanRules33, etc.)--granted it's a very misguided and inaccurate perception of the Dark Knight, but still....

[FCEEVIPER]

I don't think anyone could've done a better job, but I'm curious what the rest of you think??
No, greatest Batman film on the silver screen. IMO

[ChrisBaleBatman]

wow! i think that silly opinion of yours is showing again!!! better get it fixed soon!!:up: :cool:

Riiiiiiggghhhttt..........

He's banned from the Batman boards, he no longer allowed to come in here

Bout time.