Bane

[regwec]

Nah, Black Mask is better than both of them
Nah, he isn't.

[Boom]

He really isn't.

[B@tfan2289]

Maybe it is mentoined before but after watching Batman: Under the Red Hood, i'm very open to the idea that Tom Hardy can play the Red Hood. I don't want Robin in the movie but working with some flashbacks that maybe will work and it will bring a very personal turn on Batman. A Batman with guilty feelings towards the death of one of his Robins and a link to the Joker who killed Jason and left him in a abonded wharehouse and Ra's al Ghul drops him in the Lazarus Pit and is reborn. It also makes a perfect link to the first 2 Batman movies.

Feeling the rage of Jason towards Bruce on the big screen would make great scenes!

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6521/jasontodd.png

[TheLongestDay]

Id love to see Hardy as Bane.

Presented as the self made "perfect specimen" just like Bruce,but without the advantages of wealth and power,instead growing up in the most harsh prison imaginable - with a fear of Bats just like Bruce that he must overcome by destroying THE BATMAN.

(maybe the Venom Steroid is his "edge" that ultimately becomes his undoing?)

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As far as his look goes,I say drop the mask and just have him in black combat gear ala RAMBO

http://www.shioktoys.com/blog/uploaded_images/rambo3-702314.jpg

[Majik1387]

Nah, he isn't.
He really isn't.
:whatever:
As far as his look goes,I say drop the mask and just have him in black combat gear ala RAMBO

http://www.shioktoys.com/blog/uploaded_images/rambo3-702314.jpg
:dry:

[TheLongestDay]

:dry:

Sans headband and weapons.

[Majik1387]

That's even worse though. You basically just want Tom Hardy in a wife beater and army pants as Bane.

[TheLongestDay]

That's even worse though. You basically just want Tom Hardy in a wife beater and army pants as Bane.

UUUmmmmmmm

http://derek237.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/bane2.jpg

Why does he have to have a hi-tech outfit? If hes an ex-con whose a self made badass why not just have him in Black military style gear???

[Majik1387]

You don't even want him having his signature mask though. :huh:

You basically just want a merc on steroids

[TheLongestDay]

You don't even want him having his signature mask though. :huh:

You basically just want a merc on steroids

Why does the mask change his character completely??

Every single villain in the Nolan Batman films looks different from their comic counterpart,some more so than others.

Was the Joker a boring villain in TDK because he didnt have bleached skin?:huh:

[RustyCage]

Why does the mask change his character completely??

Every single villain in the Nolan Batman films looks different from their comic counterpart,some more so than others.

Was the Joker a boring villain in TDK because he didnt have bleached skin?:huh:

Well, he still wore make-up, so he still had his iconic look adapted. Removing Bane's mask and not making up for it with anything else is removing his iconic look.

[Wolverine1988]

Some of you guys are ridicolous, If Bane doesn't have his mask it really isn't going to hurt the character that much , nor him not having venom.

What is Bane? He is a really strong villain that beat the Bat.

They put make up on the Joker . and it turned out to make sense and be great.Scarecrow barley wore the mask in Batman Begins, and his mask is more important to his character than Bane mask is to him

If you include Bane . and have him in a wife beater and army pantss or something similar to that be fine, it's not about the look all the time more about how the character is written.

[Wolverine1988]

Well, he still wore make-up, so he still had his iconic look adapted. Removing Bane's mask and not making up for it with anything else is removing his iconic look.


Banes look iconic? Hardly, maybe for you and fans on this website but i would hardly call his look "Iconic".

[TheLongestDay]

Some of you guys are ridicolous, If Bane doesn't have his mask it really isn't going to hurt the character that much , nor him not having venom.

What is Bane? He is a really strong villain that beat the Bat.

They put make up on the Joker . and it turned out to make sense and be great.Scarecrow barley wore the mask in Batman Begins, and his mask is more important to his character than Bane mask is to him

If you include Bane . and have him in a wife beater and army pantss or something similar to that be fine, it's not about the look all the time more about how the character is written.

Exactly :up:

[Majik1387]

Why does the mask change his character completely??

Every single villain in the Nolan Batman films looks different from their comic counterpart,some more so than others.

Was the Joker a boring villain in TDK because he didnt have bleached skin?:huh:
Scarecrow still had his burlap sack mask, and his fear gas; Ra's other than being white still had the same facial hair and hairstyle atop his head, the monotone voice of pretentiousness; Joker still had his trademark white face, red smile, dark eyes, purple suit; Two-Face still had a scarred face in a business suit with one side clearly different from the other.
:huh:
Well, he still wore make-up, so he still had his iconic look adapted. Removing Bane's mask and not making up for it with anything else is removing his iconic look.
Exactly
Some of you guys are ridicolous, If Bane doesn't have his mask it really isn't going to hurt the character that much , nor him not having venom.
Yes, it will. And I freaking hate Bane.

What is Bane? He is a really strong villain that beat the Bat. Mainly because of the venom.
They put make up on the Joker . and it turned out to make sense and be great.Burton did it too.
Scarecrow barley wore the mask in Batman Begins, and his mask is more important to his character than Bane mask is to himIt's just as important to each of them.
As for Scarecrow "barely" wearing a mask in the movie, that's due to his little screentime in the movie; If he was only Scarecrow you'd hear complaints about there being barely/no Jonathan Crane.
If you include Bane .Movie gods forbid
and have him in a wife beater and army pantss or something similar to that be fine, it's not about the look all the time more about how the character is written.That's unimaginative, boring and simplistic reasoning.
Banes look iconic? Hardly, maybe for you and fans on this website but i would hardly call his look "Iconic".
Is his face the first thing that pops into your head when you think Bane? :whatever:

[TheLongestDay]

That's unimaginative, boring and simplistic reasoning.


What? Story,characterisation and motive are unimaginative, boring and simplistic reasons for adapting a characters look for the big screen???

As opposed to a character wearing a wrestling mask?

I hope you never direct a movie :oldrazz:

[Majik1387]

What? Story,characterisation and motive are unimaginative, boring and simplistic reasons for adapting a characters look for the big screen???
Check the bold underline. Characterization is more than just his back story and motive(s) as they do affect his look.
As opposed to a character wearing a wrestling mask?
Again, do you ven know what Bane's face looks like?
And I noticed you dropped the venom from your point so I won't go there.
I hope you never direct a movie :oldrazz:
You'd be lucky to have me direct a movie.

[TheLongestDay]

Check the bold underline. Characterization is more than just his back story and motive(s) as they do affect his look.

Ummm yes,but where in Banes backstory and my "proposed" characterisation of him for the third Batman movie suggest it would be fitting for him to don a luchador mask?

Again, do you ven know what Bane's face looks like?
And I noticed you dropped the venom from your point so I won't go there.

When did I drop the venom? I suggested it might be a good story point to give Bane the physical edge.

And yes,I do know what Banes face looks like as I am a fan of the character in his earlier days - in Vengeance of Bane he hardly wears his mask.

You'd be lucky to have me direct a movie.

:whatever:

[Majik1387]

Ummm yes,but where in Banes backstory and my "proposed" characterisation of him for the third Batman movie suggest it would be fitting for him to don a luchador mask?[quote]
Considering most his fighting technique is Lucha libre driven, it's not out of left field for him to be wearing a luchador mask.
[quote]When did I drop the venom? I suggested it might be a good story point to give Bane the physical edge.
Sorry, mistook what Wolverine1988 said as you. My mistake.
And yes,I do know what Banes face looks like as I am a fan of the character in his earlier days - in Vengeance of Bane he hardly wears his mask.
Possibly have a pic of it at all as google only shows the covers of Vengeance of Bane, all of them wearing the mask. I wonder why that is.....
:whatever:
Don't be mad.:o

[TheLongestDay]

Considering most his fighting technique is Lucha libre driven, it's not out of left field for him to be wearing a luchador mask.

Maybe in the comics,but if he grew up in a prison honing his fighting techniques during brawls and riots where would the mexican wrestling come from?



Possibly have a pic of it at all as google only shows the covers of Vengeance of Bane, all of them wearing the mask. I wonder why that is.....

Because comic fans like masks and costumes?

Oh BTW:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_60hznQsXgF4/S10-56Ag00I/AAAAAAAAAiQ/pqL3y9oWGh4/s320/Bane+Quip.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/TLJTtCkMJXI/AAAAAAAAO8o/7Ts_aR3PGnk/s1600/secretsix26+-+childofmyheart.jpg

Here he is with long hair in the VOB sequel

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27414/1045616-batman___vengeance_of_bane_ii_pg32_super.jpg


Also see my manip.

[Majik1387]

Maybe in the comics,but if he grew up in a prison honing his fighting techniques during brawls and riots where would the mexican wrestling come from?
You mean the make believe Spanish island in the Caribbean? I'm pretty sure a Spanish heavy area would know of mexican wrestling.
Because comic fans like masks and costumes?
Exactly.
Also see my manip
Saw the manip; Honestly didn't care for it. Not that it was poorly made or anything like that, it just looks like Hardy in a wife-beater, which is barely a manip to me.

[Laderlappen]

Never mind the mask, what about the muscles?! Are we forgetting that Bane is huge as a mountain?

[Majik1387]

I'll say the muscles would be subjective. If he were cast as Bane, I would just want him significantly larger than Bale.

[TheLongestDay]

You mean the make believe Spanish island in the Caribbean? I'm pretty sure a Spanish heavy area would know of mexican wrestling.

Who says he has to be Spanish? Liam Neeson isnt arabic.

Exactly.

BUT we are talking about a movie....:doh:

Saw the manip; Honestly didn't care for it. Not that it was poorly made or anything like that, it just looks like Hardy in a wife-beater, which is barely a manip to me.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/bronsonfilm_450x300.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/thelongestday_photos/bronsonfilm_450x300copy.jpg

But bane wears a wife beater/vest :huh:

[Majik1387]

Who says he has to be Spanish? Liam Neeson isnt arabic.
So you want a character that's not akin to the character in backstory or looks..............why bother using the character's name instead of creating a new one? :huh:
BUT we are talking about a movie....:doh:
A comic book movie, which is what some seem to forget these are around this sub-forum. And I swear to god if you try to bring up "realism" :cmad:

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http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/thelongestday_photos/bronsonfilm_450x300copy.jpg

But bane wears a wife beater/vest :huh:
You got rid of a mustache, added hair to his head and messed with the saturation of the pic. Honestly makes me think of Guile before Bane.

[RustyCage]

If you include Bane . and have him in a wife beater and army pantss or something similar to that be fine, it's not about the look all the time more about how the character is written.

This is a Batman villain. Batman villains have iconic looks. The look is every bit as important as how well he's written for that reason alone. However, him having a mask or not has no effect on the writing quality, so your point about the narrative is utterly irrelevant.

Bane could be maskless at times, sure, like Scarecrow, but there's no reason to strip him of his visual identity. All of Nolan's Batvillains have looked their parts thus far.

Banes look iconic? Hardly, maybe for you and fans on this website but i would hardly call his look "Iconic".

World English Dictionary
iconic or iconical (aɪˈkɒnɪk) http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html) — adj
1. relating to, resembling, or having the character of an icon
2. (of memorial sculptures, esp those depicting athletes of ancient Greece) having a fixed conventional style

Not a difficult concept, Wolvy. The way he looks is iconic for his character in the Batman universe in the same way that Scarecrow's mask is for Scarecrow.

You might not find it to be personally appealing or whatever, but he has a signature iconic look, period.

[RustyCage]

Exactly :up:

Then why bother manip'ing out the mustache and giving him Bane's haircut? :whatever:

[TheLongestDay]

So you want a character that's not akin to the character in backstory or looks..............why bother using the character's name instead of creating a new one? :huh:

Oh boy,you're really stretching now.

Go back and read my previous comments - as long as the characters origin and motive remain what does it matter if they aren't the same nationality as their comic book counterpart?

Especially when it has no bearing on the character whatsoever?

A comic book movie, which is what some seem to forget these are around this sub-forum. And I swear to god if you try to bring up "realism" :cmad:

Aaawww dont get mad. It could be argued that Nolans approach of "realism" is why we had a Batman film that won Oscars and is highly regarded not just as a "comic book movie".

You got rid of a mustache, added hair to his head and messed with the saturation of the pic. Honestly makes me think of Guile before Bane.

If Guile doesnt have his green fatigues,massive blonde brush hair and USA tattoos then hes not Guile atall though right???:cwink:

[ChinoXL]

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs32/f/2008/215/4/a/Bane_redesigned_by_Tiobolasdoro.jpg

i mean if you have the right vision you can really change his look but make it right still..i don't mean necessarily this but he doesn't have to be retarded looking either with the right vision

[TheLongestDay]

Then why bother manip'ing out the mustache and giving him Bane's haircut? :whatever:

So that he resembles the character sans the more outlandish qualities that wouldnt work as well in a live action movie.:whatever:

IF they use Bane and can think of a good reason story wise for him to wear that mask that still fits in the established universe then awesome.

[Majik1387]

Oh boy,you're really stretching now.
Not stretching at all, I'm working with what you're proposing. :huh:
Go back and read my previous comments - as long as the characters origin and motive remain what does it matter if they aren't the same nationality as their comic book counterpart?
It just happens to be on the checklist of things Bane that you're choosing to ignore for some reason.
Especially when it has no bearing on the character whatsoever?
Where he's from and how he grew up has no bearing on his character? :huh:
Aaawww dont get mad. It could be argued that Nolans approach of "realism" is why we had a Batman film that won Oscars and is highly regarded not just as a "comic book movie".
Except for the fact that none of it is due to this "realism" craze the fanatic fanboys have created in their minds.
If Guile doesnt have his green fatigues,massive blonde brush hair and USA tattoos then hes not Guile atall though right???:cwink:
It's more Guile than it ever will be Bane.

[Majik1387]

So that he resembles the character sans the more outlandish qualities that wouldnt work as well in a live action movie.:whatever:
A luchador mask wouldn't work in a movie with a burlap mask, a man wearing ugly clown make up and a man with a half mutilated face/skull? :whatever:
IF they use Bane and can think of a good reason story wise for him to wear that mask that still fits in the established universe then awesome.
It's been working for some in the comics for 17 years so far

[TheLongestDay]

Not stretching at all, I'm working with what you're proposing. :huh:

Then you sir,have either speed read my comments - or just missed the point entirely.

It just happens to be on the checklist of things Bane that you're choosing to ignore for some reason.

I just dont happen to find his mask all that important. It doesnt define the character for me and I would say Im a pretty big fan of Bane.

Where he's from and how he grew up has no bearing on his character? :huh:

Stretching again I see....I JUST explained its HOW he grew up not WHERE,if you are going to debate with me please read my entire post next time.

BTW did it matter to you that Ras wasnt Arabic?



It's more Guile than it ever will be Bane.

In your opinion...which quite honestly I dont hold in high regard.

[Majik1387]

Then you sir,have either speed read my comments - or just missed the point entirely.
Not really.
You want Bane to look like Rambo, no mask, no venom tubes only fatigues, don't care about his ethnicity, and you think writing will make up for all of it instead of working with it.
What did I miss?
I just dont happen to find his mask all that important. It doesnt define the character for me and I would say Im a pretty big fan of Bane.
It defines the look of Bane. This is reminiscent of when people were so adamant of Joker wearing no purple in TDK because it wouldn't be realistic in Nolan's Bat-movies. Sure, purple is adaptable to screen, but it's part of Joker's iconic look; to not use it would have been stupid because it doesn't take away anything from the character.
Stretching again I see....I JUST explained it HOW he grew up not WHERE,if you are going to debate with me please read my entire post next time.
I read the entire post and you can't just choose HOW over WHERE, because it's not only about HOW you grew up, it's also about WHERE you are that responded to HOW you grew up. That plus time is what builds character.
BTW did it matter to you that Ras wasnt Arabic?
Honestly, yea it pissed me off a bit, especially considering it's still debatable on these boards if Ra's was even a real person instead of just a title passed down(like Watanabe's Ra's was to Neeson's Ra's)
In your opinion...which quite honestly I dont hold in high regard.
Your problem, not mine.

[RustyCage]

Honestly, yea it pissed me off a bit, especially considering it's still debatable on these boards if Ra's was even a real person instead of just a title passed down(like Watanabe's Ra's was to Neeson's Ra's).

Was that established? Considering Ra's is known to use decoys, I figured Ken Watanabe to be a decoy, while Ducard was the real Ra's.

I guess either is possible.

[TheLongestDay]

Not really.
You want Bane to look like Rambo, no mask, no venom tubes only fatigues, don't care about his ethnicity, and you think writing will make up for all of it instead of working with it.
What did I miss?

My point. And I notice you are twisting my words to try and prove your "point".


It defines the look of Bane. This is reminiscent of when people were so adamant of Joker wearing no purple in TDK because it wouldn't be realistic in Nolan's Bat-movies. Sure, purple is adaptable to screen, but it's part of Joker's iconic look; to not use it would have been stupid because it doesn't take away anything from the character.

I also said IF they can make it work - great. I was just proposing a way of making it work without,as his mask isnt terribly important to me.


I read the entire post and you can't just choose HOW over WHERE, because it's not only about HOW you grew up, it's also about WHERE you are that responded to HOW you grew up. That plus time is what builds character.

So it matters where the tiny random prison Bane grows up in is geographically? Why? As long as he grows up in a prison why does it matter what part of the world its in?

They could get away with NEVER telling us....and Id probably prefer it to be honest


Honestly, yea it pissed me off a bit

I didnt even notice,I was too busy enjoying THE MOVIE and Neesons acting. I thought he was great in the role.

Your problem, not mine.

Oh its not a problem,believe me :woot:

[Majik1387]

Was that established? Considering Ra's is known to use decoys, I figured Ken Watanabe to be a decoy, while Ducard was the real Ra's.

I guess either is possible.
I've read posts that still believe it as a title, instead of a person. I'm sure it's open to interpretation, but sometimes(most of the time) posters here make things more difficult than they should be.
My point. And I notice you are twisting my words to try and prove your "point".
First, I'm not twisitng your words around, I'm repeating what you've posted. Second, what exactly is your point that I've "apparently" missed?
I also said IF they can make it work - great. I was just proposing a way of making it work without,as his mask isnt terribly important to me.To you it's not, to the most of his fans, it is.
So it matters where the tiny random prison Bane grows up in is geographically? Why? As long as he grows up in a prison why does it matter what part of the world its in?Yea, because every part of the world has the same kind of culture and way of doing things.........waitaminute
They could get away with NEVER telling us....and Id probably prefer it to be honestThe same way they can get away with never telling us why he wears the mask. :cwink:
I didnt even notice,I was too busy enjoying THE MOVIE and Neesons acting. I thought he was great in the role.I enjoyed the movie just fine, Neeson's casting as Ra's was a small qualm of BB to me; it had other more prominent flaws. Neeson pretty much had the look save for a tan.
Oh its not a problem,believe me :woot:Yet you reply to it.

[TheLongestDay]

Yea, because every part of the world has the same kind of culture and way of doing things.........waitaminute

Which part of the world do they make kids serve their fathers prison sentence from birth?


The same way they can get away with never telling us why he wears the mask. :cwink:

Ummmmm no.

They explained why Joker wore makeup. They explained why Scarecrow wore a mask. They explained/showed how Two-Face became disfigured.

Yet some guy shows up with a mask obscuring his whole face for no reason....ummmm yeah.....:doh:

Yet you reply to it.

Yes,but its certainly not a problem.:woot:

[Majik1387]

Which part of the world do they make kids serve their fathers prison sentence from birth?
Apparently on an island prison in the Caribbean Republic of Santa Prisca
Ummmmm no.

They explained why Joker wore makeup.
:huh:
Where? All he kept referring to in different origins was his chelsea grin
They explained why Scarecrow wore a mask. They explained/showed how Two-Face became disfigured.

Yet some guy shows up with a mask obscuring his whole face for no reason....ummmm yeah.....:doh:
Hiding his identity isn't enough of a reason?

[Nave 'Torment']

Just finished watching Bronson after reading about the hype here, I gotta say I can see why a lot of people think of Hugo Strange, Bane and/or Killer Croc for the next Batman film. The cover compared Bronson with A Clockwork Orange, and while I agree that it was as macabre (if not more), I'm still adamant about Tom Hardy being a great Hush. Of course, he could play any one of the other characters with just as much dramatization. Very powerful actor, this one.

[TheLongestDay]

Apparently on an island prison in the Caribbean Republic of Santa Prisca

They have many Luchadores in the Caribbean? Wouldnt it be more likely he would do Ju-jitsu?

Where? All he kept referring to in different origins was his chelsea grin

Watch the movie again dude.

Clown Thug 1:

I heard he wears make up

Clown Thug 2:

Make up?

Clown Thug 1:

Yeah you know? Warpaint,to scare people.

(something along those lines I believe....)

Hiding his identity isn't enough of a reason?

Why would he hide his identity?? LOL

Hes only ever known as BANE! :lmao:

[Majik1387]

They have many Luchadores in the Caribbean? Wouldnt it be more likely he would do Ju-jitsu?
I'm sur he wouldn't be against using that either.
Watch the movie again dude.
Clown Thug 1:
I heard he wears make up
Clown Thug 2:
Make up?
Clown Thug 1:
Yeah you know? Warpaint,to scare people.
(something along those lines I believe....)
And you think I'm reaching with responses? :dry:
Why would he hide his identity?? LOL
Hes only ever known as BANE! :lmao:
Would be kind of odd to hide that Guile haircut in public after facing off with Batman and the cops; it's a dead giveaway.

[TheLongestDay]

I'm sur he wouldn't be against using that either.

Does that mean he would need a mask?

And you think I'm reaching with responses? :dry:

UUmmmm but that actually takes place in the movie...and at the beginning,preparing the audience to accept the character.:whatever:

I believe you said you couldn't recall ANY explanation of the face paints.

Would be kind of odd to hide that Guile haircut in public after facing off with Batman and the cops; it's a dead giveaway.

All the cops knew what the Joker looked like too - didnt help them catch him. :dry:

[Nave 'Torment']

Okay not that this is any more relevant but....

Tom Hardy in Bronson was very much what Bane is (the self-titled 'king' in prison), would he want to take up a role that's so strikingly similar to something he's done before? If Hardy really is the artistic dramatist as his reputation says, he would stay away from similar roles. Just my theory.

[TheLongestDay]

Okay not that this is any more relevant but....

Tom Hardy in Bronson was very much what Bane is (the self-titled 'king' in prison), would he want to take up a role that's so strikingly similar to something he's done before? If Hardy really is the artistic dramatist as his reputation says, he would stay away from similar roles. Just my theory.

You're probably right. But its fun to speculate :)

[MechaOrga]

i am not opposed to Bane at all... would definitely work in a Nolan or nolan esque batman film...(doesn't HAVE to be of spanish origins either)

My silly but true thinking for why Bane will NOT be in TDKR is that Nolan's Male villains (even in his non Bat films) are ALWAYS wearing business suits of sorts. I guess it translates to "Corporate evil" business on some sub level or success=evil...just an auteur flourish...

but i see Hugo strange/Black Mask being the male villain (s)" more so than Bane.

Hardy could play anybody with his acting skills, looks, and charm...

[TheLongestDay]

i am not opposed to Bane at all... would definitely work in a Nolan or nolan esque batman film...(doesn't HAVE to be of spanish origins either)

My silly but true thinking for why Bane will NOT be in TDKR is that Nolan's Male villains (even in his non Bat films) are ALWAYS wearing business suits of sorts. I guess it translates to "Corporate evil" business on some sub level or success=evil...just an auteur flourish...

but i see Hugo strange/Black Mask being the male villain (s)" more so than Bane.

Hardy could play anybody with his acting skills, looks, and charm...

I concur.

Personally I want him for Catwoman :cwink:

[Majik1387]

Does that mean he would need a mask?
:whatever:
Yes. He needs a mask
UUmmmm but that actually takes place in the movie...and at the beginning,preparing the audience to accept the character.:whatever:
More like introduce the character, but whatever floats your boat.
I believe you said you couldn't recall ANY explanation of the face paints.
Because throw away lines tend to be thrown away once they're heard; Especially if they don't have plot related substance. :huh:
All the cops knew what the Joker looked like too - didnt help them catch him. :dry:
They knew what Joker looked like as Joker in make up, not out of make up which is why he blended easily with the cops.

[TheLongestDay]

:whatever:
Yes. He needs a mask

Because you say so? Right I get it. Good reasoning.


More like introduce the character, but whatever floats your boat.

Isnt that the same thing? :doh:

Because throw away lines tend to be thrown away once they're heard; Especially if they don't have plot related substance. :huh:

Some of the first lines of the movie...throw away huh? :whatever:

I tend to pay attention.

They knew what Joker looked like as Joker in make up, not out of make up which is why he blended easily with the cops.

Surrounded by his goons dressed as Cops.

[Majik1387]

Because you say so? Right I get it. Good reasoning.
It's as good a reasoning as you not finding the mask important.
Isnt that the same thing? :doh:
No.
Some of the first lines of the movie...throw away huh? :whatever:
Wouldn't be the first time for a movie of any kind to have throwaway first lines. :huh:
I tend to pay attention.
Sorry I'm not a TDK-fanatic. It was good for a one time full watch, too long and drawn out for repeated viewings for my taste. Sometimes I'll catch it on tv every so often, but Nolan's Batman movie's while good, aren't that great to me.
Surrounded by his goons dressed as Cops.
His goons didn't make up the entire police force.

[Nave 'Torment']

You're probably right. But its fun to speculate :)

:awesome: very true!

[Nave 'Torment']

i am not opposed to Bane at all... would definitely work in a Nolan or nolan esque batman film...(doesn't HAVE to be of spanish origins either)

My silly but true thinking for why Bane will NOT be in TDKR is that Nolan's Male villains (even in his non Bat films) are ALWAYS wearing business suits of sorts. I guess it translates to "Corporate evil" business on some sub level or success=evil...just an auteur flourish...

but i see Hugo strange/Black Mask being the male villain (s)" more so than Bane.

Hardy could play anybody with his acting skills, looks, and charm...

I dunno dude, I've always thought those 'clean business-suit wearing' 'Mr. Cobb's as character-types that give you a 'new path' or an insight into a 'new world' in all the Nolan movies. Not necessarily always evil, the 'pure' villains are almost always those characters who lack a clear logical or monetary motivation in Nolan's movies. But that's just my own silly here :)

Bane can certainly work well in this continuity, his 'gimmick' is that of simply being a better 'human specimen' like Batman, with the Venom being both his rise and fall. A story centered around Venom (and Bale portraying that side of Wayne) would be brilliant. Black Mask can exist as an antagonistic figure with any other villain, being a bastardisation of the Mob in the wake of the Freaks taking center-stage now. But Black Mask could do well to be a secondary rogue, with more prominence given to some other character. I'm not a big fan of Strange personally so I won't go there. The reason why I'm all pro-Hush now (despite that being the 'too obvious' and 'really unlikely to happen' choice) is because with him we have a character who organised these 'Freaks' just to confound Bats. Bane, on the other hand, had merely unleashed them. Of course, Bane did 'break the bat' so there's no argument there.

Bottomline, either one of these villains would make for a terrific TDKR story.

But please, WB/Nolan, give us Selina Kyle.

[TheLongestDay]

It's as good a reasoning as you not finding the mask important.

Thats not my reasoning for Bane not having a mask though :doh:



Wouldn't be the first time for a movie of any kind to have throwaway first lines. :huh:

...except thats not the case with TDK.

Sorry I'm not a TDK-fanatic. It was good for a one time full watch, too long and drawn out for repeated viewings for my taste. Sometimes I'll catch it on tv every so often, but Nolan's Batman movie's while good, aren't that great to me.

Even more reason why your arguments here make no sense.

His goons didn't make up the entire police force.

Never said they did,but if you noticed (probably didnt) that Bruce finds the REAL Cops who have been stripped of their uniforms etc and were replaced by Jokers thugs.

Like you said though,you only saw it once all the way through and didnt care for it much.

[Octoberist]

I hope people wanting Bane to be a really buff dude wearing a wife beater and fatigues are just kidding, right? It sounds so absurd.

[regwec]

Why's that?

[TheLongestDay]

I hope people wanting Bane to be a really buff dude wearing a wife beater and fatigues are just kidding, right? It sounds so absurd.

Isnt that what he wears anyway? Except with a mask. :huh:

[Octoberist]

Then don't have him at all then. There's a certain point when you're stripping down a character visual where you have to stop.

[Octoberist]

Why's that?

I'm not a huge fan of Bane though I get his appeal, but no, I don't want a really buff guy in a wifebeater for a villain. Unless you have Venom, or something like that in there. But if he's just works out, that's kinda lame.

[regwec]

I think Bane's look could be modified quite easily. Maybe keep his combat trousers, and add a turtle neck sweater and a ski mask. It would give him more of a classical terrorist look.

[TheLongestDay]

I'm not a huge fan of Bane though I get his appeal, but no, I don't want a really buff guy in a wifebeater for a villain. Unless you have Venom, or something like that in there. But if he's just works out, that's kinda lame.

If they can make the mask work than great - all Im saying is I dont see it as the be all and end all of Bane as a character.

Ras didnt need a mask to look threatening or convincing (or a lavish green cape for that matter).

I think Bane could look just as cool with the mohawk type do he sports and if they did go with the venom to give him the physical edge - have it more as a super steroid rather than making him "HULK out".

One things for sure - I would NOT want him to look like this:

http://derek237.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/baneeee.jpg

http://www.**************.com/images/users/gallerypictures/2770L.jpg

[Boom]

IF Tom Hardy is playing the villain, and IF he is not playing Hugo Strange, then I'll keep my fingers crossed for Bane. And if all else fails, I may be able to stomach him as Hush.

**** Black Mask.
**** Deadshot.

:awesome:

[TheBatman072]

I'd want him in his classic mask, without a mouthhole, but WITH eyeholes.

In a dark suit. And when he goes to fight Batman, he injects himself with a super steroid he calls Venom. It makes him stronger and seemingly impervious to pain.

He takes off his jacket and shirt to a simple black wifebeater underneath when he gets ready to fight.

That way we get something realistic, but also retain the classic look of the character.

[Nave 'Torment']

^ thanks for those pics :D I needed those.

From the later comics I loved how Bane had a very amoral personality to him. He was neither a foe nor a friend to the Bat-Family, and was actually at odds with Ra's and his League of Assassins.

[Nave 'Torment']

Seriously, what other 'lead character' in a Batman movie can a man play other than the villain? For God's sake he isn't Bruce Wayne, Alfred or James Gordon. And Robin is, by his own role (even if it is only as gay partner), not a lead.

[Nave 'Torment']

The above comment was directed towards those who consider Hardy in a supporting role when the news report stated he was going to play a lead.

[Octoberist]

I can't think of anyone who could be the lead.

People brought up a corrupted DA or Bullock, but I can't see any of them being big roles anyway. The Dark Knight had Dent and his big role as the DA; it probably won't happen again, nor would it be compelling. And I can't see Bullock's role (if he's in) being any bigger than the other fellow detectives in Dark Knight.

[Boom]

I don't recall anyone saying that Tom Hardy has "lead role."

According to Nolan, Hardy has "a key role, not saying good or bad." Doesn't necessarily have to be a lead role in order to be important.

[Nave 'Torment']

I read the story from another news-site (sorry SHH) but I'm certain that's interpreted as lead role. Tom Hardy is the next Batman villain. As Octoberist and many others have pointed out, any other role wouldn't be as prominent as what Nolan has suggested.

[Secret Fawful]

Weren't people saying similar things about Anthony Michael Hall back when he was announced to be in The Dark Knight. Everyone back then was speculating that he absolutely had to be playing a villain, and there was even speculation that he was playing Edward Nigma or something, right? And look what he turned out to be. I really do think everyone is getting their hopes up on Hardy's role, and I think that whoever plays the villains have not been cast yet. I call misdirection. I'm the pahty poopah.

[PreK]

There is a very big difference between the caliber of AMH and Hardy. C'mon now.

[Secret Fawful]

I dunno. I've only seen Hardy in Inception. Recommend some titles for me. Still, only time will tell if caliber is the point here. People would have said years ago there is a huge difference between the caliber of Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger, but y'know.

[diabolik]

If it's based on Prey....I'm sure he's going to be Night Scourge

[Majik1387]

Weren't people saying similar things about Anthony Michael Hall back when he was announced to be in The Dark Knight. Everyone back then was speculating that he absolutely had to be playing a villain, and there was even speculation that he was playing Edward Nigma or something, right? And look what he turned out to be. I really do think everyone is getting their hopes up on Hardy's role, and I think that whoever plays the villains have not been cast yet. I call misdirection. I'm the pahty poopah.
The thing is AMH said himself he had a 100 million dollar role, not Nolan.
With Hardy, Nolan clearly said he had a key role in TDKR

[JokerLedger]

I said this a couple months ago when Hardy was first announced but I still think Tom Hardy will be playing The Wrath, the anti-Batman. Total left field villain :)

[Doctor Who]

I'd want him in his classic mask, without a mouthhole, but WITH eyeholes.

In a dark suit. And when he goes to fight Batman, he injects himself with a super steroid he calls Venom. It makes him stronger and seemingly impervious to pain.

He takes off his jacket and shirt to a simple black wifebeater underneath when he gets ready to fight.

That way we get something realistic, but also retain the classic look of the character.

Props. :up:

What Nolan understands is that he tries to make the villians of the film in touch with reality and perseptive vision, but at the same time fitting to the character and closely adapted to the books.

I think the mask might need a little work of a new design; mainly it's used not only to conceal his identity, but secures his tubes for Venom source on the back of his neck (according to the original Knightfall look). Now, I've thought of if Nolan took this into consideration, he might make a personilized/theatrical looking gas mask that instead of injecting the source through the bloodstream, is converted into vapor and is then inhaled; that way, it could give his mask perhaps more of an armored look and is an essantial piece to the Venom process. Either way, that could work around injection as well too.

In terms of the rest of the costume, I think the normal top grade steel toe combat boots, black latex army pants, and tactical shirt (long or short sleeve) will do nicely; bullet proof vest and a few utility belt and holders couldn't hurt either having that Bane doesn't always resort to using only Venom. There's been many times where he's proved to be a master sniper, using machine guns, and favortism to Stingers. :word: It's important that he wears clothes that are protective, but as well as flexible when bulks out.

[regwec]

Latex pants?

[Doctor Who]

Latex pants?

http://www.milanoo.com/upload/products/201001/Black-Latex-Army-Pants-16176-1.jpg

Military style. It's not only his chest and arms that get big; I just figured something that could help expand his muscles without pulling a Hulk. :oldrazz:

[Denish]

Hey Guys, someone on an italian forum who says that has inside sources called "brian knight" is sure that Dr. Thomas "Tommy" Elliot is in the movie, but by now we can't know nothing else..hope it's true, and that Hardy is the character..soon we'll have more news..

[regwec]

I think that members of this board should use their own sense of skepticism as a filter between other forums and this one.

I am an insider- Emily Blunt will be Catwoman. You see?

[Denish]

I think that members of this board should use their own sense of skepticism as a filter between other forums and this one.

I am an insider- Emily Blunt will be Catwoman. You see?
Yeah, I know..JGL is Harley Quinn..same thing..
I just wanted to share this info with you, we all know how much "sources" are around the web..

[The Guard]

While it's a bit early for him, Bane really shouldn't be difficult to design.

He can pretty much wear anything. I can easily see Bane wearing a suit or a trenchcoat, and if there's a moment where he needs to look classic, pants, boots, a black sleeveless number, and a mask with a semi skull insignia on it would be fine. It'd be an intimidation thing, not for diguise. I wouldn't have him wear gloves, though. He'd want people to know who he was.

I kind of...kind of like this:

http://www.figurerealm.com/Customs/17000/16581-3.jpg

Venom wouldn't have to be a tube, it could just be an injection or a pill or something.

If Bane was ever used, I'd love to see elements of the VENOM storyline where Batman uses the Venom to give him an edge in his war and has to break his addiction to it.

[BH/HHH]

I'm convinced Hardy's playing Harvey Bullock or a character like that.

I always said I didn't think he was playing the villain of course we don't know if he will have a part as a villain still or not but I don't think he is.

[baleheadbrasil]

If it's based on Prey....I'm sure he's going to be Night Scourge

How the people are so sure that the movie will be based on Prey?
Nothing is confirmed yet.

[Doctor Who]

How the people are so sure that the movie will be based on Prey?
Nothing is confirmed yet.

Exactly. However, if they're going to use that story in any shape or form, I support it; Prey is a very interesting story. And I honestly love how people are getting hyped for it; it makes the value of my original prints of Prey sky rocket. It's TKJ for TDK all over again. :woot: :hrt:

[ModestMr.Green]

Just watched Bronson. It is indeed as great as everyone says it is. I just wish he was playing the Joker. He showcased a lot more of the Joker's character in Bronson than anyone else I can think of. But I'm sure he has the acting capability to pull off just about anybody. Still, his Joker would've been great.

[Jokers_Wild]

I think it's highly likely to be based on Prey...however, I think like TDK it will be based on and take inspiration from a combination of stories. I think Hardy could very well be a cop like Cort who tries to take down the vigilante...not sure if he would be Night Scourge though, possibly Deadshot(?). I'm definitely thinking Hardy won't be Strange though.

[Nave 'Torment']

I agree with ModestMr.Green, but Bronson reminded me more about Bane from the Batman rogues (that clown make up wasn't Joker nuff :P) he is stuck in a prison and considers himself to dominate it in every way. I like watching movies thinking of Batman. Same with Inception but lets ignore that.

Going back to Anthony Hall, I dunno, if I were to assign roles his character had everything to become The Creeper.

[Nepenthes]

Bane's mask can be easily to adapted to SWAT style head gear. He can even wear markings on his face as symbols of rank, captain in an elite squad of hunter commandos, if you want to style it up a little. Codenames Deadshot and Reaper in the background.

[Doctor Who]

Bane's mask can be easily to adapted to SWAT style head gear. He can even wear markings on his face as symbols of rank, captain in an elite squad of hunter commandos, if you want to style it up a little. Codenames Deadshot and Reaper in the background.

Easily indeed. Like I was saying earlier, he could easily acquire pieces of a tactical army mask with the goggles and the full army mask, put it together that meets protective reinforcement and personalize himself to make it resemble the luchador mask or however it was interpreted in the comics and cartoons

http://media.uxcell.com/uxcell/images/item/catalog/ux_a06090100ux0025_ux_c.jpg

http://www.budgetgadgets.com/asp2/images/Army%20of%20Two%20Mask%20bk.JPG

[the amazing fro]

^^^

I could definitely see the second one working well.

[papie]

The second one gave a Black Mask feeling. Which I'd also like, a subtle mask. No skull, just that.

[ModestMr.Green]

I agree with ModestMr.Green, but Bronson reminded me more about Bane from the Batman rogues (that clown make up wasn't Joker nuff :P) he is stuck in a prison and considers himself to dominate it in every way. I like watching movies thinking of Batman. Same with Inception but lets ignore that.

Going back to Anthony Hall, I dunno, if I were to assign roles his character had everything to become The Creeper.

Oh, it wasn't just the clown make-up for me. The deliberate head movements, the hateful yet playful stares, the wide smile, his more suave moments, and his generally unpredictable nature.

Though the clown make-up certainly helped. :o

[Nave 'Torment']

Oh, it wasn't just the clown make-up for me. The deliberate head movements, the hateful yet playful stares, the wide smile, his more suave moments, and his generally unpredictable nature.

Though the clown make-up certainly helped. :o

I loved the way dude attacked that loony and was being dragged off to the asylum, there he is, sportin' v signs and lovin every moment of it. The king of his fate. Or so he thought. Though I admit I didn't fully get why he was being the flamboyant, theatrical narrator on-stage at one point and then BAM a loner sitting in space, sans make-up/sanity being a very different kind of a narrator. What was that about?

He's really versatile and Bronson was a good way to show that, Inception was great but his role wasn't meaty enough there.

[Nave 'Torment']

Easily indeed. Like I was saying earlier, he could easily acquire pieces of a tactical army mask with the goggles and the full army mask, put it together that meets protective reinforcement and personalize himself to make it resemble the luchador mask or however it was interpreted in the comics and cartoons

http://media.uxcell.com/uxcell/images/item/catalog/ux_a06090100ux0025_ux_c.jpg

http://www.budgetgadgets.com/asp2/images/Army%20of%20Two%20Mask%20bk.JPG

The first two remind me of Green Gobli... 'Harry Osborn'... and I dunno, the second one is cool, has a Hannibal Lecter feel to it but I just don't buy this. Chalk it up to aesthetics or just plain ol preferences. It can be done, but more alterations are needed.

[Laderlappen]

Cant he just wear a skull mask like in the comics? Black Mask is not like Mr. Freeze and there doesnt have to be any major chances for him to fit Nolan's Batman world.

[Nave 'Torment']

While it's a bit early for him, Bane really shouldn't be difficult to design.

He can pretty much wear anything. I can easily see Bane wearing a suit or a trenchcoat, and if there's a moment where he needs to look classic, pants, boots, a black sleeveless number, and a mask with a semi skull insignia on it would be fine. It'd be an intimidation thing, not for diguise. I wouldn't have him wear gloves, though. He'd want people to know who he was.

I kind of...kind of like this:

http://www.figurerealm.com/Customs/17000/16581-3.jpg

Venom wouldn't have to be a tube, it could just be an injection or a pill or something.

If Bane was ever used, I'd love to see elements of the VENOM storyline where Batman uses the Venom to give him an edge in his war and has to break his addiction to it.

Hmm, good post. I can't imagine Bane in TDKR without at least some connection to Denny's VENOM story, or Knightfall, breaking Batman's back, for that matter. It isn't necessarily too early, Bruce could have his back broken now and still manage to pull off the arc. But doing that essentially means a re-do of the character (Bruce not Bane), something that would feel redundant at this point.

But I have to disagree with the pic, the only thing I like about it is the mask/tube and even that is too heavy on Spawn.

[Majik1387]

Cant he just wear a skull mask like in the comics? Black Mask is not like Mr. Freeze and there doesnt have to be any major chances for him to fit Nolan's Batman world.
I much prefer the coffin wood mask over the boring skull mask.

[Nave 'Torment']

Cant he just wear a skull mask like in the comics? Black Mask is not like Mr. Freeze and there doesnt have to be any major chances for him to fit Nolan's Batman world.

I think the mask was for Bane here not Black Mask. But here's the thing, why does Black Mask need a skull mask anyway? That wasn't how it was when they created the character way back when. I love the idea of his false-face society fighting the (corrupted) sons of the bat in TDKR. But Black Mask could be ONE of the villains, not the ONLY ONE.

[Laderlappen]

I think the mask was for Bane here not Black Mask. But here's the thing, why does Black Mask need a skull mask anyway? That wasn't how it was when they created the character way back when. I love the idea of his false-face society fighting the (corrupted) sons of the bat in TDKR. But Black Mask could be ONE of the villains, not the ONLY ONE.I have a little cold today and Im a bit tired. I read Bane's Mask as Black Mask. :woot: Fuggedaboutit.

[Nave 'Torment']

No worries :) Get better, it's a cold world today on my end too!

[TheFuture]

Just a little tidbit but Hardy won The Sun's best actor gong today. It was a pretty embarassing decision because they solely based it on Inception but all the same, it just goes to show that Hardy's star is quickly rising.

[ChrisB]

New Tom Hardy video interview, he says he's "not sure" who he's playing in The Dark Knight Rises:
http://batman-news.com/2010/12/24/tom-hardy-not-sure-who-hes-playing-in-the-dark-knight-rises/

[TheBatman072]

Oh Jesus. That's infuriating.

Just tell us already.

[Golgo-13]

Thats' B.S. Why would he accept the role in a movie then? He must either have a hell of a lot of trust in Nolan, knows that no matter who he's playing the fact that he's in TDKR will boost his career, or he's a damn liar!

[kvz5]

I think Deadline (or some other press) said that Hardy accepted the role without having read the script or knowing what the part is so it's possible that he really doesn't know especially since it doesn't look like any of the actors got the script yet.

[Boom]

Thats' B.S. Why would he accept the role in a movie then? He must either have a hell of a lot of trust in Nolan, knows that no matter who he's playing the fact that he's in TDKR will boost his career, or he's a damn liar!
- Six-or-seven-figure salary.
- Christopher Nolan.
- Billion-dollar franchise.

[Happy Jack]

I guess that confirms that Hardy took the role basically blind.

[Ajendo]

How many of you would turn down the chance to star in a nolan-directed batman movie.

[TheBatman072]

Just goes to show how much he trusts Nolan.

And I really don't think Nolan will let him down by way of giving him a small role. Like Bullock or Cort or whoever similar would be.

I think, and this is based on nothing, that he's playing a villain. Maybe not THE villain, but a villain nonetheless. And one we haven't seen before.

[Gianakin_]

Thats' B.S. Why would he accept the role in a movie then? He must either have a hell of a lot of trust in Nolan, knows that no matter who he's playing the fact that he's in TDKR will boost his career, or he's a damn liar!

Kilmer accepted the role in BF without reading the script or knowing anything about the flick. Sometimes they just want to be part of something big and, allegedly, good.

[DCnightwing23]

Maybe Hardy doesnt know who he's playing just yet? Remember Bale stated in a mtv interview like a month ago "you'd be surprised by how little i know". Nolan likes to keep things to himself. Im really curious as to who he's playing from riddler, to hudo strange to even killer croc which is the least likely. Its just a testament to Hardy's range and acting chops he's a great addition to this movie.

[Golgo-13]

Nolan already confirmed that the Riddler isn't in TDKR.

[DCnightwing23]

I was merely stating the villians everyone has been stated he is supposedly going to be. People have said Riddler, Black Mask, Deadshot, Hugo Strange, and surprisingly Killer Croc. So it really just goes to show that he has talent and a wide range of acting chops and could pull off any of those characters (even croc) brilliantly.

[craigdbfan]

Nolan already confirmed that the Riddler isn't in TDKR.

Maybe that is the first riddle?

Who I'm I kidding it isn't.

[Micah12345]

I'm hoping it really is the riddler, and he was just lying. He has no obligation to tell the truth. It would be stupid of him to deny the villains he's been asked so far, and then say 'no comment' if someone asks him if hugo strange is the villain.

[Laderlappen]

An actor doesnt sign on for a movie without knowing the part. There is no reason and it doesnt make sense to do that. If Hardy really doesnt know the part then he isnt cast, he's just in negotiation.

[rashad]

People are reading into this way too much. Nolan most likely just gave him a few notes without going into much detail. Tom Hardy is cast. That much is confirmed. The actors won't receive the script until early next year.

[Majik1387]

An actor doesnt sign on for a movie without knowing the part. There is no reason and it doesnt make sense to do that.
They do it all the time if they have a good relationship with the production team.

[DCRanger]

How many of you would turn down the chance to star in a nolan-directed batman movie.

Exactly.
Your reply... really should end all discussion on this matter. If not, then I think some people really just want to argue with themselves.
:yay:

Anyone with a brain would sign up to star in a Nolan-directed Batman movie. JMO.

[buff17]

Ive said it once and I was the first to mention in this thread, but I think he's playing the Joker. The last time Nolan was asked he did not say that the Joker won't be in the film, only that they wouldn't reuse footage of Heath.

In that interview, when Hardy smiles all I can think of is the Joker. And my prediction is that if the Joker being in the film, we would not find out until the first full trailer. I think Nolan is following through with his original intentions and why wouldn't he? He has a plan.

[Smit84]

I'm really starting to believe Hardy will be a made up character. I think he will be an antagonist but maybe not much of a "bad" guy.

[Micah12345]

Ive said it once and I was the first to mention in this thread, but I think he's playing the Joker. The last time Nolan was asked he did not say that the Joker won't be in the film, only that they wouldn't reuse footage of Heath.

In that interview, when Hardy smiles all I can think of is the Joker. And my prediction is that if the Joker being in the film, we would not find out until the first full trailer. I think Nolan is following through with his original intentions and why wouldn't he? He has a plan.

No.

[Majik1387]

Ive said it once and I was the first to mention in this thread, but I think he's playing the Joker. The last time Nolan was asked he did not say that the Joker won't be in the film, only that they wouldn't reuse footage of Heath.
Nolan has flat out said no Joker

"No," he said when asked if he'd revisit the character, played famously by the late Heath Ledger in Nolan's "Batman" films. Asked to elaborate on his reasons, Nolan refused: "I just don't feel comfortable about it."
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/06/04/christopher-nolan-superman-joker-batman-3/

"No," Jonathan Nolan tells Empire Magazine when asked if the Joker will appear in Nolan's third "Batman" movie.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45362

"For me, Heath [Ledger] was the definitive Joker," Nolan said. "It wouldn't feel appropriate to readdress that character."
http://www.salon.com/news/trending/2010/07/12/nolan_no_joker_riddler


You can feel free to have a prediction, but it's clearly been stated by both Nolan's that there will be no Joker in TDKR

[B@tfan2289]

How many of you would turn down the chance to star in a nolan-directed batman movie.

I'm in :woot:!....Very good point....

[Laderlappen]

Exactly.
Your reply... really should end all discussion on this matter. If not, then I think some people really just want to argue with themselves.
:yay:

Anyone with a brain would sign up to star in a Nolan-directed Batman movie. JMO.^This is the kind of fanboying thats really really annoying.

The point is it doesnt make sense from both the actor's and director's point of view to get cast without knowing the character. There's no reason the actor shouldnt know, and there's no reason the director wouldnt tell him.

[Majik1387]

^This is the kind of fanboying thats really really annoying.

The point is it doesnt make sense from both the actor's and director's point of view to get cast without knowing the character. There's no reason the actor shouldnt know, and there's no reason the director wouldnt tell him.
It doesn't have to make sense to us, director and actors would have their reasons for casting/taking a role blind to what it is, not quite sure whats wrong with doing so.

[JAK®]

Nolan has flat out said no Joker

"No," he said when asked if he'd revisit the character, played famously by the late Heath Ledger in Nolan's "Batman" films. Asked to elaborate on his reasons, Nolan refused: "I just don't feel comfortable about it."
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/06/04/christopher-nolan-superman-joker-batman-3/

"No," Jonathan Nolan tells Empire Magazine when asked if the Joker will appear in Nolan's third "Batman" movie.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45362

"For me, Heath [Ledger] was the definitive Joker," Nolan said. "It wouldn't feel appropriate to readdress that character."
http://www.salon.com/news/trending/2010/07/12/nolan_no_joker_riddler


You can feel free to have a prediction, but it's clearly been stated by both Nolan's that there will be no Joker in TDKR
Man, the next actor to play the Joker in a future franchise will have so much pressure on him. Not only was Ledger's performance amazing, but he died with the role. I don't think anyone can beat that.

[Majik1387]

I do. While his performance was note worthy, I didn't find it so amazing that no one else can do it just as good if not better.

[DCRanger]

^This is the kind of fanboying thats really really annoying.

The point is it doesnt make sense from both the actor's and director's point of view to get cast without knowing the character. There's no reason the actor shouldnt know, and there's no reason the director wouldnt tell him.

To each their own. Annoyance is an individual's perception.
My annoyance lies with people beating a dead horse.

You are right that it doesn't make sense from both the actor's and director's point of view.

Personally, I believe Hardy knows who he is playing and I believe Nolan and Hardy made the agreement that Hardy should say nothing or pretend he doesn't know who he is playing yet... but I certainly wouldn't rule out Hardy signing on - not knowing - due to the success of the first two Nolan movies.

At the end of the day, we all get a little annoyed with someone else's thoughts, beliefs or logic. I don't take it personally.

I just wish we had some new tidbit of info re: Hardy or another actor or actress signed on... then the topic of discussion could move forward.

[JAK®]

I do. While his performance was note worthy, I didn't find it so amazing that no one else can do it just as good if not better.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I would never say anything as stupid as that. I'm just saying, Ledger not only put in a great performance, but his death made it legendary, so the next actor will have a lot of pressure put on him.

[Silent Bob]

Looking over all the speculation, I thought I would throw mine in. How about Hardy playing a very young Ras Al Ghul after spending time in a Lazarus Pit after the events of Batman Begins.

[Excelsior.]

Man, the next actor to play the Joker in a future franchise will have so much pressure on him. Not only was Ledger's performance amazing, but he died with the role. I don't think anyone can beat that.As long as its a different interpretation and sufficient time has passed the next actor will be fine.

[LAOCH]

I'll admit - I haven't seen much of Hardy's work, but I was very impressed with him in Inception and I'm looking forward to finding out what his role is in TDKR. Personally, I'm hoping that he'll be Hugo Strange, but I'm open to other possibilities. Whether it's an already-established character from the Batman universe or a character created just for the film, there's a number of characters that Hardy could do well in.

Looking over all the speculation, I thought I would throw mine in. How about Hardy playing a very young Ras Al Ghul after spending time in a Lazarus Pit after the events of Batman Begins.

Interesting theory, but considering the heightened reality of the Nolan Batman films, I don't think a resurrection is likely. I mean no offense and it's a creative idea, but I just don't think anything like that would happen.

[protoctista]

^This is the kind of fanboying thats really really annoying.

The point is it doesnt make sense from both the actor's and director's point of view to get cast without knowing the character. There's no reason the actor shouldnt know, and there's no reason the director wouldnt tell him.


I think that's a bit strong really...

It all comes down to whether or not you believe that Tom Hardy is lying in the interview. None of us are in a position to judge whether or not he's telling the truth, so there's no need to get aggressive over this.


The way I see it, there's no reason not to believe him. Regarding these films (Nolan's batman films) - we've experienced secrecy in the past, but never outright lying. What we don't know, we tend to just not know - rather than be left labouring under a delusion. As has been stated before, actors REGULARLY accept a role in a film without reading the script or having a clue what their full commitment is (beside months required/rough pay decisions) - ESPECIALLY if the film concerned is a large franchise that is already well established. I remember reading that Chow Yun Fat had no idea what role he'd have in Pirates of the Caribbean, and I know for a fact that Naomie Harris was in the same position because she told me so herself.

Remember as well that he's just worked with Nolan on the biggest original film (ignoring Avatar) since the Matrix. If the director says; "I want you for Batman 3, shooting around about this time, are you in?" - I think I'd hurry to sign on the dotted line, wouldn't you?

Remember none of the other actors have received their scripts yet either. This is all standard practice.



HOWEVER. If he truly has no idea who he's going to play, I'm going to suggest, based on that knowledge, that he's not playing a major villain. If he genuinely has no idea what role he's playing - it's surely more likely to be a minor character - like a 'Harvey Bullock'/'Rachel Dawes' level character. Remember that Nolan approached Heath Ledger in specific conversation about the Joker. I think major roles like a significant villain would require more information being given to the actor for the sake of deciding if they're a good fit for the part/if they have ideas they can bring to the table.

Perhaps he really is just playing a small supporting role. This could be why big casting announcements are taking longer to come to us??

I think some people are finding it difficult to believe that Hardy doesn't know what role he's playing because they have spent the last few weeks believing he'll play a big villain role - and can't fit the two ideas together.






Again, mostly speculation.

After all, he could be lying. I just don't see why he would. Chris Evans didn't bother lying when it came to Captain America, nor have any other actor I've ever known to be in the process of casting gossip.

[Majik1387]

I wanna see what aspiring actors here would turn down a shot at being in a Nolan movie; hell, let's include Spielberg or Fincher movies too.

You'd know it was a decent sized role at least but you won't be able to know what it is.
Why would you pass up that amazing opportunity at all? You wouldn't.

[Boom]

"I'm Christopher Nolan, and I want you in the sequel to the third-highest-grossing movie of all time. It's a decent-sized role, pays six figures, and will open more doors for you in the future. But you don't get to know what the role is yet."

"No thanks. I need to know what the role is before I take it."

:dry:

[Laderlappen]

You guys are not getting the point. There's no reason why Nolan wouldnt tell what part he is offering. "hey Im Chris Nolan. Im offering you a part of a film. I wont tell you what you're playing because laa-dee-dah" :dry:I think that's a bit strong really...

It all comes down to whether or not you believe that Tom Hardy is lying in the interview. None of us are in a position to judge whether or not he's telling the truth, so there's no need to get aggressive over this.

The comment was at the 'Anyone with a brain' comment. He's saying if you turn down a Nolan Batman movie, you're an idiot. You cant get more fanboy than that.

[protoctista]

^^ my apologies... that is pretty 'fanboy'.

[DarKJediKnight]

"hey Im Chris Nolan. Im offering you a part of a film. I wont tell you what you're playing because laa-dee-dah" :dry:

Oh, goood, for you!

[Jokers_Wild]

It just seems weird to me that Nolan wouldn't tell an actor any of the basics before asking them to be in his movie. We know he didn't do that with Ledger. Maybe the fact that he told Hardy it was a 'substantial' role was enough for him. Still, would've been nice if he could've specified good-guy or bad-guy. Makes me think Hardy is a secondary villain...the main villain's actor will be a surprise to us come early 2011.

[TheScarecrow]

Hardy never said Nolan never told him, he said he's not really sure.

Michael Caine still refers to his character as "the butler" and on his website says that he played "Albert" in Batman Begins. Nolan could have said (for example) "Do you want to play Sgt. Max Cort in my loose adaption of Batman: Prey" and Hardy would have said "Who?" and Nolan would have said "a badass cop who becomes a vigilante due to manipulation by an evil doctor" and Hardy might have said "sure thing".

I do believe that no one has read the script, seems pointless for Hardy to know that much about who he's playing without even having a script to start planning for the role. It's not his first time working with Nolan, and I'm sure they managed to build some kind of relationship and trust where it's conceivable that Hardy would sign on just because Nolan wants him.

Hell, it could be something as simple as:
Hardy: "Do you have a role for me in Batman by any chance?".
Nolan: "Actually I do, you can have it if you want".
Hardy: "Sure thing".

I wouldn't expect someone like Weisz, Hathaway, Portman etc. or any of the rumoured actresses to sign on without seeing a script - but lets face it, Hardy's still a nobody in the grand scheme of things and getting his mug in a Batman film can only have benefits for him. He's not in a position where he's getting offered the types of movies where he can be picky about Chris Nolan offering him a guaranteed hit. Mad Max doesn't count, because it hasn't actually happened yet.

[DCRanger]

You guys are not getting the point. There's no reason why Nolan wouldnt tell what part he is offering. "hey Im Chris Nolan. Im offering you a part of a film. I wont tell you what you're playing because laa-dee-dah" :dry:The comment was at the 'Anyone with a brain' comment. He's saying if you turn down a Nolan Batman movie, you're an idiot. You cant get more fanboy than that.

Perhaps we should all run our vocabulary and opinions through you... first? Apparently, you feel the need to label me - after my reply.

I've never been labeled "fanboy" before... but that's not really the worst name that someone can be called. Most of my replies are just sarcastic and are not to be taken so seriously.

I thought this was a fun place for people to share their opinions. A few people really take away the fun by being so serious via rude or snide comments/labels.

:yay:

[childeroland]

If Hardy isn't conversant in the Bat-universe, maybe he only knows the very basics of his character but hasn't started really developing him yet--hence he can be somewhat evasive with his 'I'm not sure' response.

[KalMart]

Maybe he'll be the new D.A., since Gotham is currently without one as well as an assistant.

[Doc Samson]

Whatever happened to being coy? I know what Nolan says publicly, but I also know how he feels about the fleeting image of "movie magic" and conversely, it's why he doesn't usually do a whole lot of bonus material for his movies home releases, in particular when it comes to personal commentary on his process or behind the scenes stuff with his actors. So I don't think it's out of the question for him to be a little anal when it comes to releasing information.

Look, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but in my view, I hardly believe the fact that Nolan ended BB & TDK the way he did without some sort of idea where he would go next if he chose to do a sequel. I'm pretty sure he knew for a while the basic outline of where he wanted to go and I'm also willing to bet that he told Hardy exactly who he's playing. Now whether Tom is versed in said character or not is a whole other conversation.

[Micah12345]

Javier Bardem is the best choice tbqh.

[Chiroptera]

:lips:............................................ ..

yah sure :yay:

[baleheadbrasil]

Bane :huh:

Oh no. :doh:

[RustyCage]

Bane :huh:

Oh no. :doh:

Can you enter ONE casting thread without blatantly trolling the character for not being Talia? :dry:

[DIRECTOR]

who says Bane is in the movie?

[lililatigresse]

If Bane is in the movie, it's so Tom Hardy.

[Eddie Dean]

Danny Trejo

[ScarecrowMan666]

Javier Bardem is the best choice tbqh.

I agree...him or Hardy...then again Hardy could be playing Strange...

[RustyCage]

Hardy's so versatile that he could be literally anyone. :funny:

[Caped Crusader]

I really don't see Bane in TDKR

[Caped Crusader]

I really don't see Bane in TDKR

[Solidus]

I still think it will be Hardy. Yes Bronson shows how big he can get, but I would figure he may have to do even more, but he could fit the role perfectly.

[Solidus]

Lag lag lag. DP

[baleheadbrasil]

Can you enter ONE casting thread without blatantly trolling the character for not being Talia? :dry:

:whatever:

And Hardy as Bane would be ridiculous.
A really big actor would be better. :D
Sorry but I can´t see him as Bane.
Much less as Strange,as the friend said above.

[Bat-Mite]

I can't see Nolan being the least bit interested in Bane.

[Micah12345]

Whether it's as one of hugo strange's monster men, a mercenary hired by someone in gotham, or as a member of the league of shadows, there are a myriad of ways bane could fit into this movie, and he would be refreshing compared to the type of villains nolan has used already.

[Figs]

Whether it's as one of hugo strange's monster men, a mercenary hired by someone in gotham, or as a member of the league of shadows, there are a myriad of ways bane could fit into this movie, and he would be refreshing compared to the type of villains nolan has used already.

Agreed.

I really want to see a physical thread for Batman, that way Nolan might have to actually shoot better fighting scenes since Bane most likely won't be using ninja like martial arts...hopefully. I want to see Batman get thrown around a bit.

[Dark Knight]

Tom Hardy or a bulked up Javier Bardem FTW!

[MessiahDecoy123]

The big spanish looking dude in The Longest Yard remake with Javier Bardem's voice dubbed over.

[mrbrownie]

Danny Trejo

EFFING A!
First thing I'm doing when I get home, manipping BANE Trejo!

[EliteF50]

Dwayne Johnson!

http://i28.tinypic.com/16lbgc5.png

Danny Trejo would be cool, too.

[Doctor Who]

I can't see Nolan being the least bit interested in Bane.

Really? Now why is that?

In Knightfall Bane was one of the only villains who managed to defeat Batman to the primal state of Bruce Wayne unable of being Batman anymore. He is a true mastermind who can meet his match physically and intellectually, and has the same amount of intergrity of actually getting to him; for that short time a decent comparrison can be made of having enough blood in for Batman as much as Green Goblin does for Spiderman.

Bane has been slandered over the years and has been treated as a second rate villain ever since the release of Batman & Robin. Nolan can pick any villain at this stage and I would be completely happy with his decision, but I think a severe steroid like-addicted monster who's good at defacing the Batman along with distroying the city by breaking loose every cook in Arkham into Gotham again is a serious contender for a main villain.

And for what it's worth, Tom Hardy is a gifted actor who could pull that sort of role off very well; not just in getting in shape for the role, but has the right look, mindset, and feel of the character. There's something with his diversity in voices too that I know he can come up with and make an intimidating sounding Bane as well. :word:

[Conebone69]

Yeah, like others said I cant see Nolan being interested in Bane

[Mister Meddle]

Tom Hardy as Bane? Awesome! I'd love to see a Bane that is actually smaller in height and mass than Batman. He'll definitely look like a legit threat.

Leave Bane out of the film. Christian Bale has a lot of mass packed on when playing Batman so it's very difficult to find an actor that is massive enough to look like a Bane when standing next to Batman.... unless Nolan decides to put him on the juice.

[Bat-Mite]

Really? Now why is that?For the very reasons you give here:
In Knightfall Bane was one of the only villains who managed to defeat Batman to the primal state of Bruce Wayne unable of being Batman anymore. He is a true mastermind who can meet his match physically and intellectually, and has the same amount of intergrity of actually getting to him; for that short time a decent comparrison can be made of having enough blood in for Batman as much as Green Goblin does for Spiderman.

... I think a severe steroid like-addicted monster who's good at defacing the Batman along with distroying the city by breaking loose every cook in Arkham into Gotham again is a serious contender for a main villain.It sounds a lot like a movie that's all about being just as intense as TDK if not more so. Based on what he's said so far, I think Nolan is going to want to tone things down a bit and bring the focus back onto Batman. When TDK came out, we found out that at least some of those criminals who escaped in the first movie ended up working for the Joker. What will become of them in this film? Nolan won't be able to just leave them out there to be dealt with in the next film like he did with Begins. Batman would have to have them all dealt with (or at least, the majority) by the end of the movie, in addition to taking Bane on. That doesn't leave much time for anything else.“Without getting into specifics, the key thing that makes the third film a great possibility for us is that we want to finish our story. And in viewing it as the finishing of a story rather than infinitely blowing up the balloon and expanding the story.”This quote is why I don't think a lot of these ideas being tossed around for Bane would work well within the context of the film. They're very busy and Bane-centric, with little room for other villains and storylines. I can't see Nolan devoting that much time to one villain. If he were going to do so, he'd probably have done it with the Joker.
Bane has been slandered over the years and has been treated as a second rate villain ever since the release of Batman & Robin. One does not need B&R as an excuse to find Bane underwhelming, or to think that he might not be a right fit in a movie that's meant to wrap things up. B&R trampled Ivy, Robin, Freeze, and Batgirl also, but I still wouldn't mind seeing a serious depiction of any of those characters in a future batfilm.
And for what it's worth, Tom Hardy is a gifted actor who could pull that sort of role off very well; not just in getting in shape for the role, but has the right look, mindset, and feel of the character. There's something with his diversity in voices too that I know he can come up with and make an intimidating sounding Bane as well. :word:Agreed, but all of this makes him just as fitting for Hugo Strange, who, IMO, has quite a bit more depth to his motivation to take on Batman than Bane does.

[The Joker]

Has this thread sprung up because of BOF?

[Alonsovich]

You guys do know that what Jett implied was Bane AND Hugo Strange, right?

[RustyCage]

:whatever:

And Hardy as Bane would be ridiculous.
A really big actor would be better. :D
Sorry but I can´t see him as Bane.
Much less as Strange,as the friend said above.

Thank you for going into some detail instead of just going 'This is stupid'. :oldrazz:

However, the only reasoning you provided is 'a really big actor would be better'. Hardy can get big. Unless you mean a 9 foot tall guy.

[Doctor Who]

You guys do know that what Jett implied was Bane AND Hugo Strange, right?

Jett always implies; he hasn't been close to getting one straight fact on any movie yet. I just hope for Strange or Bane though. :word:

[Mister Meddle]

Thank you for going into some detail instead of just going 'This is stupid'. :oldrazz:

However, the only reasoning you provided is 'a really big actor would be better'. Hardy can get big. Unless you mean a 9 foot tall guy.

Hardy can't get big. It's genetically impossible for someone to turn into an Arnold Schwarzenegger over night. It literally takes decades just to reach your genetic peak - unless you're on anabolic steroids. There is no possible way Tom Hardy will have a larger physique than Christian Bale for the next film. It would look unbelievably silly for Bane to be shorter and have smaller arms than Batman. It would pretty much defeat the purpose of the character in general. The only way the character could work is if they decide to put a bodysuit on Hardy and make the illusion that he's five inches taller than he actually is.

[Doctor Who]

For the very reasons you give here:
It sounds a lot like a movie that's all about being just as intense as TDK if not more so. Based on what he's said so far, I think Nolan is going to want to tone things down a bit and bring the focus back onto Batman. When TDK came out, we found out that at least some of those criminals who escaped in the first movie ended up working for the Joker. What will become of them in this film? Nolan won't be able to just leave them out there to be dealt with in the next film like he did with Begins. Batman would have to have them all dealt with (or at least, the majority) by the end of the movie, in addition to taking Bane on. That doesn't leave much time for anything else.This quote is why I don't think a lot of these ideas being tossed around for Bane would work well within the context of the film. They're very busy and Bane-centric, with little room for other villains and storylines. I can't see Nolan devoting that much time to one villain. If he were going to do so, he'd probably have done it with the Joker.
One does not need B&R as an excuse to find Bane underwhelming, or to think that he might not be a right fit in a movie that's meant to wrap things up. B&R trampled Ivy, Robin, Freeze, and Batgirl also, but I still wouldn't mind seeing a serious depiction of any of those characters in a future batfilm.Agreed, but all of this makes him just as fitting for Hugo Strange, who, IMO, has quite a bit more depth to his motivation to take on Batman than Bane does.

Well obviously he'll want this to make it more on Batman now; if this is a trilogy like everyone is saying, it's the only decent way to wrap it up. Some of, if not all, Arkham inmates escaped the island and were taken into custody; whether or not if he was able to get them all, we'll never truly know until classified, which is a very fair point. However, I don't believe someone like Bane would overpower the story; in BB Batman took on Carmine Falcone and his mob, Scarecrow, 1/3 of Arkham inmates, and Ra's Al Ghul, as well as in TDK having him take on the Joker, the mob, and Two-Face at the end too. So if you're thinking in terms of it all being just Bane, I don't think it would be too overpowering, if done properly. :word: I won't go into how Nolan could chuck both Bane and Strange though in the same film, just to break some sensible ground. LOL

[baleheadbrasil]

Thank you for going into some detail instead of just going 'This is stupid'. :oldrazz:

However, the only reasoning you provided is 'a really big actor would be better'. Hardy can get big. Unless you mean a 9 foot tall guy.

I know he can, but I think he would be weird. :woot:
Better a guy naturally big hehe

[MisterStrange]

Gotta love this design!
Credit goes to JL.Alfaro of ConceptArt.org
His awesome concept was entered in a Batman Rogue's art contest.

http://www.alfarographics.com/img/Chow120_JLAlfaro_Bane.jpg

What do you think? Would you like to see Bane appear this way in Nolan's Bat-verse, provided with a solid background and motivation; that is if he plays out to be an acutual villain, instead of a mindless drugged-up henchmen.

[Solidus]

I've been saying Bane for some time now, and I do like that artwork, pretty cool. :up:

[MisterStrange]

I've been saying Bane for some time now, and I do like that artwork, pretty cool. :up:

I've always thought that Bane has had strong potential in Nolan's films.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

A wife-beater? Ewww...

[MisterStrange]

A wife-beater? Ewww...

I admit, that is the only thing I don't like about the design. Anyways, I always imagined Bane fighting without his shirt on.

[Mister Meddle]

I like the idea of Bane BUT the only problem will be finding someone with a physical appearance that relates to Bane. Christian Bale is already pretty jacked so it'll be tough to find someone that will look physical superior to the Batman.

By the way, that image of Bane is awesome.

[MisterStrange]

I like the idea of Bane BUT the only problem will be finding someone with a physical appearance that relates to Bane. Christian Bale is already pretty jacked so it'll be tough to find someone that will look physical superior to the Batman.

By the way, that image of Bane is awesome.

I agree 100%
The problem with Bane fitting into Nolan's Bat-verse is not a matter of tweaking or adjusting fragments of the character to fit the more realistic sense of the films, but finding an actor capable of posing a superior physical appearance to Bale. Bane's character does not need much adjustment at all to fit into Nolan's Gotham comfortably.

[Mister Meddle]

I agree 100%
The problem with Bane fitting into Nolan's Bat-verse is not a matter of tweaking or adjusting fragments of the character to fit the more realistic sense of the films, but finding an actor capable of posing a superior physical appearance to Bale. Bane's character does not need much adjustment at all to fit into Nolan's Gotham comfortably.

Definitely. If this were the 1980's then it would be easy to suggest someone like Lou Ferringo or Arnold Schwarzenegger (let's forget about his role as Mr. Freeze for a second lol) but the problem is it's genetically impossible for a human being to grow such a massive physical appearance without the use of drugs. I don't know what they're capable of in Hollywood so who knows? Maybe they can create a bodysuit with fake muscles that will flex with the body movements? If Nolan decides to include Bane in the film I'm sure he can figure out a way to make the character fit in some how.

[MisterStrange]

Definitely. If this were the 1980's then it would be easy to suggest someone like Lou Ferringo or Arnold Schwarzenegger (let's forget about his role as Mr. Freeze for a second lol) but the problem is it's genetically impossible for a human being to grow such a massive physical appearance without the use of drugs. I don't know what they're capable of in Hollywood so who knows? Maybe they can create a bodysuit with fake muscles that will flex with the body movements? If Nolan decides to include Bane in the film I'm sure he can figure out a way to make the character fit in some how.

Yeah, at this point, I've come to fully trust Nolan on any decision he makes for his Batman series. And I'm really starting to hope that he somehow includes Bane.

[PreK]

I like the idea of Bane BUT the only problem will be finding someone with a physical appearance that relates to Bane. Christian Bale is already pretty jacked so it'll be tough to find someone that will look physical superior to the Batman.

By the way, that image of Bane is awesome.

I agree 100%
The problem with Bane fitting into Nolan's Bat-verse is not a matter of tweaking or adjusting fragments of the character to fit the more realistic sense of the films, but finding an actor capable of posing a superior physical appearance to Bale. Bane's character does not need much adjustment at all to fit into Nolan's Gotham comfortably.
Hemsworth/Thor
Evans/Captain America
Reynolds/GL
Jackman/Wolverine

All physically superior to Bale as of TDK.

[Mister Meddle]

Hemsworth/Thor
Evans/Captain America
Reynolds/GL
Jackman/Wolverine

All physically superior to Bale as of TDK.

They all look about the same size as Christian Bale when he plays Batman/Bruce Wayne, especially when he has the suit on, which makes him look larger than he actually is.

http://www.myfittribe.com/files/images/Christian%20Bale%20The%20Dark%20Knight.jpg

[Boom]

Hemsworth got ****ing jacked.

http://www.shoppingblog.com/pics/chris_hemsworth_thor_with_hammer.jpg

I believe it took him six months, but don't quote me on that.

[MisterStrange]

Hemsworth/Thor
Evans/Captain America
Reynolds/GL
Jackman/Wolverine

All physically superior to Bale as of TDK.

Yes there are numerous actors out there physically superior to Bale, but not many who pose a massive physical superiority to Bale, such as Bane is to Batman in the comics.

[Mister Meddle]

By the way, the only person I can think of is that Arnold look-alike in Terminator Salvation (he had a CGI of Arnold's face on his body in the film). I don't know much about his acting resume though.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MwnH1kpbPRM/SIQta1vQBfI/AAAAAAAABvk/60Z6rMwMUtI/s400/rolandkickinger.jpg

[PreK]

They all look about the same size, if not then smaller, than Christian Bale when he plays Batman/Bruce Wayne, especially when he has the suit on, which makes him look larger than he actually is.

http://www.myfittribe.com/files/images/Christian%20Bale%20The%20Dark%20Knight.jpg
Bale was only this size for a very small portion of the series. The scenes taking place in Asia were shot first, at the time that Bale got to a very large build. Nolan told Bale to slim it down for the rest of the shoot, which is why he's noticeably thinner for the remaining portions of BB (compare the above to the push-up scene). I believe in TDK he was encouraged to maintain the slimmer size. It's quite clear that his superhero successors have far surpassed him as far as muscle and tone are concerned. However I'd really love it if Bale went back to his American Psycho/Equilibrium days. A much more suiting looking for Bats.

Yes there are numerous actors out there physically superior to Bale, but not many who pose a massive physical superiority to Bale, such as Bane is to Batman in the comics.
Ah, I see what you are saying. I would think they'd circumvent this issue by using the aid of special effects and stunt doubles.

[MisterStrange]

Ah, I see what you are saying. I would think they'd circumvent this issue by using the aid of special effects and stunt doubles.

Yeah, that's what I'm say cause there are a select few who pose formidable physical threats against Batman but they are all at least on Batman's level. Bane's level of physical superiority is on a completley different scale. So, yeah, I assume the way to over come this issue is with the help of graphic effects and doubles.

[Mister Meddle]

Bale was only this size for a very small portion of the series. The scenes taking place in Asia were shot first, at the time that Bale got to a very large build. Nolan told Bale to slim it down for the rest of the shoot, which is why he's noticeably thinner for the remaining portions of BB (compare the above to the push-up scene). I believe in TDK he was encouraged to maintain the slimmer size. It's quite clear that his superhero successors have far surpassed him as far as muscle and tone are concerned. However I'd really love it if Bale went back to his American Psycho/Equilibrium days. A much more suiting looking for Bats.

I thought it was before they filmed Batman Begins? The last time I watched the Batman Begins extras was four or five years ago but I thought Christian Bale said he had to decrease his body fat [because he couldn't fit in the suit] before filming? But I agree. His physique in American Psycho better suits a Batman, even if he isn't 210 pounds. Sometimes too much muscle can slow someone down, which is why it's a better idea to have a somewhat slim Batman/Bruce Wayne.

[alexdunn]

Hardy can't get big. It's genetically impossible for someone to turn into an Arnold Schwarzenegger over night. It literally takes decades just to reach your genetic peak - unless you're on anabolic steroids. There is no possible way Tom Hardy will have a larger physique than Christian Bale for the next film. It would look unbelievably silly for Bane to be shorter and have smaller arms than Batman. It would pretty much defeat the purpose of the character in general. The only way the character could work is if they decide to put a bodysuit on Hardy and make the illusion that he's five inches taller than he actually is.


He'll be as big as he can get and the venom can be done through CGI.

[RustyCage]

However I'd really love it if Bale went back to his American Psycho/Equilibrium days. A much more suiting looking for Bats.

Fully agreed. :up:

[ChrisB]

I can't read through 29 pages, but do you guys want to see Bane in TDKR? I set up a poll on Batman-News.com, so far most people have voted "no".
http://batman-news.com/2011/01/09/will-bane-be-in-the-dark-knight-rises/

[DruryWalker]

I can't read through 29 pages, but do you guys want to see Bane in TDKR? I set up a poll on Batman-News.com, so far most people have voted "no".
http://batman-news.com/2011/01/09/will-bane-be-in-the-dark-knight-rises/

Guess I am in the minority, but I'd be pleasantly surprised to see Bane in TDKR. He is one of the few villains who can truly challenge Batman on a physical and intellectual level. His character could go all kinds of places within the right story.

[baleheadbrasil]

I can't read through 29 pages, but do you guys want to see Bane in TDKR? I set up a poll on Batman-News.com, so far most people have voted "no".
http://batman-news.com/2011/01/09/will-bane-be-in-the-dark-knight-rises/

I´m one who voted no.
Despite I wouldn´t mind seeing him in the movie.

[Solidus]

I can't read through 29 pages, but do you guys want to see Bane in TDKR? I set up a poll on Batman-News.com, so far most people have voted "no".
http://batman-news.com/2011/01/09/will-bane-be-in-the-dark-knight-rises/

To be honest because I think some of the people (not saying necessarily here) pretend to read the comics but don't. I think many are just thinking of the B&R dumb lug and saying...No.

Yes there are some that know the comic version and don't care much for him, but many do. I do believe he will be in this, but it will be a hurtle for them marketing wise to get people to understand this is not the B&R dumb lug.

[MisterStrange]

I can't read through 29 pages, but do you guys want to see Bane in TDKR? I set up a poll on Batman-News.com, so far most people have voted "no".
http://batman-news.com/2011/01/09/will-bane-be-in-the-dark-knight-rises/

There is not another villain I want to see more than Bane on the big screen, adapted straight from Knightfall.

[Jokers_Wild]

There is not another villain I want to see more than Bane on the big screen, adapted straight from Knightfall.

Same here. I voted yes to the poll. I would love to see Nolan's take on Bane!

[Darkest-Knight]

I know I do wanna see him in TDKR.

[MechaOrga]

a charming/brutal british bane played by Hardy would be AWESOME.

in my eyes Bane does not have to be latin american nor a steroided out freak to work...

He just needs to be well, the evil version of batman.

He and Hugo strange can have very similar goals in TDNR if used correctly (Bane wants to end batman to take over gotham while strange wants to study and become batman in his nutso mind. hugo can be working for the GCPD with and hires Bane to take down the Bat but doesn't realize Bane has grand ulterior motives of his own)

throw in an ambiguous catwoman who plays both sides but ultimately helps bats in the end, and we could have a roller coaster of a movie.

My only fret with hardy as Bane is his height. I believe he's only 5'9 or so,which wouldn't be a problem until he is face to face with bale which in that case thats what apple boxes are for. ;)

and hardy CAN get big. he doesn't need to be Thor size to do the part justice.
being a nolan move, bane will probably be in a suit for most of the film until he is fighting batman, which then he dons the "bane mask" and in my mind a "sleeveless" Batman type costume.(being a nolan film, i dont think bane will be in a luchador type or wife beater outfit but a swat type suit made for battling the bat)

just my thoughts

;)

[ChrisB]

New paparazzi shots of Tom Hardy -- he shaved his head and is growing a beard.... is this worthy of a post on Batman-News.com for discussion sake, or am I looking way too much into it?

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/330/isopix20207842006.jpg

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7793/isopix20207842012.jpg

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8296/hugostrange1.jpg

[Figs]

Very interesting...

[Paste Pot Pete]

Hmm, maybe.

It's definitely more likely than "OMGZ Bale has teh long hair and beard - VENOM STORY!"

Shaved head with beard is definitely a less common combination. Could be a good sign.

[batsfan81]

Its kinda early on for him doing this isn't it? Filming doesn't begin till spring correct? That being said it definitely is interesting.

[MisterStrange]

a charming/brutal british bane played by Hardy would be AWESOME.

in my eyes Bane does not have to be latin american nor a steroided out freak to work...

He just needs to be well, the evil version of batman.

He and Hugo strange can have very similar goals in TDNR if used correctly (Bane wants to end batman to take over gotham while strange wants to study and become batman in his nutso mind. hugo can be working for the GCPD with and hires Bane to take down the Bat but doesn't realize Bane has grand ulterior motives of his own)

throw in an ambiguous catwoman who plays both sides but ultimately helps bats in the end, and we could have a roller coaster of a movie.

My only fret with hardy as Bane is his height. I believe he's only 5'9 or so,which wouldn't be a problem until he is face to face with bale which in that case thats what apple boxes are for. ;)

and hardy CAN get big. he doesn't need to be Thor size to do the part justice.
being a nolan move, bane will probably be in a suit for most of the film until he is fighting batman, which then he dons the "bane mask" and in my mind a "sleeveless" Batman type costume.(being a nolan film, i dont think bane will be in a luchador type or wife beater outfit but a swat type suit made for battling the bat)

just my thoughts

;)

Nice:woot:
I love the thought of him not being a twacked out mindless henchmen, and him actually having his own motives. But to double cross the infamous Professor Strange? Hmmmmmm lol

I'm currently writing my character thoughts and ideas on how Bane could work in Nolan's Bat-verse. My thoughts on him somewhat mirror yours.

[Laderlappen]

If he would have shaved his head for the role there would be no reason to do it now because its like 4 months the filming starts.

[MisterStrange]

Its kinda early on for him doing this isn't it? Filming doesn't begin till spring correct?

May, I believe. But by now, I would think that it is safe to assume that Hardy in fact knows who he will be playing in TDKR. And if that is indeed the case then he would be prepping for his role starting around this time. And by the looks of it in the pics above, he has only just recently started growing the beard. All speculation of course.

However, this does narrow my list down to four characters that Hardy might be cast as:

Hugo Strange
Sgt. Max Cort?
Bane?
Black Mask
And uhhhmmmm....that's about all.

[MisterStrange]

Its kinda early on for him doing this isn't it? Filming doesn't begin till spring correct?

May, I believe. But by now, I would think that it is safe to assume that Hardy in fact knows who he will be playing in TDKR. And if that is indeed the case then he would be prepping for his role starting around this time. And by the looks of it in the pics above, he has only just recently started growing the beard. All speculation of course.

However, this does narrow my list down to four characters that Hardy might be cast as:

Hugo Strange
Sgt. Max Cort?
Bane?
Black Mask
And uhhhmmmm....that's about all.

EDIT: Come to think about it, yeah, maybe no relation to TDKR at all. Who knows?

[RustyCage]

The comment was at the 'Anyone with a brain' comment. He's saying if you turn down a Nolan Batman movie, you're an idiot. You cant get more fanboy than that.

Not necessarily. He could have simply been saying that Nolan's movies - especially his Batman movies - have been wildly successful and he's become established as a classy, amazing director. People want to be involved with anything he's doing. If not for the brilliant ideas he consistently has, then for the guaranteed fame and success.

The word 'fanboy' really has nothing to do with that.

[MechaOrga]

May, I believe. But by now, I would think that it is safe to assume that Hardy in fact knows who he will be playing in TDKR. And if that is indeed the case then he would be prepping for his role starting around this time. And by the looks of it in the pics above, he has only just recently started growing the beard. All speculation of course.

However, this does narrow my list down to four characters that Hardy might be cast as:

Hugo Strange
Sgt. Max Cort?
Bane?
Black Mask
And uhhhmmmm....that's about all.

EDIT: Come to think about it, yeah, maybe no relation to TDKR at all. Who knows?

i would add Deadshopt to that list. he would KILL the role of deadshot (as long as they redesign that silly costume)

but i think it would be a waste of his talents/rising star to have him NOT play the heavy (bad guy)

[Bat-Mite]

To be honest because I think some of the people (not saying necessarily here) pretend to read the comics but don't. I think many are just thinking of the B&R dumb lug and saying...No.This begs the question as to why there aren't very many people who dislike Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze for the same reason. If anything, Freeze should be one of the most hated villains in Batman's rogue's gallery if so many people make judgments based on that movie, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[RustyCage]

This begs the question as to why there aren't very many people who dislike Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze for the same reason. If anything, Freeze should be one of the most hated villains in Batman's rogue's gallery if so many people make judgments based on that movie, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

They're just more well known in general. For various reasons. The Animated Series featured them far more often/prominently, etc.

[Solidus]

This begs the question as to why there aren't very many people who dislike Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze for the same reason. If anything, Freeze should be one of the most hated villains in Batman's rogue's gallery if so many people make judgments based on that movie, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Exactly what Rusty said. Those characters had a little more known love previously. However honestly when I talk to non-comic readers they hate Poison Ivy, and Freeze the same. But in honesty out of those three they screwed up Bane the worst if that is possible.

Honestly I think most hold all of them in poor regard until a mainstream movie shows their comic book counter parts were way different.

[Doctor Who]

I can't read through 29 pages, but do you guys want to see Bane in TDKR? I set up a poll on Batman-News.com, so far most people have voted "no".
http://batman-news.com/2011/01/09/will-bane-be-in-the-dark-knight-rises/

I voted yes; I don't approve of the concept of him being for hire by the police or by Talia however. Bane to me isn't exactly a pawn; he's a big enough character to be taken far more seriously and be behind everything as the main villain just like Ra's Al Ghul and the Joker.

[Majik1387]

New paparazzi shots of Tom Hardy -- he shaved his head and is growing a beard.... is this worthy of a post on Batman-News.com for discussion sake, or am I looking way too much into it?





He's wearing a hat. You can't say for certain that he shaved his head from these pics.

[Doctor Who]

New paparazzi shots of Tom Hardy -- he shaved his head and is growing a beard.... is this worthy of a post on Batman-News.com for discussion sake, or am I looking way too much into it?

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/330/isopix20207842006.jpg

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7793/isopix20207842012.jpg

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8296/hugostrange1.jpg

Interesting......... either that or he has a little bit of hair inside his hat on the top of his head; which in that perspective, could mean...


http://mindlessones.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bane2.jpg

[Majik1387]

It doesn't mean either. :huh:

When the hell did SHH get all private detective on hair? :huh:

[The Joker]

I swear, between the Spidey forums and here, I'm sick of reading about hair :p

[RustyCage]

Interesting......... either that or he has a little bit of hair inside his hat on the top of his head; which in that perspective, could mean...


http://mindlessones.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bane2.jpg


:funny: Fair point. But then again...

http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/22836/Harvey_Bullock.png

Bullock actually has been depicted with the sides and back of his head shaved (although inconsistently).

[craigdbfan]

It doesn't mean either. :huh:

When the hell did SHH get all private detective on hair? :huh:

Batman inspires.

Going to X-ray the picture to see if he has a lab coat under his clothes.

[Majik1387]

Batman inspires.

Going to X-ray the picture to see if he has a lab coat under his clothes.
Spider-Man inspired first then...

[craigdbfan]

Spider-Man inspired first then...

haha.

Oh my goodness, I think I see Batman's reflection through Hardy's eye glare!

[Bat-Mite]

Bane is one of the rumored villains for the movie.

He uses a drug called VENOM. This can only mean...

Tom Hardy will play Aunt May. :wow:

[Majik1387]

Bane is one of the rumored villains for the movie.

He uses a drug called VENOM. This can only mean...

Tom Hardy will play Aunt May. :wow:
That makes no sense, she was clearly Carnage.:o

[craigdbfan]

Both of you have been deceived. Tom Hardy is playing Aunt May but she'll actually be turning into the one and only...

Spider-Carange

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100227120403/marvelanimated/images/4/43/Spidercarnage.jpg

[Majik1387]

Would be a hell of a lot better than Strange, Bane and Hush. :o

[Octoberist]

Tom Hardy is reportedly starting work on John Hillcoat's 'The Wettest County' (I love that title) this spring. So if anything, he's prepping for that.

With his shaved head look, it's possible that his character in the The Westtest County is either bald, or he's going for that 'two step' George McFly haircut. This movie takes place during the Depression so I wouldn't be surprised.

http://www.slashfilm.com/john-hillco...ouf-tom-hardy/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/john-hillcoats-the-wettest-county-world-shia-labeouf-tom-hardy/)

[Crockett]

It's actually County not Country. ;)

[Octoberist]

Haha. opps, thanks!

[The Joker]

Might be reading a little too much into the hair thing. None of the actors who played the villains so far did anything radical with their hair. Heath even kept his hair long. Eckhart was blond, when Dent has black hair in the comics etc.

[Nevincer]

Might be reading a little too much into the hair thing. None of the actors who played the villains so far did anything radical with their hair. Heath even kept his hair long. Eckhart was blond, when Dent has black hair in the comics etc.
Hmm. That's an interesting point to bring up, but after some thought I have to disagree. That comparison to Eckhart and Heath is a little unfair. Think about it. I know some people may disagree with me here, but I think what makes certain characters like the Joker and Harvey Dent identifable is less so the appearance of their former selves and moreso how they looked after the monstrosities they became.

When you think of the Joker, the essential aesthetics aren't his hair style, but the fact that he's a clown with white skin (or makeup, in this case) and green hair. There have been many artists that have tackled the character, and not all of the designs had short hair either, and I think that illustrates that the Joker's hair lengh is not important when staying faithful to the "look" that makes us identify with that particular villain. Same applies with Harvey Dent. Whilst I believe he had black hair in every depiction in the comics, I think all that's really essential in terms of his look is that he's a young, charming district attorney that later goes on to have his face scarred in half.

Now, am I saying it's essential Strange keeps his look down to nearly every last detail? Well, basically, yes. Because there's not many striking details for that villain to go by. I don't think all characters have to look like they stepped straight out of the comic books, but in Strange's case what sets him apart from the rest of the supporting cast? What makes him eccentric looking? How is he going to stand out from the rest of the GPD besides showing that he's a bit insane? Unlike Eckhart and Ledger, if Hardy really is playing Strange he doesn't have the advantage of "makeup" or "scars" to make him a visually memorable character, he needs to be the bald dude with the beard and the spectacles or nothing about him visually will make you identify him with that character.

Don't misconceive what I'm saying, I'm not saying that "baldness" is unique to Strange, any more than a "moustache" is unique to Gordon, but Gary still fashioned himself after the Year One Gordon because he and the studio knew we would identify the character with that appearance. Same in the case of Zsasz and Ra's Al Ghul for better measure. Those types of characters could have looked nearly unrecognizable from how they were in the comics and still turned in great performances, but at the end of the day I personally don't think it would have felt like he had brought those characters "to life" in any capacity. Not that Zsasz was really brought to life with that tiny bit of screentime, he was just an example of someone who Nolan clearly chose to be portrayed by a bald dude :oldrazz:

But anyway, I guess it doesn't matter when a large majority of the public don't even know who Hugo Strange is, but I think if Hardy's role is important (i.e he's the main villain) and he's not wearing a mask, then he's probably doing something to make sure he doesn't look like Eames. That would be kind of boring, even moreso than if you already find the look of Strange boring. I do think people are reading too much into those photos, in any case.

[Boom]

Might be reading a little too much into the hair thing. None of the actors who played the villains so far did anything radical with their hair. Heath even kept his hair long. Eckhart was blond, when Dent has black hair in the comics etc.
Just because they didn't doesn't mean Tom Hardy won't.

[Caped Crusader]

Can the man take a pee in privacy? :oldrazz:
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/330/isopix20207842006.jpg

[ChrisB]

Can the man take a pee in privacy? :oldrazz:
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/330/isopix20207842006.jpg
Lmao I was thinking the same thing when I saw that picture.

[The Joker]

Just because they didn't doesn't mean Tom Hardy won't.

Ya don't say :dry:

That's why I said we might be reading too much into his haircut based on the four villains we've had so far. Nolan had none of those actors change anything about their appearance for their roles. That's all I'm saying.

[Boom]

Ya don't say :dry:

That's why I said we might be reading too much into his haircut based on the four villains we've had so far. Nolan had none of those actors change anything about their appearance for their roles. That's all I'm saying.
Don't you dare dryface me :dry:.



:awesome:

I agree. It is too early for Hardy to be changing his appearance for TDKR. But again, just because Nolan didn't have those actors change their hairstyles doesn't mean he won't have Hardy do so. Especially if Hardy is playing Hugo Strange, who has always been depicted as being bald and having a beard.

[PreK]

I agree. It is too early for Hardy to be changing his appearance for TDKR. But again, just because Nolan didn't have those actors change their hairstyles doesn't mean he won't have Hardy do so. Especially if Hardy is playing Hugo Strange, who has always been depicted as being bald and having a beard.
FALSE!

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100113182052/marvel_dc/images/9/95/HugoStrangeTB.jpg

[Boom]

I like to pretend that show never happened.

But touche.

[Travesty]

Is that from The Batman?

[Travesty]

Is that from The Batman?

[Happy Jack]

Is that from The Batman?
Yeah, which overall I thought was a good show.

[antsman41]

Yeah, which overall I thought was a good show.

The stories were alright, of course nothing as good as BTAS but still better than all of the ADHD cartoons that are on right now. I just really hated the "art". It was too anime for me...

[Caped Crusader]

I like to pretend that show never happened.

:up:

[Bat-Mite]

I made up my mind not to watch that show as soon as I saw that their Joker looked like a gorilla. :o

[Boom]

Or a meth-addicted clown from Jamaica.

[The Joker]

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc131/Jokerfan1980/Tb_joker.jpg